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Speaker 1 (00:00):
From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is
riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or
learn the stuff they don't want you to know. A
production of I Heart Radios How Stuff Works. Hello, Welcome
(00:25):
back to the show. My name is Matt, my name
is known. Ben is not here. Uh. This is one
of those one of those episodes where Noel and I
are hero in a room and Paul Mission Control Decan
is out there and the three of us are just
missing that corporeal form of Ben, at least the one
that he takes when he's in this room with us.
But he's sort of like a like a conspiracy Santa Claus. Well,
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Santa Claus is, after all, the biggest conspiracy of all.
We've learned that one perpetrated on children from the earliest days,
and it's one that teaches them how to not trust.
That's correct. But he's also a spirit that exists beyond
the corporeal form, as is Ben Bowling. That's right. And
you know, as we've discussed many a time, been Uh
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touches us all. He's definitely touched me through the void.
Ben touch us all, but he's not here. But he's
on adventures. So today what we're doing is we're connecting
with you. We are going to listen to the stuff
that you've been leaving the voicemails. I've been going through
a lot of them. Uh, truth be told here, there
are a ton more that you do want us to
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know about the stuff that they don't want you to know. Yeah, yeah,
that's right. So so today we're just gonna listen to
some of these, kind of react to them in real time,
and um, do a little searching and research as we're going.
So what you're saying is we haven't done our homework today.
Is that what you're saying? No, No, I'm just saying
I think it would be an interesting experiment to just
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see us react to these in real time and then go, oh,
if we don't know a lot about that, well, then
guess what we're gonna look into it? Agreed. Um, that's
kind of magic of podcast editing. We can uh you know,
go off Mike for a second, looks and things up,
and then come back as though that moment never actually happened.
We might do that, or we might literally say, hey,
this seems like something we should look into a great
and we will. Yeah, so let's get started. We've got
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a message here from someone named Stephen. Hey, guys, it's
one of the calling with anecdote and personal story. My
dad graduated from Texas A and M in the early
eighties that the master's degree and agg science, and I
listened to your last episode reminded me of a story
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he always told us growing up that not his department,
but the poultry science guys, we're supposedly developing a boneless chicken.
Whether or not they actually succeeded, you know, he he
never knew, but that was always a story we heard
growing up. And then a personal story. We're talking about
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chicken again. Uh. In college, I had a good friend
who worked on a Tyson chicken farm and the so
called free range or the antibiotic free chicken houses, we're
one of the more horrible things on the place. You
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had to wear a full like tybec suits to go
in there because there were no antibiotics, so any pathogen
that got introduced could kill all of the chickens. And
even with that, you know, every morning they would go
out and pick up fifty two hundred dead chickens a
day just because of the conditions. Thanks guys. I appreciate
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everything you do that reminds me of like the book
The Jungle by Upton Sinclair and just the conditions of
you know, meat processing plants back in the day. I mean,
obviously this isn't that horrendous, but it still seems it
just seems I'm not some kind of like animal rights guy.
Obviously I want animals to be treated, you know, well
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for the most part, but uh, that just it seems
wrong to me. No. Absolutely, I grew up in Coming,
as we've talked about before in the show, and there
is a large Tyson processing plant there in town, and
the smell is one thing, yep, because the smell just
permeates the town on certain days when whatever they're doing
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in there happens. Um But knowing that there are so
many chickens brought to that facility on a I'm assuming
a daily basis and just processed, and they're being grown
somewhere and where they're being grown, and then the need
the demand to have that many chickens processed every day
because Americans alone eat ridiculous numbers of them every every day,
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every minute, because kids really only like chicken fingers. Well,
it's true, and they're like they like boneless chicken, right,
Americans really like bis can um. You know, other countries
around the world do as well. But um, you know
the concept of even though these are antibiotic free places
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that are supposed to be you know, healthier for us
when we get the end product of the meat. Um,
the chickens are still in their suffering right and getting
ill because of the conditions and the demand and the
way they're stacked up together. It's weird. It's a chicken, right.
We don't know exactly how much they feel, how much
they think, We don't know for sure, but it's certainly
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a living being with a family, you know, and you're
there retreat them that way. It's pretty messed up, you know.
I mean, you know, every every whenever possible, I like
to buy my meat and poultry from a farmer's market,
you know, from a local farm where it's gonna be
just so much better conditions than that. Um, you're gonna
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get like a whole chicken with the bones in, you know,
the entire chicken that you can roast and use all
the parts individually, cut the breasts out yourself. Just do
a little homework, man, you know, it's not that hard.
Get you a whole chicken from the farmer's market and
then cut out the pieces and make your make your
chicken fingers that way. You know, yeah, I get it
people and people are busy, but I try to do
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that whenever humanly possible. Well, they're also priced sometimes price differences,
and you never know. Um, there, it's going to range
across the board, right, Can people afford to treat themselves
better in that way? Well, that's true, But there also
are a lot of programs. There is in Atlanta and
Georgia for sure, where if you are part of the
SNAP program, which is the you know more PC version
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of food stamps. I guess what they used to call it. Um,
it's a food assistance program and you can get double
your money's worth at the farmer's market if you use SNAP.
There was a time in my life when I was
a young father and lived in Athens, Georgia, and we
were on food assistance for a little while, and would
go to the Athens farmers market and they take your
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EBT card and they swipe it and they give you
double the tokens. They give you literally one dollar equals
two dollars and you know, you know, obviously it's true
to to get that high quality of food, it's gonna
cost a little more, but to have that supplement it
it is a really nice thing. And I don't know
if that's in any other states, but it definitely is
still in Georgia. They do it at the farmers markets here.
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That's great insight. I I did not know that. Wow,
let us know if that same thing happens where you live.
That's a that's a great piece of information for for
people to be armed with for sure. Wow. Okay, well,
right before we get off of this one, let's talk
about that first statement he said. Uh, he said it
was a rumor. I believe that some lab out there
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was trying to develop a boneless chicken. Yeah. That's one
of those like urban legends you always hear about, like
you know, the monster mega chicken that the nuggets come from,
you know, or like a chicken that like has like
eight drumsticks or whatever you know. For KFC, I don't know, Ben,
what if, what if you found about any any truth
behind this seeming urban legend? Ben, I just call you Ben.
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You know what, I was addressing the bend shaped void
over there at the end of the table. Matt, what
do you think, uh, since you're here in corporeal form,
so obviously the way muscles work, the way meat works,
and animals that we eat, is that they require at
least a little bit of moving around and muscle development,
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um to to get meat. Um. I think it would
be very strange if you could successfully make a chicken
without bones that could also be an edible product in
that way. Um. But who knows. There have been stranger
things that have occurred. For now, I would say probably
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myth uh, and if it is in development, it would
be kept a secret and they would never let anyone
know that the chicken that they're eating is actually this
like globular thing with a beak. Yeah, probably just like
whispering kill me, kill me. Yeah, this little chicken sounds
sounds awful, But we do know their developments occurring in
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you know, various other meat alternatives that would essentially be
like a boneless chicken, only it would be made out
of different proteins. Yeah. Man, A lot of this beyond
meat stuff is nuts. I think it's interesting, especially, I mean,
you know, I'm I'm fascinated by the concept of this
stuff because it's sort of like, it's not really for
vegetarians exactly, because why do they want a thing that
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resembles meat? If their anti meat, you know, they're they're
fine with eating tofu and just a veget vegetable based diet.
It's maybe for people that have like weaned themselves off
meat or trying to eat less less red meat or whatever.
But the thing about this stuff is, I think it's
a lot of it's not particularly good for you. I
think it's really high in carbohydrates and and it's not
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exactly like a quote unquote healthier option. Wow, but it
tastes amazing that beyond sausages are phenomenal. They just taste
like just like a good kill boss or something. There.
I'm really impressed. Wow, that's great. Well, um, cheers to you,
meet alternative industry. I look forward to one day, you know,
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doing that. You've never tried it? I have. I've tried it.
I haven't made it a part of my routine, I
guess or my regular diet. Yeah. It's tasty. Yeah, And
they're getting in bed with all these big corporations like
Burger King and McDonald's and stuff. And I think that's
why beyond meat stock is really really ride and high
right now, because they got I believe it was a
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burger king deal. There's a beyond whopper. Maybe it's impossible.
Those are the two big ones. Who knows. Look, it's
it's out there. Check it out. Um, I have for
my money a good black bean burger. Still it still
works for me. You can do a lot of amazing
things with veget vegetarian cooking. Just you know, it's all
about the seasoning and the and just getting a good
texture and you know, being creative, you don't have to
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have chicken or steak and everything. Absolutely, thank you Stephen
for sending that interesting information in about chickens. Let's move
on to the next caller. Here we go. The plant
that they sent to Space is pronounced a rabidopsis. It's
the name of the genus. There's many subspecies, but Arabidopsis
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is sort of the gold standard lab rat plant. So
if you imagine, you know, we all use mice in
our lab studies, Arabidopsis is like the plant version. We
study it for everything, same with fruit flies. Just so
you know, a rabidopsis well, hey, all right, that's a
fun fact we do. We do fun facts on here.
Sometimes I genuinely cannot recall what episode this is referring
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to or when we had this discussion about whatever plant
gets tested out in space by the International Space Station teams.
But hey, well, one thing's for sure, we must have
pronounced it like some dumb dumps. That's clearly the purpose
of this caller's call. And I did find out that
it's a flowering planet. It's called a Rabbidopsis staliana, and
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according to this article on Nature dot com, it's a
very important model system for identifying genes and what their
individual functions are. Oh wow, that's fascinating. And there you go.
Thank you, Arabidopsis. Thank you caller. Um, we learned something new, Arabidopsis.
It's fun to say. Okay, before we get to some
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more listener voicemails, let's take a quick sponsor break and
we're back. Let's hear some more. Hello. My name's Clay,
forty five years old from Greenville, South Carolina. Long time
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listen to first time caller. Just listen to the episode
of A World Without Cash. I just want to let
you all know that people who don't use credit cards
uh any type of cause at all. I am married.
My wife. She does use her card or with every
purchase she buys online and all of that. While I
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will walk around with five six dollars cash and I
paid everything in cash because I don't trust it. I
understand the system. I respect the system. It is convenient,
just don't trust it. It's easily tracked, is uh. You know,
people don't worry about that change. I do every dollar.
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Counsel me, I pay in cash every day. I make
every payment everything in cash because I don't want my
bank or everybody to know where I shot all the time.
I love the show Keep it Up, you know. Caller
makes I love this where they feel like Clay. I
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want to refer everyone as caller. Okay, it makes me
feel like like a morning dry. I've time DJ you know.
Thanks Caller Clay makes a good point. Um, it is
really easy to to have your money like nickel and
dimed away just by you know. Obviously there's fees, but
then there's all kinds of other little stuff like let's
say you use an a t M that's not your bank.
That a t M charges you some money, and then
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your bank charge to use some money on top of that.
So for the privilege of taking your money out of
a non you know, bank sponsored whatever you want to
call it, a t M. You end up paying a
good six bucks sometimes. I mean some of those machines
cost three fifty and then your bank will charge you
an equal, if not greater amount on top of that.
So you've literally just paid a big for the privilege
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of accessing your money. Dude, No, thank you. Yeah here,
I totally identified with what Clay is saying here. Thank
you for calling in. You keep all your money in
a mattress, Matt. Don't you know why they call you Matt? Yeah, exactly.
That's the how it whole. It all started. It was
in utero, and I was like, I was like, momsh
on the mattress or the cribs your inheritance. Um. So
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I can totally see what he's talking about here and
not trusting the system for all the reasons we talked
about on that episode and also the ones that Clay
is talking about here, and just general tracking of what
you're doing. It just feels icky. Sometimes doesn't mean we're
doing anything wrong. It just means I'd rather not have
somebody peering through the window and looking at everything I'm doing. Um.
(15:24):
But the other thing here for me is a personal
finance issue when I have found, at least in my experience,
that when I just am going around using a card
for everything, even if I'm getting notifications or an email
about each specific purchase or something, I'm not really keeping
track of all the spending I'm doing on that car,
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And unless I'm expensing it for work or something, it
just kind of goes out into the void and I forget, Oh,
I spent twenty dollars here, ten dollars here, five dollars here,
fifty dollars here, And then I'll look at my bank statement,
knowing that a payment is coming up, where my credit
card statement and just go, wow, I spent way more
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money than I thought I did. I eat a lot
of Ramen. Yeah, like or we have a Roman place
in our building, and you and I we often do
our family a little get together as at Ramen places. No,
you're right, And the thing is, you know you can
do this. You can go in and type a particular
type of expense and add it up and see how
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much of it. But then you get to the point
where you almost like you don't want to do that
because then you'll feel like a jerk, you know, for
how wasteful you are with your money, it's a slippery slope,
by friend, and with the cash you know you have
a finite amount in your pocket, it's an easier way
to like tell yourself, this is how much I have
for this amount of time. This is how much I'm
gonna spend. Leave the cards with credit cards. Don't even
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get me started on credit cards. That's imaginary money to
the nth degree, because it's so easy to justify spending
a credit card because you don't. It's it's it's like
something you just are pushing off. You're punting it into
the future. And that's what credit car companies rely on,
is you making that guy and then knowing you're not
gonna pay the full balance off. And don't get me
so this is always not a financial advisor show, but
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these things matter, and this is all inherent in this
cash list system is everyone's got to make their money
somehow through using your money and parlaying your money and
making it accessible to you. But you can ask yourself,
why do I need somebody else to make my money
accessible to me? You know you don't. Well, let's uh,
I agree let's stay on the money train and uh,
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let's hear from our next color. Thank you Clay check
my money whistle. I did a Matt ben Nol super
producer Paul just had to pause the episode for cash
that y'all was doing, and UH wanted to comment about
the ability of banks to control the cash. Uh. Off
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the top of my head, I do know that banks
are making it more difficult for people in the firearm
industry to be able to bank. And also, uh even
more so, uh the ability of people who grow cannabis. Uh,
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in the cannabis industry, it's pretty darned difficult for them
to be able to use financing and banks in order
to grow their business. Just wanted to drop that on
you keep on kicking ask and taking names. Back to
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the episode, doing our job for us. Very good, nice
transition that so we in the biz call it transition.
That's right. Well, okay, let's talk about this um banking
industry making it more difficult for the arms and history.
I'm assuming we're talking about the smaller arms industries like
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gun store t rex is with small arms, yes, but
I guess I mean smaller businesses that deal in firearms,
because you know, the the sale of weapons on large
scales that moves economies with friends, well, no, no doubt.
So you know, the banking system has no problem moving
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the large production, let's say, and distribution of firearms, UM
and missiles to that matter ingreds. And that's that's how
you change the course of history is with weapons and
and you know, large scale weapons of mass instruction. Just
the threat of using them, the existence of using them,
that is what turns the tide of history. You know,
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not to put too fine a point on it, but
that's a commodity in and of itself, of scale, you know, yes,
and and banks are very much excited about getting in
on wh maybe I don't care who wins UM in
the same way that we give you know, weapons to
other countries and then then those countries no longer our allies,
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but yet we financed you know, they're uh in fighting
with you know anyway. They'll get me started on that,
but yeah, sure, well well okay, so I guess what
what's being said here is that perhaps banks are somehow
preventing smaller a gun shop owners or smaller manufacturers or something, um,
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preventing them in some way from using the general banking
system that we're all aware of and used to. UM,
I don't know, I don't I haven't seen that anywhere.
I haven't researched this, but I'm certainly going to look
into it after hearing this. The The other note that
is placed here is that cannabis industry is having a
difficult time functioning within the traditional banking system, and we
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mentioned that in our episode. Yeah, and I wanted to
actually kind of dovetail off of this one with another
call that we got, is this one about cannabis, because
I got a thing to add, but maybe i'll yeah
weight because this is this is about cannabis as well.
I thought this was interesting because it seems to be
coming from a firsthand knowledge place. So let's listen to
this one as well. Thank you for calling in here
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we go. Hi, guys, my name is Justice. I just
finished listening to your episode about the world being cashless.
UM in Oregon and lots of other states where cannabis
is legal, and we can have legal drug deals if
you will as a dispensary. Most companies do not allow,
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especially Viso does not allow cannabis industry companies to process
money through their company, so it makes it kind of
a weird conundrum where we have getting close to cash
lest society, but an entire industry that is very large
and making a lot of money it's not allowed to
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put their cash into the cash list system. So anyways,
things are changing, laws are changing. VISA will be allowing
cannabis related industry transactions to happen hopefully soon because of
all the legislation happening. But just one of those things
to put out there is like what happens when something
is legal in one state, but our money is run
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by a countrywide, worldwide system. Is that the gray market?
How do we deal with all of that? Thank you guys.
You guys are the best. I really appreciate everything that
you put out there. Have a great day. Okay, this
is good. This is exactly what I was going to
talk about. Okay, I'm gonna take this opportunity. Uh, I'm
gonna go ahead and say it. I smoke cannabis um,
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but only in states where it's legal, right, Yeah, and
one of those states is Oregon. I've spent a lot
of I spend a decent amount of time in Oregon,
and I've been in California, and I've been to these dispensaries,
and it's really interesting the way they do business. They
bay basically are set up like their cash register system.
It's like they're in a t M. They're they're not
doing direct deals with the bank. You're giving them your
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card and they're putting in an even amount, like let's
say your tab is fifty two seventy five or whatever,
like they'll round it to fifty and then they'll give
you back change of whatever the overage was over the
even number. And I've found out that it's because they're
literally set up as like this independent kind of a
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t M machine. So instead of having to go to
an a t M take cash out, you're just doing
the transaction with them, and then they're have this little
cash drawer that pops out, so they give you change back.
And I don't quite understand how, but everyone I've been
to that's how it works. And they always charge you
an even amount and they sort of explain it a
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little bit but not in too much detail, and they
end up giving you back a buck fifty or three
dollars and cents in cash. Wow. Yeah, And then it
makes perfect sense because what happens when an industry, uh
exceeds the legalities of like another industry. Like right, so
we've got cannabis, which is semi legal or it's legal
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in parts. But obviously the international banking or the international
banking system is still old school and it and it
doesn't fully recognize it has to make that choice. You know,
just because something is legal in a state doesn't mean
American banks are all going to be on board with
it and be able to say, oh, well, now, all
of a sudden, we're changing our policy to to match
up with this new change in the law for one
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particular industry. So you know, it's the same with getting
a loan, for example, to to to start a dispensary
or what have you. That can be difficult to Oh. Absolutely,
it's it's interesting. It's it's interesting conundrum. Like she was saying,
you know, I really am fascinated by the whole way
to seeing banking catchunless she's saying, you know, now, maybe
soon you'll be able to, you know, process transactions with
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visa directly, but that's not the case right now. So
it's all these little kind of thick is these short
term fixes. You know, I think we should do an
entire episode on the American cannabis industry, or maybe focus
on a single state or something and really analyze how
it functions, how it works, and really what affects this
industry has had on the black market of of cannabis
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in the US and how things are changing, because I
honestly don't know. We've we've touched on it a little bit,
but you know, we focused on like a cancer cure
or maybe something a little more niche within the within
the cannabis world, but how the industry functions is fascinating.
I don't want to scoop my my contact, but I
mentioned this guy to you, been in talks with the
(25:39):
with the gentleman is pitching some really great kind of
true crime ideas. And I'm not going to go into
specific because I don't want to, you know, blow up
his spot, but he has one story that's very specifically
about a particular group of black market marijuana traders that
have been in the game since the beginning or you know,
for a long time multigenerational family mari on a cartel,
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let's call it, but for not a cartel like that,
murders people just kind of like a group of family members,
multi generation, generational that grows marijuana and is very very
good at it in a particular part of the country.
What happens when all of a sudden it becomes legal
and your black market operation that you've been running very
carefully over all of these years and passed down, you know,
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the secrets of it, the generations, all of a sudden,
your margins are gone. You know. You you you are
kind of put out of the job because the prices
go down, you know, when it becomes more widely available
and there's not as much risk behind it. Not to mention,
there's so much law enforce there's so much corruption and
law enforcement of robbing people like this, taking their product,
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selling it to rival. You know, I mean, there's all
you know, that stuff happens. We know that stuff happens.
And this story that I'm talking about, I can't wait
to get into it with this guy because I think
it's gonna be a real doozy um. But yeah, dude,
I want to I want to learn about that. I
want to learn what happens when Philip Morrison, these massive
tobacco companies get into the game, and you know they're
going to because there we talked about this before. They
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they're the ones that fight legalization more than anybody. Yeah,
you know, the same as with the alcohol companies, the
same with big pharma and all that. You know. I
actually spoke with Justice briefly on the phone after she
left this message because I wanted to clarify a couple
of nights, and then I edited this down a little bit.
But it is really interesting to me and I want
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to I just want to understand when, like, will Americans
accept and I think we will in general, of course,
not not all of us, but accept a giant like
a marl Marlborough version of marijuana. Will we accept it? Yeah?
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Like will will the market actually accepted? Will will be purchased?
They might get laughed off the block, right, Well, yeah
it might, or it might be the cheapest thing you
can possibly buy out there, and then it would have
to be the best and cheapest. They would have to
do that, you know, use their corporate mojo, figure out
how to make a product that not only is really good,
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but it's also cheaper than everything else and put other
people out of business. And they could do that because
they have the R and D to do something like
that if they decided to go that route. But they
probably would sleep, They would probably keep it under wraps
for a long time and then roll it out. You know,
do you think just I'm gonna ask you this just
an opinion, do you think there will be a market
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for flavored cannabis in the same way that there's a
market for the cigarettes that's being like starting to become
regulated now and like stopped. I don't think so, because
I don't know, you know, with with with cannabis culture,
it's sort of like getting a fine cognac or like
enough fine you know, batch of of of whiskey that's brewed,
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you know, with thought and like I mean, of course
just made mass produced. But you know, people have their
favorite strains and they have their favor whatever the flavor
comes from. You know, when you get like a blueberry
cush or whatever, it doesn't actually taste like magic blueberries
or whatever. Well, what I'm asking you was like, would
that do you think that's gonna be a thing? Because certainly,
why isn't it already? What I'm saying is because these
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these um substances like nicotine that are you know, drug
essentially like a THHC vape that has flavored components in it.
I guess one like that because it's a marketing strategy,
right for you know, whether anyone wants to admit it
or not, in marketing strategy that assists in getting a
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younger crowd. And you don't think they've gotten so much
bad press for that that they've gotten there they're going
to lean away from that stuff from now on because
of all the jewel stuff and you know the epidemic
with vaping in schools and kids. I would think Mark,
you know, a big company wouldn't want to touch that
with a ten foot poll. God forbid, they'd be accused
of trying to hook young kids on marijuana, you know,
the Gateway drug whatever. You know. I guess it just
(30:00):
depends on how the regulation actually ends up coming down
over time. There's flavored vodka, That's what I mean. That's
all that stuff. You're right, And it just feels like
one of those things that is going to happen and
it's gonna weird me out. And my my my counter
to like, if you think this, why would this ever
happen with all the heat that's come down on like
(30:21):
jewel for example, Um, I think in five years, ten years,
anything can be essentially a slate can be wiped clean
for something like that. I think you're right. I think
you're right. Forget what I'm saying. Short memory, you know,
and and we will just make that memory even shorter. O. Great,
Let's take a quick break here and here from a sponsor.
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Then we will return with another message. All right, let's
jump to a story. Oh no, I think you're gonna
like this one. Here we go. Greetings. My name is David,
and I'm addressing anyone curious about the Q and ON subculture.
(31:06):
My father mustered out of the army at the end
of World War Two. He earned a degree in rockets
from Dynamics and spent his entire career in the aerospace industry.
He held Q clearance from the inception of that d
OE civilian classification. I didn't know this until well after
he retired, and he only confided in me things that
were already public knowledge. And that's my point. Persons with
(31:29):
that level clearance don't get there by accident, and as
sure as hell, don't go public classifications. Departmentalized and specialized
Q clearance gets you into area fifty one for specific programs,
for instance, prototyping and range testing MERV multiple independent reentry vehicles,
but that doesn't mean you get an automatic invite to
(31:52):
the Star Chamber. Simply doesn't work that way. Anyone claiming
otherwise has no credibility. The public in general and the
qun On fathers specifically need to understand that people at
that level of clearance are closely monitored. Posting on social media,
let alone for channel, is not going to go unnoticed.
(32:14):
Q clearance goes beyond top secret. They operate metaphorically speaking
in rarefied atmosphere. The subculture might not heed this, but
the rest of us should understand that we can engage
their claims with reason and not rank her. The Q
and on subculture is designed to so suspicion and divisive
(32:35):
conspiratorial nonsense. Even if someone went rogue, it's likely that
the Q and q and on doesn't exist. Mm hmm,
Now this is really interesting, David Is It seems to
have experience, at least through his family. I mean he's
(32:55):
in there talking about his father possibly worked with MERV
multiple independently targetable reentry vehicles, not to be confused with
MERV Griffin. Yeah. Yeah, and it's not really a vehicle
to rocket um that has multiple warheads inside of it.
It's bonkers looking. Um. It's it looks like you know
those incense cones that you burn from the top and
(33:16):
they kind of you know, like they're like upside like
Christmas trees or whatever. It looks like that. But it's
like a combination of that and the chamber of a
revolver almost where around the edges are like one, two, three,
or four or five, six, seven, eight nine of these,
and then in the center there's an additional one and
then that piece is encased in like you know the rocket,
(33:36):
the warhead, you know, k casing or whatever. Wow. I mean,
and it's it's an intense weapon and a technology that
must have been extremely secret when it was being developed. Um.
And it's really I mean, this guy who just called
our show his father worked on it, I guess, Um
amazing Um. And he's basically saying that someone that has
(33:59):
that level of security clearance is not going to go
on some website and leak information because that person, in
order to attain that level of clearance was vetted so
like this, there was such scrutiny put in the vetting
of that person. Um, that is highly unlikely that it
wouldn't happen, and if it did happen, it probably wouldn't
(34:20):
be through fortunes. Essentially, what he's saying, um and David
is saying that Q and On I have to go
back and listen to it again. But he's saying that
the stuff from Q and On is meant to be divisive.
I can't you know, I can't prove that that's the
reason that it's you know, Q and On became such
(34:40):
a thing, right, but it has certainly had that effect.
Can I read a thing absolutely? This is a this
is a response we got to the Q on episode
that was really interesting. Uh, Q and On, please read
and go deeper and again to your point, I feel
like a lot of this stuff is malarkey and a
lot of this stuff is kind of trumped up imagination
(35:02):
run wild um meaning attached to something that really isn't there,
but this person thinks otherwise. And in the interests of
seeing both sides, I wanted to read a couple of eggs. Email. Hi,
I just wanted to email since I expected better from
you all. I was very disappointed on this. You missed
the whole point. No mention of the Q proofs so
many that is mathematically impossible to write off as coincidence.
(35:23):
No mention that the reason Q writes the way he
does is to get people thinking. Uh. No mention of
the Q clock, Very little talk of Q post themselves,
and more focused on what people think. Q confirms when
someone gets it right. Obviously didn't look into how many
times Q has been right. No mention of Q plus
who was pretty much known to the to be the president.
(35:45):
Q as a team and you can tell by the
different writing styles. Again, you missed. The whole point of
Q is to do your own research and from your
own opinions, don't just take it from Q or from
anyone else. Also, the first post was to get people's attention. However,
while I do not put stock that Q knows the
future are sometimes he'll be wrong as time schedules change.
So okay, I'm not gonna name names of this person.
(36:08):
And I think we all respect everyone's right to have
an opinion and and and uh, you know, go down
whatever rabbit holes you choose to go down. But I
feel like a lot of this is what we're saying.
It's like you assign your own meaning as a person.
Even said it's to make you think and to do
your own research. And I don't know what about the
QUE proofs? Do you know about the Q proofs? We? Yeah,
(36:30):
I don't want to talk too much, but Ben and
I've looked into it pretty extensively, and there's more if
we ever wanted to do another episode on it. It It
just feels like a rabbit hole that I don't know
if I want to go down right. Um, that's fair,
and I think you know I we we try very
(36:50):
hard not to let our personal opinions, you know, seep
into what we do here on this show. For me,
it's so much research that is going to be required.
It's there's so much writing. And did you notice how
many things are referenced in that email that you just read,
how many different things all of those are like day's worth.
(37:12):
Each one of those is a day's worth of research
that we would need to do. Um. I don't I
don't know. Maybe maybe we can get into it. UM,
I'll just take like a vacation vental dignal. I'll just
go on vacation and it's not a vacation. It's not
a vacation which is from work, like not do any
work except for research Q and on that's called work.
(37:33):
All right, Well, I guess you're I think we need
a proper vacation to like the keys or something, you know. Okay,
Well for now, thank you for for sending that in, David,
and thank you for writing in writer there, whoever you are. Um,
we appreciate you know, we we generally appreciate criticism and
(37:55):
and we take it to heart. We get what you're saying.
We wanted to talk about Q and on on a
high level that we could all kind of get an
understanding without going too deep into the nitty gritty. All right,
let's move on to our next color. Hi, I have
something concerning about the duck population of the United States.
(38:15):
It appears that instead of floating, they have legs that
stretch to the bottom of the lake bed in which
they are resting. The world needs to know. Well, first off,
that as a terrifying image to me personally. Uh as
you know my position on on avian creatures. Uh not, Yeah,
(38:40):
that's that's just nightmare fuel right there. I don't know
if I can engage with this thought experiment. What do
you know about this? I'm just trying to imagine a
really big gaggle of ducks with these really dangly legs.
They all like hundreds of feet down and they're just
kind of budeling along is coming from caller. And then
(39:05):
somehow when they get up to fly, when they begin
to like fly off of the surface of the lake,
their legs just retract quickly or something. I don't know. Well,
I really messing with us, right, Yeah, this is a joke.
We we've've asked people to send in joke things we've
we've received one. I appreciate. I appreciate it too, but
it also I don't know how I feel about this.
(39:28):
Nightmares for you, sir, Thank you whoever you are. Thank you,
next caller, next collar. Hi, Okay. All I want to
know is what happened to the Transgenesis podcast. It never
actually came out that there were tons of ads. I
was super psyched, and it never came out. What happened.
(39:51):
This isn't a conspiracy. The show does exist and it
is absolutely fabulous. It just isn't called Transgenesis anymore. They
changed the name to the Second oil Age, which is
a little bit more of a thematic quality that the
show represents um from the genius mind of our friend
and yours, Mr Robert Lamb and also beautiful, beautiful sound
(40:11):
designed by Alex Williams. I play a character named tex
Americana or text America, excuse me, and I get to
do my best Alex Jones voice. It's very so if
you want to hear, hear me um bloviating and popping
blood vessels in my temples. I really gave it my
all on that performance. So check out. The second oil
(40:33):
age is out and full. You can binge the whole
thing now on uh the I Heart Radio app, Apple podcasts,
or anywhere you get podcasts. Yes, this is not a commercial.
This is just happened to come up. Um. I'm also
in that show too, and it's officially on my slate,
my slate. Um, I really really enjoy it. The whole
season is available, so go listen right now. Just listen
(40:56):
to your podcast on the Smiling Face Killers. There's a
podcast US called Radio Rental. One of the guys recounts
the story and he thinks that they were trying to
kidnap him, like he thinks that that's who tried to
kidnap him was the so called quote unquote Smiling Face Killers. Say,
(41:17):
but that's funny. Oh wow, I know, which I know
exactly what he's talking about. Yeah. I I haven't listened
to the whole series yet, but caller uh you may
have already founded by now. I don't know when this
voicemail was from, but we did a fantastic interview with
our buddy Payne Lindsay Uh, the executive producer and host
of Radio Rental, and really got some cool insight into
(41:40):
how he found these stories. He gave us some of
the background from some of these crazy, kind of weird
Reddit threads that he went down to to get this stuff,
and just how a show like that comes together. Um,
and there's some hearing it from him and hearing how
the stories affected him. I thought was a really cool
uh entry point entry way into into the show, which
I think is quite good. UM. So yeah, and I
(42:00):
actually it's funny that this color mentioned this. I had
actually texted Pain and specifically asked him if that episode
or if this story it's in episode three by the
way of Radio Rental, if you want to listen to
it's the last story in that episode. UM. I asked
him if he thought it might be connected to the
Smiley Face serial killer at all, and he was like dude, Yeah,
(42:23):
we like the guy thinks that and it like seems
to match up. Just quickly give you an overview of
the story. Dude is out with his friend at a
bar drinking, who's telling the story. A woman comes up
to them at the bar. She's clearly got this like
long red hair that seems like maybe a wig or
just isn't like than her natural hair color. She's talking
(42:45):
them up. She's buying them drinks, like spending a lot
of money on them, buying them drinks. His friend our storyteller.
His friend gets very, very drunk, and at the point
when he is so intoxicated, this woman talks begins flirting
with him only the guy who's incredibly intoxicated, and then
is trying to get him to come home with her
(43:06):
and leave the other friend, who is not so drunk behind. Uh.
Our our protagonist helps his friend get into a car,
sends him home back to his house. This guy gets
into a cab with the woman and they go buy
more alcohol. She's trying to get him to drink more.
He's fascinated and he wants to know what her game is, essentially,
(43:29):
so he wants to play along with it and just
see like, what's happening. He's feigning drinking more on his
way to this other house. They get to the house
and they walk up to it and the door is open,
the front doors open. She's been gone from her house.
The front doors just open. She goes in. He finds
it to be very weird. He thinks he hears somebody
(43:51):
else talking in the house. She keeps telling him he's
there alone, it's just going to be the two of them.
He hears her clearly talking to somebody. He says he's
to go to the bathroom, throws up all the alcohol
that he can while he's in this house. Then he
hears in the bathroom a third person talking and specifically
mentioning like you do it. No, you do it, you
(44:12):
do it. So he's terrified for his life and he
ends up escaping because he believes that they're going to
do harm to him. And when we talked about the
series the Smiley Faced serial killings, it was all athletic
young men out drinking at a bar or at a
game or doing something and then they wind up dead,
you know, missing, then dead in the body. That's interesting
(44:36):
and it just feels like this might this guy might
have encountered a group or the group that was doing that,
And you know, gosh, when I wouldn't be so like
skeptical of the concept of some of these drownings having
been murders, but I guess it's the idea of it
(44:58):
being a serial killer at being like a specific group
of people, like was it a club of some kind
of Like again, I think this is such good fodder
for like a comic or something, or like a really
cool screenplay of surprise, no one's done this yet, Like
maybe there's some interesting ritualistic reason behind doing this or whatever,
you know, or some kind of fetishistic thing. I think
(45:18):
it's fascinating. I think it got debunked enough in the
materials that we found for that episode in terms of
just like the too much happenstance, too much coincidence in
in the replacement of these smiley faces. At the very least,
that's a red herring, right, the smiley faces, because it's
just such a ubiquitous graffiti symbol. And most of these
(45:38):
people were found in bodies of water where there's like
retaining walls that are going to be tagged up or whatever.
And it was it was a relatively low number of
of of Happy Faces, and in my opinion it is
likely not connected. But it's also impossible to completely discount
at this point because we have so so little information.
Um well that's really interes things. So check out Radio Rental.
(46:01):
It's episode three. See what you think in see what
you think about the episode in connection with our episode
on the Smiley Face Killer. Oh, I'm gonna play one
last one here before we go, and then we'll just
just say goodbye. It's really quick because it actually has
to do with the Smiley Face Killers. Hi. My name
is Ezra. I live in North Carolina. I just finished
(46:23):
the Smiley Face episode, the Serio Killer episode, and I
have a very similar story that I would like to share.
In two and twelves, I was in high school in Charlotte,
North Carolina, and I had a friend and her name
was Kayleie Campbell and December one, she went missing. She
(46:44):
called her mom and told her she was on her
way home and then never came home. And then seven
days later they found her body at the bottom of
a pond. They said that she had finished the rest
of her antidepressant medication, jumped into the pond and drowned.
The medical examiner ruled it as an accidental dramming. But
(47:04):
a few months after, maybe it was a year after
I came across this article on Alternate Dimensions dot net,
which isn't necessarily a very reputable source, but they mentioned
someone called the Lewis Clark Valley serial Killers, who has
(47:25):
apparently been active since the sixties. I haven't done too
much research on it, but it's very easy to find
this stuff on Google. Just her name is Kayla Campbell.
She went missing on December one. They found her body
on December seventh, two thousand twelve. Honestly, until you mentioned
that it was mostly men being affected by the my
least a serial killers, I was almost expecting you to
(47:47):
mention this story specifically, even though it's such a small
story and only my own tiny town outside of Charlotte
really knows what happens. Do you want to do some reasearch?
Is out there? Have a good night? Interesting? Yeah, I'm
actually looking at w BTV. They've got a website wbtv
dot com and it's got an article about Kayla Campbell,
(48:09):
and I mean, it's really tragic, it's awful, but now
we know, now we're gonna look into this I'm personally
gonna look into this and think about it in connection
with the Smiley Face serial killer or you know killers
alleged killers, and also the Lewis Clark Valley serial killer.
I've never heard of that, and now I'm looking into this.
(48:30):
It looks like it was something and eight two in
northern Idaho. That's where that's where it occurred. There's several
missing people. Wow, Okay, we're gonna look into both of
those things. Um, we're gonna see see what. Oh it
looks like oddest tool was implicated in this. Oh man,
(48:50):
this is a really interesting. Okay, we're gonna We're gonna
this is probably gonna be a whole episode. I think
that's smart. Um, and I think we can probably put
the kaibash on this episode for today. All right, I mean,
I know we got what did you say? You had
like two hundred more of these that you haven't sifted through,
and you get such a fine job with these. Man,
these are some really good ones. Yeah, there are a lot.
(49:12):
I apologize if you've received a call from these, gonna
be the year of no apologizing. Okay, no it's not actually,
but if you have received a strange call or if
you do receive a strange call from a number that
you don't know, it might be me, so pick up
or don't. Every once in a while will be a
(49:33):
robocaller and they'll be like, this is the Sheriff's department
and we're looking for donations. Yeah, that's is your name?
Spam risk? Yeah? No, I honestly have no idea what
it's gonna look like on your color I D when
you call it. I'd love to figure that out. Because
you use the thing, like the service or whatever. You
you call them back using the interface for whatever it is. Yes,
(49:55):
this is called what's the name of the service we
use ringing Central. This is a disclaimer out there. This
is a warning if you do call uh, it goes
to my phone, my personal phone, and I can see
the number that you called me from. And generally I
call people back if possible, to let them know that we're,
you know, going to use their audio um and just
(50:18):
to thank them because we appreciate it very much. I
gotta say, Matt, after this one, I'm always a little
skeptical about these, but after this one, well, I think
we should do these a little more often. So we
so we don't end up with his backlog because there's
so many good ones. I yeah, I agree. I think
I really enjoyed talking with you about this Ben Void
over there. Um, he's just making this inward hissing sound.
(50:40):
It's very lynch in and it's making me incredibly uncomfortable.
But uh, it reminds me. I just saw Tim and
Eric in their Mandatory World tour last night. Uh my gosh,
you guys. Uh it very much reminds me of the
Black Void over here. With Ben. It is just insane.
It is insane and hilarious and I couldn't recommend it more.
(51:01):
I saw on cinema it was it was just him
and Neil Hamburger and that's what it was named. Gregg
Turkington and Amelio Estevez's father was in it. But that
was one of the coolest live things I've ever seen,
comedy things I've ever seence, I'm very jealous. I'm sure
they go all out for the awesome show live. Um, hey,
did you see it in your town? Let us know
you can. You can check us out on social media
(51:23):
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me out as an individual human person. You can find
me on Instagram at how now Noel Brown, Ben Void
is not going to call it his social handles today,
but you you you remember, and if you did happen
to check his out right now, you might get a
sense of where the corporeal bend form is lurking. And
(51:47):
I'll tell you it's pretty interesting stuff. Although you have
no idea when we recorded this or how or where. Well,
that's true, the stories might have all expired by that.
He only yeah, he's he's been. Uh. Corporeal Ben is
pretty exclusively stories on Instagram, so those those have a
shelf life. Um, Matt, you're what you are? You still
(52:07):
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it's Matt Frederick underscore. I heard it certainly is I
tagged Did you see that picture I tagged you in? Uh?
It was from the Dan Harmon trip. It was my
friend Matt took a picture on his like instacs camera
and I tagged you in. Ben's very sexy picture of
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(52:29):
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back to the show. My name is Matt, my name
is known. Ben is not here. Uh. This is one
of those one of those episodes where Noel and I
are hero in a room and Paul Mission Control Decan
is out there and the three of us are just
missing that corporeal form of Ben, at least the one
that he takes when he's in this room with us.
But he's sort of like a like a conspiracy Santa Claus. Well,
(00:47):
Santa Claus is, after all, the biggest conspiracy of all.
We've learned that one perpetrated on children from the earliest days,
and it's one that teaches them how to not trust.
That's correct. But he's also a spirit that exists beyond
the corporeal form, as is Ben Bowling. That's right. And
you know, as we've discussed many a time, been Uh
(01:07):
touches us all. He's definitely touched me through the void.
Ben touch us all, but he's not here. But he's
on adventures. So today what we're doing is we're connecting
with you. We are going to listen to the stuff
that you've been leaving the voicemails. I've been going through
a lot of them. Uh, truth be told here, there
are a ton more that you do want us to
(01:30):
know about the stuff that they don't want you to know. Yeah, yeah,
that's right. So so today we're just gonna listen to
some of these, kind of react to them in real time,
and um, do a little searching and research as we're going.
So what you're saying is we haven't done our homework today.
Is that what you're saying? No, No, I'm just saying
I think it would be an interesting experiment to just
(01:51):
see us react to these in real time and then go, oh,
if we don't know a lot about that, well, then
guess what we're gonna look into it? Agreed. Um, that's
kind of magic of podcast editing. We can uh you know,
go off Mike for a second, looks and things up,
and then come back as though that moment never actually happened.
We might do that, or we might literally say, hey,
this seems like something we should look into a great
and we will. Yeah, so let's get started. We've got
(02:13):
a message here from someone named Stephen. Hey, guys, it's
one of the calling with anecdote and personal story. My
dad graduated from Texas A and M in the early
eighties that the master's degree and agg science, and I
listened to your last episode reminded me of a story
(02:36):
he always told us growing up that not his department,
but the poultry science guys, we're supposedly developing a boneless chicken.
Whether or not they actually succeeded, you know, he he
never knew, but that was always a story we heard
growing up. And then a personal story. We're talking about
(02:58):
chicken again. Uh. In college, I had a good friend
who worked on a Tyson chicken farm and the so
called free range or the antibiotic free chicken houses, we're
one of the more horrible things on the place. You
(03:19):
had to wear a full like tybec suits to go
in there because there were no antibiotics, so any pathogen
that got introduced could kill all of the chickens. And
even with that, you know, every morning they would go
out and pick up fifty two hundred dead chickens a
day just because of the conditions. Thanks guys. I appreciate
(03:40):
everything you do that reminds me of like the book
The Jungle by Upton Sinclair and just the conditions of
you know, meat processing plants back in the day. I mean,
obviously this isn't that horrendous, but it still seems it
just seems I'm not some kind of like animal rights guy.
Obviously I want animals to be treated, you know, well
(04:02):
for the most part, but uh, that just it seems
wrong to me. No. Absolutely, I grew up in Coming,
as we've talked about before in the show, and there
is a large Tyson processing plant there in town, and
the smell is one thing, yep, because the smell just
permeates the town on certain days when whatever they're doing
(04:26):
in there happens. Um But knowing that there are so
many chickens brought to that facility on a I'm assuming
a daily basis and just processed, and they're being grown
somewhere and where they're being grown, and then the need
the demand to have that many chickens processed every day
because Americans alone eat ridiculous numbers of them every every day,
(04:52):
every minute, because kids really only like chicken fingers. Well,
it's true, and they're like they like boneless chicken, right,
Americans really like bis can um. You know, other countries
around the world do as well. But um, you know
the concept of even though these are antibiotic free places
(05:12):
that are supposed to be you know, healthier for us
when we get the end product of the meat. Um,
the chickens are still in their suffering right and getting
ill because of the conditions and the demand and the
way they're stacked up together. It's weird. It's a chicken, right.
We don't know exactly how much they feel, how much
they think, We don't know for sure, but it's certainly
(05:34):
a living being with a family, you know, and you're
there retreat them that way. It's pretty messed up, you know.
I mean, you know, every every whenever possible, I like
to buy my meat and poultry from a farmer's market,
you know, from a local farm where it's gonna be
just so much better conditions than that. Um, you're gonna
(05:58):
get like a whole chicken with the bones in, you know,
the entire chicken that you can roast and use all
the parts individually, cut the breasts out yourself. Just do
a little homework, man, you know, it's not that hard.
Get you a whole chicken from the farmer's market and
then cut out the pieces and make your make your
chicken fingers that way. You know, yeah, I get it
people and people are busy, but I try to do
(06:19):
that whenever humanly possible. Well, they're also priced sometimes price differences,
and you never know. Um, there, it's going to range
across the board, right, Can people afford to treat themselves
better in that way? Well, that's true, But there also
are a lot of programs. There is in Atlanta and
Georgia for sure, where if you are part of the
SNAP program, which is the you know more PC version
(06:40):
of food stamps. I guess what they used to call it. Um,
it's a food assistance program and you can get double
your money's worth at the farmer's market if you use SNAP.
There was a time in my life when I was
a young father and lived in Athens, Georgia, and we
were on food assistance for a little while, and would
go to the Athens farmers market and they take your
(07:01):
EBT card and they swipe it and they give you
double the tokens. They give you literally one dollar equals
two dollars and you know, you know, obviously it's true
to to get that high quality of food, it's gonna
cost a little more, but to have that supplement it
it is a really nice thing. And I don't know
if that's in any other states, but it definitely is
still in Georgia. They do it at the farmers markets here.
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That's great insight. I I did not know that. Wow,
let us know if that same thing happens where you live.
That's a that's a great piece of information for for
people to be armed with for sure. Wow. Okay, well,
right before we get off of this one, let's talk
about that first statement he said. Uh, he said it
was a rumor. I believe that some lab out there
(07:45):
was trying to develop a boneless chicken. Yeah. That's one
of those like urban legends you always hear about, like
you know, the monster mega chicken that the nuggets come from,
you know, or like a chicken that like has like
eight drumsticks or whatever you know. For KFC, I don't know, Ben,
what if, what if you found about any any truth
behind this seeming urban legend? Ben, I just call you Ben.
(08:12):
You know what, I was addressing the bend shaped void
over there at the end of the table. Matt, what
do you think, uh, since you're here in corporeal form,
so obviously the way muscles work, the way meat works,
and animals that we eat, is that they require at
least a little bit of moving around and muscle development,
(08:32):
um to to get meat. Um. I think it would
be very strange if you could successfully make a chicken
without bones that could also be an edible product in
that way. Um. But who knows. There have been stranger
things that have occurred. For now, I would say probably
(08:52):
myth uh, and if it is in development, it would
be kept a secret and they would never let anyone
know that the chicken that they're eating is actually this
like globular thing with a beak. Yeah, probably just like
whispering kill me, kill me. Yeah, this little chicken sounds
sounds awful, But we do know their developments occurring in
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you know, various other meat alternatives that would essentially be
like a boneless chicken, only it would be made out
of different proteins. Yeah. Man, A lot of this beyond
meat stuff is nuts. I think it's interesting, especially, I mean,
you know, I'm I'm fascinated by the concept of this
stuff because it's sort of like, it's not really for
vegetarians exactly, because why do they want a thing that
(09:38):
resembles meat? If their anti meat, you know, they're they're
fine with eating tofu and just a veget vegetable based diet.
It's maybe for people that have like weaned themselves off
meat or trying to eat less less red meat or whatever.
But the thing about this stuff is, I think it's
a lot of it's not particularly good for you. I
think it's really high in carbohydrates and and it's not
(09:58):
exactly like a quote unquote healthier option. Wow, but it
tastes amazing that beyond sausages are phenomenal. They just taste
like just like a good kill boss or something. There.
I'm really impressed. Wow, that's great. Well, um, cheers to you,
meet alternative industry. I look forward to one day, you know,
(10:19):
doing that. You've never tried it? I have. I've tried it.
I haven't made it a part of my routine, I
guess or my regular diet. Yeah. It's tasty. Yeah, And
they're getting in bed with all these big corporations like
Burger King and McDonald's and stuff. And I think that's
why beyond meat stock is really really ride and high
right now, because they got I believe it was a
(10:40):
burger king deal. There's a beyond whopper. Maybe it's impossible.
Those are the two big ones. Who knows. Look, it's
it's out there. Check it out. Um, I have for
my money a good black bean burger. Still it still
works for me. You can do a lot of amazing
things with veget vegetarian cooking. Just you know, it's all
about the seasoning and the and just getting a good
texture and you know, being creative, you don't have to
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have chicken or steak and everything. Absolutely, thank you Stephen
for sending that interesting information in about chickens. Let's move
on to the next caller. Here we go. The plant
that they sent to Space is pronounced a rabidopsis. It's
the name of the genus. There's many subspecies, but Arabidopsis
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is sort of the gold standard lab rat plant. So
if you imagine, you know, we all use mice in
our lab studies, Arabidopsis is like the plant version. We
study it for everything, same with fruit flies. Just so
you know, a rabidopsis well, hey, all right, that's a
fun fact we do. We do fun facts on here.
Sometimes I genuinely cannot recall what episode this is referring
(11:45):
to or when we had this discussion about whatever plant
gets tested out in space by the International Space Station teams.
But hey, well, one thing's for sure, we must have
pronounced it like some dumb dumps. That's clearly the purpose
of this caller's call. And I did find out that
it's a flowering planet. It's called a Rabbidopsis staliana, and
(12:07):
according to this article on Nature dot com, it's a
very important model system for identifying genes and what their
individual functions are. Oh wow, that's fascinating. And there you go.
Thank you, Arabidopsis. Thank you caller. Um, we learned something new, Arabidopsis.
It's fun to say. Okay, before we get to some
(12:28):
more listener voicemails, let's take a quick sponsor break and
we're back. Let's hear some more. Hello. My name's Clay,
forty five years old from Greenville, South Carolina. Long time
(12:49):
listen to first time caller. Just listen to the episode
of A World Without Cash. I just want to let
you all know that people who don't use credit cards
uh any type of cause at all. I am married.
My wife. She does use her card or with every
purchase she buys online and all of that. While I
(13:10):
will walk around with five six dollars cash and I
paid everything in cash because I don't trust it. I
understand the system. I respect the system. It is convenient,
just don't trust it. It's easily tracked, is uh. You know,
people don't worry about that change. I do every dollar.
(13:34):
Counsel me, I pay in cash every day. I make
every payment everything in cash because I don't want my
bank or everybody to know where I shot all the time.
I love the show Keep it Up, you know. Caller
makes I love this where they feel like Clay. I
(13:55):
want to refer everyone as caller. Okay, it makes me
feel like like a morning dry. I've time DJ you know.
Thanks Caller Clay makes a good point. Um, it is
really easy to to have your money like nickel and
dimed away just by you know. Obviously there's fees, but
then there's all kinds of other little stuff like let's
say you use an a t M that's not your bank.
That a t M charges you some money, and then
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your bank charge to use some money on top of that.
So for the privilege of taking your money out of
a non you know, bank sponsored whatever you want to
call it, a t M. You end up paying a
good six bucks sometimes. I mean some of those machines
cost three fifty and then your bank will charge you
an equal, if not greater amount on top of that.
So you've literally just paid a big for the privilege
(14:38):
of accessing your money. Dude, No, thank you. Yeah here,
I totally identified with what Clay is saying here. Thank
you for calling in. You keep all your money in
a mattress, Matt. Don't you know why they call you Matt? Yeah, exactly.
That's the how it whole. It all started. It was
in utero, and I was like, I was like, momsh
on the mattress or the cribs your inheritance. Um. So
(15:02):
I can totally see what he's talking about here and
not trusting the system for all the reasons we talked
about on that episode and also the ones that Clay
is talking about here, and just general tracking of what
you're doing. It just feels icky. Sometimes doesn't mean we're
doing anything wrong. It just means I'd rather not have
somebody peering through the window and looking at everything I'm doing. Um.
(15:24):
But the other thing here for me is a personal
finance issue when I have found, at least in my experience,
that when I just am going around using a card
for everything, even if I'm getting notifications or an email
about each specific purchase or something, I'm not really keeping
track of all the spending I'm doing on that car,
(15:45):
And unless I'm expensing it for work or something, it
just kind of goes out into the void and I forget, Oh,
I spent twenty dollars here, ten dollars here, five dollars here,
fifty dollars here, And then I'll look at my bank statement,
knowing that a payment is coming up, where my credit
card statement and just go, wow, I spent way more
(16:05):
money than I thought I did. I eat a lot
of Ramen. Yeah, like or we have a Roman place
in our building, and you and I we often do
our family a little get together as at Ramen places. No,
you're right, And the thing is, you know you can
do this. You can go in and type a particular
type of expense and add it up and see how
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much of it. But then you get to the point
where you almost like you don't want to do that
because then you'll feel like a jerk, you know, for
how wasteful you are with your money, it's a slippery slope,
by friend, and with the cash you know you have
a finite amount in your pocket, it's an easier way
to like tell yourself, this is how much I have
for this amount of time. This is how much I'm
gonna spend. Leave the cards with credit cards. Don't even
(16:48):
get me started on credit cards. That's imaginary money to
the nth degree, because it's so easy to justify spending
a credit card because you don't. It's it's it's like
something you just are pushing off. You're punting it into
the future. And that's what credit car companies rely on,
is you making that guy and then knowing you're not
gonna pay the full balance off. And don't get me
so this is always not a financial advisor show, but
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these things matter, and this is all inherent in this
cash list system is everyone's got to make their money
somehow through using your money and parlaying your money and
making it accessible to you. But you can ask yourself,
why do I need somebody else to make my money
accessible to me? You know you don't. Well, let's uh,
I agree let's stay on the money train and uh,
(17:33):
let's hear from our next color. Thank you Clay check
my money whistle. I did a Matt ben Nol super
producer Paul just had to pause the episode for cash
that y'all was doing, and UH wanted to comment about
the ability of banks to control the cash. Uh. Off
(18:00):
the top of my head, I do know that banks
are making it more difficult for people in the firearm
industry to be able to bank. And also, uh even
more so, uh the ability of people who grow cannabis. Uh,
(18:22):
in the cannabis industry, it's pretty darned difficult for them
to be able to use financing and banks in order
to grow their business. Just wanted to drop that on
you keep on kicking ask and taking names. Back to
(18:42):
the episode, doing our job for us. Very good, nice
transition that so we in the biz call it transition.
That's right. Well, okay, let's talk about this um banking
industry making it more difficult for the arms and history.
I'm assuming we're talking about the smaller arms industries like
(19:05):
gun store t rex is with small arms, yes, but
I guess I mean smaller businesses that deal in firearms,
because you know, the the sale of weapons on large
scales that moves economies with friends, well, no, no doubt.
So you know, the banking system has no problem moving
(19:27):
the large production, let's say, and distribution of firearms, UM
and missiles to that matter ingreds. And that's that's how
you change the course of history is with weapons and
and you know, large scale weapons of mass instruction. Just
the threat of using them, the existence of using them,
that is what turns the tide of history. You know,
(19:49):
not to put too fine a point on it, but
that's a commodity in and of itself, of scale, you know, yes,
and and banks are very much excited about getting in
on wh maybe I don't care who wins UM in
the same way that we give you know, weapons to
other countries and then then those countries no longer our allies,
(20:10):
but yet we financed you know, they're uh in fighting
with you know anyway. They'll get me started on that,
but yeah, sure, well well okay, so I guess what
what's being said here is that perhaps banks are somehow
preventing smaller a gun shop owners or smaller manufacturers or something, um,
(20:34):
preventing them in some way from using the general banking
system that we're all aware of and used to. UM,
I don't know, I don't I haven't seen that anywhere.
I haven't researched this, but I'm certainly going to look
into it after hearing this. The The other note that
is placed here is that cannabis industry is having a
difficult time functioning within the traditional banking system, and we
(20:59):
mentioned that in our episode. Yeah, and I wanted to
actually kind of dovetail off of this one with another
call that we got, is this one about cannabis, because
I got a thing to add, but maybe i'll yeah
weight because this is this is about cannabis as well.
I thought this was interesting because it seems to be
coming from a firsthand knowledge place. So let's listen to
this one as well. Thank you for calling in here
(21:20):
we go. Hi, guys, my name is Justice. I just
finished listening to your episode about the world being cashless.
UM in Oregon and lots of other states where cannabis
is legal, and we can have legal drug deals if
you will as a dispensary. Most companies do not allow,
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especially Viso does not allow cannabis industry companies to process
money through their company, so it makes it kind of
a weird conundrum where we have getting close to cash
lest society, but an entire industry that is very large
and making a lot of money it's not allowed to
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put their cash into the cash list system. So anyways,
things are changing, laws are changing. VISA will be allowing
cannabis related industry transactions to happen hopefully soon because of
all the legislation happening. But just one of those things
to put out there is like what happens when something
is legal in one state, but our money is run
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by a countrywide, worldwide system. Is that the gray market?
How do we deal with all of that? Thank you guys.
You guys are the best. I really appreciate everything that
you put out there. Have a great day. Okay, this
is good. This is exactly what I was going to
talk about. Okay, I'm gonna take this opportunity. Uh, I'm
gonna go ahead and say it. I smoke cannabis um,
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but only in states where it's legal, right, Yeah, and
one of those states is Oregon. I've spent a lot
of I spend a decent amount of time in Oregon,
and I've been in California, and I've been to these dispensaries,
and it's really interesting the way they do business. They
bay basically are set up like their cash register system.
It's like they're in a t M. They're they're not
doing direct deals with the bank. You're giving them your
(23:10):
card and they're putting in an even amount, like let's
say your tab is fifty two seventy five or whatever,
like they'll round it to fifty and then they'll give
you back change of whatever the overage was over the
even number. And I've found out that it's because they're
literally set up as like this independent kind of a
(23:30):
t M machine. So instead of having to go to
an a t M take cash out, you're just doing
the transaction with them, and then they're have this little
cash drawer that pops out, so they give you change back.
And I don't quite understand how, but everyone I've been
to that's how it works. And they always charge you
an even amount and they sort of explain it a
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little bit but not in too much detail, and they
end up giving you back a buck fifty or three
dollars and cents in cash. Wow. Yeah, And then it
makes perfect sense because what happens when an industry, uh
exceeds the legalities of like another industry. Like right, so
we've got cannabis, which is semi legal or it's legal
(24:12):
in parts. But obviously the international banking or the international
banking system is still old school and it and it
doesn't fully recognize it has to make that choice. You know,
just because something is legal in a state doesn't mean
American banks are all going to be on board with
it and be able to say, oh, well, now, all
of a sudden, we're changing our policy to to match
up with this new change in the law for one
(24:34):
particular industry. So you know, it's the same with getting
a loan, for example, to to to start a dispensary
or what have you. That can be difficult to Oh. Absolutely,
it's it's interesting. It's it's interesting conundrum. Like she was saying,
you know, I really am fascinated by the whole way
to seeing banking catchunless she's saying, you know, now, maybe
soon you'll be able to, you know, process transactions with
(24:55):
visa directly, but that's not the case right now. So
it's all these little kind of thick is these short
term fixes. You know, I think we should do an
entire episode on the American cannabis industry, or maybe focus
on a single state or something and really analyze how
it functions, how it works, and really what affects this
industry has had on the black market of of cannabis
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in the US and how things are changing, because I
honestly don't know. We've we've touched on it a little bit,
but you know, we focused on like a cancer cure
or maybe something a little more niche within the within
the cannabis world, but how the industry functions is fascinating.
I don't want to scoop my my contact, but I
mentioned this guy to you, been in talks with the
(25:39):
with the gentleman is pitching some really great kind of
true crime ideas. And I'm not going to go into
specific because I don't want to, you know, blow up
his spot, but he has one story that's very specifically
about a particular group of black market marijuana traders that
have been in the game since the beginning or you know,
for a long time multigenerational family mari on a cartel,
(26:01):
let's call it, but for not a cartel like that,
murders people just kind of like a group of family members,
multi generation, generational that grows marijuana and is very very
good at it in a particular part of the country.
What happens when all of a sudden it becomes legal
and your black market operation that you've been running very
carefully over all of these years and passed down, you know,
(26:22):
the secrets of it, the generations, all of a sudden,
your margins are gone. You know. You you you are
kind of put out of the job because the prices
go down, you know, when it becomes more widely available
and there's not as much risk behind it. Not to mention,
there's so much law enforce there's so much corruption and
law enforcement of robbing people like this, taking their product,
(26:43):
selling it to rival. You know, I mean, there's all
you know, that stuff happens. We know that stuff happens.
And this story that I'm talking about, I can't wait
to get into it with this guy because I think
it's gonna be a real doozy um. But yeah, dude,
I want to I want to learn about that. I
want to learn what happens when Philip Morrison, these massive
tobacco companies get into the game, and you know they're
going to because there we talked about this before. They
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they're the ones that fight legalization more than anybody. Yeah,
you know, the same as with the alcohol companies, the
same with big pharma and all that. You know. I
actually spoke with Justice briefly on the phone after she
left this message because I wanted to clarify a couple
of nights, and then I edited this down a little bit.
But it is really interesting to me and I want
(27:25):
to I just want to understand when, like, will Americans
accept and I think we will in general, of course,
not not all of us, but accept a giant like
a marl Marlborough version of marijuana. Will we accept it? Yeah?
(27:45):
Like will will the market actually accepted? Will will be purchased?
They might get laughed off the block, right, Well, yeah
it might, or it might be the cheapest thing you
can possibly buy out there, and then it would have
to be the best and cheapest. They would have to
do that, you know, use their corporate mojo, figure out
how to make a product that not only is really good,
(28:07):
but it's also cheaper than everything else and put other
people out of business. And they could do that because
they have the R and D to do something like
that if they decided to go that route. But they
probably would sleep, They would probably keep it under wraps
for a long time and then roll it out. You know,
do you think just I'm gonna ask you this just
an opinion, do you think there will be a market
(28:30):
for flavored cannabis in the same way that there's a
market for the cigarettes that's being like starting to become
regulated now and like stopped. I don't think so, because
I don't know, you know, with with with cannabis culture,
it's sort of like getting a fine cognac or like
enough fine you know, batch of of of whiskey that's brewed,
(28:53):
you know, with thought and like I mean, of course
just made mass produced. But you know, people have their
favorite strains and they have their favor whatever the flavor
comes from. You know, when you get like a blueberry
cush or whatever, it doesn't actually taste like magic blueberries
or whatever. Well, what I'm asking you was like, would
that do you think that's gonna be a thing? Because certainly,
why isn't it already? What I'm saying is because these
(29:16):
these um substances like nicotine that are you know, drug
essentially like a THHC vape that has flavored components in it.
I guess one like that because it's a marketing strategy,
right for you know, whether anyone wants to admit it
or not, in marketing strategy that assists in getting a
(29:38):
younger crowd. And you don't think they've gotten so much
bad press for that that they've gotten there they're going
to lean away from that stuff from now on because
of all the jewel stuff and you know the epidemic
with vaping in schools and kids. I would think Mark,
you know, a big company wouldn't want to touch that
with a ten foot poll. God forbid, they'd be accused
of trying to hook young kids on marijuana, you know,
the Gateway drug whatever. You know. I guess it just
(30:00):
depends on how the regulation actually ends up coming down
over time. There's flavored vodka, That's what I mean. That's
all that stuff. You're right, And it just feels like
one of those things that is going to happen and
it's gonna weird me out. And my my my counter
to like, if you think this, why would this ever
happen with all the heat that's come down on like
(30:21):
jewel for example, Um, I think in five years, ten years,
anything can be essentially a slate can be wiped clean
for something like that. I think you're right. I think
you're right. Forget what I'm saying. Short memory, you know,
and and we will just make that memory even shorter. O. Great,
Let's take a quick break here and here from a sponsor.
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Then we will return with another message. All right, let's
jump to a story. Oh no, I think you're gonna
like this one. Here we go. Greetings. My name is David,
and I'm addressing anyone curious about the Q and ON subculture.
(31:06):
My father mustered out of the army at the end
of World War Two. He earned a degree in rockets
from Dynamics and spent his entire career in the aerospace industry.
He held Q clearance from the inception of that d
OE civilian classification. I didn't know this until well after
he retired, and he only confided in me things that
were already public knowledge. And that's my point. Persons with
(31:29):
that level clearance don't get there by accident, and as
sure as hell, don't go public classifications. Departmentalized and specialized
Q clearance gets you into area fifty one for specific programs,
for instance, prototyping and range testing MERV multiple independent reentry vehicles,
but that doesn't mean you get an automatic invite to
(31:52):
the Star Chamber. Simply doesn't work that way. Anyone claiming
otherwise has no credibility. The public in general and the
qun On fathers specifically need to understand that people at
that level of clearance are closely monitored. Posting on social media,
let alone for channel, is not going to go unnoticed.
(32:14):
Q clearance goes beyond top secret. They operate metaphorically speaking
in rarefied atmosphere. The subculture might not heed this, but
the rest of us should understand that we can engage
their claims with reason and not rank her. The Q
and on subculture is designed to so suspicion and divisive
(32:35):
conspiratorial nonsense. Even if someone went rogue, it's likely that
the Q and q and on doesn't exist. Mm hmm,
Now this is really interesting, David Is It seems to
have experience, at least through his family. I mean he's
(32:55):
in there talking about his father possibly worked with MERV
multiple independently targetable reentry vehicles, not to be confused with
MERV Griffin. Yeah. Yeah, and it's not really a vehicle
to rocket um that has multiple warheads inside of it.
It's bonkers looking. Um. It's it looks like you know
those incense cones that you burn from the top and
(33:16):
they kind of you know, like they're like upside like
Christmas trees or whatever. It looks like that. But it's
like a combination of that and the chamber of a
revolver almost where around the edges are like one, two, three,
or four or five, six, seven, eight nine of these,
and then in the center there's an additional one and
then that piece is encased in like you know the rocket,
(33:36):
the warhead, you know, k casing or whatever. Wow. I mean,
and it's it's an intense weapon and a technology that
must have been extremely secret when it was being developed. Um.
And it's really I mean, this guy who just called
our show his father worked on it, I guess, Um
amazing Um. And he's basically saying that someone that has
(33:59):
that level of security clearance is not going to go
on some website and leak information because that person, in
order to attain that level of clearance was vetted so
like this, there was such scrutiny put in the vetting
of that person. Um, that is highly unlikely that it
wouldn't happen, and if it did happen, it probably wouldn't
(34:20):
be through fortunes. Essentially, what he's saying, um and David
is saying that Q and On I have to go
back and listen to it again. But he's saying that
the stuff from Q and On is meant to be divisive.
I can't you know, I can't prove that that's the
reason that it's you know, Q and On became such
(34:40):
a thing, right, but it has certainly had that effect.
Can I read a thing absolutely? This is a this
is a response we got to the Q on episode
that was really interesting. Uh, Q and On, please read
and go deeper and again to your point, I feel
like a lot of this stuff is malarkey and a
lot of this stuff is kind of trumped up imagination
(35:02):
run wild um meaning attached to something that really isn't there,
but this person thinks otherwise. And in the interests of
seeing both sides, I wanted to read a couple of eggs. Email. Hi,
I just wanted to email since I expected better from
you all. I was very disappointed on this. You missed
the whole point. No mention of the Q proofs so
many that is mathematically impossible to write off as coincidence.
(35:23):
No mention that the reason Q writes the way he
does is to get people thinking. Uh. No mention of
the Q clock, Very little talk of Q post themselves,
and more focused on what people think. Q confirms when
someone gets it right. Obviously didn't look into how many
times Q has been right. No mention of Q plus
who was pretty much known to the to be the president.
(35:45):
Q as a team and you can tell by the
different writing styles. Again, you missed. The whole point of
Q is to do your own research and from your
own opinions, don't just take it from Q or from
anyone else. Also, the first post was to get people's attention. However,
while I do not put stock that Q knows the
future are sometimes he'll be wrong as time schedules change.
So okay, I'm not gonna name names of this person.
(36:08):
And I think we all respect everyone's right to have
an opinion and and and uh, you know, go down
whatever rabbit holes you choose to go down. But I
feel like a lot of this is what we're saying.
It's like you assign your own meaning as a person.
Even said it's to make you think and to do
your own research. And I don't know what about the
QUE proofs? Do you know about the Q proofs? We? Yeah,
(36:30):
I don't want to talk too much, but Ben and
I've looked into it pretty extensively, and there's more if
we ever wanted to do another episode on it. It It
just feels like a rabbit hole that I don't know
if I want to go down right. Um, that's fair,
and I think you know I we we try very
(36:50):
hard not to let our personal opinions, you know, seep
into what we do here on this show. For me,
it's so much research that is going to be required.
It's there's so much writing. And did you notice how
many things are referenced in that email that you just read,
how many different things all of those are like day's worth.
(37:12):
Each one of those is a day's worth of research
that we would need to do. Um. I don't I
don't know. Maybe maybe we can get into it. UM,
I'll just take like a vacation vental dignal. I'll just
go on vacation and it's not a vacation. It's not
a vacation which is from work, like not do any
work except for research Q and on that's called work.
(37:33):
All right, Well, I guess you're I think we need
a proper vacation to like the keys or something, you know. Okay,
Well for now, thank you for for sending that in, David,
and thank you for writing in writer there, whoever you are. Um,
we appreciate you know, we we generally appreciate criticism and
(37:55):
and we take it to heart. We get what you're saying.
We wanted to talk about Q and on on a
high level that we could all kind of get an
understanding without going too deep into the nitty gritty. All right,
let's move on to our next color. Hi, I have
something concerning about the duck population of the United States.
(38:15):
It appears that instead of floating, they have legs that
stretch to the bottom of the lake bed in which
they are resting. The world needs to know. Well, first off,
that as a terrifying image to me personally. Uh as
you know my position on on avian creatures. Uh not, Yeah,
(38:40):
that's that's just nightmare fuel right there. I don't know
if I can engage with this thought experiment. What do
you know about this? I'm just trying to imagine a
really big gaggle of ducks with these really dangly legs.
They all like hundreds of feet down and they're just
kind of budeling along is coming from caller. And then
(39:05):
somehow when they get up to fly, when they begin
to like fly off of the surface of the lake,
their legs just retract quickly or something. I don't know. Well,
I really messing with us, right, Yeah, this is a joke.
We we've've asked people to send in joke things we've
we've received one. I appreciate. I appreciate it too, but
it also I don't know how I feel about this.
(39:28):
Nightmares for you, sir, Thank you whoever you are. Thank you,
next caller, next collar. Hi, Okay. All I want to
know is what happened to the Transgenesis podcast. It never
actually came out that there were tons of ads. I
was super psyched, and it never came out. What happened.
(39:51):
This isn't a conspiracy. The show does exist and it
is absolutely fabulous. It just isn't called Transgenesis anymore. They
changed the name to the Second oil Age, which is
a little bit more of a thematic quality that the
show represents um from the genius mind of our friend
and yours, Mr Robert Lamb and also beautiful, beautiful sound
(40:11):
designed by Alex Williams. I play a character named tex
Americana or text America, excuse me, and I get to
do my best Alex Jones voice. It's very so if
you want to hear, hear me um bloviating and popping
blood vessels in my temples. I really gave it my
all on that performance. So check out. The second oil
(40:33):
age is out and full. You can binge the whole
thing now on uh the I Heart Radio app, Apple podcasts,
or anywhere you get podcasts. Yes, this is not a commercial.
This is just happened to come up. Um. I'm also
in that show too, and it's officially on my slate,
my slate. Um, I really really enjoy it. The whole
season is available, so go listen right now. Just listen
(40:56):
to your podcast on the Smiling Face Killers. There's a
podcast US called Radio Rental. One of the guys recounts
the story and he thinks that they were trying to
kidnap him, like he thinks that that's who tried to
kidnap him was the so called quote unquote Smiling Face Killers. Say,
(41:17):
but that's funny. Oh wow, I know, which I know
exactly what he's talking about. Yeah. I I haven't listened
to the whole series yet, but caller uh you may
have already founded by now. I don't know when this
voicemail was from, but we did a fantastic interview with
our buddy Payne Lindsay Uh, the executive producer and host
of Radio Rental, and really got some cool insight into
(41:40):
how he found these stories. He gave us some of
the background from some of these crazy, kind of weird
Reddit threads that he went down to to get this stuff,
and just how a show like that comes together. Um,
and there's some hearing it from him and hearing how
the stories affected him. I thought was a really cool
uh entry point entry way into into the show, which
I think is quite good. UM. So yeah, and I
(42:00):
actually it's funny that this color mentioned this. I had
actually texted Pain and specifically asked him if that episode
or if this story it's in episode three by the
way of Radio Rental, if you want to listen to
it's the last story in that episode. UM. I asked
him if he thought it might be connected to the
Smiley Face serial killer at all, and he was like dude, Yeah,
(42:23):
we like the guy thinks that and it like seems
to match up. Just quickly give you an overview of
the story. Dude is out with his friend at a
bar drinking, who's telling the story. A woman comes up
to them at the bar. She's clearly got this like
long red hair that seems like maybe a wig or
just isn't like than her natural hair color. She's talking
(42:45):
them up. She's buying them drinks, like spending a lot
of money on them, buying them drinks. His friend our storyteller.
His friend gets very, very drunk, and at the point
when he is so intoxicated, this woman talks begins flirting
with him only the guy who's incredibly intoxicated, and then
is trying to get him to come home with her
(43:06):
and leave the other friend, who is not so drunk behind. Uh.
Our our protagonist helps his friend get into a car,
sends him home back to his house. This guy gets
into a cab with the woman and they go buy
more alcohol. She's trying to get him to drink more.
He's fascinated and he wants to know what her game is, essentially,
(43:29):
so he wants to play along with it and just
see like, what's happening. He's feigning drinking more on his
way to this other house. They get to the house
and they walk up to it and the door is open,
the front doors open. She's been gone from her house.
The front doors just open. She goes in. He finds
it to be very weird. He thinks he hears somebody
(43:51):
else talking in the house. She keeps telling him he's
there alone, it's just going to be the two of them.
He hears her clearly talking to somebody. He says he's
to go to the bathroom, throws up all the alcohol
that he can while he's in this house. Then he
hears in the bathroom a third person talking and specifically
mentioning like you do it. No, you do it, you
(44:12):
do it. So he's terrified for his life and he
ends up escaping because he believes that they're going to
do harm to him. And when we talked about the
series the Smiley Faced serial killings, it was all athletic
young men out drinking at a bar or at a
game or doing something and then they wind up dead,
you know, missing, then dead in the body. That's interesting
(44:36):
and it just feels like this might this guy might
have encountered a group or the group that was doing that,
And you know, gosh, when I wouldn't be so like
skeptical of the concept of some of these drownings having
been murders, but I guess it's the idea of it
(44:58):
being a serial killer at being like a specific group
of people, like was it a club of some kind
of Like again, I think this is such good fodder
for like a comic or something, or like a really
cool screenplay of surprise, no one's done this yet, Like
maybe there's some interesting ritualistic reason behind doing this or whatever,
you know, or some kind of fetishistic thing. I think
(45:18):
it's fascinating. I think it got debunked enough in the
materials that we found for that episode in terms of
just like the too much happenstance, too much coincidence in
in the replacement of these smiley faces. At the very least,
that's a red herring, right, the smiley faces, because it's
just such a ubiquitous graffiti symbol. And most of these
(45:38):
people were found in bodies of water where there's like
retaining walls that are going to be tagged up or whatever.
And it was it was a relatively low number of
of of Happy Faces, and in my opinion it is
likely not connected. But it's also impossible to completely discount
at this point because we have so so little information.
Um well that's really interes things. So check out Radio Rental.
(46:01):
It's episode three. See what you think in see what
you think about the episode in connection with our episode
on the Smiley Face Killer. Oh, I'm gonna play one
last one here before we go, and then we'll just
just say goodbye. It's really quick because it actually has
to do with the Smiley Face Killers. Hi. My name
is Ezra. I live in North Carolina. I just finished
(46:23):
the Smiley Face episode, the Serio Killer episode, and I
have a very similar story that I would like to share.
In two and twelves, I was in high school in Charlotte,
North Carolina, and I had a friend and her name
was Kayleie Campbell and December one, she went missing. She
(46:44):
called her mom and told her she was on her
way home and then never came home. And then seven
days later they found her body at the bottom of
a pond. They said that she had finished the rest
of her antidepressant medication, jumped into the pond and drowned.
The medical examiner ruled it as an accidental dramming. But
(47:04):
a few months after, maybe it was a year after
I came across this article on Alternate Dimensions dot net,
which isn't necessarily a very reputable source, but they mentioned
someone called the Lewis Clark Valley serial Killers, who has
(47:25):
apparently been active since the sixties. I haven't done too
much research on it, but it's very easy to find
this stuff on Google. Just her name is Kayla Campbell.
She went missing on December one. They found her body
on December seventh, two thousand twelve. Honestly, until you mentioned
that it was mostly men being affected by the my
least a serial killers, I was almost expecting you to
(47:47):
mention this story specifically, even though it's such a small
story and only my own tiny town outside of Charlotte
really knows what happens. Do you want to do some reasearch?
Is out there? Have a good night? Interesting? Yeah, I'm
actually looking at w BTV. They've got a website wbtv
dot com and it's got an article about Kayla Campbell,
(48:09):
and I mean, it's really tragic, it's awful, but now
we know, now we're gonna look into this I'm personally
gonna look into this and think about it in connection
with the Smiley Face serial killer or you know killers
alleged killers, and also the Lewis Clark Valley serial killer.
I've never heard of that, and now I'm looking into this.
(48:30):
It looks like it was something and eight two in
northern Idaho. That's where that's where it occurred. There's several
missing people. Wow, Okay, we're gonna look into both of
those things. Um, we're gonna see see what. Oh it
looks like oddest tool was implicated in this. Oh man,
(48:50):
this is a really interesting. Okay, we're gonna We're gonna
this is probably gonna be a whole episode. I think
that's smart. Um, and I think we can probably put
the kaibash on this episode for today. All right, I mean,
I know we got what did you say? You had
like two hundred more of these that you haven't sifted through,
and you get such a fine job with these. Man,
these are some really good ones. Yeah, there are a lot.
(49:12):
I apologize if you've received a call from these, gonna
be the year of no apologizing. Okay, no it's not actually,
but if you have received a strange call or if
you do receive a strange call from a number that
you don't know, it might be me, so pick up
or don't. Every once in a while will be a
(49:33):
robocaller and they'll be like, this is the Sheriff's department
and we're looking for donations. Yeah, that's is your name?
Spam risk? Yeah? No, I honestly have no idea what
it's gonna look like on your color I D when
you call it. I'd love to figure that out. Because
you use the thing, like the service or whatever. You
you call them back using the interface for whatever it is. Yes,
(49:55):
this is called what's the name of the service we
use ringing Central. This is a disclaimer out there. This
is a warning if you do call uh, it goes
to my phone, my personal phone, and I can see
the number that you called me from. And generally I
call people back if possible, to let them know that we're,
you know, going to use their audio um and just
(50:18):
to thank them because we appreciate it very much. I
gotta say, Matt, after this one, I'm always a little
skeptical about these, but after this one, well, I think
we should do these a little more often. So we
so we don't end up with his backlog because there's
so many good ones. I yeah, I agree. I think
I really enjoyed talking with you about this Ben Void
over there. Um, he's just making this inward hissing sound.
(50:40):
It's very lynch in and it's making me incredibly uncomfortable.
But uh, it reminds me. I just saw Tim and
Eric in their Mandatory World tour last night. Uh my gosh,
you guys. Uh it very much reminds me of the
Black Void over here. With Ben. It is just insane.
It is insane and hilarious and I couldn't recommend it more.
(51:01):
I saw on cinema it was it was just him
and Neil Hamburger and that's what it was named. Gregg
Turkington and Amelio Estevez's father was in it. But that
was one of the coolest live things I've ever seen,
comedy things I've ever seence, I'm very jealous. I'm sure
they go all out for the awesome show live. Um, hey,
did you see it in your town? Let us know
you can. You can check us out on social media
(51:23):
where either Conspiracy Stuff or Conspiracy Stuff show one of
those or the other. Um, if you want to check
me out as an individual human person. You can find
me on Instagram at how now Noel Brown, Ben Void
is not going to call it his social handles today,
but you you you remember, and if you did happen
to check his out right now, you might get a
sense of where the corporeal bend form is lurking. And
(51:47):
I'll tell you it's pretty interesting stuff. Although you have
no idea when we recorded this or how or where. Well,
that's true, the stories might have all expired by that.
He only yeah, he's he's been. Uh. Corporeal Ben is
pretty exclusively stories on Instagram, so those those have a
shelf life. Um, Matt, you're what you are? You still
(52:07):
Maddie two hands hs W and it's uh, I think
it's Matt Frederick underscore. I heard it certainly is I
tagged Did you see that picture I tagged you in? Uh?
It was from the Dan Harmon trip. It was my
friend Matt took a picture on his like instacs camera
and I tagged you in. Ben's very sexy picture of
you guys, So you got that underlighting like gade me
(52:29):
feel like I looked terrible? So I didn't. That's how
you looked awesome man, you look like some sort of
sci fi cyberpunk hero. Um. If you don't want to
do any of that, you can also, obviously, you can
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(52:51):
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