February 22, 2023 • 56 mins
Is an out-of-the-way ruin in South Africa the oldest human structure on the planet? Or did something other than humans build it? These are the rumors surrounding a place sometimes called Adam's Calendar -- but how do the rumors compare to the facts? Join Ben and Matt as they dive into the story of strange historical ruins.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is
riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or
learn the stuff they don't want you to know. A
production of iHeartRadio. Hello, welcome back to the show. My
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name is Matt. Our colleague Nol is not here, I know,
but he will be returning shortly. They call me Ben.
We're joined as always with our superproducer Paul Mission controlled decade.
Most importantly, you are you, You are here, and that
makes this the stuff they don't want you to know. Matt,
it is so good to be back. I have no
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idea what time it is, but we've got we've got.
We've got a great episode today, and I thought, maybe
if we could, I don't want to be too sentimental,
but if we could, could we have just a moment
of remembrance for the ruins of headphones that I'm wearing
right now as we record? I think we should? You
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ready here it comes a moment of silence in honor
of Ben's headphones. There it goes all right, be a legend.
I'll like to play boys to mend yesterday. You won't
be able to hear it, Yeah, I won't be able
to hear it. I'll have to hear it, hear it
in my heart and soul. Matt. Now that so much
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time has passed, I gotta tell you, I'm pretty sure
these are your headphones or were at some point, or
maybe Casey Pegram's headphones at some point. These are so old, dude,
are they the black sendhisers? Yeah? Oh yeah, I've got
a pair of silver ones right now. Yeah, these are
nice and old too. There. These headphones were probably some
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of the first Countless members. Well, we could probably count them.
A lot of our colleagues, probably war in our early
days of podcasting. So I was telling you a nol
our group chat. I don't know if it's appropriate, but
I'm thinking if we put these in a nice like
glass box, kind of artsy frame and send it, send
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it to an iHeart corporate office. If we make a
plaque that looks nice enough, someone's going to hang it
on the wall. Yeah they will, and they should, honestly
they should. Or we could just I don't know, rub
some kind of blood and guts all over it and
send it up into the mountains. Do a one of
those one of those burials called sky barrel. Right there,
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we go yes, because because buzzards love eating Sineheiser headphones. Yeah,
that was one of their main selling points when they
came out, the headphones the vultures love. So the thing
here is if we did send this these busted headphones,
and we made a vague enough plaque, then after they
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were hanging for years and years and years, people would
start telling stories about them, and they would be doing so,
probably with totally good intentions. They heard someone else say, oh,
these headphones belong to you know, Josh and Chuck from
stuff you should know. And then as time went on,
maybe someone say, actually, these are the headphones that you
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know a legendary musician war when they did a showy
Andre three thousands, and he developed them to look exactly
like that. They're not broken. No, No, as a matter
of fact, you're broken for making that assumption. Okay, so
keep walking. We're finishing the tour. But people make stories
about things, right. People want the world to make sense,
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and we are no different on this show. It's a
big reason why we started it. So we are. We
always talked with each other off air about ideas and
about ideas that our fellow conspiracy realistic sent in and
every so often we run into something that we have
never heard of at this point, will run in at
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this point. We I think all three of us have
a pretty good spidy sense about a category or genre
of mysterious thing. But I'd say it's increasingly rare for
all of us now to hear about something and have
no idea. Correct. That happened to us pretty recently, right, Yeah,
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Our buddy Nile called in and let us know about
a thing called Adam's calendar, and it was kind of
just an aside in a larger conversation he wanted to have.
But this thing, just because we had no knowledge of it,
became a little bit of a rabbit hole for us.
And it's fascinating, y'all. Absolutely, this site, this name might
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not be familiar to everyone, or at least not by
that name, but depending on who you ask, it may
be one of the most significant struck in all of
human history. If you checked out our listener Male segment
where we mentioned this and we love it. If you
do check out those shows, we always have a lot
of fun. Then you listeners at home may have heard
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Matt Nye sprinkling in some caveats and as people who
who talk on air pretty constantly. It can be difficult
for us to hold back stuff when we know we
want to do an episode on it. So you might
have sent some hesitation or some ellipses while we're talking
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and we're saying, well, people claim it's the oldest structure
on the planet, and then there's a pause and one
of us is like, agreed, people do claim that. Moving on. Yeah,
in storytelling, you generally don't want to give away the
entire ending right up at the top, which is, you know,
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unless you're doing a memento thing. Oh yeah, you can
show like the very last moment and then you're like,
but what happened? Then you go back to the beginning.
You're probably wondering how I got here? So yeah, this, okay,
here are the facts. We know. History can be pretty tricky, Matt,
you and I were. I think the best example you
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and I ever found of the trickiness of history comes
in the story of the City of Troy, right, which
centuries and centuries was assumed to be an allegory or
assumed to be a complete work of fiction, until one
guy rediscovered it and proved that this was a real place.
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Lost civilizations are a real thing. Humanity is great at
losing stuff. It's not just you and your smartphone or
your car keys. Don't feel bad in a very real way.
You are not alone, and other people have lost way
bigger things. And the further we travel back from the
present day twenty twenty three as we record this, the
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harder it is to learn specifics about almost anything a
given artifact, right like the Shroud of turin which I
don't know if we ever did an episode on, or structure,
or even an entire culture. You know, no one knows
what happened to the ancient sea people's that's a true story.
No one knows exactly why everything in one part of
the world collapsed during the Bronze Age. We just know
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things went sideways. And like we said, Earth is hungry.
It eats stuff. It's just the sad fact that the
majority of ancient human culture is irretrievably lost. Oh yeah,
it is because forests and all kinds of vegetation just
eats that stuff, doesn't matter what you made it out of,
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it'll eat it and then it just becomes some stones.
And in the case of our story today, we are
talking about stones spoiler alert, lots and lots of stones,
which you know, they'll stick around for quite a while.
They do tend to move a little bit when the
softer stuff below them moves. But if you've got let's say,
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a standing stone structure like Stonehenge, it will stick around. Yeah.
That's that's something that I think a lot of us
wish we had known earlier as kids, you know, reading
the Time Life, Mysteries of the Unknown books and all
that kind of stuff, which I love and still reread.
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Very few people point out that the reason so many
ancient structures are made of stone is because they are
the ones that are still around today. There was a
bunch of other stuff, quite sophisticated architecture, but it happened
to be of reads. It happened to be of wood,
you know. And it's a real three little pigs of
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you know thing that history has been doing for a
long time, you know, right. Yeah, And that's why things
made of bones, which are organic matter, even those can
be eaten by the hungry, hungry planet upon which we live.
So when you see things like the pyramids at Giza,
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or Stonehenge, or any number of ancient structures, you have
to remember you're seeing a very small percentage of what
was a thriving world. And these things now do not
look anything like they did in their heyday. You're looking
at remnants, right, some in better condition than others. And
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when you look at these remnants, if you were like
countless people throughout the millennia, you have tried to understand
who would have gone to all that trouble and why why?
You know what I mean, there were grocery stores living,
just surviving, not even thriving, was a full time job.
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And so you look at these structures and you you
have to think, I mean, it's weird and as weird
and petty as it sounds, you have to think, how
did they schedule this? Like, how did they cooperate? How
many people did this take? What did they use right?
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What could have what could have motivated someone so much
so that they would have cooperated with hundreds or even thousands,
thousands of other people to build something like this, knowing
that every minute they were doing that, they weren't out hunting, gathering,
rearing children, all all the hits, you know. Besides, I
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guess the I don't know kind of easy answer of
they were forced to do it by somebody who said,
I'll kill you if you don't build this temple, which
seems to be kind of common in the past. Yeah,
help us build this monument to our odd who has
revealed this construction in a dream to me. Yeah cool,
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that's a good story, man. But I don't believe in
your God. Then build it or I will kill you. Yes,
Is that easier for you? Yeah, I'm now newly converted. Right,
we need to make this monument in the hero and now, well,
I don't care about the hero it now then see me,
I am here, I am now. I gotta stop rereading
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Black Monday murders. It's sad. I'm like, I'm subscribed to
forms to let me know the latest news when the
issues coming, Well you just you let me know, and
then I'm getting going to that's delegation. Yeah. So so,
but now we're talking about these stories, right, and it's
very understandable thing. You know, despite all the rumors about
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places like Stonehenge or the Pyramids or what has been
called by a few Adams calendar, we can confirm the
most important part these things are old. That bird is true.
These are all very very old. Yes. In the case
of the Pyramids of Giza. We're talking about a construction
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period somewhere between two thousand, five hundred and fifty years
BC to two thousand, four hundred and ninety years BC.
And just remember those numbers do count down because you're
counting backwards to zero, which then goes into the common era.
Interesting stuff. Yeah right, it's tricky too, And so Stonehenge
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would weigh in somewhere with a construction period of somewhere
between three thousand BC to twenty five hundred BC. Still
both very very old, and like you said, Matt, accounts down.
But you've heard of these structures before. You may have
even seen videos or heard podcast episodes on these that
we have recorded, may have even seen Ancient Aliens episodes. Yeah,
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and we've made no secret that there are some serious
problems with a lot of ancient alien theories, not all,
and we're not saying that they're made in bad faith
or the people who do it are drifters or anything
like that, but there are a lot of assumptions in
those and personally, I feel like it's safe to say
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on our show we would prefer History Channel lean into
explaining some of the problems, some of the plot holes
in those stories or you know, just history in general
or just history in general. Yeah, which is not a
static thing. It is a conversation. It is also, to
a high degree malleable. And the people who control the
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past control the present and therefore the future. Yeah. So okay,
so you know about stone innge folks. We know about
the pyramids. They're awesome. A lot of the more breathless
claims about them, of course, have not been proven, but
a lot of serious questions remain about the motivation to
build them, some of the methods used, etc. And you
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can see some great research on these right now, like,
if you've got some time to kill, go find go
find people reconstructing the ancient means folks used to make
megalithic structures, right or Dolman or whatever. And today's show
is thematically related to that, because those are the most
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well known examples. But Adam's calendar Matt is not something
that a lot of people have heard about. I think, no,
it is not. And let's just get this out of
the way. When we say Adam, we're not talking about
your friend you grew up with and went to elementary
school with. No, we're talking about Adam from Adam and Eve.
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The biblical story of the first man pre belly button
guy that Adam, the fig leaves and the shame, and
a complicated relationship with snakes, that and his kids and
his partner. It's just a lot of layers to Adam.
And so apparently he had this calendar or it was
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there's someone who named this site in modern day South
Africa Adams Calendar. It's remote. It is not something that
you can just easily immediately visit from the Johannesburg airport,
but there is definitely something there. If you go to
the Mumpumlanga province in South Africa, then you will see
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that this site is not protected by an electric fence,
by high security, nor a government nor a corporation. It's
just out there on one side of a valley, near
the ancient side of a river. And if you're in
the area, you can go visit it, but you're going
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to want to plan your trip. Yeah, there is. I
did find a small place you can rent. There's a
house I think pretty close to it, just a couple
of roads over found. I found that. I'm looking into it. Yeah,
I'm on board. I'm on board. Look, I'll keep track
of that comic book we like, And could you just
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produce the Trip to South Africa? Easy? Got it right? Yeah,
we're gonna rope any Reese into it because I know
she's been there. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah yeah. And that's
Annie Reese, our dear friend from Sminty and from the
Savor podcast, both of which are great. Do people know
what Sminty is? Stuff? Mom never told you? Oh my gosh,
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we're doing jargon just like colts. We're doing acronyms just
like governments. Stuff. Mom never told you. Yes, And shout
out to the creator, Christine Togger. And so Nat, let's
talk about Adams count. Let's use the name Adam's Calendar
for now, because that's how you and I initially learned
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about it. How old is Adam's Calendar? How does it
stack up in comparison to the Pyramids or in comparison
to Stonehenge. Well, it really really depends on where you
look online and on whose research those numbers are based,
because you can find some people claiming that it's only
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about five hundred years old. Some people say it's a couple,
you know, fifteen hundred, couple thousand years old, Others saying
it's around seventy five thousand years old. Seventy five thousand
years old, this would put it well before the Pyramids,
well before the world's favorite hinge. First glance, you know,
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to the untrained eye or even the academic eye. Honestly,
if you're just looking at it for the first time,
you can confirm it looks ancient. We found some great
descriptions of it from an outfit called the Heritage Portal
in an article written by Peter Dulias, Tim Mags and
Alex Schumann, and it was thinking maybe we lean on
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them a little bit to describe the site, because they
paint a beautiful picture of how you get to the
countryside in a pretty rural area. You know it maybe
suburban in a few decades, but right now it's pretty rural,
and you'll hit a vista and you start to see
in the distance something breaking up that pastoral low sweep
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of the valley. Oh. Yes. In this book they describe
driving through Mapamlonga looking out, as you said, Ben, and
seeing something remarkable. That's how they put it. You'll see
fragments both large and small, of buildings in stone or
like parts of buildings. Right they're near the sides of
the road. They're further away up in the hills, down
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in the valleys below, but you're starting to see them
everywhere you look. Right, It's not just one thing. It's
not one old building or something. There are no roofs,
there are no clear you know, entry ways or windows
of course by this point in history, so you might
not immediately think these are dwellings, but you can tell
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those rocks didn't just happen naturally. Somebody made them exactly.
I'm just gonna give you a little further quote here, Ben,
because they describe them as endless stone circles set in
bewildering mazes and linked by longstone passages that cover the
landscape below. And that, to me is just that picture
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in my mind, circles attached through some kind of maybe roads,
maybe some kind of At some point it was a
there was a dome to those walkways or something like.
Why was all that stuff? Without knowing anything, my mind
starts to just travel off into all the different possibilities
right right. And this is the time when you start
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reading the primary sources and the scholarly papers and realizing
how much terminology you have forgotten from school days. At
least that's the case. I think many of us find
ourselves in. These folks also note something really important. The
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site is huge, and when you're dealing with things on
that scale, if you're just standing on the ground, regardless
of your height as an individual, you're going to have
a tough time grasping the entirety of the structure. Right.
That's why they say, That's why they imply you need
to get a bird's eye view. If you study the
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views provided by Google Earth. They see you can you
can see it here, which we've confirmed you can. You
can get a sense of the heartland of this world.
And they talk about how these structures enact over ten
thousand square kilometers of the Pomologa Escarpment into again a
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very complex, very sophisticated web of stone walls what appear
to have been at least partially stone buildings. How big
is this thing because it feels like, you know, when
you hear about other ancient megalithic structures like Stonehenge. Stonehenge
is something with a road you can drive by it, right,
and it's it's kind of a specific, discrete site. There's
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just the one thing called Stonehenge. Yes, there's not six
or seven stonehenges, but we do know the currectly if
I'm wrong here, Ben, I think as a part of Stonehenge,
there are several other nearby sites that are just a
distance away. There's nothing connecting them. And yes, there's some
kind of similarity here where there's a great distance between
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some of these what do the stone structures with the
walls and the things we're describing there, there's some place
where it's just so far away from the next one,
and then others where it just seems like they were
all built right together. So yes, Sorr, I'm getting a
little distracted here, Ben. The entirety of all those structures,
if you're driving through it is said to run one
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hundred and fifty clicks north to south and about fifty
kilometers wide. Ben, remind us what a click is. Click
is a kilometer. It's what we it's what we do,
so we don't feel like we're saying kilometer too often.
And it sounds cool, right Like. I don't know if
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anybody grew up with military in your family, but whomember
it was that was an older figure in your family
who was in the military, If they ever describe something
in terms of clicks. It just sounded so cool, right.
Can I tell you what I thought it was when
I was growing up. You know, when you watch radar
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go around in like an eighties movie or seventy you know,
just older movies, like the radar going around in a circle,
I always thought it was one move over on the radar. So, like,
whatever that distance is for the standard for a radar,
I thought that's what a click was. I'm not smart.
Oh no, that's you know what. Let's just start let's
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start describing things in clicks, but not as kilometers. Okay, cool,
let's just never explain it. But but yeah, you raise
a great point here, because that site, you know, one
hundred and fifty kilometers or like ninety three something miles
or whatever. This is huge, and Adam's calendar exists within
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that structure. However, however defined, it's on one side of
a steep valley by a river, and that placement makes
a lot of sense because historically humans have always sought
to live by sources of water. It's a great way
to get sustenance, it's great for trade routes, especially in
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earlier eras, and you know, honestly, just rivers look nice.
Living by a body of water when the weather is
on your side, it can be really relaxing. You're absolutely right.
And let's tell people the name of that river. It's
the Blowbush Crawl River and that's what all of these
stone ruins are named after her. So the Blowbush Crawl
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stone Ruins. And this is how you spell it. If
you want to look it up b L A A
U b O s h k R A A L
you can find it. And you can even find it
on Google Maps and look at a bird's eye view
of this thing. I would highly recommend Google Earth because
you can really scan across the area pretty effectively and
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look at what you can see these on the ground. Yeah,
you absolutely can, and it's worth checking out. You know,
Google isn't perfect, but Google Earth is just a fascinating
piece of software and it shows you how far how
far surveillance has come. Like try that street view or
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try that game where you just tried you attempt you
get a random picture from street view and you attempt
to guess where it is in the world. Oh wow,
some people are really good at that. I've seen I've
seen some YouTube bids. I just really just hover over
a groom lake for way too long, just kind of
look around, keep it and refresh just in case. So
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we are going to pause for word from our sponsors
and a little bit of refreshment, and then we're going
to get back to Adam's Calendar and the many other
names it has, and we're going to try to separate
some fact from fiction. And we've returned. So this site
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has garnered a lot of attention in recent decades. I
think we can skip the idea of what it was
quote unquote discovered, because truthfully, a lot of times when
you hear about something being discovered, it means it was
the first time that someone not in the local community
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came across it. Right, you're absolutely correct, But can we
talk about how that person feels like they discovered it
or thinks they discovered it? Yeah, that's a good covey. Yeah, yeah,
let's go with that, because we're talking about looking at
this stuff from a satellite view, right and being able
to get the scope. But when you're driving through it's
kind of hard even at first to tell if you're
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actually seeing stone sites that are all connected together or
are they all separate or what is that stuff? But
if you can see it from above, like the two
people were about to talk about, did they put it
together and felt like they discovered something new, something hidden? Yeah,
And these folks might be called fringe researchers by some
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and they're part of the very out there claims you
might hear about who built these ruins and why. And
I think the most well known of those claims come
from a guy named Michael Tellinger, who is a politician
and author in South Africa who co wrote a book
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about this that kind of functions as the primary source
for a lot of people who believe there's something far
out of the ordinary about this site, something extremely special. Right,
it has more meaning to it than meets the eye. Yeah,
there's like almost code in how the stones are laid out.
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This person, Michael Tellinger, he worked with Johann Heen, I
think is how you would say it H E, I
N E. And these guys just well, I guess we
can just say what it is, but let's preface it
with their ideas appear to be very closely based on
the concepts put forward by Zechariah's stitching. The concepts that
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were kind of alluding to at the beginning here that
aliens or extraterrestrials may have had some involvement in ancient civilizations,
including whoever it was that built this Adam's calendar structure. Right, Yeah,
this will be familiar to anybody read books like Chariot
of the Gods by Eric van danikin Twelfth Planet, Twelfth Planet,
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the planet beyond Neptune, Neberu, and so on. Yeah. Zecharia
Stitchen is of that of that school of thought, and
in his case, he if I recall it right correctly.
One of his big platforms, or one of the big
planks of his platform, is the idea that ancient human
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Sumerian culture was created by a non human intelligence or
inspired by a non human intelligence, which are now the
legendary Anunaki, right and Nephelim and so on, and that
they actually come from a planet beyond Neptune, which would
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be Nimburau. There you go, and Nibrew's coming back. Oh yeah,
oh yeah, it's always coming back because it's because of
its multi thousand year orbit around the Sun. Stitching, by
the way, is very well known in his space. Before
his death in twenty ten, he sold millions and millions
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of copies of His work translated into multiple languages and
inspired a lot of people, and so some Intellinger's skeptics
will say that Stitching also heavily inspired him. Tellinger's book
claims that the ruins are actually three hundred thousand years old,
which would make much much older than anything I did.
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I didn't, Ben, I just have to tell you in
what I was like, Yeah, I didn't even see that number.
I saw. I think one hundred and sixty as the
maximum that was reported. I guess where I was looking.
Three hundred thousand years Well, then that might be another
story people are telling, right, the specifics change and yeah,
you know what again, we have to be careful about
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that psychological phenomenon anchoring, because you hear a wild number
like three hundred thousand years old, and all of a
sudden you start to think, oh, the Pyramids and Stonehenge
aren't that impressive. They very much are. There's still those things.
They're still also really really old, but probably beyond the
scale of human imagining right to really grasp that span
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of time. So let's not dunk on, let's not dunk
on our previously popular ancient sites. Well, because this one's
just supposedly might be three hundred thousand years old, according
to these authors. Right, just so. And these authors and
other people who agree with them have also claimed to
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have found the motivation for building this stuff, the purpose
behind it, which, as we established, is like the big
question why go to all this trouble in their mind.
It's a multifunctional thing. It is an ancient calendar, but
not just that, yes, not just that at all. It's
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an ancient calendar that looks at things like equinoxes and solstices,
and it's able to use it the shadows of the
sun to determine all that stuff. And it's also aligned
to based on O'Ryan up above. It's also based there
are several other things that made it super special, this
true north south, true west east, and there are a
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couple other alignments that you make it a calendar and
a clock and a bunch of other things. But they're
also saying it's connected in some way to lay lines,
or is it lay lines, or is it just some
other type of line that spans across the earth that
does connect to ancient sites like the Pyramids of Giza
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and other old places. Right, it's if not lay lines,
it's a very similar argument to lay lines, right, that
there's a larger structure that ancient humans either created or
learned to use, right the same way that ancient societies
learn to use rivers for trade. So the other big
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thing in addition to aliens that people find controversial is
the idea that Adams Calendar in particular and the site
overall served as part of a kind of Eldridge power grid,
a big network across southern Africa that somehow harnessed and
channeled power way before humanity first learned to use electricity.
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WHOA how cool would that be? If that was wrong?
That would be amazing. Like, look, I'll give you a story.
What if Earth is a machine? Right? We think it's
got this mantle and this crust and this core and
all this stuff. What it's a machine, I'll moonfall And
the nature of this machine as you get outwards towards
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the crust of it, the place that's organic, you've actually
got these like ridges that go all the way around
the Earth. I'm trying to imagine something that it would
look like a ridge, like imagine a ball. But then
it's got these ridges that go out about an inch
and on each of those ridges that go around. You could,
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you know, put something in the ground and you got power. Baby,
but you got to be on the ridge. Okay, too
out there? Sorry, No, no, I like it because because
you know that's oh and it's done, Ben, It's done
because the creators of the Earth who made that machine,
they knew they had to limit the number of human
beings they were on the planet, right right, so they
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would only exist around those ridges, and then nature would
be able to grow in between them. Baby. Yeah. And
this is a watertight theory. Oh it is. What can
I say? You can submerge it. I feel like you've
nailed it. I feel like you figured it out. And
if we can just confirm even a piece of that,
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then it is. Yeah. Yeah, it would make it the
most important site in human history. So is it true?
Here's where it gets crazy. No, no, now not the no,
Matt's theory has not yet been fully investigated. Oh yeah, yeah,
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we have to. We have to do a lot more
due diligence and get our hands around the globe and
you know, start digging into the planet. Various plays. I say,
we do it. But if you're talking about just Tallenger's ideas,
then you're going to quickly run into a problem. The
research on this and I'm trying to be diplomatic here,
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the research on the site is a house divided. There
are two camps. One group, like Tallenger, makes a lot
of claims that are pretty difficult to verify. And on
the other side you have a ton of historians and
archaeologists local and from across the globe who have a
much different narrative. And there's right now seems to be
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supported by the bulk of the objective evidence. Yeah, it
should be pointed out that you can find it all
everywhere online. Allegedly, Tallenger hired some amateur to give him
a date about how old this structure was, and that's
where the original age of the structure came from, which
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was stated as seventy five thousand years. Yeah, exactly. And
experts in the in the academic camp believe they also
knew who built this structure, the Baconi civilization boko in I. Yeah,
and that's not just Adams Kelenard. That's the entirety of
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those blow Bush crawl ruins. There were one hundred and
fifty cliques north and south then fifty kilometers wide. Yeah,
they believe that it was created in a series of
phases in the sixteenth century, and a lot of a
lot of the current conjecture argues that these structures were
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either built as a way to keep cattle like cattle enclosures,
or a way to mark out various territorial boundaries. We
do know it's it's a pretty complex structure from what
we can tell. And look, it's also quite possible that
a few aliens may have decided to play cowboy, right
(37:05):
maybe but maybe, But if they did, they left no
record of anything other than human activity there. Yeah. Well,
it's also thought that some of the stones that exist
there that kind of resemble roads may have been terraced
structure like terrace where you could either plant something or
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keep smaller animals within, like the certain area. There's a
really great research that's been done into this thing, and
it shows a pretty robust life for people who were
living out there in large numbers sure pastoral agricultural communities.
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They had thriving industries, and they were connected to larger
networks of completely different communities, and they most likely did
use that river as a way of engaging in trade.
The site itself seems to be built in three rough phases,
and the phases of construction tell a story over time.
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In the third phase, it seemed that things have been
escalating for a while. Rival communities appear to have invaded
what was traditionally the land of the Boconi, and instability
across the region was pushing these groups into territory, right
into competition for all the resources you could imagine. So
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the Buconi are believed to have responded by building something
that a few scholars have called the equivalent of refugee settlements.
Oh yeah, oh yeah. And it's not like they were temporary,
like you know, it was an invading army that came
in over the course of a week or something like that.
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They built these structures to last a long time, as
in the leaders at least saw an ongoing problem that
needed to be addressed. And this is one of the answers. Yeah,
the mcconey were an advanced, sophisticated group. They definitely knew
what they were doing when they were constructing this stuff.
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And again, they were regional players, particularly in the food
industry of the day. You could say they function kind
of as a regional breadbasket. And it seems that they
quite likely traded agricultural products for other goods, or even
luxuries like ivory, you know, the stuff they didn't have.
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Similar to our conversations about Ukraine. Yeah right, there's always
conflict Ultimately, I'm just gonna say it again, does come
down to resources. The window dressing might change, the brand
name might change, but if you open the box and
look inside, the conflicts are about who gets what material
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And look, history is closer than it appears in the
rear view mirror. The BACONI seem to have used these
structures all the way up into the eighteen thirties, which
is a long time for groups of people to live
in a single place, and they were abandoned during this
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wave of catastrophic warfare and subsequent migration. So aside from
the house you mentioned, Matt and some other buildings in
a nearby town, people aren't living on this site today.
So that also makes it easier if you come along
in recent decades. That also makes it easier to kind
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of put your own meaning on the site, right, to
lend your own spin in perspective, because it's not like
somebody's going to walk out of there and say, what
are you doing in my yard? Those people are long gone,
but still eighteen thirties, very very recent. And these things
are definitely old. But are they I don't think so.
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I don't know. I don't think so either. And we
should just point this out to a lot of the
recent interest in this or even let's say the most
fervent interest in this site only starts around nineteen, like
late nineteen forties, post World War Two. That's when a
lot of that's when a lot of historians, archaeologists are
(41:24):
actually looking at this place, taking data, doing the hard
science or doing the hard science that lends to the
social science of you know, trying to understand what people's
were here and why. Right, Yeah, agreed, And at this point,
none of those folks have found any hard proof that
extraterrestrials participated in this construction. What it seems to what
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it seems to be is ingenious human communities leveraging the knowledge,
the experience, and the tools they had access to at
the time to try to further ensure stability for their community. Right.
And we see that some of this construction can be
thought of as reaction to other pressures social pressures, resource pressures, etc.
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But the more strange claims, even the name Adam's calendar.
The stuff it's based on is incredibly difficult to prove.
And that's not saying we know everything about these ruins.
That's just saying that of the stuff we can prove
at the time, it seems pretty clear that one camp,
(42:36):
the archaeologist, they seem to have the most supporting evidence
on their side. Now, if that changes, of course, we're
going to be first to the mat as soon as
we can with an apology, which would be an exuberant
apology on our behalf, because we always wanted something like
this to happen. But I want to believe man. But
(43:01):
we don't want to end it quite there. We're going
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(43:24):
We talked off air. We didn't want this to end
in a total downer and feel like we're just debunking everything.
These ruins are amazing. They are They are human built,
and even that fact is astonishing. The stuff people were
capable of when motivated. Think about it right now, if
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you wanted to go out and build a structure out
of stone, that is going to house you and your
family and all the cattle you're keeping, because you know,
you need food and milk and cheese and things like that. Cos, yeah,
you gotta have a place where you can plant all
your food viably. H you know, build something like that,
(44:09):
Build like move a bunch of stones, really heavy stones,
as you know, your base. And then even let's say
you wanted to create something that might even be some
kind of religious structure out of these big stones, how
are you going to do it? Right now? How are
you gonna do it? I couldn't. How are you going
to do it with you know what? For this thought experiment?
(44:32):
With access to all the information you have? Yeah, you
got everything you need, even you got your phone in
your hand. Are you still think you could do it?
I don't know? You know what? And you can ask
friends for help. M don't threaten anyone with pain of death,
but you know, yeah, don't force them to do anything.
But this, what we're saying is it's really yeah, it's
(44:56):
really tough. And this becomes even and more fascinating when
we realize that these things are far from the only examples.
There are genuinely mysterious ancient structures built to huge scales,
and some of them are so old that humanity is
(45:18):
still not exactly sure when they were built. Just for
the sake of time, let's let's look at Turkey. Turkey
has great examples, Mesoamerica has great examples. The African continent,
of course, there are so many amazing old things. Some
of the oldest are places like bon Kuklu Tarla and
(45:41):
pardon us not native Turkish speakers or go Beckley tepe.
That's that's how I always hear him say it. You
know what I'm talking about. Yeah, I know what you're
talking about, and so we'll say go Beckley, and local
archaeologists estimate this Bonkuklu Tarla region may be as much
as twelve thousand years old. Incredibly impressive. Yeah, it is, well.
(46:05):
And that's why when you're maybe first introduced to the
ancient aliens concept and someone walks you through the construction
of these things, the intricacies of the stone work often
stuff that you can't figure out really on the top
of your head unless you know you're a master stone worker,
(46:28):
or something like how could you have done that? And
even if you're a master stone worker, posing the question
how could you have done that twelve thousand years ago?
It seems to be as difficult as we've been describing
making one of these things in the modern day, right,
it would be super difficult. Then it moves too nearly impossible,
if not fully impossible to do twelve thousand years ago.
(46:50):
And that's where the ancient aliens thing just goes, Oh yeah, dude,
totally is lasers. And then you see the stories start
to split, or the speculation diverges with various concepts or
theories about why these architects are no longer around today
or acknowledged to be around, you know, and there's a
(47:13):
wide variety here. They're not all these theories agree with
each other, No, absolutely, absolutely. I just wanted to point
out that concept of like why your brain goes to
ancient alien theory and like starts to understand it and
get excited about it. It really does undercut just the
skill and intelligence of human beings that lived then in
(47:36):
those areas, right, And we just you gotta you kind
of remember that when you when your mind takes you
to that, oh fully lasers, you just remember it, right,
Because then the other question is why why did so
many buildings today not live up to those standards, right.
But again, what we're seeing or the remnants we're seeing,
(47:57):
the things that survived thousands of ye just we could
talk about them and go Beckley is something we covered
in previous episodes. It's incredibly befuddling today. Believed to have
been built somewhere between seventy five hundred to one thousand BC.
This means these structures date back to the Southwest Asian
(48:19):
Neolithic period. As you can imagine, they are themselves subjects
of numerous, numerous out their theories, and it's you know,
to a degree, you have to make theories about this
stuff because you have to figure out the best way
to research it and just have to be okay when
those theories need to be revised. These things are the
(48:41):
stories about these things rather are everything from last civilizations
that one's true people have last civilizations in the past,
to anjient aliens that one not so much, to sophisticated
temple structures for some kind of now forgotten religion that
one remains unclear. People are still arguing about the temple
thing now, well, it could be there's some researchers who
(49:01):
believed it was influenced from ancient Indian cultures that came
into Southern Africa, and then it was actually their religious
influence that caused all of these stone structures, specifically in
the area of Adams Calendar and all of those structures.
Like there are people who believe that and have written
(49:22):
about that, which it I can't I can't tell you
if it's true or not, but it doesn't appear to
be as plausible as some of the other concepts, right, Yeah,
we almost have to measure the daisy chain of if
then's right or the what ifs, and see how far
those branches go and how sturdy they remain when you
(49:45):
get really out to the edges look just like the
Adams Calendar site. These sites in Turkey are not guarded
by top secret cadres. There aren't UFOs currently in the
sky right now saying I hope no one figures this out.
Go Beckley is UNESCO World Heritage Site, and it has
been once since twenty eighteen, which still very recently and
(50:06):
has of twenty twenty one, one of the most recent
estimates we could find on the site. In particular, all
the experts agree that they have excavated less than five
percent of that site. Wow, what else can be down there?
We genuinely do not know, we being current civilization, And
(50:30):
that's where we end the episode. We don't know neither
to you, and you'll never find out. Buy No, I'm
just true. Well, well there will be stuff to find out, right,
because they're almost certainly more ancient sites out there waiting
for humanity to discover what they're certainly human ancestors built
all those millennia ago. Again, history is still happening. You
(50:54):
can go to found a neat little article on this
for the travel dot Com by Joshua I. Do And
in this the author list out a bunch of new discoveries,
some that are brand new places, some of their discoveries
of on sites that have already been well known to
(51:15):
humanity for a long time, like there's still news coming
out about POMPEII all this time after that tragic eruption.
People are still digging in there and going, oh, holy smokes. Well, though,
the one that's linked in this, at least that I'm seeing,
been It's number seventeen on the list, and it is
(51:36):
titled Golden City and lux Or, Egypt. It was buried
under sand. It's three thousand years old. They got a
lot of sand in Egypt. Also that slang, isn't it
when you say someone's got a lot of sand, You've
got a lot of sand coming in here? That is no.
I mean, I think it might be the I think
(51:58):
it might be on down to the intonation. Okay, but
it does sound like, you know, you've got some nerve.
You got a lot of sand, they said at the Pyramids,
So so yeah. You can also see Roman shipwrecks are
being discovered there. We learn more about the menu of
(52:21):
a restaurant in ancient Pompeii. This stuff is fascinating. There's
news about the Dead Sea scrolls. What we're saying is
this is a great time to be alive for any
anybody who wants to learn more about the ancient past.
There are still questions out there to be answered, and
(52:41):
there are absolutely absolutely right now lost ancient structures that
will likely be found within your lifetime as you listen
to this show. And that's where we want your help, folks.
What do you think what other ancient sites are out there?
How can we best separate rumors about them store worries
that people have embellished in the Great Game of Telephone?
(53:04):
How can we separate that from the facts, and what
can those facts tell us about the modern day? I
want to know the strangest modern structure in your local
area that you think is going to befuddle historians and
archaeologists in the future. Does that make sense? Yeah, I
want to I would like to know that too, and
(53:25):
we want pictures. Yeah, yeah, it always I think I
mentioned this on air before, but I always think about
that in cities. There's an example, right, You're driving through
a city and you see all the bridges and roads
where interstates connect. Here in Atlanta, there's a place called
Spaghetti Junction. It's a fun name, and it's just the
(53:48):
series of all these bridges crossing over. And whenever I
see stuff like that, I always like to think the
future historians. I just picture them walking around. Maybe they're robots,
maybe they're aliens, maybe the humanity two point zero. They're
they're walking around and they're saying they're looking at the
remnants of skyscrapers and overpasses, and they're going we don't
(54:09):
know much about these mysterious penis worshiping primitives, but we
do know they made structures to their gods, and they
were likely sustaining themselves based on a sophisticated network of
aqueducts which go throughout this site, even directly to what
we believe were their dwellings. Woa. Yeah, and that's how
(54:32):
roads work. But now they're just they're pinching it as
an aqueduct. So stuff like that, right, is that on
the money? Yeah? Is it Chicago that has that big silvery,
weird bean looking thing? That's yeah, Like what what are
people going to think? That is? That's why religion is
(54:53):
so often the easiest explanation the being. People of the
early of the early Anthroposine would be known for their
intense neo agricultural belief system. Oh yes, So take your
pictures and you know, come up with your your theory
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name is Matt. Our colleague Nol is not here, I know,
but he will be returning shortly. They call me Ben.
We're joined as always with our superproducer Paul Mission controlled decade.
Most importantly, you are you, You are here, and that
makes this the stuff they don't want you to know. Matt,
it is so good to be back. I have no
(00:47):
idea what time it is, but we've got we've got.
We've got a great episode today, and I thought, maybe
if we could, I don't want to be too sentimental,
but if we could, could we have just a moment
of remembrance for the ruins of headphones that I'm wearing
right now as we record? I think we should? You
(01:08):
ready here it comes a moment of silence in honor
of Ben's headphones. There it goes all right, be a legend.
I'll like to play boys to mend yesterday. You won't
be able to hear it, Yeah, I won't be able
to hear it. I'll have to hear it, hear it
in my heart and soul. Matt. Now that so much
(01:30):
time has passed, I gotta tell you, I'm pretty sure
these are your headphones or were at some point, or
maybe Casey Pegram's headphones at some point. These are so old, dude,
are they the black sendhisers? Yeah? Oh yeah, I've got
a pair of silver ones right now. Yeah, these are
nice and old too. There. These headphones were probably some
(01:54):
of the first Countless members. Well, we could probably count them.
A lot of our colleagues, probably war in our early
days of podcasting. So I was telling you a nol
our group chat. I don't know if it's appropriate, but
I'm thinking if we put these in a nice like
glass box, kind of artsy frame and send it, send
(02:16):
it to an iHeart corporate office. If we make a
plaque that looks nice enough, someone's going to hang it
on the wall. Yeah they will, and they should, honestly
they should. Or we could just I don't know, rub
some kind of blood and guts all over it and
send it up into the mountains. Do a one of
those one of those burials called sky barrel. Right there,
(02:37):
we go yes, because because buzzards love eating Sineheiser headphones. Yeah,
that was one of their main selling points when they
came out, the headphones the vultures love. So the thing
here is if we did send this these busted headphones,
and we made a vague enough plaque, then after they
(03:00):
were hanging for years and years and years, people would
start telling stories about them, and they would be doing so,
probably with totally good intentions. They heard someone else say, oh,
these headphones belong to you know, Josh and Chuck from
stuff you should know. And then as time went on,
maybe someone say, actually, these are the headphones that you
(03:25):
know a legendary musician war when they did a showy
Andre three thousands, and he developed them to look exactly
like that. They're not broken. No, No, as a matter
of fact, you're broken for making that assumption. Okay, so
keep walking. We're finishing the tour. But people make stories
about things, right. People want the world to make sense,
(03:48):
and we are no different on this show. It's a
big reason why we started it. So we are. We
always talked with each other off air about ideas and
about ideas that our fellow conspiracy realistic sent in and
every so often we run into something that we have
never heard of at this point, will run in at
(04:09):
this point. We I think all three of us have
a pretty good spidy sense about a category or genre
of mysterious thing. But I'd say it's increasingly rare for
all of us now to hear about something and have
no idea. Correct. That happened to us pretty recently, right, Yeah,
(04:31):
Our buddy Nile called in and let us know about
a thing called Adam's calendar, and it was kind of
just an aside in a larger conversation he wanted to have.
But this thing, just because we had no knowledge of it,
became a little bit of a rabbit hole for us.
And it's fascinating, y'all. Absolutely, this site, this name might
(04:52):
not be familiar to everyone, or at least not by
that name, but depending on who you ask, it may
be one of the most significant struck in all of
human history. If you checked out our listener Male segment
where we mentioned this and we love it. If you
do check out those shows, we always have a lot
of fun. Then you listeners at home may have heard
(05:15):
Matt Nye sprinkling in some caveats and as people who
who talk on air pretty constantly. It can be difficult
for us to hold back stuff when we know we
want to do an episode on it. So you might
have sent some hesitation or some ellipses while we're talking
(05:35):
and we're saying, well, people claim it's the oldest structure
on the planet, and then there's a pause and one
of us is like, agreed, people do claim that. Moving on. Yeah,
in storytelling, you generally don't want to give away the
entire ending right up at the top, which is, you know,
(05:57):
unless you're doing a memento thing. Oh yeah, you can
show like the very last moment and then you're like,
but what happened? Then you go back to the beginning.
You're probably wondering how I got here? So yeah, this, okay,
here are the facts. We know. History can be pretty tricky, Matt,
you and I were. I think the best example you
(06:20):
and I ever found of the trickiness of history comes
in the story of the City of Troy, right, which
centuries and centuries was assumed to be an allegory or
assumed to be a complete work of fiction, until one
guy rediscovered it and proved that this was a real place.
(06:45):
Lost civilizations are a real thing. Humanity is great at
losing stuff. It's not just you and your smartphone or
your car keys. Don't feel bad in a very real way.
You are not alone, and other people have lost way
bigger things. And the further we travel back from the
present day twenty twenty three as we record this, the
(07:06):
harder it is to learn specifics about almost anything a
given artifact, right like the Shroud of turin which I
don't know if we ever did an episode on, or structure,
or even an entire culture. You know, no one knows
what happened to the ancient sea people's that's a true story.
No one knows exactly why everything in one part of
the world collapsed during the Bronze Age. We just know
(07:28):
things went sideways. And like we said, Earth is hungry.
It eats stuff. It's just the sad fact that the
majority of ancient human culture is irretrievably lost. Oh yeah,
it is because forests and all kinds of vegetation just
eats that stuff, doesn't matter what you made it out of,
(07:49):
it'll eat it and then it just becomes some stones.
And in the case of our story today, we are
talking about stones spoiler alert, lots and lots of stones,
which you know, they'll stick around for quite a while.
They do tend to move a little bit when the
softer stuff below them moves. But if you've got let's say,
(08:10):
a standing stone structure like Stonehenge, it will stick around. Yeah.
That's that's something that I think a lot of us
wish we had known earlier as kids, you know, reading
the Time Life, Mysteries of the Unknown books and all
that kind of stuff, which I love and still reread.
(08:34):
Very few people point out that the reason so many
ancient structures are made of stone is because they are
the ones that are still around today. There was a
bunch of other stuff, quite sophisticated architecture, but it happened
to be of reads. It happened to be of wood,
you know. And it's a real three little pigs of
(08:55):
you know thing that history has been doing for a
long time, you know, right. Yeah, And that's why things
made of bones, which are organic matter, even those can
be eaten by the hungry, hungry planet upon which we live.
So when you see things like the pyramids at Giza,
(09:17):
or Stonehenge, or any number of ancient structures, you have
to remember you're seeing a very small percentage of what
was a thriving world. And these things now do not
look anything like they did in their heyday. You're looking
at remnants, right, some in better condition than others. And
(09:38):
when you look at these remnants, if you were like
countless people throughout the millennia, you have tried to understand
who would have gone to all that trouble and why why?
You know what I mean, there were grocery stores living,
just surviving, not even thriving, was a full time job.
(10:00):
And so you look at these structures and you you
have to think, I mean, it's weird and as weird
and petty as it sounds, you have to think, how
did they schedule this? Like, how did they cooperate? How
many people did this take? What did they use right?
(10:20):
What could have what could have motivated someone so much
so that they would have cooperated with hundreds or even thousands,
thousands of other people to build something like this, knowing
that every minute they were doing that, they weren't out hunting, gathering,
rearing children, all all the hits, you know. Besides, I
(10:43):
guess the I don't know kind of easy answer of
they were forced to do it by somebody who said,
I'll kill you if you don't build this temple, which
seems to be kind of common in the past. Yeah,
help us build this monument to our odd who has
revealed this construction in a dream to me. Yeah cool,
(11:05):
that's a good story, man. But I don't believe in
your God. Then build it or I will kill you. Yes,
Is that easier for you? Yeah, I'm now newly converted. Right,
we need to make this monument in the hero and now, well,
I don't care about the hero it now then see me,
I am here, I am now. I gotta stop rereading
(11:26):
Black Monday murders. It's sad. I'm like, I'm subscribed to
forms to let me know the latest news when the
issues coming, Well you just you let me know, and
then I'm getting going to that's delegation. Yeah. So so,
but now we're talking about these stories, right, and it's
very understandable thing. You know, despite all the rumors about
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places like Stonehenge or the Pyramids or what has been
called by a few Adams calendar, we can confirm the
most important part these things are old. That bird is true.
These are all very very old. Yes. In the case
of the Pyramids of Giza. We're talking about a construction
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period somewhere between two thousand, five hundred and fifty years
BC to two thousand, four hundred and ninety years BC.
And just remember those numbers do count down because you're
counting backwards to zero, which then goes into the common era.
Interesting stuff. Yeah right, it's tricky too, And so Stonehenge
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would weigh in somewhere with a construction period of somewhere
between three thousand BC to twenty five hundred BC. Still
both very very old, and like you said, Matt, accounts down.
But you've heard of these structures before. You may have
even seen videos or heard podcast episodes on these that
we have recorded, may have even seen Ancient Aliens episodes. Yeah,
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and we've made no secret that there are some serious
problems with a lot of ancient alien theories, not all,
and we're not saying that they're made in bad faith
or the people who do it are drifters or anything
like that, but there are a lot of assumptions in
those and personally, I feel like it's safe to say
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on our show we would prefer History Channel lean into
explaining some of the problems, some of the plot holes
in those stories or you know, just history in general
or just history in general. Yeah, which is not a
static thing. It is a conversation. It is also, to
a high degree malleable. And the people who control the
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past control the present and therefore the future. Yeah. So okay,
so you know about stone innge folks. We know about
the pyramids. They're awesome. A lot of the more breathless
claims about them, of course, have not been proven, but
a lot of serious questions remain about the motivation to
build them, some of the methods used, etc. And you
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can see some great research on these right now, like,
if you've got some time to kill, go find go
find people reconstructing the ancient means folks used to make
megalithic structures, right or Dolman or whatever. And today's show
is thematically related to that, because those are the most
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well known examples. But Adam's calendar Matt is not something
that a lot of people have heard about. I think, no,
it is not. And let's just get this out of
the way. When we say Adam, we're not talking about
your friend you grew up with and went to elementary
school with. No, we're talking about Adam from Adam and Eve.
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The biblical story of the first man pre belly button
guy that Adam, the fig leaves and the shame, and
a complicated relationship with snakes, that and his kids and
his partner. It's just a lot of layers to Adam.
And so apparently he had this calendar or it was
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there's someone who named this site in modern day South
Africa Adams Calendar. It's remote. It is not something that
you can just easily immediately visit from the Johannesburg airport,
but there is definitely something there. If you go to
the Mumpumlanga province in South Africa, then you will see
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that this site is not protected by an electric fence,
by high security, nor a government nor a corporation. It's
just out there on one side of a valley, near
the ancient side of a river. And if you're in
the area, you can go visit it, but you're going
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to want to plan your trip. Yeah, there is. I
did find a small place you can rent. There's a
house I think pretty close to it, just a couple
of roads over found. I found that. I'm looking into it. Yeah,
I'm on board. I'm on board. Look, I'll keep track
of that comic book we like, And could you just
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produce the Trip to South Africa? Easy? Got it right? Yeah,
we're gonna rope any Reese into it because I know
she's been there. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah yeah. And that's
Annie Reese, our dear friend from Sminty and from the
Savor podcast, both of which are great. Do people know
what Sminty is? Stuff? Mom never told you? Oh my gosh,
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we're doing jargon just like colts. We're doing acronyms just
like governments. Stuff. Mom never told you. Yes, And shout
out to the creator, Christine Togger. And so Nat, let's
talk about Adams count. Let's use the name Adam's Calendar
for now, because that's how you and I initially learned
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about it. How old is Adam's Calendar? How does it
stack up in comparison to the Pyramids or in comparison
to Stonehenge. Well, it really really depends on where you
look online and on whose research those numbers are based,
because you can find some people claiming that it's only
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about five hundred years old. Some people say it's a couple,
you know, fifteen hundred, couple thousand years old, Others saying
it's around seventy five thousand years old. Seventy five thousand
years old, this would put it well before the Pyramids,
well before the world's favorite hinge. First glance, you know,
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to the untrained eye or even the academic eye. Honestly,
if you're just looking at it for the first time,
you can confirm it looks ancient. We found some great
descriptions of it from an outfit called the Heritage Portal
in an article written by Peter Dulias, Tim Mags and
Alex Schumann, and it was thinking maybe we lean on
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them a little bit to describe the site, because they
paint a beautiful picture of how you get to the
countryside in a pretty rural area. You know it maybe
suburban in a few decades, but right now it's pretty rural,
and you'll hit a vista and you start to see
in the distance something breaking up that pastoral low sweep
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of the valley. Oh. Yes. In this book they describe
driving through Mapamlonga looking out, as you said, Ben, and
seeing something remarkable. That's how they put it. You'll see
fragments both large and small, of buildings in stone or
like parts of buildings. Right they're near the sides of
the road. They're further away up in the hills, down
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in the valleys below, but you're starting to see them
everywhere you look. Right, It's not just one thing. It's
not one old building or something. There are no roofs,
there are no clear you know, entry ways or windows
of course by this point in history, so you might
not immediately think these are dwellings, but you can tell
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those rocks didn't just happen naturally. Somebody made them exactly.
I'm just gonna give you a little further quote here, Ben,
because they describe them as endless stone circles set in
bewildering mazes and linked by longstone passages that cover the
landscape below. And that, to me is just that picture
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in my mind, circles attached through some kind of maybe roads,
maybe some kind of At some point it was a
there was a dome to those walkways or something like.
Why was all that stuff? Without knowing anything, my mind
starts to just travel off into all the different possibilities
right right. And this is the time when you start
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reading the primary sources and the scholarly papers and realizing
how much terminology you have forgotten from school days. At
least that's the case. I think many of us find
ourselves in. These folks also note something really important. The
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site is huge, and when you're dealing with things on
that scale, if you're just standing on the ground, regardless
of your height as an individual, you're going to have
a tough time grasping the entirety of the structure. Right.
That's why they say, That's why they imply you need
to get a bird's eye view. If you study the
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views provided by Google Earth. They see you can you
can see it here, which we've confirmed you can. You
can get a sense of the heartland of this world.
And they talk about how these structures enact over ten
thousand square kilometers of the Pomologa Escarpment into again a
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very complex, very sophisticated web of stone walls what appear
to have been at least partially stone buildings. How big
is this thing because it feels like, you know, when
you hear about other ancient megalithic structures like Stonehenge. Stonehenge
is something with a road you can drive by it, right,
and it's it's kind of a specific, discrete site. There's
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just the one thing called Stonehenge. Yes, there's not six
or seven stonehenges, but we do know the currectly if
I'm wrong here, Ben, I think as a part of Stonehenge,
there are several other nearby sites that are just a
distance away. There's nothing connecting them. And yes, there's some
kind of similarity here where there's a great distance between
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some of these what do the stone structures with the
walls and the things we're describing there, there's some place
where it's just so far away from the next one,
and then others where it just seems like they were
all built right together. So yes, Sorr, I'm getting a
little distracted here, Ben. The entirety of all those structures,
if you're driving through it is said to run one
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hundred and fifty clicks north to south and about fifty
kilometers wide. Ben, remind us what a click is. Click
is a kilometer. It's what we it's what we do,
so we don't feel like we're saying kilometer too often.
And it sounds cool, right Like. I don't know if
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anybody grew up with military in your family, but whomember
it was that was an older figure in your family
who was in the military, If they ever describe something
in terms of clicks. It just sounded so cool, right.
Can I tell you what I thought it was when
I was growing up. You know, when you watch radar
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go around in like an eighties movie or seventy you know,
just older movies, like the radar going around in a circle,
I always thought it was one move over on the radar. So, like,
whatever that distance is for the standard for a radar,
I thought that's what a click was. I'm not smart.
Oh no, that's you know what. Let's just start let's
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start describing things in clicks, but not as kilometers. Okay, cool,
let's just never explain it. But but yeah, you raise
a great point here, because that site, you know, one
hundred and fifty kilometers or like ninety three something miles
or whatever. This is huge, and Adam's calendar exists within
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that structure. However, however defined, it's on one side of
a steep valley by a river, and that placement makes
a lot of sense because historically humans have always sought
to live by sources of water. It's a great way
to get sustenance, it's great for trade routes, especially in
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earlier eras, and you know, honestly, just rivers look nice.
Living by a body of water when the weather is
on your side, it can be really relaxing. You're absolutely right.
And let's tell people the name of that river. It's
the Blowbush Crawl River and that's what all of these
stone ruins are named after her. So the Blowbush Crawl
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stone Ruins. And this is how you spell it. If
you want to look it up b L A A
U b O s h k R A A L
you can find it. And you can even find it
on Google Maps and look at a bird's eye view
of this thing. I would highly recommend Google Earth because
you can really scan across the area pretty effectively and
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look at what you can see these on the ground. Yeah,
you absolutely can, and it's worth checking out. You know,
Google isn't perfect, but Google Earth is just a fascinating
piece of software and it shows you how far how
far surveillance has come. Like try that street view or
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try that game where you just tried you attempt you
get a random picture from street view and you attempt
to guess where it is in the world. Oh wow,
some people are really good at that. I've seen I've
seen some YouTube bids. I just really just hover over
a groom lake for way too long, just kind of
look around, keep it and refresh just in case. So
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we are going to pause for word from our sponsors
and a little bit of refreshment, and then we're going
to get back to Adam's Calendar and the many other
names it has, and we're going to try to separate
some fact from fiction. And we've returned. So this site
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has garnered a lot of attention in recent decades. I
think we can skip the idea of what it was
quote unquote discovered, because truthfully, a lot of times when
you hear about something being discovered, it means it was
the first time that someone not in the local community
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came across it. Right, you're absolutely correct, But can we
talk about how that person feels like they discovered it
or thinks they discovered it? Yeah, that's a good covey. Yeah, yeah,
let's go with that, because we're talking about looking at
this stuff from a satellite view, right and being able
to get the scope. But when you're driving through it's
kind of hard even at first to tell if you're
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actually seeing stone sites that are all connected together or
are they all separate or what is that stuff? But
if you can see it from above, like the two
people were about to talk about, did they put it
together and felt like they discovered something new, something hidden? Yeah,
And these folks might be called fringe researchers by some
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and they're part of the very out there claims you
might hear about who built these ruins and why. And
I think the most well known of those claims come
from a guy named Michael Tellinger, who is a politician
and author in South Africa who co wrote a book
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about this that kind of functions as the primary source
for a lot of people who believe there's something far
out of the ordinary about this site, something extremely special. Right,
it has more meaning to it than meets the eye. Yeah,
there's like almost code in how the stones are laid out.
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This person, Michael Tellinger, he worked with Johann Heen, I
think is how you would say it H E, I
N E. And these guys just well, I guess we
can just say what it is, but let's preface it
with their ideas appear to be very closely based on
the concepts put forward by Zechariah's stitching. The concepts that
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were kind of alluding to at the beginning here that
aliens or extraterrestrials may have had some involvement in ancient civilizations,
including whoever it was that built this Adam's calendar structure. Right, Yeah,
this will be familiar to anybody read books like Chariot
of the Gods by Eric van danikin Twelfth Planet, Twelfth Planet,
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the planet beyond Neptune, Neberu, and so on. Yeah. Zecharia
Stitchen is of that of that school of thought, and
in his case, he if I recall it right correctly.
One of his big platforms, or one of the big
planks of his platform, is the idea that ancient human
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Sumerian culture was created by a non human intelligence or
inspired by a non human intelligence, which are now the
legendary Anunaki, right and Nephelim and so on, and that
they actually come from a planet beyond Neptune, which would
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be Nimburau. There you go, and Nibrew's coming back. Oh yeah,
oh yeah, it's always coming back because it's because of
its multi thousand year orbit around the Sun. Stitching, by
the way, is very well known in his space. Before
his death in twenty ten, he sold millions and millions
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of copies of His work translated into multiple languages and
inspired a lot of people, and so some Intellinger's skeptics
will say that Stitching also heavily inspired him. Tellinger's book
claims that the ruins are actually three hundred thousand years old,
which would make much much older than anything I did.
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I didn't, Ben, I just have to tell you in
what I was like, Yeah, I didn't even see that number.
I saw. I think one hundred and sixty as the
maximum that was reported. I guess where I was looking.
Three hundred thousand years Well, then that might be another
story people are telling, right, the specifics change and yeah,
you know what again, we have to be careful about
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that psychological phenomenon anchoring, because you hear a wild number
like three hundred thousand years old, and all of a
sudden you start to think, oh, the Pyramids and Stonehenge
aren't that impressive. They very much are. There's still those things.
They're still also really really old, but probably beyond the
scale of human imagining right to really grasp that span
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of time. So let's not dunk on, let's not dunk
on our previously popular ancient sites. Well, because this one's
just supposedly might be three hundred thousand years old, according
to these authors. Right, just so. And these authors and
other people who agree with them have also claimed to
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have found the motivation for building this stuff, the purpose
behind it, which, as we established, is like the big
question why go to all this trouble in their mind.
It's a multifunctional thing. It is an ancient calendar, but
not just that, yes, not just that at all. It's
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an ancient calendar that looks at things like equinoxes and solstices,
and it's able to use it the shadows of the
sun to determine all that stuff. And it's also aligned
to based on O'Ryan up above. It's also based there
are several other things that made it super special, this
true north south, true west east, and there are a
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couple other alignments that you make it a calendar and
a clock and a bunch of other things. But they're
also saying it's connected in some way to lay lines,
or is it lay lines, or is it just some
other type of line that spans across the earth that
does connect to ancient sites like the Pyramids of Giza
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and other old places. Right, it's if not lay lines,
it's a very similar argument to lay lines, right, that
there's a larger structure that ancient humans either created or
learned to use, right the same way that ancient societies
learn to use rivers for trade. So the other big
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thing in addition to aliens that people find controversial is
the idea that Adams Calendar in particular and the site
overall served as part of a kind of Eldridge power grid,
a big network across southern Africa that somehow harnessed and
channeled power way before humanity first learned to use electricity.
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WHOA how cool would that be? If that was wrong?
That would be amazing. Like, look, I'll give you a story.
What if Earth is a machine? Right? We think it's
got this mantle and this crust and this core and
all this stuff. What it's a machine, I'll moonfall And
the nature of this machine as you get outwards towards
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the crust of it, the place that's organic, you've actually
got these like ridges that go all the way around
the Earth. I'm trying to imagine something that it would
look like a ridge, like imagine a ball. But then
it's got these ridges that go out about an inch
and on each of those ridges that go around. You could,
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you know, put something in the ground and you got power. Baby,
but you got to be on the ridge. Okay, too
out there? Sorry, No, no, I like it because because
you know that's oh and it's done, Ben, It's done
because the creators of the Earth who made that machine,
they knew they had to limit the number of human
beings they were on the planet, right right, so they
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would only exist around those ridges, and then nature would
be able to grow in between them. Baby. Yeah. And
this is a watertight theory. Oh it is. What can
I say? You can submerge it. I feel like you've
nailed it. I feel like you figured it out. And
if we can just confirm even a piece of that,
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then it is. Yeah. Yeah, it would make it the
most important site in human history. So is it true?
Here's where it gets crazy. No, no, now not the no,
Matt's theory has not yet been fully investigated. Oh yeah, yeah,
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we have to. We have to do a lot more
due diligence and get our hands around the globe and
you know, start digging into the planet. Various plays. I say,
we do it. But if you're talking about just Tallenger's ideas,
then you're going to quickly run into a problem. The
research on this and I'm trying to be diplomatic here,
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the research on the site is a house divided. There
are two camps. One group, like Tallenger, makes a lot
of claims that are pretty difficult to verify. And on
the other side you have a ton of historians and
archaeologists local and from across the globe who have a
much different narrative. And there's right now seems to be
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supported by the bulk of the objective evidence. Yeah, it
should be pointed out that you can find it all
everywhere online. Allegedly, Tallenger hired some amateur to give him
a date about how old this structure was, and that's
where the original age of the structure came from, which
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was stated as seventy five thousand years. Yeah, exactly. And
experts in the in the academic camp believe they also
knew who built this structure, the Baconi civilization boko in I. Yeah,
and that's not just Adams Kelenard. That's the entirety of
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those blow Bush crawl ruins. There were one hundred and
fifty cliques north and south then fifty kilometers wide. Yeah,
they believe that it was created in a series of
phases in the sixteenth century, and a lot of a
lot of the current conjecture argues that these structures were
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either built as a way to keep cattle like cattle enclosures,
or a way to mark out various territorial boundaries. We
do know it's it's a pretty complex structure from what
we can tell. And look, it's also quite possible that
a few aliens may have decided to play cowboy, right
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maybe but maybe, But if they did, they left no
record of anything other than human activity there. Yeah. Well,
it's also thought that some of the stones that exist
there that kind of resemble roads may have been terraced
structure like terrace where you could either plant something or
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keep smaller animals within, like the certain area. There's a
really great research that's been done into this thing, and
it shows a pretty robust life for people who were
living out there in large numbers sure pastoral agricultural communities.
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They had thriving industries, and they were connected to larger
networks of completely different communities, and they most likely did
use that river as a way of engaging in trade.
The site itself seems to be built in three rough phases,
and the phases of construction tell a story over time.
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In the third phase, it seemed that things have been
escalating for a while. Rival communities appear to have invaded
what was traditionally the land of the Boconi, and instability
across the region was pushing these groups into territory, right
into competition for all the resources you could imagine. So
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the Buconi are believed to have responded by building something
that a few scholars have called the equivalent of refugee settlements.
Oh yeah, oh yeah. And it's not like they were temporary,
like you know, it was an invading army that came
in over the course of a week or something like that.
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They built these structures to last a long time, as
in the leaders at least saw an ongoing problem that
needed to be addressed. And this is one of the answers. Yeah,
the mcconey were an advanced, sophisticated group. They definitely knew
what they were doing when they were constructing this stuff.
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And again, they were regional players, particularly in the food
industry of the day. You could say they function kind
of as a regional breadbasket. And it seems that they
quite likely traded agricultural products for other goods, or even
luxuries like ivory, you know, the stuff they didn't have.
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Similar to our conversations about Ukraine. Yeah right, there's always
conflict Ultimately, I'm just gonna say it again, does come
down to resources. The window dressing might change, the brand
name might change, but if you open the box and
look inside, the conflicts are about who gets what material
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And look, history is closer than it appears in the
rear view mirror. The BACONI seem to have used these
structures all the way up into the eighteen thirties, which
is a long time for groups of people to live
in a single place, and they were abandoned during this
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wave of catastrophic warfare and subsequent migration. So aside from
the house you mentioned, Matt and some other buildings in
a nearby town, people aren't living on this site today.
So that also makes it easier if you come along
in recent decades. That also makes it easier to kind
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of put your own meaning on the site, right, to
lend your own spin in perspective, because it's not like
somebody's going to walk out of there and say, what
are you doing in my yard? Those people are long gone,
but still eighteen thirties, very very recent. And these things
are definitely old. But are they I don't think so.
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I don't know. I don't think so either. And we
should just point this out to a lot of the
recent interest in this or even let's say the most
fervent interest in this site only starts around nineteen, like
late nineteen forties, post World War Two. That's when a
lot of that's when a lot of historians, archaeologists are
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actually looking at this place, taking data, doing the hard
science or doing the hard science that lends to the
social science of you know, trying to understand what people's
were here and why. Right, Yeah, agreed, And at this point,
none of those folks have found any hard proof that
extraterrestrials participated in this construction. What it seems to what
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it seems to be is ingenious human communities leveraging the knowledge,
the experience, and the tools they had access to at
the time to try to further ensure stability for their community. Right.
And we see that some of this construction can be
thought of as reaction to other pressures social pressures, resource pressures, etc.
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But the more strange claims, even the name Adam's calendar.
The stuff it's based on is incredibly difficult to prove.
And that's not saying we know everything about these ruins.
That's just saying that of the stuff we can prove
at the time, it seems pretty clear that one camp,
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the archaeologist, they seem to have the most supporting evidence
on their side. Now, if that changes, of course, we're
going to be first to the mat as soon as
we can with an apology, which would be an exuberant
apology on our behalf, because we always wanted something like
this to happen. But I want to believe man. But
(43:01):
we don't want to end it quite there. We're going
to pause for a word from our sponsors and will
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We talked off air. We didn't want this to end
in a total downer and feel like we're just debunking everything.
These ruins are amazing. They are They are human built,
and even that fact is astonishing. The stuff people were
capable of when motivated. Think about it right now, if
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you wanted to go out and build a structure out
of stone, that is going to house you and your
family and all the cattle you're keeping, because you know,
you need food and milk and cheese and things like that. Cos, yeah,
you gotta have a place where you can plant all
your food viably. H you know, build something like that,
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Build like move a bunch of stones, really heavy stones,
as you know, your base. And then even let's say
you wanted to create something that might even be some
kind of religious structure out of these big stones, how
are you going to do it? Right now? How are
you gonna do it? I couldn't. How are you going
to do it with you know what? For this thought experiment?
(44:32):
With access to all the information you have? Yeah, you
got everything you need, even you got your phone in
your hand. Are you still think you could do it?
I don't know? You know what? And you can ask
friends for help. M don't threaten anyone with pain of death,
but you know, yeah, don't force them to do anything.
But this, what we're saying is it's really yeah, it's
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really tough. And this becomes even and more fascinating when
we realize that these things are far from the only examples.
There are genuinely mysterious ancient structures built to huge scales,
and some of them are so old that humanity is
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still not exactly sure when they were built. Just for
the sake of time, let's let's look at Turkey. Turkey
has great examples, Mesoamerica has great examples. The African continent,
of course, there are so many amazing old things. Some
of the oldest are places like bon Kuklu Tarla and
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pardon us not native Turkish speakers or go Beckley tepe.
That's that's how I always hear him say it. You
know what I'm talking about. Yeah, I know what you're
talking about, and so we'll say go Beckley, and local
archaeologists estimate this Bonkuklu Tarla region may be as much
as twelve thousand years old. Incredibly impressive. Yeah, it is, well.
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And that's why when you're maybe first introduced to the
ancient aliens concept and someone walks you through the construction
of these things, the intricacies of the stone work often
stuff that you can't figure out really on the top
of your head unless you know you're a master stone worker,
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or something like how could you have done that? And
even if you're a master stone worker, posing the question
how could you have done that twelve thousand years ago?
It seems to be as difficult as we've been describing
making one of these things in the modern day, right,
it would be super difficult. Then it moves too nearly impossible,
if not fully impossible to do twelve thousand years ago.
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And that's where the ancient aliens thing just goes, Oh yeah, dude,
totally is lasers. And then you see the stories start
to split, or the speculation diverges with various concepts or
theories about why these architects are no longer around today
or acknowledged to be around, you know, and there's a
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wide variety here. They're not all these theories agree with
each other, No, absolutely, absolutely. I just wanted to point
out that concept of like why your brain goes to
ancient alien theory and like starts to understand it and
get excited about it. It really does undercut just the
skill and intelligence of human beings that lived then in
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those areas, right, And we just you gotta you kind
of remember that when you when your mind takes you
to that, oh fully lasers, you just remember it, right,
Because then the other question is why why did so
many buildings today not live up to those standards, right.
But again, what we're seeing or the remnants we're seeing,
(47:57):
the things that survived thousands of ye just we could
talk about them and go Beckley is something we covered
in previous episodes. It's incredibly befuddling today. Believed to have
been built somewhere between seventy five hundred to one thousand BC.
This means these structures date back to the Southwest Asian
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Neolithic period. As you can imagine, they are themselves subjects
of numerous, numerous out their theories, and it's you know,
to a degree, you have to make theories about this
stuff because you have to figure out the best way
to research it and just have to be okay when
those theories need to be revised. These things are the
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stories about these things rather are everything from last civilizations
that one's true people have last civilizations in the past,
to anjient aliens that one not so much, to sophisticated
temple structures for some kind of now forgotten religion that
one remains unclear. People are still arguing about the temple
thing now, well, it could be there's some researchers who
(49:01):
believed it was influenced from ancient Indian cultures that came
into Southern Africa, and then it was actually their religious
influence that caused all of these stone structures, specifically in
the area of Adams Calendar and all of those structures.
Like there are people who believe that and have written
(49:22):
about that, which it I can't I can't tell you
if it's true or not, but it doesn't appear to
be as plausible as some of the other concepts, right, Yeah,
we almost have to measure the daisy chain of if
then's right or the what ifs, and see how far
those branches go and how sturdy they remain when you
(49:45):
get really out to the edges look just like the
Adams Calendar site. These sites in Turkey are not guarded
by top secret cadres. There aren't UFOs currently in the
sky right now saying I hope no one figures this out.
Go Beckley is UNESCO World Heritage Site, and it has
been once since twenty eighteen, which still very recently and
(50:06):
has of twenty twenty one, one of the most recent
estimates we could find on the site. In particular, all
the experts agree that they have excavated less than five
percent of that site. Wow, what else can be down there?
We genuinely do not know, we being current civilization, And
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that's where we end the episode. We don't know neither
to you, and you'll never find out. Buy No, I'm
just true. Well, well there will be stuff to find out, right,
because they're almost certainly more ancient sites out there waiting
for humanity to discover what they're certainly human ancestors built
all those millennia ago. Again, history is still happening. You
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can go to found a neat little article on this
for the travel dot Com by Joshua I. Do And
in this the author list out a bunch of new discoveries,
some that are brand new places, some of their discoveries
of on sites that have already been well known to
(51:15):
humanity for a long time, like there's still news coming
out about POMPEII all this time after that tragic eruption.
People are still digging in there and going, oh, holy smokes. Well, though,
the one that's linked in this, at least that I'm seeing,
been It's number seventeen on the list, and it is
(51:36):
titled Golden City and lux Or, Egypt. It was buried
under sand. It's three thousand years old. They got a
lot of sand in Egypt. Also that slang, isn't it
when you say someone's got a lot of sand, You've
got a lot of sand coming in here? That is no.
I mean, I think it might be the I think
(51:58):
it might be on down to the intonation. Okay, but
it does sound like, you know, you've got some nerve.
You got a lot of sand, they said at the Pyramids,
So so yeah. You can also see Roman shipwrecks are
being discovered there. We learn more about the menu of
(52:21):
a restaurant in ancient Pompeii. This stuff is fascinating. There's
news about the Dead Sea scrolls. What we're saying is
this is a great time to be alive for any
anybody who wants to learn more about the ancient past.
There are still questions out there to be answered, and
(52:41):
there are absolutely absolutely right now lost ancient structures that
will likely be found within your lifetime as you listen
to this show. And that's where we want your help, folks.
What do you think what other ancient sites are out there?
How can we best separate rumors about them store worries
that people have embellished in the Great Game of Telephone?
(53:04):
How can we separate that from the facts, and what
can those facts tell us about the modern day? I
want to know the strangest modern structure in your local
area that you think is going to befuddle historians and
archaeologists in the future. Does that make sense? Yeah, I
want to I would like to know that too, and
(53:25):
we want pictures. Yeah, yeah, it always I think I
mentioned this on air before, but I always think about
that in cities. There's an example, right, You're driving through
a city and you see all the bridges and roads
where interstates connect. Here in Atlanta, there's a place called
Spaghetti Junction. It's a fun name, and it's just the
(53:48):
series of all these bridges crossing over. And whenever I
see stuff like that, I always like to think the
future historians. I just picture them walking around. Maybe they're robots,
maybe they're aliens, maybe the humanity two point zero. They're
they're walking around and they're saying they're looking at the
remnants of skyscrapers and overpasses, and they're going we don't
(54:09):
know much about these mysterious penis worshiping primitives, but we
do know they made structures to their gods, and they
were likely sustaining themselves based on a sophisticated network of
aqueducts which go throughout this site, even directly to what
we believe were their dwellings. Woa. Yeah, and that's how
(54:32):
roads work. But now they're just they're pinching it as
an aqueduct. So stuff like that, right, is that on
the money? Yeah? Is it Chicago that has that big silvery,
weird bean looking thing? That's yeah, Like what what are
people going to think? That is? That's why religion is
(54:53):
so often the easiest explanation the being. People of the
early of the early Anthroposine would be known for their
intense neo agricultural belief system. Oh yes, So take your
pictures and you know, come up with your your theory
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