June 13, 2014 • 38 mins
From hidden catacombs to wild rumors about a hollow earth, the world is full of subterranean stories. But which are total bunk, and which have the ring of truth? Tune in to learn more.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
From UFOs two, ghosts and government cover ups. History is
writted with unexplained events. You can turn back now or
learn the stuff they don't want you to now. Hello,
welcome back to the show. My name is Matt, and
I am then and today we're going deep. Yes, we're
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going deep literally, figuratively, metaphorically, and I'm sure a couple
of elites that I've forgot to mention. Uh. The big
question here to start us off, Matt, is can we
be happy underground? Not the bend full of song, but
the honest question. Sure, I think we can be happy underground.
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There are lots of different people who have been happy underground. No,
we hide in our homes. We build these structures so
it feels like we're somewhat underground. We lived in caves.
Humans lived in caves for a very long time because
we need shelter, and what better shelter than the thing
that's right beneath you and closed and closed. In this episode,
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we are going to talk about the world beneath your
feet now, Matt, you and I have are are midway
through our series this week, which is on catacombs primarily,
but then on also other other ancient hidden things. I
think we brought our classics Crystal skull episode back. Yeah,
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Crystal Skulls. It's that's a polarizing episode. Oh yeah, no
kidding people, people are mad at us. One of my
favorite things about that, as a side note, um, is
how many people felt so strongly about the video or
that they didn't watch that they saw the title and
ran directly to the comments to say, you guys are
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full of b as. These things are not actual alien artifacts,
which is pretty much what we say in the video.
But you know, you'd have to watch it, I know,
and I'm and I'm always like, well, did you see
Indiana Jones three four? I mean, I don't know whichever
one that came out. Yeah, with the Indiana Jones the uh.
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But but all of that aside, um, and you know,
I'm I'm just joshing a little bit with the YouTube commanders.
I know, people get heated. But all of that aside,
it did bring up some really interesting topics that we
had touched on before. Now, this is a little bit
close to our episode on deep underground military bases, but
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it's much bigger. It's more of a grab bag. So
first to understand if we can really be happy underground.
We have to understand what underground is, which means we
need a quick recap of Earth's structure. And luckily it's
pretty simple, right and thankfully there's this thing called geology
that looks at rocks and you know, what are we
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on but one giant rock that has a multi middle.
So we live, all of us, you listening right now,
We live on the surface of the Earth. And then
directly below that surface there's the crust and sexy name,
Oh yeah, that crusty crust, and that where it comes
out of the mouth. Strangely, it's three to six miles thick,
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and that's that's underneath the ocean, and then it's around
two forty some miles underneath the surface of the land.
And that's that's really thin when you think about it.
If you think about how large the Earth actually is
very thin. So imagine an apple. Okay, it's kind of
the skin. Think about the skin in that tiny little
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layer that is the crust, and under the skin in
this apple comparison, we have the mushy insides known as
the mantle. The mantle is the largest part of earth
earth structure. It's really really hot, which might be counter
in two. It of to some people because you know,
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we know that people live in caves for a while,
because it holds a cold temperature better in an arid environment.
But once you get down to where the pressure is increasing, uh,
it's a whole different ball game. So the mantle, even
though it's hot, and it's hot enough that parts of
it would melt, it stays solid primarily because the pressure
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deep inside the planet is too great to permit melting. However,
when it does melt, you know, in a plate shifts
or something like that, boom, magma makes its way to
the outer crust. Sorry, Pompeii. That's just how it goes.
So then you keep going down and you get to
the core. Now the core has two different parts. There's
there's an inner core and an outer core. The outer
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one is it's liquid um. I mean, it's the kind
of the magma stuff, but it's just underneath the earth
that's just kind of pressure, super pressure, like Ben was
saying with the mantle. And then you've got to keep
going down all the way you get to the very center,
which is theorized right to be solid. Yes, but it's
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basically and this thing is crazy hot. It's it's almost
it's not as hot as the sun. It's almost as
hot as the sun, right, right, and again according to
the estimations, because no human being that we know of
has uh the center of the earth gotten remotely close
to it. However, this is interesting because you know, when
we were talking about the hollow earth theories, there were
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people who said, well, of course the core appears to
be as hot as the sudden, because there is a
mini tour son within the core of the earth. Neither
you nor I really bought just do due to what
we understand about the magnetosphere and the physics involved, right,
and gravitational pull and stuff, it seems very difficult to
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explain how that could that sort of condition could be true.
But but a fascinating story. Fascinating story, and it is
true that we know dead lee about the core of
the earth. Really, we we make these guesses. You know,
it's really hot, that's not tough to guess. And oh,
it's maybe it's a nickel alloy of some sort of
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you know, hopefully we'll find out. But if we dig
in and we say that, all right, everything that people
are doing, as far as the science goes, everything that
people are doing inside Earth so far is just going
to different areas of the crust. People do live in
cave homes, right, People go to ground all the time.
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They live in caves um and have as you mentioned
Matt for for right. Oh yeah, yeah, their their cave
homes all over Australia, UM and throughout the world there
are cave homes, ancient ancient cave sure structures where people
would live all a little. They look like cities almost.
You've seen these canyon settlements in the United it States,
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and there are there are a lot of reasons that
a human group would go there. There's temperature regulation, um,
there's all kinds of escaping, dangerous environments, maybe even dangerous animals, predators. Um, yes,
I'm safety was a huge issue. Different to have a
group moving towards a cave or at least underground. I
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remember we've seen some older settlements, you know, ancient semments
like those two that we always mispronounced. Oh go both
of us, uh go go back Lee Tepe and kayle
hulk is how it's spelled. Yeah, I'm just gonna let
you do that. But one thing you do have to
deal with now that you're living basically underneath a large
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piece of rock, or underneath a cave, inside of a cave,
and it's the you gotta worry, worry about the earth
itself kind of fighting against you. Yeah, So if there's
any kind of earthquakes shifts, bad news, right salutely. And
this means that, of course you could be in a
cave in if you dig too deep. Hobbit holes are
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a real thing. Uh. There's the idea of building a
house sort of on a hill structure, so it's not
actually cave, it's not in bedrock, it's just covered with dirt. Um.
There are also these ongoing plans to build massive permanent
living areas underground. One of the one of the most
science fiction type ones is this thing called Alice City,
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which already sounds like it's an autom a right uh
in Japan, and it's these two domes and these shafts
that go way deep into the ground, and there are
all sorts of plans to try to make it okay
to live in there. Um because as we're about to see,
many people love to visit underground, but uh, not a
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lot of people want to live there. And that way,
it's kind of similar to Orlando yeah, I've been there
a couple of times. I enjoyed. I enjoyed my time
I was there briefly. Right yeah, um so, and this
is the part Matt where during our show, somebody's listening
right now, and um, yes, it's true. We can hear
your thoughts just a little bit. We know that you're thinking, Hey,
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people already have these massive underground living complexes. Governments, right,
private entities have have something like that. But we're not
talking about the doomsday bunkers. Uh. Those things are contingency plans.
They're not people living in those twenty four hours a day.
Right now, we're talking about a commercial thing in underground city. Um,
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much more than an apartment complex where you could be
born and die and never go to the surface world.
We're talking about that more people type stuff, right. That's
a great scenario. So okay, so let's talk a little
bit about how deep we've actually gone we okay, you know,
no one's gone too deep into the mantle, um, but
let's just talk about the deepest hole that's ever been
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at least thus far. It's it's called the Cola Super
Deep Bore Hole, and that's it's where Russia basically reached
a depth of seven and a half miles and it's
the deepest man made hole on the planet currently and
it's probably gonna stay that way for a while just
given the crazy temperatures involved with the process of trying
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to get that deep. Well, it's crazy hot, man. And
think about if you've got boring technology, just a massive
metal drill, and you're just going down and down and down.
Eventually you're gonna hit a point where your equipment is
going to just fail and it's not going to be
able to function um And then what if you get
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into kind of the more liquid e molten areas where
the where the pressure makes the rock behave more like
a plastic And then what do you do It gets
all gunked up on your drill. You're trying to get
it out. If you get if you get a little
bit out, there's gonna be just more fills it in,
like like you would if you hit a pool of water. Yeah. Yeah,
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And uh. The thing that taught me about this, because
I remember us talking about this before, was one of
the most surprising things scientists found other than that it's
really difficult to drill a hole that deep, is that
they found signs of ancient life or micro fossils. Um
in this rock was two billion years old. These were
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single cell plants, so plankton basically. That freaks me out. Man. Yeah,
that's that's intense. Just you know what, maybe the world
there's only six thousand years old been oh wait, probably not. Well,
you know, those rocks might have come from somewhere else.
That's what happened. That's what happened. We're doing the rock theory,
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not the wrestling. So this idea that there are signs
of life, that there are extreme of files that live
under the surface of Earth and these remote, inaccessible areas,
all of this naturally makes human beings, some of them
narcissistic of Earth's creatures. Wonder why don't we live underground
right now? Well, it's because we've evolved to live above ground. Evolution.
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Sorry but yes, but truly it's me it's because of that.
If you think about your circadian rhythms, the way your
body releases chemicals when it thinks it's time to go
to bed, it's directly related with night, which means you're
probably on the surface, so that during the day when
the sun's out. You know, not only are you are
you able to use the sun to figure out where
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the heck you're walking around? You? Um, But it's absence
cause the chemicals released. Now it's time for bed, right, Yeah,
we're diurnal, that's the that's the fancy word for it,
right and we um. We also have this weird relationship
with this thing called vitamin D, which I'm whare of
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internet slang. It's not that vitamin D, but uh, it's
the actual vitamin that prevents rickets, keeps your immune system
pimp and strong. And it's also, weirdly enough, the only
vitamin that we don't get from food or flint Stone's chewables.
We actually create vitamin D. Get this, folks through photosynthesis. Yeah,
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plants like plants. No, I think I think you're You're wrong. No,
well I'm I'm not the one pedalin evolution. So uh
So the thing is that, weirdly enough, the ultra violet
radiation coming from sunlight causes this photosynthesis that produces vitamin
D in our cells. So no sunlight, no vitamin D
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q rickets cheese. And that's not the only thing that
sunlight kind of allows us to produce. Um. We produce
saratonin also through sunlight. Without sunlight, we basically get that
thing that you've heard it before, seasonal effective disorder, where
you're just feeling down and oppressed and oh man, when
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is when is the sun coming back? And they say never,
we're north of the Arctic circle. Oh gosh, and then
you're like, oh man, I can't sleep right, can't sleep
at all. Let me just point out for anyone who
didn't catch there, hasn't heard of this, Matt, what was
the name of that disorder again, Seasonal effective disorder, which
makes the acronym SAD, which I still think it's funny.
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So it's it's just a note on this one. You've
probably seen this before to Matt, where they've they've got
these programs in some um northern countries, countries that are
closer and closer to the Arctic Circle, where they expose
children to ultra violet light. Right, these are school kids
and they're being exposed to that UV light we talked
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about earlier to help with the assistance of vitamin D
and serotonin and to prevent them from coming becoming s
A d uh acquiring s A D acquiring SAD, acquiring SAD. Sorry,
I'm no, we're making light of it. But it's a
real thing, and it's I mean, it's pretty serious. It
can lead to you two bad things, no joke. Um,
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So okay, then we need some light. We've we've we
figured that out. What else do we need? Oh we
need air. Oh yeah, that's that's important. Gotta be able
to breathe. You gotta be able to send oxygen to
all of your cells. So most humans have evolved, I'm
just gonna go with this. So most of us, um
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using the word again, have evolved to accept the mixture
of a couple of different things in the air. You've
got nitrogen, you've got oxygen, are gone even and c
O two and at sea level the atmospheric pressure. Uh,
it's that's where we need it. We need it to
be at the pressure of sea level or you know,
in a varying range. That's the sweet spot we evolved
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to exactly. Okay. Uh yeah, And that's you know, not
counting Tibetans and Andians who over um multiple generations living
in these high out to two places. They got a
little weird with it and they are better at um
getting oxygen from the thin environment. Right. Um. But yeah,
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so in general, we've evolved to live in this area
on land, breathing just the the tap water version of air. Right,
So what happens? What what does this have to do
with us being underground? Well, it's atmospheric pressure. So it's
the opposite of going way up into the Indian mountains. Right,
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So if you go deep, deep into the ground, the
pressure is going to increase, uh, like crazy. And so
if you spend too much time, you know, too far
below sea level, it makes the components of the air
separate from our blood. And this is the thing that
you've probably heard before called the bends where if you're
diving deep um under the ocean and you can't come
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up very fast because if you do, all of the
all of the molecules separate, So you would have to
that's why you have to decompress, right, you have to
go up more slowly. You will, you go up really slowly.
Then usually have to spend time in a decompression chamber
just to make sure everything stays the way it should.
And miners have to do the same decompression staging two
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right if they go too deep. Okay, so here's the
here's the next question I have then, um for you
Matt and for everybody listening, will we eventually have to
live underground? Evolutionarily? Uh? Disadvantaged as we may be for that?
Oh man, you're gonna make me bring up another subject
that everyone gets really happy about or really mad about.
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What's that climate change? Depending on what happens on the
surface of the earth, we may be forced to at
least spend some more time underground. And you've got all
kinds of technologies now that can assist us in living undergrown. Um,
it won't be easy though, you know, in Alice City
they were talking about simulating weather patterns. You know, So
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would it be easier to always live underground? If you
felt that there was a window, which you know is
fake intellectually, but this window shows you sunlight and nighttime
rain on the glass. I think it would make things easier.
But it'd be cool if you could program it, program
your own room or your maybe your level or something
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that of a hollow deck. Oh man, one day, one day.
So billions of people are spreading across the planet right
and space is already at a ridiculous premium in some places. Um.
San Francisco, I think is one of the most expensive
in the United States, but that has nothing on Hong Kong,
nothing on Tokyo. And these are incredibly, incredibly dense areas.
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So people started building up and down because you can't
build out anymore. Horizontal don't work. Um. So there are
all kinds of people who have proposed these ideas of
massive underground cities. But honestly, at this point, the closest
thing we've got are the dumbs that we talked about,
the deep underground military bases and you know bunkers that
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some people have made. There are a couple of missile
silos that are being changed into you know, in case
s hits, the fan scenarios. There's they're like really nice
vertical mansions. Um, you can find you can find these
occasionally for sale on the internet. Um, dude, and if
I if I hit the lottery or something, Yeah, I
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guess what this guy is getting one of those? Can
I can I rent a spot from? Oh yeah, everybody
gets to join. If you know me, we're going. You
just made a lot of friends. That's okay, We're gonna
start a whole new world together deep underground. So if
we do start this whole new world together deep underground,
then it's more of a comeback than it is an
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innovation because we have delved into Earth forever and that
brings us to something a little bit different. We'll talk
about one of our ancient earth delving experiments, the catacomb.
So what is a catacomb. Well, a catacomb is it
can really be described as any underground passage way that
was you could say it was typically used for burial
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in the beginning. In the beginning at least, But now
there are a lot of things described as catacombs that aren't.
You know, in my head, I wouldn't have viewed them
as catacombs back in the day. Oh yeah, because they
are really old. Like the first places that we know
of that we're called catacombs or these underground tombs in
uh the Appian Way in the Empire of Rome, and
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that's um, that's something I think we mentioned in our vlog.
The Appian Way is really interesting. I was watching a
Rick Steves. I know he's a competitor I guess in
some weird way with us, but Rick Steves with his
I think his PBS show. Yeah, Rick Steves is awesome.
I would have him on our show, dude. I really
enjoy his show. But anyway, he did a whole thing
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on the catacombs in Rome in the Appian Way, and
I put a tiny little clip in there and I
watched the whole thing. It was awesome. I would highly
recommend you watching it. And this that parts the part
of the Appian Ways, uh so old that it has
been rumored the apostles Paul and Peter were buried in there. Yeah,
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that's I mean that goes all the way back to
the common Era, like early days of the Common Era.
That's that's old. Now by the eighteen hundreds, I think
that's when that shift occurred that you and I were
talking about, where the word catacomb can refer to any
structure that was underground and held the dead in mass graves.
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And this was more um. This, this enlargement of the
term was something that we find happens pretty often just
in English. Yeah, and you'll find these catacombs all over
the world, but probably the one you've heard of the
most are the catacombs in Paris. We've had a couple
of people talk to us about visiting the cateacory s
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are Um. We actually we need to thank give a
big thanks to our listener heather S who wrote to
us with a fantastic, h very dense like email with
all these facts and then set up, uh, set up
some pictures that we could use and stuff. So thank
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you very much either. That was really really cool. Um,
and I think we wrote back thanking her. Oh yeah,
and I will be making use of some of those
images in the video coming up this week. That's a
that's an official special thanks that we should probably have
show up in the video. Yea, though I wish we
could show you a sign right now that just said
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thanks Heather, and we can't do it. I don't know
how to get that information to you. If only everybody
at synas Asia you know what I mean. Anyway, Yes,
So back to catacombs. Um, I think, as we alluded
to earlier, most catacombs have been used for multiple things. Right,
it's not all just mass graves, but that's that's sort
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of the main thing. Yeah, and well after once a
catacomb has been around for a while, if it ever
goes into disuse or maybe there aren't a lot of
there's not a lot of foot traffic in there anymore,
you'll find people like squatters hanging out there. Um, you'll
even find this is my favorite underground political movements, uh,
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like gatherings of rebels would use a catacomb because it's
one of the most secret places you could go and
meet if you didn't want anybody on the surface knowing
what's going on, if you don't want the guys on
the surface, get get in a little too uh too
keen on your business. Which what's weird is that this
sort of this sort of structure offers such an enormous
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opportunity as a hideout that there were times, you know,
during World War Two when the French Resistance was working
on stuff during one part of the war or in
one area of the city of Paris, and then the
Nazis also had their catacomb base. It's clear, you know,
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we had some tough times trying to find some information
on squatter communities in the catacombs currently around the world.
But I would say almost certainly, especially in very dense,
expensive cities, they're almost certainly squatters. Yeah. So if you
look at a city like New York that has such
an extensive underground part to it, there are subway systems, Yeah,
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there there were areas. I don't know, oh man, what
the heck was it called New York's Bandoned Subway Station?
There were jeez, there was a great documentary that I
saw Netflix ages ago about this one abandoned subway station
that was being used and it was basically a whole
city of people living in there and they all got
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kicked out for some reason. But man, it was awesome
dark days. I think maybe something like that, I don't know.
That's absolutely right, Matt and uh, listeners, ladies and gentlemen,
We know that some of you maybe listening to this
show under the influence of chemicals. If you are, we
don't want you to be freaked out by thinking of
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the invisible world that runs beneath your feet. Think of
the forgotten subway stations, think of the underground bunkers. The
next time you're in a crowded city and you walk
by one of those greats, look down. How far do
you think it goes? And where do you think it goes? Uh? Yeah,
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but don't worry. Don't worry about that too. To bring
it the Yeah, don't't worry. Pay no attention to the
people behind the sewer grade. Yeah, that makes me think
of Penny Wise. Dude. Okay, before we move on. I
know we're moving on. I just I want to say
how excited I am. E three was going on, and
maybe it's still going on. I was watching videos from it.
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Did you see the New Assassin's Creed? No, I have not.
The New Assassin's Creed is based around the French Revolution
in Paris, and I cannot wait to see if they
make use of any of the catacombs or I don't know,
maybe well just that let alone the catacombs, just that
time period. I'm so excited to play it, and everybody
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knows I'm a huge gamer. I'm sorry, but it's great. Oh.
One thing also that we should mention. I hope they
do make use of the catacombs. One thing we should
mention is that catacombs in the in the world the
way that we're talking now, using of course, that in
large definition, which includes things which are not necessarily from
the Roman Empire. Uh. Well, that's a heck of a
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run on sentence. Colon point being colon. Uh. These catacombs
are surprisingly accessible, at least small parts of them. You
can easily visit as a tourist, as long as you
stay within the areas that the authorities have marked as safe.
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Their primary concerns, of course, being things like cavens, because
a lot of these are very old safety concerns about
unexpected drops, you know, satanic cult areas. They don't want
you to go. That's the question. Yeah, safety is it? Safety?
What else is? What else is out there? You know? Um,
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I'm sorry. I was just hopefully no one was taking
me serious. Oh yeah, I was, because there there wouldn't
be anywhere. Yeah, okay, okay, we'll move on. Uh So,
the let's bracket catacombs for a second, because we do
need to go back to that exploration. Okay, Ben, are
you referring to the Hollow Earth exploration? You know, I
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love that you brought this up. This has been one
of my favorite conspiracy theories since the very beginning of
our show, Matt, we just lay it on me, man,
hollow Earth? What's up? What's going on? Well, there's so
many different parts too. I guess we'll start with there
were some explorations by the Nazis to Antarctica. Yes to
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found New Swabia. Yes to found New Schwabia, because you
know it's more land. We're we're an empire of sorts.
We need to control as much as we can. Well,
here's nobody's over here, let's might as well take that piece.
But there could have been more to it than that.
What if they thought that there was some sort of
entrance into the Earth that led to the whole other
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underside of the Earth, where there's a whole another race
of humanoids, human beings of sorts, which are are somehow
acceptable and cool to the incredibly racist Nazis. Yeah, well,
I'm just gonna gonna point that out. That always bugged me.
They just welcome them in with the salute, and yeah,
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maybe they were just waving. But levity aside that, that
is one of the biggest conspiracy theories, and that's when
we tackled in one of our very very early episodes,
um and the Hollow Earth is this group of conspiracy theories,
some of which say that the world is completely hollow
and there's a hidden universe or excuse me, a hidden civilization.
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They're only another Earth essentially, just yeah, that's exactly a yeah,
another uh an inverse version of Earth. And aside from
all of the scientific reasons that that seems impossible. Aside
from all of that, right, yeah, which we I think
we do list in our episode on that there's there's
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this weird thing that um we there. There are these
weird things that we stumble on that could be the
grains of truth, right, and that later become the basis
of these theories. So it is true as you say
that Germany did intend to found a place called New
Swabia on Antarctica. Um, whether or not that would have
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been a wise decision is is anybody's guests, just because
of how inhospitable it is to live in Antarctica. Even
with technology today, it's extremely difficult to maintain bases there.
I think they're only a handful. Yeah, and their research stations. Yeah. Um,
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you can travel to Antarctica on tour, which is something
that I wanted to do for a while. Funny story
met when you and I were uh first doing that episode.
Remember we found the We found this group of guys
on the internet who were getting ready to take an
expedition to Antarctica to find whether or not there was
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an entrance into Um they didn't say a hollow earth necessarily.
They said more like a large cave system where something
might be living. And um, yes, sign me up, I
want to watch I want to go I'll take a camera,
let's do it. Yeah. I sent an application in but
got no response, so I I checked before we went
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on air, and I couldn't find any updates on it.
But um, what's what's weird about that is that that
leads us to all of the stuff we don't know
about this surface, which is why when we hear people
talking about you know, secret underground even cities and stuff
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like that, we can say probably not, but we can't
completely say no way. I mean, it's just just with okay,
just with um. One of the longest known cave systems,
Mammoth Cave System in Kentucky. We don't really know what
goes on in Mammoth Cave System. We know it's big,
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and we know it spreads out way further than it should. Yeah. Well,
I love that their technology, their technologies now that we
can use to begin mapping that stuff. Yeah. Have you
seen the little drone guys, little miniature drones that Yeah, man,
it's so cool it It feels to me like, I
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don't know how many of you are been Did you
see Prometheus? Yes, the little little drones they send out,
they go down the systems we're getting. We're not there,
but we're getting close to their right. We do. We
do have more and more technology that allows us to
explore things, um in a much safer way than we
would have been able to previously. But even to go
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back to our discussion about catacombs and minds and stuff,
in Odessa, that's one of the world's largest structures of
this sort. They have an entire thing, entire network of
tunnels and caverns that are you know, roped off to
the public lack of better word, that's K to nine,
and no one is sure yet, uh, in the absence
(33:24):
of one of these cave drones exactly how far KH
nine goes or where it goes, and is most the
vast majority of this is man made. They may have
perhaps found, uh, you know, some natural caves, but I
don't think so. I think these are all man made.
So whomever made them forgot or because it's you know,
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it's mining. So about once every five years, uh, some
unlucky tour guide or cataphile, uh finds another body because
people it's so big that people get lost, and it's
The Parisian catacombs are really nice in that they have
these signs that tell you where you're at you know, uh,
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not so in Odessa, it's just a long dark somebody
needs to get on that start mapping it out right,
and some drones. They're even places in Vietnam. The San
Dum Cave. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, it's another one of
the largest cave systems in the world. It's five and
a half miles long, and it's crazy. There's an inside
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of it. Get this, there's a jungle oh in the
part of it that's like open air. Right. There's also
you've got a river inside of it as well, because
you know, as we know, a lot of the cave
systems were formed by water, it would make sense. But
this one has a nice big river. And this is crazy.
You could fit a forty story skyscraper inside of this thing,
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like vertically or horizontally. Well, I would do it. Kind
of have to cia to get it in. UM's that's interesting.
So we have these. These are just a few examples
of a fact that will disturb some people and excite
others UM listeners. If you remember, in the old days
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of exploration, cartographers would often put here be serpents or
terry incognita for monsters, the unknown stuff at the edge
of the map exactly that unknown stuff still exist. There
really are edges of maps with no end or no
knowable end, and uh, some of them are in these
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gigantic cave systems, which makes it just possible enough that
we could say there's something there that we don't know
about or something. You know, I'd be very surprised if
there was something they don't want you to know, but um,
maybe maybe there is. It's there's probably not. I'm gonna
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say that there's probably not uh some some big secret.
But if there is, uh, it would be on the
edges of those maps. And we know that it's worth
learning because as recently as two thousand and twelve, scientists
were discovering new forms of life within caves. So after
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a certain points, we really don't have an idea what's
down there, you know. And so here is to encouraging
young people to explore caves and become the scientists. Yeah,
go cave diving, I mean, come back, But yeah, cave
diving is an incredibly dangerous pursuit. But underwater caves, of course,
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are even more enigmatic in a lot of ways. So again,
the I guess the emphasis here is that all the
evidence we're finding does not tell us the earth is hollow,
but all the evidence we're finding also tells us that
there is a lot more underneath our feet that we're
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aware of yet. That's right. So what do you think?
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From UFOs two, ghosts and government cover ups. History is
writted with unexplained events. You can turn back now or
learn the stuff they don't want you to now. Hello,
welcome back to the show. My name is Matt, and
I am then and today we're going deep. Yes, we're
(00:22):
going deep literally, figuratively, metaphorically, and I'm sure a couple
of elites that I've forgot to mention. Uh. The big
question here to start us off, Matt, is can we
be happy underground? Not the bend full of song, but
the honest question. Sure, I think we can be happy underground.
(00:45):
There are lots of different people who have been happy underground. No,
we hide in our homes. We build these structures so
it feels like we're somewhat underground. We lived in caves.
Humans lived in caves for a very long time because
we need shelter, and what better shelter than the thing
that's right beneath you and closed and closed. In this episode,
(01:08):
we are going to talk about the world beneath your
feet now, Matt, you and I have are are midway
through our series this week, which is on catacombs primarily,
but then on also other other ancient hidden things. I
think we brought our classics Crystal skull episode back. Yeah,
(01:31):
Crystal Skulls. It's that's a polarizing episode. Oh yeah, no
kidding people, people are mad at us. One of my
favorite things about that, as a side note, um, is
how many people felt so strongly about the video or
that they didn't watch that they saw the title and
ran directly to the comments to say, you guys are
(01:52):
full of b as. These things are not actual alien artifacts,
which is pretty much what we say in the video.
But you know, you'd have to watch it, I know,
and I'm and I'm always like, well, did you see
Indiana Jones three four? I mean, I don't know whichever
one that came out. Yeah, with the Indiana Jones the uh.
(02:16):
But but all of that aside, um, and you know,
I'm I'm just joshing a little bit with the YouTube commanders.
I know, people get heated. But all of that aside,
it did bring up some really interesting topics that we
had touched on before. Now, this is a little bit
close to our episode on deep underground military bases, but
(02:36):
it's much bigger. It's more of a grab bag. So
first to understand if we can really be happy underground.
We have to understand what underground is, which means we
need a quick recap of Earth's structure. And luckily it's
pretty simple, right and thankfully there's this thing called geology
that looks at rocks and you know, what are we
(02:57):
on but one giant rock that has a multi middle.
So we live, all of us, you listening right now,
We live on the surface of the Earth. And then
directly below that surface there's the crust and sexy name,
Oh yeah, that crusty crust, and that where it comes
out of the mouth. Strangely, it's three to six miles thick,
(03:19):
and that's that's underneath the ocean, and then it's around
two forty some miles underneath the surface of the land.
And that's that's really thin when you think about it.
If you think about how large the Earth actually is
very thin. So imagine an apple. Okay, it's kind of
the skin. Think about the skin in that tiny little
(03:41):
layer that is the crust, and under the skin in
this apple comparison, we have the mushy insides known as
the mantle. The mantle is the largest part of earth
earth structure. It's really really hot, which might be counter
in two. It of to some people because you know,
(04:02):
we know that people live in caves for a while,
because it holds a cold temperature better in an arid environment.
But once you get down to where the pressure is increasing, uh,
it's a whole different ball game. So the mantle, even
though it's hot, and it's hot enough that parts of
it would melt, it stays solid primarily because the pressure
(04:23):
deep inside the planet is too great to permit melting. However,
when it does melt, you know, in a plate shifts
or something like that, boom, magma makes its way to
the outer crust. Sorry, Pompeii. That's just how it goes.
So then you keep going down and you get to
the core. Now the core has two different parts. There's
there's an inner core and an outer core. The outer
(04:46):
one is it's liquid um. I mean, it's the kind
of the magma stuff, but it's just underneath the earth
that's just kind of pressure, super pressure, like Ben was
saying with the mantle. And then you've got to keep
going down all the way you get to the very center,
which is theorized right to be solid. Yes, but it's
(05:09):
basically and this thing is crazy hot. It's it's almost
it's not as hot as the sun. It's almost as
hot as the sun, right, right, and again according to
the estimations, because no human being that we know of
has uh the center of the earth gotten remotely close
to it. However, this is interesting because you know, when
we were talking about the hollow earth theories, there were
(05:31):
people who said, well, of course the core appears to
be as hot as the sudden, because there is a
mini tour son within the core of the earth. Neither
you nor I really bought just do due to what
we understand about the magnetosphere and the physics involved, right,
and gravitational pull and stuff, it seems very difficult to
(05:55):
explain how that could that sort of condition could be true.
But but a fascinating story. Fascinating story, and it is
true that we know dead lee about the core of
the earth. Really, we we make these guesses. You know,
it's really hot, that's not tough to guess. And oh,
it's maybe it's a nickel alloy of some sort of
(06:15):
you know, hopefully we'll find out. But if we dig
in and we say that, all right, everything that people
are doing, as far as the science goes, everything that
people are doing inside Earth so far is just going
to different areas of the crust. People do live in
cave homes, right, People go to ground all the time.
(06:37):
They live in caves um and have as you mentioned
Matt for for right. Oh yeah, yeah, their their cave
homes all over Australia, UM and throughout the world there
are cave homes, ancient ancient cave sure structures where people
would live all a little. They look like cities almost.
You've seen these canyon settlements in the United it States,
(07:00):
and there are there are a lot of reasons that
a human group would go there. There's temperature regulation, um,
there's all kinds of escaping, dangerous environments, maybe even dangerous animals, predators. Um, yes,
I'm safety was a huge issue. Different to have a
group moving towards a cave or at least underground. I
(07:21):
remember we've seen some older settlements, you know, ancient semments
like those two that we always mispronounced. Oh go both
of us, uh go go back Lee Tepe and kayle
hulk is how it's spelled. Yeah, I'm just gonna let
you do that. But one thing you do have to
deal with now that you're living basically underneath a large
(07:44):
piece of rock, or underneath a cave, inside of a cave,
and it's the you gotta worry, worry about the earth
itself kind of fighting against you. Yeah, So if there's
any kind of earthquakes shifts, bad news, right salutely. And
this means that, of course you could be in a
cave in if you dig too deep. Hobbit holes are
(08:07):
a real thing. Uh. There's the idea of building a
house sort of on a hill structure, so it's not
actually cave, it's not in bedrock, it's just covered with dirt. Um.
There are also these ongoing plans to build massive permanent
living areas underground. One of the one of the most
science fiction type ones is this thing called Alice City,
(08:30):
which already sounds like it's an autom a right uh
in Japan, and it's these two domes and these shafts
that go way deep into the ground, and there are
all sorts of plans to try to make it okay
to live in there. Um because as we're about to see,
many people love to visit underground, but uh, not a
(08:51):
lot of people want to live there. And that way,
it's kind of similar to Orlando yeah, I've been there
a couple of times. I enjoyed. I enjoyed my time
I was there briefly. Right yeah, um so, and this
is the part Matt where during our show, somebody's listening
right now, and um, yes, it's true. We can hear
your thoughts just a little bit. We know that you're thinking, Hey,
(09:13):
people already have these massive underground living complexes. Governments, right,
private entities have have something like that. But we're not
talking about the doomsday bunkers. Uh. Those things are contingency plans.
They're not people living in those twenty four hours a day.
Right now, we're talking about a commercial thing in underground city. Um,
(09:38):
much more than an apartment complex where you could be
born and die and never go to the surface world.
We're talking about that more people type stuff, right. That's
a great scenario. So okay, so let's talk a little
bit about how deep we've actually gone we okay, you know,
no one's gone too deep into the mantle, um, but
let's just talk about the deepest hole that's ever been
(10:01):
at least thus far. It's it's called the Cola Super
Deep Bore Hole, and that's it's where Russia basically reached
a depth of seven and a half miles and it's
the deepest man made hole on the planet currently and
it's probably gonna stay that way for a while just
given the crazy temperatures involved with the process of trying
(10:22):
to get that deep. Well, it's crazy hot, man. And
think about if you've got boring technology, just a massive
metal drill, and you're just going down and down and down.
Eventually you're gonna hit a point where your equipment is
going to just fail and it's not going to be
able to function um And then what if you get
(10:42):
into kind of the more liquid e molten areas where
the where the pressure makes the rock behave more like
a plastic And then what do you do It gets
all gunked up on your drill. You're trying to get
it out. If you get if you get a little
bit out, there's gonna be just more fills it in,
like like you would if you hit a pool of water. Yeah. Yeah,
(11:03):
And uh. The thing that taught me about this, because
I remember us talking about this before, was one of
the most surprising things scientists found other than that it's
really difficult to drill a hole that deep, is that
they found signs of ancient life or micro fossils. Um
in this rock was two billion years old. These were
(11:25):
single cell plants, so plankton basically. That freaks me out. Man. Yeah,
that's that's intense. Just you know what, maybe the world
there's only six thousand years old been oh wait, probably not. Well,
you know, those rocks might have come from somewhere else.
That's what happened. That's what happened. We're doing the rock theory,
(11:47):
not the wrestling. So this idea that there are signs
of life, that there are extreme of files that live
under the surface of Earth and these remote, inaccessible areas,
all of this naturally makes human beings, some of them
narcissistic of Earth's creatures. Wonder why don't we live underground
right now? Well, it's because we've evolved to live above ground. Evolution.
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Sorry but yes, but truly it's me it's because of that.
If you think about your circadian rhythms, the way your
body releases chemicals when it thinks it's time to go
to bed, it's directly related with night, which means you're
probably on the surface, so that during the day when
the sun's out. You know, not only are you are
you able to use the sun to figure out where
(12:34):
the heck you're walking around? You? Um, But it's absence
cause the chemicals released. Now it's time for bed, right, Yeah,
we're diurnal, that's the that's the fancy word for it,
right and we um. We also have this weird relationship
with this thing called vitamin D, which I'm whare of
(12:55):
internet slang. It's not that vitamin D, but uh, it's
the actual vitamin that prevents rickets, keeps your immune system
pimp and strong. And it's also, weirdly enough, the only
vitamin that we don't get from food or flint Stone's chewables.
We actually create vitamin D. Get this, folks through photosynthesis. Yeah,
(13:17):
plants like plants. No, I think I think you're You're wrong. No,
well I'm I'm not the one pedalin evolution. So uh
So the thing is that, weirdly enough, the ultra violet
radiation coming from sunlight causes this photosynthesis that produces vitamin
D in our cells. So no sunlight, no vitamin D
(13:41):
q rickets cheese. And that's not the only thing that
sunlight kind of allows us to produce. Um. We produce
saratonin also through sunlight. Without sunlight, we basically get that
thing that you've heard it before, seasonal effective disorder, where
you're just feeling down and oppressed and oh man, when
(14:02):
is when is the sun coming back? And they say never,
we're north of the Arctic circle. Oh gosh, and then
you're like, oh man, I can't sleep right, can't sleep
at all. Let me just point out for anyone who
didn't catch there, hasn't heard of this, Matt, what was
the name of that disorder again, Seasonal effective disorder, which
makes the acronym SAD, which I still think it's funny.
(14:25):
So it's it's just a note on this one. You've
probably seen this before to Matt, where they've they've got
these programs in some um northern countries, countries that are
closer and closer to the Arctic Circle, where they expose
children to ultra violet light. Right, these are school kids
and they're being exposed to that UV light we talked
(14:46):
about earlier to help with the assistance of vitamin D
and serotonin and to prevent them from coming becoming s
A d uh acquiring s A D acquiring SAD, acquiring SAD. Sorry,
I'm no, we're making light of it. But it's a
real thing, and it's I mean, it's pretty serious. It
can lead to you two bad things, no joke. Um,
(15:11):
So okay, then we need some light. We've we've we
figured that out. What else do we need? Oh we
need air. Oh yeah, that's that's important. Gotta be able
to breathe. You gotta be able to send oxygen to
all of your cells. So most humans have evolved, I'm
just gonna go with this. So most of us, um
(15:35):
using the word again, have evolved to accept the mixture
of a couple of different things in the air. You've
got nitrogen, you've got oxygen, are gone even and c
O two and at sea level the atmospheric pressure. Uh,
it's that's where we need it. We need it to
be at the pressure of sea level or you know,
in a varying range. That's the sweet spot we evolved
(15:56):
to exactly. Okay. Uh yeah, And that's you know, not
counting Tibetans and Andians who over um multiple generations living
in these high out to two places. They got a
little weird with it and they are better at um
getting oxygen from the thin environment. Right. Um. But yeah,
(16:17):
so in general, we've evolved to live in this area
on land, breathing just the the tap water version of air. Right,
So what happens? What what does this have to do
with us being underground? Well, it's atmospheric pressure. So it's
the opposite of going way up into the Indian mountains. Right,
(16:40):
So if you go deep, deep into the ground, the
pressure is going to increase, uh, like crazy. And so
if you spend too much time, you know, too far
below sea level, it makes the components of the air
separate from our blood. And this is the thing that
you've probably heard before called the bends where if you're
diving deep um under the ocean and you can't come
(17:04):
up very fast because if you do, all of the
all of the molecules separate, So you would have to
that's why you have to decompress, right, you have to
go up more slowly. You will, you go up really slowly.
Then usually have to spend time in a decompression chamber
just to make sure everything stays the way it should.
And miners have to do the same decompression staging two
(17:26):
right if they go too deep. Okay, so here's the
here's the next question I have then, um for you
Matt and for everybody listening, will we eventually have to
live underground? Evolutionarily? Uh? Disadvantaged as we may be for that?
Oh man, you're gonna make me bring up another subject
that everyone gets really happy about or really mad about.
(17:50):
What's that climate change? Depending on what happens on the
surface of the earth, we may be forced to at
least spend some more time underground. And you've got all
kinds of technologies now that can assist us in living undergrown. Um,
it won't be easy though, you know, in Alice City
they were talking about simulating weather patterns. You know, So
(18:11):
would it be easier to always live underground? If you
felt that there was a window, which you know is
fake intellectually, but this window shows you sunlight and nighttime
rain on the glass. I think it would make things easier.
But it'd be cool if you could program it, program
your own room or your maybe your level or something
(18:33):
that of a hollow deck. Oh man, one day, one day.
So billions of people are spreading across the planet right
and space is already at a ridiculous premium in some places. Um.
San Francisco, I think is one of the most expensive
in the United States, but that has nothing on Hong Kong,
nothing on Tokyo. And these are incredibly, incredibly dense areas.
(18:58):
So people started building up and down because you can't
build out anymore. Horizontal don't work. Um. So there are
all kinds of people who have proposed these ideas of
massive underground cities. But honestly, at this point, the closest
thing we've got are the dumbs that we talked about,
the deep underground military bases and you know bunkers that
(19:20):
some people have made. There are a couple of missile
silos that are being changed into you know, in case
s hits, the fan scenarios. There's they're like really nice
vertical mansions. Um, you can find you can find these
occasionally for sale on the internet. Um, dude, and if
I if I hit the lottery or something, Yeah, I
(19:44):
guess what this guy is getting one of those? Can
I can I rent a spot from? Oh yeah, everybody
gets to join. If you know me, we're going. You
just made a lot of friends. That's okay, We're gonna
start a whole new world together deep underground. So if
we do start this whole new world together deep underground,
then it's more of a comeback than it is an
(20:05):
innovation because we have delved into Earth forever and that
brings us to something a little bit different. We'll talk
about one of our ancient earth delving experiments, the catacomb.
So what is a catacomb. Well, a catacomb is it
can really be described as any underground passage way that
was you could say it was typically used for burial
(20:27):
in the beginning. In the beginning at least, But now
there are a lot of things described as catacombs that aren't.
You know, in my head, I wouldn't have viewed them
as catacombs back in the day. Oh yeah, because they
are really old. Like the first places that we know
of that we're called catacombs or these underground tombs in
uh the Appian Way in the Empire of Rome, and
(20:49):
that's um, that's something I think we mentioned in our vlog.
The Appian Way is really interesting. I was watching a
Rick Steves. I know he's a competitor I guess in
some weird way with us, but Rick Steves with his
I think his PBS show. Yeah, Rick Steves is awesome.
I would have him on our show, dude. I really
enjoy his show. But anyway, he did a whole thing
(21:10):
on the catacombs in Rome in the Appian Way, and
I put a tiny little clip in there and I
watched the whole thing. It was awesome. I would highly
recommend you watching it. And this that parts the part
of the Appian Ways, uh so old that it has
been rumored the apostles Paul and Peter were buried in there. Yeah,
(21:32):
that's I mean that goes all the way back to
the common Era, like early days of the Common Era.
That's that's old. Now by the eighteen hundreds, I think
that's when that shift occurred that you and I were
talking about, where the word catacomb can refer to any
structure that was underground and held the dead in mass graves.
(21:56):
And this was more um. This, this enlargement of the
term was something that we find happens pretty often just
in English. Yeah, and you'll find these catacombs all over
the world, but probably the one you've heard of the
most are the catacombs in Paris. We've had a couple
of people talk to us about visiting the cateacory s
(22:18):
are Um. We actually we need to thank give a
big thanks to our listener heather S who wrote to
us with a fantastic, h very dense like email with
all these facts and then set up, uh, set up
some pictures that we could use and stuff. So thank
(22:41):
you very much either. That was really really cool. Um,
and I think we wrote back thanking her. Oh yeah,
and I will be making use of some of those
images in the video coming up this week. That's a
that's an official special thanks that we should probably have
show up in the video. Yea, though I wish we
could show you a sign right now that just said
(23:02):
thanks Heather, and we can't do it. I don't know
how to get that information to you. If only everybody
at synas Asia you know what I mean. Anyway, Yes,
So back to catacombs. Um, I think, as we alluded
to earlier, most catacombs have been used for multiple things. Right,
it's not all just mass graves, but that's that's sort
(23:25):
of the main thing. Yeah, and well after once a
catacomb has been around for a while, if it ever
goes into disuse or maybe there aren't a lot of
there's not a lot of foot traffic in there anymore,
you'll find people like squatters hanging out there. Um, you'll
even find this is my favorite underground political movements, uh,
(23:47):
like gatherings of rebels would use a catacomb because it's
one of the most secret places you could go and
meet if you didn't want anybody on the surface knowing
what's going on, if you don't want the guys on
the surface, get get in a little too uh too
keen on your business. Which what's weird is that this
sort of this sort of structure offers such an enormous
(24:12):
opportunity as a hideout that there were times, you know,
during World War Two when the French Resistance was working
on stuff during one part of the war or in
one area of the city of Paris, and then the
Nazis also had their catacomb base. It's clear, you know,
(24:33):
we had some tough times trying to find some information
on squatter communities in the catacombs currently around the world.
But I would say almost certainly, especially in very dense,
expensive cities, they're almost certainly squatters. Yeah. So if you
look at a city like New York that has such
an extensive underground part to it, there are subway systems, Yeah,
(24:56):
there there were areas. I don't know, oh man, what
the heck was it called New York's Bandoned Subway Station?
There were jeez, there was a great documentary that I
saw Netflix ages ago about this one abandoned subway station
that was being used and it was basically a whole
city of people living in there and they all got
(25:16):
kicked out for some reason. But man, it was awesome
dark days. I think maybe something like that, I don't know.
That's absolutely right, Matt and uh, listeners, ladies and gentlemen,
We know that some of you maybe listening to this
show under the influence of chemicals. If you are, we
don't want you to be freaked out by thinking of
(25:39):
the invisible world that runs beneath your feet. Think of
the forgotten subway stations, think of the underground bunkers. The
next time you're in a crowded city and you walk
by one of those greats, look down. How far do
you think it goes? And where do you think it goes? Uh? Yeah,
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but don't worry. Don't worry about that too. To bring
it the Yeah, don't't worry. Pay no attention to the
people behind the sewer grade. Yeah, that makes me think
of Penny Wise. Dude. Okay, before we move on. I
know we're moving on. I just I want to say
how excited I am. E three was going on, and
maybe it's still going on. I was watching videos from it.
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Did you see the New Assassin's Creed? No, I have not.
The New Assassin's Creed is based around the French Revolution
in Paris, and I cannot wait to see if they
make use of any of the catacombs or I don't know,
maybe well just that let alone the catacombs, just that
time period. I'm so excited to play it, and everybody
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knows I'm a huge gamer. I'm sorry, but it's great. Oh.
One thing also that we should mention. I hope they
do make use of the catacombs. One thing we should
mention is that catacombs in the in the world the
way that we're talking now, using of course, that in
large definition, which includes things which are not necessarily from
the Roman Empire. Uh. Well, that's a heck of a
(27:08):
run on sentence. Colon point being colon. Uh. These catacombs
are surprisingly accessible, at least small parts of them. You
can easily visit as a tourist, as long as you
stay within the areas that the authorities have marked as safe.
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Their primary concerns, of course, being things like cavens, because
a lot of these are very old safety concerns about
unexpected drops, you know, satanic cult areas. They don't want
you to go. That's the question. Yeah, safety is it? Safety?
What else is? What else is out there? You know? Um,
(27:50):
I'm sorry. I was just hopefully no one was taking
me serious. Oh yeah, I was, because there there wouldn't
be anywhere. Yeah, okay, okay, we'll move on. Uh So,
the let's bracket catacombs for a second, because we do
need to go back to that exploration. Okay, Ben, are
you referring to the Hollow Earth exploration? You know, I
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love that you brought this up. This has been one
of my favorite conspiracy theories since the very beginning of
our show, Matt, we just lay it on me, man,
hollow Earth? What's up? What's going on? Well, there's so
many different parts too. I guess we'll start with there
were some explorations by the Nazis to Antarctica. Yes to
(28:37):
found New Swabia. Yes to found New Schwabia, because you
know it's more land. We're we're an empire of sorts.
We need to control as much as we can. Well,
here's nobody's over here, let's might as well take that piece.
But there could have been more to it than that.
What if they thought that there was some sort of
entrance into the Earth that led to the whole other
(29:00):
underside of the Earth, where there's a whole another race
of humanoids, human beings of sorts, which are are somehow
acceptable and cool to the incredibly racist Nazis. Yeah, well,
I'm just gonna gonna point that out. That always bugged me.
They just welcome them in with the salute, and yeah,
(29:21):
maybe they were just waving. But levity aside that, that
is one of the biggest conspiracy theories, and that's when
we tackled in one of our very very early episodes,
um and the Hollow Earth is this group of conspiracy theories,
some of which say that the world is completely hollow
and there's a hidden universe or excuse me, a hidden civilization.
(29:43):
They're only another Earth essentially, just yeah, that's exactly a yeah,
another uh an inverse version of Earth. And aside from
all of the scientific reasons that that seems impossible. Aside
from all of that, right, yeah, which we I think
we do list in our episode on that there's there's
(30:05):
this weird thing that um we there. There are these
weird things that we stumble on that could be the
grains of truth, right, and that later become the basis
of these theories. So it is true as you say
that Germany did intend to found a place called New
Swabia on Antarctica. Um, whether or not that would have
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been a wise decision is is anybody's guests, just because
of how inhospitable it is to live in Antarctica. Even
with technology today, it's extremely difficult to maintain bases there.
I think they're only a handful. Yeah, and their research stations. Yeah. Um,
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you can travel to Antarctica on tour, which is something
that I wanted to do for a while. Funny story
met when you and I were uh first doing that episode.
Remember we found the We found this group of guys
on the internet who were getting ready to take an
expedition to Antarctica to find whether or not there was
(31:13):
an entrance into Um they didn't say a hollow earth necessarily.
They said more like a large cave system where something
might be living. And um, yes, sign me up, I
want to watch I want to go I'll take a camera,
let's do it. Yeah. I sent an application in but
got no response, so I I checked before we went
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on air, and I couldn't find any updates on it.
But um, what's what's weird about that is that that
leads us to all of the stuff we don't know
about this surface, which is why when we hear people
talking about you know, secret underground even cities and stuff
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like that, we can say probably not, but we can't
completely say no way. I mean, it's just just with okay,
just with um. One of the longest known cave systems,
Mammoth Cave System in Kentucky. We don't really know what
goes on in Mammoth Cave System. We know it's big,
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and we know it spreads out way further than it should. Yeah. Well,
I love that their technology, their technologies now that we
can use to begin mapping that stuff. Yeah. Have you
seen the little drone guys, little miniature drones that Yeah, man,
it's so cool it It feels to me like, I
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don't know how many of you are been Did you
see Prometheus? Yes, the little little drones they send out,
they go down the systems we're getting. We're not there,
but we're getting close to their right. We do. We
do have more and more technology that allows us to
explore things, um in a much safer way than we
would have been able to previously. But even to go
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back to our discussion about catacombs and minds and stuff,
in Odessa, that's one of the world's largest structures of
this sort. They have an entire thing, entire network of
tunnels and caverns that are you know, roped off to
the public lack of better word, that's K to nine,
and no one is sure yet, uh, in the absence
(33:24):
of one of these cave drones exactly how far KH
nine goes or where it goes, and is most the
vast majority of this is man made. They may have
perhaps found, uh, you know, some natural caves, but I
don't think so. I think these are all man made.
So whomever made them forgot or because it's you know,
(33:47):
it's mining. So about once every five years, uh, some
unlucky tour guide or cataphile, uh finds another body because
people it's so big that people get lost, and it's
The Parisian catacombs are really nice in that they have
these signs that tell you where you're at you know, uh,
(34:08):
not so in Odessa, it's just a long dark somebody
needs to get on that start mapping it out right,
and some drones. They're even places in Vietnam. The San
Dum Cave. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, it's another one of
the largest cave systems in the world. It's five and
a half miles long, and it's crazy. There's an inside
(34:34):
of it. Get this, there's a jungle oh in the
part of it that's like open air. Right. There's also
you've got a river inside of it as well, because
you know, as we know, a lot of the cave
systems were formed by water, it would make sense. But
this one has a nice big river. And this is crazy.
You could fit a forty story skyscraper inside of this thing,
(34:57):
like vertically or horizontally. Well, I would do it. Kind
of have to cia to get it in. UM's that's interesting.
So we have these. These are just a few examples
of a fact that will disturb some people and excite
others UM listeners. If you remember, in the old days
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of exploration, cartographers would often put here be serpents or
terry incognita for monsters, the unknown stuff at the edge
of the map exactly that unknown stuff still exist. There
really are edges of maps with no end or no
knowable end, and uh, some of them are in these
(35:44):
gigantic cave systems, which makes it just possible enough that
we could say there's something there that we don't know
about or something. You know, I'd be very surprised if
there was something they don't want you to know, but um,
maybe maybe there is. It's there's probably not. I'm gonna
(36:05):
say that there's probably not uh some some big secret.
But if there is, uh, it would be on the
edges of those maps. And we know that it's worth
learning because as recently as two thousand and twelve, scientists
were discovering new forms of life within caves. So after
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a certain points, we really don't have an idea what's
down there, you know. And so here is to encouraging
young people to explore caves and become the scientists. Yeah,
go cave diving, I mean, come back, But yeah, cave
diving is an incredibly dangerous pursuit. But underwater caves, of course,
(36:50):
are even more enigmatic in a lot of ways. So again,
the I guess the emphasis here is that all the
evidence we're finding does not tell us the earth is hollow,
but all the evidence we're finding also tells us that
there is a lot more underneath our feet that we're
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aware of yet. That's right. So what do you think?
Are there any places near you that are maybe not
as explored underground places? Uh, go ahead and write to
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