UFOs and Clubhouse, with Roderick Martin

What do the world's foremost UFO investigators think of the latest revelations regarding UFOs (also known as UAP)? Join the guys as they speak with Roderick Martin, the creator and host of Clubhouse's Extraterrestrial Evidence, to discuss the inspiration for his show, the process of conducting a MUFON investigation, and more.

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is
riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or
learn the stuff they don't want you to know. A
production of I Heart Radio. Hello, and welcome back to

(00:25):
the show. My name is Noel. Our compatriot Matt is
on adventures but will be returning soon. They called me Ben.
We're joined as always with our super producer Paul. Mission
Control deconds. Most importantly, you are you, You are here,
and that makes this the stuff they don't want you
to know. Uh, Noel, it wasn't too long ago that

(00:46):
the US government released sort of a report on what
they call you a p s now as it was,
it was a little bit of a whimper, you know.
It wasn't me. We all hoped it would be, but
it was. It was something. It was some low key
acknowledgement that there's something weird going on right right And this, uh,
this was widely anticipated by a lot of experts in

(01:07):
the field of studying what maybe extra terrestrials, what are
called UFOs, what the government calls you a p s
And as we explored this on our show, we began
looking for more subject matter experts and that is why
today we are incredibly fortunate to be joined with the
one and only Roderick Martin, the creator of Extraterrestrial Evidence,

(01:32):
which is by far the best UFO show on Clubhouse. Roderick,
thank you so much for coming today. Hey, glad to
be here. So could you tell us just just a
little bit about the origin of extra terrestrial evidence? Was
there something in your life that, uh, that you personally encountered,

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or something that inspired you to bring this conversation more
to the forefront for people. What That's a great question,
and in fact I get that question all the time.
But I will say I got two sides to that,
so real quickly. The first side is I'm a UFO investigator, okay,
it made sense to talk about it. And the other

(02:14):
part of that, you know, I was married, right and
I was in the house. I couldn't even talk about
UFOs two years ago, you know, I just could not
in the house. Okay, So when Clubhouse came, I was like,
you know what, this is a perfect place I can
maybe get twenty people in the room to talk about
some UFOs, you know, just to you know, talk, you know.
And now today it's twenty one thousand, got one of

(02:35):
the largest growing rooms there, a club there, and uh
and the rest of this history. You say you couldn't
talk about it in the house. I mean there's that
because you're a partner. I mean there was a stigma
around it. I think this is an interesting kind of
microcosm of the larger stigma behind talking about these kinds
of things, whether that's something that's been imposed over the
years by the government itself to kind of delegitimize these

(02:58):
kinds of conversations and certain people at just kind of taboo.
But why why didn't you feel comfortable talking about her?
Was it just something that she wasn't into Well, for starters,
it definitely wasn't government intervention. It was, you know, taboo.
You know, I'm in a community that it is taboo.
You know when um, I saw a UFO when I
was young, and I couldn't talk about that. I couldn't

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tell the you know, in my neighborhood where I grew up,
you saw a UFO, you could be the neighborhood bully
and you walk out there and tell somebody you saw
a UFO. Street cred gone. But in the house, you know,
and I think it goes a little back basic with
uh my ex wife religious background. So that's that's another

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connection when it gets down to my community when you
want to talk about extraterrestrials and then you you mix
that what up with the buible taboo subject period and so, uh,
it was just one of those things. But it didn't
keep me from researching that night when she would go
to sleep, or just doing my work or you know,
when I become became a you know, investigator and all

(04:00):
those things. So, but it definitely was not part of
our conversation, even just driving down the street and say, hey,
you know what about that UFO last night I saw
on TV that wasn't happening. Uh huh. So this, this
is fascinating because this probably is a similar situation, some
version of the situation that a lot of people listening

(04:20):
to the show today have encountered. I want to talk
a little bit about uh, your work as a UFO
investigator because unlike and this is not a ding on
other shows or other people who consider themselves ufologists, but
unlike a lot of those folks, you are actually a
an active member of move On, which is the largest

(04:44):
UFO investigative body. Uh. Non governmental investigative body in the US,
if not the world. Could you tell us a little
bit about uh just move on for anyone who isn't
aware of it, and how you have interacted with or
at the organization at times. And as you mentioned, uh,
you know, being that the move Fund is one of

(05:06):
the largest organizations out there, and for the novice or
people who are enthusiasts want to get more information about UFOs,
they actually have a website movefund dot com and then
a membership where or in their person can go and
get a membership and get some behind the scene files.
But if you want to go deeper, you know, get

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deeper into this thing, you then can go to their website,
become a member, and then go through the Move Fund University,
then go through the field training UH certification program, which
is extensive, it really is. And once you go through
those things, you now become a field investigator where you
not only have access like to the back end of

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the files, which is cool because you get to see
all the other cases everywhere, but then you begin to
get a mentor they're sign you cases uh and they
just kind of hold your hand every step of the way.
And then once you get down pack of writing the reports,
investigating the reports, going through thoroughly with the witnesses, and
then they turn your loose. And then at that point

(06:08):
you are an investigator. And he's still one of those
things that you know, you tell some people, Hey, I'm
a UFO investigator, and they get to Scooby doo lot
you know, yea so, and he's just one of those things.
So well, you mentioned the idea of uh, your wife's
your ex wife's christian faith potentially causing problems for her

(06:28):
to be able to wrap her head around these conversations.
But unless I'm mistaken, I believe you have stated that
you continue to be a religious person. You continue to
believe in God and Christianity. Is that accurate? That's very accurate?
And so how do you reconcile those things? Like, I mean,
you mentioned that that's a big barrier to entry for
a lot of folks that truly believe in the Bible,
and maybe whether it's like strict belief that the way

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it's written is exactly the way it occurred. Obviously there's
ways to look at it that are more you know,
conceptual or maybe parables or you know, kind of almost
like metaphors to apply to your life. But some people
this really could be. You know, it's the same with evolution.
Some people count evolution out entirely because it's not in
the Bible. How do you reconcile your belief that I
would consider you to be a true believer in in

(07:10):
extraterrestrials with your true belief in God and in the Bible. Well, there, there,
and and and I think you probably have made one
of the most astounding connection when it comes down to this. Uh.
And what I think about all of it, no, is
when you first of all, you're gonna believe in something, Okay.

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So I have not been to a point where I've said, okay,
I've been over the mountaintop. Now my whole Christian background
is just thrown out the window. Okay. However, you know,
once you're curious enough like I am and was, you
begin to check deeper into some of the stories. It's
no longer cultural biases where you just you grow up.

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This is a stigma just the way Jesus look um,
you know, goes back when people say they see clouds
all of a sudden, it's Jesus, right, And I get
that A lot of my clubs and when I'm speaking
to people, because you can literally know almost where they're
from based on some of the way they talk in
how they describe certain things. And so when it gets

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down to this extraterrestrial side. Uh, and even now when
you do and this this might be hardcore for the audience,
you know, you can go to the Book of Genesis,
verse one, chapter six. The verse says, let's make man
in our image, not mine. Are as employed? You know,
And that starts the process of like, oh, wait a minute,

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we mean are who is that? You know? Is God ploy?
You know? Is this is? But it's in the book,
you know. And so when you started running through scriptures
and there's a lot of them in there that core
that kind of gets you wondering about the story itself
that's in the Bible. Then you begin to explore deeper
and deeper. And since I've already had an interest in UFOs,

(08:57):
it wasn't hard for me to consume and without uh,
you know, going wow, this is this is going to
break my whole faith, you know, down to go into
the possibility that there's more out there and the possibility
that God could have created is this the universe? And
those the extraterrestrials to possibility. Well, I've always thought it

(09:18):
was a little bit self involved in a little bit
UH kind of conceded that the idea that we think
we are the only ones that God created in his image.
You know, I mean to me, I'm not a Christian.
I'm I guess what you call agnostic. I find the
UH again, with no disrespect the mythology of Christianity to
be fascinating, as I do that of many other religions,

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and there's a lot of interesting correlations between them. But
I've always thought it was a little short sighted for
true believers to think, really, is it's only us, we're
the only ones. I think there's a pretty common belief
or increase of belief on the increase um. You know,
in one of your most recent episodes of the podcast Roderick,
you explore this very subject, and it was one of

(10:00):
the things that that I was very interested in checking
out because UM, with with the idea of a literalist
interpretation of any book of faith, what we see is
that people treat UH. People sometimes pick and choose what
they tend to or what they want to take literally.
So if there's a description of something that might seem inexplicable,

(10:23):
um or strange to maybe um, maybe Christians who consider
themselves more skeptical. Right, the story of the Nephelim is
something that is that can be confusing to a lot
of those folks. And I love that you point out
the cultural lens, because when we look at things, we

(10:44):
are really looking at almost any fact or account, we're
looking at it through the framework of every moment of
our lives and our culture leading up to us encountering that.
So I I have to I have to ask you know,
don't you agree that the math is on the side

(11:05):
of life existing us at least somewhere else in the universe.
Like to your point, Noel, it's funny to me that
the math does back up this idea. Right, the universe
is so large, even just the part we can observe
that it's statistically certain that some kind of other life,

(11:25):
intelligent life, did exist, will exist, or does exist today.
Do you run into a lot of skepticism on the show,
Roderick or how do you how do you address people
who come to you with very skeptical ideas who say, like,
this is no such thing? Well, that question, do I
run into a lot of skepticism that's like is it

(11:47):
hot here in Texas? Yeah? Yeah, and it's the hot topic. Yeah.
So but you gotta remember when we're dealing with uh skepticism, off,
sometimes it's gonna fall under what are what we would
consider uh literary laziness, Okay, because what happens is most

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people are not curious. Right So for example, you know,
and I'm real cautious about this, and I wasn't in
the beginning, but now I am. When somebody comes up
on the show and and they'll just start trying to
state some information, and often times, if you're in a
lot of rooms, they'll just be like, oh yeah, and
and some people follow that person, Oh he's smart because
he just he found some on the internet. Me I'm

(12:30):
a little more curious. I'm gonna ask the questions where
did you find that, how where'd that come from? And whatever?
And sometimes it pisses some of them off, you know,
to where they think you're coming at them, but not.
But the worst case scenario is two types of people
when I say that, and you run into this skepticism
where you could get the person who you will come

(12:51):
up or you can tell something to and they won't
ask anything. They'll just like they'll just okay, I believe you.
And then you get the person who said me get
away from me with that UFO app And those two
people are identical. It's just that neither one will want
to go further to ask the questions, well, what makes
you think UFOs are real? What data or what information?

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And then I can start providing instances, Hey, this this
is why. And then I can said, go to the government.
They just said it. They did a press conference. Oh,
by the way, you pay taxes, right, yeah, well twenty
two million dollars port your taxi. Will you go to
work every day? You in on this deal? And and
that's the one to get them because when I tell
you look at that, you know the deductions in there,

(13:34):
the UFO program here, and we appreciate your money for
the calls, you know. And so they don't like that one,
But that's really what happened. So yes, I get a
lot of skepticism, uh, even right to this day, even
though now it's in mainstream media and most people still
deny the fact. And real quickly I'll get to this.

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I usually say, I tell you what the UFO is anything,
just identify unidentified flying objects. Do you all agree that
there's something up there we don't know what it is? Yeah, okay,
so now we'll go to the deepness of extraterrestrial but
at least let's all figure out that everybody is saying
there's something flat around we don't know what it is,

(14:16):
and it's called a UFO. I I kind of apply
that same thinking to the existence of God in some ways.
And I've said this on the show before. I think
I said I was an atheist or an agnostic. I
think agnostic is the one where I'm like, there's something,
but I don't know. I don't know that it's knowable
in my personal lifetime or in my personal experience. That
doesn't mean I'm going to stop questioning it, or be

(14:38):
interested or be uninterested in or just make it go away,
like in my mind. I mean something I talked to
friends and colleagues about constantly and on this show. And
I feel the same way about UFOs and U A
p s, Like, I don't know that it's knowable for
me yet in this lifetime, whether what they are or
what what exactly led to them existing. But I'm not
gonna say they don't exist, and I certainly think there's

(14:59):
interesting evidence out there to the idea that they definitely
do exist. Um. So, to me, when you shut down
people's ideas or shut down people's beliefs, you're shutting down
conversation that could be educational to both sides and could
be not only educational, but like enriching as a human being,
as someone living in the world. Like, I think these
are experiences and things that we should all give some

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credence to, even if it's only in like a thought
experiment type way. Um And I think that's a big
part of some of the conversations we have on this show.
So I appreciate your perspective on that very well. And
and no, I think it is it's one most step
that most people don't want to touch. This is our
children see right before our eyes every the landscape is changing,

(15:43):
and there it's gonna be parents who's gonna shut their
children out of the future of what's happening. For example,
what I mean is that, uh, go to Morgan Stanley's website.
Right right there they they they are telegraphing that the
new space economy is gonna be worth truly of dollars
telling people to invest in it. And then here's the
ten most fields that you know that's gonna be the

(16:07):
future of the economy. Now that means jobs, education, all
of these things. It's the future. They're telling this. Then
you got Jeff Bezos who says, and you gotta believe
him now, right, So what he says, we're gonna move
industries off this earth. And when he says it, it's
like ye have Hutton back in the day. Okay, Jeff,
I'm we're gonna move. And so you've got all of

(16:29):
this that's going on. Okay, So forget about the side
of you know, you know, UFOs and all of that.
Let's just go with the possibility. So we gotta least
start that conversation with our children that there may be
something else out there. Look to the stars. We're not
talking about They're no longer have to be astronauts. They're
just gonna get on something. We saw them go to
space in sixteen minutes to go to work. It'll be

(16:52):
the community. It's gonna be a commute. But imagine all
of those parents today who are saying no, no, no,
no no, and then the kids have grown up no,
and then all of sudden, they're mentally shocked when it's
now profound. It's not only there's something out there, but
this is where your job is going to be and
here's the future. And so imagine that generation, you know,

(17:15):
I think that's a prescient point. We in an earlier
episode of this show, uh, we stumbled across the like
we we recorded right after multiple billionaires had have announced
their space race, and we were thinking, there's a bigger
contextual sign here, isn't it. Like these some of the

(17:36):
world's most powerful people at the same time roughly just said,
you know, let's let's start getting deeper into space. And
the money follows. And I think it's really impactful the
way that you're framing this to speak speak to people
even you know, whether they are hardcore died in the world,
true believers, or whether they consider themselves hardcore skeptics. I

(17:59):
think speaking to pe in real time, day to day
terms of money and money's impact really drives home this
is a serious thing. Like we I'm gonna be honest,
we were off air crowing a little bit when that
UAP report came out. It wasn't to the extent of
Project blue Book, and it wasn't. I would say the

(18:22):
real report, which remains classified. It was just for Congress apparently,
but it gave so much validation to a lot of
those conversations there too. I'll share it with you. Yeah,
go ahead, Oh no, yeah, I'd like to talk about this. Yeah,
because one of the key points we saw was several

(18:42):
million dollars later the experts and aviation and aeronautics were saying,
we don't know, we don't know, we don't know. At
the very least, there was an acknowledgement that there's something
and we don't know. So what do you see as
the key points? Yeah, well you said it already, follow
the money, okay, and so but in a more deeper

(19:03):
sense to that, we we can go and look at
what most people are not seeing. Are Trump activated a
new military force. We have a new military call the
Space Force and nicknamed the Guardians. Okay, Now that means
there's gonna be a lot of people's children and I
get back to in the future. It's gonna be part
of that future. Right. But no, no, don't tell them

(19:26):
about UFOs, don't tell them about that. But they're gonna
be the Guardians of the future. So, but in that
report as we go through all of the instances that
they were saying, uh, we don't know what this is. Okay,
it's the possibility of that they did everything except for say,
extraterrestrials exists. We just want to make sure. But at
the very last line, the very last line is we

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need more money. So it's it's and and why with
Morgan Stanley, you know, talk about new space economy and
now the government is to put them put more money
into it. So all right, so that's one side out
of defense, though, although there has been other instances that
are showing that there's a reason we're moving in this direction,
and we can probably cover that later. He said earlier

(20:10):
about the hostility or different things that we the threat
or non threat, and we definitely need to get into that.
But I think for the most part, uh, like you said,
the money number one, the number two is preparing the
public real slowly that there's something that's gonna be happening.
Because in my world, there's always been this rum that
the extraterrestaurant was saying that it's time that you know,

(20:34):
we should now reveal themselves, and and it's just kind
of a story backstory. In fact, the Israeli Prime Minister,
I don't remember, he did an interview and he said that, yeah,
he mentioned the same exact thing. So all of these
things are happening and nobody knows what's really going on there.
But at the end of the day, that report, uh
should have been like marching news for the world, but

(20:57):
it wasn't. Uh. It's just like all right, nine pages. Okay.
So those of us and you follow you, okay, were
we disappointed? I wasn't, you know. Now, did I expect
for them to come out and say some things. No,
but it did give validation for all the people who thought,
you know, everybody who talked about this subject was cool, cool, crazy,
and all this Now it's there. It's a serious thing.

(21:19):
It's mandated. We gotta go look into this phenomenal. Right.
So but then they revealed they already been doing this.
So it's just one of these things I tell people that,
you know, we are at a time that and it's
probably the best time, especially for me to be in it.
It's a new beginning, it's the beginning. But all these
people have been around you follow me for sixty years.

(21:40):
Who got burnt out, who got slapped around, told it
was crazy. Don't do this. I mean my license plates
on my car says you follow you. It's interesting because,
like you mentioned validation, I think that's super important. Um,
but now you have folks like Louis Alisando, who is
this you know, massive figure in the UFO community, And
that's largely because he's in many many ways he's got

(22:01):
bigger than me, well physically, I mean, I mean he looms,
he looms large in the zeitgeist of of of the
UFO discussion. And I think a lot of that has
to do with the fact that he has government background,
and he really has. I don't I can't really see
an agenda or an ax to grind necessarily. I feel
like he's putting himself at risk by saying a lot
of the things that he's saying. You know, we know

(22:22):
that the government absolutely does have many, many acts as
to grind, and they do not care for their own
that then come and speak out against them after the fact,
or at least contradict their official narrative. You've mentioned that
you you've expressed confidence in his perspectives on the existence
of extraterrestrials. What is it about him that appeals to

(22:42):
you or that you appreciate or and do you see
him as that kind of like key figure that lends
a little more credence to this kind of conversation. Well,
the fact that he was there, you know, he's the
inside you know player back in the day on this
matter is one thing. Number two is the realism approach,
because he when when I do my clubs or the

(23:04):
Extra Terrest Evidence and clubhouse, Uh, you'll get all these
different perspectives, not just from the skeptics, but you're gonna
get what i'll call the factions that see the extraterrestrial
as benevovent right, this is the come in peace and
all of that. And then when you got lu Arisando
out there and he's saying from a strusategic point, guys,
we don't know what this is. It could be a threat,

(23:27):
and and it brings this clashing into both sides. And
what I like about that with him is because just
like all of us, I'll tell people all the time,
why the hell you got car insurance just in case
you have a wreck? So I want to be ready
just in the case they do something. I don't want
to be caught off guard, like the movies, you know,
and and being that one person have to go look

(23:48):
for that guy to change the whole thing because he
come up with some you know, biological thing. No, we
need to be yeah, you know, you know what I'm saying.
So when Lou Alexando talks about the seriousness and when
we see videos, he talks about those five aservables, right,
and one in particular is that trans medium travel where

(24:08):
they can go from the sky into the air, down
into the water. We have nothing, nothing that could do that.
And for somebody to think if you can see something
doing that and they're having to tie a missile or
something on that and they can do that, are aces
in trouble, right, And so if they decide to want

(24:29):
to engage, okay, So, but I don't want to be
sitting here saying, oh, they ain't done nothing. Now, well
maybe they just ain't piste off yet, who knows. But
the fact of the matter is the capabilities that they do.
So I don't want a guy driving by my neighborhood.
Point is gun he ain't shot yet, but he just
keep doing the drive by, you know, Yeah, you think
it ain't gonna go get mine and be waiting just

(24:51):
in case and tell the kids, Hey, y'all standing back.
I don't care if it's ten years, just don't come
out front. He keeps coming about here every day. Yeah,
you want to be ready. So Lou prepared airs us
for the inevitable. Well, the rest of the world is
preparing us for the Belevnate side up. They come in
peace and they ain't done either one. So which one
side you want to be on when it happened? So
they're doing a recon at this point, you know, I mean,

(25:14):
I think that's really well uh, well put, because it
is you know, going back to the situation you described
in childhood where he said I saw something that I
could not explain in the sky, But where I grew up,
no one would talk about that, right. You would be
you would be a laughing stock. People would drag you
for saying that. Um. I think that is something that

(25:37):
Elizondo and the people he talked to, and probably many
of the people you've spoken with, ran into as well.
You know, the trained Air Force pilots were at times
a little bit gun shy because they thought they would
lose their own credibility if they were like, hey, I
know I went through you know, decades of training and

(25:59):
it costs millions of dollars to get me to say this.
But guys, I I don't know what that was. That
was crazy. Things shouldn't be able to fly in and
out of water, but they had something worse uh up
on geinst them uh than I would be because you
know me, I'm just an investigator. Uh. If I talk
or whatever, you know, either they're gonna laugh at me.

(26:20):
But when you're talking about lou Alesando who has a
national security clearance with the threat of losing his pension
thrown in jail, all of those pilots who got national
security clearances, uh, pensions on the line and all of
these different things, they have a whole bigger weight on
top of them to keep them quiet than I do. Right,

(26:43):
And so although they seeing these things, now this is
the whole point that you just made that which you
know gets me, Like what you know, when we got
one of these pilots out here, and you know, we
all think of the movie Top Nonetime CRUs Right, you
know what's the guy's name was, school Send and space Man.
These are the best of the best of the best, right,

(27:03):
They're sharp, and you're telling me we got some of
those guys up there seeing things, and then you come
back to all they don't know what they're talking about,
or it's equipment malfunction. Really, are you kidding me? And
we supposed to believe that. I just watched top gun
them do they're making those mistakes and if they do,
they die? Right? So you telling me that he doesn't
know what he saw or he is an equipment malfunction,

(27:26):
the whole But they can't do it. I get it
because there's trouble. But it is changing and shifting a
little bit because some of them have nothing to lose.
More people are coming forward. You've got celebrities talking now,
and now it's in mainstream media. It's it's we were
in for a clash of the Titans, and we're in
the right place at the right time, plain and simple. Okay, Okay,

(27:47):
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um Ben, I thought we might touch a little bit
on the benevolent versus antagonistic model you know of of extraterrestrials. Um.

(28:10):
We we we talked about briefly the idea of extraterrestrials
meddling with our nuclear infrastructure. Specifically, there have been sightings
for many, many years, I believe since the forties UM
of extraterrestrials or UFOs rather u A p s over
nuclear facilities like Savannah River sites UM and others Livermore, UH,

(28:32):
Sandy Los Alumos, etcetera. UM, and the idea that they
have disabled nukes just before testing. You're gonna be better
at this than than than me, Roderick. But UM, to me,
that speaks to a benevolent model, even if there's a
weird power flex involved where it's like, hey, look what

(28:53):
we can do, but also we're kind of trying to
save you from yourselves. I like that model. I think
it's interesting, but I also it's a little hard for
me to swallow in general. UM. But if I was
going to choose one, that would obviously be the one
I would choose. Tell tell me, tell us your perspective
on that. You know, with that evidence and the work
of George Knapp, the investigative journalist who's study these things

(29:15):
and these sightings for for many decades and he actually
filed a bunch of Freedom of Information Act requests. So
he's he's he's a journalist. He's like a real deal
journalist who was going through the right channels and you know,
telling the story. And um, the same with lou El Asondo.
He's a guy's got a lot to lose by He
talks about this as well. This is something that he
speaks of as well. So I'm interested to hear your
thoughts of this benevolent versus uh antagonistic view of extraterrestrials

(29:41):
as pertains to these kind of historical sightings with nukes. Well,
I got a question for you know, and then we'll
get into that. Or I got an example. So let's
say it's a home. You've got an alarm system, but
you see a shadow figure standing out there and he
cuts it off, and then you could have back on.
He cuts it off. Is that benelevant to you? You

(30:02):
know what I mean? You know, he could cut your
lawrance as law. He ain't done nothing, and he you like,
what the hell you cut it back on? He cuts
it all and just go and then he walks off
into the dark and he comes back again in the
middle of night. Cut your lances. Come on, he's letting
me know what he's capable of, and he's trying to
scare me. But that's not But that's not benelevance, right
if that was the point I was making, So if

(30:24):
they're cutting our stuff off, I ain't looking at that
as been leveling right now. Don't get me wrong. I
share two sides of it, so you know, I don't
I don't think that if there is a species or
multiple species of extra restaurants, that they all are bad, right,
just like humans? Okay, so, but but there could be

(30:44):
something out there who just don't like us, who's preparing
or not. So I I leave that open on, you know,
for the scale to weigh in on, right. But when
it comes down to what you asked between the two,
I think there is a huge line in between the
middle because you gonna have the factions that are being
contacted consciously right are they've been inducted and returned. But

(31:07):
then some of the deductees are gonna tell, you know,
they probe me, they stuck me, they all these things,
and maybe they're testing for something. So I think it's
gonna take where both sides gotta come together with the
realism of what's happening. UM, and to take account that,
all right, there's two sides, but let's try to at
least merge that we know something is out, we just

(31:29):
don't know what's happening. Uh. And you just you just
you have to be a fan of both. But then
there's cases that most people are just not so hopefully
answered that. But if you need to go deeper, this
is great, and we are we are going to go
deeper and want to set up some context for a
followed conspiracy realists listening today when we when we talk
about the relationship or the density of sightings around nuclear

(31:55):
weaponry storage sites, one of the best things for audience
to check out would be, uh, the story from I
believe of the press conference in two thousand and ten.
It was in Washington, d c. Uh. It was a
National Press Club briefing and multiple Air Force personnel came
forward and said, yes, there is something with the ability

(32:16):
to neutralize not only US but Russian nuclear missile sites.
So this is not an Internet rumor. To be very clear,
there are experts who have talked about this. I think
we need to make sure everybody understands that. UH. The
the next thing is, oh Man, I would love to
just talk for hours with you guys about the problem

(32:37):
of discerning motivation. We have a difficult time as a
species discerning the motivation of our fellow humans. And so
when we talk in terms of benevolence or malevolence, we're
maybe going back to the idea of cultural framework looking
through a human lens at maybe not human things. So

(32:58):
the idea of benevolence on. You know, if there is
someone coming from somewhere else, whether that's somewhere else in
physical space, whether it's another dimension which some people think
or some people also speculate about, then their idea of
benevolence may not be our idea of benevolence, you know.
And when we when we look at you know, the

(33:18):
scary thing this, the scary thing about realism is that
you have to look at all possibilities right, and we
have to base One thing I really appreciate about your
your research and uh, the way you interact with people
on extraterrestrial evidence is that you do come with the
facts and you do base these these ideas in a

(33:41):
in a very grounded, realistic way. So that means we
have to talk about things like dark forest theory, which
is the idea that um, given all the unknown variables
intelligence civilizations deal with when they see another intelligent civilization
there first move what they see a self preservation, maybe

(34:04):
an aggressive a hostile move. You know. The short story,
the sci fi short stories are full of this. Whereas
someone like finally, you know, Set gets a message back
from another civilization and all it says is they'll hear you.
I think that's a little alarmous, but I'm really interested
in in your opinion of this, you know what, like,

(34:27):
when we're looking at this from a real a realistic
way in from your perspective, is there a way to
begin to ascribe motive to these sightings? And if so,
how how do you begin to unpack that? Well simply
or should I say, with this particular story or an event.

(34:48):
I would say, you know, when you hear in my
space that you know that the extraterrestaurants are somehow saying,
you know, we need to have more love and and
that the human were destroying the planet and they're here
to stop us from or to get us to realize
those scenarios. So I take you into this particular scenario.

(35:12):
So let's say being you married. Yes, no, I don't
want to put you out here. I am not all right,
let's just say girlfriend. You know y'all sitting on a porch,
um and uh, because I don't want to use no
all again. I want to keep picking on them, you
know the cwork, Yeah, yeah, you know. And you're sitting
on your front porch like we all do, if we

(35:33):
have the front porch, and you got a yard, and
you got your big beautiful yard. And over there you
see a couple of aunt piles with the representation of
us on Earth, and the ants blows some up over there.
Excuse me, ma over okay to use that language, and
and it blows it up over there, and you're standing
there and going, honey, what the what, what's going on?

(35:57):
This is the extraterredial seeing us firing off nuclear weapons. Right,
Let's go find out what these damn ants up to,
right and now, because they can see this blast all
over the universe. It's messing up wormholes, it's doing all
kind of stuff, and they're going, these guys then got
ahold to some matches. What the hell you know? And
you go over there, now you fly over them, and

(36:18):
you're making a determination because either you're saying they're either
gonna mess up the yard, which is earth, and we
either got to do something about it. And because you
do have the power to go over the home depot
or loads and get some stuff to sprinking on and
killed the whole mound if you wanted to, right, you know,
and you were like, yeah, all right, we'll just let's
give them a warning, you know, let's cut this thing off,

(36:40):
let's throw some water on the matches or something of
these ants that don't do what they're doing. And this
is my analogy of what they do is to give
us a warning of hey, listen, you guys are messing
with some some some crazy stuff here, you know, and
don't try because there's been instances where we tested rockets,

(37:00):
like you said, and and they have footage where these
uh something comes out of nowhere and shoot the beam
and disarms it. Why what they do that is to say,
because we can and don't do this, you know. Uh.
And so although our technological advances are moving rapidly and
we're creating all these things, who knows that we're not

(37:21):
going to find that one thing? And it goes back
to the movies, y'all, remember Star Game. Remember the movie,
Remember that one part and not the whole series, but
the movie that they made the series from. When Raw
said to the guy he brought back to the nuclear
weapon because they was getting red blowing him up. He says,
you guys an event since I left y'all there. Remember,

(37:43):
he says, you guys figure out a way to hauntess
the power of the Adam And he goes, I almost
send this back to stop this mess. You get what
I'm saying, And that was his point. I didn't think
you guys are gonna do that now what I left.
You know, that's a problem. So I don't know when
it comes down to that part. That's just a humor,
the speculation. But it is a possibility because I would

(38:04):
do that to the ants in my front yard if
I saw the mold up blowing up and stuff, and
I'm on my ports, I'm gonna go up, my curious self,
gonna go over there, and if it's getting too far
out of hand, I'm gonna put a stop that at
a whole now. And you better believe it. And in
this in this analogy, it would be incredibly unlikely for
us to think in terms of the individual ant in

(38:24):
the ant hill. Instead, I think we're we're prioritizing what
we see is the greater good of the yard or
the universe. Right, yeah, let's pause for a moment for
a word from our sponsor, and then what we returned
with Roderick Martin, and we are back. This is leading

(38:49):
us in so many directions because you know, no, uh,
you can attest to this as well. We have. UM.
Over the years, we've received a lot of a lot
of correspondence from people who claim they have had an
experience for a citing or they feel that these are misunderstood,

(39:12):
you know, and they'll say a lot of that stuff
that was seeing flying around, you know, in in some
of the hey days of UFO reporting on the government side,
like the forties fifties, they'll say, well, you know, a
lot of that stuff was actually secret earthly vehicles, right
like self bombers, things like that. Um, do you think

(39:36):
And later in some cases that did turn out to
be the case. There were people who saw a plane
that didn't officially exist, but was there. To your earlier point, Roderick,
we paid for it. So so I wanted to know
does that still happen or do you think it's possible
that people could be misidentifying like secret craft from Lockheed

(39:58):
Martin or something like that. Just add on the back
end of that, Ben, I mean, it does feel like
there is uh indication in that disclosure document. That's certainly
a category in that disclosure document of like tech that
exists but isn't officially acknowledged yet. I mean they don't
go so far as to say that exactly, but I
feel like they're pointing to that as being one possibility.
But yes, interested, please, what do you think about that?

(40:21):
The idea of this this craft that can go from
sky to ground to water, like, is that something that
maybe exists they're working on we just don't know about
it yet they're not ready to acknowledge it, or maybe
it's the kind of thing they don't want the public
to know about. Well, I mean there's uh, you guys
make some great points, and so we can kind of
break it into uh several boxes here. One in particular

(40:44):
would be, uh, there is technology. There are secret planes
and things that we have that is either reverse technology
from some of the fouling or crass crafts. And then
you know, there's been also saying that some of the
beings themselves are helping governments with technology as well. So
all of these things are out there, okay, but when

(41:06):
it comes down to, uh, you know some of the
other stuff that that you know, like you see with
these governments and in the different companies. You know, one
of the surprising part for them to do this is
to move a lot of that technology to the private
sector anyway. Why because there's no fo your acts for
the private company, we can't request information, so they can

(41:29):
hide it. All they do is funded and still you know,
and still to say on top of it. So you're
gonna see you seeing a lot of that. That's what's
going on. Yeah, yeah, so that's that's one of the
reasons that that's happening. So when you look back at
the separation of that, yeah, we got technology and we
have things for their now, uh, to to off set

(41:51):
the public perception, why not let one of these things
zip across so that we can confuse the fact that
there's UFOs when it was a secret plane. So that
adversary isn't everything else, you know, it just don't get
out there. But let's go with what you said last
is you got something that's coming out of water, sea, air,

(42:12):
in space. If that was one of our adversaries, game over.
And you think one of them would have been hiding
it for sixty years of technology and not trying to
and let in the United States be the governing body
of the most of the world right now and we
have the most fear military might in this planet, and
and we're gonna reign supreme. And when they got something

(42:34):
that can just wipe and we can't even catch it,
filer it, do nothing with it, they're not holding on
that just because oh, we just don't want abody to know,
you know now, So I think at the end of
the day, we're dealing with something that we don't know
where it is, and when it goes deeper, it has
all to do with water, right uh. And because you know,

(42:56):
we know that the Earth is seventy three water and
man has only explored three percent of that. We can't
even we have nothing to go to the bottom of
the ocean period, So if they were there and that's
the place to hide, which of all, I know our
our UFO sightings come out of water. And so with

(43:16):
that being said, all of that connects to we're dealing
with something that has better technology and could possibly been
here all this time. So there's a this thing can
go a lot of places. But what we do know
is in ain't hours, that's for sure. Yeah. Yeah, And
then I really appreciate, uh, touching on the point about water.

(43:38):
It's something that we've explored on the show. Noel, Matt
and I, um gosh. Years years back, we were reading
the reports and you know, these things came out as
like studies in in universities or trade journals, and half
of them were written by very very concerned professors and researchers,

(43:59):
and the other half were written by private sector researchers,
you know, the Morgan Stanley's who are like, let's buy
up all the fresh water. Uh. When when we look
at the world today, anybody listening to this show or
listening to Extra Terrestrial Evidence looks at the world today,
it's not a stretch to say that things overall are

(44:22):
becoming increasingly unsustainable in some ways, Like we are seeing
parts of the world become more and more difficult to inhabit,
you know, like the like where you said, is it
hot in Texas? It's sure getting hotter in the Middle East. Uh.
Do do you see any connection with what people would

(44:45):
say is growing instability just in the Earth's systems like
the weather system and so on. Yeah, yeah, yeah, Well
call which will you know, like the fact that the
climate has um become more inhospitable for people in different
regions of the world. Do you see any connection with
that um between that and the more mainstreaming of the

(45:11):
conversation about UFOs I. I I just wonder because it seems
like they kind of rose and step recently. Well they
they are, they have resident step like you said, but
right in plain sight, Jeff Bezo said, we need to
take industries off for Earth to save Earth because there's
a lot of there's a lot of things that we're

(45:31):
using in doing is polluting the atmosphere, whether it's causing
global change atmospheric change. But he has a mission to say, Okay,
let's move some of these highly crazy things that is
happening or the manufacturing certain things. We need to take
them off the planet. So that that that mandated mission

(45:51):
is already in place. It's going one way or the other,
and we can't We're not gonna stop that. So that
could validate what you're saying that there can activity now
as far as just the extraterrestrials, like one of the
movies I think where that they was heating up the
planet real slow. You know who played in that? Uh oh,
I forget the guy, but it was an alien movie

(46:12):
where they was in Mexico desert and uh, anyway, he'd
probably come to me a little later, but anyway, that
was a movie where they was really just putting this
Greenhouse effect real slowly into our atmosphere and it was
trying to take a couple hundred years, but the heat
up the planet so that the reptilian style, uh, extraterrestrial
had v It was the guy his brother and Mao

(46:38):
Esteves brother, Charlie Sheen played in the movie. Yeah, and
remember and they had this little ball that would drop
on the floor and it eats up everything. And then
at the end of the the little kid legs bent backwards
and he ran off. You know, he was like, I'm
gonna tell everyone, I'm literally was it the Arrival? The Arrival? Yeah,
that's the way it was. So, you know, they so

(47:00):
a lot of these things. Again, it's time to movies,
I say too. So you know, we we get a
little you know, tip of what's happening out there. But
I can't say for sure that uh it has anything
to do with the UFO u AP phenomenon with the
global changes, but it could be possibly where our Earth

(47:20):
atmosphere is changing, whether exterrestials think we are destroying the
planet once again and that there's some intervention needs to happen.
But definitely, Uh, if you go back to the industry side, Uh,
Jeff Azo just did a Pakes press conference and he said,
we got we gotta say the planet and we need
to move some of these things off the planets. Right.

(47:42):
Glad he's doing something positive with the stimulus check finally,
well you know he and and that's what most people
didn't know. I I tell people all the time, I said,
you remember your six hundred dollar stimulus check you got
back in December or Jane where Yeah, Well in that
thing was a COVID package. Was that it was in?
That was the uh what the government had to have

(48:02):
releasing sixty and eighty days or hundred eighty days about
the UFOs. And like what I said, yeah, I was
right there in the six hy you know. You know,
so it's like they blind us one way with one
thing and then roll out something else. But again, I
said again to your audience people just watching, you know
and listening to your podcast YouTube channel. Nothing, uh, timing

(48:25):
wise is greater than where we are now, because there's
things is unfolding and it's just the beginning. They was
hiding it back in the sixties and forties. Um, and
even then, it's it's changed now. And I think you
said something earlier. I was gonna kind of uh bring
into the conversation. You know, the Brooker's Report. If anybody

(48:46):
know about that, you know, they can google it. Um.
This was a report that was commissioned by NASA back
in the forties, I think where they wanted a the
Brookings Institute to do a report on how the public
receive or tend to UFO phenomenal if they were to
reveal it. And they came back and said, heh, hell no,

(49:07):
don't tell him nothing. They can't handle it. And it
goes back to the Will Smith movie. Remember and I'm
a movie buff. Remember Men and Black when they sat
out there on the bill, him and Tommy Lee when
he first found the first one, when he found out
about there was aliens, and Will Smith says, you know,
he says, man, why we won't tell him and people

(49:28):
are smart, and Tommy Lee looks at and said, yeah,
person is, but people are dumb and stupid. We can't
tell them. So the Brookie Reports said that back then,
But the only thing that they did say that was
shocking was the worst hit community if this was revealed,
the worst hit hit community mentally was going to be
the scientific community. And I didn't really realize what they said.

(49:51):
Why they mentioned that back when I read it a
year or so ago, but now I get it today
is because I know now the scientific community doesn't work
like what we do just finding research they need. They're
not gonna go off what we call a hypothesis versus
the theory. Right, this is just hypothesis what we're talking about,
But they gotta have theoretical this is happening, that UFOs

(50:12):
coming at the same time every day. Now we can
predict the fact that that's real, that this is going
to happen. And because these anomalies don't happen that way
and they haven't yet to get one to analyze it,
they're not with the program of seeing UFOs exist, but
they're coming along slowly. But I get and I understand
that that's something that's so strange about that report because

(50:36):
another another piece of what they say, or what Brooking
says in that report is that they basically say, correct
me if I'm if I'm getting this wrong project. But
I think they basically say, if you are a scientist,
we're an engineer, physicist, or whatever, and you know that
all of a sudden, there's this technology that maybe literally

(50:59):
light years beyond our our own Um, what do you
do if you run into some hard limit, like this
is technology that humans haven't made because the human brain
just isn't the right hardware for it. That's got to
be kind of a kick in the paths, right, That's
that's no moment. It's like that movie and again I'm

(51:21):
just a movie buff when the world was gonna end
and they went to go the core where they were
drilling down and he said and the guy says, well,
what you call this on whatever? Why? Everywhere? I don't know.
It's just something new, you know. And that's what the
scientists probably would do, is like, we don't know what
period table? What is that? You know? But we have

(51:41):
a lot of intelligent scientists, so it wouldn't take them
long to figure it out. They just need to be
able to test it. And that's what the government is
not doing, uh in most cases, is giving that stuff
out so our scientists catch us up. Um. And and
that's another part with this military thing and where people
don't really understand the whole part purpose of this thing.

(52:03):
It wasn't just to tell us it was the time
for our government to say it's time for you guys
to uh compartment, just put everything in one place. Because
we have all these different branches of military that has
their own files on UFOs, but nobody's telling each other,
you know. And well even with our own government, I mean,
like you do you talk about Space Force, You talk

(52:24):
about Space Force, And there was that show Space Force
with Steve correll Um that kind of satirized the idea
of this, you know, new branch of the military. But
it does really effectively and what I would consider like
something along the lines of like Doctor Strangelove. It shows
how little cooperation there is between the scientists that the
government hires and the government officials that oversee them and

(52:46):
that are their handlers. They don't want them to work
outside of their like pay grade. They don't want them
to discover things. They want to keep them within a
very specific range of activities, and the moment that starts
to you know, quote unquote threaten the mission or there's
information of the scientists are like, it's my duty as
a member of the scientific community to let people know.

(53:08):
That's when they start cutting funding and dismantling their work
groups and all of that stuff. So there really is
this clash always between the scientific community and the government,
even when they're working exupposedly together. Oh my god. Yeah,
and you don't even talk about free energy and all
these rumors of where technology is going and that beast

(53:29):
of a conversation. But yeah, you know, and again our
militaries are not well, they're supposed to now, but there
have not been working together. And you got the Navy
who had their files. You've got the Air Force who
had their files, c I, A FPI, the Army, and
the list goes on and on. And it could be
the same UFO that popped up out of the ocean

(53:53):
and our navy saw it right and they got their reports,
and then that same thing it's lining up in the sky.
So navy does have planes. But then because it can
move dirty five hundred miles an hour and speed of light,
it's gone, and now the Air Force picks it up
over Texas and now they got files. Oh we saw
a UFO. Now they ain't talking to them to say

(54:13):
it's the same one. And then the same thing flies
down and maybe do a little cat and all the mutilation.
It lands, and you know, I'm just hypothetically speaking against here,
you know, and it ducks somebody. Now we got the
FBI and the Army got third files on it, and
then if it crashed, the Army getting it now okay,
and all of these it could have been the same

(54:34):
UFO that went through this whole process, but we got
separate chambers of files and they're not bringing it together.
So with the space for us, hopefully now it'll start
bridging some of this. And and I'm sure with the
factions of our government that's still not happening right now,
but we gotta do something. And in the fact that
you know, all these different military branches has reverse technology

(54:58):
from things, and then like I said, the corporate sector
and all that, it's just so much going on. But
I just think for us as individuals, um that it's
just time for us to, like my tagline said, it's
time to believe, right and and that's what we have
to do. And so when I do my shows in Clubhouse,

(55:18):
you know, I get a lot of people sharing their experiences.
So I've created a place where you can come and
share your experiences and there's no ridicue because they're I mean,
I have doctors, lawyers, people talking about the experiences that
they normally wouldn't have talked about. Uh. They can't talk
to their spouses or the co workers. They can't. It's
only been whispered at the water coolers. But now because

(55:39):
we have this one environment, Uh I like Twitter where
you're just tweeting, ain't YouTube where you know they can watch.
But with this clubhouse, they can talk about it together.
And that's what I've created, and it's growing so rapidly
and now it's much more than UFOs to me because
now you know, we we spent so much time being
you know, focus in on what's in the sky. I

(56:01):
think it's an a for us to pay attention on
what's happened and people on the ground, and that's where
we are now. You know, that's really one of the
things that stands out about the conversations yet because they
are indeed conversations and if you're listening now and you
have you have a story to tell or like like
you said, Roderick, you are someone who feels maybe uh

(56:24):
you you're not in a comfortable space to talk about
something like this, it's very important or to ask questions
right then this can be the place for you. Um Noel,
you and I have I think we didn't even talk
about it. We just hang out so much that I'm sure,
uh you clocked the thing in Roderick's background just there

(56:48):
above Roderick's top left is one of my favorite posters ever,
and I think one of yours too, classic X files
Molder's office poster. I want to believe and that that
leads us uh to to you know, speculate. The spirit
of our good pal Matt Frederick or co host is
here as well, because that is his favorite poster, and

(57:09):
he's gonna be sad that he missed this conversation. So
I'd like to be able to give him a little
bit of good news. When it can people find extraterrestrial
evidence on the clubhouse. When can they tune in? They
can tune in weekly and that's weekly with two ease
now w E A K. And that's at Nappy m Central,

(57:31):
UH do a show every Wednesday, and uh, and if
they miss some of the shows, they can go to
the podcast you know, Spotify, Apple and they can hear
because usually out transfer, but usually it's gonna be a
week or two behind. I do that purposely because you know, uh,
it keeps him from missing the show in real time.
But then I get a lot of people say, oh no, no,

(57:51):
I want to come here in real time because I
want to be involved in the conversation. So they can
go to a clubhouse. They can download the app. Okay,
there's no you know, invite anymore, so Android iOS anybody
just go there. Make sure you uh you know, search
for the club extra trust or evidence. You'll see twenty
some thousand members. You'll see the alien head and then

(58:15):
uh follow the club. It's important that you do this.
And because clubhouse is growing so fast that that algorithm
is still trying to catch up. Uh. So if you
don't hit that alert the greenhouse and follow the alerts
of the club and then follow me as the speaker,
you won't get notified. You would, but if you you
could miss them, Okay, so definitely they follow it the

(58:38):
club joint because it'll automatically, it'll put you into the
club and then follow me as the speaker itself. And
in any time that uh that I am speaking in
mostly ninety nine percent, I do speak on the UFO topic.
I don't just kind of go into a bird watching
room and then you come in and I mean they're
talking about bird watching. So I keep it you know there. Um,

(59:00):
But yeah, I think people should do it. I think
it's a it's a place they'll be definitely shocked on
what you hear, but then they may trigger them to
get part of the conversation. And that's the moon. And
I have guests there all the time. I had Linda
Molten Howie. Uh if you know of her, you know,
Billy Carson Whitley streamer. Just the other night he pops
in and out of our room. Uh, and you know,

(59:21):
the list goes on and on and tomorrow I'll be
getting on a plane going to shoot a documentary with
one of the largest, uh one of the big streaming
shows that I can't say who the name right now,
but uh yeah, so it's it's it's it's growing. Uh.
The the I think the atmosphere of work we are

(59:42):
the greatness of what you guys are doing. You know
what I'm saying and telling teaching people things that they
don't want you to know. And this is a great place. Uh.
And I'm just glad to be here to be part
of your show. So, oh man, we're glad to have you.
This is a really cool conversation when a lot of
places that I wasn't expecting for sure, Um, what where
else can people find you on the internet? Do you tweet?
Do you have Instagram or anything else like that? Uh?

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If they want to see everything in one place, go
to Roderick Martin dot com. And then that I'll have
listen to the YouTube channel. I just did my first TikTok. Uh.
Then yeah, right, so I'm like, okay, well we gotta
go there and then uh, you know, do YouTube kids
for the kids for the kids, and and you know
the funny thing about it, guys, You guys know ET, right,

(01:00:24):
the movie ET. Yeah, Well, I was doing this thing
I call e t on the streets is what I'm
working on, And just recently I went out there and
and there's a group of kids, it was probably twenty
three and I said something about ET, and I was like,
what's that so you guys never heard of ET know,
and that's wouldn't have down on me because when I

(01:00:45):
used to do my clubhouse shows, you know, I get
some of the scholars, man, we heard that before. We're here,
and I'm like, but now my audience is like twenty
five to forty four, and that's like and they're not
they don't remember the stories ET and they never heard
of you know. And so now now I'm going back
up with some of the old stuff and they love it. Uh,

(01:01:05):
and you know, bringing them up to speed, you know.
And so we do have a you know, a generation
that don't know close encounts the third time when they
hear that, yeah, yeah, yeah. So it's kind of like, uh,
you remember those stories a few years ago when those
kids were discovering the Beatles and going to their parents
and saying, hey, I found the most amazing band and

(01:01:28):
I know you used to like music and they were like,
oh really, you just made that discovery and so it's
it's yeah, so anyway, you know, again, they can go
to Robert mart dot com. They'll link them to all
everything that I'm doing, so they can it'll tell them
in the clubhouse next show to YouTube channel the podcast,
they can get access to everything from there, or didn't

(01:01:50):
get on the text list, which is text Robberick dot com.
They can get on that. And but you know, at
the end of the day, you know, it's it's that time.
I think we are about to really embark on a
journey and I'm just glad to get it. I do
hopes that I'm able to get into my community more because,
like we said earlier in the show, is taboo, uh

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and there's no one really talking about it there to
kind of condition people for what is coming. And that's
another place that I would like to try to reach
and and go. You know, it's a slow move because
again it is a taboo subject. But I think pretty
soon I can make some handway. And with that, thank
you so much for your time today. Roderick can't wait

(01:02:34):
to uh stay in contact as we hear more things developing.
I think we can all agree that these stories are
accelerating right and the press is paying more attention. So,
as Roderick said, check out his website. Check out also
extraterrestrial evidence on Clubhouse and hey, if you're all if

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