March 28, 2020 • 51 mins
Recently employees at the US Embassy in Cuba reported a strange and disquieting phenomenon. They complained of vertigo, nausea, hearing loss and more accompanied by a strange hum and whine that followed them into their homes. The State Department refused to comment on the cause of these symptoms even as they shipped employees back home to the States. However, some anonymous government officials stated that the employees fell victim to an unorthodox, top-secret, sound-based weapon. Could it be true? You can turn back now, or learn The Stuff They Don't Want You To Know.
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The U. S. Military has cooked up some pretty bizarre
ideas over the past few decades, and longtime listeners you
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know that, Matt Nolan I have covered some of the
more nefarious ones in past episodes. Yeah, when you're on
the edge and you're the leader of all the military technology,
you really just got to test it all, man. You
just throwst up at the wall and see if it
blows it up. Literally, like the jet copter, Yes, the
jet copter where someone finally came together with their friends
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and said, what if we had a jet that wait
for it, guys, has three wings. Wait for it, guys,
and each of those wings has a jet engine, and
wait for it, and we spin it really really fast
and make it go somewhere to what end? Is this
is a vehicle or just an agent of chaos? It's
both meant to be a vehicle didn't work out though.
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There's also the idea of a blinding phaser. Yeah, they
went Star Trek with that one. It looks really cool. Actually,
it looks like one of those heavy duty Star Trek
phasers that they only use when they're facing a serious
threat like the Borg. Yeah, set your phasers to blind
cass you, bog. I wonder how that would affect, you know,
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because they've got the one human eye usually and then
the other eye. Well, they adapt the hive mind on
the land of the Borg. The one eyed man is
a Borg assimilated, right. They're also they also tried, of course,
the one of the more infamous ones was they worked
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on a plan for a bomb that would turn people
into homosexuals. Is that the one that Alex Jones is
always talking about turns to all the frogs gay as
He's also he's thinking about environmental contaminant too, I think right. Uh,
hands down my favorite one was a pigeon guided missile.
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This one just really quick to get into it. I
don't think we've ever talked about it before in the show. Maybe, Okay, No,
So this guy b F. Skinner during around the World
War two times, I was trying to figure out a
way to basically have a missile hone in on somebody,
and he thought, oh, you know what I've got honing
pigeons honing missile. Let's put these two together. And he
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literally made a warhead that was three pigeons sitting inside
of warhead, live pigeons that had these rudimentary screens of
and it would show what the ground looked like as
this missile is flying through the air, and the pigeons,
if they see the target that they've been trained to attack,
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they would all, in theory, pick at the screen, and
if all three packed at the screen, then detonation would occur.
Of course, this makes quite a few assumptions. The idea
that the pigeons would behave normally when they're strapped into
this contraction, right, uh, the idea that that redundancy would work.
Members of the National Research Defense Committee did give him
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twenty five grand to do this again. Throw it at
the wall, see if it blows up. There were also
bat bombs, seeking to utilize the echolocative abilities of bats.
There's actually a really great episode of the lovely podcast
of the Memory Palace called Itty Bitty Bombs that talks
about that very thing, and check it out if you
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get a chance, of course, this isn't gonna be an
episode where we just heap ridicule on Uncle Sam, because
Uncle Sam is not the only government thinking outside of
the box when it comes to military hardware and techniques.
In the cryptocurrency series that we earlier recorded, we spoke
with our old friend Jonathan Strickland about a larger trend
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toward what's called asymmetrical warfare. And that's the idea that
if you and like, if the three of us are
the top military minds of China or Russia or something,
we know that we cannot compete one on one in
a conventional battle with the United States. But maybe it
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turns out that Noel has a great lead on information warfare.
Maybe it turns out that Matt is super good at
delivering poison and unexpected ways. It's all about innovation, and
you're right, unexpectedness, right, the element of surprise, And this
is where we see things like Soviet attack dolphins, or
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like the United Kingdom's ill fated attempt to build an
aircraft carrier that was also an iceberg because no one
would ever see it coming because it moves so slowly
it's almost imperceptible that it's coming at you. Yeah, and
sure it's that I could be doing much damage around
the equator, but man, but they wanted to try it.
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And there are there numerous other silly examples. We've looked
at the assassination attempts for Fidel Castro in a different show,
Noel and I looked at uh an attempt to kill
Winston Churchill via an evil chocolate bars bloating chocolate where
and when you broke that delightful little line of demarcation
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to get that perfect chocolate square, it would blow your
fingers and face off. Jeez. And there was also a
halitosis bomb, which is super interesting because halitosis was primarily
condition made up by advertisers. So it's a bad breath bomb, right,
and halitosis as a condition is not real. That sounds
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like more of a prank. Yeah, I think you just
get that by eating regular cho clip and then not
brushing your teeth because you Americans full ruining. How a
great evil limbio without terrible breath so minty freshness aside,
a lot of these techniques and these weapons and this
hardware the various governments dream up never make it past
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the brainstorming. Wouldn't it be cool if phase or the
research and development phase. Somebody somewhere along the line thankfully says, guys,
I think jet copter is kind of a dumb idea,
or someone says, would ever say that it sounds amazing,
sounds of aazing I guess depends on what you wanted
for as an agent of chaos, it would be one
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of the coolest fireworks ever. That's true. But the problem
is this, it can be very difficult for us, the
general public, even members of other militaries, even in the
top levels of intelligence, it can be very difficult to
tell what has actually been deployed, what was kicked around
and then scrapped, what's active working is under wraps, or
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as we saw offt in the Cold War, what's been
just sort of marketed as something to be scared of,
as an attempt to drain the other side's resources. Right,
there's a lot of propaganda around, you know, a lot
of these things do come into the public eye, but
only after something goes really, really wrong, as we saw
in the case with that stealth helicopter. Yeah, in the
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US raid on the bin laden compound in Islamabad, most
of the taxpayer public learned that stealth helicopters were a
thing when one of them crashed, and you guys remember that, right, Well,
you would hope that you wouldn't know about a stealth
helicopter unless it's stealth abilities failed drastically, yeah, or or
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you wouldn't know about it until you heard the sound
of whatever you know, weaponry it's got on it. Yeah.
So this is interesting because ethically, there's a little bit
of a pickle. You know, most people pay taxes on
some level, right, whether it's sales or property or income
or just something. Most people pay taxes and often don't
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know where that money is going. So these weapons, this
suppressed technology, of this classified technology definitely does exist. It's
not a conspiracy theory to say that, it's conspiracy realism.
And there are a number of compelling arguments for why
that should be kept secret, why we should be paying
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for things that we don't know about, and even when
they might adversely affect US national security. And let's move
on the Great Boogeyman, right, And now we're at a
point where it turns out that just last year we
may have learned of another type of weapons something we
knew could exist in theory, but hadn't seen an action
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this way. Here's where it gets crazy already already. Yeah, So,
over the course of two years, two thousands sixteen and
two thousands seventeen, there were some weird stuff going on
in Cuba. Specifically, there were U. S. Citizens who were
serving at the embassy there. They were complaining of these
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various strange ailments. A lot of it had to do
with things affecting their ears and their ability to hear,
like they were they were experiencing hearing loss, they were
experiencing vertigo, feeling like they were going to fall or
were falling, they were having headaches. They were even complaining
about cognitive cognitive deficiencies like having problems remembering something. Uh,
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you know, more than just when you walk through a
door and you forget something, which is something we all experienced.
They were talking about much more severe versions of this
um and just just so everybody knows, severe hearing loss
was the most common complaint, like I cannot hear right
now and I've never had a problem with this before
in my life. And the injuries were thankfully not found
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to be life threatening, but all of the victims had
a primary complaint that preceded their experience of this vertigo,
this hearing loss, this difficulty with recollection, and it's this
They heard a distinct, loud, pitched, incredibly annoying and painful
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sound and unusual places, including their homes. Shall we punish
our listeners with the clip, yes, and ourselves. So the
caveat that there are a few limiting factors here. Um,
this is multiple frequencies stacked together, but they're not just
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the ones that the human ear can perceive or that
can be recreated with phones or speakers or any other
method of reproducing sound. That's a really good point exactly
that that sound comes from the Associated Press. They actually
went in they got this sound while they were in Cuba,
and they were just mentioning that there's a lot of
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lower much lower frequency and much higher frequency stuff going on. Sure. Yeah,
And eventually the State Department did go public with this.
Keep in mind first reports or from sien soeen. The
State Department goes public, they pull all the non essential
staff from the embassy there in Havana and the capital
of Cuba, and they allow others to return to the
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US for treatment. On May twenty three, the State Department
also began expelling Cuban diplomats. They started with two. Eventually
they would expel fifteen in total from the United States.
And it should be noted here that the Cuban the
Cuban government vehemently denies than anything is going on here
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like there they had any involvement in these health incidents.
H And there's a quote right here. Cuba has never
nor would it ever allow that the Cuban territory be
used for any action against accredited diplomatic agents or their
families without exception, full stop, pretty categorical there, you know.
And although the US officially states they're still investigating the
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cause of these conditions, government officials from the U S side,
from Uncle Sam, speaking on the condition of anonymity, have
said that they believe someone in Cuba was operating a
quote sonic weapon. So what could the sonic weapon be,
We'll tell you after a word from our sponsors. So
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sonic weapons. You might also hear these called ultrasonic weapons
or us WUS do what it says on the tin,
they use sound to incapacitate, injure or potentially in theory
kill they're victims, believe it or not, through the use
of sound alone and perhaps you've heard of these web
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and being deployed by police and for the purposes of
crowd disposal or crawlling. One of the most well known
examples of this, at least in the world of policing,
is something called the long range Acoustic device or l RAD. Yeah,
this thing produces noises fifty times above the human threshold
for pain, So that moment when you're listening to music
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at a concert and you start to go, oh wait,
this actually hurts a little bit. It's it's fifty times
above that. It's about around one and twenty to one
and forty decibels at high power. This sort of stuff
can cause nausea, vomiting, and so on. However, it is
considered a non lethal weapon. It's literally just so loud
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that it hurts to be there. So crowds that, you know,
Occupy Wall Street or um the ferguson Um protests, sure, yeah,
for any protests or something. The idea is that they go, ah,
my ears, I'm leaving. I'm more of a fan of
non lethal weapon two, which one is that the one
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with jo I wonder why they never did a non
lethal weapon. That's actually a good idea, And I think
I think it'd be kind of dull, right, nothing would happen.
What was the what was the parody of the lethal
weapon series was naked gun, Naked Gun, Well Weapon, police
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squad Leslie Nielsen. Wasn't there one called legal weapon or
something like that. It doesn't matter. It doesn't think one
of those Hollywood knockoffs. So we'll get back to that.
We've got top men on the research here. In the meantime,
you'll hear a lot of variations on this basic idea
of sound as a weapon, loaded weapon, loaded weapon there,
and it was called loaded weapon one, and there wasn't
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a sequel that. It's important that we have that solved.
So the variations you'll hear, much like the variations of
lethal versus loaded weapon, we're all gonna be new takes
on the same concept. You'll hear about grenade, something you
could throw that emits a powerful, dangerous sound, sonic cannons,
sonic guns, and so on, and this hardware can produce
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different effects. The majority that we know about right now
are designed to be non lethal, painful, slap on the wrist,
don't do it. We're not minimizing the effects of these
because non lethal weapons that terms sometimes gets a better
rep than it deserves. Technically, people who shoot rock salt
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at you out of a shotgun are exercising a non
lethal weapon. But I can tell you that is a
very painful experience. And I mean it could you know,
injure you such that you could die from your wound
if there'sn't get an infection or something like that. Totally
you would bleed from getting shot with rock salid I
think right, yes, depend on distance, yeah, well, and things
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like tasers too that are considered less than lethal do
have You can be killed by that because you're dealing
with your heart, and everybody has a different leaf functioning
heart and circulatory system and everything, so much in the
same way you can imagine, there are there are dangers, yeah,
especially you might have a pre existing heart condition or something,
and then it's boom, game over. So some are designed.
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Some of these weapons are designed to shoot what's called
a focus point or focused area of sound, like a
bullet from a gun or maybe a laser is a
better a better description, while others create a sustained field
of effect. Despite their names, not all these weapons are gigantic,
big booming, oversized nighties, golden era of hip hop boom boxes.
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They're operating, some of them are operating outside of the
range of human hearing, like Nolan, Matt we're talking about
with the clip that they played and what what's happening there.
It's similar to that so called brown note. Do you
guys remember the story of the brown note? I think
South part made it famous. Yeah, yeah, it's the one
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you can't hear but makes you poop, which we we've
examined in the past. At this point, there is no
universally accepted proof of the brown note, And who knows.
Maybe it's because it's not real. Maybe it's because everybody
who proved it was too embarrassed, you know, nobody wanted
to soil themselves for the sake of scientific research. But
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we're pretty sure it's at this point, Yeah, there's no
there's no real solid proof. So what this means if
something is outside the range of conscious human hearing, is
that victims can feel the effects of one of these
pieces of technology without necessarily associating those effects with an
actual sound. And through part of this, I have to
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defer to my colleagues Matt and Null here because you
all are audio experts and you have. I think you
can give a good explanation at times with what sound is,
how it works, how the perception of sound works, what
we mean when we say a frequency, and all that.
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So I just want to set that up that I
may ask some questions that relatively elementary to you. All, Okay,
no problem, and I will probably defer to Noel. So
I'm gonna set him up with a question right now,
and I will defer and turn back to Matt, and
then I will then defer to Paul, and and then
he will defer to you, ben Um, and then we'll
defer to you specifically, you listener. So here we go.
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Here's the round robin. So when you're dealing with sounds,
you're talking about waves. You're talking about energy being moved
through the air with these waves, So you've got amplitudes,
you've got frequencies, so like how close together, uh, the
sound wave is happening, how large that wave actually is,
which translates to volume. So there are all kinds of
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things that we're gonna be discussing as we get into this,
and we're talking about hurts, killer hurts and mega hurts.
Do you want to walk us through any of that?
I mean only that it's a spectrum in the same
way that color is a spectrum. And you know, sound
is measured from the lowest uh to the highest in
terms of and then you know as something goes from
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low frequency to high frequency, they get closer together, so
you can see it like on a wave form, a
lower sound is going to be is going to have
more space in between them than the higher sound is
going to have less space in between. And just to
jump in, when I say low, I mean low and
pitch and high end pitch when I'm talking about volumes.
So a lower sound could have a wavelength up to
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seventeen meters, which would be twenty hurts, and then a
high frequency could have something that you would measure in centimeters,
which would be twenty thousand hurts. Wow. And it's also
important to remember that when you're hearing sounds, it's not
just your ears. Your entire body is being embarded by
these waves that are coming from a source. So you know,
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when you imagine as a weapon, it's it's not like
they're attacking your ears, They're attacking your entire corporeal form.
And in the case of the brown note, your bowels.
That would be a very low sound that would move
you and your bowels and make you And that's that's
an incredibly important point. You know, the brown note may
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sound humorous, but Matt, you're absolutely correct in that this does.
It's a body wide affect. Your drums and the auditory
system are going to be the most sensitive and the
thing we notice the most, but that doesn't mean the
rest of the body is immune to it. And if
you hear a low sound, like a real bassi sound
at a concert, you can feel it in your guts
and your sternum and stuff, you know, And that's what
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sound is, right, vibration. So this idea of taking taking
a phenomenon is responsible for some of the most beautiful
moments of human existence. Listening to music, communicating, saying I
love you to a relative or you know, someone you're
hitting on a romantic partner, hearing your son's voice for
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the first time. There we go, There we go. The
idea of turning that into a weapon sounds like some
old school sci fi comic book stuff from the Golden
age of comics, But the truth is this technology is
not theoretical. It's already being deployed in the field on
an experimental marginal basis, and research on it continues. And
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this is not just a thing that is the domain
of DARPA. Multiple government agencies across the world have conducted
research with this, along with quite a few private entities.
And they're doing that because science backs up the claim
that sound can be used as a weapon. Earlier, we
had explored the use of sound as a psychological or
even a supernatural weapon shout out to us, See you
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next time, But the weapons were exploring now are meant
to physically injure people. We know that high powered sound
way waves can easily disrupt or even destroy ear drums,
and this creates intense disorientation because our inner ear is
a primary method of determining balance for an individual body.
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It's making me think back to those side effects he
talked about at the top of the show, that it
could cause you to get a little caddy wamp us
and start to kind of get that vertigo makes me
think of the character on Arrested Development played by Liza Manelli,
who's always got that she's got a case of the disease,
and she'll be walking around normal and then all of
a sudden kind of like well, stubble and then kind
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of have to pick herself back up. You know, it's
a it's a legitimate thing that people suffer from, just
you know, without being afflicted by weird secret government sound cannons. Yes, yeah,
and high intensity ultrasound of frequencies from seven kill it
hurts to three point six mega hurts can cause lung
and intestinal damage in mice. So it's beyond the year.
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We luckily don't have hard data about that in the
realm of human experimentation, at least not that is publicly available. Right,
heart rate patterns following vibroacoustic simulation can create serious negative consequences, uh,
such as Brady cardia atrial flutter. Sonic weapons are used
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in non military applications too. Yes, there is a ship
called the s Born Spirit that at one point used
a long range acoustic device and l RAD to deter
some pirates that were attempting to board the ship and
and take things from it and perhaps even take the ship.
And they successfully used it, Yeah, they did. There's there's
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another example that I find pretty funny, and I hope
that no one was seriously injured with this. But in
the United Kingdom, some stores began using sonic devices to
prevent teenagers from loitering. Because as as you age, as
the human body ages, you're hearing aggains to decay, and
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there are certain sounds that you will not be able
to hear later in life. It's generally the higher frequencies
right right spot on. And so these store owners were
taking mobile devices and setting them up to admit a
sound at a pitch only younger ears were capable of hearing.
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It's like only teenagers could hear this kind of thing.
It's like the millennial yelp, yeah, I think so in
every song and every song it's that like I think
it's well, yeah, only millennials can hear that. Oh man,
it does remind me of the sonic anti pest devices
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that exists. You can find them in any hardware store
for you know, rodents and insects that admit a high
pitch sound. But if you turn those things on, I
swear to you you can. You can. You can hear it,
there's air moving and you can tell. Do you think
those actually work? Have you seen evidence that they that
they work? I've not. I've never wanted to have one
in my home. Wait, but you can actually real clean home. Yeah,
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and you can actually hear them, you said, so maybe
they work on you. Not, it's not so much hearing
as sensing there's a disturbance. Does that compute at all? Yeah, totally,
and there's probably an obvious one. But like things like sonar,
where you know, you use sonic waves to detect objects
and map distances underwater, but it can really mess with
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underwater creatures who encounter it. It can jack with their equilibrium,
like things we're talking about whales exactly. Yeah, whales will
have migration roots disrupted, and there's a dearth of very
significant or substantial research on that because I'm gonna argue,
maybe this is this a topic for a different show,
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but because various governments operating submarines don't want to admit
that they're destroying this wildlife. And of course I'm sure
there are a lot of people who say, oh, you're
gonna put the price of wales life over national security.
Yeah you're jerk, to which I say, oh, national security.
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But overall, this is fascinating but pretty spooky stuff, right, Yeah,
actual humans being affected somehow by some sound. So what
happened next? Well, we'll tell you after a quick word
from our sponsor. As the US Cuba joint investigation into
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this incident continued, with the U S staff leaving or
leaving specifically for treatment, and Cuban staff being expelled from
the US and so on, more theories cropped up. For example,
what if this was a weapon operating in the infrasound ranges.
Anyone who's stuck with us for a while will pyric
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their ears when they hear infrasound. It's because we've covered
this before. We we talked about it. With regards to
Vic Tandy. It's the man that thought he'd encountered some
kind of actual ghost, like for real, before discovering that
there was a fan, literally a fan, an oscillating fan
nearby that was emitting a sound below the range that
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he could hear, and it was triggering all kinds of
things in his body, hallucinations, headaches, just weird feelings. And
eventually what Vic Tandy learned was that there actually was
something like a ghost. It was this frequency. So the
effects he was encountering were not just his mind playing
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tricks on him. They where his body responding to an
external stimulus. And what's fascinating about this, at least to
me is that if it's true, if somebody weaponized this
infrasound idea, then and if it works the way that
this worked in vict Handy's experience, then someone literally invented
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a ghost gun. Yeah. And can you imagine if you
had a large enough whatever you would need set of speakers.
I don't know exactly how large you would have to
be to omit that kind of low frequency sound that
far or that loud, but what you could do to
a population in a building or in maybe an entire city.
I'm just picturing like a giant, massive subwaffer, just a
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single one. You carry it around like on a ham truck. No, no,
you'd you would put it on a jet copter. You
just go around the city. So you're always thinking one
step ahead. However, there are some issues with the idea
of infrasound. If infrasound is the culprit here or the
means of transmission, then why did Handy not experienced severe
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hearing loss? Is that is that you know two mats
point is that because the source of Tandy's experience was
just not as large or perhaps not as optimized for damage,
and maybe the frequencies were a little different, or maybe
we're what we're dealing with in the in the Cuban
embassy case, Is this in infrasound mixed with the high
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pitched shone we heard? Oh yeah, that's right. Because multiple frequencies,
we have an audio potpourri. That's a very important point. Additionally,
according to New York Times, are reported by the National
Institute of Environmental Health Sciences that came out in two
thousand two noted that the U. S Military tried to
weaponize in for sound, but had not succeeded because it
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was so hard to focus the wavelengths. The primary effective
infrasound they found appears to be annoyance. That's a quote
that just it's just like silly. It goes through what
Noel was saying about pranks. You know, is this just
a is is this just equivalent of incessantly Facebook poking people?
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You know, you use it on the enemy and it
keeps them from getting any work done. See. I but
I gotta say, I don't know if I really believe this.
I mean, I hate to say I don't believe a
report by the National Institute of Environmental Health Sciences, but
I think it's fine. Well, you it feels like you
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could definitely weaponize this thing. I can understand the biggest
problem being not being able to focus the wavelengths because
maybe you're affecting the people who are also supposed to
be operating whatever you're deploying, something like like those giant
guns like the Babylon gun and rockets where they had
to the where the gun was so large that the
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operators had to go three hundred yards away, cover their eyes, nose, ears,
and I think basically all their other orifices with cotton,
and then would still be bleeding when they launched it.
She So maybe it's maybe it's a situation where they
said they couldn't effectively weaponize it because they couldn't weaponize
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it in a way they conformed to the operational constraints
like if it needs to affect somebody with an x
amount of yards and making everyone's anus bleed without making
everyone's anus bleed, and and if you know, like those
are considerations, and right now we don't know what those
exact constraints would be. But this leads us to another
(32:27):
possible culprit. So if infrasound, if we are taking the
word of the National Institute of environmental health sciences and
their second hand report when it is second hands that
primary source. If we're taking their word for an infrasound
for some reason doesn't work out, then what about ultrasound? Okay,
(32:49):
So with infrasound, we're talking about the lowest end of
the spectrum as far as wavelengths go. What about that
high end stuff? So at those really high frequencies they
were talking about, with the really small wavelengths that are
measured in centimeters rather than meters um higher than twenty
thou hurts, which is beyond the range of human hearing,
(33:10):
ultrasound can totally do serious tissue damage if produced with
enough juice. That's key, right, that's why. Okay, So for
anybody in the audience who had kidney stones or knows
somebody in your family who had kidney stones, that's why
one of the treatments that doctors use for kidney stones
(33:31):
is ultrasound. They'll use focus blast of this very high
frequency sound to break kidney stones apart and do small
enough pieces that they can pass through your body. But
luckily it does not affect your boys. You're right, yeah, luckily, Yeah,
we're sure about that, because I still haven't had one. Well,
(33:52):
I don't know, that's my question. I mean it. I
guess it's the focused nature of it. Like if they
shot you directly in the testes with that, maybe it
could have impact. I imagine, Well, yeah, that's that's good.
It just turns it from kidney stones into kidney shards.
Balls aren't built for ultrasound. But yeah, without without being
(34:16):
frightening about it or alarmist, it is, it is absolutely
true that this stuff can do physical damage in this
focus form of damaging kidney stones is only one application.
You know, you also hear about lower versions of this
when someone has an ultrasound during your pregnancy. Right, So,
why again can't they focus it more and and and
(34:39):
raise the power If we're talking about doing you know,
tissue damage, if it's produced with enough energy, why can't
they just use a really really by day, I mean,
the the ultimate evil that's out to destroy us all,
whoever that may be. Why can't they just use a
giant power source and do the same technology and have
it be focused enough to shoot over long distances and
(35:00):
you know, use it to like assassinate somebody for example,
and it would be undetectable, like like like aut invisible bullet.
This you know, this reminds me of Illumination Global Unlimited
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(35:23):
a question though, it's a great question. Why can't we
Why can't they use it as a bullet and their
advantages to this invisible bullet. First off, there wouldn't be
a physical artifact in the dead body of the victim, right,
it would look as though their body were shattered. But
the issue is even though they found researchers found that
(35:46):
they could create beams that were powerful enough in a
laboratory so maybe not mobile to kill a mouse at
close range a fatal sonic weapon. But despite the fact
that you could take the same technology that's used in
medical scans and so on and up up its power
level to the point of causing death, the problem is
(36:11):
that it's almost like DC power. So direct current power
had one primary one big disadvantage was that it dissipated
quickly over distances. So in Edison's original plan for an
energy infrastructure, there would have to be these stations and
a relatively small distance apart from one another repeater pretty much. Yeah, yeah,
(36:33):
And what's happening with this idea with ultrasound is that
it's also losing power pretty quickly over long distances. And
you know, the reality is that if you have a
gun that you could go and you know, point at someone,
say Paul finally gets tired of us and decides to
kill us with a sonic weapon, because it's like, I
(36:54):
don't know, you got time on your hands or something,
and window right, then, how close do you have to be?
The other problem with it, specifically in the case of
Havana is that humidity really really messes with the effect.
Well that's a dampener no pun intended, but I mean
it is. It's like another material that it has to
(37:16):
pass through that dissipates the sound in the same way
we have crap up on the walls here in this
here room that soaks up sound waves and and keeps
the room from sounding echo e. That's because it's dissipating
those sound waves in a way. And you could use
the same stuff to break up a sound wave or
damping it like and keep it from transmitting from one
(37:37):
room to another, because it's literally stopping it, or at
least slowing it down or breaking it up to the
point where it's not going to be as powerful. So
for a second, let's imagine that something like this weapon
exists out there and it's in the hands of somebody
in Cuba and it was being deployed in Who would
(38:01):
be doing it the Cuban government. That's a really interesting
question because naturally the Cuban government is going to deny
this stuff, but some people from the U. S side
would be tempted to agree with them. Former officials from
the Obama administration believe that if there were a weapon
in play, Cuba would definitely not be the person or
(38:25):
the organization pulling the trigger. Really, yeah, you're setting me up,
and I appreciate it. Well, well, no, I'm I'm. I
think it's just because it's the US embassy inside Cuba.
There have been tensions there for a long time between
the United States and Cuba, and it seems like if
you're attacking them, as if that's your target, then it
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would be motivated for some reason because of those tensions.
At least that's me coming from a complete Novice of
International Affairs side. You know, I think that's completely reasonable too.
That doesn't seem a far leap to make. According to
a foreign policy advisor for the Obama administration, a guy
(39:07):
named Ben Rhodes, go Ben's this is it's sort of
counterintuitive to blame Cuba for this. Rhodes says, I don't
think the Cuban government is behind it. He was also
involved in negotiating the opening or the approachment between Havana
(39:29):
and d C. Well, that is true. In around this time,
we're like human the United States are going through kind
of a reconnecting, right, Yeah, huh first, says Rhodes. These
things apparently started in December. At the same time attacks
were starting, the Cuban government was frantically concluding agreements with US,
US being the Obama administration signing business deals, in other words,
(39:51):
trying to preserve the relationships. So the notion that at
the same time as doing that, they would initiate something
that's so obviously designed to blow up the relationship doesn't
make sense. But you know it does make sense. What's
that a splinter group within the government or within the
some intelligence agency that's functioning in the Cuban government or
the United States government or yeah, an agent of chaos
(40:14):
who doesn't want the relationship to go a jet copter
of sorts. I could totally see that happening somebody, even
from the U S side. This is complete speculation. UM,
someone from the U S side that didn't want the relationship,
relationship to be rekindled, and so they do an attack
on the U. S. Embassy to make it look as
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though relations are souring. So this takes us to another
question then, which would be um, Who then would be
the hand that moves the sonic weapon. It could be,
as you've proposed, Matt, a splinter group on the U
S side or on the Cuban side who doesn't want
to see the relationship open or wants to at least
(40:58):
maintain his status quo of isolation on Cuba's end. Other
people will point the finger at some of the US
is long time recurring boogeman. A similar case was reported
in Uzbekistan. A U S. A I D officer and
his wife had symptoms that closely matched what was happening
(41:19):
what the what the employees in Cuba said was happening
to them, and this led some media sources to blame
Russia and say that Russia was deploying this. They did
it in Uzbekistan, they're doing it in Cuba. Interesting because
they're bad. It's like, that's like the assumption. Well yeah,
but there is another angle though, I guess because q
(41:42):
and Russia again have a longstanding relationship, and I wonder
if there was anything there. Oh man, I love I
love pondering these things without knowing all the information because
it leaves so many different avenues open to think about.
So the other twist there is Cuba went a step further.
They said there's absolutely no proof that any weapon exists
(42:04):
or was deployed, not just by them, but by anyone.
They're saying, look at what happens, look at what people
are reporting. There's no gun. Yeah, you know what I mean,
at least no large gun. Right into Knowl's earlier point,
how large would have to be. Now we have to
ask ourselves, what if there's no weapon, What if there's
(42:27):
no spoon to quote the matrix? What if what if
no actual weapon exists? What does that even mean? I mean,
you know, skeptics will say that allegations of this kind
of sonic weaponry just don't add up and kind of
defy the laws of nature of science. Yeah, right, like
(42:48):
just the everything we know about how sound works, how
it travels, like the points you brought up earlier in
a like humidity, which I now feel like a fool.
We were well, well, I don't know about the long
distance about don't think that. Why can't we have a
sonic sniper gun that just uses the technology they used
to break up your kidney stones to assassinate someone from far,
far away? And um, I realized now that that is
(43:10):
a pipe dream. Maybe not. It just really were arguing
the size of the gun. I guess it's true. And
like you know, and when I say a long distance,
I'm not saying miles. I just mean far enough away
that it could be focused and used unseen. But maybe
there is a way. I don't know. Yeah, I keep backpedaling.
Uh you know, I'm going out there on the limb.
(43:31):
What I'm saying, it's it's possible. Well, so far we've
kind of been imagining that it's one large weapon that
a military someone would deploy. What if we're talking more
about very tiny maybe not maybe not so tiny, but
small versions that are maybe littered throughout an embassy where
they're able to produce that kind of sound and have
(43:53):
that frequency response. But they're just in the walls somewhere,
or in the ducting system or somewhere where they can
where it's audible, and you can still get hit with
the sound waves, but you wouldn't see it. Similar preps
to the way that the hotel room would be bugged
with many cameras, or to get really dark and disturbing
(44:13):
about it, the way in that show ODZ. A lot
of times folks were killed by slowly being fed ground
up glass and their food. Right, So if you have
these sonic devices that are in your office and you
go in there every day and you're constantly getting doses
of this stuff, maybe it wouldn't hit you all at once,
but it would slowly weaken you over time. Maybe there's
(44:34):
an aggregate effect, especially in your sleep. M Yeah, but
if the noise was audible to them, how could they sleep?
You know what? There are questions they wouldn't it not
be audible though, because I mean, surely when you get
that treatment done, you know, for kidney stones, you're not
hearing a horrible, shrill, high pitched sound. That's true. You're
not but in this case, we have an example of
what it did sound like that, and they were they
(44:56):
did report an audible shrill sounds, so oh yeah, I
don't know, but that's what they heard. Also, so they
may have had other times where they only you know,
maybe an iceberg of sorts like the audible stuff is
what they can see. That's the iceberg above the water.
Audible dot Com is the leading provider of audiobooks and yeah,
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Really yep. How's your cookie business going so far? We're
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I am a little bit offended. Or maybe no cookies exist,
just like maybe no sonic weapons exist in this situation.
(45:42):
In fact, some neurologists have argued that the real source
of the problem is not a weapon and not a
sound at all. Instead, they think it's a sort of
mass hysteria. Yeah, this is according to Mark Hollett, the
head of a human motor control section of the u
(46:02):
S National Institute of Neurological Disorders and Stroke. Would you
love to see that in your email? Every time you
have to send something out the head of human motor control.
That's very That's yeah, that's important. It does. And he says,
from an objective point of view, it's more like mass
hysteria than anything else. Mass hysteria is something we've mentioned before,
(46:26):
what maybe when we talk about Salem which trials, which
was the source of my ou By the way, I'm
not dismissing mass hysteria, and of course can absolutely be
a thing. I was just trying to play the game. Yeah,
and I think it works. So we know massysteria is real.
We know it's dangerous. It's resulted in deaths throughout history, right,
oftentimes the deaths of completely innocent people. It describes an
(46:51):
outbreak among groups of people that are partially or holy
psycho somatic. And the that means without deriving these victims
or placing any blame upon them, that means that their
perceptions or their beliefs of what are happening, their internal
(47:11):
narratives are determining these symptoms that they are encountering, and
they're attributing that to an external source. Yeah, and I
wonder throughout the investigation that's being conducted, if they're focusing
on everything like the water supply for that building, because
you're talking about a lot of people who are drinking
the same water, who are using the same facilities, who
(47:32):
are breathing the same air. You know, that's all in
a closed system. So I wonder if you know there
are other extenuating circumstances there. That's a good that's a
good question. We don't know how far the investigation has
gone because they're not completely public about much else other
than the investigation is ongoing, phrase we hear often. Well.
(47:52):
Alett says this is more commonly a thing that affects
smaller groups of people, often in families, but he does
say it's feasible for a larger group to be affected
if they're working together closely, especially in in tents and
hostile environment. There you go, and it's probably true they
are seeing the same people every day. They're probably living
(48:12):
in somewhat of a bubble. So that's that's a neurologist
take on it, and it leads us to some conclusions
where we at now. Well. The Cuban Ministry of Foreign
Affairs claimed that it learned of these health issues on
February seventeenth, and opened a quote comprehensive priority and urgent
(48:35):
investigation and quote, and they formed a committee to carry
out set investigation. And so that's uh February seventeen, seventeen,
and we know what's been happening since before that. In
sen that's just when they heard about it. And they
also said the ministry had increased security around the American
embassy and all of the diplomatic residences where people working
(48:57):
at the embassy reside. And they additionally said, as as
we have mentioned earlier, there's not a weapon. If there was,
Cuba had nothing to do with it. Why on earth
will we do that? Stop accusings of stuff? And according
to a spokesman for the State Department's Bureau of Western
Hemisphere Affairs, since September, the Department of State has been
(49:21):
contacted by nineteen US citizens who are reported experiencing symptoms
similar to those listed in the travel warning after visiting Cuba.
So these are extra other people right who are reporting
these symptoms. At this point, we do not have a
conclusive cause. It's up in the air as to whether
(49:44):
we will ever find a conclusive cause. Two of the
big front runners for this event are going to be
mass hysteria. If you listen to some neurologists sonic weapon,
if you listen to some again enough aonymous government officials.
You have to wonder about the timing of this, as
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Matt said, you have to wonder about the specifics and
how much happened behind the curtain. But as we know now,
something happened, something happened. Is there is there a cover up?
Is it just a case of people being misinformed? Do
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The U. S. Military has cooked up some pretty bizarre
ideas over the past few decades, and longtime listeners you
(01:34):
know that, Matt Nolan I have covered some of the
more nefarious ones in past episodes. Yeah, when you're on
the edge and you're the leader of all the military technology,
you really just got to test it all, man. You
just throwst up at the wall and see if it
blows it up. Literally, like the jet copter, Yes, the
jet copter where someone finally came together with their friends
(01:57):
and said, what if we had a jet that wait
for it, guys, has three wings. Wait for it, guys,
and each of those wings has a jet engine, and
wait for it, and we spin it really really fast
and make it go somewhere to what end? Is this
is a vehicle or just an agent of chaos? It's
both meant to be a vehicle didn't work out though.
(02:19):
There's also the idea of a blinding phaser. Yeah, they
went Star Trek with that one. It looks really cool. Actually,
it looks like one of those heavy duty Star Trek
phasers that they only use when they're facing a serious
threat like the Borg. Yeah, set your phasers to blind
cass you, bog. I wonder how that would affect, you know,
(02:40):
because they've got the one human eye usually and then
the other eye. Well, they adapt the hive mind on
the land of the Borg. The one eyed man is
a Borg assimilated, right. They're also they also tried, of course,
the one of the more infamous ones was they worked
(03:00):
on a plan for a bomb that would turn people
into homosexuals. Is that the one that Alex Jones is
always talking about turns to all the frogs gay as
He's also he's thinking about environmental contaminant too, I think right. Uh,
hands down my favorite one was a pigeon guided missile.
(03:23):
This one just really quick to get into it. I
don't think we've ever talked about it before in the show. Maybe, Okay, No,
So this guy b F. Skinner during around the World
War two times, I was trying to figure out a
way to basically have a missile hone in on somebody,
and he thought, oh, you know what I've got honing
pigeons honing missile. Let's put these two together. And he
(03:44):
literally made a warhead that was three pigeons sitting inside
of warhead, live pigeons that had these rudimentary screens of
and it would show what the ground looked like as
this missile is flying through the air, and the pigeons,
if they see the target that they've been trained to attack,
(04:04):
they would all, in theory, pick at the screen, and
if all three packed at the screen, then detonation would occur.
Of course, this makes quite a few assumptions. The idea
that the pigeons would behave normally when they're strapped into
this contraction, right, uh, the idea that that redundancy would work.
Members of the National Research Defense Committee did give him
(04:27):
twenty five grand to do this again. Throw it at
the wall, see if it blows up. There were also
bat bombs, seeking to utilize the echolocative abilities of bats.
There's actually a really great episode of the lovely podcast
of the Memory Palace called Itty Bitty Bombs that talks
about that very thing, and check it out if you
(04:49):
get a chance, of course, this isn't gonna be an
episode where we just heap ridicule on Uncle Sam, because
Uncle Sam is not the only government thinking outside of
the box when it comes to military hardware and techniques.
In the cryptocurrency series that we earlier recorded, we spoke
with our old friend Jonathan Strickland about a larger trend
(05:11):
toward what's called asymmetrical warfare. And that's the idea that
if you and like, if the three of us are
the top military minds of China or Russia or something,
we know that we cannot compete one on one in
a conventional battle with the United States. But maybe it
(05:32):
turns out that Noel has a great lead on information warfare.
Maybe it turns out that Matt is super good at
delivering poison and unexpected ways. It's all about innovation, and
you're right, unexpectedness, right, the element of surprise, And this
is where we see things like Soviet attack dolphins, or
(05:52):
like the United Kingdom's ill fated attempt to build an
aircraft carrier that was also an iceberg because no one
would ever see it coming because it moves so slowly
it's almost imperceptible that it's coming at you. Yeah, and
sure it's that I could be doing much damage around
the equator, but man, but they wanted to try it.
(06:13):
And there are there numerous other silly examples. We've looked
at the assassination attempts for Fidel Castro in a different show,
Noel and I looked at uh an attempt to kill
Winston Churchill via an evil chocolate bars bloating chocolate where
and when you broke that delightful little line of demarcation
(06:34):
to get that perfect chocolate square, it would blow your
fingers and face off. Jeez. And there was also a
halitosis bomb, which is super interesting because halitosis was primarily
condition made up by advertisers. So it's a bad breath bomb, right,
and halitosis as a condition is not real. That sounds
(06:55):
like more of a prank. Yeah, I think you just
get that by eating regular cho clip and then not
brushing your teeth because you Americans full ruining. How a
great evil limbio without terrible breath so minty freshness aside,
a lot of these techniques and these weapons and this
hardware the various governments dream up never make it past
(07:18):
the brainstorming. Wouldn't it be cool if phase or the
research and development phase. Somebody somewhere along the line thankfully says, guys,
I think jet copter is kind of a dumb idea,
or someone says, would ever say that it sounds amazing,
sounds of aazing I guess depends on what you wanted
for as an agent of chaos, it would be one
(07:39):
of the coolest fireworks ever. That's true. But the problem
is this, it can be very difficult for us, the
general public, even members of other militaries, even in the
top levels of intelligence, it can be very difficult to
tell what has actually been deployed, what was kicked around
and then scrapped, what's active working is under wraps, or
(08:01):
as we saw offt in the Cold War, what's been
just sort of marketed as something to be scared of,
as an attempt to drain the other side's resources. Right,
there's a lot of propaganda around, you know, a lot
of these things do come into the public eye, but
only after something goes really, really wrong, as we saw
in the case with that stealth helicopter. Yeah, in the
(08:25):
US raid on the bin laden compound in Islamabad, most
of the taxpayer public learned that stealth helicopters were a
thing when one of them crashed, and you guys remember that, right, Well,
you would hope that you wouldn't know about a stealth
helicopter unless it's stealth abilities failed drastically, yeah, or or
(08:47):
you wouldn't know about it until you heard the sound
of whatever you know, weaponry it's got on it. Yeah.
So this is interesting because ethically, there's a little bit
of a pickle. You know, most people pay taxes on
some level, right, whether it's sales or property or income
or just something. Most people pay taxes and often don't
(09:10):
know where that money is going. So these weapons, this
suppressed technology, of this classified technology definitely does exist. It's
not a conspiracy theory to say that, it's conspiracy realism.
And there are a number of compelling arguments for why
that should be kept secret, why we should be paying
(09:31):
for things that we don't know about, and even when
they might adversely affect US national security. And let's move
on the Great Boogeyman, right, And now we're at a
point where it turns out that just last year we
may have learned of another type of weapons something we
knew could exist in theory, but hadn't seen an action
(09:53):
this way. Here's where it gets crazy already already. Yeah, So,
over the course of two years, two thousands sixteen and
two thousands seventeen, there were some weird stuff going on
in Cuba. Specifically, there were U. S. Citizens who were
serving at the embassy there. They were complaining of these
(10:14):
various strange ailments. A lot of it had to do
with things affecting their ears and their ability to hear,
like they were they were experiencing hearing loss, they were
experiencing vertigo, feeling like they were going to fall or
were falling, they were having headaches. They were even complaining
about cognitive cognitive deficiencies like having problems remembering something. Uh,
(10:36):
you know, more than just when you walk through a
door and you forget something, which is something we all experienced.
They were talking about much more severe versions of this
um and just just so everybody knows, severe hearing loss
was the most common complaint, like I cannot hear right
now and I've never had a problem with this before
in my life. And the injuries were thankfully not found
(10:57):
to be life threatening, but all of the victims had
a primary complaint that preceded their experience of this vertigo,
this hearing loss, this difficulty with recollection, and it's this
They heard a distinct, loud, pitched, incredibly annoying and painful
(11:20):
sound and unusual places, including their homes. Shall we punish
our listeners with the clip, yes, and ourselves. So the
caveat that there are a few limiting factors here. Um,
this is multiple frequencies stacked together, but they're not just
(11:44):
the ones that the human ear can perceive or that
can be recreated with phones or speakers or any other
method of reproducing sound. That's a really good point exactly
that that sound comes from the Associated Press. They actually
went in they got this sound while they were in Cuba,
and they were just mentioning that there's a lot of
(12:05):
lower much lower frequency and much higher frequency stuff going on. Sure. Yeah,
And eventually the State Department did go public with this.
Keep in mind first reports or from sien soeen. The
State Department goes public, they pull all the non essential
staff from the embassy there in Havana and the capital
of Cuba, and they allow others to return to the
(12:28):
US for treatment. On May twenty three, the State Department
also began expelling Cuban diplomats. They started with two. Eventually
they would expel fifteen in total from the United States.
And it should be noted here that the Cuban the
Cuban government vehemently denies than anything is going on here
(12:49):
like there they had any involvement in these health incidents.
H And there's a quote right here. Cuba has never
nor would it ever allow that the Cuban territory be
used for any action against accredited diplomatic agents or their
families without exception, full stop, pretty categorical there, you know.
And although the US officially states they're still investigating the
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cause of these conditions, government officials from the U S side,
from Uncle Sam, speaking on the condition of anonymity, have
said that they believe someone in Cuba was operating a
quote sonic weapon. So what could the sonic weapon be,
We'll tell you after a word from our sponsors. So
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sonic weapons. You might also hear these called ultrasonic weapons
or us WUS do what it says on the tin,
they use sound to incapacitate, injure or potentially in theory
kill they're victims, believe it or not, through the use
of sound alone and perhaps you've heard of these web
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and being deployed by police and for the purposes of
crowd disposal or crawlling. One of the most well known
examples of this, at least in the world of policing,
is something called the long range Acoustic device or l RAD. Yeah,
this thing produces noises fifty times above the human threshold
for pain, So that moment when you're listening to music
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at a concert and you start to go, oh wait,
this actually hurts a little bit. It's it's fifty times
above that. It's about around one and twenty to one
and forty decibels at high power. This sort of stuff
can cause nausea, vomiting, and so on. However, it is
considered a non lethal weapon. It's literally just so loud
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that it hurts to be there. So crowds that, you know,
Occupy Wall Street or um the ferguson Um protests, sure, yeah,
for any protests or something. The idea is that they go, ah,
my ears, I'm leaving. I'm more of a fan of
non lethal weapon two, which one is that the one
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with jo I wonder why they never did a non
lethal weapon. That's actually a good idea, And I think
I think it'd be kind of dull, right, nothing would happen.
What was the what was the parody of the lethal
weapon series was naked gun, Naked Gun, Well Weapon, police
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squad Leslie Nielsen. Wasn't there one called legal weapon or
something like that. It doesn't matter. It doesn't think one
of those Hollywood knockoffs. So we'll get back to that.
We've got top men on the research here. In the meantime,
you'll hear a lot of variations on this basic idea
of sound as a weapon, loaded weapon, loaded weapon there,
and it was called loaded weapon one, and there wasn't
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a sequel that. It's important that we have that solved.
So the variations you'll hear, much like the variations of
lethal versus loaded weapon, we're all gonna be new takes
on the same concept. You'll hear about grenade, something you
could throw that emits a powerful, dangerous sound, sonic cannons,
sonic guns, and so on, and this hardware can produce
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different effects. The majority that we know about right now
are designed to be non lethal, painful, slap on the wrist,
don't do it. We're not minimizing the effects of these
because non lethal weapons that terms sometimes gets a better
rep than it deserves. Technically, people who shoot rock salt
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at you out of a shotgun are exercising a non
lethal weapon. But I can tell you that is a
very painful experience. And I mean it could you know,
injure you such that you could die from your wound
if there'sn't get an infection or something like that. Totally
you would bleed from getting shot with rock salid I
think right, yes, depend on distance, yeah, well, and things
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like tasers too that are considered less than lethal do
have You can be killed by that because you're dealing
with your heart, and everybody has a different leaf functioning
heart and circulatory system and everything, so much in the
same way you can imagine, there are there are dangers, yeah,
especially you might have a pre existing heart condition or something,
and then it's boom, game over. So some are designed.
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Some of these weapons are designed to shoot what's called
a focus point or focused area of sound, like a
bullet from a gun or maybe a laser is a
better a better description, while others create a sustained field
of effect. Despite their names, not all these weapons are gigantic,
big booming, oversized nighties, golden era of hip hop boom boxes.
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They're operating, some of them are operating outside of the
range of human hearing, like Nolan, Matt we're talking about
with the clip that they played and what what's happening there.
It's similar to that so called brown note. Do you
guys remember the story of the brown note? I think
South part made it famous. Yeah, yeah, it's the one
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you can't hear but makes you poop, which we we've
examined in the past. At this point, there is no
universally accepted proof of the brown note, And who knows.
Maybe it's because it's not real. Maybe it's because everybody
who proved it was too embarrassed, you know, nobody wanted
to soil themselves for the sake of scientific research. But
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we're pretty sure it's at this point, Yeah, there's no
there's no real solid proof. So what this means if
something is outside the range of conscious human hearing, is
that victims can feel the effects of one of these
pieces of technology without necessarily associating those effects with an
actual sound. And through part of this, I have to
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defer to my colleagues Matt and Null here because you
all are audio experts and you have. I think you
can give a good explanation at times with what sound is,
how it works, how the perception of sound works, what
we mean when we say a frequency, and all that.
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So I just want to set that up that I
may ask some questions that relatively elementary to you. All, Okay,
no problem, and I will probably defer to Noel. So
I'm gonna set him up with a question right now,
and I will defer and turn back to Matt, and
then I will then defer to Paul, and and then
he will defer to you, ben Um, and then we'll
defer to you specifically, you listener. So here we go.
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Here's the round robin. So when you're dealing with sounds,
you're talking about waves. You're talking about energy being moved
through the air with these waves, So you've got amplitudes,
you've got frequencies, so like how close together, uh, the
sound wave is happening, how large that wave actually is,
which translates to volume. So there are all kinds of
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things that we're gonna be discussing as we get into this,
and we're talking about hurts, killer hurts and mega hurts.
Do you want to walk us through any of that?
I mean only that it's a spectrum in the same
way that color is a spectrum. And you know, sound
is measured from the lowest uh to the highest in
terms of and then you know as something goes from
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low frequency to high frequency, they get closer together, so
you can see it like on a wave form, a
lower sound is going to be is going to have
more space in between them than the higher sound is
going to have less space in between. And just to
jump in, when I say low, I mean low and
pitch and high end pitch when I'm talking about volumes.
So a lower sound could have a wavelength up to
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seventeen meters, which would be twenty hurts, and then a
high frequency could have something that you would measure in centimeters,
which would be twenty thousand hurts. Wow. And it's also
important to remember that when you're hearing sounds, it's not
just your ears. Your entire body is being embarded by
these waves that are coming from a source. So you know,
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when you imagine as a weapon, it's it's not like
they're attacking your ears, They're attacking your entire corporeal form.
And in the case of the brown note, your bowels.
That would be a very low sound that would move
you and your bowels and make you And that's that's
an incredibly important point. You know, the brown note may
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sound humorous, but Matt, you're absolutely correct in that this does.
It's a body wide affect. Your drums and the auditory
system are going to be the most sensitive and the
thing we notice the most, but that doesn't mean the
rest of the body is immune to it. And if
you hear a low sound, like a real bassi sound
at a concert, you can feel it in your guts
and your sternum and stuff, you know, And that's what
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sound is, right, vibration. So this idea of taking taking
a phenomenon is responsible for some of the most beautiful
moments of human existence. Listening to music, communicating, saying I
love you to a relative or you know, someone you're
hitting on a romantic partner, hearing your son's voice for
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the first time. There we go, There we go. The
idea of turning that into a weapon sounds like some
old school sci fi comic book stuff from the Golden
age of comics, But the truth is this technology is
not theoretical. It's already being deployed in the field on
an experimental marginal basis, and research on it continues. And
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this is not just a thing that is the domain
of DARPA. Multiple government agencies across the world have conducted
research with this, along with quite a few private entities.
And they're doing that because science backs up the claim
that sound can be used as a weapon. Earlier, we
had explored the use of sound as a psychological or
even a supernatural weapon shout out to us, See you
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next time, But the weapons were exploring now are meant
to physically injure people. We know that high powered sound
way waves can easily disrupt or even destroy ear drums,
and this creates intense disorientation because our inner ear is
a primary method of determining balance for an individual body.
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It's making me think back to those side effects he
talked about at the top of the show, that it
could cause you to get a little caddy wamp us
and start to kind of get that vertigo makes me
think of the character on Arrested Development played by Liza Manelli,
who's always got that she's got a case of the disease,
and she'll be walking around normal and then all of
a sudden kind of like well, stubble and then kind
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of have to pick herself back up. You know, it's
a it's a legitimate thing that people suffer from, just
you know, without being afflicted by weird secret government sound cannons. Yes, yeah,
and high intensity ultrasound of frequencies from seven kill it
hurts to three point six mega hurts can cause lung
and intestinal damage in mice. So it's beyond the year.
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We luckily don't have hard data about that in the
realm of human experimentation, at least not that is publicly available. Right,
heart rate patterns following vibroacoustic simulation can create serious negative consequences, uh,
such as Brady cardia atrial flutter. Sonic weapons are used
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in non military applications too. Yes, there is a ship
called the s Born Spirit that at one point used
a long range acoustic device and l RAD to deter
some pirates that were attempting to board the ship and
and take things from it and perhaps even take the ship.
And they successfully used it, Yeah, they did. There's there's
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another example that I find pretty funny, and I hope
that no one was seriously injured with this. But in
the United Kingdom, some stores began using sonic devices to
prevent teenagers from loitering. Because as as you age, as
the human body ages, you're hearing aggains to decay, and
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there are certain sounds that you will not be able
to hear later in life. It's generally the higher frequencies
right right spot on. And so these store owners were
taking mobile devices and setting them up to admit a
sound at a pitch only younger ears were capable of hearing.
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It's like only teenagers could hear this kind of thing.
It's like the millennial yelp, yeah, I think so in
every song and every song it's that like I think
it's well, yeah, only millennials can hear that. Oh man,
it does remind me of the sonic anti pest devices
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that exists. You can find them in any hardware store
for you know, rodents and insects that admit a high
pitch sound. But if you turn those things on, I
swear to you you can. You can. You can hear it,
there's air moving and you can tell. Do you think
those actually work? Have you seen evidence that they that
they work? I've not. I've never wanted to have one
in my home. Wait, but you can actually real clean home. Yeah,
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and you can actually hear them, you said, so maybe
they work on you. Not, it's not so much hearing
as sensing there's a disturbance. Does that compute at all? Yeah, totally,
and there's probably an obvious one. But like things like sonar,
where you know, you use sonic waves to detect objects
and map distances underwater, but it can really mess with
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underwater creatures who encounter it. It can jack with their equilibrium,
like things we're talking about whales exactly. Yeah, whales will
have migration roots disrupted, and there's a dearth of very
significant or substantial research on that because I'm gonna argue,
maybe this is this a topic for a different show,
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but because various governments operating submarines don't want to admit
that they're destroying this wildlife. And of course I'm sure
there are a lot of people who say, oh, you're
gonna put the price of wales life over national security.
Yeah you're jerk, to which I say, oh, national security.
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But overall, this is fascinating but pretty spooky stuff, right, Yeah,
actual humans being affected somehow by some sound. So what
happened next? Well, we'll tell you after a quick word
from our sponsor. As the US Cuba joint investigation into
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this incident continued, with the U S staff leaving or
leaving specifically for treatment, and Cuban staff being expelled from
the US and so on, more theories cropped up. For example,
what if this was a weapon operating in the infrasound ranges.
Anyone who's stuck with us for a while will pyric
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their ears when they hear infrasound. It's because we've covered
this before. We we talked about it. With regards to
Vic Tandy. It's the man that thought he'd encountered some
kind of actual ghost, like for real, before discovering that
there was a fan, literally a fan, an oscillating fan
nearby that was emitting a sound below the range that
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he could hear, and it was triggering all kinds of
things in his body, hallucinations, headaches, just weird feelings. And
eventually what Vic Tandy learned was that there actually was
something like a ghost. It was this frequency. So the
effects he was encountering were not just his mind playing
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tricks on him. They where his body responding to an
external stimulus. And what's fascinating about this, at least to
me is that if it's true, if somebody weaponized this
infrasound idea, then and if it works the way that
this worked in vict Handy's experience, then someone literally invented
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a ghost gun. Yeah. And can you imagine if you
had a large enough whatever you would need set of speakers.
I don't know exactly how large you would have to
be to omit that kind of low frequency sound that
far or that loud, but what you could do to
a population in a building or in maybe an entire city.
I'm just picturing like a giant, massive subwaffer, just a
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single one. You carry it around like on a ham truck. No, no,
you'd you would put it on a jet copter. You
just go around the city. So you're always thinking one
step ahead. However, there are some issues with the idea
of infrasound. If infrasound is the culprit here or the
means of transmission, then why did Handy not experienced severe
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hearing loss? Is that is that you know two mats
point is that because the source of Tandy's experience was
just not as large or perhaps not as optimized for damage,
and maybe the frequencies were a little different, or maybe
we're what we're dealing with in the in the Cuban
embassy case, Is this in infrasound mixed with the high
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pitched shone we heard? Oh yeah, that's right. Because multiple frequencies,
we have an audio potpourri. That's a very important point. Additionally,
according to New York Times, are reported by the National
Institute of Environmental Health Sciences that came out in two
thousand two noted that the U. S Military tried to
weaponize in for sound, but had not succeeded because it
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was so hard to focus the wavelengths. The primary effective
infrasound they found appears to be annoyance. That's a quote
that just it's just like silly. It goes through what
Noel was saying about pranks. You know, is this just
a is is this just equivalent of incessantly Facebook poking people?
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You know, you use it on the enemy and it
keeps them from getting any work done. See. I but
I gotta say, I don't know if I really believe this.
I mean, I hate to say I don't believe a
report by the National Institute of Environmental Health Sciences, but
I think it's fine. Well, you it feels like you
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could definitely weaponize this thing. I can understand the biggest
problem being not being able to focus the wavelengths because
maybe you're affecting the people who are also supposed to
be operating whatever you're deploying, something like like those giant
guns like the Babylon gun and rockets where they had
to the where the gun was so large that the
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operators had to go three hundred yards away, cover their eyes, nose, ears,
and I think basically all their other orifices with cotton,
and then would still be bleeding when they launched it.
She So maybe it's maybe it's a situation where they
said they couldn't effectively weaponize it because they couldn't weaponize
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it in a way they conformed to the operational constraints
like if it needs to affect somebody with an x
amount of yards and making everyone's anus bleed without making
everyone's anus bleed, and and if you know, like those
are considerations, and right now we don't know what those
exact constraints would be. But this leads us to another
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possible culprit. So if infrasound, if we are taking the
word of the National Institute of environmental health sciences and
their second hand report when it is second hands that
primary source. If we're taking their word for an infrasound
for some reason doesn't work out, then what about ultrasound? Okay,
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So with infrasound, we're talking about the lowest end of
the spectrum as far as wavelengths go. What about that
high end stuff? So at those really high frequencies they
were talking about, with the really small wavelengths that are
measured in centimeters rather than meters um higher than twenty
thou hurts, which is beyond the range of human hearing,
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ultrasound can totally do serious tissue damage if produced with
enough juice. That's key, right, that's why. Okay, So for
anybody in the audience who had kidney stones or knows
somebody in your family who had kidney stones, that's why
one of the treatments that doctors use for kidney stones
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is ultrasound. They'll use focus blast of this very high
frequency sound to break kidney stones apart and do small
enough pieces that they can pass through your body. But
luckily it does not affect your boys. You're right, yeah, luckily, Yeah,
we're sure about that, because I still haven't had one. Well,
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I don't know, that's my question. I mean it. I
guess it's the focused nature of it. Like if they
shot you directly in the testes with that, maybe it
could have impact. I imagine, Well, yeah, that's that's good.
It just turns it from kidney stones into kidney shards.
Balls aren't built for ultrasound. But yeah, without without being
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frightening about it or alarmist, it is, it is absolutely
true that this stuff can do physical damage in this
focus form of damaging kidney stones is only one application.
You know, you also hear about lower versions of this
when someone has an ultrasound during your pregnancy. Right, So,
why again can't they focus it more and and and
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raise the power If we're talking about doing you know,
tissue damage, if it's produced with enough energy, why can't
they just use a really really by day, I mean,
the the ultimate evil that's out to destroy us all,
whoever that may be. Why can't they just use a
giant power source and do the same technology and have
it be focused enough to shoot over long distances and
(35:00):
you know, use it to like assassinate somebody for example,
and it would be undetectable, like like like aut invisible bullet.
This you know, this reminds me of Illumination Global Unlimited
and their fantastic products. Would like to thank them sponsoring
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(35:23):
a question though, it's a great question. Why can't we
Why can't they use it as a bullet and their
advantages to this invisible bullet. First off, there wouldn't be
a physical artifact in the dead body of the victim, right,
it would look as though their body were shattered. But
the issue is even though they found researchers found that
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they could create beams that were powerful enough in a
laboratory so maybe not mobile to kill a mouse at
close range a fatal sonic weapon. But despite the fact
that you could take the same technology that's used in
medical scans and so on and up up its power
level to the point of causing death, the problem is
(36:11):
that it's almost like DC power. So direct current power
had one primary one big disadvantage was that it dissipated
quickly over distances. So in Edison's original plan for an
energy infrastructure, there would have to be these stations and
a relatively small distance apart from one another repeater pretty much. Yeah, yeah,
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And what's happening with this idea with ultrasound is that
it's also losing power pretty quickly over long distances. And
you know, the reality is that if you have a
gun that you could go and you know, point at someone,
say Paul finally gets tired of us and decides to
kill us with a sonic weapon, because it's like, I
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don't know, you got time on your hands or something,
and window right, then, how close do you have to be?
The other problem with it, specifically in the case of
Havana is that humidity really really messes with the effect.
Well that's a dampener no pun intended, but I mean
it is. It's like another material that it has to
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pass through that dissipates the sound in the same way
we have crap up on the walls here in this
here room that soaks up sound waves and and keeps
the room from sounding echo e. That's because it's dissipating
those sound waves in a way. And you could use
the same stuff to break up a sound wave or
damping it like and keep it from transmitting from one
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room to another, because it's literally stopping it, or at
least slowing it down or breaking it up to the
point where it's not going to be as powerful. So
for a second, let's imagine that something like this weapon
exists out there and it's in the hands of somebody
in Cuba and it was being deployed in Who would
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be doing it the Cuban government. That's a really interesting
question because naturally the Cuban government is going to deny
this stuff, but some people from the U. S side
would be tempted to agree with them. Former officials from
the Obama administration believe that if there were a weapon
in play, Cuba would definitely not be the person or
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the organization pulling the trigger. Really, yeah, you're setting me up,
and I appreciate it. Well, well, no, I'm I'm. I
think it's just because it's the US embassy inside Cuba.
There have been tensions there for a long time between
the United States and Cuba, and it seems like if
you're attacking them, as if that's your target, then it
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would be motivated for some reason because of those tensions.
At least that's me coming from a complete Novice of
International Affairs side. You know, I think that's completely reasonable too.
That doesn't seem a far leap to make. According to
a foreign policy advisor for the Obama administration, a guy
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named Ben Rhodes, go Ben's this is it's sort of
counterintuitive to blame Cuba for this. Rhodes says, I don't
think the Cuban government is behind it. He was also
involved in negotiating the opening or the approachment between Havana
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and d C. Well, that is true. In around this time,
we're like human the United States are going through kind
of a reconnecting, right, Yeah, huh first, says Rhodes. These
things apparently started in December. At the same time attacks
were starting, the Cuban government was frantically concluding agreements with US,
US being the Obama administration signing business deals, in other words,
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trying to preserve the relationships. So the notion that at
the same time as doing that, they would initiate something
that's so obviously designed to blow up the relationship doesn't
make sense. But you know it does make sense. What's
that a splinter group within the government or within the
some intelligence agency that's functioning in the Cuban government or
the United States government or yeah, an agent of chaos
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who doesn't want the relationship to go a jet copter
of sorts. I could totally see that happening somebody, even
from the U S side. This is complete speculation. UM,
someone from the U S side that didn't want the relationship,
relationship to be rekindled, and so they do an attack
on the U. S. Embassy to make it look as
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though relations are souring. So this takes us to another
question then, which would be um, Who then would be
the hand that moves the sonic weapon. It could be,
as you've proposed, Matt, a splinter group on the U
S side or on the Cuban side who doesn't want
to see the relationship open or wants to at least
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maintain his status quo of isolation on Cuba's end. Other
people will point the finger at some of the US
is long time recurring boogeman. A similar case was reported
in Uzbekistan. A U S. A I D officer and
his wife had symptoms that closely matched what was happening
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what the what the employees in Cuba said was happening
to them, and this led some media sources to blame
Russia and say that Russia was deploying this. They did
it in Uzbekistan, they're doing it in Cuba. Interesting because
they're bad. It's like, that's like the assumption. Well yeah,
but there is another angle though, I guess because q
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and Russia again have a longstanding relationship, and I wonder
if there was anything there. Oh man, I love I
love pondering these things without knowing all the information because
it leaves so many different avenues open to think about.
So the other twist there is Cuba went a step further.
They said there's absolutely no proof that any weapon exists
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or was deployed, not just by them, but by anyone.
They're saying, look at what happens, look at what people
are reporting. There's no gun. Yeah, you know what I mean,
at least no large gun. Right into Knowl's earlier point,
how large would have to be. Now we have to
ask ourselves, what if there's no weapon, What if there's
(42:27):
no spoon to quote the matrix? What if what if
no actual weapon exists? What does that even mean? I mean,
you know, skeptics will say that allegations of this kind
of sonic weaponry just don't add up and kind of
defy the laws of nature of science. Yeah, right, like
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just the everything we know about how sound works, how
it travels, like the points you brought up earlier in
a like humidity, which I now feel like a fool.
We were well, well, I don't know about the long
distance about don't think that. Why can't we have a
sonic sniper gun that just uses the technology they used
to break up your kidney stones to assassinate someone from far,
far away? And um, I realized now that that is
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a pipe dream. Maybe not. It just really were arguing
the size of the gun. I guess it's true. And
like you know, and when I say a long distance,
I'm not saying miles. I just mean far enough away
that it could be focused and used unseen. But maybe
there is a way. I don't know. Yeah, I keep backpedaling.
Uh you know, I'm going out there on the limb.
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What I'm saying, it's it's possible. Well, so far we've
kind of been imagining that it's one large weapon that
a military someone would deploy. What if we're talking more
about very tiny maybe not maybe not so tiny, but
small versions that are maybe littered throughout an embassy where
they're able to produce that kind of sound and have
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that frequency response. But they're just in the walls somewhere,
or in the ducting system or somewhere where they can
where it's audible, and you can still get hit with
the sound waves, but you wouldn't see it. Similar preps
to the way that the hotel room would be bugged
with many cameras, or to get really dark and disturbing
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about it, the way in that show ODZ. A lot
of times folks were killed by slowly being fed ground
up glass and their food. Right, So if you have
these sonic devices that are in your office and you
go in there every day and you're constantly getting doses
of this stuff, maybe it wouldn't hit you all at once,
but it would slowly weaken you over time. Maybe there's
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an aggregate effect, especially in your sleep. M Yeah, but
if the noise was audible to them, how could they sleep?
You know what? There are questions they wouldn't it not
be audible though, because I mean, surely when you get
that treatment done, you know, for kidney stones, you're not
hearing a horrible, shrill, high pitched sound. That's true. You're
not but in this case, we have an example of
what it did sound like that, and they were they
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did report an audible shrill sounds, so oh yeah, I
don't know, but that's what they heard. Also, so they
may have had other times where they only you know,
maybe an iceberg of sorts like the audible stuff is
what they can see. That's the iceberg above the water.
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(45:19):
you can get ten percent off a cookie at my house.
Really yep. How's your cookie business going so far? We're
just hemorrhaging money. They're just giving them away. Oh man, well,
I am a little bit offended. Or maybe no cookies exist,
just like maybe no sonic weapons exist in this situation.
(45:42):
In fact, some neurologists have argued that the real source
of the problem is not a weapon and not a
sound at all. Instead, they think it's a sort of
mass hysteria. Yeah, this is according to Mark Hollett, the
head of a human motor control section of the u
(46:02):
S National Institute of Neurological Disorders and Stroke. Would you
love to see that in your email? Every time you
have to send something out the head of human motor control.
That's very That's yeah, that's important. It does. And he says,
from an objective point of view, it's more like mass
hysteria than anything else. Mass hysteria is something we've mentioned before,
(46:26):
what maybe when we talk about Salem which trials, which
was the source of my ou By the way, I'm
not dismissing mass hysteria, and of course can absolutely be
a thing. I was just trying to play the game. Yeah,
and I think it works. So we know massysteria is real.
We know it's dangerous. It's resulted in deaths throughout history, right,
oftentimes the deaths of completely innocent people. It describes an
(46:51):
outbreak among groups of people that are partially or holy
psycho somatic. And the that means without deriving these victims
or placing any blame upon them, that means that their
perceptions or their beliefs of what are happening, their internal
(47:11):
narratives are determining these symptoms that they are encountering, and
they're attributing that to an external source. Yeah, and I
wonder throughout the investigation that's being conducted, if they're focusing
on everything like the water supply for that building, because
you're talking about a lot of people who are drinking
the same water, who are using the same facilities, who
(47:32):
are breathing the same air. You know, that's all in
a closed system. So I wonder if you know there
are other extenuating circumstances there. That's a good that's a
good question. We don't know how far the investigation has
gone because they're not completely public about much else other
than the investigation is ongoing, phrase we hear often. Well.
(47:52):
Alett says this is more commonly a thing that affects
smaller groups of people, often in families, but he does
say it's feasible for a larger group to be affected
if they're working together closely, especially in in tents and
hostile environment. There you go, and it's probably true they
are seeing the same people every day. They're probably living
(48:12):
in somewhat of a bubble. So that's that's a neurologist
take on it, and it leads us to some conclusions
where we at now. Well. The Cuban Ministry of Foreign
Affairs claimed that it learned of these health issues on
February seventeenth, and opened a quote comprehensive priority and urgent
(48:35):
investigation and quote, and they formed a committee to carry
out set investigation. And so that's uh February seventeen, seventeen,
and we know what's been happening since before that. In
sen that's just when they heard about it. And they
also said the ministry had increased security around the American
embassy and all of the diplomatic residences where people working
(48:57):
at the embassy reside. And they additionally said, as as
we have mentioned earlier, there's not a weapon. If there was,
Cuba had nothing to do with it. Why on earth
will we do that? Stop accusings of stuff? And according
to a spokesman for the State Department's Bureau of Western
Hemisphere Affairs, since September, the Department of State has been
(49:21):
contacted by nineteen US citizens who are reported experiencing symptoms
similar to those listed in the travel warning after visiting Cuba.
So these are extra other people right who are reporting
these symptoms. At this point, we do not have a
conclusive cause. It's up in the air as to whether
(49:44):
we will ever find a conclusive cause. Two of the
big front runners for this event are going to be
mass hysteria. If you listen to some neurologists sonic weapon,
if you listen to some again enough aonymous government officials.
You have to wonder about the timing of this, as
(50:05):
Matt said, you have to wonder about the specifics and
how much happened behind the curtain. But as we know now,
something happened, something happened. Is there is there a cover up?
Is it just a case of people being misinformed? Do
you have some insider info that you would like to
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And uh oh, one last thing before we before we leave,
there is there's a declassified department of the Army. I
(50:51):
guess it's just a report or part of a report
that you can read search bio effects of selected non
lethal weapons, and you should find a pdf. There's one
on Wired I know that you can get. It's just
going through a lot of the stuff with microwaves and
radio frequencies and everything that they've tested over the years
(51:11):
to see like what negative effects on the humans and
other animals can occur. It's a huge read. You probably
won't get through all of it, but there is some
meaty stuff in there, just about the possibilities and all
of that social media stuff that we rattled off. That's
all cool, but if you don't feel like reaching out
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