May 8, 2015 • 57 mins
Would the federal government really try to take over states via a military exercise? What do politicians, voters and officials think? Join Matt and Ben as they explore the history of military exercises and the upcoming Jade Helm 15.
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respond to listener request because again, the best ideas come from, uh,
you guys out there, and that's where this one came from.
We got lots of people on Facebook, on Twitter, everywhere.
YouTube guys gotta cover jade Helen more specifically jade Helm fifteen.
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We received a lot of questions about this, and of
course we looked into it. We have a video that
should be out as as we're boarding this. That's a
little one oh one about some of the primary concerns
and arguments regarding jade Helm fifteen. But with this, with
this episode, we wanted to take a little time and
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and walk through it in a way that we can't
always do in video. So to start our one oh one,
let's discuss what exactly jade Helm fifteen is. The First
thing you need to know is that it is a
realistic military exercise UH and r MT realistic military training. UH.
This is on domestic soil, and it is it occurs
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rather across multiple states, yes, and it is taking place
not just in Texas. That is the main place that
we have heard about it. That's where a lot of
the press, the media is talking about right now. But
it's taking place across seven states. New Mexico, Arizona, California, Utah, Nevada, Colorado,
and Texas. Now, the actual operations themselves, which we'll get
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into our not taking place in all seven of those states.
They're taking place in five. Were I to guess one
of the states that's probably not involved with the actual
UM military on the ground doing stuff kind of situation.
Imagine Colorado due to no AD would be more of
a think tank or brain center. Yeah, maybe perhaps some
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of the communications coming from that word, but I might
be wrong. Uh So, we do know seven states total,
as you said, Matt, five states with operations occurring. But
when does this all go down? Well, it officially kicks
off on July and then it goes all the way
to the fift of September. That's eight full weeks of
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exercising and training. Um that's pretty exacting. I mean, that's
that's a long amount of time. And I can only
imagine how difficult it has been like gearing up for
this for the people trying to organize it eight weeks
of right. I don't want to use overuse the word
officially here, but what we will have to do is
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is draw a dividing line between some of the UH
sanctioned statements or responses on the part of the government
and as we will find on the part of some
private businesses, versus the accusations or allegations or the unofficial
stories from other sources. So so here's this, and this
is a huge part about military exercises in general. Here's
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here's the thing. The stated intent of a military exercise,
no matter where it occurs in the world, does not
always jibe completely with the actual intent or motivation for
that So we do have a quotation here from a
power point we found by the U. S. Army Special
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Operations Command for their request to hold UH this rm
T Realistic Military Training in Texas. Here's the quotation, Jade
Hill is the U. S Special Operations Commands sponsored exercise
to improve the Special Operations Forces u W capability as
part of the national security strategy. Okay, I don't know
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that I fully understand that statement. It sounds it sounds
like a press release. I guess it is. Yeah, Essentially,
what they're saying is that they want to be able
to have a better performing soldiers and tighter processes or
proven operations. And it's a and it's gonna be as
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we'll find out a different kind of fighting. But who
who are the people involved in this? Who's participating? Man?
You've got a ton of groups. You've got the U. S.
Army Special Forces Command, that's the Green Berets. You've got
the U. S. Navy Seals. You know those guys. If
you I don't know, I always think about Jesse Venturan
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now when I think of a uh, former Navy Seal,
the U. S. Marine Expeditionary Units, the eighty second Airborne Division,
and also inter agency partners. So these could injury agency partner.
Of course, as a group term, this could allude to
liaison function on the part of FEMA, maybe the FBI
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or the I don't really see it, the d A,
but you know, just another government agency. Uh the oh,
I forget the gentleman's name. Uh. The person who came
and spoke to a group of people in Texas and
was trying to explain what jade Helm was to him
at a town hall meeting. He kept he kept saying
that the homelands. The Office of Homeland Security was not
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a part of this, although that's what I would see
as an inner agency partner, like someone just kind of
connecting up all the different groups. I've heard about that,
but I have not myself watched that video. We do
know that a lot of people are fielding concerns and reactions.
A lot the listeners out there, especially Texans tuning in,
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have have been telling us that there is a I
don't want to say ubiquitous fear, but there is a
widespread concern about certain things, and the populations, not just
in Texas, are having reactions concerns about well, one the
idea of a takeover, right, yeah, of bringing this large
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military force in and uh, just kind of subjugating the
people of Texas. That's at least that's what Texans were, uh,
we're saying they had concerned for during that town hall meeting. Um,
I don't know why, but especially in Texas, I think
I think that's just the history there of being wary
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of federal oversight, federal government and control. Well, that's yeah,
that's part of it. That's definitely a cultural thing. There's
another concern, by the way of the idea of in
internment of what would be hostile elements, and of course
that has its own precedent in the forced internment um
or let's be honest and call it imprisonment of Japanese
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American citizens during World War Two. But but we can
answer the question as to why Texas because it's it's
more than just a cultural thing. What would be called
the conspiracy theory was given credence by the political machinery
of Texas and this made it super popular and brought
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it into the public eye and away from just a
town hall. Um. Yeah, this happened after there was so
I guess he was just getting email after email and
calls and just people stopping him on the street and saying,
what are you doing about Jane Helm fifteen? Because, um,
the governor of Texas, Greg Abbott, he ordered the National Guard,
the state's national guard, to monitor the exercise, which is
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I don't know, I guess maybe you would want to
do that, but it seems like a a use of
resources that is not necessary. Yeah. And one thing that's
interesting about the Texas National Guard is that it is
one of the one of the relatively rare state level
organizations in the US that is independent of the federal hierarchy. Uh.
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Texas as something called the Texas Military Forces, and there
are three branches. One would be the Texas Army National Guard. Uh,
the other would be the Texas State Guard, and then
there's the Texas Air National Guard. So Abbott, I think
to ease the concerns of the citizenry, wrote to these guys, right,
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Oh yeah, he wrote a letter to the the Texas
National Guard requesting they monitor the proceedings because quote, it
is important that Texans know their safety, constitutional rights, private
property rights, and civil liberties will not be infringed. And
this managed to really just elevate this conversation to a
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you know, um, a nationwide level where everyone was talking
about this. The Daily Show, as you mentioned in our vlog,
talked about this, right, and this wasn't just a so
so what we found ourselves in is a situation wherein
the politician attempting to a swash voter concerns actually caused
a lot of the hubbub. He's not the only I mean,
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there wouldn't be any concern if there wasn't being an operation,
but he's one of the prime movers in the public
sphere yeah, he validated these concerns, and and it's crazy.
I mean, it is interesting the way this whole thing
has played out. To me. Yeah, not to be cynical,
but it's a great way to get some to show
up your voting base too. There you go, right. Uh So.
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Senator Ted Cruz also joined the phrase. He wrote to
the Pentagon fairly recently as we record this, asking for
more information about what exactly jade Helm was. And here's
where we we run into some interesting stuff because I
was talking to somebody about this on Twitter, and they
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were saying, what's going on here? Why are people worried
about jade Helm? And one of the one of the
things that I had to know for in all fairness,
was that it is in theory, for the non crooked ones,
it is a politician's job to represent their voters, their constituency,
not just the companies or the wealthy paying them to,
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you know, jump through political hoops. I said it. I'm sorry,
it's not an opinion, it's a fact, uh that their
job is to represent voters. And so I see absolutely
nothing wrong with if your voters have a concern, even
if you think it's total malarkey. Uh, it's it's sort
of your job to say, Okay, I will at least
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try to find out what's going on for you. Oh
you you know you make a great point there, Ben,
That's a that's really great. I mean, what do you
think that? Because I know that they've probably received some
flak for for uh, I guess what's used? The word
earlier was so good validating? Right, Like, are they validating
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or fanning the fires of of armism and paranoia? Um?
Or are they doing their job? And maybe it's kind
of both. Yeah, it sounds like a little column and
a little column being right. But okay, so what what
exactly are they looking for? What are these rumors in
these allegations? What do you mean when we say take over? Well, yeah,
we we talked about that. The the idea of Texans
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being afraid that the federal government is going to swoop
in with all these agencies and basically negate the rights
constitutional rights that they have as citizens not only of
the United States but also of Texas and um, I
mean kind of almost like a false flag. Red Dawn.
The plot of the movie read Dawn, not the new one,
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not the new one, to see the old one. It's
their Russian forces in the heartland of America. Right, well, yeah,
because okay, just tell me if this is too far
out on the limb. So exactly communist forces. So the idea,
the idea here in a lot of minds, I would say,
is that this um gosh, man, it's so hard to
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to not generalize. I'm just gonna give you my hypoth
hypothetical view of what I think a one person in
Tectist believes is that is that okay, is that too much? Okay,
this communist president that perhaps this person believes in, or
socialist president or let's say Muslim president is going to
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come in here with all his forces and take over
Texas because Texas is one of those last bastions of
true American freedom. That's the idea I can imagine that
if you're especially if we're comparing it to the Red
Dawn plot, the idea that this uh read force or whatever,
this other force is coming in even though it is
an interior shores. Yeah, okay, that you know. I I
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see that there there are some uh as people have proposed,
there are there are some issues with this first at
this point, at this point, at least, there is no
solid proof that we could find that would say this
was occurring. But also, of course yes, for everybody who's
listening now and thinking, uh, well, of course there wouldn't
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be proof if it was supposed it was a real operation.
That is true. That is true. Uh. And we do
know furthermore that military exercises in the past have often
had dual purposes at least that is, uh, foreign operations
and not just from the US, but from Iran, China, UM, NATO,
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multiple European countries, Russia especially and Russia recently. But there
are some problems with this idea too, right, Well, the
first and I think biggest problem, uh, is that everybody
knows about it right now. Well, most people know what
it is and that it's happening. And if anything were
to actually occur where a takeover was going to happen
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or was happening, everybody with their cell phone is going
to be filming it, right if something crazy is going down.
The scary thing is that there will be a vacuum
as this thing is occurring. There will be a vacuum
of not knowing what is exercise. You know, if anything
actually happens while this exercise is going down, that is
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kind of scary to me because how do you how
do you know what is exercise in what is real life?
And that's that's kind of where I think a lot
of these concerns even come from the root. Cause Yeah,
and there there's another idea here, like if it's if
it is massively public, and I love the point you
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bring up about communication there, then then why would it
be massively public if there was this this thing occurring?
And furthermore, if you live in Utah, Colorado, Nevada, California, Arizona,
New Mexico, or Texas and you happen to have a
cell phone handy on you when you see something strange
going down, go ahead and tweet Matt Nolan myself at
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conspiracy stuff, because you do have that power and everyone does.
With a cell phone, everyone can speak to and for now,
at least everyone can speak to the globe or anyone
with an Internet connection semidirectly. Uh. There's another thing here
that kind of bugs me, which is people don't people
who do believe something is going down don't seem to
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agree on what that threat would be. You know, Yeah,
that that is true? Um, I mean is it is it?
That isis? Is gonna do something, or maybe the government
working with isis in a false flag fashion. Um, is
it Russian's arming domestic insurgents? Is that a thing that
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we really need to worry about? Or maybe it's just
the president it making a bid for some kind of
unconstitutional I don't know, a third term. Maybe okay, trying
to pull uh an FDR. Huh maybe, I mean maybe maybe,
I don't know. We do know that, uh, statistically speaking,
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and this is so sad to admit, but statistically speaking, UH,
presidents as a whole have a propensity to uh be
presidents for longer than they're elected. Interesting, I mean, it's true,
not not US presidents. You have US presidents for the
most part, are are are keeping the average and keeping
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the curve going. But we cannot sit here on the
air and pretend like there aren't presidents for life in
multiple situations, sometimes due to a manufactured crisis, sometimes due
to the dubious honor of surviving a coup and coming
down on your population. Again, we're not talking about the
US as far as we know. UM, We're talking more
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about country is like um, like Zimbabwe for instance, and
but uh, again that's the story of another day. I
would love to do something on the I m F
and Zimbabwe please, but now we have to talk about. Uh.
One of the one of the really fascinating parts of
this story, this jade Helm story, because something else happened
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around the time jade Helm was getting public attention, the
Walmart angle. This is really really weird. So Walmart suddenly
and temporarily closed several stores in the area that we're
talking about, apparently due to ongoing plumbing issues, that's what
was heard on the news at least um and consequently
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they had to shut it down to make a large
scale repairs inside these Walmart facilities. Uh. Then you started
to hear people speculating that these stores would either be
internment camps or perhaps food distribution centers, or maybe just
centers to be used in jade Helm in some way. Uh.
Zero Hedge even had a really interesting thought, what if
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Walmart is closing these centers as a reaction to increasing
minimum wage kind of an intimidation tactic. And I say
special interest in that theory because in one of the
stores that closed, I think was in Los Angeles, it's
one of the first places where workers began agitating for
a higher wage or a quote unquote a living wage
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and Walmart closing down, Like Okay, here's the thing. People
who think that there is something rotten afoot in the
in the Jade Helm operation believe that this is a
false flag and that these Walmarts which are being closed
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for a long time seriously, that these might be being
reached for explosives or that they're gonna be you know,
as you said, like internment camps or something. But although
although there's no evidence, of course that people are rigging
up Walmart small things to explode or to become internment
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centers at this point, uh, there are some there are
some weird things. One of those is that there have
been no plumbing repair permits issued or plumbing work you
know of that scale. Yeah, well, allegedly that we know of,
right right, um, at the time of this recording. Yes. Um.
Also this the way they were closed simultaneously is rather
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strange to me. Yeah, if they all have plumbing problems,
but maybe it was just maybe maybe they're all built
with kind of the same plumbing insides, and then they realized,
oh man, these things are gonna explode in like ten days.
We've gotta shut down now. Yeah, they're like a liability
or something. Apparently they did have some of the most uh,
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they had some of the highest reports of plumbing incidents
in the fleet, which I did not know as what
Walmart refers to their stores as fleet. And that's according
to their Oaks people. You can read their copying full online,
but one here's what happened. So apparently, according to the story,
on the day of these things close, Walmart executives higher
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higher level management types go into the stores they're closing,
call an impromptu meeting in the back of the store
and say we're closing tonight, which is which is a
heck of a lot to hear, because I mean, imagine
you're in that situation. You've got a family maybe right,
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you might be working two jobs, right, which is increasingly
in case with a lot of likelihood, and you are
you might have rent do you might have to try
to figure out how you're going to stay afloat you know, well, yeah,
and you're maybe you're the middle manager or something, and
you've got to tell all your people who are coming
in later tonight to stalk that sorry, go no right
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to be here, and all of those people dealing in
that situation and is that really for plumbing. That's a
good question. Yeah, you would as an employee, Oh my gosh,
you need to know this information well, especially with the
the the management often at Walmart, especially on a larger level,
when you look at their supply chain and logistics and stuff,
regardless of how you feel about it personally, and see,
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there's something very clever going on. Uh, they're good at planning.
So if you're really closing for plumbing repairs, you probably
have the planning capability to do a little bit better
than say, oh, dirt, tonight's the night, and then it's
gonna be six months to a year and then we're
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gonna have this thing ready to go, which means it
takes more time to repair the plumbing problems than it
does to build a new Walmart supercenter. Right. Well, that's
that's the accusation. We we don't know where it is.
We found no proof of tunnels at this point or
no no, no proof of like tunnels going beneath the
ground or some of the other allegations. But we can
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say that I don't know, Matt, there's something sketchy about
the closure of those stores. Yeah, I think this right
here is its own thing almost besides jade Helm fifteen.
There's something fishy going on with Walmart in these areas,
regardless of whether they are related or they just happen
at coincide and time. But now this gets us to
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one of the most troubling aspects about jade Helm, which
I think we may have touched on the video. Uh,
the idea that even if this is on the up
and up, even if this is just a military exercise
to train US forces uh to fight. Oh, I should
have said that at the top with that quote that
you w that that abbreviation stands for unconventional warfare, yes,
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and terrain that they're not used to training on. Right, Yeah,
so this this would be UM fighting, like having different
rules of engagement almost uh, and a familiarization that doesn't
really occur in the classroom or on the base. So
the troubling thing about this, even if it is on
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the up and up and is just to train people
and there's nothing um, there's nothing illegal or unconstitutional or
any kind of enfarious plan for the states involved in this,
there is one troubling thing, which is that it is
a military exercise, and we don't hear about military exercises
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as often as we should know, they're like this invisible
news story. So we'd like to talk a little bit
about those and and let you know what these things
actually are. Absolutely so. The first thing is that there
are several different types of military exercises. The first one
is a field exercise, and this is where you are
actually outside somewhere. You're in some kind of theater of training.
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This could be anything from a city city escape to
just in you know, um out in the desert somewhere. Sure,
And this is stuff where you're firing blanks or practicing
some kind of naval maneuver off the coast, let's say,
of another country, or maybe even off your own coast.
In a field military exercise is really just a dress
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rehearsal for actually being in war. You know, that's a
that's an interesting turn of phrase, and I'm glad to
use it. There. There's a there's a second kind, which
occurs more and more frequently now as technology involves, and
that is the simulation, the military simulation. So think of
this as if if a field exercise is dress rehearsal
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for war, then a military simulation is war without the war. Yeah,
I guess because this this goes back to some of
the earliest history of how military exercises. War games began,
because you know, you're looking like you're looking at a
map or you're looking at a model, and you try
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to manipulate these various models through different scenarios to see
what could happen. You sometimes hear these called war games,
and for me, this is really testing the communications of
the different groups that are involved in this kind of thing,
whether or not we can all see the same thing.
And uh, you know, if what you see is to
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be translated as whatever aggression inside this war game, it's
really interesting stuff. Also where it's it's strange because in
many in many ways, it's an attempt of sorts too.
Oh what's the word, man, It's an intempt to quantify
large scale human action, which is a dangerous game, but
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it is. It is definitely that kind of attempt. If
if we modify variable B by twelve percent, what you know,
what shakes out after that and what we learn about
this And don't get me wrong, technologies increasing at a
terrifying rate in terms of intelligence, but the uh, right
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now we slap problems fitting human decisions into those sorts
of boxes. We've made a lot of great strides, like
with game theory and stuff, but we're still kind of guessing.
And there's another type of military exercise too. Oh yeah,
there's a joint exercise. And this is when two separate
militaries or perhaps separate agencies work together and they conduct
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an exercise together. Like let's say the US and the
Republic of Korea come together, that's South Korea and they
do an exercise off the coast, and then North Korea
is like, what are you doing? China as well, probably
China is not especially wild about having about the US
pivot toward Asia. Okay, so we've got those three types.
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We've got joint exercise, simulation in a field exercise. The
reasoning here and there's another time where we have to
use the word official reason here is that this serves
several purposes. We test equipment right, and we perform maintenance
if necessary. So our fifteens or f thirty fives or
are abrams in one's don't just crumble into crock pot
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shards in the middle of an actual war soldier training.
What what are these guys gonna do when when they're
actually in the field. Uh, The idea of these game
planning in these scenarios is that you can maximize effectiveness
while hopefully minimizing casualty or the cost of war, just
in terms of material because I can't be wasting those
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million dollar missiles. Oh yeah, and there was a oh man,
I'm trying to remember this. But but if you're if
you're interested in this kind of stuff about military actions abroad,
this is such a sidebar, Matt, and I'm sorry, but
a long time ago, on one of our other house
to work shows, car stuff the Scott My Coast on
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that show, and I looked at this military plan to
make jet fuel from seawater. I feel like, yeah, yeah,
it popped up on the net awhile back, and we're
reading into it, this this concept, and while we were
reading into it, we learned about the supply chains required
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to sustain vehicles in foreign spheres, Like the cost per
gallon of gas is, uh, think of a number ladies
and gentlemen, and let me assure you it's higher than
that per per gallon because you have to you have
to also factor in the cost of a tanker to
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transport that or a helicopter to fly it out to
an inhospitable region somewhere in Eurasia or something so there
there really is not just like I want to make
sure people understand, it's not just planning to save blood
and treasure. It's planning to not go broke in the process. Yeah, yes, absolutely,
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trying to maximize efficiency in all of these different things, right,
which sounds great on paper, and that's why it's the
official reasoning along with like let's learn how to work
better with other agencies or other governments, you know, but
there is a another purpose, a purpose the bubbles under
the surface of these official declarations. Well, what's going on there? Well,
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I would argue, and we've had a conversation about this
off of Mike about military exercises and how there is
generally there are a couple of things that happen, but
one of them that always happens, or a reason behind
a military exercise is posturing of some sort political maneuvering,
some kind of intimidation. So your enemies or the people
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who may potentially be your enemies see you flex your
muscles and you know, just kind of saying, hey, look out,
this is what we can do. And you see this
in countries across the world. This is by no means
the US only thing. Um. And we see this with
Iran and the US staging war games across the strait
of war moves because of how important that piece of uh, well,
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water and land is, right, Yeah, it's the choke point
for a big part of the world's oil supply, hugely important,
and you just have people staging war games right next
to it, just to go, hey look over here. Yeah,
and Iran still won't play games with the central banks,
so that situation is probably not can be resolved very soon. Ben, what,
that's a whole another dark territory. Now it's okay, you're
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absolutely right, Well, okay, but that's that's a really great
point that because we do see that, uh, we do
see that military exercises, just in the timing and the
location often seem to be acts of political maneuvering or
as you said in intimidation posturing, you can also see
these exercises as some type of alibi for moving assets
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across the globe. So, um, just let's say Russia and
China they are moving their assets to the Mediterranean for
this joint exercise, and now they've got troops and they've
got ships, they're just hanging out that are ready to
go for an exercise though, been right, Yeah, not not
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for real. It's like adding, I'm just saying to a sentence. Yeah,
I'm just saying, we do have a couple ships in
the Mediterranean. Uh yeah, not for real, but I'm just saying, yeah.
So so it's true. That is that is a real story.
Russia and China are strengthening their military ties and they're
conducting exercises, joint military exercises with one another in the Mediterranean.
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This is sticky because China recently acquired its first quote
unquote aircraft carrier. So it's not it's it's a retrofitted
Russian one, right, and the reverse engineer added some some
domestic technology, and now they are coming what's called the
Blue Water Navy, or they have been already. So so
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this could be of concern, especially with if you want
to look at the long con especially with um, the
navigable waterways opening up in the North Pole. Oh wow,
so you can just yeah, Russia is all about it, man,
But let's a whole nother story about you. We're doing
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so many stories, thank you. So the history of this,
the history of these exercises that you often will not
hear about in the news, but have an enormous effect
on the performance of militaries and the actions of nations. Uh.
These stretch back uh centuries. The modern use of military
exercises grew out of this need to study warfare and
(33:48):
to reenact old battles and try to learn something from them. Right, Yeah,
this was military exercises were away for um, let's say
commanders and the people in charge generals of armies to
play command and conquer before there was command and conquer.
That's a great that's a great comparison. Well, right, because
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you have to see what you need to look at
the past. Let's look at this battle and what what
happened during it. What could we have changed to make
it better for for us? Were worse for them? Um,
And that's really interesting to me. And uh if also
the idea that if you train your troops and discipline
them in a way that they have seen this before,
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This isn't the first time they're being even if it's
virtually shot at inside a trench or something like that,
then they're gonna respond more predictably. There you're gonna have
that muscle memory you're gonna also allow them to You're
going to allow the generals to see what kind of
maneuvers they can or you know, how me say generals,
but the commanders what kind of maneuvers they can send
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down to their troops. That makes it more effective on
on all accounts, right, how to most effectively react to
your opponents maneuvers as well? Yeah, and uh so there's
this old game, this older game that some of our
military members of the audience or maybe veterans have heard
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about before, and probably historians and military historians. It's uh
it's called Kraigspiel Kraigspiel k r i e G S
p i e L. This is a vented in the
early eighteen hundreds. You'll hear numbers from like eighteen ten
to eighteen twelve, but let's call it eighteen eleven. Uh.
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And officers in the Prussian Army love this because they
were able to they were able to use dice to
stand in for the fog of war and the uncertainty,
your lack of information, and people still play this game.
There are two different ways to play it. There's one
of very strict rules. There's one that's called like the
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free version, and people are still fans of this aim
you listeners might be familiar with it yourself, But the
point is from that we still have um war games
that are used by twenty one century modern militaries. And
there's a uh, there's an author that you should know
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of called Manuel de Landa who writes extensively about war
games and has has one of our recurring characters pops
up in the history here, and that is the Rand Corporation.
They employed, the employed a fellow named von Newman who
was the brilliant man, the originator of game theory and
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determined a lot of the way the US behaved and
the West during the Cold War. UM, so the nuclear
strategy of the US was in its in its own way,
a kind of military exercise, which is frightening when you
consider that the there were real news. Yeah, they're real nukes,
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and they're sitting in a room just imagining, well, if
if the Soviet Union launches their nuclear missiles at this time,
how much time do we have to react? And just man,
that stuff is terrifying to me. That's why the old
movie war was it war game? Or war games? Is that?
Is that the name of the movie. Maybe a war games.
I think four games. I can't remember if it's single
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or plural, but oh man, so great. I have vivid
memories of watching them as a kid and just going cool,
vin yeah, and then what rewatching it later and just
going oh god. I mean, that's the case with a
lot of stuff. Have you ever seen some of those
creepy cartoons we watched kids? Yeah, okay, Yeah, there's a
lot of stuff that I didn't get. It went over
my head. Um. And speaking of stuff that went over
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people's heads. Uh, one thing that one thing that I
didn't register for a long time is that since the
since September eleven, two th one, there has been a
growing distrust of military exercises. And that goes back to Um,
that goes back to some of the stuff you hear
about military exercises being conducted on the day of the
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World Trade Center or the World Trade Center and tragedy. Um.
I'm not too too familiar with this stuff. Well, I
don't want to speak I cannot speak definitively to it.
But there were exercises being taking place on that day,
that morning, and they were eerily similar to what was
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happening in actual world. Um. There's that. Wow. We we
can't even I can't even go into it here because
I'll just sit here in mouth off for like half
an hour. Now, we can't ask listeners to to write
in and let us know what you know about this,
that that might be the best way for us to
start exploring that. Oh that would be great. Please write
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to us about the military exercises that occurred on the
morning of September right. There's another conspiratorial angle here too,
which is that nations might conduct or or inter governmental
alliances like NATO might conduct military exercises for the purpose
(39:17):
of war mongering, of pushing another nation to respond in
an altercation and thus starting a war. We know that
this has been attempted several times with Iran. But yeah, well,
because then you can claim, oh, well, they hit us first,
right right, And I mean, you know, I'm not in
any way saying Iran is some dudley do right amongst
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nation states, because you know, let's it's not really a
secret that um multiple countries pretty much pay terrorist groups,
and Iran is no exception to that. They pay, They
pay UM, they pay several terrorist groups in the Middle East.
You know, neither the United States does that too, to
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be fair, But is it perspective? Is it a freedom fight?
One man's freedom fighter is another terrorist because as we said,
the m e K is considered a terrorist organization by
Iran but not by the United States. And Iran has
gone so far as to say that the US funds
Emmy King, right right, So, uh, yeah, it depends on
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I guess it has on what side of the battle
you fall on. But both, make no mistake, both sides
of that that altercation are using the same tactics often. Uh.
The conclusion here that we come to, there's a there's
a neat little quote. Um, they just I wanted to
read here regarding Jade Helma Fellow named Barross Ramsey, executive
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editor of the Texas Tribune, said this has become a
news item less because of the reaction to the military
being there than because of the state government's reaction to
that reaction. Yeah, I want, I'm I'm super hesitant sometimes
with um the media when it starts becoming its own story.
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I was talking off air to our buddy Joe McCormick ffore,
we're thinking about this earlier and when one thing that
we have not really done videos on or anything. But listeners,
if you are still with us and checking out the show,
I'm sure you know. I'm sure you'll recognize we're about
to say there's an ongoing pedophile cover up, oh man,
(41:31):
reaching the top levels of the United Kingdom, and slowly
but surely, people are being turned over to the proletaria
and the quote titian and the average uh non aristocrat
um as they are dead or as they are too
mentally infirmed to have consequences for their horrific actions. Uh.
(41:54):
This leads people to say that there must be many more,
or there must be some active Uh. I think monsters
is the appropriate word. Uh, not just not being affected
by the laws, but writing the laws. They say, it
goes all the way to Parliament. I don't know, because
the dossier that named all these people was lost. But
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I bring all this up so you guys know that
we're aware of it. But also because uh, there's a
point we need to make here, which I love when
the BBC does this matter and you see other news
organizations do this too. And don't get me wrong, the
BBC has some great coverage, but something like my spider
sense always starts to go off when the story becomes
(42:36):
about reporting the story instead of about the story itself.
So if the BBC and you guys can note this too, uh,
sometimes you will hear not just on the BBC but
on other channels. May yeah, maybe scene in I definitely
I'm specifically remembering BBC, but sure scene in as well. Um,
the thing will become like the host interviewers asking the
(43:01):
journalist who is reporting the story, like, so, what would
you say about the process of reporting this story? And
then it becomes about the process that of the journalists,
the professional making the story more so than the story itself.
It's a very clever, subtle kind of conversational jiu jitsu,
you know. Oh yeah, sure, it puts the focus on
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that is interesting. It puts focus directly onto the journalist itself.
And almost it almost to me, wants to make the
act of journalism. It's putting it up a little bit
on a pedestal of saying it, look how difficult it
was to decide what to report about here and how
we went about it, and God knows we we need
to keep journalism alive. Please right, and neither you or
(43:47):
I and and no either we're We're not a particularly
journalist absolutely. Well, yeah, okay, you're right, but I want
to be but I wholehearted least port journalism, and I
think it does. I think it is a great service
to the global community. But anyway, watch out, ye if
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you want to watch, well, if you want it's true,
where would we be? Absolutely absolutely right. But if you
want to, if you want to, let us know about
deflection tactics, you've seen like that. We we also love
to hear about that. Uh So if we sum up
military exercises in general and find some scary things, well, yeah,
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the first thing is that they happen much more than
you hear about them happening. Oh yeah, much more than
you think that they happen, because they have to. Uh.
In theory, you have to be constantly training if you
want anything to improve in from a military perspective. Uh,
they have all kinds of different purposes, not just the
ones that they tell you that therefore right right, And
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maybe the people running the exercises or whomever is in
charge of the official statements and they are we have
to say it, they are necessary. Uh, in there are necessary,
definitely in the minds of the people who are scheduling them,
or or what would you say, would you say waging
a military exercise or would you say producing a military exercise? Yeah,
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I don't know. We are participating in yeah, and military exercise.
That's a good thing. And the most to me, the
most dangerous aspect of this ultimately is this, this can
degenerate into actual warfare. So imagine if imagine if um,
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there's someone who is convinced that jade Helm is the
reckoning that we have heard so many people worn up before,
and that the federal government will come in jack boots
style and take over every town, every municipality in this area,
take away their guns, their right to free travel, which
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is a big thing that a lot of other countries
don't have. And uh, someone being convinced of that attacks. Yeah,
they fire first, They fire first while an exercise is happening, right,
and kind of like what we were talking about earlier, exactly, Yeah, exactly,
And and I don't know, but it's a it's a
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it's a dangerous thing for everyone involved. I used to
I don't know how much you want to get into this,
but but I used to be familiar with UM some
of the companies, and these would be like private companies
that assist in playing war games really Louisiana. Yeah, and uh,
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there will be civilians who are tasked of being role players,
so actors, um, well, definitely they could. They didn't call
them crisis. That's a company. I think that is a
private term for a general thing. Okay, but but again
another thing that we we have to keep hammering homes.
(47:02):
We don't know. We don't know what happens July fifteen
to September. I have not seen and this is just me, guys,
and and please email me if if you have something
that that is to the contrary. But I have not
seen anything yet that says this would be some sort
of takeover. And you know, Alex Jones over at info
(47:23):
wars um originally like they're they're in a fight now
about how the story was told, because now it's about
how the media reported it. And they're saying that they
never called it a government takeover or that it was
going to be an incremental thing. Um. But they they've
been under attack for that, and they're saying that the
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people attacking them made a straw man and put words
in their mouths and then attack them for things they
didn't say. But the truth of the matter is that
despite the fact that I have I have not seen
any evidence that this would be some kind of world
power or Uncle Sam takeover of these seven states. Uh.
(48:08):
I don't know. I I don't know what will happen
on THEFT. I can say that so many military exercises
take place and have taken place, though not of this size. Uh.
And during those times, they were not treated as the
threat that Jade Helm is being treated as. So everyone
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out there, if you're in a state where this is
taking place, make sure make sure you're streaming video or
posting to live leak or twittering to Ben and I
so we you know, can have an understanding of what's happening. Um,
it would it would be really I would love to
just have that kind of first person perspective. Yeah, and
let us know if you think it's absolute b S two.
(48:50):
I mean, like I I would love to see I
would love to see firsthand accounts. Yeah, I want to
see what it looks like. Although I don't know how
closely they're going to protect the areas where the stuff
is going to take place. Um, but you know everybody's
got cell phone. So and to show you what big
fans we are of listener mail, we are going to
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check some out right now, okay. So Chad e writes
to us and says, hey, Ben and Matt, I've been
listening to and watching the podcast for a long time,
not too long ago, and one of your podcasts you
mentioned the desire to someday visit the utah n s
A data center. We totally want to do that, chat okay,
(49:36):
Chad says. I drive past it every day on my
commute to work. I took a picture the other day.
This is about the closest that the general public is
able to get all five buildings seen in the picture
part of the center where all they're all very drab
cement structures. There are only two roads to access the buildings.
The first is through Camp W. G. Williams, the neighboring
military base uh and north or to the right in
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the included picture. The second an access road that turns
off the main highway. It is marked as a private
drive for employees authorized personnel only. Ever since the data
center has been active, there's been a police car part
on or near the access road seven. It always has
its lights flashing. It's very distracting into my mind, attracts
more attention than necessary to the buildings, especially when a
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little further up the access road is a full blown
security check station. Sorry, the picture isn't better quality. I
took it from the passenger seat while car pooling. There
is no whole lot to see, but there are some
little things that make you wonder when you drive past
those buildings on the hill. Hope you enjoy. Keep up
the good work, chat. It is a great picture, Chad.
Thank you. It's on my desktop right now. Yeah. I
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think at taking pictures so along. I'm always in all
of someone who can do it from a moving vehicle
with what looks like, you know, relatively little time as
you're driving by. We'd absolutely love to see the data center. Um,
I don't know if we get a shot to let
us see it. He did. Yeah, well, let's amend that
we'd like to see inside of it. And uh, I
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don't know. I guess the police the police car makes
sense to me in case something goes and they need
somebody right by the road or repetition in security. That
makes sense. Yeah, it does seem like a strange use
of resources to have the lights on at all times.
And I don't know, it seems like you just construct
a barrier there of some sort or a gait. Yeah, yeah,
(51:27):
maybe you're right. I don't know who knows, who knows
a lot cheaper just to have a patrol car. Oh yeah,
oh yeah, maybe it is. Here's the question, um d
B writes to us to say, what camera do you
film on? Oh? Well, okay, dB um. We usually film
on when you're looking at the vlogs, a Sony e
(51:48):
X one, which is a slightly older camera that we've
had here at how stuff works for a while. It
was the first camera we ever got that records, uh
to solid state media rather than having tape. For a
long time, we used to record on these h well,
I don't even remember HDV, I think is what it
was called. There was another Sony camera that recorded to
(52:10):
It was almost HD what it was all interlaced. And
I'm sorry if I'm too inside baseball about that stuff.
But this it's the one that Ben and I use
because you can plug his microphone that Ben uses directly
into the camera, rather than having a separate piece of
hardware to record his audio. And uh, that's the way
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we've we've been doing it for a while. Another one
we use is a It is a g H two
and sometimes a g H four and these are Loo
mix cameras and they are They're fantastic visually, but the
audio side it just makes it a little more complicated.
But also my my nickname for the original camera or
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main our main go to camera is Old Faithful because
we also realized this is a little bit sneaky. But
we also realized that if we kept using that camera
and we were the only people who use that camera,
then we wouldn't have to. Um. It's way easier for
us to shoot UM at any time. Yeah. Basically I
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can keep the camera by my side with everything, Ben,
and I will need to shoot guerrilla style at all times,
which makes me very happy. Alright, So thank you for
writing DV. Really appreciate it. Man. That's a. That's a.
That's a great answer to UM. All right, Sue, Well
you want to do one more sure? All right? Ben?
Here is a letter from Brian. Brian writes and says, Hi,
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looking at Google Earth, I became curious about the river
valleys that appear to be well below the current level
of the ocean. I live in the Puget Sound area,
so the coast of Washington State peaks my curiosity. These
anomenalies occur around the world and are not specific to
my location. The question is, if mankind has always lived
close to water, then why are we looking for civilizations
(54:00):
in the wrong locations. Perhaps we ought to be looking
along prior waterways and along the prior coastlines. I'm attaching
to screenshots, which he did, and it's basically let's see, yeah,
here we go. One is unaltered and the other one
I've traced the route of the Columbia River. Go on
Google Earth and see it for yourself. To my knowledge,
(54:21):
this is not an issue you have covered. The rise
in ocean level might be explained by the star water
hypothesis put forth by suspicious observers on YouTube. That is
not something I am familiar with, the star water hypothesis,
But these Google Earth images are really interesting and I
love that idea that, well, what if the water levels
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are very different from what we are being told ben,
and that's where civilizations used to be. The good thing
is that there is science you can look at with
a lot of this stuff that can kind of demystify
it or maybe even remystify it for you if you've
already thought you had the answer more questions. It is true.
It is true that we have we being the human species,
(55:04):
not Nold, Matt Scully and I Uh, we have in
the past found entire cities just submerged and forgotten in
the depths. And and I'm not I'm not saying like
an Atlantis thing, but i am saying that. No, I
am saying it actually happens. Though we we did a
great oh man, it's still one of my one of
(55:25):
my favorites that one of my favorite topics we ever
looked at, Matt was lost civilizations. You know, there's some
real strange stuff there. And one of the spoiler alert,
one of the big conspiracies, if you haven't heard this
episode yet, let me ruin it for you. One of
the big conspiracies about UM South American cities. You always
hear about them being found in the jungle, right or
(55:47):
or maybe submerged somewhere. That's totally possible. There's this picking,
there's this conspiracy theory or speculation that UH governments are
either completely not in a hurried to find these lost
towns and cities, or if they know about it, they're
working to not have other people know, or to just
(56:10):
have these remain undiscovered because of the massive cost of
upkeep and reconstruction and protection. Uh So the city or
state or the government is going to have to pay
for all this in some way. And I don't have
any proof of that, but I thought it was so
interesting this idea that there might be a financial incentive
(56:30):
not to discover the history of the land. You're right, um,
So anyway, you guys, thank you for listening. Matt and
Noel and I are gonna head out. I guess Agent
Scully will just stay here. She always does. I don't
know what. I don't know what she does with her time,
but we're gonna get out of here. We're gonna get
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(56:53):
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you guys out there, and that's where this one came from.
We got lots of people on Facebook, on Twitter, everywhere.
YouTube guys gotta cover jade Helen more specifically jade Helm fifteen.
(01:52):
We received a lot of questions about this, and of
course we looked into it. We have a video that
should be out as as we're boarding this. That's a
little one oh one about some of the primary concerns
and arguments regarding jade Helm fifteen. But with this, with
this episode, we wanted to take a little time and
(02:13):
and walk through it in a way that we can't
always do in video. So to start our one oh one,
let's discuss what exactly jade Helm fifteen is. The First
thing you need to know is that it is a
realistic military exercise UH and r MT realistic military training. UH.
This is on domestic soil, and it is it occurs
(02:37):
rather across multiple states, yes, and it is taking place
not just in Texas. That is the main place that
we have heard about it. That's where a lot of
the press, the media is talking about right now. But
it's taking place across seven states. New Mexico, Arizona, California, Utah, Nevada, Colorado,
and Texas. Now, the actual operations themselves, which we'll get
(03:00):
into our not taking place in all seven of those states.
They're taking place in five. Were I to guess one
of the states that's probably not involved with the actual
UM military on the ground doing stuff kind of situation.
Imagine Colorado due to no AD would be more of
a think tank or brain center. Yeah, maybe perhaps some
(03:24):
of the communications coming from that word, but I might
be wrong. Uh So, we do know seven states total,
as you said, Matt, five states with operations occurring. But
when does this all go down? Well, it officially kicks
off on July and then it goes all the way
to the fift of September. That's eight full weeks of
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exercising and training. Um that's pretty exacting. I mean, that's
that's a long amount of time. And I can only
imagine how difficult it has been like gearing up for
this for the people trying to organize it eight weeks
of right. I don't want to use overuse the word
officially here, but what we will have to do is
(04:07):
is draw a dividing line between some of the UH
sanctioned statements or responses on the part of the government
and as we will find on the part of some
private businesses, versus the accusations or allegations or the unofficial
stories from other sources. So so here's this, and this
is a huge part about military exercises in general. Here's
(04:30):
here's the thing. The stated intent of a military exercise,
no matter where it occurs in the world, does not
always jibe completely with the actual intent or motivation for
that So we do have a quotation here from a
power point we found by the U. S. Army Special
(04:52):
Operations Command for their request to hold UH this rm
T Realistic Military Training in Texas. Here's the quotation, Jade
Hill is the U. S Special Operations Commands sponsored exercise
to improve the Special Operations Forces u W capability as
part of the national security strategy. Okay, I don't know
(05:17):
that I fully understand that statement. It sounds it sounds
like a press release. I guess it is. Yeah, Essentially,
what they're saying is that they want to be able
to have a better performing soldiers and tighter processes or
proven operations. And it's a and it's gonna be as
(05:37):
we'll find out a different kind of fighting. But who
who are the people involved in this? Who's participating? Man?
You've got a ton of groups. You've got the U. S.
Army Special Forces Command, that's the Green Berets. You've got
the U. S. Navy Seals. You know those guys. If
you I don't know, I always think about Jesse Venturan
(05:57):
now when I think of a uh, former Navy Seal,
the U. S. Marine Expeditionary Units, the eighty second Airborne Division,
and also inter agency partners. So these could injury agency partner.
Of course, as a group term, this could allude to
liaison function on the part of FEMA, maybe the FBI
(06:20):
or the I don't really see it, the d A,
but you know, just another government agency. Uh the oh,
I forget the gentleman's name. Uh. The person who came
and spoke to a group of people in Texas and
was trying to explain what jade Helm was to him
at a town hall meeting. He kept he kept saying
that the homelands. The Office of Homeland Security was not
(06:42):
a part of this, although that's what I would see
as an inner agency partner, like someone just kind of
connecting up all the different groups. I've heard about that,
but I have not myself watched that video. We do
know that a lot of people are fielding concerns and reactions.
A lot the listeners out there, especially Texans tuning in,
(07:03):
have have been telling us that there is a I
don't want to say ubiquitous fear, but there is a
widespread concern about certain things, and the populations, not just
in Texas, are having reactions concerns about well, one the
idea of a takeover, right, yeah, of bringing this large
(07:25):
military force in and uh, just kind of subjugating the
people of Texas. That's at least that's what Texans were, uh,
we're saying they had concerned for during that town hall meeting. Um,
I don't know why, but especially in Texas, I think
I think that's just the history there of being wary
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of federal oversight, federal government and control. Well, that's yeah,
that's part of it. That's definitely a cultural thing. There's
another concern, by the way of the idea of in
internment of what would be hostile elements, and of course
that has its own precedent in the forced internment um
or let's be honest and call it imprisonment of Japanese
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American citizens during World War Two. But but we can
answer the question as to why Texas because it's it's
more than just a cultural thing. What would be called
the conspiracy theory was given credence by the political machinery
of Texas and this made it super popular and brought
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it into the public eye and away from just a
town hall. Um. Yeah, this happened after there was so
I guess he was just getting email after email and
calls and just people stopping him on the street and saying,
what are you doing about Jane Helm fifteen? Because, um,
the governor of Texas, Greg Abbott, he ordered the National Guard,
the state's national guard, to monitor the exercise, which is
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I don't know, I guess maybe you would want to
do that, but it seems like a a use of
resources that is not necessary. Yeah. And one thing that's
interesting about the Texas National Guard is that it is
one of the one of the relatively rare state level
organizations in the US that is independent of the federal hierarchy. Uh.
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Texas as something called the Texas Military Forces, and there
are three branches. One would be the Texas Army National Guard. Uh,
the other would be the Texas State Guard, and then
there's the Texas Air National Guard. So Abbott, I think
to ease the concerns of the citizenry, wrote to these guys, right,
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Oh yeah, he wrote a letter to the the Texas
National Guard requesting they monitor the proceedings because quote, it
is important that Texans know their safety, constitutional rights, private
property rights, and civil liberties will not be infringed. And
this managed to really just elevate this conversation to a
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you know, um, a nationwide level where everyone was talking
about this. The Daily Show, as you mentioned in our vlog,
talked about this, right, and this wasn't just a so
so what we found ourselves in is a situation wherein
the politician attempting to a swash voter concerns actually caused
a lot of the hubbub. He's not the only I mean,
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there wouldn't be any concern if there wasn't being an operation,
but he's one of the prime movers in the public
sphere yeah, he validated these concerns, and and it's crazy.
I mean, it is interesting the way this whole thing
has played out. To me. Yeah, not to be cynical,
but it's a great way to get some to show
up your voting base too. There you go, right. Uh So.
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Senator Ted Cruz also joined the phrase. He wrote to
the Pentagon fairly recently as we record this, asking for
more information about what exactly jade Helm was. And here's
where we we run into some interesting stuff because I
was talking to somebody about this on Twitter, and they
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were saying, what's going on here? Why are people worried
about jade Helm? And one of the one of the
things that I had to know for in all fairness,
was that it is in theory, for the non crooked ones,
it is a politician's job to represent their voters, their constituency,
not just the companies or the wealthy paying them to,
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you know, jump through political hoops. I said it. I'm sorry,
it's not an opinion, it's a fact, uh that their
job is to represent voters. And so I see absolutely
nothing wrong with if your voters have a concern, even
if you think it's total malarkey. Uh, it's it's sort
of your job to say, Okay, I will at least
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try to find out what's going on for you. Oh
you you know you make a great point there, Ben,
That's a that's really great. I mean, what do you
think that? Because I know that they've probably received some
flak for for uh, I guess what's used? The word
earlier was so good validating? Right, Like, are they validating
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or fanning the fires of of armism and paranoia? Um?
Or are they doing their job? And maybe it's kind
of both. Yeah, it sounds like a little column and
a little column being right. But okay, so what what
exactly are they looking for? What are these rumors in
these allegations? What do you mean when we say take over? Well, yeah,
we we talked about that. The the idea of Texans
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being afraid that the federal government is going to swoop
in with all these agencies and basically negate the rights
constitutional rights that they have as citizens not only of
the United States but also of Texas and um, I
mean kind of almost like a false flag. Red Dawn.
The plot of the movie read Dawn, not the new one,
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not the new one, to see the old one. It's
their Russian forces in the heartland of America. Right, well, yeah,
because okay, just tell me if this is too far
out on the limb. So exactly communist forces. So the idea,
the idea here in a lot of minds, I would say,
is that this um gosh, man, it's so hard to
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to not generalize. I'm just gonna give you my hypoth
hypothetical view of what I think a one person in
Tectist believes is that is that okay, is that too much? Okay,
this communist president that perhaps this person believes in, or
socialist president or let's say Muslim president is going to
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come in here with all his forces and take over
Texas because Texas is one of those last bastions of
true American freedom. That's the idea I can imagine that
if you're especially if we're comparing it to the Red
Dawn plot, the idea that this uh read force or whatever,
this other force is coming in even though it is
an interior shores. Yeah, okay, that you know. I I
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see that there there are some uh as people have proposed,
there are there are some issues with this first at
this point, at this point, at least, there is no
solid proof that we could find that would say this
was occurring. But also, of course yes, for everybody who's
listening now and thinking, uh, well, of course there wouldn't
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be proof if it was supposed it was a real operation.
That is true. That is true. Uh. And we do
know furthermore that military exercises in the past have often
had dual purposes at least that is, uh, foreign operations
and not just from the US, but from Iran, China, UM, NATO,
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multiple European countries, Russia especially and Russia recently. But there
are some problems with this idea too, right, Well, the
first and I think biggest problem, uh, is that everybody
knows about it right now. Well, most people know what
it is and that it's happening. And if anything were
to actually occur where a takeover was going to happen
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or was happening, everybody with their cell phone is going
to be filming it, right if something crazy is going down.
The scary thing is that there will be a vacuum
as this thing is occurring. There will be a vacuum
of not knowing what is exercise. You know, if anything
actually happens while this exercise is going down, that is
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kind of scary to me because how do you how
do you know what is exercise in what is real life?
And that's that's kind of where I think a lot
of these concerns even come from the root. Cause Yeah,
and there there's another idea here, like if it's if
it is massively public, and I love the point you
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bring up about communication there, then then why would it
be massively public if there was this this thing occurring?
And furthermore, if you live in Utah, Colorado, Nevada, California, Arizona,
New Mexico, or Texas and you happen to have a
cell phone handy on you when you see something strange
going down, go ahead and tweet Matt Nolan myself at
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conspiracy stuff, because you do have that power and everyone does.
With a cell phone, everyone can speak to and for now,
at least everyone can speak to the globe or anyone
with an Internet connection semidirectly. Uh. There's another thing here
that kind of bugs me, which is people don't people
who do believe something is going down don't seem to
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agree on what that threat would be. You know, Yeah,
that that is true? Um, I mean is it is it?
That isis? Is gonna do something, or maybe the government
working with isis in a false flag fashion. Um, is
it Russian's arming domestic insurgents? Is that a thing that
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we really need to worry about? Or maybe it's just
the president it making a bid for some kind of
unconstitutional I don't know, a third term. Maybe okay, trying
to pull uh an FDR. Huh maybe, I mean maybe maybe,
I don't know. We do know that, uh, statistically speaking,
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and this is so sad to admit, but statistically speaking, UH,
presidents as a whole have a propensity to uh be
presidents for longer than they're elected. Interesting, I mean, it's true,
not not US presidents. You have US presidents for the
most part, are are are keeping the average and keeping
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the curve going. But we cannot sit here on the
air and pretend like there aren't presidents for life in
multiple situations, sometimes due to a manufactured crisis, sometimes due
to the dubious honor of surviving a coup and coming
down on your population. Again, we're not talking about the
US as far as we know. UM, We're talking more
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about country is like um, like Zimbabwe for instance, and
but uh, again that's the story of another day. I
would love to do something on the I m F
and Zimbabwe please, but now we have to talk about. Uh.
One of the one of the really fascinating parts of
this story, this jade Helm story, because something else happened
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around the time jade Helm was getting public attention, the
Walmart angle. This is really really weird. So Walmart suddenly
and temporarily closed several stores in the area that we're
talking about, apparently due to ongoing plumbing issues, that's what
was heard on the news at least um and consequently
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they had to shut it down to make a large
scale repairs inside these Walmart facilities. Uh. Then you started
to hear people speculating that these stores would either be
internment camps or perhaps food distribution centers, or maybe just
centers to be used in jade Helm in some way. Uh.
Zero Hedge even had a really interesting thought, what if
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Walmart is closing these centers as a reaction to increasing
minimum wage kind of an intimidation tactic. And I say
special interest in that theory because in one of the
stores that closed, I think was in Los Angeles, it's
one of the first places where workers began agitating for
a higher wage or a quote unquote a living wage
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and Walmart closing down, Like Okay, here's the thing. People
who think that there is something rotten afoot in the
in the Jade Helm operation believe that this is a
false flag and that these Walmarts which are being closed
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for a long time seriously, that these might be being
reached for explosives or that they're gonna be you know,
as you said, like internment camps or something. But although
although there's no evidence, of course that people are rigging
up Walmart small things to explode or to become internment
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centers at this point, uh, there are some there are
some weird things. One of those is that there have
been no plumbing repair permits issued or plumbing work you
know of that scale. Yeah, well, allegedly that we know of,
right right, um, at the time of this recording. Yes. Um.
Also this the way they were closed simultaneously is rather
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strange to me. Yeah, if they all have plumbing problems,
but maybe it was just maybe maybe they're all built
with kind of the same plumbing insides, and then they realized,
oh man, these things are gonna explode in like ten days.
We've gotta shut down now. Yeah, they're like a liability
or something. Apparently they did have some of the most uh,
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they had some of the highest reports of plumbing incidents
in the fleet, which I did not know as what
Walmart refers to their stores as fleet. And that's according
to their Oaks people. You can read their copying full online,
but one here's what happened. So apparently, according to the story,
on the day of these things close, Walmart executives higher
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higher level management types go into the stores they're closing,
call an impromptu meeting in the back of the store
and say we're closing tonight, which is which is a
heck of a lot to hear, because I mean, imagine
you're in that situation. You've got a family maybe right,
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you might be working two jobs, right, which is increasingly
in case with a lot of likelihood, and you are
you might have rent do you might have to try
to figure out how you're going to stay afloat you know, well, yeah,
and you're maybe you're the middle manager or something, and
you've got to tell all your people who are coming
in later tonight to stalk that sorry, go no right
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to be here, and all of those people dealing in
that situation and is that really for plumbing. That's a
good question. Yeah, you would as an employee, Oh my gosh,
you need to know this information well, especially with the
the the management often at Walmart, especially on a larger level,
when you look at their supply chain and logistics and stuff,
regardless of how you feel about it personally, and see,
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there's something very clever going on. Uh, they're good at planning.
So if you're really closing for plumbing repairs, you probably
have the planning capability to do a little bit better
than say, oh, dirt, tonight's the night, and then it's
gonna be six months to a year and then we're
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gonna have this thing ready to go, which means it
takes more time to repair the plumbing problems than it
does to build a new Walmart supercenter. Right. Well, that's
that's the accusation. We we don't know where it is.
We found no proof of tunnels at this point or
no no, no proof of like tunnels going beneath the
ground or some of the other allegations. But we can
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say that I don't know, Matt, there's something sketchy about
the closure of those stores. Yeah, I think this right
here is its own thing almost besides jade Helm fifteen.
There's something fishy going on with Walmart in these areas,
regardless of whether they are related or they just happen
at coincide and time. But now this gets us to
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one of the most troubling aspects about jade Helm, which
I think we may have touched on the video. Uh,
the idea that even if this is on the up
and up, even if this is just a military exercise
to train US forces uh to fight. Oh, I should
have said that at the top with that quote that
you w that that abbreviation stands for unconventional warfare, yes,
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and terrain that they're not used to training on. Right, Yeah,
so this this would be UM fighting, like having different
rules of engagement almost uh, and a familiarization that doesn't
really occur in the classroom or on the base. So
the troubling thing about this, even if it is on
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the up and up and is just to train people
and there's nothing um, there's nothing illegal or unconstitutional or
any kind of enfarious plan for the states involved in this,
there is one troubling thing, which is that it is
a military exercise, and we don't hear about military exercises
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as often as we should know, they're like this invisible
news story. So we'd like to talk a little bit
about those and and let you know what these things
actually are. Absolutely so. The first thing is that there
are several different types of military exercises. The first one
is a field exercise, and this is where you are
actually outside somewhere. You're in some kind of theater of training.
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This could be anything from a city city escape to
just in you know, um out in the desert somewhere. Sure,
And this is stuff where you're firing blanks or practicing
some kind of naval maneuver off the coast, let's say,
of another country, or maybe even off your own coast.
In a field military exercise is really just a dress
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rehearsal for actually being in war. You know, that's a
that's an interesting turn of phrase, and I'm glad to
use it. There. There's a there's a second kind, which
occurs more and more frequently now as technology involves, and
that is the simulation, the military simulation. So think of
this as if if a field exercise is dress rehearsal
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for war, then a military simulation is war without the war. Yeah,
I guess because this this goes back to some of
the earliest history of how military exercises. War games began,
because you know, you're looking like you're looking at a
map or you're looking at a model, and you try
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to manipulate these various models through different scenarios to see
what could happen. You sometimes hear these called war games,
and for me, this is really testing the communications of
the different groups that are involved in this kind of thing,
whether or not we can all see the same thing.
And uh, you know, if what you see is to
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be translated as whatever aggression inside this war game, it's
really interesting stuff. Also where it's it's strange because in
many in many ways, it's an attempt of sorts too.
Oh what's the word, man, It's an intempt to quantify
large scale human action, which is a dangerous game, but
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it is. It is definitely that kind of attempt. If
if we modify variable B by twelve percent, what you know,
what shakes out after that and what we learn about
this And don't get me wrong, technologies increasing at a
terrifying rate in terms of intelligence, but the uh, right
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now we slap problems fitting human decisions into those sorts
of boxes. We've made a lot of great strides, like
with game theory and stuff, but we're still kind of guessing.
And there's another type of military exercise too. Oh yeah,
there's a joint exercise. And this is when two separate
militaries or perhaps separate agencies work together and they conduct
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an exercise together. Like let's say the US and the
Republic of Korea come together, that's South Korea and they
do an exercise off the coast, and then North Korea
is like, what are you doing? China as well, probably
China is not especially wild about having about the US
pivot toward Asia. Okay, so we've got those three types.
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We've got joint exercise, simulation in a field exercise. The
reasoning here and there's another time where we have to
use the word official reason here is that this serves
several purposes. We test equipment right, and we perform maintenance
if necessary. So our fifteens or f thirty fives or
are abrams in one's don't just crumble into crock pot
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shards in the middle of an actual war soldier training.
What what are these guys gonna do when when they're
actually in the field. Uh, The idea of these game
planning in these scenarios is that you can maximize effectiveness
while hopefully minimizing casualty or the cost of war, just
in terms of material because I can't be wasting those
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million dollar missiles. Oh yeah, and there was a oh man,
I'm trying to remember this. But but if you're if
you're interested in this kind of stuff about military actions abroad,
this is such a sidebar, Matt, and I'm sorry, but
a long time ago, on one of our other house
to work shows, car stuff the Scott My Coast on
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that show, and I looked at this military plan to
make jet fuel from seawater. I feel like, yeah, yeah,
it popped up on the net awhile back, and we're
reading into it, this this concept, and while we were
reading into it, we learned about the supply chains required
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to sustain vehicles in foreign spheres, Like the cost per
gallon of gas is, uh, think of a number ladies
and gentlemen, and let me assure you it's higher than
that per per gallon because you have to you have
to also factor in the cost of a tanker to
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transport that or a helicopter to fly it out to
an inhospitable region somewhere in Eurasia or something so there
there really is not just like I want to make
sure people understand, it's not just planning to save blood
and treasure. It's planning to not go broke in the process. Yeah, yes, absolutely,
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trying to maximize efficiency in all of these different things, right,
which sounds great on paper, and that's why it's the
official reasoning along with like let's learn how to work
better with other agencies or other governments, you know, but
there is a another purpose, a purpose the bubbles under
the surface of these official declarations. Well, what's going on there? Well,
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I would argue, and we've had a conversation about this
off of Mike about military exercises and how there is
generally there are a couple of things that happen, but
one of them that always happens, or a reason behind
a military exercise is posturing of some sort political maneuvering,
some kind of intimidation. So your enemies or the people
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who may potentially be your enemies see you flex your
muscles and you know, just kind of saying, hey, look out,
this is what we can do. And you see this
in countries across the world. This is by no means
the US only thing. Um. And we see this with
Iran and the US staging war games across the strait
of war moves because of how important that piece of uh, well,
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water and land is, right, Yeah, it's the choke point
for a big part of the world's oil supply, hugely important,
and you just have people staging war games right next
to it, just to go, hey look over here. Yeah,
and Iran still won't play games with the central banks,
so that situation is probably not can be resolved very soon. Ben, what,
that's a whole another dark territory. Now it's okay, you're
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absolutely right, Well, okay, but that's that's a really great
point that because we do see that, uh, we do
see that military exercises, just in the timing and the
location often seem to be acts of political maneuvering or
as you said in intimidation posturing, you can also see
these exercises as some type of alibi for moving assets
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across the globe. So, um, just let's say Russia and
China they are moving their assets to the Mediterranean for
this joint exercise, and now they've got troops and they've
got ships, they're just hanging out that are ready to
go for an exercise though, been right, Yeah, not not
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for real. It's like adding, I'm just saying to a sentence. Yeah,
I'm just saying, we do have a couple ships in
the Mediterranean. Uh yeah, not for real, but I'm just saying, yeah.
So so it's true. That is that is a real story.
Russia and China are strengthening their military ties and they're
conducting exercises, joint military exercises with one another in the Mediterranean.
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This is sticky because China recently acquired its first quote
unquote aircraft carrier. So it's not it's it's a retrofitted
Russian one, right, and the reverse engineer added some some
domestic technology, and now they are coming what's called the
Blue Water Navy, or they have been already. So so
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this could be of concern, especially with if you want
to look at the long con especially with um, the
navigable waterways opening up in the North Pole. Oh wow,
so you can just yeah, Russia is all about it, man,
But let's a whole nother story about you. We're doing
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so many stories, thank you. So the history of this,
the history of these exercises that you often will not
hear about in the news, but have an enormous effect
on the performance of militaries and the actions of nations. Uh.
These stretch back uh centuries. The modern use of military
exercises grew out of this need to study warfare and
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to reenact old battles and try to learn something from them. Right, Yeah,
this was military exercises were away for um, let's say
commanders and the people in charge generals of armies to
play command and conquer before there was command and conquer.
That's a great that's a great comparison. Well, right, because
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you have to see what you need to look at
the past. Let's look at this battle and what what
happened during it. What could we have changed to make
it better for for us? Were worse for them? Um,
And that's really interesting to me. And uh if also
the idea that if you train your troops and discipline
them in a way that they have seen this before,
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This isn't the first time they're being even if it's
virtually shot at inside a trench or something like that,
then they're gonna respond more predictably. There you're gonna have
that muscle memory you're gonna also allow them to You're
going to allow the generals to see what kind of
maneuvers they can or you know, how me say generals,
but the commanders what kind of maneuvers they can send
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down to their troops. That makes it more effective on
on all accounts, right, how to most effectively react to
your opponents maneuvers as well? Yeah, and uh so there's
this old game, this older game that some of our
military members of the audience or maybe veterans have heard
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about before, and probably historians and military historians. It's uh
it's called Kraigspiel Kraigspiel k r i e G S
p i e L. This is a vented in the
early eighteen hundreds. You'll hear numbers from like eighteen ten
to eighteen twelve, but let's call it eighteen eleven. Uh.
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And officers in the Prussian Army love this because they
were able to they were able to use dice to
stand in for the fog of war and the uncertainty,
your lack of information, and people still play this game.
There are two different ways to play it. There's one
of very strict rules. There's one that's called like the
(35:56):
free version, and people are still fans of this aim
you listeners might be familiar with it yourself, But the
point is from that we still have um war games
that are used by twenty one century modern militaries. And
there's a uh, there's an author that you should know
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of called Manuel de Landa who writes extensively about war
games and has has one of our recurring characters pops
up in the history here, and that is the Rand Corporation.
They employed, the employed a fellow named von Newman who
was the brilliant man, the originator of game theory and
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determined a lot of the way the US behaved and
the West during the Cold War. UM, so the nuclear
strategy of the US was in its in its own way,
a kind of military exercise, which is frightening when you
consider that the there were real news. Yeah, they're real nukes,
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and they're sitting in a room just imagining, well, if
if the Soviet Union launches their nuclear missiles at this time,
how much time do we have to react? And just man,
that stuff is terrifying to me. That's why the old
movie war was it war game? Or war games? Is that?
Is that the name of the movie. Maybe a war games.
I think four games. I can't remember if it's single
(37:26):
or plural, but oh man, so great. I have vivid
memories of watching them as a kid and just going cool,
vin yeah, and then what rewatching it later and just
going oh god. I mean, that's the case with a
lot of stuff. Have you ever seen some of those
creepy cartoons we watched kids? Yeah, okay, Yeah, there's a
lot of stuff that I didn't get. It went over
my head. Um. And speaking of stuff that went over
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people's heads. Uh, one thing that one thing that I
didn't register for a long time is that since the
since September eleven, two th one, there has been a
growing distrust of military exercises. And that goes back to Um,
that goes back to some of the stuff you hear
about military exercises being conducted on the day of the
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World Trade Center or the World Trade Center and tragedy. Um.
I'm not too too familiar with this stuff. Well, I
don't want to speak I cannot speak definitively to it.
But there were exercises being taking place on that day,
that morning, and they were eerily similar to what was
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happening in actual world. Um. There's that. Wow. We we
can't even I can't even go into it here because
I'll just sit here in mouth off for like half
an hour. Now, we can't ask listeners to to write
in and let us know what you know about this,
that that might be the best way for us to
start exploring that. Oh that would be great. Please write
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to us about the military exercises that occurred on the
morning of September right. There's another conspiratorial angle here too,
which is that nations might conduct or or inter governmental
alliances like NATO might conduct military exercises for the purpose
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of war mongering, of pushing another nation to respond in
an altercation and thus starting a war. We know that
this has been attempted several times with Iran. But yeah, well,
because then you can claim, oh, well, they hit us first,
right right, And I mean, you know, I'm not in
any way saying Iran is some dudley do right amongst
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nation states, because you know, let's it's not really a
secret that um multiple countries pretty much pay terrorist groups,
and Iran is no exception to that. They pay, They
pay UM, they pay several terrorist groups in the Middle East.
You know, neither the United States does that too, to
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be fair, But is it perspective? Is it a freedom fight?
One man's freedom fighter is another terrorist because as we said,
the m e K is considered a terrorist organization by
Iran but not by the United States. And Iran has
gone so far as to say that the US funds
Emmy King, right right, So, uh, yeah, it depends on
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I guess it has on what side of the battle
you fall on. But both, make no mistake, both sides
of that that altercation are using the same tactics often. Uh.
The conclusion here that we come to, there's a there's
a neat little quote. Um, they just I wanted to
read here regarding Jade Helma Fellow named Barross Ramsey, executive
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editor of the Texas Tribune, said this has become a
news item less because of the reaction to the military
being there than because of the state government's reaction to
that reaction. Yeah, I want, I'm I'm super hesitant sometimes
with um the media when it starts becoming its own story.
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I was talking off air to our buddy Joe McCormick ffore,
we're thinking about this earlier and when one thing that
we have not really done videos on or anything. But listeners,
if you are still with us and checking out the show,
I'm sure you know. I'm sure you'll recognize we're about
to say there's an ongoing pedophile cover up, oh man,
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reaching the top levels of the United Kingdom, and slowly
but surely, people are being turned over to the proletaria
and the quote titian and the average uh non aristocrat
um as they are dead or as they are too
mentally infirmed to have consequences for their horrific actions. Uh.
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This leads people to say that there must be many more,
or there must be some active Uh. I think monsters
is the appropriate word. Uh, not just not being affected
by the laws, but writing the laws. They say, it
goes all the way to Parliament. I don't know, because
the dossier that named all these people was lost. But
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I bring all this up so you guys know that
we're aware of it. But also because uh, there's a
point we need to make here, which I love when
the BBC does this matter and you see other news
organizations do this too. And don't get me wrong, the
BBC has some great coverage, but something like my spider
sense always starts to go off when the story becomes
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about reporting the story instead of about the story itself.
So if the BBC and you guys can note this too, uh,
sometimes you will hear not just on the BBC but
on other channels. May yeah, maybe scene in I definitely
I'm specifically remembering BBC, but sure scene in as well. Um,
the thing will become like the host interviewers asking the
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journalist who is reporting the story, like, so, what would
you say about the process of reporting this story? And
then it becomes about the process that of the journalists,
the professional making the story more so than the story itself.
It's a very clever, subtle kind of conversational jiu jitsu,
you know. Oh yeah, sure, it puts the focus on
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that is interesting. It puts focus directly onto the journalist itself.
And almost it almost to me, wants to make the
act of journalism. It's putting it up a little bit
on a pedestal of saying it, look how difficult it
was to decide what to report about here and how
we went about it, and God knows we we need
to keep journalism alive. Please right, and neither you or
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I and and no either we're We're not a particularly
journalist absolutely. Well, yeah, okay, you're right, but I want
to be but I wholehearted least port journalism, and I
think it does. I think it is a great service
to the global community. But anyway, watch out, ye if
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you want to watch, well, if you want it's true,
where would we be? Absolutely absolutely right. But if you
want to, if you want to, let us know about
deflection tactics, you've seen like that. We we also love
to hear about that. Uh So if we sum up
military exercises in general and find some scary things, well, yeah,
(44:30):
the first thing is that they happen much more than
you hear about them happening. Oh yeah, much more than
you think that they happen, because they have to. Uh.
In theory, you have to be constantly training if you
want anything to improve in from a military perspective. Uh,
they have all kinds of different purposes, not just the
ones that they tell you that therefore right right, And
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maybe the people running the exercises or whomever is in
charge of the official statements and they are we have
to say it, they are necessary. Uh, in there are necessary,
definitely in the minds of the people who are scheduling them,
or or what would you say, would you say waging
a military exercise or would you say producing a military exercise? Yeah,
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I don't know. We are participating in yeah, and military exercise.
That's a good thing. And the most to me, the
most dangerous aspect of this ultimately is this, this can
degenerate into actual warfare. So imagine if imagine if um,
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there's someone who is convinced that jade Helm is the
reckoning that we have heard so many people worn up before,
and that the federal government will come in jack boots
style and take over every town, every municipality in this area,
take away their guns, their right to free travel, which
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is a big thing that a lot of other countries
don't have. And uh, someone being convinced of that attacks. Yeah,
they fire first, They fire first while an exercise is happening, right,
and kind of like what we were talking about earlier, exactly, Yeah, exactly,
And and I don't know, but it's a it's a
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it's a dangerous thing for everyone involved. I used to
I don't know how much you want to get into this,
but but I used to be familiar with UM some
of the companies, and these would be like private companies
that assist in playing war games really Louisiana. Yeah, and uh,
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there will be civilians who are tasked of being role players,
so actors, um, well, definitely they could. They didn't call
them crisis. That's a company. I think that is a
private term for a general thing. Okay, but but again
another thing that we we have to keep hammering homes.
(47:02):
We don't know. We don't know what happens July fifteen
to September. I have not seen and this is just me, guys,
and and please email me if if you have something
that that is to the contrary. But I have not
seen anything yet that says this would be some sort
of takeover. And you know, Alex Jones over at info
(47:23):
wars um originally like they're they're in a fight now
about how the story was told, because now it's about
how the media reported it. And they're saying that they
never called it a government takeover or that it was
going to be an incremental thing. Um. But they they've
been under attack for that, and they're saying that the
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people attacking them made a straw man and put words
in their mouths and then attack them for things they
didn't say. But the truth of the matter is that
despite the fact that I have I have not seen
any evidence that this would be some kind of world
power or Uncle Sam takeover of these seven states. Uh.
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I don't know. I I don't know what will happen
on THEFT. I can say that so many military exercises
take place and have taken place, though not of this size. Uh.
And during those times, they were not treated as the
threat that Jade Helm is being treated as. So everyone
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out there, if you're in a state where this is
taking place, make sure make sure you're streaming video or
posting to live leak or twittering to Ben and I
so we you know, can have an understanding of what's happening. Um,
it would it would be really I would love to
just have that kind of first person perspective. Yeah, and
let us know if you think it's absolute b S two.
(48:50):
I mean, like I I would love to see I
would love to see firsthand accounts. Yeah, I want to
see what it looks like. Although I don't know how
closely they're going to protect the areas where the stuff
is going to take place. Um, but you know everybody's
got cell phone. So and to show you what big
fans we are of listener mail, we are going to
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check some out right now, okay. So Chad e writes
to us and says, hey, Ben and Matt, I've been
listening to and watching the podcast for a long time,
not too long ago, and one of your podcasts you
mentioned the desire to someday visit the utah n s
A data center. We totally want to do that, chat okay,
(49:36):
Chad says. I drive past it every day on my
commute to work. I took a picture the other day.
This is about the closest that the general public is
able to get all five buildings seen in the picture
part of the center where all they're all very drab
cement structures. There are only two roads to access the buildings.
The first is through Camp W. G. Williams, the neighboring
military base uh and north or to the right in
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the included picture. The second an access road that turns
off the main highway. It is marked as a private
drive for employees authorized personnel only. Ever since the data
center has been active, there's been a police car part
on or near the access road seven. It always has
its lights flashing. It's very distracting into my mind, attracts
more attention than necessary to the buildings, especially when a
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little further up the access road is a full blown
security check station. Sorry, the picture isn't better quality. I
took it from the passenger seat while car pooling. There
is no whole lot to see, but there are some
little things that make you wonder when you drive past
those buildings on the hill. Hope you enjoy. Keep up
the good work, chat. It is a great picture, Chad.
Thank you. It's on my desktop right now. Yeah. I
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think at taking pictures so along. I'm always in all
of someone who can do it from a moving vehicle
with what looks like, you know, relatively little time as
you're driving by. We'd absolutely love to see the data center. Um,
I don't know if we get a shot to let
us see it. He did. Yeah, well, let's amend that
we'd like to see inside of it. And uh, I
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don't know. I guess the police the police car makes
sense to me in case something goes and they need
somebody right by the road or repetition in security. That
makes sense. Yeah, it does seem like a strange use
of resources to have the lights on at all times.
And I don't know, it seems like you just construct
a barrier there of some sort or a gait. Yeah, yeah,
(51:27):
maybe you're right. I don't know who knows, who knows
a lot cheaper just to have a patrol car. Oh yeah,
oh yeah, maybe it is. Here's the question, um d
B writes to us to say, what camera do you
film on? Oh? Well, okay, dB um. We usually film
on when you're looking at the vlogs, a Sony e
(51:48):
X one, which is a slightly older camera that we've
had here at how stuff works for a while. It
was the first camera we ever got that records, uh
to solid state media rather than having tape. For a
long time, we used to record on these h well,
I don't even remember HDV, I think is what it
was called. There was another Sony camera that recorded to
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It was almost HD what it was all interlaced. And
I'm sorry if I'm too inside baseball about that stuff.
But this it's the one that Ben and I use
because you can plug his microphone that Ben uses directly
into the camera, rather than having a separate piece of
hardware to record his audio. And uh, that's the way
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we've we've been doing it for a while. Another one
we use is a It is a g H two
and sometimes a g H four and these are Loo
mix cameras and they are They're fantastic visually, but the
audio side it just makes it a little more complicated.
But also my my nickname for the original camera or
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main our main go to camera is Old Faithful because
we also realized this is a little bit sneaky. But
we also realized that if we kept using that camera
and we were the only people who use that camera,
then we wouldn't have to. Um. It's way easier for
us to shoot UM at any time. Yeah. Basically I
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can keep the camera by my side with everything, Ben,
and I will need to shoot guerrilla style at all times,
which makes me very happy. Alright, So thank you for
writing DV. Really appreciate it. Man. That's a. That's a.
That's a great answer to UM. All right, Sue, Well
you want to do one more sure? All right? Ben?
Here is a letter from Brian. Brian writes and says, Hi,
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looking at Google Earth, I became curious about the river
valleys that appear to be well below the current level
of the ocean. I live in the Puget Sound area,
so the coast of Washington State peaks my curiosity. These
anomenalies occur around the world and are not specific to
my location. The question is, if mankind has always lived
close to water, then why are we looking for civilizations
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in the wrong locations. Perhaps we ought to be looking
along prior waterways and along the prior coastlines. I'm attaching
to screenshots, which he did, and it's basically let's see, yeah,
here we go. One is unaltered and the other one
I've traced the route of the Columbia River. Go on
Google Earth and see it for yourself. To my knowledge,
(54:21):
this is not an issue you have covered. The rise
in ocean level might be explained by the star water
hypothesis put forth by suspicious observers on YouTube. That is
not something I am familiar with, the star water hypothesis,
But these Google Earth images are really interesting and I
love that idea that, well, what if the water levels
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are very different from what we are being told ben,
and that's where civilizations used to be. The good thing
is that there is science you can look at with
a lot of this stuff that can kind of demystify
it or maybe even remystify it for you if you've
already thought you had the answer more questions. It is true.
It is true that we have we being the human species,
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not Nold, Matt Scully and I Uh, we have in
the past found entire cities just submerged and forgotten in
the depths. And and I'm not I'm not saying like
an Atlantis thing, but i am saying that. No, I
am saying it actually happens. Though we we did a
great oh man, it's still one of my one of
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my favorites that one of my favorite topics we ever
looked at, Matt was lost civilizations. You know, there's some
real strange stuff there. And one of the spoiler alert,
one of the big conspiracies, if you haven't heard this
episode yet, let me ruin it for you. One of
the big conspiracies about UM South American cities. You always
hear about them being found in the jungle, right or
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or maybe submerged somewhere. That's totally possible. There's this picking,
there's this conspiracy theory or speculation that UH governments are
either completely not in a hurried to find these lost
towns and cities, or if they know about it, they're
working to not have other people know, or to just
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have these remain undiscovered because of the massive cost of
upkeep and reconstruction and protection. Uh So the city or
state or the government is going to have to pay
for all this in some way. And I don't have
any proof of that, but I thought it was so
interesting this idea that there might be a financial incentive
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not to discover the history of the land. You're right, um,
So anyway, you guys, thank you for listening. Matt and
Noel and I are gonna head out. I guess Agent
Scully will just stay here. She always does. I don't
know what. I don't know what she does with her time,
but we're gonna get out of here. We're gonna get
back to work on a couple of top secret projects
(56:53):
and uh some new videos, and to make those new
videos to explore those new stories. We need your help.
So you can write to us on Facebook and Twitter
if you have ideas for a new topic. Yeah, it
doesn't have to be a topic suggestion. You can just
say hi if you want. We're fine with that, um.
And you can send us an email directly. Our addresses
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