November 9, 2025 • 44 mins
In This Hour:
-- Noted writer Richard Mann features 50 rifle cartridges and hunting stories in his latest book.
-- "Give him the rifle." He did that after thinking that's what his late wife would have said.
-- Security cameras, dash cams, gun gear, and other Black Friday deals.
Gun Talk 11.09.25 Hour 2
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-- Noted writer Richard Mann features 50 rifle cartridges and hunting stories in his latest book.
-- "Give him the rifle." He did that after thinking that's what his late wife would have said.
-- Security cameras, dash cams, gun gear, and other Black Friday deals.
Gun Talk 11.09.25 Hour 2
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Speaker 3 (00:27):
Welcome back to gun Talk, Tom Gresham here if you
want to call me, no, it's easy eight six to
six Talk Gun or Tom Talkgun.
Speaker 4 (00:33):
That'll get you in here. You know how much I
like rifles.
Speaker 3 (00:36):
I'm just kind of as our friend John Barsness calls
a rifle loony. And one of the guys who writes
a lot about rifles and really knows a lot about him.
Speaker 4 (00:44):
Is Richard Man.
Speaker 3 (00:45):
And he he's got a brand new book out that
talk about appealing to me. Rifle Cartridges for the Hunter,
a hunting journal spinning a half century were joined right
now by Richard Mann. Of course, Richard, you're right for
practically everybody. It seems like everywhere there's your writing.
Speaker 5 (01:01):
Well, I have written for just about everybody, mostly now
field and stream gun digests and the NRA.
Speaker 3 (01:08):
All right, so why don't you get folks just a
little bit about your background because I and I have
said before, I think that you are one of the
pre eminent writers about hunting and rifle cartridges and other
gun stuff as well. But you know, that's kind of
the area that we're talking about. But your background is
what you've been, law enforcement, You've been You've done a
(01:28):
lot of different things.
Speaker 5 (01:29):
Yeah, I mean, I guess the funny. You know, everybody
says I've been hunting all my life since I was little,
and I can actually say I was hunting before I
was born. My mom was out hunting the fall I
was born in January. She was out hunting that fall.
So I'm marked from birth.
Speaker 4 (01:45):
That's great.
Speaker 5 (01:46):
All I ever wanted to do. I went into the
military and the National Guard, and then I went active duty,
and then I got out and worked as a police
officer for thirteen years and a special agent, and finally
I started writing, and apparently a couple of people like that.
Then it just grew and hung up the badge and
that's all I've done for the last quarter century now.
Speaker 3 (02:05):
Well, and part of the deal and that kind of
explaining is going to go right to the new book.
Part of the deal of being a gun writer hunting
writer is you get invited on a lot of hunts,
and maybe more than you can actually do.
Speaker 4 (02:16):
But you've been hunting.
Speaker 3 (02:17):
All over the world for a couple of decades, now
used in different guns, different rifles, different cartridges, and you
put all that together in this crazy book, Rifle Cartridges
for the hunter. It's a rundown. I'm looking at it
right now, to rundown of rifle cartridges. But more than
you know. You can look that stuff up online. But
what you've got is a combination of hunting stories, real
(02:39):
world how does us stuff work? And information about the
rifles and the cartridges.
Speaker 2 (02:45):
You know.
Speaker 5 (02:45):
One of the things that inspired me was like the
old nozzle reloading God where they'd have cartridge introductions and
different people that have had experience with this those cartridges
would tell stories about them. But like you said, you
can get ballistics and all that stuff online. You don't
need me to tell you the muzzlevelocity of a seven
milimeter PRC that anybody can see that. What I wanted
(03:07):
to do was kind of tell campfire stories. You know,
this is what I did in this place with this
rifle one time, and this is what happened, good or bad.
Speaker 3 (03:14):
Well, and it's normally you'd say, well, why do I
want to read that? I would tell people the reason
you want to read this because you're a really good
writer and you have a way of putting it all
together and saying, Okay, let's talk about the six or
five creed more, the cartridge, the bullets and what it
does and how I used it, and yeah, here's who
we were with, and this is what we did, and
(03:34):
we you know, we used it on deer, we used
it on kyo, so we did all this other stuff.
And people go, oh, okay, I get that. That's it's
more of a complete package.
Speaker 5 (03:42):
Yeah, I mean, and that's what you want to know.
You know, how how many hunters have heard about a
new cartridge and they called their buddy up say hey,
you know anything about this and he said, yeah, I
used the one last year and shot an elk or
shot a white tail or something. And I mean that's
the kind of information that people really want. You know.
The ballistics, they're ballistics, and they're kind of boring. You
can brag about an extra fifty feet per second but
(04:05):
what happened in the real world, you know, did you
use this thing and at work or what happened? And
that's kind of, you know, provide a little entertainment, you know.
But people love hunting stories. That's what anytime you're around
a campfire, what are you talking about? You're talking about
hunting stories.
Speaker 4 (04:20):
Yeah, oh, exactly right. All right.
Speaker 3 (04:22):
So the book is called Rifle Cartridges for the Hunter
by Richard Manns, available on Amazon, and you get up there.
So takeaways from all this these hunts all over the
world doing all this stuff and comparing I mean a
lot of these carts are so close together you can't
really put a playing card between them.
Speaker 4 (04:39):
They're that tightly packed. Ultimately, does it really.
Speaker 5 (04:42):
Matter, Tom, You've got to be able to shoot?
Speaker 4 (04:46):
Oh wow, that now you're going to make it hard.
Speaker 5 (04:51):
I mean, I would say seventy five percent of the
hunts I've done worldwide for big game and predators environments,
I could have done them all with a thirty Winchester.
That's just the fact.
Speaker 3 (05:02):
So what you're telling me is like I've told people,
I said, win in down, get a two seventy and.
Speaker 4 (05:07):
Don't look back.
Speaker 5 (05:09):
Yeah, A custom rifle maker friend of mine used to say,
load partitions, shut up and go hunting, you know, when
people were wondering about what's the best bullet, he said,
just load a partition and forget about it. Yeah, honestly,
I mean that's what it comes down to, the shot placement.
Speaker 4 (05:24):
It really does.
Speaker 3 (05:25):
You're really better off, aren't you spending most of your
time working on becoming a better shot. And that means
offhand and from sitting and from with sticks and actually
going out and shooting, getting off the bench.
Speaker 5 (05:39):
Yeah, but there's a cabot to that. You need to
have a rifle you like or you won't want to
shoot it, and you need to have a cartridge you
like or you won't want to shoot it. You know.
Melvin Forbes used to build custom guns for everybody, and
he said the ultimate question was, well, what cartridge should
I get it chambered for? And Melvin would he never
would tell him what to get a chambered for, but
(06:01):
he would talk to him about their hunting experiences and
likes and dislikes and kind of guide them to the
answer that they want. But you know, the cartridge we
choose to hunt with is our way of customizing our
hunting experience. You know, everybody in the world's got a
Remyiton seven hundred and they're all basically the same, but
we get to pick the cartridge we put in it.
(06:22):
It's it's like, you know, when we were young, you'd
put chrome wheels on your car, you know, so when
you drove into the high school parking lot, you get
that extra look. And that's really what it's about. You know,
what's the difference in a two seventy in a two eighty.
There's no difference. No, there's nobody, there's no animal in
the world can tell the difference. But you can, and
it gives you something. You can argue about those extra
(06:43):
ten feet per second at the campfire, and how much
better the two seventy is than a two eighty. Honestly,
there's not much difference at all. But it gives us
a mechanism to personalize our hunting experience and like what
we're hunting with.
Speaker 4 (06:56):
And that's important, it really is.
Speaker 3 (06:58):
We've got a lot of choices now, and the quality
of the rifles is better, I mean, out of the box.
We expect them to shoot really well, whereas I mean, honestly,
thirty forty years ago, if you had a rifle shot
two inches out of the box. That was pretty good.
I mean, now you'd send it back, how do you?
Because you had to use all the gear. I mean
you used everything. When you're going on your own hunt,
(07:20):
Richard Man's going hunting, He's going to pick up his
own rifle.
Speaker 4 (07:23):
What do you pick up? What do you hunt with?
Speaker 5 (07:26):
If I have a Choice Center rifle, it's probably going
to be one of the new Ultra Light Arms rifles,
either an original that Melvin Forbes built or one of
the new ones from Wilson Combat. I dis liked the rifle,
or like the history of it. I like the fact
that I was very good friends with the man that
designed it. Makes me it's kind of like hunting with
dad's rifle. You know. Sometimes I take my dad's old
(07:46):
dear rifle and as far as the cartridge goes. I
don't like getting kicked. I mean, I'm six foot, two
hundred pounds. I wrestled in high school. I was in
the military, I was a cop. I still don't like
getting kicked. I don't take cartridges that abuse me for
no reason. Like my most used deer hunting rifle is
(08:07):
a new Ultra Light Arms Model twenty s and thirty Remyton.
They are Ballistically, it's a three hundred savage, which is
all in the world you need to kill any white tail, right.
That's that's the rifle I pick. And then I'm like
other people. I've got connections to cartridges. I love the
thirty five Remington, and modern shooters would look at it
(08:28):
and say, man, that thing's antiquated. It is, But if
you put it in a nice little lever gun and
anywhere in the East you're hunting white tails, you're as
well armed as anybody else out there.
Speaker 3 (08:38):
Well, you talk about not getting kicked and recoil being
a factor. I really believe that if you start reducing
the recoil of the rifle, Cartris combination whatever, people shoot
better and they actually kill more animals. Is because she'm
in the right place.
Speaker 5 (08:55):
Hey, that you just described the six y five creed More.
Speaker 4 (08:57):
That's it, isn't it.
Speaker 5 (08:59):
Yeah? I mean, do you know the three oh eight
out the five maybe even eight hundred yards long distance shooting?
The three o eighths just as good. You can shoot
just as well with it. The six y five creed
More kicks a lot less. And if you're shooting fifty
rounds a day from a shooting bench or in some
sort of competition. You do that with a three oh eight,
(09:20):
you're gonna feel it. I don't care how much though
you think you are one hundred rounds out of a
threeh eight Winchester. You're gonna fell it at the end
of the day, and you're also gonna fill it halfway
through the day, and that's going to maybe make you
just put a little extra tug on it. That's why
the six y five creed More, you know, all its
ballistics are amazing, and they are they're great ballistics. But
(09:40):
it don't kick, and people love to shoot it, and
it's comfortable and it's fun. And the hell, after all
all this hunting and shooting, it's mostly all about fun anyway,
right now.
Speaker 4 (09:49):
If you're not having fun, why do it in the
first place?
Speaker 5 (09:51):
Right I mean, if you if you really was mad
enough at stuff and you really wanted to kill it bad,
you know, or sixteen Remington Magnum work on white tails
too well.
Speaker 3 (10:02):
I gotta tell you, I've used a three thirty eight
win mag on a white tail deer at ten yards
and it works.
Speaker 4 (10:09):
It's yeah, it'll work.
Speaker 5 (10:11):
But you knew it when it went off.
Speaker 4 (10:13):
Yeah yeah.
Speaker 3 (10:13):
I mean, I'm goofy enough to have used that same
three thirty eight win mag on a desert big horn
at three hundred and fifty yards and elk at three
hundred yards and a little bit of white tail at
ten yards. And that's just goofy. I mean, that's the
kind of goofy stuff we do. But I'm with you.
I'm going to light recoil the lighter you go up
to a certain point. But honestly, anything over about two
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forty three, all the twenty fives are great, and you're
gonna kill all the deer. And when you once you
hit maybe twenty five to twenty six caliber or six
five preed more you're in the elk country.
Speaker 4 (10:44):
That works just fine.
Speaker 5 (10:45):
Yeah yeah. And you know, one of the reasons I
think the thirty on six has gained so much fame
and popularity, it's about it the upper recoil limits people
can comfortably tolerate, and any when you when three hundred
win mags, three thirty eight win mag, when you start
getting up in those recol levels, fun disappears. I mean, yep.
(11:07):
It's kind of like my story about the forty four magnum.
You know, everybody wants a forty four magnum revolver, and
they get one and they shoot it, and then about
a half a box shells later they sell it because
they realize they just think the kind of man they
thought they were. You know how many times has you
seen a forty four magnum revolver for selling it? It
says it comes with a half a box of ammo exactly.
Speaker 4 (11:27):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (11:27):
I mean it's great to have and not much fun
to shoot, you know. And if you really want to
go have fun, get your three fifty seven and shoot
thirty eight's out of it.
Speaker 4 (11:35):
There you go, there, it is all right.
Speaker 3 (11:37):
The book is titled Rifle Cartridges for the Hunter, A
Hunting Journal Spanning a half Century, by Richard Mann Availble
on Amazon.
Speaker 4 (11:44):
Richard, great job.
Speaker 5 (11:45):
I love the book, Ben, Thanks sim I really appreciate it.
Speaker 4 (11:48):
All right.
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You appreciate you being here. Hey, don't go far. We'll
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Speaker 5 (14:01):
Hey, that's shiny durry from Derry's Guns. Welcome back to
gun talk.
Speaker 3 (14:08):
Speaking of Johnny, just got a picture from him yesterday,
day before I do yesterday. His mom just took a
really big Texas whitetail.
Speaker 4 (14:20):
Seven and a half year old.
Speaker 3 (14:21):
White tail is definitely over the peak, going on the
downhill side lots of times, eighty year old mother. Good
for you, ware to go, Miss Drry appreciate the picture, Johnny.
He said, Oh, Ben, it says hot hot down there
in South Texas. Right now, you're gonna be hit ninety five.
He said, we were gonna go out, He said, we're
(14:42):
not hunting those blinds. In the afternoon, We're gonna be
watching football games. He's an A and M fan. I
won't hold that against him. It's okay, I never hear
it's eighty six to six talk gun.
Speaker 4 (14:52):
Let's see.
Speaker 3 (14:52):
Charlie called down out of Kusbay, Oregon. Hey Charlie, you're
on gun talk. Which are you mine?
Speaker 10 (14:57):
Well? I to you really just sleep. But I have
never heard you talk about air rifles.
Speaker 3 (15:09):
Oh, we do occasionally, not, not very often. We do occasionally.
The air rifles we have now are not like the
daisies of you.
Speaker 4 (15:19):
Know, decades ago. They're a whole different level of both
power and accuracy.
Speaker 10 (15:25):
Back in the sixties when I was in the army
in Germany, uh, I shot in a competition with a
German air rifle club. Okay, Germans were not allowed to
own firearms except for air rifles.
Speaker 5 (15:48):
Ah, Okay, damn.
Speaker 10 (15:50):
Most people were good.
Speaker 4 (15:55):
Yeah, and the.
Speaker 3 (15:56):
Rifles are super accurate. But yeah, the Germans can shoot.
I mean the they were despite what the shows in
the movies.
Speaker 4 (16:02):
They were very good shots. In World War Two as.
Speaker 10 (16:04):
Well, were extremely good and espectifully the Russians and many
of their snipers were women.
Speaker 4 (16:18):
Yes, they were a lot of people don't know that.
So are you looking? Are you?
Speaker 3 (16:22):
Are you looking to get into airguns? Are you looking
for one?
Speaker 10 (16:26):
I live in a town which is not firearm friendly,
but my shop is large enough that I can shoot
about forty feet.
Speaker 4 (16:44):
Oh okay, that'll work.
Speaker 3 (16:49):
Here's a question for you, because I'm looking right now.
The place I would send you to look for an
air gun would be Pyramid Air. It's like with two wives,
p y r Amydpyramidair dot com and they've got guns
beyond one thousand dollars. It's crazy what you can spend
on the air gun. But you could absolutely find what
(17:10):
you're looking for there.
Speaker 10 (17:11):
Oh like, I don't like bake burrow air raffles. I
like side lover guns.
Speaker 4 (17:20):
Okay, you know what I would do.
Speaker 3 (17:24):
I would contact Pyramid Air and talk to somebody there
and say, look, this is what I'm looking for. I'm
looking for a side lever gun. I want one that's accurate.
Describe what you want, what you're willing to pay, and
guarantee you they will have it or can find it
for you.
Speaker 10 (17:38):
Well, I have this other problem that I would like
to tell you about. I have a whole bunch of
turkeys that come through my yard and show me absolutely
no respect.
Speaker 4 (17:56):
Yeah, they don't do that, there's just no care.
Speaker 10 (18:05):
I would truly love to have dinner.
Speaker 3 (18:10):
Well, you know what, and if you're a good shot
and you got an air gun, you can make that happen. Now,
I'm not going to even address local laws and seasons
and everything else, and shooting in town. That's your gig.
I'm not gonna worry about that one. I got to
run here. I appreciate the call, but yeah, Pyramid Air
p y r a m yd Pyramid air dot com.
(18:30):
They got everything from really inexpensive to a let's say
over one thousand dollars per an air gun, including air guns.
People may not know that you can hunt with dear
hont elk. I mean they're crazy powerful. Shoot charge them
up to I think like forty five hundred PSI. It's
pretty nuts what they will go to. Forty No, no,
(18:52):
not forty five thousand, No, forty five hundred so PSI
rather doubt it be forty five for a dear gun.
But we're going check o it. Jim and I are
having the conversation here, sir. He's gonna look it up
and tell me that I'm wrong, so we'll figure it out.
But then he's gonna look it up and find out
that was right. Let me find this, I want to read. Yeah,
(19:13):
I got time for this. I want to read this
to you to do. This is something I put over
on X I got an email from a listener and
I want to share it with you. I call it
just give him the rifle and so I'm just gonna
read it as it came to me, and it a
little bit long. Hang in there with me. I think
you'll enjoy it, he says. Quick story, which was prompted
(19:36):
by the third hour comment. You made something to the
fact that you said, try and do something nice for
someone each day. Well, yesterday I gave a hungry guy
five dollars to get a breakfast sandwich at Dunk and Donuts,
he says.
Speaker 4 (19:48):
Okay, but that's not it though.
Speaker 3 (19:51):
He says, I purchased about fifteen to twenty new guns
this year. One was, of course, the g T thirty
and two two three, five, five six head.
Speaker 4 (20:00):
I love it. The Balance of.
Speaker 3 (20:01):
The fire from my local store in Lakeland, Florida's where
he got him.
Speaker 4 (20:05):
He says.
Speaker 3 (20:06):
There's a guy there that always helps me make the
choices and keeps me up to speed with new firearms
and some old ones they have. I told him that
I was not using one of my rifles that he recommended.
A week or two later, he asked if I wanted
to sell it. We agreed on three hundred dollars, but
that was not my goal, he says. My goal was
(20:28):
to buy him a gun for Christmas. Because this came
up and he gave me the first installment of fifty dollars, says, yeah,
I agreed.
Speaker 4 (20:36):
To let him pay it out.
Speaker 3 (20:37):
I decided that the balance would not be necessary my
next visit to the store when I gave him the rifle,
he says, I told him that the fifty dollars would
go toward a few extra magazines I gave him to
go with the rifle, and the balance that was owed
was now his early Christmas present. For all the time
he spent with me through the years. He's not a
(20:59):
wealthy guy and always told me which guns he would
like to buy if he had the money. Bottom line,
he says, is you are correct do something nice each day.
It's good for the person you helped and good for
your soul.
Speaker 4 (21:13):
He says.
Speaker 3 (21:13):
My wife liked this guy a lot when he helped us.
She would always slip him a twenty dollars bill she
passed away eleven months ago, and I know that she
would have said give him the rifle. He would appreciate it.
Keep up the good work, Tom, God bless you and
your family and all the gun talk to him and listeners. Well,
(21:35):
there you go. Thank you, Richard. I appreciate that. Appreciate you.
Let me share that just finding an opening, finding a
small thing that you can do help somebody each day.
Not trying to sound pollyannious about things, but what I
(21:56):
found is that when you look for something like that,
it's amazing how many opportunities there are to do something
for someone.
Speaker 4 (22:06):
Someone you know, some of you don't know. I don't know.
Speaker 3 (22:09):
Somebody said yes that I had a dead battery, and
a young man offered to help. And he went into
the store and bought a set of jumper cables that
came out and jumped my car. Never forget it. Amazing stuff.
You can make a difference in people's lives sometimes with
just a very small gesture.
Speaker 4 (22:28):
We'll be right back with gun.
Speaker 3 (22:36):
Well, first off, a big old two hundred and fiftieth
birthday to the United States Marine Corps. Wow, they the
Marine Corps started before the founding of this country. Amazing stuff. Also,
of course this week we have Veterans Day coming up
on Tuesday. A big old thanks to everybody who served
(22:56):
and is serving. I'm pretty hard to actually for us
to significant sufficiently express our gratitude for those who volunteered
to go out there and put their lives on the
line to protect the rest of us. So a big
thanks to all of you. I want to fill in
(23:20):
the blank on one thing. I just had an email
from somebody who said, hey, Tom, be sure to tell
people on that situation where the guy shot through the
door and killed the cleaning lady who was at the
wrong house and her keys won't fit in the door,
can't unlock the door, guy shoots through the door, says remember,
tell people this was Britain broad daylight. This was like
in the middle of the night when you're afraid of
(23:40):
what's going on. Who is out there? This is not
a difficult thing to figure out who's out there? And
people say, well, what if you don't have a blank camera? Okay, great,
you yell who is that? Who are you?
Speaker 4 (23:53):
What do you want? Could I also offer that.
Speaker 3 (23:59):
Maybe if you are financially able, you get a camera
so you can know who's out there. So maybe you
can talk to who's out there? Hi, Can I help you?
What's going on? Wouldn't that be better than shooting somebody
and killing them wrong person? Someone who's not a threat.
(24:23):
I mean, what's the hundred bucks something on that? Or
but by the way, if you're interested in that, or
appracticate anything else. The Black Friday sales have started already,
and they're gonna be blink cameras and green cameras and
all sorts of security things. Everything's going to go up
(24:45):
for sale. The economy has been a bit flat, and
in the firearms world, sales have really been flat. And
there are a lot of companies that are going to
be trying to move a lot of things. You should
if you are interested. Who's going to say you should,
But only if you're interested. Obviously, get on the email
list of a lot of these outlets. Palmetter State Armory, CDNNN.
(25:08):
There's a bunch of them that are kind of the
outlets for gun companies. People who say, Okay, we have
a bunch of guns here we need to move, call
CDNN and they'll move them for us. You know, we've
got ten thousand magazines we need to move.
Speaker 4 (25:24):
Just move them.
Speaker 3 (25:25):
Out, get them out here, and you're gonna be able
to buy stuff at half price. It's really amazing the
Black Friday deals. In fact, let's let me ask this.
Are you seeing anything already in the way of Black
Friday deals out there that you feel like you ought
to share, because this is a good place to do it.
Give me a call, let me know what you're seeing
and where and that type of thing. I just stumbled
(25:48):
on one. And you know, there are some deals you think, yeah,
I don't need that, but I'm gonna buy it because
how could I pass it up?
Speaker 4 (25:54):
And I was it a minus.
Speaker 3 (25:58):
Twenty degree sleeping bag as seventy five percent off regularly
like two hundred and fifty bucks and sixty dollars, And yeah,
I got to have that.
Speaker 4 (26:09):
Do I need another sleeping bag? Of course not.
Speaker 3 (26:12):
But when it gets really cold, my trick what I
do is I put one sleeping bag in side of
the other when it's like ten degrees out there, and
it feels pretty good to have a double sleeping bag.
And if they say, well this is a minus twenty yeah,
sure we'll get that. Why not, We'll do that. And
it was the Funnies steal, of course, this is my
self enable, you know. And they said, well it's got
(26:36):
what was it like, twenty twenty five dollars shipping charge?
I said, well, but if you bump up your sales
you're purchased to over one hundred dollars, you get free shipping.
I went, huh, well, look you're there. They got a
coal steel knife for nineteen dollars and that'll put me over.
So basically it was a free knife at that point.
(26:57):
That's the way I shop. So what are you seeing
in tern the Black Friday deals? Because they've started already?
Of course, what are the deals you're seeing and where
are they? And are you buying these days? Love to
get that Intel Friday because I just a lot of
stuff out there. I am. I just picked up a
thousand rounds to forty five ECP. Why would I do that? Well,
(27:21):
because I'm having a custom nineteen eleven maid. I'm past seventy.
I've never had a full custom pistol made, and I
decided to do it. I got together with Bill Offridge
over at Silver Slide when I stopped in to see
him a couple of months ago, and I thought, you know,
(27:43):
I know that he's going to sell the business or
close it down at some point and he won't be
able to get those anymore. Wouldn't it be cool to
have one of his pistols? I mean, they're iconic. And
after some figuring out, said, well, I could sell two
or three four guns and I could buy that. Let's
(28:04):
get rid of some stuff you're not shooting and get
one that you used to really happy with. So it'll
be in another month or two or three, who knows,
you know what. It's one of those deals. It'll get
here when it gets here. But in the meantime, I'm
buying some animal for it. And now I'm shopping for holsters. Yes,
I have other nineteen eleven holsters, but I feel as though,
and I would love to get some input on this,
(28:26):
I feel as though a custom nineteen eleven deserves a
good leather holster. I don't think I put this in
a Kydex holster. Just doesn't seem like the thing to do.
If you have a thought on that or a take,
I would love to know about it. And also what
are you finding out there in the way of the
good deals share? We all want to know about those.
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to be AI, Artificial intelligence, Amazon, faed X, GPS companies
left and right saying we're going to be furloughing or
letting go tens of thousands of people with AI taking
(31:44):
up the jobs. And yet as I follow the stories
about courtrooms and court cases and judges and lawyers using AI,
they're starting to get in trouble. The lawyers are from
the judges who are saying your brief cited cases. Your
(32:08):
brief that used AI to write the brief cited cases
that don't exist. There's no such case, much less a precedent,
and you're including any of your brief. What's going on here, Well,
AI is it's not even that it's not perfect, it's
(32:29):
that it makes up stuff. It makes up cases that
don't exist, It makes up quotes that were never said.
And the question is, how would you know? We ran
into that with one of ours, Mark Walters, of course,
(32:51):
as the host of Armed American Radio. And oh gosh,
this was a couple of years ago, I guess now.
Mark ended up suing the chat GBT people because somebody
used AI to look up Second Amendment Foundation and Mark
(33:11):
and AI came back and said Mark had been fired,
been arrested for misuse of funds because he was the
treasurer of the Second Amendment Foundation and misused the funds,
and went on and on the Only problem was Mark
(33:32):
had never been the treasurer of the Second Moment Foundation.
He had never been fired, he had never been charged
with a crime, he had never been charged with misuse
of funds.
Speaker 4 (33:42):
It was all a lie. And yet that information is
still out there. HM.
Speaker 3 (33:52):
And yes, it's that there's no stopping it. AI is
the next industrial revolution and tens of thousands, hundreds of thousands,
maybe millions of people are going to lose their jobs,
have to find another way to make a living, going
to be replaced by AI. There is a form of
tyranny when it comes to online stuff. Two stories pop up.
(34:16):
One that affects us directly at gun Talk. One is
that last week saw the story that one of the
cryptocurrency companies, very deep in their documentation that regulates what
you're regulated by when you use their service, it said
(34:36):
you can't use their financial services, their cryptocurrency to buy
any type of weapon, gun, knife, et cetera. That's the
kind of things that financial companies have been doing for
years and saying you can't use our credit card, you
can't use our bank, or if you're a company in
(34:59):
the business, we're just going to close down your account,
which they've done many many times. And now, of course
we have new legislation that says you can't do that. Well,
the NRA found out about it once again in RA,
still doing good things out there, went to the company.
They went oops, yeah, I don't know how they got
(35:20):
in there, don't know who put it in. Yeah, they do,
they do, but that's okay. They took it out. And
then last was last week we had the guns dot
com people on and did the interview with them, and
we did it through a video hook up and then
we put that on YouTube. Well, of course, at gun
(35:44):
Talk we have thousands of videos on YouTube. We have
whole TV series that run on YouTube. Well, for the
first time ever in our history, we got a strike
against us. And if you're in this world, you know
that a strike is a big deal. That's a really
(36:05):
big deal. Because you get three strikes, they close down
your YouTube channel and you're gone. You just simply disappear.
Why do we get a strike against us because we
said the name of the company guns dot com. That's
the name of the company. Well, their policy at YouTube
is you cannot give out a website. You can't link
(36:29):
to a website, can't mention a website where they sell guns.
I mean, YouTube is the second largest search engine and
I'm told now that more than half of YouTube users
don't use the app.
Speaker 4 (36:47):
They're actually using their TV. Now you've got YouTube.
Speaker 3 (36:50):
Channel on your TV, but YouTube's policy is you can't
put anything on there that links to or mentions a
website that sells guns. And of course this company's name,
the name of the company is guns dot com, which
of course is also the website. So what's it going
(37:14):
to mean for us or I don't know. We're going
to take it up with YouTube, but it probably won't
be able to get anywhere with it because they don't care.
And now what they're doing, and this has happened to
us over the last few months, they're going back and
looking at old videos. I'm talking ten years, fifteen years back,
and they're removing a couple of our videos a day
(37:34):
now because I say, yeah, that's not allowed, that's not allowed.
Oh you mentioned this gun thing. You mentioned that gun thing.
That's not allowed. So I don't know how long we are.
All the other gun tubers are going to be around
in terms of being on YouTube, and maybe there's another platform.
Speaker 4 (37:53):
Maybe we create our own.
Speaker 3 (37:54):
Actually I guess I can talk about this. It's been
in the works for a while. We are creating our
own we're creating our own network TV network, gun Centric
TV Network, and it probably will be a month or
two before we able to give out the announcement, but
we're talking to people in the industry about it, so
(38:16):
the information is out. It's not like it's not known.
I'll have more details about that. We'll get Ryan on
here to talk about it at some point. But we
have figured out that we have to be in charge
of our own destiny, which means you have to be
in charge of your own distribution methods, because if the
distribution method you're using closes down, how do you get
things out?
Speaker 4 (38:36):
It's like saying, we.
Speaker 3 (38:37):
Know, we make a product and UPS delivers it and
now UPS to say, we're not going to deliver it anymore.
Speaker 4 (38:42):
How are you going to get it out there? That's
a problem.
Speaker 3 (38:46):
So as part of this ongoing online thing, AI is
a part of it, with all the lives it's doing.
The different websites that are anti gun and take a
strong anti gun bent. At a certain point, do they
become not just private companies, but somehow bigger than that
(39:06):
and worthy of regulation where we can say, yeah, you
can't discriminate against gun owners and gun companies. Don't know,
but it's something we'll talk about at some point eight
six' six talk. Gun let's, say first of, all thank,
You tom for calling in out of far. Ago he
(39:29):
reminds us that you ought to consider getting the webcams
for your. Car if you have dash cams on your,
car should you be a victim of road, rage you
can have evidence of. That it's really hard to prove
road rage you are attacked if you don't have, those
so dash. Cams there you. Go there's Your Black friday.
(39:50):
DEALS i guarantee you there will be a bunch of
those out. There SO i think that's a really good.
Idea Thanks, TOM i appreciate. That all, right let's go line.
Too joe's with us out Of New, Jerry, joe what's
on your minds?
Speaker 4 (40:01):
There?
Speaker 13 (40:02):
Tom two? Quick two things. Quick the first one really.
Quick you asked about. DEALS i see the price of
nine Millimeters ammo coming down four months. AGO i always
buy a thousand rounds at a. Time four months AGO
i was paying twenty six cents around before, freight and
now it's down a twenty one cents. Around brass new
Brass ammo Like blazer brass Case. Amo that's a that's
(40:22):
a twenty percent drop in four. Months went from twenty
six cents around to twenty one cents. Around SO i.
Speaker 3 (40:29):
Love, it you, Know and the thing is a shot
round carefully because sometimes you can get free shipping and
that adds up in a.
Speaker 13 (40:35):
Hurry it does. Too, yeah sometimes you order more than
something like with your night, deal you order so much
get free, shipping but without shipping it's gone from twenty
to twenty six to twenty, one which is a twenty percent.
Drop the other, thing, Though, TOM i want to give
your range report on speedloaders for pistol. Magazines you Know
i've been. Using you, Know i've got the long one
with the. FINGER i think it's THE. Etx you do
ten rounds in the finger and you put ten rounds into.
(40:56):
Once and the one you see hanging in the uh
in all the all the gun, RANGES i think they
call it the mag lula where you squeeze and pressed
down and you, know and that's kind of. WELL i
saw this one Called the only TROUBLE i had with
the maglulah is that you have to press. Down, well
your mag has an angled base, plate so you're mag
is angled and you've got to push. Down it was
(41:19):
always kind of awkward because you got to push straight
down on an angled. Mag, WELL i saw this thing
called A ludex L u d E x and it
was half the price my. Ball it said for, glock
and you know for. Glockmags WELL i tried. IT i got,
one AND i had a. Glockmag but THEN i tried
on my. SIGs i tried my h AND, K i
tried in my bread. A. Tom it works like a
dream on all of. Them and it's the exact opposite
(41:41):
of The. Maglulah instead of having the mag straight, up
you put the open mouth of the mac down inside
this gizmo which sits on the, table and then you
drop your m o in one one round of, time
and then you just push your mag down and there's
a little elf down in the. Bottom apparently that puts
that round right in the mouth of your. Mag i'm an,
(42:04):
ENGINEER i have no idea how this thing. Works but
you put the, maget you put the mag in upside,
down you put the round in pushed, down put the
next round push, down pushed. In, tom you can you
can put ten rounds in a mag in eight. Seconds
it's just. Incredible and if you want, to if you want, to,
look you got a. Computer but it says for, glock But,
tom it.
Speaker 3 (42:24):
Work look at, actually and they've got him On Amazon
blue deck the loaders On.
Speaker 13 (42:28):
Amazon, huh and it, worked it says for glot and
it even has glocks stamped on the side of. It But,
tom it works on every double stack MAG i.
Speaker 3 (42:36):
Have so, yeah that's a great razor for. IT i appreciate.
That look and, look thank you so much for. CALLING
i appreciate. THAT i do want to get this. In
michelle is reminding. Me she, Says, look also tell people
if you're Buying ammo and all the rest of.
Speaker 4 (42:51):
The stuff by, locally if at all.
Speaker 3 (42:54):
Possible you, know if you're saying was shipping shipping is
going to be, x, well you know, what add that
on and that could even out.
Speaker 4 (43:01):
What it costs you to buy.
Speaker 3 (43:02):
Locally if you buy from your local gun, store it
helps them stay in. Business and next time you need
something at a gun, store you don't roll up and go.
Out they've gone out of, business they closed their. Doors
wonder why that. Is, yeah maybe it's because we were
all buying our stuff mail.
Speaker 4 (43:19):
Order but SO i, look AND i get. IT i
buy stuff mail order as.
Speaker 3 (43:23):
Well but if you, can and when you, can give
your local gun store a. Chance if they won't. Compete
they won't. Compete BUT i would, say, hey, guys how
close can you come to? This can we make a deal,
here give him an. Opportunity you may be surprised and may, say, well,
yeah we could do. That we can work with you on.
That so just something to think. About, hey when we
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he cannot get to his gun as a, result he,
said you, KNOW i need to make a better.
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Welcome back to gun Talk, Tom Gresham here if you
want to call me, no, it's easy eight six to
six Talk Gun or Tom Talkgun.
Speaker 4 (00:33):
That'll get you in here. You know how much I
like rifles.
Speaker 3 (00:36):
I'm just kind of as our friend John Barsness calls
a rifle loony. And one of the guys who writes
a lot about rifles and really knows a lot about him.
Speaker 4 (00:44):
Is Richard Man.
Speaker 3 (00:45):
And he he's got a brand new book out that
talk about appealing to me. Rifle Cartridges for the Hunter,
a hunting journal spinning a half century were joined right
now by Richard Mann. Of course, Richard, you're right for
practically everybody. It seems like everywhere there's your writing.
Speaker 5 (01:01):
Well, I have written for just about everybody, mostly now
field and stream gun digests and the NRA.
Speaker 3 (01:08):
All right, so why don't you get folks just a
little bit about your background because I and I have
said before, I think that you are one of the
pre eminent writers about hunting and rifle cartridges and other
gun stuff as well. But you know, that's kind of
the area that we're talking about. But your background is
what you've been, law enforcement, You've been You've done a
(01:28):
lot of different things.
Speaker 5 (01:29):
Yeah, I mean, I guess the funny. You know, everybody
says I've been hunting all my life since I was little,
and I can actually say I was hunting before I
was born. My mom was out hunting the fall I
was born in January. She was out hunting that fall.
So I'm marked from birth.
Speaker 4 (01:45):
That's great.
Speaker 5 (01:46):
All I ever wanted to do. I went into the
military and the National Guard, and then I went active duty,
and then I got out and worked as a police
officer for thirteen years and a special agent, and finally
I started writing, and apparently a couple of people like that.
Then it just grew and hung up the badge and
that's all I've done for the last quarter century now.
Speaker 3 (02:05):
Well, and part of the deal and that kind of
explaining is going to go right to the new book.
Part of the deal of being a gun writer hunting
writer is you get invited on a lot of hunts,
and maybe more than you can actually do.
Speaker 4 (02:16):
But you've been hunting.
Speaker 3 (02:17):
All over the world for a couple of decades, now
used in different guns, different rifles, different cartridges, and you
put all that together in this crazy book, Rifle Cartridges
for the hunter. It's a rundown. I'm looking at it
right now, to rundown of rifle cartridges. But more than
you know. You can look that stuff up online. But
what you've got is a combination of hunting stories, real
(02:39):
world how does us stuff work? And information about the
rifles and the cartridges.
Speaker 2 (02:45):
You know.
Speaker 5 (02:45):
One of the things that inspired me was like the
old nozzle reloading God where they'd have cartridge introductions and
different people that have had experience with this those cartridges
would tell stories about them. But like you said, you
can get ballistics and all that stuff online. You don't
need me to tell you the muzzlevelocity of a seven
milimeter PRC that anybody can see that. What I wanted
(03:07):
to do was kind of tell campfire stories. You know,
this is what I did in this place with this
rifle one time, and this is what happened, good or bad.
Speaker 3 (03:14):
Well, and it's normally you'd say, well, why do I
want to read that? I would tell people the reason
you want to read this because you're a really good
writer and you have a way of putting it all
together and saying, Okay, let's talk about the six or
five creed more, the cartridge, the bullets and what it
does and how I used it, and yeah, here's who
we were with, and this is what we did, and
(03:34):
we you know, we used it on deer, we used
it on kyo, so we did all this other stuff.
And people go, oh, okay, I get that. That's it's
more of a complete package.
Speaker 5 (03:42):
Yeah, I mean, and that's what you want to know.
You know, how how many hunters have heard about a
new cartridge and they called their buddy up say hey,
you know anything about this and he said, yeah, I
used the one last year and shot an elk or
shot a white tail or something. And I mean that's
the kind of information that people really want. You know.
The ballistics, they're ballistics, and they're kind of boring. You
can brag about an extra fifty feet per second but
(04:05):
what happened in the real world, you know, did you
use this thing and at work or what happened? And
that's kind of, you know, provide a little entertainment, you know.
But people love hunting stories. That's what anytime you're around
a campfire, what are you talking about? You're talking about
hunting stories.
Speaker 4 (04:20):
Yeah, oh, exactly right. All right.
Speaker 3 (04:22):
So the book is called Rifle Cartridges for the Hunter
by Richard Manns, available on Amazon, and you get up there.
So takeaways from all this these hunts all over the
world doing all this stuff and comparing I mean a
lot of these carts are so close together you can't
really put a playing card between them.
Speaker 4 (04:39):
They're that tightly packed. Ultimately, does it really.
Speaker 5 (04:42):
Matter, Tom, You've got to be able to shoot?
Speaker 4 (04:46):
Oh wow, that now you're going to make it hard.
Speaker 5 (04:51):
I mean, I would say seventy five percent of the
hunts I've done worldwide for big game and predators environments,
I could have done them all with a thirty Winchester.
That's just the fact.
Speaker 3 (05:02):
So what you're telling me is like I've told people,
I said, win in down, get a two seventy and.
Speaker 4 (05:07):
Don't look back.
Speaker 5 (05:09):
Yeah, A custom rifle maker friend of mine used to say,
load partitions, shut up and go hunting, you know, when
people were wondering about what's the best bullet, he said,
just load a partition and forget about it. Yeah, honestly,
I mean that's what it comes down to, the shot placement.
Speaker 4 (05:24):
It really does.
Speaker 3 (05:25):
You're really better off, aren't you spending most of your
time working on becoming a better shot. And that means
offhand and from sitting and from with sticks and actually
going out and shooting, getting off the bench.
Speaker 5 (05:39):
Yeah, but there's a cabot to that. You need to
have a rifle you like or you won't want to
shoot it, and you need to have a cartridge you
like or you won't want to shoot it. You know.
Melvin Forbes used to build custom guns for everybody, and
he said the ultimate question was, well, what cartridge should
I get it chambered for? And Melvin would he never
would tell him what to get a chambered for, but
(06:01):
he would talk to him about their hunting experiences and
likes and dislikes and kind of guide them to the
answer that they want. But you know, the cartridge we
choose to hunt with is our way of customizing our
hunting experience. You know, everybody in the world's got a
Remyiton seven hundred and they're all basically the same, but
we get to pick the cartridge we put in it.
(06:22):
It's it's like, you know, when we were young, you'd
put chrome wheels on your car, you know, so when
you drove into the high school parking lot, you get
that extra look. And that's really what it's about. You know,
what's the difference in a two seventy in a two eighty.
There's no difference. No, there's nobody, there's no animal in
the world can tell the difference. But you can, and
it gives you something. You can argue about those extra
(06:43):
ten feet per second at the campfire, and how much
better the two seventy is than a two eighty. Honestly,
there's not much difference at all. But it gives us
a mechanism to personalize our hunting experience and like what
we're hunting with.
Speaker 4 (06:56):
And that's important, it really is.
Speaker 3 (06:58):
We've got a lot of choices now, and the quality
of the rifles is better, I mean, out of the box.
We expect them to shoot really well, whereas I mean, honestly,
thirty forty years ago, if you had a rifle shot
two inches out of the box. That was pretty good.
I mean, now you'd send it back, how do you?
Because you had to use all the gear. I mean
you used everything. When you're going on your own hunt,
(07:20):
Richard Man's going hunting, He's going to pick up his
own rifle.
Speaker 4 (07:23):
What do you pick up? What do you hunt with?
Speaker 5 (07:26):
If I have a Choice Center rifle, it's probably going
to be one of the new Ultra Light Arms rifles,
either an original that Melvin Forbes built or one of
the new ones from Wilson Combat. I dis liked the rifle,
or like the history of it. I like the fact
that I was very good friends with the man that
designed it. Makes me it's kind of like hunting with
dad's rifle. You know. Sometimes I take my dad's old
(07:46):
dear rifle and as far as the cartridge goes. I
don't like getting kicked. I mean, I'm six foot, two
hundred pounds. I wrestled in high school. I was in
the military, I was a cop. I still don't like
getting kicked. I don't take cartridges that abuse me for
no reason. Like my most used deer hunting rifle is
(08:07):
a new Ultra Light Arms Model twenty s and thirty Remyton.
They are Ballistically, it's a three hundred savage, which is
all in the world you need to kill any white tail, right.
That's that's the rifle I pick. And then I'm like
other people. I've got connections to cartridges. I love the
thirty five Remington, and modern shooters would look at it
(08:28):
and say, man, that thing's antiquated. It is, But if
you put it in a nice little lever gun and
anywhere in the East you're hunting white tails, you're as
well armed as anybody else out there.
Speaker 3 (08:38):
Well, you talk about not getting kicked and recoil being
a factor. I really believe that if you start reducing
the recoil of the rifle, Cartris combination whatever, people shoot
better and they actually kill more animals. Is because she'm
in the right place.
Speaker 5 (08:55):
Hey, that you just described the six y five creed More.
Speaker 4 (08:57):
That's it, isn't it.
Speaker 5 (08:59):
Yeah? I mean, do you know the three oh eight
out the five maybe even eight hundred yards long distance shooting?
The three o eighths just as good. You can shoot
just as well with it. The six y five creed
More kicks a lot less. And if you're shooting fifty
rounds a day from a shooting bench or in some
sort of competition. You do that with a three oh eight,
(09:20):
you're gonna feel it. I don't care how much though
you think you are one hundred rounds out of a
threeh eight Winchester. You're gonna fell it at the end
of the day, and you're also gonna fill it halfway
through the day, and that's going to maybe make you
just put a little extra tug on it. That's why
the six y five creed More, you know, all its
ballistics are amazing, and they are they're great ballistics. But
(09:40):
it don't kick, and people love to shoot it, and
it's comfortable and it's fun. And the hell, after all
all this hunting and shooting, it's mostly all about fun anyway,
right now.
Speaker 4 (09:49):
If you're not having fun, why do it in the
first place?
Speaker 5 (09:51):
Right I mean, if you if you really was mad
enough at stuff and you really wanted to kill it bad,
you know, or sixteen Remington Magnum work on white tails
too well.
Speaker 3 (10:02):
I gotta tell you, I've used a three thirty eight
win mag on a white tail deer at ten yards
and it works.
Speaker 4 (10:09):
It's yeah, it'll work.
Speaker 5 (10:11):
But you knew it when it went off.
Speaker 4 (10:13):
Yeah yeah.
Speaker 3 (10:13):
I mean, I'm goofy enough to have used that same
three thirty eight win mag on a desert big horn
at three hundred and fifty yards and elk at three
hundred yards and a little bit of white tail at
ten yards. And that's just goofy. I mean, that's the
kind of goofy stuff we do. But I'm with you.
I'm going to light recoil the lighter you go up
to a certain point. But honestly, anything over about two
(10:34):
forty three, all the twenty fives are great, and you're
gonna kill all the deer. And when you once you
hit maybe twenty five to twenty six caliber or six
five preed more you're in the elk country.
Speaker 4 (10:44):
That works just fine.
Speaker 5 (10:45):
Yeah yeah. And you know, one of the reasons I
think the thirty on six has gained so much fame
and popularity, it's about it the upper recoil limits people
can comfortably tolerate, and any when you when three hundred
win mags, three thirty eight win mag, when you start
getting up in those recol levels, fun disappears. I mean, yep.
(11:07):
It's kind of like my story about the forty four magnum.
You know, everybody wants a forty four magnum revolver, and
they get one and they shoot it, and then about
a half a box shells later they sell it because
they realize they just think the kind of man they
thought they were. You know how many times has you
seen a forty four magnum revolver for selling it? It
says it comes with a half a box of ammo exactly.
Speaker 4 (11:27):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (11:27):
I mean it's great to have and not much fun
to shoot, you know. And if you really want to
go have fun, get your three fifty seven and shoot
thirty eight's out of it.
Speaker 4 (11:35):
There you go, there, it is all right.
Speaker 3 (11:37):
The book is titled Rifle Cartridges for the Hunter, A
Hunting Journal Spanning a half Century, by Richard Mann Availble
on Amazon.
Speaker 4 (11:44):
Richard, great job.
Speaker 5 (11:45):
I love the book, Ben, Thanks sim I really appreciate it.
Speaker 4 (11:48):
All right.
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Speaker 5 (14:01):
Hey, that's shiny durry from Derry's Guns. Welcome back to
gun talk.
Speaker 3 (14:08):
Speaking of Johnny, just got a picture from him yesterday,
day before I do yesterday. His mom just took a
really big Texas whitetail.
Speaker 4 (14:20):
Seven and a half year old.
Speaker 3 (14:21):
White tail is definitely over the peak, going on the
downhill side lots of times, eighty year old mother. Good
for you, ware to go, Miss Drry appreciate the picture, Johnny.
He said, Oh, Ben, it says hot hot down there
in South Texas. Right now, you're gonna be hit ninety five.
He said, we were gonna go out, He said, we're
(14:42):
not hunting those blinds. In the afternoon, We're gonna be
watching football games. He's an A and M fan. I
won't hold that against him. It's okay, I never hear
it's eighty six to six talk gun.
Speaker 4 (14:52):
Let's see.
Speaker 3 (14:52):
Charlie called down out of Kusbay, Oregon. Hey Charlie, you're
on gun talk. Which are you mine?
Speaker 10 (14:57):
Well? I to you really just sleep. But I have
never heard you talk about air rifles.
Speaker 3 (15:09):
Oh, we do occasionally, not, not very often. We do occasionally.
The air rifles we have now are not like the
daisies of you.
Speaker 4 (15:19):
Know, decades ago. They're a whole different level of both
power and accuracy.
Speaker 10 (15:25):
Back in the sixties when I was in the army
in Germany, uh, I shot in a competition with a
German air rifle club. Okay, Germans were not allowed to
own firearms except for air rifles.
Speaker 5 (15:48):
Ah, Okay, damn.
Speaker 10 (15:50):
Most people were good.
Speaker 4 (15:55):
Yeah, and the.
Speaker 3 (15:56):
Rifles are super accurate. But yeah, the Germans can shoot.
I mean the they were despite what the shows in
the movies.
Speaker 4 (16:02):
They were very good shots. In World War Two as.
Speaker 10 (16:04):
Well, were extremely good and espectifully the Russians and many
of their snipers were women.
Speaker 4 (16:18):
Yes, they were a lot of people don't know that.
So are you looking? Are you?
Speaker 3 (16:22):
Are you looking to get into airguns? Are you looking
for one?
Speaker 10 (16:26):
I live in a town which is not firearm friendly,
but my shop is large enough that I can shoot
about forty feet.
Speaker 4 (16:44):
Oh okay, that'll work.
Speaker 3 (16:49):
Here's a question for you, because I'm looking right now.
The place I would send you to look for an
air gun would be Pyramid Air. It's like with two wives,
p y r Amydpyramidair dot com and they've got guns
beyond one thousand dollars. It's crazy what you can spend
on the air gun. But you could absolutely find what
(17:10):
you're looking for there.
Speaker 10 (17:11):
Oh like, I don't like bake burrow air raffles. I
like side lover guns.
Speaker 4 (17:20):
Okay, you know what I would do.
Speaker 3 (17:24):
I would contact Pyramid Air and talk to somebody there
and say, look, this is what I'm looking for. I'm
looking for a side lever gun. I want one that's accurate.
Describe what you want, what you're willing to pay, and
guarantee you they will have it or can find it
for you.
Speaker 10 (17:38):
Well, I have this other problem that I would like
to tell you about. I have a whole bunch of
turkeys that come through my yard and show me absolutely
no respect.
Speaker 4 (17:56):
Yeah, they don't do that, there's just no care.
Speaker 10 (18:05):
I would truly love to have dinner.
Speaker 3 (18:10):
Well, you know what, and if you're a good shot
and you got an air gun, you can make that happen. Now,
I'm not going to even address local laws and seasons
and everything else, and shooting in town. That's your gig.
I'm not gonna worry about that one. I got to
run here. I appreciate the call, but yeah, Pyramid Air
p y r a m yd Pyramid air dot com.
(18:30):
They got everything from really inexpensive to a let's say
over one thousand dollars per an air gun, including air guns.
People may not know that you can hunt with dear
hont elk. I mean they're crazy powerful. Shoot charge them
up to I think like forty five hundred PSI. It's
pretty nuts what they will go to. Forty No, no,
(18:52):
not forty five thousand, No, forty five hundred so PSI
rather doubt it be forty five for a dear gun.
But we're going check o it. Jim and I are
having the conversation here, sir. He's gonna look it up
and tell me that I'm wrong, so we'll figure it out.
But then he's gonna look it up and find out
that was right. Let me find this, I want to read. Yeah,
(19:13):
I got time for this. I want to read this
to you to do. This is something I put over
on X I got an email from a listener and
I want to share it with you. I call it
just give him the rifle and so I'm just gonna
read it as it came to me, and it a
little bit long. Hang in there with me. I think
you'll enjoy it, he says. Quick story, which was prompted
(19:36):
by the third hour comment. You made something to the
fact that you said, try and do something nice for
someone each day. Well, yesterday I gave a hungry guy
five dollars to get a breakfast sandwich at Dunk and Donuts,
he says.
Speaker 4 (19:48):
Okay, but that's not it though.
Speaker 3 (19:51):
He says, I purchased about fifteen to twenty new guns
this year. One was, of course, the g T thirty
and two two three, five, five six head.
Speaker 4 (20:00):
I love it. The Balance of.
Speaker 3 (20:01):
The fire from my local store in Lakeland, Florida's where
he got him.
Speaker 4 (20:05):
He says.
Speaker 3 (20:06):
There's a guy there that always helps me make the
choices and keeps me up to speed with new firearms
and some old ones they have. I told him that
I was not using one of my rifles that he recommended.
A week or two later, he asked if I wanted
to sell it. We agreed on three hundred dollars, but
that was not my goal, he says. My goal was
(20:28):
to buy him a gun for Christmas. Because this came
up and he gave me the first installment of fifty dollars, says, yeah,
I agreed.
Speaker 4 (20:36):
To let him pay it out.
Speaker 3 (20:37):
I decided that the balance would not be necessary my
next visit to the store when I gave him the rifle,
he says, I told him that the fifty dollars would
go toward a few extra magazines I gave him to
go with the rifle, and the balance that was owed
was now his early Christmas present. For all the time
he spent with me through the years. He's not a
(20:59):
wealthy guy and always told me which guns he would
like to buy if he had the money. Bottom line,
he says, is you are correct do something nice each day.
It's good for the person you helped and good for
your soul.
Speaker 4 (21:13):
He says.
Speaker 3 (21:13):
My wife liked this guy a lot when he helped us.
She would always slip him a twenty dollars bill she
passed away eleven months ago, and I know that she
would have said give him the rifle. He would appreciate it.
Keep up the good work, Tom, God bless you and
your family and all the gun talk to him and listeners. Well,
(21:35):
there you go. Thank you, Richard. I appreciate that. Appreciate you.
Let me share that just finding an opening, finding a
small thing that you can do help somebody each day.
Not trying to sound pollyannious about things, but what I
(21:56):
found is that when you look for something like that,
it's amazing how many opportunities there are to do something
for someone.
Speaker 4 (22:06):
Someone you know, some of you don't know. I don't know.
Speaker 3 (22:09):
Somebody said yes that I had a dead battery, and
a young man offered to help. And he went into
the store and bought a set of jumper cables that
came out and jumped my car. Never forget it. Amazing stuff.
You can make a difference in people's lives sometimes with
just a very small gesture.
Speaker 4 (22:28):
We'll be right back with gun.
Speaker 3 (22:36):
Well, first off, a big old two hundred and fiftieth
birthday to the United States Marine Corps. Wow, they the
Marine Corps started before the founding of this country. Amazing stuff. Also,
of course this week we have Veterans Day coming up
on Tuesday. A big old thanks to everybody who served
(22:56):
and is serving. I'm pretty hard to actually for us
to significant sufficiently express our gratitude for those who volunteered
to go out there and put their lives on the
line to protect the rest of us. So a big
thanks to all of you. I want to fill in
(23:20):
the blank on one thing. I just had an email
from somebody who said, hey, Tom, be sure to tell
people on that situation where the guy shot through the
door and killed the cleaning lady who was at the
wrong house and her keys won't fit in the door,
can't unlock the door, guy shoots through the door, says remember,
tell people this was Britain broad daylight. This was like
in the middle of the night when you're afraid of
(23:40):
what's going on. Who is out there? This is not
a difficult thing to figure out who's out there? And
people say, well, what if you don't have a blank camera? Okay, great,
you yell who is that? Who are you?
Speaker 4 (23:53):
What do you want? Could I also offer that.
Speaker 3 (23:59):
Maybe if you are financially able, you get a camera
so you can know who's out there. So maybe you
can talk to who's out there? Hi, Can I help you?
What's going on? Wouldn't that be better than shooting somebody
and killing them wrong person? Someone who's not a threat.
(24:23):
I mean, what's the hundred bucks something on that? Or
but by the way, if you're interested in that, or
appracticate anything else. The Black Friday sales have started already,
and they're gonna be blink cameras and green cameras and
all sorts of security things. Everything's going to go up
(24:45):
for sale. The economy has been a bit flat, and
in the firearms world, sales have really been flat. And
there are a lot of companies that are going to
be trying to move a lot of things. You should
if you are interested. Who's going to say you should,
But only if you're interested. Obviously, get on the email
list of a lot of these outlets. Palmetter State Armory, CDNNN.
(25:08):
There's a bunch of them that are kind of the
outlets for gun companies. People who say, Okay, we have
a bunch of guns here we need to move, call
CDNN and they'll move them for us. You know, we've
got ten thousand magazines we need to move.
Speaker 4 (25:24):
Just move them.
Speaker 3 (25:25):
Out, get them out here, and you're gonna be able
to buy stuff at half price. It's really amazing the
Black Friday deals. In fact, let's let me ask this.
Are you seeing anything already in the way of Black
Friday deals out there that you feel like you ought
to share, because this is a good place to do it.
Give me a call, let me know what you're seeing
and where and that type of thing. I just stumbled
(25:48):
on one. And you know, there are some deals you think, yeah,
I don't need that, but I'm gonna buy it because
how could I pass it up?
Speaker 4 (25:54):
And I was it a minus.
Speaker 3 (25:58):
Twenty degree sleeping bag as seventy five percent off regularly
like two hundred and fifty bucks and sixty dollars, And yeah,
I got to have that.
Speaker 4 (26:09):
Do I need another sleeping bag? Of course not.
Speaker 3 (26:12):
But when it gets really cold, my trick what I
do is I put one sleeping bag in side of
the other when it's like ten degrees out there, and
it feels pretty good to have a double sleeping bag.
And if they say, well this is a minus twenty yeah,
sure we'll get that. Why not, We'll do that. And
it was the Funnies steal, of course, this is my
self enable, you know. And they said, well it's got
(26:36):
what was it like, twenty twenty five dollars shipping charge?
I said, well, but if you bump up your sales
you're purchased to over one hundred dollars, you get free shipping.
I went, huh, well, look you're there. They got a
coal steel knife for nineteen dollars and that'll put me over.
So basically it was a free knife at that point.
(26:57):
That's the way I shop. So what are you seeing
in tern the Black Friday deals? Because they've started already?
Of course, what are the deals you're seeing and where
are they? And are you buying these days? Love to
get that Intel Friday because I just a lot of
stuff out there. I am. I just picked up a
thousand rounds to forty five ECP. Why would I do that? Well,
(27:21):
because I'm having a custom nineteen eleven maid. I'm past seventy.
I've never had a full custom pistol made, and I
decided to do it. I got together with Bill Offridge
over at Silver Slide when I stopped in to see
him a couple of months ago, and I thought, you know,
(27:43):
I know that he's going to sell the business or
close it down at some point and he won't be
able to get those anymore. Wouldn't it be cool to
have one of his pistols? I mean, they're iconic. And
after some figuring out, said, well, I could sell two
or three four guns and I could buy that. Let's
(28:04):
get rid of some stuff you're not shooting and get
one that you used to really happy with. So it'll
be in another month or two or three, who knows,
you know what. It's one of those deals. It'll get
here when it gets here. But in the meantime, I'm
buying some animal for it. And now I'm shopping for holsters. Yes,
I have other nineteen eleven holsters, but I feel as though,
and I would love to get some input on this,
(28:26):
I feel as though a custom nineteen eleven deserves a
good leather holster. I don't think I put this in
a Kydex holster. Just doesn't seem like the thing to do.
If you have a thought on that or a take,
I would love to know about it. And also what
are you finding out there in the way of the
good deals share? We all want to know about those.
Speaker 4 (28:47):
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midst of the next industrial revolution, and that is going
to be AI, Artificial intelligence, Amazon, faed X, GPS companies
left and right saying we're going to be furloughing or
letting go tens of thousands of people with AI taking
(31:44):
up the jobs. And yet as I follow the stories
about courtrooms and court cases and judges and lawyers using AI,
they're starting to get in trouble. The lawyers are from
the judges who are saying your brief cited cases. Your
(32:08):
brief that used AI to write the brief cited cases
that don't exist. There's no such case, much less a precedent,
and you're including any of your brief. What's going on here, Well,
AI is it's not even that it's not perfect, it's
(32:29):
that it makes up stuff. It makes up cases that
don't exist, It makes up quotes that were never said.
And the question is, how would you know? We ran
into that with one of ours, Mark Walters, of course,
(32:51):
as the host of Armed American Radio. And oh gosh,
this was a couple of years ago, I guess now.
Mark ended up suing the chat GBT people because somebody
used AI to look up Second Amendment Foundation and Mark
(33:11):
and AI came back and said Mark had been fired,
been arrested for misuse of funds because he was the
treasurer of the Second Amendment Foundation and misused the funds,
and went on and on the Only problem was Mark
(33:32):
had never been the treasurer of the Second Moment Foundation.
He had never been fired, he had never been charged
with a crime, he had never been charged with misuse
of funds.
Speaker 4 (33:42):
It was all a lie. And yet that information is
still out there. HM.
Speaker 3 (33:52):
And yes, it's that there's no stopping it. AI is
the next industrial revolution and tens of thousands, hundreds of thousands,
maybe millions of people are going to lose their jobs,
have to find another way to make a living, going
to be replaced by AI. There is a form of
tyranny when it comes to online stuff. Two stories pop up.
(34:16):
One that affects us directly at gun Talk. One is
that last week saw the story that one of the
cryptocurrency companies, very deep in their documentation that regulates what
you're regulated by when you use their service, it said
(34:36):
you can't use their financial services, their cryptocurrency to buy
any type of weapon, gun, knife, et cetera. That's the
kind of things that financial companies have been doing for
years and saying you can't use our credit card, you
can't use our bank, or if you're a company in
(34:59):
the business, we're just going to close down your account,
which they've done many many times. And now, of course
we have new legislation that says you can't do that. Well,
the NRA found out about it once again in RA,
still doing good things out there, went to the company.
They went oops, yeah, I don't know how they got
(35:20):
in there, don't know who put it in. Yeah, they do,
they do, but that's okay. They took it out. And
then last was last week we had the guns dot
com people on and did the interview with them, and
we did it through a video hook up and then
we put that on YouTube. Well, of course, at gun
(35:44):
Talk we have thousands of videos on YouTube. We have
whole TV series that run on YouTube. Well, for the
first time ever in our history, we got a strike
against us. And if you're in this world, you know
that a strike is a big deal. That's a really
(36:05):
big deal. Because you get three strikes, they close down
your YouTube channel and you're gone. You just simply disappear.
Why do we get a strike against us because we
said the name of the company guns dot com. That's
the name of the company. Well, their policy at YouTube
is you cannot give out a website. You can't link
(36:29):
to a website, can't mention a website where they sell guns.
I mean, YouTube is the second largest search engine and
I'm told now that more than half of YouTube users
don't use the app.
Speaker 4 (36:47):
They're actually using their TV. Now you've got YouTube.
Speaker 3 (36:50):
Channel on your TV, but YouTube's policy is you can't
put anything on there that links to or mentions a
website that sells guns. And of course this company's name,
the name of the company is guns dot com, which
of course is also the website. So what's it going
(37:14):
to mean for us or I don't know. We're going
to take it up with YouTube, but it probably won't
be able to get anywhere with it because they don't care.
And now what they're doing, and this has happened to
us over the last few months, they're going back and
looking at old videos. I'm talking ten years, fifteen years back,
and they're removing a couple of our videos a day
(37:34):
now because I say, yeah, that's not allowed, that's not allowed.
Oh you mentioned this gun thing. You mentioned that gun thing.
That's not allowed. So I don't know how long we are.
All the other gun tubers are going to be around
in terms of being on YouTube, and maybe there's another platform.
Speaker 4 (37:53):
Maybe we create our own.
Speaker 3 (37:54):
Actually I guess I can talk about this. It's been
in the works for a while. We are creating our
own we're creating our own network TV network, gun Centric
TV Network, and it probably will be a month or
two before we able to give out the announcement, but
we're talking to people in the industry about it, so
(38:16):
the information is out. It's not like it's not known.
I'll have more details about that. We'll get Ryan on
here to talk about it at some point. But we
have figured out that we have to be in charge
of our own destiny, which means you have to be
in charge of your own distribution methods, because if the
distribution method you're using closes down, how do you get
things out?
Speaker 4 (38:36):
It's like saying, we.
Speaker 3 (38:37):
Know, we make a product and UPS delivers it and
now UPS to say, we're not going to deliver it anymore.
Speaker 4 (38:42):
How are you going to get it out there? That's
a problem.
Speaker 3 (38:46):
So as part of this ongoing online thing, AI is
a part of it, with all the lives it's doing.
The different websites that are anti gun and take a
strong anti gun bent. At a certain point, do they
become not just private companies, but somehow bigger than that
(39:06):
and worthy of regulation where we can say, yeah, you
can't discriminate against gun owners and gun companies. Don't know,
but it's something we'll talk about at some point eight
six' six talk. Gun let's, say first of, all thank,
You tom for calling in out of far. Ago he
(39:29):
reminds us that you ought to consider getting the webcams
for your. Car if you have dash cams on your,
car should you be a victim of road, rage you
can have evidence of. That it's really hard to prove
road rage you are attacked if you don't have, those
so dash. Cams there you. Go there's Your Black friday.
(39:50):
DEALS i guarantee you there will be a bunch of
those out. There SO i think that's a really good.
Idea Thanks, TOM i appreciate. That all, right let's go line.
Too joe's with us out Of New, Jerry, joe what's
on your minds?
Speaker 4 (40:01):
There?
Speaker 13 (40:02):
Tom two? Quick two things. Quick the first one really.
Quick you asked about. DEALS i see the price of
nine Millimeters ammo coming down four months. AGO i always
buy a thousand rounds at a. Time four months AGO
i was paying twenty six cents around before, freight and
now it's down a twenty one cents. Around brass new
Brass ammo Like blazer brass Case. Amo that's a that's
(40:22):
a twenty percent drop in four. Months went from twenty
six cents around to twenty one cents. Around SO i.
Speaker 3 (40:29):
Love, it you, Know and the thing is a shot
round carefully because sometimes you can get free shipping and
that adds up in a.
Speaker 13 (40:35):
Hurry it does. Too, yeah sometimes you order more than
something like with your night, deal you order so much
get free, shipping but without shipping it's gone from twenty
to twenty six to twenty, one which is a twenty percent.
Drop the other, thing, Though, TOM i want to give
your range report on speedloaders for pistol. Magazines you Know
i've been. Using you, Know i've got the long one
with the. FINGER i think it's THE. Etx you do
ten rounds in the finger and you put ten rounds into.
(40:56):
Once and the one you see hanging in the uh
in all the all the gun, RANGES i think they
call it the mag lula where you squeeze and pressed
down and you, know and that's kind of. WELL i
saw this one Called the only TROUBLE i had with
the maglulah is that you have to press. Down, well
your mag has an angled base, plate so you're mag
is angled and you've got to push. Down it was
(41:19):
always kind of awkward because you got to push straight
down on an angled. Mag, WELL i saw this thing
called A ludex L u d E x and it
was half the price my. Ball it said for, glock
and you know for. Glockmags WELL i tried. IT i got,
one AND i had a. Glockmag but THEN i tried
on my. SIGs i tried my h AND, K i
tried in my bread. A. Tom it works like a
dream on all of. Them and it's the exact opposite
(41:41):
of The. Maglulah instead of having the mag straight, up
you put the open mouth of the mac down inside
this gizmo which sits on the, table and then you
drop your m o in one one round of, time
and then you just push your mag down and there's
a little elf down in the. Bottom apparently that puts
that round right in the mouth of your. Mag i'm an,
(42:04):
ENGINEER i have no idea how this thing. Works but
you put the, maget you put the mag in upside,
down you put the round in pushed, down put the
next round push, down pushed. In, tom you can you
can put ten rounds in a mag in eight. Seconds
it's just. Incredible and if you want, to if you want, to,
look you got a. Computer but it says for, glock But,
tom it.
Speaker 3 (42:24):
Work look at, actually and they've got him On Amazon
blue deck the loaders On.
Speaker 13 (42:28):
Amazon, huh and it, worked it says for glot and
it even has glocks stamped on the side of. It But,
tom it works on every double stack MAG i.
Speaker 3 (42:36):
Have so, yeah that's a great razor for. IT i appreciate.
That look and, look thank you so much for. CALLING
i appreciate. THAT i do want to get this. In
michelle is reminding. Me she, Says, look also tell people
if you're Buying ammo and all the rest of.
Speaker 4 (42:51):
The stuff by, locally if at all.
Speaker 3 (42:54):
Possible you, know if you're saying was shipping shipping is
going to be, x, well you know, what add that
on and that could even out.
Speaker 4 (43:01):
What it costs you to buy.
Speaker 3 (43:02):
Locally if you buy from your local gun, store it
helps them stay in. Business and next time you need
something at a gun, store you don't roll up and go.
Out they've gone out of, business they closed their. Doors
wonder why that. Is, yeah maybe it's because we were
all buying our stuff mail.
Speaker 4 (43:19):
Order but SO i, look AND i get. IT i
buy stuff mail order as.
Speaker 3 (43:23):
Well but if you, can and when you, can give
your local gun store a. Chance if they won't. Compete
they won't. Compete BUT i would, say, hey, guys how
close can you come to? This can we make a deal,
here give him an. Opportunity you may be surprised and may, say, well,
yeah we could do. That we can work with you on.
That so just something to think. About, hey when we
(43:45):
come back charged by a, bear a griffly, bear and
he cannot get to his gun as a, result he,
said you, KNOW i need to make a better.
Speaker 4 (43:55):
Holster and he. Did
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