November 12, 2025 • 35 mins
On this episode of Gun Talk Nation, host Ryan Gresham sits down with AWR Hawkins, award-winning Second Amendment columnist at Breitbart News, to dive deep into the cultural, legal, and political forces shaping the future of gun rights in America.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
I wish he lived to see this, because this he
would have been the happiest American alive right now. He
would have thought, man, I didn't fight in vain. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (00:10):
Well, I mean there's a lot of people who are
freedom loving who are a little bit beside themselves, going,
this is really happening. I'm Ryan Gresham and this this
is guntog Nation. Guntog Nation is brought to you by
(00:38):
kimber Eotech, n RA, A, Arc Hodgden and Tokarev. Hey
welcome into gun dog Nation today and Guntognation. We've got
a W. R. Hawkins, an award winning Second Amendment Commas
for bright Bart News, writer, creator curator of down Range
with aw R. Hawkins, a weekly news letter focused on
(01:01):
all things Second Amendment, also for bray Bart News. He's
also a political analyst. He's a member of GOA and
director of global marketing for Lone Star Hunts. He was
the Visiting Fellow a visiting Fellow at the Russell Kirk
Center for Cultural Renewal and has a PhD in military history. AWR.
(01:22):
Welcome in and tell me what I got wrong.
Speaker 1 (01:25):
You didn't get anything wrong. You said a lot of things.
I appreciate that, all right. Yeah, it's funny, isn't it.
You look back on life and you've done a few things.
But my favorite thing to do is right on guns, period.
Speaker 2 (01:37):
And you put out an incredible amount of content on guns.
I mean, you're a guy who if you go onto
Bright Bar, which was what I was doing, just kind
of looking up what you've been talking about lately. I
mean it's multiple things a day that you guys are
putting out stories on.
Speaker 1 (01:55):
Well, you got to counter the left. You know, you
can't and not just counter them, keep them at bay.
If you stay on them real good, you don't have
to worry about their narrative. Normally after a shooting or something,
you know, Ryan, I do have to worry about turning
the narrative and take that away from them, turn it
back the way it needs to go. So it requires
(02:16):
a lot of writing. But if every day you just
stay on them, then you can keep that narrative out
of their hands. So that's what we try to do.
Speaker 2 (02:25):
Aw, you're a guy who follows this, You're a smart guy.
You've been looking at that for a long time. One
of the things that I think our side struggles with
is we gotta say, well, the facts are on our
side and the logic is on our side. But then
do facts and logic move the needle? I mean, what's
the strategy.
Speaker 1 (02:47):
I think in the long term they do. I think
what I've learned is in the short term, emotion moves
the needle, and that's the left, and that's why they
might get traction. And it might look like, even under Biden,
looked like two or three times, we're going to have
a ton of gun control go through. But the facts
and the rationale defeat that. Once people think coolly and
(03:09):
they back up, and cooler minds prevail. Even though Biden
did succeed in the Bipartisan Saber Communities Act, let's be honest,
that was a wash and that was something he bragged about,
but apart from ruining John Cornyn's career, that didn't really
accomplish anything. And I believe that where we have won.
(03:31):
And I include you and your dad in this. I
include a lot of people who don't work for Breitbird
in this, people who have been at this a long time.
I make decades. Has your dad been at this?
Speaker 2 (03:42):
In fight and rarety years, thirty years on the radio,
And then other stuff before.
Speaker 1 (03:47):
That, right, just educating, educating it. And I believe that's
the long game. I believe it's weird, to be honest
with you, because the Left defeated us in education via
the long game. They saw in the sixties they would
take over the universities, how they would change curriculum, how
they would do all these things, and we sit back
and didn't realize what they were doing until they have won.
(04:08):
And I believe if you look right now, look at
our standing in the court system, which I don't think
anyone saw coming. Look at how we're doing in the
court system, how we're using the court system, how we're
also using new media, not establishment media, including podcasts and radio.
And I believe if you look at the long game
on guns, we're winning. And it goes back to what
(04:29):
you're saying, facts and rationale.
Speaker 2 (04:32):
So don't give up on the facts and rationale part
of it.
Speaker 1 (04:35):
No, No, I don't believe so. And you know you might.
Every now and then you're going to talk to someone
and when you're done, you're going to go, that wasn't
worth it, But maybe the next five conversations will be.
So you know, had I know you have too I've
had those it's not worth it talks. But you sometimes
don't realize that un til is over.
Speaker 2 (04:54):
Sometimes you're in the middle of it and you go, oh,
what the hell, let's just keep going, gonna get mewhere.
Speaker 1 (05:00):
But whatever, But I mean, I've got nothing else to do.
Speaker 2 (05:04):
It's right. What has been as you follow this in
the last few weeks? Has there been any stories or
any anything that's popped up that's kind of on your radar?
Speaker 1 (05:17):
Well, I've had, sadly, in the last few weeks a
lot of things I've had to cover that are reactionary,
you know, the attack on Dallas Ice, the assassination of
Charlie Kirk, this lunatic who attacked the Mormon Church over
the weekend, those kinds of things. But other than that,
what I see, and I don't want to jump ahead
(05:38):
of us, but I mentioned this when you and I
were speaking off camera. You see our DOJ is very
active in trying to take down gun control. You see
our Civil Rights division of our DOJ by ours I'll
say Trump's DJ because it's actually his. But you see
that DOJ now taking part in lawsuits against the weapons bans.
(06:01):
You see that DOJ bringing lawsuit against the Los Angeles
County Sheriff's Department. And they're doing that because the Sheriff's
department is slow walking the issuance of concealed carry permits.
And in a state like California, if you don't have
a conceal carry permit, you've got to go unarmed because
you don't dare carry a gun without a permit in
a heavily gun controlled state. So what it basically does
(06:22):
slow moving that renders citizens defenseless. And so you've got
Trump's DOJ in on that. I could keep going, but
in my opinion, that's really been a highlight of the
last month is to see his DOJ get so active,
not in defending gun control, but in trying to knock
it down.
Speaker 2 (06:40):
It's almost a weird place for us, because for so
long we felt like we were on our heels with
this and always like jabbing and ducking and weaving, and
now it's like we're actually maybe perhaps gaining some ground
because we just we have the right administration in there
that's supporting gun rights.
Speaker 1 (06:57):
Right, It's exactly right, and it is real in many ways.
You're exactly right. And I'll see something pop up and
I mean, I dig and dig until I can find
the filing so I can read it for myself, because
I'm like, wait, does this say that that our DOJ
is is going to fight with gun rights groups against
(07:18):
assault weapons bands? Right? And it's not that I think
Trump supports an assault weapons ban, It's not that. It's
just what you're saying. To actually see the administration say
we're not going to see the Second Amendment treated like
a second class right. It's amazing and it's what we
fought for for decades, you know, It's it's just it's wild.
Speaker 2 (07:37):
Well it is wild. And well, here's the thing. If
people listening to this, people who read your stuff, they're
in it, like the gun rights the second moment they
care about they follow it there. But I mean, let's
be honest. The people who are in Washington, do you see,
even if they're conservative, guns may not be their first
priority or even their third priority. So the fact that
(07:58):
it's not just that they're okay with guns, but they're
actively you know, filing the DOJ filing lawsuits to gain
back some gun rights is a big deal. They're proactively
doing this. And then going back to what you said
about California, that's definitely a place where you can't like
get away with it. I mean, I mean, I'm here
(08:19):
in Louisiana, a fairly freedom loving place where they almost
give you the benefit of the doubt, and if you
had to use your gun and a self defense encounter,
you probably also are going to get a little bit
of the benefit of the doubt or and kind of
go okay, you know, we we're okay with that. We
want good citizens doing good things. But in a place
like California, you are not right.
Speaker 1 (08:42):
No, you're exactly right. And I want to say real quick,
since you're in Louisiana, you can pay me for this
appearance of disappearance in bou Dain balls and that tufe.
I just want to say that. But back to your point,
you're right. See, this is a problem when people will
ask why why don't you accept common sense gun control
(09:02):
or moderate gun control, Because if you start accepting those
things in they're neither common sense nor moderate. But if
you start accepting them, pretty soon you have what you
have in California, where you have so many statutes and
regulations that if they slow roll the permit like they're doing,
you literally cannot carry a weapon to defend yourself your life.
(09:24):
Your life is indefensible for that period of time. And
so this is why I fight gun control at all levels,
tooth and nail. And in my opinion, what constitutional carry
has done has exposed the concealed carry permit as one
of the most egregious gun controls in existence because basically
you see it California in Los Angeles County, where they
(09:47):
have to beg their government for permission to exercise the
right to bear arms. Do you think our founders ever
dreamed we would have to beg the government to exercise
a right that they were never supposed to infringe, right,
It's crazy?
Speaker 2 (10:03):
Yeah, I mean you think about it. If you had
to go take a class and get a permission slip
to exercise freedom of religion, would that be okay?
Speaker 1 (10:14):
Right? No, you're exactly our freedom of speech or freedom
of you know, the ability to own property that the
government couldn't just usurp and keep their soldiers in or on. Yeah,
it's crazy. And I think when you do what you
just did, when you look at other freedoms and you
use the idea of a permitting process for that, people
(10:36):
go wait, wait, that doesn't make sense because I think
somehow in our psyche we've gotten used to having to
get a permit to carry a gun. We've got to
get past that. Yeah, But I think when you shifted
to other rights like you did, people kind of go, wait, wait,
this is correct. Why do I have to get a
permit to exercise a god given right?
Speaker 2 (10:57):
Look, we can't let anybody go to try from practice religion.
We you know, there needs to be some parameters, some
training that we're gonna give these people before they just
start practicing religion all over the place. Like, we got
to make sure that they're approved to practice religion.
Speaker 1 (11:16):
Right, because if they're not approved, they might not do
it correctly.
Speaker 2 (11:19):
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Speaker 1 (13:39):
In my opinion, they are because they're unnatural. And you know,
anything that is unnatural runs counter to natural law, natural rights,
and ultimately the author of natural natural rights, Thomas Jefferson,
would put that author as our creator. So I believe,
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in my opinion, anything like a gun free zone which
undercuts my ability to defend my life self defense is natural.
The inability to conduct self defense is unnatural. So I
believe a gun free zone is unnatural.
Speaker 2 (14:20):
It's strange because I'll i'll try to do a mental
exercise and let me just try to see the other
side and try to understand it, and with the intention
of learning how to battle it, not really seeking to
get on board with it. But I can't wrap my
brain around any type of logic of why a gun
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free zone would exist.
Speaker 1 (14:44):
Why I can't either accept it makes it makes the people.
When we began our time together today, we talked about
the difference between logic and rationale versus emotion. It makes
people that operate off emotion feel good, but feel good
until someone attacks you in a gun free zone. Then
you don't feel very good because suddenly you can't do
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what comes natural, which is defend your own life. So
gun free zones are very dangerous. And besides that, I would,
I believe you use the language, I would argue that
they're immoral because unnatural.
Speaker 2 (15:18):
I mean, you think about it. I obviously they're saying, well,
bad things happen at churches, so we need to create
a gun free zone. That's that's one of the prohibited
areas for concealed carry. Except that you're assuming that people
carrying guns into a church are only bad people. And
I think that's one of the default places where they
(15:40):
come from, is well, a lot of these is like, well,
assuming that the carrier of a gun is a bad guy.
And actually probably most times it's not.
Speaker 1 (15:50):
Right right, And I think what you're also what they're
also doing, and they're not thinking about it. They're responding
to an attack and a gun free zone by wanting
to directly or in directly enlarge the gun for his owne. Well,
that's just providing a bigger target, it doesn't. You have
to stop and think why did they choose this target? Now,
(16:10):
it may be that the person harbors a particular degree
of hatred for a certain faith, But in my experience,
there's also going to be a second reason there, and
it's going to be that that person figured out security
was low or nonexistent and that they could carry out
their attack without fear of being with bullets flying back
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at them. And we have to create a world where
people understand if you come to attack children or are
churchgoers or whoever, Walmart shoppers, I don't hear it, then
you are going to face perhaps more bullets than you're launching.
We have to create that world, and if we do that,
people will understand we're going to have to find new
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targets because churches and schools no longer that's not a
good target anymore.
Speaker 2 (16:56):
Yeah, I mean, typically when they show up, they're assuming
no one is armed and no one shooting back. Otherwise
they wouldn't go there for the most part.
Speaker 1 (17:06):
Right, You're exactly right. Well, if you look if you
look at the Minnesota or excuse me, Minneapolis shooter. August
twenty seventh, he had written in his journal about his
admiration for the Aurora Theater shooter that was in twenty twelve,
and the Aurora theater shooter had worked extensively to find
a theater that was gun free, so that to your point,
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when he went in that theater to start shooting, no
one could shoot back. He was the only one with
a gun. There's something weird in the psyche of these shooters.
It's their one power trip. It's their one opportunity to
have the power. They feel like people have held over
their heads. They're whole, like you see that time and again,
and maybe someone could study that and figure it out.
(17:51):
But the quicker solution that's necessary is when they would
pull a gun, they need to face about six guns
and figure out this was a bad decision and I'm
not going to hurt anybody, but they're going to hurt me.
If we can develop that, then we can end these attacks.
Speaker 2 (18:08):
Yeah, well said, what areas are you seeing that? Citizens
are doing a good job as far as working on
the gun right side and making some progress maybe at
the state level or on a national level.
Speaker 1 (18:28):
Well, I mean I think, well, Florida, where you see
now open Carrie, you know that's a result of a lawsuit,
not the result of the legislature. You know, Governor DeSantis,
he ripped into the Florida GOP because they had every
opportunity in the majority and they would not enact open carry,
and it took lawsuits to do it, and that was
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finally secured. So I do believe you see in the
gun owning populace, you see lawsuits that had been very effective.
We see gun control, especially in California, a little at
a time, and there's so much of it that it
may be hard to notice, but a little at a time,
California's gun control is being peeled back via lawsuits. And
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these are gun owners filing suits with the help of
Second Amendment Foundation, Firearms Policy Coalition, the NRA.
Speaker 2 (19:21):
So I see that too.
Speaker 1 (19:23):
I believe in the groups, those three groups that I
just named, you see in a proactive, preemptive mentality that
even if we back up ten years ago, I don't
know if we would have seen it to this degree.
And so I am really heartened by that. Plus, I
believe when we look at our legislature, although I don't
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believe we hold a big enough majority. I wish we
had more. But if you look at a rep. Like
Eli Crane, you look at representatives like him, they're fearless.
You can't mock them into submission. You'll remember a few
decades ago, we would have what we would consider a
strong Republican majority and you could almost say boot and
they would scamper all. They're so damn worried to say,
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boo to Eli Creme, you better get ready for the
blow because it's coming. And uh. And so I think
we've done well electing better people uh to to office
as well. And these are all encouraging things to me
because they have long lasting effects.
Speaker 2 (20:25):
It's a great way to put it. We're we're also
encouraging better people to run for office. I think some
of those folks said I've had enough, and maybe they're
fed up or they've been encouraged by somebody to go
ahead and run for office. And you're right, those are
those are people getting elected who are not worried about
being liked, They're not worried about being invited to all
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the parties in DC. They're just gonna do their thing.
They're going to do the right thing. And yeah they're not.
They're not frightened by some other politicians. And you know,
going back to California, there's been some surprises. I mean,
you think about some wins out of the Ninth Circuit
which have been like, what the and this has happened
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several times over the last few years. You go, wait,
this is a this is a positive decision for guns
coming out of the Ninth which is just bonkers. I
think it also goes to we used to kind of
seem to be more focused on the legislation part of it,
and the strategy for a while has been a little
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bit more getting ground through lawsuits.
Speaker 1 (21:33):
I agree with you, and I believe I believe that
focus has also upped the passion to people because they're
seeing rewards. I think for a long time we saw
people fight, and we encourage people to fight. You would
encourage them, your dad would encourage them. I would encourage them.
Then they would fight, but it seemed for no end
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or no avail. And now, as you're saying, even with
a even with a appeals court that we used to
call the Ninth Circus is now coming through so often
it's unbelievable. And again, these are all because of the
way elections. Elections have consequences voting putting in the right president.
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I remember during Trump's first term, a lot of people
didn't pay attention, but he was setting the judicial pathway
for what we are reaping today. He was setting us
up perfectly. He's still doing it. But you know, it
is so important that we vote for the right people
at those higher offices because we have to keep in mind,
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whoever we put in there is going to control the
landscape of the court for the foreseeable future. Thank God,
and I say that literally, thank God that Trump is
the man doing that.
Speaker 2 (22:46):
Yeah, I mean, and putting those judges in place at
the circuit level, at the Supreme Court level that has
decades long effect.
Speaker 1 (22:55):
Well, you think, where would we be. I don't want
to go down this rabbit hole vote. I have thought
about it many times after any one of these high
profile shootings we've had. Where would we be if we
had a Harris administration with a court system where she
was appointing justices. I mean, it would literally be scary
where we would be. But we're not there because we
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happen to have a freedom loving administration that respects the Constitution,
and it's wild to me. I wish my dad. My
dad died in twenty fourteen, and I think so often
he was a combat bet. I wish he lived to
see this, because this he would have been the happiest
American alive right now. He would have thought, Man, I
(23:39):
didn't fight in vain. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (23:41):
Well, I mean, there's a lot of people who are
freedom loving who are a little bit beside themselves gone.
This is really happening.
Speaker 1 (23:49):
It's wild. But you know, the thing is our Second
Amendments being restored. I tried to cover that when I
spoke at Gun Rights Policy conference. You have these leftists
that say, well, we have the Supreme Court creating rights
in Heller or creating rights in MacDonald or whatever. They're
not creating rights. They're reaffirming rights, rights that have always
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been there but have been suppressed. And we've been waiting
for a day like this when the judiciary was set
correctly so that they could stand up and go, wait,
enough of this. We need to reaffirm. There is a
right to have a gun in the home for self defense.
There is a right to carry a gun outside the
home for self defense. There is a there, and it's
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a beautiful day. No one's creating rights. These rights existed
before Thomas Jefferson was even thought of by his mother.
And all that's happening now is we are reaffirming the
rights that our founders risked everything to secure. That's all
that's happening is a great day.
Speaker 2 (24:51):
Well, it's respect for our founding fathers too, when we
reaffirm that. I mean, it's so incredibly in disregarding and
disrespectful when they just say no, never mind, I don't
care what they.
Speaker 1 (25:01):
Said, it really is, And that's the I don't know
how to say it. You know, we used to be
a postmodern society about eight years ago. I think we're
post postmodern now. And in the post postmodern, you're right,
we just fluff it off. Who cares? What they said
doesn't matter to me, and we've made them so unimportant
in academia and elsewhere. But I don't know about you.
(25:23):
I feel like I'm seeing a restoration of respect for
the founders in our country and a reinvigoration to read
about our founders. Read what they wrote, not read what
someone says they wrote, but what did they write? It's
easy to find they go read it, and I believe
it is giving us a new love for freedom.
Speaker 2 (25:42):
Also, do you think that people see some progress on
this side and they're more willing to be vocal about
these freedoms and their beliefs, not feeling like they're going
to get shut down or shouted down, right, I do.
Speaker 1 (25:57):
I believe that through the new media, through podcasts like
yours again, radio shows like your dad's, you know our
radio program at bright Bark that's on the XM, different things,
the voice has gotten so much bigger. We used to
be drowned out. Soros are people like him. They could
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rent a few buses or do whatever and always either
have us out numbered or at least have bigger and
better microphone systems, and they could drown us out. They
can't do it anymore. Yeah, they can't dround us out.
They really can't. And I believe you're right. I believe
that emboldens people on our side. Not it bolds them
to do evil or incorrect things, but it emboldens them
(26:41):
to stand up for the truth and to stand up
for freedom. And I think that's very important.
Speaker 2 (26:47):
Well, it's almost a little bit of an irony, perhaps
that we have these new voices or new ways to
get our voice out there that were created by Silicon Valley.
Speaker 1 (27:00):
Right, you're exactly right. Well, you look, one of our
big ways is X formally Twitter, and I mean it's
hard to believe how free the speech on X has
become in the past few years. Credit of course to
Elon for he is jealous for free speech, and thank
(27:23):
god he is. And but that has created a platform
that goes to your point again, that has created a
platform in X. We're people who under Jack the former
owner or at least CEO under him, they were squashed
if they spoke something he didn't agree with. Elon wants
(27:43):
you to say something he doesn't agree with. Please, please
be free in your speech. And that is the America
we need.
Speaker 2 (27:51):
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deal for us to have big platforms out there that
people can have a voice and call out the truth
and call out the BS. And I'm going full circle
back onto talking about the facts and the truth on
our side. It's hard to argue with that when you
just keep pointing it out and people actually can hear
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what people are saying. It's an interesting thing too, because
i mean, you have a voice, you're you're a big
media guy, and we've got a podcast. But even the
regular guy who's a gun enthusiast. Everybody has an audience,
even even whether it's it's a huge audience or it's
kind of a small audience, to be able to carry
that message.
Speaker 1 (29:41):
Right, No, exactly right. X provides that and you see that.
I'll see somebody who's a follower of my account and
they'll type something. I'm like, that's pretty profound, you know.
I try to take time to respond and say, look,
this is it. You know, retweet it or reposted, and
you know you're exactly right it. The free marketplace of
(30:04):
ideas is a free marketplace for everyone, not just corporations,
not just newspapers or podcasts, but every gun owner. And
I think you're exactly right, and it's heartening, it's encouraging
for for every gun owner. We're at a different time
and we hit this place all of a sudden. It
didn't come without work, of course, but it's like everything
(30:28):
started paying dividends all of a sudden. We're in a
good place as freedom loving gun owners.
Speaker 2 (30:33):
Well, and you also have to make hay while the
sun is shining, this may not be the case in
four years or eight years or whatever it might be.
So we got to keep the ground and maybe gain
some ground while we can in this spot.
Speaker 1 (30:48):
Right I agree with you, you know we have to.
That's why right now I'm going to focus on Pennsylvania
where they're trying to push Democrats are trying to push
gun control. We've got to defeat that, defeat it now,
and defeat it in a way that they all think
we're not going to bring this back up for a while.
And you know, we need to keep fighting. And I
(31:09):
want to do a search on states. I don't really
know how many states lack a preemption law. I want
preemption laws in every state controlled by Republicans at this moment.
And for I know your listeners know, but for those
who don't, a preemption law it prevents a state. It
prevents municipalities from passing gun controls that exceed those at
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the state level. And when you can get pre emption
laws in place, they are a check so that if
the Conservatives lose control that state for an election or two,
that does not provide an opportunity for the biggest cities
of that state to enact gun control. So there are
things like that I believe we need to do looking forward,
just to your point, because we are, we're working in
(31:53):
those hayfields while the sun's out. So let's get let's
get everything we can get done while the sun is shining. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (32:00):
And just to add to the preemption talk, I mean,
how many of us talk about these states where it's
the tail that wags the dog. You know, the whole
state is very conservative minded, except that there's this big
metro area and it's this big city who has the population. Maybe,
but then they want to make their own gun laws,
which people are where like, oh, Chicago has bad gun laws. Well,
(32:23):
if you have preemption in place in your state, they
can't pull that crap. I mean New Orleans tried to
pull it, and you can't do it. Like we have
a horrible mayor in New Orleans horrible crime issue because
she's horrible and she's saying, well, we need special gun
laws here, and that didn't fly at the state level
because they're going, whoa, whoa, whoa, No, you can't do that.
(32:43):
So that's a good point. That's an area where, especially
if you're in a state that it has the votes
at the state level, that you could get something done
that would be a fairly permanent fix for anything else
in the future.
Speaker 1 (32:59):
Right as are lucky too, fortunate. I should say, you
have Governor Landry. What a great governor you're talking about
pro gun, Yeah, Lee, I mean I do wonder if
his if his mom wrapped him in a Smith and
Weston blanket when he was born. I mean, the guy
is so pro gun. I love him. I've spent quite
a bit of time with him, and uh, just love him.
(33:20):
You got you're so fortunate to have, you know, we
have we have Jeff Landry, we have Greg Abbott, we
have Kevin Stitt in Oklahoma. You have around the country,
you have Governor DeSantis and Forida around the country. You
have some remarkable governors right now and they're getting it done.
That's something else. You can have the imports of those
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googlenatorial races.
Speaker 2 (33:44):
Yes, and and when you can have a strong governor.
And then you get the attorney general and they're they're
tag team in that thing. You got some attorney generals
that are kicking butt left and right and very outspoken.
And it's interesting we're in this world where now you
have attorney attorney's general is getting together and coordinating efforts
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and they're gaining ground, not just really inside their borders,
but kind of gaining ground across the country because they're
exchanging ideas.
Speaker 1 (34:14):
I think, right, yeah, well you have you know, you
have Attorney General Austin canuts And in Montana, and he
and twenty six other states they're they're pushing, urging the
Supreme Court to take up a case that would allow
the Supreme Court to remind people that ammunition magazines that
(34:35):
hold more than ten rounds are protected by the Second Amendment.
Not just not just that they're legal or we should
have an ability to own them. No, no, no, that they
are protected by the Second Amendment. And it's to your
point this twenty seven states pushing for this and this
this is a that's another when you asked me a
while back, what are what are some encouraging things? This
(34:57):
is super encouraging to see Austin and other attorney generals
rallying together to do that. Very encouraging. And it's a
day that I did. I saw it coming, but I
didn't see it coming as quickly as I'm glad it's here.
Speaker 2 (35:10):
Yeah, let's let's not put our take our foot off
the gas on this stuff, on the elections and the
gun rights part. For everybody listening, we can we can
all high five and enjoy that there is some progress
being made, but there's always those areas that we can
keep pushing on. Aw R, thanks for being with us, man,
this has been fun.
Speaker 1 (35:29):
Thank you. I love being with you, and I hope,
I hope you and your father continue to enjoy great success.
Speaker 2 (35:36):
Yeah, and you guys, uh go check him out on
Breitbart and all the things he's doing. He's a he's
a good thinker on the Second Amendment, and uh man,
I just appreciate it. It's been fun. Everybody listening. That's it
for us. We'll see you next time on gun tog Nation.
I wish he lived to see this, because this he
would have been the happiest American alive right now. He
would have thought, man, I didn't fight in vain. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (00:10):
Well, I mean there's a lot of people who are
freedom loving who are a little bit beside themselves, going,
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Welcome in and tell me what I got wrong.
Speaker 1 (01:25):
You didn't get anything wrong. You said a lot of things.
I appreciate that, all right. Yeah, it's funny, isn't it.
You look back on life and you've done a few things.
But my favorite thing to do is right on guns, period.
Speaker 2 (01:37):
And you put out an incredible amount of content on guns.
I mean, you're a guy who if you go onto
Bright Bar, which was what I was doing, just kind
of looking up what you've been talking about lately. I
mean it's multiple things a day that you guys are
putting out stories on.
Speaker 1 (01:55):
Well, you got to counter the left. You know, you
can't and not just counter them, keep them at bay.
If you stay on them real good, you don't have
to worry about their narrative. Normally after a shooting or something,
you know, Ryan, I do have to worry about turning
the narrative and take that away from them, turn it
back the way it needs to go. So it requires
(02:16):
a lot of writing. But if every day you just
stay on them, then you can keep that narrative out
of their hands. So that's what we try to do.
Speaker 2 (02:25):
Aw, you're a guy who follows this, You're a smart guy.
You've been looking at that for a long time. One
of the things that I think our side struggles with
is we gotta say, well, the facts are on our
side and the logic is on our side. But then
do facts and logic move the needle? I mean, what's
the strategy.
Speaker 1 (02:47):
I think in the long term they do. I think
what I've learned is in the short term, emotion moves
the needle, and that's the left, and that's why they
might get traction. And it might look like, even under Biden,
looked like two or three times, we're going to have
a ton of gun control go through. But the facts
and the rationale defeat that. Once people think coolly and
(03:09):
they back up, and cooler minds prevail. Even though Biden
did succeed in the Bipartisan Saber Communities Act, let's be honest,
that was a wash and that was something he bragged about,
but apart from ruining John Cornyn's career, that didn't really
accomplish anything. And I believe that where we have won.
(03:31):
And I include you and your dad in this. I
include a lot of people who don't work for Breitbird
in this, people who have been at this a long time.
I make decades. Has your dad been at this?
Speaker 2 (03:42):
In fight and rarety years, thirty years on the radio,
And then other stuff before.
Speaker 1 (03:47):
That, right, just educating, educating it. And I believe that's
the long game. I believe it's weird, to be honest
with you, because the Left defeated us in education via
the long game. They saw in the sixties they would
take over the universities, how they would change curriculum, how
they would do all these things, and we sit back
and didn't realize what they were doing until they have won.
(04:08):
And I believe if you look right now, look at
our standing in the court system, which I don't think
anyone saw coming. Look at how we're doing in the
court system, how we're using the court system, how we're
also using new media, not establishment media, including podcasts and radio.
And I believe if you look at the long game
on guns, we're winning. And it goes back to what
(04:29):
you're saying, facts and rationale.
Speaker 2 (04:32):
So don't give up on the facts and rationale part
of it.
Speaker 1 (04:35):
No, No, I don't believe so. And you know you might.
Every now and then you're going to talk to someone
and when you're done, you're going to go, that wasn't
worth it, But maybe the next five conversations will be.
So you know, had I know you have too I've
had those it's not worth it talks. But you sometimes
don't realize that un til is over.
Speaker 2 (04:54):
Sometimes you're in the middle of it and you go, oh,
what the hell, let's just keep going, gonna get mewhere.
Speaker 1 (05:00):
But whatever, But I mean, I've got nothing else to do.
Speaker 2 (05:04):
It's right. What has been as you follow this in
the last few weeks? Has there been any stories or
any anything that's popped up that's kind of on your radar?
Speaker 1 (05:17):
Well, I've had, sadly, in the last few weeks a
lot of things I've had to cover that are reactionary,
you know, the attack on Dallas Ice, the assassination of
Charlie Kirk, this lunatic who attacked the Mormon Church over
the weekend, those kinds of things. But other than that,
what I see, and I don't want to jump ahead
(05:38):
of us, but I mentioned this when you and I
were speaking off camera. You see our DOJ is very
active in trying to take down gun control. You see
our Civil Rights division of our DOJ by ours I'll
say Trump's DJ because it's actually his. But you see
that DOJ now taking part in lawsuits against the weapons bans.
(06:01):
You see that DOJ bringing lawsuit against the Los Angeles
County Sheriff's Department. And they're doing that because the Sheriff's
department is slow walking the issuance of concealed carry permits.
And in a state like California, if you don't have
a conceal carry permit, you've got to go unarmed because
you don't dare carry a gun without a permit in
a heavily gun controlled state. So what it basically does
(06:22):
slow moving that renders citizens defenseless. And so you've got
Trump's DOJ in on that. I could keep going, but
in my opinion, that's really been a highlight of the
last month is to see his DOJ get so active,
not in defending gun control, but in trying to knock
it down.
Speaker 2 (06:40):
It's almost a weird place for us, because for so
long we felt like we were on our heels with
this and always like jabbing and ducking and weaving, and
now it's like we're actually maybe perhaps gaining some ground
because we just we have the right administration in there
that's supporting gun rights.
Speaker 1 (06:57):
Right, It's exactly right, and it is real in many ways.
You're exactly right. And I'll see something pop up and
I mean, I dig and dig until I can find
the filing so I can read it for myself, because
I'm like, wait, does this say that that our DOJ
is is going to fight with gun rights groups against
(07:18):
assault weapons bands? Right? And it's not that I think
Trump supports an assault weapons ban, It's not that. It's
just what you're saying. To actually see the administration say
we're not going to see the Second Amendment treated like
a second class right. It's amazing and it's what we
fought for for decades, you know, It's it's just it's wild.
Speaker 2 (07:37):
Well it is wild. And well, here's the thing. If
people listening to this, people who read your stuff, they're
in it, like the gun rights the second moment they
care about they follow it there. But I mean, let's
be honest. The people who are in Washington, do you see,
even if they're conservative, guns may not be their first
priority or even their third priority. So the fact that
(07:58):
it's not just that they're okay with guns, but they're
actively you know, filing the DOJ filing lawsuits to gain
back some gun rights is a big deal. They're proactively
doing this. And then going back to what you said
about California, that's definitely a place where you can't like
get away with it. I mean, I mean, I'm here
(08:19):
in Louisiana, a fairly freedom loving place where they almost
give you the benefit of the doubt, and if you
had to use your gun and a self defense encounter,
you probably also are going to get a little bit
of the benefit of the doubt or and kind of
go okay, you know, we we're okay with that. We
want good citizens doing good things. But in a place
like California, you are not right.
Speaker 1 (08:42):
No, you're exactly right. And I want to say real quick,
since you're in Louisiana, you can pay me for this
appearance of disappearance in bou Dain balls and that tufe.
I just want to say that. But back to your point,
you're right. See, this is a problem when people will
ask why why don't you accept common sense gun control
(09:02):
or moderate gun control, Because if you start accepting those
things in they're neither common sense nor moderate. But if
you start accepting them, pretty soon you have what you
have in California, where you have so many statutes and
regulations that if they slow roll the permit like they're doing,
you literally cannot carry a weapon to defend yourself your life.
(09:24):
Your life is indefensible for that period of time. And
so this is why I fight gun control at all levels,
tooth and nail. And in my opinion, what constitutional carry
has done has exposed the concealed carry permit as one
of the most egregious gun controls in existence because basically
you see it California in Los Angeles County, where they
(09:47):
have to beg their government for permission to exercise the
right to bear arms. Do you think our founders ever
dreamed we would have to beg the government to exercise
a right that they were never supposed to infringe, right,
It's crazy?
Speaker 2 (10:03):
Yeah, I mean you think about it. If you had
to go take a class and get a permission slip
to exercise freedom of religion, would that be okay?
Speaker 1 (10:14):
Right? No, you're exactly our freedom of speech or freedom
of you know, the ability to own property that the
government couldn't just usurp and keep their soldiers in or on. Yeah,
it's crazy. And I think when you do what you
just did, when you look at other freedoms and you
use the idea of a permitting process for that, people
(10:36):
go wait, wait, that doesn't make sense because I think
somehow in our psyche we've gotten used to having to
get a permit to carry a gun. We've got to
get past that. Yeah, But I think when you shifted
to other rights like you did, people kind of go, wait, wait,
this is correct. Why do I have to get a
permit to exercise a god given right?
Speaker 2 (10:57):
Look, we can't let anybody go to try from practice religion.
We you know, there needs to be some parameters, some
training that we're gonna give these people before they just
start practicing religion all over the place. Like, we got
to make sure that they're approved to practice religion.
Speaker 1 (11:16):
Right, because if they're not approved, they might not do
it correctly.
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Speaker 1 (13:39):
In my opinion, they are because they're unnatural. And you know,
anything that is unnatural runs counter to natural law, natural rights,
and ultimately the author of natural natural rights, Thomas Jefferson,
would put that author as our creator. So I believe,
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in my opinion, anything like a gun free zone which
undercuts my ability to defend my life self defense is natural.
The inability to conduct self defense is unnatural. So I
believe a gun free zone is unnatural.
Speaker 2 (14:20):
It's strange because I'll i'll try to do a mental
exercise and let me just try to see the other
side and try to understand it, and with the intention
of learning how to battle it, not really seeking to
get on board with it. But I can't wrap my
brain around any type of logic of why a gun
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free zone would exist.
Speaker 1 (14:44):
Why I can't either accept it makes it makes the people.
When we began our time together today, we talked about
the difference between logic and rationale versus emotion. It makes
people that operate off emotion feel good, but feel good
until someone attacks you in a gun free zone. Then
you don't feel very good because suddenly you can't do
(15:05):
what comes natural, which is defend your own life. So
gun free zones are very dangerous. And besides that, I would,
I believe you use the language, I would argue that
they're immoral because unnatural.
Speaker 2 (15:18):
I mean, you think about it. I obviously they're saying, well,
bad things happen at churches, so we need to create
a gun free zone. That's that's one of the prohibited
areas for concealed carry. Except that you're assuming that people
carrying guns into a church are only bad people. And
I think that's one of the default places where they
(15:40):
come from, is well, a lot of these is like, well,
assuming that the carrier of a gun is a bad guy.
And actually probably most times it's not.
Speaker 1 (15:50):
Right right, And I think what you're also what they're
also doing, and they're not thinking about it. They're responding
to an attack and a gun free zone by wanting
to directly or in directly enlarge the gun for his owne. Well,
that's just providing a bigger target, it doesn't. You have
to stop and think why did they choose this target? Now,
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it may be that the person harbors a particular degree
of hatred for a certain faith, But in my experience,
there's also going to be a second reason there, and
it's going to be that that person figured out security
was low or nonexistent and that they could carry out
their attack without fear of being with bullets flying back
(16:31):
at them. And we have to create a world where
people understand if you come to attack children or are
churchgoers or whoever, Walmart shoppers, I don't hear it, then
you are going to face perhaps more bullets than you're launching.
We have to create that world, and if we do that,
people will understand we're going to have to find new
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targets because churches and schools no longer that's not a
good target anymore.
Speaker 2 (16:56):
Yeah, I mean, typically when they show up, they're assuming
no one is armed and no one shooting back. Otherwise
they wouldn't go there for the most part.
Speaker 1 (17:06):
Right, You're exactly right. Well, if you look if you
look at the Minnesota or excuse me, Minneapolis shooter. August
twenty seventh, he had written in his journal about his
admiration for the Aurora Theater shooter that was in twenty twelve,
and the Aurora theater shooter had worked extensively to find
a theater that was gun free, so that to your point,
(17:29):
when he went in that theater to start shooting, no
one could shoot back. He was the only one with
a gun. There's something weird in the psyche of these shooters.
It's their one power trip. It's their one opportunity to
have the power. They feel like people have held over
their heads. They're whole, like you see that time and again,
and maybe someone could study that and figure it out.
(17:51):
But the quicker solution that's necessary is when they would
pull a gun, they need to face about six guns
and figure out this was a bad decision and I'm
not going to hurt anybody, but they're going to hurt me.
If we can develop that, then we can end these attacks.
Speaker 2 (18:08):
Yeah, well said, what areas are you seeing that? Citizens
are doing a good job as far as working on
the gun right side and making some progress maybe at
the state level or on a national level.
Speaker 1 (18:28):
Well, I mean I think, well, Florida, where you see
now open Carrie, you know that's a result of a lawsuit,
not the result of the legislature. You know, Governor DeSantis,
he ripped into the Florida GOP because they had every
opportunity in the majority and they would not enact open carry,
and it took lawsuits to do it, and that was
(18:49):
finally secured. So I do believe you see in the
gun owning populace, you see lawsuits that had been very effective.
We see gun control, especially in California, a little at
a time, and there's so much of it that it
may be hard to notice, but a little at a time,
California's gun control is being peeled back via lawsuits. And
(19:12):
these are gun owners filing suits with the help of
Second Amendment Foundation, Firearms Policy Coalition, the NRA.
Speaker 2 (19:21):
So I see that too.
Speaker 1 (19:23):
I believe in the groups, those three groups that I
just named, you see in a proactive, preemptive mentality that
even if we back up ten years ago, I don't
know if we would have seen it to this degree.
And so I am really heartened by that. Plus, I
believe when we look at our legislature, although I don't
(19:44):
believe we hold a big enough majority. I wish we
had more. But if you look at a rep. Like
Eli Crane, you look at representatives like him, they're fearless.
You can't mock them into submission. You'll remember a few
decades ago, we would have what we would consider a
strong Republican majority and you could almost say boot and
they would scamper all. They're so damn worried to say,
(20:07):
boo to Eli Creme, you better get ready for the
blow because it's coming. And uh. And so I think
we've done well electing better people uh to to office
as well. And these are all encouraging things to me
because they have long lasting effects.
Speaker 2 (20:25):
It's a great way to put it. We're we're also
encouraging better people to run for office. I think some
of those folks said I've had enough, and maybe they're
fed up or they've been encouraged by somebody to go
ahead and run for office. And you're right, those are
those are people getting elected who are not worried about
being liked, They're not worried about being invited to all
(20:46):
the parties in DC. They're just gonna do their thing.
They're going to do the right thing. And yeah they're not.
They're not frightened by some other politicians. And you know,
going back to California, there's been some surprises. I mean,
you think about some wins out of the Ninth Circuit
which have been like, what the and this has happened
(21:08):
several times over the last few years. You go, wait,
this is a this is a positive decision for guns
coming out of the Ninth which is just bonkers. I
think it also goes to we used to kind of
seem to be more focused on the legislation part of it,
and the strategy for a while has been a little
(21:29):
bit more getting ground through lawsuits.
Speaker 1 (21:33):
I agree with you, and I believe I believe that
focus has also upped the passion to people because they're
seeing rewards. I think for a long time we saw
people fight, and we encourage people to fight. You would
encourage them, your dad would encourage them. I would encourage them.
Then they would fight, but it seemed for no end
(21:53):
or no avail. And now, as you're saying, even with
a even with a appeals court that we used to
call the Ninth Circus is now coming through so often
it's unbelievable. And again, these are all because of the
way elections. Elections have consequences voting putting in the right president.
(22:13):
I remember during Trump's first term, a lot of people
didn't pay attention, but he was setting the judicial pathway
for what we are reaping today. He was setting us
up perfectly. He's still doing it. But you know, it
is so important that we vote for the right people
at those higher offices because we have to keep in mind,
(22:35):
whoever we put in there is going to control the
landscape of the court for the foreseeable future. Thank God,
and I say that literally, thank God that Trump is
the man doing that.
Speaker 2 (22:46):
Yeah, I mean, and putting those judges in place at
the circuit level, at the Supreme Court level that has
decades long effect.
Speaker 1 (22:55):
Well, you think, where would we be. I don't want
to go down this rabbit hole vote. I have thought
about it many times after any one of these high
profile shootings we've had. Where would we be if we
had a Harris administration with a court system where she
was appointing justices. I mean, it would literally be scary
where we would be. But we're not there because we
(23:17):
happen to have a freedom loving administration that respects the Constitution,
and it's wild to me. I wish my dad. My
dad died in twenty fourteen, and I think so often
he was a combat bet. I wish he lived to
see this, because this he would have been the happiest
American alive right now. He would have thought, Man, I
(23:39):
didn't fight in vain. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (23:41):
Well, I mean, there's a lot of people who are
freedom loving who are a little bit beside themselves gone.
This is really happening.
Speaker 1 (23:49):
It's wild. But you know, the thing is our Second
Amendments being restored. I tried to cover that when I
spoke at Gun Rights Policy conference. You have these leftists
that say, well, we have the Supreme Court creating rights
in Heller or creating rights in MacDonald or whatever. They're
not creating rights. They're reaffirming rights, rights that have always
(24:11):
been there but have been suppressed. And we've been waiting
for a day like this when the judiciary was set
correctly so that they could stand up and go, wait,
enough of this. We need to reaffirm. There is a
right to have a gun in the home for self defense.
There is a right to carry a gun outside the
home for self defense. There is a there, and it's
(24:32):
a beautiful day. No one's creating rights. These rights existed
before Thomas Jefferson was even thought of by his mother.
And all that's happening now is we are reaffirming the
rights that our founders risked everything to secure. That's all
that's happening is a great day.
Speaker 2 (24:51):
Well, it's respect for our founding fathers too, when we
reaffirm that. I mean, it's so incredibly in disregarding and
disrespectful when they just say no, never mind, I don't
care what they.
Speaker 1 (25:01):
Said, it really is, And that's the I don't know
how to say it. You know, we used to be
a postmodern society about eight years ago. I think we're
post postmodern now. And in the post postmodern, you're right,
we just fluff it off. Who cares? What they said
doesn't matter to me, and we've made them so unimportant
in academia and elsewhere. But I don't know about you.
(25:23):
I feel like I'm seeing a restoration of respect for
the founders in our country and a reinvigoration to read
about our founders. Read what they wrote, not read what
someone says they wrote, but what did they write? It's
easy to find they go read it, and I believe
it is giving us a new love for freedom.
Speaker 2 (25:42):
Also, do you think that people see some progress on
this side and they're more willing to be vocal about
these freedoms and their beliefs, not feeling like they're going
to get shut down or shouted down, right, I do.
Speaker 1 (25:57):
I believe that through the new media, through podcasts like
yours again, radio shows like your dad's, you know our
radio program at bright Bark that's on the XM, different things,
the voice has gotten so much bigger. We used to
be drowned out. Soros are people like him. They could
(26:20):
rent a few buses or do whatever and always either
have us out numbered or at least have bigger and
better microphone systems, and they could drown us out. They
can't do it anymore. Yeah, they can't dround us out.
They really can't. And I believe you're right. I believe
that emboldens people on our side. Not it bolds them
to do evil or incorrect things, but it emboldens them
(26:41):
to stand up for the truth and to stand up
for freedom. And I think that's very important.
Speaker 2 (26:47):
Well, it's almost a little bit of an irony, perhaps
that we have these new voices or new ways to
get our voice out there that were created by Silicon Valley.
Speaker 1 (27:00):
Right, you're exactly right. Well, you look, one of our
big ways is X formally Twitter, and I mean it's
hard to believe how free the speech on X has
become in the past few years. Credit of course to
Elon for he is jealous for free speech, and thank
(27:23):
god he is. And but that has created a platform
that goes to your point again, that has created a
platform in X. We're people who under Jack the former
owner or at least CEO under him, they were squashed
if they spoke something he didn't agree with. Elon wants
(27:43):
you to say something he doesn't agree with. Please, please
be free in your speech. And that is the America
we need.
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deal for us to have big platforms out there that
people can have a voice and call out the truth
and call out the BS. And I'm going full circle
back onto talking about the facts and the truth on
our side. It's hard to argue with that when you
just keep pointing it out and people actually can hear
(29:21):
what people are saying. It's an interesting thing too, because
i mean, you have a voice, you're you're a big
media guy, and we've got a podcast. But even the
regular guy who's a gun enthusiast. Everybody has an audience,
even even whether it's it's a huge audience or it's
kind of a small audience, to be able to carry
that message.
Speaker 1 (29:41):
Right, No, exactly right. X provides that and you see that.
I'll see somebody who's a follower of my account and
they'll type something. I'm like, that's pretty profound, you know.
I try to take time to respond and say, look,
this is it. You know, retweet it or reposted, and
you know you're exactly right it. The free marketplace of
(30:04):
ideas is a free marketplace for everyone, not just corporations,
not just newspapers or podcasts, but every gun owner. And
I think you're exactly right, and it's heartening, it's encouraging
for for every gun owner. We're at a different time
and we hit this place all of a sudden. It
didn't come without work, of course, but it's like everything
(30:28):
started paying dividends all of a sudden. We're in a
good place as freedom loving gun owners.
Speaker 2 (30:33):
Well, and you also have to make hay while the
sun is shining, this may not be the case in
four years or eight years or whatever it might be.
So we got to keep the ground and maybe gain
some ground while we can in this spot.
Speaker 1 (30:48):
Right I agree with you, you know we have to.
That's why right now I'm going to focus on Pennsylvania
where they're trying to push Democrats are trying to push
gun control. We've got to defeat that, defeat it now,
and defeat it in a way that they all think
we're not going to bring this back up for a while.
And you know, we need to keep fighting. And I
(31:09):
want to do a search on states. I don't really
know how many states lack a preemption law. I want
preemption laws in every state controlled by Republicans at this moment.
And for I know your listeners know, but for those
who don't, a preemption law it prevents a state. It
prevents municipalities from passing gun controls that exceed those at
(31:31):
the state level. And when you can get pre emption
laws in place, they are a check so that if
the Conservatives lose control that state for an election or two,
that does not provide an opportunity for the biggest cities
of that state to enact gun control. So there are
things like that I believe we need to do looking forward,
just to your point, because we are, we're working in
(31:53):
those hayfields while the sun's out. So let's get let's
get everything we can get done while the sun is shining. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (32:00):
And just to add to the preemption talk, I mean,
how many of us talk about these states where it's
the tail that wags the dog. You know, the whole
state is very conservative minded, except that there's this big
metro area and it's this big city who has the population. Maybe,
but then they want to make their own gun laws,
which people are where like, oh, Chicago has bad gun laws. Well,
(32:23):
if you have preemption in place in your state, they
can't pull that crap. I mean New Orleans tried to
pull it, and you can't do it. Like we have
a horrible mayor in New Orleans horrible crime issue because
she's horrible and she's saying, well, we need special gun
laws here, and that didn't fly at the state level
because they're going, whoa, whoa, whoa, No, you can't do that.
(32:43):
So that's a good point. That's an area where, especially
if you're in a state that it has the votes
at the state level, that you could get something done
that would be a fairly permanent fix for anything else
in the future.
Speaker 1 (32:59):
Right as are lucky too, fortunate. I should say, you
have Governor Landry. What a great governor you're talking about
pro gun, Yeah, Lee, I mean I do wonder if
his if his mom wrapped him in a Smith and
Weston blanket when he was born. I mean, the guy
is so pro gun. I love him. I've spent quite
a bit of time with him, and uh, just love him.
(33:20):
You got you're so fortunate to have, you know, we
have we have Jeff Landry, we have Greg Abbott, we
have Kevin Stitt in Oklahoma. You have around the country,
you have Governor DeSantis and Forida around the country. You
have some remarkable governors right now and they're getting it done.
That's something else. You can have the imports of those
(33:42):
googlenatorial races.
Speaker 2 (33:44):
Yes, and and when you can have a strong governor.
And then you get the attorney general and they're they're
tag team in that thing. You got some attorney generals
that are kicking butt left and right and very outspoken.
And it's interesting we're in this world where now you
have attorney attorney's general is getting together and coordinating efforts
(34:04):
and they're gaining ground, not just really inside their borders,
but kind of gaining ground across the country because they're
exchanging ideas.
Speaker 1 (34:14):
I think, right, yeah, well you have you know, you
have Attorney General Austin canuts And in Montana, and he
and twenty six other states they're they're pushing, urging the
Supreme Court to take up a case that would allow
the Supreme Court to remind people that ammunition magazines that
(34:35):
hold more than ten rounds are protected by the Second Amendment.
Not just not just that they're legal or we should
have an ability to own them. No, no, no, that they
are protected by the Second Amendment. And it's to your
point this twenty seven states pushing for this and this
this is a that's another when you asked me a
while back, what are what are some encouraging things? This
(34:57):
is super encouraging to see Austin and other attorney generals
rallying together to do that. Very encouraging. And it's a
day that I did. I saw it coming, but I
didn't see it coming as quickly as I'm glad it's here.
Speaker 2 (35:10):
Yeah, let's let's not put our take our foot off
the gas on this stuff, on the elections and the
gun rights part. For everybody listening, we can we can
all high five and enjoy that there is some progress
being made, but there's always those areas that we can
keep pushing on. Aw R, thanks for being with us, man,
this has been fun.
Speaker 1 (35:29):
Thank you. I love being with you, and I hope,
I hope you and your father continue to enjoy great success.
Speaker 2 (35:36):
Yeah, and you guys, uh go check him out on
Breitbart and all the things he's doing. He's a he's
a good thinker on the Second Amendment, and uh man,
I just appreciate it. It's been fun. Everybody listening. That's it
for us. We'll see you next time on gun tog Nation.
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