November 8, 2025 • 40 mins
Have you ever felt burned out from hunting—or worried the thrill is starting to fade? You’re not alone. In this episode of Gun Talk Hunt, host Kevin “KJ” Jarnagin is joined by Whiskey & Windage podcast hosts Mike Perkins and Matt Brass, along with Gun Talk’s Chris Cerino, for a raw and honest conversation about losing—and rediscovering—the drive to hunt.
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Gun Talk Media's Gun Talk Hunt, with Kevin “KJ” Jarnagin, pairs decades of experience with today’s latest tools and technology to help you succeed in the field. Whether it runs or flies - no matter what game you pursue - Gun Talk Hunt is a multi-platform podcast that gives today’s hunters a voice in the digital world.
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Gun Talk Media's Gun Talk Hunt, with Kevin “KJ” Jarnagin, pairs decades of experience with today’s latest tools and technology to help you succeed in the field. Whether it runs or flies - no matter what game you pursue - Gun Talk Hunt is a multi-platform podcast that gives today’s hunters a voice in the digital world.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Have you lost the drive to hunt? What does that
look like and how do you rejuvenate your spirit. We've
got Whiskey and Windage podcast along with Chris Reno of
gun Talk here on gun Talk.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
Hunt, I'm kJ. You found the right place. We go
all over this little blue.
Speaker 1 (00:19):
Orb, sharing stories and tactics about chasing wild game.
Speaker 3 (00:24):
Now let's get on the hunt.
Speaker 4 (00:29):
Welcome in to another gun Talk Hunt.
Speaker 1 (00:32):
I'm your host, kJ, and this episode is brought to
you by Savage Arms, Rimingtonamo and Range Ready Studios. Hey,
today's episode is more maybe you never lose it. Maybe
you never lose that drive for the hunt. Sometimes you
may lose it and you start finding yourself a rejuvenated
(00:54):
spirit for the outdoors. And that's what we're gonna talk
about today. We're gonna talk with Mike Perkins out of
Tennessee to Matt Brass out of Idaho, and they are
the duo that make up Whiskey and Windage podcasts and
we are excited to have them on. And we got
gun Talk's very own Chris Serno in studio. So without
(01:14):
further ado, let's jump in with Mike Perkins of the
Whiskey and Windage podcast Mike, how you doing, buddy.
Speaker 5 (01:22):
Man, I'm doing good. kJ How are you doing?
Speaker 4 (01:25):
I'm doing great?
Speaker 1 (01:26):
And I'm going to tell you right now, I was
on an episode of Whiskey and Windage and have an
absolute blast with you guys.
Speaker 3 (01:31):
And the way you guys have a.
Speaker 1 (01:33):
Way to line out how you operate with your guests
is absolutely phenomenal. If you guys haven't listened to it,
go check out Whiskey and Windage podcast because I promise
you you'll like what you hear.
Speaker 5 (01:45):
Appreciate that.
Speaker 1 (01:46):
But today we're not going to talk about Texas football.
We're not going to talk about Oklahoma getting it handed
to them by your Longhorns.
Speaker 4 (01:54):
So let's just end this right now.
Speaker 1 (01:57):
Texas is better than Oklahoma right now.
Speaker 5 (02:02):
All right, I'll take that coming good night.
Speaker 1 (02:05):
Right And that's all that's all from Mike Perkins, Like
get him out of here. No, we're talking about kind
of a rejuvenated spirit in the hunting and I've seen
this come from guys that maybe have burned out or
anything like that. And we talk about like reflections on
on what what made you almost quit? And I've got, man,
(02:25):
I've got so many of those stories. What do you
think about that, Mike, where where where does your mind
start to go when I say, like, uh, instances that
may have almost made you quit.
Speaker 5 (02:35):
Been there, done that?
Speaker 6 (02:38):
Man, I gotta I gotta say that when people talk
about their dear stories or their first time they harvest game.
Speaker 5 (02:46):
I'm one of the lucky ones, you know.
Speaker 6 (02:48):
Just to put it in perspective, I killed my first
buck at ten years old, which is the legal age
you can hunt in Tennessee, on the opening day of
the season, within the first fifteen minutes of first light.
Speaker 3 (03:03):
Dude, you're ruined.
Speaker 2 (03:04):
I know.
Speaker 5 (03:05):
So Like I had a great teacher, I had my dad.
Speaker 6 (03:08):
We hunt on private land, you know, he knows the
place like the back of his hand. And after I
shot it, he made the comment, you realize it took
me five years to harvest my first deer.
Speaker 5 (03:21):
And jokingly I was like, yeah, I did it in
fifteen minutes.
Speaker 6 (03:24):
Let's go to breakfast. And he was like, okay, So man,
I took it for granted. I've been there. I've never
hunted WMA or never hunted public land in my life.
Everywhere I hunt his private nothing is high fence, nothing
is baited. But there's not a day that I went
in the woods that unless the wind was bad, of
(03:46):
the weather was bad, I always saw deer always. And
so man, you take that stuff for granted because you
hear these stories. So yeah, I got burnt out because
I gave myself.
Speaker 5 (03:58):
The rule on my land.
Speaker 6 (04:00):
Blessed that I live on the land that I grew
up hunting on. You know, now it's I'm not going
to shoot anything unless it's bigger than one I've already shot.
So I kind of go out on this property and
just sleep, I.
Speaker 4 (04:13):
Mean naps almost did you in, man?
Speaker 5 (04:18):
Yeah, yeah, but you know it's tough.
Speaker 4 (04:20):
You know.
Speaker 6 (04:20):
I let other people come out and hunt. And if
you're a new hunter, or if you are someone who's
never killed a buck, you know, whatever walks by that
gets you excited, take it down. But if you're a
seasoned hunter, my rule is eight point or better. I
don't care how big the basket is. Give me eight
or better unless you see some funky rack deer walking by.
But it's like, man, you know, I want to I
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want to preserve this for the next generation, and I
want I find more fun now watching people go hunt,
whether it's deer or turkey, and actually being a part
of it and doing the calling or working with them
than actually pulling the trigger myself.
Speaker 3 (04:56):
Now, I don't know.
Speaker 5 (04:56):
I guess it's old.
Speaker 4 (04:58):
No, you're not getting old.
Speaker 1 (04:59):
I think it's just a a matter of the time
that we're we're in our hunting pace, because I mean,
when I moved down to Louisiana, man, going on like
eight years ago, it was it was a little bit
tougher for me because I was constant. I'm kind of
the same way, like I have a lease, I have
private land that's all connected and it's a beautiful hunting property.
(05:21):
And when I was driving up to Oklahoma, it's like
I was driving up by myself. I was doing all
this stuff and I'd go out and I'd spend a
weekend and then I'd be back in the office on Monday.
And that's twenty one twenty two plus hours of driving.
And that that near that could have ended it for me.
If my boys hadn't reached the age of being able
(05:46):
to hunt, that.
Speaker 3 (05:48):
Would that that could have sealed it for me.
Speaker 1 (05:51):
I wouldn't have gone maybe once a year, But man,
that makes such a difference to be able to drive
someone else, to know that they're gonna have a great
experience for me than anything else.
Speaker 6 (06:04):
Well, there's something to be said because although I grew
up hunting private land, my dad, his brother and all
their friends would still go put in for draws on
the public land and they would get it. And I
mean these guys would show up, I mean pulling up
in like cousin Eddie.
Speaker 5 (06:20):
Style RVs and all this stuff.
Speaker 6 (06:23):
And they would hunt and maybe one of them would
shoot a dough maybe.
Speaker 5 (06:29):
But I was always like, this is boring. We're not
killing deer. Why are we here? And I wouldn't want
to go.
Speaker 6 (06:34):
But the older I get, the more I realize it's
not just about the time you sit behind the trigger.
It's building those relationships and hanging out for a few
days around the campfire, eating horrible camp food most of
the time, and just sharing those stories and having those laughs.
And it's a way to unplug and to grow together.
Speaker 3 (06:54):
Man, it really is.
Speaker 1 (06:57):
And when you lead right into the next thing like
the value of an unplugged hunt, and what does that mean,
Like we're unplugging from society, we're unplugging from our phones,
We're spending time and enjoying the outdoors that rarely happens
because there was a time when you could just step
outside the city limits and you would have zero cell service.
(07:19):
Those days are gone. You have cell service everywhere everywhere.
You get a starlink and you'll have it in the mountains, like,
and you're not unplugged, Like, that's no longer unplugging for me.
Anytime you can reach me is I mean, it's everywhere,
And I missed the value of that.
Speaker 3 (07:36):
What do you think?
Speaker 5 (07:37):
I think there's something to be said for that.
Speaker 6 (07:40):
You know, now, when I hear about hunters going in
the woods, you know, it's like they get up there
an hour before daylight and they're in there, not making
a sound, and they've got their air pods in and
they're playing Candy Crush or something on their phone, waiting
waiting for the sun to come up. And you're like, Okay,
I guess that's cool if that's what you do. So
you're you know, I'm adhd man, I'm gonna move, I'm
(08:02):
gonna I'm gonna fidget.
Speaker 5 (08:03):
So if that keeps you still, that's great.
Speaker 6 (08:06):
But you're actually going out there just to hunt, you're
not actually going out there to unplug. And that's fine,
But I like to unplug and become one with nature
and just kind of watch watch the chipmunks of the
squirrels that bark at you when you think that you know, like, hey,
surely nothing's gonna see me up here, and of course
you got like four squirrels alert in you and all
(08:26):
that stuff.
Speaker 5 (08:26):
But it's that's part. That's part of the fun.
Speaker 1 (08:29):
Yeah, it it is. I mean, I said, man, it's
just so hard for me. I can unplug very easily.
Ask like my wife, like she will not hear from
me during a hunt, like she just knows like he's
he's not accessible, there's no way. But but on the
other end, like I will plug back in if it's
(08:51):
gonna benefit me on a on a buck, like if
I have to go over to ONYX or something like
that and go, okay, hey, what's the best route. How's
the wind? Like if I go out here, what's the
wind going to do over in this?
Speaker 3 (09:03):
Like draw Like that's.
Speaker 1 (09:04):
When I start plugging in and being thankful that I
do have service.
Speaker 5 (09:09):
No, that's true. That is true. I mean I guess
it also depends on the type of hunting you're doing.
Speaker 6 (09:14):
I mean, if you're hunting in an area that's super thick,
and you've only got two or three shooting lanes, and
you've planned on sitting there all day, and you've already
missed the.
Speaker 5 (09:23):
First active part of the day.
Speaker 6 (09:25):
And you're somewhere you know that that mid mornings already
came through, so the big bucks have already walked through again.
You know, it's like, all right, what do I do
between lunch and two o'clock in the afternoon. I don't
want to get down. I'm like, you know, I guess
it's cool in moderation, but I don't know. I mean,
it's to each their own. I guess it's just I'm
not that well.
Speaker 1 (09:45):
I'll tell you this much is, if you're sitting up
in a tree stand, the best thing to do is
hang your your safety strap is about as high as
you can get where right as you sit down on
your seat. It adds a little bit of cushion to you,
and you take a nap, you go to sleep, and
just be quiet, because you will. You'll you'll find yourself.
(10:06):
What I find is you'll start tuning in and you'll
hear more like if you're just completely unplugged and you're
sitting there very still, if a deer's walking by, You're
gonna hear that deer.
Speaker 5 (10:19):
Yeah, I probably shouldn't nap.
Speaker 4 (10:21):
Then you're out Like it's just.
Speaker 6 (10:24):
Like yeah, like I'll just I'll either sleep or I'll
probably snore and scare everything in the woods.
Speaker 5 (10:28):
I don't know one way or the other. Something will happen.
Speaker 1 (10:30):
So what's your preferred So when you unplug and when
you get back in the woods every year, what's this
hunting style that you go for? You say you're a
little bit adhd. So are you a spot in stock guy? No?
Speaker 6 (10:43):
So see, like I said, I really hunt private land.
So you know, if you've ever hunted in Tennessee, it's thick. Uh,
there's it's thick. I mean you've got honeysuckle, you've got
all the different low brush.
Speaker 5 (10:56):
So hundred yard shot in Tennessee.
Speaker 6 (10:59):
Unless you're hunting some one's field is is it's a
long shot because it's so thick. So you basically get
up in a tree and you sit there. So it's
more like Cadillac deer stands like the big box, fully enclosed,
sitting there because you're not gonna stalk. There's too many leaves,
there's too many branches, they're gonna hear you. There's too
(11:21):
many hills. They're gonna see you an one hundred yard shot.
So it's not like out west where you can, you know,
walk to this ridge line and not mess up what
you're doing.
Speaker 5 (11:30):
Like if you move, they all see you. So it's
you just sit down, shut up, and be quiet way
for they walk by.
Speaker 1 (11:35):
Makes sense, man, it definitely makes sense. All right, Hey, Mike. Thanks,
We're gonna get you back in at the end of
the show.
Speaker 3 (11:42):
But that's out.
Speaker 1 (11:43):
Let's head out to Idaho with Matt Brass.
Speaker 3 (11:46):
Matt, how you doing, dude?
Speaker 7 (11:49):
I am really good.
Speaker 3 (11:51):
kJ.
Speaker 7 (11:51):
I appreciate you having me.
Speaker 8 (11:53):
Good to see you.
Speaker 1 (11:55):
Well, I'm glad you don't share the same I hope
you don't share the same sentiments about the Longhorns as
your cohort Mike Perkins over there at Whiskey Windage.
Speaker 8 (12:05):
Look, if if you want to see me awkward and
out of place, try and include me in a football conversation.
Speaker 7 (12:14):
I just sportballs.
Speaker 8 (12:16):
As a waste of a good gun range.
Speaker 3 (12:19):
Honestly, Oh my gosh.
Speaker 4 (12:20):
Yeah, that guess how I feel about golf courses.
Speaker 1 (12:22):
Like it's just a yeah, yeah, Like that'd be cooler
if you were like shooting some targets down those ranges. Yeah,
so we're talking about rejuvenated and rejuvenated spirits like new guns,
new grounds. Like you're out in Idaho, so you're out west,
so you have a totally different experience than Mike and myself,
(12:44):
Chris Sereno, and a lot of others across the country.
So what, uh, what's the vibe hunting for you when
you head out to the rain or head out and
hunt public land. I'm guessing right.
Speaker 7 (13:00):
Yes, almost exclusive.
Speaker 8 (13:02):
I've never hunted anything that wasn't public land, and the
majority of hunters.
Speaker 7 (13:08):
Out here it is public land.
Speaker 8 (13:10):
And we're in the state of Idaho. We're really blessed
that our state protects a lot of that puts a
lot of it aside for citizens to be able to
use for pretty much whatever they want.
Speaker 7 (13:24):
But it also is it's pretty big country.
Speaker 3 (13:28):
It's big.
Speaker 7 (13:29):
There's a lot of it.
Speaker 4 (13:31):
There's a lot of it.
Speaker 1 (13:32):
But like narrowing down where you get, I mean, the
longer you're there, the more you get out in the woods,
the more familiar are going to become. Whether you're talking
thermals or just terrain and what temperatures and thermals do
to an area. But that's one of the bigger challenges,
as I think, is getting people out into new areas,
because anymore you working from a remote, like doing a
(13:57):
remote job like that, you can do from your home,
and you on how you can live wherever you want.
I think it's placed a little bit newer challenge to
those hunters looking to get back into hunting and looking
to find their way back into the woods. And how
would you how would you address those folks that get
to a new area that are a little bit intimidated
(14:18):
by public land because maybe they've hunted private all along
and they've moved out.
Speaker 3 (14:22):
Of state, they've moved to a new area.
Speaker 1 (14:25):
What advice would you give them?
Speaker 7 (14:28):
Have a good pair of boots.
Speaker 4 (14:30):
Like, what's your going for? I'll have what's your go
to pair of boots?
Speaker 8 (14:35):
Honestly my hunting boots. I'm usually I'm usually wearing danners.
Speaker 7 (14:39):
Of some sort.
Speaker 8 (14:40):
Yeah, Like I'm a good quality not not not too expensive,
but I only have to buy I'm not I'm not
the great white hunter of the North, you know, but
I do get to spend some time out in the
out in the country and and I've been wearing danners
for about a decade, so I mean, but have a good,
(15:00):
good set of boots and and be willing to put
some miles on really.
Speaker 1 (15:05):
Man, But that's so that that to me, that's intimidating,
Like if I'm to an area, man, it's like, that's
why I like, I'm not kidding and I am not
sponsored by on X. I am a firm believer in
on X. Man, they never failed me. I'm dropping way
points like breadcrumbs, except they never leave.
Speaker 8 (15:25):
So right, Yeah, on X It's a powerful tool out here,
for sure. There's a lot of a lot of ground
to cover. Well, how good and good glass?
Speaker 1 (15:38):
Yes, I aim into that. My gosh, we were looking
through a pair of Zeis glass yesterday and holy crap,
it's absolutely incredible. Like how far glass has come nowadays
is unbelievable. No, take your pick. If you're spending quite
a bit of money on some optics, like you're gonna
get great glass. But so the challenges that we've discussed
(16:01):
the boots, like getting a good pair of boots, like
how has that played a role in how you get
out and hunt?
Speaker 8 (16:08):
Honestly, it plays a huge role. And having just all
around having decent gear, especially this time of year in Idaho,
there's lots of temperature change, and all across the west
and the further northview you go, of course the worst
that it is, but temperature change. It can get cold
(16:29):
real fast, it can get wet real fast. It could
then immediately get hot real fast. And so gear, good gear,
good layers, good pair of boots. All that stuff is
really important. And it almost also can't be done without machinery.
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A four wheeler or a side by side is all
most a necessity, especially if there is an animal down
You might be. You might be ten twelve miles in
the backwoods trying to move an eight hundred pound elk,
and like you need you need the equipment to do it.
Speaker 1 (17:09):
Man, you haven't, Like, you haven't said one thing that
I'm like, Oh, man, I would hate to do that.
Like even don't give me a vehicle, don't give me
a side by side. Hiking an elk out if you're
ten to twelve miles back does sound fun.
Speaker 7 (17:24):
I'm not that guy. I'm not him. I am I'm not.
I gotta be honest, I'm not him. I need the
four wheeler, man or a horse.
Speaker 4 (17:33):
Just give me a horse like a horse.
Speaker 8 (17:35):
Yeah, there's we still have a lot of mule skinners
out here. Mule skinning is a real thing, and there's
guys that run that breed and run mule teams specifically
for packing game animals.
Speaker 1 (17:46):
And there's is that something that you can you can
have You can hire those dudes, right yep yep.
Speaker 8 (17:52):
So if you're up here hunting this way looking to
shoot a trophy bull elk, you will probably first off
need a guide. But that guy, he's probably gonna know
a mule breeder.
Speaker 1 (18:04):
I will say, have them lined up before season.
Speaker 7 (18:08):
Like.
Speaker 1 (18:08):
So that's one of my tips I give everybody whoever
comes through here is doing an out of state hunt.
Plan ahead, look up shipping services for your meat, taxidermist,
local area processor if you need it. And mule skinners
are the same way. If you're going to hire a
team to come out there, they need to know that
there is a possibility that you are going to be
(18:29):
on their radar. Man contact local game wardens, like talk
to them about rules regulations, where you can where you
can't go if you've already mapped out that area. Those
are a few challenges that guys get up there and
they don't think about they don't think about, Okay, well
what if I am successful?
Speaker 3 (18:49):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (18:50):
Wait what if?
Speaker 7 (18:51):
Really?
Speaker 1 (18:52):
Sometimes because it seems like like so it seems like
like guys that dream of hunting out West, they they
dream of success. They don't dream of the hardships that
go along with it. And that's where, like the miles
you put on your legs and everything that takes a toll.
Because my first hunt in Idaho did not go how
I thought it was going to go. It's straight up
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like there was no flat ground present. It's hard hunting
and it.
Speaker 7 (19:20):
Can be very hard.
Speaker 1 (19:22):
Oh yeah, like it absolutely can be. And that's why,
like you know, listen to the Whiskey and Winded podcast.
You'll start learning a little bit more about what the
terrain's like, and you'll hear a little bit of insight.
Speaker 3 (19:35):
From from Mike and Matt.
Speaker 1 (19:37):
Like like, you've got to put yourself in that mindset,
that winning mindset, and part of that is like taking
that hunt from start to finish of all the what ifs,
is that something hunter you find that hunters don't often do.
Speaker 7 (19:50):
Matt, I think it's kind of a mixed bag.
Speaker 8 (19:56):
So people who grew up here and understand that, uh,
understand that way of hunting. It's a it's a complete
lifestyle here I personally grew up. I grew up in Idaho,
but not in a family of of hunters, and so
I didn't start hunting until my early twenties. And in
(20:18):
my personal experience, it's definitely something that I didn't plan
for of Hey, you know, I'm going to walk a
lot further than I thought I was going to. Most
of the deer that I'm going to see are not
the deer that I imagined in my mind that I would find.
And when I do down an animal, like, how do
I get this out of here by myself?
Speaker 5 (20:40):
Yea?
Speaker 8 (20:41):
So it's uh, the planning is really important. And and
I'm an idiot, so I learned the hard way.
Speaker 7 (20:47):
But that's why I know me.
Speaker 8 (20:52):
That's why I know I'm not gonna I don't. I
don't want to be ten miles in and drop a
bowl elk without a four wheeler.
Speaker 7 (20:57):
I know, I don't.
Speaker 1 (20:58):
I know, I don't, Matt, I'm the opposite it, like,
I'm just dumb enough to go do it and then go, well,
I guess I gotta deal with this now. I'm not
not smart enough to think ahead. So you're actually smarter
than you know.
Speaker 7 (21:13):
But you're tough enough to get it done. Regardless. They say,
if you're gonna be dumb, you gotta be tough.
Speaker 9 (21:20):
I don't know if to take that as an insult,
it's a compliment, but well played if it was either then,
but yeah, it's it's something that you got to think
about the forethought and don't let don't let the your nerves,
I guess is kind of don't let your nerves or
nervousness of experiencing something get you out of hunting.
Speaker 1 (21:44):
Let it rejuvenate your soul into new and exciting things.
I guess it's kind of how i'd bring that around.
Speaker 8 (21:52):
I'd say, I'd say, don't definitely don't let it scare you,
scare you off, but.
Speaker 7 (21:57):
But do also come with an education of life.
Speaker 4 (22:01):
Uh, you know out.
Speaker 8 (22:02):
West Montana, Wyoming, Idaho, Nevada, we have huge bucks, we
have huge elk, and the animals get huge because they've
never seen a human before. So to find an animal
like that, you're gonna have to go places people don't
usually go, and you could be rewarded with a trophy.
But it's not all it's not all fun and games.
The large majority of it is hard, hard work.
Speaker 3 (22:24):
Yeah, you're gonna ride the struggle.
Speaker 7 (22:26):
Bus YEP, ride the struggle bus YEP.
Speaker 4 (22:29):
It's just something we all have to ride on.
Speaker 1 (22:31):
We write it together, but every once in a while
we let a couple off to have some success. All Right,
we're gonna jump in here with a break and when
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Speaker 1 (25:11):
We're gonna talk hunt and we've got Chris Serno in
studio talking about a rejuvenated spirit for the hunt. Chris,
you and I kind of like melded together into a
beautiful teaching union and it rejuvenated your spirit.
Speaker 11 (25:28):
Talk through that it did, and honestly that sounded a
little weird to me, right. Teaching hunter education has really
helped my passion come back, especially you know, relocating to
Louisiana not knowing what to do down here. And what
that hunter education class did for me was not only
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make me excited about hunting because you see all these
bright young faces, but it also educated me because I'm
learning more about Louisiana's hunting laws and rule and when
you when you don't understand anything, you get intimidated.
Speaker 1 (26:04):
Right, Well, it's it's an easy thing to do, and
you see it, you see it on the other side,
on the training side of things. But like when you
lose a an interest in hunting or it just doesn't
seem like a I'm not saying it should be a priority,
but it loses its luster, like it's gotta there's got
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to be a catalyst for like that rejuvenation.
Speaker 11 (26:29):
Well, the people you hang around with, the area you're in,
of course, because you know, if I was in the city,
it would I wouldn't probably have been this easy. But
I'm out in the country obviously, and I have you
and I have really cool people I get to hang
around with.
Speaker 3 (26:44):
But what is it?
Speaker 11 (26:46):
What is it that I truly loved about being in
the woods and hunting?
Speaker 3 (26:52):
What was it? And it was seeing by yourself?
Speaker 11 (26:56):
Well you know, I I mean, I mean, you do
in enjoy those quiet times, and as your life gets busier,
sometimes those quiet times are bad because your brain's working
on and it's thinking about it. But what did I
truly love I'll tell you what, Watching the woods wake up,
watching the woods go to sleep. And you know, and
I've been listening to these guys talk and I can't
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remember which one said something about, you know, taking a
nap between lunch.
Speaker 3 (27:21):
And two, lunch and two.
Speaker 11 (27:23):
Okay, I can't tell you how many deer I've shot
between ten and two because of all the people walking
in and out of the woods, especially if you're in
public areas. I mean, people get cold, they get frigid,
they want to eat, they got to.
Speaker 3 (27:37):
Go, they gotta go potty, all that stuff. And I
tell you that's my high alert time.
Speaker 1 (27:44):
Oh yeah, well, I mean that's high alert time. But
because animals do tend to start to move a little
bit later, depending on time of year, like early season,
I've found that they're going to move early just determined
temperatures and hunting pressure, and you know, they're not used
to having all those that pressure on them.
Speaker 3 (28:06):
And then the later in.
Speaker 1 (28:06):
The season that goes, they move back because it's the
breeding season. They're chasing, they're they're they're chasing down those ladies.
But I just I go back to, like us teaching
hunter's education, and it's such an easy way to give back.
Speaker 3 (28:23):
I find.
Speaker 1 (28:24):
I don't know what you think, but it's it's easier
for me to give back that way.
Speaker 3 (28:29):
And I do. I try to take at least.
Speaker 1 (28:31):
Two to three new hunters a year, like if they
haven't been out or they haven't been out in a while.
Like that was the that's one of the coolest things.
And I took a guy out once, like you'll enjoy
this story. So he has never hunted, always kind of
had an interest in it, but no one to take him.
So I take him and he shoots a dough. I
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was just like, hey, come out for a special dough season.
I'll shoot a doe. And he shoots it, and I'm like, hey,
I got to go get the truck. I'm going to
leave you here. I'll be right back. Like I get
back and he's just standing over this deer with his
hand on it, and I can tell that like he is,
he is emotional, like he he has shook, like because
he knows that he he.
Speaker 3 (29:16):
He ended he shot a deer, he ended a life.
Speaker 1 (29:19):
Yeah, I know he did, and and like you could
tell he was emotional about it. And I was like, okay,
he goes, he goes, yeah, he goes. This is a
little bit more powerful than I was thinking it was
gonna be. And I was like, well, that's good. That's
a good thing that you have a little bit of emotion.
Speaker 3 (29:39):
Yeah, you should have respect. That you should have respect.
Speaker 1 (29:42):
And then he goes, he goes, he goes, man, he goes,
my family's going to really enjoy this meat.
Speaker 3 (29:49):
And I go there it is.
Speaker 1 (29:50):
I was like all right, and like little moments like
that like help me, like get a rejuvenated spirit.
Speaker 10 (29:57):
I never really fully lose it, but.
Speaker 1 (29:59):
It's like moments like that for me that go, man,
you're doing the right thing.
Speaker 11 (30:04):
Yeah, because my kids are grown and they're gone. And
I do remember Colton's first year and I remember I
was getting something out of my backpack and I heard
him over there and I heard him say, I'm sorry, buddy,
but I had to get something this morning.
Speaker 3 (30:16):
And he was over there.
Speaker 11 (30:17):
I turned around and looked at him, and he was
knelt down next to that buck and he was petting
him and he was really cool about him and he
wasn't upset about it, but he was like he had respect,
and that's a cool thing, you know.
Speaker 1 (30:29):
Well I like it that he was like it was
you or nothing, Like I was you were me?
Speaker 3 (30:35):
Yes, you were me? Yeah? Sorry, but yeah, I'm sorry, buddy.
Speaker 11 (30:38):
You know it's It's funny because everybody I take to
the woods pretty much does the same thing you're thing.
Speaker 3 (30:45):
I mean everybody, nobody, Nobody is like.
Speaker 11 (30:47):
Oh man, that was great and look at that oh
my blue his guts out and you know, everybody's wow.
Speaker 1 (30:55):
Like wow, that was like powerful like a self. It's
a like a they're connected, like. I think it's those
little moments that I'm like.
Speaker 3 (31:05):
Yeah, well, you know, we came from cavemen and that's
what they did. They still resemble that.
Speaker 11 (31:10):
Yeah, I know some will still act like there's still
you may look like a caveman, but I act like one.
Speaker 3 (31:16):
There is some truth to that.
Speaker 11 (31:18):
But yeah, I'm looking forward to getting back into the woods.
Of course this year out on on the you know,
private lands which are.
Speaker 3 (31:26):
Semi public around here because you know what you're going
to encounter. You never know.
Speaker 1 (31:30):
So what guns are you? What guns would you say?
Speaker 3 (31:34):
Are there? Is there guns that rejuvenate your spirit every year?
You know what?
Speaker 4 (31:38):
Uh?
Speaker 11 (31:39):
I really like hunting, Listen. I never got to hunt
with bold action guns because we always hunted with shotguns
out there and lever guns.
Speaker 3 (31:49):
So so last year I did that.
Speaker 11 (31:51):
This year, I'm actually contemplating taking a lever action gun,
like a forty five long Colt, you know, with double
tap hardcare.
Speaker 3 (32:00):
You're in the method station stage.
Speaker 11 (32:02):
Yeah, And honestly, I would like to get my muzzleloader
out again when Primitive rolls around. And I know primitive
year isn't really primitive. It's single shot and it can
be breech loading, which is really not primitive. I would
take patch and ball. I take my old my old
cat flint lock. It's not I don't have any flint locks,
but I do have a percussion side.
Speaker 3 (32:23):
Locke, you know, so that'd be fun.
Speaker 11 (32:26):
Yeah, And so I'm thinking about those things, and honestly,
I'm considering getting back into I always hunted with crossbows
in Ohio because I never I have. I have bows,
but I'm not good with it now' practice. But crossbows
are cool because I can I can kind of slip
into the woods and I can just walk around and honestly,
I see more deer walking around and just spooking around
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in there, and I walk, sit, walk, sit.
Speaker 3 (32:51):
And with a crossbow you can do that. Oh yeah.
Speaker 11 (32:53):
And it's all year long, which means you can go
when it's nice out in the early you know, early seasons.
And spend more time in the woods, because really the
more methods you use, the more time you get to
spend in the woods. And after all, it's all about
time in the woods. And since it's spread out over
so many months, so if you only go you know,
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a couple three four times with each you know method
for hunting, you get that much more tian woods.
Speaker 1 (33:21):
See, my problem is is that every time I am
like going out for the woods or anything like that,
like it's always like close locally, there's not a lot
of deer, and the deer that I've seen are very small,
they look like earlings. And then I go up to
Oklahoma and I'm driving, you know, I'm driving so much
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back and forth between there and Louisiana.
Speaker 3 (33:46):
Is that like that wears on me.
Speaker 1 (33:48):
It wears so much on me that like primitive season
comes around, but it's a week after a youth season.
It's a week after and so now I've got to go,
wellthe I want to make another trip.
Speaker 11 (33:59):
To you start killing small deer in Louisiana. I mean, honestly,
the hunts. The hunt is the hunt. I know me
Now you're right for me, it's about the hunt. I mean,
you saw but I go our last alligator I killed,
and obviously that was not about the gators' size, No,
it was.
Speaker 1 (34:21):
I still say that was that that was one of
the smaller gators I've seen.
Speaker 3 (34:27):
It was this smallest skater I think I've ever seen.
Speaker 4 (34:31):
Really, but no, it was not the smallest.
Speaker 1 (34:33):
I mean, you said you met, you said four foot
nine inches, four foot nine inches, that's a tiny one.
Speaker 3 (34:38):
Guy, just letting you know.
Speaker 1 (34:40):
All right, hey, you know what, let's bring everybody back
in here. Mike, what final shots you got for us?
Speaker 4 (34:48):
Man?
Speaker 6 (34:49):
I think something that all hunters, all shooters should do
is take a new person shooting, you know, set them
up for success. We talk about that on our pot
cast while all of us secretly, well maybe I'm just
the only evil one secretly watch you know, the YouTube
shorts or whatever it is, and you see the fails
(35:09):
of watching these guys shoot overpowered firearms that they're not
ready for. You know, while that may be funny to
laugh at, you know that's that's a person that's probably
not going to come back into our sport. So set
someone up for success, take them out and even if
you can't change their mind, they may be anti firearm
but as long as you can get them to at
least give a little smirk like, yeah, that was kind
(35:31):
of fun, Like your job's done.
Speaker 1 (35:34):
Yep, man, it's a it's a great point in taking
taking people. And I've by the time this airs, I
will have taken a new He hunts a lot. He's
never shot his first buck, so hopefully I've got some
great things to report when this post. But I took
him out before season. He wanted to come out help
(35:57):
fill feeders and stuff, which I thought was ridiculous because
we were leaving Friday, we were coming back home on Saturday,
so that's twenty two hours of driving in two days, and.
Speaker 4 (36:09):
He wanted to do this.
Speaker 1 (36:10):
The kid's twelve years old, and I took him out there,
field feeders, got everything ready, He saw where he's going
to be hunting. He is completely jacked to go hunting,
and I took him out. We set up a real
quick range and I had him shooting out to five
hundred yards. He's never shot anything over one hundred yards,
(36:30):
and he is. The kids hooked now, and so hopefully
you're exactly right. Hopefully we just continue to breed little
successes like that to transform who is going to be
the next generation of us. All right, let's jump over
to Matt in Idaho. Matt final shots. What do you
(36:52):
got for us?
Speaker 8 (36:54):
Honestly, just anybody, if you didn't come up hunting, maybe
you're not a huge hunter, but you're curious at all.
Like you said, take somebody new hunting, but like, try
and embrace that. It's a huge part of this this
country's history. Uh, is is feeding ourselves off of the
game that's here. And uh you know, take take grand
(37:16):
granddad's old rifle or shotgun out in the woods, get you,
get you some game, meet and enjoy it with your family.
Speaker 4 (37:23):
Man. Yeah, you just you like you hit on something
that I hadn't initially processed, and I'm glad you did.
Like maybe it's a new method that will rejuvenate your
spirit in the outdoors, like taking your grandfather's rifle Like
that is that is awesome. Like I think that's a
great tip. That's probably one of the better ones I
didn't think about. So but yeah, that's awesome. All Right,
(37:46):
We're gonna jump over to Chris right now. Chris, your
final shot.
Speaker 3 (37:49):
Let's hear it.
Speaker 11 (37:50):
All right, I've been thinking about this for a little
bit and quite honestly, I think that getting it back
into hunting for me was one of our favorite analogies.
Speaker 3 (38:01):
It was eating the elephants.
Speaker 11 (38:03):
And you know what, you don't have to have everything
you need to get back in the honey. You don't
have to have it all at once. You don't have
to have the best gun. You don't have to have
the best clothes. Get the old clothes out, Get the
old seat that you sat on.
Speaker 3 (38:16):
In the woods forever.
Speaker 11 (38:17):
You can buy a new one next time you go
to Walmart, or you can buy a better one. But
it's eating the elephant, and it's just little bites at
a time, you know, and just getting out there for
even if it's just a portion.
Speaker 5 (38:29):
Of a day.
Speaker 11 (38:30):
You get a few hours out there with your old
gear and your dirty, old, you know seat that you
sat on in the woods, and you know what, those
feelings come back. Because I started, when I was thinking
about this, I thought, you know what, that's how I
did it, and it really did.
Speaker 3 (38:49):
The feelings came back, the smells of the woods, the
sounds of the woods.
Speaker 11 (38:54):
You know, that little bit of tingle because you're all
alone out there in the woods and you get a
little you know you get a little scared, especially in Louisiana.
I mean because there's stuff out there. So yeah, you know,
get back out there. Don't think you got to do
it all at once. Don't think it all has to
be you know, all a plus gear and an attitude.
Just go out and spook around and when you start
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seeing the tracks and the scat and all that stuff,
you remember why you loved it.
Speaker 3 (39:25):
That's yeah.
Speaker 1 (39:27):
I don't know where I can go from there, because
these guys covered all Mike, Matt and Chris. My final
shot is this, I don't really think you've lost it.
I don't think your spirit is gone. I just think
you've got to find it. And whether it's taking someone
new trying a new method, the only way you're going
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to find that spirit of the hunt is just to
get back out there. That's it for me and gun
talk hunt folks. You know the drill, Keep those muzzles
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Have you lost the drive to hunt? What does that
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Speaker 4 (00:29):
Welcome in to another gun Talk Hunt.
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today's episode is more maybe you never lose it. Maybe
you never lose that drive for the hunt. Sometimes you
may lose it and you start finding yourself a rejuvenated
(00:54):
spirit for the outdoors. And that's what we're gonna talk
about today. We're gonna talk with Mike Perkins out of
Tennessee to Matt Brass out of Idaho, and they are
the duo that make up Whiskey and Windage podcasts and
we are excited to have them on. And we got
gun Talk's very own Chris Serno in studio. So without
(01:14):
further ado, let's jump in with Mike Perkins of the
Whiskey and Windage podcast Mike, how you doing, buddy.
Speaker 5 (01:22):
Man, I'm doing good. kJ How are you doing?
Speaker 4 (01:25):
I'm doing great?
Speaker 1 (01:26):
And I'm going to tell you right now, I was
on an episode of Whiskey and Windage and have an
absolute blast with you guys.
Speaker 3 (01:31):
And the way you guys have a.
Speaker 1 (01:33):
Way to line out how you operate with your guests
is absolutely phenomenal. If you guys haven't listened to it,
go check out Whiskey and Windage podcast because I promise
you you'll like what you hear.
Speaker 5 (01:45):
Appreciate that.
Speaker 1 (01:46):
But today we're not going to talk about Texas football.
We're not going to talk about Oklahoma getting it handed
to them by your Longhorns.
Speaker 4 (01:54):
So let's just end this right now.
Speaker 1 (01:57):
Texas is better than Oklahoma right now.
Speaker 5 (02:02):
All right, I'll take that coming good night.
Speaker 1 (02:05):
Right And that's all that's all from Mike Perkins, Like
get him out of here. No, we're talking about kind
of a rejuvenated spirit in the hunting and I've seen
this come from guys that maybe have burned out or
anything like that. And we talk about like reflections on
on what what made you almost quit? And I've got, man,
(02:25):
I've got so many of those stories. What do you
think about that, Mike, where where where does your mind
start to go when I say, like, uh, instances that
may have almost made you quit.
Speaker 5 (02:35):
Been there, done that?
Speaker 6 (02:38):
Man, I gotta I gotta say that when people talk
about their dear stories or their first time they harvest game.
Speaker 5 (02:46):
I'm one of the lucky ones, you know.
Speaker 6 (02:48):
Just to put it in perspective, I killed my first
buck at ten years old, which is the legal age
you can hunt in Tennessee, on the opening day of
the season, within the first fifteen minutes of first light.
Speaker 3 (03:03):
Dude, you're ruined.
Speaker 2 (03:04):
I know.
Speaker 5 (03:05):
So Like I had a great teacher, I had my dad.
Speaker 6 (03:08):
We hunt on private land, you know, he knows the
place like the back of his hand. And after I
shot it, he made the comment, you realize it took
me five years to harvest my first deer.
Speaker 5 (03:21):
And jokingly I was like, yeah, I did it in
fifteen minutes.
Speaker 6 (03:24):
Let's go to breakfast. And he was like, okay, So man,
I took it for granted. I've been there. I've never
hunted WMA or never hunted public land in my life.
Everywhere I hunt his private nothing is high fence, nothing
is baited. But there's not a day that I went
in the woods that unless the wind was bad, of
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the weather was bad, I always saw deer always. And
so man, you take that stuff for granted because you
hear these stories. So yeah, I got burnt out because
I gave myself.
Speaker 5 (03:58):
The rule on my land.
Speaker 6 (04:00):
Blessed that I live on the land that I grew
up hunting on. You know, now it's I'm not going
to shoot anything unless it's bigger than one I've already shot.
So I kind of go out on this property and
just sleep, I.
Speaker 4 (04:13):
Mean naps almost did you in, man?
Speaker 5 (04:18):
Yeah, yeah, but you know it's tough.
Speaker 4 (04:20):
You know.
Speaker 6 (04:20):
I let other people come out and hunt. And if
you're a new hunter, or if you are someone who's
never killed a buck, you know, whatever walks by that
gets you excited, take it down. But if you're a
seasoned hunter, my rule is eight point or better. I
don't care how big the basket is. Give me eight
or better unless you see some funky rack deer walking by.
But it's like, man, you know, I want to I
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want to preserve this for the next generation, and I
want I find more fun now watching people go hunt,
whether it's deer or turkey, and actually being a part
of it and doing the calling or working with them
than actually pulling the trigger myself.
Speaker 3 (04:56):
Now, I don't know.
Speaker 5 (04:56):
I guess it's old.
Speaker 4 (04:58):
No, you're not getting old.
Speaker 1 (04:59):
I think it's just a a matter of the time
that we're we're in our hunting pace, because I mean,
when I moved down to Louisiana, man, going on like
eight years ago, it was it was a little bit
tougher for me because I was constant. I'm kind of
the same way, like I have a lease, I have
private land that's all connected and it's a beautiful hunting property.
(05:21):
And when I was driving up to Oklahoma, it's like
I was driving up by myself. I was doing all
this stuff and I'd go out and I'd spend a
weekend and then I'd be back in the office on Monday.
And that's twenty one twenty two plus hours of driving.
And that that near that could have ended it for me.
If my boys hadn't reached the age of being able
(05:46):
to hunt, that.
Speaker 3 (05:48):
Would that that could have sealed it for me.
Speaker 1 (05:51):
I wouldn't have gone maybe once a year, But man,
that makes such a difference to be able to drive
someone else, to know that they're gonna have a great
experience for me than anything else.
Speaker 6 (06:04):
Well, there's something to be said because although I grew
up hunting private land, my dad, his brother and all
their friends would still go put in for draws on
the public land and they would get it. And I
mean these guys would show up, I mean pulling up
in like cousin Eddie.
Speaker 5 (06:20):
Style RVs and all this stuff.
Speaker 6 (06:23):
And they would hunt and maybe one of them would
shoot a dough maybe.
Speaker 5 (06:29):
But I was always like, this is boring. We're not
killing deer. Why are we here? And I wouldn't want
to go.
Speaker 6 (06:34):
But the older I get, the more I realize it's
not just about the time you sit behind the trigger.
It's building those relationships and hanging out for a few
days around the campfire, eating horrible camp food most of
the time, and just sharing those stories and having those laughs.
And it's a way to unplug and to grow together.
Speaker 3 (06:54):
Man, it really is.
Speaker 1 (06:57):
And when you lead right into the next thing like
the value of an unplugged hunt, and what does that mean,
Like we're unplugging from society, we're unplugging from our phones,
We're spending time and enjoying the outdoors that rarely happens
because there was a time when you could just step
outside the city limits and you would have zero cell service.
(07:19):
Those days are gone. You have cell service everywhere everywhere.
You get a starlink and you'll have it in the mountains, like,
and you're not unplugged, Like, that's no longer unplugging for me.
Anytime you can reach me is I mean, it's everywhere,
And I missed the value of that.
Speaker 3 (07:36):
What do you think?
Speaker 5 (07:37):
I think there's something to be said for that.
Speaker 6 (07:40):
You know, now, when I hear about hunters going in
the woods, you know, it's like they get up there
an hour before daylight and they're in there, not making
a sound, and they've got their air pods in and
they're playing Candy Crush or something on their phone, waiting
waiting for the sun to come up. And you're like, Okay,
I guess that's cool if that's what you do. So
you're you know, I'm adhd man, I'm gonna move, I'm
(08:02):
gonna I'm gonna fidget.
Speaker 5 (08:03):
So if that keeps you still, that's great.
Speaker 6 (08:06):
But you're actually going out there just to hunt, you're
not actually going out there to unplug. And that's fine,
But I like to unplug and become one with nature
and just kind of watch watch the chipmunks of the
squirrels that bark at you when you think that you know, like, hey,
surely nothing's gonna see me up here, and of course
you got like four squirrels alert in you and all
(08:26):
that stuff.
Speaker 5 (08:26):
But it's that's part. That's part of the fun.
Speaker 1 (08:29):
Yeah, it it is. I mean, I said, man, it's
just so hard for me. I can unplug very easily.
Ask like my wife, like she will not hear from
me during a hunt, like she just knows like he's
he's not accessible, there's no way. But but on the
other end, like I will plug back in if it's
(08:51):
gonna benefit me on a on a buck, like if
I have to go over to ONYX or something like
that and go, okay, hey, what's the best route. How's
the wind? Like if I go out here, what's the
wind going to do over in this?
Speaker 3 (09:03):
Like draw Like that's.
Speaker 1 (09:04):
When I start plugging in and being thankful that I
do have service.
Speaker 5 (09:09):
No, that's true. That is true. I mean I guess
it also depends on the type of hunting you're doing.
Speaker 6 (09:14):
I mean, if you're hunting in an area that's super thick,
and you've only got two or three shooting lanes, and
you've planned on sitting there all day, and you've already
missed the.
Speaker 5 (09:23):
First active part of the day.
Speaker 6 (09:25):
And you're somewhere you know that that mid mornings already
came through, so the big bucks have already walked through again.
You know, it's like, all right, what do I do
between lunch and two o'clock in the afternoon. I don't
want to get down. I'm like, you know, I guess
it's cool in moderation, but I don't know. I mean,
it's to each their own. I guess it's just I'm
not that well.
Speaker 1 (09:45):
I'll tell you this much is, if you're sitting up
in a tree stand, the best thing to do is
hang your your safety strap is about as high as
you can get where right as you sit down on
your seat. It adds a little bit of cushion to you,
and you take a nap, you go to sleep, and
just be quiet, because you will. You'll you'll find yourself.
(10:06):
What I find is you'll start tuning in and you'll
hear more like if you're just completely unplugged and you're
sitting there very still, if a deer's walking by, You're
gonna hear that deer.
Speaker 5 (10:19):
Yeah, I probably shouldn't nap.
Speaker 4 (10:21):
Then you're out Like it's just.
Speaker 6 (10:24):
Like yeah, like I'll just I'll either sleep or I'll
probably snore and scare everything in the woods.
Speaker 5 (10:28):
I don't know one way or the other. Something will happen.
Speaker 1 (10:30):
So what's your preferred So when you unplug and when
you get back in the woods every year, what's this
hunting style that you go for? You say you're a
little bit adhd. So are you a spot in stock guy? No?
Speaker 6 (10:43):
So see, like I said, I really hunt private land.
So you know, if you've ever hunted in Tennessee, it's thick. Uh,
there's it's thick. I mean you've got honeysuckle, you've got
all the different low brush.
Speaker 5 (10:56):
So hundred yard shot in Tennessee.
Speaker 6 (10:59):
Unless you're hunting some one's field is is it's a
long shot because it's so thick. So you basically get
up in a tree and you sit there. So it's
more like Cadillac deer stands like the big box, fully enclosed,
sitting there because you're not gonna stalk. There's too many leaves,
there's too many branches, they're gonna hear you. There's too
(11:21):
many hills. They're gonna see you an one hundred yard shot.
So it's not like out west where you can, you know,
walk to this ridge line and not mess up what
you're doing.
Speaker 5 (11:30):
Like if you move, they all see you. So it's
you just sit down, shut up, and be quiet way
for they walk by.
Speaker 1 (11:35):
Makes sense, man, it definitely makes sense. All right, Hey, Mike. Thanks,
We're gonna get you back in at the end of
the show.
Speaker 3 (11:42):
But that's out.
Speaker 1 (11:43):
Let's head out to Idaho with Matt Brass.
Speaker 3 (11:46):
Matt, how you doing, dude?
Speaker 7 (11:49):
I am really good.
Speaker 3 (11:51):
kJ.
Speaker 7 (11:51):
I appreciate you having me.
Speaker 8 (11:53):
Good to see you.
Speaker 1 (11:55):
Well, I'm glad you don't share the same I hope
you don't share the same sentiments about the Longhorns as
your cohort Mike Perkins over there at Whiskey Windage.
Speaker 8 (12:05):
Look, if if you want to see me awkward and
out of place, try and include me in a football conversation.
Speaker 7 (12:14):
I just sportballs.
Speaker 8 (12:16):
As a waste of a good gun range.
Speaker 3 (12:19):
Honestly, Oh my gosh.
Speaker 4 (12:20):
Yeah, that guess how I feel about golf courses.
Speaker 1 (12:22):
Like it's just a yeah, yeah, Like that'd be cooler
if you were like shooting some targets down those ranges. Yeah,
so we're talking about rejuvenated and rejuvenated spirits like new guns,
new grounds. Like you're out in Idaho, so you're out west,
so you have a totally different experience than Mike and myself,
(12:44):
Chris Sereno, and a lot of others across the country.
So what, uh, what's the vibe hunting for you when
you head out to the rain or head out and
hunt public land. I'm guessing right.
Speaker 7 (13:00):
Yes, almost exclusive.
Speaker 8 (13:02):
I've never hunted anything that wasn't public land, and the
majority of hunters.
Speaker 7 (13:08):
Out here it is public land.
Speaker 8 (13:10):
And we're in the state of Idaho. We're really blessed
that our state protects a lot of that puts a
lot of it aside for citizens to be able to
use for pretty much whatever they want.
Speaker 7 (13:24):
But it also is it's pretty big country.
Speaker 3 (13:28):
It's big.
Speaker 7 (13:29):
There's a lot of it.
Speaker 4 (13:31):
There's a lot of it.
Speaker 1 (13:32):
But like narrowing down where you get, I mean, the
longer you're there, the more you get out in the woods,
the more familiar are going to become. Whether you're talking
thermals or just terrain and what temperatures and thermals do
to an area. But that's one of the bigger challenges,
as I think, is getting people out into new areas,
because anymore you working from a remote, like doing a
(13:57):
remote job like that, you can do from your home,
and you on how you can live wherever you want.
I think it's placed a little bit newer challenge to
those hunters looking to get back into hunting and looking
to find their way back into the woods. And how
would you how would you address those folks that get
to a new area that are a little bit intimidated
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by public land because maybe they've hunted private all along
and they've moved out.
Speaker 3 (14:22):
Of state, they've moved to a new area.
Speaker 1 (14:25):
What advice would you give them?
Speaker 7 (14:28):
Have a good pair of boots.
Speaker 4 (14:30):
Like, what's your going for? I'll have what's your go
to pair of boots?
Speaker 8 (14:35):
Honestly my hunting boots. I'm usually I'm usually wearing danners.
Speaker 7 (14:39):
Of some sort.
Speaker 8 (14:40):
Yeah, Like I'm a good quality not not not too expensive,
but I only have to buy I'm not I'm not
the great white hunter of the North, you know, but
I do get to spend some time out in the
out in the country and and I've been wearing danners
for about a decade, so I mean, but have a good,
(15:00):
good set of boots and and be willing to put
some miles on really.
Speaker 1 (15:05):
Man, But that's so that that to me, that's intimidating,
Like if I'm to an area, man, it's like, that's
why I like, I'm not kidding and I am not
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on X. Man, they never failed me. I'm dropping way
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Speaker 8 (15:25):
So right, Yeah, on X It's a powerful tool out here,
for sure. There's a lot of a lot of ground
to cover. Well, how good and good glass?
Speaker 1 (15:38):
Yes, I aim into that. My gosh, we were looking
through a pair of Zeis glass yesterday and holy crap,
it's absolutely incredible. Like how far glass has come nowadays
is unbelievable. No, take your pick. If you're spending quite
a bit of money on some optics, like you're gonna
get great glass. But so the challenges that we've discussed
(16:01):
the boots, like getting a good pair of boots, like
how has that played a role in how you get
out and hunt?
Speaker 8 (16:08):
Honestly, it plays a huge role. And having just all
around having decent gear, especially this time of year in Idaho,
there's lots of temperature change, and all across the west
and the further northview you go, of course the worst
that it is, but temperature change. It can get cold
(16:29):
real fast, it can get wet real fast. It could
then immediately get hot real fast. And so gear, good gear,
good layers, good pair of boots. All that stuff is
really important. And it almost also can't be done without machinery.
(16:50):
A four wheeler or a side by side is all
most a necessity, especially if there is an animal down
You might be. You might be ten twelve miles in
the backwoods trying to move an eight hundred pound elk,
and like you need you need the equipment to do it.
Speaker 1 (17:09):
Man, you haven't, Like, you haven't said one thing that
I'm like, Oh, man, I would hate to do that.
Like even don't give me a vehicle, don't give me
a side by side. Hiking an elk out if you're
ten to twelve miles back does sound fun.
Speaker 7 (17:24):
I'm not that guy. I'm not him. I am I'm not.
I gotta be honest, I'm not him. I need the
four wheeler, man or a horse.
Speaker 4 (17:33):
Just give me a horse like a horse.
Speaker 8 (17:35):
Yeah, there's we still have a lot of mule skinners
out here. Mule skinning is a real thing, and there's
guys that run that breed and run mule teams specifically
for packing game animals.
Speaker 1 (17:46):
And there's is that something that you can you can
have You can hire those dudes, right yep yep.
Speaker 8 (17:52):
So if you're up here hunting this way looking to
shoot a trophy bull elk, you will probably first off
need a guide. But that guy, he's probably gonna know
a mule breeder.
Speaker 1 (18:04):
I will say, have them lined up before season.
Speaker 7 (18:08):
Like.
Speaker 1 (18:08):
So that's one of my tips I give everybody whoever
comes through here is doing an out of state hunt.
Plan ahead, look up shipping services for your meat, taxidermist,
local area processor if you need it. And mule skinners
are the same way. If you're going to hire a
team to come out there, they need to know that
there is a possibility that you are going to be
(18:29):
on their radar. Man contact local game wardens, like talk
to them about rules regulations, where you can where you
can't go if you've already mapped out that area. Those
are a few challenges that guys get up there and
they don't think about they don't think about, Okay, well
what if I am successful?
Speaker 3 (18:49):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (18:50):
Wait what if?
Speaker 7 (18:51):
Really?
Speaker 1 (18:52):
Sometimes because it seems like like so it seems like
like guys that dream of hunting out West, they they
dream of success. They don't dream of the hardships that
go along with it. And that's where, like the miles
you put on your legs and everything that takes a toll.
Because my first hunt in Idaho did not go how
I thought it was going to go. It's straight up
(19:14):
like there was no flat ground present. It's hard hunting
and it.
Speaker 7 (19:20):
Can be very hard.
Speaker 1 (19:22):
Oh yeah, like it absolutely can be. And that's why,
like you know, listen to the Whiskey and Winded podcast.
You'll start learning a little bit more about what the
terrain's like, and you'll hear a little bit of insight.
Speaker 3 (19:35):
From from Mike and Matt.
Speaker 1 (19:37):
Like like, you've got to put yourself in that mindset,
that winning mindset, and part of that is like taking
that hunt from start to finish of all the what ifs,
is that something hunter you find that hunters don't often do.
Speaker 7 (19:50):
Matt, I think it's kind of a mixed bag.
Speaker 8 (19:56):
So people who grew up here and understand that, uh,
understand that way of hunting. It's a it's a complete
lifestyle here I personally grew up. I grew up in Idaho,
but not in a family of of hunters, and so
I didn't start hunting until my early twenties. And in
(20:18):
my personal experience, it's definitely something that I didn't plan
for of Hey, you know, I'm going to walk a
lot further than I thought I was going to. Most
of the deer that I'm going to see are not
the deer that I imagined in my mind that I would find.
And when I do down an animal, like, how do
I get this out of here by myself?
Speaker 5 (20:40):
Yea?
Speaker 8 (20:41):
So it's uh, the planning is really important. And and
I'm an idiot, so I learned the hard way.
Speaker 7 (20:47):
But that's why I know me.
Speaker 8 (20:52):
That's why I know I'm not gonna I don't. I
don't want to be ten miles in and drop a
bowl elk without a four wheeler.
Speaker 7 (20:57):
I know, I don't.
Speaker 1 (20:58):
I know, I don't, Matt, I'm the opposite it, like,
I'm just dumb enough to go do it and then go, well,
I guess I gotta deal with this now. I'm not
not smart enough to think ahead. So you're actually smarter
than you know.
Speaker 7 (21:13):
But you're tough enough to get it done. Regardless. They say,
if you're gonna be dumb, you gotta be tough.
Speaker 9 (21:20):
I don't know if to take that as an insult,
it's a compliment, but well played if it was either then,
but yeah, it's it's something that you got to think
about the forethought and don't let don't let the your nerves,
I guess is kind of don't let your nerves or
nervousness of experiencing something get you out of hunting.
Speaker 1 (21:44):
Let it rejuvenate your soul into new and exciting things.
I guess it's kind of how i'd bring that around.
Speaker 8 (21:52):
I'd say, I'd say, don't definitely don't let it scare you,
scare you off, but.
Speaker 7 (21:57):
But do also come with an education of life.
Speaker 4 (22:01):
Uh, you know out.
Speaker 8 (22:02):
West Montana, Wyoming, Idaho, Nevada, we have huge bucks, we
have huge elk, and the animals get huge because they've
never seen a human before. So to find an animal
like that, you're gonna have to go places people don't
usually go, and you could be rewarded with a trophy.
But it's not all it's not all fun and games.
The large majority of it is hard, hard work.
Speaker 3 (22:24):
Yeah, you're gonna ride the struggle.
Speaker 7 (22:26):
Bus YEP, ride the struggle bus YEP.
Speaker 4 (22:29):
It's just something we all have to ride on.
Speaker 1 (22:31):
We write it together, but every once in a while
we let a couple off to have some success. All Right,
we're gonna jump in here with a break and when
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Speaker 1 (25:11):
We're gonna talk hunt and we've got Chris Serno in
studio talking about a rejuvenated spirit for the hunt. Chris,
you and I kind of like melded together into a
beautiful teaching union and it rejuvenated your spirit.
Speaker 11 (25:28):
Talk through that it did, and honestly that sounded a
little weird to me, right. Teaching hunter education has really
helped my passion come back, especially you know, relocating to
Louisiana not knowing what to do down here. And what
that hunter education class did for me was not only
(25:49):
make me excited about hunting because you see all these
bright young faces, but it also educated me because I'm
learning more about Louisiana's hunting laws and rule and when
you when you don't understand anything, you get intimidated.
Speaker 1 (26:04):
Right, Well, it's it's an easy thing to do, and
you see it, you see it on the other side,
on the training side of things. But like when you
lose a an interest in hunting or it just doesn't
seem like a I'm not saying it should be a priority,
but it loses its luster, like it's gotta there's got
(26:25):
to be a catalyst for like that rejuvenation.
Speaker 11 (26:29):
Well, the people you hang around with, the area you're in,
of course, because you know, if I was in the city,
it would I wouldn't probably have been this easy. But
I'm out in the country obviously, and I have you
and I have really cool people I get to hang
around with.
Speaker 3 (26:44):
But what is it?
Speaker 11 (26:46):
What is it that I truly loved about being in
the woods and hunting?
Speaker 3 (26:52):
What was it? And it was seeing by yourself?
Speaker 11 (26:56):
Well you know, I I mean, I mean, you do
in enjoy those quiet times, and as your life gets busier,
sometimes those quiet times are bad because your brain's working
on and it's thinking about it. But what did I
truly love I'll tell you what, Watching the woods wake up,
watching the woods go to sleep. And you know, and
I've been listening to these guys talk and I can't
(27:17):
remember which one said something about, you know, taking a
nap between lunch.
Speaker 3 (27:21):
And two, lunch and two.
Speaker 11 (27:23):
Okay, I can't tell you how many deer I've shot
between ten and two because of all the people walking
in and out of the woods, especially if you're in
public areas. I mean, people get cold, they get frigid,
they want to eat, they got to.
Speaker 3 (27:37):
Go, they gotta go potty, all that stuff. And I
tell you that's my high alert time.
Speaker 1 (27:44):
Oh yeah, well, I mean that's high alert time. But
because animals do tend to start to move a little
bit later, depending on time of year, like early season,
I've found that they're going to move early just determined
temperatures and hunting pressure, and you know, they're not used
to having all those that pressure on them.
Speaker 3 (28:06):
And then the later in.
Speaker 1 (28:06):
The season that goes, they move back because it's the
breeding season. They're chasing, they're they're they're chasing down those ladies.
But I just I go back to, like us teaching
hunter's education, and it's such an easy way to give back.
Speaker 3 (28:23):
I find.
Speaker 1 (28:24):
I don't know what you think, but it's it's easier
for me to give back that way.
Speaker 3 (28:29):
And I do. I try to take at least.
Speaker 1 (28:31):
Two to three new hunters a year, like if they
haven't been out or they haven't been out in a while.
Like that was the that's one of the coolest things.
And I took a guy out once, like you'll enjoy
this story. So he has never hunted, always kind of
had an interest in it, but no one to take him.
So I take him and he shoots a dough. I
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was just like, hey, come out for a special dough season.
I'll shoot a doe. And he shoots it, and I'm like, hey,
I got to go get the truck. I'm going to
leave you here. I'll be right back. Like I get
back and he's just standing over this deer with his
hand on it, and I can tell that like he is,
he is emotional, like he he has shook, like because
he knows that he he.
Speaker 3 (29:16):
He ended he shot a deer, he ended a life.
Speaker 1 (29:19):
Yeah, I know he did, and and like you could
tell he was emotional about it. And I was like, okay,
he goes, he goes, yeah, he goes. This is a
little bit more powerful than I was thinking it was
gonna be. And I was like, well, that's good. That's
a good thing that you have a little bit of emotion.
Speaker 3 (29:39):
Yeah, you should have respect. That you should have respect.
Speaker 1 (29:42):
And then he goes, he goes, he goes, man, he goes,
my family's going to really enjoy this meat.
Speaker 3 (29:49):
And I go there it is.
Speaker 1 (29:50):
I was like all right, and like little moments like
that like help me, like get a rejuvenated spirit.
Speaker 10 (29:57):
I never really fully lose it, but.
Speaker 1 (29:59):
It's like moments like that for me that go, man,
you're doing the right thing.
Speaker 11 (30:04):
Yeah, because my kids are grown and they're gone. And
I do remember Colton's first year and I remember I
was getting something out of my backpack and I heard
him over there and I heard him say, I'm sorry, buddy,
but I had to get something this morning.
Speaker 3 (30:16):
And he was over there.
Speaker 11 (30:17):
I turned around and looked at him, and he was
knelt down next to that buck and he was petting
him and he was really cool about him and he
wasn't upset about it, but he was like he had respect,
and that's a cool thing, you know.
Speaker 1 (30:29):
Well I like it that he was like it was
you or nothing, Like I was you were me?
Speaker 3 (30:35):
Yes, you were me? Yeah? Sorry, but yeah, I'm sorry, buddy.
Speaker 11 (30:38):
You know it's It's funny because everybody I take to
the woods pretty much does the same thing you're thing.
Speaker 3 (30:45):
I mean everybody, nobody, Nobody is like.
Speaker 11 (30:47):
Oh man, that was great and look at that oh
my blue his guts out and you know, everybody's wow.
Speaker 1 (30:55):
Like wow, that was like powerful like a self. It's
a like a they're connected, like. I think it's those
little moments that I'm like.
Speaker 3 (31:05):
Yeah, well, you know, we came from cavemen and that's
what they did. They still resemble that.
Speaker 11 (31:10):
Yeah, I know some will still act like there's still
you may look like a caveman, but I act like one.
Speaker 3 (31:16):
There is some truth to that.
Speaker 11 (31:18):
But yeah, I'm looking forward to getting back into the woods.
Of course this year out on on the you know,
private lands which are.
Speaker 3 (31:26):
Semi public around here because you know what you're going
to encounter. You never know.
Speaker 1 (31:30):
So what guns are you? What guns would you say?
Speaker 3 (31:34):
Are there? Is there guns that rejuvenate your spirit every year?
You know what?
Speaker 4 (31:38):
Uh?
Speaker 11 (31:39):
I really like hunting, Listen. I never got to hunt
with bold action guns because we always hunted with shotguns
out there and lever guns.
Speaker 3 (31:49):
So so last year I did that.
Speaker 11 (31:51):
This year, I'm actually contemplating taking a lever action gun,
like a forty five long Colt, you know, with double
tap hardcare.
Speaker 3 (32:00):
You're in the method station stage.
Speaker 11 (32:02):
Yeah, And honestly, I would like to get my muzzleloader
out again when Primitive rolls around. And I know primitive
year isn't really primitive. It's single shot and it can
be breech loading, which is really not primitive. I would
take patch and ball. I take my old my old
cat flint lock. It's not I don't have any flint locks,
but I do have a percussion side.
Speaker 3 (32:23):
Locke, you know, so that'd be fun.
Speaker 11 (32:26):
Yeah, And so I'm thinking about those things, and honestly,
I'm considering getting back into I always hunted with crossbows
in Ohio because I never I have. I have bows,
but I'm not good with it now' practice. But crossbows
are cool because I can I can kind of slip
into the woods and I can just walk around and honestly,
I see more deer walking around and just spooking around
(32:49):
in there, and I walk, sit, walk, sit.
Speaker 3 (32:51):
And with a crossbow you can do that. Oh yeah.
Speaker 11 (32:53):
And it's all year long, which means you can go
when it's nice out in the early you know, early seasons.
And spend more time in the woods, because really the
more methods you use, the more time you get to
spend in the woods. And after all, it's all about
time in the woods. And since it's spread out over
so many months, so if you only go you know,
(33:15):
a couple three four times with each you know method
for hunting, you get that much more tian woods.
Speaker 1 (33:21):
See, my problem is is that every time I am
like going out for the woods or anything like that,
like it's always like close locally, there's not a lot
of deer, and the deer that I've seen are very small,
they look like earlings. And then I go up to
Oklahoma and I'm driving, you know, I'm driving so much
(33:43):
back and forth between there and Louisiana.
Speaker 3 (33:46):
Is that like that wears on me.
Speaker 1 (33:48):
It wears so much on me that like primitive season
comes around, but it's a week after a youth season.
It's a week after and so now I've got to go,
wellthe I want to make another trip.
Speaker 11 (33:59):
To you start killing small deer in Louisiana. I mean, honestly,
the hunts. The hunt is the hunt. I know me
Now you're right for me, it's about the hunt. I mean,
you saw but I go our last alligator I killed,
and obviously that was not about the gators' size, No,
it was.
Speaker 1 (34:21):
I still say that was that that was one of
the smaller gators I've seen.
Speaker 3 (34:27):
It was this smallest skater I think I've ever seen.
Speaker 4 (34:31):
Really, but no, it was not the smallest.
Speaker 1 (34:33):
I mean, you said you met, you said four foot
nine inches, four foot nine inches, that's a tiny one.
Speaker 3 (34:38):
Guy, just letting you know.
Speaker 1 (34:40):
All right, hey, you know what, let's bring everybody back
in here. Mike, what final shots you got for us?
Speaker 4 (34:48):
Man?
Speaker 6 (34:49):
I think something that all hunters, all shooters should do
is take a new person shooting, you know, set them
up for success. We talk about that on our pot
cast while all of us secretly, well maybe I'm just
the only evil one secretly watch you know, the YouTube
shorts or whatever it is, and you see the fails
(35:09):
of watching these guys shoot overpowered firearms that they're not
ready for. You know, while that may be funny to
laugh at, you know that's that's a person that's probably
not going to come back into our sport. So set
someone up for success, take them out and even if
you can't change their mind, they may be anti firearm
but as long as you can get them to at
least give a little smirk like, yeah, that was kind
(35:31):
of fun, Like your job's done.
Speaker 1 (35:34):
Yep, man, it's a it's a great point in taking
taking people. And I've by the time this airs, I
will have taken a new He hunts a lot. He's
never shot his first buck, so hopefully I've got some
great things to report when this post. But I took
him out before season. He wanted to come out help
(35:57):
fill feeders and stuff, which I thought was ridiculous because
we were leaving Friday, we were coming back home on Saturday,
so that's twenty two hours of driving in two days, and.
Speaker 4 (36:09):
He wanted to do this.
Speaker 1 (36:10):
The kid's twelve years old, and I took him out there,
field feeders, got everything ready, He saw where he's going
to be hunting. He is completely jacked to go hunting,
and I took him out. We set up a real
quick range and I had him shooting out to five
hundred yards. He's never shot anything over one hundred yards,
(36:30):
and he is. The kids hooked now, and so hopefully
you're exactly right. Hopefully we just continue to breed little
successes like that to transform who is going to be
the next generation of us. All right, let's jump over
to Matt in Idaho. Matt final shots. What do you
(36:52):
got for us?
Speaker 8 (36:54):
Honestly, just anybody, if you didn't come up hunting, maybe
you're not a huge hunter, but you're curious at all.
Like you said, take somebody new hunting, but like, try
and embrace that. It's a huge part of this this
country's history. Uh, is is feeding ourselves off of the
game that's here. And uh you know, take take grand
(37:16):
granddad's old rifle or shotgun out in the woods, get you,
get you some game, meet and enjoy it with your family.
Speaker 4 (37:23):
Man. Yeah, you just you like you hit on something
that I hadn't initially processed, and I'm glad you did.
Like maybe it's a new method that will rejuvenate your
spirit in the outdoors, like taking your grandfather's rifle Like
that is that is awesome. Like I think that's a
great tip. That's probably one of the better ones I
didn't think about. So but yeah, that's awesome. All Right,
(37:46):
We're gonna jump over to Chris right now. Chris, your
final shot.
Speaker 3 (37:49):
Let's hear it.
Speaker 11 (37:50):
All right, I've been thinking about this for a little
bit and quite honestly, I think that getting it back
into hunting for me was one of our favorite analogies.
Speaker 3 (38:01):
It was eating the elephants.
Speaker 11 (38:03):
And you know what, you don't have to have everything
you need to get back in the honey. You don't
have to have it all at once. You don't have
to have the best gun. You don't have to have
the best clothes. Get the old clothes out, Get the
old seat that you sat on.
Speaker 3 (38:16):
In the woods forever.
Speaker 11 (38:17):
You can buy a new one next time you go
to Walmart, or you can buy a better one. But
it's eating the elephant, and it's just little bites at
a time, you know, and just getting out there for
even if it's just a portion.
Speaker 5 (38:29):
Of a day.
Speaker 11 (38:30):
You get a few hours out there with your old
gear and your dirty, old, you know seat that you
sat on in the woods, and you know what, those
feelings come back. Because I started, when I was thinking
about this, I thought, you know what, that's how I
did it, and it really did.
Speaker 3 (38:49):
The feelings came back, the smells of the woods, the
sounds of the woods.
Speaker 11 (38:54):
You know, that little bit of tingle because you're all
alone out there in the woods and you get a
little you know you get a little scared, especially in Louisiana.
I mean because there's stuff out there. So yeah, you know,
get back out there. Don't think you got to do
it all at once. Don't think it all has to
be you know, all a plus gear and an attitude.
Just go out and spook around and when you start
(39:18):
seeing the tracks and the scat and all that stuff,
you remember why you loved it.
Speaker 3 (39:25):
That's yeah.
Speaker 1 (39:27):
I don't know where I can go from there, because
these guys covered all Mike, Matt and Chris. My final
shot is this, I don't really think you've lost it.
I don't think your spirit is gone. I just think
you've got to find it. And whether it's taking someone
new trying a new method, the only way you're going
(39:47):
to find that spirit of the hunt is just to
get back out there. That's it for me and gun
talk hunt folks. You know the drill, Keep those muzzles
point in a safe direction, and always be on the hunt.
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