November 9, 2025 • 39 mins
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-- Having a dash cam can prove to law enforcement you were the victim of road rage.
-- Ask candidates running for sheriff about gun rights and vote for the one who supports the Second Amendment.
-- After attending a shooting class he found out he wasn't as good as he thought.
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-- Having a dash cam can prove to law enforcement you were the victim of road rage.
-- Ask candidates running for sheriff about gun rights and vote for the one who supports the Second Amendment.
-- After attending a shooting class he found out he wasn't as good as he thought.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:24):
So you've made it through three hours of the regular
show on terrestrial radio and you wanted a little bit more.
Speaker 3 (00:29):
So that's why you.
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Found the gun Talk After Show podcast where we saved
all the best things.
Speaker 3 (00:33):
That we can't say on regular radio. Now here's Tom,
Michelle and Jim for the gun Talk after Show.
Speaker 4 (00:39):
Time for the after show, because we completed the first
part of the show. So this is I guess you'd
call this leftovers leftovers.
Speaker 3 (00:46):
It's the art.
Speaker 4 (00:48):
We all love leftovers, don't we.
Speaker 5 (00:51):
It sounds better than the doggy Bag Show.
Speaker 4 (00:53):
Oh there's that. It's like, yeah, we're the kids, says
but mom, we don't have a dog at the restaurant.
Speaker 2 (01:00):
It's better than aftermath too, So after shows great.
Speaker 4 (01:07):
Yeah, there you go, got Jim Kinzie and Michelle Cleveland. Hello,
my friends. And we had a fellow with a Scottish
accent today, which I thought was fund Yeah. Rob Gearing
from Spartan Precision talk about some interesting bipods and tripods,
interesting stuff.
Speaker 6 (01:23):
I think it's cool that you don't need one for
every rifle. That to me was a point right there.
Speaker 4 (01:28):
Yeah, yeah, you get one setup and then you mount
them all your different rifles. You just put on the
little attachment and right on. So cool, cool stuff. All right, Well,
tay what we got a whole lineup of people that
want to be part of the after show, so let's
just start on them. All right, Let's go grab Tom.
He's online one out of Fargo, North Dakota. Hey Tom,
thanks for your patients. Let's talk to ash Cans.
Speaker 7 (01:48):
Oh yes, sir, yeah, and so on one other quick thing.
I really enjoy your musings. Uh there, I get a
lot of good information on your new when you're music
about different different topics. But anyway, dash cams. Yes, and
so there's there's two dash cams. Actually it's a package
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that's on my wish list. It will cost me about
fifteen hundred dollars, well the cost of a good gun,
but the two dash cams. It come with a three
year warranty each. Put them in two sides of the car.
It will cover almost three hundred and sixty degrees out
looking outside at the car, So it will capture every
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angle just about except for a little bit on a fender.
One of the fenders, there's a about twelve inches. It
doesn't cover. It'll even cover people.
Speaker 4 (02:40):
What go Ahead's the brand of it. That's because I
mean I'll see dash cams listed to like one hundred
and fifty way. What are these?
Speaker 7 (02:50):
I think these are motorola I think yeah, they're about
they're about seven hundred dollars for each camera they're being
there's a place here in Fargo that puts them in.
They put into a lot of them. I asked him,
you put in too, and they said, sure, no problem,
just get me it would take. I think the money
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covers the it covers the insulation because they've got to
get in running around. I've got a full sunroof on this.
I've got to afford edge. They got to tuck it all.
Speaker 5 (03:24):
All the wires.
Speaker 7 (03:27):
Yeah, but they said it will cover almost three hundred
and sixty degrees. Is like three hundred and fifty degrees
of the car. So if someone's coming at you from
road rage, there's your proof. You know, if someone has
a problem on an accident, there's your proof because they're
coming at you or they run into you. But that's
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on my wish list.
Speaker 4 (03:49):
Are you in a hit and run? Are you going
to identify who it is and say, you know, here's
the video of it, or you know, I don't think
much of somebody to you know, and people live they'll say, yeah,
he ran into me. No, no, no, we have the video,
and they go, oh, okay, you got the video. Never mind.
Speaker 8 (04:06):
Yeah.
Speaker 7 (04:06):
And a lot of times you'll see people backing down
a hill and they'll hit the person behind them and
they'll say, well, you ran into me. Well, except the
dash camera will tell you different.
Speaker 4 (04:16):
Yeah, you know, and there are I mean, and right now,
it's going to be a great time because I guarantee
you a lot of this stuff is going to be
on these Black Friday sales and they're gonna be selling
for a whole lot less.
Speaker 7 (04:29):
Oh yes, but I don't think they're gonna sell less
for this at this place. They may have a few
bucks off, right, but they sell so well, I think
they're not gonna probably do yeah exactly, yeah, yeah, but
I just thought i'd toss that out because it would
cover these bicyclists that never stop at stop signs and
they've just run across. Yeah, the hit if they hit
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the side of your car, they're gonna say you hit them, Well,
not really.
Speaker 4 (04:59):
St there you go. Hey, Tom good idea, Thanks sir,
I appreciate that. And yeah, there are obviously a lot
of dash cam's going to be available for a good
bit les one hundred and fifty two hundred dollars. And
it's funny we were talking about the Black Friday deals
before we get to our other callers. While we're doing
the show, I get an email promotional email from Smith
and Wesson. They've got a new one hundred dollars off
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on any of their long guns as a special promotion.
They're doing a rebate deal. So those are going to
start popping up everywhere.
Speaker 5 (05:29):
And the industry software right now.
Speaker 6 (05:30):
So you can combine that with Black Friday sales, you
get some good opportunities.
Speaker 4 (05:34):
No exactly right, good deal, all right, double dip? What
would I would think? So, yeah, lets you buy more guns?
I like this. All right, let's go talk to Dentnis
out of Cortes. Colrade, Dennis, thank you for hanging in there.
What's on your mind, sir?
Speaker 9 (05:54):
Well, I'm a retired law enforcement I did thirty four
years and four of them was as a sheriff. And
one thing I want to really really advocate for the
people out there is vote for the sheriff who believes
in gun rights. And I think it was twenty fourteen
or something, there was fifty five sheriffs from Colorado went
to the state capitol to protest Governor hicken Hooper's magazine
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ban and that was out of sixty one sheriff So
that was pretty fantastic. And I think that everybody should
realize that they can do something by voting locally and
making sure that the person that they vote for sheriff
represents what they believe.
Speaker 3 (06:35):
Amax.
Speaker 4 (06:36):
It's a really good point because sheriffs are elected and
they tend to be a little bit more responsive. But
you do have some and they're pretty easy to figure
out who they are who are really not good on
gun rights. You want to say, look, have you ever testified?
Have you ever had any statements? But here's the thing, Dennis,
it requires the individual voter to do some research. Do
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it actual a little bit of work to find out,
doesn't it?
Speaker 9 (07:02):
It's very simple ask just to ask him what do
you feel about gun rights? And if you've got a
good shriff, he's going to tell you what he feels.
The wish you watch, you want, you're going to know it.
If he's running for election, you'll know and ask them
what they feel about guns. Ask him if they owned guns,
ask them what their opinion is. I always like people
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that carried concealed weapons because if I knew if I
needed a backup, I knew I had it. And if
you talk to most people, most people would say, I
will make it back up my law enforcement. If I'm
driving down the road and I see him in trouble,
I'm going to help him out. And I loved it.
I love the idea that somebody sitting in that audience
had my back.
Speaker 4 (07:44):
Hey, Dennis, let me ask you because that's an interesting thing.
A lot of us have thought about that. So I
would come to the help of law enforced officers in trouble,
but at the same time got to be careful about
running into a situation. One of the things I've thought
about is as your approach, you say, officer, do you
need help?
Speaker 9 (08:03):
Make sure you may write contact with that aulcer because
he doesn't know if you're a good guy or a
bad guy. Yeah, let's let him know what your intentions
are and let him know I'm here to help. Do
you need my help? Sometimes they'll tell you no, they've
got to do in the control. Uh, but they don't
they're gonna they're gonna ask for your help.
Speaker 5 (08:24):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (08:24):
Oh yeah, yeah. Don't brow your gun to do that
before you've got a gun out.
Speaker 9 (08:28):
Yeah, absolutely, no, no, no, no, you don't. You don't
want to have that gun out. You want to be
ready if you need to, but don't come running up
to an aufcer with a gun.
Speaker 5 (08:36):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (08:37):
Yeah, good point, good point, Thank you, Dennis. I appreciate that. Hey,
let's do this. Uh, I want to I want to
get the Howard, but I'd like to take the quick
quick break here. Does that make sense to everybody?
Speaker 5 (08:47):
Sure, okay, let's Howard.
Speaker 4 (08:49):
Dog go anywhere. We're gonna get you on the Oh
yeah sure, she says, it's your call. But Jim's over
there with the buttons where I kind of go away.
Speaker 3 (08:55):
You didn't forget about that cat.
Speaker 4 (08:56):
No, he thought he's got that button thing, doesn't he?
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Speaker 4 (09:40):
Can I talk now, Jim? Now? Now?
Speaker 3 (09:42):
You can?
Speaker 5 (09:44):
If only, if though.
Speaker 6 (09:47):
Only if you join your state Rifle and Pistol Association
gun rights group, because that would be a perfect way
to support Dennis's point about how do you know if
your sheriff, well, your state gun group would know.
Speaker 4 (09:59):
Good, good point, you know. And the other thing is
ask him appointed question like okay, well tell me, tell
me how you feel about red flag flag laws? How
should red flag laws be implemented? Implemented? And if they
come back and say, well, it's a bad idea altogether,
we shouldn't have them, you go, okay, that's my gouty.
Speaker 3 (10:17):
Oh yeah, you know, time to go to a meeting.
Speaker 5 (10:21):
I've got means to.
Speaker 4 (10:22):
Look at there. You go, Well, you guys do that.
I'm gonna go talk to Howard. Okay, Hey, Howard.
Speaker 8 (10:30):
How are you, sir, I'm fine, thank you very much.
Speaker 4 (10:34):
So I see here you took the DPI class, the
Diagnostic Pistol Instructor class that range ready I have taken
that class. I am really curious to get your take
on it.
Speaker 8 (10:47):
Well, I am proof that Chris can teach anyone.
Speaker 4 (10:57):
Okay, fill in the blanks. What are you talking about?
Speaker 8 (11:04):
I had, and probably upon occasion still have a pretty
good anticipation flinch. I mean, I was aware of it,
but I did not was not aware as how bad
it was until he, in his emin upful way, educated me.
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So it was an outstanding class, it truly was. It
taught me two things. One how much I need to improve,
how much I need to practice now that I've had
the training, and that there are a lot better shooters
out there that I need to step up to their level.
Because it was very educational, not only in the amount
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that allowed me to see what I need to improve
upon myself, but to see how other people did things
that can help me improve and how you can take
those lessons and instruct other people. I mean, I'm not
a firearms instructor in any formal sense of the word.
I've taught firearms safety to my family and basic principles
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to my family. But beyond that, you know, that's about
the extent of it. But this will help me drill
into them better techniques and better skill set for you know.
Speaker 4 (12:29):
The other thing you're going to get out of it
is with the DPI course, you learn how to diagnose
your own shooting. That's not an easy thing to do
for most of us. And now you go, Okay, I
see what I'm doing. I remember I'm doing that again.
I need to work on that. And it just makes
you a lot more aware of what you're doing, don't
you find absolutely?
Speaker 8 (12:50):
Absolutely? I mean by the end, and he'll tell you this,
and I think everyone in the class will tell you this.
There is a market improvement in my own abilities, and
for that I am extremely thankful. When I called earlier
before the class, we spoke and I said, I just
bought a new cig p P two nine three fifty
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five and now with what I've learned, I'm comfortable and
competent that i can utilize it, you know, at a
reasonable range. Now, am I going to make a fifty
yard shot? No? But if I have to get in
a position where I've got to make a fifty yard shot,
I'm probably going to look for an escape route.
Speaker 4 (13:39):
Ah, perfect, Well yeah, well probably don't need it. So
let me ask you. You said something in the middle
of that I think was really interesting, and it was
that you now know how good other people are. I'm
taking it from that. You have never shot competition, and
you probably have never taken another any class like this anywhere.
Speaker 8 (14:02):
No, I've I've shot competition since two thousand and seven.
I'm typically lower third, so I know what good shooters right,
all right, all.
Speaker 4 (14:14):
Right, so you do know what other people can do that,
all right?
Speaker 8 (14:16):
Yes, But the difference is in competition, you're not looking
at that one whole group. You're looking at you know,
holds on an M SICK or us PSC up.
Speaker 4 (14:31):
Oh okay, yeah yeah yeah, different, different kind of competition. Yeah,
because yeah, you need. What you'd find out with Chris
is you should be able to put all those shots
pretty close to being through the same hole.
Speaker 8 (14:42):
Right, Yes, absolutely, And.
Speaker 4 (14:48):
Here's how Chris puts it. He says, Look, you know,
it's just a piece of paper stuck onto a piece
of cardboard that stay pled onto a stick. It's not
shooting at you. You should be able to put all
the shots into the same that's right.
Speaker 2 (15:02):
Do you find based upon the class could you observe
other people and techniques that maybe were happening. Did you
start picking up on what kin corrections needed to be made?
Speaker 8 (15:15):
Not so much from other people. I saw what they
could do and what they could perform to a level.
There were some truly outstanding shooters in that group. What
I picked up from it is the biggest thing I
picked up from it was my grip. He significantly helped
me improve my grip. My grip was not that great,
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and I'd taken the hands to gunclasts and Maxi Michelle,
I've shown us how to do a proper grip. But
I if you don't do this consistently, you fall back
into bad habits.
Speaker 3 (15:49):
Yep.
Speaker 8 (15:50):
And my problem is with my work schedule and travel schedule.
I travel a lot for work. It's hard for me
to get to the range to emphasize those aspects. I
typically try to shoot a competition a month if I can,
but I go there primarily for the weapons handling and
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manipulation skills as opposed to the finer points.
Speaker 2 (16:16):
Right, So those are the points that you're able to
take home and put into teaching newcomers or family members.
Speaker 8 (16:23):
Correct. Yeah, I mean, as an example, this weekend, I
on my way down to Okala, where I've got a house,
I stopped by my nephews and he shot some competition
and you know, I said, show me your grip and
he basically had the same grip that I had because
I taught him my grip was wrong and his grip
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was wrong. Well, no, do this grip. It's a better grip.
And so you know, that's that's the value of getting
the training. You know, as you say, a lot, there's
a lot of people out here who go to the
range and think they're ready. Sorry, you're not right. The
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difference between a printer and or, let me use Christ's words,
the difference between a shooter and a Marshall artist in
the gun skill set is a world of difference.
Speaker 4 (17:30):
Oh yeah, of course. The thing is, I hear you
editing because we can't say, although this is not on
the radio, but on the radio, we certainly cannot use
Christmas language. If you're if.
Speaker 8 (17:45):
You'rey school, eight years in the.
Speaker 4 (17:50):
Yeah, it's not a problem. But for those who thinks,
you know, like here's the deal. You quickly get over
because you realize that Chris use this language as a
way to get your attention and to make a point.
He never uses a word that he hasn't thought about using.
And if he says something, you're going, oh wow, that
was kind of course. Yeah, but you know what, you
remembered it and it made a point.
Speaker 8 (18:09):
It got through absolutely. And I will say this, I've
had a lot of instructors, both in the military, martial
arts and college and through my education. Chris is truly
among the best because it's not so much that he
can teach, it's he wants to teach. Uh huh, And
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that makes a world of difference. His ability to diagnose.
I've done a knee problem, and he said, keep an
eye on Howard. I know he's got a knee problem.
I saw that from the first a and I'm going, oh.
Speaker 2 (18:48):
Awareness, Yeah, he saw you walking to the line and
probably noticed that and made a note of it as
you walk it up to the line.
Speaker 6 (18:56):
World class trainer. But what a lowsy bowler, Tom, you know,
I mean, come on, oh.
Speaker 4 (19:03):
Well, what are you gonna do? Well? How are your takeaway?
Just on? Was this your first time down to range? Ready?
Speaker 8 (19:12):
Now? This is actually my third I took the hands
to gun two years ago, the first one, and like
I said, I but you know, the issue with that,
as far as my concern is, you're mixing two things.
You're mixing the hand to hand aspects and the shooting aspects.
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I mean, I've got a black belt in judo, so
I thought I knew basics in you know, hand to hand,
but uh, Steve Torino taught me otherwise.
Speaker 4 (19:48):
Yeah, yeah, he does.
Speaker 5 (19:50):
Go.
Speaker 2 (19:50):
You've had some great and strict Yeah, you've really taken
yourself into a high class teaching class.
Speaker 8 (20:00):
Last year I took the carving class.
Speaker 4 (20:05):
That was good.
Speaker 8 (20:06):
I wanted to take the pistol class, but I could
never fit that into my schedule. And you know, I've
told Chris, you know, just look for me about the
same time every year and you know, shake your head.
Speaker 4 (20:20):
You know. The one thing, one thing I would end
with on this Howard, is that your work. Talk about
working your grip. You fall back at old habits, grip
that gun. Every single day. Work on that grip, work
on side alignment, work on dry fire, even if you
got a dummy gun, but just work on building that
grip every day to the point where you absolutely forget
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what you used to do and you instinctively do it
the right way now, and then doing it daily for
five minutes will make a huge difference.
Speaker 2 (20:53):
And can I just kind of jump on that time
because of what I have always come across in teaching
somebody is if you go through and you now teach
someone and it can be a you know, a family
member or a good friend, somebody brand knew that you
want to take out to the range, which of course
is all paint afford in our industry. But when you
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teach it and you repeatedly say the same thing over
and over.
Speaker 3 (21:18):
You you learn it. Yeah, you automatically start doing it yourself.
Speaker 4 (21:22):
A great point. Yeah, yeah, they say they stay to
really learn something, you need to teach it.
Speaker 3 (21:27):
Yeah, so learn it, do it, teach it.
Speaker 6 (21:31):
Say that those who can do, those who can't teach,
and those who can't teach teach.
Speaker 5 (21:36):
Pizzed gosh, something like that.
Speaker 4 (21:41):
You know, I knew we could count.
Speaker 6 (21:44):
Say hey, Howard before we let you go. You have
property in Okalla, right?
Speaker 8 (21:49):
Correct?
Speaker 5 (21:49):
Okay? Are you a golfer? Buy any chance?
Speaker 8 (21:53):
Start with a word that started with an age.
Speaker 6 (21:55):
But no, okay, I'm gonna say because because the similar
between shooting and golf are so similar, just substitute the term.
I mean the grip, you know, your focus, your breathing,
you follow through and the cos with it when you
don't do well.
Speaker 4 (22:14):
And actually, who do you think about it all sports?
If you think of you know, grip, stance, alignment, follow
through in all sports, I don't care what they are.
You've got the same thing. It's just that. And I
talk about follow through. I see so many people when
they fire the shot, they immediately drop the gun down,
and I started to thing, got to see ourselves. I
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want you to be looking through the sites after the shot,
ready to take the next shot. So you when you
get through it, you're firing the shot, you should look
like you're just about to pull the trigger every time,
and that will really make your follow through work for you.
Speaker 5 (22:52):
Yeah, the similarities just surprise me.
Speaker 4 (22:54):
Yeah they are. Hey, Howard, thank you so much. I
appreciate the that's a very involved and top level range
of sort.
Speaker 5 (23:00):
Sir, thank you you too.
Speaker 4 (23:03):
You take care. Interesting how when the first he said
I hadn't seen you know, how good people could be,
I'm thinking he hadn't shot competitions to the other shooters,
but he had. It's just in a different environment because
if you're shooting IDPA or ipstick, all you have to
do is put the shots inside of an ason, which
is pretty big, really, Yeah, and then when somebody says, yeah,
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I want you to put all the shots into this
target basically where they touch, you go, oh, thats a
lot of concentration.
Speaker 5 (23:35):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (23:36):
It kind of goes to the conversation we were having
last week where you know, red dots allow you to
hit a plate. You can hit a plate in anywhere
you want to, but it might not be consistently the
same placement of the shot, right. It might not always
be dead center. It might be two o'clock, it might
be seven. You know, you're kind of catching the movement,
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but you have a little bit more grace having to
do the bullseye shooting. Or a smaller target even just
you know, a small circle really forces you to pay
closer attention to the exact placement.
Speaker 6 (24:12):
Now, are those on the same time constraints like on
the easier, more forgiving courses or methodologies. It's you know,
you've got a clock going, but you can shoot a
little sloppy because you're going for time, but I.
Speaker 5 (24:25):
Mean, are the same time constraints on the bullseye or.
Speaker 4 (24:29):
Actual bullsye shoot use a different thing at what we're
talking about, because they're just talking about trying to make
really good shots so you can have much time you
want to. I mean, I tell people, look, taking as
much time as you want, Okay, okay, I mean, if
you want to take a day to fire three shots,
do it. But I want them all touching. What I
find is that if you gave them all the time
in the world, they still couldn't do it because they
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don't have the basics down right.
Speaker 6 (24:51):
I guess I was just comparing, you know, is it
a timed event versus is bullseye stuff time to event?
Speaker 3 (24:58):
Well, in competition at all of it is, it's all you.
Speaker 5 (25:01):
Still got to crack them off quick. Yep.
Speaker 7 (25:03):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (25:03):
They get so many shots for twenty minutes or thirty
It just depends on Okay, let me shooting, okay, thank you.
Speaker 4 (25:10):
Yeah, but with IDPA or ipstick, obviously the faster you go,
the better your score. But you offset that with hits
versus missus and so you yeah, you go fast, uh,
but you still would need to make your hits. You
got the A zone, but AC and Miss I can't remember.
Speaker 5 (25:33):
So there's a ratio of here.
Speaker 6 (25:34):
Well you'd stopped, you had twenty seconds left, but your
shots weren't.
Speaker 4 (25:37):
Good and it adds to your time, gotcha.
Speaker 2 (25:39):
Okay, Yeah, it's fascinating to watch the guys that do
not just the three gun, because three guns pretty exciting
to watch too, but to watch the action shooting, and
it is excited.
Speaker 3 (25:53):
I don't know if you can really take away anything
because it happens so fast.
Speaker 2 (25:58):
That's not like they're breaking down, for instance, direction, but
just to watch them, it's amazing.
Speaker 3 (26:03):
These guys are fast.
Speaker 5 (26:05):
I wouldn't know, Michelle, you've never taken me in one
of those events.
Speaker 4 (26:09):
Well, there's this thing called YouTube and you can actually
watch there. Yeah, at least for now, until until they
take them down there. Yeah, that's right.
Speaker 3 (26:24):
Man.
Speaker 4 (26:25):
So oh, let's see other stories. You know about Glock
making their changes to the pistols because of the switch,
and now the same outfit that went after Glock is
going after Ruger. You're saying, because they've got the RX. Yep,
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it's a Gen three block type and then you need
to make changes to your guns and a lot of
people say, see, Glock shouldn't have caved in because it
just encourages them. They'll never stop. And there is something
to that. I doubt that Ruger will cave on that,
just my impression. Don't have any inside information at all,
but I don't see them caving on that.
Speaker 2 (27:07):
But there is more of the cosmetic changes. It's not well,
I don't know, maybe it's more than that anymore. I
don't I don't search out parts like that, So maybe
there is.
Speaker 3 (27:19):
More to it than that.
Speaker 2 (27:20):
But I thought it was just changing, you know, grips
for the glock for the Yeah.
Speaker 4 (27:28):
No, what they're saying is that the Ruger, I guess,
could still be converted to fall auto or anything could
be converted to flato if you're willing to break the law. Yeah,
there's because it requires you to commit a felony to
do it the first place, right, so you will say,
but yeah, look, the gun banners never give up and
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they never slow down, and they were very much encouraged
every time. Was crowing with glee. After the Tuesday election,
I'm sure they're saying, our candidates won, and our Measure
one in Maine, we've got, you know, the gun confiscation,
red red flag law, and they are encouraged and they
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are going to press forward hard in the next election.
Speaker 2 (28:15):
And if people don't pay close enough attention, all of
that falls inward. I know that we're not on a
coastal state here, but it all falls inward. It just
might take a little bit longer to get sure.
Speaker 4 (28:26):
Oh absolutely. I mean, imagine, is there any state where
you don't have a large city that is pretty much
democratcratically controlled that sways the number of votes in the state,
and at least half the states are that way. You know,
you got Colorado with Denver running everything. You know you
(28:49):
in Chicago, Illinois? Yeah, exactly, So yes, to your point,
you're exactly right, Michelle, that no matter where you live,
this is important to you. And if you think it's not,
it's only because you're just not paying attention.
Speaker 3 (29:02):
Right, So there's that.
Speaker 2 (29:04):
Well, and now you know next year is pivotal and
we have Nancy Pelosi announcing her retirement in.
Speaker 3 (29:14):
I'm sorry, Jim, I'm sorry.
Speaker 5 (29:16):
She's my poster girl. I got a picture for in
my locker.
Speaker 2 (29:19):
But you know they're not a Nobody is doing themselves
a favor right now on either side.
Speaker 4 (29:30):
Well, what do you mean by that?
Speaker 3 (29:32):
I just with where we are.
Speaker 2 (29:33):
We're in a stagnant We can't we can't get our
government opened up, we can't get things back on track
to where they.
Speaker 3 (29:40):
Need to be for the people.
Speaker 2 (29:42):
It just, you know, it is putting a sour taste
in people's mouths.
Speaker 3 (29:47):
I think on both sides it is.
Speaker 4 (29:50):
But at the same time I look at it and go, Okay,
let's see Republicans keep voting to keep the government open,
Democrats keep voting to close it down. This is not
equal on either side. This is completely a one side
of Democrats shutting things down for the And look, the
reason they did it is because it worked, because it
won them these elections last Tuesday. That's why they kept
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the government shut down.
Speaker 5 (30:14):
Well, and.
Speaker 2 (30:16):
I guess to carry that further, this is all you
hear on mainstream media about the only thing that you hear.
Speaker 4 (30:27):
Well, it's like, you know, Fox News call themselves news.
They don't do any news that's not political. Everything they
do is political. It's like there was a big explosion,
there was an airplane crash there, so none of us there.
They're not news. They're just a pure political propaganda outlet.
And it's on if you will our side, and then
the other side has their feed on their side, and
(30:50):
you're right, that's all they talk about. And it makes people.
I think it gives people a really warped idea of what's.
Speaker 2 (30:59):
Going on because you're listening to just all what you
feel already, what you've already been fed already.
Speaker 6 (31:06):
Which is why all the algorithms and everything on Facebook
and Amazon and everything else feed what you what you
are into.
Speaker 4 (31:14):
Yeah, it's like, you know, and I'm convinced that if
you talk about you I want to buy, I'm looking
at buying something. All of a sudden, as ads pop up,
I think they're listening through every phone.
Speaker 3 (31:22):
Absolutely, oh sure, absolutely, So.
Speaker 4 (31:25):
We're all at the place where yeah, okay, find me
on and we know that.
Speaker 3 (31:27):
During that oh you just buy a bike shop? You
were interested in what you.
Speaker 6 (31:31):
Do do a bunch of searches for strict nine years
undiscovered strict nine years?
Speaker 5 (31:36):
What's the proper? Get knocks down your door off real quick?
Speaker 4 (31:40):
You're gonna have something knock on your door yet.
Speaker 2 (31:42):
It's just a frustrating time right now that we're in
for sure with what gets fed and what you you know,
listen to or if you're not strong in your thoughts
and where you stand with things, you're people can be
easily swayed one way or the other.
Speaker 6 (31:58):
I guess I'm kind of the eternal optimists because I
think what's going to happen is the Dems they have
taken over in their different areas and stuff are going
to fall flat on their face. We're going to continue
to make strides and commit. I'm going to predict you.
I'm going to bet you eat your dinner that we
do real well in the midterms, contrary to what everybody.
Speaker 3 (32:16):
Else takes that I don't like hot dogs.
Speaker 5 (32:19):
I'm just saying.
Speaker 4 (32:21):
If we.
Speaker 5 (32:23):
Sta sauce, it'll be a steak dinner show. Sorry, Tom.
Speaker 4 (32:26):
I think we will be luckily lucky to break even
in the midterm. Yeah, I think there's I think there's
an excellent chance we get our butts handed to it.
Speaker 2 (32:34):
And I guess that's where I, you know, wanted to
go with the conversation is because, Okay, we've just seen
this happen. We've just seen a large Democratic swing come through,
and now next year we have pivotal elections that have
to go the right direction for us to even.
Speaker 6 (32:54):
Don't you think the demise that's going to happen in
these areas is going to be enough to prove our point.
Speaker 3 (32:59):
I don't know if that'll happen, not even close.
Speaker 4 (33:01):
No, it won't happen in a year. Two people won't
know about it because the media won't cover it. Three
And this is the thing that covers up everything else,
and nothing else matters. You have enough people who hate
Donald Trump, and that determines everything for them. Everything they think,
everything they do, everything is about hate Donald Trump. If
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you in any way support him, or if I can,
if somebody else can just say you support Trump, then
we not only would like to defeat you at the polls,
we actually would like to put a bullet in your head.
Speaker 2 (33:35):
Right, That is so true, because people just want to
squash and run the other way. I mean, we've seen
it plenty of times already with the short history we have.
Speaker 3 (33:45):
Right, he endorses somebody, they lose.
Speaker 4 (33:49):
It's really amazing. The Trump durings at syndrome is truly real,
and the hatred of him is very difficult for If
you're a Trump supporter, I don't think you really understand
the level of not just disapproval, I'm talking about true,
(34:09):
visceral hatred of a level that will well clearly willing
to kill, murder him, try twice, murder Charlie Kirk, murder
other people involved with that movement. There's a level of
hatred that drives the electorate. And Jim back to your point,
(34:33):
I think that will motivate the left to turn out,
and I think the right will tend to sit on
their rear ends and not turn out of the vote.
Speaker 5 (34:43):
Okay, got dinner.
Speaker 3 (34:48):
The other side of that, too, is just sitting and listening.
I can't do that. First of all, I have a job.
Speaker 2 (34:54):
But sitting and listening to that feed all day long,
I just really feel.
Speaker 3 (35:01):
And I'm sure I'm not the only one.
Speaker 2 (35:04):
All it does is create bigger lines in between us,
you know, it separates people more and more, fuels the
hatred more and more, and they don't get called out
on it.
Speaker 4 (35:17):
The best thing you can do for your own mental
health and just well being and feeling good is to
simply turn off the feet. Yeah, put down your phone,
don't go online, don't scroll, don't go on TikTok or
Facebook or x or any of there's other places, and
take not just a day, take a week off of it,
and then see how you feel about it. Don't listen
(35:39):
to it, don't turn that on the TV. Just stay
away from it completely. Take a one week vacation from it,
and you're gonna go, ah, wow, I'm not really as
mad at people as I thought it would.
Speaker 7 (35:50):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (35:51):
I was traveling somewhere yesterday and on the.
Speaker 2 (35:55):
Radio, one of the dj was talking about a case
that somebody has designed and it weighs six pounds and
you are supposed to put your phone in this case
and it's supposed to help.
Speaker 3 (36:08):
Break that cycle or that habit of holding onto your
phone all the time. I was like, wow, this is
what we've come to. You have to hold a dumb.
Speaker 4 (36:17):
Bell a tungsten case for your phone.
Speaker 5 (36:22):
I love it. If you dig you see it there.
Speaker 6 (36:26):
They are sponsored by the National Chiropractic Association.
Speaker 4 (36:30):
Yeah. Really, no kidding, that's right.
Speaker 2 (36:31):
Yeah, but it is definitely a problem that our society has,
you know, just staying on the media, staying on the social.
Speaker 5 (36:42):
Media, staying on your phone in general.
Speaker 4 (36:46):
But you know, back to the election, I'm telling you
that the folks under thirty are living on their in
their phones and they're and they're living on TikTok yep,
and they're getting fed this and they feel justified. That's
picking a number on the under thirty deal. But just
a lot of folks completely feel justified at being outraged.
(37:08):
They like being outraged. It feels good to be outraged.
It feels you are superior to other people because you
are outraged about something, and that gets fed. And I'm
just telling you, I think the Trump hatred will ramp up.
I think the media will play that up hard. And
I mean all the way from saying, oh boy, you're
(37:29):
handcuffing children. Yeah, it didn't happen, never happen, But there
are people who believe that that's what's going on right now.
Speaker 2 (37:36):
Well, the holidays are coming, so we better just talk
religion and not politics.
Speaker 5 (37:41):
That's a way to not start any family seat.
Speaker 4 (37:43):
And that way you only have fist fights and not gunfighters. Right.
Speaker 2 (37:46):
Oh, but you know, I mean it just it's fueled
and people are hot and heavy about this.
Speaker 3 (37:53):
You're right, I do.
Speaker 5 (37:56):
You know.
Speaker 4 (37:56):
I'm very quick to tell people we're not talking about that. Yeah,
I start to bring it up. I said, you know,
we're not talking about that, and they said, yeah, but
I said no, no, no, stop, And this is literally
what I said. I said, you're not listening to me.
We're not going to talk about that. It's like they go,
say no, because we're having a lovely conversation here, and
(38:18):
I know how you feel about it, you know how
I feel about it, and neither of us is going
to convince the other of anything here and we're just
going to come away with hard feelings. So literally, we
are not going to talk about it. I have stopped
a number of conversations right in the middle of it
with that, just say no, no, no, no, we're not doing that. Well.
Speaker 3 (38:38):
I think you have to for your own sanity.
Speaker 5 (38:40):
I just looked at it and say racist. It's my
go to and that always makes it feel better.
Speaker 2 (38:47):
But all this all this fuel, though, gosh, so hard
on the body to feel that tense all day long.
Speaker 4 (38:56):
He in general, it is on health. You're exactly right.
So speaking of that, I'm gonna go, you know, have
some wine, whiskey and chocolate nice because I want to
be health.
Speaker 5 (39:09):
Comfort foods for you.
Speaker 6 (39:11):
Yeah, it'll be a rid by medium rare. By the way,
time when we go to dinner.
Speaker 4 (39:15):
Way, we had uh, we had freight train chili last night?
Speaker 5 (39:19):
Did you how was he?
Speaker 4 (39:20):
Yes? Was great. Moose Chili was fabul We had a
bunch of neighbors over and we all had moose chili
and it was fabulous awesome. So there you go, all right,
And on that note, we should probably in before we
get mad at each other again. Never never, you guys
(39:43):
have a wonderful week.
Speaker 3 (39:46):
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Speaker 4 (00:39):
Time for the after show, because we completed the first
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Speaker 3 (00:46):
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Speaker 4 (00:48):
We all love leftovers, don't we.
Speaker 5 (00:51):
It sounds better than the doggy Bag Show.
Speaker 4 (00:53):
Oh there's that. It's like, yeah, we're the kids, says
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Speaker 2 (01:00):
It's better than aftermath too, So after shows great.
Speaker 4 (01:07):
Yeah, there you go, got Jim Kinzie and Michelle Cleveland. Hello,
my friends. And we had a fellow with a Scottish
accent today, which I thought was fund Yeah. Rob Gearing
from Spartan Precision talk about some interesting bipods and tripods,
interesting stuff.
Speaker 6 (01:23):
I think it's cool that you don't need one for
every rifle. That to me was a point right there.
Speaker 4 (01:28):
Yeah, yeah, you get one setup and then you mount
them all your different rifles. You just put on the
little attachment and right on. So cool, cool stuff. All right, Well,
tay what we got a whole lineup of people that
want to be part of the after show, so let's
just start on them. All right, Let's go grab Tom.
He's online one out of Fargo, North Dakota. Hey Tom,
thanks for your patients. Let's talk to ash Cans.
Speaker 7 (01:48):
Oh yes, sir, yeah, and so on one other quick thing.
I really enjoy your musings. Uh there, I get a
lot of good information on your new when you're music
about different different topics. But anyway, dash cams. Yes, and
so there's there's two dash cams. Actually it's a package
(02:09):
that's on my wish list. It will cost me about
fifteen hundred dollars, well the cost of a good gun,
but the two dash cams. It come with a three
year warranty each. Put them in two sides of the car.
It will cover almost three hundred and sixty degrees out
looking outside at the car, So it will capture every
(02:30):
angle just about except for a little bit on a fender.
One of the fenders, there's a about twelve inches. It
doesn't cover. It'll even cover people.
Speaker 4 (02:40):
What go Ahead's the brand of it. That's because I
mean I'll see dash cams listed to like one hundred
and fifty way. What are these?
Speaker 7 (02:50):
I think these are motorola I think yeah, they're about
they're about seven hundred dollars for each camera they're being
there's a place here in Fargo that puts them in.
They put into a lot of them. I asked him,
you put in too, and they said, sure, no problem,
just get me it would take. I think the money
(03:14):
covers the it covers the insulation because they've got to
get in running around. I've got a full sunroof on this.
I've got to afford edge. They got to tuck it all.
Speaker 5 (03:24):
All the wires.
Speaker 7 (03:27):
Yeah, but they said it will cover almost three hundred
and sixty degrees. Is like three hundred and fifty degrees
of the car. So if someone's coming at you from
road rage, there's your proof. You know, if someone has
a problem on an accident, there's your proof because they're
coming at you or they run into you. But that's
(03:47):
on my wish list.
Speaker 4 (03:49):
Are you in a hit and run? Are you going
to identify who it is and say, you know, here's
the video of it, or you know, I don't think
much of somebody to you know, and people live they'll say, yeah,
he ran into me. No, no, no, we have the video,
and they go, oh, okay, you got the video. Never mind.
Speaker 8 (04:06):
Yeah.
Speaker 7 (04:06):
And a lot of times you'll see people backing down
a hill and they'll hit the person behind them and
they'll say, well, you ran into me. Well, except the
dash camera will tell you different.
Speaker 4 (04:16):
Yeah, you know, and there are I mean, and right now,
it's going to be a great time because I guarantee
you a lot of this stuff is going to be
on these Black Friday sales and they're gonna be selling
for a whole lot less.
Speaker 7 (04:29):
Oh yes, but I don't think they're gonna sell less
for this at this place. They may have a few
bucks off, right, but they sell so well, I think
they're not gonna probably do yeah exactly, yeah, yeah, but
I just thought i'd toss that out because it would
cover these bicyclists that never stop at stop signs and
they've just run across. Yeah, the hit if they hit
(04:52):
the side of your car, they're gonna say you hit them, Well,
not really.
Speaker 4 (04:59):
St there you go. Hey, Tom good idea, Thanks sir,
I appreciate that. And yeah, there are obviously a lot
of dash cam's going to be available for a good
bit les one hundred and fifty two hundred dollars. And
it's funny we were talking about the Black Friday deals
before we get to our other callers. While we're doing
the show, I get an email promotional email from Smith
and Wesson. They've got a new one hundred dollars off
(05:20):
on any of their long guns as a special promotion.
They're doing a rebate deal. So those are going to
start popping up everywhere.
Speaker 5 (05:29):
And the industry software right now.
Speaker 6 (05:30):
So you can combine that with Black Friday sales, you
get some good opportunities.
Speaker 4 (05:34):
No exactly right, good deal, all right, double dip? What
would I would think? So, yeah, lets you buy more guns?
I like this. All right, let's go talk to Dentnis
out of Cortes. Colrade, Dennis, thank you for hanging in there.
What's on your mind, sir?
Speaker 9 (05:54):
Well, I'm a retired law enforcement I did thirty four
years and four of them was as a sheriff. And
one thing I want to really really advocate for the
people out there is vote for the sheriff who believes
in gun rights. And I think it was twenty fourteen
or something, there was fifty five sheriffs from Colorado went
to the state capitol to protest Governor hicken Hooper's magazine
(06:17):
ban and that was out of sixty one sheriff So
that was pretty fantastic. And I think that everybody should
realize that they can do something by voting locally and
making sure that the person that they vote for sheriff
represents what they believe.
Speaker 3 (06:35):
Amax.
Speaker 4 (06:36):
It's a really good point because sheriffs are elected and
they tend to be a little bit more responsive. But
you do have some and they're pretty easy to figure
out who they are who are really not good on
gun rights. You want to say, look, have you ever testified?
Have you ever had any statements? But here's the thing, Dennis,
it requires the individual voter to do some research. Do
(06:58):
it actual a little bit of work to find out,
doesn't it?
Speaker 9 (07:02):
It's very simple ask just to ask him what do
you feel about gun rights? And if you've got a
good shriff, he's going to tell you what he feels.
The wish you watch, you want, you're going to know it.
If he's running for election, you'll know and ask them
what they feel about guns. Ask him if they owned guns,
ask them what their opinion is. I always like people
(07:24):
that carried concealed weapons because if I knew if I
needed a backup, I knew I had it. And if
you talk to most people, most people would say, I
will make it back up my law enforcement. If I'm
driving down the road and I see him in trouble,
I'm going to help him out. And I loved it.
I love the idea that somebody sitting in that audience
had my back.
Speaker 4 (07:44):
Hey, Dennis, let me ask you because that's an interesting thing.
A lot of us have thought about that. So I
would come to the help of law enforced officers in trouble,
but at the same time got to be careful about
running into a situation. One of the things I've thought
about is as your approach, you say, officer, do you
need help?
Speaker 9 (08:03):
Make sure you may write contact with that aulcer because
he doesn't know if you're a good guy or a
bad guy. Yeah, let's let him know what your intentions
are and let him know I'm here to help. Do
you need my help? Sometimes they'll tell you no, they've
got to do in the control. Uh, but they don't
they're gonna they're gonna ask for your help.
Speaker 5 (08:24):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (08:24):
Oh yeah, yeah. Don't brow your gun to do that
before you've got a gun out.
Speaker 9 (08:28):
Yeah, absolutely, no, no, no, no, you don't. You don't
want to have that gun out. You want to be
ready if you need to, but don't come running up
to an aufcer with a gun.
Speaker 5 (08:36):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (08:37):
Yeah, good point, good point, Thank you, Dennis. I appreciate that. Hey,
let's do this. Uh, I want to I want to
get the Howard, but I'd like to take the quick
quick break here. Does that make sense to everybody?
Speaker 5 (08:47):
Sure, okay, let's Howard.
Speaker 4 (08:49):
Dog go anywhere. We're gonna get you on the Oh
yeah sure, she says, it's your call. But Jim's over
there with the buttons where I kind of go away.
Speaker 3 (08:55):
You didn't forget about that cat.
Speaker 4 (08:56):
No, he thought he's got that button thing, doesn't he?
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Speaker 4 (09:40):
Can I talk now, Jim? Now? Now?
Speaker 3 (09:42):
You can?
Speaker 5 (09:44):
If only, if though.
Speaker 6 (09:47):
Only if you join your state Rifle and Pistol Association
gun rights group, because that would be a perfect way
to support Dennis's point about how do you know if
your sheriff, well, your state gun group would know.
Speaker 4 (09:59):
Good, good point, you know. And the other thing is
ask him appointed question like okay, well tell me, tell
me how you feel about red flag flag laws? How
should red flag laws be implemented? Implemented? And if they
come back and say, well, it's a bad idea altogether,
we shouldn't have them, you go, okay, that's my gouty.
Speaker 3 (10:17):
Oh yeah, you know, time to go to a meeting.
Speaker 5 (10:21):
I've got means to.
Speaker 4 (10:22):
Look at there. You go, Well, you guys do that.
I'm gonna go talk to Howard. Okay, Hey, Howard.
Speaker 8 (10:30):
How are you, sir, I'm fine, thank you very much.
Speaker 4 (10:34):
So I see here you took the DPI class, the
Diagnostic Pistol Instructor class that range ready I have taken
that class. I am really curious to get your take
on it.
Speaker 8 (10:47):
Well, I am proof that Chris can teach anyone.
Speaker 4 (10:57):
Okay, fill in the blanks. What are you talking about?
Speaker 8 (11:04):
I had, and probably upon occasion still have a pretty
good anticipation flinch. I mean, I was aware of it,
but I did not was not aware as how bad
it was until he, in his emin upful way, educated me.
(11:27):
So it was an outstanding class, it truly was. It
taught me two things. One how much I need to improve,
how much I need to practice now that I've had
the training, and that there are a lot better shooters
out there that I need to step up to their level.
Because it was very educational, not only in the amount
(11:52):
that allowed me to see what I need to improve
upon myself, but to see how other people did things
that can help me improve and how you can take
those lessons and instruct other people. I mean, I'm not
a firearms instructor in any formal sense of the word.
I've taught firearms safety to my family and basic principles
(12:14):
to my family. But beyond that, you know, that's about
the extent of it. But this will help me drill
into them better techniques and better skill set for you know.
Speaker 4 (12:29):
The other thing you're going to get out of it
is with the DPI course, you learn how to diagnose
your own shooting. That's not an easy thing to do
for most of us. And now you go, Okay, I
see what I'm doing. I remember I'm doing that again.
I need to work on that. And it just makes
you a lot more aware of what you're doing, don't
you find absolutely?
Speaker 8 (12:50):
Absolutely? I mean by the end, and he'll tell you this,
and I think everyone in the class will tell you this.
There is a market improvement in my own abilities, and
for that I am extremely thankful. When I called earlier
before the class, we spoke and I said, I just
bought a new cig p P two nine three fifty
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five and now with what I've learned, I'm comfortable and
competent that i can utilize it, you know, at a
reasonable range. Now, am I going to make a fifty
yard shot? No? But if I have to get in
a position where I've got to make a fifty yard shot,
I'm probably going to look for an escape route.
Speaker 4 (13:39):
Ah, perfect, Well yeah, well probably don't need it. So
let me ask you. You said something in the middle
of that I think was really interesting, and it was
that you now know how good other people are. I'm
taking it from that. You have never shot competition, and
you probably have never taken another any class like this anywhere.
Speaker 8 (14:02):
No, I've I've shot competition since two thousand and seven.
I'm typically lower third, so I know what good shooters right,
all right, all.
Speaker 4 (14:14):
Right, so you do know what other people can do that,
all right?
Speaker 8 (14:16):
Yes, But the difference is in competition, you're not looking
at that one whole group. You're looking at you know,
holds on an M SICK or us PSC up.
Speaker 4 (14:31):
Oh okay, yeah yeah yeah, different, different kind of competition. Yeah,
because yeah, you need. What you'd find out with Chris
is you should be able to put all those shots
pretty close to being through the same hole.
Speaker 8 (14:42):
Right, Yes, absolutely, And.
Speaker 4 (14:48):
Here's how Chris puts it. He says, Look, you know,
it's just a piece of paper stuck onto a piece
of cardboard that stay pled onto a stick. It's not
shooting at you. You should be able to put all
the shots into the same that's right.
Speaker 2 (15:02):
Do you find based upon the class could you observe
other people and techniques that maybe were happening. Did you
start picking up on what kin corrections needed to be made?
Speaker 8 (15:15):
Not so much from other people. I saw what they
could do and what they could perform to a level.
There were some truly outstanding shooters in that group. What
I picked up from it is the biggest thing I
picked up from it was my grip. He significantly helped
me improve my grip. My grip was not that great,
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and I'd taken the hands to gunclasts and Maxi Michelle,
I've shown us how to do a proper grip. But
I if you don't do this consistently, you fall back
into bad habits.
Speaker 3 (15:49):
Yep.
Speaker 8 (15:50):
And my problem is with my work schedule and travel schedule.
I travel a lot for work. It's hard for me
to get to the range to emphasize those aspects. I
typically try to shoot a competition a month if I can,
but I go there primarily for the weapons handling and
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manipulation skills as opposed to the finer points.
Speaker 2 (16:16):
Right, So those are the points that you're able to
take home and put into teaching newcomers or family members.
Speaker 8 (16:23):
Correct. Yeah, I mean, as an example, this weekend, I
on my way down to Okala, where I've got a house,
I stopped by my nephews and he shot some competition
and you know, I said, show me your grip and
he basically had the same grip that I had because
I taught him my grip was wrong and his grip
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was wrong. Well, no, do this grip. It's a better grip.
And so you know, that's that's the value of getting
the training. You know, as you say, a lot, there's
a lot of people out here who go to the
range and think they're ready. Sorry, you're not right. The
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difference between a printer and or, let me use Christ's words,
the difference between a shooter and a Marshall artist in
the gun skill set is a world of difference.
Speaker 4 (17:30):
Oh yeah, of course. The thing is, I hear you
editing because we can't say, although this is not on
the radio, but on the radio, we certainly cannot use
Christmas language. If you're if.
Speaker 8 (17:45):
You'rey school, eight years in the.
Speaker 4 (17:50):
Yeah, it's not a problem. But for those who thinks,
you know, like here's the deal. You quickly get over
because you realize that Chris use this language as a
way to get your attention and to make a point.
He never uses a word that he hasn't thought about using.
And if he says something, you're going, oh wow, that
was kind of course. Yeah, but you know what, you
remembered it and it made a point.
Speaker 8 (18:09):
It got through absolutely. And I will say this, I've
had a lot of instructors, both in the military, martial
arts and college and through my education. Chris is truly
among the best because it's not so much that he
can teach, it's he wants to teach. Uh huh, And
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that makes a world of difference. His ability to diagnose.
I've done a knee problem, and he said, keep an
eye on Howard. I know he's got a knee problem.
I saw that from the first a and I'm going, oh.
Speaker 2 (18:48):
Awareness, Yeah, he saw you walking to the line and
probably noticed that and made a note of it as
you walk it up to the line.
Speaker 6 (18:56):
World class trainer. But what a lowsy bowler, Tom, you know,
I mean, come on, oh.
Speaker 4 (19:03):
Well, what are you gonna do? Well? How are your takeaway?
Just on? Was this your first time down to range? Ready?
Speaker 8 (19:12):
Now? This is actually my third I took the hands
to gun two years ago, the first one, and like
I said, I but you know, the issue with that,
as far as my concern is, you're mixing two things.
You're mixing the hand to hand aspects and the shooting aspects.
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I mean, I've got a black belt in judo, so
I thought I knew basics in you know, hand to hand,
but uh, Steve Torino taught me otherwise.
Speaker 4 (19:48):
Yeah, yeah, he does.
Speaker 5 (19:50):
Go.
Speaker 2 (19:50):
You've had some great and strict Yeah, you've really taken
yourself into a high class teaching class.
Speaker 8 (20:00):
Last year I took the carving class.
Speaker 4 (20:05):
That was good.
Speaker 8 (20:06):
I wanted to take the pistol class, but I could
never fit that into my schedule. And you know, I've
told Chris, you know, just look for me about the
same time every year and you know, shake your head.
Speaker 4 (20:20):
You know. The one thing, one thing I would end
with on this Howard, is that your work. Talk about
working your grip. You fall back at old habits, grip
that gun. Every single day. Work on that grip, work
on side alignment, work on dry fire, even if you
got a dummy gun, but just work on building that
grip every day to the point where you absolutely forget
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what you used to do and you instinctively do it
the right way now, and then doing it daily for
five minutes will make a huge difference.
Speaker 2 (20:53):
And can I just kind of jump on that time
because of what I have always come across in teaching
somebody is if you go through and you now teach
someone and it can be a you know, a family
member or a good friend, somebody brand knew that you
want to take out to the range, which of course
is all paint afford in our industry. But when you
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teach it and you repeatedly say the same thing over
and over.
Speaker 3 (21:18):
You you learn it. Yeah, you automatically start doing it yourself.
Speaker 4 (21:22):
A great point. Yeah, yeah, they say they stay to
really learn something, you need to teach it.
Speaker 3 (21:27):
Yeah, so learn it, do it, teach it.
Speaker 6 (21:31):
Say that those who can do, those who can't teach,
and those who can't teach teach.
Speaker 5 (21:36):
Pizzed gosh, something like that.
Speaker 4 (21:41):
You know, I knew we could count.
Speaker 6 (21:44):
Say hey, Howard before we let you go. You have
property in Okalla, right?
Speaker 8 (21:49):
Correct?
Speaker 5 (21:49):
Okay? Are you a golfer? Buy any chance?
Speaker 8 (21:53):
Start with a word that started with an age.
Speaker 6 (21:55):
But no, okay, I'm gonna say because because the similar
between shooting and golf are so similar, just substitute the term.
I mean the grip, you know, your focus, your breathing,
you follow through and the cos with it when you
don't do well.
Speaker 4 (22:14):
And actually, who do you think about it all sports?
If you think of you know, grip, stance, alignment, follow
through in all sports, I don't care what they are.
You've got the same thing. It's just that. And I
talk about follow through. I see so many people when
they fire the shot, they immediately drop the gun down,
and I started to thing, got to see ourselves. I
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want you to be looking through the sites after the shot,
ready to take the next shot. So you when you
get through it, you're firing the shot, you should look
like you're just about to pull the trigger every time,
and that will really make your follow through work for you.
Speaker 5 (22:52):
Yeah, the similarities just surprise me.
Speaker 4 (22:54):
Yeah they are. Hey, Howard, thank you so much. I
appreciate the that's a very involved and top level range
of sort.
Speaker 5 (23:00):
Sir, thank you you too.
Speaker 4 (23:03):
You take care. Interesting how when the first he said
I hadn't seen you know, how good people could be,
I'm thinking he hadn't shot competitions to the other shooters,
but he had. It's just in a different environment because
if you're shooting IDPA or ipstick, all you have to
do is put the shots inside of an ason, which
is pretty big, really, Yeah, and then when somebody says, yeah,
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I want you to put all the shots into this
target basically where they touch, you go, oh, thats a
lot of concentration.
Speaker 5 (23:35):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (23:36):
It kind of goes to the conversation we were having
last week where you know, red dots allow you to
hit a plate. You can hit a plate in anywhere
you want to, but it might not be consistently the
same placement of the shot, right. It might not always
be dead center. It might be two o'clock, it might
be seven. You know, you're kind of catching the movement,
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but you have a little bit more grace having to
do the bullseye shooting. Or a smaller target even just
you know, a small circle really forces you to pay
closer attention to the exact placement.
Speaker 6 (24:12):
Now, are those on the same time constraints like on
the easier, more forgiving courses or methodologies. It's you know,
you've got a clock going, but you can shoot a
little sloppy because you're going for time, but I.
Speaker 5 (24:25):
Mean, are the same time constraints on the bullseye or.
Speaker 4 (24:29):
Actual bullsye shoot use a different thing at what we're
talking about, because they're just talking about trying to make
really good shots so you can have much time you
want to. I mean, I tell people, look, taking as
much time as you want, Okay, okay, I mean, if
you want to take a day to fire three shots,
do it. But I want them all touching. What I
find is that if you gave them all the time
in the world, they still couldn't do it because they
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don't have the basics down right.
Speaker 6 (24:51):
I guess I was just comparing, you know, is it
a timed event versus is bullseye stuff time to event?
Speaker 3 (24:58):
Well, in competition at all of it is, it's all you.
Speaker 5 (25:01):
Still got to crack them off quick. Yep.
Speaker 7 (25:03):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (25:03):
They get so many shots for twenty minutes or thirty
It just depends on Okay, let me shooting, okay, thank you.
Speaker 4 (25:10):
Yeah, but with IDPA or ipstick, obviously the faster you go,
the better your score. But you offset that with hits
versus missus and so you yeah, you go fast, uh,
but you still would need to make your hits. You
got the A zone, but AC and Miss I can't remember.
Speaker 5 (25:33):
So there's a ratio of here.
Speaker 6 (25:34):
Well you'd stopped, you had twenty seconds left, but your
shots weren't.
Speaker 4 (25:37):
Good and it adds to your time, gotcha.
Speaker 2 (25:39):
Okay, Yeah, it's fascinating to watch the guys that do
not just the three gun, because three guns pretty exciting
to watch too, but to watch the action shooting, and
it is excited.
Speaker 3 (25:53):
I don't know if you can really take away anything
because it happens so fast.
Speaker 2 (25:58):
That's not like they're breaking down, for instance, direction, but
just to watch them, it's amazing.
Speaker 3 (26:03):
These guys are fast.
Speaker 5 (26:05):
I wouldn't know, Michelle, you've never taken me in one
of those events.
Speaker 4 (26:09):
Well, there's this thing called YouTube and you can actually
watch there. Yeah, at least for now, until until they
take them down there. Yeah, that's right.
Speaker 3 (26:24):
Man.
Speaker 4 (26:25):
So oh, let's see other stories. You know about Glock
making their changes to the pistols because of the switch,
and now the same outfit that went after Glock is
going after Ruger. You're saying, because they've got the RX. Yep,
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it's a Gen three block type and then you need
to make changes to your guns and a lot of
people say, see, Glock shouldn't have caved in because it
just encourages them. They'll never stop. And there is something
to that. I doubt that Ruger will cave on that,
just my impression. Don't have any inside information at all,
but I don't see them caving on that.
Speaker 2 (27:07):
But there is more of the cosmetic changes. It's not well,
I don't know, maybe it's more than that anymore. I
don't I don't search out parts like that, So maybe
there is.
Speaker 3 (27:19):
More to it than that.
Speaker 2 (27:20):
But I thought it was just changing, you know, grips
for the glock for the Yeah.
Speaker 4 (27:28):
No, what they're saying is that the Ruger, I guess,
could still be converted to fall auto or anything could
be converted to flato if you're willing to break the law. Yeah,
there's because it requires you to commit a felony to
do it the first place, right, so you will say,
but yeah, look, the gun banners never give up and
(27:49):
they never slow down, and they were very much encouraged
every time. Was crowing with glee. After the Tuesday election,
I'm sure they're saying, our candidates won, and our Measure
one in Maine, we've got, you know, the gun confiscation,
red red flag law, and they are encouraged and they
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are going to press forward hard in the next election.
Speaker 2 (28:15):
And if people don't pay close enough attention, all of
that falls inward. I know that we're not on a
coastal state here, but it all falls inward. It just
might take a little bit longer to get sure.
Speaker 4 (28:26):
Oh absolutely. I mean, imagine, is there any state where
you don't have a large city that is pretty much
democratcratically controlled that sways the number of votes in the state,
and at least half the states are that way. You know,
you got Colorado with Denver running everything. You know you
(28:49):
in Chicago, Illinois? Yeah, exactly, So yes, to your point,
you're exactly right, Michelle, that no matter where you live,
this is important to you. And if you think it's not,
it's only because you're just not paying attention.
Speaker 3 (29:02):
Right, So there's that.
Speaker 2 (29:04):
Well, and now you know next year is pivotal and
we have Nancy Pelosi announcing her retirement in.
Speaker 3 (29:14):
I'm sorry, Jim, I'm sorry.
Speaker 5 (29:16):
She's my poster girl. I got a picture for in
my locker.
Speaker 2 (29:19):
But you know they're not a Nobody is doing themselves
a favor right now on either side.
Speaker 4 (29:30):
Well, what do you mean by that?
Speaker 3 (29:32):
I just with where we are.
Speaker 2 (29:33):
We're in a stagnant We can't we can't get our
government opened up, we can't get things back on track
to where they.
Speaker 3 (29:40):
Need to be for the people.
Speaker 2 (29:42):
It just, you know, it is putting a sour taste
in people's mouths.
Speaker 3 (29:47):
I think on both sides it is.
Speaker 4 (29:50):
But at the same time I look at it and go, Okay,
let's see Republicans keep voting to keep the government open,
Democrats keep voting to close it down. This is not
equal on either side. This is completely a one side
of Democrats shutting things down for the And look, the
reason they did it is because it worked, because it
won them these elections last Tuesday. That's why they kept
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the government shut down.
Speaker 5 (30:14):
Well, and.
Speaker 2 (30:16):
I guess to carry that further, this is all you
hear on mainstream media about the only thing that you hear.
Speaker 4 (30:27):
Well, it's like, you know, Fox News call themselves news.
They don't do any news that's not political. Everything they
do is political. It's like there was a big explosion,
there was an airplane crash there, so none of us there.
They're not news. They're just a pure political propaganda outlet.
And it's on if you will our side, and then
the other side has their feed on their side, and
(30:50):
you're right, that's all they talk about. And it makes people.
I think it gives people a really warped idea of what's.
Speaker 2 (30:59):
Going on because you're listening to just all what you
feel already, what you've already been fed already.
Speaker 6 (31:06):
Which is why all the algorithms and everything on Facebook
and Amazon and everything else feed what you what you
are into.
Speaker 4 (31:14):
Yeah, it's like, you know, and I'm convinced that if
you talk about you I want to buy, I'm looking
at buying something. All of a sudden, as ads pop up,
I think they're listening through every phone.
Speaker 3 (31:22):
Absolutely, oh sure, absolutely, So.
Speaker 4 (31:25):
We're all at the place where yeah, okay, find me
on and we know that.
Speaker 3 (31:27):
During that oh you just buy a bike shop? You
were interested in what you.
Speaker 6 (31:31):
Do do a bunch of searches for strict nine years
undiscovered strict nine years?
Speaker 5 (31:36):
What's the proper? Get knocks down your door off real quick?
Speaker 4 (31:40):
You're gonna have something knock on your door yet.
Speaker 2 (31:42):
It's just a frustrating time right now that we're in
for sure with what gets fed and what you you know,
listen to or if you're not strong in your thoughts
and where you stand with things, you're people can be
easily swayed one way or the other.
Speaker 6 (31:58):
I guess I'm kind of the eternal optimists because I
think what's going to happen is the Dems they have
taken over in their different areas and stuff are going
to fall flat on their face. We're going to continue
to make strides and commit. I'm going to predict you.
I'm going to bet you eat your dinner that we
do real well in the midterms, contrary to what everybody.
Speaker 3 (32:16):
Else takes that I don't like hot dogs.
Speaker 5 (32:19):
I'm just saying.
Speaker 4 (32:21):
If we.
Speaker 5 (32:23):
Sta sauce, it'll be a steak dinner show. Sorry, Tom.
Speaker 4 (32:26):
I think we will be luckily lucky to break even
in the midterm. Yeah, I think there's I think there's
an excellent chance we get our butts handed to it.
Speaker 2 (32:34):
And I guess that's where I, you know, wanted to
go with the conversation is because, Okay, we've just seen
this happen. We've just seen a large Democratic swing come through,
and now next year we have pivotal elections that have
to go the right direction for us to even.
Speaker 6 (32:54):
Don't you think the demise that's going to happen in
these areas is going to be enough to prove our point.
Speaker 3 (32:59):
I don't know if that'll happen, not even close.
Speaker 4 (33:01):
No, it won't happen in a year. Two people won't
know about it because the media won't cover it. Three
And this is the thing that covers up everything else,
and nothing else matters. You have enough people who hate
Donald Trump, and that determines everything for them. Everything they think,
everything they do, everything is about hate Donald Trump. If
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you in any way support him, or if I can,
if somebody else can just say you support Trump, then
we not only would like to defeat you at the polls,
we actually would like to put a bullet in your head.
Speaker 2 (33:35):
Right, That is so true, because people just want to
squash and run the other way. I mean, we've seen
it plenty of times already with the short history we have.
Speaker 3 (33:45):
Right, he endorses somebody, they lose.
Speaker 4 (33:49):
It's really amazing. The Trump durings at syndrome is truly real,
and the hatred of him is very difficult for If
you're a Trump supporter, I don't think you really understand
the level of not just disapproval, I'm talking about true,
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visceral hatred of a level that will well clearly willing
to kill, murder him, try twice, murder Charlie Kirk, murder
other people involved with that movement. There's a level of
hatred that drives the electorate. And Jim back to your point,
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I think that will motivate the left to turn out,
and I think the right will tend to sit on
their rear ends and not turn out of the vote.
Speaker 5 (34:43):
Okay, got dinner.
Speaker 3 (34:48):
The other side of that, too, is just sitting and listening.
I can't do that. First of all, I have a job.
Speaker 2 (34:54):
But sitting and listening to that feed all day long,
I just really feel.
Speaker 3 (35:01):
And I'm sure I'm not the only one.
Speaker 2 (35:04):
All it does is create bigger lines in between us,
you know, it separates people more and more, fuels the
hatred more and more, and they don't get called out
on it.
Speaker 4 (35:17):
The best thing you can do for your own mental
health and just well being and feeling good is to
simply turn off the feet. Yeah, put down your phone,
don't go online, don't scroll, don't go on TikTok or
Facebook or x or any of there's other places, and
take not just a day, take a week off of it,
and then see how you feel about it. Don't listen
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to it, don't turn that on the TV. Just stay
away from it completely. Take a one week vacation from it,
and you're gonna go, ah, wow, I'm not really as
mad at people as I thought it would.
Speaker 7 (35:50):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (35:51):
I was traveling somewhere yesterday and on the.
Speaker 2 (35:55):
Radio, one of the dj was talking about a case
that somebody has designed and it weighs six pounds and
you are supposed to put your phone in this case
and it's supposed to help.
Speaker 3 (36:08):
Break that cycle or that habit of holding onto your
phone all the time. I was like, wow, this is
what we've come to. You have to hold a dumb.
Speaker 4 (36:17):
Bell a tungsten case for your phone.
Speaker 5 (36:22):
I love it. If you dig you see it there.
Speaker 6 (36:26):
They are sponsored by the National Chiropractic Association.
Speaker 4 (36:30):
Yeah. Really, no kidding, that's right.
Speaker 2 (36:31):
Yeah, but it is definitely a problem that our society has,
you know, just staying on the media, staying on the social.
Speaker 5 (36:42):
Media, staying on your phone in general.
Speaker 4 (36:46):
But you know, back to the election, I'm telling you
that the folks under thirty are living on their in
their phones and they're and they're living on TikTok yep,
and they're getting fed this and they feel justified. That's
picking a number on the under thirty deal. But just
a lot of folks completely feel justified at being outraged.
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They like being outraged. It feels good to be outraged.
It feels you are superior to other people because you
are outraged about something, and that gets fed. And I'm
just telling you, I think the Trump hatred will ramp up.
I think the media will play that up hard. And
I mean all the way from saying, oh boy, you're
(37:29):
handcuffing children. Yeah, it didn't happen, never happen, But there
are people who believe that that's what's going on right now.
Speaker 2 (37:36):
Well, the holidays are coming, so we better just talk
religion and not politics.
Speaker 5 (37:41):
That's a way to not start any family seat.
Speaker 4 (37:43):
And that way you only have fist fights and not gunfighters. Right.
Speaker 2 (37:46):
Oh, but you know, I mean it just it's fueled
and people are hot and heavy about this.
Speaker 3 (37:53):
You're right, I do.
Speaker 5 (37:56):
You know.
Speaker 4 (37:56):
I'm very quick to tell people we're not talking about that. Yeah,
I start to bring it up. I said, you know,
we're not talking about that, and they said, yeah, but
I said no, no, no, stop, And this is literally
what I said. I said, you're not listening to me.
We're not going to talk about that. It's like they go,
say no, because we're having a lovely conversation here, and
(38:18):
I know how you feel about it, you know how
I feel about it, and neither of us is going
to convince the other of anything here and we're just
going to come away with hard feelings. So literally, we
are not going to talk about it. I have stopped
a number of conversations right in the middle of it
with that, just say no, no, no, no, we're not doing that. Well.
Speaker 3 (38:38):
I think you have to for your own sanity.
Speaker 5 (38:40):
I just looked at it and say racist. It's my
go to and that always makes it feel better.
Speaker 2 (38:47):
But all this all this fuel, though, gosh, so hard
on the body to feel that tense all day long.
Speaker 4 (38:56):
He in general, it is on health. You're exactly right.
So speaking of that, I'm gonna go, you know, have
some wine, whiskey and chocolate nice because I want to
be health.
Speaker 5 (39:09):
Comfort foods for you.
Speaker 6 (39:11):
Yeah, it'll be a rid by medium rare. By the way,
time when we go to dinner.
Speaker 4 (39:15):
Way, we had uh, we had freight train chili last night?
Speaker 5 (39:19):
Did you how was he?
Speaker 4 (39:20):
Yes? Was great. Moose Chili was fabul We had a
bunch of neighbors over and we all had moose chili
and it was fabulous awesome. So there you go, all right,
And on that note, we should probably in before we
get mad at each other again. Never never, you guys
(39:43):
have a wonderful week.
Speaker 3 (39:46):
We'll catch you next time for the gun Talk after show.
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For more than 30 years The River Cafe in London, has been the home-from-home of artists, architects, designers, actors, collectors, writers, activists, and politicians. Michael Caine, Glenn Close, JJ Abrams, Steve McQueen, Victoria and David Beckham, and Lily Allen, are just some of the people who love to call The River Cafe home. On River Cafe Table 4, Rogers sits down with her customers—who have become friends—to talk about food memories. Table 4 explores how food impacts every aspect of our lives. “Foods is politics, food is cultural, food is how you express love, food is about your heritage, it defines who you and who you want to be,” says Rogers. Each week, Rogers invites her guest to reminisce about family suppers and first dates, what they cook, how they eat when performing, the restaurants they choose, and what food they seek when they need comfort. And to punctuate each episode of Table 4, guests such as Ralph Fiennes, Emily Blunt, and Alfonso Cuarón, read their favourite recipe from one of the best-selling River Cafe cookbooks. Table 4 itself, is situated near The River Cafe’s open kitchen, close to the bright pink wood-fired oven and next to the glossy yellow pass, where Ruthie oversees the restaurant. You are invited to take a seat at this intimate table and join the conversation. For more information, recipes, and ingredients, go to https://shoptherivercafe.co.uk/ Web: https://rivercafe.co.uk/ Instagram: www.instagram.com/therivercafelondon/ Facebook: https://en-gb.facebook.com/therivercafelondon/ For more podcasts from iHeartRadio, visit the iheartradio app, apple podcasts, or wherever you listen to your favorite shows. Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.com
Dateline NBC
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