November 16, 2025 • 44 mins
In This Hour:
-- When should you decide to shoot in self defense. Now is a good time.
-- What gun should be on your Christmas wish list?
-- The $200 tax on silencers is about to end. Will that eventually result in removing restrictions on owning machine guns?
Gun Talk 11.16.25 Hour 1
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-- When should you decide to shoot in self defense. Now is a good time.
-- What gun should be on your Christmas wish list?
-- The $200 tax on silencers is about to end. Will that eventually result in removing restrictions on owning machine guns?
Gun Talk 11.16.25 Hour 1
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part of it, Paul, Tom talk gun. Now, here's Tom?
Speaker 4 (00:50):
Is this thing on? Well? I guess it is.
Speaker 5 (00:51):
Hey, I'm Tom Gresham. We're gonna have some fun today.
We're gonna it's called gun talk. We're gonna be talking
about guidance and everything. I mean, honestly, we kind of
we go off the rails a lot around here. In fact,
I'm not sure a lot of times we can even
see the rails. And that's okay. It's just you and
me having some fun talking about pretty much anything. Guns certainly, hunting, shooting,
(01:15):
self defense with guns, politics, Second Amendment, the Supreme Court
concealed carry, self defense, first aid, just general safety stuff.
Speaker 4 (01:27):
I like to talk about that as well.
Speaker 5 (01:29):
And if there's something on your mind, well, you know what,
this is gonna be fun. Rarely do I do this,
but I've cleared the first hour today just for you
and me. Just we're gonna have open lines for the
first hour. So if there is something on your mind,
a question, you have had something that's bugging you about
(01:51):
guns or shooting or self defense or whatever, give me
a holler.
Speaker 4 (01:55):
We'll talk about it.
Speaker 5 (01:56):
If I've said something in the past that offended you,
well congratulations to me. It got your attention. No, really,
you can give you a call and tell me what
is It's fine. The number here is eight six y
six Talk gun. Easier to remember as Tom talk gun.
I'll get you in here as well. God, I'm gonna
bounce around a lot here because well, you know what
I figured out. There are people who are smart and
(02:19):
then there are the others. Unfortunately I fall in the
others group, So you get what you get here. You know,
of course that Glock decided to stop making the Gen
five pistols, and that came on the heels of lawsuits
and a ban on the selling blocks in California and
(02:43):
criminals making illegal parts that they install illegally and that
they use illegally to shoot people illegally to turn glocks
into filados. Well, right after that didn't take very long.
As soon as glock caved, well they made this decision,
whether you call it a caving or what. Every Town
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for Gun Safety, the Michael Bloomberg gun Control Group, the
gun Band Group went after Ruger because Ruger, of course
has the RXm pistol, which is a kind of a
blockish thing, very nice pistol by the way. I've been
carrying one for several months now. Really like it. I
shot it in competition, really like it. We actually had
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one that range ready at an event and just because
we could and we're goofy this way, we decided just
to have everybody shoot it and never clean it. We
ran the RXm for eight thousand rounds without cleaning it.
It got so hot we had to stuff it in
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a bucket of water to cool it off. Eight thousand rounds.
We did not have a single hiccup, did not have
a single problem with it.
Speaker 4 (03:55):
So it's a bit pistol. Okay, So every.
Speaker 5 (03:57):
Town tells Ruger you have to do block dead, you
have to change your pistol or take it off the market.
You know what, Ruger's not Glock. And in fact, Ruger
isn't even Ruger. It's not the Ruger of Bill Ruger's
days thirty years ago. It's a completely different companies, new ownership,
(04:17):
different ownership, different management, gun people running this thing. They're
responsible simply not only are we not going to drop
the RXm, not only are we not going to modify it,
We're gonna expand the line there AREXM, of course, is
a pistol that Glock made. The conjunction with Magpool, and
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then I'll say, we're gonna have more models coming out.
We're working with Magpool to have more accessories and more
frames and more everything, more colors, sizes. There's gonna be
more RXm out there. Take that every town.
Speaker 4 (04:51):
So way to go, Ruger. Nice job.
Speaker 5 (04:55):
And you know, and if you're looking, oh I just
was looking, I'm seeing them for under four hundred dollars now,
sometimes a good bit under four hundred dollars. It depends
on where you're shopping. Which might look around. Let's see
the Supreme Court of the United States is considering more
(05:16):
second AMENDMIC cases. They already have accepted two, which is
a lot for them for this coming session. And the
way it works is they have these conferences. They do
those on Friday, and then on Monday, the announce the
results the conferences where they all get together and look
at these cases that have been brought to them. And
(05:37):
all these appeals are brought to the Supreme Court. I
think they take one or two, maybe three percent of
the cases that are appealed to them, and they decide
which ones are going to take and so they conference
on them. And so we now have cases going to
the Supreme Court that they are conferencing on involving assault weapons,
magazine capacity limits, Let's see the eighteen to twenty one
(06:02):
year old gun band, on and on. There's a lot
of different cases. The crazy question is would they actually
take a third or even a fourth case where they
maybe combine some cases. I don't know, We don't know.
Sometimes they'll conference on a particular case and they hold
it over to the next week, and they do that
over and over and over again, maybe a dozen times.
(06:25):
Because of the nature of the Supreme Court. We don't
know why. We don't know what's going on. It's a
very secret what goes on in these conferences. But we'll
keep you posted your actions. We'll be talking with a
constitutional scholar second Amendment scholar a little bit later in
the show.
Speaker 4 (06:40):
Today.
Speaker 5 (06:41):
Here's a question for you. You know, of course, that the
two hundred dollars tax on suppressors in short barrel rifles
and shotguns goes away at the end of December. So
the National Firearms Act of nineteen thirty four was passed
as a tax act law. The argument is being made
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in this case has been already applied to. Our application
been made to the Supreme Court to take it up
of if the tax is no longer there, if that
has been removed, and it was in the one Big
Beautiful Bill, then does the National fires Act remain? Is
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there even a basis for the NFA? Imagine this. Now
you got to stay with me, because this gets a
lot more interesting because the NFA doesn't just regulate in
tax suppressors and short barrel rifles and short barrel shotguns.
Speaker 4 (07:46):
It does the same thing to machine guns. Uh Ah.
Speaker 5 (07:53):
If there's no NFA there's no restriction on ownership of
machine guns, and maybe we'd get rid of the Use
Amendment which says you can't own a machine gun that
was made after nineteen eighty six. Ooh, how would you
like to put that on your Christmas wish list?
Speaker 4 (08:17):
Yes?
Speaker 5 (08:17):
Please, I'll take two, that would be fine. And watch
the prices of those things go down. Because right now, honestly,
to get into any kind of decent machine gun which
is legal owned by the way, but because they're so
restricted and nothing made after nineteen eighty six can you own,
the number of possible guns out there in the marketplace
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is quite limited, it's finite. That means prices keep going up.
So to get into one now probably looking at fifteen
thousand dollars ballpark, and it's really easy to go double that,
depending on the model. If you could buy newly manufactured
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machine guns, you could probably get it for not much
more than the cost of a good AR. I mean, really,
take an AR. You put a different internals into it,
a different selector switch. Now you got full auto wustion
on the floor. Would you buy a machine gun if
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you could get one for fifteen hundred dollars? I would
I guarantee you they want us to do. I'm gonna
throw this out here because I just looked at the
calendar and went, holy smokes, it's only six weeks still Christmas.
Christmas wish lists, your shopping list, what you're buying for
others or what you'd like to get for yourself. Flashlight
(09:46):
suppressor's opt extermal AR fifteen, AR ten revolver, your first revolver,
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Speaker 4 (09:52):
Well, what's on your list? What would you like?
Speaker 5 (09:54):
I can tell you what I put on my list
because I went ahead and pulled the trigger, so to.
Speaker 4 (09:58):
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The number here is Tom Talk Gun and the question
on the floor is Christmas wish list. You got six weeks,
you got time to buy something for yourself.
Speaker 4 (13:12):
And you know I have.
Speaker 5 (13:14):
Discovered the best way to get exactly what you want
is to buy it for yourself and then say, dear,
guess what you got me for Christmas? Or put it
under the tree and put from Santa. How you want
to do it, because a lot of times the things
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we want close is not what we want. You know,
I wanted a Smith and Weston shield and I got
an mm P nice gun, but not what I was
looking for. You know, I wanted this, but I got that. Okay, great,
I'll just go get it for myself. I mean just
telling you, I kind of learned this in a hard
way through experience. So thinking about some of the things
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out there stocking stuff for kind of things. Flashlights. I'm
a big fan of good flashlights, and I mean, look,
you can get a decent, little pocket sized flashlight for
thirty bucks and they're pretty darn good. I mean, you
can spend two hundred dollars and get a surefire which
you can really bet your life on, and they're not
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just pretty darn good, they're unbelievably good. Why would you
want a two hundred dollars flashlight? Well, a lot of reasons.
It's kind of like why would you want five thousand
dollars rifle pistol? Shotgun. We'll kind of get to that
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question that I see people asking all the time. It's
an interesting question, and I always have the same answer.
But the question is simply, well, is it worth it?
Is it worth it to buy this versus of that?
And the answer is always I don't know, because I
don't know if it's worth it to you. If you say,
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I am very happy with my six hundred dollars Ruger
American Ginto, and it's a really good rifle, I mean
a terrific rifle actually, and I have no need for
a fifteen dollars or thirty five hundred dollars rifle.
Speaker 4 (15:18):
Cool, that's fine.
Speaker 5 (15:23):
I do know this from buying a lot of stuff
through the years that when you double the price of
something in a category, you generally don't get a two
x improvement. It might be a thirty percent improvement, at
twenty percent, maybe sometimes even only at ten percent.
Speaker 4 (15:43):
Now that gets really interesting. Is it worth it? Maybe not.
Speaker 5 (15:49):
On the other hand, had something happen this week. It
was out deer hunting. I'll tell you more about my
deer hunts because I went on several We're doing day
hunts or actually morning hunts. There's a young man out there.
He's just getting into it. And I said, oh, he's
got speaking of As a matter of fact, I p
hadn't thought about that. But he was using a Ruger
American rifle and I said, oh, you got the Rugger American.
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That's a really nice rifle. He said, yeah, I got that.
You know, he had a nice scope on it. Said
that's a good scope.
Speaker 4 (16:16):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (16:17):
And we started talking about rifles and this and that,
and you know, I mean we're basically doing gun talk
on the side of the mountain out there, and I
was telling him about my ultra light rifles and I said, well,
have you ever seen one?
Speaker 4 (16:31):
He says no. I said, well, let me go get it.
Speaker 5 (16:33):
So one got my rifle, and this one is in
two fifty seven Roberts actly improved, and it weighs six
pounds just to smidge over six pounds with a scope
on it. And when he picked it up, it was like,
oh wow, yeah, I mean, that's that's really light.
Speaker 4 (16:51):
I see it is.
Speaker 5 (16:52):
And then we got to talking about optics and monoculars
and I am, look, I freely admit that I am
an optic snob. I love good glass because to me,
it's almost magical what good glass does for you, whether
it's a scope or but particularly binoculars and spotting scopes.
The other thing is good glass last a long long time.
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Of course, that's to say that the bad news also
is that cheap gap glass last a long time, so
you're using poor optics for a long time as well.
Speaker 4 (17:25):
I had a pair of.
Speaker 5 (17:27):
Like Ajiavit binoculars that I bought several years ago, pay
a lot of money for him. At the time, I'm
thinking is it worth it? And the first time I
put it into my eyes, I went, oh, yes, absolutely,
I mean I have I have every kind of optic practically,
Seiss and Swarovski and loophole and like a and when
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you move up to the Swarovsky like a level. And
I handed them these binoculars. I said, just take a
look through these. It was really interesting. He was like,
oh wow, uh wow, look at that. I mean, look
at that. It was that time when you realize the thing.
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I've heard people say, I never knew it could be
that much better.
Speaker 4 (18:23):
Yeah, I know, I get it, you know, I get it.
We all have a budget. Maybe I can't spend that much.
Speaker 5 (18:32):
Maybe I can't go one thousand dollars or two thousand
dollars or three thousand dollars for blockers, or maybe there's
a way to save it up. And see the problem is,
you don't know what you don't know, right, So as
I look at this, I'm reminded of the first time
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I picked up my dad's double barrel shotgun, made in
Belgium by a company named Lebau Correlli. You may not
know that name. You probably have heard of parties and
boss top line. Well, the book Correlli is in that
line now and have been for many years. And I
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picked up this sixteen a's double barrel shotgun and it
was as though the heavens had opened up and the
angels started singing. And my reaction was, I had no
idea a shotgun could have this kind of balance. I
had no idea I could feel this lively. I've been
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shooting pomps and autos all my life.
Speaker 4 (19:41):
I just had no idea.
Speaker 5 (19:44):
I'd heard people talk about it, I'd seen people write
about it. But when I got it in my hands,
it was like, oh, my heavens, this is a completely
different experience. And you know, you could buy a shotgun
like that in the five thousand, six thousand and seven
thousand dollars range now not a new Labow CORRELLI those
are going to cost you sixty thousand dollars for a
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new Lebau.
Speaker 4 (20:08):
This one was probably eighty years old.
Speaker 5 (20:12):
I just share the story to say that, look, there
are things out there where you're going to go wow.
I just can't imagine anybody would pay X for that.
And then when you get exposed to it, you go
who wow. And that's the way good optics are. For me,
really good binoculars. I am willing to pay for them
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because I know a good pair of binocutas is going
to be a twenty year, thirty year purchase. If you
take care of them, they just last. If you buy
them from a good company, you can always send them
back and have them refurbished. I've had that done with
Swoski's and with the likeas. Send them back, they clean
them up. They'll even replace the lens elements if they
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got scratched and they come back is new.
Speaker 4 (20:59):
So would you add that to your Christmas wish list?
I don't know.
Speaker 5 (21:03):
You got to figure it out, but I'm just wondering.
You know, for me, I'm all about the optics. You know,
an area of optics I haven't gotten into, but I
want to. You would love to get your take on
this if you have some experience with its thermal I
get what it is. I understand what it does, and
I get it for hog hunting. But frankly, and this
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is going to get a little maybe a little weird
for you as I think about the stuff. It's the
fans scenarios, if you have multiple bad guys, maybe foreign invaders.
I don't know, figure out whatever it is you're imagining.
I got to tell you, a suppressed AR with subsonic
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loads with a thermal optic game changer totally. Is that
being paranoid or is it being prepared?
Speaker 4 (21:54):
I don't know.
Speaker 5 (21:55):
The problem is you don't know until you know. If
it turns out you need it, you were just being prepared, right,
Just some food for thought out there. So thinking about
optics and everything else. What did I put on my list? Well,
several weeks ago, several months ago, actually I put in
an order for a custom made nineteen eleven and forty
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five from Soilder and Slide. And yet it's like four
months five months to get it. I haven't gotten it yet.
Looking forward to it. Maybe it'll be here by Christmas,
I hope. So now of course I'm I'm ordering holsters.
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All right, we're back with you. Were talking about Christmas
shopping list. What's on your list? Kind of a cool
stuff out there, things you might get for yourself, or
or maybe something you get for somebody else. I don't know,
just wondering. Eight sixty six Talk Gun or Tom Talk Gun.
Joe called in out of New Jersey Online too, Hello Joe,
what was on your list?
Speaker 4 (22:57):
Well?
Speaker 10 (22:57):
To first, I want to tell you why I want
to get what I want to get. A couple of
buddies of mine. We go claybird shooting about twice a month,
and one of the guys has a big wobble trap.
You know what a wobble trap is, right, yep, yep,
But you know it's a big It takes up the
back of an suv. It's got a big car battery.
You got to stake it to the ground.
Speaker 2 (23:16):
You know.
Speaker 10 (23:17):
It's it's it's just big, it's bulky, it's heavy, it's cumbersome. Uh.
I want to get a clay copter.
Speaker 4 (23:25):
Yes, we did a fun video with one of those.
Speaker 5 (23:29):
They're amazing it's basically just like a rocket shoulder fire
rocket launcher that throws out these crazy spinning targets.
Speaker 10 (23:38):
Right right and by the way, And the wobble trap
can't do true doubles, whereas the clay copter can do
a true double. So wow, and they're only two and
they're only two hundred and twenty bucks. And what's nice
about him? Uh, there's no size or caliber or color.
If you tell your spouse your kids, hey, you want
a clay copter, there's only one. They can't make a mistake.
Speaker 5 (23:57):
Well, okay, you got to go find our video we did.
It's on our YouTube channel for gun Talk. And they're
fooding around with one talking about it in the studio
and they had an ad an accidental discharge, and fired
one in the studio and this thing goes bouncing off
the lights and all over the place in there. It's
like the you know, the sun of Flubber or something.
The thing's going all over the place and people are
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cracking up and breaking up, and it was a whoile areas.
Speaker 10 (24:22):
See, yeah, I saw when the range we go to
the the guys next to us had one and we
were looking at the distance they were getting out of
this and the two doubles and for two hundred and
twenty bucks, Tom, and you can you can put in
the back seat of your car. You don't need an
suv to lug it around. You don't need a car battery.
It runs off basically electric drill, a battery the size
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you put on electric drill.
Speaker 5 (24:45):
Yeah, if I remember right, do I remember them saying
you could go one hundred yards.
Speaker 10 (24:51):
Yep, one hundred yards.
Speaker 2 (24:53):
Wow.
Speaker 10 (24:55):
And you get you know, and get a spare battery,
and then Tom, you can shoot all day. Yeah, and
again you can shoot doubles.
Speaker 13 (25:02):
No.
Speaker 10 (25:02):
No, the wabble Trap's been a lot of fun and
it's great, but you know, big bulky, and it's involved
and you can't get a true double out of it.
The Clay coppter for two hundred twenty bucks, and you
can buy them anywhere. You can get them, Cabella's, you
can get them.
Speaker 4 (25:15):
At yeah, yeah, all the sporting good stores.
Speaker 5 (25:18):
Are you going to order mail or yeah? I hadn't
thought of that, but that's a great one, Joe, Thank
you for that. The Clay copp Take a look at
that one. I mean, if you like wing shooting at all,
it's just so much easier than going out there with
either the handheld or a regular trap and throwing clay targets.
Speaker 4 (25:34):
Besides that, it's just fun. Anybody can use it. Thank you, sir.
Speaker 5 (25:37):
Let's grab Matthew out of Mati, Louisiana. Hello, Matthew, you
got a thought for a Christmas list?
Speaker 13 (25:43):
Yeah?
Speaker 11 (25:44):
Well, Suger, I'd like you know the CEO two powered
uh airsoft gun so I can practice drawing inshurt it
in my backyard.
Speaker 4 (25:56):
Yeah, and now which model would you? Yeah?
Speaker 5 (26:00):
Because they make those basically to replicate almost any of
your carry guns.
Speaker 11 (26:05):
Well, I get one I want to look at as
a snubnose revolver, and the other is a wonder about
the same size as our slipping wesson.
Speaker 4 (26:24):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (26:25):
That's actually a pretty good idea of getting an airsoft
replica of your carry gun. The other way, look, thank you,
I appreciate the call, sir.
Speaker 9 (26:32):
Uh.
Speaker 5 (26:33):
The other possibility is they've got air guns, not air soft,
but baby guns that will mimic I mean, they are
exact replicas fit your holster and everything. Of the various
sig guns, the various smith guns, various tauruses, Burrettas, all
the rest of them. And for anywhere between fifty and
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one hundred and fifty bucks you get one of these.
You can use that for your practice, practice your draw
and with these bb Gunging actually practice your trigger press
and accuracy and multiple shots. The only thing you don't
get out of it, and I want to add that,
is that you don't get recoil and so you don't
get to practice recoil management. Recoil management honestly comes down
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primarily to grip strength, and the tighter you grab your
gun your pistol, the better you're going to control recoil. Now,
there's a few other things involved, and when you go
to a good class you'll get some training on this,
but essentially having.
Speaker 4 (27:41):
A good tight grip.
Speaker 5 (27:42):
I always liked it when people would ask Rob Latham
and said, we know, Rob, I read that you'd have
like sixty percent of the grip strength in your right
hand and forty percent of the grip strength in your
left hand.
Speaker 4 (27:55):
And ROBSA, we don't. I've heard dad, he says, but
you know what I do? Now, what's that? What's the
world class shooter do it? Just? Well? I have a
one hundred percent of.
Speaker 5 (28:04):
The grip strength in my right hand and one hundred
percent of the grip strength in my left hand. And
when he shoots, the gun never moves.
Speaker 4 (28:12):
You go, oh okay, So that's the one thing you're
not going to get with those.
Speaker 5 (28:16):
But other than that, actually, Matthew, I think that's a
great idea. A CO two powered BB gun that is
a replica of your carry gun. It would be first
of all, to be really fun. You can shoot in
your garage if you have a safe backstop for stopping
BB's there. You will get a ton of training of
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drawing and shooting. It will teach you a lot about
getting a firm, good grip on the gun as it
comes out of the holster. The more I think about,
the more I like the idea. That's a pretty cool thought.
All right, So what's on your Christmas list? If you're
just thinking, okay, what would I.
Speaker 4 (28:52):
Like to have?
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Let me ask you this. Do you have an AR fifteen?
If you don't, maybe I'll think about getting one.
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Maybe that's where you go. Let me know what your.
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Here's a thought for you for a question. If you
could receive.
Speaker 5 (31:38):
A thousand dollars gift card for Christmas from anywhere, any outlet,
or for any particular product thousand dollars, what would you
want the gift card to be from particular place online?
To pick your place that you shop locally or for
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take your line or product. Maybe say, okay, I would
like a thousand dollars gift certificate to be able to
use that Smith and Western, Ruger, Daniel Defense whatever. Obviously,
there's no right or wrong answer. We're just having fun
with this thing. Right, Let's see line one. Charles is
in Toledo, Ohio. Hey Charles, what's going on?
Speaker 10 (32:20):
Hey?
Speaker 4 (32:20):
Tom?
Speaker 15 (32:21):
Question? So I can shoot further than I.
Speaker 16 (32:25):
Can see even my handgun, you know, my endy of
my hanggun, So I mean even fifteen to twenty yards,
and unless I use a ladder target, it's it's even
hard to see, especially when I shoot the twenty two.
Speaker 4 (32:41):
Okay.
Speaker 16 (32:41):
So I thought about putting my phone.
Speaker 15 (32:44):
On them, a tripod so I can see it. But
you know, I don't want that extra wear and chair
in my phone and.
Speaker 16 (32:52):
You know, battery instead and everything. So what do you recommend?
Speaker 10 (32:56):
Is there any uh?
Speaker 5 (32:58):
Okay, So what I'm trying to find, Well, yeah, there's
a lot of options.
Speaker 4 (33:03):
I mean, all you want to do is be able
to shoot.
Speaker 5 (33:05):
And then look at the target and see where you're hitting, right, Yeah,
why not a spotting scope?
Speaker 16 (33:13):
All right?
Speaker 5 (33:15):
I mean that's that's what we use for rifles. If
I'm shooting a one hundred yards, I can't see the
holes of the target generally speaking. So I've got a
spotting scope with me, and I just you know, lean
over and I use that and I can look through that.
It's got additional magnification. But you can do the same
thing with a pair of binoculars or a low power
spoting scope, even at pistol ranges.
Speaker 15 (33:35):
All right, I have sab of binoculars, but I'm like,
you know, I got to take to take a month
and look down, you know, look at it and look
through them and find it. And so I like the
idea of spinding scope, like just leaving it on a tripod.
Speaker 5 (33:51):
Yeah, you can do. You can do a wireless camera.
You can set it up close to the target with
the display you know, right where you're shooting.
Speaker 4 (33:59):
I mean they are and you.
Speaker 5 (34:00):
Don't have to call this together. There are systems made
to do exactly that. If you look up wireless camera
setups for target shooting, can you find several?
Speaker 15 (34:10):
Okay, all right, I will Google search of that and
see what we can find. And having mish, I'll tell
you later while she's doing happy Dance right now.
Speaker 4 (34:21):
Okay, that sounded like an after show. I deal, we'll
do that one.
Speaker 5 (34:23):
Thanks for call, sir. Thomas is in Alaska. Thomas, you're
on gun Talk.
Speaker 13 (34:29):
Hey, how's it going?
Speaker 10 (34:30):
Great show?
Speaker 13 (34:31):
As always? Hey, I wanted to comment, you know, last
week you're talking about something that also would make a
great Christmas present that would be like a less than
lethal maybe a burner or something like that that you
know they can carry places they can't carry their sidearm.
And I didn't want to comment. You know, I've had
a lot of experience carrying those type of lesson lethals,
from ass to pepper spray to tasers and all those
(34:51):
kind of things. And you you said something last week
there was spot on and that is it can be
on the menu, but it shouldn't be the main course.
You need you need do you need that gun as
a backup no matter what you're caring because unfortunately with
tasers and pepper spray and all these other you know,
avenues you can take, sometimes they don't work.
Speaker 4 (35:12):
Well.
Speaker 5 (35:12):
You know, Thomas is a good point because now we
have video, uh police encounters all over and we go, wow,
the pepper spray didn't work. Wow, the even the taser
didn't work. I mean, and tasers are pretty darn good.
But if you know the problem is, as I always
tell people, they need going to ask themselves and what
do I do when that doesn't work?
Speaker 4 (35:34):
And I know and put police work.
Speaker 5 (35:35):
You know, you can tell me it's like, Okay, I
got all these tools, but what am I going to
do if that doesn't work? And then what am I
going to do if that doesn't work? Well, if if
all goes down to it, then I'm going to apply
and let a selling to them and give them a
good dose of it.
Speaker 13 (35:49):
Or if they come with a you know, if they
come with deadly force, you shouldn't be going to that
you know, alternative level. Anyway, you need to be stepping
up to lean what they're doing, if not better than always.
And yeah, that's the other problem with the you know,
the police videos. One of the things we see all
the time is people use of taser or they use
(36:09):
pepper spray, and the people watching the videos don't understand
that the individual elevated it to deadly force and the
police have to match or go, you know, beyond what
they brought it up to. So, yeah, it's but it
is a good option, you know that. Of course, another
great option is training. You always buy your family members
some good training.
Speaker 5 (36:29):
But you know, I was hopefully somebody was going to
say that, hey, I could buy a class. It's a
good and look, I appreciate the call. It's excellent information
and good thought, uh. Frankly, you know, you could buy
really good pepper spray and small containers that the members
of your family can use. But along with that should
come information when can you use and when you do
not use it? Understand what are the laws some places
(36:51):
you can't have pepper spray? At what point would you
use it? What do you do if it fails? Or
what how do you use it? Frankly, for me, if
I'm in a situation where I got to pepper spray somebody,
I'm going to hose them and then I'm not going
to be there anymore. My goal is to get distance.
Distance is your friend. With distance, you can buy time.
(37:13):
With time, you can be somewhere else you know, or
the time can allow you to go to your gun
if necessary. Here's a question for you. At what point
in the conference, the confrontation, rather in what point in
the attack do you decide to draw your gun and shoot.
(37:36):
Got a story A fellow made a precautionary landing in
this plane. That is, the weather got bad and it
kept getting lower, the clouds getting lowered, and he can't
fly in the clouds, and he lands in the middle
of a field.
Speaker 4 (37:49):
True story.
Speaker 5 (37:51):
Investigator talking to him afterwards, said, Okay, at what point
you know all of this, did you make the decision
to do a precautionary landing in a field? The guy said,
ten years ago? So what said? Yeah, I had a
situation similar to this. Yeah, I didn't land there, I
(38:12):
got myself into trouble, didn't crash, but I swore that
iever got into that situation again, I would make this
precautionary landing. Just go land in the field. You need
to make the decision to draw a shoot now today
for wherever that thing is going to happen in ten
years from now, so that you have put it into
your head if this happens, I will do that so
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you don't have a hesitation, you don't have a delay
that could get you or your family members killed. Along
with that, though, is you got to know the law
when you can and when you can't. You can't go
chase somebody down the street and shoot him in the
back because he ran into your car. Nope, it doesn't
work that way. This whole self defense with guns, it's involved,
(38:57):
it's complicated. One of the best ways to information on
what you can and can't do is go take a
concealed carry class, whether or not you're going to get
the permit, whether or not you even need the permit.
You may live in a constitutional carry state, but there's
a valuable information there that if you don't know it,
you do need to know it. If you don't know it,
it might end up sending you to prison for the
(39:18):
rest of your life.
Speaker 4 (39:26):
Hey, a few minutes, we're going to have.
Speaker 5 (39:28):
A Second Amendment scholar attorney, give us not da what's
going on with the cases going to the Supreme Court
in other cases. There's a lot happening right now with
the various groups with the lawsuits. And then a little
later on in the show, we're going to talk to
an NRA whistleblower. He was on the board of the NRA.
(39:51):
He blew the whistle on what Wayne and Lapierre and
his crew were doing. We love the story of what
they did to him and what happened and his take
on everything. Fascinating story. A lot of stuff there that
you want it here. You're not gonna want to miss
this one. Think about Christmas things here and list I'm
(40:17):
thinking about maybe if you're giving gifts people and you're
not sure if they're a shooter, you know what, Well,
Obviously amas always fail safe, but maybe even more so
than that, if you know what gun they shoot, particularly pistols.
How about magazines, No one ever has enough magazines. In fact,
(40:37):
he just notice to say it's too many magazines. I
don't think. I just ordered six high end nineteen eleven
magazines for this nineteen eleven pistol I'm going to be
getting in. I just ordered a new holster. I do
have nineteen eleven holsters, but I wanted something a little
bit different. Once we get it, once we get it
(40:58):
all put together and I shoot it, we'll see I shoot.
I'll give you a report on that. I'll have my
own race report, because once again I knew what I
wanted for Christmas, and I knew the only thing way
I was going to get it was to order it myself.
So there you go. Oh, here's a co of news item.
NRA director and former president Bob Barr has resigned his
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seat on the Board of Directors. That's the fifth resignation
from the board within a month. It's a very good
thing that Bob Barr is gone, because he was one
of the Wayne Loppier people. The concerning thing is that
a number of these people who left were part of
that problem have landed at the NRA Foundation. The NRA
(41:42):
Foundation is the group that runs the Friends of the
NRA banquets. I don't know what they're doing over there,
but I do know from past experience that I don't
trust them as far as I could throw them Mount McKinley.
We're going to keep an eye on that, and as
(42:03):
I find out what's happening at NA Foundation, I'll let
you know. But I know that the money raised at
the NA banquets and Friends of the n A banquets
half stays local and half goes to the Foundation for
them to spend.
Speaker 4 (42:14):
And it's a lot of money.
Speaker 5 (42:16):
And given the past history, if some of these folks
the way they have gobbled up the money at the
NRA and just about fluid right into the ground. Fortunately
it's back and climbing back out. It's doing better. I'm
just not inclined to trust them at all. So we'll
keep you posted on that. But I'm glad that Bob
Barr is no longer there as long with some of
(42:36):
the other cronies there. I asked the question, if you
don't have an AR, would you want to get one?
The answer is yes, you do. Yeah, but I don't
like those guns. I don't like the look of them.
I don't like yeah, yeah, yeah, get over yourself again.
It's and one of those things that if you have
a shot one, you know it to yourself, because when
(42:58):
you do, you're gonna go, oh, I see what everybody's
talking about. You know what they ours are? They're fun.
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Oh yeah, you're gonna be able to get a can
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it right now without the two hundred dollar tax. Because
a lot of the places like Silence are central they're
paying the two hundred dollars tax for you right now.
So even though the tax goes away at the end
of the year, they're taking care of that now because
they don't want everybody to wait until the end of
the year. They want you to be buying suppressors right now.
And there are some smoking hot deals. Speaking of smoking deals,
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what are you seeing out there? I'd love to get
your take and you can share it with everybody else.
I'm seeing some incredible Black Friday sales and some really
good prices on things out there.
Speaker 4 (43:48):
Would love to.
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bounce around a lot here because well, you know what
I figured out. There are people who are smart and
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then there are the others. Unfortunately I fall in the
others group, So you get what you get here. You know,
of course that Glock decided to stop making the Gen
five pistols, and that came on the heels of lawsuits
and a ban on the selling blocks in California and
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criminals making illegal parts that they install illegally and that
they use illegally to shoot people illegally to turn glocks
into filados. Well, right after that didn't take very long.
As soon as glock caved, well they made this decision,
whether you call it a caving or what. Every Town
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for Gun Safety, the Michael Bloomberg gun Control Group, the
gun Band Group went after Ruger because Ruger, of course
has the RXm pistol, which is a kind of a
blockish thing, very nice pistol by the way. I've been
carrying one for several months now. Really like it. I
shot it in competition, really like it. We actually had
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one that range ready at an event and just because
we could and we're goofy this way, we decided just
to have everybody shoot it and never clean it. We
ran the RXm for eight thousand rounds without cleaning it.
It got so hot we had to stuff it in
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a bucket of water to cool it off. Eight thousand rounds.
We did not have a single hiccup, did not have
a single problem with it.
Speaker 4 (03:55):
So it's a bit pistol. Okay, So every.
Speaker 5 (03:57):
Town tells Ruger you have to do block dead, you
have to change your pistol or take it off the market.
You know what, Ruger's not Glock. And in fact, Ruger
isn't even Ruger. It's not the Ruger of Bill Ruger's
days thirty years ago. It's a completely different companies, new ownership,
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different ownership, different management, gun people running this thing. They're
responsible simply not only are we not going to drop
the RXm, not only are we not going to modify it,
We're gonna expand the line there AREXM, of course, is
a pistol that Glock made. The conjunction with Magpool, and
(04:39):
then I'll say, we're gonna have more models coming out.
We're working with Magpool to have more accessories and more
frames and more everything, more colors, sizes. There's gonna be
more RXm out there. Take that every town.
Speaker 4 (04:51):
So way to go, Ruger. Nice job.
Speaker 5 (04:55):
And you know, and if you're looking, oh I just
was looking, I'm seeing them for under four hundred dollars now,
sometimes a good bit under four hundred dollars. It depends
on where you're shopping. Which might look around. Let's see
the Supreme Court of the United States is considering more
(05:16):
second AMENDMIC cases. They already have accepted two, which is
a lot for them for this coming session. And the
way it works is they have these conferences. They do
those on Friday, and then on Monday, the announce the
results the conferences where they all get together and look
at these cases that have been brought to them. And
(05:37):
all these appeals are brought to the Supreme Court. I
think they take one or two, maybe three percent of
the cases that are appealed to them, and they decide
which ones are going to take and so they conference
on them. And so we now have cases going to
the Supreme Court that they are conferencing on involving assault weapons,
magazine capacity limits, Let's see the eighteen to twenty one
(06:02):
year old gun band, on and on. There's a lot
of different cases. The crazy question is would they actually
take a third or even a fourth case where they
maybe combine some cases. I don't know, We don't know.
Sometimes they'll conference on a particular case and they hold
it over to the next week, and they do that
over and over and over again, maybe a dozen times.
(06:25):
Because of the nature of the Supreme Court. We don't
know why. We don't know what's going on. It's a
very secret what goes on in these conferences. But we'll
keep you posted your actions. We'll be talking with a
constitutional scholar second Amendment scholar a little bit later in
the show.
Speaker 4 (06:40):
Today.
Speaker 5 (06:41):
Here's a question for you. You know, of course, that the
two hundred dollars tax on suppressors in short barrel rifles
and shotguns goes away at the end of December. So
the National Firearms Act of nineteen thirty four was passed
as a tax act law. The argument is being made
(07:04):
in this case has been already applied to. Our application
been made to the Supreme Court to take it up
of if the tax is no longer there, if that
has been removed, and it was in the one Big
Beautiful Bill, then does the National fires Act remain? Is
(07:25):
there even a basis for the NFA? Imagine this. Now
you got to stay with me, because this gets a
lot more interesting because the NFA doesn't just regulate in
tax suppressors and short barrel rifles and short barrel shotguns.
Speaker 4 (07:46):
It does the same thing to machine guns. Uh Ah.
Speaker 5 (07:53):
If there's no NFA there's no restriction on ownership of
machine guns, and maybe we'd get rid of the Use
Amendment which says you can't own a machine gun that
was made after nineteen eighty six. Ooh, how would you
like to put that on your Christmas wish list?
Speaker 4 (08:17):
Yes?
Speaker 5 (08:17):
Please, I'll take two, that would be fine. And watch
the prices of those things go down. Because right now, honestly,
to get into any kind of decent machine gun which
is legal owned by the way, but because they're so
restricted and nothing made after nineteen eighty six can you own,
the number of possible guns out there in the marketplace
(08:41):
is quite limited, it's finite. That means prices keep going up.
So to get into one now probably looking at fifteen
thousand dollars ballpark, and it's really easy to go double that,
depending on the model. If you could buy newly manufactured
(09:02):
machine guns, you could probably get it for not much
more than the cost of a good AR. I mean, really,
take an AR. You put a different internals into it,
a different selector switch. Now you got full auto wustion
on the floor. Would you buy a machine gun if
(09:23):
you could get one for fifteen hundred dollars? I would
I guarantee you they want us to do. I'm gonna
throw this out here because I just looked at the
calendar and went, holy smokes, it's only six weeks still Christmas.
Christmas wish lists, your shopping list, what you're buying for
others or what you'd like to get for yourself. Flashlight
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gun cleaning kit.
Speaker 4 (09:52):
Well, what's on your list? What would you like?
Speaker 5 (09:54):
I can tell you what I put on my list
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That's Steve Enman.
Speaker 5 (12:31):
If you haven't watched some of his videos, you really
owe it to yourself to look him up. It's I
N M A and Steve Enman just just funny stuff.
He was an announcer for boxing and martial arts matches,
and he applies the same announcing and sound effects and things.
Speaker 4 (12:46):
To security videos.
Speaker 5 (12:48):
And you know all the videos that people are posting
everywhere of fights and robberies and people getting shot with
tasers by the police, and it's just funny stuff.
Speaker 4 (13:00):
Brother, you little joy it trust me on this all right.
Speaker 5 (13:02):
The number here is Tom Talk Gun and the question
on the floor is Christmas wish list. You got six weeks,
you got time to buy something for yourself.
Speaker 4 (13:12):
And you know I have.
Speaker 5 (13:14):
Discovered the best way to get exactly what you want
is to buy it for yourself and then say, dear,
guess what you got me for Christmas? Or put it
under the tree and put from Santa. How you want
to do it, because a lot of times the things
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we want close is not what we want. You know,
I wanted a Smith and Weston shield and I got
an mm P nice gun, but not what I was
looking for. You know, I wanted this, but I got that. Okay, great,
I'll just go get it for myself. I mean just
telling you, I kind of learned this in a hard
way through experience. So thinking about some of the things
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out there stocking stuff for kind of things. Flashlights. I'm
a big fan of good flashlights, and I mean, look,
you can get a decent, little pocket sized flashlight for
thirty bucks and they're pretty darn good. I mean, you
can spend two hundred dollars and get a surefire which
you can really bet your life on, and they're not
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just pretty darn good, they're unbelievably good. Why would you
want a two hundred dollars flashlight? Well, a lot of reasons.
It's kind of like why would you want five thousand
dollars rifle pistol? Shotgun. We'll kind of get to that
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question that I see people asking all the time. It's
an interesting question, and I always have the same answer.
But the question is simply, well, is it worth it?
Is it worth it to buy this versus of that?
And the answer is always I don't know, because I
don't know if it's worth it to you. If you say,
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I am very happy with my six hundred dollars Ruger
American Ginto, and it's a really good rifle, I mean
a terrific rifle actually, and I have no need for
a fifteen dollars or thirty five hundred dollars rifle.
Speaker 4 (15:18):
Cool, that's fine.
Speaker 5 (15:23):
I do know this from buying a lot of stuff
through the years that when you double the price of
something in a category, you generally don't get a two
x improvement. It might be a thirty percent improvement, at
twenty percent, maybe sometimes even only at ten percent.
Speaker 4 (15:43):
Now that gets really interesting. Is it worth it? Maybe not.
Speaker 5 (15:49):
On the other hand, had something happen this week. It
was out deer hunting. I'll tell you more about my
deer hunts because I went on several We're doing day
hunts or actually morning hunts. There's a young man out there.
He's just getting into it. And I said, oh, he's
got speaking of As a matter of fact, I p
hadn't thought about that. But he was using a Ruger
American rifle and I said, oh, you got the Rugger American.
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That's a really nice rifle. He said, yeah, I got that.
You know, he had a nice scope on it. Said
that's a good scope.
Speaker 4 (16:16):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (16:17):
And we started talking about rifles and this and that,
and you know, I mean we're basically doing gun talk
on the side of the mountain out there, and I
was telling him about my ultra light rifles and I said, well,
have you ever seen one?
Speaker 4 (16:31):
He says no. I said, well, let me go get it.
Speaker 5 (16:33):
So one got my rifle, and this one is in
two fifty seven Roberts actly improved, and it weighs six
pounds just to smidge over six pounds with a scope
on it. And when he picked it up, it was like,
oh wow, yeah, I mean, that's that's really light.
Speaker 4 (16:51):
I see it is.
Speaker 5 (16:52):
And then we got to talking about optics and monoculars
and I am, look, I freely admit that I am
an optic snob. I love good glass because to me,
it's almost magical what good glass does for you, whether
it's a scope or but particularly binoculars and spotting scopes.
The other thing is good glass last a long long time.
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Of course, that's to say that the bad news also
is that cheap gap glass last a long time, so
you're using poor optics for a long time as well.
Speaker 4 (17:25):
I had a pair of.
Speaker 5 (17:27):
Like Ajiavit binoculars that I bought several years ago, pay
a lot of money for him. At the time, I'm
thinking is it worth it? And the first time I
put it into my eyes, I went, oh, yes, absolutely,
I mean I have I have every kind of optic practically,
Seiss and Swarovski and loophole and like a and when
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you move up to the Swarovsky like a level. And
I handed them these binoculars. I said, just take a
look through these. It was really interesting. He was like,
oh wow, uh wow, look at that. I mean, look
at that. It was that time when you realize the thing.
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I've heard people say, I never knew it could be
that much better.
Speaker 4 (18:23):
Yeah, I know, I get it, you know, I get it.
We all have a budget. Maybe I can't spend that much.
Speaker 5 (18:32):
Maybe I can't go one thousand dollars or two thousand
dollars or three thousand dollars for blockers, or maybe there's
a way to save it up. And see the problem is,
you don't know what you don't know, right, So as
I look at this, I'm reminded of the first time
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I picked up my dad's double barrel shotgun, made in
Belgium by a company named Lebau Correlli. You may not
know that name. You probably have heard of parties and
boss top line. Well, the book Correlli is in that
line now and have been for many years. And I
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picked up this sixteen a's double barrel shotgun and it
was as though the heavens had opened up and the
angels started singing. And my reaction was, I had no
idea a shotgun could have this kind of balance. I
had no idea I could feel this lively. I've been
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shooting pomps and autos all my life.
Speaker 4 (19:41):
I just had no idea.
Speaker 5 (19:44):
I'd heard people talk about it, I'd seen people write
about it. But when I got it in my hands,
it was like, oh, my heavens, this is a completely
different experience. And you know, you could buy a shotgun
like that in the five thousand, six thousand and seven
thousand dollars range now not a new Labow CORRELLI those
are going to cost you sixty thousand dollars for a
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new Lebau.
Speaker 4 (20:08):
This one was probably eighty years old.
Speaker 5 (20:12):
I just share the story to say that, look, there
are things out there where you're going to go wow.
I just can't imagine anybody would pay X for that.
And then when you get exposed to it, you go
who wow. And that's the way good optics are. For me,
really good binoculars. I am willing to pay for them
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because I know a good pair of binocutas is going
to be a twenty year, thirty year purchase. If you
take care of them, they just last. If you buy
them from a good company, you can always send them
back and have them refurbished. I've had that done with
Swoski's and with the likeas. Send them back, they clean
them up. They'll even replace the lens elements if they
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got scratched and they come back is new.
Speaker 4 (20:59):
So would you add that to your Christmas wish list?
I don't know.
Speaker 5 (21:03):
You got to figure it out, but I'm just wondering.
You know, for me, I'm all about the optics. You know,
an area of optics I haven't gotten into, but I
want to. You would love to get your take on
this if you have some experience with its thermal I
get what it is. I understand what it does, and
I get it for hog hunting. But frankly, and this
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is going to get a little maybe a little weird
for you as I think about the stuff. It's the
fans scenarios, if you have multiple bad guys, maybe foreign invaders.
I don't know, figure out whatever it is you're imagining.
I got to tell you, a suppressed AR with subsonic
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loads with a thermal optic game changer totally. Is that
being paranoid or is it being prepared?
Speaker 4 (21:54):
I don't know.
Speaker 5 (21:55):
The problem is you don't know until you know. If
it turns out you need it, you were just being prepared, right,
Just some food for thought out there. So thinking about
optics and everything else. What did I put on my list? Well,
several weeks ago, several months ago, actually I put in
an order for a custom made nineteen eleven and forty
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five from Soilder and Slide. And yet it's like four
months five months to get it. I haven't gotten it yet.
Looking forward to it. Maybe it'll be here by Christmas,
I hope. So now of course I'm I'm ordering holsters.
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All right, we're back with you. Were talking about Christmas
shopping list. What's on your list? Kind of a cool
stuff out there, things you might get for yourself, or
or maybe something you get for somebody else. I don't know,
just wondering. Eight sixty six Talk Gun or Tom Talk Gun.
Joe called in out of New Jersey Online too, Hello Joe,
what was on your list?
Speaker 4 (22:57):
Well?
Speaker 10 (22:57):
To first, I want to tell you why I want
to get what I want to get. A couple of
buddies of mine. We go claybird shooting about twice a month,
and one of the guys has a big wobble trap.
You know what a wobble trap is, right, yep, yep,
But you know it's a big It takes up the
back of an suv. It's got a big car battery.
You got to stake it to the ground.
Speaker 2 (23:16):
You know.
Speaker 10 (23:17):
It's it's it's just big, it's bulky, it's heavy, it's cumbersome. Uh.
I want to get a clay copter.
Speaker 4 (23:25):
Yes, we did a fun video with one of those.
Speaker 5 (23:29):
They're amazing it's basically just like a rocket shoulder fire
rocket launcher that throws out these crazy spinning targets.
Speaker 10 (23:38):
Right right and by the way, And the wobble trap
can't do true doubles, whereas the clay copter can do
a true double. So wow, and they're only two and
they're only two hundred and twenty bucks. And what's nice
about him? Uh, there's no size or caliber or color.
If you tell your spouse your kids, hey, you want
a clay copter, there's only one. They can't make a mistake.
Speaker 5 (23:57):
Well, okay, you got to go find our video we did.
It's on our YouTube channel for gun Talk. And they're
fooding around with one talking about it in the studio
and they had an ad an accidental discharge, and fired
one in the studio and this thing goes bouncing off
the lights and all over the place in there. It's
like the you know, the sun of Flubber or something.
The thing's going all over the place and people are
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cracking up and breaking up, and it was a whoile areas.
Speaker 10 (24:22):
See, yeah, I saw when the range we go to
the the guys next to us had one and we
were looking at the distance they were getting out of
this and the two doubles and for two hundred and
twenty bucks, Tom, and you can you can put in
the back seat of your car. You don't need an
suv to lug it around. You don't need a car battery.
It runs off basically electric drill, a battery the size
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you put on electric drill.
Speaker 5 (24:45):
Yeah, if I remember right, do I remember them saying
you could go one hundred yards.
Speaker 10 (24:51):
Yep, one hundred yards.
Speaker 2 (24:53):
Wow.
Speaker 10 (24:55):
And you get you know, and get a spare battery,
and then Tom, you can shoot all day. Yeah, and
again you can shoot doubles.
Speaker 13 (25:02):
No.
Speaker 10 (25:02):
No, the wabble Trap's been a lot of fun and
it's great, but you know, big bulky, and it's involved
and you can't get a true double out of it.
The Clay coppter for two hundred twenty bucks, and you
can buy them anywhere. You can get them, Cabella's, you
can get them.
Speaker 4 (25:15):
At yeah, yeah, all the sporting good stores.
Speaker 5 (25:18):
Are you going to order mail or yeah? I hadn't
thought of that, but that's a great one, Joe, Thank
you for that. The Clay copp Take a look at
that one. I mean, if you like wing shooting at all,
it's just so much easier than going out there with
either the handheld or a regular trap and throwing clay targets.
Speaker 4 (25:34):
Besides that, it's just fun. Anybody can use it. Thank you, sir.
Speaker 5 (25:37):
Let's grab Matthew out of Mati, Louisiana. Hello, Matthew, you
got a thought for a Christmas list?
Speaker 13 (25:43):
Yeah?
Speaker 11 (25:44):
Well, Suger, I'd like you know the CEO two powered
uh airsoft gun so I can practice drawing inshurt it
in my backyard.
Speaker 4 (25:56):
Yeah, and now which model would you? Yeah?
Speaker 5 (26:00):
Because they make those basically to replicate almost any of
your carry guns.
Speaker 11 (26:05):
Well, I get one I want to look at as
a snubnose revolver, and the other is a wonder about
the same size as our slipping wesson.
Speaker 4 (26:24):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (26:25):
That's actually a pretty good idea of getting an airsoft
replica of your carry gun. The other way, look, thank you,
I appreciate the call, sir.
Speaker 9 (26:32):
Uh.
Speaker 5 (26:33):
The other possibility is they've got air guns, not air soft,
but baby guns that will mimic I mean, they are
exact replicas fit your holster and everything. Of the various
sig guns, the various smith guns, various tauruses, Burrettas, all
the rest of them. And for anywhere between fifty and
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one hundred and fifty bucks you get one of these.
You can use that for your practice, practice your draw
and with these bb Gunging actually practice your trigger press
and accuracy and multiple shots. The only thing you don't
get out of it, and I want to add that,
is that you don't get recoil and so you don't
get to practice recoil management. Recoil management honestly comes down
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primarily to grip strength, and the tighter you grab your
gun your pistol, the better you're going to control recoil. Now,
there's a few other things involved, and when you go
to a good class you'll get some training on this,
but essentially having.
Speaker 4 (27:41):
A good tight grip.
Speaker 5 (27:42):
I always liked it when people would ask Rob Latham
and said, we know, Rob, I read that you'd have
like sixty percent of the grip strength in your right
hand and forty percent of the grip strength in your
left hand.
Speaker 4 (27:55):
And ROBSA, we don't. I've heard dad, he says, but
you know what I do? Now, what's that? What's the
world class shooter do it? Just? Well? I have a
one hundred percent of.
Speaker 5 (28:04):
The grip strength in my right hand and one hundred
percent of the grip strength in my left hand. And
when he shoots, the gun never moves.
Speaker 4 (28:12):
You go, oh okay, So that's the one thing you're
not going to get with those.
Speaker 5 (28:16):
But other than that, actually, Matthew, I think that's a
great idea. A CO two powered BB gun that is
a replica of your carry gun. It would be first
of all, to be really fun. You can shoot in
your garage if you have a safe backstop for stopping
BB's there. You will get a ton of training of
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drawing and shooting. It will teach you a lot about
getting a firm, good grip on the gun as it
comes out of the holster. The more I think about,
the more I like the idea. That's a pretty cool thought.
All right, So what's on your Christmas list? If you're
just thinking, okay, what would I.
Speaker 4 (28:52):
Like to have?
Speaker 5 (28:53):
Let me ask you this. Do you have an AR fifteen?
If you don't, maybe I'll think about getting one.
Speaker 4 (29:00):
And if you do, do you have an ar ken?
Maybe that's where you go. Let me know what your.
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Speaker 4 (31:32):
Here's a thought for you for a question. If you
could receive.
Speaker 5 (31:38):
A thousand dollars gift card for Christmas from anywhere, any outlet,
or for any particular product thousand dollars, what would you
want the gift card to be from particular place online?
To pick your place that you shop locally or for
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take your line or product. Maybe say, okay, I would
like a thousand dollars gift certificate to be able to
use that Smith and Western, Ruger, Daniel Defense whatever. Obviously,
there's no right or wrong answer. We're just having fun
with this thing. Right, Let's see line one. Charles is
in Toledo, Ohio. Hey Charles, what's going on?
Speaker 10 (32:20):
Hey?
Speaker 4 (32:20):
Tom?
Speaker 15 (32:21):
Question? So I can shoot further than I.
Speaker 16 (32:25):
Can see even my handgun, you know, my endy of
my hanggun, So I mean even fifteen to twenty yards,
and unless I use a ladder target, it's it's even
hard to see, especially when I shoot the twenty two.
Speaker 4 (32:41):
Okay.
Speaker 16 (32:41):
So I thought about putting my phone.
Speaker 15 (32:44):
On them, a tripod so I can see it. But
you know, I don't want that extra wear and chair
in my phone and.
Speaker 16 (32:52):
You know, battery instead and everything. So what do you recommend?
Speaker 10 (32:56):
Is there any uh?
Speaker 5 (32:58):
Okay, So what I'm trying to find, Well, yeah, there's
a lot of options.
Speaker 4 (33:03):
I mean, all you want to do is be able
to shoot.
Speaker 5 (33:05):
And then look at the target and see where you're hitting, right, Yeah,
why not a spotting scope?
Speaker 16 (33:13):
All right?
Speaker 5 (33:15):
I mean that's that's what we use for rifles. If
I'm shooting a one hundred yards, I can't see the
holes of the target generally speaking. So I've got a
spotting scope with me, and I just you know, lean
over and I use that and I can look through that.
It's got additional magnification. But you can do the same
thing with a pair of binoculars or a low power
spoting scope, even at pistol ranges.
Speaker 15 (33:35):
All right, I have sab of binoculars, but I'm like,
you know, I got to take to take a month
and look down, you know, look at it and look
through them and find it. And so I like the
idea of spinding scope, like just leaving it on a tripod.
Speaker 5 (33:51):
Yeah, you can do. You can do a wireless camera.
You can set it up close to the target with
the display you know, right where you're shooting.
Speaker 4 (33:59):
I mean they are and you.
Speaker 5 (34:00):
Don't have to call this together. There are systems made
to do exactly that. If you look up wireless camera
setups for target shooting, can you find several?
Speaker 15 (34:10):
Okay, all right, I will Google search of that and
see what we can find. And having mish, I'll tell
you later while she's doing happy Dance right now.
Speaker 4 (34:21):
Okay, that sounded like an after show. I deal, we'll
do that one.
Speaker 5 (34:23):
Thanks for call, sir. Thomas is in Alaska. Thomas, you're
on gun Talk.
Speaker 13 (34:29):
Hey, how's it going?
Speaker 10 (34:30):
Great show?
Speaker 13 (34:31):
As always? Hey, I wanted to comment, you know, last
week you're talking about something that also would make a
great Christmas present that would be like a less than
lethal maybe a burner or something like that that you
know they can carry places they can't carry their sidearm.
And I didn't want to comment. You know, I've had
a lot of experience carrying those type of lesson lethals,
from ass to pepper spray to tasers and all those
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kind of things. And you you said something last week
there was spot on and that is it can be
on the menu, but it shouldn't be the main course.
You need you need do you need that gun as
a backup no matter what you're caring because unfortunately with
tasers and pepper spray and all these other you know,
avenues you can take, sometimes they don't work.
Speaker 4 (35:12):
Well.
Speaker 5 (35:12):
You know, Thomas is a good point because now we
have video, uh police encounters all over and we go, wow,
the pepper spray didn't work. Wow, the even the taser
didn't work. I mean, and tasers are pretty darn good.
But if you know the problem is, as I always
tell people, they need going to ask themselves and what
do I do when that doesn't work?
Speaker 4 (35:34):
And I know and put police work.
Speaker 5 (35:35):
You know, you can tell me it's like, Okay, I
got all these tools, but what am I going to
do if that doesn't work? And then what am I
going to do if that doesn't work? Well, if if
all goes down to it, then I'm going to apply
and let a selling to them and give them a
good dose of it.
Speaker 13 (35:49):
Or if they come with a you know, if they
come with deadly force, you shouldn't be going to that
you know, alternative level. Anyway, you need to be stepping
up to lean what they're doing, if not better than always.
And yeah, that's the other problem with the you know,
the police videos. One of the things we see all
the time is people use of taser or they use
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pepper spray, and the people watching the videos don't understand
that the individual elevated it to deadly force and the
police have to match or go, you know, beyond what
they brought it up to. So, yeah, it's but it
is a good option, you know that. Of course, another
great option is training. You always buy your family members
some good training.
Speaker 5 (36:29):
But you know, I was hopefully somebody was going to
say that, hey, I could buy a class. It's a
good and look, I appreciate the call. It's excellent information
and good thought, uh. Frankly, you know, you could buy
really good pepper spray and small containers that the members
of your family can use. But along with that should
come information when can you use and when you do
not use it? Understand what are the laws some places
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you can't have pepper spray? At what point would you
use it? What do you do if it fails? Or
what how do you use it? Frankly, for me, if
I'm in a situation where I got to pepper spray somebody,
I'm going to hose them and then I'm not going
to be there anymore. My goal is to get distance.
Distance is your friend. With distance, you can buy time.
(37:13):
With time, you can be somewhere else you know, or
the time can allow you to go to your gun
if necessary. Here's a question for you. At what point
in the conference, the confrontation, rather in what point in
the attack do you decide to draw your gun and shoot.
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Got a story A fellow made a precautionary landing in
this plane. That is, the weather got bad and it
kept getting lower, the clouds getting lowered, and he can't
fly in the clouds, and he lands in the middle
of a field.
Speaker 4 (37:49):
True story.
Speaker 5 (37:51):
Investigator talking to him afterwards, said, Okay, at what point
you know all of this, did you make the decision
to do a precautionary landing in a field? The guy said,
ten years ago? So what said? Yeah, I had a
situation similar to this. Yeah, I didn't land there, I
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got myself into trouble, didn't crash, but I swore that
iever got into that situation again, I would make this
precautionary landing. Just go land in the field. You need
to make the decision to draw a shoot now today
for wherever that thing is going to happen in ten
years from now, so that you have put it into
your head if this happens, I will do that so
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you don't have a hesitation, you don't have a delay
that could get you or your family members killed. Along
with that, though, is you got to know the law
when you can and when you can't. You can't go
chase somebody down the street and shoot him in the
back because he ran into your car. Nope, it doesn't
work that way. This whole self defense with guns, it's involved,
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it's complicated. One of the best ways to information on
what you can and can't do is go take a
concealed carry class, whether or not you're going to get
the permit, whether or not you even need the permit.
You may live in a constitutional carry state, but there's
a valuable information there that if you don't know it,
you do need to know it. If you don't know it,
it might end up sending you to prison for the
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rest of your life.
Speaker 4 (39:26):
Hey, a few minutes, we're going to have.
Speaker 5 (39:28):
A Second Amendment scholar attorney, give us not da what's
going on with the cases going to the Supreme Court
in other cases. There's a lot happening right now with
the various groups with the lawsuits. And then a little
later on in the show, we're going to talk to
an NRA whistleblower. He was on the board of the NRA.
(39:51):
He blew the whistle on what Wayne and Lapierre and
his crew were doing. We love the story of what
they did to him and what happened and his take
on everything. Fascinating story. A lot of stuff there that
you want it here. You're not gonna want to miss
this one. Think about Christmas things here and list I'm
(40:17):
thinking about maybe if you're giving gifts people and you're
not sure if they're a shooter, you know what, Well,
Obviously amas always fail safe, but maybe even more so
than that, if you know what gun they shoot, particularly pistols.
How about magazines, No one ever has enough magazines. In fact,
(40:37):
he just notice to say it's too many magazines. I
don't think. I just ordered six high end nineteen eleven
magazines for this nineteen eleven pistol I'm going to be
getting in. I just ordered a new holster. I do
have nineteen eleven holsters, but I wanted something a little
bit different. Once we get it, once we get it
(40:58):
all put together and I shoot it, we'll see I shoot.
I'll give you a report on that. I'll have my
own race report, because once again I knew what I
wanted for Christmas, and I knew the only thing way
I was going to get it was to order it myself.
So there you go. Oh, here's a co of news item.
NRA director and former president Bob Barr has resigned his
(41:20):
seat on the Board of Directors. That's the fifth resignation
from the board within a month. It's a very good
thing that Bob Barr is gone, because he was one
of the Wayne Loppier people. The concerning thing is that
a number of these people who left were part of
that problem have landed at the NRA Foundation. The NRA
(41:42):
Foundation is the group that runs the Friends of the
NRA banquets. I don't know what they're doing over there,
but I do know from past experience that I don't
trust them as far as I could throw them Mount McKinley.
We're going to keep an eye on that, and as
(42:03):
I find out what's happening at NA Foundation, I'll let
you know. But I know that the money raised at
the NA banquets and Friends of the n A banquets
half stays local and half goes to the Foundation for
them to spend.
Speaker 4 (42:14):
And it's a lot of money.
Speaker 5 (42:16):
And given the past history, if some of these folks
the way they have gobbled up the money at the
NRA and just about fluid right into the ground. Fortunately
it's back and climbing back out. It's doing better. I'm
just not inclined to trust them at all. So we'll
keep you posted on that. But I'm glad that Bob
Barr is no longer there as long with some of
(42:36):
the other cronies there. I asked the question, if you
don't have an AR, would you want to get one?
The answer is yes, you do. Yeah, but I don't
like those guns. I don't like the look of them.
I don't like yeah, yeah, yeah, get over yourself again.
It's and one of those things that if you have
a shot one, you know it to yourself, because when
(42:58):
you do, you're gonna go, oh, I see what everybody's
talking about. You know what they ours are? They're fun.
They're just fun to shoot in two two three or
five five six. There's no recoil to speak of. If
you really want to have fun with them, get a can.
Oh yeah, you're gonna be able to get a can
without the two hundred dolls. Well, actually, you can get
(43:18):
it right now without the two hundred dollar tax. Because
a lot of the places like Silence are central they're
paying the two hundred dollars tax for you right now.
So even though the tax goes away at the end
of the year, they're taking care of that now because
they don't want everybody to wait until the end of
the year. They want you to be buying suppressors right now.
And there are some smoking hot deals. Speaking of smoking deals,
(43:39):
what are you seeing out there? I'd love to get
your take and you can share it with everybody else.
I'm seeing some incredible Black Friday sales and some really
good prices on things out there.
Speaker 4 (43:48):
Would love to.
Speaker 5 (43:48):
Get that infolk. You want to share that with everybody else.
Do a good deed for everybody else. The number here
is eight six six Talk gun or Tom talk gun.
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