November 16, 2025 • 44 mins
In This Hour:
-- NRA whistleblower Timothy Knight exposes what was going on the the Wayne LaPierre days.
-- The problem with shooting a machine gun at a public range is that everyone wants to talk with you about it, and you don't get to shoot it as much.
-- Simple tips to help you hit the target. Believe it or not, one is to shoot with your eyes closed.
Gun Talk 11.16.25 Hour 3
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-- NRA whistleblower Timothy Knight exposes what was going on the the Wayne LaPierre days.
-- The problem with shooting a machine gun at a public range is that everyone wants to talk with you about it, and you don't get to shoot it as much.
-- Simple tips to help you hit the target. Believe it or not, one is to shoot with your eyes closed.
Gun Talk 11.16.25 Hour 3
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 3 (00:28):
You know, I would talk about BNRA for quite some time.
I mean years ago. I said, hey, Wayne's up to something.
They don't like what his people are doing, and I
told people, look, don't renew, don't donate, just sit it
out for right now. We can't support what he's doing. Well,
a lot of people did, and that was good. But
then again that was then and this is now and
(00:50):
Wayne LaPier is gone. The people around him are gone.
But one of the things I hear people say is that, wow,
you know, the board wasn't standing up, the board wasn't
doing anything about it, And I don't think that was true.
Timothy Knight was one of the members of the board
who actually did that. And Timothy, you know, if anybody
should be mad at the NA and walk away and
(01:12):
say never again. It should be you. But that's not
what you're doing. You stood up, you said something, You
tried to call them out on what was going on
with Wayne and his cohorts, and man as you take
it from that, they really came went after you.
Speaker 4 (01:25):
Yeah, they did, Tom, And the key point here is
that was in twenty nineteen that myself and two other
director Sean Maloney and Ester Schnyder, stood up and said
we have concerns about management and we would like a
full auditing. And they weren't interested. They were more interested
in snaring us and defending a person as opposed to
defending our civil rights and our education programs and whatnot.
(01:48):
So the members deserve the truth, and we gave it
to them.
Speaker 3 (01:53):
There were, in fact, some board members who opposed Wayne
not enough, and they got shut down, and then they
brought the power of the TERRA against them, take them
off of key committees, basically marginalizing them to the point
where some of you ended up having to resign.
Speaker 4 (02:11):
Yes, stripping a board member of committees is really that's
where most of the work actually gets done on the
NRA board, is not in the boardroom itself, but in
those committees, and they definitely did come after many board
members who were not sure. And that was one of
the first things they did with Esther Sewn and myself
was immediately remove us from all relevant committees. The members
(02:32):
lost out because they lost us in those committees and
we were no longer useful to the members. And that
was the point. Shut those people up and shut them out.
Speaker 3 (02:40):
Well, that was it. And then if you raised it,
of course the committee is one thing. If you actually
raised it in the full board meeting, then they would
use all the Roberts rules of order to shut you down.
That's not appropriate, wrong time, wrong issue, not on the agenda, whatever.
It was basically sit down and shut up and behave
yourself correct.
Speaker 4 (02:58):
Yeah, procedural stuff. They have a couple of board members
despite the there's a parliamentarian in the front, but they
have board members who specifically will stand up and go, well,
this is out of order, this is the wrong time,
and they would use that to torpedo any kind of dissension.
And the members of the NRA don't elect their board
members to work for management. It's work with management, work
(03:20):
with the employees to help them to succeed, and if
we're not doing our part, they're not.
Speaker 5 (03:26):
Going to succeed.
Speaker 4 (03:27):
That's why with my responsibility to say, yeah, we're not
going to do this anymore, because the members deserve better.
Speaker 3 (03:32):
And what was interesting to me was how many members
and our members not only did not know what was
going on, but they were being told by the Wayne
people that no, this is all just noise, pay no
attention to this. We're doing it right. And those people
who are actually complaining about what Wayne is doing are
probably Bloomberg plants after all.
Speaker 4 (03:53):
Yeah, it was funny. Carolynetos, the president of the NRE
at the time, came out and said, well, Tim Knight
and Sean Lone and as there probably Bloomberg plants, which
on my particular case in Sean Maloney's, is that Sean
helped me with to call her oudo recalls back in
twenty thirteen, and I'd beat Bloomberg and his money twice
in one day, and I did it again in Virginia
on that board as a specific board member, there were
(04:13):
no two people on that board who'd actually directly done
stuff to derail Bloomberg ever, and we were those people.
And then to call us agents of Bloomberg.
Speaker 6 (04:24):
What a joke, all right?
Speaker 3 (04:25):
That was then, this is now. And one of the
things I hear people say, he used to Look, I'm
just done with them. I'm met at the NRA. They
betrayed me. And while that's kind of true, in fact,
it really wasn't the NRA, was it. It was more
of Wayne in this cabal of what I call criminals
around him, We were doing that and those people are gone. Gimly,
if there's anybody who should hold a grudge and say
(04:47):
I'm never coming back to the NRA, it should be you.
But that's not your position today.
Speaker 4 (04:54):
No, And that's why I reached out to you is Look, folks,
I was wrong publicly. It costs me a lot of
money on the backside, and it was my honor to serve.
But the reality is is that now is the time
to get back, folks. We have to get the NRA
back on track politically and the training, the competitions, all
of the things that they do which no other group
(05:16):
can and is doing. There's a lot of great work
done by other.
Speaker 5 (05:18):
Two A groups.
Speaker 4 (05:19):
I'm a member of most of them, but the NRA
we need back. And look, i'd be the first person
to tell you, Tom, and anyone else listening, they have
to earn it. But I'm telling you the board is new,
the management is new, and Tom. Part of this too
is that I didn't go to the NRA and say, hey,
I'm going to you know, I appreciate.
Speaker 5 (05:38):
You guys, I'm back all good.
Speaker 4 (05:39):
No, I'm here to tell you on my own volition
that this is the right thing to do. Now is
the time gun owners, people who care about the constitution.
Now is the time to let the NRA back in
to at least have a conversation. And I seriously encourage
people to get back on the horse.
Speaker 3 (05:56):
It actually is were rarely enough. There were some good
that came from the debacle with Wayne and everything else,
and that is a lot of people discovered some of
the other gun rights groups and there are some really
good ones, and they've been doing some really good stuff
in the courts and making headway and a lot of
One of the things that people don't know, I think
is that the NRA actually works with these groups, Fire's
Policy Coalitions, Segment Foundation, they all work with the NRA
(06:19):
on that, but nobody and there I'd love to get
you your take on this as far as I know,
nobody works the elections the way the NRA does to
put tens of millions of dollars to get the right
candidates elected. And we've got a midterm coming.
Speaker 4 (06:32):
Up, we do, and that's the key there are there
is some good work. GA has gotten in and done
some door knocking in certain places, and I really appreciate that,
but to the scope, it's not there. You know, this
is the time where gun owners can flext because we
do have that very important mid term, of course, which
has ramlifications far beyond gun rights and our constitutional rights,
(06:54):
but this is the time gun owners to do that
in the NRA is the one most prepared to do that.
Even in their diminished capacity now they are still the
biggest player here and this is the time where we
can make a difference. Because I'm Tom I don't want
people just to join the NRA. I want them to
work with the NRA, and we has a lot of
key tools through ISLA and others where they show you
(07:17):
how to do the awkward but very important part of
politics of going out and canvassing and meeting people and
talking to gun owners. They're not sending you to unfriendly
doors mostly but to make that eye contact that we
say so incredibly important to gun owners. It's the time now, folks,
to let ISLA show you how to do those things
for twenty twenty six and the other sides are already doing it,
(07:37):
so we need to be getting on it right now.
Speaker 3 (07:40):
I've not heard anybody say it the way you just did.
You have to do the things that are uncomfortable. And
I've said for many years gun owners, generally conservatives wholly don't.
They're not about telling other people how to live their
lives and what to do, and as a result, we
tend to sit on the side and we wonder why
all those people are trying to tell us how to
(08:01):
live our lives. But you know, politics requires involvement, and
if you don't get involved, then you are ceding the
fight to those who will.
Speaker 4 (08:11):
Benjamin Franklin said it best when he was leaving the
Constitutional Convention, when they were working it out, a lady
asked him, She said, what have you given us? And
he said, a republic if you can keep it. Those
words ring true to every single person who wants to
keep our republic. Yes, we practice democratic things, but listen
to people who call it a republic and if we
want to keep it, we want to keep our rights.
(08:33):
We as citizens need to take time because all those
years of people saying I just want to be left
alone got us here and we have to change that
and we can. That's the part. I will be knocking
on doors. I'm already working with some people to do
some rallying and getting out for Pennsylvania in twenty twenty six.
I will be on the road and I'm just as civilian.
I'm just a citizen out here doing that because it's
(08:54):
that important. I'll take time out of my life to
travel with other people in other states because I live
in Tennessee, safe here, but I have to show people
my example that I'm here for you. You might live on
a different side of the line, but we have.
Speaker 6 (09:07):
To do this together.
Speaker 3 (09:08):
You said I will take time out of my life,
and it reminds me. People show what they think is
really important by what they will spend their time and
their money on. And if you won't put your time
and your money into something, it's just lip service. You
don't really think it's important. That's right here.
Speaker 4 (09:26):
The difference between this subject and a citizen. Let's citizen up, folks,
and let's do it with the NRA.
Speaker 3 (09:31):
Turny Knight, thank you for your perspective. Like I say,
if anybody would swear off on the NRA and say
never again, you would be justified. But that's not what
you're doing. And thank you for sharing that message.
Speaker 7 (09:42):
It's my pleasure.
Speaker 4 (09:43):
I look forward to seeing people out.
Speaker 8 (09:44):
On the road.
Speaker 3 (09:45):
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Speaker 3 (12:07):
One of the things I do it's a variation of
what we used to call a clipping service when you
would pay a company to look at news and clip
news articles if you said I'm interested in whatever the
subject matter is, and they would do that. But now
you can do that real easily with Google Alerts, and
it finds new stories and clips them and sends you
(12:29):
an email and you've got all those stories. And I
do that for self defense and constial carry and a
lot of different subjects.
Speaker 11 (12:36):
Well.
Speaker 3 (12:36):
One I've started doing recently is the topic was road rage,
and it's really been instructive of how many road rage
incidents and attacks there are. Just had we're in Las
Vegas when an eleven year old boy got shot and killed.
(12:57):
Somebody got mad, shot into a car, shot into the
back seat, when there's an eleven year old back there,
he killed him. Want to talk to you a little
bit about how to think about this stuff, because if
you haven't thought about it in advance, there's a high
(13:17):
likelihood you'll screw it up. You won't do it right.
And the problem here is in the category of how
to do it right, it's not going to make you
feel good. It's not what you want to do, it's
not even what we think should happen. The category is
(13:38):
that how to do it right is you've got to
make peace with the fact that there are some people
out here who are stone cold crazy. Somebody could have
just gotten divorced, that could have just gotten sentenced to jail,
could have just found out he's eternal cancer, or just
be a complete loon. You don't know. Or there's some
(14:00):
people just getting mad because you passed them and they
don't want to be passed on the road. You'll run
their car into you. Let me describe what Clint Smith,
kind of the dean of Self Defense firem's instructors after
Colonel Jeff Cooper, who he worked with by the way
(14:21):
at Gunside, what Clint Smith said about that. He said, Yeah,
he says, you know, in a road rad situation, he says,
if if somebody's yelling at me outside of my car,
I'm not gonna do anything about that. I mean, if
you can, if you can drive away, drive away for
Havn's sakes. But if you're trapped, you can't get away.
(14:41):
He said. If they come beat on the hood of
my car, he says, still not gonna do anything. If
they come over start beating on my window, he said,
I'm going to slide over to the middle of the seat.
If I can, I'm going to get my gun in
my hands. But I'm not gonna shoot them. There's outside
the car. They don't represent a threat, he said. But
(15:05):
if they break out the window, and notice here mcnote
the windows are up. Don't roll down your window to
talk to somebody who's crazy. Shields up, keep your shiels up,
keep your windows up. But if he breaks out the
window and reaches in, he said, I'm gonna light him up.
(15:27):
So take that concept and run with that. If he
breaks out the window and reaches in, I'm gonna shoot him. Okay. Unfortunately,
what happens is God beats on your car and you're
gonna get out, and I'm gonna teach you a lesson.
I'm gonna whoop his butt. Okay, except he's got a
(15:50):
knife or a crowbar or a gun, and you got
out there because he beat on your car, which, by
the way, State Farm or all State will repair. It'll
cost you some inconvenience, but it's not gonna cost you
twenty years in jail, which it might if you get
out and shoot this guy. And if you get out
(16:12):
and you've got a gun and you're confronting him. You
might end up shooting him because he might decide, Yeah,
what are you gonna do about it? I'm gonna stick
this knife in your gut. And now you are at
a place where you have to shoot him, where you
would not have had to shoot him if you'd stayed
in your car or driven away. If he comes and
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beats in your car or runs into your car and
he starts to drive away, please don't get into a
high speed chase. I want to get his license plate number. No,
you're going to cause an accident. You're gonna get yourself
into trouble. Just stay where you are, call the police,
make your report. I told you work like this. It's
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not going to make you feel good. It's not what
you want to do. It's not what you think is justice.
It's not right, not fair. But it might keep you
out of prison, and it also might keep you from
getting killed. There was a young woman I used to
work with in the magazine World Beautiful, young woman in
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her twenties, and she was engaged to this real nice
guy and they were backing out of a driveway one day,
and this car was coming down the road and swerved
around him because he was backing out into the road
and his car honked at him, and her fiance flipped
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these guy's the bird. Well, the car stops, turned around
and two guys get out of the car. Well, he's
not going to be showed up in front of his fiance.
He gets out of the car. They beat him to
death with a crowbar in front of his fiance. He
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got out of the car because he didn't want to
be embarrassed in front of his girlfriend. His fiance, they
beat him to death with a crowbar. I want you
to remember that story when you're thinking about, well, he
did this to me, he cut me off, he did
get over yourself. Okay, just food for thought, something for
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you to process. There. Let's go to the line for
Tony's with us out on a vat. Hello, Tony, you're
on gun talk. What's on your mind, sir?
Speaker 11 (18:45):
Thank you. You're talking about owning a machine gun. Owning
a machine gun is great, it's fun, it's fantastic, But
it's a two edged sword. Every time I take my
Cold sixteen out to the range, if I put it
on single fire, you know, it's just like any other
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Colt M sixteen out there or AR fifteen, and nobody
pays attention to me. But as soon as I move
that selector switch up one or all the way over
to full, it's it's like everybody's kind of come over
and take a look at it and ask me fifteen
thousand questions.
Speaker 3 (19:26):
I can give it away free ice cream, man.
Speaker 11 (19:29):
A free ice cream one. It's one hundred degrees outside,
you know, and you know you gotta be nice to everybody,
and you got to say, you know, you know, you
answer as many questions you can't except one. Can I
shoot it? No, you can't, And you know, and that
(19:50):
comes with the territory, I guess. And so if I
go out with a friend or two in the morning,
the range opens up, I think seven point thirty, and
that's what time I try to make an apployment or
you know, get a slot in there. You know, nobody's
typically out there and I can shoot to my heart
(20:11):
content whatever I want to do. But if I go
out on a weekend, and you know, as soon as
I move that selector switch over, you know, my friend,
we're not we're not going out with you because.
Speaker 3 (20:28):
Because you're shooting. Just stop. Yeah, everybody comes over. Now
you're shooting stops and now you're answering questions. First question
everybody wants to know is that legal? Right that?
Speaker 11 (20:39):
And where did you get it? Where did you get it?
Speaker 3 (20:44):
You know? And for people who don't know, you can
buy machine guns. They are legal, they're expensive. I mean,
actually it was Johnny Durry many years ago. I said,
you know, if I was going to buy a machine gun, Johnny,
and maybe for investment purposes, question I get. He said,
get a full auto M sixteen, just like you got. Interesting.
I didn't take his advice, And now I look at
(21:05):
what I would have paid versus what it was self
for now and once again I make poor investments.
Speaker 11 (21:12):
Well, my class three person that I bought this from
has asked me three times do you want to sell
that back to me? And I say, well, respectfully.
Speaker 3 (21:23):
No, not yet.
Speaker 11 (21:24):
Anyway, you know, I wish I wish I would have
sold you another one instead of this one because this
one has some history with the government. Let me just
put it that way.
Speaker 3 (21:38):
Ah. Interesting, I love guns. I have some providence on that,
and I have some stories behind them. Look, thank you
for sharing that. And it is an interesting point. Yeah,
if you go to public range, you start shooting full auto.
People are going to be gravitating over to you. They're
going to know what you have. They said, what are
the A lot of questions and if you're serious about
your shooting, and the shooting stops, and you got to deal
with that. So it's an interesting point. It's one of
(22:00):
the reasons that a lot of the people I know
who have machine guns go to private ranges so they
have their own places and they do that as well. So,
but yeah, you can own a machine gun now. And
if maybe Tarnova's going to ever happen, but if we've
got a ruling to say, okay, the national fires, that
goes away because it was a tax law and there's
no more tax and you can now own machine guns.
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Katie bar the door. Yeah, I'm gonna be first in line.
I'm gonna want one. I mean, I'm not gonna buy one.
I'm gonna buy more than one, because that's what I do.
You know, there are people who say, well, you know,
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you guys just carry your hidden guns, not concealed. They
always want to make me hidden. You carry your hidden
guns because you just want to shoot somebody. It's such
a weird idea. It's like saying, you know, you have
a fire extinguisher because you really want to have a
(23:04):
fire But they would never say that because that would
be idiotic. It's just as idiotics say I have a
self defense gun because I want to shoot somebody. No,
I want to not shoot somebody, but I carry a
gun because I don't want them to shoot me. Oh oh,
oh oh news item. This one slipped out. Ruger did
(23:26):
not mean to let this out. They're usually really good
about being secret and quiet about their new products, and
sometimes we sign NDA's and I know about things we
can't talk about. But this one's out because it came
out in their quarterly report and they're talking about what's
(23:47):
coming up their financial report. Get right to it, Tom,
the Ruger is going to bring back the red label shotgun,
one of my favorite shotguns of all time. They're over
and under. They had it in twelve, twenty and twenty
eight gauge. I don't think they ever made it in
four ten. The twenty eight gauge was utterly delightful. The
(24:10):
twenty gage was great, The twelve gage was okay, But
I just like twenty and twenty eight gauges better. I
think they've handled better. My personal preference is if you're
going to get a twenty gauge or a twenty eight gage.
Get twenty eight inch barrels, thirty eight barrels if you
can get them. I don't know if they'll offer that,
But don't go with the twenty six inch barrels. Everybody says, yeah,
(24:30):
but it feels so light and it's quick, and yeah
it is. It's quick. It's quick to start and it's
quick to stop. And for a lot of folks, the
reason you miss flying targets is because you stop the muzzles,
you stop the barrels. You don't have your follow through
in your swing longer, heavier barrels to help you swing through.
So get twenty eight or thirty inch barrels if you can.
(24:52):
But I am delighted. I don't know when it's going
to happen, but I'm really really glad to hear that
Ruger is going to bring back the red label. That
is so cool. Good news. All right, let's go to
gym online. Two out of Saint Louis. Jim, thank you
for your patience. You're on the line here.
Speaker 8 (25:08):
Go ahead, Oh, thank you. Speaking of Rugers, I called
in about my SR seven six to two.
Speaker 3 (25:16):
Okay, I bought the.
Speaker 8 (25:19):
Last one on the shelf at Cabela's.
Speaker 3 (25:23):
So why did you go with three?
Speaker 5 (25:26):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (25:26):
Wait, do you already have a R fifteen's and five
five six?
Speaker 8 (25:31):
I don't own a five five six. I think of
them as the mouse guns. I hot deer and at
a hole typically fifty sixty yards, right, it probably would
be good enough, but then dim light and my old eyes,
and I want to take them and knock them down.
Speaker 3 (25:52):
So do you hunt deer with your AR ten rifle?
Speaker 8 (25:56):
Yes, that's why I bought it.
Speaker 3 (25:59):
Nice? How long have you had it?
Speaker 8 (26:01):
Oh? How long do they quit making them? They need
to bring those back if they want to revive a
good one. I agree, fourteen years ago probably?
Speaker 3 (26:13):
Oh wow, okay, so obviously you've taken you've taken some
deer with it?
Speaker 8 (26:17):
Then? Oh yeah, every year, at least one.
Speaker 3 (26:23):
There is something completely different about having a three to
eight in your AR in the AR ten platform, And
of course they are also chambering those for the six
five creed More and other calibers as well, but it's
primarily thought of as a three to eight rifle. Very cool. Well, look,
I appreciate the call, sir. Yeah, I like the art
at ten as well. I also like it that they're
(26:44):
making them lighter. I have one of the early sig
what was that seven sixteen? There was a heavy beast.
There was like nine or ten pounds. Great for shooting
off of rest or something like that. But if you
want to carry it around, it was a little lot.
Who's a lot to carry around. Well, let's go grab
Tony out of Carson City. He's online, one Tony, You're
(27:05):
on the air. What's up?
Speaker 12 (27:07):
Well, Hello, Tom?
Speaker 8 (27:08):
Thank you.
Speaker 5 (27:10):
You know, my question comes up about the suppressors in
the tax stamps. Okay, now that they're going away, what
I haven't heard anybody address yet is the existing suppressors
we have. Are we going to be required to carry
our tax stamps? Oh and show?
Speaker 12 (27:27):
You know?
Speaker 3 (27:30):
Yeah? You know. Yeah. I'll be honest with you. I
don't carry a tax stamp with my suppressor. I just
carry a photo of my paperwork on my phone. And
you know, I don't know if that's actually kosher, if
it's legal, I don't know. Tell you what I'm going
to do. I love your question though, because I don't
know the answer to that. Are they going to continue
the issues stamps but with no tax to be paid
(27:55):
on it, and if not, do you still have to
have the stamp or with your older suppressors. I'm going
to get somebody from the American Suppressor Association on here
in the next week or so. I'm going to ask
them the questions. So I don't know the answers, but
it's a really good question and weon'll get that out
as quick as we can. Okay, all right, well, thank you,
(28:18):
thank you. I appreciate that. Let's go ahead and get
in Bill before we hit our break here, line five
out of Idaho. Hey, Bill, Bill you there? Okay, Bill,
I want to get a sandwich. Hey, what, Let's take
our quick break here. I'm gonna come back. We'll round
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Speaker 3 (31:04):
Going to the phones. Chris is in Stockton, Colorado on three.
Hello Chris, what do you want to do here?
Speaker 5 (31:10):
Hi?
Speaker 8 (31:11):
Tom?
Speaker 14 (31:11):
Yeah, it's California. And what I would like to do
is I want to build an AR fifteen on the
on that platform, but I want to I don't want
to use five five six. I've been researching and it
looks like I can. My choices might be a six
millimeter six' Five grendel or six EIGHT. SPC i don't hand,
(31:33):
loads so i'd have to have factory, loads AND i
primarily target, shoot BUT i wouldn't But i'd also liked
the capability to hunt with. It So i'm kind of
wondering what your thoughts on those choices.
Speaker 3 (31:45):
ARE i would take a hard look at the six
millimeter arc ARC. M it's a newer one and it's
a really good, one AND i think it will do
everything you want and you can do a little you
know here that web searching and find out more about.
(32:05):
It BUT i think you may like what you. SEE i,
mean obviously there are a lot of different options. There
you got the grindle and you got some. Others BUT
i wish you to take a look at the six milimeter.
Speaker 14 (32:16):
Arc is THE ammo available for that or is that
still something kind of?
Speaker 3 (32:21):
New it Is i'm trying To i'm thinking that that's horned.
Damo i'd have to go back and. Chat i'm pretty
sure that. Is BUT i think that's the case, again
AND i don't have one or otherwise i'd have a
lot more information on. It i've just been reading about,
it BUT i would take a look at. That BUT
i think you can get FACTORY amo for. It but,
(32:41):
yeah take a.
Speaker 14 (32:42):
Look, okay all, right WELL i appreciate the thoughts and.
Speaker 3 (32:46):
Everything all, right Thanks, CHRIS i appreciate. That all, right
let's Grab charles out OF i think it's In. Minnesota, Hey,
charles your on gun talk red label talk to, me, yes, sir.
Speaker 15 (32:58):
Yes, YEAH i have A i have three red, LABELS
a twenty twelve and a twenty eight, gauge and the
twenty eight gauge CAME i got savage or excuse me
Ruger ad you could Put brell's inserts and it came
with different choke, tubes so you could turn a twenty
(33:20):
eight gauge into a four to ten.
Speaker 3 (33:22):
By using the.
Speaker 15 (33:23):
Tubes, yep and it went the whole length of the.
Speaker 3 (33:26):
Barrel oh, okay that's much much. Better fulling tubes work
really well and they add a little bit of. Weight
it really helps what you follow through on.
Speaker 15 (33:38):
Those, yes but you're talking about and you're talking about longer.
BARRELS i Have my twenty gauge is A i think
it's a twenty twenty six inch AND i could knock
the heck out of the pheasants with. Them and it's
a shorter, barrel but with seven and a half, shot,
BOY i could knock the heck out of pheasants with it.
Speaker 3 (34:00):
Well and the barrel link really doesn't have anything to
do with the power out there in terms of, range
thor anything. Else it's just a case of having a
little bit more, weight a little bit more siding, playing
which probably is particularly for spot. Shooting festinis probably didn't.
Matter so why did you go with the red. Label
there's a lot of different overn enders out.
Speaker 15 (34:19):
THERE i Just american made AND i first got the
twenty gauge, first and it didn't have choke, toobs but
it's my favorite. Shotgun and THEN i got a twelve
gauge after being a poor college student for three. Years
and THEN i had money burning a hole in my.
(34:41):
Pocket and THEN i bought a twenty eight, gauge and
then it's called. GOSH i hope they don't come up
with a four. Ten and Then ruger offered the barrels
insert they. Got the only THING i don't like about
the twenty eight gauge is it had a hard butt
stock hard butt plate on the.
Speaker 5 (35:01):
Back oh, okay not, Rubber.
Speaker 3 (35:03):
So did you replace? That kind of it's not a
big deal to put a rubber butt plate on there butt.
Speaker 15 (35:08):
PAD i haven't, yet BUT i. Will but and then one, Thing,
TOM i have listened to your program Every.
Speaker 5 (35:16):
Sunday oh, well thank.
Speaker 3 (35:18):
You i'm here Every sunday, Too what a.
Speaker 15 (35:20):
Coincidence tell my friends don't call me When i'm listening
to a gun.
Speaker 3 (35:26):
Talk, so, so all, right what's the barrel length on
your twenty eight?
Speaker 15 (35:30):
Gauge THAT'S i think that's a GOD i have looked.
At i'm guessing it's either a twenty eight or a.
Speaker 3 (35:39):
Thirty, yeah that that is such a sweet. GUN i
just love the feel of.
Speaker 15 (35:43):
Those AND i really like twenty eight. GAUGE i have
a a three trystar twenty eight, gauge and and that's
WHAT i use for shoot red squirrels when they tried
to get into the bird.
Speaker 11 (35:55):
Feeder so but.
Speaker 15 (35:58):
And one other, THING i JUST i broke down AND
i bought. MYSELF i went To savage and got a
one ten clim AND i went to the customs department
and got it in the six millimeter Creed.
Speaker 3 (36:12):
More oh, yeah and the sixth Creed more is really
making some, headwaves becoming considerably more. POPULAR i, mean basically
it does worth two forty three, does but it does
it with a higher, twist and you can use heavy
for caliber bullets and get longer range out of it
with low.
Speaker 15 (36:28):
Recoil, yes, yes so but excellent ALL i have to, Say,
Tom BUT i love listening to your program AND i
hope you stick her ound for a lot.
Speaker 3 (36:37):
Longer so thank, You. CHARLES i intend to you, know
we'll just see what The lord has the plan for,
us like all the rest of. Us but thank you
for that. Call let's, say we've got time to get building.
HERE i think we. Do Hey, bill let's let's pull
him on a line five out Of. Ida, bill thank
you for your. Patience so had to get you back in.
Speaker 12 (36:55):
Here you bet, WELL i LOST i don't know what it.
IS i lose contact out. Here Hey, TOM I i'm
going to listen to. You clear back to the very late.
NINETIES i lived out in the bush In, alaska.
Speaker 3 (37:08):
AND i got.
Speaker 12 (37:08):
YOU i think it was kV i on the.
Speaker 9 (37:10):
Radio.
Speaker 12 (37:10):
WOW i went in The marines WHEN i went through
boot camp in sixty eight and then had Some raine
for weapons. Qualifications we shot THE m FOURTEEN a. One
the troop panelers taught us something THAT i still. Use
i've used it all my. Life i've taught my, grandkids my,
buddies my buddies'. Grandkids it's called, brass, breathe, relax, aim, slack.
(37:34):
Squeeze AND i heard a little bit a while, ago
and then last week there was a GUY i tried
to get in and that. Works you take you, breathe you,
relax you take your, aim whether it's opener or. Scope
some weapons still have, slack and then squeeze it. Off
(37:56):
you put that word in your, head, breathe, relax, aims.
Squeeze it takes your mind off of AM i holding
the weapon? Right AM i pulling the trigger too?
Speaker 4 (38:06):
TIGHT i like.
Speaker 3 (38:09):
IT i had not heard that, before BUT i JUST
i love what that does for. You it allows you
to concentrate on what you need to do and quit
thinking about the wabble of the sights and quit thinking
about you, know what the scope is doing out. There
you start thinking about the manipulation of the, gun and
basically THAT i call it a. Press but, yeah squeeze
(38:30):
works just as well as long as you just thinking
about trigger. Manipulation. Bill thank you for. THAT i appreciate, that.
Sir good. INFORMATION i had not heard that. Before, man
maybe that's just a marine, Thing but there you. Go
there are a lot of ways to try to get
better at. Shooting here's a tip for. You i've talked
about it. Before it sounds, goofy but when you try,
it you're gonna go, wow that's. Cool with your, handgun
get all lined up on the bull's, eye everything set,
(38:52):
up finger on the, trigger start increasing the, pressure and
just before you, shoot close both eyes and impress the. Truck.
YEAH i know it sounds, stupid but try. It if
you close your, eyes you will get a good trigger.
Press when you open your, eyes the bullet's going to
be right in the center and you're going to Go
how did that? HAPPEN i can tell, you but it
doesn't really. Matter it just. Happens and what it tells
(39:14):
you is if you're working too, Hard hell, yeah and
you're yank and the. Trigger, well my dear season has.
ENDED i was out, yesterday had an actually a decent
chance at one three hundred, yards very, doable didn't take the,
(39:37):
shot had a chance at one a week earlier four
hundred and seventeen, yards didn't take the shot. Out i'll
fill in the blanks and tell you what happened on
those during the after. Show and if you want to
be part of the after, show give me a. Call
now we could talk then just give us give us
a holler eighty six to six talk. Gun But brandon
called in and we want to talk to. Him Hey,
brandon thanks for the.
Speaker 7 (39:55):
Call Hey, tom thank you so much for taking my.
CALL i just recently discovered your show on the iHeartRadio
app and SINCE i SINCE i heard, It, MAN i
got my notepad out. Here i'm writing. Down you know
gun models and, stuff and you're so you're so, Knowledgeable
BUT i just had a couple of questions on your
(40:16):
opinion of.
Speaker 8 (40:17):
A couple of models of.
Speaker 11 (40:18):
Ruder, okay go.
Speaker 7 (40:19):
AHEAD i took my concealed carry class back. Home it's
been twenty twenty with AN ec NINE s AND i
purchased a kin round extended magazine for. It the brand
is made By pro Mag the gun did. GREAT i shot.
WELL i was the only left handed die in my.
(40:40):
Class SO i would like your opinion on that, gun
Because i've heard you mentioned several rugers and the Other.
RUGER i bought it because it looked. SHINY i didn't
know much about. It it's AN sr NINE. Cep it
around the. House i've heard of a fire. SITUATION i
(41:01):
don't know much about, it BUT i just keep it
in a droller somewhere in the.
Speaker 3 (41:05):
House SO i think The. EAST i think THE sr
nine series was little understood in the great. SERIES i
love that. PISTOL i would shoot. THAT i would carry
that without a heart now think about. It just WOULDN'T
i love that? Thing? Now the E c NINE s is,
inexpensive and look if it worked for you and you
shoot it, well then that's. Fine that's all that matters
(41:27):
for concealed carry gun is does it work reliably and
can you shoot it? Well and if those things, work then,
YES i would buy another couple of magazines for, it
just to have, those just because you always want to
have more magazines and try to get out and shoot it.
Regularly by, REGULARLY i mean at least every two. Months
you got to go out and shoot that. Gun, okay,
okay but go out shoot shoot THAT sr nine while
(41:51):
you're AT i, mean that is a nice.
Speaker 6 (41:53):
PISTOL i loved.
Speaker 7 (41:55):
IT i like the you, know the difference between the two,
is you, know THE ec nine is just a single.
Stack and it was funny BECAUSE i wear this gun
all the. Time THE ec nine is my every day
And i've kept it in A houston leather holster AND
i heard you say.
Speaker 4 (42:11):
IT i.
Speaker 7 (42:12):
DON'T i can't think it's been a few days, ago
but are a few sundays. Ago, sorry you had mentioned
not to leave it in the leather holster all the.
Time Now i've got some surface rest on. It you
mentioned that it'll carry, moisture AND i was kind of
laughing at myself BECAUSE i THOUGHT i can't believe it was.
Speaker 8 (42:26):
So dumb, that you, KNOW i take it off all,
right AND i.
Speaker 7 (42:28):
Just throw, it throw it in the night, stand AND
i don't ever take it out of the. Holster but
you're totally.
Speaker 3 (42:32):
Right so, well what you do is make sure and
we'll take care of that once a. Week make it
part of your your. Program i'm part of your. Policy
once a. Week you got to clean that. Gun you
gotta take the amo out of, it even though all
you've done is just carry, it strip it, down wipe
it down with the. Oil you don't have to clean it
because there's no gunfire residue on, it but wipe it
(42:53):
down with a good rag with gun oil on, it
a gun, oil so this made for. That and then
put it back together and put it back in the. Whole,
sure you'll be. Fine it's leaving it in there without
any kind of protective treatment on it that causes the.
Problem but if you'll do that once a, week just unload,
it you, know wipe it all, down make sure it's
lube so it's gonna run like it's supposed. To you're
(43:13):
not gonna have a problem with. It, LOOK i got a.
SCOOT i appreciate the. Call and you've got a couple
of nice pistols. There but you have that RUGOR sr
nine AND sr NINE c first double. Sacks i'm aware of.
That we're only at one inch. THICK i loved how
thin they, were AND i like the way they. Shot
of course they've got new ones, now they've got a
lot of really nice. Pistols, god we have so many
(43:33):
things to choose. From tell me about your favorite, One
give me a. Call we'll talk about it on the
after show eight six six Talk. Gun in the, meantime
get out to the, range do more, shooting make up
Your christmas, lists maybe put a machine gun on. There,
hey we could, dream cant we could be. Fun have
yourself a great. Week i'm Talk. Gresham thanks for joining me.
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Speaker 3 (00:28):
You know, I would talk about BNRA for quite some time.
I mean years ago. I said, hey, Wayne's up to something.
They don't like what his people are doing, and I
told people, look, don't renew, don't donate, just sit it
out for right now. We can't support what he's doing. Well,
a lot of people did, and that was good. But
then again that was then and this is now and
(00:50):
Wayne LaPier is gone. The people around him are gone.
But one of the things I hear people say is that, wow,
you know, the board wasn't standing up, the board wasn't
doing anything about it, And I don't think that was true.
Timothy Knight was one of the members of the board
who actually did that. And Timothy, you know, if anybody
should be mad at the NA and walk away and
(01:12):
say never again. It should be you. But that's not
what you're doing. You stood up, you said something, You
tried to call them out on what was going on
with Wayne and his cohorts, and man as you take
it from that, they really came went after you.
Speaker 4 (01:25):
Yeah, they did, Tom, And the key point here is
that was in twenty nineteen that myself and two other
director Sean Maloney and Ester Schnyder, stood up and said
we have concerns about management and we would like a
full auditing. And they weren't interested. They were more interested
in snaring us and defending a person as opposed to
defending our civil rights and our education programs and whatnot.
(01:48):
So the members deserve the truth, and we gave it
to them.
Speaker 3 (01:53):
There were, in fact, some board members who opposed Wayne
not enough, and they got shut down, and then they
brought the power of the TERRA against them, take them
off of key committees, basically marginalizing them to the point
where some of you ended up having to resign.
Speaker 4 (02:11):
Yes, stripping a board member of committees is really that's
where most of the work actually gets done on the
NRA board, is not in the boardroom itself, but in
those committees, and they definitely did come after many board
members who were not sure. And that was one of
the first things they did with Esther Sewn and myself
was immediately remove us from all relevant committees. The members
(02:32):
lost out because they lost us in those committees and
we were no longer useful to the members. And that
was the point. Shut those people up and shut them out.
Speaker 3 (02:40):
Well, that was it. And then if you raised it,
of course the committee is one thing. If you actually
raised it in the full board meeting, then they would
use all the Roberts rules of order to shut you down.
That's not appropriate, wrong time, wrong issue, not on the agenda, whatever.
It was basically sit down and shut up and behave
yourself correct.
Speaker 4 (02:58):
Yeah, procedural stuff. They have a couple of board members
despite the there's a parliamentarian in the front, but they
have board members who specifically will stand up and go, well,
this is out of order, this is the wrong time,
and they would use that to torpedo any kind of dissension.
And the members of the NRA don't elect their board
members to work for management. It's work with management, work
(03:20):
with the employees to help them to succeed, and if
we're not doing our part, they're not.
Speaker 5 (03:26):
Going to succeed.
Speaker 4 (03:27):
That's why with my responsibility to say, yeah, we're not
going to do this anymore, because the members deserve better.
Speaker 3 (03:32):
And what was interesting to me was how many members
and our members not only did not know what was
going on, but they were being told by the Wayne
people that no, this is all just noise, pay no
attention to this. We're doing it right. And those people
who are actually complaining about what Wayne is doing are
probably Bloomberg plants after all.
Speaker 4 (03:53):
Yeah, it was funny. Carolynetos, the president of the NRE
at the time, came out and said, well, Tim Knight
and Sean Lone and as there probably Bloomberg plants, which
on my particular case in Sean Maloney's, is that Sean
helped me with to call her oudo recalls back in
twenty thirteen, and I'd beat Bloomberg and his money twice
in one day, and I did it again in Virginia
on that board as a specific board member, there were
(04:13):
no two people on that board who'd actually directly done
stuff to derail Bloomberg ever, and we were those people.
And then to call us agents of Bloomberg.
Speaker 6 (04:24):
What a joke, all right?
Speaker 3 (04:25):
That was then, this is now. And one of the
things I hear people say, he used to Look, I'm
just done with them. I'm met at the NRA. They
betrayed me. And while that's kind of true, in fact,
it really wasn't the NRA, was it. It was more
of Wayne in this cabal of what I call criminals
around him, We were doing that and those people are gone. Gimly,
if there's anybody who should hold a grudge and say
(04:47):
I'm never coming back to the NRA, it should be you.
But that's not your position today.
Speaker 4 (04:54):
No, And that's why I reached out to you is Look, folks,
I was wrong publicly. It costs me a lot of
money on the backside, and it was my honor to serve.
But the reality is is that now is the time
to get back, folks. We have to get the NRA
back on track politically and the training, the competitions, all
of the things that they do which no other group
(05:16):
can and is doing. There's a lot of great work
done by other.
Speaker 5 (05:18):
Two A groups.
Speaker 4 (05:19):
I'm a member of most of them, but the NRA
we need back. And look, i'd be the first person
to tell you, Tom, and anyone else listening, they have
to earn it. But I'm telling you the board is new,
the management is new, and Tom. Part of this too
is that I didn't go to the NRA and say, hey,
I'm going to you know, I appreciate.
Speaker 5 (05:38):
You guys, I'm back all good.
Speaker 4 (05:39):
No, I'm here to tell you on my own volition
that this is the right thing to do. Now is
the time gun owners, people who care about the constitution.
Now is the time to let the NRA back in
to at least have a conversation. And I seriously encourage
people to get back on the horse.
Speaker 3 (05:56):
It actually is were rarely enough. There were some good
that came from the debacle with Wayne and everything else,
and that is a lot of people discovered some of
the other gun rights groups and there are some really
good ones, and they've been doing some really good stuff
in the courts and making headway and a lot of
One of the things that people don't know, I think
is that the NRA actually works with these groups, Fire's
Policy Coalitions, Segment Foundation, they all work with the NRA
(06:19):
on that, but nobody and there I'd love to get
you your take on this as far as I know,
nobody works the elections the way the NRA does to
put tens of millions of dollars to get the right
candidates elected. And we've got a midterm coming.
Speaker 4 (06:32):
Up, we do, and that's the key there are there
is some good work. GA has gotten in and done
some door knocking in certain places, and I really appreciate that,
but to the scope, it's not there. You know, this
is the time where gun owners can flext because we
do have that very important mid term, of course, which
has ramlifications far beyond gun rights and our constitutional rights,
(06:54):
but this is the time gun owners to do that
in the NRA is the one most prepared to do that.
Even in their diminished capacity now they are still the
biggest player here and this is the time where we
can make a difference. Because I'm Tom I don't want
people just to join the NRA. I want them to
work with the NRA, and we has a lot of
key tools through ISLA and others where they show you
(07:17):
how to do the awkward but very important part of
politics of going out and canvassing and meeting people and
talking to gun owners. They're not sending you to unfriendly
doors mostly but to make that eye contact that we
say so incredibly important to gun owners. It's the time now, folks,
to let ISLA show you how to do those things
for twenty twenty six and the other sides are already doing it,
(07:37):
so we need to be getting on it right now.
Speaker 3 (07:40):
I've not heard anybody say it the way you just did.
You have to do the things that are uncomfortable. And
I've said for many years gun owners, generally conservatives wholly don't.
They're not about telling other people how to live their
lives and what to do, and as a result, we
tend to sit on the side and we wonder why
all those people are trying to tell us how to
(08:01):
live our lives. But you know, politics requires involvement, and
if you don't get involved, then you are ceding the
fight to those who will.
Speaker 4 (08:11):
Benjamin Franklin said it best when he was leaving the
Constitutional Convention, when they were working it out, a lady
asked him, She said, what have you given us? And
he said, a republic if you can keep it. Those
words ring true to every single person who wants to
keep our republic. Yes, we practice democratic things, but listen
to people who call it a republic and if we
want to keep it, we want to keep our rights.
(08:33):
We as citizens need to take time because all those
years of people saying I just want to be left
alone got us here and we have to change that
and we can. That's the part. I will be knocking
on doors. I'm already working with some people to do
some rallying and getting out for Pennsylvania in twenty twenty six.
I will be on the road and I'm just as civilian.
I'm just a citizen out here doing that because it's
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that important. I'll take time out of my life to
travel with other people in other states because I live
in Tennessee, safe here, but I have to show people
my example that I'm here for you. You might live on
a different side of the line, but we have.
Speaker 6 (09:07):
To do this together.
Speaker 3 (09:08):
You said I will take time out of my life,
and it reminds me. People show what they think is
really important by what they will spend their time and
their money on. And if you won't put your time
and your money into something, it's just lip service. You
don't really think it's important. That's right here.
Speaker 4 (09:26):
The difference between this subject and a citizen. Let's citizen up, folks,
and let's do it with the NRA.
Speaker 3 (09:31):
Turny Knight, thank you for your perspective. Like I say,
if anybody would swear off on the NRA and say
never again, you would be justified. But that's not what
you're doing. And thank you for sharing that message.
Speaker 7 (09:42):
It's my pleasure.
Speaker 4 (09:43):
I look forward to seeing people out.
Speaker 8 (09:44):
On the road.
Speaker 3 (09:45):
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Speaker 8 (11:55):
Oh God, I'm Blake mikez from Louisiana senator and former
world champion.
Speaker 6 (12:00):
Welcome back to gun Talk.
Speaker 3 (12:07):
One of the things I do it's a variation of
what we used to call a clipping service when you
would pay a company to look at news and clip
news articles if you said I'm interested in whatever the
subject matter is, and they would do that. But now
you can do that real easily with Google Alerts, and
it finds new stories and clips them and sends you
(12:29):
an email and you've got all those stories. And I
do that for self defense and constial carry and a
lot of different subjects.
Speaker 11 (12:36):
Well.
Speaker 3 (12:36):
One I've started doing recently is the topic was road rage,
and it's really been instructive of how many road rage
incidents and attacks there are. Just had we're in Las
Vegas when an eleven year old boy got shot and killed.
(12:57):
Somebody got mad, shot into a car, shot into the
back seat, when there's an eleven year old back there,
he killed him. Want to talk to you a little
bit about how to think about this stuff, because if
you haven't thought about it in advance, there's a high
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likelihood you'll screw it up. You won't do it right.
And the problem here is in the category of how
to do it right, it's not going to make you
feel good. It's not what you want to do, it's
not even what we think should happen. The category is
(13:38):
that how to do it right is you've got to
make peace with the fact that there are some people
out here who are stone cold crazy. Somebody could have
just gotten divorced, that could have just gotten sentenced to jail,
could have just found out he's eternal cancer, or just
be a complete loon. You don't know. Or there's some
(14:00):
people just getting mad because you passed them and they
don't want to be passed on the road. You'll run
their car into you. Let me describe what Clint Smith,
kind of the dean of Self Defense firem's instructors after
Colonel Jeff Cooper, who he worked with by the way
(14:21):
at Gunside, what Clint Smith said about that. He said, Yeah,
he says, you know, in a road rad situation, he says,
if if somebody's yelling at me outside of my car,
I'm not gonna do anything about that. I mean, if
you can, if you can drive away, drive away for
Havn's sakes. But if you're trapped, you can't get away.
(14:41):
He said. If they come beat on the hood of
my car, he says, still not gonna do anything. If
they come over start beating on my window, he said,
I'm going to slide over to the middle of the seat.
If I can, I'm going to get my gun in
my hands. But I'm not gonna shoot them. There's outside
the car. They don't represent a threat, he said. But
(15:05):
if they break out the window, and notice here mcnote
the windows are up. Don't roll down your window to
talk to somebody who's crazy. Shields up, keep your shiels up,
keep your windows up. But if he breaks out the
window and reaches in, he said, I'm gonna light him up.
(15:27):
So take that concept and run with that. If he
breaks out the window and reaches in, I'm gonna shoot him. Okay. Unfortunately,
what happens is God beats on your car and you're
gonna get out, and I'm gonna teach you a lesson.
I'm gonna whoop his butt. Okay, except he's got a
(15:50):
knife or a crowbar or a gun, and you got
out there because he beat on your car, which, by
the way, State Farm or all State will repair. It'll
cost you some inconvenience, but it's not gonna cost you
twenty years in jail, which it might if you get
out and shoot this guy. And if you get out
(16:12):
and you've got a gun and you're confronting him. You
might end up shooting him because he might decide, Yeah,
what are you gonna do about it? I'm gonna stick
this knife in your gut. And now you are at
a place where you have to shoot him, where you
would not have had to shoot him if you'd stayed
in your car or driven away. If he comes and
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beats in your car or runs into your car and
he starts to drive away, please don't get into a
high speed chase. I want to get his license plate number. No,
you're going to cause an accident. You're gonna get yourself
into trouble. Just stay where you are, call the police,
make your report. I told you work like this. It's
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not going to make you feel good. It's not what
you want to do. It's not what you think is justice.
It's not right, not fair. But it might keep you
out of prison, and it also might keep you from
getting killed. There was a young woman I used to
work with in the magazine World Beautiful, young woman in
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her twenties, and she was engaged to this real nice
guy and they were backing out of a driveway one day,
and this car was coming down the road and swerved
around him because he was backing out into the road
and his car honked at him, and her fiance flipped
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these guy's the bird. Well, the car stops, turned around
and two guys get out of the car. Well, he's
not going to be showed up in front of his fiance.
He gets out of the car. They beat him to
death with a crowbar in front of his fiance. He
(18:10):
got out of the car because he didn't want to
be embarrassed in front of his girlfriend. His fiance, they
beat him to death with a crowbar. I want you
to remember that story when you're thinking about, well, he
did this to me, he cut me off, he did
get over yourself. Okay, just food for thought, something for
(18:36):
you to process. There. Let's go to the line for
Tony's with us out on a vat. Hello, Tony, you're
on gun talk. What's on your mind, sir?
Speaker 11 (18:45):
Thank you. You're talking about owning a machine gun. Owning
a machine gun is great, it's fun, it's fantastic, But
it's a two edged sword. Every time I take my
Cold sixteen out to the range, if I put it
on single fire, you know, it's just like any other
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Colt M sixteen out there or AR fifteen, and nobody
pays attention to me. But as soon as I move
that selector switch up one or all the way over
to full, it's it's like everybody's kind of come over
and take a look at it and ask me fifteen
thousand questions.
Speaker 3 (19:26):
I can give it away free ice cream, man.
Speaker 11 (19:29):
A free ice cream one. It's one hundred degrees outside,
you know, and you know you gotta be nice to everybody,
and you got to say, you know, you know, you
answer as many questions you can't except one. Can I
shoot it? No, you can't, And you know, and that
(19:50):
comes with the territory, I guess. And so if I
go out with a friend or two in the morning,
the range opens up, I think seven point thirty, and
that's what time I try to make an apployment or
you know, get a slot in there. You know, nobody's
typically out there and I can shoot to my heart
(20:11):
content whatever I want to do. But if I go
out on a weekend, and you know, as soon as
I move that selector switch over, you know, my friend,
we're not we're not going out with you because.
Speaker 3 (20:28):
Because you're shooting. Just stop. Yeah, everybody comes over. Now
you're shooting stops and now you're answering questions. First question
everybody wants to know is that legal? Right that?
Speaker 11 (20:39):
And where did you get it? Where did you get it?
Speaker 3 (20:44):
You know? And for people who don't know, you can
buy machine guns. They are legal, they're expensive. I mean,
actually it was Johnny Durry many years ago. I said,
you know, if I was going to buy a machine gun, Johnny,
and maybe for investment purposes, question I get. He said,
get a full auto M sixteen, just like you got. Interesting.
I didn't take his advice, And now I look at
(21:05):
what I would have paid versus what it was self
for now and once again I make poor investments.
Speaker 11 (21:12):
Well, my class three person that I bought this from
has asked me three times do you want to sell
that back to me? And I say, well, respectfully.
Speaker 3 (21:23):
No, not yet.
Speaker 11 (21:24):
Anyway, you know, I wish I wish I would have
sold you another one instead of this one because this
one has some history with the government. Let me just
put it that way.
Speaker 3 (21:38):
Ah. Interesting, I love guns. I have some providence on that,
and I have some stories behind them. Look, thank you
for sharing that. And it is an interesting point. Yeah,
if you go to public range, you start shooting full auto.
People are going to be gravitating over to you. They're
going to know what you have. They said, what are
the A lot of questions and if you're serious about
your shooting, and the shooting stops, and you got to deal
with that. So it's an interesting point. It's one of
(22:00):
the reasons that a lot of the people I know
who have machine guns go to private ranges so they
have their own places and they do that as well. So,
but yeah, you can own a machine gun now. And
if maybe Tarnova's going to ever happen, but if we've
got a ruling to say, okay, the national fires, that
goes away because it was a tax law and there's
no more tax and you can now own machine guns.
(22:22):
Katie bar the door. Yeah, I'm gonna be first in line.
I'm gonna want one. I mean, I'm not gonna buy one.
I'm gonna buy more than one, because that's what I do.
You know, there are people who say, well, you know,
(22:42):
you guys just carry your hidden guns, not concealed. They
always want to make me hidden. You carry your hidden
guns because you just want to shoot somebody. It's such
a weird idea. It's like saying, you know, you have
a fire extinguisher because you really want to have a
(23:04):
fire But they would never say that because that would
be idiotic. It's just as idiotics say I have a
self defense gun because I want to shoot somebody. No,
I want to not shoot somebody, but I carry a
gun because I don't want them to shoot me. Oh oh,
oh oh news item. This one slipped out. Ruger did
(23:26):
not mean to let this out. They're usually really good
about being secret and quiet about their new products, and
sometimes we sign NDA's and I know about things we
can't talk about. But this one's out because it came
out in their quarterly report and they're talking about what's
(23:47):
coming up their financial report. Get right to it, Tom,
the Ruger is going to bring back the red label shotgun,
one of my favorite shotguns of all time. They're over
and under. They had it in twelve, twenty and twenty
eight gauge. I don't think they ever made it in
four ten. The twenty eight gauge was utterly delightful. The
(24:10):
twenty gage was great, The twelve gage was okay, But
I just like twenty and twenty eight gauges better. I
think they've handled better. My personal preference is if you're
going to get a twenty gauge or a twenty eight gage.
Get twenty eight inch barrels, thirty eight barrels if you
can get them. I don't know if they'll offer that,
But don't go with the twenty six inch barrels. Everybody says, yeah,
(24:30):
but it feels so light and it's quick, and yeah
it is. It's quick. It's quick to start and it's
quick to stop. And for a lot of folks, the
reason you miss flying targets is because you stop the muzzles,
you stop the barrels. You don't have your follow through
in your swing longer, heavier barrels to help you swing through.
So get twenty eight or thirty inch barrels if you can.
(24:52):
But I am delighted. I don't know when it's going
to happen, but I'm really really glad to hear that
Ruger is going to bring back the red label. That
is so cool. Good news. All right, let's go to
gym online. Two out of Saint Louis. Jim, thank you
for your patience. You're on the line here.
Speaker 8 (25:08):
Go ahead, Oh, thank you. Speaking of Rugers, I called
in about my SR seven six to two.
Speaker 3 (25:16):
Okay, I bought the.
Speaker 8 (25:19):
Last one on the shelf at Cabela's.
Speaker 3 (25:23):
So why did you go with three?
Speaker 5 (25:26):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (25:26):
Wait, do you already have a R fifteen's and five
five six?
Speaker 8 (25:31):
I don't own a five five six. I think of
them as the mouse guns. I hot deer and at
a hole typically fifty sixty yards, right, it probably would
be good enough, but then dim light and my old eyes,
and I want to take them and knock them down.
Speaker 3 (25:52):
So do you hunt deer with your AR ten rifle?
Speaker 8 (25:56):
Yes, that's why I bought it.
Speaker 3 (25:59):
Nice? How long have you had it?
Speaker 8 (26:01):
Oh? How long do they quit making them? They need
to bring those back if they want to revive a
good one. I agree, fourteen years ago probably?
Speaker 3 (26:13):
Oh wow, okay, so obviously you've taken you've taken some
deer with it?
Speaker 8 (26:17):
Then? Oh yeah, every year, at least one.
Speaker 3 (26:23):
There is something completely different about having a three to
eight in your AR in the AR ten platform, And
of course they are also chambering those for the six
five creed More and other calibers as well, but it's
primarily thought of as a three to eight rifle. Very cool. Well, look,
I appreciate the call, sir. Yeah, I like the art
at ten as well. I also like it that they're
(26:44):
making them lighter. I have one of the early sig
what was that seven sixteen? There was a heavy beast.
There was like nine or ten pounds. Great for shooting
off of rest or something like that. But if you
want to carry it around, it was a little lot.
Who's a lot to carry around. Well, let's go grab
Tony out of Carson City. He's online, one Tony, You're
(27:05):
on the air. What's up?
Speaker 12 (27:07):
Well, Hello, Tom?
Speaker 8 (27:08):
Thank you.
Speaker 5 (27:10):
You know, my question comes up about the suppressors in
the tax stamps. Okay, now that they're going away, what
I haven't heard anybody address yet is the existing suppressors
we have. Are we going to be required to carry
our tax stamps? Oh and show?
Speaker 12 (27:27):
You know?
Speaker 3 (27:30):
Yeah? You know. Yeah. I'll be honest with you. I
don't carry a tax stamp with my suppressor. I just
carry a photo of my paperwork on my phone. And
you know, I don't know if that's actually kosher, if
it's legal, I don't know. Tell you what I'm going
to do. I love your question though, because I don't
know the answer to that. Are they going to continue
the issues stamps but with no tax to be paid
(27:55):
on it, and if not, do you still have to
have the stamp or with your older suppressors. I'm going
to get somebody from the American Suppressor Association on here
in the next week or so. I'm going to ask
them the questions. So I don't know the answers, but
it's a really good question and weon'll get that out
as quick as we can. Okay, all right, well, thank you,
(28:18):
thank you. I appreciate that. Let's go ahead and get
in Bill before we hit our break here, line five
out of Idaho. Hey, Bill, Bill you there? Okay, Bill,
I want to get a sandwich. Hey, what, Let's take
our quick break here. I'm gonna come back. We'll round
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Speaker 3 (31:04):
Going to the phones. Chris is in Stockton, Colorado on three.
Hello Chris, what do you want to do here?
Speaker 5 (31:10):
Hi?
Speaker 8 (31:11):
Tom?
Speaker 14 (31:11):
Yeah, it's California. And what I would like to do
is I want to build an AR fifteen on the
on that platform, but I want to I don't want
to use five five six. I've been researching and it
looks like I can. My choices might be a six
millimeter six' Five grendel or six EIGHT. SPC i don't hand,
(31:33):
loads so i'd have to have factory, loads AND i
primarily target, shoot BUT i wouldn't But i'd also liked
the capability to hunt with. It So i'm kind of
wondering what your thoughts on those choices.
Speaker 3 (31:45):
ARE i would take a hard look at the six
millimeter arc ARC. M it's a newer one and it's
a really good, one AND i think it will do
everything you want and you can do a little you
know here that web searching and find out more about.
(32:05):
It BUT i think you may like what you. SEE i,
mean obviously there are a lot of different options. There
you got the grindle and you got some. Others BUT
i wish you to take a look at the six milimeter.
Speaker 14 (32:16):
Arc is THE ammo available for that or is that
still something kind of?
Speaker 3 (32:21):
New it Is i'm trying To i'm thinking that that's horned.
Damo i'd have to go back and. Chat i'm pretty
sure that. Is BUT i think that's the case, again
AND i don't have one or otherwise i'd have a
lot more information on. It i've just been reading about,
it BUT i would take a look at. That BUT
i think you can get FACTORY amo for. It but,
(32:41):
yeah take a.
Speaker 14 (32:42):
Look, okay all, right WELL i appreciate the thoughts and.
Speaker 3 (32:46):
Everything all, right Thanks, CHRIS i appreciate. That all, right
let's Grab charles out OF i think it's In. Minnesota, Hey,
charles your on gun talk red label talk to, me, yes, sir.
Speaker 15 (32:58):
Yes, YEAH i have A i have three red, LABELS
a twenty twelve and a twenty eight, gauge and the
twenty eight gauge CAME i got savage or excuse me
Ruger ad you could Put brell's inserts and it came
with different choke, tubes so you could turn a twenty
(33:20):
eight gauge into a four to ten.
Speaker 3 (33:22):
By using the.
Speaker 15 (33:23):
Tubes, yep and it went the whole length of the.
Speaker 3 (33:26):
Barrel oh, okay that's much much. Better fulling tubes work
really well and they add a little bit of. Weight
it really helps what you follow through on.
Speaker 15 (33:38):
Those, yes but you're talking about and you're talking about longer.
BARRELS i Have my twenty gauge is A i think
it's a twenty twenty six inch AND i could knock
the heck out of the pheasants with. Them and it's
a shorter, barrel but with seven and a half, shot,
BOY i could knock the heck out of pheasants with it.
Speaker 3 (34:00):
Well and the barrel link really doesn't have anything to
do with the power out there in terms of, range
thor anything. Else it's just a case of having a
little bit more, weight a little bit more siding, playing
which probably is particularly for spot. Shooting festinis probably didn't.
Matter so why did you go with the red. Label
there's a lot of different overn enders out.
Speaker 15 (34:19):
THERE i Just american made AND i first got the
twenty gauge, first and it didn't have choke, toobs but
it's my favorite. Shotgun and THEN i got a twelve
gauge after being a poor college student for three. Years
and THEN i had money burning a hole in my.
(34:41):
Pocket and THEN i bought a twenty eight, gauge and
then it's called. GOSH i hope they don't come up
with a four. Ten and Then ruger offered the barrels
insert they. Got the only THING i don't like about
the twenty eight gauge is it had a hard butt
stock hard butt plate on the.
Speaker 5 (35:01):
Back oh, okay not, Rubber.
Speaker 3 (35:03):
So did you replace? That kind of it's not a
big deal to put a rubber butt plate on there butt.
Speaker 15 (35:08):
PAD i haven't, yet BUT i. Will but and then one, Thing,
TOM i have listened to your program Every.
Speaker 5 (35:16):
Sunday oh, well thank.
Speaker 3 (35:18):
You i'm here Every sunday, Too what a.
Speaker 15 (35:20):
Coincidence tell my friends don't call me When i'm listening
to a gun.
Speaker 3 (35:26):
Talk, so, so all, right what's the barrel length on
your twenty eight?
Speaker 15 (35:30):
Gauge THAT'S i think that's a GOD i have looked.
At i'm guessing it's either a twenty eight or a.
Speaker 3 (35:39):
Thirty, yeah that that is such a sweet. GUN i
just love the feel of.
Speaker 15 (35:43):
Those AND i really like twenty eight. GAUGE i have
a a three trystar twenty eight, gauge and and that's
WHAT i use for shoot red squirrels when they tried
to get into the bird.
Speaker 11 (35:55):
Feeder so but.
Speaker 15 (35:58):
And one other, THING i JUST i broke down AND
i bought. MYSELF i went To savage and got a
one ten clim AND i went to the customs department
and got it in the six millimeter Creed.
Speaker 3 (36:12):
More oh, yeah and the sixth Creed more is really
making some, headwaves becoming considerably more. POPULAR i, mean basically
it does worth two forty three, does but it does
it with a higher, twist and you can use heavy
for caliber bullets and get longer range out of it
with low.
Speaker 15 (36:28):
Recoil, yes, yes so but excellent ALL i have to, Say,
Tom BUT i love listening to your program AND i
hope you stick her ound for a lot.
Speaker 3 (36:37):
Longer so thank, You. CHARLES i intend to you, know
we'll just see what The lord has the plan for,
us like all the rest of. Us but thank you
for that. Call let's, say we've got time to get building.
HERE i think we. Do Hey, bill let's let's pull
him on a line five out Of. Ida, bill thank
you for your. Patience so had to get you back in.
Speaker 12 (36:55):
Here you bet, WELL i LOST i don't know what it.
IS i lose contact out. Here Hey, TOM I i'm
going to listen to. You clear back to the very late.
NINETIES i lived out in the bush In, alaska.
Speaker 3 (37:08):
AND i got.
Speaker 12 (37:08):
YOU i think it was kV i on the.
Speaker 9 (37:10):
Radio.
Speaker 12 (37:10):
WOW i went in The marines WHEN i went through
boot camp in sixty eight and then had Some raine
for weapons. Qualifications we shot THE m FOURTEEN a. One
the troop panelers taught us something THAT i still. Use
i've used it all my. Life i've taught my, grandkids my,
buddies my buddies'. Grandkids it's called, brass, breathe, relax, aim, slack.
(37:34):
Squeeze AND i heard a little bit a while, ago
and then last week there was a GUY i tried
to get in and that. Works you take you, breathe you,
relax you take your, aim whether it's opener or. Scope
some weapons still have, slack and then squeeze it. Off
(37:56):
you put that word in your, head, breathe, relax, aims.
Squeeze it takes your mind off of AM i holding
the weapon? Right AM i pulling the trigger too?
Speaker 4 (38:06):
TIGHT i like.
Speaker 3 (38:09):
IT i had not heard that, before BUT i JUST
i love what that does for. You it allows you
to concentrate on what you need to do and quit
thinking about the wabble of the sights and quit thinking
about you, know what the scope is doing out. There
you start thinking about the manipulation of the, gun and
basically THAT i call it a. Press but, yeah squeeze
(38:30):
works just as well as long as you just thinking
about trigger. Manipulation. Bill thank you for. THAT i appreciate, that.
Sir good. INFORMATION i had not heard that. Before, man
maybe that's just a marine, Thing but there you. Go
there are a lot of ways to try to get
better at. Shooting here's a tip for. You i've talked
about it. Before it sounds, goofy but when you try,
it you're gonna go, wow that's. Cool with your, handgun
get all lined up on the bull's, eye everything set,
(38:52):
up finger on the, trigger start increasing the, pressure and
just before you, shoot close both eyes and impress the. Truck.
YEAH i know it sounds, stupid but try. It if
you close your, eyes you will get a good trigger.
Press when you open your, eyes the bullet's going to
be right in the center and you're going to Go
how did that? HAPPEN i can tell, you but it
doesn't really. Matter it just. Happens and what it tells
(39:14):
you is if you're working too, Hard hell, yeah and
you're yank and the. Trigger, well my dear season has.
ENDED i was out, yesterday had an actually a decent
chance at one three hundred, yards very, doable didn't take the,
(39:37):
shot had a chance at one a week earlier four
hundred and seventeen, yards didn't take the shot. Out i'll
fill in the blanks and tell you what happened on
those during the after. Show and if you want to
be part of the after, show give me a. Call
now we could talk then just give us give us
a holler eighty six to six talk. Gun But brandon
called in and we want to talk to. Him Hey,
brandon thanks for the.
Speaker 7 (39:55):
Call Hey, tom thank you so much for taking my.
CALL i just recently discovered your show on the iHeartRadio
app and SINCE i SINCE i heard, It, MAN i
got my notepad out. Here i'm writing. Down you know
gun models and, stuff and you're so you're so, Knowledgeable
BUT i just had a couple of questions on your
(40:16):
opinion of.
Speaker 8 (40:17):
A couple of models of.
Speaker 11 (40:18):
Ruder, okay go.
Speaker 7 (40:19):
AHEAD i took my concealed carry class back. Home it's
been twenty twenty with AN ec NINE s AND i
purchased a kin round extended magazine for. It the brand
is made By pro Mag the gun did. GREAT i shot.
WELL i was the only left handed die in my.
(40:40):
Class SO i would like your opinion on that, gun
Because i've heard you mentioned several rugers and the Other.
RUGER i bought it because it looked. SHINY i didn't
know much about. It it's AN sr NINE. Cep it
around the. House i've heard of a fire. SITUATION i
(41:01):
don't know much about, it BUT i just keep it
in a droller somewhere in the.
Speaker 3 (41:05):
House SO i think The. EAST i think THE sr
nine series was little understood in the great. SERIES i
love that. PISTOL i would shoot. THAT i would carry
that without a heart now think about. It just WOULDN'T
i love that? Thing? Now the E c NINE s is,
inexpensive and look if it worked for you and you
shoot it, well then that's. Fine that's all that matters
(41:27):
for concealed carry gun is does it work reliably and
can you shoot it? Well and if those things, work then,
YES i would buy another couple of magazines for, it
just to have, those just because you always want to
have more magazines and try to get out and shoot it.
Regularly by, REGULARLY i mean at least every two. Months
you got to go out and shoot that. Gun, okay,
okay but go out shoot shoot THAT sr nine while
(41:51):
you're AT i, mean that is a nice.
Speaker 6 (41:53):
PISTOL i loved.
Speaker 7 (41:55):
IT i like the you, know the difference between the two,
is you, know THE ec nine is just a single.
Stack and it was funny BECAUSE i wear this gun
all the. Time THE ec nine is my every day
And i've kept it in A houston leather holster AND
i heard you say.
Speaker 4 (42:11):
IT i.
Speaker 7 (42:12):
DON'T i can't think it's been a few days, ago
but are a few sundays. Ago, sorry you had mentioned
not to leave it in the leather holster all the.
Time Now i've got some surface rest on. It you
mentioned that it'll carry, moisture AND i was kind of
laughing at myself BECAUSE i THOUGHT i can't believe it was.
Speaker 8 (42:26):
So dumb, that you, KNOW i take it off all,
right AND i.
Speaker 7 (42:28):
Just throw, it throw it in the night, stand AND
i don't ever take it out of the. Holster but
you're totally.
Speaker 3 (42:32):
Right so, well what you do is make sure and
we'll take care of that once a. Week make it
part of your your. Program i'm part of your. Policy
once a. Week you got to clean that. Gun you
gotta take the amo out of, it even though all
you've done is just carry, it strip it, down wipe
it down with the. Oil you don't have to clean it
because there's no gunfire residue on, it but wipe it
(42:53):
down with a good rag with gun oil on, it
a gun, oil so this made for. That and then
put it back together and put it back in the. Whole,
sure you'll be. Fine it's leaving it in there without
any kind of protective treatment on it that causes the.
Problem but if you'll do that once a, week just unload,
it you, know wipe it all, down make sure it's
lube so it's gonna run like it's supposed. To you're
(43:13):
not gonna have a problem with. It, LOOK i got a.
SCOOT i appreciate the. Call and you've got a couple
of nice pistols. There but you have that RUGOR sr
nine AND sr NINE c first double. Sacks i'm aware of.
That we're only at one inch. THICK i loved how
thin they, were AND i like the way they. Shot
of course they've got new ones, now they've got a
lot of really nice. Pistols, god we have so many
(43:33):
things to choose. From tell me about your favorite, One
give me a. Call we'll talk about it on the
after show eight six six Talk. Gun in the, meantime
get out to the, range do more, shooting make up
Your christmas, lists maybe put a machine gun on. There,
hey we could, dream cant we could be. Fun have
yourself a great. Week i'm Talk. Gresham thanks for joining me.
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