June 4, 2025 • 42 mins
Ammunition Depot CEO Dan Wolgin sits down with Gun Talk Nation’s Ryan Gresham to discuss the benefits of buying your ammunition online, how Ammunition Depot is leading the charge for protecting ammo purchasing freedom, how (and when) to stock up on ammo, the new Rattlesnake Tactical 34-rd 9mm GLOCK pattern magazine, and much more.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
California passed the law number of years ago that came
into an effect that essentially prohibits Californian customers from purchasing
ammunition to be shipped directly to their homes. And there's
a background check requirement, among some other things that that
law did.
Speaker 2 (00:15):
When the governor at the time was touring the state.
Speaker 1 (00:18):
Kind of touting how great this bill was for Californians,
his security detail was denied.
Speaker 3 (00:27):
I'm Ryan Gresham and this this is guntog Nation. Guntognation
is brought to you by Winchester Supreme Optics, t sas
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first person Defender, Ruger Loopholed Range Ready, Black Hill's Ammunition
and Colt all Right, Welcome in to gun Talk Nation
today and Guntalk Nation. Let's talk about online Ammo. Let's
talk about how do you find Ammo, what do you
buy Ammo? And the guys behind it, and maybe we'll
(01:09):
pick up some secrets I don't know, some some pro
tips for you. Welcoming on the show today, Ammunition Depot
Dan Woolgin, Welcome in Man.
Speaker 2 (01:22):
Thanks for having me. So glad to be here.
Speaker 3 (01:25):
Dan. We were talking the other day and I was
just we've I think people probably know ammunition Depot because
it's one of the places when you're you're scrounging around
the internet for for Ramo, you always run across, you guys,
and uh, it seems like that's become one of the
ways people shop for RAMO these days, is buying it online.
Speaker 2 (01:50):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:50):
I mean, well, first, we certainly hope that people have
heard of us, but if they haven't, we hope that
they come they come check us out. You know, buying
everything online has become one of the ways that that
people go and kind of get what they need for
their lives.
Speaker 2 (02:05):
And so, you know, ammunition is no different.
Speaker 1 (02:09):
Of course, it's heavy, and so it is a little
bit different in that generally when you're coming to shop online,
you aren't going to come and buy one box of
fifty rounds or one box of twenty rounds of hollow point.
Speaker 2 (02:22):
And hip that.
Speaker 1 (02:25):
But as long as you're coming for a good assortment
of ammunition, you can build a nice a nice order.
Speaker 2 (02:31):
Then it's going to be a.
Speaker 1 (02:32):
Really cost effective way for customers to get the products
that they're looking for at a really competitive price and convenient.
Speaker 2 (02:38):
It's going to come right to your door.
Speaker 1 (02:40):
Or if you're buying a firearm, you know, right to
your your chosen gun shop to go and do a transfer.
So I'm sure it's a great way to well, you
have to be inside the United States, so that's right.
Speaker 3 (02:52):
Sorry, guys. I can help you, you know, I feel like.
Speaker 2 (02:56):
The reality and you can.
Speaker 1 (02:58):
You kind of can sell into California. You can buy
ammunition in California. It's just a bit of a complicated process.
We're doing everything we can to make that easier for
the Californian consumers. And I joke, but you know, our
American brothers and sisters in the state of California. So
we are a plaintiff in a lawsuit against the state
of California trying to kind of regain what we consider
(03:21):
Second Amendment rights constitutional rights Californians.
Speaker 2 (03:26):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (03:26):
Sure, So California passed the law number of years ago
that came into effect that essentially prohibits Californian customers from
purchasing ammunition to be shipped directly to their homes. There's
an import ban, and there's a background check requirement, amongst
some other things that that law did, which essentially forced
the Californian consumer to go into a physical brick and
(03:49):
mortar store to purchase ammunition and have a background check
done on them. Of course, no background check systems in
our nation are set up to handle the kind of
volume that would be required to background check every time
somebody wants to buy amo. In fact, there was a
really a really kind of funny anecdote when the governor
at the time was touring the state kind of touting
(04:10):
how great this bill was for Californians. His security detail
was denied when they tried to run.
Speaker 2 (04:15):
It back crund check.
Speaker 1 (04:15):
Now, so obviously you know, it didn't really work the
way that it was intended to work. So we're we're
doing everything that we can. We're we're playing upunt of lawsuit.
It's currently sitting with the Ninth Circuit, which, should we prevail,
which I certainly hope that we do, Californians will again
be able to purchase ammunition online and have it shipped
directly to their homes like.
Speaker 2 (04:34):
Yeah, you can, and basically the rest of the state, the.
Speaker 3 (04:37):
Country freedom maybe ye, well in the night.
Speaker 2 (04:39):
That's all.
Speaker 3 (04:40):
I'm kind of surprising lately because in the past we
called it the Ninth Circus Court of Appeals and nothing
positive for guns or gun rights could get out of
that freaking court. And in the last I don't know,
two three four years, you've had some some decisions go
a surprising way that was kind of pro free, pro gun,
(05:00):
which has been good.
Speaker 2 (05:02):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (05:03):
So over the last I don't know, let's say, decade,
there's been a number of judges appointed to that court
who have more reasonable views in my opinion, right, but
I suppose you could call them more conservative views, particularly
with respect to gun rights. And as a result, when
you go and challenge these courts with a case, you
(05:24):
kind of get randomly assigned the judges and it starts
with three judges. Obviously, our legal systems are complicated, so
it can go a couple of different ways from there,
but it starts with three judges, and it can be
a little bit of the luck of the draw. So
sometimes we get lucky, sometimes we don't.
Speaker 3 (05:44):
Is there anything that people listening to this need to do,
because sometimes when we talk about court cases, you know,
I guess it's not necessarily a right into your senators thing,
but maybe just keep an eye on it or support
it in some way.
Speaker 2 (05:57):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (05:57):
So, the California Rifle and Pistol Associate and the NRA
are really the entities that are supporting this this fight.
And so if you're so inclined, then you like what
it is these entities do. Their nonprofit entities, they need
your support monetarily. It's also never a bad idea to
write your congress people, your senators, and your congress people.
Speaker 2 (06:19):
Let them know what you think.
Speaker 1 (06:21):
Maybe to a lesser extent other people's congress people, but
at the end of the day, all of those elected
representatives are supposed to be representing the people as a whole.
Speaker 2 (06:30):
They have their constituents, but they.
Speaker 1 (06:32):
Should be thinking about what's best and what's desired by
the people as a whole. So make your voices heard.
That's I think really the most important part. Make them
heard by voting, make them heard by spending your dollars,
by donating your dollars, and you know more traditionally, by
just actually getting your voice out there in a written
or or verbal form. You can call your the offices
of your of your congress people and senators as well.
Speaker 2 (06:54):
I mean, and do it on the state level.
Speaker 3 (06:55):
Too, Yeah, I mean absolutely, And we've said it for
years that I mean, so easy for people in other
places to say, oh whatever, California that place is a mess.
Why don't you just move whatever. But you don't want
nonsense California laws to become law. You don't want them
to spread. And they absolutely spread. I mean, it spreads
(07:16):
to Oregon and Washington. It spreads in Arizona. Believe it
or not. You have a lot of Californians there. You
have a lot of Californians. Move into Utah and Idaho
and all these places, and hell even like Texas. I
mean there's you don't want that stuff to gain a
foothold in the idea of these politicians who are I
(07:38):
mean half of them are maybe great, and half of
them or not, but they're kind of puppets and they're
kind of going, well, that's a neat idea, let's try that.
Speaker 2 (07:46):
Yeah, there's this concept also of like form legislation.
Speaker 1 (07:50):
So California put something together and they managed to get
it through and there's maybe a challenge in this through
to the state constitutional court and it's upheld politicians in
another states see, Okay.
Speaker 2 (08:02):
They already did the hard work. Let's grab that and
we'll see if we can't get that, we can't get
that approved here.
Speaker 1 (08:07):
So that's definitely, you know, one way And it's funny
you talk about people moving. I live in Florida, and
we've had a huge influx of people really in the
last five years since COVID moving into the state, and
one of the concerns has been are they going to
bring their politics with them? So you have a lot
of people coming down from the northeast, New York, New Jersey, Pennsylvania,
which are certainly more liberal areas than Florida.
Speaker 2 (08:31):
Isn't in in.
Speaker 1 (08:32):
Certain you know, certain areas of the of society, And
so far we haven't seen it. So, you know, I
don't know if that's a trend nationally, but it's always
a concern. You say, hey, you know, Californians, why don't
you just move? Well, I don't know which one. Somebody
voted for those policies. So if they come, they come
to your backyard and start voting for those policies again,
(08:53):
that's that's not such.
Speaker 2 (08:53):
A good thing. So and everybody thinks, I don't want
them to leave.
Speaker 1 (08:56):
I want I want it to be better for Californians
in California, you know, and Chicagoan's in Chicago and New
Yorkers in New York, among other places.
Speaker 3 (09:05):
Yeah, yeah, And everybody thinks they're in the center. They
always think that, like, I'm a little bit right of center.
Speaker 2 (09:10):
I'm a little bit.
Speaker 3 (09:12):
I'm very very close to just right in the middle.
I'm very very level headed. Except that, yeah, when you
when you're surrounded by a certain mindset in San Francisco,
you don't realize that maybe you're not in the center
of whatever the average or the mean average or whatever
it is.
Speaker 2 (09:27):
I forgot, I don't.
Speaker 3 (09:30):
Know mean median.
Speaker 2 (09:32):
We don't need that. It's true.
Speaker 1 (09:34):
On the other side, though, you know, I think the
important thing is having an open mind, trying to listen,
actually listen to two people.
Speaker 2 (09:42):
Because we can fight with each.
Speaker 1 (09:44):
Other all we want, but unless we can really understand
the route behind the fight. On the other side, we
can't really find a compromise that that's going to work
for everybody, that's going to make everybody happy or equally unhappy.
Let's say, yeah, because that's really what compromises up being.
But yeah, it's important to I think, to try to
(10:04):
not necessarily sympathize with other people's positions, but just understand them. Generally,
those positions come with some amount of logic behind them.
Speaker 2 (10:13):
Sometimes they don't, but you know, one way or another.
Speaker 1 (10:16):
Try to understand where they're coming from so that you
can effectively explain why maybe that's not the best position.
Speaker 3 (10:22):
Yeah, well, I'm glad you guys will get involved in
that stuff. Hey, we're going to talk with Dan about
shopping for m O online.
Speaker 2 (10:31):
And he's going to tell forgot to do that.
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So Dan, people went absolutely bonkers buying ammunition online. And
(13:08):
I would say we because I was probably in there
as well. We all went bonkers, and you know, twenty
twenty one, twenty two, and people, I think, if they
hadn't done it already, they figured out like, oh, this
is a way to buy AMMO, and then they start
shopping around and you're in everybody lists like the cost
(13:28):
per round and all this stuff. But you're a guy
who runs one of these sites. I mean, I kind
of set you up, But I mean I don't know.
I mean, if there are any tips and tricks or
things like what are you noticing these days with amima?
Because it's it's not as scarce as it was, right,
I mean, it's more available.
Speaker 2 (13:49):
Now, certainly not right now.
Speaker 1 (13:50):
Yeah, I'd start with saying it's a great time to
buy AMMA, meaning prices are about as low as I've
seen them. I don't expect them to get any lower.
We are as close to pre pandemic pricing as I
think we're ever going to get. There was obviously a
lot of inflation over the last five years. Makes it
kind of hard. These things are mostly commodity metals. It
makes it kind of hard to get back down to
(14:12):
the prices that we were at before. So it's a
great time to buy AMMO. Is you know the first
thing that I would say, as far as you know secrets,
you said tips, tricks, secrets. Buying AMMO firearms accessories online
is really no different than buying any other valuable, important
(14:34):
to you thing online, And so from my perspective, price
is important, it needs to be competitive, But customer service
and knowing that that company is going to be there
to stand behind the product the experience if you need it,
is I think equally, if not more important, and so
(14:54):
that's something that we've really strived for at Ammunition Depot.
We have among the highest customer service rates in the industry.
In fact, I think the highest, but I suppose I
can't say that definitively. But if you go and look
online Better Business Bureau, Trust Pilot, Google, you know these
kinds of things. We've ratings at five four point nine.
I don't know if we have a five anywhere, four
(15:15):
point eight, four point ninety five. We track this internally
something called an NPS, and we don't need to get
too deep into it, but the best score you can
get on an NPS is one hundred, and the worst
score you can get as a negative one hundred.
Speaker 2 (15:26):
We consistently maintain a score between ninety and one hundred.
Speaker 1 (15:29):
Wow, which is unheard of for companies, let alone companies
in our space, just companies. It's very difficult to find
any company out there that's tracking NPS that has won
that high. So it's really important for us. We try
to put the customer first. Obviously, I also have to
make money, so you know, we're not giving moway but
(15:50):
very very competitive pricing, competitive shipping costs.
Speaker 2 (15:53):
Sometimes there'll be opportunities for free.
Speaker 1 (15:55):
Shipping or special promotions things like that, but we just
keep it as tight as we can so that we
can serve our customers for the long haul.
Speaker 2 (16:03):
We want to be here for one hundred years doing
what we're doing.
Speaker 3 (16:05):
That makes a big difference when somebody has kind of
a long term view because I think that you end
up treating people the right way. You do things the
right way because you're not chasing the week, the month,
the quarter, whatever it may be, because you're trying to
do it the right way. Yeah. I mean, I guess
when we talk about shopping online a lot of times
with the Ammo, a lot of times people are thinking
about the bulk purchasing of Ammo. And one of the
(16:28):
things I've noticed over the years, if you do this
long enough, it's like, if you're a consumer of Ammo,
like you you really shoot a lot. You shoot a
lot of nine, you shoot a lot of two, two, three,
whatever it may be, you really can dollar cost average
this thing, whether it's every month or every couple months
or whatever. You know, buy it when it's cheap, because
(16:49):
everybody runs out when things become scarce and the costs
are higher. But if you're kind of like just buying
all the time a little bit at a time, I mean,
and I say a little bit. Ryan's version of a
little bit is like maybe five hundred to one thousand rounds.
Speaker 2 (17:03):
Five hundred rounds, a thousand rounds. Yeah, I would agree.
Speaker 1 (17:06):
If you're if you're gonna buy at least five hundred rounds,
you're gonna be able to do it cost effectively online.
Speaker 2 (17:11):
And if you have the.
Speaker 1 (17:12):
Space, I would agree, you know, buy every so often,
a little bit more than you think you.
Speaker 2 (17:16):
Need, put it away.
Speaker 1 (17:18):
We're working on some things to help people even if
they don't have the space, and some stuff like that.
So hopefully in a couple of months I can come
back and tell you about some neat stuff that we're doing.
Not not really ready to throw that out there yet,
but yeah, I mean, prices are low, and the best
thing that you can do to protect yourself and all
(17:40):
of us really against those price spikes that happen is
don't panic buy.
Speaker 2 (17:45):
And how do you not panic by by before you panic.
Speaker 3 (17:48):
Pre panic buy?
Speaker 2 (17:49):
Yes, exactly, exactly.
Speaker 3 (17:52):
Well, so you guys also make your own AMMO. You're
loading Ammo, isn't that right?
Speaker 1 (17:59):
Yeah, So we obviously sell everybody's Ammo, and we work
with all of the major manufacturers in the United States
and most of the major manufacturers globally.
Speaker 2 (18:08):
But we also manufacture AMMO ourselves.
Speaker 1 (18:10):
And we do that not because we're trying to become
the biggest AMUM manufacturer and compete with Winchester Federal or whatever,
but really just so that when things do go crazy,
we can make sure that we have AMMO for our customers,
because there's been times over the last couple of years
we couldn't buy any AMMO. Yeah, at any price, didn't
matter what I was willing to pay for it. I
(18:32):
couldn't get AMMO in the door to service my customers.
And so knowing that I have an alternative source through
manufacturing of ammunition ourselves.
Speaker 2 (18:41):
Is really really valuable for really our customer base.
Speaker 3 (18:44):
What do you think about remanufactured AMO? Is that a
good buy? Or is like because there're probably listeners who say,
I don't know if I want to shoot that through
my gun or whatever. I mean, what is remanufacturer? I mean,
I know what it is, but like what would be
the definition of and what is it not?
Speaker 1 (19:01):
Yeah, so ammunition for handguns, rifles, your shotguns a little
bit different, but let's just stick in kind of the
handgun space because it's the simplest, no necked cartridge and
stuff like that.
Speaker 2 (19:11):
It's a brass cartridge.
Speaker 1 (19:13):
When you shoot it, that brass expands and so it's
no longer kind of inspect it's not the same shape
it was before you shot it. So you can take
that cartridge called a spent cartridge, you can remanufacture it,
meaning get it back into tolerances. You clean it, you
remove the spent primer, you shape it back into the
right size, You put it in a new primer, you
put in fresh powder, you put in obviously a new projectile,
(19:34):
and now I've got a round of ammunition that was
cheaper to produce because you didn't have to buy a
new cartridge. Instead, you did all of this work to
make the old cartridge kind of let's.
Speaker 2 (19:44):
Say, like new again. So it's usually actually do that
quite a few times.
Speaker 3 (19:47):
It's usually made from like once fired brass, right.
Speaker 1 (19:49):
Once fired we call it ones fired brass. But you
can actually reload a cartridge. There's no exact number, but
it could be even like ten times before you start
splitting that cartridge as you're trying to reform it. But yeah,
once fired brass mostly comes from ranges, your range that
you go to. If you're not picking up your brass,
they're picking up your brass.
Speaker 3 (20:07):
And they're selling it.
Speaker 2 (20:08):
They're selling it. Yeah, so is it a good thing?
You know, I think it's good.
Speaker 1 (20:13):
It makes a good, cost effective option for people who
shoot a lot. If you have extremely tight tolerance firearm,
maybe you don't want to use reman. If you spent
three thousand dollars on a Titanium nineteen eleven, you should
probably pay up for some you know, some nice around.
Speaker 2 (20:32):
If you're gonna.
Speaker 3 (20:33):
Drive a car that costs six figures, don't put regular
unleaded gas in it.
Speaker 2 (20:38):
Come on, yeah, same, same idea. Same.
Speaker 1 (20:40):
You're not gonna put the bargain bin tires on that
vehicle either. So, but if you're I don't want to.
I don't want to fan any of our you know,
our brand partners that we work with. But you know,
if you've got a high point, you know, a porous
three C or like lock, I mean.
Speaker 2 (20:54):
It'll eat anything.
Speaker 3 (20:55):
Yeah, exactly, you're.
Speaker 2 (20:57):
Shooting a lot, you're putting holes in pay Yeah, go
for it, Yeah, go for it. It's a great way
to say.
Speaker 3 (21:04):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (21:04):
But you guys, I mean, if we sell.
Speaker 1 (21:07):
Match AMMO also self defense AMO, you know, magazines, cleaning
all the stuff that.
Speaker 2 (21:12):
You would need to enjoy the shooting sports.
Speaker 3 (21:14):
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you were like, oh, okay, they sell AMMO, but they
also sell gun parts and guns and optics and magazines
and you make your own AMMO. But you're making some
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other brands that you guys are doing. And I teased
it before the break you've got a new thing that
you told me about. And I was like, wait a minute,
what tell me more.
Speaker 1 (24:48):
Yeah, So we partnered with a company called Rattles like
Tactical to make this magazine. It's you know, but for
the spring and all Pollmer magazine, which is much like
you've seen before. There's there's many brands on the market
with something like this. This is a double stack N
nine milimeter magazine which is made for the glock platform,
so it's going to fit any double stack nine milimeter
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block or firearm that accepts magazines for double stack nine
milimeter block.
Speaker 2 (25:15):
What's neat about this? It's thirty four rounds.
Speaker 1 (25:18):
I was able to squeeze thirty five in after the
spring relaxed, but thirty four rounds. Call it thirty four.
Packaging says thirty four. A couple of neat things. Number
one lifetime warranty, so Rattle Sick Tactical. Anything happens, accidental damage,
you drop it at the range and it breaks or whatever,
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they'll replace it for you. So I think that's very
very cool. The other thing, and we push real hard
on this is the cost. We've kept the cost way
way down on this, so the MSRP is nineteen ninety nine,
which is in line with MSRPs on a lot of
other stuff. We have partnered with Rattlesick Tactical for the
exclusive rollout, so for some period of time we've all
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of the production capacity of Rattlesnake Tactical for this magazine.
For that rollout, we are pricing it as low as
they will let us.
Speaker 3 (26:08):
How low is that as we end.
Speaker 1 (26:09):
Well, as we sell more and more, we have to
move the price up towards you know where it's going
to be eventually. Unfortunately, the first three thousand of these
already went out the door, and we were only allowed
to sell three thousand at a cost of four ninety nine,
and currently they are at five ninety nine, and I
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don't know how long that price will last. Eventually, I
would expect to see this product in the market somewhere
closer to the ten dollars price point. But for as
just as long as Rattlesnake will let me keep buying
them and selling them at that price, we will keep
doing it. So we're going to keep the price as
low as we possibly can. But you compare that to
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the other stuff in the market, and it's less.
Speaker 2 (26:54):
It's a significant amount less.
Speaker 1 (26:56):
And so you know you want to throw three or
four ten of these in your range bag or and
you're safe or whatever, you can really do that without
without breaking the bank.
Speaker 3 (27:04):
So that is such a big deal because I mean,
in me in the PCC world especially, I mean, perfect
magazines can be expensive and everybody wants to extendo that's
what they call it on the streets, the extendos, those
those high capacity mags. And what's crazy is yeah, I
mean for my like nine millimary PCC stuff, I mean,
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I have five, six, ten of those types of mags
and I'll load them all up before I go to
the range, just to save time, because that's it's.
Speaker 2 (27:37):
So much better. Nobody likes loading.
Speaker 3 (27:39):
Bags rounds, you know, and to be able to do
that for six dollars per mag. Now, before you guys,
we are going to have we're gonna drop a link
into the description of this that'll take you over there
and uh so you don't have to go searching. But
Rattlesnake Tactical thirty four round nine milimeters magazine designed for
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block patterns, which obviously works for blocks, but there's a
lot of guns that use block pattern magazines too.
Speaker 2 (28:08):
Yes, yep.
Speaker 1 (28:09):
Now the other real cool thing about it, I will
throw this out there real quick. Together with Rattlesneak, we
tested this and we had a third party test this also,
and it outperforms the similar magazines on the market. So
the other polymer magazines on the market, they all perform
similarly on a drop test. From a durability perspective, they're
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all the same. But the failure rate, which is failure
to feed mostly on this magazine was about a tenth
one tenth of the failure rate on similar magazines.
Speaker 2 (28:43):
How do you achieve it's way way.
Speaker 3 (28:45):
More in the follower and the feed lips or what
is it that kind of makes it more liable.
Speaker 1 (28:50):
Yeah, there's a lot of engineering that goes into these mags.
They seem like they're all the same and they seem
like it's an easy, simple thing, but in reality, there's
a lot of engineering there on the inside of this
magazine tube, on the follower spring that's used on the
tilt and can't of the follower, and the top of
the spring itself, the geometry of the follower, So there's
a lot.
Speaker 2 (29:09):
That goes into it.
Speaker 1 (29:10):
And these guys just did a great job making a
magazine that is cheap and reliable and designed, manufactured, packaged, conceived,
sold entirely in the United States of America. So no
parts of this magazine that's a good party coming from overseas.
Speaker 3 (29:26):
Yeah, I'm sure that people would assume to get to
that cost, it would have to be shipped in.
Speaker 2 (29:31):
Yeah, but it's not.
Speaker 3 (29:33):
What are what are other questions that people ask about this,
because it's like automatically, when something is a surprise, the
cost is a surprisingly lower than what they think. They go, Okay,
well is it any good? What's the construction of it?
You know? What other things would they want to know?
Speaker 2 (29:53):
Usually you nailed it. It goes right to.
Speaker 1 (29:56):
Like, well, it must be a piece of junk, right,
If it's that cheap, it's got to be a piece
of junk. Uh, you know, And it's not, which is
why we wanted to make sure that not only did
we test this before we wanted to sell it to
our consumers, but we had a third party test this
as well against the big names.
Speaker 2 (30:12):
In the market. You know, kind of be nice and
not name them.
Speaker 1 (30:15):
Here, but the bigger names in the market who your listeners,
my customers might have some of their magazines certainly have
used them before, and the whole the market is very
very happy with those magazines, happy with the price point
they're they're buying them up like crazy, and so we
tested it against those to make sure that it was
going to perform at least as well. Our hope was
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that it was just as good. We're if it's as
good but cheaper, we're happy to bring that to our customers.
We think they're going to love it. In reality ended
up being better and cheaper. So that's that's the biggest
question that we've gotten so far and that I expect
to get, is Oh, it's a piece of junk. People say,
you're gonna have to replace the spring, it's going to
have all these failures.
Speaker 2 (30:57):
It's it just doesn't seem to be true.
Speaker 3 (30:59):
Yeah, what what kind of guns did you test it?
Speaker 2 (31:02):
Then?
Speaker 1 (31:04):
So for the third party testing, we use the Glock line,
so seventeens, nineteens, and forty six I think, you know,
the mini. We've also tested it in a number of pccs,
and later this week I'm going to go myself and
test this in a new stribog that I got, which
is going to be going to be really fun. But yeah,
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we've tested in a couple of different pccs and you know,
basically the most popular firearms in the in the glock line.
We made sure we're using the same firearm to test
the different magazine so that it's not you know, we
don't have something to do with with the gun. We
put the dirty old the dirty old one that we
didn't clean on the competitors or.
Speaker 2 (31:44):
Something like that. You know, that's that's certainly not the case.
We used clean ones, dirty ones, you know, and everything
in between we put.
Speaker 1 (31:51):
I think the minimum we put through a magazine was
five hundred rounds, but we put much more than that
through some and again to test durability. Reliability needs to
be there for the long term, so we tested everything
we could think of. The only thing it failed on,
which all the magazines failed on, was a drop test
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from three feet fully loaded on the feed lips. So
you drop it like this straight on the concrete from
the feed lips, and all of the magazines end up
splitting right here down the middle of the magazine tube.
If that's a concern for you, go get a metal
lined bag.
Speaker 2 (32:28):
It won't do that.
Speaker 1 (32:29):
We offer those as well, you know, Glock makes a
thirty three round metaline magazine. I think maybe CACI makes
one as well, if if you're interested in saving a
little bit, yeah, and don't mind not having the Glock name.
But other than that, they perform really well. And again
they all failed in the same way on that same test.
So that seemed like something that, you know, probably not
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going to be able to get around with this type
of construction, and at that price point. Comparatively, it seemed
like a great deal and something I wanted to be
able to offer to our customers.
Speaker 3 (33:00):
That's cool, Well, thanks for telling us that, because that's
I mean, it's it's probably I'm not trying to defend it,
but it's kind of an unlikely scenario. But you're right,
like if if you're going for hard use, duty use
type of thing, there are other options that you might consider.
Speaker 2 (33:15):
Yeah, right, yeah.
Speaker 1 (33:17):
I mean, for sure, if you're going for duty use
four or five six dollars mags, probably not the right
mag right, I mean, look, it'll work, but still, when
you're trusting your life, I trust Block. So sure, you know,
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buy one Block thirty three round magazine and nine of these.
Speaker 2 (33:41):
Yeah, and you'll be set, you know. But there's certainly
other options out there.
Speaker 3 (33:48):
Rattle snake, tactical cool, Okay, day, what do you see
coming up in the future for what do the tea
leaves say for people? I guess just maybe products that
you're seen, you know, trends you're seeing, or or what
should the listeners be looking for?
Speaker 1 (34:06):
Sure, if I could read the tea leaves, I don't
think we'd be sitting here.
Speaker 2 (34:09):
But I'll do my best, my best shot at it.
There's some trends that have been happening for a long time,
which I don't think I'm gonna be a surprise to anybody.
Forty is dying.
Speaker 1 (34:19):
It seems to be. What I think is interesting is
that demand in the market for two, two, three, five,
five six is way down, way way down. Demand for
ars seems way down as well. Yeah, I don't think
that platform is dying. That is not what I mean
to say here. We've got I don't know, thirty forty
million ars out in people's hopefully safe and gunlockers out
(34:42):
in this country, and I don't think there's a going
on ay where it's a phenomenal platform. I love it
just as much as everybody else does, but for whatever reason,
maybe it's because people are hurting and don't have the
cash to spend and two, two, three, five, five, six
rounds are expensive. The portion that we see of sales
in two to three for sales in nine millimeter has
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really shifted over the last.
Speaker 2 (35:07):
Year or so much much more heavily to nine milimeter.
Speaker 3 (35:10):
You think on that side, shooting to shooting nine, then.
Speaker 2 (35:14):
That's what I think.
Speaker 1 (35:15):
I suspect that it's it's a little bit more cost
effective to go and shoot nine.
Speaker 2 (35:21):
And so if you're shooting for fun, not really.
Speaker 1 (35:24):
Training, you're you're shooting nine. It has the kind of feedback,
the profile that you want, the recoil profile that you want.
Speaker 2 (35:33):
Me twenty two is fun, but it's a whole different animal.
Speaker 3 (35:35):
I'm going to ask, are you what are you seeen
in twenty two? Is that gain and popularity if people
are looking for a cheaper way to shoot?
Speaker 2 (35:41):
Yeah, so not as much as I've seen it in
the past.
Speaker 1 (35:45):
And part of that is that comparatively, twenty two isn't
as cheap as it used to be.
Speaker 2 (35:49):
So we used to be able to offer.
Speaker 1 (35:51):
Twenty two for five cents around all day long, and
it's gotten really hard to maintain that price point.
Speaker 2 (35:55):
We're able to hit it sometimes, but most of the
time we just.
Speaker 1 (35:59):
Can't get it that low, you know, and keep the
doors open because I have to keep the doors open. So,
you know, we've seen a big shift to nine and
I think from the perspective of like self defense, home defense,
and again this is not really news for anybody, but
nine is winning the handgun wars there for sure. There's
a lot of nineteen eleven lovers and forty five ACPCE
(36:21):
still really popular.
Speaker 2 (36:23):
Three eighty has.
Speaker 1 (36:23):
Gotten less and less popular in my opinion. I think
the reason for that is that you've seen stuff come
out like the P through sixty five, like the G
forty three, where you've got a slim, small profile maybe
ten seven to ten rounds of nine millimeter.
Speaker 2 (36:39):
It's so small the savings that you get.
Speaker 1 (36:41):
Another quarter of an inch or something by moving to
the three eighty instead just not worth it. So the
gun manufacturers has done a great job with their technology
to kind of you don't need three eighty anymore.
Speaker 2 (36:54):
I still have some.
Speaker 1 (36:54):
I love three eighty also, I think it's a great caliber,
great platform, and I've got a couple of them. P
two thirty eight is a great carry gun. And uh,
you know, if you if you absolutely are having trouble
carrying and you need to throw something in your pocket.
Speaker 2 (37:10):
I haven't found anything smaller than LCP yeah out there
well on the market, right.
Speaker 3 (37:14):
The only difference between a three eighty and the nine
is a little bit of length, so it doesn't really
give you more capacity. So yeah, it's a good point,
Like a P three is twenty five and they have.
Speaker 2 (37:24):
That it's a little bit shorter, and that's kind of
it would just.
Speaker 3 (37:27):
Yeah, you could have the grip be shorter front to
back slightly, but I mean, it's not changing the capacity
of the gun. And I think that, I mean, for
most people, the shoot ability is not that much of
a difference either between nine and three eighty.
Speaker 1 (37:43):
Honestly, if anything, three eight is a little bit worse.
Some of those firearms are so small it's hard to
get a good grip on it. And then you go
and modifying the grip or putting in a you know,
an extension plate so that you really get purchased with
your pinky, and now it's not small anymore. Anyway, I
don't even I can't even exact.
Speaker 2 (38:05):
I don't have to do it anymore.
Speaker 1 (38:07):
You know, I really like the P sixty five as
a as a platform, so does America. I think it's
the most popular until carry gun still for the last
couple of years. And you know, ten rounds nine millimeter
or ten plus one, it's great. I love the SAS version.
If you haven't checked it out, it's kind of kind
of cool, kind of neat the s AS sig Anti
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Stang that kind of took all the little things sticking
off the sights and everything.
Speaker 3 (38:32):
Fired up talking about that damn gun. People are firecrack.
That's a grenade into a barroom, dude.
Speaker 2 (38:40):
So like, sorry, guys, it's so.
Speaker 3 (38:42):
Funny though, because you if you say, let me explain
the sees or if you if you've seen it, you know,
but it's like, well doesn't have traditional sites and there
are so weird. So people that flip out like that's ridiculous.
Now most of those people haven't shot it, who say
it's ridiculous because it's different, but it's actually not ridiculous
because we've shot it, we've filmed with it, We've had
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Phil Straighter, who had a part in inventing this thing
down here shooting it. And it is really it really works,
and that's what everybody on the range from there going,
I'll be damned like that really works.
Speaker 2 (39:19):
It's cool.
Speaker 1 (39:20):
For those of you who don't know, it has this thing,
I think it's called the bullseye target, But instead of
having your traditional dovetail sites embedded in the slide, is
this little piece of plastic that's properly aligned at the
factory with an open circle and a dot, and you
align the dot within the open circle, and that gives
you your site picture so that.
Speaker 2 (39:38):
You then you know know that you're going to hit
your target. For the reality is my understanding.
Speaker 1 (39:43):
Luckily, I've never been in a situation where I had
to use a firearm to defend myself, but my understanding
from talking to people who have, especially law enforcement officers.
Speaker 2 (39:52):
When that happens, it's nothing like your training.
Speaker 1 (39:56):
You lose accuracy on the order of ten So if
you're one M shooter, now you're a ten moa shooter
and you're not spending time thinking like, okay, let me
line up my sites and get a good site picture
or whatever. So training obviously is really important, and from
that perspective, it's just about muscle memory with that site picture.
Speaker 2 (40:14):
So for me.
Speaker 1 (40:15):
I've got good indicators when I am slowing down in
training to make sure that I'm going to hit what
I'm aiming at. And should I unfortunately ever find myself
in a situation where I need to defend myself.
Speaker 2 (40:26):
I have that muscle memory.
Speaker 1 (40:28):
I have that practice, and I'm going to be able to,
you know, bring that weapon on target and site picture
and muscle memory going to take over.
Speaker 2 (40:34):
So yeah, it's cool. You should. You should take a
look at it.
Speaker 1 (40:37):
It's not for everybody, but take a look at it,
and it's at least different and neat.
Speaker 3 (40:41):
It is different and neat. But I mean we have
not like I don't have thousands and thousands of rounds,
but the shooting and the filming we've done with it,
it really worked. We were surprised by it. Like anything,
you got to practice with it. You got to like,
if you're switching, you're adding a red dot to your
pistol and you never shot a red dot, you better
practice or eat. It's not what you should.
Speaker 2 (41:01):
Add as an aside. You should add a red dot
to your pistol because it's awesome.
Speaker 3 (41:05):
Yeah, I mean, but like if you're not used to it, yeah,
you're gonna be probably slower because you're not used to
using it and what that site picture looks like. But yeah,
that's a fun one, Dan, This has been great, man. Okay,
so I gotta I'll remind them this thirty four round
block bag from Roustaking Tactical. They can find it on
your website, but we'll put a link in the descriptions.
(41:25):
You guys can find it easy and very cool. I
mean a six dollars extendo mag that's I.
Speaker 1 (41:34):
Hope we can keep it at six for a long time.
You know, we'll see, but man, yeah, I mean even
at ten bucks. It's a phenomenal price point, so it'll
be uh, we'll keep it as low as we can
for as long as we can.
Speaker 2 (41:46):
But man, it's a killer deal.
Speaker 3 (41:49):
The lifetime guarantee that's from you guys.
Speaker 2 (41:52):
Rattlesick Tactical offers a lifetime guarantee.
Speaker 1 (41:55):
Now, what we do, which is a little bit different,
is anything you purchase from us.
Speaker 2 (41:58):
If you ever have an issue with it, call us.
We've got relationships with all of these guys.
Speaker 1 (42:03):
You don't need to try to weave your way through
their you know, returns or warranties or whatever.
Speaker 2 (42:09):
If you bought it from us, call us.
Speaker 1 (42:11):
We're going to help you through the process, that's whomever
it is, you know, and make sure that you get
the outcome that you kind of deserve, right, make sure
that the warranty is honored from the company and that
kind of stuff.
Speaker 2 (42:23):
We have some other products and that also offers something.
Speaker 1 (42:25):
Called anmly shield h We can extend things that don't
have a lifetime warranty into a lifetime warranty. So if
you do come and buy stuff from us, you have
that option to turn a one or two or three
year warranty into a lifetime warranty. But either way, if
you bought it from me, give us a call if
you ever have a problem, We're going to take care
of you.
Speaker 3 (42:42):
Awesome, all right, Dan, Thanks Ammunition Depot. You guys check
go check them out, and we will see you all
next time on gun Dog Nation.
California passed the law number of years ago that came
into an effect that essentially prohibits Californian customers from purchasing
ammunition to be shipped directly to their homes. And there's
a background check requirement, among some other things that that
law did.
Speaker 2 (00:15):
When the governor at the time was touring the state.
Speaker 1 (00:18):
Kind of touting how great this bill was for Californians,
his security detail was denied.
Speaker 3 (00:27):
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and Colt all Right, Welcome in to gun Talk Nation
today and Guntalk Nation. Let's talk about online Ammo. Let's
talk about how do you find Ammo, what do you
buy Ammo? And the guys behind it, and maybe we'll
(01:09):
pick up some secrets I don't know, some some pro
tips for you. Welcoming on the show today, Ammunition Depot
Dan Woolgin, Welcome in Man.
Speaker 2 (01:22):
Thanks for having me. So glad to be here.
Speaker 3 (01:25):
Dan. We were talking the other day and I was
just we've I think people probably know ammunition Depot because
it's one of the places when you're you're scrounging around
the internet for for Ramo, you always run across, you guys,
and uh, it seems like that's become one of the
ways people shop for RAMO these days, is buying it online.
Speaker 2 (01:50):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:50):
I mean, well, first, we certainly hope that people have
heard of us, but if they haven't, we hope that
they come they come check us out. You know, buying
everything online has become one of the ways that that
people go and kind of get what they need for
their lives.
Speaker 2 (02:05):
And so, you know, ammunition is no different.
Speaker 1 (02:09):
Of course, it's heavy, and so it is a little
bit different in that generally when you're coming to shop online,
you aren't going to come and buy one box of
fifty rounds or one box of twenty rounds of hollow point.
Speaker 2 (02:22):
And hip that.
Speaker 1 (02:25):
But as long as you're coming for a good assortment
of ammunition, you can build a nice a nice order.
Speaker 2 (02:31):
Then it's going to be a.
Speaker 1 (02:32):
Really cost effective way for customers to get the products
that they're looking for at a really competitive price and convenient.
Speaker 2 (02:38):
It's going to come right to your door.
Speaker 1 (02:40):
Or if you're buying a firearm, you know, right to
your your chosen gun shop to go and do a transfer.
So I'm sure it's a great way to well, you
have to be inside the United States, so that's right.
Speaker 3 (02:52):
Sorry, guys. I can help you, you know, I feel like.
Speaker 2 (02:56):
The reality and you can.
Speaker 1 (02:58):
You kind of can sell into California. You can buy
ammunition in California. It's just a bit of a complicated process.
We're doing everything we can to make that easier for
the Californian consumers. And I joke, but you know, our
American brothers and sisters in the state of California. So
we are a plaintiff in a lawsuit against the state
of California trying to kind of regain what we consider
(03:21):
Second Amendment rights constitutional rights Californians.
Speaker 2 (03:26):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (03:26):
Sure, So California passed the law number of years ago
that came into effect that essentially prohibits Californian customers from
purchasing ammunition to be shipped directly to their homes. There's
an import ban, and there's a background check requirement, amongst
some other things that that law did, which essentially forced
the Californian consumer to go into a physical brick and
(03:49):
mortar store to purchase ammunition and have a background check
done on them. Of course, no background check systems in
our nation are set up to handle the kind of
volume that would be required to background check every time
somebody wants to buy amo. In fact, there was a
really a really kind of funny anecdote when the governor
at the time was touring the state kind of touting
(04:10):
how great this bill was for Californians. His security detail
was denied when they tried to run.
Speaker 2 (04:15):
It back crund check.
Speaker 1 (04:15):
Now, so obviously you know, it didn't really work the
way that it was intended to work. So we're we're
doing everything that we can. We're we're playing upunt of lawsuit.
It's currently sitting with the Ninth Circuit, which, should we prevail,
which I certainly hope that we do, Californians will again
be able to purchase ammunition online and have it shipped
directly to their homes like.
Speaker 2 (04:34):
Yeah, you can, and basically the rest of the state, the.
Speaker 3 (04:37):
Country freedom maybe ye, well in the night.
Speaker 2 (04:39):
That's all.
Speaker 3 (04:40):
I'm kind of surprising lately because in the past we
called it the Ninth Circus Court of Appeals and nothing
positive for guns or gun rights could get out of
that freaking court. And in the last I don't know,
two three four years, you've had some some decisions go
a surprising way that was kind of pro free, pro gun,
(05:00):
which has been good.
Speaker 2 (05:02):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (05:03):
So over the last I don't know, let's say, decade,
there's been a number of judges appointed to that court
who have more reasonable views in my opinion, right, but
I suppose you could call them more conservative views, particularly
with respect to gun rights. And as a result, when
you go and challenge these courts with a case, you
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kind of get randomly assigned the judges and it starts
with three judges. Obviously, our legal systems are complicated, so
it can go a couple of different ways from there,
but it starts with three judges, and it can be
a little bit of the luck of the draw. So
sometimes we get lucky, sometimes we don't.
Speaker 3 (05:44):
Is there anything that people listening to this need to do,
because sometimes when we talk about court cases, you know,
I guess it's not necessarily a right into your senators thing,
but maybe just keep an eye on it or support
it in some way.
Speaker 2 (05:57):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (05:57):
So, the California Rifle and Pistol Associate and the NRA
are really the entities that are supporting this this fight.
And so if you're so inclined, then you like what
it is these entities do. Their nonprofit entities, they need
your support monetarily. It's also never a bad idea to
write your congress people, your senators, and your congress people.
Speaker 2 (06:19):
Let them know what you think.
Speaker 1 (06:21):
Maybe to a lesser extent other people's congress people, but
at the end of the day, all of those elected
representatives are supposed to be representing the people as a whole.
Speaker 2 (06:30):
They have their constituents, but they.
Speaker 1 (06:32):
Should be thinking about what's best and what's desired by
the people as a whole. So make your voices heard.
That's I think really the most important part. Make them
heard by voting, make them heard by spending your dollars,
by donating your dollars, and you know more traditionally, by
just actually getting your voice out there in a written
or or verbal form. You can call your the offices
of your of your congress people and senators as well.
Speaker 2 (06:54):
I mean, and do it on the state level.
Speaker 3 (06:55):
Too, Yeah, I mean absolutely, And we've said it for
years that I mean, so easy for people in other
places to say, oh whatever, California that place is a mess.
Why don't you just move whatever. But you don't want
nonsense California laws to become law. You don't want them
to spread. And they absolutely spread. I mean, it spreads
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to Oregon and Washington. It spreads in Arizona. Believe it
or not. You have a lot of Californians there. You
have a lot of Californians. Move into Utah and Idaho
and all these places, and hell even like Texas. I
mean there's you don't want that stuff to gain a
foothold in the idea of these politicians who are I
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mean half of them are maybe great, and half of
them or not, but they're kind of puppets and they're
kind of going, well, that's a neat idea, let's try that.
Speaker 2 (07:46):
Yeah, there's this concept also of like form legislation.
Speaker 1 (07:50):
So California put something together and they managed to get
it through and there's maybe a challenge in this through
to the state constitutional court and it's upheld politicians in
another states see, Okay.
Speaker 2 (08:02):
They already did the hard work. Let's grab that and
we'll see if we can't get that, we can't get
that approved here.
Speaker 1 (08:07):
So that's definitely, you know, one way And it's funny
you talk about people moving. I live in Florida, and
we've had a huge influx of people really in the
last five years since COVID moving into the state, and
one of the concerns has been are they going to
bring their politics with them? So you have a lot
of people coming down from the northeast, New York, New Jersey, Pennsylvania,
which are certainly more liberal areas than Florida.
Speaker 2 (08:31):
Isn't in in.
Speaker 1 (08:32):
Certain you know, certain areas of the of society, And
so far we haven't seen it. So, you know, I
don't know if that's a trend nationally, but it's always
a concern. You say, hey, you know, Californians, why don't
you just move? Well, I don't know which one. Somebody
voted for those policies. So if they come, they come
to your backyard and start voting for those policies again,
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that's that's not such.
Speaker 2 (08:53):
A good thing. So and everybody thinks, I don't want
them to leave.
Speaker 1 (08:56):
I want I want it to be better for Californians
in California, you know, and Chicagoan's in Chicago and New
Yorkers in New York, among other places.
Speaker 3 (09:05):
Yeah, yeah, And everybody thinks they're in the center. They
always think that, like, I'm a little bit right of center.
Speaker 2 (09:10):
I'm a little bit.
Speaker 3 (09:12):
I'm very very close to just right in the middle.
I'm very very level headed. Except that, yeah, when you
when you're surrounded by a certain mindset in San Francisco,
you don't realize that maybe you're not in the center
of whatever the average or the mean average or whatever
it is.
Speaker 2 (09:27):
I forgot, I don't.
Speaker 3 (09:30):
Know mean median.
Speaker 2 (09:32):
We don't need that. It's true.
Speaker 1 (09:34):
On the other side, though, you know, I think the
important thing is having an open mind, trying to listen,
actually listen to two people.
Speaker 2 (09:42):
Because we can fight with each.
Speaker 1 (09:44):
Other all we want, but unless we can really understand
the route behind the fight. On the other side, we
can't really find a compromise that that's going to work
for everybody, that's going to make everybody happy or equally unhappy.
Let's say, yeah, because that's really what compromises up being.
But yeah, it's important to I think, to try to
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those positions come with some amount of logic behind them.
Speaker 2 (10:13):
Sometimes they don't, but you know, one way or another.
Speaker 1 (10:16):
Try to understand where they're coming from so that you
can effectively explain why maybe that's not the best position.
Speaker 3 (10:22):
Yeah, well, I'm glad you guys will get involved in
that stuff. Hey, we're going to talk with Dan about
shopping for m O online.
Speaker 2 (10:31):
And he's going to tell forgot to do that.
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So Dan, people went absolutely bonkers buying ammunition online. And
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I would say we because I was probably in there
as well. We all went bonkers, and you know, twenty
twenty one, twenty two, and people, I think, if they
hadn't done it already, they figured out like, oh, this
is a way to buy AMMO, and then they start
shopping around and you're in everybody lists like the cost
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per round and all this stuff. But you're a guy
who runs one of these sites. I mean, I kind
of set you up, But I mean I don't know.
I mean, if there are any tips and tricks or
things like what are you noticing these days with amima?
Because it's it's not as scarce as it was, right,
I mean, it's more available.
Speaker 2 (13:49):
Now, certainly not right now.
Speaker 1 (13:50):
Yeah, I'd start with saying it's a great time to
buy AMMA, meaning prices are about as low as I've
seen them. I don't expect them to get any lower.
We are as close to pre pandemic pricing as I
think we're ever going to get. There was obviously a
lot of inflation over the last five years. Makes it
kind of hard. These things are mostly commodity metals. It
makes it kind of hard to get back down to
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the prices that we were at before. So it's a
great time to buy AMMO. Is you know the first
thing that I would say, as far as you know secrets,
you said tips, tricks, secrets. Buying AMMO firearms accessories online
is really no different than buying any other valuable, important
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to you thing online, And so from my perspective, price
is important, it needs to be competitive, But customer service
and knowing that that company is going to be there
to stand behind the product the experience if you need it,
is I think equally, if not more important, and so
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that's something that we've really strived for at Ammunition Depot.
We have among the highest customer service rates in the industry.
In fact, I think the highest, but I suppose I
can't say that definitively. But if you go and look
online Better Business Bureau, Trust Pilot, Google, you know these
kinds of things. We've ratings at five four point nine.
I don't know if we have a five anywhere, four
(15:15):
point eight, four point ninety five. We track this internally
something called an NPS, and we don't need to get
too deep into it, but the best score you can
get on an NPS is one hundred, and the worst
score you can get as a negative one hundred.
Speaker 2 (15:26):
We consistently maintain a score between ninety and one hundred.
Speaker 1 (15:29):
Wow, which is unheard of for companies, let alone companies
in our space, just companies. It's very difficult to find
any company out there that's tracking NPS that has won
that high. So it's really important for us. We try
to put the customer first. Obviously, I also have to
make money, so you know, we're not giving moway but
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very very competitive pricing, competitive shipping costs.
Speaker 2 (15:53):
Sometimes there'll be opportunities for free.
Speaker 1 (15:55):
Shipping or special promotions things like that, but we just
keep it as tight as we can so that we
can serve our customers for the long haul.
Speaker 2 (16:03):
We want to be here for one hundred years doing
what we're doing.
Speaker 3 (16:05):
That makes a big difference when somebody has kind of
a long term view because I think that you end
up treating people the right way. You do things the
right way because you're not chasing the week, the month,
the quarter, whatever it may be, because you're trying to
do it the right way. Yeah. I mean, I guess
when we talk about shopping online a lot of times
with the Ammo, a lot of times people are thinking
about the bulk purchasing of Ammo. And one of the
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things I've noticed over the years, if you do this
long enough, it's like, if you're a consumer of Ammo,
like you you really shoot a lot. You shoot a
lot of nine, you shoot a lot of two, two, three,
whatever it may be, you really can dollar cost average
this thing, whether it's every month or every couple months
or whatever. You know, buy it when it's cheap, because
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everybody runs out when things become scarce and the costs
are higher. But if you're kind of like just buying
all the time a little bit at a time, I mean,
and I say a little bit. Ryan's version of a
little bit is like maybe five hundred to one thousand rounds.
Speaker 2 (17:03):
Five hundred rounds, a thousand rounds. Yeah, I would agree.
Speaker 1 (17:06):
If you're if you're gonna buy at least five hundred rounds,
you're gonna be able to do it cost effectively online.
Speaker 2 (17:11):
And if you have the.
Speaker 1 (17:12):
Space, I would agree, you know, buy every so often,
a little bit more than you think you.
Speaker 2 (17:16):
Need, put it away.
Speaker 1 (17:18):
We're working on some things to help people even if
they don't have the space, and some stuff like that.
So hopefully in a couple of months I can come
back and tell you about some neat stuff that we're doing.
Not not really ready to throw that out there yet,
but yeah, I mean, prices are low, and the best
thing that you can do to protect yourself and all
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of us really against those price spikes that happen is
don't panic buy.
Speaker 2 (17:45):
And how do you not panic by by before you panic.
Speaker 3 (17:48):
Pre panic buy?
Speaker 2 (17:49):
Yes, exactly, exactly.
Speaker 3 (17:52):
Well, so you guys also make your own AMMO. You're
loading Ammo, isn't that right?
Speaker 1 (17:59):
Yeah, So we obviously sell everybody's Ammo, and we work
with all of the major manufacturers in the United States
and most of the major manufacturers globally.
Speaker 2 (18:08):
But we also manufacture AMMO ourselves.
Speaker 1 (18:10):
And we do that not because we're trying to become
the biggest AMUM manufacturer and compete with Winchester Federal or whatever,
but really just so that when things do go crazy,
we can make sure that we have AMMO for our customers,
because there's been times over the last couple of years
we couldn't buy any AMMO. Yeah, at any price, didn't
matter what I was willing to pay for it. I
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couldn't get AMMO in the door to service my customers.
And so knowing that I have an alternative source through
manufacturing of ammunition ourselves.
Speaker 2 (18:41):
Is really really valuable for really our customer base.
Speaker 3 (18:44):
What do you think about remanufactured AMO? Is that a
good buy? Or is like because there're probably listeners who say,
I don't know if I want to shoot that through
my gun or whatever. I mean, what is remanufacturer? I mean,
I know what it is, but like what would be
the definition of and what is it not?
Speaker 1 (19:01):
Yeah, so ammunition for handguns, rifles, your shotguns a little
bit different, but let's just stick in kind of the
handgun space because it's the simplest, no necked cartridge and
stuff like that.
Speaker 2 (19:11):
It's a brass cartridge.
Speaker 1 (19:13):
When you shoot it, that brass expands and so it's
no longer kind of inspect it's not the same shape
it was before you shot it. So you can take
that cartridge called a spent cartridge, you can remanufacture it,
meaning get it back into tolerances. You clean it, you
remove the spent primer, you shape it back into the
right size, You put it in a new primer, you
put in fresh powder, you put in obviously a new projectile,
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and now I've got a round of ammunition that was
cheaper to produce because you didn't have to buy a
new cartridge. Instead, you did all of this work to
make the old cartridge kind of let's.
Speaker 2 (19:44):
Say, like new again. So it's usually actually do that
quite a few times.
Speaker 3 (19:47):
It's usually made from like once fired brass, right.
Speaker 1 (19:49):
Once fired we call it ones fired brass. But you
can actually reload a cartridge. There's no exact number, but
it could be even like ten times before you start
splitting that cartridge as you're trying to reform it. But yeah,
once fired brass mostly comes from ranges, your range that
you go to. If you're not picking up your brass,
they're picking up your brass.
Speaker 3 (20:07):
And they're selling it.
Speaker 2 (20:08):
They're selling it. Yeah, so is it a good thing?
You know, I think it's good.
Speaker 1 (20:13):
It makes a good, cost effective option for people who
shoot a lot. If you have extremely tight tolerance firearm,
maybe you don't want to use reman. If you spent
three thousand dollars on a Titanium nineteen eleven, you should
probably pay up for some you know, some nice around.
Speaker 2 (20:32):
If you're gonna.
Speaker 3 (20:33):
Drive a car that costs six figures, don't put regular
unleaded gas in it.
Speaker 2 (20:38):
Come on, yeah, same, same idea. Same.
Speaker 1 (20:40):
You're not gonna put the bargain bin tires on that
vehicle either. So, but if you're I don't want to.
I don't want to fan any of our you know,
our brand partners that we work with. But you know,
if you've got a high point, you know, a porous
three C or like lock, I mean.
Speaker 2 (20:54):
It'll eat anything.
Speaker 3 (20:55):
Yeah, exactly, you're.
Speaker 2 (20:57):
Shooting a lot, you're putting holes in pay Yeah, go
for it, Yeah, go for it. It's a great way
to say.
Speaker 3 (21:04):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (21:04):
But you guys, I mean, if we sell.
Speaker 1 (21:07):
Match AMMO also self defense AMO, you know, magazines, cleaning
all the stuff that.
Speaker 2 (21:12):
You would need to enjoy the shooting sports.
Speaker 3 (21:14):
Along those lines. Let's talk about that, because you guys
do sell a lot of stuff outside of AMO. It's
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Speaker 2 (21:29):
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you were like, oh, okay, they sell AMMO, but they
also sell gun parts and guns and optics and magazines
and you make your own AMMO. But you're making some
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other brands that you guys are doing. And I teased
it before the break you've got a new thing that
you told me about. And I was like, wait a minute,
what tell me more.
Speaker 1 (24:48):
Yeah, So we partnered with a company called Rattles like
Tactical to make this magazine. It's you know, but for
the spring and all Pollmer magazine, which is much like
you've seen before. There's there's many brands on the market
with something like this. This is a double stack N
nine milimeter magazine which is made for the glock platform,
so it's going to fit any double stack nine milimeter
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block or firearm that accepts magazines for double stack nine
milimeter block.
Speaker 2 (25:15):
What's neat about this? It's thirty four rounds.
Speaker 1 (25:18):
I was able to squeeze thirty five in after the
spring relaxed, but thirty four rounds. Call it thirty four.
Packaging says thirty four. A couple of neat things. Number
one lifetime warranty, so Rattle Sick Tactical. Anything happens, accidental damage,
you drop it at the range and it breaks or whatever,
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they'll replace it for you. So I think that's very
very cool. The other thing, and we push real hard
on this is the cost. We've kept the cost way
way down on this, so the MSRP is nineteen ninety nine,
which is in line with MSRPs on a lot of
other stuff. We have partnered with Rattlesick Tactical for the
exclusive rollout, so for some period of time we've all
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of the production capacity of Rattlesnake Tactical for this magazine.
For that rollout, we are pricing it as low as
they will let us.
Speaker 3 (26:08):
How low is that as we end.
Speaker 1 (26:09):
Well, as we sell more and more, we have to
move the price up towards you know where it's going
to be eventually. Unfortunately, the first three thousand of these
already went out the door, and we were only allowed
to sell three thousand at a cost of four ninety nine,
and currently they are at five ninety nine, and I
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don't know how long that price will last. Eventually, I
would expect to see this product in the market somewhere
closer to the ten dollars price point. But for as
just as long as Rattlesnake will let me keep buying
them and selling them at that price, we will keep
doing it. So we're going to keep the price as
low as we possibly can. But you compare that to
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the other stuff in the market, and it's less.
Speaker 2 (26:54):
It's a significant amount less.
Speaker 1 (26:56):
And so you know you want to throw three or
four ten of these in your range bag or and
you're safe or whatever, you can really do that without
without breaking the bank.
Speaker 3 (27:04):
So that is such a big deal because I mean,
in me in the PCC world especially, I mean, perfect
magazines can be expensive and everybody wants to extendo that's
what they call it on the streets, the extendos, those
those high capacity mags. And what's crazy is yeah, I
mean for my like nine millimary PCC stuff, I mean,
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I have five, six, ten of those types of mags
and I'll load them all up before I go to
the range, just to save time, because that's it's.
Speaker 2 (27:37):
So much better. Nobody likes loading.
Speaker 3 (27:39):
Bags rounds, you know, and to be able to do
that for six dollars per mag. Now, before you guys,
we are going to have we're gonna drop a link
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and uh so you don't have to go searching. But
Rattlesnake Tactical thirty four round nine milimeters magazine designed for
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block patterns, which obviously works for blocks, but there's a
lot of guns that use block pattern magazines too.
Speaker 2 (28:08):
Yes, yep.
Speaker 1 (28:09):
Now the other real cool thing about it, I will
throw this out there real quick. Together with Rattlesneak, we
tested this and we had a third party test this also,
and it outperforms the similar magazines on the market. So
the other polymer magazines on the market, they all perform
similarly on a drop test. From a durability perspective, they're
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all the same. But the failure rate, which is failure
to feed mostly on this magazine was about a tenth
one tenth of the failure rate on similar magazines.
Speaker 2 (28:43):
How do you achieve it's way way.
Speaker 3 (28:45):
More in the follower and the feed lips or what
is it that kind of makes it more liable.
Speaker 1 (28:50):
Yeah, there's a lot of engineering that goes into these mags.
They seem like they're all the same and they seem
like it's an easy, simple thing, but in reality, there's
a lot of engineering there on the inside of this
magazine tube, on the follower spring that's used on the
tilt and can't of the follower, and the top of
the spring itself, the geometry of the follower, So there's
a lot.
Speaker 2 (29:09):
That goes into it.
Speaker 1 (29:10):
And these guys just did a great job making a
magazine that is cheap and reliable and designed, manufactured, packaged, conceived,
sold entirely in the United States of America. So no
parts of this magazine that's a good party coming from overseas.
Speaker 3 (29:26):
Yeah, I'm sure that people would assume to get to
that cost, it would have to be shipped in.
Speaker 2 (29:31):
Yeah, but it's not.
Speaker 3 (29:33):
What are what are other questions that people ask about this,
because it's like automatically, when something is a surprise, the
cost is a surprisingly lower than what they think. They go, Okay,
well is it any good? What's the construction of it?
You know? What other things would they want to know?
Speaker 2 (29:53):
Usually you nailed it. It goes right to.
Speaker 1 (29:56):
Like, well, it must be a piece of junk, right,
If it's that cheap, it's got to be a piece
of junk. Uh, you know, And it's not, which is
why we wanted to make sure that not only did
we test this before we wanted to sell it to
our consumers, but we had a third party test this
as well against the big names.
Speaker 2 (30:12):
In the market. You know, kind of be nice and
not name them.
Speaker 1 (30:15):
Here, but the bigger names in the market who your listeners,
my customers might have some of their magazines certainly have
used them before, and the whole the market is very
very happy with those magazines, happy with the price point
they're they're buying them up like crazy, and so we
tested it against those to make sure that it was
going to perform at least as well. Our hope was
(30:37):
that it was just as good. We're if it's as
good but cheaper, we're happy to bring that to our customers.
We think they're going to love it. In reality ended
up being better and cheaper. So that's that's the biggest
question that we've gotten so far and that I expect
to get, is Oh, it's a piece of junk. People say,
you're gonna have to replace the spring, it's going to
have all these failures.
Speaker 2 (30:57):
It's it just doesn't seem to be true.
Speaker 3 (30:59):
Yeah, what what kind of guns did you test it?
Speaker 2 (31:02):
Then?
Speaker 1 (31:04):
So for the third party testing, we use the Glock line,
so seventeens, nineteens, and forty six I think, you know,
the mini. We've also tested it in a number of pccs,
and later this week I'm going to go myself and
test this in a new stribog that I got, which
is going to be going to be really fun. But yeah,
(31:26):
we've tested in a couple of different pccs and you know,
basically the most popular firearms in the in the glock line.
We made sure we're using the same firearm to test
the different magazine so that it's not you know, we
don't have something to do with with the gun. We
put the dirty old the dirty old one that we
didn't clean on the competitors or.
Speaker 2 (31:44):
Something like that. You know, that's that's certainly not the case.
We used clean ones, dirty ones, you know, and everything
in between we put.
Speaker 1 (31:51):
I think the minimum we put through a magazine was
five hundred rounds, but we put much more than that
through some and again to test durability. Reliability needs to
be there for the long term, so we tested everything
we could think of. The only thing it failed on,
which all the magazines failed on, was a drop test
(32:12):
from three feet fully loaded on the feed lips. So
you drop it like this straight on the concrete from
the feed lips, and all of the magazines end up
splitting right here down the middle of the magazine tube.
If that's a concern for you, go get a metal
lined bag.
Speaker 2 (32:28):
It won't do that.
Speaker 1 (32:29):
We offer those as well, you know, Glock makes a
thirty three round metaline magazine. I think maybe CACI makes
one as well, if if you're interested in saving a
little bit, yeah, and don't mind not having the Glock name.
But other than that, they perform really well. And again
they all failed in the same way on that same test.
So that seemed like something that, you know, probably not
(32:51):
going to be able to get around with this type
of construction, and at that price point. Comparatively, it seemed
like a great deal and something I wanted to be
able to offer to our customers.
Speaker 3 (33:00):
That's cool, Well, thanks for telling us that, because that's
I mean, it's it's probably I'm not trying to defend it,
but it's kind of an unlikely scenario. But you're right,
like if if you're going for hard use, duty use
type of thing, there are other options that you might consider.
Speaker 2 (33:15):
Yeah, right, yeah.
Speaker 1 (33:17):
I mean, for sure, if you're going for duty use
four or five six dollars mags, probably not the right
mag right, I mean, look, it'll work, but still, when
you're trusting your life, I trust Block. So sure, you know,
(33:38):
buy one Block thirty three round magazine and nine of these.
Speaker 2 (33:41):
Yeah, and you'll be set, you know. But there's certainly
other options out there.
Speaker 3 (33:48):
Rattle snake, tactical cool, Okay, day, what do you see
coming up in the future for what do the tea
leaves say for people? I guess just maybe products that
you're seen, you know, trends you're seeing, or or what
should the listeners be looking for?
Speaker 1 (34:06):
Sure, if I could read the tea leaves, I don't
think we'd be sitting here.
Speaker 2 (34:09):
But I'll do my best, my best shot at it.
There's some trends that have been happening for a long time,
which I don't think I'm gonna be a surprise to anybody.
Forty is dying.
Speaker 1 (34:19):
It seems to be. What I think is interesting is
that demand in the market for two, two, three, five,
five six is way down, way way down. Demand for
ars seems way down as well. Yeah, I don't think
that platform is dying. That is not what I mean
to say here. We've got I don't know, thirty forty
million ars out in people's hopefully safe and gunlockers out
(34:42):
in this country, and I don't think there's a going
on ay where it's a phenomenal platform. I love it
just as much as everybody else does, but for whatever reason,
maybe it's because people are hurting and don't have the
cash to spend and two, two, three, five, five, six
rounds are expensive. The portion that we see of sales
in two to three for sales in nine millimeter has
(35:05):
really shifted over the last.
Speaker 2 (35:07):
Year or so much much more heavily to nine milimeter.
Speaker 3 (35:10):
You think on that side, shooting to shooting nine, then.
Speaker 2 (35:14):
That's what I think.
Speaker 1 (35:15):
I suspect that it's it's a little bit more cost
effective to go and shoot nine.
Speaker 2 (35:21):
And so if you're shooting for fun, not really.
Speaker 1 (35:24):
Training, you're you're shooting nine. It has the kind of feedback,
the profile that you want, the recoil profile that you want.
Speaker 2 (35:33):
Me twenty two is fun, but it's a whole different animal.
Speaker 3 (35:35):
I'm going to ask, are you what are you seeen
in twenty two? Is that gain and popularity if people
are looking for a cheaper way to shoot?
Speaker 2 (35:41):
Yeah, so not as much as I've seen it in
the past.
Speaker 1 (35:45):
And part of that is that comparatively, twenty two isn't
as cheap as it used to be.
Speaker 2 (35:49):
So we used to be able to offer.
Speaker 1 (35:51):
Twenty two for five cents around all day long, and
it's gotten really hard to maintain that price point.
Speaker 2 (35:55):
We're able to hit it sometimes, but most of the
time we just.
Speaker 1 (35:59):
Can't get it that low, you know, and keep the
doors open because I have to keep the doors open. So,
you know, we've seen a big shift to nine and
I think from the perspective of like self defense, home defense,
and again this is not really news for anybody, but
nine is winning the handgun wars there for sure. There's
a lot of nineteen eleven lovers and forty five ACPCE
(36:21):
still really popular.
Speaker 2 (36:23):
Three eighty has.
Speaker 1 (36:23):
Gotten less and less popular in my opinion. I think
the reason for that is that you've seen stuff come
out like the P through sixty five, like the G
forty three, where you've got a slim, small profile maybe
ten seven to ten rounds of nine millimeter.
Speaker 2 (36:39):
It's so small the savings that you get.
Speaker 1 (36:41):
Another quarter of an inch or something by moving to
the three eighty instead just not worth it. So the
gun manufacturers has done a great job with their technology
to kind of you don't need three eighty anymore.
Speaker 2 (36:54):
I still have some.
Speaker 1 (36:54):
I love three eighty also, I think it's a great caliber,
great platform, and I've got a couple of them. P
two thirty eight is a great carry gun. And uh,
you know, if you if you absolutely are having trouble
carrying and you need to throw something in your pocket.
Speaker 2 (37:10):
I haven't found anything smaller than LCP yeah out there
well on the market, right.
Speaker 3 (37:14):
The only difference between a three eighty and the nine
is a little bit of length, so it doesn't really
give you more capacity. So yeah, it's a good point,
Like a P three is twenty five and they have.
Speaker 2 (37:24):
That it's a little bit shorter, and that's kind of
it would just.
Speaker 3 (37:27):
Yeah, you could have the grip be shorter front to
back slightly, but I mean, it's not changing the capacity
of the gun. And I think that, I mean, for
most people, the shoot ability is not that much of
a difference either between nine and three eighty.
Speaker 1 (37:43):
Honestly, if anything, three eight is a little bit worse.
Some of those firearms are so small it's hard to
get a good grip on it. And then you go
and modifying the grip or putting in a you know,
an extension plate so that you really get purchased with
your pinky, and now it's not small anymore. Anyway, I
don't even I can't even exact.
Speaker 2 (38:05):
I don't have to do it anymore.
Speaker 1 (38:07):
You know, I really like the P sixty five as
a as a platform, so does America. I think it's
the most popular until carry gun still for the last
couple of years. And you know, ten rounds nine millimeter
or ten plus one, it's great. I love the SAS version.
If you haven't checked it out, it's kind of kind
of cool, kind of neat the s AS sig Anti
(38:27):
Stang that kind of took all the little things sticking
off the sights and everything.
Speaker 3 (38:32):
Fired up talking about that damn gun. People are firecrack.
That's a grenade into a barroom, dude.
Speaker 2 (38:40):
So like, sorry, guys, it's so.
Speaker 3 (38:42):
Funny though, because you if you say, let me explain
the sees or if you if you've seen it, you know,
but it's like, well doesn't have traditional sites and there
are so weird. So people that flip out like that's ridiculous.
Now most of those people haven't shot it, who say
it's ridiculous because it's different, but it's actually not ridiculous
because we've shot it, we've filmed with it, We've had
(39:06):
Phil Straighter, who had a part in inventing this thing
down here shooting it. And it is really it really works,
and that's what everybody on the range from there going,
I'll be damned like that really works.
Speaker 2 (39:19):
It's cool.
Speaker 1 (39:20):
For those of you who don't know, it has this thing,
I think it's called the bullseye target, But instead of
having your traditional dovetail sites embedded in the slide, is
this little piece of plastic that's properly aligned at the
factory with an open circle and a dot, and you
align the dot within the open circle, and that gives
you your site picture so that.
Speaker 2 (39:38):
You then you know know that you're going to hit
your target. For the reality is my understanding.
Speaker 1 (39:43):
Luckily, I've never been in a situation where I had
to use a firearm to defend myself, but my understanding
from talking to people who have, especially law enforcement officers.
Speaker 2 (39:52):
When that happens, it's nothing like your training.
Speaker 1 (39:56):
You lose accuracy on the order of ten So if
you're one M shooter, now you're a ten moa shooter
and you're not spending time thinking like, okay, let me
line up my sites and get a good site picture
or whatever. So training obviously is really important, and from
that perspective, it's just about muscle memory with that site picture.
Speaker 2 (40:14):
So for me.
Speaker 1 (40:15):
I've got good indicators when I am slowing down in
training to make sure that I'm going to hit what
I'm aiming at. And should I unfortunately ever find myself
in a situation where I need to defend myself.
Speaker 2 (40:26):
I have that muscle memory.
Speaker 1 (40:28):
I have that practice, and I'm going to be able to,
you know, bring that weapon on target and site picture
and muscle memory going to take over.
Speaker 2 (40:34):
So yeah, it's cool. You should. You should take a
look at it.
Speaker 1 (40:37):
It's not for everybody, but take a look at it,
and it's at least different and neat.
Speaker 3 (40:41):
It is different and neat. But I mean we have
not like I don't have thousands and thousands of rounds,
but the shooting and the filming we've done with it,
it really worked. We were surprised by it. Like anything,
you got to practice with it. You got to like,
if you're switching, you're adding a red dot to your
pistol and you never shot a red dot, you better
practice or eat. It's not what you should.
Speaker 2 (41:01):
Add as an aside. You should add a red dot
to your pistol because it's awesome.
Speaker 3 (41:05):
Yeah, I mean, but like if you're not used to it, yeah,
you're gonna be probably slower because you're not used to
using it and what that site picture looks like. But yeah,
that's a fun one, Dan, This has been great, man. Okay,
so I gotta I'll remind them this thirty four round
block bag from Roustaking Tactical. They can find it on
your website, but we'll put a link in the descriptions.
(41:25):
You guys can find it easy and very cool. I
mean a six dollars extendo mag that's I.
Speaker 1 (41:34):
Hope we can keep it at six for a long time.
You know, we'll see, but man, yeah, I mean even
at ten bucks. It's a phenomenal price point, so it'll
be uh, we'll keep it as low as we can
for as long as we can.
Speaker 2 (41:46):
But man, it's a killer deal.
Speaker 3 (41:49):
The lifetime guarantee that's from you guys.
Speaker 2 (41:52):
Rattlesick Tactical offers a lifetime guarantee.
Speaker 1 (41:55):
Now, what we do, which is a little bit different,
is anything you purchase from us.
Speaker 2 (41:58):
If you ever have an issue with it, call us.
We've got relationships with all of these guys.
Speaker 1 (42:03):
You don't need to try to weave your way through
their you know, returns or warranties or whatever.
Speaker 2 (42:09):
If you bought it from us, call us.
Speaker 1 (42:11):
We're going to help you through the process, that's whomever
it is, you know, and make sure that you get
the outcome that you kind of deserve, right, make sure
that the warranty is honored from the company and that
kind of stuff.
Speaker 2 (42:23):
We have some other products and that also offers something.
Speaker 1 (42:25):
Called anmly shield h We can extend things that don't
have a lifetime warranty into a lifetime warranty. So if
you do come and buy stuff from us, you have
that option to turn a one or two or three
year warranty into a lifetime warranty. But either way, if
you bought it from me, give us a call if
you ever have a problem, We're going to take care
of you.
Speaker 3 (42:42):
Awesome, all right, Dan, Thanks Ammunition Depot. You guys check
go check them out, and we will see you all
next time on gun Dog Nation.
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