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-- Will the U.S. Supreme Court take another Second Amendment case? Chuck Michel, from the California Rifle and Pistol Association, explains why it might take this extrodinary step.
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-- Will the U.S. Supreme Court take another Second Amendment case? Chuck Michel, from the California Rifle and Pistol Association, explains why it might take this extrodinary step.
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Speaker 3 (00:31):
All right, back with you here, Tom Gresham, it's a
gun Talk eight sixty six.
Speaker 4 (00:34):
Talk Gun or Tom Talkgun. We'll get you in.
Speaker 3 (00:37):
I want to bring up we have a really ever
talked about Second amendic cases and things that are going
on over the last few weeks, but other things going on,
but you know, time marches on and so do the cases.
And we have one that it's like the never ending
Second Amendment case, and now it's back and maybe in.
Speaker 4 (00:55):
Front of the Supreme Court.
Speaker 3 (00:57):
We're joined by Chuck Mischell from Michelle and Associates and
the College for your Rifle and Pistol Association. Chuck, you're
one of the leadings that con Amendment attorneys in the country.
This case the Duncan vi Banta case. I asked you before,
this thing just seems like it's been here forever. And
then I looked, was it like twenty seventeen this case started.
Speaker 5 (01:16):
Yeah, this case has got a lot of a lot
of whiskers. It's old. They's been tried twice and this
is now it's in the Supreme Court for the second time.
Speaker 3 (01:24):
This is the California magazine ban.
Speaker 5 (01:28):
Ban on possession of magazines that can hold over ten rounds.
Speaker 3 (01:30):
Yeah, standard capacity magazine. So all right, So it went
through the lower court, went to the Ninth Circuit, and
then the Ninth Circuit played its typical shenanigans, got appealed,
went to the Supreme Court, got sent back down a GVR,
they call it grant vacate and reman back to the
(01:51):
Ninth Back, Yeah, back to Judge Benitez, back to we
won that one, Back to the Ninth Circuit, and they
play their silly games again. Now it's back to the
Supreme Court. Eight years in the making, right now.
Speaker 5 (02:07):
Yes, and a whole lot of money. And even though
we you know, we get very discounted nonprofit rates to
the clients. And I got to give a hat tip
to NRA and CRPA, they both contributed to this case.
But now it's back.
Speaker 4 (02:22):
There and.
Speaker 5 (02:24):
Hopefully this is a case that the Supreme Court will
find attractive.
Speaker 3 (02:27):
Well, and we're talking in the middle of the week,
and then this morning the Supreme Court says, yeah, we
were going to send it to committee or conference and
where they discussed which cases are going to take. And
now they say, well, we're going to move it to
another conference. But they haven't actually stay in which one.
Normally they'll say it's going to the next conference, but
not this time.
Speaker 5 (02:48):
Correct. They usually just postpone it a week and sometimes
they postpone it, you know, fifteen weeks in a row.
That's not unusual. Yeah, but in this case, they just
rescheduled it, which which might be good news, might be
bad news. The good news would be that they just
need more time to study the record because it's a
you know, eight years worth of record and they want
(03:11):
to prepare more for the discussion at the conference. Or
it might be that they're actually going to you know,
there's like twenty eight cases. They have two Second Amendment
cases that they've taken, they've granted served on one dealing
with prohibitive people who use drugs and canon guns and
one dealing with the vampire rule out of Hawaii Sensitive
Places case. But there's like twenty five other cases that
(03:35):
have asked the Supreme Court to hear them, including a
magazine case. But that magazine case doesn't have anywhere near
the developed That other magazine case doesn't have any near
anywhere near the developed record that the Duncan case does.
But they might be just stacking them. They might be
having you know, Second Amendment day where they're going to
deal with all these cases at one time and figure
out which ones they should take.
Speaker 3 (03:55):
Well, okay, so help me out here, because how does
that work. Not going to say, oh, gee, we've got
twenty five second inmic cases, We're going to take them
all and put them all together.
Speaker 4 (04:04):
That's not a possibility.
Speaker 3 (04:06):
So what do they do They like pick and choose
one or two and then I mean, what happens to
the rest of them?
Speaker 5 (04:12):
Well, that's a good question. Some of them they're probably
going to just deny cert flat out because they're not
well developed enough, or they think the issue has been decided,
or the lawyers that are on the cases they don't
they don't really think they're going to do as good
of a job. So they're the Supreme Court. They can
do anything they want, So they can just hold all
those cases until they decide, you know, which cases are
(04:36):
best suited for them to decide some of the issues,
and the main issues are usually what's the prohibited Can
they prohibit a certain hardware, whether it's a semi aut
or a magazine or a or a whatever part. Then
there's prohibited people. That's where you got the drug users?
Can can nonviolent drug users be banned from especially cannabis,
(04:57):
be banned from possessing firearms? And got prohibited places? These
are the three main categories of gun bands that the
Bloomberg folks are pushing in.
Speaker 3 (05:06):
It's people, places and things again exactly. This is actually
different because this year they've already agreed to take two
second infic cases.
Speaker 4 (05:16):
Is it likely they would take yet another one?
Speaker 5 (05:20):
Well, ordinarily I'd say no, but there's a lot of
pent up demand because the Wolford case is a place's case.
The I'm forgetting the name of it right now because
of an h but it's the case that's a prohibited persons,
that's a person's case. They don't have a things case yet.
Speaker 3 (05:41):
Yeah, so the magazine ban would be a theme case.
They could do that one. All right, let's do this now.
I want to go back to There's two names I
want you to bring up, because you're very well familiar
with them.
Speaker 4 (05:53):
Just Beneathez and Judge Van Dyck.
Speaker 3 (05:57):
These two people have been doing yeomen's work in terms
of supporting the Second Amendment.
Speaker 6 (06:02):
Everybody should lay a prayer candle to bost of those guys.
And Judge McLean in Illinois too. Yeah, exactly a few
shining stars out there. J mc glenn's still district court,
the trial court. But there's a few shining stars out there.
I'm probably missing several, but you zero it in on
Benitez and Van Dyke, and those are two stars.
Speaker 4 (06:22):
They really are when you read some of the decisions
you go on, I mean.
Speaker 5 (06:24):
They get it. They get it, and they're not they're
faithful to the Bruin methodology, and so many courts aren't
well in games with it.
Speaker 4 (06:31):
That's really what's going on.
Speaker 3 (06:33):
You had the Brewin case, which was a landmark case,
and a lot of the court judges and even the
circuit courts are just saying, yeah, we understand what it says,
but we don't like it, so we're going to go
the other way, even though we're required to honor the
Bruin decisis, we're just not going to do it right.
Speaker 5 (06:52):
Well, or they just twisted it, and so they've what
they've done is they've taken the whole. The first step
in the Bruin analysis is supposed to be is it
covered by the language the right to keep in their arms?
And that's so? And then so what they said in
Duncan is well, a magazine is not an arm. It's
not even covered by the Second Amendment at all. So
we don't even need to go to the next step,
(07:13):
which is whether or not there's some kind of historical
law that indicates the founding fathers would have tolerated the
modern day law, some analog law, right, And that's that's
supposed to be the tests.
Speaker 3 (07:24):
The first part, A magazine is not an arm, so
go away. This early isn't a second memdent case at all.
Speaker 5 (07:30):
Yes, and they did that with fully auto, they did
with suppressors. They this is the this is the the
devilish little trick, the little you know, change the rules
that because you don't like what the Supreme Court ruled
and uh, and don't even bother having the second part
of the question, which is whether or not there's a
historical analog law that would justify the modern day law.
(07:53):
So they just avoid the whole debate. And they love
to do that because once you move on to whether
or not there's a historical law, the burden shifts to
the state, to the government to show that there is one,
and so it's harder for the state to strike to
uphold the law because of that burden of proof.
Speaker 3 (08:12):
They don't want to get to that point. Did they
just shut it off before it gets there.
Speaker 5 (08:15):
It's a inconvenient little way. That's the short circuit the
debate and avoid the issues.
Speaker 3 (08:20):
Well, the Supreme Court, in your judgment, at some point
say we've had enough of this snantigans. We told you
what it is and you're ignoring us. Could they come
back and say, basically, knock it off and start doing
this the right way.
Speaker 5 (08:35):
And from your lips to God's ears. That is what
we are hoping, And there's signs that they that they're
at least three, if not four, of the judges are
thinking that way. It's time to slap these lower courts
down because they are being disingenuous, to put it kindly,
(08:56):
in how they interpret the Brewer decision, and Alito and
Thomas have expressed their frustration. That's another way to put
it kindly, with what the lower courts are doing, right,
you know, so there needs to be a SmackDown here
from the Supreme Court so that these lower courts can't
keep getting away, especially the Nine Circuit, but others two seconds,
(09:17):
I can't keep getting away with these games.
Speaker 3 (09:20):
To your point, where we started was this case. That
Duncan case is eight years in the making, but all
way up to the Supreme Court twice now costing millions
of dollars, literally millions of dollars. It takes money to
do this stuff.
Speaker 5 (09:36):
Oh yeah, I mean, you know my firm, we have
some of the We charge nonprofit rates well below market rates,
but it still adds up. It takes time. There's so
many If only this is what was so beautiful about
preliminary injunctions. You could get to the substantive issue fast
so it didn't take as much work. But now if
you have to go to trial and put on a
(09:56):
put on evidence and experts and testimony like that, it
takes hours and hours to do and so even at
my nonprofit rates, it adds up fast.
Speaker 4 (10:07):
Oh yeah, that's a lot of pillable hours.
Speaker 3 (10:09):
Exactly right, I mean, And that's where I come in
where I say, are you folks out there you say
you want to do something for the Second Amendment? That
open up your wallets because this is how the work's
getting done, and it takes money to make it happen.
It's as simple as that.
Speaker 5 (10:22):
And again I got to give a hat tip to
the NRA on helping out on Duncan, and they also
help out on the Roady case, which is the ammunition
background checkcase. But there's all the other cases that CRPA
has going in California now, there's like a dozen where
we are fighting for people, places and things, yep, in
multiple different contexts. Not to mention the ongoing battle which
(10:45):
you're seeing now in New York State and in California,
particularly where they drag their feet on issuing ccw's trying
to make people give up because they don't want to
work their way through all the red tape to get
the license. You know, these are the this is the
blue resistance. I mean, this is a passive. It's not passive.
It's the aggressive, aggressive way to frustrate people so that
(11:06):
they don't exercise their rights. Because at the end of
the day, if we get ccw's issued quickly and not
too expensively, and we get you know, five one million,
two million people in California with ccw's, that normalizes it
just like it has been done in all the other states.
Then people aren't afraid of guns because politicians capitalize on
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people who don't understand the issues enough being afraid.
Speaker 3 (11:31):
And that changes the culture. And when you change the culture,
policy follows behind that exactly. Jack, Michelle, thank you so
much for your time. It's Michelle and Associates, California Rifle
On Pistol Association. If you if you live in California,
used to belong to that group, and if you don't
live in California, you might want to consider belonging to
the group.
Speaker 4 (11:49):
It makes that much different.
Speaker 5 (11:50):
So you really should, because what starts here. You know,
we're the Mouldi Petri Dish of bad guns. Yes, it's
like the Frank sign monsters that gets loose on the
rest of the country.
Speaker 4 (12:03):
There it is.
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Hi, I'm Kim Rody from California.
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That's Kim Rody, the Rody case.
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Actually, I think Chuck Chelle just to mention that that's
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Besides that, she's a nice person too. Our number is
eight sixty six. Talk Gun or Tom Talk Gun. Give
me hollow our open lines. If for some put on
your mind you want to talk about questions on the floor.
Are things you'd like to have on your Christmas gift
list or maybe things you'd buy for somebody else. I
have a question for you. Do you have, I mean
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maybe crazy idea? Do you have a favorite gun cleaning item?
Could be a cleaner of blube, a solvent, a tool,
something I don't know what it is, but something that
makes your life easier and better when you're cleaning guns.
Speaker 4 (15:34):
Just wandering. Here's the thought.
Speaker 3 (15:37):
We got a generation of people that may never have
shot a revolver, don't own a revolver. Might not be
a bad thing to add to your lineup of fine
arms and your skill set. And there's some really nice
revolvers being made today. Whether you get like a little
(16:01):
e DC every day carry snubby or a little bit
larger one, or even a really big one, or a
single action revolver cowboy style, and you can go all
the way up to like a freend of arms, get
a four fifty four cassole twenty five hundred bucks or
so for a revolver. You don't have to do that,
(16:22):
of course, but I'm just saying you could you wanted
to just kind of interesting, you know. Oh here's a thought,
just thinking about this in terms of giving rather than
you getting as two thirs coming to mind. One is
it if you, like me, you got a safe full
(16:43):
of guns, some of you haven't shot in quite a while.
Maybe you think one of those old ones out and
give it to a member of your family, or maybe
even just somebody you know, doesn't even have to be
a member of your family, if it's somebody who has
very little experience. You know what ought to go with
that gun, don't you? You mentoring teaching them to shoot?
(17:08):
Teach them to shoot safely, responsibly, in a way that
doesn't scare them and doesn't hurt them. Maybe starting with
a twenty two or maybe a class. I do like
the idea of giving people a class. I don't know,
do we have fickyback?
Speaker 5 (17:26):
We do?
Speaker 3 (17:27):
Oh, okay, we don't yet. Okay, we're trying to get
our on phone. Okay. You may talk to people you
know about the subject, can say, look, do you have
a gun for self defense? And a lot of times
you're going to find. Yeah, I do, I haven't shot
it in many years. Okay, maybe your gift is, hey,
(17:48):
let's go to the range. Let's see what you have.
Because you look, if you're listening to this, it's about
a fifty to fifty chance you are the mentor, you're
the person who knows things about guns. You could take
that person to the range, help her with her gun,
help her learn to shoot it, maybe find some get
(18:10):
some fresh AMMO for it, and maybe the process discover
that maybe it's not the right gun. Maybe you know,
maybe it's not something that he or she's had for
many many years, was handed down given to them, and
you go.
Speaker 4 (18:25):
Well, you know that that.
Speaker 3 (18:28):
Little snubby is kind of hard to shoot. Well, here,
let me show you this one. And that's where it
becomes fun to go. Look, I brought half a dozen
guns out here. Let's shoot some of them. See which
ones you like. Let's try a few different things here.
The other thing I would offer is that, oh, yeah, Vicky, okay,
(18:49):
let's do this. Let's grab Vicki. She's out of Missouri. VICKI,
thank you for hanging in there with us. We're glad
to get you back in here.
Speaker 4 (18:56):
How can we help you today, Well, let.
Speaker 13 (18:58):
Me give you the background for this. My husband got
me years ago to shoot with a twelve gage shot
gun from the head and I could buy bus pop
cans all over the side of a mountain. Unfortunately, he
passed away and my son's grandsons and sons.
Speaker 14 (19:14):
Got all the guns.
Speaker 13 (19:16):
So they brought me a handgun with titan tiger. I
call it my elephant gun.
Speaker 4 (19:25):
Okay.
Speaker 13 (19:25):
I'm eighty five years old, one hundred and twenty six
pounds and five foot one, oh boy, and it is
heavier than a rock.
Speaker 4 (19:36):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (19:36):
But you know what, Vicky, you sound spunky to me.
I think you could handle something. If we got you
into the right gun, I best you could do it.
Speaker 13 (19:43):
Well, what I'm interested in is something with an easy slide.
My wrists are not as strong. My hands and wrists
are not as strong as they used to be.
Speaker 3 (19:54):
Okay, I'm laughing. Not because it's something you said, Well,
it is kind of something you said because you said
you want an easy slide. Smith and Weston makes a
pistol called.
Speaker 14 (20:03):
The Easy Yeah, I know.
Speaker 4 (20:06):
Okay, and what I would.
Speaker 3 (20:07):
Recommend is looking at the shield easy, but not in
nine millimeter.
Speaker 5 (20:15):
They have.
Speaker 3 (20:16):
They also make it in the three eighty caliber. And
that slide is so easy to work. You would, I know,
you would have no trouble at all work on that slide.
Speaker 13 (20:28):
You don't think huh.
Speaker 3 (20:30):
I think you can handle it. It's called the Smith
and Western shield. Easy and get it in three eighty
not nine millimeters, but three eighty. And all right, I'm
gonna teach you how to work a slide here right
here on the radio. Okay, we'll teaching the right way
to do it. If you had your right hand out,
do you shoot right handed, by the way, yes, okay,
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you got the gun in your right hand, all right.
Imagine you got your gun on your right hand. You
take your left hand and you hold it over the
top of the gun, don't touch it yet, and you're
at alm is open and your thumbs pointed back towards
your body.
Speaker 4 (21:02):
All right, you got that image all right?
Speaker 3 (21:05):
Now with that left hand, keeping your finger, your right
finger straight, not on the trigger, but straight along the
side of the gun. You wrap your left hand around
the slide. So now you're holding the pistol on your
right hand and the slide in your left hand. You
bring it back the whole thing back and close to
your body. And then in one motion you're going to
shove forward with your right hand and pull backwards with
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your left hand like you're trying to rip that slide
off of it. It's a push pull sh and it's
going to be so easy. Now you're using the big
muscles and not the little muscles of your fingers, and
you're using the big muscles. So that left hand flat
with palm flat, with a thumb pointing back at you,
wraps around the slide and with your right hand you
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shove forward and with your left hand you wreck it back.
I'll guarantee you you can work that slide that way
and have no problem at all. So look for a
smith the weston Easy in three eighty and try that method.
And if you can get to a shooting range where
they have an instructor and by an hour of shooting construction,
I think you would find it to be really worthwhile.
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But congratulations on making it to eighty five. We should
all be so lucky, and we should all be so
lucky to be as spunky as you are.
Speaker 4 (22:15):
Wow, Vicky is tearing it up out there. Thank you
so much for the call that was terrific.
Speaker 3 (22:20):
I'm glad I was able to get that in because
I was just thinking about that, the whole idea of
that somebody who's having trouble, you can teach them, or
you can get them the right kind of gun, because
a lot of times they do, in fact have the
wrong guy.
Speaker 4 (22:40):
Okay, this is funny.
Speaker 3 (22:41):
About twenty minutes ago, as I'm doing the show and
my email pops up an email from Smith and Wesson
a promotional deal. I did not know about this one,
but this is one of the more fun guns you
can get.
Speaker 4 (22:53):
The M and P fifteen twenty two. It's a twenty two.
Speaker 3 (22:57):
Rim fire rifle that's an AR and I mean he's
the same fire control, trigger mechanism, all the rest of it.
You're just shooting twenty two in fire in an AR.
I don't I remember. They're like in the four hundred
dollars range. But they've got a promotion going fifty or
seventy five dollars back. Let's see looking at this here
(23:19):
long gun Holiday rebate. Yeah, so you get up to
one hundred dollars. This says a rebate prepaid card for
a purchase when you purchase Smith and Wesson long gun. Okay, cool,
So you go to Smithwestern dot com take a look
at that. Didn't know about that one, but that just
popped up on our subject today of guns for Christmas
(23:39):
and the holidays. Speaking of that, let's go grab Robert
Line one out of Arkansas. Hey Robert, you made it
to gun Talk.
Speaker 14 (23:48):
Hey Tom, I've made it here several times and I
love the show, been a listener for years. Hey, well
you're welcome. Thank you.
Speaker 15 (23:57):
Now.
Speaker 14 (23:57):
My question is my wife said, which we spoke about,
fad because I found my pistol that she claimed.
Speaker 12 (24:07):
Uh, but I have.
Speaker 14 (24:11):
It was the first one that I ever actually had
it in my ends. Anyway, I am divesting myself between
daughters and grandchildren of various comings, and I'm it was
brought up to me that that was illegal to do, and.
Speaker 5 (24:34):
I just wanted to make.
Speaker 14 (24:35):
Sure, I mean, the d is done. I just want
to know, if you know, if there can be charges
throw again?
Speaker 4 (24:42):
Yeah, yeah, no, no, no, no, okay.
Speaker 12 (24:44):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (24:44):
The way it works is this, if it's already done,
it's done. Don't worry about it. Still, you're not if
you're not giving them to people who are prohibited from
owning guns not conducted felons and then you'll probably just
find However, there are state laws that govern this in
federal laws, if they're in your state, you can give
them to them directly. If they're out of your state,
(25:08):
And again that horse left the barn on this deal.
Speaker 4 (25:10):
But this is just for future use.
Speaker 3 (25:12):
What you should do is have the gun go through
a dealer to transfer to somebody in another state, and
that is you could send it to a gun store
where they live, and then they just go in and
do the paperwork and then they've got the gun if
it is a minor. Oh, and understand that in some states,
I mean, it's like it gets to be more complicated.
(25:33):
You know, if you live in Massachusetts or New York,
then it's a mess and do a transfer to them.
But I guess what I'm saying is that just know
the state laws, but it's really not complicated.
Speaker 4 (25:46):
And if you are.
Speaker 3 (25:49):
Transferring to them in another state, you should go through
a gun store or a federal farm's license in that state.
Speaker 4 (25:57):
Does that help?
Speaker 14 (26:00):
Now, my grandchildren are all minors, but I did not
bequeath them directly to the grandchildren. I give them to
my daughter in her thirty They were given to them
when they're eighteen and nobody is out of state.
Speaker 3 (26:15):
Pert, Oh you're good to go. Yeah, no reason at all. Yeah,
it's an easy deal. You did it right, and good
for you and doing that so much better to do
it while you can tell them the stories and tell
them about the guns, then for them to get it
in the estate and going on, well what do you
do with this and go no, no, no, here's this gun
that I got it this time, I did this and
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you could actually go out and shoot the guns with
them too.
Speaker 14 (26:39):
Yes, and that is the plan. I'm down with three guns,
That's all I'm saying. But I'm looking at a sixteen gage.
Speaker 3 (26:50):
You're my kind of guys, like, yeah, mine gotting the
three guys. And before I could even say, well you
know what that means, you got to go get another one,
you're already on the hunt.
Speaker 12 (27:00):
I've got it.
Speaker 3 (27:04):
I like the way you think there. Look, thank you
so much for the call. I appreciate that. Fun stuff.
Let's do this, guys. Let's take a quick break here, Joe,
don't going to where we're going to get to you
as soon as we come back, because you've got a
good point to make here. Our number here is eight
six six Talk Gun. I'm Tom Gresham.
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Speaker 3 (29:43):
And by the way, to Vicky you called a while ago.
If you're still listening, Michelle brought up something you might
want to go to a shooting range that rents guns
and try two or three different ones and see if
there's one there you like. It's a really good idea.
And I like the idea of saying, look, do you
have an instructor who can check me out into or
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three different guns and buy a half an hour or
an hour's time with an instructor and rent a few guns.
And now you don't have to actually buy it and
say yes I like it or yes or no I
don't this idea. I like the idea. Thank you, Michelle,
let's see Joe's in Lewis and North Dakota. Joe, you
got an idea about guns that are are pistols that
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are easy to rack.
Speaker 12 (30:29):
That is correct. Thank you for taking my call. I've
called multiple times that this first time I've gotten through.
Speaker 4 (30:36):
Oh, I'm glad.
Speaker 12 (30:36):
Every time I hear somebody talking about an easy slide,
I have never found one better than the Sake Sour
P two thirty eight, which is a three eighty ACP.
It is you know, sorry, go.
Speaker 3 (30:53):
Ahead, No, it's it's small. I mean you know that.
I assume you have one.
Speaker 12 (31:00):
Well I have three of them. Yeah, every time I
go outside, I have that one in my back pocket.
You can the safety. You can make sure the safety
is on with your thumb instead the one that goes
back and forth. It's up and down, so you can
always verify that it's in the safety position. You get
(31:20):
the pinky extension, which gives you an extra one extra round.
It's really difficult to shoot without that pinky extension, and
it's not designed for guys in big hands, yep. But
it is very easily accessible, very easily to hide. It's
got some weight to it, so there's like and being
(31:41):
at three eighty, it's practically no recoil. But the fact
is that you can. Oh, and it comes with at
least all three of mine. You anyway, the I forgot
what it's called the tactical site, so you could chamber around.
I always keep on chambered in anyway, but you could
chamber it on your pocket while you're backing down and
(32:04):
have your hand out. You could chamber it with one hand.
Speaker 3 (32:08):
Yes, it's got some good sights on it, and the
slide is so easy to work.
Speaker 4 (32:13):
You can, and I've done this.
Speaker 3 (32:14):
You can actually put your index finger on the rear
site and flip the slide back with your index finger
on the side. Just flip it back and work the
slide that way. That's how easy it is to work.
Speaker 12 (32:28):
So, I mean, everybody talks about the Smith and West
and Easy slide, which is a pretty easy slide, but
I don't think it's as easy as the six hour p.
Two thirty eight. Not to mention this Smith and West
and one has a wide grip and most of the
people that have difficulties don't have big hands.
Speaker 4 (32:47):
And so yeah, a good point.
Speaker 3 (32:50):
Yeah, no, no, no, this is a this is a
really good point you're making it, and then the we're
talking about the six hour P. Two thirty eight is
in three eighty and it comes different colors, different designs.
Speaker 4 (33:02):
You left out.
Speaker 3 (33:02):
One of the things I think is one of the
more important parts of this is this pistol comes with
a really good trigger because it essentially is a Micro
nineteen eleven.
Speaker 7 (33:12):
Right, yeah, I would.
Speaker 12 (33:17):
I don't have a nineteen eleven myself. I'm an h
and KVP nine fan. I have eight of them.
Speaker 3 (33:24):
Well, you kind of do have a nineteen eleven if
you got P. Two thirty eights, because this is like
the nineteen eleven I got left in the dryer too long, so.
Speaker 12 (33:35):
Trunk got it, Okay. I just I know that the
Ruger has one of the most beneficial price range ones
for three eighties. But the slide is not that easy.
It's about the same exact size the for the the
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slide release. I don't have to move my hand use
the second hand to release his fight on the P
two thirty eight. It just it's just such a great gun,
and they're very it's a shooter.
Speaker 4 (34:10):
It's a shooter. I've shot them.
Speaker 3 (34:12):
They really surprised you how accurate you are the other
thing it has, and you mentioned it, but I wanted
to make the point A lot of people really like
a manual safety, particularly on small guns, and this has
a regular thumb safety, just like a nineteen eleven, and
it's a good positive thumb safety that you can actually
get your hand on, your thumb on and work it.
(34:32):
So yeah, I like the idea of the P two
thirty eight. As you say, if you can find it,
they're not inexpensive, but it's the quality gun that you'd have.
Speaker 4 (34:41):
For a lifetime. So thank you for bringing that up.
Speaker 3 (34:43):
I had forgotten that one when I talk about the
lineup of the guns that are easy to shoot, and
thank you for the call. The other thing I would say,
and I know that particularly among older shooters, the three
eighty has a bad reputation. I wouldn't use that for
self defense. Well really, honestly, the bad reputation from the
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three eighty comes from the old days when all anybody
had was non expanding full metal jacket bullets. She would
talk about less powerful and it's poking holes. Well, the
nine milimeter I used full metal jacket for that, and
the forty five they use full metal jacket for that,
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and that's why they like the forty five, because it
just made up.
Speaker 4 (35:29):
If you're going to poke a hole, let's poke a
bigger hole.
Speaker 3 (35:32):
But now we have some AMMO that's designed for self
defense with really good expanding bullets, or like in the
case of the Blackhill's Ammo Honey Badger, those bullets don't
have to expand to be effective in self defense. It's
a completely different design. So the three eighty becomes a
(35:53):
viable alternative. And I know people say, well, you know,
if we have better bullets, then those better bullets are
better in the nine milimeter too.
Speaker 4 (36:05):
That's true, no doubt.
Speaker 3 (36:08):
But if you're saying, but I really want something small,
I really want something easy to work. I want something
that'll go into a hip pocket or a front pocket,
then these little three eighties and Rubert did kind of
and they didn't start the whole deal, but they probably
made it really popular with the LCP, which is a
teeny tiny little pistol. And of course then now they
(36:30):
have the LCP Max, which I think is an excellent pistol.
It is two or three generations better than the original LCP,
and I like those, but the LCP Max is so
much better. A lot of our opportunity out there, a
lot of options, so just frud for thought. Let's see
here we do have Sean. Let's get Sean back in
(36:54):
here from Lewis and Colorado. Hey Sean, Hey, hey Sean, Sean,
do me a favor.
Speaker 4 (37:04):
Take me off that speaker phone. Sorry, yeah, it sounds terrible.
Speaker 15 (37:12):
Okay, let me get to it just one second here.
Speaker 5 (37:18):
Can you hear me now?
Speaker 4 (37:20):
Much better? Thank you, sir? Go ahead?
Speaker 15 (37:23):
Okay, So you asked it, would I buy a machine gun?
First of all, if it's available, I'm going to get
an M two forty nine saw if it Yes, sir, Yes,
And that was kind of what I was going to
piggyback on. That would be on my Christmas list if
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there was. If the it was available before Christmas.
Speaker 4 (37:48):
Man, wouldn't that be something then? Of course? You know
the deal there though.
Speaker 3 (37:51):
Getting one of those is like buying a great day
and now you have to feed it exactly.
Speaker 15 (37:56):
And I have tons of five, five, six, and they
do take so I could definitely go through a ton
of p mags.
Speaker 4 (38:04):
There you go. I like that idea.
Speaker 3 (38:07):
So are there any other machine guns that you would
like to own?
Speaker 15 (38:12):
I would love love to have the mod Uce as well.
All's been a favorite and it just keeps working and
it's been in service for over one hundred years.
Speaker 4 (38:23):
Amazing. Yeah, you know, Okay, I got a weird one.
Speaker 3 (38:26):
I'd like the P forty nine millimeter submachine gun slow
cyclic rate. It's kind of like a pup up up,
up up up, really really easy to operate, and I've
I've shot them, I've had other people shoot them, and
everybody shoots it. Well, if you could get a modern
(38:48):
version of that, that would be fun. Look, thank you
for the call. I appreciate that, sir.
Speaker 4 (38:53):
You know, would that be fun? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (38:55):
What is there a practical use for it?
Speaker 4 (39:00):
And too crazy? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (39:01):
They could be if things got really weird and the
stuff hits the fan, sure, why not. At least select
fire wouldn't be a bad thing. And yet you got
to have a lot of AMMO. That's okay, I'm all
in favor of buying a lot of AMMO.
Speaker 4 (39:16):
That would be the other thing to have in your list. Ah.
Speaker 3 (39:19):
Yes, I would like for you to get me a
thousand rounds of this caliber. If he's a friend, he'll
do it for you. If we're talking about would you
want a machine gun. If we remove the NFA restrictions
on any machine guns, got rid of the tacks, and
the prices came down significantly. My answer is yes, but
(39:43):
clearly I don't know that much about them because I
don't own any. I have friends who have them, I
don't a lot of them. I don't even know the
correct nomenclature for them. I just do like to shoot them,
and they're okay with me shooting them as long as
I'll bring my own AMMO, and that seems fair.
Speaker 4 (40:01):
Here's another thought.
Speaker 3 (40:02):
If you're thinking of gifts to give friends and relatives,
maybe membership in gun rights groups. Get them a membership
in Second Amendment Foundation, Fire's Policy Coalition, Gun Owners of America. Yes,
even the NRA, because I think it's worthwhile. We'll have
more about that as we go along with the show today.
(40:25):
If they are already member, maybe get get my life membership.
Speaker 4 (40:29):
Just a thought.
Speaker 3 (40:32):
Members of your family, Yeah, sure, why wouldn't you. They
get the benefit of being a member, and sometimes, like
if you're a member of a Second Amendment Foundation, you
get covered in some of these court cases where they say, okay,
you can carry in post offices, but only if you're
a member of the groups that sued on this case.
(40:53):
Oh okay, just a thought.
Speaker 4 (40:58):
Here's a drill to try. Just gonna switch on for
a second.
Speaker 3 (41:02):
I mentioned shooting at the three by five card a
three by three post it sticker five yards. If you
can't hit it all the time, try this get you
a bunch of dummy rounds. First off, I just want
you to be shooting the drug gun dry so that
every time it goes click, the sites don't move it all.
(41:24):
Don't move it all. Now you mix dummy rounds in
with your live rounds, and it's gonna go bang. Sometimes
it's gonna go click. Sometimes. The goal here is that
when it surprises you and goes click, you see no
movement of the sights whatsoever. When you achieve that, when
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you're going when it goes click and you get no
move of the sights, when it goes bang, the bullet
will go right through the middle of a three by
three inch post it note at five yards. Done, it's over.
You have mastered the whole thing. And when you can
do that, now you've got the feel like this is
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what it feels like to make a really good shot,
because the reason that you're missing is not because you're unsteady.
It's not because you're not holding sites. It's because you're
yanking the trigger. It's about one hundred and five percent
of the time, that's the reason. And when you stop
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yanking the trigger anticipating in recoil, you start making hits.
There are some other ways to get there, but I
think this is one of the best ones. For ten bucks,
get yourself a half a dozen dummy rounds. Those are
inert rounds that mix in with your other amo and
put them in the magazine of your pistol. And you
don't know when it's going to go bang and when
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it's going to go click, and you're trying to avoid
the embarrassment of when it goes click, you see the
pistol jerk down and go oh. People say, I'm not
jerking the trigger really, And then when it goes.
Speaker 4 (43:03):
Click and they yank it down, you go, oh.
Speaker 3 (43:06):
Maybe I am. Yet you know why you don't know
about it. It's because the recoil covers up your yank.
But when you get that dummy around in there and
it goes click, there's no recoil to cover it up.
And the first time it happens you'll go, whoa man, now,
yank the sight's a way off, and now it's like, oh,
that's embarrassing. So I'm just going to do this so
(43:27):
that when it goes click and you keep thinking these
time it's you're gonna go click. It's not going to
go bang. It's just gonna go click. Don't you dare.
Let those sights move, follow through, keep those sights on
the target even after.
Speaker 4 (43:37):
It goes click.
Speaker 3 (43:39):
And then when it goes bang and you let your
focus go back to the target, you go, look.
Speaker 4 (43:44):
At that right through the middle.
Speaker 3 (43:47):
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All right, back with you here, Tom Gresham, it's a
gun Talk eight sixty six.
Speaker 4 (00:34):
Talk Gun or Tom Talkgun. We'll get you in.
Speaker 3 (00:37):
I want to bring up we have a really ever
talked about Second amendic cases and things that are going
on over the last few weeks, but other things going on,
but you know, time marches on and so do the cases.
And we have one that it's like the never ending
Second Amendment case, and now it's back and maybe in.
Speaker 4 (00:55):
Front of the Supreme Court.
Speaker 3 (00:57):
We're joined by Chuck Mischell from Michelle and Associates and
the College for your Rifle and Pistol Association. Chuck, you're
one of the leadings that con Amendment attorneys in the country.
This case the Duncan vi Banta case. I asked you before,
this thing just seems like it's been here forever. And
then I looked, was it like twenty seventeen this case started.
Speaker 5 (01:16):
Yeah, this case has got a lot of a lot
of whiskers. It's old. They's been tried twice and this
is now it's in the Supreme Court for the second time.
Speaker 3 (01:24):
This is the California magazine ban.
Speaker 5 (01:28):
Ban on possession of magazines that can hold over ten rounds.
Speaker 3 (01:30):
Yeah, standard capacity magazine. So all right, So it went
through the lower court, went to the Ninth Circuit, and
then the Ninth Circuit played its typical shenanigans, got appealed,
went to the Supreme Court, got sent back down a GVR,
they call it grant vacate and reman back to the
(01:51):
Ninth Back, Yeah, back to Judge Benitez, back to we
won that one, Back to the Ninth Circuit, and they
play their silly games again. Now it's back to the
Supreme Court. Eight years in the making, right now.
Speaker 5 (02:07):
Yes, and a whole lot of money. And even though
we you know, we get very discounted nonprofit rates to
the clients. And I got to give a hat tip
to NRA and CRPA, they both contributed to this case.
But now it's back.
Speaker 4 (02:22):
There and.
Speaker 5 (02:24):
Hopefully this is a case that the Supreme Court will
find attractive.
Speaker 3 (02:27):
Well, and we're talking in the middle of the week,
and then this morning the Supreme Court says, yeah, we
were going to send it to committee or conference and
where they discussed which cases are going to take. And
now they say, well, we're going to move it to
another conference. But they haven't actually stay in which one.
Normally they'll say it's going to the next conference, but
not this time.
Speaker 5 (02:48):
Correct. They usually just postpone it a week and sometimes
they postpone it, you know, fifteen weeks in a row.
That's not unusual. Yeah, but in this case, they just
rescheduled it, which which might be good news, might be
bad news. The good news would be that they just
need more time to study the record because it's a
you know, eight years worth of record and they want
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to prepare more for the discussion at the conference. Or
it might be that they're actually going to you know,
there's like twenty eight cases. They have two Second Amendment
cases that they've taken, they've granted served on one dealing
with prohibitive people who use drugs and canon guns and
one dealing with the vampire rule out of Hawaii Sensitive
Places case. But there's like twenty five other cases that
(03:35):
have asked the Supreme Court to hear them, including a
magazine case. But that magazine case doesn't have anywhere near
the developed That other magazine case doesn't have any near
anywhere near the developed record that the Duncan case does.
But they might be just stacking them. They might be
having you know, Second Amendment day where they're going to
deal with all these cases at one time and figure
out which ones they should take.
Speaker 3 (03:55):
Well, okay, so help me out here, because how does
that work. Not going to say, oh, gee, we've got
twenty five second inmic cases, We're going to take them
all and put them all together.
Speaker 4 (04:04):
That's not a possibility.
Speaker 3 (04:06):
So what do they do They like pick and choose
one or two and then I mean, what happens to
the rest of them?
Speaker 5 (04:12):
Well, that's a good question. Some of them they're probably
going to just deny cert flat out because they're not
well developed enough, or they think the issue has been decided,
or the lawyers that are on the cases they don't
they don't really think they're going to do as good
of a job. So they're the Supreme Court. They can
do anything they want, So they can just hold all
those cases until they decide, you know, which cases are
(04:36):
best suited for them to decide some of the issues,
and the main issues are usually what's the prohibited Can
they prohibit a certain hardware, whether it's a semi aut
or a magazine or a or a whatever part. Then
there's prohibited people. That's where you got the drug users?
Can can nonviolent drug users be banned from especially cannabis,
(04:57):
be banned from possessing firearms? And got prohibited places? These
are the three main categories of gun bands that the
Bloomberg folks are pushing in.
Speaker 3 (05:06):
It's people, places and things again exactly. This is actually
different because this year they've already agreed to take two
second infic cases.
Speaker 4 (05:16):
Is it likely they would take yet another one?
Speaker 5 (05:20):
Well, ordinarily I'd say no, but there's a lot of
pent up demand because the Wolford case is a place's case.
The I'm forgetting the name of it right now because
of an h but it's the case that's a prohibited persons,
that's a person's case. They don't have a things case yet.
Speaker 3 (05:41):
Yeah, so the magazine ban would be a theme case.
They could do that one. All right, let's do this now.
I want to go back to There's two names I
want you to bring up, because you're very well familiar
with them.
Speaker 4 (05:53):
Just Beneathez and Judge Van Dyck.
Speaker 3 (05:57):
These two people have been doing yeomen's work in terms
of supporting the Second Amendment.
Speaker 6 (06:02):
Everybody should lay a prayer candle to bost of those guys.
And Judge McLean in Illinois too. Yeah, exactly a few
shining stars out there. J mc glenn's still district court,
the trial court. But there's a few shining stars out there.
I'm probably missing several, but you zero it in on
Benitez and Van Dyke, and those are two stars.
Speaker 4 (06:22):
They really are when you read some of the decisions
you go on, I mean.
Speaker 5 (06:24):
They get it. They get it, and they're not they're
faithful to the Bruin methodology, and so many courts aren't
well in games with it.
Speaker 4 (06:31):
That's really what's going on.
Speaker 3 (06:33):
You had the Brewin case, which was a landmark case,
and a lot of the court judges and even the
circuit courts are just saying, yeah, we understand what it says,
but we don't like it, so we're going to go
the other way, even though we're required to honor the
Bruin decisis, we're just not going to do it right.
Speaker 5 (06:52):
Well, or they just twisted it, and so they've what
they've done is they've taken the whole. The first step
in the Bruin analysis is supposed to be is it
covered by the language the right to keep in their arms?
And that's so? And then so what they said in
Duncan is well, a magazine is not an arm. It's
not even covered by the Second Amendment at all. So
we don't even need to go to the next step,
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which is whether or not there's some kind of historical
law that indicates the founding fathers would have tolerated the
modern day law, some analog law, right, And that's that's
supposed to be the tests.
Speaker 3 (07:24):
The first part, A magazine is not an arm, so
go away. This early isn't a second memdent case at all.
Speaker 5 (07:30):
Yes, and they did that with fully auto, they did
with suppressors. They this is the this is the the
devilish little trick, the little you know, change the rules
that because you don't like what the Supreme Court ruled
and uh, and don't even bother having the second part
of the question, which is whether or not there's a
historical analog law that would justify the modern day law.
(07:53):
So they just avoid the whole debate. And they love
to do that because once you move on to whether
or not there's a historical law, the burden shifts to
the state, to the government to show that there is one,
and so it's harder for the state to strike to
uphold the law because of that burden of proof.
Speaker 3 (08:12):
They don't want to get to that point. Did they
just shut it off before it gets there.
Speaker 5 (08:15):
It's a inconvenient little way. That's the short circuit the
debate and avoid the issues.
Speaker 3 (08:20):
Well, the Supreme Court, in your judgment, at some point
say we've had enough of this snantigans. We told you
what it is and you're ignoring us. Could they come
back and say, basically, knock it off and start doing
this the right way.
Speaker 5 (08:35):
And from your lips to God's ears. That is what
we are hoping, And there's signs that they that they're
at least three, if not four, of the judges are
thinking that way. It's time to slap these lower courts
down because they are being disingenuous, to put it kindly,
(08:56):
in how they interpret the Brewer decision, and Alito and
Thomas have expressed their frustration. That's another way to put
it kindly, with what the lower courts are doing, right,
you know, so there needs to be a SmackDown here
from the Supreme Court so that these lower courts can't
keep getting away, especially the Nine Circuit, but others two seconds,
(09:17):
I can't keep getting away with these games.
Speaker 3 (09:20):
To your point, where we started was this case. That
Duncan case is eight years in the making, but all
way up to the Supreme Court twice now costing millions
of dollars, literally millions of dollars. It takes money to
do this stuff.
Speaker 5 (09:36):
Oh yeah, I mean, you know my firm, we have
some of the We charge nonprofit rates well below market rates,
but it still adds up. It takes time. There's so
many If only this is what was so beautiful about
preliminary injunctions. You could get to the substantive issue fast
so it didn't take as much work. But now if
you have to go to trial and put on a
(09:56):
put on evidence and experts and testimony like that, it
takes hours and hours to do and so even at
my nonprofit rates, it adds up fast.
Speaker 4 (10:07):
Oh yeah, that's a lot of pillable hours.
Speaker 3 (10:09):
Exactly right, I mean, And that's where I come in
where I say, are you folks out there you say
you want to do something for the Second Amendment? That
open up your wallets because this is how the work's
getting done, and it takes money to make it happen.
It's as simple as that.
Speaker 5 (10:22):
And again I got to give a hat tip to
the NRA on helping out on Duncan, and they also
help out on the Roady case, which is the ammunition
background checkcase. But there's all the other cases that CRPA
has going in California now, there's like a dozen where
we are fighting for people, places and things, yep, in
multiple different contexts. Not to mention the ongoing battle which
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you're seeing now in New York State and in California,
particularly where they drag their feet on issuing ccw's trying
to make people give up because they don't want to
work their way through all the red tape to get
the license. You know, these are the this is the
blue resistance. I mean, this is a passive. It's not passive.
It's the aggressive, aggressive way to frustrate people so that
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they don't exercise their rights. Because at the end of
the day, if we get ccw's issued quickly and not
too expensively, and we get you know, five one million,
two million people in California with ccw's, that normalizes it
just like it has been done in all the other states.
Then people aren't afraid of guns because politicians capitalize on
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people who don't understand the issues enough being afraid.
Speaker 3 (11:31):
And that changes the culture. And when you change the culture,
policy follows behind that exactly. Jack, Michelle, thank you so
much for your time. It's Michelle and Associates, California Rifle
On Pistol Association. If you if you live in California,
used to belong to that group, and if you don't
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It makes that much different.
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So you really should, because what starts here. You know,
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Hi, I'm Kim Rody from California.
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Speaker 4 (14:28):
That's Kim Rody, the Rody case.
Speaker 3 (14:31):
Actually, I think Chuck Chelle just to mention that that's
the one on California's restrictions on buying ammunition. And Kim
Rody was the lead plaintiff in that six Olympic medals
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Besides that, she's a nice person too. Our number is
eight sixty six. Talk Gun or Tom Talk Gun. Give
me hollow our open lines. If for some put on
your mind you want to talk about questions on the floor.
Are things you'd like to have on your Christmas gift
list or maybe things you'd buy for somebody else. I
have a question for you. Do you have, I mean
(15:14):
maybe crazy idea? Do you have a favorite gun cleaning item?
Could be a cleaner of blube, a solvent, a tool,
something I don't know what it is, but something that
makes your life easier and better when you're cleaning guns.
Speaker 4 (15:34):
Just wandering. Here's the thought.
Speaker 3 (15:37):
We got a generation of people that may never have
shot a revolver, don't own a revolver. Might not be
a bad thing to add to your lineup of fine
arms and your skill set. And there's some really nice
revolvers being made today. Whether you get like a little
(16:01):
e DC every day carry snubby or a little bit
larger one, or even a really big one, or a
single action revolver cowboy style, and you can go all
the way up to like a freend of arms, get
a four fifty four cassole twenty five hundred bucks or
so for a revolver. You don't have to do that,
(16:22):
of course, but I'm just saying you could you wanted
to just kind of interesting, you know. Oh here's a thought,
just thinking about this in terms of giving rather than
you getting as two thirs coming to mind. One is
it if you, like me, you got a safe full
(16:43):
of guns, some of you haven't shot in quite a while.
Maybe you think one of those old ones out and
give it to a member of your family, or maybe
even just somebody you know, doesn't even have to be
a member of your family, if it's somebody who has
very little experience. You know what ought to go with
that gun, don't you? You mentoring teaching them to shoot?
(17:08):
Teach them to shoot safely, responsibly, in a way that
doesn't scare them and doesn't hurt them. Maybe starting with
a twenty two or maybe a class. I do like
the idea of giving people a class. I don't know,
do we have fickyback?
Speaker 5 (17:26):
We do?
Speaker 3 (17:27):
Oh, okay, we don't yet. Okay, we're trying to get
our on phone. Okay. You may talk to people you
know about the subject, can say, look, do you have
a gun for self defense? And a lot of times
you're going to find. Yeah, I do, I haven't shot
it in many years. Okay, maybe your gift is, hey,
(17:48):
let's go to the range. Let's see what you have.
Because you look, if you're listening to this, it's about
a fifty to fifty chance you are the mentor, you're
the person who knows things about guns. You could take
that person to the range, help her with her gun,
help her learn to shoot it, maybe find some get
(18:10):
some fresh AMMO for it, and maybe the process discover
that maybe it's not the right gun. Maybe you know,
maybe it's not something that he or she's had for
many many years, was handed down given to them, and
you go.
Speaker 4 (18:25):
Well, you know that that.
Speaker 3 (18:28):
Little snubby is kind of hard to shoot. Well, here,
let me show you this one. And that's where it
becomes fun to go. Look, I brought half a dozen
guns out here. Let's shoot some of them. See which
ones you like. Let's try a few different things here.
The other thing I would offer is that, oh, yeah, Vicky, okay,
(18:49):
let's do this. Let's grab Vicki. She's out of Missouri. VICKI,
thank you for hanging in there with us. We're glad
to get you back in here.
Speaker 4 (18:56):
How can we help you today, Well, let.
Speaker 13 (18:58):
Me give you the background for this. My husband got
me years ago to shoot with a twelve gage shot
gun from the head and I could buy bus pop
cans all over the side of a mountain. Unfortunately, he
passed away and my son's grandsons and sons.
Speaker 14 (19:14):
Got all the guns.
Speaker 13 (19:16):
So they brought me a handgun with titan tiger. I
call it my elephant gun.
Speaker 4 (19:25):
Okay.
Speaker 13 (19:25):
I'm eighty five years old, one hundred and twenty six
pounds and five foot one, oh boy, and it is
heavier than a rock.
Speaker 4 (19:36):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (19:36):
But you know what, Vicky, you sound spunky to me.
I think you could handle something. If we got you
into the right gun, I best you could do it.
Speaker 13 (19:43):
Well, what I'm interested in is something with an easy slide.
My wrists are not as strong. My hands and wrists
are not as strong as they used to be.
Speaker 3 (19:54):
Okay, I'm laughing. Not because it's something you said, Well,
it is kind of something you said because you said
you want an easy slide. Smith and Weston makes a
pistol called.
Speaker 14 (20:03):
The Easy Yeah, I know.
Speaker 4 (20:06):
Okay, and what I would.
Speaker 3 (20:07):
Recommend is looking at the shield easy, but not in
nine millimeter.
Speaker 5 (20:15):
They have.
Speaker 3 (20:16):
They also make it in the three eighty caliber. And
that slide is so easy to work. You would, I know,
you would have no trouble at all work on that slide.
Speaker 13 (20:28):
You don't think huh.
Speaker 3 (20:30):
I think you can handle it. It's called the Smith
and Western shield. Easy and get it in three eighty
not nine millimeters, but three eighty. And all right, I'm
gonna teach you how to work a slide here right
here on the radio. Okay, we'll teaching the right way
to do it. If you had your right hand out,
do you shoot right handed, by the way, yes, okay,
(20:51):
you got the gun in your right hand, all right.
Imagine you got your gun on your right hand. You
take your left hand and you hold it over the
top of the gun, don't touch it yet, and you're
at alm is open and your thumbs pointed back towards
your body.
Speaker 4 (21:02):
All right, you got that image all right?
Speaker 3 (21:05):
Now with that left hand, keeping your finger, your right
finger straight, not on the trigger, but straight along the
side of the gun. You wrap your left hand around
the slide. So now you're holding the pistol on your
right hand and the slide in your left hand. You
bring it back the whole thing back and close to
your body. And then in one motion you're going to
shove forward with your right hand and pull backwards with
(21:26):
your left hand like you're trying to rip that slide
off of it. It's a push pull sh and it's
going to be so easy. Now you're using the big
muscles and not the little muscles of your fingers, and
you're using the big muscles. So that left hand flat
with palm flat, with a thumb pointing back at you,
wraps around the slide and with your right hand you
(21:47):
shove forward and with your left hand you wreck it back.
I'll guarantee you you can work that slide that way
and have no problem at all. So look for a
smith the weston Easy in three eighty and try that method.
And if you can get to a shooting range where
they have an instructor and by an hour of shooting construction,
I think you would find it to be really worthwhile.
(22:09):
But congratulations on making it to eighty five. We should
all be so lucky, and we should all be so
lucky to be as spunky as you are.
Speaker 4 (22:15):
Wow, Vicky is tearing it up out there. Thank you
so much for the call that was terrific.
Speaker 3 (22:20):
I'm glad I was able to get that in because
I was just thinking about that, the whole idea of
that somebody who's having trouble, you can teach them, or
you can get them the right kind of gun, because
a lot of times they do, in fact have the
wrong guy.
Speaker 4 (22:40):
Okay, this is funny.
Speaker 3 (22:41):
About twenty minutes ago, as I'm doing the show and
my email pops up an email from Smith and Wesson
a promotional deal. I did not know about this one,
but this is one of the more fun guns you
can get.
Speaker 4 (22:53):
The M and P fifteen twenty two. It's a twenty two.
Speaker 3 (22:57):
Rim fire rifle that's an AR and I mean he's
the same fire control, trigger mechanism, all the rest of it.
You're just shooting twenty two in fire in an AR.
I don't I remember. They're like in the four hundred
dollars range. But they've got a promotion going fifty or
seventy five dollars back. Let's see looking at this here
(23:19):
long gun Holiday rebate. Yeah, so you get up to
one hundred dollars. This says a rebate prepaid card for
a purchase when you purchase Smith and Wesson long gun. Okay, cool,
So you go to Smithwestern dot com take a look
at that. Didn't know about that one, but that just
popped up on our subject today of guns for Christmas
(23:39):
and the holidays. Speaking of that, let's go grab Robert
Line one out of Arkansas. Hey Robert, you made it
to gun Talk.
Speaker 14 (23:48):
Hey Tom, I've made it here several times and I
love the show, been a listener for years. Hey, well
you're welcome. Thank you.
Speaker 15 (23:57):
Now.
Speaker 14 (23:57):
My question is my wife said, which we spoke about,
fad because I found my pistol that she claimed.
Speaker 12 (24:07):
Uh, but I have.
Speaker 14 (24:11):
It was the first one that I ever actually had
it in my ends. Anyway, I am divesting myself between
daughters and grandchildren of various comings, and I'm it was
brought up to me that that was illegal to do, and.
Speaker 5 (24:34):
I just wanted to make.
Speaker 14 (24:35):
Sure, I mean, the d is done. I just want
to know, if you know, if there can be charges
throw again?
Speaker 4 (24:42):
Yeah, yeah, no, no, no, no, okay.
Speaker 12 (24:44):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (24:44):
The way it works is this, if it's already done,
it's done. Don't worry about it. Still, you're not if
you're not giving them to people who are prohibited from
owning guns not conducted felons and then you'll probably just
find However, there are state laws that govern this in
federal laws, if they're in your state, you can give
them to them directly. If they're out of your state,
(25:08):
And again that horse left the barn on this deal.
Speaker 4 (25:10):
But this is just for future use.
Speaker 3 (25:12):
What you should do is have the gun go through
a dealer to transfer to somebody in another state, and
that is you could send it to a gun store
where they live, and then they just go in and
do the paperwork and then they've got the gun if
it is a minor. Oh, and understand that in some states,
I mean, it's like it gets to be more complicated.
(25:33):
You know, if you live in Massachusetts or New York,
then it's a mess and do a transfer to them.
But I guess what I'm saying is that just know
the state laws, but it's really not complicated.
Speaker 4 (25:46):
And if you are.
Speaker 3 (25:49):
Transferring to them in another state, you should go through
a gun store or a federal farm's license in that state.
Speaker 4 (25:57):
Does that help?
Speaker 14 (26:00):
Now, my grandchildren are all minors, but I did not
bequeath them directly to the grandchildren. I give them to
my daughter in her thirty They were given to them
when they're eighteen and nobody is out of state.
Speaker 3 (26:15):
Pert, Oh you're good to go. Yeah, no reason at all. Yeah,
it's an easy deal. You did it right, and good
for you and doing that so much better to do
it while you can tell them the stories and tell
them about the guns, then for them to get it
in the estate and going on, well what do you
do with this and go no, no, no, here's this gun
that I got it this time, I did this and
(26:36):
you could actually go out and shoot the guns with
them too.
Speaker 14 (26:39):
Yes, and that is the plan. I'm down with three guns,
That's all I'm saying. But I'm looking at a sixteen gage.
Speaker 3 (26:50):
You're my kind of guys, like, yeah, mine gotting the
three guys. And before I could even say, well you
know what that means, you got to go get another one,
you're already on the hunt.
Speaker 12 (27:00):
I've got it.
Speaker 3 (27:04):
I like the way you think there. Look, thank you
so much for the call. I appreciate that. Fun stuff.
Let's do this, guys. Let's take a quick break here, Joe,
don't going to where we're going to get to you
as soon as we come back, because you've got a
good point to make here. Our number here is eight
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Speaker 3 (29:43):
And by the way, to Vicky you called a while ago.
If you're still listening, Michelle brought up something you might
want to go to a shooting range that rents guns
and try two or three different ones and see if
there's one there you like. It's a really good idea.
And I like the idea of saying, look, do you
have an instructor who can check me out into or
(30:05):
three different guns and buy a half an hour or
an hour's time with an instructor and rent a few guns.
And now you don't have to actually buy it and
say yes I like it or yes or no I
don't this idea. I like the idea. Thank you, Michelle,
let's see Joe's in Lewis and North Dakota. Joe, you
got an idea about guns that are are pistols that
(30:26):
are easy to rack.
Speaker 12 (30:29):
That is correct. Thank you for taking my call. I've
called multiple times that this first time I've gotten through.
Speaker 4 (30:36):
Oh, I'm glad.
Speaker 12 (30:36):
Every time I hear somebody talking about an easy slide,
I have never found one better than the Sake Sour
P two thirty eight, which is a three eighty ACP.
It is you know, sorry, go.
Speaker 3 (30:53):
Ahead, No, it's it's small. I mean you know that.
I assume you have one.
Speaker 12 (31:00):
Well I have three of them. Yeah, every time I
go outside, I have that one in my back pocket.
You can the safety. You can make sure the safety
is on with your thumb instead the one that goes
back and forth. It's up and down, so you can
always verify that it's in the safety position. You get
(31:20):
the pinky extension, which gives you an extra one extra round.
It's really difficult to shoot without that pinky extension, and
it's not designed for guys in big hands, yep. But
it is very easily accessible, very easily to hide. It's
got some weight to it, so there's like and being
(31:41):
at three eighty, it's practically no recoil. But the fact
is that you can. Oh, and it comes with at
least all three of mine. You anyway, the I forgot
what it's called the tactical site, so you could chamber around.
I always keep on chambered in anyway, but you could
chamber it on your pocket while you're backing down and
(32:04):
have your hand out. You could chamber it with one hand.
Speaker 3 (32:08):
Yes, it's got some good sights on it, and the
slide is so easy to work.
Speaker 4 (32:13):
You can, and I've done this.
Speaker 3 (32:14):
You can actually put your index finger on the rear
site and flip the slide back with your index finger
on the side. Just flip it back and work the
slide that way. That's how easy it is to work.
Speaker 12 (32:28):
So, I mean, everybody talks about the Smith and West
and Easy slide, which is a pretty easy slide, but
I don't think it's as easy as the six hour p.
Two thirty eight. Not to mention this Smith and West
and one has a wide grip and most of the
people that have difficulties don't have big hands.
Speaker 4 (32:47):
And so yeah, a good point.
Speaker 3 (32:50):
Yeah, no, no, no, this is a this is a
really good point you're making it, and then the we're
talking about the six hour P. Two thirty eight is
in three eighty and it comes different colors, different designs.
Speaker 4 (33:02):
You left out.
Speaker 3 (33:02):
One of the things I think is one of the
more important parts of this is this pistol comes with
a really good trigger because it essentially is a Micro
nineteen eleven.
Speaker 7 (33:12):
Right, yeah, I would.
Speaker 12 (33:17):
I don't have a nineteen eleven myself. I'm an h
and KVP nine fan. I have eight of them.
Speaker 3 (33:24):
Well, you kind of do have a nineteen eleven if
you got P. Two thirty eights, because this is like
the nineteen eleven I got left in the dryer too long, so.
Speaker 12 (33:35):
Trunk got it, Okay. I just I know that the
Ruger has one of the most beneficial price range ones
for three eighties. But the slide is not that easy.
It's about the same exact size the for the the
(33:56):
slide release. I don't have to move my hand use
the second hand to release his fight on the P
two thirty eight. It just it's just such a great gun,
and they're very it's a shooter.
Speaker 4 (34:10):
It's a shooter. I've shot them.
Speaker 3 (34:12):
They really surprised you how accurate you are the other
thing it has, and you mentioned it, but I wanted
to make the point A lot of people really like
a manual safety, particularly on small guns, and this has
a regular thumb safety, just like a nineteen eleven, and
it's a good positive thumb safety that you can actually
get your hand on, your thumb on and work it.
(34:32):
So yeah, I like the idea of the P two
thirty eight. As you say, if you can find it,
they're not inexpensive, but it's the quality gun that you'd have.
Speaker 4 (34:41):
For a lifetime. So thank you for bringing that up.
Speaker 3 (34:43):
I had forgotten that one when I talk about the
lineup of the guns that are easy to shoot, and
thank you for the call. The other thing I would say,
and I know that particularly among older shooters, the three
eighty has a bad reputation. I wouldn't use that for
self defense. Well really, honestly, the bad reputation from the
(35:06):
three eighty comes from the old days when all anybody
had was non expanding full metal jacket bullets. She would
talk about less powerful and it's poking holes. Well, the
nine milimeter I used full metal jacket for that, and
the forty five they use full metal jacket for that,
(35:26):
and that's why they like the forty five, because it
just made up.
Speaker 4 (35:29):
If you're going to poke a hole, let's poke a
bigger hole.
Speaker 3 (35:32):
But now we have some AMMO that's designed for self
defense with really good expanding bullets, or like in the
case of the Blackhill's Ammo Honey Badger, those bullets don't
have to expand to be effective in self defense. It's
a completely different design. So the three eighty becomes a
(35:53):
viable alternative. And I know people say, well, you know,
if we have better bullets, then those better bullets are
better in the nine milimeter too.
Speaker 4 (36:05):
That's true, no doubt.
Speaker 3 (36:08):
But if you're saying, but I really want something small,
I really want something easy to work. I want something
that'll go into a hip pocket or a front pocket,
then these little three eighties and Rubert did kind of
and they didn't start the whole deal, but they probably
made it really popular with the LCP, which is a
teeny tiny little pistol. And of course then now they
(36:30):
have the LCP Max, which I think is an excellent pistol.
It is two or three generations better than the original LCP,
and I like those, but the LCP Max is so
much better. A lot of our opportunity out there, a
lot of options, so just frud for thought. Let's see
here we do have Sean. Let's get Sean back in
(36:54):
here from Lewis and Colorado. Hey Sean, Hey, hey Sean, Sean,
do me a favor.
Speaker 4 (37:04):
Take me off that speaker phone. Sorry, yeah, it sounds terrible.
Speaker 15 (37:12):
Okay, let me get to it just one second here.
Speaker 5 (37:18):
Can you hear me now?
Speaker 4 (37:20):
Much better? Thank you, sir? Go ahead?
Speaker 15 (37:23):
Okay, So you asked it, would I buy a machine gun?
First of all, if it's available, I'm going to get
an M two forty nine saw if it Yes, sir, Yes,
And that was kind of what I was going to
piggyback on. That would be on my Christmas list if
(37:43):
there was. If the it was available before Christmas.
Speaker 4 (37:48):
Man, wouldn't that be something then? Of course? You know
the deal there though.
Speaker 3 (37:51):
Getting one of those is like buying a great day
and now you have to feed it exactly.
Speaker 15 (37:56):
And I have tons of five, five, six, and they
do take so I could definitely go through a ton
of p mags.
Speaker 4 (38:04):
There you go. I like that idea.
Speaker 3 (38:07):
So are there any other machine guns that you would
like to own?
Speaker 15 (38:12):
I would love love to have the mod Uce as well.
All's been a favorite and it just keeps working and
it's been in service for over one hundred years.
Speaker 4 (38:23):
Amazing. Yeah, you know, Okay, I got a weird one.
Speaker 3 (38:26):
I'd like the P forty nine millimeter submachine gun slow
cyclic rate. It's kind of like a pup up up,
up up up, really really easy to operate, and I've
I've shot them, I've had other people shoot them, and
everybody shoots it. Well, if you could get a modern
(38:48):
version of that, that would be fun. Look, thank you
for the call. I appreciate that, sir.
Speaker 4 (38:53):
You know, would that be fun? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (38:55):
What is there a practical use for it?
Speaker 4 (39:00):
And too crazy? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (39:01):
They could be if things got really weird and the
stuff hits the fan, sure, why not. At least select
fire wouldn't be a bad thing. And yet you got
to have a lot of AMMO. That's okay, I'm all
in favor of buying a lot of AMMO.
Speaker 4 (39:16):
That would be the other thing to have in your list. Ah.
Speaker 3 (39:19):
Yes, I would like for you to get me a
thousand rounds of this caliber. If he's a friend, he'll
do it for you. If we're talking about would you
want a machine gun. If we remove the NFA restrictions
on any machine guns, got rid of the tacks, and
the prices came down significantly. My answer is yes, but
(39:43):
clearly I don't know that much about them because I
don't own any. I have friends who have them, I
don't a lot of them. I don't even know the
correct nomenclature for them. I just do like to shoot them,
and they're okay with me shooting them as long as
I'll bring my own AMMO, and that seems fair.
Speaker 4 (40:01):
Here's another thought.
Speaker 3 (40:02):
If you're thinking of gifts to give friends and relatives,
maybe membership in gun rights groups. Get them a membership
in Second Amendment Foundation, Fire's Policy Coalition, Gun Owners of America. Yes,
even the NRA, because I think it's worthwhile. We'll have
more about that as we go along with the show today.
(40:25):
If they are already member, maybe get get my life membership.
Speaker 4 (40:29):
Just a thought.
Speaker 3 (40:32):
Members of your family, Yeah, sure, why wouldn't you. They
get the benefit of being a member, and sometimes, like
if you're a member of a Second Amendment Foundation, you
get covered in some of these court cases where they say, okay,
you can carry in post offices, but only if you're
a member of the groups that sued on this case.
(40:53):
Oh okay, just a thought.
Speaker 4 (40:58):
Here's a drill to try. Just gonna switch on for
a second.
Speaker 3 (41:02):
I mentioned shooting at the three by five card a
three by three post it sticker five yards. If you
can't hit it all the time, try this get you
a bunch of dummy rounds. First off, I just want
you to be shooting the drug gun dry so that
every time it goes click, the sites don't move it all.
(41:24):
Don't move it all. Now you mix dummy rounds in
with your live rounds, and it's gonna go bang. Sometimes
it's gonna go click. Sometimes. The goal here is that
when it surprises you and goes click, you see no
movement of the sights whatsoever. When you achieve that, when
(41:46):
you're going when it goes click and you get no
move of the sights, when it goes bang, the bullet
will go right through the middle of a three by
three inch post it note at five yards. Done, it's over.
You have mastered the whole thing. And when you can
do that, now you've got the feel like this is
(42:08):
what it feels like to make a really good shot,
because the reason that you're missing is not because you're unsteady.
It's not because you're not holding sites. It's because you're
yanking the trigger. It's about one hundred and five percent
of the time, that's the reason. And when you stop
(42:28):
yanking the trigger anticipating in recoil, you start making hits.
There are some other ways to get there, but I
think this is one of the best ones. For ten bucks,
get yourself a half a dozen dummy rounds. Those are
inert rounds that mix in with your other amo and
put them in the magazine of your pistol. And you
don't know when it's going to go bang and when
(42:50):
it's going to go click, and you're trying to avoid
the embarrassment of when it goes click, you see the
pistol jerk down and go oh. People say, I'm not
jerking the trigger really, And then when it goes.
Speaker 4 (43:03):
Click and they yank it down, you go, oh.
Speaker 3 (43:06):
Maybe I am. Yet you know why you don't know
about it. It's because the recoil covers up your yank.
But when you get that dummy around in there and
it goes click, there's no recoil to cover it up.
And the first time it happens you'll go, whoa man, now,
yank the sight's a way off, and now it's like, oh,
that's embarrassing. So I'm just going to do this so
(43:27):
that when it goes click and you keep thinking these
time it's you're gonna go click. It's not going to
go bang. It's just gonna go click. Don't you dare.
Let those sights move, follow through, keep those sights on
the target even after.
Speaker 4 (43:37):
It goes click.
Speaker 3 (43:39):
And then when it goes bang and you let your
focus go back to the target, you go, look.
Speaker 4 (43:44):
At that right through the middle.
Speaker 3 (43:47):
There's your drill, there's your takeaway. There's your gift from me.
All right, eight six' six tak. Gun that'll get you in.
Here and just a, minute we want to talk about
what's actually been going on and what was going on
during The Wayne lapierre.
Speaker 4 (44:00):
Days it was uglier than you. Thought h
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