April 16, 2024 • 38 mins
Chris and Rob explain why it's crazy to suggest that the Los Angeles Lakers should tank the 7/8 play-in game to avoid facing the Denver Nuggets in round one, debate whether it's socially acceptable for a woman like Rachel Robinson (the widow to Jackie Robinson) to remarry and argue with Producer Rob G over whether or not Shai Gilgeous-Alexander deserves to win the NBA MVP award.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 3 (00:31):
All right, Rob, let's get it started. Man.
Speaker 1 (00:33):
The NBA play in is here. I told you last week.
I loved it.
Speaker 3 (00:40):
Props to Adam Silver.
Speaker 1 (00:43):
I really like to play in and the Los Angeles Lakers.
Speaker 3 (00:47):
Rob the eighth seed.
Speaker 1 (00:49):
Will visit the New Orleans Pelicans the seventh seed tomorrow
for a The winner is in at the seventh seed
and they will play the Denver Nuggets.
Speaker 3 (00:59):
The loser will play the winner. I know it sounds
it's a lot.
Speaker 1 (01:04):
But the loser of that game will play the winner
of tomorrow's nightcap between Golden State and Sacramento, and then
the winner of that game will be the eighth seed
and face Oklahoma City. Now, Rob, the Lakers have owned
the Oklahoma City they beating them three out of four.
Speaker 3 (01:25):
Games this season.
Speaker 1 (01:27):
Obviously, they've got a huge experience advantage over OKASE with
Lebron with four championships, Anthony Davis with one, and then OKC.
Rob props to SJ, Shay Gilders, Alexander and their whole
team check Holmgren and crew, because Rob, they're the youngest
number one seed in the history of the league, and
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to do it in this Western Conference, which is brutally tough,
that's impressive.
Speaker 3 (01:56):
So props to them.
Speaker 1 (01:57):
Their coach, Mark Dagnault is my Coach of the Year
on my ballot, So I think you'll win it, but
we'll see. But anyway, they have owned the Lakers the thunder,
but Denver has owned the Lakers, as we all know.
They've beaten them eight straight times, including four straight in
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the Western Conference finals last year to get to the
finals and win their first championship. And so Rob, there
is a school of thought out there, and Manuel Acho,
Mike Greenberg, stephen A didn't advocate it, but he kind
of playfully toyed with it, and you know, thought it
(02:40):
made a little sense jokingly.
Speaker 3 (02:43):
But people are throwing it out there, Rob, that.
Speaker 1 (02:47):
The Lakers should purposely lose tomorrow night and then win
of course the next game, and as the eighth seed,
they would face Oklahoma City, a team they should they
would probably be and.
Speaker 3 (03:03):
I would favor him, would pick them to win that series.
Speaker 1 (03:06):
A lot of people would rather than face Denver, where
most folk field, they have very little chance to beat
the Nuggets.
Speaker 3 (03:15):
And Rob, what is your thought on this take?
Speaker 4 (03:18):
I just I don't believe that people who competed would
really sit there and tell people not to try to win.
Speaker 5 (03:26):
I just it goes against everything, Chris.
Speaker 4 (03:29):
If you want to be champed, We've seen this a
million times, trying to avoid a certain team and then
that team just beat you. Anyway, like trying to play
that game. If you're really good and you're gonna win
a championship, you face who's ever in front of you.
You don't go into something thinking, well, we'll lose this
game on purpose. And I don't know how a professional
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athlete even gears himself. What is the conversation there? I
remember the Texans, Chris, was it the Texans would with
when they could have should have lost the game? And
Lovey Smith went forward and remember they won the game
at the end and changed their drafts position and look
what happened to them? Right, everybody said they were.
Speaker 3 (04:18):
Stupid, what are you doing? What are you doing?
Speaker 4 (04:23):
And guess what, they got the best quarterback, Chris, because
they won.
Speaker 3 (04:29):
Think about what.
Speaker 1 (04:30):
I'm saying it right, Absolutely, that's why you don't play
that game. If you're gonna dress up, put on your uniform,
Chris and go out there, you gotta give your roll
and try to win all the time.
Speaker 4 (04:44):
I just not really, let's try to lose because I
think we can beat this other team, and we don't
want to knock off Denver. If you knock off Denver, Chris,
you have a clear path.
Speaker 1 (04:54):
They knocked off Denver, I think they well, they become
the favorite in the West. That's my and I would
actually think they might win it all if they beat Denver.
Speaker 5 (05:05):
But go ahead.
Speaker 4 (05:06):
I'm just know you're right. I don't buy into this
at all, Chris. Guys really lose.
Speaker 1 (05:14):
I completely agree with you, Rob. And And here's the
other thing. You're not guaranteed to win the next game
for the eight seed, right, I mean you could easily
do that and lose. Look, Golden State has beaten the
Lakers three out of four times this year. Sacramento has
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beaten the Lakers eight of the last nine times they've played.
Anthony Davis doesn't know the feeling of beating Diamont to Saboni, right,
because he's never done it right, And so I mean
something you could just see it happening where you tank
and lose to New Orleans and then go ahead and
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lose the next game and don't even make the playoffs.
I mean, and again, I think they're better than Golden State,
But in a one game scenario, let Steph Curry and
crew get hot.
Speaker 3 (06:08):
And you could be gone. Anthony Davis, rob out of nowhere.
Speaker 1 (06:12):
Yesterday backspathms, what if that happened in the playoff game
or play in game?
Speaker 3 (06:18):
Right?
Speaker 1 (06:18):
I mean, you just don't know, and so I'm totally
with you, and you gotta play.
Speaker 3 (06:26):
You know, at the end of the day, the goal
is to win the championship. Right.
Speaker 1 (06:31):
It's nice to get as far as you can and
to the conference finals if possible, but the.
Speaker 3 (06:37):
Goal is to win the championship.
Speaker 6 (06:40):
Rob.
Speaker 1 (06:40):
Nobody's going to praise the Lakers. Nobody's going to put
Lebron ahead of Jordan if he gets to the second
round or the third round instead of the finals. All right,
instead of the first round, I should say, where if
you get bounced by Denver, So, I mean, you got
to win the championship, you have to go through them
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at some point, you might as well go through them
in the first round. Some people think, of my colleague
Nick right Rob, that the best time for the Nuggets,
or for the Lakers to face the Nuggets is the
first round. I disagree because I think Jamal Murray, who
is critical to their chances as great as Jo Kich is. Denver,
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in my view, cannot win the championship. I don't even
think they'd win the West without Jamal Murray. He's injury
prone though he's fresh now he's been back for about
five or six games. Fresh, you know, he's bawling out.
But yeah, he's kind of like an Anthony Davis right where. Yeah,
you don't know, I mean three weeks from now, who
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knows how.
Speaker 3 (07:46):
We don't want anybody to get hurt.
Speaker 1 (07:48):
Of but it's just it's yeah, yeah, and so that's
why I think it's not best to face him. But hey,
this is the situation you're in, and you've got two
of the best players in the league. Still, you gotta
go out and get it done.
Speaker 4 (08:06):
I just aren't you a little surprised that athletes would
be talking about that?
Speaker 6 (08:11):
Well?
Speaker 3 (08:11):
I well, YEAHO I was have you heard anything?
Speaker 2 (08:13):
I know?
Speaker 3 (08:13):
Icho obviously Mike.
Speaker 4 (08:15):
Greenberg was express that sounds like a radio foighter, Chris
from people whoever competed.
Speaker 1 (08:23):
No, No, I agree, you can't.
Speaker 3 (08:26):
You can't play around like that. Robert.
Speaker 1 (08:30):
You remember the Celtics, Remember when they were tanking under
Rick Patino to get Tim Duncan and they didn't win
the lottery. And that's when Is that when Patino said
bird McHale and Paris were walking through that door?
Speaker 3 (08:43):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (08:44):
Yeah, and that's what and it didn't work for them
by doing that.
Speaker 5 (08:47):
That's what I'm saying. You can't go out there.
Speaker 4 (08:49):
But I think that that Texas Chris is probably the
best example of.
Speaker 1 (08:54):
That's a great Now. I mean what they have picked
h Bryce Young. I don't poss because a lot.
Speaker 4 (09:00):
Of people love have Bryce Young game one and that
would have been different from CJ.
Speaker 3 (09:05):
Strau.
Speaker 4 (09:06):
I think Chris, that's the example. Really, everybody knock lovey
Oh he's dumb. What are you doing when that game?
Speaker 3 (09:14):
Right? Naw? Absolutely right?
Speaker 1 (09:16):
Rob G quickly you're the Lakers fan Uh, you want
him to win or.
Speaker 3 (09:20):
Tank or we gotta win.
Speaker 6 (09:21):
You can't mess around and have a chance where you're
not even making the playoffs.
Speaker 1 (09:26):
Try to gain prist one and done. Man, it ain't
seven games. I is one and done.
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Speaker 1 (10:11):
All right, Rob, Jackie Robinson day, As you said, they're
not wearing are they players?
Speaker 3 (10:16):
Are they wearing the number forty two?
Speaker 5 (10:17):
Everybody?
Speaker 3 (10:18):
Yep? Yeah, and the blue forty two from the Dodgers.
Speaker 4 (10:20):
Chris on every uniform it looks great, it does yeah,
No name on the back just to playing forty three.
Speaker 3 (10:28):
So you've got an interesting take on this, do share.
Speaker 5 (10:32):
Chris, I just thought about this.
Speaker 4 (10:35):
Rachel Robinson is one hundred and one years old, Chris,
one hundred and one. I believe she was scheduled to
go to City Field today to be there for Jackie
Robinson celebration at City Field. Obviously, Jackie played in New
York and Brooklyn. At everitts Field, the Mets have their
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whole rotunda when you walk in, all dedicated to Jackie Robinson.
So they're all the way in because the old owner
the will Ponds were Brooklyn Dodger fans, Chris. They're born
in Brooklyn and all that, so they love Jackie Robinson.
But I thought to myself, Rachel Robinson never got married, Chris.
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Jackie Robinson I believe died when he was fifty three
years old.
Speaker 3 (11:25):
Man.
Speaker 1 (11:25):
She may have been younger than him, very possible she
was younger, right.
Speaker 4 (11:29):
But fifty three, Chris, and she's never been married again
since then. And I thought to myself, it makes sense.
I think there are certain women or people you know
who were married to really famous, famous people who probably
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can't get married again. Or take somebody else's name or
hyphen it. You know what, I don't mean they're unable.
Speaker 5 (11:58):
I don't mean.
Speaker 3 (12:00):
In a philosophical sense.
Speaker 4 (12:01):
Yeah, like I never thought that Karna Scott King would
ever get married again.
Speaker 5 (12:06):
You know what I mean? Like to say, she's another
one on that list for.
Speaker 3 (12:10):
Me, Betty Shabbaz Malcolm X's wife.
Speaker 4 (12:15):
Do you know what do you think they're Do you
think that's the case or on my tripping because I'm
not surprised she never got married again. That doesn't mean
she to have a partner or whatever. But but to
to you're Jackie Robinson's wife, Chris, that's who you are.
Speaker 1 (12:30):
I disagree, okay, and I am a traditional I believe
in traditional roles and things like that.
Speaker 3 (12:38):
But it's just not fair.
Speaker 1 (12:40):
If they choose not to get married, then that's fine,
but it's not fair to say you can.
Speaker 3 (12:48):
I know you don't mean.
Speaker 5 (12:49):
I don't mean it.
Speaker 3 (12:50):
You mean in a philosophical sense.
Speaker 1 (12:51):
I'm just Hey, you were married to Jackie Robinson, you
were married to Martin Luther King, so you can't get remarried?
Speaker 3 (12:59):
Why not?
Speaker 1 (13:00):
Especially now? I mean women, that's chauvinistic, because I don't
think anybody would say that about a man.
Speaker 5 (13:07):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (13:07):
I don't think anybody would say the man can't get
remarried if a man was married to.
Speaker 3 (13:14):
Kamala Harris.
Speaker 1 (13:17):
Or I mean, you know Hillary Clinton or you know
who are have the highest ranking women if you will
in our country, if you want to say famous.
Speaker 3 (13:28):
Serena Williams, I don't know, you know, but nobody. I
don't think. I don't care who what woman it was.
Speaker 1 (13:35):
I don't think anyone would say the man was in
the wrong or disrespecting her or something.
Speaker 3 (13:44):
I mean, some people might gossip.
Speaker 1 (13:45):
Disreeal he's disrespecting it, but I don't think they really
come down on a man for getting remarried, So why
should they come down on a woman.
Speaker 4 (13:54):
I think it's I think it's more about a man
doesn't take the woman's no aim, Well.
Speaker 1 (14:01):
That's not always happening nowadays, But I'm saying women are
taking the man's name. So I'm talking about on these
and that's only America, like some some nations is different.
Speaker 3 (14:10):
It's different in a lot of countries.
Speaker 4 (14:13):
But I'm saying, and I remember there was a story
and maybe I'm hoping that I'm gonna repeat this correctly,
but Joe Montana tried to get his wife to change
her name in San Francisco.
Speaker 5 (14:27):
No, no to, not to once they got divorced.
Speaker 4 (14:30):
Chris, I'm sorry, once they got divorced, he wanted her
to drop his name.
Speaker 3 (14:36):
Okay, because she lives in the Bay Area.
Speaker 4 (14:38):
Your name's Montana is gold you know what I mean, Chris,
you call her for a reservation or like she wanted
her to drop, Like we're not married anymore, why are
you still going around as Montana? And that's because I
felt like he has a special last name that has
that has weight.
Speaker 1 (14:57):
Now I'm just saying in Jackie Robinson's case, I mean,
Robinson obviously is a common name. My mother in law,
rob I think her and my father in law, my
late father in law.
Speaker 3 (15:08):
I think they were only married maybe five years if that.
Speaker 1 (15:13):
My wife was a baby when they got divorced, and
she kept she kept her name from that marriage.
Speaker 3 (15:21):
I mean this was, you know, obviously a little while ago.
You know, when.
Speaker 1 (15:27):
You know, women were generally taking the last name of
their husband pretty much universally in America. But she kept
that last name, you know, to this day. And so
it's just I just disagree. I hear I understand where
you're coming from, but I just don't think it's fair.
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I'm not saying if she would love fell in love
with somebody and wanted to get remarried forty years ago,
thirty years ago, whatever, you know.
Speaker 3 (15:59):
I mean, she could have done that.
Speaker 5 (16:01):
Sure, she could have. I do think that.
Speaker 1 (16:04):
On anybody, if they would have been like, oh, hell,
dare you you're Jackie Robinson's wife for you please? It's
just that, like I said, and I've been known for
people to think I got chauvinistic tendencies, but I.
Speaker 5 (16:18):
Mean, you do have tendency. What do you think you
think so I do? I do think you have something
I do.
Speaker 3 (16:26):
Well, that's a whole nother shit.
Speaker 5 (16:28):
I mean, we'll do that.
Speaker 1 (16:29):
I think I'd like to hear that because you may,
you may, I may think things differently than you think
I do.
Speaker 3 (16:34):
But anyway, but I just.
Speaker 1 (16:36):
Definitely did back in the day years ago. But I
don't know.
Speaker 3 (16:41):
This isn't fair.
Speaker 4 (16:43):
It's not fair to I think it's gonna be an
extraordinary situation. And then I mentioned corn Scott King, you know,
like someone of that ilk after you married uh Martin
Luther King or Jackie Robinson whose name. Could you take
you're gonna place you're you're gonna take your name away, Chris. Right,
if you get married and and you're no longer Rachel Robinson,
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You're gonna be Rachel Smith.
Speaker 3 (17:08):
Like, who does that? Well?
Speaker 4 (17:09):
If Smith's Rachel, you know Smith Robinson, you would remove
Robinson for your from your name.
Speaker 3 (17:17):
No, I don't think anybody in their right mind would
do it.
Speaker 1 (17:20):
Well I I first of all, if they wanted to, yeah, sure,
I mean, but secondly, today you know what I mean, Like,
there are a lot of women that keep their maiden
name or they you know, publicly kind of go by
their maiden name because that's what made him famous, you
know what I mean. But like, let's say if Oprah
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had gotten married and she, you know, passed away, God forbid.
I mean, you don't get much more famous or bigger
than Oprah.
Speaker 3 (17:53):
So you mean literally like if she married, if she
married Steed Mian.
Speaker 1 (17:56):
Yeah, let's say they married and then she passed away.
Stepman couldn't remarry.
Speaker 5 (18:00):
Stepman didn't take her.
Speaker 3 (18:01):
You only know about Stepman because of what Stepman. You
said about the name, because that's what it is.
Speaker 4 (18:07):
It's it's linked to the name and then one of
my students today, Chris in class, and this is the
last part to this thought that but Vanessa Bryant can't
get remarried. She's a young woman, and I get it.
You think she's on the in that area where she
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had a right to get remarried.
Speaker 5 (18:29):
To have the right.
Speaker 2 (18:30):
I don't.
Speaker 5 (18:30):
I don't want people I'm saying they don't have the right.
Speaker 3 (18:33):
I just get what you're saying.
Speaker 5 (18:34):
But make it clear that I'm not saying they can't
get married.
Speaker 1 (18:38):
No, literally, yeah, but I mean you're your own person.
You have to live the rest of your life. I
completely understand where you're coming from.
Speaker 4 (18:47):
I just want to make sure you're not thinking I'm
saying just they can't get married.
Speaker 3 (18:51):
No. Yeah, but it's just not fair.
Speaker 1 (18:54):
And I mean, you know, you get benefits from But
she still would be Kobe Bryant's ex wife.
Speaker 5 (19:02):
She's not giving up that name.
Speaker 1 (19:06):
I mean, I you know she well, like again, obviously
she wouldn't have to to get married.
Speaker 3 (19:13):
But I uh, and I am in that regard. I
do believe in women taking their husband's last name.
Speaker 5 (19:22):
If you want to get.
Speaker 3 (19:23):
My wife, my wife was like when we were.
Speaker 1 (19:25):
Getting married, she was thinking well, you know, I might
want to keep my last name. What you like, why
you want to keep your last I said, we're gonna
be a family. We're gonna our kids are gonna have
Bruce Ard in their last name. They're not gonna be
Collins Brusard. That was her maiden name, Collins. And you know,
like we all all our family, our immediate family. We
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didn't know at that time we were gonna have just
two kids, but you know, our four, the four of us.
Speaker 3 (19:51):
I want us to have the last name, the same
last name.
Speaker 1 (19:54):
And and she, you know, again, thinking maybe I'm a
little chauvini, she was like, well, if we have girls,
did would you want them taking their husband's last name.
Speaker 2 (20:04):
You know?
Speaker 1 (20:05):
And I said, yeah, I will if they asked me,
if it's even a question with them, I will tell
them I think you should take your husband's last name.
Speaker 3 (20:13):
The only y'all all have the same last name.
Speaker 4 (20:16):
I think that's why some some parents when they when
their mothers get divorced.
Speaker 5 (20:21):
I know that was the case with my mom. When
my mom and.
Speaker 4 (20:23):
Dad got she kept Yeah, we were always because she
I think Chris, it was exactly like that. It wasn't
like she's going to go back to Smith, and then
her all her kids are Parker, and then you gotta
go like, no, it was mss Parker and those are
her kids. And they were born in a marriage, right,
and the marriage didn't work, Chris, But it was like that.
It wasn't like she had three kids, you know, and
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she was single or whatever. Her name was Smith, and
they took the name of the of the father who
had the.
Speaker 5 (20:53):
You know what I mean.
Speaker 3 (20:54):
So so so she never changed. This might be a
good this would have been a good topic for calls.
Speaker 1 (21:00):
Yeah, I'm just curious Mary, Mary, Yes, you're female on
the show today.
Speaker 3 (21:05):
Where are you at on this? I'm not gonna lie,
like I get it.
Speaker 6 (21:09):
It's lucky, like dang, you kind of become untouchable in
the sense of like you're you were married to the
most famous person ever.
Speaker 3 (21:18):
But at the same time, it's like who cares? Yeah,
I mean, I can't change you still were married to him.
Speaker 1 (21:24):
I think the easy thing to do, I mean again,
the easy thing to do would just be to keep
your own your own name, you know what I mean, keep.
Speaker 3 (21:32):
That last name. I see a lot of women on Facebook.
Speaker 4 (21:35):
What they do is they you know, because they get lost,
you know, like you know what I'm talking about, because
when they put their their married name, all their friends
from high school looking up the name that they know
them from. I went to school with someone's her maiden name.
If you put that in christ she's not listed. So
a lot a lot of women I see they have
their maiden name and their name. So if you do
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a certain I think my wife did that.
Speaker 1 (21:59):
Otherwise no one, right, absolutely, nobody would be able to
find her.
Speaker 5 (22:02):
They don't know what she married.
Speaker 3 (22:03):
You.
Speaker 5 (22:03):
I'm talking about fronts from.
Speaker 3 (22:05):
Child absolutely absolutely.
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Speaker 7 (22:18):
Rob.
Speaker 1 (22:21):
As you know, I am an official voter for the MVP.
I am voting for Luka Doncic for my MVP, Nicola
Jokic second, sjsh Gilders, Alexander from Oklahoma City, third, Jason
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Tatum fourth, Gianni's Ante di Compo fifth.
Speaker 3 (22:49):
And a lot of people, I shouldn't say a lot.
Speaker 1 (22:51):
I agree with you that Jokic is going to win it,
and some people wonder Rob and and a lot of
feel like it is a two man race, even though
it might be probably be a lopsided race between Jokic
and Shay gilg just Alexander. But there are some people
(23:11):
that feel like SGA should not only be more in consideration,
but that he should actually get the award route that
he should be the MVP.
Speaker 3 (23:25):
And look there there, I mean, there's an argument.
Speaker 1 (23:29):
There's a an argument, and I'm going to read you
a few bits of that argument for him. But they,
of course are the number one seed young He's only
twenty five. They his starting lineup is twenty one, twenty one,
(23:51):
I think twenty two, and twenty four in addition to
him Rob, they're the youngest team in NBA history to
be the number one one seed. And when they did
it in this Western Conference, which it's one of the
most competitive conferences races I've seen in my years three
(24:11):
decades of covering the NBA.
Speaker 3 (24:14):
And so that's that's a very impressive thing right there.
Speaker 1 (24:19):
He is averaging rob thirty points, that's third in the league,
five and a half rebounds, six point two assists, and
he did it efficiently fifty three percent, shooting thirty five
percent from three.
Speaker 3 (24:34):
And he was right there near the top.
Speaker 1 (24:36):
He and Darren Fox the only players in the league
to average two steals a game.
Speaker 3 (24:44):
Deeron was slightly like.
Speaker 1 (24:46):
Decimal points ahead of Shay in that and that statistic,
he was second in deflections in the being in addition
to being first or second in steals.
Speaker 5 (24:57):
And I don't know, you get out for m v P.
Speaker 1 (25:00):
Yeah, you count me. Now you can count whatever you want.
I'm just saying, I never heard of these analytics. You know,
I've never heard that before.
Speaker 3 (25:06):
Just kind of goes to show.
Speaker 1 (25:09):
You know, how how good your defense is, how disrupt No,
I get it.
Speaker 5 (25:13):
I'm just saying I never heard that mentioned.
Speaker 1 (25:16):
And here's one Rob, He is only the third player
in NBA history to average at least thirty points and
two steals while.
Speaker 3 (25:28):
Shooting fifty percent or better from the field.
Speaker 4 (25:31):
Hold on, here's the other him wearing sneakers instead of
shoes on a Tuesday.
Speaker 5 (25:36):
And who shop at the bombs? Okay, yeah, do that gun.
Speaker 1 (25:42):
I mean it's that's legitm no steal, It's not like
made up stack. But the only two other players to
do it Rob Steph Curry when he was the unanimous
m v P and Jordan who I believe did it.
Speaker 3 (25:59):
From ninety eighty eight to nineteen ninety two.
Speaker 1 (26:03):
So, and he also had the most thirty point games
in the league this year, ribe with fifty two.
Speaker 3 (26:10):
Here's my go ahead and give me your thoughts because
he had.
Speaker 5 (26:14):
An unbelievable season. He's not the MVP.
Speaker 4 (26:17):
Okay, and he doesn't lead in any third in scoring, right,
he doesn't lead in anything.
Speaker 3 (26:23):
It steals if you want, Okay.
Speaker 4 (26:24):
And then every and then the other two guys Chris
who are ahead of him have better stats. They might
he might have a better scoring average than them, but overall,
when you look at all of their stats, they're better.
That's all I'm not. I'm not not. I know he's
a young guy. I know he's you know, let a
young team. But am I off with the stats like
they're all their stats are better?
Speaker 3 (26:46):
No, you're not.
Speaker 4 (26:48):
I'm trying to be fair and I'm not trying to
rip the kid who had a tremendous season. But less
not like if you told me he let in and
three categories, Chris, and he was ahead of them and
two out of the three categories, both of them, maybe
I could buy it.
Speaker 3 (27:05):
Maybe, Well, No, I'm with you.
Speaker 1 (27:09):
That's all I'm sayings and he is behind Jokic and
Luca on my ballot, is exactly what you say.
Speaker 3 (27:17):
I mean, Luca's stats, Come on, what do we think?
What are we talking about?
Speaker 1 (27:23):
Luca thirty three point nine points a game, first in
the league. More so Shape, that's almost four points more
than Shape right right right there, Chris, he's already he's
number one, You're three, got that you should be the MVP.
Speaker 5 (27:36):
I mean, if you just.
Speaker 1 (27:37):
Well, Luca nine point two rebounds, Shae five point five.
Speaker 3 (27:43):
So he's got him there by almost four assists.
Speaker 1 (27:46):
Because you could say, oh, well, of course Luca's bigger
than of course you're gonna have more rebounds. What about
assists and Luca nine point eight assists second in the
league and Shae six point two.
Speaker 5 (27:58):
Case closed? Okay, so that's case closed.
Speaker 1 (28:01):
And then then jokis of course only averaging only twenty
six points a game, which still in the top ten,
but rob twelve point four rebounds.
Speaker 3 (28:10):
I think he's.
Speaker 1 (28:10):
Third, second, third in the league in rebounds with twelve
point six, fourth twelve point four and then nine assists
the game, that's third in the league. So he's a
center averaging more assistant shape, right, Obviously, more rebounds numbers,
you know, field goal percentage even three point percentage is
(28:31):
more efficient than shape. But like you said, it's to
take nothing. He's awesome.
Speaker 4 (28:40):
But what do we talk about whenever we talk about
major awards or Hall of Fame we nitpick, we're gonna
look at everything. And if we're gonna do that, he
doesn't lead them in it and any of those things,
right other than scoring deals.
Speaker 5 (28:55):
So so so.
Speaker 4 (28:56):
What is the and and isn't and h okay, see tied.
I know they got the type breaking the same record.
They got five record, five wins more or ten wins more,
they're the same record.
Speaker 1 (29:09):
Right right, yeah, okay see and Denver, as you said,
same record. And again it's to take nothing from Shade
because he is fantastic. I'm gonna throw this into Rob.
I also believe, rightly or wrongly, And I think I
told you this before it. Jokic entered the season with
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a head start. There's nothing to do with no fault
of his own. But Rob, there were a lot of people,
as you know, a lot of voters that feel like
he should have won the MVP.
Speaker 4 (29:45):
Lash Chris right here, spot on, and and and it
was also bad because of Kendrick Perkins.
Speaker 3 (29:54):
Public's out, but it's public, you.
Speaker 4 (29:56):
Know what I mean, Like, he get't won another one,
and and there was a race thing that was that
was thrown in there, and he's just a stat pattern.
And then after all that and Embid won And I'm
not saying that b didn't have an MVP season, but
after all that, then Jokic went out there, Chris and
put on a clinic and a.
Speaker 1 (30:14):
Postseason average, a triple double throughout the Okay, So you
can't tell me that people went back and said.
Speaker 3 (30:20):
What were we doing?
Speaker 5 (30:21):
What were we think?
Speaker 3 (30:22):
Well and right? And it was like this year. Now,
I'm gonna be honest.
Speaker 1 (30:27):
I think MB was playing so well early on that
he actually overcame that sentiment. I think he would have
like at that moment, I think he was the MVP,
but obviously he got hurt. He's not even qualified now
as far as games played. But yeah, I think Rob
that was the case. And so I think barring you know,
(30:47):
look Rob, all the all time greats in any given
era have MVP years. What year didn't Jordan have an
MVP year? I mean when he you know, in his prime.
Nobody ever went down right for ten straight years? What
year was a down year? I don't was a Brian?
What year was you know, Durant, I mean we could.
(31:09):
It's just dim Duncan. Like these players have great years,
So storylines, history, all types of things come into play.
Speaker 3 (31:20):
And so I think Jokic started with the head start.
Speaker 1 (31:23):
Can obviously played tremendously and he's that's why he's likely
to win or.
Speaker 3 (31:28):
Going to win.
Speaker 1 (31:29):
And Rob, I think once he wins it this year,
I think he'll actually start next season as somewhat of
a deficit, you know, where people will be like, okay,
you know, you hear the term voter fatigue, and I
think it'll be a feeling like, Okay, he's got his three,
not that he can't win it, but I think he'll
have to just be just heading shoulders above everyone else
(31:52):
in various ways. I think next year, Rob, assuming Jokic
wins it this year, I do think that Shae and
Luca will enter with kind of head starts, you know,
like I think people will be looking at them as Okay,
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this is one of them we think is gonna get it.
This is his turn, and as long as they play great,
I mean, we'll see which one end is up winning it,
and it may be somebody else, but I think those
two will kind of be the favorites next year. So
that's how we look at it, Rob, Rob G.
Speaker 3 (32:34):
We mentioned some people think SGA is the MVP. One
of those people.
Speaker 1 (32:40):
Is right here, the producer, Rob G. So, Rob G,
you heard our arguments. What are your thoughts?
Speaker 6 (32:47):
I only got two words for you, Chris and Rob?
Speaker 5 (32:49):
What's up?
Speaker 3 (32:50):
Stop it?
Speaker 2 (32:51):
Wow?
Speaker 5 (32:51):
Here we go?
Speaker 3 (32:52):
Are you kidding me right now?
Speaker 2 (32:54):
Yes?
Speaker 6 (32:54):
Okay, Rob Shae, you'll just Alexander without any other all
star caliber teammate.
Speaker 5 (33:02):
What are you talking about?
Speaker 6 (33:02):
What won the Western Conference in the most competitive conference
since Because even before that, Rob, they are the youngest team,
youngest roster to earn the top overall seat in either conference.
Since exactly, you're making my chest for going.
Speaker 1 (33:25):
To be a perennial all right now, Unning, he could
probably might make an All defensive team. Jalen Williams is
also a guy that's gonna make some All Star teams.
And remember Jokic didn't have a teammate that made an
All Star team either. And yes, Jamal Murray is that
caliber player, but he also missed almost so Here's here's.
Speaker 6 (33:48):
The thing that you guys made the case as to
why Shay should not win it, and it's a very
strong case. Right, here's a very strong case as to
why he should. Nikola has the best starting five in
the NBA, point blank period. That's starting five, chemistry, cohesiveness,
the way they fit together, barn On the best in
the league. Luka Dancies has an all NBA caliber sidekick
(34:10):
in Kyrie Irving, Shay, Gilo Alexander has neither of those things.
Speaker 3 (34:14):
Okay, if you're.
Speaker 6 (34:15):
Looking at just raw numbers, yeah, Luca hasn't beat You
know why because Luca's usage ra is thirty six. The
gap between Luca and Shay and usage Ray is the
same distance between Shay and Palo Bancaro.
Speaker 1 (34:26):
So I imagine you have to be capable of handling
that usage rady.
Speaker 3 (34:30):
You don't.
Speaker 6 (34:31):
You don't think if Shaye handled the ball thirty six
at the time he'd had better numbers.
Speaker 3 (34:35):
He probably would, But he.
Speaker 6 (34:36):
Probably would right because he does it because that's the
way Luca plays. I'm not trying to make this argument,
but Chris, you have self has said you don't trust
Luca to win a championship playing that style of basketball.
Speaker 3 (34:47):
Well, I don't think the okay, so he gonna win
the championships. I don't either. I don't either.
Speaker 6 (34:51):
That's because their team is so young, because they're so
far ahead of schedule, because of Shay gil Just Alexander.
Here's another one. His one hundred and twelve points in
the clutch is seventh in the league, which is all right,
it's not too bad.
Speaker 5 (35:04):
That's not not impressive. But seven, here's the thing. Seven.
Speaker 1 (35:07):
Here's the thing he does, sad. I think I got
him third on my clutch player.
Speaker 6 (35:13):
He does it on fifty eight percent shooting, which is
by far the most efficient clutch player in the NBA.
That's the reason why they are third in the league
in clutch time wins. That's why they're number one in
the toughest conference in a decade. Like Shay gildocs, Alexander
is getting short changed because his stats are not super
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gaudy like Lucas.
Speaker 3 (35:38):
But that's a part of it.
Speaker 1 (35:39):
But Luca stats aren't super gaudy.
Speaker 6 (35:44):
He's seven games ahead, and they are good games ahead
of him. Chris winning is supposed to be the most
most important thing here.
Speaker 1 (35:52):
Hold on, let me let me say this go ahead,
because here's the thing you throughout all this, y ain't Yes,
how many games did Kyrie miss this year?
Speaker 3 (36:03):
About almost thirty?
Speaker 6 (36:04):
Yes?
Speaker 3 (36:04):
Okay, all right, and the same thing with Jamal Murray?
Didn't Jamal?
Speaker 1 (36:09):
Let me look at look at that hold on, you
want to okay, let me look at the thunder.
Speaker 3 (36:13):
Let's see Jalen Williams ninety seventy one game ched Holger.
Speaker 1 (36:16):
Wow, all lady two, Josh Giddy eighty, Woy lou Dor
seventy nine.
Speaker 3 (36:22):
They had no injury than you.
Speaker 1 (36:25):
You want to say, yo, don't give me all that
what Jamal Murray and Kyrie did.
Speaker 6 (36:30):
They weren't there for a third of the series. You
want to play that game? You know you know what
that is without without Joki two and one. You know
what the uh uh mas record without Luca is four
and a actually is four and six. Because two games
they tanked this week on purpose, they get back four.
You know what the record is about Shay two and five,
(36:52):
Boom got you.
Speaker 3 (36:53):
You and five four and eight. It's pretty close. No,
it's not. Two of the games were tanked on purpose. No,
look stop it. It's pretty close.
Speaker 5 (37:01):
Rob G, rob G. You don't Shay is not winning.
Speaker 3 (37:04):
You don't.
Speaker 6 (37:04):
He's not going to win because too many people think
like you and Chris no, I.
Speaker 5 (37:08):
Mean the hard facts.
Speaker 3 (37:11):
Rod did give you hard facts. I mean thirty four,
ten and nine.
Speaker 1 (37:17):
If you're gonna and if you're gonna win the m
v P, Chris, you gotta have some something like that,
like like for real, I'm just like, it's gotta be like, Wow,
look at what he put together and his numbers are
really good, but they're not m VP the kids what
rob g did and it's lazy. Oh geez, best best
(37:37):
player on the best team and the best way on
the best record.
Speaker 3 (37:41):
That's not let me stop it. We don't need voters for.
Speaker 4 (37:44):
That and anything ignoring and he barely barely has the
best record.
Speaker 1 (37:50):
It's a tie, great tie, Let's give it to Jason Tatum.
Speaker 6 (37:55):
They ran away with so much agism going on. They
ran away with if you're twenty five and under, they
don't respect you. This was ugly, This was this was
may embarrass you on your own show. They should say
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All right, Rob, let's get it started. Man.
Speaker 1 (00:33):
The NBA play in is here. I told you last week.
I loved it.
Speaker 3 (00:40):
Props to Adam Silver.
Speaker 1 (00:43):
I really like to play in and the Los Angeles Lakers.
Speaker 3 (00:47):
Rob the eighth seed.
Speaker 1 (00:49):
Will visit the New Orleans Pelicans the seventh seed tomorrow
for a The winner is in at the seventh seed
and they will play the Denver Nuggets.
Speaker 3 (00:59):
The loser will play the winner. I know it sounds
it's a lot.
Speaker 1 (01:04):
But the loser of that game will play the winner
of tomorrow's nightcap between Golden State and Sacramento, and then
the winner of that game will be the eighth seed
and face Oklahoma City. Now, Rob, the Lakers have owned
the Oklahoma City they beating them three out of four.
Speaker 3 (01:25):
Games this season.
Speaker 1 (01:27):
Obviously, they've got a huge experience advantage over OKASE with
Lebron with four championships, Anthony Davis with one, and then OKC.
Rob props to SJ, Shay Gilders, Alexander and their whole
team check Holmgren and crew, because Rob, they're the youngest
number one seed in the history of the league, and
(01:51):
to do it in this Western Conference, which is brutally tough,
that's impressive.
Speaker 3 (01:56):
So props to them.
Speaker 1 (01:57):
Their coach, Mark Dagnault is my Coach of the Year
on my ballot, So I think you'll win it, but
we'll see. But anyway, they have owned the Lakers the thunder,
but Denver has owned the Lakers, as we all know.
They've beaten them eight straight times, including four straight in
(02:18):
the Western Conference finals last year to get to the
finals and win their first championship. And so Rob, there
is a school of thought out there, and Manuel Acho,
Mike Greenberg, stephen A didn't advocate it, but he kind
of playfully toyed with it, and you know, thought it
(02:40):
made a little sense jokingly.
Speaker 3 (02:43):
But people are throwing it out there, Rob, that.
Speaker 1 (02:47):
The Lakers should purposely lose tomorrow night and then win
of course the next game, and as the eighth seed,
they would face Oklahoma City, a team they should they
would probably be and.
Speaker 3 (03:03):
I would favor him, would pick them to win that series.
Speaker 1 (03:06):
A lot of people would rather than face Denver, where
most folk field, they have very little chance to beat
the Nuggets.
Speaker 3 (03:15):
And Rob, what is your thought on this take?
Speaker 4 (03:18):
I just I don't believe that people who competed would
really sit there and tell people not to try to win.
Speaker 5 (03:26):
I just it goes against everything, Chris.
Speaker 4 (03:29):
If you want to be champed, We've seen this a
million times, trying to avoid a certain team and then
that team just beat you. Anyway, like trying to play
that game. If you're really good and you're gonna win
a championship, you face who's ever in front of you.
You don't go into something thinking, well, we'll lose this
game on purpose. And I don't know how a professional
(03:54):
athlete even gears himself. What is the conversation there? I
remember the Texans, Chris, was it the Texans would with
when they could have should have lost the game? And
Lovey Smith went forward and remember they won the game
at the end and changed their drafts position and look
what happened to them? Right, everybody said they were.
Speaker 3 (04:18):
Stupid, what are you doing? What are you doing?
Speaker 4 (04:23):
And guess what, they got the best quarterback, Chris, because
they won.
Speaker 3 (04:29):
Think about what.
Speaker 1 (04:30):
I'm saying it right, Absolutely, that's why you don't play
that game. If you're gonna dress up, put on your uniform,
Chris and go out there, you gotta give your roll
and try to win all the time.
Speaker 4 (04:44):
I just not really, let's try to lose because I
think we can beat this other team, and we don't
want to knock off Denver. If you knock off Denver, Chris,
you have a clear path.
Speaker 1 (04:54):
They knocked off Denver, I think they well, they become
the favorite in the West. That's my and I would
actually think they might win it all if they beat Denver.
Speaker 5 (05:05):
But go ahead.
Speaker 4 (05:06):
I'm just know you're right. I don't buy into this
at all, Chris. Guys really lose.
Speaker 1 (05:14):
I completely agree with you, Rob. And And here's the
other thing. You're not guaranteed to win the next game
for the eight seed, right, I mean you could easily
do that and lose. Look, Golden State has beaten the
Lakers three out of four times this year. Sacramento has
(05:35):
beaten the Lakers eight of the last nine times they've played.
Anthony Davis doesn't know the feeling of beating Diamont to Saboni, right,
because he's never done it right, And so I mean
something you could just see it happening where you tank
and lose to New Orleans and then go ahead and
(05:55):
lose the next game and don't even make the playoffs.
I mean, and again, I think they're better than Golden State,
But in a one game scenario, let Steph Curry and
crew get hot.
Speaker 3 (06:08):
And you could be gone. Anthony Davis, rob out of nowhere.
Speaker 1 (06:12):
Yesterday backspathms, what if that happened in the playoff game
or play in game?
Speaker 3 (06:18):
Right?
Speaker 1 (06:18):
I mean, you just don't know, and so I'm totally
with you, and you gotta play.
Speaker 3 (06:26):
You know, at the end of the day, the goal
is to win the championship. Right.
Speaker 1 (06:31):
It's nice to get as far as you can and
to the conference finals if possible, but the.
Speaker 3 (06:37):
Goal is to win the championship.
Speaker 6 (06:40):
Rob.
Speaker 1 (06:40):
Nobody's going to praise the Lakers. Nobody's going to put
Lebron ahead of Jordan if he gets to the second
round or the third round instead of the finals. All right,
instead of the first round, I should say, where if
you get bounced by Denver, So, I mean, you got
to win the championship, you have to go through them
(07:02):
at some point, you might as well go through them
in the first round. Some people think, of my colleague
Nick right Rob, that the best time for the Nuggets,
or for the Lakers to face the Nuggets is the
first round. I disagree because I think Jamal Murray, who
is critical to their chances as great as Jo Kich is. Denver,
(07:24):
in my view, cannot win the championship. I don't even
think they'd win the West without Jamal Murray. He's injury
prone though he's fresh now he's been back for about
five or six games. Fresh, you know, he's bawling out.
But yeah, he's kind of like an Anthony Davis right where. Yeah,
you don't know, I mean three weeks from now, who
(07:45):
knows how.
Speaker 3 (07:46):
We don't want anybody to get hurt.
Speaker 1 (07:48):
Of but it's just it's yeah, yeah, and so that's
why I think it's not best to face him. But hey,
this is the situation you're in, and you've got two
of the best players in the league. Still, you gotta
go out and get it done.
Speaker 4 (08:06):
I just aren't you a little surprised that athletes would
be talking about that?
Speaker 6 (08:11):
Well?
Speaker 3 (08:11):
I well, YEAHO I was have you heard anything?
Speaker 2 (08:13):
I know?
Speaker 3 (08:13):
Icho obviously Mike.
Speaker 4 (08:15):
Greenberg was express that sounds like a radio foighter, Chris
from people whoever competed.
Speaker 1 (08:23):
No, No, I agree, you can't.
Speaker 3 (08:26):
You can't play around like that. Robert.
Speaker 1 (08:30):
You remember the Celtics, Remember when they were tanking under
Rick Patino to get Tim Duncan and they didn't win
the lottery. And that's when Is that when Patino said
bird McHale and Paris were walking through that door?
Speaker 3 (08:43):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (08:44):
Yeah, and that's what and it didn't work for them
by doing that.
Speaker 5 (08:47):
That's what I'm saying. You can't go out there.
Speaker 4 (08:49):
But I think that that Texas Chris is probably the
best example of.
Speaker 1 (08:54):
That's a great Now. I mean what they have picked
h Bryce Young. I don't poss because a lot.
Speaker 4 (09:00):
Of people love have Bryce Young game one and that
would have been different from CJ.
Speaker 3 (09:05):
Strau.
Speaker 4 (09:06):
I think Chris, that's the example. Really, everybody knock lovey
Oh he's dumb. What are you doing when that game?
Speaker 3 (09:14):
Right? Naw? Absolutely right?
Speaker 1 (09:16):
Rob G quickly you're the Lakers fan Uh, you want
him to win or.
Speaker 3 (09:20):
Tank or we gotta win.
Speaker 6 (09:21):
You can't mess around and have a chance where you're
not even making the playoffs.
Speaker 1 (09:26):
Try to gain prist one and done. Man, it ain't
seven games. I is one and done.
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Speaker 1 (10:11):
All right, Rob, Jackie Robinson day, As you said, they're
not wearing are they players?
Speaker 3 (10:16):
Are they wearing the number forty two?
Speaker 5 (10:17):
Everybody?
Speaker 3 (10:18):
Yep? Yeah, and the blue forty two from the Dodgers.
Speaker 4 (10:20):
Chris on every uniform it looks great, it does yeah,
No name on the back just to playing forty three.
Speaker 3 (10:28):
So you've got an interesting take on this, do share.
Speaker 5 (10:32):
Chris, I just thought about this.
Speaker 4 (10:35):
Rachel Robinson is one hundred and one years old, Chris,
one hundred and one. I believe she was scheduled to
go to City Field today to be there for Jackie
Robinson celebration at City Field. Obviously, Jackie played in New
York and Brooklyn. At everitts Field, the Mets have their
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whole rotunda when you walk in, all dedicated to Jackie Robinson.
So they're all the way in because the old owner
the will Ponds were Brooklyn Dodger fans, Chris. They're born
in Brooklyn and all that, so they love Jackie Robinson.
But I thought to myself, Rachel Robinson never got married, Chris.
(11:18):
Jackie Robinson I believe died when he was fifty three
years old.
Speaker 3 (11:25):
Man.
Speaker 1 (11:25):
She may have been younger than him, very possible she
was younger, right.
Speaker 4 (11:29):
But fifty three, Chris, and she's never been married again
since then. And I thought to myself, it makes sense.
I think there are certain women or people you know
who were married to really famous, famous people who probably
(11:50):
can't get married again. Or take somebody else's name or
hyphen it. You know what, I don't mean they're unable.
Speaker 5 (11:58):
I don't mean.
Speaker 3 (12:00):
In a philosophical sense.
Speaker 4 (12:01):
Yeah, like I never thought that Karna Scott King would
ever get married again.
Speaker 5 (12:06):
You know what I mean? Like to say, she's another
one on that list for.
Speaker 3 (12:10):
Me, Betty Shabbaz Malcolm X's wife.
Speaker 4 (12:15):
Do you know what do you think they're Do you
think that's the case or on my tripping because I'm
not surprised she never got married again. That doesn't mean
she to have a partner or whatever. But but to
to you're Jackie Robinson's wife, Chris, that's who you are.
Speaker 1 (12:30):
I disagree, okay, and I am a traditional I believe
in traditional roles and things like that.
Speaker 3 (12:38):
But it's just not fair.
Speaker 1 (12:40):
If they choose not to get married, then that's fine,
but it's not fair to say you can.
Speaker 3 (12:48):
I know you don't mean.
Speaker 5 (12:49):
I don't mean it.
Speaker 3 (12:50):
You mean in a philosophical sense.
Speaker 1 (12:51):
I'm just Hey, you were married to Jackie Robinson, you
were married to Martin Luther King, so you can't get remarried?
Speaker 3 (12:59):
Why not?
Speaker 1 (13:00):
Especially now? I mean women, that's chauvinistic, because I don't
think anybody would say that about a man.
Speaker 5 (13:07):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (13:07):
I don't think anybody would say the man can't get
remarried if a man was married to.
Speaker 3 (13:14):
Kamala Harris.
Speaker 1 (13:17):
Or I mean, you know Hillary Clinton or you know
who are have the highest ranking women if you will
in our country, if you want to say famous.
Speaker 3 (13:28):
Serena Williams, I don't know, you know, but nobody. I
don't think. I don't care who what woman it was.
Speaker 1 (13:35):
I don't think anyone would say the man was in
the wrong or disrespecting her or something.
Speaker 3 (13:44):
I mean, some people might gossip.
Speaker 1 (13:45):
Disreeal he's disrespecting it, but I don't think they really
come down on a man for getting remarried, So why
should they come down on a woman.
Speaker 4 (13:54):
I think it's I think it's more about a man
doesn't take the woman's no aim, Well.
Speaker 1 (14:01):
That's not always happening nowadays, But I'm saying women are
taking the man's name. So I'm talking about on these
and that's only America, like some some nations is different.
Speaker 3 (14:10):
It's different in a lot of countries.
Speaker 4 (14:13):
But I'm saying, and I remember there was a story
and maybe I'm hoping that I'm gonna repeat this correctly,
but Joe Montana tried to get his wife to change
her name in San Francisco.
Speaker 5 (14:27):
No, no to, not to once they got divorced.
Speaker 4 (14:30):
Chris, I'm sorry, once they got divorced, he wanted her
to drop his name.
Speaker 3 (14:36):
Okay, because she lives in the Bay Area.
Speaker 4 (14:38):
Your name's Montana is gold you know what I mean, Chris,
you call her for a reservation or like she wanted
her to drop, Like we're not married anymore, why are
you still going around as Montana? And that's because I
felt like he has a special last name that has
that has weight.
Speaker 1 (14:57):
Now I'm just saying in Jackie Robinson's case, I mean,
Robinson obviously is a common name. My mother in law,
rob I think her and my father in law, my
late father in law.
Speaker 3 (15:08):
I think they were only married maybe five years if that.
Speaker 1 (15:13):
My wife was a baby when they got divorced, and
she kept she kept her name from that marriage.
Speaker 3 (15:21):
I mean this was, you know, obviously a little while ago.
You know, when.
Speaker 1 (15:27):
You know, women were generally taking the last name of
their husband pretty much universally in America. But she kept
that last name, you know, to this day. And so
it's just I just disagree. I hear I understand where
you're coming from, but I just don't think it's fair.
(15:47):
I'm not saying if she would love fell in love
with somebody and wanted to get remarried forty years ago,
thirty years ago, whatever, you know.
Speaker 3 (15:59):
I mean, she could have done that.
Speaker 5 (16:01):
Sure, she could have. I do think that.
Speaker 1 (16:04):
On anybody, if they would have been like, oh, hell,
dare you you're Jackie Robinson's wife for you please? It's
just that, like I said, and I've been known for
people to think I got chauvinistic tendencies, but I.
Speaker 5 (16:18):
Mean, you do have tendency. What do you think you
think so I do? I do think you have something
I do.
Speaker 3 (16:26):
Well, that's a whole nother shit.
Speaker 5 (16:28):
I mean, we'll do that.
Speaker 1 (16:29):
I think I'd like to hear that because you may,
you may, I may think things differently than you think
I do.
Speaker 3 (16:34):
But anyway, but I just.
Speaker 1 (16:36):
Definitely did back in the day years ago. But I
don't know.
Speaker 3 (16:41):
This isn't fair.
Speaker 4 (16:43):
It's not fair to I think it's gonna be an
extraordinary situation. And then I mentioned corn Scott King, you know,
like someone of that ilk after you married uh Martin
Luther King or Jackie Robinson whose name. Could you take
you're gonna place you're you're gonna take your name away, Chris. Right,
if you get married and and you're no longer Rachel Robinson,
(17:06):
You're gonna be Rachel Smith.
Speaker 3 (17:08):
Like, who does that? Well?
Speaker 4 (17:09):
If Smith's Rachel, you know Smith Robinson, you would remove
Robinson for your from your name.
Speaker 3 (17:17):
No, I don't think anybody in their right mind would
do it.
Speaker 1 (17:20):
Well I I first of all, if they wanted to, yeah, sure,
I mean, but secondly, today you know what I mean, Like,
there are a lot of women that keep their maiden
name or they you know, publicly kind of go by
their maiden name because that's what made him famous, you
know what I mean. But like, let's say if Oprah
(17:42):
had gotten married and she, you know, passed away, God forbid.
I mean, you don't get much more famous or bigger
than Oprah.
Speaker 3 (17:53):
So you mean literally like if she married, if she
married Steed Mian.
Speaker 1 (17:56):
Yeah, let's say they married and then she passed away.
Stepman couldn't remarry.
Speaker 5 (18:00):
Stepman didn't take her.
Speaker 3 (18:01):
You only know about Stepman because of what Stepman. You
said about the name, because that's what it is.
Speaker 4 (18:07):
It's it's linked to the name and then one of
my students today, Chris in class, and this is the
last part to this thought that but Vanessa Bryant can't
get remarried. She's a young woman, and I get it.
You think she's on the in that area where she
(18:27):
had a right to get remarried.
Speaker 5 (18:29):
To have the right.
Speaker 2 (18:30):
I don't.
Speaker 5 (18:30):
I don't want people I'm saying they don't have the right.
Speaker 3 (18:33):
I just get what you're saying.
Speaker 5 (18:34):
But make it clear that I'm not saying they can't
get married.
Speaker 1 (18:38):
No, literally, yeah, but I mean you're your own person.
You have to live the rest of your life. I
completely understand where you're coming from.
Speaker 4 (18:47):
I just want to make sure you're not thinking I'm
saying just they can't get married.
Speaker 3 (18:51):
No. Yeah, but it's just not fair.
Speaker 1 (18:54):
And I mean, you know, you get benefits from But
she still would be Kobe Bryant's ex wife.
Speaker 5 (19:02):
She's not giving up that name.
Speaker 1 (19:06):
I mean, I you know she well, like again, obviously
she wouldn't have to to get married.
Speaker 3 (19:13):
But I uh, and I am in that regard. I
do believe in women taking their husband's last name.
Speaker 5 (19:22):
If you want to get.
Speaker 3 (19:23):
My wife, my wife was like when we were.
Speaker 1 (19:25):
Getting married, she was thinking well, you know, I might
want to keep my last name. What you like, why
you want to keep your last I said, we're gonna
be a family. We're gonna our kids are gonna have
Bruce Ard in their last name. They're not gonna be
Collins Brusard. That was her maiden name, Collins. And you know,
like we all all our family, our immediate family. We
(19:46):
didn't know at that time we were gonna have just
two kids, but you know, our four, the four of us.
Speaker 3 (19:51):
I want us to have the last name, the same
last name.
Speaker 1 (19:54):
And and she, you know, again, thinking maybe I'm a
little chauvini, she was like, well, if we have girls,
did would you want them taking their husband's last name.
Speaker 2 (20:04):
You know?
Speaker 1 (20:05):
And I said, yeah, I will if they asked me,
if it's even a question with them, I will tell
them I think you should take your husband's last name.
Speaker 3 (20:13):
The only y'all all have the same last name.
Speaker 4 (20:16):
I think that's why some some parents when they when
their mothers get divorced.
Speaker 5 (20:21):
I know that was the case with my mom. When
my mom and.
Speaker 4 (20:23):
Dad got she kept Yeah, we were always because she
I think Chris, it was exactly like that. It wasn't
like she's going to go back to Smith, and then
her all her kids are Parker, and then you gotta
go like, no, it was mss Parker and those are
her kids. And they were born in a marriage, right,
and the marriage didn't work, Chris, But it was like that.
It wasn't like she had three kids, you know, and
(20:47):
she was single or whatever. Her name was Smith, and
they took the name of the of the father who
had the.
Speaker 5 (20:53):
You know what I mean.
Speaker 3 (20:54):
So so so she never changed. This might be a
good this would have been a good topic for calls.
Speaker 1 (21:00):
Yeah, I'm just curious Mary, Mary, Yes, you're female on
the show today.
Speaker 3 (21:05):
Where are you at on this? I'm not gonna lie,
like I get it.
Speaker 6 (21:09):
It's lucky, like dang, you kind of become untouchable in
the sense of like you're you were married to the
most famous person ever.
Speaker 3 (21:18):
But at the same time, it's like who cares? Yeah,
I mean, I can't change you still were married to him.
Speaker 1 (21:24):
I think the easy thing to do, I mean again,
the easy thing to do would just be to keep
your own your own name, you know what I mean, keep.
Speaker 3 (21:32):
That last name. I see a lot of women on Facebook.
Speaker 4 (21:35):
What they do is they you know, because they get lost,
you know, like you know what I'm talking about, because
when they put their their married name, all their friends
from high school looking up the name that they know
them from. I went to school with someone's her maiden name.
If you put that in christ she's not listed. So
a lot a lot of women I see they have
their maiden name and their name. So if you do
(21:57):
a certain I think my wife did that.
Speaker 1 (21:59):
Otherwise no one, right, absolutely, nobody would be able to
find her.
Speaker 5 (22:02):
They don't know what she married.
Speaker 3 (22:03):
You.
Speaker 5 (22:03):
I'm talking about fronts from.
Speaker 3 (22:05):
Child absolutely absolutely.
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Speaker 7 (22:18):
Rob.
Speaker 1 (22:21):
As you know, I am an official voter for the MVP.
I am voting for Luka Doncic for my MVP, Nicola
Jokic second, sjsh Gilders, Alexander from Oklahoma City, third, Jason
(22:42):
Tatum fourth, Gianni's Ante di Compo fifth.
Speaker 3 (22:49):
And a lot of people, I shouldn't say a lot.
Speaker 1 (22:51):
I agree with you that Jokic is going to win it,
and some people wonder Rob and and a lot of
feel like it is a two man race, even though
it might be probably be a lopsided race between Jokic
and Shay gilg just Alexander. But there are some people
(23:11):
that feel like SGA should not only be more in consideration,
but that he should actually get the award route that
he should be the MVP.
Speaker 3 (23:25):
And look there there, I mean, there's an argument.
Speaker 1 (23:29):
There's a an argument, and I'm going to read you
a few bits of that argument for him. But they,
of course are the number one seed young He's only
twenty five. They his starting lineup is twenty one, twenty one,
(23:51):
I think twenty two, and twenty four in addition to
him Rob, they're the youngest team in NBA history to
be the number one one seed. And when they did
it in this Western Conference, which it's one of the
most competitive conferences races I've seen in my years three
(24:11):
decades of covering the NBA.
Speaker 3 (24:14):
And so that's that's a very impressive thing right there.
Speaker 1 (24:19):
He is averaging rob thirty points, that's third in the league,
five and a half rebounds, six point two assists, and
he did it efficiently fifty three percent, shooting thirty five
percent from three.
Speaker 3 (24:34):
And he was right there near the top.
Speaker 1 (24:36):
He and Darren Fox the only players in the league
to average two steals a game.
Speaker 3 (24:44):
Deeron was slightly like.
Speaker 1 (24:46):
Decimal points ahead of Shay in that and that statistic,
he was second in deflections in the being in addition
to being first or second in steals.
Speaker 5 (24:57):
And I don't know, you get out for m v P.
Speaker 1 (25:00):
Yeah, you count me. Now you can count whatever you want.
I'm just saying, I never heard of these analytics. You know,
I've never heard that before.
Speaker 3 (25:06):
Just kind of goes to show.
Speaker 1 (25:09):
You know, how how good your defense is, how disrupt No,
I get it.
Speaker 5 (25:13):
I'm just saying I never heard that mentioned.
Speaker 1 (25:16):
And here's one Rob, He is only the third player
in NBA history to average at least thirty points and
two steals while.
Speaker 3 (25:28):
Shooting fifty percent or better from the field.
Speaker 4 (25:31):
Hold on, here's the other him wearing sneakers instead of
shoes on a Tuesday.
Speaker 5 (25:36):
And who shop at the bombs? Okay, yeah, do that gun.
Speaker 1 (25:42):
I mean it's that's legitm no steal, It's not like
made up stack. But the only two other players to
do it Rob Steph Curry when he was the unanimous
m v P and Jordan who I believe did it.
Speaker 3 (25:59):
From ninety eighty eight to nineteen ninety two.
Speaker 1 (26:03):
So, and he also had the most thirty point games
in the league this year, ribe with fifty two.
Speaker 3 (26:10):
Here's my go ahead and give me your thoughts because
he had.
Speaker 5 (26:14):
An unbelievable season. He's not the MVP.
Speaker 4 (26:17):
Okay, and he doesn't lead in any third in scoring, right,
he doesn't lead in anything.
Speaker 3 (26:23):
It steals if you want, Okay.
Speaker 4 (26:24):
And then every and then the other two guys Chris
who are ahead of him have better stats. They might
he might have a better scoring average than them, but overall,
when you look at all of their stats, they're better.
That's all I'm not. I'm not not. I know he's
a young guy. I know he's you know, let a
young team. But am I off with the stats like
they're all their stats are better?
Speaker 3 (26:46):
No, you're not.
Speaker 4 (26:48):
I'm trying to be fair and I'm not trying to
rip the kid who had a tremendous season. But less
not like if you told me he let in and
three categories, Chris, and he was ahead of them and
two out of the three categories, both of them, maybe
I could buy it.
Speaker 3 (27:05):
Maybe, Well, No, I'm with you.
Speaker 1 (27:09):
That's all I'm sayings and he is behind Jokic and
Luca on my ballot, is exactly what you say.
Speaker 3 (27:17):
I mean, Luca's stats, Come on, what do we think?
What are we talking about?
Speaker 1 (27:23):
Luca thirty three point nine points a game, first in
the league. More so Shape, that's almost four points more
than Shape right right right there, Chris, he's already he's
number one, You're three, got that you should be the MVP.
Speaker 5 (27:36):
I mean, if you just.
Speaker 1 (27:37):
Well, Luca nine point two rebounds, Shae five point five.
Speaker 3 (27:43):
So he's got him there by almost four assists.
Speaker 1 (27:46):
Because you could say, oh, well, of course Luca's bigger
than of course you're gonna have more rebounds. What about
assists and Luca nine point eight assists second in the
league and Shae six point two.
Speaker 5 (27:58):
Case closed? Okay, so that's case closed.
Speaker 1 (28:01):
And then then jokis of course only averaging only twenty
six points a game, which still in the top ten,
but rob twelve point four rebounds.
Speaker 3 (28:10):
I think he's.
Speaker 1 (28:10):
Third, second, third in the league in rebounds with twelve
point six, fourth twelve point four and then nine assists
the game, that's third in the league. So he's a
center averaging more assistant shape, right, Obviously, more rebounds numbers,
you know, field goal percentage even three point percentage is
(28:31):
more efficient than shape. But like you said, it's to
take nothing. He's awesome.
Speaker 4 (28:40):
But what do we talk about whenever we talk about
major awards or Hall of Fame we nitpick, we're gonna
look at everything. And if we're gonna do that, he
doesn't lead them in it and any of those things,
right other than scoring deals.
Speaker 5 (28:55):
So so so.
Speaker 4 (28:56):
What is the and and isn't and h okay, see tied.
I know they got the type breaking the same record.
They got five record, five wins more or ten wins more,
they're the same record.
Speaker 1 (29:09):
Right right, yeah, okay see and Denver, as you said,
same record. And again it's to take nothing from Shade
because he is fantastic. I'm gonna throw this into Rob.
I also believe, rightly or wrongly, And I think I
told you this before it. Jokic entered the season with
(29:34):
a head start. There's nothing to do with no fault
of his own. But Rob, there were a lot of people,
as you know, a lot of voters that feel like
he should have won the MVP.
Speaker 4 (29:45):
Lash Chris right here, spot on, and and and it
was also bad because of Kendrick Perkins.
Speaker 3 (29:54):
Public's out, but it's public, you.
Speaker 4 (29:56):
Know what I mean, Like, he get't won another one,
and and there was a race thing that was that
was thrown in there, and he's just a stat pattern.
And then after all that and Embid won And I'm
not saying that b didn't have an MVP season, but
after all that, then Jokic went out there, Chris and
put on a clinic and a.
Speaker 1 (30:14):
Postseason average, a triple double throughout the Okay, So you
can't tell me that people went back and said.
Speaker 3 (30:20):
What were we doing?
Speaker 5 (30:21):
What were we think?
Speaker 3 (30:22):
Well and right? And it was like this year. Now,
I'm gonna be honest.
Speaker 1 (30:27):
I think MB was playing so well early on that
he actually overcame that sentiment. I think he would have
like at that moment, I think he was the MVP,
but obviously he got hurt. He's not even qualified now
as far as games played. But yeah, I think Rob
that was the case. And so I think barring you know,
(30:47):
look Rob, all the all time greats in any given
era have MVP years. What year didn't Jordan have an
MVP year? I mean when he you know, in his prime.
Nobody ever went down right for ten straight years? What
year was a down year? I don't was a Brian?
What year was you know, Durant, I mean we could.
(31:09):
It's just dim Duncan. Like these players have great years,
So storylines, history, all types of things come into play.
Speaker 3 (31:20):
And so I think Jokic started with the head start.
Speaker 1 (31:23):
Can obviously played tremendously and he's that's why he's likely
to win or.
Speaker 3 (31:28):
Going to win.
Speaker 1 (31:29):
And Rob, I think once he wins it this year,
I think he'll actually start next season as somewhat of
a deficit, you know, where people will be like, okay,
you know, you hear the term voter fatigue, and I
think it'll be a feeling like, Okay, he's got his three,
not that he can't win it, but I think he'll
have to just be just heading shoulders above everyone else
(31:52):
in various ways. I think next year, Rob, assuming Jokic
wins it this year, I do think that Shae and
Luca will enter with kind of head starts, you know,
like I think people will be looking at them as Okay,
(32:13):
this is one of them we think is gonna get it.
This is his turn, and as long as they play great,
I mean, we'll see which one end is up winning it,
and it may be somebody else, but I think those
two will kind of be the favorites next year. So
that's how we look at it, Rob, Rob G.
Speaker 3 (32:34):
We mentioned some people think SGA is the MVP. One
of those people.
Speaker 1 (32:40):
Is right here, the producer, Rob G. So, Rob G,
you heard our arguments. What are your thoughts?
Speaker 6 (32:47):
I only got two words for you, Chris and Rob?
Speaker 5 (32:49):
What's up?
Speaker 3 (32:50):
Stop it?
Speaker 2 (32:51):
Wow?
Speaker 5 (32:51):
Here we go?
Speaker 3 (32:52):
Are you kidding me right now?
Speaker 2 (32:54):
Yes?
Speaker 6 (32:54):
Okay, Rob Shae, you'll just Alexander without any other all
star caliber teammate.
Speaker 5 (33:02):
What are you talking about?
Speaker 6 (33:02):
What won the Western Conference in the most competitive conference
since Because even before that, Rob, they are the youngest team,
youngest roster to earn the top overall seat in either conference.
Since exactly, you're making my chest for going.
Speaker 1 (33:25):
To be a perennial all right now, Unning, he could
probably might make an All defensive team. Jalen Williams is
also a guy that's gonna make some All Star teams.
And remember Jokic didn't have a teammate that made an
All Star team either. And yes, Jamal Murray is that
caliber player, but he also missed almost so Here's here's.
Speaker 6 (33:48):
The thing that you guys made the case as to
why Shay should not win it, and it's a very
strong case. Right, here's a very strong case as to
why he should. Nikola has the best starting five in
the NBA, point blank period. That's starting five, chemistry, cohesiveness,
the way they fit together, barn On the best in
the league. Luka Dancies has an all NBA caliber sidekick
(34:10):
in Kyrie Irving, Shay, Gilo Alexander has neither of those things.
Speaker 3 (34:14):
Okay, if you're.
Speaker 6 (34:15):
Looking at just raw numbers, yeah, Luca hasn't beat You
know why because Luca's usage ra is thirty six. The
gap between Luca and Shay and usage Ray is the
same distance between Shay and Palo Bancaro.
Speaker 1 (34:26):
So I imagine you have to be capable of handling
that usage rady.
Speaker 3 (34:30):
You don't.
Speaker 6 (34:31):
You don't think if Shaye handled the ball thirty six
at the time he'd had better numbers.
Speaker 3 (34:35):
He probably would, But he.
Speaker 6 (34:36):
Probably would right because he does it because that's the
way Luca plays. I'm not trying to make this argument,
but Chris, you have self has said you don't trust
Luca to win a championship playing that style of basketball.
Speaker 3 (34:47):
Well, I don't think the okay, so he gonna win
the championships. I don't either. I don't either.
Speaker 6 (34:51):
That's because their team is so young, because they're so
far ahead of schedule, because of Shay gil Just Alexander.
Here's another one. His one hundred and twelve points in
the clutch is seventh in the league, which is all right,
it's not too bad.
Speaker 5 (35:04):
That's not not impressive. But seven, here's the thing. Seven.
Speaker 1 (35:07):
Here's the thing he does, sad. I think I got
him third on my clutch player.
Speaker 6 (35:13):
He does it on fifty eight percent shooting, which is
by far the most efficient clutch player in the NBA.
That's the reason why they are third in the league
in clutch time wins. That's why they're number one in
the toughest conference in a decade. Like Shay gildocs, Alexander
is getting short changed because his stats are not super
(35:36):
gaudy like Lucas.
Speaker 3 (35:38):
But that's a part of it.
Speaker 1 (35:39):
But Luca stats aren't super gaudy.
Speaker 6 (35:44):
He's seven games ahead, and they are good games ahead
of him. Chris winning is supposed to be the most
most important thing here.
Speaker 1 (35:52):
Hold on, let me let me say this go ahead,
because here's the thing you throughout all this, y ain't Yes,
how many games did Kyrie miss this year?
Speaker 3 (36:03):
About almost thirty?
Speaker 6 (36:04):
Yes?
Speaker 3 (36:04):
Okay, all right, and the same thing with Jamal Murray?
Didn't Jamal?
Speaker 1 (36:09):
Let me look at look at that hold on, you
want to okay, let me look at the thunder.
Speaker 3 (36:13):
Let's see Jalen Williams ninety seventy one game ched Holger.
Speaker 1 (36:16):
Wow, all lady two, Josh Giddy eighty, Woy lou Dor
seventy nine.
Speaker 3 (36:22):
They had no injury than you.
Speaker 1 (36:25):
You want to say, yo, don't give me all that
what Jamal Murray and Kyrie did.
Speaker 6 (36:30):
They weren't there for a third of the series. You
want to play that game? You know you know what
that is without without Joki two and one. You know
what the uh uh mas record without Luca is four
and a actually is four and six. Because two games
they tanked this week on purpose, they get back four.
You know what the record is about Shay two and five,
(36:52):
Boom got you.
Speaker 3 (36:53):
You and five four and eight. It's pretty close. No,
it's not. Two of the games were tanked on purpose. No,
look stop it. It's pretty close.
Speaker 5 (37:01):
Rob G, rob G. You don't Shay is not winning.
Speaker 3 (37:04):
You don't.
Speaker 6 (37:04):
He's not going to win because too many people think
like you and Chris no, I.
Speaker 5 (37:08):
Mean the hard facts.
Speaker 3 (37:11):
Rod did give you hard facts. I mean thirty four,
ten and nine.
Speaker 1 (37:17):
If you're gonna and if you're gonna win the m
v P, Chris, you gotta have some something like that,
like like for real, I'm just like, it's gotta be like, Wow,
look at what he put together and his numbers are
really good, but they're not m VP the kids what
rob g did and it's lazy. Oh geez, best best
(37:37):
player on the best team and the best way on
the best record.
Speaker 3 (37:41):
That's not let me stop it. We don't need voters for.
Speaker 4 (37:44):
That and anything ignoring and he barely barely has the
best record.
Speaker 1 (37:50):
It's a tie, great tie, Let's give it to Jason Tatum.
Speaker 6 (37:55):
They ran away with so much agism going on. They
ran away with if you're twenty five and under, they
don't respect you. This was ugly, This was this was
may embarrass you on your own show. They should say
ROBBERI presents the odd couple.
Speaker 3 (38:10):
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