April 18, 2024 • 41 mins
In Hour 2 of The Odd Couple, Chris Broussard and Rob Parker open the hour react to the former Raptors Forward-Center Jontay Porters lifetime ban from the NBA for sports gambling! NBA Athletic Reporter Joe Vardon joins the show to talk everything NBA Playoffs! AND the guys break down the Warriors getting eliminated from the playoff contention last night after a loss to the Kings, IS THE DYNASTY OVER?
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Bottom of the hour, Joe Varden, who covers the NBA
for The Athletic, does a torment tremendous job. He will
join us, but until then, we're of course gonna stick
with the NBA. But we're gonna not talk about a game,
not a game, not a game, not a game. We're
(01:21):
gonna talk about Unfortunately, Rob John Tay Porter who bet
remember a couple weeks ago he got suspended, YEP for
betting on games NBA games, not ones he was in,
although he did prop bets.
Speaker 4 (01:39):
Well that was the ones that got everybody suspicious, Chris,
because we know this. You don't think that these casinos
in these book he houses, Chris don't follow the money
to see what kind of bets are being made.
Speaker 5 (01:53):
They know how much money on a.
Speaker 4 (01:54):
Nightly basis or bet on prop bets, and they got
an unusual amount of money for John tay right.
Speaker 3 (02:05):
Yeah, I mean he's a six eleven center.
Speaker 1 (02:07):
Or he was wasn't drafted. He's twenty four years old,
six eleven, twenty four years old to a brother of
Michael Porter Junior, which probably may have helped him get
in the league.
Speaker 3 (02:21):
Maybe, but he did play at Missouri.
Speaker 1 (02:24):
But yeah, two way contracts, so he you know, shuttled
in between the NBA and the G League and wasn't
making that much money for him, He's making four G
eleven thousand stuff like that. But Rob, this young man
has a ruined is an understatement. He's ended his career.
(02:44):
Adam Silver has banned him for life for his gambling.
Speaker 3 (02:49):
What are your.
Speaker 5 (02:50):
Thoughts, combination?
Speaker 4 (02:54):
You know, we've talked about it before, and you know
it's talking out of both odds of your mouth. You're
in bed with the gamblers, Chris. I went to a
CALVS game and they have I don't remember what casino
or whatever sports book right there in the arena.
Speaker 5 (03:10):
Have you been there where in Cleveland?
Speaker 3 (03:15):
No?
Speaker 1 (03:15):
Okay, but I mean I've been there, but not since
the gambling became right.
Speaker 5 (03:19):
No, they have a oh it's all of a sports
book inside. I don't know anybody does. Does they have
that Madison Square Garden? They must.
Speaker 1 (03:28):
I mean there's no doubt. I mean the league is
and we who were who's it was?
Speaker 6 (03:32):
It?
Speaker 1 (03:32):
Carry Kittle somebody we were talking about. That's saying it's
gonna be a temptation for a lot of players, particularly
one like John say Murray, Rob making four hundred eleven thousand, who.
Speaker 4 (03:44):
Can double his money or right or or or or
you know, put his friends on and Buddy's on giving
out inside information and you're gonna have the threat of that.
Speaker 5 (03:54):
But I'm well to.
Speaker 3 (03:55):
That to that end.
Speaker 1 (03:56):
Rob, here's some of the numbers, all right, So he
placed thirteen bets on NBA games using a Friends or
Associates online betting account.
Speaker 3 (04:07):
The bets ranged from.
Speaker 1 (04:09):
Fifty fifteen dollars to twenty two thousand dollars total of
over fifty four thousand dollars bet and he he made
he had came out with net winnings of twenty one thy,
nine hundred and sixty five dollars. None of those bets involved.
Speaker 3 (04:28):
Any of the games in which he played.
Speaker 1 (04:31):
But he also gave guys information about his health. He
gave it, They say, he revealed information about his own
health to a known sports better ahead of the game
on March twentieth against Sacramento, and that another better who
(04:52):
got the information placed eighty eighty thousand dollars same game
parlay on you know, like a prop bet on Porter statistics,
and he would have won one point one million rob
And that's the game where Porter played three minutes and
then left the game with an illness. But the bet
(05:13):
DraftKings didn't pay it out. They probably followed the money.
Speaker 4 (05:16):
Right, And Chris eighty thousand, one point one right, that's temptation.
Speaker 1 (05:24):
On somebody like John Tay Porter, right, I mean that's
a red flag. That is a red flag. So much
on this guy.
Speaker 3 (05:32):
You know what I mean?
Speaker 4 (05:33):
Eighty thousand on that guy is a red flag. I
don't care people bet one hundred dollars, fifty dollars, ten dollars, Chris,
You know all kinds of stuff, but eighty thousand is
a lot. But here's my thing. And I think the NBA,
and I'm not saying, dude, you know the rules, Chris.
We talked about it all the time. People always want
to make excuse for Pete Rose. The rules were always there.
(05:56):
You work baseball clubhouses, there's no sign bigger crew in
the clubhouse then that you would be banned right for gambling.
Nothing bigger, So you can't say you didn't know. And
the same thing here. The NBA is fortunate that is
not a big star and they can make an example
out of a kid like this. I don't know what
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you know what I mean as far as gambling. So
now I think you put this out here. You banned
this kid. It wasn't a star or anything or any
kind of big time player. And it's unfortunate. Not that
he didn't deserve it because he knew what the consequences were,
but I just wonder if people out there do they
(06:38):
feel somewhat Chris bad for the kid from the standpoint
that the league is telling everybody else to gamble on
their games, you know, and gambling is okay, and they're
all right with that, but players can't the same thing
with the NFL.
Speaker 5 (06:57):
You could get better.
Speaker 4 (07:00):
It's all of them. I don't know it just I
see it seems rather harsh. But I don't know what
you're gonna do. No, I know, I'm just saying I
don't know what what. You can't lessen it because you
can't allow this to happen. Once you mess with the
integrity of the game. Chris, you have the WWE. You
(07:20):
can't do it.
Speaker 1 (07:21):
No, and Rob and I get and and echo your
feelings about these leagues. The hypocrisy you're pushing gambling. It's
all in the arenas and stadiums and when the teams
are playing and everything. But the players can't do it.
I get the hypocrisy and the way that looks. But
(07:45):
that also, I mean, you can't do it period. But
now that they are in bed like it all has
to be above board. I mean you you're right, it
would become the WWE, which would be horrible.
Speaker 3 (08:01):
Right that we're basically fake and fixed. However, now you've.
Speaker 1 (08:06):
Got tons of money riding on it, Like, how are
you these gambling.
Speaker 3 (08:11):
You know companies.
Speaker 1 (08:13):
The games cannot be fake, they cannot be fixed if
you have people betting on them, you know what I mean,
like betting, like like tonight, I'm taking Philly and it's fixed, right,
and how you how you can't run that if people
are betting money on these games and you're not to
feel bad for him, but you it just has to
(08:34):
happen because you can't let even a whiff of that
in your league.
Speaker 4 (08:40):
Let me let me say this, Manty if you're listening,
and Shay if you're listening, jump on because you guys
are younger and Chris. I don't know if you see
this on Twitter, but on Sundays after NFL games, they
they believe the NFL's fixed or rigged. I cannot get
over how many yeah?
Speaker 3 (09:02):
Do you see it?
Speaker 7 (09:02):
Right?
Speaker 3 (09:03):
We see that with basketball?
Speaker 5 (09:04):
It is Shaye, am I right about this?
Speaker 3 (09:07):
There's a script. Everyone says there's a script.
Speaker 5 (09:09):
There's a script up there. It is. I mean, it's unbelievable.
Speaker 1 (09:12):
I think my feeling on that and I could be wrong,
but I'm just saying that's the money part, that's the
gambling part. But my feeling on that is that that's
just people throwing stuff out.
Speaker 3 (09:25):
They don't I don't think they really believe it.
Speaker 4 (09:28):
I mean, no, no, what I'm saying anybody the money.
Speaker 3 (09:32):
Or fixed is ridiculous.
Speaker 4 (09:34):
I'm just saying it's the gambling part, because Chris, because
people have money on it and they can't believe and
they can't believe that you know that the team didn't
go in the score right up two touchdowns at the
one yard line and they kneeled down Patrick Mahomes did
something in the game, Chris.
Speaker 5 (09:54):
People went nuts.
Speaker 4 (09:55):
Uh, they didn't kick the field goal or something right Shae,
And they didn't cover to spread or something that you
remember that game.
Speaker 1 (10:04):
Oh, there's tons of mom and especially now when teams
are going for stuff on fourth down that.
Speaker 3 (10:10):
They didn't used to go for.
Speaker 1 (10:12):
Now, when teams feel like field goal is not enough,
I gotta score touchdowns, you know, like and and obviously
everybody now has heard J.
Speaker 5 (10:19):
JB.
Speaker 1 (10:20):
Bickerstaff, coach of the Cavs, talk about getting death threats.
And you've heard players talk about you know, people yelling
at them, you know, during the game and about stats
and numbers and point spreads and stuff like that.
Speaker 8 (10:34):
Rob.
Speaker 3 (10:35):
Honestly, the leagues have to really monitor this.
Speaker 1 (10:40):
I would say, Now, maybe again I'm being pollyannish.
Speaker 3 (10:44):
If it gets too bad, and if players get.
Speaker 1 (10:48):
To a point where they either feel legitimately or they
actually are in physical danger. I'm not talking about necessarily
in the arena. I'm talking about away from it, then
I think the leagues. The leagues just need to watch this, Rob,
because I mean, people are if somebody loses enough.
Speaker 3 (11:12):
Money, who knows what they might do.
Speaker 4 (11:13):
No, that's that's the scary part. And we hear the
venom and whatnot. Guys have money riding, they bet their mortgage, Chris,
they bet their school.
Speaker 3 (11:24):
And these guys got all the money in the world.
Speaker 1 (11:26):
Anyway, They're like, man, you you making all this money
and now.
Speaker 4 (11:29):
You can't get and you can't get ten rebounds. You
know what I mean that you can't get ten rebounds
or you have nine and you cost me four thousand
dollars that I was gonna pay my mortgage with.
Speaker 5 (11:42):
Like, that's where people are, and.
Speaker 1 (11:45):
Rob, that's where the leagues have to be careful, man.
And I would even say if if you start getting
wind of stuff like that, and you'd want to be
obviously proactive and do it before anything happened. But I
would even go as far as to say, right, you
need to cut this off. Then there's a reason this
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didn't used to be legal, because you didn't.
Speaker 3 (12:08):
Want people all up on your players like that.
Speaker 1 (12:10):
People still tried it, but it was it was like
limited to you know, the mafia or a few you
know what I mean, like the Wise guys and people
like that.
Speaker 3 (12:20):
But now it could be anybody.
Speaker 4 (12:21):
And you and you remember the idea of having teams
in Vegas, Chris no way, no, how like that was
the last place leagues were talking about it. And now
we got a hockey team, there's a football team there,
there's going to be an NBA team, and baseball's coming.
Speaker 8 (12:41):
Ye.
Speaker 1 (12:43):
I mean, look, I don't gamble, I'm not, you know.
I just think they just gotta be careful. And it
seems like, right, it's just a money graph, it's just
a money grap there's so.
Speaker 5 (12:55):
Much money value.
Speaker 1 (12:56):
You better be careful that you don't put your players
in any danger.
Speaker 3 (13:00):
And thankfully we haven't heard much about that.
Speaker 1 (13:03):
I mean, death threats, you know, nowadays, Rob, people get
those on social media. I don't want to be little,
but at the same time, it happens a lot, you know,
where people don't really mean it and they're just trolling.
But the league and Rob, you know, the leagues they
got security and stuff, they probably are monitor and stuff
like this. You know, so all right eight seven, seven
(13:25):
ninety nine on Fox, John tay Porter banned for life
for gambling.
Speaker 3 (13:31):
Your thoughts too harsh? You feel sorry for him.
Speaker 1 (13:35):
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first you eight seven seven ninety nine on Fox your
thoughts about John T Porter banned.
Speaker 3 (15:53):
For life from the NBA for gambling.
Speaker 4 (15:55):
All right, Chris, let's kick it off with Tim and
Queen's you're on the couple of Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 5 (16:01):
What's up, Tim?
Speaker 10 (16:04):
What's up? Guys? How you doing today?
Speaker 5 (16:06):
Man?
Speaker 11 (16:10):
Yeah, I'm good.
Speaker 12 (16:10):
I'm good.
Speaker 11 (16:11):
When y'all coming back to two seven five.
Speaker 3 (16:16):
I don't know, I don't know. We'll try to work
it out, though.
Speaker 4 (16:19):
Yes, now I'm gonna get on stage the next time
I'll get on stage.
Speaker 11 (16:23):
Yes, I say that, But I just wanted to say
I don't think the NBA did too much with suspending
him for life, because you got to make an example
out of somebody, because it's not like the NFL and
the Calvin Ridley. He wasn't venting on NFL games, but
he was. I was giving people inside information on the
NBA and stuff like that, So that's already a red flag.
(16:46):
So I feel like he got what he deserved. In
that aspect, and then what makes it look worse to
me is that the Toronto Raptors is already a bad
team and you got something to help him win, and
now you throwing games. Who knows that, you know what
I mean? So that's just like, come on, man, you
already on the bad team. You're giving people instat information
(17:06):
on your unders. I don't like that.
Speaker 4 (17:08):
No, that it's hard to overlook that, Chris. That's why
he ain't gonna be playing for nobody. That's just that simple.
Thanks for the call, Tom, appreciate it. Jennifer in Michigan,
you're on the couple of Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 7 (17:25):
What's up, Jennifer, Good evening, guys.
Speaker 6 (17:29):
I agree. I don't think they overstep by banning him,
because I mean, if they didn't get him and someone
else did it and others did.
Speaker 7 (17:43):
Uh, how could people trust the team they're playing or watching?
Speaker 5 (17:50):
Right?
Speaker 7 (17:51):
Isn't betting on the team and not focusing on what
they're supposed to focus on. Don't worry about Harlay's and
worry about playing the game.
Speaker 5 (18:04):
Jennifer, and worry about winning. It ain't about that.
Speaker 4 (18:08):
Like there was a time when people didn't even know
Chris They're always been spread, you know that. But both
players didn't even know like what the spread was in
the game. I've been in press conferences back in the
eighties and and the coach would be like, would ask,
like somebody would say something about a spread. He goes,
what was the spread? You know what I mean? Like
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right like he really wouldn't know what the spread was.
Oh oh, And they'd be like, oh, no, you covered
the spread. There are a lot of people happy you
know that you guys covered the spread. And they'll be like,
I have no idea what.
Speaker 3 (18:38):
You know what it is?
Speaker 4 (18:39):
Absolutely let's go to Brian and Phoenix. You're in the
odd couple of Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 12 (18:45):
What's up, Brian, Man, I appreciate you guys, give me
an opportunity.
Speaker 10 (18:49):
Brian by way of quack QB so Queensbridge Absolutely okay,
But when twenty first in Queen's Bridge, that's the fop
right there? Absolutely absolutely ten Street the block aroun Our,
Tess Verne Fleming and Brian Rody, Yes sir, but but
(19:09):
but anyway, I just wanted to say, man, whenever there's
money involved, there's going to be that temptation to compromise yourself.
So I don't think the Porter incident is going to
be the last incident. I mean, it is happened in
the past, it will continue to happen, and I think
(19:31):
it's unfortunate. But I also think, you know, there there
may also be of officials who compromise themselves. So with
with Donahue, you know, it definitely presents that that opportunity.
I'm still mad back in the day, if y'all remember
Rodney Harmon when he was at Iowa against U C.
(19:51):
L A brother never dropped the past all season.
Speaker 12 (19:54):
And dropped four in that game.
Speaker 3 (19:56):
Yep.
Speaker 12 (19:57):
I'm still convinced that Lloyd London's dad in his pocket.
But anyway, that's that's my piece. I definitely think that,
you know, unfortunately, it's going to bring out a dark
side of the sport and we're gonna see other athletes
that to come to the temptation.
Speaker 4 (20:14):
I don't thanks for the car. I appreciate it, and Chris,
I don't disagree that. You you look at that and go, oh,
he got bamed. Well, you know what, people say, he's dumb.
He got caught. I'm not gonna get caught, you know
what I mean? Like that, if that was the case.
You've seen the harsh penalties to criminals. That doesn't stop crime, Chris.
Speaker 5 (20:33):
They think they won't get caught.
Speaker 1 (20:36):
Yep, you're right, garybody feels desperate enough too, Right, they'll
do it.
Speaker 5 (20:41):
Gary in Houston, you're on the odd couple of Fox
Sports Radio. What's up, Gary?
Speaker 2 (20:45):
Yeah? Okay, Okay, So I don't feel bad for him
because if he didn't want to get caught, you see
you sitcoins but second them all. Okay, So, like I
don't think it's hippoxy at all, because I don't think
believe the thing you can't gamble. They're saying you can't
fix these games or give that image to me, like
they're different things. And also like because the NBA lets
players gamble on like other sports in a legal states.
Speaker 1 (21:11):
I know that, but but there's also one that's it's
not it's just a temptation exactly.
Speaker 3 (21:17):
That's the point in front of people's face.
Speaker 4 (21:19):
Because before before it was you couldn't gamble, period, Chris.
Speaker 3 (21:24):
Period.
Speaker 5 (21:25):
So now now you say it.
Speaker 3 (21:27):
And it was like the leagues were saying, we frowned on.
Speaker 5 (21:29):
It, exactly.
Speaker 3 (21:31):
Don't make a difference.
Speaker 1 (21:33):
Now they're saying they approve of it.
Speaker 3 (21:35):
But you just can't do in this regard.
Speaker 2 (21:37):
No, but that was because it was against the law.
Speaker 4 (21:42):
Yeah, but still it's still against the law in certain
states where I live in California.
Speaker 2 (21:48):
He lets you do it in legal states. They weren't
frowning upon him. They were thinking it was against the
law and they can control the law.
Speaker 3 (21:55):
But it's all over.
Speaker 5 (21:57):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (21:57):
But but Gary, your point. But but your point, though.
Speaker 4 (22:01):
Gary, is is they wouldn't have stuff in Las Vegas
because of the gambling. Even though it was legal there,
they still didn't want to be associated baseball. Kick Mickey Mano, Chris,
you remember this, Mickey Mantle and Willie Mays out of
baseball from doing anything. You know what they were in
Las Vegas. They were greeters at the door. Baseball stopped
(22:24):
them from doing baseball events because they started getting money
from the casinos as greeter.
Speaker 1 (22:30):
They didn't even gamble, right, that's the thing. No, read it,
go look it up.
Speaker 4 (22:35):
Google Willie Mays, Mickey Manto and Las Vegas casinos and
see what baseball did to them.
Speaker 1 (22:42):
All right, Joe Varden's around the corner. But first, Moncey
Belanos with Dfday, Monci.
Speaker 13 (22:48):
Fellas, you guys were talking about how online after every game,
everyone's like, oh, it's scripted this, right. I feel like
that thought has unraveled within the last couple of years.
Speaker 5 (22:59):
We see I see it every single well.
Speaker 1 (23:02):
It used to have common play, you know, this role
in the NBA. Everybody's always thought the lottery was fixed.
Games are fixed. So it's been around longer than the
last one hundred.
Speaker 14 (23:13):
No, no, no, it's been around for a long time.
Speaker 13 (23:16):
But I think at first people said it jokingly, and
now it's unraveled where people bring up examples and like
I always see like Vegas is always right because it's scripted,
and so I just think like, at first you're right, Chris,
that it was like, oh, Joko, it's a script. Now
it has just taken fire, and people, I think, do
(23:36):
believe that they're well people would be.
Speaker 1 (23:39):
Look, let me say this to some of those people
that think, don't bet Oh yeah, if you think it's
a script, don't bet on it. You think you're still
gonna guess, right, well, I'm a guess that the script
goes this way or the script ye. I mean, come on,
you don't waste your hard earn money it's on something
you especially something you think is fake facts.
Speaker 13 (23:59):
Come on fact right there, And I think John tay
Porter is just a big dummy, Like what were you thinking.
Speaker 14 (24:05):
You didn't just bet on games?
Speaker 13 (24:07):
You literally disclosed confidential information. You took yourself out of
a game to limit your participation.
Speaker 14 (24:15):
And then I read that he even bet that the
Raptors would lose. Like it just like so many things
that you did wrong. You didn't just bet, you did
so many other things.
Speaker 13 (24:23):
That is just I'm glad the league just you know,
for like, no buy, no questions asked. All right, fellas.
It is halftime between the Miami Heat and the Philadelphia
seventy six ers. The plan in the Eastern Conference. The
seven and eight seed Miami Heat came to life in
the second quarter, outscoring Philadelphia twenty eight to seventeen. They
are on top, fifty one to thirty nine. Jimmy buckets,
Butler ten points, He's got four steals. He is all
(24:47):
over the place. For a hot second, it looked like
he hurt his knee. He's out there, he is hustling.
He is doing what we expected him to do. Now,
Joelle embiid, my understanding is he's not feeling well. I
was just listening to your guys's friend Steven A. Smith
on ESPN, and he was saying that not like his knee,
like he's just not feeling well, like health wise, so
(25:07):
he's not one hundred percent. But he's got ten points,
he used two eight yes from the field, he's got
six rebounds. He's not playing well, so apparently he's not
feeling well.
Speaker 14 (25:18):
We got a whole second time.
Speaker 3 (25:19):
I don't really want to hear it.
Speaker 1 (25:20):
I mean, I'm not saying from you, MOSEI I want
you to report it, but I don't want to hear
this from Joe l MBI did I if you don't
feel well enough, don't play. But once you're out there,
especially with his history, yeah nah yeah, because when he scores,
when he finishes with sixteen points on thirty five percent shooting,
I don't want the excuse if I didn't.
Speaker 14 (25:40):
Feel well, right, Yeah, that's not what you want to hear.
I'm with you. I'm with you.
Speaker 13 (25:43):
Following this game, it's gonna be the nine to ten
seeds the Hawks take on the Bulls.
Speaker 14 (25:46):
We've got three baseball games still going on.
Speaker 13 (25:48):
Cole Kyle Schwarber has homer twice for the Phillies, there
beating the Rockies seven to four, top of the eighth inning.
Speaker 14 (25:54):
The Angels are still on top of the race by one.
Speaker 13 (25:56):
It's three to two bottom of the six and the
Red Sox are blinking the Guardians two zero, top of
the seventh.
Speaker 14 (26:02):
Back to you guys, all.
Speaker 3 (26:03):
Right, thank you mon.
Speaker 1 (26:04):
Yeah, we are live from the tire rack dot Com studios.
Our next guest covers the NBA for the athletic does
a terrific job. My homeboy from Ohio, Joe Varden. What's up, man,
what's happening?
Speaker 8 (26:18):
Hey guys, Oh man, it's good to be back.
Speaker 3 (26:20):
Great to have you on always. Let's start.
Speaker 1 (26:23):
We were just talking about John t Porter and the
lifetime ban for gambling. What are people around the league saying?
Do they feel it was too harsh? Are they glad
did it? Hopefully we'll send a message or And do
you think the NBA, as well as all the leagues
that are now in bed with gambling, yep, that they
could have opened up a door that might be tough
(26:45):
to close.
Speaker 5 (26:47):
Yeah.
Speaker 8 (26:47):
I think there's a lot there. I mean I think
that the punishment was expected when word got out, you
know exactly what it was that he was accused of.
And I mean, I think if you go back to
when Adam had was discussing the investigation and called it
the Cardinal Sin, you knew that there was there was
a bet place. So I don't think that's a surprise
(27:08):
that you Chris hit on something. I think that is
more to the heart of the story, which is you
have now this very public relationship between the NBA and
vetting companies. And it's not just the NBA, by the way,
the NFL does this, Major League BASEBALLPGA. Yeah, they all
do it, and they've all been chasing it since twenty eighteen.
(27:29):
It took about two and a half years to figure
it out, but in about twenty twenty twenty twenty one,
they figured out how to make money off of the
betting companies. And now they're doing it, and it's totally
saturated every game in every sport. And so with a
relationship like that, it does two things. Both it both
(27:50):
heightens like the urgency to make sure that you don't
have a Johntay Porter situation. But then it also, like
you said, it does money because you know, you're asking
players to maintain the integrity of the game. But however,
they want to try to refute this.
Speaker 6 (28:10):
This is true.
Speaker 8 (28:11):
The sports or the these leagues are now making money
off of the bets placed on.
Speaker 5 (28:16):
Them, right yep.
Speaker 4 (28:19):
And here's the other thing too, with the fan outrage now, like,
ain't it's not like now that fans can bet. You
can go to a Cavaliers game, make a bet inside
the building, go watch the game, and then when somebody
doesn't get the ten rebounds that you need for your
(28:40):
parlay or your bets, you're yelling through the high heavens
like fans are now enraged because they bet on games
and players don't live up to the expectations.
Speaker 8 (28:51):
Yeah, I mean that I should have been smart. I
should have seen that one coming. I guess I wasn't
looking for that. And then when those story started the
leak about you know, like even when JB. Bickerstan You
mentioned Cleveland, like when he said that he was getting
text messages from the scrontled fans talking about where he
lives in suburban Cleveland, Like.
Speaker 10 (29:13):
That is crazy, bonkers.
Speaker 8 (29:15):
I mean, this is is who this is tough guys,
Like it is like it's it's lucrative, you know. I mean,
these these partnerships are worth millions there's no doubt about that.
So I don't know how you cut it off, but
this certainly has opened up a few avenues I would say,
of caution and concerns we saw.
Speaker 4 (29:38):
Oh go ahead, right, I just want to go to here.
What you're going to talk about the Warrior is christ
and Clay uh over ten? What what did you make
of that?
Speaker 7 (29:48):
Uh?
Speaker 5 (29:49):
That that was?
Speaker 4 (29:50):
That had to be humbling And you know, obviously your
team gets knocked out, but you have such a terrible night.
You know you were holding out hope to get some
sort of contract.
Speaker 5 (29:59):
I just don't know how to warriors do this? What
what did you make of last night? And Clay Thompson?
Speaker 8 (30:04):
Yeah, I mean from Clay's perspective, I mean, it's been
a humbling year. You know, he lost his starting job,
like he was removed from the from stretch for you know,
the like clutch c Yeah, you know, so he had
been through that and he had already kind of like
(30:24):
come to grips with it.
Speaker 11 (30:26):
So you know, anytime you.
Speaker 8 (30:29):
Lay an egg like that in a in a close
in a win or go home situation, it's it's tough.
But I think that Clay knows he's at a different
place in his career, and I don't think that he
realistically was again his heart of hearts, that he suspected
(30:49):
that he was going to break the bank again. He's
got to find if there is a market for him
outside of outside of San Francisco, and then if there isn't,
you know, what is the appetite there to bring him
back on a much smaller team friendly contrast, because it will.
Speaker 5 (31:08):
Be the appetite for anybody. I'm dead serious.
Speaker 3 (31:11):
Well, look, I like.
Speaker 1 (31:12):
Him as a veteran off the bitch, you know, championship experience.
You know, obviously he could still shooting and play well
against second unit guys. So I think at the right
price he could help some contenders Joe.
Speaker 8 (31:29):
He could if he finds himself, like I'm thinking about
like Kevin Love, who when Lebron left, like Kevin got
hurt and then when he came back, he just was
not the same player, and then he started to have
a renaissance and he's actually now still going with Miami.
So Clay would need a renaissance. I don't think what
(31:51):
we saw from him this season is would equate to
on the floor contributions for a But I don't think
he forgot how to play either. So if he had
that renaissance, if he found that like sort of thing
that turned him back on, then yeah, it would work.
But I think in that case, you know, that's when.
Speaker 10 (32:14):
Golden State takes a look at him.
Speaker 8 (32:15):
I mean, that's pretty clear that he wants them there.
Speaker 3 (32:19):
Before you go.
Speaker 1 (32:20):
The Lakers, you know, they won their play in and
they get to go play Denver in the first round. Look,
last year, we know it was a sweet we know
Denver's beating them made straight times.
Speaker 3 (32:31):
But those games last year were close.
Speaker 8 (32:33):
Games, very very.
Speaker 1 (32:35):
Right, So do you give I mean, obviously anything could happen,
you know, but do you give them any type of
realistic shot of beating Denver?
Speaker 8 (32:46):
Yeah, I mean I guess I don't look at it
that way. I never go into a series that's two
seven or one eight thinking upset. But I will tell
you guys, and you two know this. But for the listeners,
the Nuggets are still great, but they don't have the
same bench. I think that matters. I also am really
(33:08):
interested in how the Lakers look with Gabe Vincent coming
off the bench. I think that he makes a real
difference night he did, and I just you know, we've
all been watching this team all year, you know, and
you just kind of shrug your shoulders at the bench,
And he made a noticeable difference last night. And I
just wonder the combination of you know, this lineup with
(33:31):
the Ruy starting and you know, Orient Prince coming off
the bench, and now Gabe being available against an untested
Denver second unit, Like maybe that does make the difference
in one or two of these close games they could Yeah, I.
Speaker 4 (33:47):
Mean, but it's a big difference between Denver doesn't have
to sweep them, you know what I mean. Last year
was a sweep you could just win in six games.
The Lakers can compete in a game or two, right, Yeah.
Speaker 10 (33:59):
That's what I think.
Speaker 8 (33:59):
I I just I can't get myself to a place
where I'm going to say the Lakers are going to
do this. I think we're past that point in Lebron's career. Well,
I'd be a heck of a story if we aren't, right,
But I just I kind of think we are.
Speaker 1 (34:14):
Yeah, last thing before you go, who was your MVP?
Speaker 3 (34:20):
I think it'll be Jolkic.
Speaker 1 (34:21):
I voted for Luca, but I think Joka is gonna
win pretty comfortably.
Speaker 2 (34:26):
Chris.
Speaker 8 (34:26):
I stared at this. At one time I had Shay
because he's the he's the young leader of the youngest
team to ever finish first. Then I looked at Luca
and I'm like, oh my god, these numbers are outrageous.
I settled on Jokic.
Speaker 12 (34:42):
I did.
Speaker 8 (34:43):
I just think he is the most all around player.
I don't think he gets credit for what he does defensively,
and the way he impacts the game as a point scoring,
passing center is just it's too much to overcome. And
I think I got to look at history a little
bit to like, you know, how's the story going to
judge us, and like, right, he's the next Larry Bird
(35:05):
or better, and he needs to have the requisite number
of MVPs.
Speaker 3 (35:11):
No, that's fair.
Speaker 1 (35:12):
He is like a seven foot bird for those young people.
They didn't see Bird watch Jokic, and that's a right good.
Speaker 4 (35:20):
The only difference is Larry Bird shorts were way smaller.
Speaker 3 (35:25):
Everybody's remember Joe, They were.
Speaker 5 (35:29):
Wearing hot pants back then. It was crazy.
Speaker 1 (35:36):
Yes, yes, great stuff. As always, man enjoyed the playoffs.
We'll get you on during the postseason.
Speaker 12 (35:42):
At some point, Oh, I can't wait.
Speaker 8 (35:44):
Always going to talk to you guys.
Speaker 1 (35:45):
All right, man, Rob, I was playing in hot pants
in high school and college and yeah, I mean that's
when they were five even twice about it with the
baggy shorts people had on, those those short shorts, like yeah,
way above your thigh, it's amazing.
Speaker 3 (36:05):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (36:05):
I look, I saw some pictures the other day of
me playing high school, and I mean they're like like now,
when I see somebody wearing shorts even close to what
we wore, and even just outside.
Speaker 3 (36:16):
You know, it wasn't just when you play basketball, but it.
Speaker 1 (36:18):
Looks obscene, like like you feel like, dang, you're showing
a lot of thigh, a lot of diy.
Speaker 4 (36:25):
Go look at some of the video on top and
look at and look at what guys are wearing, like
the Pistons had the shorts shorts.
Speaker 1 (36:33):
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Speaker 3 (37:07):
Rob you mentioned it earlier.
Speaker 1 (37:09):
The Warriors go down last night to the Sacramento Kings
and the play in So the Warrior season is over.
Klay Thompson oh for ten overall, oh for six, uh
from three. I believe that was the first n f
NBA game that he's played, Like the entire game where
(37:30):
he only scores zero points.
Speaker 4 (37:32):
That's gotta be heartbreaking, Chris.
Speaker 1 (37:36):
That's probably he may have never scored zero points in
the basketball game, right, Like, So, look, obviously just a
bad night, I mean, beyond a bad night. You can't
overstate how how poorly he performed. But my question to
(37:56):
you is more, I mean that look to me, when
especially when you're a jump shooting team, that's the danger
of the one and done. It could have went the
opposite way where they were on fire and they win,
you know, And that's the thing, and we said it,
that's why the NBA played seven game series and that's
why they should so the best team wins.
Speaker 3 (38:16):
But do you think this is the end?
Speaker 1 (38:19):
That's what everybody's asking now, like will they and should
they break up?
Speaker 4 (38:23):
This team, and sometimes you just have to make a
change to let people know that this isn't the same.
Speaker 5 (38:33):
We're not going to keep living in the past.
Speaker 4 (38:36):
And oh, let's bring the band back together, Chris for
one more try.
Speaker 5 (38:41):
And man, we did win that other championship. Nobody thought
we win.
Speaker 4 (38:45):
This is just a couple of years removed now, like
this is not that team. You gotta get over it
and you gotta start moving forward. They were supposed to
have this, Chris, with the players that they had when
they drafted, when they got lucky and got Wihded Heisman,
and then they had Jordan Poole, you know, like they
had all these younger players who were supposed to keep
(39:06):
this thing kind of moving forward.
Speaker 5 (39:08):
But they're not there anymore.
Speaker 4 (39:10):
Like they got some but they need they yeah, no,
they got they got a few, but they need to
make they need to break this up to say that
this isn't the same band. They need a new singer,
they need a new drummer, whatever, you know, position in
the band.
Speaker 1 (39:26):
The thing is, what do you so, I mean, do
you try to break it down to the studs or
I just don't think at this moment is black and
white yet what they should.
Speaker 4 (39:36):
I just don't think I would not offer Claire contract.
Speaker 3 (39:40):
Well, I would offer him a huge discount.
Speaker 5 (39:43):
I don't want him at any price really, yep.
Speaker 1 (39:47):
Oh, I would definitely bring him back in some part
and I would talk to him about and he did
it this year, but can.
Speaker 3 (39:52):
You accept a lesser role happily?
Speaker 1 (39:56):
And he look, he was professional this year and he
ultimately ended up getting it starting drive back. But if
he were willing to come back for much less money
and accept the roll off the bench, if that's what
we need happily, then I would be fine with bringing
him back. But what I would do, Rob, is if
(40:16):
i'm them, I would I would have it on the table,
not bringing him back. I would shop Andrew Wiggins. Shop
not oh you know like like kind of be willing
to trade.
Speaker 3 (40:28):
No, I'm shopping him. He's a big reason why they
fell off.
Speaker 1 (40:33):
He went from eighteen points a game in his previous
four years with them the twelve this year and shop poorly.
Speaker 5 (40:39):
And he also had a lot of issues family.
Speaker 1 (40:42):
Yeah, and I don't know what they are, and I
don't want to be little, but I will say, Rob,
everybody has a family. You think you don't think other
NBA players might be going through things like divorces and
baby mama drama and.
Speaker 3 (40:56):
Even stuff in the locker room and just family.
Speaker 1 (41:00):
You know, families go through all types of stuff and
so you have to play through it. But I'm shopping him.
I'm listening to Draymond trade offer, like I'm talking to teams.
Speaker 3 (41:11):
You interested in Draymond?
Speaker 5 (41:12):
What do you think?
Speaker 3 (41:13):
What would you get?
Speaker 1 (41:14):
You know, not that I'm looking a trading, but I'm
open to hearing it. All right, we got an hour left.
Y'all know what to do. Keep it locked.
Speaker 7 (41:21):
Ay.
Speaker 3 (41:21):
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Bottom of the hour, Joe Varden, who covers the NBA
for The Athletic, does a torment tremendous job. He will
join us, but until then, we're of course gonna stick
with the NBA. But we're gonna not talk about a game,
not a game, not a game, not a game. We're
(01:21):
gonna talk about Unfortunately, Rob John Tay Porter who bet
remember a couple weeks ago he got suspended, YEP for
betting on games NBA games, not ones he was in,
although he did prop bets.
Speaker 4 (01:39):
Well that was the ones that got everybody suspicious, Chris,
because we know this. You don't think that these casinos
in these book he houses, Chris don't follow the money
to see what kind of bets are being made.
Speaker 5 (01:53):
They know how much money on a.
Speaker 4 (01:54):
Nightly basis or bet on prop bets, and they got
an unusual amount of money for John tay right.
Speaker 3 (02:05):
Yeah, I mean he's a six eleven center.
Speaker 1 (02:07):
Or he was wasn't drafted. He's twenty four years old,
six eleven, twenty four years old to a brother of
Michael Porter Junior, which probably may have helped him get
in the league.
Speaker 3 (02:21):
Maybe, but he did play at Missouri.
Speaker 1 (02:24):
But yeah, two way contracts, so he you know, shuttled
in between the NBA and the G League and wasn't
making that much money for him, He's making four G
eleven thousand stuff like that. But Rob, this young man
has a ruined is an understatement. He's ended his career.
(02:44):
Adam Silver has banned him for life for his gambling.
Speaker 3 (02:49):
What are your.
Speaker 5 (02:50):
Thoughts, combination?
Speaker 4 (02:54):
You know, we've talked about it before, and you know
it's talking out of both odds of your mouth. You're
in bed with the gamblers, Chris. I went to a
CALVS game and they have I don't remember what casino
or whatever sports book right there in the arena.
Speaker 5 (03:10):
Have you been there where in Cleveland?
Speaker 3 (03:15):
No?
Speaker 1 (03:15):
Okay, but I mean I've been there, but not since
the gambling became right.
Speaker 5 (03:19):
No, they have a oh it's all of a sports
book inside. I don't know anybody does. Does they have
that Madison Square Garden? They must.
Speaker 1 (03:28):
I mean there's no doubt. I mean the league is
and we who were who's it was?
Speaker 6 (03:32):
It?
Speaker 1 (03:32):
Carry Kittle somebody we were talking about. That's saying it's
gonna be a temptation for a lot of players, particularly
one like John say Murray, Rob making four hundred eleven thousand, who.
Speaker 4 (03:44):
Can double his money or right or or or or
you know, put his friends on and Buddy's on giving
out inside information and you're gonna have the threat of that.
Speaker 5 (03:54):
But I'm well to.
Speaker 3 (03:55):
That to that end.
Speaker 1 (03:56):
Rob, here's some of the numbers, all right, So he
placed thirteen bets on NBA games using a Friends or
Associates online betting account.
Speaker 3 (04:07):
The bets ranged from.
Speaker 1 (04:09):
Fifty fifteen dollars to twenty two thousand dollars total of
over fifty four thousand dollars bet and he he made
he had came out with net winnings of twenty one thy,
nine hundred and sixty five dollars. None of those bets involved.
Speaker 3 (04:28):
Any of the games in which he played.
Speaker 1 (04:31):
But he also gave guys information about his health. He
gave it, They say, he revealed information about his own
health to a known sports better ahead of the game
on March twentieth against Sacramento, and that another better who
(04:52):
got the information placed eighty eighty thousand dollars same game
parlay on you know, like a prop bet on Porter statistics,
and he would have won one point one million rob
And that's the game where Porter played three minutes and
then left the game with an illness. But the bet
(05:13):
DraftKings didn't pay it out. They probably followed the money.
Speaker 4 (05:16):
Right, And Chris eighty thousand, one point one right, that's temptation.
Speaker 1 (05:24):
On somebody like John Tay Porter, right, I mean that's
a red flag. That is a red flag. So much
on this guy.
Speaker 3 (05:32):
You know what I mean?
Speaker 4 (05:33):
Eighty thousand on that guy is a red flag. I
don't care people bet one hundred dollars, fifty dollars, ten dollars, Chris,
You know all kinds of stuff, but eighty thousand is
a lot. But here's my thing. And I think the NBA,
and I'm not saying, dude, you know the rules, Chris.
We talked about it all the time. People always want
to make excuse for Pete Rose. The rules were always there.
(05:56):
You work baseball clubhouses, there's no sign bigger crew in
the clubhouse then that you would be banned right for gambling.
Nothing bigger, So you can't say you didn't know. And
the same thing here. The NBA is fortunate that is
not a big star and they can make an example
out of a kid like this. I don't know what
(06:17):
you know what I mean as far as gambling. So
now I think you put this out here. You banned
this kid. It wasn't a star or anything or any
kind of big time player. And it's unfortunate. Not that
he didn't deserve it because he knew what the consequences were,
but I just wonder if people out there do they
(06:38):
feel somewhat Chris bad for the kid from the standpoint
that the league is telling everybody else to gamble on
their games, you know, and gambling is okay, and they're
all right with that, but players can't the same thing
with the NFL.
Speaker 5 (06:57):
You could get better.
Speaker 4 (07:00):
It's all of them. I don't know it just I
see it seems rather harsh. But I don't know what
you're gonna do. No, I know, I'm just saying I
don't know what what. You can't lessen it because you
can't allow this to happen. Once you mess with the
integrity of the game. Chris, you have the WWE. You
(07:20):
can't do it.
Speaker 1 (07:21):
No, and Rob and I get and and echo your
feelings about these leagues. The hypocrisy you're pushing gambling. It's
all in the arenas and stadiums and when the teams
are playing and everything. But the players can't do it.
I get the hypocrisy and the way that looks. But
(07:45):
that also, I mean, you can't do it period. But
now that they are in bed like it all has
to be above board. I mean you you're right, it
would become the WWE, which would be horrible.
Speaker 3 (08:01):
Right that we're basically fake and fixed. However, now you've.
Speaker 1 (08:06):
Got tons of money riding on it, Like, how are
you these gambling.
Speaker 3 (08:11):
You know companies.
Speaker 1 (08:13):
The games cannot be fake, they cannot be fixed if
you have people betting on them, you know what I mean,
like betting, like like tonight, I'm taking Philly and it's fixed, right,
and how you how you can't run that if people
are betting money on these games and you're not to
feel bad for him, but you it just has to
(08:34):
happen because you can't let even a whiff of that
in your league.
Speaker 4 (08:40):
Let me let me say this, Manty if you're listening,
and Shay if you're listening, jump on because you guys
are younger and Chris. I don't know if you see
this on Twitter, but on Sundays after NFL games, they
they believe the NFL's fixed or rigged. I cannot get
over how many yeah?
Speaker 3 (09:02):
Do you see it?
Speaker 7 (09:02):
Right?
Speaker 3 (09:03):
We see that with basketball?
Speaker 5 (09:04):
It is Shaye, am I right about this?
Speaker 3 (09:07):
There's a script. Everyone says there's a script.
Speaker 5 (09:09):
There's a script up there. It is. I mean, it's unbelievable.
Speaker 1 (09:12):
I think my feeling on that and I could be wrong,
but I'm just saying that's the money part, that's the
gambling part. But my feeling on that is that that's
just people throwing stuff out.
Speaker 3 (09:25):
They don't I don't think they really believe it.
Speaker 4 (09:28):
I mean, no, no, what I'm saying anybody the money.
Speaker 3 (09:32):
Or fixed is ridiculous.
Speaker 4 (09:34):
I'm just saying it's the gambling part, because Chris, because
people have money on it and they can't believe and
they can't believe that you know that the team didn't
go in the score right up two touchdowns at the
one yard line and they kneeled down Patrick Mahomes did
something in the game, Chris.
Speaker 5 (09:54):
People went nuts.
Speaker 4 (09:55):
Uh, they didn't kick the field goal or something right Shae,
And they didn't cover to spread or something that you
remember that game.
Speaker 1 (10:04):
Oh, there's tons of mom and especially now when teams
are going for stuff on fourth down that.
Speaker 3 (10:10):
They didn't used to go for.
Speaker 1 (10:12):
Now, when teams feel like field goal is not enough,
I gotta score touchdowns, you know, like and and obviously
everybody now has heard J.
Speaker 5 (10:19):
JB.
Speaker 1 (10:20):
Bickerstaff, coach of the Cavs, talk about getting death threats.
And you've heard players talk about you know, people yelling
at them, you know, during the game and about stats
and numbers and point spreads and stuff like that.
Speaker 8 (10:34):
Rob.
Speaker 3 (10:35):
Honestly, the leagues have to really monitor this.
Speaker 1 (10:40):
I would say, Now, maybe again I'm being pollyannish.
Speaker 3 (10:44):
If it gets too bad, and if players get.
Speaker 1 (10:48):
To a point where they either feel legitimately or they
actually are in physical danger. I'm not talking about necessarily
in the arena. I'm talking about away from it, then
I think the leagues. The leagues just need to watch this, Rob,
because I mean, people are if somebody loses enough.
Speaker 3 (11:12):
Money, who knows what they might do.
Speaker 4 (11:13):
No, that's that's the scary part. And we hear the
venom and whatnot. Guys have money riding, they bet their mortgage, Chris,
they bet their school.
Speaker 3 (11:24):
And these guys got all the money in the world.
Speaker 1 (11:26):
Anyway, They're like, man, you you making all this money
and now.
Speaker 4 (11:29):
You can't get and you can't get ten rebounds. You
know what I mean that you can't get ten rebounds
or you have nine and you cost me four thousand
dollars that I was gonna pay my mortgage with.
Speaker 5 (11:42):
Like, that's where people are, and.
Speaker 1 (11:45):
Rob, that's where the leagues have to be careful, man.
And I would even say if if you start getting
wind of stuff like that, and you'd want to be
obviously proactive and do it before anything happened. But I
would even go as far as to say, right, you
need to cut this off. Then there's a reason this
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didn't used to be legal, because you didn't.
Speaker 3 (12:08):
Want people all up on your players like that.
Speaker 1 (12:10):
People still tried it, but it was it was like
limited to you know, the mafia or a few you
know what I mean, like the Wise guys and people
like that.
Speaker 3 (12:20):
But now it could be anybody.
Speaker 4 (12:21):
And you and you remember the idea of having teams
in Vegas, Chris no way, no, how like that was
the last place leagues were talking about it. And now
we got a hockey team, there's a football team there,
there's going to be an NBA team, and baseball's coming.
Speaker 8 (12:41):
Ye.
Speaker 1 (12:43):
I mean, look, I don't gamble, I'm not, you know.
I just think they just gotta be careful. And it
seems like, right, it's just a money graph, it's just
a money grap there's so.
Speaker 5 (12:55):
Much money value.
Speaker 1 (12:56):
You better be careful that you don't put your players
in any danger.
Speaker 3 (13:00):
And thankfully we haven't heard much about that.
Speaker 1 (13:03):
I mean, death threats, you know, nowadays, Rob, people get
those on social media. I don't want to be little,
but at the same time, it happens a lot, you know,
where people don't really mean it and they're just trolling.
But the league and Rob, you know, the leagues they
got security and stuff, they probably are monitor and stuff
like this. You know, so all right eight seven, seven
(13:25):
ninety nine on Fox, John tay Porter banned for life
for gambling.
Speaker 3 (13:31):
Your thoughts too harsh? You feel sorry for him.
Speaker 1 (13:35):
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first you eight seven seven ninety nine on Fox your
thoughts about John T Porter banned.
Speaker 3 (15:53):
For life from the NBA for gambling.
Speaker 4 (15:55):
All right, Chris, let's kick it off with Tim and
Queen's you're on the couple of Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 5 (16:01):
What's up, Tim?
Speaker 10 (16:04):
What's up? Guys? How you doing today?
Speaker 5 (16:06):
Man?
Speaker 11 (16:10):
Yeah, I'm good.
Speaker 12 (16:10):
I'm good.
Speaker 11 (16:11):
When y'all coming back to two seven five.
Speaker 3 (16:16):
I don't know, I don't know. We'll try to work
it out, though.
Speaker 4 (16:19):
Yes, now I'm gonna get on stage the next time
I'll get on stage.
Speaker 11 (16:23):
Yes, I say that, But I just wanted to say
I don't think the NBA did too much with suspending
him for life, because you got to make an example
out of somebody, because it's not like the NFL and
the Calvin Ridley. He wasn't venting on NFL games, but
he was. I was giving people inside information on the
NBA and stuff like that, So that's already a red flag.
(16:46):
So I feel like he got what he deserved. In
that aspect, and then what makes it look worse to
me is that the Toronto Raptors is already a bad
team and you got something to help him win, and
now you throwing games. Who knows that, you know what
I mean? So that's just like, come on, man, you
already on the bad team. You're giving people instat information
(17:06):
on your unders. I don't like that.
Speaker 4 (17:08):
No, that it's hard to overlook that, Chris. That's why
he ain't gonna be playing for nobody. That's just that simple.
Thanks for the call, Tom, appreciate it. Jennifer in Michigan,
you're on the couple of Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 7 (17:25):
What's up, Jennifer, Good evening, guys.
Speaker 6 (17:29):
I agree. I don't think they overstep by banning him,
because I mean, if they didn't get him and someone
else did it and others did.
Speaker 7 (17:43):
Uh, how could people trust the team they're playing or watching?
Speaker 5 (17:50):
Right?
Speaker 7 (17:51):
Isn't betting on the team and not focusing on what
they're supposed to focus on. Don't worry about Harlay's and
worry about playing the game.
Speaker 5 (18:04):
Jennifer, and worry about winning. It ain't about that.
Speaker 4 (18:08):
Like there was a time when people didn't even know
Chris They're always been spread, you know that. But both
players didn't even know like what the spread was in
the game. I've been in press conferences back in the
eighties and and the coach would be like, would ask,
like somebody would say something about a spread. He goes,
what was the spread? You know what I mean? Like
(18:28):
right like he really wouldn't know what the spread was.
Oh oh, And they'd be like, oh, no, you covered
the spread. There are a lot of people happy you
know that you guys covered the spread. And they'll be like,
I have no idea what.
Speaker 3 (18:38):
You know what it is?
Speaker 4 (18:39):
Absolutely let's go to Brian and Phoenix. You're in the
odd couple of Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 12 (18:45):
What's up, Brian, Man, I appreciate you guys, give me
an opportunity.
Speaker 10 (18:49):
Brian by way of quack QB so Queensbridge Absolutely okay,
But when twenty first in Queen's Bridge, that's the fop
right there? Absolutely absolutely ten Street the block aroun Our,
Tess Verne Fleming and Brian Rody, Yes sir, but but
(19:09):
but anyway, I just wanted to say, man, whenever there's
money involved, there's going to be that temptation to compromise yourself.
So I don't think the Porter incident is going to
be the last incident. I mean, it is happened in
the past, it will continue to happen, and I think
(19:31):
it's unfortunate. But I also think, you know, there there
may also be of officials who compromise themselves. So with
with Donahue, you know, it definitely presents that that opportunity.
I'm still mad back in the day, if y'all remember
Rodney Harmon when he was at Iowa against U C.
(19:51):
L A brother never dropped the past all season.
Speaker 12 (19:54):
And dropped four in that game.
Speaker 3 (19:56):
Yep.
Speaker 12 (19:57):
I'm still convinced that Lloyd London's dad in his pocket.
But anyway, that's that's my piece. I definitely think that,
you know, unfortunately, it's going to bring out a dark
side of the sport and we're gonna see other athletes
that to come to the temptation.
Speaker 4 (20:14):
I don't thanks for the car. I appreciate it, and Chris,
I don't disagree that. You you look at that and go, oh,
he got bamed. Well, you know what, people say, he's dumb.
He got caught. I'm not gonna get caught, you know
what I mean? Like that, if that was the case.
You've seen the harsh penalties to criminals. That doesn't stop crime, Chris.
Speaker 5 (20:33):
They think they won't get caught.
Speaker 1 (20:36):
Yep, you're right, garybody feels desperate enough too, Right, they'll
do it.
Speaker 5 (20:41):
Gary in Houston, you're on the odd couple of Fox
Sports Radio. What's up, Gary?
Speaker 2 (20:45):
Yeah? Okay, Okay, So I don't feel bad for him
because if he didn't want to get caught, you see
you sitcoins but second them all. Okay, So, like I
don't think it's hippoxy at all, because I don't think
believe the thing you can't gamble. They're saying you can't
fix these games or give that image to me, like
they're different things. And also like because the NBA lets
players gamble on like other sports in a legal states.
Speaker 1 (21:11):
I know that, but but there's also one that's it's
not it's just a temptation exactly.
Speaker 3 (21:17):
That's the point in front of people's face.
Speaker 4 (21:19):
Because before before it was you couldn't gamble, period, Chris.
Speaker 3 (21:24):
Period.
Speaker 5 (21:25):
So now now you say it.
Speaker 3 (21:27):
And it was like the leagues were saying, we frowned on.
Speaker 5 (21:29):
It, exactly.
Speaker 3 (21:31):
Don't make a difference.
Speaker 1 (21:33):
Now they're saying they approve of it.
Speaker 3 (21:35):
But you just can't do in this regard.
Speaker 2 (21:37):
No, but that was because it was against the law.
Speaker 4 (21:42):
Yeah, but still it's still against the law in certain
states where I live in California.
Speaker 2 (21:48):
He lets you do it in legal states. They weren't
frowning upon him. They were thinking it was against the
law and they can control the law.
Speaker 3 (21:55):
But it's all over.
Speaker 5 (21:57):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (21:57):
But but Gary, your point. But but your point, though.
Speaker 4 (22:01):
Gary, is is they wouldn't have stuff in Las Vegas
because of the gambling. Even though it was legal there,
they still didn't want to be associated baseball. Kick Mickey Mano, Chris,
you remember this, Mickey Mantle and Willie Mays out of
baseball from doing anything. You know what they were in
Las Vegas. They were greeters at the door. Baseball stopped
(22:24):
them from doing baseball events because they started getting money
from the casinos as greeter.
Speaker 1 (22:30):
They didn't even gamble, right, that's the thing. No, read it,
go look it up.
Speaker 4 (22:35):
Google Willie Mays, Mickey Manto and Las Vegas casinos and
see what baseball did to them.
Speaker 1 (22:42):
All right, Joe Varden's around the corner. But first, Moncey
Belanos with Dfday, Monci.
Speaker 13 (22:48):
Fellas, you guys were talking about how online after every game,
everyone's like, oh, it's scripted this, right. I feel like
that thought has unraveled within the last couple of years.
Speaker 5 (22:59):
We see I see it every single well.
Speaker 1 (23:02):
It used to have common play, you know, this role
in the NBA. Everybody's always thought the lottery was fixed.
Games are fixed. So it's been around longer than the
last one hundred.
Speaker 14 (23:13):
No, no, no, it's been around for a long time.
Speaker 13 (23:16):
But I think at first people said it jokingly, and
now it's unraveled where people bring up examples and like
I always see like Vegas is always right because it's scripted,
and so I just think like, at first you're right, Chris,
that it was like, oh, Joko, it's a script. Now
it has just taken fire, and people, I think, do
(23:36):
believe that they're well people would be.
Speaker 1 (23:39):
Look, let me say this to some of those people
that think, don't bet Oh yeah, if you think it's
a script, don't bet on it. You think you're still
gonna guess, right, well, I'm a guess that the script
goes this way or the script ye. I mean, come on,
you don't waste your hard earn money it's on something
you especially something you think is fake facts.
Speaker 13 (23:59):
Come on fact right there, And I think John tay
Porter is just a big dummy, Like what were you thinking.
Speaker 14 (24:05):
You didn't just bet on games?
Speaker 13 (24:07):
You literally disclosed confidential information. You took yourself out of
a game to limit your participation.
Speaker 14 (24:15):
And then I read that he even bet that the
Raptors would lose. Like it just like so many things
that you did wrong. You didn't just bet, you did
so many other things.
Speaker 13 (24:23):
That is just I'm glad the league just you know,
for like, no buy, no questions asked. All right, fellas.
It is halftime between the Miami Heat and the Philadelphia
seventy six ers. The plan in the Eastern Conference. The
seven and eight seed Miami Heat came to life in
the second quarter, outscoring Philadelphia twenty eight to seventeen. They
are on top, fifty one to thirty nine. Jimmy buckets,
Butler ten points, He's got four steals. He is all
(24:47):
over the place. For a hot second, it looked like
he hurt his knee. He's out there, he is hustling.
He is doing what we expected him to do. Now,
Joelle embiid, my understanding is he's not feeling well. I
was just listening to your guys's friend Steven A. Smith
on ESPN, and he was saying that not like his knee,
like he's just not feeling well, like health wise, so
(25:07):
he's not one hundred percent. But he's got ten points,
he used two eight yes from the field, he's got
six rebounds. He's not playing well, so apparently he's not
feeling well.
Speaker 14 (25:18):
We got a whole second time.
Speaker 3 (25:19):
I don't really want to hear it.
Speaker 1 (25:20):
I mean, I'm not saying from you, MOSEI I want
you to report it, but I don't want to hear
this from Joe l MBI did I if you don't
feel well enough, don't play. But once you're out there,
especially with his history, yeah nah yeah, because when he scores,
when he finishes with sixteen points on thirty five percent shooting,
I don't want the excuse if I didn't.
Speaker 14 (25:40):
Feel well, right, Yeah, that's not what you want to hear.
I'm with you. I'm with you.
Speaker 13 (25:43):
Following this game, it's gonna be the nine to ten
seeds the Hawks take on the Bulls.
Speaker 14 (25:46):
We've got three baseball games still going on.
Speaker 13 (25:48):
Cole Kyle Schwarber has homer twice for the Phillies, there
beating the Rockies seven to four, top of the eighth inning.
Speaker 14 (25:54):
The Angels are still on top of the race by one.
Speaker 13 (25:56):
It's three to two bottom of the six and the
Red Sox are blinking the Guardians two zero, top of
the seventh.
Speaker 14 (26:02):
Back to you guys, all.
Speaker 3 (26:03):
Right, thank you mon.
Speaker 1 (26:04):
Yeah, we are live from the tire rack dot Com studios.
Our next guest covers the NBA for the athletic does
a terrific job. My homeboy from Ohio, Joe Varden. What's up, man,
what's happening?
Speaker 8 (26:18):
Hey guys, Oh man, it's good to be back.
Speaker 3 (26:20):
Great to have you on always. Let's start.
Speaker 1 (26:23):
We were just talking about John t Porter and the
lifetime ban for gambling. What are people around the league saying?
Do they feel it was too harsh? Are they glad
did it? Hopefully we'll send a message or And do
you think the NBA, as well as all the leagues
that are now in bed with gambling, yep, that they
could have opened up a door that might be tough
(26:45):
to close.
Speaker 5 (26:47):
Yeah.
Speaker 8 (26:47):
I think there's a lot there. I mean I think
that the punishment was expected when word got out, you
know exactly what it was that he was accused of.
And I mean, I think if you go back to
when Adam had was discussing the investigation and called it
the Cardinal Sin, you knew that there was there was
a bet place. So I don't think that's a surprise
(27:08):
that you Chris hit on something. I think that is
more to the heart of the story, which is you
have now this very public relationship between the NBA and
vetting companies. And it's not just the NBA, by the way,
the NFL does this, Major League BASEBALLPGA. Yeah, they all
do it, and they've all been chasing it since twenty eighteen.
(27:29):
It took about two and a half years to figure
it out, but in about twenty twenty twenty twenty one,
they figured out how to make money off of the
betting companies. And now they're doing it, and it's totally
saturated every game in every sport. And so with a
relationship like that, it does two things. Both it both
(27:50):
heightens like the urgency to make sure that you don't
have a Johntay Porter situation. But then it also, like
you said, it does money because you know, you're asking
players to maintain the integrity of the game. But however,
they want to try to refute this.
Speaker 6 (28:10):
This is true.
Speaker 8 (28:11):
The sports or the these leagues are now making money
off of the bets placed on.
Speaker 5 (28:16):
Them, right yep.
Speaker 4 (28:19):
And here's the other thing too, with the fan outrage now, like,
ain't it's not like now that fans can bet. You
can go to a Cavaliers game, make a bet inside
the building, go watch the game, and then when somebody
doesn't get the ten rebounds that you need for your
(28:40):
parlay or your bets, you're yelling through the high heavens
like fans are now enraged because they bet on games
and players don't live up to the expectations.
Speaker 8 (28:51):
Yeah, I mean that I should have been smart. I
should have seen that one coming. I guess I wasn't
looking for that. And then when those story started the
leak about you know, like even when JB. Bickerstan You
mentioned Cleveland, like when he said that he was getting
text messages from the scrontled fans talking about where he
lives in suburban Cleveland, Like.
Speaker 10 (29:13):
That is crazy, bonkers.
Speaker 8 (29:15):
I mean, this is is who this is tough guys,
Like it is like it's it's lucrative, you know. I mean,
these these partnerships are worth millions there's no doubt about that.
So I don't know how you cut it off, but
this certainly has opened up a few avenues I would say,
of caution and concerns we saw.
Speaker 4 (29:38):
Oh go ahead, right, I just want to go to here.
What you're going to talk about the Warrior is christ
and Clay uh over ten? What what did you make
of that?
Speaker 7 (29:48):
Uh?
Speaker 5 (29:49):
That that was?
Speaker 4 (29:50):
That had to be humbling And you know, obviously your
team gets knocked out, but you have such a terrible night.
You know you were holding out hope to get some
sort of contract.
Speaker 5 (29:59):
I just don't know how to warriors do this? What
what did you make of last night? And Clay Thompson?
Speaker 8 (30:04):
Yeah, I mean from Clay's perspective, I mean, it's been
a humbling year. You know, he lost his starting job,
like he was removed from the from stretch for you know,
the like clutch c Yeah, you know, so he had
been through that and he had already kind of like
(30:24):
come to grips with it.
Speaker 11 (30:26):
So you know, anytime you.
Speaker 8 (30:29):
Lay an egg like that in a in a close
in a win or go home situation, it's it's tough.
But I think that Clay knows he's at a different
place in his career, and I don't think that he
realistically was again his heart of hearts, that he suspected
(30:49):
that he was going to break the bank again. He's
got to find if there is a market for him
outside of outside of San Francisco, and then if there isn't,
you know, what is the appetite there to bring him
back on a much smaller team friendly contrast, because it will.
Speaker 5 (31:08):
Be the appetite for anybody. I'm dead serious.
Speaker 3 (31:11):
Well, look, I like.
Speaker 1 (31:12):
Him as a veteran off the bitch, you know, championship experience.
You know, obviously he could still shooting and play well
against second unit guys. So I think at the right
price he could help some contenders Joe.
Speaker 8 (31:29):
He could if he finds himself, like I'm thinking about
like Kevin Love, who when Lebron left, like Kevin got
hurt and then when he came back, he just was
not the same player, and then he started to have
a renaissance and he's actually now still going with Miami.
So Clay would need a renaissance. I don't think what
(31:51):
we saw from him this season is would equate to
on the floor contributions for a But I don't think
he forgot how to play either. So if he had
that renaissance, if he found that like sort of thing
that turned him back on, then yeah, it would work.
But I think in that case, you know, that's when.
Speaker 10 (32:14):
Golden State takes a look at him.
Speaker 8 (32:15):
I mean, that's pretty clear that he wants them there.
Speaker 3 (32:19):
Before you go.
Speaker 1 (32:20):
The Lakers, you know, they won their play in and
they get to go play Denver in the first round. Look,
last year, we know it was a sweet we know
Denver's beating them made straight times.
Speaker 3 (32:31):
But those games last year were close.
Speaker 8 (32:33):
Games, very very.
Speaker 1 (32:35):
Right, So do you give I mean, obviously anything could happen,
you know, but do you give them any type of
realistic shot of beating Denver?
Speaker 8 (32:46):
Yeah, I mean I guess I don't look at it
that way. I never go into a series that's two
seven or one eight thinking upset. But I will tell
you guys, and you two know this. But for the listeners,
the Nuggets are still great, but they don't have the
same bench. I think that matters. I also am really
(33:08):
interested in how the Lakers look with Gabe Vincent coming
off the bench. I think that he makes a real
difference night he did, and I just you know, we've
all been watching this team all year, you know, and
you just kind of shrug your shoulders at the bench,
And he made a noticeable difference last night. And I
just wonder the combination of you know, this lineup with
(33:31):
the Ruy starting and you know, Orient Prince coming off
the bench, and now Gabe being available against an untested
Denver second unit, Like maybe that does make the difference
in one or two of these close games they could Yeah, I.
Speaker 4 (33:47):
Mean, but it's a big difference between Denver doesn't have
to sweep them, you know what I mean. Last year
was a sweep you could just win in six games.
The Lakers can compete in a game or two, right, Yeah.
Speaker 10 (33:59):
That's what I think.
Speaker 8 (33:59):
I I just I can't get myself to a place
where I'm going to say the Lakers are going to
do this. I think we're past that point in Lebron's career. Well,
I'd be a heck of a story if we aren't, right,
But I just I kind of think we are.
Speaker 1 (34:14):
Yeah, last thing before you go, who was your MVP?
Speaker 3 (34:20):
I think it'll be Jolkic.
Speaker 1 (34:21):
I voted for Luca, but I think Joka is gonna
win pretty comfortably.
Speaker 2 (34:26):
Chris.
Speaker 8 (34:26):
I stared at this. At one time I had Shay
because he's the he's the young leader of the youngest
team to ever finish first. Then I looked at Luca
and I'm like, oh my god, these numbers are outrageous.
I settled on Jokic.
Speaker 12 (34:42):
I did.
Speaker 8 (34:43):
I just think he is the most all around player.
I don't think he gets credit for what he does defensively,
and the way he impacts the game as a point scoring,
passing center is just it's too much to overcome. And
I think I got to look at history a little
bit to like, you know, how's the story going to
judge us, and like, right, he's the next Larry Bird
(35:05):
or better, and he needs to have the requisite number
of MVPs.
Speaker 3 (35:11):
No, that's fair.
Speaker 1 (35:12):
He is like a seven foot bird for those young people.
They didn't see Bird watch Jokic, and that's a right good.
Speaker 4 (35:20):
The only difference is Larry Bird shorts were way smaller.
Speaker 3 (35:25):
Everybody's remember Joe, They were.
Speaker 5 (35:29):
Wearing hot pants back then. It was crazy.
Speaker 1 (35:36):
Yes, yes, great stuff. As always, man enjoyed the playoffs.
We'll get you on during the postseason.
Speaker 12 (35:42):
At some point, Oh, I can't wait.
Speaker 8 (35:44):
Always going to talk to you guys.
Speaker 1 (35:45):
All right, man, Rob, I was playing in hot pants
in high school and college and yeah, I mean that's
when they were five even twice about it with the
baggy shorts people had on, those those short shorts, like yeah,
way above your thigh, it's amazing.
Speaker 3 (36:05):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (36:05):
I look, I saw some pictures the other day of
me playing high school, and I mean they're like like now,
when I see somebody wearing shorts even close to what
we wore, and even just outside.
Speaker 3 (36:16):
You know, it wasn't just when you play basketball, but it.
Speaker 1 (36:18):
Looks obscene, like like you feel like, dang, you're showing
a lot of thigh, a lot of diy.
Speaker 4 (36:25):
Go look at some of the video on top and
look at and look at what guys are wearing, like
the Pistons had the shorts shorts.
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Speaker 3 (37:07):
Rob you mentioned it earlier.
Speaker 1 (37:09):
The Warriors go down last night to the Sacramento Kings
and the play in So the Warrior season is over.
Klay Thompson oh for ten overall, oh for six, uh
from three. I believe that was the first n f
NBA game that he's played, Like the entire game where
(37:30):
he only scores zero points.
Speaker 4 (37:32):
That's gotta be heartbreaking, Chris.
Speaker 1 (37:36):
That's probably he may have never scored zero points in
the basketball game, right, Like, So, look, obviously just a
bad night, I mean, beyond a bad night. You can't
overstate how how poorly he performed. But my question to
(37:56):
you is more, I mean that look to me, when
especially when you're a jump shooting team, that's the danger
of the one and done. It could have went the
opposite way where they were on fire and they win,
you know, And that's the thing, and we said it,
that's why the NBA played seven game series and that's
why they should so the best team wins.
Speaker 3 (38:16):
But do you think this is the end?
Speaker 1 (38:19):
That's what everybody's asking now, like will they and should
they break up?
Speaker 4 (38:23):
This team, and sometimes you just have to make a
change to let people know that this isn't the same.
Speaker 5 (38:33):
We're not going to keep living in the past.
Speaker 4 (38:36):
And oh, let's bring the band back together, Chris for
one more try.
Speaker 5 (38:41):
And man, we did win that other championship. Nobody thought
we win.
Speaker 4 (38:45):
This is just a couple of years removed now, like
this is not that team. You gotta get over it
and you gotta start moving forward. They were supposed to
have this, Chris, with the players that they had when
they drafted, when they got lucky and got Wihded Heisman,
and then they had Jordan Poole, you know, like they
had all these younger players who were supposed to keep
(39:06):
this thing kind of moving forward.
Speaker 5 (39:08):
But they're not there anymore.
Speaker 4 (39:10):
Like they got some but they need they yeah, no,
they got they got a few, but they need to
make they need to break this up to say that
this isn't the same band. They need a new singer,
they need a new drummer, whatever, you know, position in
the band.
Speaker 1 (39:26):
The thing is, what do you so, I mean, do
you try to break it down to the studs or
I just don't think at this moment is black and
white yet what they should.
Speaker 4 (39:36):
I just don't think I would not offer Claire contract.
Speaker 3 (39:40):
Well, I would offer him a huge discount.
Speaker 5 (39:43):
I don't want him at any price really, yep.
Speaker 1 (39:47):
Oh, I would definitely bring him back in some part
and I would talk to him about and he did
it this year, but can.
Speaker 3 (39:52):
You accept a lesser role happily?
Speaker 1 (39:56):
And he look, he was professional this year and he
ultimately ended up getting it starting drive back. But if
he were willing to come back for much less money
and accept the roll off the bench, if that's what
we need happily, then I would be fine with bringing
him back. But what I would do, Rob, is if
(40:16):
i'm them, I would I would have it on the table,
not bringing him back. I would shop Andrew Wiggins. Shop
not oh you know like like kind of be willing
to trade.
Speaker 3 (40:28):
No, I'm shopping him. He's a big reason why they
fell off.
Speaker 1 (40:33):
He went from eighteen points a game in his previous
four years with them the twelve this year and shop poorly.
Speaker 5 (40:39):
And he also had a lot of issues family.
Speaker 1 (40:42):
Yeah, and I don't know what they are, and I
don't want to be little, but I will say, Rob,
everybody has a family. You think you don't think other
NBA players might be going through things like divorces and
baby mama drama and.
Speaker 3 (40:56):
Even stuff in the locker room and just family.
Speaker 1 (41:00):
You know, families go through all types of stuff and
so you have to play through it. But I'm shopping him.
I'm listening to Draymond trade offer, like I'm talking to teams.
Speaker 3 (41:11):
You interested in Draymond?
Speaker 5 (41:12):
What do you think?
Speaker 3 (41:13):
What would you get?
Speaker 1 (41:14):
You know, not that I'm looking a trading, but I'm
open to hearing it. All right, we got an hour left.
Y'all know what to do. Keep it locked.
Speaker 7 (41:21):
Ay.
Speaker 3 (41:21):
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