April 20, 2024 • 32 mins
Chris and Rob debate whether another NBA championship (capped off with another NBA Finals MVP award) would elevate Nikola Jokic into the top-10 all-time in NBA history and discuss how much blame Damian Lillard deserves for the Milwaukee Buck’s disappointing season thus far. Plus, Hall of Fame boxing trainer and host of ‘The Fight with Teddy Atlas’ podcast – Teddy Atlas – swings by to discuss Ryan Garcia’s recent erratic behavior, how he’s handicapping the Garcia-Devin Haney fight, his biggest problem with the upcoming Jake Paul-Mike Tyson exhibition match and much more!
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 3 (00:31):
Without question, the Joker.
Speaker 1 (00:36):
Is playing for a spot in the top ten in
the NBA Top ten Players ever.
Speaker 3 (00:47):
Yes, what what?
Speaker 4 (00:49):
What?
Speaker 1 (00:50):
Top ten? And I'm going just hear me out with this. Yeah,
I'm gonna hear you out out. You know you got
a name the other nine. No, Okay, I don't like
to do te people in everybody's time. I got it,
I got it. But I'm talking about what I'm looking at.
What he was able to accomplish last year, average in
the triple double, how he annihilated the record books in
(01:12):
the postseason. Now, obviously, Chris, a lot has to happen
before I'm jumping this, so just follow the championship. Win
the MVP and the championship. Okay, win the MVP and
the championship same as last year. If he does that
Chris back to back and he's won three of the
last four MVPs.
Speaker 3 (01:31):
And again.
Speaker 1 (01:34):
Puts in the season, the postseason to a postseason to remember,
it's gonna be hard to not look at this guy
and think with supposedly all this talent, all people talk
about all the modern players, say that, uh, this is
the best talent ever assembled, that these guys are the
most skilled ever.
Speaker 3 (01:56):
My god, look at Magic, he couldn't even jump.
Speaker 1 (01:59):
Look at these There were plumbers, they were King Yoki,
they were all this guy.
Speaker 3 (02:03):
Well, I'm just saying, but they talk about during that time.
Speaker 1 (02:07):
And my point is he's rewriting record books, he's piling up.
There's only been fifteen players that won multiple championship I
mean MVPs. And for this guy to be on the
verge of Chris three out of four, no All Star teammate.
(02:27):
How in the world could we not look at this
guy and put him in the top ten and think
he's not one of the ten best players we've ever
seen play.
Speaker 3 (02:36):
And if you ask me who he would.
Speaker 1 (02:37):
Knock out Steph from your top ten, I would put
the joker in over Steph moving forward. If he accomplishes
everything I talk about. If he doesn't, Chris, all bets
are off. So I want to make it very clear
he's not there. He's gotta have headed Will, He's gotta
be a Yes. I would put him in. I would
(03:01):
put him in the top ten. I really would.
Speaker 5 (03:04):
All Right, I'm not gonna kill you as much as
you might think I would. He's to me, no, okay,
but he is a player, and even if he doesn't win,
he's still this. But certainly if he does, he is
a player who potentially Rob could crack the top ten.
(03:26):
But he's gotta win more than just two. I don't
think there's anybody, at least in my top ten. There's
nobody in there with just two titles. How in the
world we putting him in with.
Speaker 1 (03:37):
Just two back to back. I'm talking about what we
just saw last year. It's gotta be about.
Speaker 5 (03:43):
But Yanni's I mean, Yanni's had a historic performance too.
I know he didn't go back to back, but even
if he had to, Rob, I mean, Bill Russell's got
Elevin Will has two, but he's not in my top ten.
Speaker 4 (03:59):
Or you know, Kareem's got six rings. Moses is not
in there.
Speaker 5 (04:05):
Larry Bird's got three steps, got four Magic, five Shock
for Kobe five Lebron four.
Speaker 4 (04:15):
Like now, I will guarrant you.
Speaker 5 (04:19):
He if he wins the championship this year, he is
definitely a guy that might finish in the top ten.
Elijah Wan is not in my top ten. So if
he wins it this year, he's ahead of Elijah Wan.
Speaker 4 (04:33):
Yes, I think that's a battle.
Speaker 1 (04:35):
I think that's because because there's no there's no second
guy like that.
Speaker 3 (04:41):
That's the point and I'm not well.
Speaker 5 (04:42):
Jamal Murray is is gonna be a haul of if
they win it, But.
Speaker 1 (04:47):
He's not an All Star teammate. That's pretty in press.
That's that's a yeah.
Speaker 5 (04:51):
Jamal Murray, though, is an All Star caliber player.
Speaker 3 (04:55):
Would you would you age is not an All Star?
Speaker 4 (04:58):
It's on you.
Speaker 5 (04:59):
It's a it's a amazing because I even think maybe
now now he's actually tracking toward the Hall of Fame.
But if they win another one, he's gonna be a
Hall of Famer. Not in look no disrespect to like
a Michael Cooper, but Jamal Murray is a playoff assassin.
Speaker 4 (05:17):
They can't win it without Jamal Murray.
Speaker 5 (05:20):
He is a bad boy, But I give you they're
officially no All Star teammate Dirk didn't have one when
he won his one, and he beat the big.
Speaker 4 (05:29):
Three in Miami. So I think you're going way too fast.
Speaker 5 (05:35):
I'm not saying Jokic couldn't one day get there, but
to say he's there after just two rings, what if
he doesn't win another one after that?
Speaker 3 (05:44):
Yeah, but I mean he's top ten.
Speaker 6 (05:47):
I can't.
Speaker 5 (05:48):
I mean MVPs, of course are very important. But but
Shaq's got one, Kobe's got one. Does that mean Yoka
is better than them?
Speaker 6 (05:55):
No?
Speaker 1 (05:55):
But I'm just saying, in this day and age, without
having the most of these guys who have won, Lebron
and Steph they got three and four Hall of Famers, they.
Speaker 3 (06:05):
Got three and four.
Speaker 4 (06:06):
But if that is that, it's not just Lebron.
Speaker 1 (06:09):
No, I'm just always been the case had probably the
most cat and he's doing after to win three out.
Speaker 3 (06:16):
Of four MVPs back to back.
Speaker 1 (06:18):
And I'm talking about a performers like we saw where
he had a triple to average a triple double. If
he does something on par with that, I would look
at him, Chris and think he is in the top
ten and he's still got years to go.
Speaker 3 (06:30):
I got years to go.
Speaker 5 (06:32):
I'm firing with him tracking towards the top ten because
I do think if he wins it this year, Rob,
I don't think anybody, honestly, other than you, I don't
think anybody will put him in the top ten. But
I do think people would say, Okay, that's the next step,
just like we talked with about Lebron as far as okay,
(06:54):
the next thing for him to do is to become
the goat.
Speaker 4 (06:58):
That's like the only mountain left for him to climb.
Speaker 5 (07:00):
I think we would say for Jokic, this is the
mountain that he has to COI this is a guy
that could be in the top ten. Is he gonna
replace Bird, He's gonna replace Kobe, is gonna replace Steph whoever?
But this is a guy that let's see, if he
can win another one or maybe two more, he will join.
Speaker 4 (07:23):
The top ten. But definitely not after just two, No,
way after two.
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Our next guest, Hall of Fame boxing trainer, host of
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Great Teddy Atlas, Teddy Weddy.
Speaker 6 (08:29):
How you guys doing great?
Speaker 4 (08:32):
Great?
Speaker 6 (08:33):
Yeah? Yeah, I'm doing good. I'm with two good people.
How could I not be doing good?
Speaker 1 (08:37):
Man, good thing, even if one guy's from Queens. You
know what I'm saying, Teddy, you can't go, That's right,
no doubt.
Speaker 5 (08:47):
All right, there's a lot to talk to in the
squared circle. So let's start with Ryan Garcini. See you
he fights Devin Haney tomorrow super lightweight fight. You've ain't
at all Teddy in boxing. When you see a guy
behaving as Garcia is, he didn't make weight by three pounds. Uh,
(09:08):
he's just had some bizarre comments and behavior.
Speaker 1 (09:12):
Did you see the Mets wouldn't allow him to throw
out the first pitch because they they were uh they
were mixing it up or something.
Speaker 3 (09:19):
They thought they were gonna brawl at at City Field?
Did you see that as well, Teddy?
Speaker 6 (09:24):
Yeah, I saw that. Then he did another video, man.
Speaker 3 (09:29):
Yeah, yeah, he has you.
Speaker 5 (09:32):
When you see that type of behavior from a fighter,
especially going into a fight, what does it kind of.
Speaker 6 (09:38):
Tell you he shouldn't be in the ring. I'll tell
you right now. A lot of people ain't gonna like this,
but it doesn't matter because it's what I believe. I've
been in the business since the years. And the New
York State Athletic Commission better prayer to God that's something really,
(09:59):
really bad doesn't happen tomorrow night, because they will be
out of business if it does, and I will help
put them out of business. I will make sure that
they're out of business because then, no, but what do
we have a commission for? Really, tax payers pay money
to have a commission. What are we have it for too?
To make sure that the fighter's health is being protected,
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is being looked out for that. The fighters have simply
put of sound body in mind when he gets in
the ring. Now, it's dangerous enough. I'm the persone to
admit how dangerous my business is. It's dangers enough to
get into that square circle. What's less to get in
there when you're not right, When you're not right physically
and most importantly, when you're not right mentley, and all
(10:46):
the proof that you need is out there that he's
not right. I mean not for the last days, in
the last week, but for the last six seven weeks
leading up to this fight, he has been putting up
out there on the SOLI. I mean, one thing he
put out there was that a cult kidnapped him, took
them to the woods and force them the wise kids
(11:08):
get raped. I mean, when you start putting stuff like
that out there, really, you gotta you gotta have some
kind of evaluation. If you're a commission, you have to say,
wait a minute, we're going to evaluate you with all people,
which the proper psychiatric people, to see whether or not
this fight should be sex Now, I don't know if
(11:29):
they've had any day. There's been little claims that you
know that they approved approved them. How because his blood
pressure was okay, because he had a pulse, because because
he didn't have a fever. I mean that that is
not the evaluation that is needed right now for this
kid to be allowed to get into a ring with
(11:49):
a really good fighter.
Speaker 4 (11:51):
I agree.
Speaker 3 (11:52):
Yeah, it just seemed like it's a mess.
Speaker 1 (11:55):
Uh and uh, you're right, hopefully it's not a bad
scene here. Can you tell us about Devin Haney and
you know, if there's just a fight and there's no
chicanery and nonsense, tell us what kind of fight we
could expect?
Speaker 6 (12:12):
You know, before that that's a racist for a second,
even though it's really hard because I mean that first conference, yes,
they was perverse. It was actually perverse, you know, and
of course I'm not going to go into what he said,
but I mean it was stuff like that has never
been There's trash talking, there's that, that's an all sports,
that's the history of sports, but never anything that that
(12:35):
degrading and that low as what he was saying about
putting a body part into Haines mouth, I mean crazy,
I mean yeah, crazy, really crazy and disturbing. But let's
get away from it for a minute and say that
before this all came about and this fight was made.
(12:57):
What would I see, Yes, I would, I would see
in I would I would see in God see a
guy who's got more power than Hany a guy who's
probably got I haven't seen the numbers, but probably has
a longer reach, a longer wingspan, probably has a little
(13:18):
bit quicker hands. He's a better puncher. Haiti is the
more solid fighter, technically, very solid, very buttoned up, and
a guy who's fought the better fighters on the whole.
You know, he has shown that he can step to
the next level and he can win so far because
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he hasn't shown that. See, his highest step was a
high step. It was with Tank Davis, who's a hell
of a fighter. He's in my top five pound for
pound fighters in the world right now. And but he
stepped up and he got knocked out, not a disgrace,
but showing that when he did take that step up,
he came up short, very short. Now, HAINI hasn't been
(14:01):
in with Tanks Davis, but he's been in with other
world champions. He's been in there with better fighters than
God see you on a whole. He has been in
there with a better resume of fighters, and he has
shown that he can win at that level under those
lights and again because he has not shown that so far.
(14:22):
Although Haiti is a he's a shop shooter. He's a
guy that likes to at his best day, he wants
to control range. He's a responsible, defensive fighter. He's not
a guy that's prone to taking risk. You know, he's
not a guy who's going to light it up on
the pay per view numbers by himself, because you know,
he's not the guy who's going to be the sick
(14:42):
and destroyed missile who's going to put the bar on fire.
But he's going to be a guy who is going
to fight a smart fight, maybe a chess match. He's
going to be on the outside. He's gonna look for
you to make mistakes, look to counter if you lay
in front of him, He's going to get off very
intelligent combinations, very accurate combinations, does everything straight, straight lines.
(15:07):
The fight, probably before all of this craziness, was going
to start as a chess match where you got see
you on the outside with the long reach. The jab,
very important, his jab. His best weapon is his catileptalk.
Now just his left hook, his cattle leptok where him
make your where him make you make a mistake, make
(15:28):
you reach a little bit and hit you with a
blind shot with a real good fast short cattle leptalk.
He's very explosive with that punch, so I would have
seen him looking to set that up using his jab
to keep Hani from control space the way Haini likes
to control space. I would have seen Hani looking to
(15:48):
get angles. He uses his legs pretty well, looking to
get angles to set up his combinations on the outside
to try to also gold in get get does see it,
you know, to get a little kailers and come in
again a chess match, maybe not the most exciting fight
now to get about it all, beast off now. Now
(16:10):
if you ask me what do you see, Teddy, I
don't know what I see. I mean, I see chaos,
I see craziness, I see oh, but I see the
possibility of God and see it going coma cozi where
where he's not in shape, he's three pounce home right
Musseletne's not right. He's not we know he's not metally right,
(16:30):
but he's not physically right. So when you're not physically right,
a lot of times you go and take chances to
try to get it over with. So I can see that.
I can see him being uncharacteristically more aggressive, and I
can see Hani looking at him. Right.
Speaker 1 (16:45):
Hey, Teddy, I want to I want to switch gears here.
And I think the last time we had you and
we talked about the Mike Tyson.
Speaker 3 (16:52):
And Jake Paul.
Speaker 4 (16:53):
I don't know if we did.
Speaker 3 (16:53):
Oh, I don't know if we did, but talk about that, Okay.
Speaker 1 (16:56):
I want to talk about that because it's schedule for
July twentieth, and at first we thought there was going
to be a fight, and then they came back and said,
it's not an official fight.
Speaker 3 (17:04):
No, it's an exhibition, they said, But all.
Speaker 5 (17:07):
The Paul's fights have been like That's what I want
to know. Is it a real fighter? They're gonna be
trying to That's what I'm.
Speaker 3 (17:12):
Saying, Teddy.
Speaker 1 (17:12):
This sounds like it took the theme off of it
and he's not going to try to hurt Mike Tyson.
Speaker 3 (17:17):
They just want to rob people.
Speaker 6 (17:21):
Listen, guys, you don't you don't need me to confirm
to two very smart people talking to me on his phone.
Speaker 1 (17:34):
Yes, thank you, Teddy, thank you. It is this is
Roy Jones. This is this is ridiculous. And you know
what I said, Teddy, that Mike Tyson shouldn't let Jake
Paul make money off of his legacy.
Speaker 3 (17:48):
I find this to be terrible.
Speaker 6 (17:51):
I understand because you're looking at from a purest point
of view that this guy was a great fighter. That
this guy was. He might have been the last guy
to consolidate all the heavyweight belts. Actually I'm not sure that,
but it's been a long time. We got Uzik and
Dury and Saudi Arabia coming up May eighteen, where that's
going to consolidate and make it one beattest man on
(18:12):
the planet, one heavyweight champ, which is the way it
should be in boxing. But maybe the last guy that
really did it that I can think of might have
been Tyson. But whatever it was, I mean, this is
a kid who was, you know, nineteen twenty years old
on the cover of supports those very kid dynamite. Yeah,
you know, I mean, this is a guy that just
(18:33):
catch it imagination of people. You know how it wasn't
a matter of whether or not he was going to win.
It was how destructive.
Speaker 3 (18:42):
Road how quickly would it be? Over right?
Speaker 4 (18:45):
Yeah?
Speaker 6 (18:45):
Yeah, you better go get your popcorn and all that stuff.
You better get your drinks, you know, you better get
your seat, You better sit down, you know. And when
you're sitting down, you better be looking at the ring.
That's right, all right, And you know all of that.
He brought all the all of that, and he's the
youngest heavyweight champion ever, you know, all of that. Maybe
the greatest combination of speed and power and had power
(19:09):
on both sides. You know. He was like Biggie Mano.
He could hit from either side of the plate, you know.
I mean we had guys like Ernie Shavers could knock
the walls down, you know, and then a lot of
great punches. But for him, he could punch with either hand,
with speed, with quickness. I mean, Joe Lewis was for
(19:29):
me my favorite. He could punch with either hand. But
in this era, to see that combination at that size,
I mean, he was just explosive and and he you know,
the leg Ali before him and other ones. I will
I won't put it with Ali because nobody's with Ali,
but you know, he revigorated the sport, you know, because again,
(19:53):
you you knew, you knew you were going to get
a knockout for the most part, you knew you were
going to get excitement, So now I understand how you're feeling.
One thing I say about Paul, he he did. He
didn't lie to no one. He went out there. He
had a vision. He said, Okay, I'm going to learn
the most I get about the sport. He did. He
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got a trainer, he worked for a few years. He worked,
He picked his spots. Those were real fights. But there
were real fights where he picked his spots. But look,
we have fighters that picked their spot. Canela picks the spots.
You know, I know he's a real fighter. I get
it at Mayweather. He's a real fighter, great fighter, and
I love Mayweather greatest thing. One of the greatest defensive
fighters of our time. And and he mixed it with
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offense much more than some of the guys do today
than a good defensive fighters. And he was a great promoter.
But he went one thing. He did the same thing,
but obviously he did it in a more calculated way.
He didn't have to, you know, have the amount of
fights that these other fighters have had. He picked his spots.
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With the UFS. He fighters the one great strikers. They
were older, they were passing, but still there was. There
was still an amount of danger when he got in
there because it was still real. It was still Here's
the thing about this one, and I gave me spec
for that because he again, he had the American wave,
the American dream, He had a vision. He went out there.
You know, he had his followers, his twenty million followers
(21:19):
from from you know, YouTube, whatever, and he goes out
there and he takes you to a divient arena. And
he goes out there and he makes money and he
makes you work for him. And now, for the first
time with that scenario, I wonder if it's a WWE
(21:39):
deal I to I have to say that because because
I give him his credit that I wanted to make
sure I give him the credit I did. Tyson, of
course one of the great fighters. We already know that.
But now this one, it just feels like it was preordained.
Speaker 5 (21:57):
We only got about thirty seconds. If it's a real fight,
how do you see it going.
Speaker 6 (22:03):
If it's okay, now, I'm gonna blow you away with
the last thirty seconds. If it's a real fight, Tyson
knocks around one.
Speaker 3 (22:09):
Round, Okay, okay, the power doesn't go.
Speaker 4 (22:13):
The power didn't go.
Speaker 6 (22:14):
The possibility. Look, I'm giving credit to Paul. He has
learned the sport the best that he can in this
short amount of time, and he's respected to sport and
he went out there and he's done what he had
to do. But Tyson's been fighting since twelve years old.
Speaker 3 (22:30):
I know I'm right, thank you twelve.
Speaker 6 (22:34):
Years old, and you've got a guy who's talking.
Speaker 5 (22:37):
We gotta run, Teddy, we we yes. My producers are
all in my ears. Great stuff as always, Teddy, all right, take.
Speaker 3 (22:45):
Tanks, appreciate it. Thank you.
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Speaker 5 (23:00):
We know, Uh, it's been a disappointment in Milwaukee, and
we've said it and Dame wanted out. Now he didn't
want to go to Milwaukee, but he wanted out, wanted
to go to a contender. We had a chance to
win the championship. No better place to go than Milwaukee
with Jannis Andatakumbo. But Rob it has been a disaster
(23:21):
and now Janis is hurt and expected to miss Game
one this weekend against Indiana and the Bucks are in
serious danger of going out in the first round.
Speaker 4 (23:33):
What is this? Does this say anything to you about Damian?
Speaker 1 (23:37):
I think he's been exposed Like this was supposed to
be Chris. People were so excited when that trade went down.
People were like, this is a perfect match made in heaven?
Speaker 3 (23:49):
Are you kidding?
Speaker 4 (23:51):
Like this is when Dame.
Speaker 1 (23:52):
And and Yannis. Everybody thought it was Chris, Oh my god.
They he got what he wanted. He got to go
play with a hyper player who's going to enhance his
game and they go together like peanut butter and jelly.
Really and Milwaukee was gonna be the bread. It was
all set and Chris, you just said it disastrous.
Speaker 3 (24:15):
It hasn't been.
Speaker 1 (24:16):
You can't look at anything other than the what the
five or six game winning streak they had in the
middle of docs since he took over.
Speaker 3 (24:27):
But look at the bad losses. You can't. Those guys
are healthy. Both of those guys are playing.
Speaker 1 (24:33):
There's no reason they should be as bad as they
have been with people not looking forward to them in
the postseason and looking like and obviously Gianni's being out now,
but even going into that, before that, Chris, no one
was feeling like something special was gonna happen in this postseason.
This was Boston's all the way, and they were an
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afterthought and they weren't supposed to be They were supposed
to be UH on the big stage. They were supposed
to be UH on the on the marquee that this
duo was supposed to make noise and could upset the
Celtics and and then change the Eastern Conference and and
be like, look at what we put together and look
(25:18):
who we are, and none of it's happened.
Speaker 4 (25:21):
You know what's interesting, Rob, A lot of.
Speaker 5 (25:24):
The super teams or and this wouldn't be a superteam.
They only have two superstars, but a lot of the
player maneuvering the own. It's I mean, I'm thinking and
and you guys can correct me if I'm wrong.
Speaker 4 (25:41):
It's worked for Lebron with the Miami Group Cleveland.
Speaker 5 (25:47):
You know, he did get Kevin loved there, so that worked.
They got one ring and in La he got a
d there that.
Speaker 4 (25:56):
Worked for one ring.
Speaker 5 (25:58):
Kevin Durant obviously worked. I know nothing against Durant. I
think any really great, good player would have worked.
Speaker 4 (26:07):
That team was that good. And other than that, Rob.
Speaker 5 (26:11):
Kawhi and Paul George failure, Kevin Durant to Brooklyn with
all those guys, Harden and Kyrie failure, Kevin Durant to Phoenix,
thus far failure, dame to Milwaukee to play with Giannis,
thus far failure. There been somebody Carmelo forcing his way
(26:33):
to New York. Oh, and then here comes Amar failure.
Most of these situations that I know I'm probably missing
a couple, rob have not worked out.
Speaker 4 (26:44):
And you look at Denver rob that team.
Speaker 5 (26:50):
When you look at that Robs and you mentioned it
earlier when we were talking about Jokic, No, he doesn't
have an All Star team. And now we all understand
Jamal Murray's that caliber player, but.
Speaker 4 (27:00):
The fact is he hasn't made an All Star team.
Speaker 5 (27:03):
You look at that roster individually, they're not scaring you.
Aaron Gordon was viewed as a slight disappointment in Orlando,
right because he was a lottery pick. KCP, you know
he's not scaring anybody.
Speaker 4 (27:21):
He's a role player. Can take his call.
Speaker 5 (27:24):
Well, Pope, Jamal Murray obviously very good, but yet still.
Speaker 4 (27:30):
Hasn't made an All Star team.
Speaker 5 (27:32):
And then you've got Michael Porter Junior, who is talented
but you know, he had the back issues. My point,
Rob is this, that's a team. That's a team, and
they play team basketball, and we expect him to win
the West. And it's not always about let me just
(27:54):
get this great all these great individual players together. Guys
have to fit together right, and they have to understand
their role, be comfortable in their role, and be a
star in their role. There's a lot of players say
and so yeah, Dame Rob, like we said it, he was.
He had the great situation up there in Portland because
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he wasn't under the microscope.
Speaker 4 (28:18):
He could get his points.
Speaker 5 (28:20):
They could win enough, right, Nobody expected anything of them
except get to the playoffs. They get there, they get
bounced fairly quickly. One time he got to the conference finals.
Two other times he got to the second round, and
and everybody blamed it on everybody else. Oh Dame doesn't
have any help, and now people are looking at him.
Speaker 6 (28:43):
Now.
Speaker 4 (28:43):
He will get another year. But Rob, if next year it's.
Speaker 5 (28:47):
Similar to this year, you know, assuming they go out
in the first or second round this year, it's it's
gonna it's not gonna people are going to really re
evaluate ate Damian Lillard. We're gonna be a Hall of Famer.
Speaker 1 (29:02):
I agree, though there will be evaluation because and you
could make it the first year and changing of coaching
and all that, and Gianna's got heard, and you could
do all that another year.
Speaker 3 (29:14):
Christ then you got an issue.
Speaker 4 (29:16):
Yeah, and I actually think he will. He will or.
Speaker 5 (29:22):
Is getting somewhat of a pass this year because of
the coaching change.
Speaker 6 (29:28):
Doc.
Speaker 4 (29:28):
Now Rob is gonna get a lot of the criticism, right,
and Gianni's is hurt. And like we said, already standards
have been lowered.
Speaker 5 (29:37):
But you know, Dame, there was talk he kind is
on Steph's level.
Speaker 6 (29:42):
Right.
Speaker 5 (29:43):
The difference is he's not, you know with that super
team in Golden State. Well now it's looking like, no,
he's not on that level. He's great, but he's not
on that that level, the top seventy five. It was
already was controversial, Rob, I mean Kyrie Klay Thompson.
Speaker 3 (29:59):
Right, it's even more now. I mean, I'm telling you right,
because we questioned it at the time. Yeah, I did.
Speaker 4 (30:08):
Yeah, we talked about Kyrie and I get it. It's
an argument.
Speaker 5 (30:12):
But if Dame doesn't make good and in Milwaukee this
year or next year, and Rob, if he doesn't do it,
with this year or next year. At that point he'll
be like thirty five, thirty six years old, So you
would think it's not gonna do it. And then there's
even talk to Yannis. You know, if they get bounced down. Granted,
(30:34):
Giannis is hurt, I don't know, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (30:36):
How you get I'm serious, like what he would be
asking out for what reason?
Speaker 3 (30:41):
Like serious? Yeah, you got hurt, You got hurt.
Speaker 1 (30:45):
And ain't no way that Bucks brought in Doc Rivers
without you agreeing to that. Now anybody can sit here
and tell you that he had no input on that.
Speaker 3 (30:52):
I don't buy it, right, I don't.
Speaker 4 (30:55):
No, it's we said this Ryd in fairness.
Speaker 5 (31:00):
We said this when Dame went to Milwaukee, and I
did like the trade, but I said, look, if they
don't get it done, then you know, Dame is going
to have to face the heat. If you win, it's
gonna be awesome, it's gonna boost you already terrific legacy.
But if you don't even get to the finals. A
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team rob that won the finals, they won it already, right,
it was a few years ago, but they did win it.
That just makes it even worse. And so yeah, and
I'll say this before we open it up to the listeners.
Rob and I get it. I think it's real and
it's unfortunate if Dame is unhappy in Milwaukee, right, He's
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talked about that he's going through a divorce.
Speaker 4 (31:47):
He's not lonely. I get that.
Speaker 3 (31:51):
With your kids, Chris and your wife and things are
going to get that.
Speaker 5 (31:56):
But but you know what, that's not an excuse because
there are players all over the league and all over
the leagues going through divorces, going through baby mama drama,
going through just types yeah, yeah, whatever. It might be
issues with your children, and you have to play through it,
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and they do.
Speaker 4 (32:21):
And and even your average person, Rob, you have you
still got to show up to work.
Speaker 5 (32:24):
You and I if we were going through some crazy stuff,
we still have to show up through to work and
be vibrant and be funny, right and be like everything's good.
Speaker 4 (32:34):
That's that's being a professional.
Speaker 5 (32:36):
So while I feel for Dame in that, you know,
issues in his personal life, I don't want to hear
it are as any type of excuse. And I and fairness,
he's not making an excuse, but some might make that
excuse for him.
Speaker 4 (32:51):
And I don't think that's fair,
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Speaker 3 (00:31):
Without question, the Joker.
Speaker 1 (00:36):
Is playing for a spot in the top ten in
the NBA Top ten Players ever.
Speaker 3 (00:47):
Yes, what what?
Speaker 4 (00:49):
What?
Speaker 1 (00:50):
Top ten? And I'm going just hear me out with this. Yeah,
I'm gonna hear you out out. You know you got
a name the other nine. No, Okay, I don't like
to do te people in everybody's time. I got it,
I got it. But I'm talking about what I'm looking at.
What he was able to accomplish last year, average in
the triple double, how he annihilated the record books in
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the postseason. Now, obviously, Chris, a lot has to happen
before I'm jumping this, so just follow the championship. Win
the MVP and the championship. Okay, win the MVP and
the championship same as last year. If he does that
Chris back to back and he's won three of the
last four MVPs.
Speaker 3 (01:31):
And again.
Speaker 1 (01:34):
Puts in the season, the postseason to a postseason to remember,
it's gonna be hard to not look at this guy
and think with supposedly all this talent, all people talk
about all the modern players, say that, uh, this is
the best talent ever assembled, that these guys are the
most skilled ever.
Speaker 3 (01:56):
My god, look at Magic, he couldn't even jump.
Speaker 1 (01:59):
Look at these There were plumbers, they were King Yoki,
they were all this guy.
Speaker 3 (02:03):
Well, I'm just saying, but they talk about during that time.
Speaker 1 (02:07):
And my point is he's rewriting record books, he's piling up.
There's only been fifteen players that won multiple championship I
mean MVPs. And for this guy to be on the
verge of Chris three out of four, no All Star teammate.
(02:27):
How in the world could we not look at this
guy and put him in the top ten and think
he's not one of the ten best players we've ever
seen play.
Speaker 3 (02:36):
And if you ask me who he would.
Speaker 1 (02:37):
Knock out Steph from your top ten, I would put
the joker in over Steph moving forward. If he accomplishes
everything I talk about. If he doesn't, Chris, all bets
are off. So I want to make it very clear
he's not there. He's gotta have headed Will, He's gotta
be a Yes. I would put him in. I would
(03:01):
put him in the top ten. I really would.
Speaker 5 (03:04):
All Right, I'm not gonna kill you as much as
you might think I would. He's to me, no, okay,
but he is a player, and even if he doesn't win,
he's still this. But certainly if he does, he is
a player who potentially Rob could crack the top ten.
(03:26):
But he's gotta win more than just two. I don't
think there's anybody, at least in my top ten. There's
nobody in there with just two titles. How in the
world we putting him in with.
Speaker 1 (03:37):
Just two back to back. I'm talking about what we
just saw last year. It's gotta be about.
Speaker 5 (03:43):
But Yanni's I mean, Yanni's had a historic performance too.
I know he didn't go back to back, but even
if he had to, Rob, I mean, Bill Russell's got
Elevin Will has two, but he's not in my top ten.
Speaker 4 (03:59):
Or you know, Kareem's got six rings. Moses is not
in there.
Speaker 5 (04:05):
Larry Bird's got three steps, got four Magic, five Shock
for Kobe five Lebron four.
Speaker 4 (04:15):
Like now, I will guarrant you.
Speaker 5 (04:19):
He if he wins the championship this year, he is
definitely a guy that might finish in the top ten.
Elijah Wan is not in my top ten. So if
he wins it this year, he's ahead of Elijah Wan.
Speaker 4 (04:33):
Yes, I think that's a battle.
Speaker 1 (04:35):
I think that's because because there's no there's no second
guy like that.
Speaker 3 (04:41):
That's the point and I'm not well.
Speaker 5 (04:42):
Jamal Murray is is gonna be a haul of if
they win it, But.
Speaker 1 (04:47):
He's not an All Star teammate. That's pretty in press.
That's that's a yeah.
Speaker 5 (04:51):
Jamal Murray, though, is an All Star caliber player.
Speaker 3 (04:55):
Would you would you age is not an All Star?
Speaker 4 (04:58):
It's on you.
Speaker 5 (04:59):
It's a it's a amazing because I even think maybe
now now he's actually tracking toward the Hall of Fame.
But if they win another one, he's gonna be a
Hall of Famer. Not in look no disrespect to like
a Michael Cooper, but Jamal Murray is a playoff assassin.
Speaker 4 (05:17):
They can't win it without Jamal Murray.
Speaker 5 (05:20):
He is a bad boy, But I give you they're
officially no All Star teammate Dirk didn't have one when
he won his one, and he beat the big.
Speaker 4 (05:29):
Three in Miami. So I think you're going way too fast.
Speaker 5 (05:35):
I'm not saying Jokic couldn't one day get there, but
to say he's there after just two rings, what if
he doesn't win another one after that?
Speaker 3 (05:44):
Yeah, but I mean he's top ten.
Speaker 6 (05:47):
I can't.
Speaker 5 (05:48):
I mean MVPs, of course are very important. But but
Shaq's got one, Kobe's got one. Does that mean Yoka
is better than them?
Speaker 6 (05:55):
No?
Speaker 1 (05:55):
But I'm just saying, in this day and age, without
having the most of these guys who have won, Lebron
and Steph they got three and four Hall of Famers, they.
Speaker 3 (06:05):
Got three and four.
Speaker 4 (06:06):
But if that is that, it's not just Lebron.
Speaker 1 (06:09):
No, I'm just always been the case had probably the
most cat and he's doing after to win three out.
Speaker 3 (06:16):
Of four MVPs back to back.
Speaker 1 (06:18):
And I'm talking about a performers like we saw where
he had a triple to average a triple double. If
he does something on par with that, I would look
at him, Chris and think he is in the top
ten and he's still got years to go.
Speaker 3 (06:30):
I got years to go.
Speaker 5 (06:32):
I'm firing with him tracking towards the top ten because
I do think if he wins it this year, Rob,
I don't think anybody, honestly, other than you, I don't
think anybody will put him in the top ten. But
I do think people would say, Okay, that's the next step,
just like we talked with about Lebron as far as okay,
(06:54):
the next thing for him to do is to become
the goat.
Speaker 4 (06:58):
That's like the only mountain left for him to climb.
Speaker 5 (07:00):
I think we would say for Jokic, this is the
mountain that he has to COI this is a guy
that could be in the top ten. Is he gonna
replace Bird, He's gonna replace Kobe, is gonna replace Steph whoever?
But this is a guy that let's see, if he
can win another one or maybe two more, he will join.
Speaker 4 (07:23):
The top ten. But definitely not after just two, No,
way after two.
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Our next guest, Hall of Fame boxing trainer, host of
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Great Teddy Atlas, Teddy Weddy.
Speaker 6 (08:29):
How you guys doing great?
Speaker 4 (08:32):
Great?
Speaker 6 (08:33):
Yeah? Yeah, I'm doing good. I'm with two good people.
How could I not be doing good?
Speaker 1 (08:37):
Man, good thing, even if one guy's from Queens. You
know what I'm saying, Teddy, you can't go, That's right,
no doubt.
Speaker 5 (08:47):
All right, there's a lot to talk to in the
squared circle. So let's start with Ryan Garcini. See you
he fights Devin Haney tomorrow super lightweight fight. You've ain't
at all Teddy in boxing. When you see a guy
behaving as Garcia is, he didn't make weight by three pounds. Uh,
(09:08):
he's just had some bizarre comments and behavior.
Speaker 1 (09:12):
Did you see the Mets wouldn't allow him to throw
out the first pitch because they they were uh they
were mixing it up or something.
Speaker 3 (09:19):
They thought they were gonna brawl at at City Field?
Did you see that as well, Teddy?
Speaker 6 (09:24):
Yeah, I saw that. Then he did another video, man.
Speaker 3 (09:29):
Yeah, yeah, he has you.
Speaker 5 (09:32):
When you see that type of behavior from a fighter,
especially going into a fight, what does it kind of.
Speaker 6 (09:38):
Tell you he shouldn't be in the ring. I'll tell
you right now. A lot of people ain't gonna like this,
but it doesn't matter because it's what I believe. I've
been in the business since the years. And the New
York State Athletic Commission better prayer to God that's something really,
(09:59):
really bad doesn't happen tomorrow night, because they will be
out of business if it does, and I will help
put them out of business. I will make sure that
they're out of business because then, no, but what do
we have a commission for? Really, tax payers pay money
to have a commission. What are we have it for too?
To make sure that the fighter's health is being protected,
(10:23):
is being looked out for that. The fighters have simply
put of sound body in mind when he gets in
the ring. Now, it's dangerous enough. I'm the persone to
admit how dangerous my business is. It's dangers enough to
get into that square circle. What's less to get in
there when you're not right, When you're not right physically
and most importantly, when you're not right mentley, and all
(10:46):
the proof that you need is out there that he's
not right. I mean not for the last days, in
the last week, but for the last six seven weeks
leading up to this fight, he has been putting up
out there on the SOLI. I mean, one thing he
put out there was that a cult kidnapped him, took
them to the woods and force them the wise kids
(11:08):
get raped. I mean, when you start putting stuff like
that out there, really, you gotta you gotta have some
kind of evaluation. If you're a commission, you have to say,
wait a minute, we're going to evaluate you with all people,
which the proper psychiatric people, to see whether or not
this fight should be sex Now, I don't know if
(11:29):
they've had any day. There's been little claims that you
know that they approved approved them. How because his blood
pressure was okay, because he had a pulse, because because
he didn't have a fever. I mean that that is
not the evaluation that is needed right now for this
kid to be allowed to get into a ring with
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a really good fighter.
Speaker 4 (11:51):
I agree.
Speaker 3 (11:52):
Yeah, it just seemed like it's a mess.
Speaker 1 (11:55):
Uh and uh, you're right, hopefully it's not a bad
scene here. Can you tell us about Devin Haney and
you know, if there's just a fight and there's no
chicanery and nonsense, tell us what kind of fight we
could expect?
Speaker 6 (12:12):
You know, before that that's a racist for a second,
even though it's really hard because I mean that first conference, yes,
they was perverse. It was actually perverse, you know, and
of course I'm not going to go into what he said,
but I mean it was stuff like that has never
been There's trash talking, there's that, that's an all sports,
that's the history of sports, but never anything that that
(12:35):
degrading and that low as what he was saying about
putting a body part into Haines mouth, I mean crazy,
I mean yeah, crazy, really crazy and disturbing. But let's
get away from it for a minute and say that
before this all came about and this fight was made.
(12:57):
What would I see, Yes, I would, I would see
in I would I would see in God see a
guy who's got more power than Hany a guy who's
probably got I haven't seen the numbers, but probably has
a longer reach, a longer wingspan, probably has a little
(13:18):
bit quicker hands. He's a better puncher. Haiti is the
more solid fighter, technically, very solid, very buttoned up, and
a guy who's fought the better fighters on the whole.
You know, he has shown that he can step to
the next level and he can win so far because
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he hasn't shown that. See, his highest step was a
high step. It was with Tank Davis, who's a hell
of a fighter. He's in my top five pound for
pound fighters in the world right now. And but he
stepped up and he got knocked out, not a disgrace,
but showing that when he did take that step up,
he came up short, very short. Now, HAINI hasn't been
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in with Tanks Davis, but he's been in with other
world champions. He's been in there with better fighters than
God see you on a whole. He has been in
there with a better resume of fighters, and he has
shown that he can win at that level under those
lights and again because he has not shown that so far.
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Although Haiti is a he's a shop shooter. He's a
guy that likes to at his best day, he wants
to control range. He's a responsible, defensive fighter. He's not
a guy that's prone to taking risk. You know, he's
not a guy who's going to light it up on
the pay per view numbers by himself, because you know,
he's not the guy who's going to be the sick
(14:42):
and destroyed missile who's going to put the bar on fire.
But he's going to be a guy who is going
to fight a smart fight, maybe a chess match. He's
going to be on the outside. He's gonna look for
you to make mistakes, look to counter if you lay
in front of him, He's going to get off very
intelligent combinations, very accurate combinations, does everything straight, straight lines.
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The fight, probably before all of this craziness, was going
to start as a chess match where you got see
you on the outside with the long reach. The jab,
very important, his jab. His best weapon is his catileptalk.
Now just his left hook, his cattle leptok where him
make your where him make you make a mistake, make
(15:28):
you reach a little bit and hit you with a
blind shot with a real good fast short cattle leptalk.
He's very explosive with that punch, so I would have
seen him looking to set that up using his jab
to keep Hani from control space the way Haini likes
to control space. I would have seen Hani looking to
(15:48):
get angles. He uses his legs pretty well, looking to
get angles to set up his combinations on the outside
to try to also gold in get get does see it,
you know, to get a little kailers and come in
again a chess match, maybe not the most exciting fight
now to get about it all, beast off now. Now
(16:10):
if you ask me what do you see, Teddy, I
don't know what I see. I mean, I see chaos,
I see craziness, I see oh, but I see the
possibility of God and see it going coma cozi where
where he's not in shape, he's three pounce home right
Musseletne's not right. He's not we know he's not metally right,
(16:30):
but he's not physically right. So when you're not physically right,
a lot of times you go and take chances to
try to get it over with. So I can see that.
I can see him being uncharacteristically more aggressive, and I
can see Hani looking at him. Right.
Speaker 1 (16:45):
Hey, Teddy, I want to I want to switch gears here.
And I think the last time we had you and
we talked about the Mike Tyson.
Speaker 3 (16:52):
And Jake Paul.
Speaker 4 (16:53):
I don't know if we did.
Speaker 3 (16:53):
Oh, I don't know if we did, but talk about that, Okay.
Speaker 1 (16:56):
I want to talk about that because it's schedule for
July twentieth, and at first we thought there was going
to be a fight, and then they came back and said,
it's not an official fight.
Speaker 3 (17:04):
No, it's an exhibition, they said, But all.
Speaker 5 (17:07):
The Paul's fights have been like That's what I want
to know. Is it a real fighter? They're gonna be
trying to That's what I'm.
Speaker 3 (17:12):
Saying, Teddy.
Speaker 1 (17:12):
This sounds like it took the theme off of it
and he's not going to try to hurt Mike Tyson.
Speaker 3 (17:17):
They just want to rob people.
Speaker 6 (17:21):
Listen, guys, you don't you don't need me to confirm
to two very smart people talking to me on his phone.
Speaker 1 (17:34):
Yes, thank you, Teddy, thank you. It is this is
Roy Jones. This is this is ridiculous. And you know
what I said, Teddy, that Mike Tyson shouldn't let Jake
Paul make money off of his legacy.
Speaker 3 (17:48):
I find this to be terrible.
Speaker 6 (17:51):
I understand because you're looking at from a purest point
of view that this guy was a great fighter. That
this guy was. He might have been the last guy
to consolidate all the heavyweight belts. Actually I'm not sure that,
but it's been a long time. We got Uzik and
Dury and Saudi Arabia coming up May eighteen, where that's
going to consolidate and make it one beattest man on
(18:12):
the planet, one heavyweight champ, which is the way it
should be in boxing. But maybe the last guy that
really did it that I can think of might have
been Tyson. But whatever it was, I mean, this is
a kid who was, you know, nineteen twenty years old
on the cover of supports those very kid dynamite. Yeah,
you know, I mean, this is a guy that just
(18:33):
catch it imagination of people. You know how it wasn't
a matter of whether or not he was going to win.
It was how destructive.
Speaker 3 (18:42):
Road how quickly would it be? Over right?
Speaker 4 (18:45):
Yeah?
Speaker 6 (18:45):
Yeah, you better go get your popcorn and all that stuff.
You better get your drinks, you know, you better get
your seat, You better sit down, you know. And when
you're sitting down, you better be looking at the ring.
That's right, all right, And you know all of that.
He brought all the all of that, and he's the
youngest heavyweight champion ever, you know, all of that. Maybe
the greatest combination of speed and power and had power
(19:09):
on both sides. You know. He was like Biggie Mano.
He could hit from either side of the plate, you know.
I mean we had guys like Ernie Shavers could knock
the walls down, you know, and then a lot of
great punches. But for him, he could punch with either hand,
with speed, with quickness. I mean, Joe Lewis was for
(19:29):
me my favorite. He could punch with either hand. But
in this era, to see that combination at that size,
I mean, he was just explosive and and he you know,
the leg Ali before him and other ones. I will
I won't put it with Ali because nobody's with Ali,
but you know, he revigorated the sport, you know, because again,
(19:53):
you you knew, you knew you were going to get
a knockout for the most part, you knew you were
going to get excitement, So now I understand how you're feeling.
One thing I say about Paul, he he did. He
didn't lie to no one. He went out there. He
had a vision. He said, Okay, I'm going to learn
the most I get about the sport. He did. He
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got a trainer, he worked for a few years. He worked,
He picked his spots. Those were real fights. But there
were real fights where he picked his spots. But look,
we have fighters that picked their spot. Canela picks the spots.
You know, I know he's a real fighter. I get
it at Mayweather. He's a real fighter, great fighter, and
I love Mayweather greatest thing. One of the greatest defensive
fighters of our time. And and he mixed it with
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offense much more than some of the guys do today
than a good defensive fighters. And he was a great promoter.
But he went one thing. He did the same thing,
but obviously he did it in a more calculated way.
He didn't have to, you know, have the amount of
fights that these other fighters have had. He picked his spots.
(20:56):
With the UFS. He fighters the one great strikers. They
were older, they were passing, but still there was. There
was still an amount of danger when he got in
there because it was still real. It was still Here's
the thing about this one, and I gave me spec
for that because he again, he had the American wave,
the American dream, He had a vision. He went out there.
You know, he had his followers, his twenty million followers
(21:19):
from from you know, YouTube, whatever, and he goes out
there and he takes you to a divient arena. And
he goes out there and he makes money and he
makes you work for him. And now, for the first
time with that scenario, I wonder if it's a WWE
(21:39):
deal I to I have to say that because because
I give him his credit that I wanted to make
sure I give him the credit I did. Tyson, of
course one of the great fighters. We already know that.
But now this one, it just feels like it was preordained.
Speaker 5 (21:57):
We only got about thirty seconds. If it's a real fight,
how do you see it going.
Speaker 6 (22:03):
If it's okay, now, I'm gonna blow you away with
the last thirty seconds. If it's a real fight, Tyson
knocks around one.
Speaker 3 (22:09):
Round, Okay, okay, the power doesn't go.
Speaker 4 (22:13):
The power didn't go.
Speaker 6 (22:14):
The possibility. Look, I'm giving credit to Paul. He has
learned the sport the best that he can in this
short amount of time, and he's respected to sport and
he went out there and he's done what he had
to do. But Tyson's been fighting since twelve years old.
Speaker 3 (22:30):
I know I'm right, thank you twelve.
Speaker 6 (22:34):
Years old, and you've got a guy who's talking.
Speaker 5 (22:37):
We gotta run, Teddy, we we yes. My producers are
all in my ears. Great stuff as always, Teddy, all right, take.
Speaker 3 (22:45):
Tanks, appreciate it. Thank you.
Speaker 2 (22:48):
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Speaker 5 (23:00):
We know, Uh, it's been a disappointment in Milwaukee, and
we've said it and Dame wanted out. Now he didn't
want to go to Milwaukee, but he wanted out, wanted
to go to a contender. We had a chance to
win the championship. No better place to go than Milwaukee
with Jannis Andatakumbo. But Rob it has been a disaster
(23:21):
and now Janis is hurt and expected to miss Game
one this weekend against Indiana and the Bucks are in
serious danger of going out in the first round.
Speaker 4 (23:33):
What is this? Does this say anything to you about Damian?
Speaker 1 (23:37):
I think he's been exposed Like this was supposed to
be Chris. People were so excited when that trade went down.
People were like, this is a perfect match made in heaven?
Speaker 3 (23:49):
Are you kidding?
Speaker 4 (23:51):
Like this is when Dame.
Speaker 1 (23:52):
And and Yannis. Everybody thought it was Chris, Oh my god.
They he got what he wanted. He got to go
play with a hyper player who's going to enhance his
game and they go together like peanut butter and jelly.
Really and Milwaukee was gonna be the bread. It was
all set and Chris, you just said it disastrous.
Speaker 3 (24:15):
It hasn't been.
Speaker 1 (24:16):
You can't look at anything other than the what the
five or six game winning streak they had in the
middle of docs since he took over.
Speaker 3 (24:27):
But look at the bad losses. You can't. Those guys
are healthy. Both of those guys are playing.
Speaker 1 (24:33):
There's no reason they should be as bad as they
have been with people not looking forward to them in
the postseason and looking like and obviously Gianni's being out now,
but even going into that, before that, Chris, no one
was feeling like something special was gonna happen in this postseason.
This was Boston's all the way, and they were an
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afterthought and they weren't supposed to be They were supposed
to be UH on the big stage. They were supposed
to be UH on the on the marquee that this
duo was supposed to make noise and could upset the
Celtics and and then change the Eastern Conference and and
be like, look at what we put together and look
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who we are, and none of it's happened.
Speaker 4 (25:21):
You know what's interesting, Rob, A lot of.
Speaker 5 (25:24):
The super teams or and this wouldn't be a superteam.
They only have two superstars, but a lot of the
player maneuvering the own. It's I mean, I'm thinking and
and you guys can correct me if I'm wrong.
Speaker 4 (25:41):
It's worked for Lebron with the Miami Group Cleveland.
Speaker 5 (25:47):
You know, he did get Kevin loved there, so that worked.
They got one ring and in La he got a
d there that.
Speaker 4 (25:56):
Worked for one ring.
Speaker 5 (25:58):
Kevin Durant obviously worked. I know nothing against Durant. I
think any really great, good player would have worked.
Speaker 4 (26:07):
That team was that good. And other than that, Rob.
Speaker 5 (26:11):
Kawhi and Paul George failure, Kevin Durant to Brooklyn with
all those guys, Harden and Kyrie failure, Kevin Durant to Phoenix,
thus far failure, dame to Milwaukee to play with Giannis,
thus far failure. There been somebody Carmelo forcing his way
(26:33):
to New York. Oh, and then here comes Amar failure.
Most of these situations that I know I'm probably missing
a couple, rob have not worked out.
Speaker 4 (26:44):
And you look at Denver rob that team.
Speaker 5 (26:50):
When you look at that Robs and you mentioned it
earlier when we were talking about Jokic, No, he doesn't
have an All Star team. And now we all understand
Jamal Murray's that caliber player, but.
Speaker 4 (27:00):
The fact is he hasn't made an All Star team.
Speaker 5 (27:03):
You look at that roster individually, they're not scaring you.
Aaron Gordon was viewed as a slight disappointment in Orlando,
right because he was a lottery pick. KCP, you know
he's not scaring anybody.
Speaker 4 (27:21):
He's a role player. Can take his call.
Speaker 5 (27:24):
Well, Pope, Jamal Murray obviously very good, but yet still.
Speaker 4 (27:30):
Hasn't made an All Star team.
Speaker 5 (27:32):
And then you've got Michael Porter Junior, who is talented
but you know, he had the back issues. My point,
Rob is this, that's a team. That's a team, and
they play team basketball, and we expect him to win
the West. And it's not always about let me just
(27:54):
get this great all these great individual players together. Guys
have to fit together right, and they have to understand
their role, be comfortable in their role, and be a
star in their role. There's a lot of players say
and so yeah, Dame Rob, like we said it, he was.
He had the great situation up there in Portland because
(28:15):
he wasn't under the microscope.
Speaker 4 (28:18):
He could get his points.
Speaker 5 (28:20):
They could win enough, right, Nobody expected anything of them
except get to the playoffs. They get there, they get
bounced fairly quickly. One time he got to the conference finals.
Two other times he got to the second round, and
and everybody blamed it on everybody else. Oh Dame doesn't
have any help, and now people are looking at him.
Speaker 6 (28:43):
Now.
Speaker 4 (28:43):
He will get another year. But Rob, if next year it's.
Speaker 5 (28:47):
Similar to this year, you know, assuming they go out
in the first or second round this year, it's it's
gonna it's not gonna people are going to really re
evaluate ate Damian Lillard. We're gonna be a Hall of Famer.
Speaker 1 (29:02):
I agree, though there will be evaluation because and you
could make it the first year and changing of coaching
and all that, and Gianna's got heard, and you could
do all that another year.
Speaker 3 (29:14):
Christ then you got an issue.
Speaker 4 (29:16):
Yeah, and I actually think he will. He will or.
Speaker 5 (29:22):
Is getting somewhat of a pass this year because of
the coaching change.
Speaker 6 (29:28):
Doc.
Speaker 4 (29:28):
Now Rob is gonna get a lot of the criticism, right,
and Gianni's is hurt. And like we said, already standards
have been lowered.
Speaker 5 (29:37):
But you know, Dame, there was talk he kind is
on Steph's level.
Speaker 6 (29:42):
Right.
Speaker 5 (29:43):
The difference is he's not, you know with that super
team in Golden State. Well now it's looking like, no,
he's not on that level. He's great, but he's not
on that that level, the top seventy five. It was
already was controversial, Rob, I mean Kyrie Klay Thompson.
Speaker 3 (29:59):
Right, it's even more now. I mean, I'm telling you right,
because we questioned it at the time. Yeah, I did.
Speaker 4 (30:08):
Yeah, we talked about Kyrie and I get it. It's
an argument.
Speaker 5 (30:12):
But if Dame doesn't make good and in Milwaukee this
year or next year, and Rob, if he doesn't do it,
with this year or next year. At that point he'll
be like thirty five, thirty six years old, So you
would think it's not gonna do it. And then there's
even talk to Yannis. You know, if they get bounced down. Granted,
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Giannis is hurt, I don't know, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (30:36):
How you get I'm serious, like what he would be
asking out for what reason?
Speaker 3 (30:41):
Like serious? Yeah, you got hurt, You got hurt.
Speaker 1 (30:45):
And ain't no way that Bucks brought in Doc Rivers
without you agreeing to that. Now anybody can sit here
and tell you that he had no input on that.
Speaker 3 (30:52):
I don't buy it, right, I don't.
Speaker 4 (30:55):
No, it's we said this Ryd in fairness.
Speaker 5 (31:00):
We said this when Dame went to Milwaukee, and I
did like the trade, but I said, look, if they
don't get it done, then you know, Dame is going
to have to face the heat. If you win, it's
gonna be awesome, it's gonna boost you already terrific legacy.
But if you don't even get to the finals. A
(31:23):
team rob that won the finals, they won it already, right,
it was a few years ago, but they did win it.
That just makes it even worse. And so yeah, and
I'll say this before we open it up to the listeners.
Rob and I get it. I think it's real and
it's unfortunate if Dame is unhappy in Milwaukee, right, He's
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talked about that he's going through a divorce.
Speaker 4 (31:47):
He's not lonely. I get that.
Speaker 3 (31:51):
With your kids, Chris and your wife and things are
going to get that.
Speaker 5 (31:56):
But but you know what, that's not an excuse because
there are players all over the league and all over
the leagues going through divorces, going through baby mama drama,
going through just types yeah, yeah, whatever. It might be
issues with your children, and you have to play through it,
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and they do.
Speaker 4 (32:21):
And and even your average person, Rob, you have you
still got to show up to work.
Speaker 5 (32:24):
You and I if we were going through some crazy stuff,
we still have to show up through to work and
be vibrant and be funny, right and be like everything's good.
Speaker 4 (32:34):
That's that's being a professional.
Speaker 5 (32:36):
So while I feel for Dame in that, you know,
issues in his personal life, I don't want to hear
it are as any type of excuse. And I and fairness,
he's not making an excuse, but some might make that
excuse for him.
Speaker 4 (32:51):
And I don't think that's fair,
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