December 12, 2018 • 30 mins
It's The Best of the Odd Couple with Chris Broussard and Rob Parker! Chris and Rob discuss Kevin Durant's perceived slight towards LeBron James after the Warriors all-star listed Michael Jordan and Kobe Bryant as the greatest players ever (and not LeBron), and wonder aloud what -if anything- Durant can do to pass LeBron on the all-time rankings list. And, the guys debate whether or not AAU basketball circuit has made the young players in the NBA mentally soft.
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s R. You're listening to the Best of The Odd
Couple with Chris Brush and Ron Harker. Kevin Durant he
I was gonna say he can't keep Lebron James out
of his mouth, but he did keep Lebron James out
of his mouth this time. I'm telling me about to
be careful what you wish for, right right. And he
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was in an interview with Sean Sharnia of The Athletic.
KD talked about some who he thinks are the best
players of all time and guys he really likes to
watch on television. He's a basketball junkie. And here's what
he had to say. Rob g Our producers gonna read
it for us. Katie says, quote Kobe, MJ and Kyrie
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just the way they move. I don't understand why people
don't realize what they're seeing in these three, especially Jordan
and Kobe. Now, Kyrie's younger than me, and that's one
of my best friends, so I watch his stuff. I
get a play with step every day, so I know
his game inside and out. But watching Kobe and Mike,
I'm like, how do you not realize how good these
dudes are? How do you not say they're by far
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better than anybody who's played the game, just by the
way they move, how fluid they are better, by far
better than anybody that's ever played the game? Is that
a shot at Lebron? James? Did you mention Lebron? No? Okay?
Is that? I mean? He obviously left Lebron out? He
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said Kobe and Michael Jordan are the two best players ever.
And I'm asking is it wasn't a shot at Lebron?
I mean most people will look at it as a
shot because how could you not mention Lebron? But then
again for him, Kobe and Michael go together because Kobe
copied Michael Jordan's even the way he talked, the way
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he walked. I mean, so so that Wode was like
a fact. There's no doubt even water wrist band on
his uh forearm. You know what I mean just everything.
I mean and like a fact simile, he was great,
but not as great. No, no, no, but I'm just
saying he even when you would hear him talk, you
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wouldn't even be sure if that was Jordan and Kobe,
like they sounded alike. It was like eerie almost, but
um in this case, Uh, it was weird that he
mentioned Kyrie, who he says is his best friend and
so he watches him. It was I think that was
the weird part that Kyrie was mentioned. Well, I think
not that Lebron and Kobe. I mean, not the presence
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of Kyrie, because obviously Kyrie doesn't belong as great as
he is, but I think he'll be a Hall of
Fame doesn't And Kobe, he just said, watches him. Well,
but he mentioned three guys that he's like awed by. Yeah,
and that's why I think like Kyrie's presence shows that
each one of those guys, I think with Jordan and Kobe,
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it's the footwork, the post game, Kyrie, it's the handle.
So I think he was saying each play, each of
those players just has something that dazzles him, something that
that's what with that. However, he did go on to
say he separated Mike and Kobe from Kyrie when he
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says these two are by far the best players ever. Now,
it's debatable whether or not it was a shot at
Lebron because he's competing against Lebron, he's a peer. I
talked about this, like, if he said, like Lebron, you
know Kobe Lebrin exactly, like, it'd be like, well, how
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you gonna beat Look if you think that he's all
that and a bag of chips. So I agree with
that from the standpoint that he's a contemporary, he's a peer,
he's somebody he's competing against where those other guys aren't, right,
And I do think that that is part of it,
whether or not he's taking a shot at Lebron. Though
I'll say this, I like it. I like Durant's attitude.
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I like where he is right now and right in
his I think he's giving up the whole idea of
worrying about other people and what they're gonna send. He's
just taking. He's taking, and he's just saying whatever. He's
just firing up. He's saying whatever he wants to say,
and he obviously intends on backing it up. But I like,
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we all know it's Lebron and KD at this point
as far as kind of that battle for the two
best players in the world. Don't get me, Yannis yet
you know he's not where you gotta win some playoff games.
Don't get me, Anthony Davis. He's won one playoff GA.
It's k D and Lebron, and k D is really
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going at it like he He does not sound like
Rob a guy that plans to go to the Lakers
and play with Lebron. He sounds like a guy that
wants to beat Lebron. I want him to be considered
better than Lebron. Well, how do you do that? You
keep beating Lebron like a drum. He's already done it twice,
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well twice, But he will better than Lebron. Yeah, but
that's in some people's circle, most people, but overwhelming there
are other people who do who think he is better.
Even those that like you, even those that think he's
better right now still don't say he's better all time
than Lebron, that they have Lebron ranked higher. I think
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he has a chance to pass Lebron, and I think
he will in the next couple of years. And I
think if he stays in Golden State, if he wins
for straight and that's that's the thing, and we can
get into that. You know, I've said it myself. I
think he's gone from Golden State. No, when I say gone,
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I mean he's not gonna end his career there. I
think he'll stay there, may at most one more year.
But you could you can make a good argument why leave,
Why not win four? Why not see if you can
win five or something like that. So but I one
of the ways he could put himself ahead of Lebron
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because it's not gonna go away completely, the notion that
you went to a great team, a ready made team. Right,
even if you win four, it'll fade more and more,
but it'll still always be there for those that really
followed it closely. But if he wins four in Golden State,
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then go somewhere else. There was a report today about
the Clippers really looking at him in Kauai. No. I
don't that the Clippers feel that they have They have
cap room space and they got Jerry West who people respect,
and Doc Rivers who would fit on a championship, so
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they have a lot of things. And then you can
still live in Los Angeles, right, because that wouldn't be
all bad. That wouldn't be that those two guys joined
in with those other roles. And if you really want
to compete with Lebron, then you're going right into his
backyard and taking the little brother the Clippers and trying
to elevate him over the big brother of the Lakers.
Be sure to catch live editions of The Odd Couple
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with Chris Broussard and Rob Parker weekdays at seven pm
Eastern four pm Pacific on Fox Sports Radio and the
iHeart Radio app. I say this Rob, when I talked
to former players. Now, obviously virtually everyone in the media
has Lebron ahead of Kobe in all time rankings, but
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when I talked to X players, I would say more
most of the former players I've talked to who played
against both of them put Kobe ahead of Lebron because
they love the killer instinct that Kobe had, Michael, because
so few people have that. And even when people always
talk about what Lebron made the right basketball play, that
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that's a lot for a lot of guys, that's not
sometimes the right players for you to shoot over to
you guys, absolutely, because you're the best guy on the court.
You know that. Chris Now, in fairness to Lebron, I'm
just Sychael Jordan didn't always shoot. I'm not, but that's
but that's just the perception, am I right? Yeah? Yeah,
And because we know, I'm telling you, if he was
a ninety percent free throw shooter and food throws weren't
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an issue, I don't think people would be as hard
on Lebron about giving up the ball Layton games. Yeah,
but I don't think. I don't buy the notion that
he gives it up because he wants to avoid going
to the Sometimes it just seems the past to Kyle
Korver that in the finals that had nothing to do with,
oh I'm about to get foul, let me give it up,
but that that play doesn't make let me hear me
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out before we move on. The play doesn't make any
sense to me. Okay, from this standpoint, you're up by three,
up by two with the basketball, Lebron's the best player.
Draymond Green is in front of you, who has five fouls?
If you're if you're Lebron, were they up to they
were up two, There was no need for a corner
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three in that situation with Lebron having a basketball I'm
talking about the people I talked to just said, why
do you need a three? To remember? That got the
need of three right. But I'm saying today's NBA is
not about he's got the basket in free He's in
front of the basket, in front of the basket, and
Draymond's that Draymond's either gonna pull back's and then you
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get Draymond out of the game, you go to a
knock two free throws down, you're up by four. It
just it just didn't seem like it makes sense, that's all.
And when a guy doesn't make it, Look when you
don't make it, that's what it was. Because if if
if Jordan gives it to Ker and he doesn't make
the shot, are we trying? Are we killing Michael Jordan?
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So look, he did make it or Coorver missed it,
the rest is history and they didn't score another point.
Don't forget about that we were talking about before the
end of the last segment. If k D stays in
Golden State, obviously there this season, they have a chance
to win their third straight. And he stays one more
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year for the first year of the new arena in
San Francisco, and if they win four straight, that'll be
his story. The only player to win four straight or
to lead a team to that was Bill Russell. Other
Celtics teammates they won four straight as well, but he
was the leader of that team. Michael Jordan didn't do it. Yeah, shock,
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none of them one four straight? So the question and
then what if he left there and went to say
the Clippers. There was a story today about the Los
Angeles Clippers pursuing both Kawhi Leonard and Kevin Durant. They
have the cap room to get two max guys, and
what if they get those two guys or Durant goes
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there a year later and wins the ring with the Clippers. Like, basically,
the point I want to throw out and ask you
is ken Kevin Durant historically passed Lebron James Ron James
viewed is the second best player. But so are you
saying Durant could end up being the second best player
of all times? Absolutely if he wins four straight, if
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Lebron's mission in LA's a failure, and where's a good
chance it's gonna has three? So it has three and
what nine trips and he wins those two more with
Golden date and wins another one in La or the
Knicks or Brooklyn or some team that had never won
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or hadn't won in a long time. That would elevate him.
His legacy would be through the roof because it would
be like, uh not, Michael Jordan didn't win through four
in a row. All these guys didn't win four in
a row. He did that, now he did. He go
to the to the best team, but he capitalized on
that great team and they and they kept winning, unlike
when Lebron put together his super team, they won two
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out of four. So he would have that then his
Then for all the critics who say, while you went
to a great team and he goes to another team
and they win one championship, that would be the icing
on the cake that to me would push him over
the top. It would be hard for him to deny that.
It wouldn't be that. I mean, look, it'd be hard
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to deny that he didn't he didn't flourish in the
Lebron James era. Here's the thing, though Kobe Bryant has
five championships, very very few people in terms of quote
unquote experts, pundits all that put Kobe ahead of Lebron.
Lebron's got three, Kobe had five, but most people have
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Lebron James ranked ahead of Kobe. Bro. But to the argument,
just if Duran is up with five titles or whatever,
it's that's just rings by it somebody. That's what determines
what people are always gonna be up. You're right, no, Lebron,
people are gonna look and say, you still went to
the seventy three win team. It was a stacked team.
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So I don't think Duran that's not I just don't
think he's better than Lebron. Lebron controls a game much better.
But the other part is I think the historic part
of winning four in a row and separating yourself. It's hard.
People that like to act like, oh, this guy won
four in a row. Even Lebron couldn't do that when
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he went to Miami. You know what I mean. Lebron
went to the finals eight years in a row and
he couldn't even put together any kind of streaked like that.
You could all, I mean, make all the cases and
then you could just say, well, is it about winning
or is it about filling a statue. Lebron is the
best at filling a statue. There's there's no argument there.
And I'm not saying that doesn't mean he's not a
great player, because I've always said, but I think I
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think that the case could be made for Durant if
he had those those championships, saying, look, there's a lot,
there's a reason for him to stay in Golden State.
He should think about that. I think he's thinking that.
I don't think he's going for four straight. He should
really think about going for four straight, because you're right,
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if the goal and his goal should be to be
the best player of my generation, heck to be the
best player of all time, that should be his goal.
So you should think about staying in Golden State and
winning four straight championships. But I don't think he's better
than Lebron James. I just just watching the game, watching
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the way players play. I think Ron controls the game
a lot better than Katie. Katie's record when he doesn't
have even with the Warriors, as Steph Curry on the
court is not that great. We saw when he was
in Oklahoma City with another superstar in Westbrook. They never
won the title. When he's been here in Golden State
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and Steph's not on the floor, they played well, but
they're not nearly as good. They're far from. I think
you're discounting him big time when all time great play
you talk about. But what he's done against Lebron, he
didn't do much against Lebron till he win the Golden State.
Oh but I'm saying, but still when he faced up
against Lebron and he had to make big shots and
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big moments he made him on Lebron. I just that
stuff to me counts, of course, but it doesn't elevate
him to be better than Lebron. I'm not saying. I'm
saying when you add everything together, that matters to me.
When he won that first championship and he just came
and busted the shot right in front of Lebron, I'm
just like, God, well one else counts. You got Steph
Hurry and Clay Thompson. What I will say is this,
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it's organic. You know a lot of I mean, Michael Jordan,
as great as he was in college and the Olympics,
nobody expected him to become the greatest player of all time.
You know, nobody expected him to be better than Magic
Johnson and Larry Bird. He was the third pick in
the draft, so a lot of times it happens organically.
And Dwayne Wade, nobody thought he would become arguably the
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third best shooting guarden. Nobody ever thought he would take
a million free throws in the championship and win. Right,
I'll give you that. You're trying to be funny, but
you know what I'm talking about. But hey, it happened.
He got the calls. What are you gonna do? But
I'm just saying so to your point, you know, maybe Duran,
if he gets all these accomplishments, maybe people will start
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to view him that way. It's it's it's a good
discussion and there's something to watch for and hopefully it's
something Kadal think about when he makes his decisions on
where to go and play in the future. Be sure
to catch live editions of The Odd Couple with Chris
Broussard and Rob Parker weekdays at seven pm Eastern four
pm Pacific. And for the time being, we're gonna get
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into We're gonna stay with the NBA, but we're gonna
get into the Chicago Bulls and what happened recently. You know,
they fired Fred Hoiberg a little over a week ago,
and Jim Boylan, who had been an assistant there also,
he's a long time NBA assistant, had been other undergrad
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Popovich and all that, and he's taken over the team.
And you know, Fred Hoiberg's a very laid back, nice
gentle guy. Yeah, he was a nice guy. Really. I mean,
you couldn't help but like Fred Hoiberg, but the culture
under him, it was just too soft. And that was
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something that the Bulls wanted to change. When they fired
Hoiberg and Jim Boylan came in. He actually used the
phrase Rob's shock and awe because that's what he wanted
to do with his players, is put them in shock
and awe. And he began running. But let me let
me just paint the picture. He began running these long
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arduous practices sometimes day after a game, which and he
he you know, has been really tough on the players
as far as substitutions. He has substituted the entire starting
five and sat them during games when they weren't playing well,
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and the players basically revolted. He was going they had
lost the game by fifty something points. The next day
he was going and he had benched the starters during
that game. Next game he was going to have. The
rumor was that he was gonna have this really hard
practice on a Sunday, and the players were actually texting
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among themselves that maybe they weren't gonna show up. They
decided to show up up and they had a two
instead of the practice. They had a two hour player
or a player's only meeting didn't last two hours, but
then they had a meeting with the coach and so
it's just been a mess there. Uh, this is arguably
one of the worst teams in the league. Not arguably
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is one of the worst teams in the league. And
what it brought to me Rob was players. They I
think a lot of these players are soft today. I
don't I don't get to coach them. I don't get
that that they can't. I don't think they're used to
tough coaching. No. I just think that there's a way
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of doing it, and and I don't I didn't look
at that situation as they don't want to be coached.
They were a bad team and they're just babies. I
think what Boiland did in trying to because he got
the job. And you just said if Fred Hoiberg was
was was a country club, it is easy and all that.
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That automatically, like bringing in somebody who's gonna do the
exact opposite, doesn't always work. And I'm not saying that
that you can't be coached or you can't be criticized.
That's not what I'm saying. But I don't I didn't
get that from that. I got that they thought that
this guy was going over the deep end trying to
make a point or convinced I don't know, the bosses
to hire him full time, or that he's going to
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crack the whip. And they pushed back, And I think
that that's okay to push back on the coach who's
maybe going overboard with trying to make a point. And
I think that what the players did, I have no
issue with if a guy is going I mean, it's
not like he held a four hour practice, said like
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there was rumors that was gonna be this this crazy practice.
They are six and twenty two, They got the second
worst record in the league. Nobody on that roster has
accomplished anything in the NBA. That's fine, So my point is,
if you're a losing team like that, you gotta listen. Now,
I'll give you this if if the players do have
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the power, if they don't buy it, if they had
not shown up for practice, or if they basically did
a mutiny, he would have to eventually get fired. So
the player, you're right, look, a coach, you can come
in and be hard nosed or whatever, but if the
players don't receive it and accept it, you're going to
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get fired. And you know what, normally because they have
to control. But my point is that I don't think
these players had the the resumes to push back the
way they did just because he wanted to have a
hard practice. You're six and twenty two. It should be
a hard problem. That doesn't mean you're gonna win anything
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because the coach makes you practice harder, but or do
something the way it was working before isn't working and
you can't to run sprints to get in shape. Blah.
I'm just saying, that's not order part of his problem.
That's like some punishment. When you're trying to punish people,
you no. But I'm just saying, Chris, it's not just
I don't believe that they just decided, oh, this is
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too hard and we don't want to do this and
we're terrible, but we still want to stay terrible. They
looked at it as a coach guard run a muck,
that this guy was gonna come in and like punish
them for what the failures of Hoiberg, and what went
on was that's what it was. He felt like that's
what it would take to get them to win games
and make them better. And I think it's a result
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of the AU culture, because AU basketball, I would argue,
is more important in terms of kids futures now than
what they do in high school games. I don't school.
I don't disagree with that. I got you know, you're
not getting coach hard and AU. I get it. You
can't if I haven't AU team and I've just superstarted
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all the colleges want. And I coach him hard. I
get on him for not playing defense, I get on
him for taking as shots or whatever. He might just
go next door and play for the next team. And
then I lost my best players. So they just they
collow these AU. These kids in AU, they don't coach
them hard, and so they are not used to being
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coached hard. You're six and twenty two. I get it
if what you were doing was working. If you're eighteen
and four, eighteen and ten and you guys have some
playoff experience and somebody comes in there and wants to
have harder practices, I get that. But you're six and
twenty two. None of you has done a thing. I
love Zach Lavine, Jabari Parker, Lowry marketing, but they haven't
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done anything in the NBA before. They didn't tell me
I can't hold a long practice well because that's not
what it's normally done in the NBA. Where he's going
above and beyond what most players, what most players expect
to be done in the NBA. And I think they
looked at it where he was just trying to punish
them or just to be tough, like when GOBL guys
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play a fully tough guy role. But I'm gonna come
in here and whip you guys into shape. I think
that's where the pushback came in. Being graduated, I mean
style of coaching he was under Popovich, he's been what
did he win? What did no boiling he was? He's
never been ahead all right, then he's been an assistant
coach and one champion got it. But but he he
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doesn't have he'd never won anything. But coaches the only
way a person can coach. They're an authority. The coaches
have authority. I get listen to it. Then you're never
gonna be a good team. But we're in a different
world now, where I agree. It's a different world and
people do have just because somebody's a boss. And there
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were times when people did stuff when Bobby, when Bobby
Knight had a might have been bringing Bobby because throwing chairs.
No he did Jim boiling, you know, grabbing people by
the throat. No, Bobby Knight has practice. He had a
whip at practice, saying I will whip you guys in
the shape. That's why has nothing to do with this
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conversation because Jim Boylan wasn't doing that. But my point
is I was saying the same thing. I'm trying to
whip these guys in the shape, and be hard on him.
I'm gonna get you guys in the shape. Pop here,
pop the whip. And everybody like, oh, that's just Bobby Knight.
That's how he coaches. That's because this guy can get
stuff out of people. All I'm saying is that has
nothing to do with this kind Sometimes you could, you
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could as as players. Now you can push back. This
isn't the first time this has happened. Other guys pushed
back and told coaches they're not going to show up.
I think they had an incident in Detroit with um
with um Um what was his name, the forward? Uh? Oh,
my god, Um, I remember his name. But they had
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like the same kind of thing with practice coach. He
was the coach of Michael Michael. Oh, Mike, Yeah, Mike Curry. Mike,
Mike Curry, you remember that. But the same kind of
thing happened with those veterans. No, but I'm just what
I'm just saying on tying to think, Yeah it was,
I mean, but it was similar. All I'm saying is
that they pushed back on Mike Curry. Look, you're right
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if the like coaches can go overboard, but I haven't
seen anything to suggest that this guy went over Where
you're six and twenty two and they have more talent
than that. Lowry Marketing is a really good player, Zach
Levine is a really good player. They got justin Holliday.
They got some pretty decent talent. And my point is
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a coach wanting to have practice, a two hour practice
the day after a loss. And you got these young
kids fresh into the league, haven't won anything out the
second worst record in the league, and they're gonna threaten
not to go just well, well, you know what. There
was pushback in the NFL. Thiswship where Matt Patricia with
the Lions. Here's the first time head coach. He wanted
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to practice. They practiced him outside kristin next three games
were all endured. That was just a couple of That
was a couple of weeks ago, and the players were like,
but what is this. Why are we practicing outdoors in
the snow? It was in the snow and they have
three indoor games where they're not even gonna be outside.
How does that help you at all? That was like
a punishment, and that's why it sometimes have a punishment.
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If the team is playing badly, sometimes there can be punished.
Coach sprint coach better. He just joined the team trying
to coach. He ain't coaching. That's all. That's punishment, nonsense.
Come up with a better skin. Punishment. It can be
a part of coaching. We're playing, we're playing poorly, get
on the line and run some suicide. I get it,
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they're grown in and it's a little different. But I'm saying,
a hard practice. The dudes coaching too hard. He substituted
all five quays you're talking down twenty you're talking about
to me because I substituted off all five players. Talking
about a hard product. If you're upset, If you're upset,
then play better. Your boy Martin here is with me too.
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Mardinay with me with you? He a young millennial to him.
Noo that all these guys got a solved. There's That's
what I'm saying. No, but I disagree with the idea
that players can't push back. No, they can push back.
I'm just saying, in this instance, you got a six
and twenty two team, you got a bunch of players
who haven't done any type of winning in the NBA,
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and a coach wants to have hard practices. There shouldn't
be there shouldn't be pushed back on that. Yeah, but
I think, man, the coach is substituting five players at
the time, it's because you're not doing you're not running
the game playing and you're down twenty. We gotta quote
from Alan Overson about this whole situation. And your favorite coach,
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Larry brown On was notorious for hard practice, and he
also got talking about practice. Not all the time game,
not the game that I go out there and die
for and play every game like it's my last. Not
the game. We're talking about practice. Man. Which one of
those players on the let me let me go down
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the list, Which one of them is Alan Iverson, Zach Levine,
uh Jabari Parker, Justin Holiday, Wendell Carter, Bobby Porters. Stop
me when when you find the woman the next Allen Iverson,
all the Santonio Blakeney, they have to say, Sequille Harrison.
They all did the same thing that none of them
won a championship like Iverson. So but Iverson was an
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All Star, All NBA icon, I know he was. I
know who Alan Overson was. Why are you comparing Shaquille
Harrison to him? Now? All I'm saying is, don't always
side with the crazies. Always side with the crazy, crazy
coach just because he's authority. Figure. Those guys are wrong
a lot and they don't know what they're doing. Sometimes
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to perfect anything to work, there has to be authority.
And you know what but Chris also and we run
of your old kid fresh out of college. We've never
won anything? Is it the author We've also had and
we've seen in life where people have made changes in
life by going against the grain and not following suits.
All I'm saying is, what's that got to do with this?
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Because maybe they thought what he was doing and for
enough players, I'm not talking about when a team is
together in the Texans saying we should not go to
practice or whatever that that that's not usually a one
or two guys. That means that what the guy was
doing didn't fit with what they would used to be
in as far as twenty two, I'm talking about a
NA No. They Jack Levine played for Timbodou Timbodaux. I
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don't I doubt this guy's coaching harder than Tibodeaux. And
Tibodeaux got success, he gets resolved. I just think you're
a slave to authority, that's what you. Please stop that
because you're the one that's mad at Lebron for bucking authority.
You think Lebron ruined the NBA by not being a
company man. You're waiting for this book
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s R. You're listening to the Best of The Odd
Couple with Chris Brush and Ron Harker. Kevin Durant he
I was gonna say he can't keep Lebron James out
of his mouth, but he did keep Lebron James out
of his mouth this time. I'm telling me about to
be careful what you wish for, right right. And he
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was in an interview with Sean Sharnia of The Athletic.
KD talked about some who he thinks are the best
players of all time and guys he really likes to
watch on television. He's a basketball junkie. And here's what
he had to say. Rob g Our producers gonna read
it for us. Katie says, quote Kobe, MJ and Kyrie
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just the way they move. I don't understand why people
don't realize what they're seeing in these three, especially Jordan
and Kobe. Now, Kyrie's younger than me, and that's one
of my best friends, so I watch his stuff. I
get a play with step every day, so I know
his game inside and out. But watching Kobe and Mike,
I'm like, how do you not realize how good these
dudes are? How do you not say they're by far
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better than anybody who's played the game, just by the
way they move, how fluid they are better, by far
better than anybody that's ever played the game? Is that
a shot at Lebron? James? Did you mention Lebron? No? Okay?
Is that? I mean? He obviously left Lebron out? He
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said Kobe and Michael Jordan are the two best players ever.
And I'm asking is it wasn't a shot at Lebron?
I mean most people will look at it as a
shot because how could you not mention Lebron? But then
again for him, Kobe and Michael go together because Kobe
copied Michael Jordan's even the way he talked, the way
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he walked. I mean, so so that Wode was like
a fact. There's no doubt even water wrist band on
his uh forearm. You know what I mean just everything.
I mean and like a fact simile, he was great,
but not as great. No, no, no, but I'm just
saying he even when you would hear him talk, you
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wouldn't even be sure if that was Jordan and Kobe,
like they sounded alike. It was like eerie almost, but
um in this case, Uh, it was weird that he
mentioned Kyrie, who he says is his best friend and
so he watches him. It was I think that was
the weird part that Kyrie was mentioned. Well, I think
not that Lebron and Kobe. I mean, not the presence
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of Kyrie, because obviously Kyrie doesn't belong as great as
he is, but I think he'll be a Hall of
Fame doesn't And Kobe, he just said, watches him. Well,
but he mentioned three guys that he's like awed by. Yeah,
and that's why I think like Kyrie's presence shows that
each one of those guys, I think with Jordan and Kobe,
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it's the footwork, the post game, Kyrie, it's the handle.
So I think he was saying each play, each of
those players just has something that dazzles him, something that
that's what with that. However, he did go on to
say he separated Mike and Kobe from Kyrie when he
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says these two are by far the best players ever. Now,
it's debatable whether or not it was a shot at
Lebron because he's competing against Lebron, he's a peer. I
talked about this, like, if he said, like Lebron, you
know Kobe Lebrin exactly, like, it'd be like, well, how
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you gonna beat Look if you think that he's all
that and a bag of chips. So I agree with
that from the standpoint that he's a contemporary, he's a peer,
he's somebody he's competing against where those other guys aren't, right,
And I do think that that is part of it,
whether or not he's taking a shot at Lebron. Though
I'll say this, I like it. I like Durant's attitude.
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I like where he is right now and right in
his I think he's giving up the whole idea of
worrying about other people and what they're gonna send. He's
just taking. He's taking, and he's just saying whatever. He's
just firing up. He's saying whatever he wants to say,
and he obviously intends on backing it up. But I like,
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we all know it's Lebron and KD at this point
as far as kind of that battle for the two
best players in the world. Don't get me, Yannis yet
you know he's not where you gotta win some playoff games.
Don't get me, Anthony Davis. He's won one playoff GA.
It's k D and Lebron, and k D is really
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going at it like he He does not sound like
Rob a guy that plans to go to the Lakers
and play with Lebron. He sounds like a guy that
wants to beat Lebron. I want him to be considered
better than Lebron. Well, how do you do that? You
keep beating Lebron like a drum. He's already done it twice,
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well twice, But he will better than Lebron. Yeah, but
that's in some people's circle, most people, but overwhelming there
are other people who do who think he is better.
Even those that like you, even those that think he's
better right now still don't say he's better all time
than Lebron, that they have Lebron ranked higher. I think
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he has a chance to pass Lebron, and I think
he will in the next couple of years. And I
think if he stays in Golden State, if he wins
for straight and that's that's the thing, and we can
get into that. You know, I've said it myself. I
think he's gone from Golden State. No, when I say gone,
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I mean he's not gonna end his career there. I
think he'll stay there, may at most one more year.
But you could you can make a good argument why leave,
Why not win four? Why not see if you can
win five or something like that. So but I one
of the ways he could put himself ahead of Lebron
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because it's not gonna go away completely, the notion that
you went to a great team, a ready made team. Right,
even if you win four, it'll fade more and more,
but it'll still always be there for those that really
followed it closely. But if he wins four in Golden State,
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then go somewhere else. There was a report today about
the Clippers really looking at him in Kauai. No. I
don't that the Clippers feel that they have They have
cap room space and they got Jerry West who people respect,
and Doc Rivers who would fit on a championship, so
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they have a lot of things. And then you can
still live in Los Angeles, right, because that wouldn't be
all bad. That wouldn't be that those two guys joined
in with those other roles. And if you really want
to compete with Lebron, then you're going right into his
backyard and taking the little brother the Clippers and trying
to elevate him over the big brother of the Lakers.
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with Chris Broussard and Rob Parker weekdays at seven pm
Eastern four pm Pacific on Fox Sports Radio and the
iHeart Radio app. I say this Rob, when I talked
to former players. Now, obviously virtually everyone in the media
has Lebron ahead of Kobe in all time rankings, but
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when I talked to X players, I would say more
most of the former players I've talked to who played
against both of them put Kobe ahead of Lebron because
they love the killer instinct that Kobe had, Michael, because
so few people have that. And even when people always
talk about what Lebron made the right basketball play, that
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that's a lot for a lot of guys, that's not
sometimes the right players for you to shoot over to
you guys, absolutely, because you're the best guy on the court.
You know that. Chris Now, in fairness to Lebron, I'm
just Sychael Jordan didn't always shoot. I'm not, but that's
but that's just the perception, am I right? Yeah? Yeah,
And because we know, I'm telling you, if he was
a ninety percent free throw shooter and food throws weren't
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an issue, I don't think people would be as hard
on Lebron about giving up the ball Layton games. Yeah,
but I don't think. I don't buy the notion that
he gives it up because he wants to avoid going
to the Sometimes it just seems the past to Kyle
Korver that in the finals that had nothing to do with,
oh I'm about to get foul, let me give it up,
but that that play doesn't make let me hear me
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out before we move on. The play doesn't make any
sense to me. Okay, from this standpoint, you're up by three,
up by two with the basketball, Lebron's the best player.
Draymond Green is in front of you, who has five fouls?
If you're if you're Lebron, were they up to they
were up two, There was no need for a corner
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three in that situation with Lebron having a basketball I'm
talking about the people I talked to just said, why
do you need a three? To remember? That got the
need of three right. But I'm saying today's NBA is
not about he's got the basket in free He's in
front of the basket, in front of the basket, and
Draymond's that Draymond's either gonna pull back's and then you
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get Draymond out of the game, you go to a
knock two free throws down, you're up by four. It
just it just didn't seem like it makes sense, that's all.
And when a guy doesn't make it, Look when you
don't make it, that's what it was. Because if if
if Jordan gives it to Ker and he doesn't make
the shot, are we trying? Are we killing Michael Jordan?
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So look, he did make it or Coorver missed it,
the rest is history and they didn't score another point.
Don't forget about that we were talking about before the
end of the last segment. If k D stays in
Golden State, obviously there this season, they have a chance
to win their third straight. And he stays one more
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year for the first year of the new arena in
San Francisco, and if they win four straight, that'll be
his story. The only player to win four straight or
to lead a team to that was Bill Russell. Other
Celtics teammates they won four straight as well, but he
was the leader of that team. Michael Jordan didn't do it. Yeah, shock,
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none of them one four straight? So the question and
then what if he left there and went to say
the Clippers. There was a story today about the Los
Angeles Clippers pursuing both Kawhi Leonard and Kevin Durant. They
have the cap room to get two max guys, and
what if they get those two guys or Durant goes
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there a year later and wins the ring with the Clippers. Like, basically,
the point I want to throw out and ask you
is ken Kevin Durant historically passed Lebron James Ron James
viewed is the second best player. But so are you
saying Durant could end up being the second best player
of all times? Absolutely if he wins four straight, if
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Lebron's mission in LA's a failure, and where's a good
chance it's gonna has three? So it has three and
what nine trips and he wins those two more with
Golden date and wins another one in La or the
Knicks or Brooklyn or some team that had never won
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or hadn't won in a long time. That would elevate him.
His legacy would be through the roof because it would
be like, uh not, Michael Jordan didn't win through four
in a row. All these guys didn't win four in
a row. He did that, now he did. He go
to the to the best team, but he capitalized on
that great team and they and they kept winning, unlike
when Lebron put together his super team, they won two
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out of four. So he would have that then his
Then for all the critics who say, while you went
to a great team and he goes to another team
and they win one championship, that would be the icing
on the cake that to me would push him over
the top. It would be hard for him to deny that.
It wouldn't be that. I mean, look, it'd be hard
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to deny that he didn't he didn't flourish in the
Lebron James era. Here's the thing, though Kobe Bryant has
five championships, very very few people in terms of quote
unquote experts, pundits all that put Kobe ahead of Lebron.
Lebron's got three, Kobe had five, but most people have
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Lebron James ranked ahead of Kobe. Bro. But to the argument,
just if Duran is up with five titles or whatever,
it's that's just rings by it somebody. That's what determines
what people are always gonna be up. You're right, no, Lebron,
people are gonna look and say, you still went to
the seventy three win team. It was a stacked team.
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So I don't think Duran that's not I just don't
think he's better than Lebron. Lebron controls a game much better.
But the other part is I think the historic part
of winning four in a row and separating yourself. It's hard.
People that like to act like, oh, this guy won
four in a row. Even Lebron couldn't do that when
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he went to Miami. You know what I mean. Lebron
went to the finals eight years in a row and
he couldn't even put together any kind of streaked like that.
You could all, I mean, make all the cases and
then you could just say, well, is it about winning
or is it about filling a statue. Lebron is the
best at filling a statue. There's there's no argument there.
And I'm not saying that doesn't mean he's not a
great player, because I've always said, but I think I
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think that the case could be made for Durant if
he had those those championships, saying, look, there's a lot,
there's a reason for him to stay in Golden State.
He should think about that. I think he's thinking that.
I don't think he's going for four straight. He should
really think about going for four straight, because you're right,
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if the goal and his goal should be to be
the best player of my generation, heck to be the
best player of all time, that should be his goal.
So you should think about staying in Golden State and
winning four straight championships. But I don't think he's better
than Lebron James. I just just watching the game, watching
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the way players play. I think Ron controls the game
a lot better than Katie. Katie's record when he doesn't
have even with the Warriors, as Steph Curry on the
court is not that great. We saw when he was
in Oklahoma City with another superstar in Westbrook. They never
won the title. When he's been here in Golden State
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and Steph's not on the floor, they played well, but
they're not nearly as good. They're far from. I think
you're discounting him big time when all time great play
you talk about. But what he's done against Lebron, he
didn't do much against Lebron till he win the Golden State.
Oh but I'm saying, but still when he faced up
against Lebron and he had to make big shots and
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big moments he made him on Lebron. I just that
stuff to me counts, of course, but it doesn't elevate
him to be better than Lebron. I'm not saying. I'm
saying when you add everything together, that matters to me.
When he won that first championship and he just came
and busted the shot right in front of Lebron, I'm
just like, God, well one else counts. You got Steph
Hurry and Clay Thompson. What I will say is this,
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it's organic. You know a lot of I mean, Michael Jordan,
as great as he was in college and the Olympics,
nobody expected him to become the greatest player of all time.
You know, nobody expected him to be better than Magic
Johnson and Larry Bird. He was the third pick in
the draft, so a lot of times it happens organically.
And Dwayne Wade, nobody thought he would become arguably the
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third best shooting guarden. Nobody ever thought he would take
a million free throws in the championship and win. Right,
I'll give you that. You're trying to be funny, but
you know what I'm talking about. But hey, it happened.
He got the calls. What are you gonna do? But
I'm just saying so to your point, you know, maybe Duran,
if he gets all these accomplishments, maybe people will start
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to view him that way. It's it's it's a good
discussion and there's something to watch for and hopefully it's
something Kadal think about when he makes his decisions on
where to go and play in the future. Be sure
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Broussard and Rob Parker weekdays at seven pm Eastern four
pm Pacific. And for the time being, we're gonna get
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into We're gonna stay with the NBA, but we're gonna
get into the Chicago Bulls and what happened recently. You know,
they fired Fred Hoiberg a little over a week ago,
and Jim Boylan, who had been an assistant there also,
he's a long time NBA assistant, had been other undergrad
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Popovich and all that, and he's taken over the team.
And you know, Fred Hoiberg's a very laid back, nice
gentle guy. Yeah, he was a nice guy. Really. I mean,
you couldn't help but like Fred Hoiberg, but the culture
under him, it was just too soft. And that was
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something that the Bulls wanted to change. When they fired
Hoiberg and Jim Boylan came in. He actually used the
phrase Rob's shock and awe because that's what he wanted
to do with his players, is put them in shock
and awe. And he began running. But let me let
me just paint the picture. He began running these long
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arduous practices sometimes day after a game, which and he
he you know, has been really tough on the players
as far as substitutions. He has substituted the entire starting
five and sat them during games when they weren't playing well,
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and the players basically revolted. He was going they had
lost the game by fifty something points. The next day
he was going and he had benched the starters during
that game. Next game he was going to have. The
rumor was that he was gonna have this really hard
practice on a Sunday, and the players were actually texting
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among themselves that maybe they weren't gonna show up. They
decided to show up up and they had a two
instead of the practice. They had a two hour player
or a player's only meeting didn't last two hours, but
then they had a meeting with the coach and so
it's just been a mess there. Uh, this is arguably
one of the worst teams in the league. Not arguably
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is one of the worst teams in the league. And
what it brought to me Rob was players. They I
think a lot of these players are soft today. I
don't I don't get to coach them. I don't get
that that they can't. I don't think they're used to
tough coaching. No. I just think that there's a way
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of doing it, and and I don't I didn't look
at that situation as they don't want to be coached.
They were a bad team and they're just babies. I
think what Boiland did in trying to because he got
the job. And you just said if Fred Hoiberg was
was was a country club, it is easy and all that.
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That automatically, like bringing in somebody who's gonna do the
exact opposite, doesn't always work. And I'm not saying that
that you can't be coached or you can't be criticized.
That's not what I'm saying. But I don't I didn't
get that from that. I got that they thought that
this guy was going over the deep end trying to
make a point or convinced I don't know, the bosses
to hire him full time, or that he's going to
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crack the whip. And they pushed back, And I think
that that's okay to push back on the coach who's
maybe going overboard with trying to make a point. And
I think that what the players did, I have no
issue with if a guy is going I mean, it's
not like he held a four hour practice, said like
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there was rumors that was gonna be this this crazy practice.
They are six and twenty two, They got the second
worst record in the league. Nobody on that roster has
accomplished anything in the NBA. That's fine, So my point is,
if you're a losing team like that, you gotta listen. Now,
I'll give you this if if the players do have
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the power, if they don't buy it, if they had
not shown up for practice, or if they basically did
a mutiny, he would have to eventually get fired. So
the player, you're right, look, a coach, you can come
in and be hard nosed or whatever, but if the
players don't receive it and accept it, you're going to
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get fired. And you know what, normally because they have
to control. But my point is that I don't think
these players had the the resumes to push back the
way they did just because he wanted to have a
hard practice. You're six and twenty two. It should be
a hard problem. That doesn't mean you're gonna win anything
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because the coach makes you practice harder, but or do
something the way it was working before isn't working and
you can't to run sprints to get in shape. Blah.
I'm just saying, that's not order part of his problem.
That's like some punishment. When you're trying to punish people,
you no. But I'm just saying, Chris, it's not just
I don't believe that they just decided, oh, this is
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too hard and we don't want to do this and
we're terrible, but we still want to stay terrible. They
looked at it as a coach guard run a muck,
that this guy was gonna come in and like punish
them for what the failures of Hoiberg, and what went
on was that's what it was. He felt like that's
what it would take to get them to win games
and make them better. And I think it's a result
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of the AU culture, because AU basketball, I would argue,
is more important in terms of kids futures now than
what they do in high school games. I don't school.
I don't disagree with that. I got you know, you're
not getting coach hard and AU. I get it. You
can't if I haven't AU team and I've just superstarted
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all the colleges want. And I coach him hard. I
get on him for not playing defense, I get on
him for taking as shots or whatever. He might just
go next door and play for the next team. And
then I lost my best players. So they just they
collow these AU. These kids in AU, they don't coach
them hard, and so they are not used to being
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coached hard. You're six and twenty two. I get it
if what you were doing was working. If you're eighteen
and four, eighteen and ten and you guys have some
playoff experience and somebody comes in there and wants to
have harder practices, I get that. But you're six and
twenty two. None of you has done a thing. I
love Zach Lavine, Jabari Parker, Lowry marketing, but they haven't
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done anything in the NBA before. They didn't tell me
I can't hold a long practice well because that's not
what it's normally done in the NBA. Where he's going
above and beyond what most players, what most players expect
to be done in the NBA. And I think they
looked at it where he was just trying to punish
them or just to be tough, like when GOBL guys
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play a fully tough guy role. But I'm gonna come
in here and whip you guys into shape. I think
that's where the pushback came in. Being graduated, I mean
style of coaching he was under Popovich, he's been what
did he win? What did no boiling he was? He's
never been ahead all right, then he's been an assistant
coach and one champion got it. But but he he
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doesn't have he'd never won anything. But coaches the only
way a person can coach. They're an authority. The coaches
have authority. I get listen to it. Then you're never
gonna be a good team. But we're in a different
world now, where I agree. It's a different world and
people do have just because somebody's a boss. And there
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were times when people did stuff when Bobby, when Bobby
Knight had a might have been bringing Bobby because throwing chairs.
No he did Jim boiling, you know, grabbing people by
the throat. No, Bobby Knight has practice. He had a
whip at practice, saying I will whip you guys in
the shape. That's why has nothing to do with this
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conversation because Jim Boylan wasn't doing that. But my point
is I was saying the same thing. I'm trying to
whip these guys in the shape, and be hard on him.
I'm gonna get you guys in the shape. Pop here,
pop the whip. And everybody like, oh, that's just Bobby Knight.
That's how he coaches. That's because this guy can get
stuff out of people. All I'm saying is that has
nothing to do with this kind Sometimes you could, you
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could as as players. Now you can push back. This
isn't the first time this has happened. Other guys pushed
back and told coaches they're not going to show up.
I think they had an incident in Detroit with um
with um Um what was his name, the forward? Uh? Oh,
my god, Um, I remember his name. But they had
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like the same kind of thing with practice coach. He
was the coach of Michael Michael. Oh, Mike, Yeah, Mike Curry. Mike,
Mike Curry, you remember that. But the same kind of
thing happened with those veterans. No, but I'm just what
I'm just saying on tying to think, Yeah it was,
I mean, but it was similar. All I'm saying is
that they pushed back on Mike Curry. Look, you're right
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if the like coaches can go overboard, but I haven't
seen anything to suggest that this guy went over Where
you're six and twenty two and they have more talent
than that. Lowry Marketing is a really good player, Zach
Levine is a really good player. They got justin Holliday.
They got some pretty decent talent. And my point is
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a coach wanting to have practice, a two hour practice
the day after a loss. And you got these young
kids fresh into the league, haven't won anything out the
second worst record in the league, and they're gonna threaten
not to go just well, well, you know what. There
was pushback in the NFL. Thiswship where Matt Patricia with
the Lions. Here's the first time head coach. He wanted
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to practice. They practiced him outside kristin next three games
were all endured. That was just a couple of That
was a couple of weeks ago, and the players were like,
but what is this. Why are we practicing outdoors in
the snow? It was in the snow and they have
three indoor games where they're not even gonna be outside.
How does that help you at all? That was like
a punishment, and that's why it sometimes have a punishment.
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If the team is playing badly, sometimes there can be punished.
Coach sprint coach better. He just joined the team trying
to coach. He ain't coaching. That's all. That's punishment, nonsense.
Come up with a better skin. Punishment. It can be
a part of coaching. We're playing, we're playing poorly, get
on the line and run some suicide. I get it,
(27:38):
they're grown in and it's a little different. But I'm saying,
a hard practice. The dudes coaching too hard. He substituted
all five quays you're talking down twenty you're talking about
to me because I substituted off all five players. Talking
about a hard product. If you're upset, If you're upset,
then play better. Your boy Martin here is with me too.
(27:59):
Mardinay with me with you? He a young millennial to him.
Noo that all these guys got a solved. There's That's
what I'm saying. No, but I disagree with the idea
that players can't push back. No, they can push back.
I'm just saying, in this instance, you got a six
and twenty two team, you got a bunch of players
who haven't done any type of winning in the NBA,
(28:20):
and a coach wants to have hard practices. There shouldn't
be there shouldn't be pushed back on that. Yeah, but
I think, man, the coach is substituting five players at
the time, it's because you're not doing you're not running
the game playing and you're down twenty. We gotta quote
from Alan Overson about this whole situation. And your favorite coach,
(28:42):
Larry brown On was notorious for hard practice, and he
also got talking about practice. Not all the time game,
not the game that I go out there and die
for and play every game like it's my last. Not
the game. We're talking about practice. Man. Which one of
those players on the let me let me go down
(29:03):
the list, Which one of them is Alan Iverson, Zach Levine,
uh Jabari Parker, Justin Holiday, Wendell Carter, Bobby Porters. Stop
me when when you find the woman the next Allen Iverson,
all the Santonio Blakeney, they have to say, Sequille Harrison.
They all did the same thing that none of them
won a championship like Iverson. So but Iverson was an
(29:25):
All Star, All NBA icon, I know he was. I
know who Alan Overson was. Why are you comparing Shaquille
Harrison to him? Now? All I'm saying is, don't always
side with the crazies. Always side with the crazy, crazy
coach just because he's authority. Figure. Those guys are wrong
a lot and they don't know what they're doing. Sometimes
(29:46):
to perfect anything to work, there has to be authority.
And you know what but Chris also and we run
of your old kid fresh out of college. We've never
won anything? Is it the author We've also had and
we've seen in life where people have made changes in
life by going against the grain and not following suits.
All I'm saying is, what's that got to do with this?
(30:09):
Because maybe they thought what he was doing and for
enough players, I'm not talking about when a team is
together in the Texans saying we should not go to
practice or whatever that that that's not usually a one
or two guys. That means that what the guy was
doing didn't fit with what they would used to be
in as far as twenty two, I'm talking about a
NA No. They Jack Levine played for Timbodou Timbodaux. I
(30:33):
don't I doubt this guy's coaching harder than Tibodeaux. And
Tibodeaux got success, he gets resolved. I just think you're
a slave to authority, that's what you. Please stop that
because you're the one that's mad at Lebron for bucking authority.
You think Lebron ruined the NBA by not being a
company man. You're waiting for this book
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