Brian Noe, Rich Ohrnberger, and Jared Smith talk Ohtani and OJ Simpson!

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
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Speaker 2 (00:04):
You know.

Speaker 3 (00:04):
I just good morning, too, fine gentlemen and everybody listening here.
I just realized something about myself that I'm not fond of.

Speaker 4 (00:12):
Here.

Speaker 5 (00:12):
Oh wow, self awareness on a Saturday.

Speaker 1 (00:15):
It's early in the morning to be like really really
self analyzing.

Speaker 3 (00:21):
So Isaaclohenpron just did his update. Yeah, and there's a
three way tie atop the leader board at the Masters,
And so I was doing a little I guess, in
round betting, in game betting. Yeah, but I went in
round betting and I went with Scotty Scheffler to be
the leader at the end of the second round. And

(00:44):
right before, as I'm hearing Ilo say there's a three
way tie atop the leader board, I thought to myself, Yeah,
that bum, Scottie Scheffler, who bogied, you know, on the
second nine to give up the one stroke lead. So
there's a three way tie, and you bay lose a
little bit with the the way the tiebreaker money goes.
And so the point is I'm thinking to myself, Yeah,

(01:06):
that bum, And I'm like, you know what, this is
my scorpio background shining through and through we hold grudges
and I'm curious. Do you guys hold betting grudges, because
that's not a good thing. You gotta dance with the
devil at times. Sometimes the team lets you down, you
get back on him again. Sometimes the player lets you down.

(01:27):
Same thing. Do you guys hold betting grudges the way
I do?

Speaker 1 (01:31):
Yeah, yeah, I absolutely do, And I'll tell you the
way I do it is probably opposite of the way
a lot of people do. So maybe it's the whole
glutton for punishment thing because I played a sport like football,
where you're literally slamming your head into people for a living,
and I don't know, as a kid, I loved it.

(01:52):
I was people are like, why would you want to
play offensive line? I'm like, they let me hit people
on every single play.

Speaker 2 (01:59):
So so when I have.

Speaker 1 (02:00):
Like so example, if I had I don't know, Tiger Woods,
you know, under seventy three and a half round two
in terms of strokes, Well, if it loses, I'm going
right back to it tomorrow.

Speaker 2 (02:18):
I'll prove them, you know what I mean.

Speaker 1 (02:21):
There's a little bit of that of me, you know,
and it doesn't you know, golf is probably a bad example.
It's probably more in you know, whatever props throughout, especially
recently the college basketball tournament. Things like that, like no, no,
I got a real feel for for clinging rebounds with
you come. Yeah, whatever it is, it's just you get

(02:43):
stuck a little bit and you just keep going back
to the well and.

Speaker 2 (02:46):
Well I'll show them.

Speaker 4 (02:48):
Yeah. Yeah, I'm a little bit like that too.

Speaker 2 (02:50):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (02:51):
I think stubbornness is not the right way to win
in gambling. I think you have to have what was it,
my friend?

Speaker 2 (02:57):
I wish you.

Speaker 5 (02:58):
If Jason Sidecus is listening, I'm about to use your
my favorite quote from your show, Ted Lasso, be a goldfish.

Speaker 2 (03:06):
You have to be a goldfish when you're gambling.

Speaker 5 (03:09):
If you're worried about what happened yesterday, you're letting now.

Speaker 2 (03:12):
Don't get me wrong, it's not easy to do.

Speaker 5 (03:15):
You've got to be like a Jedi ninja with like
playing mind tricks on yourself to like eliminate what you
just saw. But recency bias, I mean, it's just recncy bias,
Like it's really all it is. It's just our bodies,
our brains are baked for recency bias. Because and I'm
a Scorpio, one of my my rising sign I'm a
big into astrology, Brian. My rising sign is a scorpio

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as well, So I get the vindictive nature that you feel.

Speaker 2 (03:41):
I understand it.

Speaker 5 (03:43):
I relate to it, and you just have to figure
out a way to compartmentalize it or else you're I
always tell this, this is the best piece of advice I.

Speaker 2 (03:51):
Ever got from one of from a professional gambler.

Speaker 5 (03:53):
You said, if you let your next your last bet
affect your next bet, you're already losing.

Speaker 2 (04:00):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (04:00):
Yeah, no, it's right. And that's the thing is, I'll
just feel that like, ah, he let me down. But
the same is true, and you're right, Jared, it's recency
bias because it can work the other way too, where
you win a bet because of a team or a
player and you're like, you know what, I'm feeling good
about him today also, and you must maybe you shouldn't.

(04:21):
You shouldn't. It's you gotta be like a cornerback. I
like that, be like a goldfish. You gotta be like
an NFL cornerback. Short memory. If you get torched, right,
you can't let that affect your confidence. So yeah, no,
good stuff. So how about this show? Heyo Tani cleared
by the Feds. Holy cow saw this coming, right, Like,

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So we get the word from the FEDS that they
believe the former interpreter that is uh Misuhara, right, our guy,
Ipe miss Ujara. He stole more than sixteen million dollars
over a two year period from show Heyotan to pay
off his gambling debts to an illegal sports book. And

(05:05):
so this is all on epay. The FEDS are saying
Otani good to go. We went through his phone, We
went through his records. Not a text, not an email,
not a phone call, nothing discussing gambling. They're saying he
got taken for a ride. And this is mss Yuhara,
who is charged with bank fraud, who is facing a

(05:26):
maximum sentence of thirty years in the clink. Wow, it's
like okay, So all I know is that Major League
Baseball is like, okay, we're good here, right, Yeah, that
sounds great to us. Otani's fine, We're good. Onward and upward.
What do you guys make of this? Because to me,

(05:46):
Clifton notes version, nothing makes sense, nothing passes the smell test.
But if the FEDS are saying Otani's cleared, there's so
many skeptics out there like, yeah, okay, all right, at
least have to like have the door cracked, entertain the
idea that they're right and he was taken for a ride,

(06:07):
even though it's gonna be very hard for a lot
of people to buy.

Speaker 2 (06:10):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (06:11):
My my knee jerk reaction is I'm a little bit
of a skeptic. Less so less so the older I get,
because I think as you age, as you know, in
my case, I've retired from a career and I've moved
on to another, and I've had kids, and you know,
life hits you in waves as you meet new people

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and you lose some important people in your life. There's
a little bit of magic to life, right You never
you never really know what you're gonna get. It's a
lot like that that line from Forrest Gump.

Speaker 2 (06:43):
You know, life is like a box of chocolates.

Speaker 1 (06:46):
So it's possible that we have a superstar baseball player,
like the most famous baseball player on the planet, the
highest paid player to ever play the game, the new
Babe Ruth, like truly a once in a century player
who's also that could have baseball, but also one of

(07:08):
the most naive human beings you've ever heard of, Like
you know, this is the hay seed that falls off
of the the onion truck.

Speaker 2 (07:18):
On his way to the Big City.

Speaker 1 (07:19):
He goes, my goodness, New York City and somebody tries
to sell him the Brooklyn Bridge and he goes, well,
brook that bridge is off the big and where does
it go from and where does it connect to? And
it's just like, well, I'll buy it. You know, it's
it seems like, how the hell is this possible?

Speaker 2 (07:37):
Yeah? But is it? Is it possible?

Speaker 4 (07:41):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (07:42):
Yeah, it is.

Speaker 1 (07:43):
It's possible that that he got played. And it goes
back to something my grandfather used to tell me. You know,
you can fool everybody some of the time. You can
put fool some of the people all the time, but
you can't fool everybody all the time. And this guy,
it the Mitsuhara if if that's if that's what he was,

(08:04):
he was a con man. Well he fooled everybody for
some of the time and he finally got caught and
sho Hee Otani, unfortunately is that naive superstar who got
taken for a ride. And I guess I'm willing to
believe it, but there's a boy there is still a
part of me that's like, is this the whole story?

Speaker 5 (08:23):
Though it's definitely not the whole story. I think there's
absolutely more to the story. But when the Feds say that,
like the part that and credit bo Benz and our
producer kind of planted this seat in my head and
I asked a couple people and they kind of confirmed it.
The thing that really makes me believe what we're hearing

(08:44):
is why would the FEDS be protecting a Japanese citizen
who committed a felody? Like that's the part that I
can't get you right. So if we're saying, and I've
heard the conspiracy theory, oh Otani was the one betting
guys nineteen thousand way were placed, this guy was a
degenerate gambler. And I've seen it. I've seen degenerate gamblers.

(09:06):
I've lived it, I've witnessed it. They will do anything
to feed the addiction. Anything they don't care, they will
do it. So we have clearly established that this man
is a degenerate gambler.

Speaker 2 (09:20):
Bet MGM has accounts from him on shore.

Speaker 5 (09:23):
Accounts he's placed on shore, wagers he's placed offshore, He's
placed bets everywhere with Bookky's everywhere. So we've established and
this guy's a degenerate gambler and he's going to do
anything to get his fix. So now, if the conspiracy
is true, that means Otani's the one betting, which means
nineteen thousand wagers were placed, and there's not one paper trail,

(09:46):
not one text. They had Japanese interpreters go through Otani's
and Misarhawa's text message exchanges, ninety seven hundred pages of texts,
nineteen thousand bets, and Otani didn't slip up once and
text this guy what he wanted to.

Speaker 2 (10:03):
Bet like, that's the part.

Speaker 5 (10:05):
So again we are getting to a point now where
if the conspiracy is true, then not one slip up
was made over nineteen thousand bets and ninety seven under
pages of text messages. And oh, by the way, the
Dodgers are now colluding with the.

Speaker 2 (10:19):
FED, the US federal government to.

Speaker 5 (10:22):
Protect a Japanese citizen from a felony obstruction of justice.
That is a hard, hard stretch for me to believe
that conspiracy theory. Okham's raiser is the simplest answer usually
is the correct one. The simplest answer here, this guy
Mizaharr was degenerate, and he would do anything, anything, anything,

(10:43):
anything to feed the addiction.

Speaker 2 (10:45):
And he did and eventually he got caught.

Speaker 3 (10:47):
Well yeah, I mean that could be the reality that
the thing that this is almost like tennis in your mind,
you know what I mean, where it's like one side
dude and the other the old Kenny mad thing.

Speaker 2 (10:59):
Dude, dude, dude.

Speaker 3 (11:00):
Right, Like, on one hand, I have a hard time
believing Otani just didn't know anything. He just he never
checked his bank account for two years. I guess it's possible,
but that it's just hard to believe he's just totally
in the dark, Like, oh news to be sixteen million dollars,
nineteen thousand bets and this I never knew anything. It's

(11:24):
hard to believe that. But if you if you think
about the other side of this. I'm trying to say this,
just because everything doesn't make sense doesn't mean something is
radically wrong. You're right, like the FEDS have the wrong conclusion.
Just because not everything adds up. It also doesn't add

(11:44):
up to me that the book maker, when this was
starting to go down, right, they're on the epay, something's
going wrong here. He communicated with the book maker and
the book maker was like, obviously it didn't steal from
him him, and Ebe was like, actually I kind of didn't. Yeah,
But the point is the book maker was like, obviously

(12:06):
you didn't steal from him. So my question is, how
did this guy ibe miss Ujara, get get credited, right,
get cleared to bet the amounts that he was betting
when he doesn't have the bank roll to pay it off.

Speaker 2 (12:23):
Right.

Speaker 3 (12:23):
If the book maker's like, you didn't steal from that guy,
my question is how was he cleared to begin with
to be like, yeah, go ahead and bet one hundred
and sixty thousand dollars a pop if you feel like it.
If like, what was the conversation, Hey, I'm just stealing
from Otani. It's all good, I'll pay you right, That
probably wasn't the conversation. That part doesn't make sense. But

(12:44):
my conclusion is just because not everything makes sense doesn't
mean we're in full conspiracy theory mode and their findings
are completely off base. It doesn't have to make perfect
sense for their conclusions to actually be accurate.

Speaker 2 (12:59):
Well, ignorance is bliss.

Speaker 1 (13:01):
It's i you know, And for Otani, you know, maybe
he's the type of guy who says, I'm gonna keep
my life as simple as possible. I'm gonna trust very
few people. I'm only gonna rely on the people that
I absolutely need to rely on, which includes his now wife,
his interpreter, maybe some of the coaches who he can

(13:21):
communicate with, whether it be in his foreign language or
in English what English he knows, and so he has
a tight circle. And then on top of that, he says,
and I'm gonna only gonna worry about one thing at
a time, and right now that's baseball. Maybe he's got,
you know, his money invested super conservatively, and he's making

(13:46):
enough an endorsement so that he doesn't have to worry about,
you know, a relatively low salary considering how famous he was,
because he's making money off of brand relationships and things
like that. Because if you go and you look just
his career earnings, it's pretty hard to believe that he
wouldn't notice sixteen million dollars missing, because granted it's still

(14:09):
a lot of money, but over the course of his
career to date or prior to signing the contract with
the Dodgers, he's earned like forty four million dollars. So
in this country, that sounds like a lot of money,
and it is. But after taxes are taken away and
Uncle Sam takes a hefty chunk, we're talking about something
hovering in the range of twenty twenty one million dollars net.

(14:33):
So that means he didn't notice most of his money
that he's earned over the course of his entire Major
League Baseball playing career gone, you know. And again I'm
only talking about his earnings in the MLB. I'm not
talking about what he's earned in Japan. Yeah, as a
pro prior to coming over to the United States. But
but then you got to throw in all the layers

(14:54):
of complexity, you know, if he's really fiercely trusting Ibe
Mitsuhara to be his conduit to everything. Like in the
the article I read yesterday, it was talking about how
Ipe Mitsuhara.

Speaker 2 (15:08):
Opened up all of his bank accounts. Yep, he was.

Speaker 1 (15:11):
He was who show Hey went to to make transfers
and to take money out and to communicate with the bank,
and sometimes Ipe Mitzuhara. In fact, I would say most
of the time the interpreter would speak to the bank
on his own volition, and he would pretend that Shohy
was with him, and he was interpreting his wishes to

(15:34):
the bank tellers over the phone. I mean again, it
goes back to what I was saying before. You can
fool everybody, but you can only fool everybody for some
of the time. And if we're going to be led
to believe that this is true, well it means that
this con man and this degenerate gambler, as you put it, Jared,

(15:55):
he was able to fool everybody for at very least
the six years that.

Speaker 4 (16:00):
He was working with Showy.

Speaker 2 (16:01):
Oh, Tommy, Yeah, let me clear up some things, Brian.

Speaker 5 (16:04):
I think you mentioned it. How can someone go on credit?
I think if the credit is established. Now, this is
how bookies work, especially this bookie who's a big time bookie.
If you establish a relationship with a bookie, you can
roll on credit for a pretty long time. And you
could pay him here and pay him a little bit there,
and I'm gonna pay off And I'm sure it was
an ongoing conversation.

Speaker 2 (16:26):
Hey, you owe me this, all right, I'll give you
a little bit here, all right. I can't give you this.

Speaker 5 (16:29):
And I'm sure just like he conned show Hey, he
conned this bookie out of not paying him when he.

Speaker 2 (16:35):
Was supposed to pay him.

Speaker 5 (16:36):
The credit situation with these local bookies can be a
little bit weird, and he might have thought it was
show hey bettet because again the confusion with the text messages.

Speaker 2 (16:44):
I think this book he might have thought show he
was the one involved in some of the action.

Speaker 5 (16:47):
Again, this is speculation, but that's just how someone with
no money can rack up this much debt in gambling.
It's not like he's going to the ATM, dropping it
on the table and then buying chips.

Speaker 2 (16:57):
From the casino.

Speaker 5 (16:58):
It is a credit system that much aside the bank
account that the money came from. Again, this is reporting
from front office Sports.

Speaker 2 (17:05):
Really good job. They did a good job detailing this.

Speaker 5 (17:08):
The bank account that the money got transferred to the
bookie from was his angel's salary account that Mizuhara set
up and on multiple occasions had conversations with the bank
and of course duping the bank into thinking that Misahara
was Otani or vice versa. He was translating either way,
It's not that hard of a stretch to think that

(17:29):
this guy had access to everything. He was literally Otani's
link between him and the public, so everything that came
from the public sphere.

Speaker 2 (17:39):
You get a bank statement, you get anything, anything in
the public world. This guy was connected to Otani so closely.

Speaker 5 (17:47):
It's really not that hard of a stretch for me
to think that he had access to literally everything, and
that is dangerous because of just how low of a
person he was willing to.

Speaker 2 (17:58):
Con his way through.

Speaker 5 (18:00):
Basically, So, I honestly think a lot of the details
that a lot of people are skeptical about, if you
understand the way the gambling sphere kind of operates with
credit and bookies and transferring money that is not quite
upfront money it's later on, I think a lot of
it does make sense.

Speaker 2 (18:18):
Guys. Honestly, it really does kind of close the door for.

Speaker 5 (18:22):
Me on this and I'm ready to move on and
hopefully Showy has a fantastic Geary Homeward last night, which
was great to see after all this. But I do
think this story does make sense as long as you're
able to kind of remove that skepticism.

Speaker 2 (18:35):
All right.

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Saturday right here on Fox Sports Radio. So earlier this week,
OJ Simpson passed away at seventy six years old. He

(20:18):
was undergoing cancer treatment. Family announced this on Wednesday, and
hook man, I don't even know most of this stuff.
I don't even know how to put into words right,
just the amount of the fame, Like there are a
lot of people that are younger that don't really grasp

(20:38):
how famous.

Speaker 2 (20:39):
This dude was.

Speaker 3 (20:41):
And then for him to be accused and in my opinion,
guilty of what he was accused about in the double
murder was freaking shocking. I did a fill in show
for Ben Maller a couple of nights ago, and Eddie
Garcia had a really interesting comparison where it's like he's
trying to think of a modern day figure that was

(21:02):
comparable to the fame of OJ and nothing more, nothing less,
And he came up with Shack, which I thought was
pretty interesting. Where you know, a famous athlete, you know,
highly successful, won championships, right like very well known, and
then after his basketball career in movies, in music, right

(21:26):
in the public eye doing inside the End NBA on TNT,
and like if that guy was accused of what OJ
was accused of, and then had the slow police chase
that ninety five million people watched it of Ford Bronco,
you know what I mean, Like it was just blow
your mind type stuff. That is the first part of it.

(21:47):
The rise and fall of OJ Simpson. Now that he's
passed away at seventy six years old, Yeah.

Speaker 1 (21:54):
I think that's a pretty decent comparison, But I mean
his cultural relevance dwarfs that of Shacks because of all
of the different things that the second half of his
life welcomed into the conversation, and albeit in infamy because

(22:17):
he was you know, obviously found acquitted of the charges
of murder against his ex wife and Ron Goldman, but
then lost the civil suit and then spent jail time
in the Vegas you know, planned or conspired robbery. You know,
it's like there were so many things. But I mean, Oj,

(22:41):
for a time, Okay, not even for a time. OJ
was one of the best football players to ever walk
planet Earth. So in the late sixties in college, he
was one of the most dominant running backs we've ever seen,
called football Hall of Famer, and then when he went
to the pros, he was one of the most dominant

(23:01):
running backs we've ever seen. He had a two thousand
rushing yard in seventy three, which won.

Speaker 2 (23:07):
Of the MVP.

Speaker 4 (23:09):
He's a Pro Football Hall of Famer.

Speaker 1 (23:12):
He's an incredible football player, and then played for a
very very long time in the league before seamlessly transitioning
into a broadcast career, seamlessly transitioning from there into a
movie career where he was a budding superstar.

Speaker 4 (23:28):
I mean he was going to be the terminator.

Speaker 1 (23:31):
He turned down the terminator before Arnold Schwarzenegger was offered it. Okay,
that's how big of a superstar that OJ Simpson was.
He had the sort of clout that James Cameron came
to him first before he was like let me find Arnold.

(23:51):
Then of course the trial, the low speed chase, the
White Bronco, all of the things that follow Oh that
I mean, it was one of the most controversial moments
in American modern society when that verdict came down from
Judge Edo. This man may be arguably the most the

(24:16):
most culturally relevant human being to have ever lived from
birth to death. If you asked anybody in this country
for about a fifty year span, who's oj Simpson, they
knew who you were talking about.

Speaker 5 (24:32):
Yeah, this is so bittersweet feelings, like I'm not the
Lord and Savior, Like it's not my job to judge
people as they as they die. Obviously, I do think
he's guilty of that crime back, you know, the double murder.
I think most average people, you know, with brains do.

Speaker 2 (24:50):
The later on life stuff.

Speaker 5 (24:53):
Was interesting because he's kind of like, he's kind of
a Vegas guy, Like that's kind of how he ended
his life. I have a friend who works at one
of the country clubs here in town. She actually served
him multiple occasions, and you know, he plays golf every day,
he goes to the local bars. He's a big obviously
football fan, and Bill's fan and supporter. Still he goes

(25:16):
there's a lot of Buffalo support here in town. Naked
City Pizza, and there's some other local buffalo bars. He
used to go to the buffalo bars and like watch
the games. Like he was spotted in like local dive bars.
He's hanging out at this hotel. He's playing at you know.

Speaker 2 (25:32):
Red Rock Country Club, which is a public golf course.

Speaker 5 (25:36):
So it's kind of like he ended his life I
think in a quiet, peaceful way, and I don't want
to get into the stuff that happened before.

Speaker 2 (25:45):
I agree.

Speaker 5 (25:45):
The ninety four the Bronco Chase. I remember the documentary
because it was in the time that the Knicks and
the Rockets were in the NBA Finals, and I remember
them telling the story about people were literally in the
mezzanine of the garden not even watching the Knicks in
the NBA Finals. Wow, to watch the TVs of the

(26:07):
chase like that is how impacted. Like the Knicks in
the finals. It was like fifty years, it was the seventies,
whenever it was, it was a long time. So the
Knicks were in the finals and people were like, Nah,
that's good, I'm not gonna watch the Knicks, Va Sachem
and director, I'm gonna go watch I'm gonna go watch
you know oj in a in a car chase. Like
that's how impactful it was culturally to put that in perspective.

(26:29):
But again the later stuff like he he was kind
of a friend to a lot of people here in town.
So it's a weird story and we wish his family
the best, of course, but bittersweet feelings, I would say,
is the word I would use.

Speaker 3 (26:42):
Well, it's a good uh message at the end there, Jared,
where I think a lot of times, uh, we forget
about the family. Yeah, right, Like we just completely forget
about them. And it's it becomes complex real fast because
it's like I can almost hear the like the retorts,

(27:02):
you know I can. It's like, oh, so we're talking
about Ojay's family, what about the Goldman family?

Speaker 4 (27:08):
Sure?

Speaker 3 (27:08):
You know what about And it becomes like that and
it's like, Okay, you can't say everything at once, you
know what I mean. And that's where it becomes really
tricky to navigate through. There's another layer here, a lack
of acknowledgment. We're gonna get to. I've got another layer
on the oj thing that we'll push back because I
know us, being the gas bags we are, we're just

(27:29):
gonna blabber and blabber. The clock is going to be destroyed.

Speaker 2 (27:33):
So cooking up a parlay, you guys, just do your thing.

Speaker 3 (27:37):
Let me throw this at you. The attendees at the
twenty twenty four NFL Draft, only thirteen. Only thirteen player
is going to be there live in person to get
the bear hug from Roger Goodell will probably have what
seems to be the top three picks, at least the
top three quarterbacks. While I'll be there Caleb Williams, Jayden Daniels,
Drake May I'll be there in the flesh. But just

(28:01):
down to thirteen. It was seventeen attendees last year in
Kansas City. It's the lowest marks in twenty twenty one,
and that was right after the pandemic when there were
thirteen players that year as well. I say this, man,
you've earned this day. You want to be there in person, Great,
you want to be there with your family at the
house party.

Speaker 4 (28:18):
Great.

Speaker 3 (28:19):
You want to be fishing with your dad like Joe
Thomas like a while ago. Great, You've earned this. Whatever
you want to do, knock yourself out is the way
I see it.

Speaker 1 (28:28):
Yeah, yeah, No, you're one hundred percent right. And I'll
take it a step further and say, go get you
the bag before you get the bag. So a lot
of these players they don't need the NFL to help
them market themselves. They're famous on their way out of college.
They've made a lot of money in nil deals. They
know how to market themselves already. They probably have a
marketing manager who has been handling name, image and likeness

(28:52):
deals for years now, and so as a result of that,
they get to control their own image. If they're broadcasting
from home in their own environment, they also get to
put up different brands.

Speaker 5 (29:05):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (29:06):
I'm you know, I'm sure they're gonna be wearing T
shirts and hats and maybe drinking certain beverages. And if
the NFL wants to videotape them in their in their
living room, they're gonna have to let them have, you know,
their energy drink of choice sitting on the coffee table
or their baseball cap of choice sitting on their head.

(29:26):
Every time, every time we're looking at Drake may or
Kayleb Williams or whoever it is that's not gonna be
attending the draft.

Speaker 2 (29:33):
All right, now we go live to Nashville.

Speaker 1 (29:35):
Tennessee, where you know, player X is sitting there having
a sip of a Bang Energy drink or whatever.

Speaker 2 (29:43):
You know what I mean.

Speaker 1 (29:43):
So it's gonna be it's gonna be that these guys
are going to cash in on some of their brand deals.
Whereas the NFL this is just a marketing tool, and
we've all been convinced that it's a super important moment
for the NFL. We're in actuality, it's not like, yes,
it's important for the upcoming season, and yes, there's a

(30:05):
lot of interest in Hey, is my team gonna select
that quarterback I was hoping that they were going to take.
Is my team going to trade up and get the
receiver that we're hoping that this team trades up and gets. Yeah,
I mean those things are important, But in actuality, none
of these players are doing anything on draft Day. They've
already finished their college football career. They're months away from

(30:25):
playing a single snap in the NFL that actually matters.
So this is just a marketing tool for the league.
So if the league wants higher attendance at the draft
wherever they're going to have it, they better start paying
the players.

Speaker 4 (30:38):
Who they want to attend at the draft.

Speaker 5 (30:42):
Yeah, I think this is a night where these kids
just should be able to do whatever they want, Like
if they want to go to the draft, that they
want to sit front row and you know, shake Goodell's
hand and like let them read the card for crying
out loud. Like I didn't get these kids as much
as much positive reinforcement as possible, because let's be honest,
the second they walk across the stage and give Gidella

(31:05):
hug and then walk to the other side and start
doing all the media, that's where the job begins. The
job starts draft night. Like I remember my last night
in college before I graduated. It was I don't even
really remember it, frankly, so I don't know why. I
just like to you, I don't remember it because it

(31:26):
was the last night before I left the world and
started an internship down in Atlantic City at one of
the radioffiliates down there and started my life.

Speaker 4 (31:32):
So that was it.

Speaker 5 (31:34):
Like, give these kids whatever they want, whatever they want
to do, full full rain, and if they want to
do it at home with Joe Thomas and go fishing,
I think that's totally fine.

Speaker 3 (31:43):
I wonder what he caught that day. Now they think
about it. Yeah, get a breakdown of he caught seven crappie.
You know, some blue gill here there. I thought, Yeah,
that's a sunfisher.

Speaker 4 (31:54):
Gotta love that.

Speaker 3 (31:55):
It's freaking sunfish out of nowhere. All right, We've got
rich oron Berger Penn State, all American jer It's Smith
FSR betting analyst. I'm Brian No coming up next the
parlay platter. You might say, Man, college hoops is done.
No NBA today at all. Nothing Masters that's going on.
Maybe a little UFL to spruce, but I'd be interested.

Speaker 2 (32:17):
We'll find out some handicaps from you.

Speaker 3 (32:19):
Yeah. Hey, I'm not deep in that game just yet,
but all right, you know you'll get there. We'll get
there with Jared Smith in the parlay platter. Coming up
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right after we get off the year. All right, let's
do this, check this out late. Okay, Jared, you are
in full Masters mode here with the parlay. I'm curious

(33:04):
how you're gonna lay this one out.

Speaker 2 (33:05):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (33:06):
Well again, golf is a bit of a different betting experience.
I like your approach betting it live. I would have
been probably betting Scheffler if I was near my computer
yesterday and not, you know, at one of the local
watering holes enjoying the Masters. I probably would have been
at my computer hammering Scottie Scheffler live multiple times throughout

(33:26):
the day as it was becoming more and more obvious
that he was gonna be the leader heading into the weekend.
But I think the matchups is where I do find value.
I think the outrights are just dark throws. I think
the finishing position bets right, top five, top ten, top twenty,
those can be a struggle to although I love betting
in at bet MGM because they pay out ties in full.

Speaker 4 (33:47):
Not all sportsbooks do that.

Speaker 5 (33:48):
But I think the individual round matchups are fascinating to me.
So we've got two of them today, We're gonna pop
them both into parlay and we'll keep you on.

Speaker 2 (33:56):
Your merry way.

Speaker 5 (33:57):
The first one, Shane Lowry against I'm not even out
of say this guy's name, Akshay Batia. Shane Lowry, in
my opinion, is like the most undervalue golfer every week.
This guy has no weaknesses in his game, and he's
very overlooked. Maybe it's the fact that he's a little porky,
maybe it's the fact that he's international. I don't know,
but this guy's price is always undervalued. He's minus won

(34:19):
twenty today to.

Speaker 2 (34:20):
Be Akshay Batilla in a matchup.

Speaker 5 (34:23):
It starts in about, oh about two hours, so you
got two hours to get this bed in, so it'll
put Shane Lowry minus went twenty in first leg.

Speaker 2 (34:29):
Of the parlay, second leg of the parlay. You guys
might not like this.

Speaker 5 (34:33):
My inner child hates this, but we've got to go
where the money thinks we need to go. We're gonna
fade Tiger Woods today in a matchup against Terrell Hatton.

Speaker 3 (34:41):
And I don't love Terrell Hatton.

Speaker 5 (34:43):
The dude is like a volatile you know, water spickett
waiting to explode on the golf course. But Tiger Woods
had to play twenty three holes yesterday in really tough conditions.

Speaker 2 (34:53):
He survived, his body made it through. He's playing the weekend.

Speaker 5 (34:58):
This is where I think the age and the physical
limitations he has starts to take its toll now that
we're getting into the thirty six holes and beyond with
his body. So as much as I want to hope
that he's gonna compete and he's gonna be around this weekend,
I we're gonna see Sunday red Tiger. I think this
is gonna be a tough round for him. Conditions are better,

(35:19):
but I think Terrell Hatton is going to pull off
the win in their individual round matchup. Terrell hatt and
Shane Lowry both to win their matchups at bet MGM.
The parlay is plus two twenty four. Not our juiciest
but again Saturday morning, no NBA. Let's just kind of
coast through the weekend here, right, Yeah, yeah, I.

Speaker 4 (35:36):
Like this this weekend.

Speaker 1 (35:37):
I've never really placed any bets on golf before. Okay,
but but I but I just started with the Masters
and it's fun. You know, got a couple of wagers.
It's a It's not as heavy of a sweat as
it is when you're placing player props in an NBA
or a college basketball game, you're just kind.

Speaker 4 (35:57):
Of cruising through you I mean your game, Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 1 (36:02):
Yeah, you kind of check the It's almost like you
check the scores when you remember to, you know, as
opposed to sitting down and watching a game or you
know some of those uh no, what we call him
the no runs first Oh yeah, first pitch, you're like high,
like just sweating out your.

Speaker 4 (36:19):
Pores the first pitch.

Speaker 2 (36:21):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, all one, I'm like, oh, we're losing.
That's over.

Speaker 4 (36:25):
Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (36:25):
I like I like that.

Speaker 4 (36:26):
I like those those choices. I like the explanation.

Speaker 2 (36:29):
Also, I do like that.

Speaker 3 (36:31):
Listen, some recreational betters, they they want to bet for
who they're rooting for, yes, and that's why I'm getting yeah,
but I like it, Like that's why a lot of
people bet overs, Yeah, regardless of the sport. Is like
I want to root for runs or points or I
don't want to root for a lack of that, But

(36:51):
that might be the better side, that might be the
better angle. And I get that you don't want to
root against tiger woods. But if you see value. And
he played twenty three holes and he's got an older body. Now, yeah,
there's there's value in fading Tiger, even though you don't
want to root for that.

Speaker 5 (37:06):
Here's the under strategy, guys, here's why people like to
bet unders that are really sharp. You're ahead when the
game starts. Yeah, yeah, you're not behind when you're betting
and over you're behind. The second the game starts, you're
already behind. You need to make up ground the under
you're ahead.

Speaker 3 (37:22):
Yeah, No, it makes all the sense in the world. Hey,
coming up next, this is a great achievement, but it
wouldn't be viewed the same way without major success. Oh,
we got the third round of the Masters coming up
today and shout out to Tiger Woods made his twenty
fourth consecutive cut at the Masters. That is the most ever.

(37:47):
And I just got to think we're in such an
all or nothing. We have this all or nothing mentality
in sports, and I don't know, for whatever reason, I thought,
how would this be viewed if Tiger Woods didn't have
fifteen majors on his resume?

Speaker 2 (38:06):
You know what I mean?

Speaker 3 (38:06):
If Tiger Woods, let's say he's got one or two majors. Yeah,
and he just made his twenty fourth consecutive cut at
the Masters, it would be viewed at much more negatively,
where it's like, Okay, it's great, but where are the
major wins man? This guy keeps coming up short when
it really matters. He's good the first two days, but

(38:28):
not the last two days, right, Like, it's just interesting,
how if you have major success. No pun intended, right
with Tiger having fifteen majors, so for him to make
twenty four consecutive cuts, it's like, Wow, that's amazing. It
would be viewed totally differently if he had two majors,

(38:49):
and that's weird to me. I get it, But I
think sometimes the all or nothing mentality it can get
us away from the truth. It gets us to like
the way we we view the Atlanta Braves where they're
making it, they're winning the division, they're winning all these
games in the nineties, and it's like, yeah, you won
one World Series. And I'm not saying that's completely wrong,

(39:10):
but I think there are times where it gets us
away from the truth. I'll throw one other example at you,
John Calipari at Kentucky. A lot of people will look
at it and say he failed it was disappointing, so
forth and so on, And there's a leg to stand
on if you think that. But let's not reduce what
he did to nothing. To win a championship, to get

(39:33):
to four final fours, that's something. It's more than nothing.
So this idea of all or nothing, I think there
are a lot of times that it gets us away
from being accurate about an athlete, a coach, a team,
what have you.

Speaker 2 (39:50):
Yeah, but that's being close to great isn't great?

Speaker 4 (39:55):
You know what I mean?

Speaker 1 (39:56):
Or close to being a champion? Isn't a champion? You know,
life gets a little bit easier when we start talking
about champions because it's a much shorter list. When we
start talking about you know, the number one on the list,
and it's a statistical category and there's no arguing that point.
Like who's made the most three pointers ever in the NBA?

(40:17):
You know, who's the leading point scorer in the NBA.
Who's got the most passing yards in the NFL, who's
got the most touchdown throws in the NFL?

Speaker 2 (40:27):
Like you know what I mean?

Speaker 4 (40:28):
Like, ultimately, I think I think as human beings, we
just work.

Speaker 1 (40:33):
We just work better with facts, like stationary facts Tiger
making twenty four cuts is very cool, especially consecutively, especially
at that tournament.

Speaker 4 (40:43):
It's amazing.

Speaker 1 (40:44):
That's a really challenging place to play, and it speaks
to his longevity and his reign over this sport. And
we know all it says about Tiger, but you're absolutely right.
If it weren't for all of the major victories, especially
the victories at the Masters, it would be less impressive
to all of us, and it kind of should be.

Speaker 2 (41:04):
You know.

Speaker 1 (41:04):
Look, you know, when somebody kicks a ball towards a
goal in soccer, or somebody shoots a three pointer, we
don't give them credit for almost getting it in the
goal or almost getting in the hoop. We don't give
a kicker credit for hitting the upright. You gotta get
that sucker through.

Speaker 2 (41:25):
We gotta get that, you know what I mean?

Speaker 1 (41:27):
Like we need, we need completion of the task and
being a champion, Like would Steph Curry be heralded as
one of the greatest of all time if he wasn't
a three time NBA champion.

Speaker 2 (41:39):
No, we wouldn't.

Speaker 1 (41:40):
He would just be a really amazing three point shooter
who never was able to help shepherd.

Speaker 2 (41:46):
His team to the Promised Land.

Speaker 1 (41:47):
So it's it's look wins and championships and accomplishments and
setting goals in achieving goals. It's a part of the
human condition that we're all striving towards something. And that's
why sports are amazing because you get to see that
happen in a realm that many of us hung up.

Speaker 2 (42:08):
You know, the the cleats or the or the basketball
shoes or.

Speaker 4 (42:13):
You know, maybe not the golf clubs.

Speaker 1 (42:15):
A lot of people do that for leisure, but you
understand what I'm saying, like, and we get to watch
people actually do those things for a living and live
those dreams. And essentially what everybody wanted to do when
they were a part of a team or playing a
sport is hoist a trophy or be on the top
of that platform when the awards ceremony began.

Speaker 5 (42:35):
Yeah, golf is probably one of my favorite sports to
watch because of the mental grind that it is. Like,
it's there's very few sports that are individual Tennis, boxing,
sports like that, right, mostly Olympic sports, and the individual
nature to golf makes it the most unique, I think

(42:57):
of the American major sports. Right, I think tennis has
kind of lost its luster a little bit. Boxing is
completely falling off the map. You throw UFC in there,
big UFC card today. I think the between the ears
element to golf makes it the hardest. I always say
the hardest thing to do in sports is to hit

(43:18):
a baseball coming at you ninety miles an hour, ninety five,
one hundred with a round bat, hitting a round ball.

Speaker 2 (43:24):
I think the.

Speaker 5 (43:25):
Second hardest thing to do in sports is hit a
golf ball long and straight consistently.

Speaker 2 (43:29):
But because of the team.

Speaker 5 (43:32):
Element to baseball, it's not all on you, right, Like
if Mike Trout strikes out, even though that's a bad example,
showey Atani strikes out, there's you know, Freddy Freeman behind him.
Whereas in golf, if you strike out like that's it,
there's no one behind you.

Speaker 2 (43:44):
You are going home. So I think that's the part
about Tiger that is the most impressive. The physical stuff.

Speaker 5 (43:50):
Listen, all of these guys can play, they all can shoot,
they all can pot, they all can hit the ball
three hundred and fifty yards down, you know, down a
narrow fairway. The difference that is what makes Tiger Woods
greater than the rest is how he approached the game. Mentally,
and I think that is why he will always be
in every tournament that he's competing in. I just think physically,

(44:15):
over the course of seventy two holes is where he really,
you know, struggles now. So I think the Masters is
the only major that he ever could win again. And listen,
Jack wanted it what forty six. I think there's a
chance that he wins another Masters. It's a long shot,
and obviously the odds reflect that. But Tiger's mentality is
what makes him great, and that's what frankly the only

(44:36):
reason why he could still compete is because of that mentality.

Speaker 2 (44:39):
Well, I think this.

Speaker 3 (44:40):
I think that when an accomplishment isn't viewed as such,
that's a problem and it's unfortunate when that happens. So,
for instance, let's take Tiger Woods. He's made twenty four
consecutive cuts at the Masters. Everybody would agree that's an accomplishment.
It's never been done before, no one's ever done that,

(45:01):
So that's an accomplishment. If Tiger Woods has one or
two majors, we're not viewing it that way, and to me,
that's a shame. It's still an accomplishment, but you have
to have that major success for it to be viewed
that way. And I get some of that, but sometimes
it's just unfortunate. I'll give you another example. Look at
Lebron James. So we always compare to Michael Jordan. We're

(45:23):
not gonna do a full blown tail to the tape.
I could do that, but mj was six and zero
in the finals. Lebron is four and six. Okay, Now
getting to the finals is an accomplishment. I'm not saying
that should be the main focus of a conversation, but
when you go in your first trip to the finals

(45:43):
and you're dragging Booby Gibson and big Z there and
you got smacked around against the Spurs, but they've got
Duncan Janobli Parker, who's unfair.

Speaker 2 (45:53):
It was a.

Speaker 3 (45:54):
Mismatch, But we don't view Lebron getting there as an accomplishment.
To me, that's a shame. That's not the same as
hitting the upright or coming close to hitting that three
in it rims out. You took a team to the
finals all the way through the Eastern Conference when you
didn't have a stacked roster at all. I just don't

(46:18):
like when those accomplishments are completely overlooked. And I'm not
saying we can't be unsatisfied and say, well, you gotta
close the deal, you gotta win it all. I get that.
But when there are accomplishments that aren't on the level
of winning a championship or winning a major or whatever,
I don't think the accomplishment that's a little bit less

(46:40):
than that should be completely dismissed and we give it
the Heisman pos and it's all or nothing. Baby, I
don't want to hear about you coming close. Don't bother
me with this all I almost got it that. No,
you better freaking get it done or no credit whatsoever.
I think that mentality is wrong.

Speaker 1 (46:56):
Yeah, I don't disagree. Look, coming from that NFL well,
playing six years and being on playoff teams four of them,
I can speak to you about how difficult it is
to make it there. We were back to back to
back playoff teams in New England from the year I
was drafted into the year I left. One of those years,
we went all the way to the Super Bowl. After that,

(47:17):
I went to the Arizona Cardinals and I had a
five win season, and man, so you get to see
what it's like when you're at the highest level in
football and you get to see what it's like when
you're at the lowest. And then when I moved over
to the Chargers as a free agent, twenty thirteen was
a playoff season and twenty fourteen wasn't. And there's a

(47:38):
stark difference between the way the locker room feels the
way the team feels, you know, when you're on a winner,
and when you're on a loser, a team that at
some point in the season you realize, oh geez, it's
over for us.

Speaker 2 (47:52):
It's awful, And the reality is the sting.

Speaker 1 (47:58):
It actually stings more when you get closer to the
championship than you fail, when you're on the doorstep of
greatness and you stumble just before you get the Super
Bowl ring. Like the season that I remember the most
is a twenty eleven season when we almost beat the
Giants in the Super Bowl.

Speaker 4 (48:18):
It like it's it's awful, you know, And I.

Speaker 1 (48:21):
Think a lot of people can can associate with that
feeling of like almost getting what they wanted and just
falling a little bit short. And that's the reason why
we celebrate champions because they're doing there, they're setting a
goal in there achieving the goal, and that's what we
all strive towards. So I understand what you're saying, and
I don't think it should be lost on anybody how

(48:41):
difficult it is to even become a professional golfer, or
to consistently make cuts on tour, not just that Masters,
but on tour, it means you're one of the best,
say two hundred golfers on.

Speaker 2 (48:54):
The planet, and that's saying a lot. Or to even
play in the NFL at any given.

Speaker 1 (48:59):
Moment, you know you're one of the best two thousand
players on the planet, or in the NBA or what
have you. Or to bring a team like Lebron James did,
really on his own volition, all the way to a final.
It's it's insane, it's an incredible accomplishment. But at the
same token, like Tom Brady, he was in the AFC

(49:21):
Championship Game every other year of his career. He played
twenty two years. I think he went to when it
was all said and done, eleven conference championship games. I
would have to have one of you check the math
on that, but I think that's the number over the.

Speaker 4 (49:37):
Course of that career.

Speaker 1 (49:38):
If he didn't win a single one of those conference
championship games. We would ultimately look at Tom Brady like
there was something wrong, you know.

Speaker 2 (49:47):
We would don't get me.

Speaker 1 (49:48):
Wrong, like it's incredible getting to a championship game year
after year after year. But ultimately we would say, okay,
but why did he never get to a super Bow?
You know, why why didn't he ever get his team
over that hump to the super Bowl. It would be confounding,
it would be strange. We would remember him very differently.

(50:10):
Everybody would talk about Tom Brady very differently.

Speaker 2 (50:13):
Yeah, I like that Patriots example the best, Brian, and
I agree with you. I think we do.

Speaker 5 (50:18):
Like, don't get me wrong, champions should be celebrated, but
there's a lot of other greatness that is involved in
sports that gets brushed aside because it's like, well, they
didn't win, you know. And I think us as like,
you know, the armchair quarterback sitting in our you know,
on our couches in our living rooms.

Speaker 2 (50:36):
It's easy for us to just pooh pooh the people
who didn't win.

Speaker 5 (50:39):
But just as much hard work and effort blotzwoot and
tears goes into that the Patriots rich, the Patriots team
and you weren't on this team, right, You were on
the one that lost to the Giants a second time,
not the first one. That was the undefeated great team, Right,
That wasn't the team you were on, That Patriots team,
the seven team. I think it was That Patriots team

(50:59):
I think is the best example of why greatness that
doesn't win a championship.

Speaker 2 (51:06):
Really deserves to be celebrated.

Speaker 5 (51:08):
That Patriots team was unfreaking real and they ran into
you know, that's any given Sunday, right, Like, they ran
into the worst matchup possible, and they played their worst.

Speaker 2 (51:21):
Game of the season in their biggest game.

Speaker 5 (51:23):
And so unfortunately they will be pushed aside from the
greatness category because they weren't able to win the super Bowl.
But let's be honest, if a couple of bounces go
their way in that game and they're able to win
a very close game, they are the greatest team of
all time period.

Speaker 2 (51:40):
End of story.

Speaker 5 (51:41):
We're done with the discussion that Patriots team's the best
team that's ever played the NFL.

Speaker 2 (51:45):
So and they're not. They're never going to be because
they didn't win the big game.

Speaker 5 (51:50):
But that doesn't take away the other what twenty one
games they played throughout the regular season in playoffs.

Speaker 2 (51:56):
Where they were unfreaking real.

Speaker 5 (51:58):
I think it was twenty because there's right, there was
a h There wasn't an eighteen game seas or seventeen
game season back then. But you get the point, like
they were unbelievable for four and a half months and
then for three hours they weren't, and now we're gonna
pooh pooh the last four and a half months, like
it's it's a hard pill to swallow.

Speaker 2 (52:15):
That is the agony of defeat, and.

Speaker 3 (52:19):
Right, it's funny timing that agony of defeat was the last.

Speaker 2 (52:29):
Before.

Speaker 3 (52:32):
You know, it depends how you look at that, rich
That could be perfect timing, that could be unfortunate timing.
You know, we'll get reconnected with Jared Smith, but uh yes,
we get what he's saying though, no doubt and in.

Speaker 1 (52:45):
Reality, Brian, like I I think, I think of my career,
you know, in a lot of ways, like, man, I'm
super proud of a lot of the accomplishments along the
way what I was able you know, to achieve throughout
my college football playing career from an individual standpoint and
a team wide standpoint, But the almost are the ones

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that hurt the most. Like, sure, you know, we went
to the Rose Bowl on a one loss season and
we faced USC when I was at Penn State, and
that January first game didn't work out for us, And
boy do I remember that a lot more than the
wins at the Outback Bawl and the Alamo Bowl.

Speaker 2 (53:25):
You know what I mean, you totally get it.

Speaker 3 (53:27):
Yeah, it's one of those things. Look at the Super
Bowl matchup real fast. Yeah, let's say the Lions were
the team that beat the forty nine ers, made it
to the Super Bowl, lost to the Chiefs.

Speaker 2 (53:38):
Right.

Speaker 3 (53:39):
You know, all I'm saying is there's nothing wrong with say, hey,
you got to close the deal, it's not good enough,
so forth and so on. But let's not overlook an
accomplishment the Lions getting to the NFC Championship Game accomplishment.
If the Lions were able to get to the Super
Bowl and albeit not win, it still an accomplishment.

Speaker 2 (53:57):
Yeah, certainly, And so I just.

Speaker 3 (53:59):
Think it's unfortunate at times we reduce it to you
never accomplished anything. I just think that part of it
is wrong. Hey, we've got rich Orenberger, Penn State All
American Jared Smith FSR betting analyst. I'm Brian No coming
up next. Was this just a publicity stunt? It's Fox
Sports Saturday, right here on Fox Sports Radio. It is

(54:19):
Fox Sports Saturday, right here on Fox Sports Radio. So Rich,
your former teammate, some guy the nickname the Goat, Tom Brady. Huh,
he was on Deep Cut with Vic Blens. So the
concept here is that a well known person like Tom

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Brady is just getting a haircut. Okay, he's getting his
haircut while they're just talking about sports life, anything that
the host, Vic Blens wants to throw at the famous person.
So Tom Brady goes on this YouTube show and this
is what caught the most attention.

Speaker 2 (54:59):
We get it.

Speaker 3 (55:00):
You're one percent retired.

Speaker 2 (55:02):
Yes, let's say one day. It is a situation, right,
Maybe it's the forty nine ers. Maybe you know, headed
to the playoffs.

Speaker 5 (55:08):
Offense is great, Patriots, somebody, somebody Raiders could be you
never know, Scott Forbu.

Speaker 2 (55:14):
Somebody goes down.

Speaker 3 (55:15):
Would you pick up that phone.

Speaker 2 (55:18):
I'm not opposed to it. If they would, I don't
know if they're.

Speaker 5 (55:20):
Gonna let me if I become an owner and an
NFL team, But I don't know if I don't know.

Speaker 2 (55:24):
I'm always going to be in a good shape, always
be able to throw the ball.

Speaker 5 (55:27):
So to come in for a little bit like MJ
coming back, I don't know if they let me, but
I wouldn't be.

Speaker 4 (55:33):
Opposed to it.

Speaker 3 (55:34):
Okay. I saw a couple of layers here, Rich, is
it's not happening.

Speaker 2 (55:40):
Okay.

Speaker 3 (55:41):
So Tom Brady is in line to be a minority owner.
He's bought into the Raiders organization, right, and so it's
pending approval. The NFL goes through this extensive process to say, okay,
green light, you're approved for ownership. So Tom Brady would
have to sell off his equity. No player can own

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equity in NFL teams, and so once he's approved, which
will happen, he would have to sell his equity to
then pick up a helmet for like the final six
games of the season or whatever. Like it's it's a
fun thought. It's just not happening. It You could speak
to this for sure, Rich, Maybe this helps you in
retirement where you just you almost like dangle that carrot

(56:28):
in front of you, like, you know, maybe maybe I'm
still in good shape, I can still sling it, you know,
maybe that helps you a little bit better instead of
just facing the reality of I'm probably never going to
play a game again. So maybe that's what's going on here.
But long story short, we're not gonna see Tom Brady
on an NFL field in a uniform playing ever again.

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It's not happening unfortunately.

Speaker 1 (56:52):
Well the only yeah, but I'll throw at you is yeah,
but Tom Brady is more important and valuable to this
league if he's playing, rather than broadcasting with Fox or
any other network, or as an owner, I mean, you
can fight I'm owners, you know, I mean, I guess

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they're not a dime a dozen. You need to have
a substantial amount of money, and you also need to
have the credibility that will allow the other owners to
vote you into their you know, their wolf pack there.

Speaker 2 (57:24):
But but there are other.

Speaker 1 (57:27):
People who can own NFL teams who yeah, that that's
really that's not special or important. It is, but it
isn't you understand what I'm saying. That's not really a
public facing role. And as a broadcaster, I mean, who
knows what he's going to be as a broadcaster. He
could be a great broadcaster or he could be a
very poor broadcaster in terms of commentating. Look, Drew Brees

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was an incredible, a Hall of Fame talent as a quarterback.
I think that there are mixed reviews so far on
how it's gone in the booth. And you know, even
as a studio analyst, you know, so who knows how
that's all gonna look when Tom Brady gets there. So
he is a more valuable asset to the NFL if
he's actually on a playing field, this minority ownership that

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he's chasing down with the Las Vegas Raiders, if he
really really wants the NFL to approve him, he's got
to stop dangling that carrot. Yeah, Because if I'm if
I'm the NFL, if I'm Roger Goodell and I'm talking
to the other owners right now, I'm saying, hey, hey, guys,
we're not going to prove Tom Brady to be one
of us and sit in this room and essentially lord

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over the NFL and make decisions alongside of us until
we know for sure that the most important well, I
guess you should say the most important aspect of his
career from a marketing standpoint for our league is officially.

Speaker 2 (58:50):
Put to bed.

Speaker 1 (58:51):
Because if there's any chance of a Tom Brady return.
We certainly don't want that chance to be fumbled because
we allowed him to have a minority ownership, and that's
what blocked him from going back to the field and
finishing the season. For I don't know, a playoff bound
forty nine Ers team who lose their quarterback, or a

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playoff bound Rams team who lost their quarterback, or playoff
bound Cowboys team who lost their quarterback. Imagine that storyline.
It's December, and you know, heaven forbid, Doc Prescott goes
down with an injury. But then all of a sudden,
it's Tom Brady's stepping into Dallas and helping them into
the playoff.

Speaker 3 (59:32):
Holy cow, yes, how funny would that be? Where right now?
The reality is we've got this extensive process to approve
any minority owner, right, so Tom Brady's having to wait
months and months and months. Let's say he's approved, and
then the scenario presents itself that you're talking about where

(59:53):
the Cowboys that goes down. They give Brady a phone
call and Brady's like, I'm in, and the NFL's like, well,
you got to sell your equity. All of a sudden, boom,
it's approved. Yeah, this guy has a lot of money.
Approved Tom Brady get a helmet, get out there. Yeah. Yeah,
Well that's the thing though, is that's what's attached to it.

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Also rich is Caleb Williams, who's going to be the
number one overall pick of the Chicago Bears. His dad,
Carl was wondering about this last year where it's like, hey,
could my son maybe own equity in the NFL team
that drafts him? Is that possible? Aaron Rodgers has wondered

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out loud about the same thing. And the NFL they
put a rule in place recently that was just like no, no, no,
let's nail that door shut, you know what I mean.
Let's lock it, let's bolt it. Let's make sure that
these players don't get their hands on our cash. And
so if you bent the rules and said, okay, our

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rules are set up where no player is allowed to
own equity in NFL teams, Tom Brady does, but we're
gonna look the other way so he can come back
out and fill in for Brock Purdy who just got hurt,
and Brady's out there balling with the forty nine ers.
If you look the other way on that, best believe

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there are gonna be a lot of current players who say, hey,
why can't I have a stake in a team as well?
And the NFL clearly does not want that to happen.

Speaker 1 (01:01:25):
Yeah, yeah, no, they absolutely do not, and they don't
want to make exceptions. And so I think Tom Brady, honestly,
if he is serious about wanting to be an owner
and wanting to have a chunk of a team, I think,
at least for the twenty twenty four season, he just
buried himself like he's there's no way, if I'm Roger Goodell,

(01:01:49):
I'm going to allow the NFL to approve him owning
a portion of any team if there is even a
shadow of a doubt, even a chance an ink the
mere mention of the fact that he's considering an NFL return,
because that is so much more valuable to the league.
So again, like it seems like a one off thing, right,

(01:02:12):
you know, he's on this podcast, he's hanging out, he's
getting his hair cut. It's just maybe he was a
little flippant with his words. But if I'm if I'm
Roger Goodell, I'm taking those words very seriously. And if
I'm any of these other teams, by the way, you know,
because there there there were reports and and there were

(01:02:33):
there was acknowledgment that teams have reached out to retired quarterbacks,
including Tom Brady, when they have injury situations. Hey, I mean,
would you be interested in playing for us? And some
of these quarterbacks have expressed that Yeah, And I seriously
considered it, and like so we'll see, we'll see what happens.

Speaker 4 (01:02:53):
It would he wouldn't be he He referenced Michael Jordan.

Speaker 1 (01:02:56):
Michael Jordan has been a stalking horse for Tom Brady
for years. When Julian Edelman recently spoke about this, another
one of my teammates, he said that one time they
were in LA training and he said something about Joe
Montana and he and you know, and Brady was like,
I'm not chasing Joe Montana.

Speaker 4 (01:03:17):
Right, I'm chasing Jordan.

Speaker 2 (01:03:19):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:03:20):
Like that's the way he thought of this.

Speaker 1 (01:03:22):
Like I want to be not just the best ever
in my sport, I want to be the greatest of
all time in all sports. I don't want there to
be any question when I'm finished. So like, like MJ
came back and he had some success. So let's see,
let's see what Brady does. I mean, maybe there is
an act too to this career after the retirement.

Speaker 3 (01:03:40):
Can you imagine real fast if that scenario plays out
where let's just say it's the forty nine ers they're
gearing up for the playoffs. Brock Purty gets hurt. The
Niners want Tom Brady, and the league is like, we'd
love it too, but we approved him for ownership and
he can't own equity in an NFL team and play

(01:04:02):
at the same time. So sorry, it's gonna be Joshua
Dobbs instead, Okay, kidding, right, yeah, Brady in said it. Dobbs.

Speaker 2 (01:04:12):
Oh Brady, Brady was interested. Yeah, but we can't.

Speaker 1 (01:04:16):
Sorry, world, we're gonna go with the pastronaut instead instead
of the goat.

Speaker 3 (01:04:24):
Yeah, that could. We'll see how it plays out, but
that that is more realistic than Brady playing again. Unfortunately,
that's where we're at. Coach John Caliperi rich he is
relocated no longer the coach at Kentucky. He will be
taking over at Arkansas as their head coach. How about
this curveball. Kentucky hires Mark Pope, who, as you're deep

(01:04:47):
in the college basketball game, BYU's head coach. He was
a player won a championship in ninety six at Kentucky,
and so he takes over as head coach. And what's
funny when you read the fine print here in which
never won an NCAA tournament game as a coach. Is
what we're looking at here. I think this is funny, man,

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where all these UK fans and boosters, they can't wait
to just kick John Caliperry out the door, get out
of here, good riddance. Anybody's better than him. I think
it would be hilarious. If Kentucky sucks, they're just even
worse without Cal now that they have a new coach,
which is very possible. By the way. Look, I don't

(01:05:32):
have any problem with someone saying, hey, we want more
these first round exits. It's not good enough. I get that.
But again, to make a championship in four final fours,
which cal accomplished at UK, to make that out to
be nothing is wrong, and to make it out to
be like anybody can do better anybody but Cal, Yeah,
good luck with that. Maybe this is Billy Gillespie two

(01:05:54):
point zero.

Speaker 6 (01:05:55):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:05:56):
Yeah, Well, here's what I will say about Party and
his time at.

Speaker 1 (01:06:04):
A at a blue blood program. One of the interesting
stories of his early career. There was told to me
by another Fox Sports radio host who interviewed him, Steve Hartman,
and he goes, you know, we're having this conversation when
he first got the job, and he knew what he
was getting into immediately when a fan came up to

(01:06:27):
him after I believe it was his maybe it was
his first season or his second season. He took the
team to the Elite eight, and they go this Kentucky
fan goes, hey, coach, I just want to let you know.
I want to introduce myself. Didn't want to interrupt you,
but I just want to let you know that even

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though this season was a failure, we're all still counting
on you. Like, like, think about how insane that conversation is.
If you're a coach who just took a team deep
into the tournament, you're like, wait a second, Like what
did I just hear? But there are certain programs when

(01:07:09):
you signed the contract, you know what you're getting into.
If you're a Lakers head coach, you know every single
season it's championship or bust. If you're if you're coaching
that organization, that franchise, there's an expectation you know, and
anything that's less than that is going to be considered
somewhat of a failure.

Speaker 4 (01:07:30):
Kentucky is one of those programs. And I agree with you.

Speaker 1 (01:07:34):
The grass always seems greener on the other side until
you get there and all of a sudden you're like, oh, yeah,
you know what, we didn't realize we we didn't realize
this side of the the fence had groundhogs. That's gonna
be a problem. And geez, you know they don't. We
don't really have the drainage on this side of the fence,
you know that until was over here. But we got
a soggy patrick grass over here. And oh man, you know,

(01:07:55):
is this lawn even level? I keep I'm walking around
and it looks level when you look at it, but
there's some potholes here, like you know.

Speaker 2 (01:08:02):
So so I agree with you, be careful what you wish.

Speaker 1 (01:08:05):
For, because oftentimes when you open your eyes and it's
sitting there in front of you, you got a you
got a whole bunch of Mark Pope.

Speaker 2 (01:08:14):
Yeah, good luck, I know it. It's uh.

Speaker 3 (01:08:16):
And the names that were thrown out there as potential candidates, Oh,
could we get Dan Hurley? The back to back championship
winning head coach at Yukon. How about Billy Donovan, he
won back to back titles at Florida, the current Chicago
Bulls head coach. How about Scott Drew he won a
title at Baylor. Right, And now all of a sudden,

(01:08:37):
you get Mark Pope. That's like saying, hey, I'm gonna
take you on a trip, and you're thinking, okay, is it?

Speaker 2 (01:08:44):
Are we going to Italy?

Speaker 3 (01:08:45):
Yeah?

Speaker 7 (01:08:45):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:08:46):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:08:46):
How about Maui? Who Yeah, no, We're going to Des Moines.

Speaker 2 (01:08:50):
That's the biggest little city in the Midwest, talking.

Speaker 3 (01:08:58):
Dan Hurley and yeah, and with Mark freakin Pope, who
hasn't won an NCAA tournament game as a head coach.

Speaker 4 (01:09:06):
Well, here's the look.

Speaker 1 (01:09:08):
He's a Kentucky grad, played two seasons one national championship. There,
you know, there's a little bit of recognition in terms
of coming back into the fold. Here's the other thing
basketball is changing. I don't know how important anymore who
your coaches. As long as he's an excellent recruiter and

(01:09:31):
as long as he has the donors and the backers
of the program behind him. Now he's gonna have to
be pretty strong willed, because I imagine a lot of
the money men and women behind Kentucky basketball who are
going to try to influence his decisions in terms of
roster building and how he coaches this team are going
to be more involved with him than they were involved

(01:09:51):
with cal Parry. And that's probably some of the reason
why he got shuffled off the deck and they brought
in somebody new. Maybe maybe they view Mark Pope as
more controlled. We'll see, but that's a big part of
this money is going to lord over college basketball in
a way we've never seen before.

Speaker 3 (01:10:08):
Okay, so I'll meet you halfway real fast. Just because
he hasn't had great success as a coach doesn't mean
he can't going forward. That's true, absolutely right. Just because
he wasn't the first choice or a big name does
not mean he can't have big success going forward. That's
also true. But the other side of the coin is
a guy named Juwan Howard who was a member of

(01:10:31):
the Fab Five at Michigan. All of a sudden he's
their head coach. Oh, good vibes, this is gonna be great,
And it started off well, and then he's slapping guys
in the handshake line and getting booted out the door
because he can't win any game, you know, so the
former player thing, eh, not destined for greatness either. Here's
what I would say on that. We got rich oron Berger,

(01:10:51):
Penn State, All American, Jared Smith FSR betting analyst, I'm
Brian No. Coming up next, we got NFL Draft odds, Galore.
Let's look at a couple of these odds and see
if there's some value we can pounce on. It is
Fox Sports Radios, Fox Sports Saturday, hang with us right here.
It is Fox Sports Saturday, right here on Fox Sports Radio.

(01:11:13):
So some NFL draft odds are available on bet MGM,
and it seems more and more at least the odds
are indicating looks like Jaden Daniels, the LSU quarterback, might
be heading toward Washington. Over there, rich might be a
part of the Commanders where right now, the team to

(01:11:34):
draft Jaden Daniels Washington is the the odds on leader
at minus one sixty five. Next in line is the
Patriots at plus one seventy five. So much different odds
on both of those teams. And this has grown a
little bit more and more with Daniels probably going to Washington,
which hey man I think it's gonna happen. Whether it

(01:11:57):
should or shouldn't happen, whether it's the right move or not,
time will tell. But I think that is going to
be the case because a lot of teams, and Washington
might be one of them, they look at it and
they say, Hey, best case scenario if we look at
the ceiling and Jaden Daniels is a dual threat guy
and he can get outside the pocket and make a

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lot more things happen. I think they might view it
that way and go with Daniels there. And I think
also maybe a small little hint if you look at
Marcus Mariota, who they picked up to be the backup
quarterback stylistically a lot more like Jaden Daniels, where if
Daniels went down, you wouldn't have to completely change your offense.
So that layer of it I think makes sense also

(01:12:39):
to point to Daniels might be headed to DC.

Speaker 1 (01:12:41):
Yeah, I agree, I won one hundred percent agree. In fact,
when Marcus Mariota was signed, that was my first thought too.
I was like, oh, wow, they're going to get Daniels
because Mariota could talk to him or walk him through
the style of offense, not obviously they're going to employ
with Daniels now at the NFL level. Here's the thing,

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and this is true for basically every franchise. A mobile quarterback,
a dual threat quarterback is like vitamin C to an offense.
You know, it's considered a cure all. It's not going
to make every aspect of the offense better. Obviously, you
need to work on your offensive line. Obviously, you need
weapons around the offense for your quarterback to connect with.

Speaker 4 (01:13:25):
A running game, etc. Etc.

Speaker 1 (01:13:28):
But a dual threat quarterback can hide a lot of
the blemishes of a struggling offense. And there's no question
Washington struggled last year and over the past half decade longer,
they've been struggling. So I think this would be a
smart move. Now, it's a smart move if everything works out.

(01:13:49):
I think the Indianapolis Colts had a similar idea when
they drafted Anthony Richardson. Obviously, he was injured and they
had a transition to Gardner Minshew and still had something
that resembled a pretty successful season in Indy. We'll see
if Washington can pull off the same thing with a
healthy Jayden Daniels.

Speaker 2 (01:14:07):
If that's who they end up drafting.

Speaker 3 (01:14:10):
Yeah, another of the odds that caught our attention. Number
one wide receiver to be drafted. Yeah, so Marvin Harrison Junior.
He's at minus seven hundred. You have to risk seven
hundred dollars to win one hundred. He's a huge favorite.
Molik Neighbors out of LSU, he's four to one. I
would not be surprised if someone goes with Neighbors and says,

(01:14:31):
this dude is just explosive. I'm so curious which of
the commonly held beliefs will turn out to be wrong.
Most people think, you know, MHJ is going top. He
might not coming up next. You can't be an Ostrich. Oh,
good morning to you. Hope your Saturday is off to
a great start. We got the third round of the
Masters going on here. You got a favorite golfer, by

(01:14:52):
the way, Rich, outside of Tiger okay, tech, Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:14:56):
I guess the lefty Phil Mickelson.

Speaker 1 (01:14:58):
I know a lot's been said about Phil over the years,
but I just love the fact that he would have
been the greatest golfer of this.

Speaker 2 (01:15:10):
Generation if there was no such thing as Tiger Woods,
you know what I mean?

Speaker 1 (01:15:14):
Like, yeah, like we were talking about those almost earlier
in the show, Brian, you were mentioning the fact that
I don't think we give enough credit to a team
like the Patriots, who may almost made it to the
Super Bowl as many times as they did. And you know,
the list goes on. There's so many people in golf

(01:15:35):
who are shuffled way further down the list than say it,
Tiger Woods or Rory McElroy. You know, their names aren't
as well known because you know, they're not as successful
as those guys from a wins, tournament wins or major
wins standpoint. And Phil Mickelson has obviously had a successful career,
winning tournaments, winning majors, but he would have what he

(01:15:59):
would have if there were no Tiger Woods would have
been something unbelievable, remarkable, beyond measure.

Speaker 4 (01:16:07):
But there was a Tiger Woods.

Speaker 1 (01:16:09):
So I find him to be such an interesting character
in golf, and I find myself drawn to the television
when he's on TV golfing.

Speaker 3 (01:16:17):
No, I hear you, man, I hear you. It's funny
to play those what if games. Yeah, you know what
if we never had Tiger Woods, Yeah, Lefty would be
thought of much differently. Let me throw this at you,
because the two main stories this week, it's what's happened
with Show Hey Otani and it's OJ Simpson passing away.

Speaker 6 (01:16:38):
And so with.

Speaker 3 (01:16:39):
Otani, it turns out the FEDS have said it's his interpreter,
Ipe Mitch Yuhara, who was stealing sixteen million dollars from
his bank account to covery to cover gambling debts and
all of that sort of thing. So the Feds cleared
Show Heyotani, and so I started thinking about these two stories,
and they're very different stories. With what happened with Otani

(01:17:02):
and the gambling situation with his interpreter and OJ Simpson,
the fame, the notoriety, and then the double murder charge.
This is what I think, Rich. You tell me if
this makes sense to you or not. Yeah, I think
that you can't just bury your head in the sand
like an Ostrich when there's information that's readily available, when

(01:17:26):
there's proof, and you say, hey, yeah, ye, I don't
want to bother with the proof. I just believe this
to be true, right, because I started thinking about when
the news about OJ passing away. The five part documentary
Made in America that aired on ESPN was tremendous and
one of the parts that really stuck out with me

(01:17:48):
was one of OJ's childhood friends said on the doc,
he was like, I just don't believe he could do that.
I don't believe that he could murder the mother of
his children, and how brutal of murder it was. I
just don't believe it. I grew up with the guy.
I don't believe it, and I always thought rich I
was like, look, man, if there's blood and DNA in

(01:18:11):
the bronco at Ojay's home of Nicole Brown Simpson of
Ron Goldman, like, at some point the proof is staring
at you in the face, can't just bury your head.
And so I think something similar with Otani, I feel like, man,
that's hard to believe. He knew nothing at all. This
dude's making nineteen thousand bets stealing his cash. He's not

(01:18:35):
involved whatsoever, never changed to check his bank account in
two years. It's just hard to believe. But that's what
the Feds have found. That's the proof that they found.
They're like, bro, we went through everything. We went through
his phone, his messages, his texts, his emails, no mention
of gambling at all. Nothing, And so when that proof

(01:18:56):
is right there, I mean, you could go ash and say, now,
now just hard to believe, don't believe it, and you
might be right, But I think it's foolish to just
dismiss proof if it's readily available.

Speaker 1 (01:19:09):
Yeah, it's so difficult when when you have a story
that is so tidy to believe it right, you know
what I mean? When when when all the pieces fit perfectly,
Because life is much messier than what this ended up being. Like,
life is usually way more complex than Hey, you know,

(01:19:31):
this is just the classic story of a guy getting
taken advantage of. I like, there's there's a part of
me that wants to believe that maybe there are back
room deals being forged and bonds being forged between Ibi
Mitsuhara and Shoheo Tani that Hey, if if anybody's ever

(01:19:52):
gonna take the fall in any of this, it's gonna
be you, and then I'll take care of you on
the other side, Like.

Speaker 4 (01:19:57):
You know what I mean.

Speaker 1 (01:19:58):
Like, because that that seems I guess a it's it
would be a much more interesting story. It would be
horribly damaging to show Heotani if any of that ever
ever was.

Speaker 4 (01:20:09):
Proven to be true.

Speaker 1 (01:20:10):
But that's anybody who still is believing that sho Heyo
Tani had anything to do with this, that he was
the one interested in gambling, and Ipe Mitzuhara, maybe he
was also interested in gambling, was just really the bag
man for sho Heo Tani. This this is truly a conspiracy,
and it could be a conspiracy of just two people.

(01:20:34):
But if that's what you're willing to believe, when all
of the facts are staring you in the face, that
suggests that no, that's not true, that sho Heo Tani
was taken advantage of that you could paint him with
the brush of naive, but guilty you can't. And the
proof is the fact that the federal government would be thrilled,

(01:20:58):
would be thrilled if they had a player or a person,
I should say, a person of the esteem of sho
Hao Tani going down on charges of you know, gambling
outside of the legal realm, and you know, the monies
that they could recover from him in damages and all
of that stuff. And the US Attorney's Office could pat

(01:21:21):
themselves on the back for taking down another illegal sportsbook
and then have show Haotani's name tied to this whole
case and etcetera, etcetera, etcetera. Because if Sho Hao Tani
can go down for you know, illegal gambling, well then.

Speaker 4 (01:21:34):
So can you. So you better button up.

Speaker 1 (01:21:36):
And isn't that the point of law enforcement not only
to enforce the law, but when you see somebody pulled
over for speeding on the side of the freeway, like
you you you go and you look at your speedometer
and you're like, ooh, I better check my speed too,
Like this would be a landmark case, a slam dunk
for the US federal government in terms of battling illegal

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gambling activity.

Speaker 2 (01:21:58):
But they don't have the proof.

Speaker 1 (01:22:00):
If they had the proof, show Hey would be going
down to And so the more I read, the more
I understand, the more information that comes out from the
people who have, you know, purportedly did this investigation, the
more I believe that show Hey is innocent and he
was just taking advantage of by a thief and a
degenerate gambler.

Speaker 3 (01:22:21):
Well that's the thing, man, is with the OJ situation,
there were so many dumb arguments, and I just don't
want to do the same thing with a much different
case with Otani. Right, So the OJ thing, it was, well,
well maybe they planted the evidence, you know, It's like, okay,
maybe they plan it the glove more conspiracies, right, just conspiracy, conspiracy, conspiracy.

(01:22:47):
It's like, dude, they're planning the you know, the evidence
of blood in the bronco and OJ's home, Like really,
that's what does that sound like? It makes sense? Because
it doesn't right, And I don't want to do the
same thing when it comes to Otani, where it's like, hey,
in spite of this being what the FEDS have found,
I mean, do you really believe that, you know, like,

(01:23:09):
what if.

Speaker 2 (01:23:10):
This and what if that?

Speaker 3 (01:23:11):
You start playing that game and I just put on
the brakes for a second. I'm like, holy cow, Maybe
they're right, you know what I mean, Like, maybe they
are accurate with what they're finding. Another aspect of this
rich is I got a text from one of my
buddies and he just simply wrote that he said, I
thought that this might be an unpopular opinion, but it's

(01:23:34):
sad that NFL, Twitter and Facebook hasn't acknowledged OJ's death.
If you look at Twitter, if you look at NFL's
page on X if that's what you want to call it,
there's no mention of Oj passing away. Yeah, and my
friend wrote, Hey, if he were proven guilty, I get it,
but the fact he was acquitted and to don't and

(01:23:57):
to not make a post is messed up. They're worried
about what people will say. Now, this was my response, Rich,
I'm curious where you come out on this. I just wrote,
I totally disagree with you that dude was as guilty
as sin, regardless of what a completely biased jury decided.
How would you even begin to write a post about
OJ If you're the NFL, what would you say about

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a double murderer? You have to make sure every single
word is as carefully crafted as possible. I just don't
see what the gain is. I don't. I think it's better.
It's not like we're in the dark and we don't
know this news. Like we wouldn't know this information if
you know NFL. Twitter doesn't put it out there, we

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know it. The NFL is just gonna get hammered with
whatever they put out there. I don't see what the
gain is. So I have no problem with the NFL
not acknowledging it.

Speaker 1 (01:24:48):
Yeah, yeah, I mean I think people lose track like
the the NFL. This isn't like some philanthropic organization.

Speaker 4 (01:25:02):
I mean, they are a business.

Speaker 1 (01:25:04):
The NFL is only going to make decisions that help
them make more money. How on earth would it be
good marketing for the NFL to celebrate the life or
the passing. Even though he was a legendary player, and
he was an incredible running back and arguably one of
the best football players who have ever walked planet Earth,

(01:25:27):
and he played in your league, how does it benefit
them in the least bit to acknowledge him in his passing.
I mean, yeah, he did during his time playing a
lot of good for the sport. After his career as
a broadcaster in a movie star, he did a lot
of good for the sport. But then inarguably one of

(01:25:47):
the most infamous people of all time with his involvement
or I mean, in many people's opinion, his murdering of
two people.

Speaker 2 (01:26:01):
I mean, it's like, this doesn't shock me in the
least bit. They're a business.

Speaker 1 (01:26:09):
It's like it's like, I don't know, if a diner
used to have Charles Manson as one of their you know,
their greatest customers, before you know he he murdered those
people with the Manson family, Like what after his passing
you know you're gonna have a Denny's put out a

(01:26:29):
tweet saying, Hey, sad to see.

Speaker 2 (01:26:31):
Charles Manson died. Like no, it's like I mean, it doesn't.

Speaker 1 (01:26:36):
What you do with your life has an impact on
whether or not people want to associate with you, And
unfortunately for the NFL, they have an affiliation with easily
one of the most infamous human beings in American modern history.

Speaker 3 (01:26:54):
Yeah, I think it's a I compare it to selling
a used car. Now follow me on this.

Speaker 2 (01:27:00):
Yeah. Sure, if you're only.

Speaker 3 (01:27:02):
Gonna talk about the good stuff, you're gonna be oh,
great gas mileage. I'll tell you what, man, the tires
are brand new or whatever. Right Like, yeah, you got
talking about the exhaust sucks or whatever. Right Like, you're
just going to be talking about the good things. So
NFL and their Twitter page, they're gonna be talking about

(01:27:23):
the positive things, like, oh, look at this draft moment
from a couple of years ago with the draft less
than two weeks away, or oh, look at the game
in Brazil. It's gonna be Jordan Love and the Packers
against Jalen Hurts and the Eagles. It's like fun, NFL
good positive, Yay, right, Like that's what their X page
is going to be. It's not going to be Hey,

(01:27:46):
OJ passes away at age seventy six, most of you
think he committed a double murder and got away with it. Like,
that's not going to be highlighting the NFL. That's talking
about the exhaust being a problem. Yeah, to a potential buyer,
that just doesn't help them at all. It makes way
more sense to sidestep.

Speaker 2 (01:28:06):
That absolutely absolutely, yeah, I that is it.

Speaker 4 (01:28:10):
And what is used car sales?

Speaker 1 (01:28:12):
I mean like when you really distill it and you
boil it down to it's it's trust and how do
you earn that trust through good marketing? Because, like you said,
you're gonna stand in front if you're a used car salesman,
you're gonna stand in front of that dent on the fender,
you know, while you're while you're showing the car to
the perspective buyer, you're gonna be like, hey, listen this thing.

Speaker 2 (01:28:35):
I mean, man, the lady who used to own it,
it was a grocery getter.

Speaker 1 (01:28:40):
She barely took it on any trips, and she brought
it right here to the dealership every time it needed
to be serviced. In fact, we have the full write
up every time she brought it in the only thing
she's ever done to it, changed the brakes once and
just got oil changes. So you're gonna love this ride.
And meanwhile you stand in front of a big dent
on the bumper. But sometimes you can't avoid the obvious.

(01:29:02):
You know, sometimes it's a flood recovery vehicle and you
can't lie about that stuff, and you just have to
sort of put it on the side of the lot
and then hope people don't see it. And that's exactly
what OJ Simpson is to the NFL's He's that car
that you know it has to be on the lot.
But if there's any way we could get you to

(01:29:23):
not look in its direction because we know it's not
a safe ride and it's not gonna be one that
really brings positive attention to our car lot over here.

Speaker 2 (01:29:33):
Yeah, let's say we're gonna show you this Mazda we
just got rolling in. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:29:37):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, have a look at this.

Speaker 2 (01:29:40):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:29:40):
No, that's the way it goes, man, That's that's the
reason behind it. Why NFL Twitter was like, yeah, we'll
let other organizations mention this OJ passing away story. We're
good on that.

Speaker 2 (01:29:51):
We're good on that. Well, TMC handle it, Yeah, yeah,
no doubt.

Speaker 3 (01:29:55):
Let ESPN handle it. And man, they did like the
life in times, right, OJ. I don't know, man, it's
it's a tricky situation to get involved in because it
can't just be about someone's fame, right. You can't allow
someone's fame to change how you would commonly think about
a story, right, and a lot of people that's the case.

(01:30:17):
All right, we'll move off this coming up right around
the corner. There was a golden opportunity for a team
and they let it slip right through their fingers. Details
on that on the way. Rich Ornberger with US Penn
State All American Jared Smith FSR betting analyst, I'm Brian No.

(01:30:41):
The Denver Nuggets, rich Man, golden opportunity last night and
it went right through their fingers. So Denver was the
one seed in the West before last night they lost
to the Spurs and Denver had a twenty three point
So with that loss they go from a one seed

(01:31:03):
to a three seed. Right now, three way tie atop
the West and that changes everything in terms of who
they face and then later in the playoffs whether they
have home court or not, which could be a big deal.
So that was a big loss, disappointing for the Nuggets
who had it last night. Let it slip away.

Speaker 1 (01:31:22):
Yeah, yeah, it's interesting what's happened with the NBA. I
think the games that are more consequential are played obviously
at the top of the playoff standings, as opposed to
the bottom.

Speaker 2 (01:31:36):
Like in the NFL.

Speaker 1 (01:31:38):
You know, the end of the regular season, we're all
watching with baited breath, who's gonna sneak into the wildcard round?

Speaker 2 (01:31:45):
And it's so consequential.

Speaker 1 (01:31:47):
Because we know in the NFL how wildcard teams can
be sometimes. I mean, you could have wild card winners,
you know, Super Bowl winners. It's happened before, and so
it's just crazy, I mean, is it is so urgent
and important in the NFL the bottom of the playoff bracket.

Speaker 2 (01:32:05):
Meanwhile in the NBA, it's like it's like the reverse.

Speaker 1 (01:32:09):
It's like, you know, Denver losing home court advantage, you know,
as they obviously are one of those teams who are
slated to make a deep run. I mean, that's more
important than you know whether or not the Lakers are
going to be the the nine seed or the ten seed,
or you know, like or like you know whether or
not the Clippers are going to be the sixth seed

(01:32:33):
or the seven It's it's just the NBA is so backwards.
Like the regular season, it almost doesn't matter anymore because
you have thirty teams participating in the regular season and
you allow twenty teams into the postseason, so that means
only five teams in each conference aren't making the postseason,

(01:32:55):
you know, in some form or fashion. I know that,
you know, the opening round now is a play in
tournament quote unquote, but yeah, I agree with you, Like
it's it's it's more it's more important and interesting what's
happening at the top of the standings in the NBA
toward the end of the regular season than what's happening
at the bottom. And that is so backward because there

(01:33:17):
should be real consequence for teams who are underperforming. Meanwhile
they're not. And like the Lakers, who were a playing
team last year, they can make it all the way
to the Western Conference Final and face a team like
the Denver Nuggets and and they don't have to do
as much during the regular season to get there.

Speaker 3 (01:33:34):
I'll tell you, man, I love the play in tournament.

Speaker 2 (01:33:37):
I don't mind it.

Speaker 1 (01:33:38):
I think it's better. I think it's better than the
eight teams in that we had before. Yeah, because at
least it's it's it's urgent, you know, it's it's it's
a one and one and done situation or a two
and done situation.

Speaker 2 (01:33:55):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:33:55):
No, just that part of it too. But it's also
the battle to try to be in the top six
to avoid the play in. So if you look out East,
you've got Orlando, who's the five right now, the Pacers
are the sixth, and you've got the seventy six ers
they're in seventh place, right They all have the same record.

(01:34:16):
So tomorrow, when every single team is playing in the NBA,
there's a lot on the line in terms of who
avoids the play in, who's seeded where, right, all these
teams are trying to avoid the play in if they can.
Because you're in the playoffs, you're not at risk to
potentially miss the playoffs by not playing your way in.

(01:34:38):
I also think this too, man, if you are facing
the Sixers and Embiid his back and he looks great.
Embiid looks like he hasn't missed any time whatsoever. And
they could be either. They could be as much as
the five. They could be the sixth. Philly could be
the seven or eight, depending on how the play in
shakes out, if they're even in that. If that's your

(01:35:00):
first round opponent, imagine if that's the Bucks first round opponent.
That's the way it's set right now, and you've got
these injury concerns with Giannis and his calf strain. If
your first round opponent, if you're Milwaukee, is Philly, that's bad.
That is not what you want whatsoever.

Speaker 1 (01:35:18):
Yeah, and that's the other thing too, is you could
actually seed higher and potentially face a team you don't
want to see in the first round, or or seed
lower and it could be you know, favorable to you.
So so there's that also in the NBA, you know,
because these these playoffs there, they happen over series and

(01:35:42):
so you get multiple bites at the apples. So if
you're the better team but some some other team, you know,
whether it be because they had you know, a better
early season record than you did, or you know, whatever
the consequence of a of an injury down the stretch
of the season. It actually could benefit you to having
a lower seed going through the postseason as opposed to

(01:36:02):
a higher seed. There's so many problems with the NBA
the conclusion of the regular season, but I will agree
with you. I thought I would hate the play in.
I thought, I don't like the idea that ten teams
get in. That seems ridiculous. But I do like the
idea of urgency. I like the idea that you can

(01:36:24):
be a team that has a one shot, you know,
one game opportunity, and if you don't win, you leave.

Speaker 2 (01:36:31):
You're sorry, you're going home.

Speaker 4 (01:36:32):
Yeah. I like that level of urgency.

Speaker 1 (01:36:34):
So the early portion of the postseason has become more
interesting in the NBA, and then you go through a
little bit of a valley and then it starts perking
back up during the conference championship times.

Speaker 3 (01:36:45):
It's pretty crazy when you compare the East and West
record wise, some of these play in teams where Atlanta
they're in tenth place right now, they're nine games under
five hundred and tenth place. In the West, its Golden State,
who's nine games above five hundred. Yeah, so Golden State's
eleven games back of Oklahoma City and Atlanta they're twenty

(01:37:10):
seven games back of the Celtic. Both those teams are
in tenth place in their respective conference. It's just wild, man,
But I can't wait for the PLAYFFS. Its gonna be
a lot of fun. I'm in full NFL draft mode
over here, rich and I just I boil it down
to this and this year. I don't know if this

(01:37:31):
is a yearly thing, but especially this year. If you
look at a lot of these mock drafts very similar,
you know, not no major just crazy curveballs and a
lot of the mock drafts and we know that's not
how it goes in actuality. That's what I'm wondering. What's
the major curveball where we say, whoa, we didn't see

(01:37:54):
that on any of these mock drafts. Because it happens
every single year, it's gonna happen this year all so,
and when you look at the top ten, I am
just trying to find It's like a daily question for me,
where is the major curveball? Who's the team that says, yeah,
we know Marvin Harrison Junior is really good, but we
just prefer mo leak. Neighbors didn't see that one coming,

(01:38:16):
did you, right? Or who's the team like the Raiders.
You don't hear anything about the Raiders? Do they get
aggressive and pull Vault into the top three and get
a QB. You know what I mean, there's just something
radical that happens. It's gonna take place.

Speaker 2 (01:38:29):
I just don't know what it is.

Speaker 4 (01:38:31):
I completely agree with you.

Speaker 1 (01:38:32):
You know it's going to And then, by the way,
what often happens is a team all of a sudden,
moves up the board, and then we see the chain
reaction that creates.

Speaker 4 (01:38:42):
We see the ripples in the pond.

Speaker 1 (01:38:43):
All of a sudden, a team jumps ahead, and then
other general managers and organizations they get antsy and their
phones start ringing, and then they start calling other gms
and you know, one All it takes is one move
that is unconvey unconventional or unexpected, I should say, and

(01:39:04):
then it triggers a chain reaction event where other moves
happen concordantly as a result.

Speaker 4 (01:39:11):
So we've seen it.

Speaker 1 (01:39:12):
Sometimes where you know, we've gotten through the first round
without a single trade. It's a rarity, but it happens,
and we've seen plenty of drafts where in the top
ten we have a tremendous amount of movement, and I'm
curious which way this draft goes.

Speaker 2 (01:39:27):
I feel like with as much talent at the quarterback position.

Speaker 1 (01:39:32):
As we have this season, we're going to see movement,
Like we're going to see a trade pretty early in
this draft. A team is going to be commenced to
move off their spot for a more QB needy team.

Speaker 2 (01:39:44):
But we'll see. I've been wrong before.

Speaker 1 (01:39:46):
In fact, when it comes to NFL Draft, like all
of us, I'm wrong every single year because it's impossible
to call it.

Speaker 2 (01:39:53):
Really is it is.

Speaker 3 (01:39:54):
I'm looking at some of these odds for certain players.
Where the team to draft JJ McCarthy, the Michigan quarterback.
The Vikings are a pretty heavy favorite, right just plus
one fifteen. It's a little bit better than even money.
Next in line is the Patriots at plus two seventy five.

(01:40:15):
Do you see the Patriots. Let's just play that out
where you know, let's say they stay at three. Imagine
if they say, yeah, a lot of people think we're
gonna take either Jayden Daniels or Drake May, whoever's available.
We just had our eye on this JJ McCarthy guy.
The whole time, these Michigan quarterbacks kind of it worked
out for us before you know, we're going team JJ over.

(01:40:36):
I don't see that happening. But again, that could be
one of the major curve balls that no one has
talked about.

Speaker 1 (01:40:42):
Right right, And and that's another thing is players who
their value skyrockets or plummets over the course of the
month of April. I mean, we've we've seen it a
million times. I'll go back to the Baker Mayfield draft.
I think I think early in the draft season, you know,
talking about around February time, you know, it was Sam Darnold.

Speaker 2 (01:41:06):
Everybody was talking.

Speaker 1 (01:41:07):
About Donald and he was really the bell of the
ball USC quarterback. And then all of a sudden, more
and more people were talking about Baker Mayfield. And then
I remember it was the night before, maybe it was
two days before, maybe it.

Speaker 2 (01:41:19):
Was the morning of.

Speaker 1 (01:41:20):
I forget, but Baker Mayfield. All of a sudden, there's
rumors the Cleveland Browns maybe taking him with the first
overall pick, and it kind of it felt a little
shocking because that's another name that was considered maybe a
lower value pick that rocketed up the board.

Speaker 4 (01:41:38):
And was the first one taken, so you just never know.

Speaker 2 (01:41:41):
You can't call it.

Speaker 1 (01:41:42):
And JJ McCarthy might be one of those players who, Yeah,
I guess if you watch college football this year, you
know it's Jaden Daniels, it was Caleb Williams, it was
Drake May was Bo Nicks all receiving more intention than
JJ McCarthy, but ultimately he was the last QB state
in college football. Jim Harbaugh had tons of nice things

(01:42:03):
to say about him. And here we are, you know,
within striking distance of the draft, and there's a lot
of speculation he could be an early pick.

Speaker 3 (01:42:11):
Yeah, could be. Also Michael Pennix junior. Yeah, the Washington quarterback.
The odds are really interesting with him rich where it's
just a crapshoot. So to give you a glimpse, the
Raiders are close to four to one like that, and
that's the odds on leader to get Michael Pennock junior,
which tells you a lot. There's no heavy favorite. The

(01:42:33):
favorite is four to one, the Vikings, the Broncos there
in the neighborhood of five to one to get Michael
Penick junior. And then it just goes from there. Mel
Kiper Junior had Pennick Junior in his latest mock draft
going to the Rams, who are listed right now at
fourteen to one. That'd be a heck of a payday
right there. It worked out like that. But do you

(01:42:55):
think would you even consider because right now it just
seems like you're throwing a dart. Would you throw a
dart and say, hey, the Broncos have to get a
quarterback or the Vikings have to get a quarterback. You're
getting close to five to one, sayah, why not? But
I just don't get down with betting like that unless
I have like a strong feeling this is gonna be

(01:43:17):
the case. I don't like just closing my eyes and
hoping to hit a bull's eye, you know.

Speaker 4 (01:43:22):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:43:22):
Well, and what's interesting about what's interesting about the draft
is it's not even like you what happens if all
the quarterbacks are taken before the Vikings can get one,
you know what I mean? Like like Sony, any of
the quarterbacks that they liked are off the board before
they get to pick, or they tried to trade up

(01:43:44):
but can't because they're filibustered by better trade packages from
other organizations. That's the other thing like, even if you
had a great feel for this, even if you knew
beyond the shadow of a doubt that the intent for
an organization was to take a quarterback, it still could
work out differently because it is such a crapshoot once

(01:44:06):
teams are on the clock, because any of the other
thirty one or I guess in this case, the team's
on the clock, so you plus thirty other organizations they're
competing for potentially that spot to move up and select
that player. So yeah, I agree with you. It's tough
to close your eyes and throw that dart. But if
there is an organization that feels like they're probably gearing

(01:44:28):
up to take a QB, the Broncos have.

Speaker 2 (01:44:31):
To be one of them.

Speaker 1 (01:44:33):
The Vikings, maybe they can stave it off one year
and see how it goes with Darnold if they want
to go into complete rebuild mode. But they're certainly the
most desperate organizations. Most of them are pretty close to
the top of the board, and you would assume most
of them are going to be selecting a quarterback.

Speaker 3 (01:44:53):
You know, we were just singing the praises of Adki Matsuyama.
Three birdies on the first nine right bogie on the
tenth hole right after we were singing his praises.

Speaker 2 (01:45:07):
Freaking guy.

Speaker 1 (01:45:09):
Yeah, you know what I feel. I do feel like
I like I low. I feel like you do have
a little skin in the game. There's a lot of
a lot of matsu Yama.

Speaker 3 (01:45:18):
Talk, a lot of matsu Yama. Get in the top twenty.
Come on, buddy, you know if I ever throw out
a buddy, yeah that there's there's some cash on him
to get to the top twenty. So he's got what
eighteen plus eight holes? He got twenty six more holes
to work with today and tomorrow, so get the top twenty.

(01:45:40):
He's got to look at that. We've got Rich Orenberger
with US Penn State, all American, Jared Smith FSR betting analyst.
I'm Brian No coming up next Rapid Fire. We all
have picks to make and hopefully mine will be right
and everybody else's would be wrong.

Speaker 2 (01:45:55):
You know, would you be.

Speaker 4 (01:45:57):
Okay with that?

Speaker 5 (01:45:58):
Rich?

Speaker 3 (01:45:58):
Yeah, that's what everybody's are, that all of our picks
are right.

Speaker 2 (01:46:01):
We'll be right.

Speaker 4 (01:46:03):
We could be nine and oh this show, Oh my gosh.

Speaker 2 (01:46:06):
Yeah, let's go.

Speaker 3 (01:46:07):
But first choice is three and six me hitting mine.
You guys just crapping out, you know, like we're at
the craps table. Second choice would be nine and oh,
I don't know, so this is a good second choice
right there. We'll get some picks to you right around
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Technical producer Isaac Lowen, Cron Crushing the Updates, Crushing Life,
Top of the Hour, Up on Game, LaVar Arrington, TJ Hushmanzada, Plexico, Burist.
They've got you covered all. We got some picks to make.

Speaker 2 (01:47:07):
Let's do it rapid fire.

Speaker 3 (01:47:13):
Okay, Rich, We'll start with you, man, what are you
thinking today?

Speaker 1 (01:47:16):
All right, So I've got a little MLBPGA mash up
here for you be no, I'll start in Major League Baseball.
So last night, for those of you on the West
coast who stayed awake or those of you on the
East coast who couldn't sleep, there was an eight seven
thriller in LA. The Padres take the first game of
the series against the Dodgers.

Speaker 2 (01:47:38):
Eight to seven ball game there, So Padres, they got
plus one and a half on the run line.

Speaker 3 (01:47:45):
I like it.

Speaker 1 (01:47:46):
The back end of this rotation has been pitching well
this season. Matt Waldron last time out held up, and
the offense coming out of that Cup series into this
series against the Dodgers has been generating hits and runs
and getting on and getting over and getting in. So
plus one and a half there for the Padres on
the run line in Game two of the Dodgers series.

(01:48:08):
Moving on to the Masters. Yeah, okay, here we go.
The most popular golfer inarguably in all golf is still
Tiger Woods.

Speaker 2 (01:48:18):
He's got my attention.

Speaker 1 (01:48:19):
He's playing about par golf right now through the first
two rounds seventy three in his opening round seventy two yesterday,
little bit more of a scatterplot in terms of.

Speaker 2 (01:48:30):
Bogies and birdies.

Speaker 1 (01:48:31):
But my first wager here is going to be Tiger
Woods to birdie any of the par three holes in
round three of the Masters. So he only has one
birdie on the par three holes at the Masters so
far this tournament, and it was yesterday and I believe
it was in the front nine. So I'm going to
take Tiger Woods to birdie any par three hole in

(01:48:53):
round three, and then the next one on Tiger as well,
Tiger Woods to shoot seventy two or under in round three.
Like I said, he's playing par golf, so I feel
good about a seventy two. And that's where I'm at
today with the rapid fire in my front.

Speaker 3 (01:49:10):
Okay, all right, so I'm gonna go with a couple
of puck selections.

Speaker 2 (01:49:16):
Oh my gosh, you might be breaking new ground.

Speaker 3 (01:49:21):
Austin Matthews is phenomenal this season. He's got a chance
to get the seventy goals in the season and he's
been on an absolute heater, scoring goals left and right.
Scored a couple of goals his last game. I'm gonna
take him as an anytime goal scorer against the Red
Wings today at minus one thirty. I'm also gonna go
college puck on you. We got the championship game here, Rich,

(01:49:43):
Give me the Denver Pioneers plus one and a half here, Okay, yeah,
they just can't lose by two or more. All right,
you're going. They're going for their tenth championship here. They're
tied with Michigan for the most ever in college hockey.
Give me the Denver Pioneers. I was tempted to take

(01:50:04):
him on the money line, but I'm gonna take him
plus one and a half against Boston College.

Speaker 4 (01:50:09):
Sure, and then.

Speaker 2 (01:50:12):
I'm torn.

Speaker 3 (01:50:12):
I could go back to the well again with Scottie Scheffler,
or I could go a little UFC three hundred on you, Rich.

Speaker 2 (01:50:19):
Oh my, what do you think?

Speaker 3 (01:50:21):
Do you feel one over the other?

Speaker 2 (01:50:24):
Give me three hundred. You're breaking new ground all over
the place.

Speaker 3 (01:50:27):
Let's do it.

Speaker 2 (01:50:29):
What a card? Yeah, big one.

Speaker 3 (01:50:31):
The card is unbelievable. Give me Charles Olivera plus one
eighty five. Okay, Olivera. He's gonna get it done. This
dude has won twelve of his last thirteen fights. You
get him at almost two to one. That's great value.
I can't turn that down, So give me a Give

(01:50:51):
me Charles here to get this one done.

Speaker 2 (01:50:53):
Incredible, incredible, We.

Speaker 3 (01:50:55):
Got real fast. Jared had some technical issues. He's going
with the first inning run. He's going with the ur
feet in Cardinals d Bax right there. That is something
to keep an eye on. Love that all rightybody, have
a good day.

Speaker 2 (01:51:11):
We'll catch you soon.

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