September 10, 2024 • 47 mins
It's Fox Sports Radio's official fantasy football podcast! Dan Beyer and Mike Harmon react to Week 1 of the NFL season through a fantasy lens... The guys open the show recapping the Monday Night Football opener between the 49ers and Jets, pinning down the biggest fantasy takeaways from the matchup. That leads into a broader examination of Week 1, as the guys go game by game, looking at some of the most exciting and most disappointing performances from across the league. Plus, Harmon gives his hottest waiver wire adds ahead of Week 2!
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Ladies.
Speaker 2 (00:01):
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(00:24):
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Speaker 3 (00:33):
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waiver wire guys for week two, plus some drama in
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(00:55):
We kind of got to start where we ended week one,
and that was Monday night football. And it may not
have anything to do with any of the players that
actually played, because I know Christian McCaffrey probably ruined a
lot of fantasy lineups when we found out that he
was not going to be playing ninety minutes before kickoff
on Monday.
Speaker 1 (01:12):
You want to talk about a kick in the teeth, right,
I'm getting ready to get in the car and rally
up to the Fox Sports radio studios, and that comes across,
and I immediately text my partner in crime during the week,
Jason Smith, big Jets fan for those unaware, and he
just gets absolutely giddy. He posted some ridiculous thing in
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the Twitter verse of an expectation of Rogers' stat line.
We'll get to that in a minute. But McCaffrey going
down becomes the all right scramble drill to the waiver
wire or to benches, depending on how you set up
your squad, whether Jordan Mason, who ends up being a
star for the day, was available, or if your roster
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was already locked to the point where you couldn't do anything.
So I mean the Monday night football, it was the
worst of all circumstance. This is the number one overall
player in fantasy football and a Monday night game in
leaving you with very few options by which to make amends,
and certainly any gap you were trying to close, and
(02:15):
you were making the assumption the ronco said it, and
forget it that even against a tough Jets defense, I'm
going to catch six to eight passes. I'm going to
pile up eighty total yards and get my thirteen fourteen points.
And as a base yeah, you had none of it.
So yeah, kicking the teeth for fantasy owners, which after
what was a pretty difficult week overall with some of
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the star power loss due to injury.
Speaker 3 (02:40):
Yeah, I was gonna say this, if you had Christian McCaffrey,
is it a given nowadays to handcuff with Jordan Mason? Right?
Speaker 1 (02:48):
Well, look I did it before they sent him to IR.
I had Eli Mitchell, right, who looked like depending on
when you drafted, right, I guess is the thing because
I was actually a draft where I took Mitchell and
he was kind of questionable, and before the end of
that round someone went and took Jordan Mason, and then
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eventually Mitchell's injury. Maybe maybe he had the inside dope,
but he ends up going to IR instead of being
a all right, we'll just mountitor it week to week
and then Mason has this type of game. But yeah,
just in general, with McCaffrey, I think I think to
that in the last couple of years, I would have
been doing that based on his injury history, if I
was going to go in for him in round one.
Speaker 3 (03:30):
Yeah, I think that you have to, and I don't
think that you can do that with every running back
in the National Football League right For example, like I
have Kenneth Walker the third. Last year, I made sure
that I got Zach Charboney and was like, all right,
I'm set there. If he goes down this year, I'm like, don't.
I don't really need to do that. I don't if
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Kenneth Walker the third goes down, Kenneth Walker the third
goes down, and I just will have hopefully somebody else
on my bench that does it. You know that that
fills in and just does just as good of a job.
Not putting an all on Zach Charbaday shoulders. But there
are just certain certain backs that I don't think need one.
And then you have a situation like in San Francisco
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where it feels like you can just plug in someone
and have success. It's not everywhere throughout the league that
you can do that, but yeah, I think that that
San Francisco and whether it has been Christian McCaffrey or
you know, your point of when Elijah Mitchell was healthy,
but you know even before that, when Mostert was there, right,
you know, they just had so many different guys that
you just wanted to have. And it almost feels like
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the Mike Shanahan days with Denver that you just needed
to get the backups there just in case somebody went down.
But I don't think you need to do that with
all thirty two teams.
Speaker 1 (04:41):
What's funny is I'm actually thinking with any of these
other squads, I mean, where else would you do that?
Speaker 4 (04:47):
In?
Speaker 1 (04:48):
Uh, well, I mean Detroit. They're two separate guys, yeah,
and both draftable, right, so you know, unless you're just saying,
I'm running out the Detroit running backs of Gibbs and
and my guy Montgomery, you know, then you're probably getting
that handcuffed split. I guess I'd look at I thought, yeah,
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the Rams, I think would be the one the other spot, right,
if you drafted Kien will Karen Williams, that you would
have been looking at Blake Korum.
Speaker 5 (05:19):
Yeah, and and and maybe another one and and again
you're not gonna do this with anyone, like if Saquon
goes down I'm not like I need Kenneth Gainwell, right,
you know, like I need to have him because Jalen
Hurts will just take all of.
Speaker 1 (05:31):
I was gonna say that would suddenly become a much
different split as we've seen in years past.
Speaker 6 (05:37):
Right.
Speaker 1 (05:38):
But yeah, I think the when you look at Shanahan
and you look at McVeigh, those are the two guys
that I think I would be looking at to where
all right, next man up based on the system they run. Otherwise, Now,
I don't I don't think there's anyone that is is obvious.
I think there's more concern of if you may have
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drafted the guy that's now being out snapped and outplayed,
and you might have a little bit of handwringing situations
in a couple of spots around the leagues. But in
terms of the draft preparation, yeah, I don't think that's
very very deep there at all.
Speaker 3 (06:12):
Yeah. I think that the further that we go, the
less you need to do it. So it was so
like if you if you're going out. And the reason
I say that is because I was gonna say, what
about someone like Bucky Irving, you know, like with her
shot way Now, now I kind of feel like even
though Bucky Irving seemed to, you know, have a useful
role at least against Washington he did, it still doesn't
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rise to the level of, Okay, I'm playing Bucky Irving
every week. It's just very few and far between with
certain teams in the NFL.
Speaker 6 (06:41):
Yeah, we'll see.
Speaker 1 (06:41):
I mean week one obviously it's a it's a great
starter set, but depending on the matchup, right, And some
of these became walkovers. So trying to read, you know what,
what was the effective time during I don't want to
say real football because it sounds dismissive because you play
until the final whistle. But let's face it, some of
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these games kind of got out of hand. So maybe
the workload split changes there and expectations they're thereof you know,
it's Week one is always the great liar, for lack
of a better term, right, where we do some excuse
making based on our maybe the draft picks that we've made,
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or or pass successes with the player or whatever, and
it's like, no, no, no, he's got to be better
and the team's gonna be better, and maybe they won't
be but after week one, maybe we do a little
bit of that or if there's somebody that we had,
you know, we we pat ourselves on the back. Right,
if you thought they were gonna have a down year
and they had a bad week, one, Yep, there it is.
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They're trash. Like Nah, the NFL does a lot of
marquee matchup nonsense. I don't necessarily agree with it, because
I think we'd watch any of these teams play a
ham sandwich.
Speaker 6 (07:54):
We're so starved for football.
Speaker 1 (07:57):
But it's the idea of, hey, we get all the
balls we need and for some of these Now you
just go back to our regularly scheduled programming of filling
out the slate with maybe some easier matchups, much like
that Monday night affair. Right, trying to wring our hands
about too much of what the Jets did and didn't do.
They were still facing the co Super Bowl favorite. When
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it's all said none.
Speaker 3 (08:19):
I was gonna say, what are your thoughts then on
CMC going forward?
Speaker 1 (08:25):
Well, I mean, one, we know we can't trust Kyle Shanahan.
I'm sure he'll get a nice call from the Commissioner's
office or whoever tomorrow about this situation with Jordan Mason.
And when you know he was told and the injury designation,
but certainly for McCaffrey. Look, as soon as they started
talking about where on his you know, his leg injuries were,
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and it became a myriad or comma separating different, you know,
parts of an injury history and injury status. I better
make sure I've got another viable back at the ready,
and he'll be sitting as you and I and Ian
we're talking about, you know, as we were getting started.
(09:09):
It's like, you know, you utilize if you have him
in your league, particularly if you have multiple use that
flex position for any guy that's got a red star
next to him.
Speaker 3 (09:18):
Yeah, yeah, I think you have to. There is a
Jets conversation as well. You mentioned Ian so Ian Roddy
are executive Hello, perfect, perfect opportunity. Ian, the great executive
producer of this show, knows all thirty one teams, but
only one is attached to his heart, and that is
the New York Jets. Let's get the post mortem as
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you actually saw. I was gonna say, Aaron Rodgers play
a whole game, but since they pulled him in the
fourth quarter for Torod Taylor, it wasn't a whole game.
But at least he wasn't out on play for your
sorry to make jokes about your misery from a year
ago as well, I'm used to it, but yeah, you're
ware of the Sauce Gardner jersey and he ends up
going you know, out of the.
Speaker 6 (09:58):
Game for your situation there.
Speaker 3 (10:00):
Yeah, yeah, but Jets Jets wise on offense is a
Jets fan, How are you feeling after seeing this Week
one performance?
Speaker 4 (10:07):
I I'm not as discouraged as some Jets fans might be,
just because of the simple fact that it was the
forty nine ers, Like they're just top to bottom, the
best roster in football, so to be honest, I wasn't
like really expecting the Jets to play particularly well against them. Yeah,
but specifically for players. Breice Hall didn't really get much
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running room going, but he still fell into the end
zone for a touchdown, which is you know, good to
see that. You know, even on his poor performances, there's
you know, can be salvaged a little bit. Garrett Wilson
he didn't have a great game, but he was targeted up,
you know, like twelve times, so that was encouraging too.
And then Rogers didn't move around a lot, which isn't
great for fantasy but he had a nice touchdown throw
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to Lazard, and you know, I think he'll be okay
for fantasy. He's not gonna be one of those top options,
but I don't think anybody really expected that out of him.
Speaker 1 (10:58):
Anybody get a get because we didn't have the sound
on in the studio. The explanation as to why that
play wasn't blown dead when dude was five yards in
the defensive backfield.
Speaker 3 (11:08):
Honestly because I think it's Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 4 (11:10):
Yeah, they just gave him the free play.
Speaker 3 (11:12):
Yeah, I honestly thought the same thing Mike Guys, Like
that was any other quarterback, they would have ran in
and tried to protect him. But I didn't think that,
I think because then the stat that they put up,
I mean, they had stats at the ready on free
plays and how Aaron Rodgers leads in all of these stats.
So it's maybe maybe it was something that Sally even
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got in the refs. He was saying like, hey man.
Speaker 4 (11:36):
Hey man, they have a graphic. They have a graphic.
Speaker 1 (11:38):
Yeah, but that looked like it was, you know, the
the classic case of unabated to the quarterback and everybody
stops like the linebacker watches Lazard run past him touchdown.
Speaker 3 (11:50):
He was closer to Rogers than the umpire was, like
that's it was. It was crazy, it truly was, but hey,
it ended up working. And it's one of those things
to where I can't even remember who it was that
jumped off sides.
Speaker 4 (12:04):
I think it was Floyd, was that it was Leonard Floyd,
who ironically was the one who sacked him when he
tore his achilles.
Speaker 3 (12:10):
Then you know, like that's the that's the spot where
you're like, well, now I can't tackle him, you know,
like like definitely, like I'm the last person in the
world that's gonna take a Freelo.
Speaker 4 (12:19):
Did sack him, I think, and I don't don't. Don't
take my word on that, but I'm pretty sure that
Floyd did get a sack on him because I remember
thinking like what was going through his head there?
Speaker 3 (12:28):
Sure, but not not at that play. At that play
you can't be the guy. Then that's unabated to the quarterback.
And then end this season is the second straight year.
Speaker 1 (12:36):
And yeah, he was just so offside, So like, how
is not that's not dead because everybody stops except for
Rogers and Lazard.
Speaker 3 (12:46):
He touchdown Jets Lazard the Lizard pointed up to it
and Rogers hit him. And that's the easiest thing they've
done all night. I'll say this about the Jets. This
by far, it was their toughest game of the year
on the road in San Francisco. When you look at
the rest of their slate. Not to be schedule guy,
but we do that with fantasy foot.
Speaker 1 (13:06):
Get after it next couple of weeks, Stan, Yeah, absolutely right.
Their next three games are all very winnable games, right Tennessee,
that gave away and gifted my Bears. They're one and
zero record as I sit here with a Bears hat
on as we do the podcast. And then they've got
New England and Stevenson and I mean, look, the defense
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will be strong. We'll see what they can muster offensively.
And then they've got Denver, which I don't know what
Denver's going to be. They gave you know, you can
talk about it. You probably watched every play twice against
your Seahawks, but in the end they kept what did
Bonicks have three point three yards per passing attempt?
Speaker 3 (13:48):
Yeah, at one point in the first half, that's what
it was. You know, doing the red Zone show, you
don't get to watch the game as much as you
would like.
Speaker 1 (13:57):
You know so well, but you could be on air
curse about what your team does and doesn't do.
Speaker 3 (14:02):
Well, that's yeah, miserable. Something is that, Hey, can you
talk about the Cowboys and Browns for a second? Big
game that's going on?
Speaker 1 (14:09):
No, no, the Browns didn't show up. Let me go
back to this one over here.
Speaker 3 (14:14):
Oh man, I'll tell you what. It was kind of
a dog window for games, to be honest, this is true.
So but uh, in week two, or I should say,
the first window did provide some craziness and we had
a you know, a late field goal in the Jaguars
Dolphins game. But I don't know, maybe there'll be some
more drama in week two. Well, I'll just I'll finish
this about the Jets point ian and it comes as
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a fantasy perspective. Rogers looks stiff as stiff as heck.
He didn't move at all, And I am curious on
how that's gonna move there throughout the season. Is he's
gonna loose it up? Was he tentative? He just he looked.
His legs were always a factor because he could move,
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You could move in the pocket, he could get a
first down if you needed run out of bounds, do
that sort of thing. And he just looked very, very stiff,
and so I hope he loosens up.
Speaker 4 (15:06):
Even as a fan, whenever he would even try and
move or roll out of the pocket, I was just like,
oh god, you know, just go down, Like I just
don't want to deal with that anxiety this season, and
it's gonna be a huge factor the whole the whole season.
Speaker 1 (15:18):
So yeah, well you gotta wonder if he's got the
mental block right of you know, testing your leg that way.
I feel like he has to, right because I mean,
we like get to put it in the competitive stuff.
I watched my daughter's you know, soccer squad and the
kids with their leg injuries coming back off injuries, like
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you know, they had one that tore hminniscus, another that
was in a walking boot because of their ankle for
a couple of weeks, and then you watch them play
for the first month or so and they're reticent to
cut redit, reticent to kind of bad ball out and
like they've got one of their girls who's finally healthy,
I think for the first time in a full calendar,
and she's running rough shit over people like she's been
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shot out of a cannon. Sure, and all of a
sudden everything's right. So for Aaron Rodgers, part of that,
you know, just trusting your leg again and eventually I
guess you're gonna get chased down by a guy like
Floyd to where you're there's there's gonna be a fight
or flight response anyway.
Speaker 3 (16:18):
So yeah, I mean, it's you're gonna have to otherwise
you're not gonna make it.
Speaker 6 (16:23):
Yeah, that's inasing. Well, you could do the Peyton Manning move.
Speaker 1 (16:25):
You know, like those little toys you used to have
where you press the bottom and the legs would collapse
and then you let it out and they spring back tada.
That's kind of what Manning did for years. I mean,
I guess Rogers could use that move.
Speaker 3 (16:37):
Uh, he's Mike Carmon, I'm Dan Baya. You heard the
voice of Ian Roddy, our executive producer. Our quick recap
of what was Monday Night Football. We'll take a bigger
look at what happened in Week one of the NFL season,
specifically what happened at the quarterbacking position and if you
felt the pain of your quarterback not showing up You're
not alone. That's next here and I want your flex.
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Hit me up at Dan Byron Fox, get Mike at
Swollen Dome. It is I want your flex. He's Mike Harmon,
I'm Dan Byer. Executive producer is Ian Roddy. I've got
to say, Mike, I wasn't happy with my quarterback play
in some of my leagues. I do have Josh Allen
in one league, so I was fine with that, but
there were other spots. Trevor Lawrence underwhelming. I was hoping
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a little bit more from him, and Jacksonville's lost to Miami. CJ.
Stroud had a nice game, but I thought, man, I
feel like I'm missing out. I don't know if I
was missing out, because it doesn't seem my quarterback play
was great around Week one.
Speaker 1 (17:33):
Fantasy wise, we have six quarterbacks finished with more than
twenty Fantasy points this week, one of which was Derek Carr,
who passed for about four yards and three touchdowns in
that blowout win over Carolina. Okay, I exaggerate a bit,
but Josh Allen, Baker Mayfield, Jaden Daniels mostly with his legs,
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Anthony Richardson on the strength of his legs, and two
giant passes to Alec Pearce and then Jackson going back
to the season opener, those are your top five, with
Derek Carr coming in six. Your guy Gino Smith was
at number seven.
Speaker 3 (18:07):
There, Dan help, So do you have a thirty four
yard touchdown run? You know, like it does, but like CJ.
Stroud was, he had a you know, big play to
Nico Collins, had a couple of touchdown passes and then
you thinking like, okay, it was probably around two ninety
at the point, and then you're like, wait a second, No,
he wasn't. And it just funky week. And especially if
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I don't want to say if he had the guts
mic to start Jayden Daniels because I think he was
borderline starter for the twelve team like that really paid off.
But man, the names that we had that you expected
from from certain people, Kyler Murray, you know, I thought
maybe a Buffalo's defense would be susceptible, and he wasn't
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necessarily there. For as good as the you know, we
thought that the Chiefs were. Patrick Mahomes didn't have the
huge game as we thought Dak against the Browns. For
as great as the Cowboys were, his numbers weren't great,
just a very funky week.
Speaker 1 (19:03):
In that Aspen Super Toe, right, Dak Prescott was eighteenth
with one hundred and seventy nine passing yards in that game.
Gino was right behind him at one seventy one. But
you only had two guys Eclipse three hundred yards, Tua
and Stafford, each of which threw one touchdown pass. He
obviously had Baker with his four he was at two
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eighty nine, so that's the one that I think kind
of stands out. Mahomes got to two ninety one, but
just the singular touchdown, and that was kind of the theme
the Kyler Murray effort. Interesting because we get over the
total with sixty two points scored in that game, but
one hundred and sixty two in a touchdown, added fifty
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seven rushing yards to give you a little bit of juice,
But otherwise, I mean, certainly not the performance you expected
to the I think Daniel Jeremiah and Matt Mney Smith
used the term so approp brittley calling the Raiders and
Chargers game the rock fight. Justin Herbert one hundred forty
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four yards passing and then one of the more disappointing performances,
and it was against tough defense, so I wasn't expecting
him to be overwhelming, as we talked about last week,
you know, doing our rankings and setting up the week.
But Kirk Cousins one hundred and fifty five passing yards, Yeah,
just a dismal performance. My favorite though, was the shot
chart of Justin Fields. He gets the start and not
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really surprising, but he didn't complete a pass over the
middle of the field. Everything was to the edges, which
was kind of interesting, not you know, non fantasy in
the moment, but just kind of an interesting observational thing.
But overall, I mean Sam Darnold two eight and two.
Richardson we talked about with the numbers Golf only through
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for two seventeen.
Speaker 3 (20:51):
You know, Richardson is interesting because I was even texting
with a buddy as it was happening, and we're usually
making jokes about our own team, and he has Anthony
Richardson and he's like, yeah, I'm sure the twenty five
yards per completion average is really gonna gonna continue. But
but like you know, that's I guess that's kind of
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like my question with all of this. You know, Seattle,
what they used to do is there would be a
lot of there'd be a lot of play action with
Russell Wilson, and then he would take at least three
or four shots down the field. Whether a card or
not didn't matter. You're also hoping for a pass interference. Sure,
no scenario, and I almost kind of feel like that's
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gonna be the same thing with the Colts. It's just
nothing changed with Anthony Richardson from the preseason in my mind,
except the fact that he made it through Week one
without an injury and that you hope that he can
continue to perform like that. But even in the loss,
it felt like Colts fans felt it was a win
for how Anthony Richardson performed and he completed nine passes,
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right like you know, like that's it's just it's it's
crazy for me to think, but on a fantasy perspective,
that's all that you want from the guy.
Speaker 1 (22:03):
Yeah, you had the two massive plays to Alec Pierce
who had three catches on his three targets for one
hundred and twenty five yards, and then you had the
fifty four yard pass to Ashton Doolan. Pittman was a
non factor. Ad Ni Mitchell who we talked about a
little bit in the preseason. Five targets, one catch, two
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yards and Jonathan Taylor, who historically would have given you
the play action option, you know, by running all over
the Houston Texans as he's done so many times, sixteen
for forty eight. No balance there against Houston this time out.
Great game, fun game, sustainable. Hell no, so's it'll It'll
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be curious to see how this gets refined the fact
that Pittman just had the four for thirty one and
good job by you know, the defense and what they
set out to do with Houston, no question about it.
But yeah, Richardson's won those guys. Look, I was down
on him. I know he was season wide. I saw
him top six, top seven, and a lot of fantasy rankings.
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I still would be surprised if we saw him play
more than thirteen or fourteen games stylistically, But from week one, hey,
you got your returns if you had the guts to
play him.
Speaker 3 (23:20):
Here's here's here's my concern with Richardson. Number one, the
Texans had the ball for forty minutes during the game.
They outsnapped the Colt seventy six to forty three, and
so you look at how the Texans wanted to play
the game, and they played it their way. But it's
also if if you don't get those bombs, Mike, I
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don't know. I don't know, like how many snaps you're
you're getting And if that is your offense, is this
now going to be a scenario where your defense is
on the field a lot more. Yeah, because that's the
only way that you could really generate you know, Michael
Pittman Junior was a guy that we, you know, really
liked coming into the season, and that's not Michael Pittman
Junior's game. And so if you're if the only way
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that you're gonna get yards passing the ball is chucking
at sixty yards downfield, I don't know how your offense
and defense working concert And maybe that that affects Jonathan Taylor.
So Richardson may get his, but I don't know if
it's great for the Colts. And to that point, then
if you're the Colts, do you need to switch stuff up?
A lot of questions, especially too, because they have the
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Bears coming up, they have the Steelers, a couple of
tough defenses, so it's not gonna get any easier for
Anthony Richardson early in the season.
Speaker 1 (24:33):
Well, if you saw anything out of the Chicago game,
I mean, the defense was swarming. They did everything Eberflus preached.
And certainly one of the notes in between, you know,
his beard grooming on hard knocks, was just the aggressiveness
and ball hawking, trying to get back to Bears teams
of old. So a little bit of that, and certainly
Will Levis doing his best. And I feel bad making
(24:55):
the analogy because you know, we more in the passing
of James Earl Jones at ninety three. But when Levis
threw that ill fated interception that was returned for a touchdown,
he dropped to his knees and put his arms up.
I thought of the Darth Vader moment where he yells no.
Speaker 6 (25:12):
Ah, So there you have it there.
Speaker 1 (25:14):
But that that is to say, you know, with with
Houston and Indianapolis, this is you know, this is the
first of many battles between these two.
Speaker 6 (25:23):
This is this will be fun to watch it. Shake down.
Speaker 1 (25:28):
Surprised that Joe Mixon was able to run thirty times
for one hundred and fifty nine you heard it. But yeah,
we'll talk about him another time. But yeah, if going
for the downs is the only way, and I mentioned
downs because well, Josh Downs didn't play, so there's another
member of the receiving corps that they'll get back for Indy.
But you know, no balance, and this game was never
out of sorts, right, They were never down to where
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it's like, all right, we're just chucking because we need
to because we're down three touchdowns.
Speaker 3 (25:55):
Yeah, it felt it, you know, it felt like the
Texans are keeping them at bay, and then Richardson would
really back in with a big play you know here there,
and so then the Texans would have to drive down
the field and go and score again to try to
keep him at But that was kind of the sense
that I got of this game. It's funny that you
mentioned the Titans because that's the other quarterback, not will
Levis Id. We want to talk about kayleb Williams. But
(26:15):
before we talked about kyleab Williams, did you hear Brian
Callahan's comments on Monday in talking about their offense. I'm
going to paraphrase because I don't have it word for word,
but he joked that their defense was playing very well
in the game, and he joked he said, we probably
should have punted it on twenty ten because, you know,
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the Bear the only offense that the Bears are. The
only points the Bears offense actually contributed to the scoreboard
was the two point conversion from Kayleb Williams to DeAndre Swift.
Otherwise it was a bunch of Santos field goals and
the two defensive scores. But I mean, like, I thought
that was hilarious. I thought it was an awful indictment
on will Levis that you'd rather punt on first and dead.
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I know he was trying to compliment his defense, but
I think he would want that one back. But we're
not even talking about will Levis. What do you think
of Caleb Williams's debut, the fourteen to twenty nine for
ninety three yards.
Speaker 1 (27:12):
You know, it's hard to give it the ringing endorsement,
but maybe glass half full guy coming out of it,
certainly for fantasy purposes, a dismal effort for you know
that he didn't use his legs a ton, except for
the twenty yard sack that he took, you know, the
welcome to NFL speed moment. Yeah, you know, things you
could do in college that you can't do in the
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pros that they will find you like a heat seeking missile.
You know that that'll get better a couple of missed opportunities,
you know, throws, a couple of balls batted down at
the line. That was a bit concerning arm angle and
and just kind of the read there. But m Keenan
Allen dropped a shirt touchdown, right, and you know, all
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the highlight films we could we could show him taking
the sack. We could show maybe not having proper touch
to the edges at times and whatever. I don't know
that the Keenan Allen drop made it into a bunch
of those cuts because that touchdown gets scored. I'm not
saying it erases everything. And maybe he passes for one
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hundred and fifty yards because he finds some guy. I
don't know, but you know, when you have the goose egg,
it's a lot easier. And then you get Callahan come
over the top that kind of you know, while slapping
his own quarterback kind of does a three stooges thing.
Because Caleb Williams is getting some of the residual coming
out of us, right, So losing Roma dunes the certainly
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is not gonna help. He's got an MRI scheduled and
might miss some time because of a knee injury where
he got rolled up on a play on the edge
later on in the game. But all that to say,
it can't get any worse. I mean, even against a
Houston team that will certainly be swarming, and I can't
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wait to see what Demico Ryans and his staff put
together for him. But Keenan Allen's not going to drop
that ball again. He had eleven targets, was invisible right.
The tight ends a lot of blocking, certainly, the aggressiveness
of the Tennessee front, and the fact that the Bear's
got nothing out of the running game until late, like
DeAndre Swift basically couldn't fall forward the first three quarters
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of the game. He ends up with I guess reasonable
enough stat line off a couple of runs in the fourth,
So you know it's I'm not saying all of a sudden,
I'm thrusting him in the lineups. Look, I had him
in the Guillotine League and I survived in spite of him,
but with Derek Carr on the bench. Not that I
wanted Derek Carr in any game, but yeah, there it
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is that that's what happens in a guillotine league of
eighteen teams, but for Caleb Williams uneven. But the defense
special team is gonna save your bacon. So from a
football standpoint, they're gonna be dangerous enough to steal a
couple of games like that. From a fantasy standpoint, he's
fixed permanently on my bench until you see some level
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of consistency.
Speaker 3 (30:07):
Yeah, I'm with you on that, because you likely took him.
And then he said, well, I got to get somebody
else in case this doesn't work out. Let's have some fun.
Let's play Caleb Williams week one. And then you saw
what week one is, and I said, okay, let's let's
drive the Let's let's drive the other car for the winter,
and we'll bring out the Lamborghini in summer on Sundays
and maybe we'll let somebody else handle this for a while.
(30:28):
I think, yeah, that's exactly what you do.
Speaker 1 (30:30):
Yeah, I mean at the other part, Dan is you know,
as we talk about you know, game planning and scheming
or whatever, it's a lot of time to prepare for
an individual and and for some of these teams, you know,
you get these marquee matchups like the Jets, as we
were talking about with the in the first segment, right,
it's the all right, you've got the forty nine ers
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marquee game week one, unsteady, you know, unsure your quarterback
comes in Now, Did I expect him to get punched
in the mouth and run over like they did by
the forty hours. No, but you're not facing anybody better
likewise week one. They've had everything they could possibly do
to try to get themselves off on the right foot
to scheme you up, whether it's looking at your college
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film or whatever you put on tape last year. There's
not a lot of surprises, so you know, better days,
I guess would be the.
Speaker 6 (31:23):
Spot for that.
Speaker 3 (31:24):
I don't know if you share this opinion, but I'm
gonna just end it with this. Yeah, if you have
Caleb Williams on your bench, you're not gonna get screwed
by sitting him and him throwing for three hundred yards
and four touchdowns. Because I don't think that game is
in concert with the Bears defense. We were just talking
about the Colts offense and what you know, the stress
(31:45):
that it puts on their defense. We know the Bear
strength is their defense. Does the Bears no good for
Caleb Williams to throw for three hundred and fifty yards
and four touchdowns to get in a track meet. So
the game that Caleb Williams does break out, it's probably
not gonna be that big, so you don't have to
miss it. Whereas like Jayden Daniels, if you benched him
this past week, you're like, crap, he had two touchdowns
and a bunch of rushing yards and you know, you know,
(32:06):
and he may have more of those. I just don't
see that game with Caleb Williams. For the breakout game.
He'll have a two seventy game and two touchdowns and
then you could kind of be like, Okay, I feel
comfortable playing with him, but I don't think you're gonna
get that that one off three point thirty four TD
game that's gonna make you kick yourself.
Speaker 1 (32:24):
Yeah, I think, you know, look, and if it pops,
it pops. But looking for that consistently, it's it's not
going to be there.
Speaker 6 (32:32):
That's not the identity.
Speaker 1 (32:34):
But you know, a point I made in the twitterse Instagram,
whatever else.
Speaker 6 (32:38):
We were kind of wrapped up.
Speaker 1 (32:40):
In a lot of the smith and I on the
Monday show, so we didn't get deep into in the
Bears chatter. But for Caleb Williams must have been a
really interesting thing going on in his head. Since he
carried the asses of everybody at USC for a couple
of years, try to put up as many points and
getting no defensive help and now having that come back
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the other way. That had to be a really odd
experience for him. Yeah, and probably very welcome for once.
Speaker 3 (33:07):
Actually. I like to see him how excited he was
after the win. Yeah, you know like that. That was
good to see. He's Mike Carmen, I'm Dan Byer it is.
I want your flex all right now. We're gonna get
you set for week two when we come back. Mike's
got some waiver wire names, guys you got to pick up.
And I'm gonna tell you about Survivor in week one
and boy what a week when it was. That's next
here on. I want your flex all right with week
(33:28):
one of the books. I don't know if we know
more or less than we do from prior to week one, Mike, Yeah,
because it's when you get the week two. Sometimes it's
a little tricky, but there are some injuries you mentioned
the Rome. With Dunze injury, we have pukin Dakua. It's
gonna be on IR. Packers are saying what they're saying
about Jordan Love, I'd be shocked if he played against
the Colts. Doesn't look like he's going to be going
(33:49):
on IR at least that was the early message from
Matt Lafleur. I don't know if how those guys play
into your waiver wire selections, but who do we target
on the waiver wire in week two?
Speaker 1 (33:59):
Certainly have to decide whether laflor lies like Shanahan got
to listen to the whole show, the whole podcast. From
the quarterback position, you know, you got two guys that
had big weeks who are basically unowned in a lot
of Fantasy league at Baker Mayfield and Derek Carr. But
you look at the next matchups. You know, Baker's at Detroit,
(34:19):
it should be able to move the ball. We saw
Stafford in the Rams even with just Cooper Cup have
success to eighty nine and four was the stat line
for Baker. Opportunity here on the road at Detroit. For
Derek Carr maybe not as excitable. It's not Carolina, No
it's a road trip to Dallas where we saw Michael
Parsons and company flying around, but again unowned in a
(34:42):
ton of leagues. Now, part of it is looking at
your roster management and your bench and playing defense, seeing
how many viable quarterbacks are there on a week to
week basis, because we start seeing injuries mount and those
things thin out quickly, maybe giving you a trade opportunity.
And finally, I don't know what the deal is with
(35:02):
Russell Wilson. Mike Tomlin says, Tuesday Wednesday will get a
better picture, you know, ask me that question. But justin fields,
wasn't earth shattering, a world beating, but maybe an opportunity
against a Denver defense on the road running back position,
Tank Bigsby had a pretty decent game for Jacksonville there
(35:23):
on the road at Cleveland or that home against Cleveland,
I should say, But twelve carries seventy three yards for him.
Speaker 6 (35:29):
JK.
Speaker 1 (35:29):
Dobbins is going to be the bell of the ball.
Gus Edwards would have been the draft pick, and maybe
you shy it away, but take a look see in
your in your waiver wire. For Dobbins, two big runs
made up a lot of his effort. In Week one,
but one hundred and thirty five yards. This was a guy,
highly coveted, highly touted back in Baltimore, just hasn't been
(35:50):
able to stay healthy. So an opportunity there. We have
to say Mason's name just because yeah, right, yeah, take
a look. See, odds are he was rostered if you're
in deeper leagues, but you know, you never can't tell
Alexander Madison. Going back to Las Vegas for a minute,
(36:10):
I know a lot of people excitable about Zamir White,
but you know, the average draft position of him told
you how much people were excited about a his potential
and be what they thought of the Raiders. He was
about the thirtieth running back drafted on average. So Madison
comes over from Minnesota, shows a little bit of something
you mentioned Bucky Irving earlier on as we were talking Dan.
(36:35):
You know he's a guy that Rashad White is the
one for now, but a workload split certainly can play
out there as well, Isaiah likely going all the way
back to Thursday, odds are everybody's already put their claim in,
but he was virtually unowned despite all of our attempts
to try to wear sandwich boards and support him before
(36:56):
the season.
Speaker 3 (36:57):
You were on it. You were on it for sure,
one hundred percent.
Speaker 6 (37:00):
All right.
Speaker 1 (37:00):
Finally, let's get a couple of wide outs in here.
Johnson and Robinson pick your poison for the Rams with
Nikua out Johnson five for seventy nine. Some think that Robinson,
DeMarcus Robinson will be the guy that picks up a
larger part. Now it's just a matter of seeing if
you can win one off your free agent acquisition budget there.
(37:22):
I think I leaned towards Robinson myself based on the
expectations Brandon Cooks while he's playing an upright for the
Cowboys four catches forty yards of touch on Jake Ferguson
got hurt by the way as well. So that's another
piece to the puzzle. As we look at the tight ends,
maybe you're looking towards the fun world of the split
(37:48):
tight end position in New Orleans and trying to pick
your poison there. You can go down that road if
you feel it, but otherwise, you know, we're looking at
trying to find some value here.
Speaker 6 (38:01):
You've got the.
Speaker 1 (38:03):
Raiders tight ends would have both been drafted Kolby Parkinson
was a guy we mentioned last week as a sleeper,
did have five targets, so potential for him to maybe
take on a role with the Rams as well. Higbe's
not expected back anytime soon, so opportunity perhaps there. And
then really it's slim pickens down down the line. That's
(38:26):
where we start looking at the Noah Fance and others.
He had four targets in that game against Denver, but
maybe a guy that can pick up a bigger role
as well. But that's a lot of mouths to feed
there in Seattle, so tough to think that on a
week to week basis, you're getting enough targets.
Speaker 3 (38:42):
Yeah, interesting spot with the Seahawks. I can tell you
that the dk Metcalf and Jackson Smith and Jigba performances
were anything but enticing. But they needed Kenneth Walker the
third in that second half, and that's what he brought him.
Speaker 6 (38:57):
Got that big catch from Tyler Lockett though, so you
got that.
Speaker 3 (39:00):
Yeah, he got game ball for it too.
Speaker 1 (39:02):
Yeah. I saw the video that was pretty good. The
final guy and this is the all right, let's just
recognize it for what it is. He may not be
viable with any other quarterback in the world, but Alan
Lazard he got the freeb touchdown, but he also had
a pretty good target count, right, nine targets for the
Jets against San Francisco. I mean, he becomes the security
(39:25):
blanket for Aaron Rodgers, right. Garrett Wilson is.
Speaker 6 (39:29):
The world beater.
Speaker 1 (39:30):
He's an you know, he's an ace. He is an
elite wide receiver. But you always need to have that
trusty checkdown number two guy, where you know where he is,
where you're gonna be able to move the sticks. You're
not gonna get to the you know, lofty eighty nine
and two stat line with regularity. But as long as
he's healthy, Lazard, I think you're probably gonna see six
(39:51):
to eight targets a week, So you know, on the
Ronco WR three, set it and forget it.
Speaker 6 (39:57):
You could do worse.
Speaker 3 (39:58):
When you look at Mike Williams, I'm sure he was taken,
yeah in drafts, but when you see that distribution, he
and hecked the Jets fan, I mean, yeah, go Eddian,
you know like I mean, like, are you like, gosh,
darn it, just throw just throw it to him. Are
you fine with Rogers just locking in on Wilson and
Lazard and Breese Hall for the entire game.
Speaker 4 (40:21):
I was fine with whatever Rogers wanted to do. And
plus Williams is coming off a season ending injury. I
think he tore his acl last year, so he's still
easing his way back in. For him to not really
be involved this week, I wasn't too shocked about it.
I actually do think down the line he's going to
become a much more reliable target. I do like what
you were saying about Alan Lazard though, Mike, because he
(40:42):
did kind of just fall into two touchdowns today and
eighty nine yards not bad.
Speaker 1 (40:46):
Yeah, I mean look in the end with Williams, we
watched it here in Los Angeles for years. There's going
to be a couple of games where he sets the
world a blaze. Right, can high point the ball as
well as anybody. I think for the Jets, he be comes,
for lack of a better comparison, let's cross sports. He
becomes the power forward in the low post, turn and dunk. Yeah,
(41:08):
and I think for red zone purposes, assuming you're getting
to the red zone there, Ian he's gonna be a
guy that'll be a factor then. But riding him week
in week out, I think he's going to be a
tough order.
Speaker 4 (41:21):
Yeah, it's it's yucky for sure. It's yucky to own
him and to start him. He even had a few
drops tonight, at least one agreed toous one on third down.
Speaker 3 (41:29):
So well, there they are your waiver wire pickups to
get your set for Week two. I want to end
with some Survivor talk. Oh, let's go two points I
need to make. Not the TV show which debuts next week,
another season on CBS.
Speaker 6 (41:44):
What do we ad like fifty seven?
Speaker 3 (41:46):
It's not fifty yet, but it's like forty seven forty
eight because there's gonna be a fiftieth season coming up,
like not this season, but the next season. Again, it's
the only show my wife and I actually watch when
it airs. Oh wow, only one that everything else would
be DVRD. But it's the one that we watch live
Wednesday night's eight o'clock here on the West Coast. When
I'm talking about Survivor pools, if you remember, on the
(42:08):
pod that dropped on Friday or Week one that we
taped on the Thursday night into Friday morning, we had
said some things, made some predictions, one of which was
I texted you guys on Friday that I was changing
my Panther Saints pick. You guys know why. I don't
need to announce it on this podcast, but tell you what,
it's one of the smartest things I ever did. So
(42:29):
I ended up going with the Saints, and I apologize
for giving any Panthers direction, but I also said at
the time, take the Bengals are your safe pick in
the survivor pool. And if you ever had that epiphany,
Mike where you're just like, oh my gosh, I didn't
see it. I didn't see it until now, like my goodness,
And I explained this on the Sunday Show. That's how
(42:50):
we felt Friday with the Bengals, Like, why in the
world would I think that they'd be ready to play
for a football game when all we've been talking about
all off season are their wide receivers wanting more money
and that's not focused on a championship. And t Higgins
pops up on the injury report and you have Jamar
(43:12):
Chase limited, Higgins is considered then doubtful. We find out
later on Friday. I completely went the other way. Not
that I thought the Patriots would actually win the game,
but in terms of covering the spread, I'm like, give
me New England, you.
Speaker 1 (43:25):
Know, well getting the seven and a half or or
whatever it was. Yeah, depending on where you're shopping.
Speaker 3 (43:30):
Then they go out and they win the game and
destroying survivor pools the big circa you know, fourteen million
dollars pool right, thirty four point three percent head Cincinnati. Wow,
thirty four percent done by four o'clock Eastern time. They
(43:51):
started with fourteen thousand, two hundred entries. I believe fourteen
two oh six was the actual number. Four thousand, eight
and ninety five went out with that one. Falcons were
the next one out of only three percent four hundred
and thirty one entries. But that's what the Bengals lost
did in survivor pools. People were saved by your Bears comeback, Mike,
(44:15):
the Bills come back against the Cardinals. That that was
a big sigh of relief for some. The Dolphins wasn't
maybe a game that you would normally pick, but they
had a comeback to keep some entries. But yeah, thirty
four percent of survivor pools. And by the way, that
number is for pools that I'm in and others that
I've talked to. It's around anywhere from thirty to thirty
(44:38):
five percent with the Bengals getting knocked out.
Speaker 1 (44:39):
So that's just pretty amazing. Yeah, But I mean just
a great job defensively. But all the noise, right, it's
all about We talked about it Smith and I a
little on the Monday Show as the Monday Night game
was wrapping. You know, two very different ways of noise
being handled, right. The Jets created a bunch kind of
talking up their defense, talking up all the the return
(45:00):
and the expectations with Rogers, and they got run over
forty nine ers. Everybody wondering, ow is it going to work? Well,
they paid their two guys. Sure, So while it was
eleventh hour and whatever, they came out and handled business likewise.
Jerry Jones handed Dak Prescott a giant check. All's right
with the world with the Bengals, same old money management.
(45:22):
You did mention the Bears saving folks on the Survivor week.
You just got to give Ian the nod, right because
his you know, pickup and streamer d for the week
and week one of the pod was the Bears and
you want to talk about putting up a fantasy point
total depending on scoring. Look, they were first regardless, but
(45:44):
for some that helped you overcome some of the crappy
performances by quarterbacks or non starters elsewhere.
Speaker 3 (45:53):
I started the Bears Bears one of my leagues, and
if I didn't start the Bears, I likely would have lost.
Speaker 6 (46:00):
So good work.
Speaker 3 (46:01):
I Ian Roddy won for one.
Speaker 4 (46:03):
And you only started them because I advised you.
Speaker 3 (46:05):
Absolutely absolutely, you know you made the recommendation. I think
I did say on the pod that I would stream
them in week one, but I'm keeping them for for
as long as forever.
Speaker 4 (46:18):
So that's the fun thing about week one is you
kind of have guys defenses on the waiver wire that
shouldn't necessarily be there, and that.
Speaker 1 (46:24):
Is that one didn't seem like it should have been there.
I just got to say rosted leagues though they were
you know, shocker.
Speaker 3 (46:31):
Yeah. Yeah, well, good work, good work all around. Harmon
nail Josh Allen is the top quarterback for UH for
Week one.
Speaker 1 (46:39):
I got Nailer in as a sleeper. That was the
one that I was most proud of. Good one, not
a big day, but he found the end zone.
Speaker 3 (46:45):
And I'll tell you what you know, Tyreek Hill, you
know obviously the top five, but you also had Mike Evans.
So you had Mike Evans in your top five. He
was borderline, so he was he was right there that
he was five or six. So that was a good
call on on one, not Mike Evans. And uh yeah,
so I can give a tip of the cap to you.
And you also nailed Kirk Cousins being the coltsar because
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he was cold for the Atlanta.
Speaker 6 (47:07):
Fl Frosty talked about.
Speaker 1 (47:09):
And if they didn't call a bunch of penalties on
TJ Watt, it would are Yeah, on TJ WAT it
would have been worse.
Speaker 3 (47:14):
And you nailed Ayuk because you can only had two
catches for the forty nine ers on Monday Night.
Speaker 6 (47:18):
I should have had a touchdown catch Peyton.
Speaker 3 (47:21):
Yeah, but he did exactly. All Right, that's it for us.
We're gonna be back with a Wednesday episode. Then we'll
have our week two preview on Friday and Mike's rankings
and the hot plays and coldsores and and everything you
need to get you set for Sunday and Monday of
week two. So for Ian Roddy, our executive producer, and
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Don't worry. End of the podcast. We're gonna get your
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(00:55):
We kind of got to start where we ended week one,
and that was Monday night football. And it may not
have anything to do with any of the players that
actually played, because I know Christian McCaffrey probably ruined a
lot of fantasy lineups when we found out that he
was not going to be playing ninety minutes before kickoff
on Monday.
Speaker 1 (01:12):
You want to talk about a kick in the teeth, right,
I'm getting ready to get in the car and rally
up to the Fox Sports radio studios, and that comes across,
and I immediately text my partner in crime during the week,
Jason Smith, big Jets fan for those unaware, and he
just gets absolutely giddy. He posted some ridiculous thing in
(01:32):
the Twitter verse of an expectation of Rogers' stat line.
We'll get to that in a minute. But McCaffrey going
down becomes the all right scramble drill to the waiver
wire or to benches, depending on how you set up
your squad, whether Jordan Mason, who ends up being a
star for the day, was available, or if your roster
(01:53):
was already locked to the point where you couldn't do anything.
So I mean the Monday night football, it was the
worst of all circumstance. This is the number one overall
player in fantasy football and a Monday night game in
leaving you with very few options by which to make amends,
and certainly any gap you were trying to close, and
(02:15):
you were making the assumption the ronco said it, and
forget it that even against a tough Jets defense, I'm
going to catch six to eight passes. I'm going to
pile up eighty total yards and get my thirteen fourteen points.
And as a base yeah, you had none of it.
So yeah, kicking the teeth for fantasy owners, which after
what was a pretty difficult week overall with some of
(02:38):
the star power loss due to injury.
Speaker 3 (02:40):
Yeah, I was gonna say this, if you had Christian McCaffrey,
is it a given nowadays to handcuff with Jordan Mason? Right?
Speaker 1 (02:48):
Well, look I did it before they sent him to IR.
I had Eli Mitchell, right, who looked like depending on
when you drafted, right, I guess is the thing because
I was actually a draft where I took Mitchell and
he was kind of questionable, and before the end of
that round someone went and took Jordan Mason, and then
(03:08):
eventually Mitchell's injury. Maybe maybe he had the inside dope,
but he ends up going to IR instead of being
a all right, we'll just mountitor it week to week
and then Mason has this type of game. But yeah,
just in general, with McCaffrey, I think I think to
that in the last couple of years, I would have
been doing that based on his injury history, if I
was going to go in for him in round one.
Speaker 3 (03:30):
Yeah, I think that you have to, and I don't
think that you can do that with every running back
in the National Football League right For example, like I
have Kenneth Walker the third. Last year, I made sure
that I got Zach Charboney and was like, all right,
I'm set there. If he goes down this year, I'm like, don't.
I don't really need to do that. I don't if
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Kenneth Walker the third goes down, Kenneth Walker the third
goes down, and I just will have hopefully somebody else
on my bench that does it. You know that that
fills in and just does just as good of a job.
Not putting an all on Zach Charbaday shoulders. But there
are just certain certain backs that I don't think need one.
And then you have a situation like in San Francisco
(04:12):
where it feels like you can just plug in someone
and have success. It's not everywhere throughout the league that
you can do that, but yeah, I think that that
San Francisco and whether it has been Christian McCaffrey or
you know, your point of when Elijah Mitchell was healthy,
but you know even before that, when Mostert was there, right,
you know, they just had so many different guys that
you just wanted to have. And it almost feels like
(04:34):
the Mike Shanahan days with Denver that you just needed
to get the backups there just in case somebody went down.
But I don't think you need to do that with
all thirty two teams.
Speaker 1 (04:41):
What's funny is I'm actually thinking with any of these
other squads, I mean, where else would you do that?
Speaker 4 (04:47):
In?
Speaker 1 (04:48):
Uh, well, I mean Detroit. They're two separate guys, yeah,
and both draftable, right, so you know, unless you're just saying,
I'm running out the Detroit running backs of Gibbs and
and my guy Montgomery, you know, then you're probably getting
that handcuffed split. I guess I'd look at I thought, yeah,
(05:11):
the Rams, I think would be the one the other spot, right,
if you drafted Kien will Karen Williams, that you would
have been looking at Blake Korum.
Speaker 5 (05:19):
Yeah, and and and maybe another one and and again
you're not gonna do this with anyone, like if Saquon
goes down I'm not like I need Kenneth Gainwell, right,
you know, like I need to have him because Jalen
Hurts will just take all of.
Speaker 1 (05:31):
I was gonna say that would suddenly become a much
different split as we've seen in years past.
Speaker 6 (05:37):
Right.
Speaker 1 (05:38):
But yeah, I think the when you look at Shanahan
and you look at McVeigh, those are the two guys
that I think I would be looking at to where
all right, next man up based on the system they run. Otherwise, Now,
I don't I don't think there's anyone that is is obvious.
I think there's more concern of if you may have
(05:58):
drafted the guy that's now being out snapped and outplayed,
and you might have a little bit of handwringing situations
in a couple of spots around the leagues. But in
terms of the draft preparation, yeah, I don't think that's
very very deep there at all.
Speaker 3 (06:12):
Yeah. I think that the further that we go, the
less you need to do it. So it was so
like if you if you're going out. And the reason
I say that is because I was gonna say, what
about someone like Bucky Irving, you know, like with her
shot way Now, now I kind of feel like even
though Bucky Irving seemed to, you know, have a useful
role at least against Washington he did, it still doesn't
(06:33):
rise to the level of, Okay, I'm playing Bucky Irving
every week. It's just very few and far between with
certain teams in the NFL.
Speaker 6 (06:41):
Yeah, we'll see.
Speaker 1 (06:41):
I mean week one obviously it's a it's a great
starter set, but depending on the matchup, right, And some
of these became walkovers. So trying to read, you know what,
what was the effective time during I don't want to
say real football because it sounds dismissive because you play
until the final whistle. But let's face it, some of
(07:03):
these games kind of got out of hand. So maybe
the workload split changes there and expectations they're thereof you know,
it's Week one is always the great liar, for lack
of a better term, right, where we do some excuse
making based on our maybe the draft picks that we've made,
(07:24):
or or pass successes with the player or whatever, and
it's like, no, no, no, he's got to be better
and the team's gonna be better, and maybe they won't
be but after week one, maybe we do a little
bit of that or if there's somebody that we had,
you know, we we pat ourselves on the back. Right,
if you thought they were gonna have a down year
and they had a bad week, one, Yep, there it is.
(07:45):
They're trash. Like Nah, the NFL does a lot of
marquee matchup nonsense. I don't necessarily agree with it, because
I think we'd watch any of these teams play a
ham sandwich.
Speaker 6 (07:54):
We're so starved for football.
Speaker 1 (07:57):
But it's the idea of, hey, we get all the
balls we need and for some of these Now you
just go back to our regularly scheduled programming of filling
out the slate with maybe some easier matchups, much like
that Monday night affair. Right, trying to wring our hands
about too much of what the Jets did and didn't do.
They were still facing the co Super Bowl favorite. When
(08:18):
it's all said none.
Speaker 3 (08:19):
I was gonna say, what are your thoughts then on
CMC going forward?
Speaker 1 (08:25):
Well, I mean, one, we know we can't trust Kyle Shanahan.
I'm sure he'll get a nice call from the Commissioner's
office or whoever tomorrow about this situation with Jordan Mason.
And when you know he was told and the injury designation,
but certainly for McCaffrey. Look, as soon as they started
talking about where on his you know, his leg injuries were,
(08:48):
and it became a myriad or comma separating different, you know,
parts of an injury history and injury status. I better
make sure I've got another viable back at the ready,
and he'll be sitting as you and I and Ian
we're talking about, you know, as we were getting started.
(09:09):
It's like, you know, you utilize if you have him
in your league, particularly if you have multiple use that
flex position for any guy that's got a red star
next to him.
Speaker 3 (09:18):
Yeah, yeah, I think you have to. There is a
Jets conversation as well. You mentioned Ian so Ian Roddy
are executive Hello, perfect, perfect opportunity. Ian, the great executive
producer of this show, knows all thirty one teams, but
only one is attached to his heart, and that is
the New York Jets. Let's get the post mortem as
(09:39):
you actually saw. I was gonna say, Aaron Rodgers play
a whole game, but since they pulled him in the
fourth quarter for Torod Taylor, it wasn't a whole game.
But at least he wasn't out on play for your
sorry to make jokes about your misery from a year
ago as well, I'm used to it, but yeah, you're
ware of the Sauce Gardner jersey and he ends up
going you know, out of the.
Speaker 6 (09:58):
Game for your situation there.
Speaker 3 (10:00):
Yeah, yeah, but Jets Jets wise on offense is a
Jets fan, How are you feeling after seeing this Week
one performance?
Speaker 4 (10:07):
I I'm not as discouraged as some Jets fans might be,
just because of the simple fact that it was the
forty nine ers, Like they're just top to bottom, the
best roster in football, so to be honest, I wasn't
like really expecting the Jets to play particularly well against them. Yeah,
but specifically for players. Breice Hall didn't really get much
(10:28):
running room going, but he still fell into the end
zone for a touchdown, which is you know, good to
see that. You know, even on his poor performances, there's
you know, can be salvaged a little bit. Garrett Wilson
he didn't have a great game, but he was targeted up,
you know, like twelve times, so that was encouraging too.
And then Rogers didn't move around a lot, which isn't
great for fantasy but he had a nice touchdown throw
(10:50):
to Lazard, and you know, I think he'll be okay
for fantasy. He's not gonna be one of those top options,
but I don't think anybody really expected that out of him.
Speaker 1 (10:58):
Anybody get a get because we didn't have the sound
on in the studio. The explanation as to why that
play wasn't blown dead when dude was five yards in
the defensive backfield.
Speaker 3 (11:08):
Honestly because I think it's Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 4 (11:10):
Yeah, they just gave him the free play.
Speaker 3 (11:12):
Yeah, I honestly thought the same thing Mike Guys, Like
that was any other quarterback, they would have ran in
and tried to protect him. But I didn't think that,
I think because then the stat that they put up,
I mean, they had stats at the ready on free
plays and how Aaron Rodgers leads in all of these stats.
So it's maybe maybe it was something that Sally even
(11:34):
got in the refs. He was saying like, hey man.
Speaker 4 (11:36):
Hey man, they have a graphic. They have a graphic.
Speaker 1 (11:38):
Yeah, but that looked like it was, you know, the
the classic case of unabated to the quarterback and everybody
stops like the linebacker watches Lazard run past him touchdown.
Speaker 3 (11:50):
He was closer to Rogers than the umpire was, like
that's it was. It was crazy, it truly was, but hey,
it ended up working. And it's one of those things
to where I can't even remember who it was that
jumped off sides.
Speaker 4 (12:04):
I think it was Floyd, was that it was Leonard Floyd,
who ironically was the one who sacked him when he
tore his achilles.
Speaker 3 (12:10):
Then you know, like that's the that's the spot where
you're like, well, now I can't tackle him, you know,
like like definitely, like I'm the last person in the
world that's gonna take a Freelo.
Speaker 4 (12:19):
Did sack him, I think, and I don't don't. Don't
take my word on that, but I'm pretty sure that
Floyd did get a sack on him because I remember
thinking like what was going through his head there?
Speaker 3 (12:28):
Sure, but not not at that play. At that play
you can't be the guy. Then that's unabated to the quarterback.
And then end this season is the second straight year.
Speaker 1 (12:36):
And yeah, he was just so offside, So like, how
is not that's not dead because everybody stops except for
Rogers and Lazard.
Speaker 3 (12:46):
He touchdown Jets Lazard the Lizard pointed up to it
and Rogers hit him. And that's the easiest thing they've
done all night. I'll say this about the Jets. This
by far, it was their toughest game of the year
on the road in San Francisco. When you look at
the rest of their slate. Not to be schedule guy,
but we do that with fantasy foot.
Speaker 1 (13:06):
Get after it next couple of weeks, Stan, Yeah, absolutely right.
Their next three games are all very winnable games, right Tennessee,
that gave away and gifted my Bears. They're one and
zero record as I sit here with a Bears hat
on as we do the podcast. And then they've got
New England and Stevenson and I mean, look, the defense
(13:27):
will be strong. We'll see what they can muster offensively.
And then they've got Denver, which I don't know what
Denver's going to be. They gave you know, you can
talk about it. You probably watched every play twice against
your Seahawks, but in the end they kept what did
Bonicks have three point three yards per passing attempt?
Speaker 3 (13:48):
Yeah, at one point in the first half, that's what
it was. You know, doing the red Zone show, you
don't get to watch the game as much as you
would like.
Speaker 1 (13:57):
You know so well, but you could be on air
curse about what your team does and doesn't do.
Speaker 3 (14:02):
Well, that's yeah, miserable. Something is that, Hey, can you
talk about the Cowboys and Browns for a second? Big
game that's going on?
Speaker 1 (14:09):
No, no, the Browns didn't show up. Let me go
back to this one over here.
Speaker 3 (14:14):
Oh man, I'll tell you what. It was kind of
a dog window for games, to be honest, this is true.
So but uh, in week two, or I should say,
the first window did provide some craziness and we had
a you know, a late field goal in the Jaguars
Dolphins game. But I don't know, maybe there'll be some
more drama in week two. Well, I'll just I'll finish
this about the Jets point ian and it comes as
(14:35):
a fantasy perspective. Rogers looks stiff as stiff as heck.
He didn't move at all, And I am curious on
how that's gonna move there throughout the season. Is he's
gonna loose it up? Was he tentative? He just he looked.
His legs were always a factor because he could move,
(14:56):
You could move in the pocket, he could get a
first down if you needed run out of bounds, do
that sort of thing. And he just looked very, very stiff,
and so I hope he loosens up.
Speaker 4 (15:06):
Even as a fan, whenever he would even try and
move or roll out of the pocket, I was just like,
oh god, you know, just go down, Like I just
don't want to deal with that anxiety this season, and
it's gonna be a huge factor the whole the whole season.
Speaker 1 (15:18):
So yeah, well you gotta wonder if he's got the
mental block right of you know, testing your leg that way.
I feel like he has to, right because I mean,
we like get to put it in the competitive stuff.
I watched my daughter's you know, soccer squad and the
kids with their leg injuries coming back off injuries, like
(15:39):
you know, they had one that tore hminniscus, another that
was in a walking boot because of their ankle for
a couple of weeks, and then you watch them play
for the first month or so and they're reticent to
cut redit, reticent to kind of bad ball out and
like they've got one of their girls who's finally healthy,
I think for the first time in a full calendar,
and she's running rough shit over people like she's been
(16:02):
shot out of a cannon. Sure, and all of a
sudden everything's right. So for Aaron Rodgers, part of that,
you know, just trusting your leg again and eventually I
guess you're gonna get chased down by a guy like
Floyd to where you're there's there's gonna be a fight
or flight response anyway.
Speaker 3 (16:18):
So yeah, I mean, it's you're gonna have to otherwise
you're not gonna make it.
Speaker 6 (16:23):
Yeah, that's inasing. Well, you could do the Peyton Manning move.
Speaker 1 (16:25):
You know, like those little toys you used to have
where you press the bottom and the legs would collapse
and then you let it out and they spring back tada.
That's kind of what Manning did for years. I mean,
I guess Rogers could use that move.
Speaker 3 (16:37):
Uh, he's Mike Carmon, I'm Dan Baya. You heard the
voice of Ian Roddy, our executive producer. Our quick recap
of what was Monday Night Football. We'll take a bigger
look at what happened in Week one of the NFL season,
specifically what happened at the quarterbacking position and if you
felt the pain of your quarterback not showing up You're
not alone. That's next here and I want your flex.
(17:00):
Hit me up at Dan Byron Fox, get Mike at
Swollen Dome. It is I want your flex. He's Mike Harmon,
I'm Dan Byer. Executive producer is Ian Roddy. I've got
to say, Mike, I wasn't happy with my quarterback play
in some of my leagues. I do have Josh Allen
in one league, so I was fine with that, but
there were other spots. Trevor Lawrence underwhelming. I was hoping
(17:20):
a little bit more from him, and Jacksonville's lost to Miami. CJ.
Stroud had a nice game, but I thought, man, I
feel like I'm missing out. I don't know if I
was missing out, because it doesn't seem my quarterback play
was great around Week one.
Speaker 1 (17:33):
Fantasy wise, we have six quarterbacks finished with more than
twenty Fantasy points this week, one of which was Derek Carr,
who passed for about four yards and three touchdowns in
that blowout win over Carolina. Okay, I exaggerate a bit,
but Josh Allen, Baker Mayfield, Jaden Daniels mostly with his legs,
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Anthony Richardson on the strength of his legs, and two
giant passes to Alec Pearce and then Jackson going back
to the season opener, those are your top five, with
Derek Carr coming in six. Your guy Gino Smith was
at number seven.
Speaker 3 (18:07):
There, Dan help, So do you have a thirty four
yard touchdown run? You know, like it does, but like CJ.
Stroud was, he had a you know, big play to
Nico Collins, had a couple of touchdown passes and then
you thinking like, okay, it was probably around two ninety
at the point, and then you're like, wait a second, No,
he wasn't. And it just funky week. And especially if
(18:30):
I don't want to say if he had the guts
mic to start Jayden Daniels because I think he was
borderline starter for the twelve team like that really paid off.
But man, the names that we had that you expected
from from certain people, Kyler Murray, you know, I thought
maybe a Buffalo's defense would be susceptible, and he wasn't
(18:50):
necessarily there. For as good as the you know, we
thought that the Chiefs were. Patrick Mahomes didn't have the
huge game as we thought Dak against the Browns. For
as great as the Cowboys were, his numbers weren't great,
just a very funky week.
Speaker 1 (19:03):
In that Aspen Super Toe, right, Dak Prescott was eighteenth
with one hundred and seventy nine passing yards in that game.
Gino was right behind him at one seventy one. But
you only had two guys Eclipse three hundred yards, Tua
and Stafford, each of which threw one touchdown pass. He
obviously had Baker with his four he was at two
(19:24):
eighty nine, so that's the one that I think kind
of stands out. Mahomes got to two ninety one, but
just the singular touchdown, and that was kind of the theme
the Kyler Murray effort. Interesting because we get over the
total with sixty two points scored in that game, but
one hundred and sixty two in a touchdown, added fifty
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seven rushing yards to give you a little bit of juice,
But otherwise, I mean, certainly not the performance you expected
to the I think Daniel Jeremiah and Matt Mney Smith
used the term so approp brittley calling the Raiders and
Chargers game the rock fight. Justin Herbert one hundred forty
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four yards passing and then one of the more disappointing performances,
and it was against tough defense, so I wasn't expecting
him to be overwhelming, as we talked about last week,
you know, doing our rankings and setting up the week.
But Kirk Cousins one hundred and fifty five passing yards, Yeah,
just a dismal performance. My favorite though, was the shot
chart of Justin Fields. He gets the start and not
(20:29):
really surprising, but he didn't complete a pass over the
middle of the field. Everything was to the edges, which
was kind of interesting, not you know, non fantasy in
the moment, but just kind of an interesting observational thing.
But overall, I mean Sam Darnold two eight and two.
Richardson we talked about with the numbers Golf only through
(20:50):
for two seventeen.
Speaker 3 (20:51):
You know, Richardson is interesting because I was even texting
with a buddy as it was happening, and we're usually
making jokes about our own team, and he has Anthony
Richardson and he's like, yeah, I'm sure the twenty five
yards per completion average is really gonna gonna continue. But
but like you know, that's I guess that's kind of
(21:12):
like my question with all of this. You know, Seattle,
what they used to do is there would be a
lot of there'd be a lot of play action with
Russell Wilson, and then he would take at least three
or four shots down the field. Whether a card or
not didn't matter. You're also hoping for a pass interference. Sure,
no scenario, and I almost kind of feel like that's
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gonna be the same thing with the Colts. It's just
nothing changed with Anthony Richardson from the preseason in my mind,
except the fact that he made it through Week one
without an injury and that you hope that he can
continue to perform like that. But even in the loss,
it felt like Colts fans felt it was a win
for how Anthony Richardson performed and he completed nine passes,
(21:54):
right like you know, like that's it's just it's it's
crazy for me to think, but on a fantasy perspective,
that's all that you want from the guy.
Speaker 1 (22:03):
Yeah, you had the two massive plays to Alec Pierce
who had three catches on his three targets for one
hundred and twenty five yards, and then you had the
fifty four yard pass to Ashton Doolan. Pittman was a
non factor. Ad Ni Mitchell who we talked about a
little bit in the preseason. Five targets, one catch, two
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yards and Jonathan Taylor, who historically would have given you
the play action option, you know, by running all over
the Houston Texans as he's done so many times, sixteen
for forty eight. No balance there against Houston this time out.
Great game, fun game, sustainable. Hell no, so's it'll It'll
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be curious to see how this gets refined the fact
that Pittman just had the four for thirty one and
good job by you know, the defense and what they
set out to do with Houston, no question about it.
But yeah, Richardson's won those guys. Look, I was down
on him. I know he was season wide. I saw
him top six, top seven, and a lot of fantasy rankings.
(23:09):
I still would be surprised if we saw him play
more than thirteen or fourteen games stylistically, But from week one, hey,
you got your returns if you had the guts to
play him.
Speaker 3 (23:20):
Here's here's here's my concern with Richardson. Number one, the
Texans had the ball for forty minutes during the game.
They outsnapped the Colt seventy six to forty three, and
so you look at how the Texans wanted to play
the game, and they played it their way. But it's
also if if you don't get those bombs, Mike, I
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don't know. I don't know, like how many snaps you're
you're getting And if that is your offense, is this
now going to be a scenario where your defense is
on the field a lot more. Yeah, because that's the
only way that you could really generate you know, Michael
Pittman Junior was a guy that we, you know, really
liked coming into the season, and that's not Michael Pittman
Junior's game. And so if you're if the only way
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that you're gonna get yards passing the ball is chucking
at sixty yards downfield, I don't know how your offense
and defense working concert And maybe that that affects Jonathan Taylor.
So Richardson may get his, but I don't know if
it's great for the Colts. And to that point, then
if you're the Colts, do you need to switch stuff up?
A lot of questions, especially too, because they have the
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Bears coming up, they have the Steelers, a couple of
tough defenses, so it's not gonna get any easier for
Anthony Richardson early in the season.
Speaker 1 (24:33):
Well, if you saw anything out of the Chicago game,
I mean, the defense was swarming. They did everything Eberflus preached.
And certainly one of the notes in between, you know,
his beard grooming on hard knocks, was just the aggressiveness
and ball hawking, trying to get back to Bears teams
of old. So a little bit of that, and certainly
Will Levis doing his best. And I feel bad making
(24:55):
the analogy because you know, we more in the passing
of James Earl Jones at ninety three. But when Levis
threw that ill fated interception that was returned for a touchdown,
he dropped to his knees and put his arms up.
I thought of the Darth Vader moment where he yells no.
Speaker 6 (25:12):
Ah, So there you have it there.
Speaker 1 (25:14):
But that that is to say, you know, with with
Houston and Indianapolis, this is you know, this is the
first of many battles between these two.
Speaker 6 (25:23):
This is this will be fun to watch it. Shake down.
Speaker 1 (25:28):
Surprised that Joe Mixon was able to run thirty times
for one hundred and fifty nine you heard it. But yeah,
we'll talk about him another time. But yeah, if going
for the downs is the only way, and I mentioned
downs because well, Josh Downs didn't play, so there's another
member of the receiving corps that they'll get back for Indy.
But you know, no balance, and this game was never
out of sorts, right, They were never down to where
(25:51):
it's like, all right, we're just chucking because we need
to because we're down three touchdowns.
Speaker 3 (25:55):
Yeah, it felt it, you know, it felt like the
Texans are keeping them at bay, and then Richardson would
really back in with a big play you know here there,
and so then the Texans would have to drive down
the field and go and score again to try to
keep him at But that was kind of the sense
that I got of this game. It's funny that you
mentioned the Titans because that's the other quarterback, not will
Levis Id. We want to talk about kayleb Williams. But
(26:15):
before we talked about kyleab Williams, did you hear Brian
Callahan's comments on Monday in talking about their offense. I'm
going to paraphrase because I don't have it word for word,
but he joked that their defense was playing very well
in the game, and he joked he said, we probably
should have punted it on twenty ten because, you know,
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the Bear the only offense that the Bears are. The
only points the Bears offense actually contributed to the scoreboard
was the two point conversion from Kayleb Williams to DeAndre Swift.
Otherwise it was a bunch of Santos field goals and
the two defensive scores. But I mean, like, I thought
that was hilarious. I thought it was an awful indictment
on will Levis that you'd rather punt on first and dead.
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I know he was trying to compliment his defense, but
I think he would want that one back. But we're
not even talking about will Levis. What do you think
of Caleb Williams's debut, the fourteen to twenty nine for
ninety three yards.
Speaker 1 (27:12):
You know, it's hard to give it the ringing endorsement,
but maybe glass half full guy coming out of it,
certainly for fantasy purposes, a dismal effort for you know
that he didn't use his legs a ton, except for
the twenty yard sack that he took, you know, the
welcome to NFL speed moment. Yeah, you know, things you
could do in college that you can't do in the
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pros that they will find you like a heat seeking missile.
You know that that'll get better a couple of missed opportunities,
you know, throws, a couple of balls batted down at
the line. That was a bit concerning arm angle and
and just kind of the read there. But m Keenan
Allen dropped a shirt touchdown, right, and you know, all
(27:55):
the highlight films we could we could show him taking
the sack. We could show maybe not having proper touch
to the edges at times and whatever. I don't know
that the Keenan Allen drop made it into a bunch
of those cuts because that touchdown gets scored. I'm not
saying it erases everything. And maybe he passes for one
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hundred and fifty yards because he finds some guy. I
don't know, but you know, when you have the goose egg,
it's a lot easier. And then you get Callahan come
over the top that kind of you know, while slapping
his own quarterback kind of does a three stooges thing.
Because Caleb Williams is getting some of the residual coming
out of us, right, So losing Roma dunes the certainly
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is not gonna help. He's got an MRI scheduled and
might miss some time because of a knee injury where
he got rolled up on a play on the edge
later on in the game. But all that to say,
it can't get any worse. I mean, even against a
Houston team that will certainly be swarming, and I can't
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wait to see what Demico Ryans and his staff put
together for him. But Keenan Allen's not going to drop
that ball again. He had eleven targets, was invisible right.
The tight ends a lot of blocking, certainly, the aggressiveness
of the Tennessee front, and the fact that the Bear's
got nothing out of the running game until late, like
DeAndre Swift basically couldn't fall forward the first three quarters
(29:22):
of the game. He ends up with I guess reasonable
enough stat line off a couple of runs in the fourth,
So you know it's I'm not saying all of a sudden,
I'm thrusting him in the lineups. Look, I had him
in the Guillotine League and I survived in spite of him,
but with Derek Carr on the bench. Not that I
wanted Derek Carr in any game, but yeah, there it
(29:44):
is that that's what happens in a guillotine league of
eighteen teams, but for Caleb Williams uneven. But the defense
special team is gonna save your bacon. So from a
football standpoint, they're gonna be dangerous enough to steal a
couple of games like that. From a fantasy standpoint, he's
fixed permanently on my bench until you see some level
(30:06):
of consistency.
Speaker 3 (30:07):
Yeah, I'm with you on that, because you likely took him.
And then he said, well, I got to get somebody
else in case this doesn't work out. Let's have some fun.
Let's play Caleb Williams week one. And then you saw
what week one is, and I said, okay, let's let's
drive the Let's let's drive the other car for the winter,
and we'll bring out the Lamborghini in summer on Sundays
and maybe we'll let somebody else handle this for a while.
(30:28):
I think, yeah, that's exactly what you do.
Speaker 1 (30:30):
Yeah, I mean at the other part, Dan is you know,
as we talk about you know, game planning and scheming
or whatever, it's a lot of time to prepare for
an individual and and for some of these teams, you know,
you get these marquee matchups like the Jets, as we
were talking about with the in the first segment, right,
it's the all right, you've got the forty nine ers
(30:51):
marquee game week one, unsteady, you know, unsure your quarterback
comes in Now, Did I expect him to get punched
in the mouth and run over like they did by
the forty hours. No, but you're not facing anybody better
likewise week one. They've had everything they could possibly do
to try to get themselves off on the right foot
to scheme you up, whether it's looking at your college
(31:14):
film or whatever you put on tape last year. There's
not a lot of surprises, so you know, better days,
I guess would be the.
Speaker 6 (31:23):
Spot for that.
Speaker 3 (31:24):
I don't know if you share this opinion, but I'm
gonna just end it with this. Yeah, if you have
Caleb Williams on your bench, you're not gonna get screwed
by sitting him and him throwing for three hundred yards
and four touchdowns. Because I don't think that game is
in concert with the Bears defense. We were just talking
about the Colts offense and what you know, the stress
(31:45):
that it puts on their defense. We know the Bear
strength is their defense. Does the Bears no good for
Caleb Williams to throw for three hundred and fifty yards
and four touchdowns to get in a track meet. So
the game that Caleb Williams does break out, it's probably
not gonna be that big, so you don't have to
miss it. Whereas like Jayden Daniels, if you benched him
this past week, you're like, crap, he had two touchdowns
and a bunch of rushing yards and you know, you know,
(32:06):
and he may have more of those. I just don't
see that game with Caleb Williams. For the breakout game.
He'll have a two seventy game and two touchdowns and
then you could kind of be like, Okay, I feel
comfortable playing with him, but I don't think you're gonna
get that that one off three point thirty four TD
game that's gonna make you kick yourself.
Speaker 1 (32:24):
Yeah, I think, you know, look, and if it pops,
it pops. But looking for that consistently, it's it's not
going to be there.
Speaker 6 (32:32):
That's not the identity.
Speaker 1 (32:34):
But you know, a point I made in the twitterse Instagram,
whatever else.
Speaker 6 (32:38):
We were kind of wrapped up.
Speaker 1 (32:40):
In a lot of the smith and I on the
Monday show, so we didn't get deep into in the
Bears chatter. But for Caleb Williams must have been a
really interesting thing going on in his head. Since he
carried the asses of everybody at USC for a couple
of years, try to put up as many points and
getting no defensive help and now having that come back
(33:00):
the other way. That had to be a really odd
experience for him. Yeah, and probably very welcome for once.
Speaker 3 (33:07):
Actually. I like to see him how excited he was
after the win. Yeah, you know like that. That was
good to see. He's Mike Carmen, I'm Dan Byer it is.
I want your flex all right now. We're gonna get
you set for week two when we come back. Mike's
got some waiver wire names, guys you got to pick up.
And I'm gonna tell you about Survivor in week one
and boy what a week when it was. That's next
here on. I want your flex all right with week
(33:28):
one of the books. I don't know if we know
more or less than we do from prior to week one, Mike, Yeah,
because it's when you get the week two. Sometimes it's
a little tricky, but there are some injuries you mentioned
the Rome. With Dunze injury, we have pukin Dakua. It's
gonna be on IR. Packers are saying what they're saying
about Jordan Love, I'd be shocked if he played against
the Colts. Doesn't look like he's going to be going
(33:49):
on IR at least that was the early message from
Matt Lafleur. I don't know if how those guys play
into your waiver wire selections, but who do we target
on the waiver wire in week two?
Speaker 1 (33:59):
Certainly have to decide whether laflor lies like Shanahan got
to listen to the whole show, the whole podcast. From
the quarterback position, you know, you got two guys that
had big weeks who are basically unowned in a lot
of Fantasy league at Baker Mayfield and Derek Carr. But
you look at the next matchups. You know, Baker's at Detroit,
(34:19):
it should be able to move the ball. We saw
Stafford in the Rams even with just Cooper Cup have
success to eighty nine and four was the stat line
for Baker. Opportunity here on the road at Detroit. For
Derek Carr maybe not as excitable. It's not Carolina, No
it's a road trip to Dallas where we saw Michael
Parsons and company flying around, but again unowned in a
(34:42):
ton of leagues. Now, part of it is looking at
your roster management and your bench and playing defense, seeing
how many viable quarterbacks are there on a week to
week basis, because we start seeing injuries mount and those
things thin out quickly, maybe giving you a trade opportunity.
And finally, I don't know what the deal is with
(35:02):
Russell Wilson. Mike Tomlin says, Tuesday Wednesday will get a
better picture, you know, ask me that question. But justin fields,
wasn't earth shattering, a world beating, but maybe an opportunity
against a Denver defense on the road running back position,
Tank Bigsby had a pretty decent game for Jacksonville there
(35:23):
on the road at Cleveland or that home against Cleveland,
I should say, But twelve carries seventy three yards for him.
Speaker 6 (35:29):
JK.
Speaker 1 (35:29):
Dobbins is going to be the bell of the ball.
Gus Edwards would have been the draft pick, and maybe
you shy it away, but take a look see in
your in your waiver wire. For Dobbins, two big runs
made up a lot of his effort. In Week one,
but one hundred and thirty five yards. This was a guy,
highly coveted, highly touted back in Baltimore, just hasn't been
(35:50):
able to stay healthy. So an opportunity there. We have
to say Mason's name just because yeah, right, yeah, take
a look. See, odds are he was rostered if you're
in deeper leagues, but you know, you never can't tell
Alexander Madison. Going back to Las Vegas for a minute,
(36:10):
I know a lot of people excitable about Zamir White,
but you know, the average draft position of him told
you how much people were excited about a his potential
and be what they thought of the Raiders. He was
about the thirtieth running back drafted on average. So Madison
comes over from Minnesota, shows a little bit of something
you mentioned Bucky Irving earlier on as we were talking Dan.
(36:35):
You know he's a guy that Rashad White is the
one for now, but a workload split certainly can play
out there as well, Isaiah likely going all the way
back to Thursday, odds are everybody's already put their claim in,
but he was virtually unowned despite all of our attempts
to try to wear sandwich boards and support him before
(36:56):
the season.
Speaker 3 (36:57):
You were on it. You were on it for sure,
one hundred percent.
Speaker 6 (37:00):
All right.
Speaker 1 (37:00):
Finally, let's get a couple of wide outs in here.
Johnson and Robinson pick your poison for the Rams with
Nikua out Johnson five for seventy nine. Some think that Robinson,
DeMarcus Robinson will be the guy that picks up a
larger part. Now it's just a matter of seeing if
you can win one off your free agent acquisition budget there.
(37:22):
I think I leaned towards Robinson myself based on the
expectations Brandon Cooks while he's playing an upright for the
Cowboys four catches forty yards of touch on Jake Ferguson
got hurt by the way as well. So that's another
piece to the puzzle. As we look at the tight ends,
maybe you're looking towards the fun world of the split
(37:48):
tight end position in New Orleans and trying to pick
your poison there. You can go down that road if
you feel it, but otherwise, you know, we're looking at
trying to find some value here.
Speaker 6 (38:01):
You've got the.
Speaker 1 (38:03):
Raiders tight ends would have both been drafted Kolby Parkinson
was a guy we mentioned last week as a sleeper,
did have five targets, so potential for him to maybe
take on a role with the Rams as well. Higbe's
not expected back anytime soon, so opportunity perhaps there. And
then really it's slim pickens down down the line. That's
(38:26):
where we start looking at the Noah Fance and others.
He had four targets in that game against Denver, but
maybe a guy that can pick up a bigger role
as well. But that's a lot of mouths to feed
there in Seattle, so tough to think that on a
week to week basis, you're getting enough targets.
Speaker 3 (38:42):
Yeah, interesting spot with the Seahawks. I can tell you
that the dk Metcalf and Jackson Smith and Jigba performances
were anything but enticing. But they needed Kenneth Walker the
third in that second half, and that's what he brought him.
Speaker 6 (38:57):
Got that big catch from Tyler Lockett though, so you
got that.
Speaker 3 (39:00):
Yeah, he got game ball for it too.
Speaker 1 (39:02):
Yeah. I saw the video that was pretty good. The
final guy and this is the all right, let's just
recognize it for what it is. He may not be
viable with any other quarterback in the world, but Alan
Lazard he got the freeb touchdown, but he also had
a pretty good target count, right, nine targets for the
Jets against San Francisco. I mean, he becomes the security
(39:25):
blanket for Aaron Rodgers, right. Garrett Wilson is.
Speaker 6 (39:29):
The world beater.
Speaker 1 (39:30):
He's an you know, he's an ace. He is an
elite wide receiver. But you always need to have that
trusty checkdown number two guy, where you know where he is,
where you're gonna be able to move the sticks. You're
not gonna get to the you know, lofty eighty nine
and two stat line with regularity. But as long as
he's healthy, Lazard, I think you're probably gonna see six
(39:51):
to eight targets a week, So you know, on the
Ronco WR three, set it and forget it.
Speaker 6 (39:57):
You could do worse.
Speaker 3 (39:58):
When you look at Mike Williams, I'm sure he was taken,
yeah in drafts, but when you see that distribution, he
and hecked the Jets fan, I mean, yeah, go Eddian,
you know like I mean, like, are you like, gosh,
darn it, just throw just throw it to him. Are
you fine with Rogers just locking in on Wilson and
Lazard and Breese Hall for the entire game.
Speaker 4 (40:21):
I was fine with whatever Rogers wanted to do. And
plus Williams is coming off a season ending injury. I
think he tore his acl last year, so he's still
easing his way back in. For him to not really
be involved this week, I wasn't too shocked about it.
I actually do think down the line he's going to
become a much more reliable target. I do like what
you were saying about Alan Lazard though, Mike, because he
(40:42):
did kind of just fall into two touchdowns today and
eighty nine yards not bad.
Speaker 1 (40:46):
Yeah, I mean look in the end with Williams, we
watched it here in Los Angeles for years. There's going
to be a couple of games where he sets the
world a blaze. Right, can high point the ball as
well as anybody. I think for the Jets, he be comes,
for lack of a better comparison, let's cross sports. He
becomes the power forward in the low post, turn and dunk. Yeah,
(41:08):
and I think for red zone purposes, assuming you're getting
to the red zone there, Ian he's gonna be a
guy that'll be a factor then. But riding him week
in week out, I think he's going to be a
tough order.
Speaker 4 (41:21):
Yeah, it's it's yucky for sure. It's yucky to own
him and to start him. He even had a few
drops tonight, at least one agreed toous one on third down.
Speaker 3 (41:29):
So well, there they are your waiver wire pickups to
get your set for Week two. I want to end
with some Survivor talk. Oh, let's go two points I
need to make. Not the TV show which debuts next week,
another season on CBS.
Speaker 6 (41:44):
What do we ad like fifty seven?
Speaker 3 (41:46):
It's not fifty yet, but it's like forty seven forty
eight because there's gonna be a fiftieth season coming up,
like not this season, but the next season. Again, it's
the only show my wife and I actually watch when
it airs. Oh wow, only one that everything else would
be DVRD. But it's the one that we watch live
Wednesday night's eight o'clock here on the West Coast. When
I'm talking about Survivor pools, if you remember, on the
(42:08):
pod that dropped on Friday or Week one that we
taped on the Thursday night into Friday morning, we had
said some things, made some predictions, one of which was
I texted you guys on Friday that I was changing
my Panther Saints pick. You guys know why. I don't
need to announce it on this podcast, but tell you what,
it's one of the smartest things I ever did. So
(42:29):
I ended up going with the Saints, and I apologize
for giving any Panthers direction, but I also said at
the time, take the Bengals are your safe pick in
the survivor pool. And if you ever had that epiphany,
Mike where you're just like, oh my gosh, I didn't
see it. I didn't see it until now, like my goodness,
And I explained this on the Sunday Show. That's how
(42:50):
we felt Friday with the Bengals, Like, why in the
world would I think that they'd be ready to play
for a football game when all we've been talking about
all off season are their wide receivers wanting more money
and that's not focused on a championship. And t Higgins
pops up on the injury report and you have Jamar
(43:12):
Chase limited, Higgins is considered then doubtful. We find out
later on Friday. I completely went the other way. Not
that I thought the Patriots would actually win the game,
but in terms of covering the spread, I'm like, give
me New England, you.
Speaker 1 (43:25):
Know, well getting the seven and a half or or
whatever it was. Yeah, depending on where you're shopping.
Speaker 3 (43:30):
Then they go out and they win the game and
destroying survivor pools the big circa you know, fourteen million
dollars pool right, thirty four point three percent head Cincinnati. Wow,
thirty four percent done by four o'clock Eastern time. They
(43:51):
started with fourteen thousand, two hundred entries. I believe fourteen
two oh six was the actual number. Four thousand, eight
and ninety five went out with that one. Falcons were
the next one out of only three percent four hundred
and thirty one entries. But that's what the Bengals lost
did in survivor pools. People were saved by your Bears comeback, Mike,
(44:15):
the Bills come back against the Cardinals. That that was
a big sigh of relief for some. The Dolphins wasn't
maybe a game that you would normally pick, but they
had a comeback to keep some entries. But yeah, thirty
four percent of survivor pools. And by the way, that
number is for pools that I'm in and others that
I've talked to. It's around anywhere from thirty to thirty
(44:38):
five percent with the Bengals getting knocked out.
Speaker 1 (44:39):
So that's just pretty amazing. Yeah, But I mean just
a great job defensively. But all the noise, right, it's
all about We talked about it Smith and I a
little on the Monday Show as the Monday Night game
was wrapping. You know, two very different ways of noise
being handled, right. The Jets created a bunch kind of
talking up their defense, talking up all the the return
(45:00):
and the expectations with Rogers, and they got run over
forty nine ers. Everybody wondering, ow is it going to work? Well,
they paid their two guys. Sure, So while it was
eleventh hour and whatever, they came out and handled business likewise.
Jerry Jones handed Dak Prescott a giant check. All's right
with the world with the Bengals, same old money management.
(45:22):
You did mention the Bears saving folks on the Survivor week.
You just got to give Ian the nod, right because
his you know, pickup and streamer d for the week
and week one of the pod was the Bears and
you want to talk about putting up a fantasy point
total depending on scoring. Look, they were first regardless, but
(45:44):
for some that helped you overcome some of the crappy
performances by quarterbacks or non starters elsewhere.
Speaker 3 (45:53):
I started the Bears Bears one of my leagues, and
if I didn't start the Bears, I likely would have lost.
Speaker 6 (46:00):
So good work.
Speaker 3 (46:01):
I Ian Roddy won for one.
Speaker 4 (46:03):
And you only started them because I advised you.
Speaker 3 (46:05):
Absolutely absolutely, you know you made the recommendation. I think
I did say on the pod that I would stream
them in week one, but I'm keeping them for for
as long as forever.
Speaker 4 (46:18):
So that's the fun thing about week one is you
kind of have guys defenses on the waiver wire that
shouldn't necessarily be there, and that.
Speaker 1 (46:24):
Is that one didn't seem like it should have been there.
I just got to say rosted leagues though they were
you know, shocker.
Speaker 3 (46:31):
Yeah. Yeah, well, good work, good work all around. Harmon
nail Josh Allen is the top quarterback for UH for
Week one.
Speaker 1 (46:39):
I got Nailer in as a sleeper. That was the
one that I was most proud of. Good one, not
a big day, but he found the end zone.
Speaker 3 (46:45):
And I'll tell you what you know, Tyreek Hill, you
know obviously the top five, but you also had Mike Evans.
So you had Mike Evans in your top five. He
was borderline, so he was he was right there that
he was five or six. So that was a good
call on on one, not Mike Evans. And uh yeah,
so I can give a tip of the cap to you.
And you also nailed Kirk Cousins being the coltsar because
(47:06):
he was cold for the Atlanta.
Speaker 6 (47:07):
Fl Frosty talked about.
Speaker 1 (47:09):
And if they didn't call a bunch of penalties on
TJ Watt, it would are Yeah, on TJ WAT it
would have been worse.
Speaker 3 (47:14):
And you nailed Ayuk because you can only had two
catches for the forty nine ers on Monday Night.
Speaker 6 (47:18):
I should have had a touchdown catch Peyton.
Speaker 3 (47:21):
Yeah, but he did exactly. All Right, that's it for us.
We're gonna be back with a Wednesday episode. Then we'll
have our week two preview on Friday and Mike's rankings
and the hot plays and coldsores and and everything you
need to get you set for Sunday and Monday of
week two. So for Ian Roddy, our executive producer, and
for Mike Karmen, you can buy it at Swollen Dome.
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