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Speaker 1 (00:01):
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Speaker 3 (00:04):
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Adam Austin with you guys at k fig one where
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Speaker 1 (00:14):
I wish I could find a rundown. Where's bree breathe?
What's happening here? She's dropping the ball. This doesn't normally happen.
There's like two rundowns in my hand typically before we
start the show, Breeze, Am I A huh, I guess
maybe she went to the liquor store across the street.
I'm not saying anything by that.

Speaker 2 (00:30):
Wait wait, wait are you trying to say no, no, no, no, no.

Speaker 3 (00:33):
I know it's late on a Friday night if you
were on the West coast and early in the morning
on the East coast. So you're saying that she's knocking
a few back while she's on the clock.

Speaker 1 (00:40):
Here, bree bombs. I don't know miss life in an
alcoholic case, man, No, I don't that's the case.

Speaker 3 (00:45):
That is the case, Adam. Why does she breaking bread?
Why does she bring this? Bring us back a drink?

Speaker 1 (00:49):
You're right the hell I need a rundown and a drink. Stats.
We do have a good show for you, if I
remember correctly, I think we got e from Salm coming
on who of course does it right here on Fox
Sports Radio on Fox Sports Football Sundays, we also have
some geek news or is it stranger within fiction? You

(01:10):
know what I'm calling it stranger within fiction because there
was a basketball record broken recently by a gym teacher
that it was again his book, a World Records type
of feat, like it's incredible. When you hear about this,
you will say stranger than fiction or Ripley's believe it
or not that type of thing.

Speaker 3 (01:28):
This was a sanctioned game that a gym teacher was
playing in, or like this is just something that he
scored two hundred points against, like a middle school team.

Speaker 1 (01:37):
Yeah, he was Bill Murray and Rushmore just blocking all
the kids out there on the court.

Speaker 3 (01:42):
He's out there just doing the mic and drill, getting
two hundred rebounds and a half or something.

Speaker 1 (01:46):
Okay, it wasn't that. It's legit, it's documented. It's on video.
We will transcribe it for you, or we will use
the audio medium to make sure you guys understand what
the record was, but that's coming up later this hour.

Speaker 3 (01:58):
All right, well, speaking of legit, we got to talk
about the team with the best record in the NFL
and are they a legit championship contender.

Speaker 2 (02:04):
Let's get to that in first off, done, that's wrong.

Speaker 1 (02:11):
Patriots beat the Jets on Thursday Night football and everybody's
freaking out. Okay, it's not because they beat the Jets.
I do want to say this, our old buddy Oap
overly something, Pat, that.

Speaker 3 (02:26):
Guy overly aggressive with some of the voicemails he used
to leave us back in the day.

Speaker 2 (02:30):
I guess you can call.

Speaker 1 (02:30):
Him, yeah, overly angry. There's a lot of different DA's.
You could say, he sent me this statistic about justin fields.

Speaker 2 (02:38):
By the way, before you get to that, just for
those listeners.

Speaker 3 (02:41):
So back in the old FNA podcast days, we had
a voicemail line and people can call in and leave
voicemails and overly angry Pat, I guess we'll call them today,
would always call in and usually just take shots at
Adam for about three and a.

Speaker 1 (02:52):
Half straight minutes like this, as right, you're heavier than me.
Now called me a fat ass? Now this matchup on
Thursday Night Football between Drake May and Justin Fields obviously
is a mismatch and you can say, well, that's the
reason Drake May looks so good out there. First of all,
that's false. He's been good, he's been the MVP favorite

(03:15):
going back a week now. But Justin Fields, it is
jarring the contrast between these two performers out there. Listen
to this stat. Justin Fields is averaging one hundred and
fifty yards per game passing, but he hasn't had a

(03:35):
single game between sixty yards and two hundred and twenty yards.
He's either thrown for less than sixty yards every game
or over two hundred and twenty yards every game, including
the game against New England where he was check's notes
four of six with twenty three yards. Is that real?

Speaker 2 (03:54):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (03:54):
I can't even call it feast or famine, because nobody
in their right mind in twenty twenty five will call
two hundred and twenty passing yard in a game feast.
So it's just been like famine and it's kind of
somewhat still a little bit hungry, but still a little malnourished.

Speaker 2 (04:08):
It's kind of how I would look at it.

Speaker 1 (04:09):
You got the deep pride pickles as your appetizer, right,
that's what that is. You are not satiated because of that.
I just can't believe it's either him going above two
hundred and twenty yards or below sixty yards every game
with Justin Fields this season.

Speaker 2 (04:24):
Well we will.

Speaker 3 (04:25):
I mean, we talked about this early in the year
with Justin Fields too. Is just how inconsistent he has been.
It's been the story of his career and the reason
why so many people who still support him, they point
out games and say, oh, man, look at how great
this guy can be. On a singular basis. Look at
what he did against Pittsburgh on Opening Day. That's the
kind of Justin Fields you want to see on a
weekend and week out basis. The problem is, that's just

(04:47):
never been the case for him, no matter what team,
what franchise he's been with, what offensive coordinator he's played under,
he just has been so frustratingly inconsistent, and that has
been the narrative of his career to this point in time.
So to a certain degree, you can't really be surprised
because that's generally what he's been.

Speaker 1 (05:03):
They continue to chase, you know, he's so mobile out there.
If he could just be solid passing wise, we'd really
have something.

Speaker 2 (05:11):
Maybe he ain't got it.

Speaker 1 (05:12):
Yeah, I think it's time to give up. I think
it's over. It's not happening with him now, Drake may
It's all happening. It's all there. And what is this
charmed life that the Patriots fans are living the past
thirty seasons now where they only had to go what
five years between the end of Tom Brady to now

(05:36):
having his successor the heir apparent. And I will say
there might be something from the coaching side and a
starting quarterback side where it's a tough act to follow
if you're the guy after Tom Brady or Bill Belichick. Well,
they've already gone through a coach there and drawed Mayo.
They've already gone through a quarterback in mac Jones. So

(05:58):
maybe less pressure on may to have to follow the
greatest quarterback ever, the Lote whatever you want to call him.

Speaker 3 (06:04):
Maybe, I mean there's certainly a connection there to a
certain degree. Would I would say that the had he
not to retired early. I mean, you had a perfect
handoff in Indianapolis from Peyton Manning to Andrew Luck with
a one year gap in between. Obviously that allowed them
to be so bad that they could get Andrew Luck.

Speaker 1 (06:20):
The Green Bay Packers with far off to Aaron Rodgers.

Speaker 3 (06:22):
Right and if you want to even extrapa late that
out to right now with Jordan Love, who's not putting
up the greatest numbers right now, but certainly has potential
to be an upper echelon quarterback the longer his career
plays out.

Speaker 1 (06:33):
But you're right, Montana, Steve Young.

Speaker 3 (06:35):
Yeah, so you're right to a certain degree when it
comes to the Patriots. But I am very impressed by
the way you go back to the draft, you know,
at that quarterback class and so many people I feel
like he was not talked about that off He was talking.
It was Bo Nicks, and it was Caleb Williams, and
it was pretty much everybody except for Drake May who
there were a lot of question marks about. They say,

(06:56):
he has a bunch of raw talent, can he put
it together, especially going to like New England that was
so devoid of talent at the time.

Speaker 2 (07:03):
You bring in Mike Rabel.

Speaker 3 (07:04):
They did spend a lot of money this offseason and
did a good job of retooling that roster, but Nobody,
if they're being honest, would tell you that they would
think that through eleven games they would have the best
record in the entire league at this point.

Speaker 1 (07:17):
There's a crazy connection also with Mike Rabel being the
head coach now of the Patriots, because he ended the
Belichick and Brady dynasty. I believe the last game Brady
ever played in the Patriots uniform he lost like a
wild card game or a second round game to the
Tennessee Titans, whom Mike Rabel was the head coach of.

(07:38):
And he may have thrown an interception in his last
pass as a member of the Patriots, Tom Brady, and
now you got Rabel as the head coach. Obviously he
played there, of course, and actually did my Panthers in
I want to say he converted a two point conversion
in the Super Bowl or caught a touchdown in the
Super Bowl against the Panthers when they were repeating that
was their second of the three. You had them beating

(08:01):
the Rams, the Panthers, and then the Eagles with Donovan
McNabb throwing up during the ball game. At least Acordy
to Crello.

Speaker 3 (08:08):
Steve Vrabel has a crazy stat I forget the exact number,
but he's caught like eight. He caught like eight passes
in his career and all eight of them were touchdowns. Granted,
he was just a red zone guy. He was a
linebacker that they put in as an eligible tight end.

Speaker 1 (08:21):
But he worked against the Panthers in the Super Bowl.
Damn it my Panthers.

Speaker 4 (08:26):
Right.

Speaker 1 (08:27):
I'm still upset about it, So maybe I have an
extra grind against him. But he's good. He's a good
head coach. He's already won Coach of the Year before.

Speaker 3 (08:33):
Yeah, and look, there are parallels to draw to the
Belichick Brady Patriots too to a certain degree. Look, there
are people who would argue whether how good Tom Brady
actually was or was it.

Speaker 2 (08:42):
I'm not a Tom Brady truther.

Speaker 3 (08:43):
I don't think he's the greatest of all time, but
I certainly think he's in the top five. But he
certainly had his part, and a dominant defense on the
Patriots also had their part. Mike Rabel, as you mentioned
a second ago, was part of that. And if you
look at the Patriots start to this season, Drake may
as you mentioned, the front runner for MVPs the best
odds at this point in time to win the MVP award,
and the Patriots are in the top five defensively in every.

Speaker 2 (09:08):
Impactful important category.

Speaker 3 (09:09):
So that same formula that the Patriots won with, and
there Bill Belichick Tom Brady dynasty. They're sort of mimicking
that at least to this point to start the season.

Speaker 1 (09:18):
So their defense is good. They have a running game.
But Drake may has been off the charts good. Some
were saying he was Drake maybe that was his nickname,
and now they're calling him Drake definitely like he's a star.
He might win the MVP. They went four and thirteen
last year. They're nine to two now. He has nineteen

(09:41):
touchdowns twenty five hundred passing yards. That's both third in
the NFL in both those categories. His qbrs at one fourteen.
Playing behind an offensive line and this may do them
in in the end. That gives up four sacks per game.

Speaker 3 (09:55):
Yeah, he's been sacked the second most times in the NFL,
behind I believe cam warden Tennessee.

Speaker 1 (10:01):
So he's gotten wins in Buffalo and then on the
road in Tampa. Right, those are great victories.

Speaker 3 (10:08):
Those are the two best wins, by the way. The
rest of their schedule I would say, not nothing to
write home about. But they can't control that. All they
can do is play the games in the field that's
set in front of them.

Speaker 1 (10:16):
But it's worth bringing up that context. It matters who
you beat. But so far there are definitely handling business
and then some. He's number two in completion percentage in
the league get seventy one point seven percent, number two
in yards per pass attempt, number three in passing yards,
number three in passing touchdowns, number five in passer rating
at one thirteen point nine. The MVP case is clear.

(10:39):
This isn't just they're nine and two and he's a
game manager out there. He's one of the biggest reasons
why they're nine and two.

Speaker 3 (10:46):
Yeah, yeah, and it makes all the sense in the world.
And look, I made the case last week on the show.
I talked about the fact that Matthew Stafford should be
in that conversation for MVP along with Drake, and he
has by the way, he's right on his heels. I
don't have the exact number in front of me, but
it's not that wide of a gap between the two
of them. I will say, if it comes down to
it towards the end of the season and the Rams
keep playing the way that they're playing, and the Patriots

(11:06):
continue to play the way that they're playing. The Rams
do have a much tougher schedule. Uh, and are you
know so? I will think that the edge might go
to Matthew Stafford if he can, because right now he
has more touchdown passes and fewer interceptions I believe than
Drake May does at this point in time. So I
still think I think these two guys are going to
be in a dead heat if things stay the same.

Speaker 1 (11:24):
I don't know all the numbers on his accuracy with
Drake May on deep balls, but it feels like he
never misses, like it is regular eight.

Speaker 2 (11:34):
That was a couple of weeks ago. I don't know
where it sits right.

Speaker 1 (11:36):
Now, the NFL tracking stuff like he it's just it's
it's gotten to the point where it's like, is he
like the Steph Curry of the NFL? I know that
was supposed to be mahomes. Uh. It feels like Drake
May and just his second season right now, is approaching
superstar status about as fast as we've seen in a

(11:57):
long time.

Speaker 3 (11:58):
Well, and consider that he doesn't have the greatest targets
to throw to. Now Stefan Diggs, I guess is having
a little bit of a throwback season to a degree.

Speaker 2 (12:04):
He's their leading receiver.

Speaker 3 (12:05):
I didn't see that coming, but still not necessarily a
world beater. Kishawn Bhute, who's been injured the last couple
of games, has had a good year. Hunter Henry Matcollins.
He's spreading the ball around to a bunch of guys,
but there's no dominant receiver. And again this kind of
is shades especially of the first championship runs of the
New England Patriots, where it was a lot of no
name it was Rashad called well, Troy Brown was a

(12:28):
good player, but you know David Patton, a lot of
journeyman type guys. Tom Brady spread the ball around. Yeah,
Deon Branch was a good player until he went to Seattle.
And you know the magic of New England.

Speaker 2 (12:39):
Wore off very quickly.

Speaker 3 (12:41):
So there was something in the water there in New
England for a lot of those receivers. So the whatever
formula that was there with Bill Belichick, it seems that
Mike Rabel has picked it up and basically he has
continued it more than Belichick did.

Speaker 2 (12:53):
After Brady left.

Speaker 3 (12:54):
I mean because people tend to forget, and people will
talking about Belichick being a candidate for the Giants job,
and we can get into the in a few minutes
if we haven't, but Belichick's shine had worn off completely
the last couple of years. They're so bad in comparison
to what they were the previous twenty seasons with him.

Speaker 1 (13:09):
Went the helm well and they weren't drafting well horrible.
How long did they go without drafting a pro bowler?
A decade?

Speaker 4 (13:15):
Like?

Speaker 1 (13:15):
It was really bad, especially offensively, and obviously he had
full control for a reason, but you started to see
the cracks in the foundation. They got some new blood
now with a quarterback looking like this and now a
new head coach who used to play for them, and
you get all those good vibes too. Everything's going right
for them. I'm still not sure if in a playoff game,

(13:36):
see what they're missing is is what we can't know
about yet. You can. You can point the flaws with
the offensive lineman, and that might be a real area
that comes back to haunt them. But the thing they're
missing right now is experience, and the only way to
get that is to get there to get in and
then we can judge them off of that, because that's
really the only thing. It's kind of like the OKC Thunder.

(13:58):
I'm not saying there is is that winning sixty eight
games last season, But that's a pretty flawless roster and
continues to be when you talk about youth and potential.
But nobody knew how they would react in big moments.
And then last season they went in the second round
in Game seven against the Denver Nuggets and get that
signature moment and get that experience you need to create

(14:20):
that championship medal. We don't know what the Patriots or
Drake Mayer are going to look like on the biggest stage.

Speaker 3 (14:26):
Yeah, that's true. You're only going to find that out
once they actually get there. I will say this, if
you look at the AFC playoff picture right now, there's
not really anybody, at least to me, that really scares
you other than Kansas City because it's just that's Mahomes
and that is Andy Reid. If they get into the postseason,
even as the seventh seed or something, they're always going

(14:47):
to be a team to fear. But if you're the Pats,
you've already beaten Buffalo. You lost to Pittsburgh in a
game you actually should have won considering how many times
you turned the ball over in the red zone. You
have a big test against Baltimore coming up the week
before Christmas, so that'll be a huge litmus test the
culture having a phenomenal season, But Daniel Jones the last
couple of weeks looks more and more like the Daniel
Jones for the past few seasons with the Giants, and

(15:08):
Denver's good but far from unbeatable at this point in time.

Speaker 2 (15:11):
So I don't know if it's necessarily.

Speaker 3 (15:13):
Improbable, especially Adam, if the Patriots find a way to
get the best record in the league and have home
field advantage throughout the AFC playoffs, I think that can
loom large as to what kind of impact they can
make it, what kind of run they can make in
the postseason.

Speaker 1 (15:27):
With the Patriots being this good and the way they're ascending,
I gotta ask you a question, pop quiz, hotshot, is
it time to look at the Oakland Raiders differently? The
Raiders shuck who beat them in Week one? Right? That happened?
No on the road.

Speaker 3 (15:43):
I think this is the old college football who was
Week one figuring stuff out.

Speaker 2 (15:47):
There's a little bit of an.

Speaker 1 (15:48):
Aberration Florida State beating Alabama Week one, mean anything.

Speaker 3 (15:52):
The Patriots found out, you know who they were, and
we found out who the Raiders.

Speaker 2 (15:56):
Were at this point in time.

Speaker 1 (15:56):
So look if they go on and win the Super Bowl, though,
and I'm a Raiders fan, and I'm like, we beat
that team. It may have been four months ago, but
we beat that Patriots team.

Speaker 2 (16:06):
What about carrying that one?

Speaker 1 (16:08):
What about this the Patriots? Now everybody wants to talk
about them because they were featured on Thursday Night Football
and Drake May and the numbers are astounding, but they
were flying under the radar a little bit till the
last two or three weeks. Yep, similar to the Seattle
Seahawks and the NFC who people weren't taking that seriously.
And now you look at the numbers and the record
and they got a huge game against the Rams. We'll

(16:29):
talk about at some point tonight. Could we get a
rematch of that Super Bowl this season without Pete Carroll
on the sidelines choosing to throw it instead of running
the football with Marshawn Lynch, Could that actually happened?

Speaker 3 (16:40):
Yeah, Because I mean, if you just look purely at
the way both teams are playing right now. So we
talked about New England. They have the great quarterback who's
playing at an MVP level. You have a great I don't.
We'll call it a dominant defense, but a playoff level
defense that's good enough to be able to get you
deep into the postseason.

Speaker 2 (16:55):
You can say the same thing about Seattle.

Speaker 3 (16:56):
Sam Donold's playing just as well, if not better than
he played lat season, at least the majority of last
season save for the last handful of games. For Minnesota,
their defenses is young, fast, and it's been spectacular. They
have a phenomenal offensive player in Jackson Smith and Jig
but and just traded for Rashid Shaheed.

Speaker 2 (17:13):
The question for Seattle is similar to that for New England.
We don't know how the.

Speaker 3 (17:17):
Patriots are gonna react when they make it to the postseason,
and namely how Drake may is gonna look in his
first taste of playoff football. We really don't know what
Sam Darnold's gonna look like again in a postseason situation,
because in the small sample size that we have in
him in big important games, it has not looked good.
So the question is how is he gonna look when
the games actually after these games don't matter, but they

(17:38):
really do matter when the postseason rolls around. So both
of these teams really have the exact same question that
need to be answered.

Speaker 1 (17:44):
All right, before we get out of here, there's another
question that has to be answered, quiz, since we've been
talking about him and the parallels to this story. Is
Bill Belichick gonna end up going back to the NFL
at some point? Could he take that New York Giants
job where he was the defensive coordinator when they won
the Super Bowl back with the Big Tuna Bill Parcells.

Speaker 2 (18:06):
If you were to believe him and his statement that
he released.

Speaker 1 (18:09):
On Friday night, why would I do that?

Speaker 2 (18:10):
You would say, no, Yeah, I'd say why would I
do that? Yeah?

Speaker 3 (18:14):
Because I can remember a press conference that Nick Saban
hild when he was the head coach of the Miami Dolphins.
Nick Saban, by the way, a close personal friend of
Bill Belichick and colleague.

Speaker 1 (18:22):
Birds of a Feather.

Speaker 3 (18:23):
Huh yeah, absolutely, So that we can't act like that's
not relevant. He stood in front of the Miami media
and said, I don't know what else you want me
to tell you.

Speaker 2 (18:30):
I'm not going to Alabama.

Speaker 3 (18:32):
Was it even ten days later that he was in
Tuscaloosa with a big smile on his face.

Speaker 1 (18:37):
I mean, that's the quickest anybody's died on a hill
that they made.

Speaker 2 (18:40):
I mean, it's incredible. So and look, I'm not gonna
paint him.

Speaker 3 (18:44):
I wouldn't paint him as a liar if he decided
to take an NFL job, because what they could always
say is all circumstances changed. That changed my mind. You know,
I had a falling out with the Board of Regent
whatever excuse you want to make up.

Speaker 1 (18:56):
We thought it was over with North Carolina three weeks ago.
There were all these rumors that it's toxicity everywhere there,
it's system of the down, it's that bad.

Speaker 2 (19:05):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (19:05):
Well, now, look they've they've won a couple of games,
so they've salvaged a little bit. At the very released,
there's an element of if you're gonna come in and
up an unseat the apple cart or upset the apple card,
excuse me, turn over tables, firing people, changing the way
things go. If there are people who are incumbents that
are still there, they're probably gonna be a little salty
about things changing. I don't know if they're changing for

(19:27):
the better or the worse or not. But whether you
agreed with the Belichick higher, whether you like the stuff
he's doing with the Jordan Hudson stuff, whether Michae Lombardi's
a little too abrasive for a lot of people. They're
not gonna They're not gonna blow these guys out after
one year. So Bill Belichick is gonna leave on his
own on his own volition here in the next couple
of seasons. Now, if it bottoms out and he wins

(19:48):
one game next year, sure, But outside of something extreme,
the thought that Bill Belichick was gonna be a one
and done at North Carolina and it was gonna be
their call to get rid of him is never gonna happen.

Speaker 2 (19:58):
The only way he leaves North Carolina is if it's
going to be his choice.

Speaker 1 (20:02):
I would like to see him back in the NFL,
to be honest the whole We're going to be the
thirty third NFL team as a college team at North Carolina.
It feels more like a retirement home type of trip
for him where he doesn't seem that engage. He's got
a twenty four year old girlfriend. I want to see
him back with the edge that he had at the

(20:25):
professional level.

Speaker 3 (20:26):
Well, here's the issue too, I mean, how much edge
did he have left at the pro level because look
at how things like we talked about a couple of
minutes ago, how look how things ended in New England.
It was so bad when New England let him go
and he was a free agent as a head coach.
The Falcons were the only team that even interviewed him
and their openings, you know, seither Raiders were open. There
were a couple of jobs, there were a handful of
jobs that were absolutely open, and Bill Belichick couldn't even

(20:48):
gardner an interview for those franchises. So what does that
tell you, Well, maybe the demand for Bill Belichick to
the NFL isn't as high as we assume it is.

Speaker 1 (20:55):
Oh, it could have dried up. But if there's a
way to get your edge back, it's going to a
team like the New York Giants, dealing with that media
and those pressers, and we may get him back to
being as obstinate and as cantankerous as he used to
be and as stubborn as he used to be. And
on to Cincinnati, Like that's the Bill Belichick. I need
back in my life.

Speaker 3 (21:16):
Oh you know what we have back in our lives
as Breed, I just heard her in my ear b.
Did you bring me a drink?

Speaker 4 (21:20):
Now?

Speaker 1 (21:20):
You're die Coke on its way?

Speaker 2 (21:22):
Oh, come on, die coke with what the bourburn in
there or something?

Speaker 1 (21:25):
Right late nine hour? I'm not drinking. Kevin's got a
drink for two? Now for three?

Speaker 2 (21:30):
Apparently you're Breed ain't getting me for herself either, Got
all right?

Speaker 1 (21:33):
At least we'll wait till after the show here. But
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Speaker 1 (22:57):
Keming up, we got stranger than fiction. A gym teacher
sets a new Guinness Book of World record in basketball.
But we got to talk about what occurred in the
al MVP voting in Major League Baseball. Now, nobody's going
to argue about Otani. Nobody even cares who was second.
I don't even know, pretty sure was Kyle Schwarber. But

(23:20):
it was pretty much a two horse race between those two.
People in Philly might argue against it. They can argue
all they won. Otwani had like five innings pitch during
the regular season, and that's good enough.

Speaker 3 (23:29):
It was like forty seven for the two eight seven rora.
I believe it was fifty five home runs.

Speaker 4 (23:35):
You know.

Speaker 2 (23:35):
It was a pretty impeccable unicorn stuff. Yes, but for
a catcher, Yeah.

Speaker 1 (23:43):
To hit sixty home runs, that's also unicorn stuff.

Speaker 2 (23:47):
Yes, switch hitting catcher at that.

Speaker 1 (23:49):
By the way, cayl Rawly lost in first place votes
seventeen to thirteen to Aaron Judge.

Speaker 4 (23:55):
Yep.

Speaker 1 (23:56):
This was something we were going to get into before
the voting came out, but because it comes out so late,
it's so convenient to be able to talk about this
story now since we have the final result.

Speaker 3 (24:06):
Is this like the Major League Baseball trying to like
mimic the NFL and trying to stay relevant for as
long as they possibly can. Probably, like the NFL stays
relevant year round. The combine, the draft, mini camps, all
that stuff.

Speaker 1 (24:16):
It stretches out.

Speaker 3 (24:17):
Yeah, baseball season ended two weeks ago and here they
are just now getting out their awards.

Speaker 1 (24:21):
It keeps us talking about them. The World Series was
so one week ago, like yeah, right, Yeah, it feels
like we're moving pretty quickly in a twenty four to
seven sports news cycle. I gotta say it was close
enough to me where I wouldn't be upset whoever won.

(24:42):
But I do think cal Rally has an interesting case
only because people keep saying, look at the numbers with
Aaron Judge, no kidding, his numbers are better. He's not
sitting down and doing the most demanding physical thing in
baseball like cal Raley was doing, which is why he's
the only guy at his position ever to hit that

(25:05):
many home runs. It's very unique. It is a one off.
It's the triple double in basketball, which became the norm. Yeah,
a little bit for Russell Westbrook.

Speaker 2 (25:17):
And James Harden got in there too.

Speaker 1 (25:18):
Yeah, guys did it enough times that it felt like
it wasn't a special This is special.

Speaker 2 (25:23):
Yeah, this is probably never going to be duplicated again.

Speaker 1 (25:26):
No, I was looking. I was thinking about Mike Piazza. Yeah, like,
he never hit more than forty, and people accused him
of doing royds when he was hitting forty.

Speaker 2 (25:37):
He was also hitting like three point thirty or whatever too,
which was insane.

Speaker 1 (25:40):
They also accused him of being gay, not that there's
anything wrong with that, but that's well.

Speaker 3 (25:44):
He felt that it was false enough and important enough
to hold the press conference only to announce that he
wasn't gay.

Speaker 1 (25:50):
So was it the bleached hair like?

Speaker 2 (25:54):
I don't know what it was.

Speaker 1 (25:55):
I don't know either, but that was the most awkward
press conference of all time. Yeah, I'm just saying. There
are I think six guys total in Major League Baseball
history that have hit sixty home runs.

Speaker 2 (26:09):
Make it seven, he's seven he had. Kyl Riley is
the seventh. Yes, do you know.

Speaker 1 (26:13):
Who the other six are? Kevin shot off top.

Speaker 3 (26:17):
I know a couple, but I can't say I probably
don't know all of them. So you got bonds and
bonds in there, Sosa maguire, That is correct, alright?

Speaker 2 (26:28):
What else? Who else?

Speaker 1 (26:29):
Aaron Judge who got the sixty two and twenty twenty
two in one over Otani and Babe Ruth, Roger Merris.

Speaker 4 (26:39):
There you go.

Speaker 1 (26:40):
Cal Rawley's in that group.

Speaker 2 (26:41):
Now.

Speaker 3 (26:42):
The problem is, and look, he's I mean he's not old,
but he's also not He's not twenty one either. He's
not going to be anywhere close to those names with
the remainder of his career. This, for all intents and purposes,
no disrespect to him is a one off, and some
people think And so here's the question to Adam too,
because the novelty of it we talked about. You talked

(27:03):
about the fact that he's a catcher playing a demanding
defensive position. He called one hundred and twenty plus games
this year at catcher while also hitting all of those
home runs. How much does the context matter when talking
about the MVP, how much of him leading the Mariners
to their first Division championship since two thousand and one,
narratives like that, the fact that this is such a novelty,

(27:24):
does that skew the way that you think about whether
or not you would give him the nod over someone
like Aaron Judge who's having a phenomenal season and you know,
to hit three twenty and have that many home runs
in RBI is incredible. But it's not like we haven't
seen Judge do something similar to this before.

Speaker 1 (27:42):
The romantic side of them winning for the first time
since two thousand and one, tucked away up in the
Pacific Northwest with the Seattle Mariners, that means less to
me than just him being a catcher like he's doing
something because in baseball we try to measure everything. Yeah,
and in this case, there's a real and tangible that

(28:02):
we can't grasp outside of players and their experience of
talking about it and how difficult it is to catch
every day. And I think eleven of his came as
a DH but still he's over fifty home runs playing
the catcher position. Like we want to measure everything, there
is stat casting trackers for everything out there nowadays. So

(28:29):
to me, you have to grade him versus other catchers,
And how much better is he against other guys who
have played that position. And I was looking at war
and Will Smith has a war of four. He's second
wins above replacement. Not perfect, it's not a perfect measurement.

(28:50):
It's not perfect stat than never are. Cal Rawley has
a war of nine, by the way, more than twice
as high for comparison's sake.

Speaker 3 (29:00):
It's a different position at outfield, but judge at the
highest the hills was like nine point six at least
according to fangrabs. There's different measurements for this, but so
the gap was not that wide. So when you talk
about war, which for a lot of people kind of
use as a big measuring stick to determine someone's value
to the team that they play for.

Speaker 1 (29:17):
It's a nice simple catch all, I guess, but how
many is he hitting if he's putting the physical toll
on his body? Aaron Judge, of what cal Rawly did?
He ain't hitting six, he ain't hitting what did he
end up with? Fifty five?

Speaker 2 (29:32):
Had three? He had fifty three.

Speaker 1 (29:34):
Down year for Aaron Judge, I mean that does speak
to his greatness slacker, and he shouldn't have that held
against him. I'm not doing that. I am just saying, like,
what is more difficult? What is more taxing? I think
hitting sixty as a catcher is now a lot of
the other numbers.

Speaker 4 (29:51):
You know.

Speaker 1 (29:51):
Aaron Judge obviously has him in batting average by like
seventy points.

Speaker 2 (29:55):
Yes, everybody.

Speaker 3 (29:55):
I mean he won the batting title in the AL
and would have won the National league going away on.

Speaker 1 (30:00):
Base percentage, slugging percentage ops ops plus. Although cal Rawley
hasn't in some of the clutch stats in those areas
this season where he came up big in big spots.

Speaker 3 (30:13):
Yeah, one thing I will say that kind of works
in Aaron judges favor. You don't see power hitters also
hit for average like this. There is especially in recent
years like this is Barry Bonds type stuff, where you're
hitting three twenty and you're also hitting sixty bombs other
than him over the past forty years. You really don't
all the power hitters we talked about. And you can

(30:33):
go back to Mayor sure, a long time ago, but
your sosas these guys were hitting two fifty to sixty
even in the height of their home run chases. These
guys are not tearing the cover off the ball hitting
three twenty. It's really difficult, especially today's day and age
in Major League Baseball, just to hit three hundred. In general,
I think Trey Turner won the batting title in the
National League and hit what like three zho five or.

Speaker 2 (30:53):
Something or three oh seven, something like that. Yeah, Aaron
Judge hit three twenty one, hit for average, and hit
for power. That's really difficult to do too.

Speaker 1 (31:01):
I have no issue with him winning. I just want
to examine how close this was well or if cal
Raley had won. Would there really be an uproar? Would
people say we're taking Aaron Judge for granted, we're holding
recent success against him. He's a victim of his own
greatness over the years. I actually think if cal Rawley won,
most people would have shut up and been like, you

(31:22):
know what, We're never going to see this again. This
is the cal Raley season and we need to celebrate
it further into the offseason.

Speaker 4 (31:30):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (31:31):
You know, if Aaron Judge had been a good player
throughout his career but never really had a breakout season
until now, because he's a Yankee where he plays and
all that, I think that would have played into it.
But because he's had already won a couple of MVPs
coming into it, he's put up great numbers, we kind
of know the kind of player that he is.

Speaker 2 (31:47):
I tend to agree that.

Speaker 3 (31:48):
I think a lot of people would say it'd be
good if Aaron Judge won it. But it's a really
cool story for someone like cal Raley to etch his
name into the record books. Aaron Judge was going to
be an all time great regardless of what happened this season,
the numbers he had already put up, if he continues
on the trajectory that he's on, he'll be amazing. Kyle
Rally is going to be a guy. No disrespect to him,
and look, maybe he flipped the switch and maybe he'll

(32:09):
hit forty home runs the remainder of his career going forward.
Who knows, some guys find it late. Cliff Lee was
a pitcher and founded past the age of thirty and
got it late and was a great pitcher of the
last seven eight years of his career, So it can't happen.
But that's unlikely. So this is most likely going to
be a flash in the pan. The greatest season of
Kyle Raley's professional life.

Speaker 2 (32:28):
And it would have been cool to be.

Speaker 3 (32:30):
Able to say that he was able to get himself
an MVP award because he's probably never gonna sniff it again.

Speaker 1 (32:35):
For me, I don't want to say that's the factor,
but it's something that wouldn't push him over the edge.
For me, I just can't stop thinking about how no
other catcher has gotten close to this in Major League baseball.
He ended up hitting over eight percent of home runs
by all catchers this year in Major League Baseball, and

(32:56):
to do it late in the season in a division
where when he hit number sixty and I think sixty
one in the same game in Seattle and the crowd
was chanting for him before he hit it, it felt
like a damn movie out there. You're not supposed to
have What happens with catchers is and I saw this
with Buster Posey. You look at his power numbers and

(33:16):
I don't know if he hit more than thirty. He
was around there at his tops when he won the
MVP in twenty twelve. I think it was. You see
the toll it takes as the season goes along. It
SAPs their power, it SAPs their energy. They don't have
sustained power and energy throughout the entire season, and cal
Rawley was like getting stronger as the year went along.

(33:39):
That to me was so incredible. I just it defies logic, nature,
everything we know about the position. And if it wasn't baseball,
because this Baseball Riders are America. The vote for this
right correct? Yes, what if it was more former players?
Because typically I am good with the writers, but this
is a really unique case where I need more inputs

(34:00):
from guys who have played the position or are just
played Major League Baseball and know how difficult this is.
I feel like we needed to hear more from former
players because I remember John Smoltz and it was the
announcer name slips my mind, Joe Davis. During the playoff
run they were talking about it a little bit, and

(34:21):
Joe Davis was like, yeah, Aaron Judge, and John Smoltz
was like, he was like stunned of cow in the
same way people get stunned by Otani and everything he's
able to do because they know how difficult it is,
because they have played. And I think that has to
carry a little bit more weight in this situation, and
it doesn't by the voters because they aren't former players.

(34:42):
I think that's something to consider here.

Speaker 3 (34:44):
And also talking about playing the catcher position, the most
difficult defensive position in all of baseball, not only because
you're squatting back there for hours at a time, you're
controlling a pitching staff. They have the tenth best era
in the major leagues. It's not great, but tenth out
of thirties certainly ain't terrible. I mean, how much are
you impacting and affecting the game every night?

Speaker 2 (35:03):
I mean immensely, every single thing filters through you.

Speaker 1 (35:07):
I used to think when Buster Posey was catching during
the playoffs, typically his numbers would go down hitting wise,
but he called such great games for the Giants when
they won three and five years. I was like, I
don't care about his power numbers. What matters is what
a good game he calls out there and how comfortable
pitchers are with him. So that should be one of
the variables, a big one in this case.

Speaker 3 (35:28):
Well, the last point, and I think the writer's got
a right to a certain degree. I mean, two more
votes go his way. We actually end up with a tie,
which I don't know if that's ever happened before in
the history of Major League Baseball.

Speaker 2 (35:39):
I know what's happened to the NFL.

Speaker 3 (35:41):
Peyton Manning and Steve McNair shared one, Barry Sanders, Brett Favre.

Speaker 2 (35:46):
Maybe did they share it one?

Speaker 1 (35:47):
Okay, it feels like there's definitely one more.

Speaker 3 (35:49):
I know that Rookie of the Year in the NBA
there was a share. Jason Kidd shared it with hand Hill,
I believe. So we've had this happen in the past
and informers pro sports, but we were just two other votes.
He who first plays votes for cal rally away from
this being a tie, and then everybody's happy or everybody's
upset at that point, I'm not sure how we judge it,
how we judge no pun intended at that point.

Speaker 1 (36:10):
Where Americans, we don't do ties here, all right, coming
up next, there's an American that may be better at
shooting three pointers than Steph Curry. Shut your mouth, who
dropped like forty eight tonight? And a win over the
San Antonio Spurs. An unknown player in Maine maybe the

(36:31):
greatest shooter of all time. We'll have that for you
coming up next. And stranger than fiction Here on F
and A on FSR.

Speaker 5 (36:37):
It's time to kick ass and chew bubble gum, and
I am all out of gum.

Speaker 2 (36:42):
Fn A cotton.

Speaker 3 (36:45):
Back here in F and A on FSR, Fox Football Saturday.
Coming up next hour, we will have the NFL six pack.
We will also speak to Fox Sports radio host and
former NFL offensive lineman Ephraim Salaam.

Speaker 2 (36:56):
But coming up right now, Adam, what do we have?

Speaker 1 (36:58):
Stranger than fiction? Baby, let's go papers. A fast food
customer defending perticises n called nine to one one after
her McDonald's run out of McNuggets.

Speaker 2 (37:06):
Strange.

Speaker 6 (37:07):
They did a drunk man riding a horse at EWI
and he got Unlike card boards, just don't have motors.

Speaker 4 (37:12):
They have a mind in their own.

Speaker 1 (37:14):
Strange things begin twenty four year old man now jues
they're throwing an alligator through a drive through window. Too high, strange.

Speaker 7 (37:26):
Fish.

Speaker 1 (37:27):
So we know the league in the NBA is leaning
into three point shooting more so than ever.

Speaker 2 (37:33):
Thanks to him, they've leaned forward, they've fallen into the pool.

Speaker 1 (37:37):
Now you're right, this isn't and he are you? Okay?
This is not that type of lean they have fallen in.
Teams are averaging thirty seven point two to three pointers
per game this season, which is shockingly down from thirty
seven points six to three pointers per game last season.
But we got a lot of time to go. But
if you go back ten years, teams were taking thirteen

(37:59):
less three pointers per game then, and obviously twenty years
we're talking like twenty less three pointers.

Speaker 2 (38:05):
Oh, they were taking like four and a half a
game or something.

Speaker 1 (38:07):
Now, why do they take more threes? Because they're worth
more than two's check out?

Speaker 4 (38:13):
You know.

Speaker 3 (38:13):
Someone once famously asked Antoine Walker why he shoot so
many threes, and his answer was because they don't have
any fours.

Speaker 1 (38:20):
But they're snipers everywhere now like it's counter strike. You
even got a social media star named the Lethal Shooter, Yes,
real name, Chris Matthews. To hardball different Chris Matthews, he's
out there putting dude perfect guys to shame with his accuracy.
I've seen him shoot a gummy bear into a water
bottle from mike half court. He's like bulls Eye and Daredevil.

(38:42):
He doesn't miss why because he understands it now. Uh.
There are, though, some weekend warriors who are still getting
after it, like this gym teacher formerly known as mister
Maine Basketball, Ryan Martin, teaching at Seiko Middle School, who

(39:03):
just set his third Guinness Book of World Records title
for a basketball feat as get this, Kevin. He hit
one thousand, five hundred and sixteen high school three pointers
in one hour.

Speaker 2 (39:17):
Now, I don't believe it.

Speaker 1 (39:18):
He attempted one thousand, six hundred and eighty three and
hit one thousand, five hundred and sixteen in one hour.
That means, by my math, you are getting up just
over twenty eight threes a minute. And he shot ninety
percent from three in an hour.

Speaker 2 (39:34):
That is insane. I talk about dead arm. My god.

Speaker 1 (39:37):
So the record was one thousand, three hundred and seventy two.
He exceeded it by one hundred and forty five made shots.
He previously broke a Guinness World record by sinking one thousand,
one hundred and thirty three thirty four to three pointers
in one hour from the NBA style three point line,
which is like three feet back.

Speaker 3 (39:56):
So this guy has to be in the three point shootout, right,
you would think I will love to say, like a
regular everyday Joe high school gym teacher in a three
point shootout against a professional athlete.

Speaker 2 (40:05):
Because this guy's a ringer. Obviously, this is what he does.
I know he's not a professional player, but he might
thrive in a situation like that. That's an All Star
weekend event that I want to see.

Speaker 1 (40:13):
He might be five eight. I was trying to look
up his specs and what he did in college. It
looked like he might have only played like ten games.
But he also has the record for most free throws
made in an hour, twenty four hundred and ninety four.
He's a lethal shooter. He's nasty. Scuy can shoot.

Speaker 2 (40:29):
I love it.

Speaker 3 (40:30):
Let's get him into the NBA All Star Weekend. I
might actually watch this time. If that's the case.

Speaker 1 (40:34):
Get him against Steph Curry, whoever is the best in
the WNBA. I'm all for it. At into a dome
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Speaker 1 (40:59):
Hey from Salam coming up very next segment, our Fox
Sports Radio coworker, whether he likes it or not. We
got to give you our low level amateur opinions though
here in the NFL Week eleven, and we do that
with this mark time for the NFL six pack. All right,

(41:21):
Ken hot seat heat check.

Speaker 3 (41:24):
Yes, six categories, all surrounding the National Football League category
number one, as we do each and every single week
here on fn A on FSR, the hot seat heat
check the coach or player under the most pressure headed
into this weekend of NFL action, Adam, where do you
want to start?

Speaker 1 (41:42):
You know where I'm gonna start. I'm starting with my
Panthers fandom. It is on the hot seat. Some say
I've been waffling back and forth this season on whether
they are my Panthers again or just the Panthers, and
I can't decide if I want to be a fan
of them again. But now I'm basically sitting on a
waffle iron. That's how hot my seat is as a

(42:05):
Panther's fan, where I might stand up and walk out
at any moment. After they somehow lost at home to
Breeze New Orleans Saints, the fans there at Bank of
America Stadium should have had a walk out to illustrate
their disgust. They should have to take some of those
paper bags from Saints fans and put them over the

(42:25):
Panther statue out front of the arena.

Speaker 3 (42:27):
Can the Panther fans do what the Panther owner did
and walk out and just flip off the entire team
as they walk out of the stadium.

Speaker 2 (42:34):
Maybe that would have done something.

Speaker 1 (42:37):
If you you're cool, they should have locked the team
in the closet for seven minutes of hell with the
disgrace statue of Jerry Richardson that was taken down and
hidden somewhere in the bowels of the stadium at Bank
of America Stadium. I'm not sure the team has had
worse losses than this in their history, which is saying something.

(42:57):
But when you are this close to losing me again,
a pathetic fair Weather fan, you know things.

Speaker 2 (43:03):
Are bad as Fairweather as he gets.

Speaker 1 (43:05):
It's kinda the reversal of the Godfather three line that
everyone remembers, even though most didn't even watch the movie
because it pales in comparisons to the first two.

Speaker 3 (43:14):
Dereby shears, like, oh, Godfather three suck. Don't even watch it.
So there's a large sext of the population who just
haven't watched it.

Speaker 1 (43:19):
Well, we've seen this scene, and I'm gonna put a
twist on this because this is me and my Panthers
fandom right now. Just when I thought I was in,
they pulled me back out. I was back in. They
were five and four with a real chance of making
the playoffs, which I predicted. I said the Saints were
too easy victories, meaning they were really seven and four

(43:39):
at the time, and instead they lose at home to them,
ain'ts Tyler Schuck out played Bryce Young. His quarterback rating
was twice as high as Young's, Like he's twice as
tall as Bryce Young as well, I feel twice as
high just saying that right now, Like, how is it

(44:00):
is five o'clock? Frequent giveaway? I must have been on
something thinking the Panthers actually were capable of taking advantage
of two free wins. Now they face an Atlanta team
on the road who are going to be upset and
looking for payback because Carolina beat them thirty to nothing
earlier this season. I could see them returning the favor.

(44:21):
The Panthers have completely fallen out of favor with me
once again. They burn me enough times that my fanship
is on the hot seat and my tush is simmering
and squealing like a teapot used to build tension in
a horror movie. Because that's what it's like watching these Panthers.
I'm stuck in a horror movie, a loop, a groundhog Day,
like that Happy Death Day movie. That's what happens to

(44:44):
us every Sunday as we die a little more following
this team. That's why their uniforms are black for the
never ending funeral they just put us through. Here lies
another failed season of being a Carolina Panthers fan.

Speaker 3 (44:57):
Until they win this weekend and next weekend and their
back in the playoff race and Adams back to wearing
his Carolina Panther cap again.

Speaker 1 (45:02):
Well, no, that's different, by the way, I don't see
it happening.

Speaker 3 (45:06):
Yeah, lest I mix up my owners do it behaving poorly.
The Jerry Jones is the one that flipped off fans.
It was the owner of the Carolina Panthers who threw
a drink at a fan.

Speaker 1 (45:17):
Yeah right.

Speaker 3 (45:18):
The Carolina Panthers players all through their drinks at the players,
the fans of the drinks at the players.

Speaker 2 (45:23):
I think that would be suitable for what happened to
them last week.

Speaker 1 (45:25):
That would make for a good segment like we used
to do with NFL players gone wild. Oh, the girl's
gone wild, it's gone owner's gone wild. Maybe we'll get
to it at some point. But who's on your hot seat?
Who's your hot seat? Heat check?

Speaker 3 (45:39):
Evan Adam, I am sticking with this exact same game,
but I'm flipping it on you. I'm actually going to
Raheem Morris and the Atlanta Falcons in this game. Oh
because I started earlier in the season and I was
in the minority. Granted, it seems like I thought Atlanta
was primed for to make a bit of a jump
this year. Whether that meant actually making the playoffs or
not sure debatable, but I certainly thought they'd be good
enough to at least be in the conversation by the

(46:01):
time we got to like early December, I looked at
what they had going for them this year coming into
this a defense that got an infusion of talent in
the draft, and offensive unit that has the best running
back in the NFL, or at least one of them,
and be John, a top eight receiver in Drake London,
second year quarterback who a lot of pundits thought will
take a giant step forward this year.

Speaker 2 (46:19):
After you played decently the last five.

Speaker 3 (46:21):
Six games of last season, and they had a schedule
that's not necessarily easy on paper, but certainly favorable enough
to where you could see your path to nine or
ten wins. Well, you fast forward through the first nine
games of this season, they are three and six. They're
hopes of making any sort of run in the postseason
are not officially dead, but for all intentsive purposes, I'll
put it this way, their life support is on life support,

(46:44):
if that makes sense. So it's hard to say they've
even played well enough to win last week against the
Colts in Germany because Indians shot themselves in the foot
so much it was insane. Two turnovers, missfield goal, they
got stopped on fourth down twice, the Colts had over
five hundred yards of offense, with Jonathan Taylor having two
hundred and forty four on the ground by himself. If
not for the Colt self inflicted wounds, the Falcons would

(47:06):
have gotten run out of the entire continent of Europe.

Speaker 2 (47:08):
It would have been that ugly.

Speaker 3 (47:10):
So outside of a throw here and there, when it
comes to Michael Pennis, he looks more like an overmatch
rookie at times than a second year top ten pick
on the ascent. So now, before the season began, Arthur
Blank did say this Adham. He said he expected Atlanta
to quote have a very competitive season.

Speaker 2 (47:27):
Now that's a pretty vague term. I don't know exactly
what that means. Does that mean playing in close games
but not necessarily winning a lot of them? Does that
mean being in the playoff race down the stretch of
the season. If it's the former, then I guess they're
living up to expectations. I mentioned they're three and six.
They did beat Buffalo at Minnesota. I would say those
are two pretty good wins.

Speaker 3 (47:47):
But you mentioned thirty to nothing to Carolina blown out
by the Dolphins.

Speaker 2 (47:51):
Granted, Kirk Cousin started.

Speaker 3 (47:52):
In that game, so maybe you get a bit of
a mulligan for that one, but three point loss to Tampa,
ten point loss to San Francisco when San Francisco scored
that last touchdown with just under the two minute warnings,
so that was late.

Speaker 2 (48:03):
It was a closed game.

Speaker 3 (48:04):
And then at one point lost to the Patriots, who
we lauded at the top of the show as being
a Super Bowl contender. And then the six point loss
as we mentioned to the Coats last week. So only
Arthur Blank knows exactly what is expectations for this team
were coming into the season. I know this, At this
current pace, they were end the season with five wins.
They won eight games last year at them eight, So

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we can argue about whether or not Atlanta should be
a playoff team this season. You know, I said I
thought they might be able. You said you didn't think
they would beat That's fine.

Speaker 2 (48:35):
I know this.

Speaker 3 (48:35):
The over under for them coming into the year was
nine wins at worst. I thought they might be finished
with eight. Again, some were huffing around five hundred.

Speaker 2 (48:45):
Not this bad.

Speaker 1 (48:46):
Oh wait, have they lost to the Saints yet? Have
they done what the Panthers have done? Are they that bad?

Speaker 2 (48:51):
I don't think they've quite lost to the Saints yet.

Speaker 1 (48:52):
Well, yeah, the Saints only have two wins and ones
against the Panthers and ones against NFL Europe team or
something I don't know.

Speaker 3 (48:59):
Doesn't get so I am going to place them and
Raheem Morris, and maybe it's not necessarily his fault, but
I'm gonna place him under the microscope here.

Speaker 2 (49:08):
I think this is a must win situation.

Speaker 3 (49:10):
You got embarrassed by the Panthers earlier in the season,
like you mentioned, if you had any designs of trying
to salvage this season, this is a game that you
absolutely have to have.

Speaker 1 (49:21):
You can't lose to a team that just lost to
the Saints. That is embarrassing. Mark, what's up next here?
Trap game tap boy? Did I cook with my trap
game tap last week saying the Dolphins were gonna give
the Bills all they could handle and then some. I
don't know if I actually picked them to beat them,
but I thought it'd be a good game. It was

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for Miami fans. Eighth time was the charm as they
broke a seven game losing streak to the Buffalo Bills,
which had Mike McDaniel stunting on them bills fans outside
of a bar as he drove by trolling. I know
it was him. Ai could never reproduce that one of
a kind a man I have nicknamed bad boy Rick

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moranis AI could easily create a picture of a generic
white bald guy with a beard, though also known as
Brian Dable, who Mike McDaniel somehow outlived as a head coach,
with Dable getting the boot out of New York earlier
this week. I actually have sympathy for him though, despite
stereotyping him a second ago. He was in a no

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win situation. If you don't have Jackson Dart run, you're
going to lose the game and your job, because that's
what makes him dangerous. But if you do let Dart
run and pretend to be white Vic out there, which
will make you more competitive, he'll eventually get injured. He's
been in the tent four times now, and that will
also make you lose your job. There's no way he

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could keep his job, but he at least took the
root that bought him a little bit more time, putting
the franchise quarterback at risk. I actually think with a
new interim coach with the Giants, and Mike Kafka this week.
They might get a little boost no matter who is
the quarterback. And I'm not saying the Giants beat the
Packers at home with Jamis Winston it looks like but

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I could see it being somewhat competitive because the pack
played bad teams and good teams close. They're currently third
in the NFC North now behind the Bears. Those cheeseheads
are looking moldy and stinky. I don't trust them even
on the road against the Giants. I think this could
be a tap game trap.

Speaker 3 (51:28):
What are you going with here, Kevin Adam, We are
in lockstep man for real. I actulutely have this as
a trap game for the Green Bay Packers for many
of the same reasons that you pointed to. One Well,
despite the Packer offense just being one of the biggest
enigmas in the entire league, I'll give a credit and
shout out to their defense fifth and total defense ninth
and scoring defense. They've been doing their job. Go back

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to that Monday night game against Philadelphia. Granted, the Eagles
are not the greatest offensive unit on the planet, despite
the fact they have all that talent, but they played
them extremely well. They helped that they did everything within
their power to make sure they can that game. That
loss was not on the Green Bay defense. So you mentioned,
here comes a Giant team after another blown double digit lead,
firing their head coach. Their starting quarterback is out with

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the concussion, their backup quarterback has now been benched for
a journeyman who's more famous for all field quotes than
the way that he plays on the field. All that
being said, yes, this is a dangerous spot for Green Bay.
We've seen a couple of times this year and I
realized college football, for many intentsive purposes, is a completely
different sport.

Speaker 2 (52:26):
Than the NFL. But we've seen the interim coach effect
work positively.

Speaker 3 (52:31):
Penn State was knocking on the door if not for
a spectacular catch last week of beating Indiana. Look what
UCLA did going on a three game win streak after
Deshaun Foster got fired. So I do think there's a
little bit of an interim coach shock effect, whatever you
want to call it, that can happen in situations like this.
I know, I just took a shot at Jamis once
in a second ago, but it's not like he can't play.

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We know he has a cannon for an arm. He
can make every throw. Now who those throws are gonna
go to as a wildcard? Sure, we never really know.

Speaker 1 (52:57):
He's gonna have a thirty touchdown, thirty pick game. Very
well might yeah, and I'm here for it.

Speaker 2 (53:03):
By the way.

Speaker 3 (53:04):
Uh, but you know, on paper, the Packers should dominate
a Giants team that has all these things working against them.
It includes the fact, to your point that a lot
of their offensive success recently has been because Jackson Dark
has run the ball, and that's gonna be something they're
not gonna have in their disposal because Jameis Winston is
you know, his feet are in concrete back there in
the pocket.

Speaker 2 (53:24):
He can't move a lick. But we know game's not
played on paper.

Speaker 3 (53:28):
Packers have been just inconsistent enough while the Giants might
get enough of an interim boost like you were talking
about for Mike Kafka to make green Bay sweat a
lot in this in this in this matchup, and by
the way, this is a bit of a trap game
in a traditional sense because next week green Bay has
to play against Minnesota. That's gonna be a huge game,
a swing game in the NFC, in the NFC East standings.

Speaker 1 (53:48):
It's a look past opponent with the Giants.

Speaker 2 (53:50):
Yeah, nor excuse me, I'm with you.

Speaker 1 (53:53):
I think, uh, maybe you and I could partner up.
We're sharing the same brain with our trap game tap.
But we still got a lot to get to later
in the hour, will go to beer Goggles game in
our NFL six pack plus our old Troy epic fail.
But Kevin, what's coming up next year?

Speaker 3 (54:07):
Coming up next? Our friend Ephraim Salam. You hear him
on Fox Football Sunday with Mark Willard. He was a
former offensive lineman in the NFL, played in the Super
Bowl at the Atlanta Falcons.

Speaker 2 (54:17):
He's gonna come on talk to us about how real
the Patriots are or aren't.

Speaker 3 (54:21):
Talk about the Denver Broncos and the big litmus test
they have this weekend against Kansas City, and many many
more topics. Kevin figures Adam Allston fn A on FSR.

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Hi, what's the good word there? Fna Cottonna back with
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I cannot repeat on the air.

Speaker 1 (54:59):
There, Adam, are you stop wilding out over there?

Speaker 4 (55:01):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (55:02):
We'll playing like the gin and juice bed underneath us
right now.

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(55:47):
offensive lineman to talk about it with us.

Speaker 1 (55:49):
Let's go Alan Dragan Dude, thank you, Donny, all our
next guests. Went from being a San Diego State as
tech to breaking out of that egg and becoming a
dirty bird in the league and was the youngest player
in NFL history to start a Super Bowl at the
age of twenty two. And even though the Falcons may
have lost by that many points to Denver, he went
on to have a successful career that eclipsed a decade

(56:12):
like he eclipsed an enveloped defensive lineman that tried to
get by him, but nothing gets by him now as
he is talking about the game here on Fox Sports
Radio where you hear him weekends on Fox Football Sunday
with Mark Willard, It's Ephrom Salam back with us here
on FNA on FSR. E from thanks for doing this
once again.

Speaker 4 (56:32):
I had no problem, man, It's always a play.

Speaker 1 (56:34):
Let's go back to Thursday Night. You've seen Drake May,
You've seen the Pats. Are you putting them in that
contender status with how good they've looked?

Speaker 5 (56:45):
Oh?

Speaker 4 (56:45):
Wow, I think you have to. I mean, any team
is nine and two as far into the season, you
can't ignore them. For me, it's been Mike Rabel. He's
been the constant there. You come into a pro that
has been fledgling since Tom Brady stepped away and won
a Super Bowl with another team. You give Rid a Belichick.

(57:07):
You bring in Draw Mayo. That doesn't work for a year.
You bring in someone who people presume would be under
the same guide of the Belichick way because Mike played
for and won three Super Bowls under Bill Belichick. But
it's not. Mike has his own way of coaching, his
own style, the way he relates to the players. I

(57:30):
think he's one of the only former players and former
assistants to ever actually have a winning record against Belichick.
I believe. I'm not quite sure, but Drake may has
been phenomenal. But I also want to give Mike his
flowers because this is the first time he's actually had
a quarterback, a top tier quarterback. Remember his days in

(57:52):
Tennessee when he was the number one seed they had
to buy and he had Ryan Tannehill at quarterbacks. So
he's never had a top level you know, good, great
almost can be possibly be elite quarterback, and we're getting
a chance to see just what he can do with

(58:13):
a talent like Drake.

Speaker 2 (58:14):
May Let's keep it in the AFC East theory.

Speaker 3 (58:16):
From just your assessment of the Buffalo Bills, the team
that a lot of people thought was going to run
away with the division to shoe in to be the
top seed, and they've had some struggles this year.

Speaker 2 (58:24):
They got blown out.

Speaker 3 (58:25):
By Miami last week, and even in some of their wins,
they haven't looked at impressive. The Saints hung with them
for a bit, Miami hang hung with them on a
Thursday night early in the season. What are you seeing
as the big issues for Buffalo and do you think
at this point in time there's still one of the
favorites in the AFC despite their shaky performance so far
this season.

Speaker 4 (58:42):
Well, I think as long as you have someone like
Josh Allen that you have to consider them, you know,
a favorite whenever you have an elite quarterback, and that's
what Josh Allen is. He's an elite quarterback. You can't
count them out. My problem with the Bills is they
don't have enough weapons on the outside, and now having

(59:02):
one of their primary weapons in Kinkaid out with the
hamstring for this week. It's going to be tough slim
for them. They put all the onus on Josh Allen
to be the everything. It's not sair to him. The
defense isn't what it was the last few years, so
they're in a situation where this can really make or

(59:22):
break their season coming down the stretch. It's perplexing because
you would think, you're, like, Okay, well, they're a strong
of course, a strong one of the lead teams when
you have the reigning MVP. But at six and three
and in the middle of the road, you're wondering why
and why have they lost? The type of games this

(59:45):
past week was that was a hand scratcher. Nobody understood
how the Dolphins was able to put up thirty on
them and they were only managed able to manage thirteen.
We all thought the Dolphins were vying for the number
one pick in the draft, and so they're bad losses. Now, granted,
they played the Patriots team to a three point loss,

(01:00:05):
they played an Atlanta Falcons team to a ten point loss,
but that Dolphins loss really, you know, put a bad
taste in people's mouth. And I know if they did
Tampa Bay team. If they let Tampa come to town
and beat them, then we got to really rethink the
shaking out of the AFC.

Speaker 1 (01:00:23):
Former NFL offensive lineman now analyst here on Fox Sports
Radio E From salam Is with us on f and
A on FSR from talking about teams that they can't
afford many slip ups. The Ravens are on a razors
edge right now. Is Ravens FC backup? Though? In your mind?
Can they steal the AFC North from Pittsburgh?

Speaker 4 (01:00:45):
Well, I definitely think they can steal it. When you
look at the NFC North, which is once a dominant division,
they're a game out right their game out of Pittsburgh.
Pittsburgh is trying to figure out themselves. The one thing
that that the Baltimore Ravens have that Pittsburgh doesn't have
as Lamar Jackson at quarterback. Both defenses this year have

(01:01:06):
been hit and missed. When they force a bunch of turnovers,
then they play well above when they don't. So it's
one of those situations where if you look at Baltimore's schedule,
it's more conducive to them making a run than it
is for Pittsburgh make a run. Simply because you do

(01:01:26):
have Lamar Jackson. So they got the browns Necks, the Jets,
the Bengals, Distillers, the Bengals, and thet they run into,
you know what could be a huge pivotal game at
the Patriots. But you got four weeks. You got four
weeks where literally the Patriots to be a favorite in
each one of these games. And when you take a
look at that, now you're nine and four or nine

(01:01:49):
to five. Excuse me, Now that's a different conversation heading
into that Patriots game on December twenty. First, now, you
put yourself in position to, you know, not only win
the division, but solidify yourself as a playoff slot.

Speaker 3 (01:02:06):
I fram salom joining us here FNA on FSR. Let's
talk a little bit about this AJ Brown drama that's
going on in Philadelphia. Yeah, popping off saying that he's
not getting enough touches, and then he clarified it by saying, like,
I'm just frustrated that the offense in general isn't pulling
our weight. You played for a long time in the NFL.
You play with some great receivers, but not guys who
are typical for like popping off at the mouth. I
don't think that. You know, Andre Johnson was one who

(01:02:28):
was going to be very vocal about it not getting touches,
mainly because he got a lot of touches. That's why
he's a Hall of Famer. But just your thoughts on
AJ Brown the comments that he made. One from a
player's perspective, how much of a distraction is that sort
of thing in a locker room where you're constantly asked
about that sort of thing?

Speaker 2 (01:02:42):
And then two, do you think that he has a point?

Speaker 3 (01:02:44):
And do you think that that could end up biting
the Eagles the fact that, yes, they're winning games, but
their offense certainly has not been clicking on all cylinders
like they have been in the past couple of years
with Jalen Hurts.

Speaker 4 (01:02:54):
Yeah, yeah, look, I'm not gonna be here. I'm not
gonna be here. And taking anything away from AJ Round
and his talent, we know he's talented, we know he's
an All Pro caliber type of receiver. But the fact
of the matter is this is a team game, and
he's on a winning team that just won the Super Bowl.
And so we're having a conversation about a Muscrontald player

(01:03:16):
on a seven and two team. Let that think in
I mean, that's crazy to me that this is a
team game and he's going on and on and on
about what he wants to do, what he needs and
what he tries to frame it in the word of
they the offense. No, it's basically him because DeVonta Smith

(01:03:39):
isn't complaining. He's their number one receiver. If anyone in
on this offense should be complaining, they should be, say
Kawon Barker, he's just not getting enough touches. You could
come off of his historic season that we haven't seen
for thirty plus years, and he's just doing whatever the

(01:03:59):
team has. I would rather give Sae Kwan thirty touches
than throw the ball to AJ Brown ten times in
a game. And I promise you if the Eagles did that,
they have a better record. If they were trying to
force feed the ball to AJ Brown. There's a problem there.
Where there's smoke, this fire, it's not even smoke, it's
a blaze. And that reading the book on the sidelines

(01:04:22):
at all my thirteen years in the NFL, I've never
ever ever seen a player do that are been on
the team, what that would be okay to do? Now
you can spend it and tell you it's self help
and whatever. That is. No, no, no, no, I knew
what that was. That was a tantrum. That was a
player not getting their way, having a tantrum. And now

(01:04:42):
instead of Philly getting from under that after winning the
Super Bowl and trading them off r after the rumbles
earlier this year, trading him at the trade deadline, now
he has all the leverage. Now what are they going
to do? Sit them out what they've shown, they had
their best offensive output do to go when he wasn't
in the game. And that goes to show you just

(01:05:05):
how much this team can do without him. Now, if
he wants his stats and all of that, they should
have stiff shipped them off somewhere to Jacksonville or Miami
or whatever that was so he can be a primary target.
The team isn't built to pass first. That's just not
what it is.

Speaker 1 (01:05:21):
Hey, from let's stick with the nfcas here. How good
is Quinn Williams in your mind? And can the Cowboys
build a defense around him?

Speaker 4 (01:05:30):
Now, Quinn Williams is a tremendous player. He's good. I
can answer the first part, of course, he's good. He's
a top tier talent. He is a problem in the middle.
He can get after the quarterback, he can stop to run.
Now the second part of that ken they build a
defense around him, difficult to do. You need more pieces
around him. Now, if you were to tell me Michael

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Parsons was on the edge and he was coming and
he was there, then that's a different conversation. That's not
the case anymore. You did trade away your most valuable
asset in Michael Parsons, and now just trying to, uh,
you know, fill fill that void. And and you know
you've got some pieces uh back in the trade. You

(01:06:14):
got Quinn Williams, you got Kenny Clark. Those two guys
uh in the middle are are tremendous. But what are
we doing on the outside? What do we do we
need to be able to rush the pass? Is ja
Davian Clowney? Is he gonna have a resurgence? I just
don't know. So for me, can they build a defense

(01:06:35):
around Quinton Williams? Uh? Yeah, not this year. I don't
see it happening this year. I see if they want
to add pieces in the offseason and and bolster that
that front seven, uh in the draft. Then yes, but
not this year.

Speaker 3 (01:06:51):
Talk about one of your former teams, the team that
doesn't get talked about a lot, despite the fact that
they're eight and two, the Denver Broncos, who their offense
has been sort of up and down, kind of middle,
their defense has been spectacular this year. They did win
a Super Bowl back in twenty fifteen in somewhat similar circumstances. Now,
I don't know if this defense is as good as
that No Flies On defense from back then, But based
on what you've seen for the Broncos this season, do

(01:07:13):
you think with our offense being just sort of okay
and their defense being what it is, they're good enough
to be a championship contender at this point.

Speaker 4 (01:07:21):
I'm a cheap right here on this one. All Right,
we'll figure out just to the Denver Broncos are and
if they compete and if they can compete at that
level after this weekend against the Chiefs, that is going
to be their litness to Now the Chiefs aren't, they
don't have the record that they've had, and the the
Broncos are seemingly running away with this division, Chiefs being

(01:07:47):
in third. This will let you know this weekend. We'll
be able to answer this question on Monday, because this
is a huge test now everything they've done. You know,
they lost two good games, two good team excuse me,
playoff caliber teams and the Coats and the Chargers, and
they lost by one point when they lost by four

(01:08:09):
points collectively in both of those games. Now, offensively, this
last week against the Raiders something to be desired. But
that's the Raiders Broncos games. It doesn't matter how good
one team is or the other. I've been a part
of that rivalry. I know what that is. But you know,
you go from the Cowboys scoring forty four against the
Cowboys to only eighteen against the Texans to only ten

(01:08:32):
against the Raiders. Offensively, they're going to need to put
points on the board, not field goals when you go
against the team like the Kansas City Chiefs. And I
think this will be the weekend when we can champion
them or say hey, maybe they're not ready yet.

Speaker 2 (01:08:49):
Heep.

Speaker 1 (01:08:49):
We're also going to find out a lot about the
NFC West this weekends. Where do you put the Hawks
and Rams right now? And how much are you looking
forward to that showdown coming up on Sunday.

Speaker 4 (01:09:03):
It's one of those surprises for me right now. We
we we we thought the Rams would be what they were,
you know McVay and Stafford Pukah, But Seattle and Sam Donald,
I'm extremely impressed. I'm extremely impressed with how they're playing.
This is the tail of the tape. This is the

(01:09:24):
heavyweight fight in that in that division. This is who's
going to start separating themselves in that division. And I
can't wait. I can't wait. Are the Rams gonna be
able to move up and down the field like they've
been Are Seattle going to you know, their their defense
is playing so much better, uh this year than in

(01:09:48):
previous years. And having you know, Sam Donald there, I
think it's a shock and a surprise to everybody. We
just we didn't know if that what he did last
year a minut soda and the fourteen and three, I
believe we didn't know if that was an advarition. But
he's playing at an MVP level. They can put up

(01:10:10):
points on the board in their defense, hold steady. This
is much CTV for me, This is the biggest game
of the weekend because this is the game where one
team is going to assert their dominance in this division.

Speaker 3 (01:10:25):
Last one for me, if from Salam joining us here
on FNA on FSR Fox Football Saturday, Let's talk about
the New York Giants. They fire head coach Brian day
Bolt and now my Kafka steps in as the instrum.
And of course people are starting to connect dots because
Bill Belichick was a defensive coordinator, there has a relationship
with Lamara family, and things have not gone well at
North Carolina, although they're playing better now these last few weeks.

(01:10:47):
Do you think one that Bill Belichick is a legitimate
candidate for the New York Giants? And then two, considering
how his tenure ended with the Patriots and the fact
that he only got one interview after his Patriots tenure
in the NFL that was with the Falcons, that he
would act actually be a good hire for New York
at this point.

Speaker 4 (01:11:02):
Well, look, anything's possible. You know, relationships open up doors.
So if he has a relationship with Jamorrow family, uh,
that could open up any door and and and allow
him to walk the door. I think that should happen.
I don't I like Jackson Darky, I like his energy,
I like neighbors when he comes back. I like scatable,

(01:11:23):
I really like scatable. I loved him at ASU, loved
watching him, watch him do every single thing. Couldn't then
understand why he was drafted so late. I knew he
was a caliber player that people got to see when
he was playing before he got injured. I think Jackson
Dark brings a different type of energy. And we've seen

(01:11:43):
Bill Belichick, outside of Tom Brady, kind of destroy a
young talented quarterback. We saw him do it with uh
Mac Jones. Mac Jones is in San Francisco, thriving now
as a backup but winning games. But Bill Belichick, for
whatever reason, wanted to play games, wanted to have a
defensive coordinator calling offensive plays for the first time ever.

(01:12:06):
Things like that Jackson Dart and the New York Giants
don't need. They don't need experimental things, they don't need ego.
They need somebody to come in be able to really
resonate with Jackson Dart because he is the face of
the franchise for them for the next you know, ten
twelve years.

Speaker 1 (01:12:22):
We like you from Slam. Check him out with Mark
Willard on Fox Football Sunday every weekend, and he from
thanks for coming back here on f and A on
Fox Sports Radio.

Speaker 4 (01:12:32):
Absolutely anytime you know.

Speaker 3 (01:12:34):
And he brought up a good point about Bill Belichick
really getting cute towards the end of New England. But
Matt Patricia calling plays and you know, and Joe Judge
and all and all these other guys and all the
it's it's really nice you.

Speaker 1 (01:12:46):
Met cute like him on the beach with his girlfriend
Jordan Hudson.

Speaker 3 (01:12:50):
Well, there's that it's a different level of two right there,
if not creepy. Uh, that guys can come to a
certain degree kind of lose their touch and lose their edge.
And you talked about the fact that he didn't have
his edge anymore in North Carolina because he's with Jordan Hudson.
They at the reality show that now is no longer
a thing that they are trademarking. What was it, Sugardeady

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or whatever that was something like.

Speaker 1 (01:13:13):
That Women Weekend playbooks.

Speaker 2 (01:13:17):
Yeah, I guess it.

Speaker 3 (01:13:18):
For the guy, he's turned into the total antithesis of
everything he stood for when he was with the Patriots,
as far as do your job, keep the main thing.

Speaker 2 (01:13:26):
The main thing.

Speaker 4 (01:13:27):
Now.

Speaker 3 (01:13:27):
Granted again, North Carolina's won the last two games, and
who knows how this season ends up playing out, and
maybe North Carolina will end up being better for hiring
him in the end.

Speaker 2 (01:13:35):
But I do agree with Ephraim that I don't.

Speaker 3 (01:13:37):
I think the NFL and I think the NFL kind
of told him what his standing was when he was
available and nobody decided to hire him last hiring cycle.

Speaker 1 (01:13:46):
Yeah, he dipped his toe in the water and it
was cold. I'll say free Hey, we're not looking forward
to bringing him back to an NFL team. We'll see
if that changes coming up next change here, it's the
NFL six pack. You know how we do it. We
got our beer goggles game and our old Troy epic fail.

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Speaker 1 (01:14:43):
Let's get back to the NFL six pack. Mark, what's
up next? Beer goggles?

Speaker 4 (01:14:47):
Kay?

Speaker 1 (01:14:47):
All right, Kevin. As I put my beer goggles on,
that Monday night monstrosity between the Cowboys and Raiders quickly
turns into me hearing Hey Williams Junior singing, Oh my
righty friends are here on Monday night.

Speaker 2 (01:15:03):
I love it.

Speaker 1 (01:15:04):
Yeah, before we take those political stances, they gotten fired.
I'm drunker than Pete Carroll postgame talking about how competitive
the Raiders were on Thursday night against the Broncos.

Speaker 2 (01:15:16):
That's what it's gotten to.

Speaker 1 (01:15:17):
I know, drinking on the job is mandatory if you're
the head coach of the Raiders. But he was way
too excited because they could have almost tied with Denver.
He must have thought tie goes to not the runner,
but the Raiders, like Roger Goodell was going to give
them a mercy win just for tying against the Denver Broncos.

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That's how positive Pete's sounded post game.

Speaker 2 (01:15:39):
I would have taken it.

Speaker 1 (01:15:40):
Adam has he lowered win forever to tie forever. That's
his new motto. He's really changed the Raiders. Forget just win, baby,
just tie baby, just compete and not completely embarrass yourself
in a primetime game. Baby.

Speaker 3 (01:15:56):
I feel like that's been the standard for like thirty years.
Though Adam to to be fair, Okay, just that's not embarrassing.

Speaker 1 (01:16:02):
Say it out loud, though, he said after the loss,
quote the fight is in this dog now, no doubt
about it. I'm saying the snile is in the old
man now, no doubt about it.

Speaker 4 (01:16:18):
No.

Speaker 1 (01:16:18):
Look, look, look, who am I to question a national
championship winner, a Super Bowl winning coach?

Speaker 2 (01:16:25):
But I don't know you're doing it.

Speaker 1 (01:16:27):
Look, maybe they have turned a corner. I don't know. Maybe,
Pete Wright, if your offense is able to get seven
points against Denver and that defense like they did, that
should equate to thirty points against the Dallas Cowboys and
their defense on Monday night. That's how it works.

Speaker 2 (01:16:42):
Something.

Speaker 1 (01:16:43):
I think it could be a fun game at least
when I put my beer goggles on, maybe just because
it's Monday night football and I want it to be competitive. Please,
it's the only game on What do you got here, Kevin?

Speaker 3 (01:16:54):
I'm actually going with Dan Quinn and the Commanders and
Madrid against the Dolphins. So I will say congratulations first
to Madrid. This is the final game of the International
Series for the NFL and they get the dregs of
the league with two three and seven teams going at it.
So now I will say, the funny thing is you
have through two three and seven teams, but they're both
going in opposite directions. Washington completely fallen off after going

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to the NFC Championship game last year, Jayden and Daniels
dealing with injuries, so obviously they're gonna take a bit
of a step back.

Speaker 2 (01:17:23):
That's to be expected.

Speaker 3 (01:17:24):
I will say, by the way, dan Quinn did commit
complete coaching malpractice by leaving him in that blowout situations,
so we can injure as Oh but but one of
the big fears for people with Daniels coming out of
LSU was the fact that he was a little slighter frame,
and people wonder how that would translate into the NFL
and that he might end up having some injury issues.
In a macroview, for Washington, they need to figure out

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a better way to keep him well protected and be
selective in how they use him in the run game.

Speaker 2 (01:17:50):
There's been successful running quarterbacks.

Speaker 3 (01:17:52):
Russell Wilson ran for nine hundred plus yards in one
season and didn't miss a single game because he knew
how to slide.

Speaker 2 (01:17:57):
He had a baseball background.

Speaker 3 (01:17:58):
Lamar Jackson had rush for over a thousand yards multiple
times in his career, but he's also missed five six
games at a time because he continues to get banged up.
But I digress washington downward trajectory. They've lost five in
a row, four have been by double digits. Terry McLaurin
can't get on the field, can't stay on the field.
Deebo is a shell up and former self, and the
defense is being led by a geriatric ward namely Bobby

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Wagner and Von Miller.

Speaker 2 (01:18:22):
By the way, did you know this?

Speaker 3 (01:18:23):
So they've played ten games, Bobby and Vaughn have played
all ten of them. They've had so many injuries up
and down their roster, and they have basically the two
old guys, the two future Hall of famers carrying the
load on defense.

Speaker 1 (01:18:35):
They're the ones that have to hold this thing together.

Speaker 3 (01:18:37):
Ye hence to three and seven record. And that's no
disrespect to those two guys. It's just not the same anymore.
So you juxtaposed their situation with the Dolphins, who, let's
make no qualms about it, they sucked too, but they
seem to be trending in a bit of a different direction,
at least slightly up, maybe like a little acute angle
upwards or.

Speaker 2 (01:18:56):
Something like that.

Speaker 1 (01:18:57):
Hey, they dominated the Bills.

Speaker 3 (01:18:58):
They did two of the last three games they've won.
They laid the will to Josh Allen and the Bills.
They won't make the playoffs, but if they continue with
this sort of effort, Mike McDaniel, he's probably gonna be safe.

Speaker 2 (01:19:08):
Anyway. They decided to fire Chris.

Speaker 3 (01:19:09):
Greer a couple a couple of weeks ago and keep
him on, And it seems like, based on what you're
reading and hearing out of Stephen Ross, he seems to
think their issues are more personnel based than coaching based.

Speaker 2 (01:19:20):
I think think that. I agree.

Speaker 3 (01:19:22):
I think it's a little bit of both, but I
think it's mostly on personnel. Mike McDaniel was had the
background as a run game coordinator, had great running games
before when he was in San Francisco. Started out really
well with the Dolphins, and their offensive line just isn't
very good now. Last week, Davon e Chan had one
of his best games of the season, and I think
he can continue to roll coming up this weekend against Washington.
And I think the Commanders will also have a good

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effort this weekend too, So I think this game on paper,
it looks like an ugly matchup between two three and
seven teams, but at the end result I think could.

Speaker 2 (01:19:50):
Be a pretty entertaining one.

Speaker 3 (01:19:51):
If you want to wake up early and catch the
last International Series game on Sunday.

Speaker 1 (01:19:55):
Morning, well, until you got to that last part, I
was in Kevin, But I'm not waking up earlier for
the Dolphins and the Commanders in Madrid.

Speaker 2 (01:20:05):
Oh, come on, not an appointment viewing for you.

Speaker 1 (01:20:07):
It's not good enough for me. I'm sorry. I I
love Mike McDaniel. I'm interested to see what happens, but
I'll be interested to catch the all twenty two highlights
and get every play in that way. No, I do
kind of wonder about the Commanders and how bad it's
gonna get to end this season. Honestly, is dan Quinn

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going to end up getting fired? You're removed from being
the hottest team.

Speaker 2 (01:20:33):
Yeah, yeah, I think was gonna mix with all the
injuries that they that he's had.

Speaker 3 (01:20:37):
I think he's gonna get at least a mulligan when
it comes to that. We have more NFL six pack
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Speaker 1 (01:20:44):
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Speaker 3 (01:20:47):
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know what it is around that time of year, isn't.

Speaker 2 (01:21:02):
It, Adam?

Speaker 1 (01:21:02):
Oh, you're right, tis the season for home alone callbacks because.

Speaker 3 (01:21:07):
We skip right over Thanksgiving doesn't even count as a
holiday anymore, so why is it even here? We just
go straight from October, straight from Halloween to Christmas. I
saw Christmas decorations and home depot on like October twenty fourth.

Speaker 1 (01:21:19):
Yeah, that's not hello we doing. And the Christmas music
is already getting overwhelming.

Speaker 2 (01:21:24):
It's ridiculous.

Speaker 1 (01:21:25):
It creeps me out, It bothers me. Let's stick with
Halloween for another month.

Speaker 2 (01:21:29):
Jeh, yeah, why not?

Speaker 3 (01:21:30):
So coming up later this hour, we'll have our official
picks with two on two off. We'll also go around
the college football world a lot of big pivotal matchups
with playoff implications. Playoff seatings abound coming up in this
weekend slate of college football. But first we got to
get back into the NFL six pack.

Speaker 4 (01:21:46):
Here.

Speaker 2 (01:21:46):
What do we have there? Mark?

Speaker 7 (01:21:48):
Oh my god, Oh my god.

Speaker 1 (01:22:04):
Oh Que, I'm so sorry. All right, I'll go with
my old Troy epic fail. Bree thought she was safe.
Oh no, just when you think it's safe to go
back in the water. My epic fail goes to the Saints. No,
I'm not gonna say they're losing the bye week. Haha,

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I'm not that lame. I'm saying it's an epic fail
for having a bye week after finally getting a win.
The Saints are killing their only chance at gaining momentum.
When you haven't won two games in a row in
a year, you got to ride the wave of momentum.
You go to the league offices and you demand a

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game gets scheduled for you this week. When your team
as bad as the Saints and you get a week off,
you may forget how to play football completely. It's not
like riding a bike for them, It's like riding a
roller coaster upside down in reverse while solving a twelve
sided Rubik's cube. For them, just practicing against themselves during
a bye week will only make them worse because this

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is the opposite of iron sharpening iron. It's more like
two rusty butter knives doling themselves.

Speaker 3 (01:23:13):
They should do like what a coastal Carolina be why
you did during the COVID year, everybody was canceling games
left and right, and they're like, you want to play,
we want to play. They threw a game together in
like four days and just decided to play each other.

Speaker 1 (01:23:25):
The Saints should find somebody, not the Colts, who I
think are also off this week because they would kick
their asso.

Speaker 2 (01:23:30):
Hey play LSU. That game might be a toss up.

Speaker 1 (01:23:33):
It would be I don't know if you want Head
coach Kellen Moore, by the way, with more time on
his hands since he doesn't need a game plan for
this week. He's already dohier and softer than what came
out on my backside after I ate a jar Plato
as a kid, I was I hear his playbook is
made out of the fruit roll ups where you could

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punch out the designs like he can turn a pass
play into a run play. With one bite. See Bury,
You may have thought it was sweet beat my Panthers
last week, but that's actually going to lead to a
bigger disappointment. After we give the Falcons all the confidence
in the world, after they beat us, and then they
see you after the bye, they'll be super charged and

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ready to hit a cloud stripe limit breaker against you.
From Final Fantasy seven. It's about the long game, and
it's still gonna be a long year for them. Saints.
Don't get all high and mighty. Don't get too excited
just because you beat the Panthers. All right, I'm gonna
take you down a notch.

Speaker 2 (01:24:35):
Just don't know why. Kelly Moore, I say it's like
takes trays there.

Speaker 1 (01:24:38):
Kevin, he's enjoyer than Zach Braff.

Speaker 2 (01:24:43):
Is he enjoying a little bit too much of the
beignets down there? When's the last what's going.

Speaker 1 (01:24:48):
On people talk about? You know, I can't see my
toes anymore. I'm so fat. When's the last time he's
seen his cheek bones?

Speaker 4 (01:24:54):
Like?

Speaker 1 (01:24:55):
He's so dowey. I've never seen anything like it. I'd
be a definition of a skinny, fat guy, like you
look that up. It is Kellen Moore honestly that our
bassay hey Don McClain said that once about him. I
didn't say it.

Speaker 3 (01:25:12):
All Right, Well, I'm gonna move on to my potential
epic fail of the week, and I'm gonna go to
a team that we talked about with Ephram Slam a
little bit ago, and that's the Denver Broncos going against
Kansas City. We talked a lot about the Broncos over
this past month and a half. Adam, if I remember correctly,
last week, you even asked me whether I was gonna
put their offense under the microscope, and I said, I've
already done it like four times this season. I can't

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put them under the microscope anymore.

Speaker 1 (01:25:35):
That didn't happen.

Speaker 3 (01:25:36):
If you look at their stats offensively, they aren't necessarily bad.

Speaker 2 (01:25:40):
They're just kind of average.

Speaker 3 (01:25:42):
Thirteenth in total offense, eighteenth and passing offense ninth, running
the ball, which is great if you're in the top ten,
seventeenth in scoring, so again, just kind of average everywhere
where they aren't average, And the biggest reason why they
are eight and two, like we talked about with Ephraim,
is the fact that their defense has been dominating teams
left and right. They're not quite putting up numbers that
rival the two thousand Baltimore Ravens or that no Flies

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on defense that we talked about from twenty fifteen. So
I guess the question is are they good enough defensively
to be able to win a Super Bowl with a
middling offense? And I agree one thousand percent with what
Ephraim told us that this will be a good litman
test for them this weekend against this rejuvenated Kansas City offense.
Save for their last game against Buffalo, where they uncharacteristically
were terrible on third down, Casey has scored at least

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twenty eight points in every game they've played in since
Week three. Wow, and they won. In Week three, they
beat the Giants twenty two to nine. They just didn't
explode offensively for more than twenty eight points. So to
Diff's credit, I'll say this, they did shut down and
dominate a cowboy offense that was ranked number one in the.

Speaker 2 (01:26:43):
League at the time Alizon Prell.

Speaker 3 (01:26:44):
Yeah, So a Bronco fan would say, obviously we can
do the same thing in Kansas City. With all due
respect to Dak Prescott, who's a really good player. Answer
Brian Schottenheimer, who I was not a big fan of
as a head coaching higher, but offensively at the very least,
Dallas has been phenomenal. Talk talk about Patrick Mahomes and
Andy Reid here. They have all their weapons back, they're healthy. Simmons,

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their top first round pick at left tackle, is going
to be back in the mix, So they're going to
get bolstered on the offensive line here.

Speaker 2 (01:27:11):
This is a completely different beast that you're facing.

Speaker 3 (01:27:13):
So look, it's rare that a team looks as bad
as Denver did last Thursday against the Raiders. You know,
we can acknowledge that it's rare that you look that
bad and then you come back.

Speaker 2 (01:27:21):
The following week. We can continue to look poor.

Speaker 3 (01:27:24):
But I do think there's a potential to them getting
run off the field by Kansas City, who has found
a little bit of momentum. I feel that way mainly
because I just don't know what I'm going to get
on that Bronco offense from a week to week basis.

Speaker 2 (01:27:34):
And even though Kansas City's defense has shown a little
bit of slippage from last year, there's still sixth and
yards and fourth and scoring not far off from where
Denver's defense is so the defensive production from both teams
are actually pretty comparable at this point in time, not
to mention the stat that I'm sure most Dieheart fans
are tired of hearing at this point in time. But
Andy Reid coming off of a bye twenty two and four.

Speaker 1 (01:27:56):
Wow.

Speaker 3 (01:27:56):
So do not be surprised if you look up at
the scoreboard on Sunday after at the end of the
game and see that the Evil Empire in Red, with
Taylor Swift leading the charge, picks up a thirteen point victory.

Speaker 1 (01:28:06):
I gotta be honest, your argument and the way you
laid it out here may make me change one of
my two on two off picks. Okay, that was peruasive.

Speaker 2 (01:28:18):
I'll take it.

Speaker 1 (01:28:19):
I might have to mark what's up next under the microscope.
I got the Pittsburgh Steelers under the microscope, as it
looks like they're about to blow a twenty eight to
three lead or a three to one lead you could
say in the AFC North Division, since at one point
they were four and one and the Ravens were one
and five.

Speaker 4 (01:28:38):
Yep.

Speaker 1 (01:28:39):
But like I tried to tell y' all, the Ravens
were fine and had them right where they wanted them,
and the Steelers they're asking Baltimore to steal the division
from them. After a rough outing against the Chargers where
Aaron Rodgers didn't just look his age, he looked like
he had his helmet on backwards with some of those throws,
like a self administered darkness rich on the field. Nobody

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likes to talk about it, but I've noticed my eyesight
has gotten worse with age. He might want to make
a trip to lens crafters himself, if he even believes
in glasses. He looked like he was playing with two
glass eyes out there. Now they get the Bengals at
home this week, who they've already lost to in the
Icy Hot Bowl. I'm calling this one the colonoscopy screening

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showdown between him and Joe Flacco, and it is under
the microscope, that's the segment here, and like how you
feel that scope? They are feeling the ravens close behind them, Probate.

Speaker 3 (01:29:39):
He's taking this segment in the direction that I think
things going into and out of orifices that I think
people were just not expecting to hear about. Well, this
show tonight's last this morning.

Speaker 1 (01:29:48):
It's for a good cause November is about reminding us
of men's health. So maybe consult your doctor. If you're
as old as Aaron Rodgers or Joe Flacco. I've had
and oscopes before. It's nothing, light work. You could do it,
and that game should remind you to get one. That's
what I'm going with from under the microscope? What do
you got, Kevin?

Speaker 3 (01:30:09):
I am going to go with Caleb Williams versus the
Vikings this weekend. I've been saying it for a month.
Caleb Williams is steadily improving. Yeah, completion percentage could be better, Yes,
turnovers are down, getting sacked significantly less than he was
last season, and as a result, he's making more plays
and is a key reason why the Bears have won
six of their last seven games. Considered by the way

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they're doing this with one of the worst scoring defenses
in the entire league. They allow over twenty seven points
a game, which means there's even more pressure on the
Bears offense to score, and.

Speaker 2 (01:30:39):
They have answered the bell.

Speaker 3 (01:30:40):
Now look at Caleb Williams individual stats again, they don't
blow you away. Sixty percent completion percentage, man, thirteen touchdowns,
mart four interceptions, quarterback rating, of ninety two.

Speaker 1 (01:30:51):
Not great now horrible, it'd be great in nineteen nineteen.

Speaker 3 (01:30:54):
Yeah, not the dregs of the league. He's not Anthony
Richardson out there, but he's not Drake may either. But
you have to also consider that Ben Johnson essentially had
to tear this guy down completely and rebuild him bigger, stronger, faster.

Speaker 1 (01:31:06):
He took out the nail Paul's remover on.

Speaker 3 (01:31:08):
Him, I mean basically, so the turnaround was not gonna
happen overnight. By the way, I will say too about
this when it comes to Ben Johnson. He gets lauded
with the job that he did with Jared Golf and
the Lions, but let's not forget that Detroit's bread and
butter offensively is the run game with Jami Gibbson and Montgomery.

Speaker 1 (01:31:23):
Is that Sonic and Knuckles?

Speaker 2 (01:31:25):
I mean kind of basically.

Speaker 4 (01:31:26):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:31:26):
Isn't that what they call themselves?

Speaker 2 (01:31:28):
Oh? Okay, I hadn't heard that. I don't know if
they do. That's amazing and I want that.

Speaker 1 (01:31:32):
T shirt somebody on the I don't know if it's
the receivers of the running backs, but they got a
Sonic and Knuckles type of nickname going on like this.
This is right up our alley.

Speaker 2 (01:31:43):
I'm off for that. Let's go. I'll absolutely be an
unofficial Detroit Lion fan at that point.

Speaker 1 (01:31:47):
Yeah, this is why I'm leaving the Panthers for the
Lions and Sonic and Knuckles.

Speaker 2 (01:31:51):
That's the only reason why.

Speaker 4 (01:31:52):
I think.

Speaker 2 (01:31:53):
There's a laundry list of other ones I can give
you if you want.

Speaker 1 (01:31:55):
There's one.

Speaker 2 (01:31:55):
They lost to the Saints, but their bread and butter,
like I mentioned, is the game.

Speaker 3 (01:32:00):
And if you glance up at this year's stats, you
realize Chicago is second in the league in rushing.

Speaker 1 (01:32:05):
Wait a second, yeah, that's Chicago football right there.

Speaker 2 (01:32:08):
It absolutely is.

Speaker 3 (01:32:09):
And by the way, Deandres Swift, uh I Monong guy
are good, but neither of those guys who are necessarily
gonna blow you away. But I always thought that it
was sort of a transition season for Caleb Williams, though,
show some progress, be a little more boring and a
lot less, you know, running around with their chicken with
the head cut off and trying to make the big play,
make plays on schedule, And so far he's done that,

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so now he'll get a chance to see how he
performs in the rematch. From their opening day game of
the year, when JJ McCarthy let the Vikings to that
giant comeback victory and Caleb's overseeing a blown fourth quarter lead.
I want to place Williams under the microscope and see
how he performs hostile environment on the road, big road
environment in Minnesota, a team that's already beaten him. He's
already seen once this season, a really good defense led

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by one of the best coordinators in the entire sport.
If Caleb can play well in a road game in
division during a playoff race, I think it'll go a
long way and reviving his image and turning people like
Adam's perception around to say maybe he can be a
viable quarterback and be the savior to Mark's Chicago Bears
franchise at the quarterback position.

Speaker 1 (01:33:10):
Look, unless he does it against the eighty five Bears defense,
I just don't care.

Speaker 2 (01:33:13):
Okay, no, no.

Speaker 3 (01:33:15):
Yeah, you know, if those guys are playing now, one
thousand percent, I will take Caleb Williams against the eighty
five Bears defense today.

Speaker 1 (01:33:21):
Suit him up, let's go fair enough. He has played
better the last few weeks. I gotta own that total ownership.
Total ownership by me takes a big man, all right, Mark,
what have we got next redemption round? My redemption round
last week was for the Lions, who performed pretty pretty
well i'd say in DC against the Commanders. Was that

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on Monday Night football. See, that's why I need this
Raiders Cowboys Monday An football game to be good because
our last one sucked. It was awful. This week though,
in my redemption round, I got somebody redeeming themselves in
the NFC West between the forty nine Ers and Cardinals
in Arizona, as they both lost two NFC West teams

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last week and now they get to fight it out
for third place in the division. But it's a division
likely getting three teams in the playoffs unless ones the
Cardinals and they're not allowed in. But I think they're
likely to lose to San Francisco this week. But I
think it could be a good game between those two

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teams that desperately need to redeem themselves, improve they belong
and maybe the best division in football. I know this fluctuates,
but I think it is. I think it is the
NFC West right now. With the Seahawks and Rams being
this good, they're better at the top of their division
than the two teams at the top of the NFC
North and the two teams at the top of the

(01:34:45):
AFC West right now. I think that's accurate in AFC
East too. They're good passing bills. But I don't see
two teams as complete and playing as well as the
Rams and the Seahawk anywhere else right now. And by
the way, they play each other on Sunday, that is
the game. Why didn't they flex that into Sunday end football.

Speaker 3 (01:35:07):
I don't know if the flex scheduling has officially begun yet,
but if not, they need to move that up to
earlier in the season. There's no reason why this should
be a one oh five Pacific time kickoff. Yeah, I
like he's put it into the one twenty five like
major network TV window where the majority of the country
would see it.

Speaker 1 (01:35:24):
Start flexing in week three or something like. We can
figure enough out by then. We do it all the
time in the NFL six pack. We know who the
frauds are. The phonies, your big bat phonies. All right,
here's your redemption round.

Speaker 3 (01:35:36):
Kevin Mine is going to the Dallas Cowboys, coming off
of a couple of losses and a bye They will
take on the Raiders on Monday Night, which you've talked
alluded to a couple of times on the show tonight already,
because we already know the season narrative. Offense is great
defense can't stop any body. They've yet to win back
to back games at any point in this season. Now
the dynamic has changed at least a little bit. You
trade for Logan Wilson, will see if he has anything

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left in the tank, and most importantly, you get the
debut of Quinton Williams on that defensive front. So now
you get a chance to see how big of an
impact these guys can actually make against a pretty anemic
Greater offense that has just two wins in of allst
three games in a row.

Speaker 1 (01:36:12):
Is Logan Wilson already their best linebacker? Is that true?

Speaker 4 (01:36:16):
No?

Speaker 3 (01:36:16):
Honestly, a guy who hasn't played yet this year tomorrow
on Overshown, who was a rookie last year, is a
really really good player. He's gonna make his season debut
this week too. That should not be understated. Overshown is
a really really good player that a lot of people
don't know about. He'll make a big impact on that defense,
for sure. I will say one thing that can happen
for Dallas, even in a winning effort, they cannot afford
to have this Raider offense have success.

Speaker 2 (01:36:38):
If this turns into.

Speaker 3 (01:36:39):
Like a thirty four to thirty one type of situation,
even in Dallas victory, those questions about the Dallas defense
are still going to continue to linger. Iphrom Totas earlier
on the show, Quinn Williams not gonna be some sort
of magic eluxor that that's gonna just completely change the
fortunes of the Dallas defense. But I do think at
the very least he should have a positive impact. He

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help them go from being twenty eighth against the run
to twentieth or something. An incrementual improvement there alone could
mean the difference between having a couple of more wins
on your ledger by the end of the season, and
if you have two or three more wins in your
back in your back pocket, that can help propel you
to a playoff berth one. But depending on how things
end up shaking out. So this coming Monday should be

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the ultimate redemption for Dallas, no pun intended, but the
stars are aligning for a big game for them. They
lost two games in a row, coming off of a bye,
incorporating a new impact player, while playing against one of
the worst teams in the league. Based on all of that,
not only should they beat the Raiders, they should have
no issue covering the three and a half points spread
as a road dog. And honestly, if the Raiders do
end up covering the spread here, and god forbid, they

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actually win the game against Dallas, that is a horrible
omen for the Cowboys.

Speaker 1 (01:37:47):
That Raiders shuck.

Speaker 3 (01:37:49):
You know, that would actually turn into a Old Troy
epic fail. Not it would turn from a redemption to
an epic fail. If the Dallas Cowboys somehow not only
lose to the Raiders, or I say, not only don't
cover the spread against the Raiders, but find a way
to lose on Monday night, absolutely cannot happen.

Speaker 1 (01:38:05):
You become irredeemable if you lose to the Raiders on
Monday night football. Yes, I like this game. I'm interested
in this game. The Cowboys should win. But if the
Raiders are going to have a chance for their offense
to ever get loose with Chip Kelly and Geno Smith
this year, this is that game. But maybe it's going
against them because Dallas has the cavalry arriving. Even if

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it doesn't make them an elite defense all of a sudden,
it could just be a little bit more inspiring out
there for the rest of the crew to bring in
these guys.

Speaker 2 (01:38:35):
Yeah, that's what it needs to be.

Speaker 3 (01:38:37):
Like look again, because I don't think the Dallas defense
is going to turn into like the Dallas Cowboy defenses.

Speaker 2 (01:38:42):
Of the early nineties or anything like that.

Speaker 3 (01:38:44):
You just have to show market improvement you should anyway
against the team like the Raiders. But like I said,
what you can't have the Dallas Cowboys defense throughout this
entire season has been if your offense has been in
the funk they got, the Cowboys are coming to town.
So you just want to make sure that that doesn't
continue to show itself this weekend again against one of
the worst offenses in the league, and on top of
the fact that you have reinforcements coming on the defensive side.

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You just want to see those guys that you brought
in on defense have some sort of impact. That's what
you're looking for as a Cowboy fan.

Speaker 1 (01:39:11):
I like that you're ending with the final game in
Week eleven, as we finish off the NFL six Pack
here for Week eleven of the NFL season, Mark appreciate you.
Coming up next, we got to talk about the college
football season because there's like five really good games going
on tomorrow, and that means I'm going to basically pepper

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Kevin with questions about all these games, because what do
I know?

Speaker 2 (01:39:35):
Bring them on?

Speaker 1 (01:39:35):
Not much? My Ducks. One tonight, I'll say.

Speaker 2 (01:39:38):
That a huge win against Minnesota.

Speaker 1 (01:39:41):
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How are you doing, Kevin doing well?

Speaker 2 (01:40:35):
Doing well?

Speaker 3 (01:40:35):
It's a week twelve of the college football season, and
I know what gets confusing. I have to look it
up because you have week zero and week negative one
and there's math involved.

Speaker 2 (01:40:44):
There's too much math, way too much math. It's math,
it's arithmetic.

Speaker 3 (01:40:48):
What we do know is we are in the final
and I don't want to turn into I don't want
to turn into our guy, Jay stew Can you believe
it's already November twentieth or November fifteenth or sixteenth, depending
on where you are, So lambsdu.

Speaker 2 (01:40:59):
But you know how far we've gotten through the season.

Speaker 3 (01:41:01):
There's basically three weeks left in the regular season in
college football at this point. That is how quickly it goes.
And we have a lot of pivotal matchups coming up
this weekend, I would.

Speaker 1 (01:41:12):
Say, namely college Football Forecast.

Speaker 2 (01:41:14):
With I got so excited Mark, I jumped the sounder.

Speaker 3 (01:41:19):
I mean, my goodness, so many people are talking about
Pitt and Notre Dame nine versus twenty two.

Speaker 2 (01:41:24):
And I'll be honest with you, Adam, I don't know
what your thoughts are on it.

Speaker 1 (01:41:27):
My thoughts it's an early game, I may not wake up.

Speaker 2 (01:41:29):
And son, hey, fair enough.

Speaker 1 (01:41:30):
That's what I understand.

Speaker 3 (01:41:32):
My other well, my other thought. I don't understand all
the pit hype. They've played nobody. I don't think they're
that good. To be honest with you, yes, they're good
at stopping the run, but again against two. They're great offensively,
they have the best offense in the ACC, but again
against two their big run. Honestly, their super Bowl is
the next three weekends. They have Notre Dame today, they

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also have followed that up with Georgia Tech, and then
they end with the University of Miami. So I can't
judge them based on anything until I see what happens
these last three games, and be honest with you, I
think they lose all of them.

Speaker 2 (01:42:08):
I'm not hating. I'm hating.

Speaker 3 (01:42:10):
I'm not hating on pitt. I don't want any Panther
fans that jump down my throat about this.

Speaker 1 (01:42:14):
Don't you like the fact they went back to their
old uniforms or whatever. People are digging the retro pit uniforms.
That doesn't do it for you?

Speaker 3 (01:42:21):
No, I mean, first of all, yes, they're cool. I
do like the uniforms. Doesn't affect how they play on
the field though. Unfortunately. Yes, I understand look good, feel good,
play good, but not if you aren't that good, especially
if you're not as good as the competition ahead of you.

Speaker 2 (01:42:34):
See, the problem is, yes, Pitt still has a chance to.

Speaker 3 (01:42:37):
Make it to the college football playoff if they win
the ACC, if they find a way to run the
table get to the a SEC championship game, Yes they
have a shot to do it.

Speaker 1 (01:42:44):
That's not gonna happen.

Speaker 2 (01:42:46):
No, you're right, Chuck, it won't.

Speaker 1 (01:42:49):
Les.

Speaker 3 (01:42:50):
Yeah, it's not gonna happen this weekend because Notre Dame
basically has been playing in playoff games since Week three.
Because after they lost their first two games to Texas
Tech in Miami or excuse Texas A and M Miami,
they knew, based on their strength of schedule they had
no margin for air back against the wall. They had
to beat everybody. They had to beat usc which they
found a way to do on the rain. They have

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to win out to end the regular season. So they
have been playing in playoff mode for the better part
of two months. I'm not I don't expect that to
stop now. Yes, Pitt has been good against the run,
but again, good against the run against Syracuse Boston College.

Speaker 1 (01:43:24):
It's not gonna translate against Notre Dame in the run game.

Speaker 3 (01:43:27):
I don't believe that it will, to be honest with you,
all right, So maybe the game will end up being
somewhat entertaining.

Speaker 2 (01:43:32):
Can score some points.

Speaker 3 (01:43:34):
But the designs that people have of Pittsburgh potentially pulling
off this upset and knocking off Notre Dame.

Speaker 2 (01:43:41):
Surets anything could happen, but I honestly don't see it.

Speaker 1 (01:43:44):
So you're saying CJ. Carr may join up with Sonic
and Knuckles and the running backs with the Lions with
how much he's gonna run all.

Speaker 2 (01:43:53):
Over pitt Yes, CJ. Carr, who they've been leaning on
a lot more.

Speaker 3 (01:43:57):
Obviously, you know, Love the running back is been the big,
the bell cow, the star for them. But Car's gotten
better and better as the season has gone on. So
Notre Dame is a team to definitely watch out for,
as we had towards the playoff time.

Speaker 1 (01:44:08):
Okay, what about this pittshead coach pack Guzy Nerdoozy downplay
the game? We did when he was asked if it's
a must win game against Notre Dame, and he dismissed that,
saying I can't believe this quote. Absolutely not. It is
not an ACC game. I'm glad you brought that up.

(01:44:31):
It's not an ACC game. Thank you. We didn't know.
I'd gladly get beat one hundred and three or one
hundred and ten to ten in that game. They can
put up one hundred on us as long as we
win the next two after that. But again, our focus
is on Notre Dame and getting as many wins as
we can, so I save jack ass.

Speaker 2 (01:44:54):
Yeah, that's a thing to say publicly.

Speaker 1 (01:44:56):
How do you do that?

Speaker 2 (01:44:58):
I will, I will say in a certain since he's
not wrong, because ultimately you end up winning the a C.

Speaker 3 (01:45:04):
Now i'll say this too. I'll all finish my point.
Then I'll get back to that. You end up winning
the ACC, you win the AEC championship game, likely find
yourself into a college football playoff spot. But I say likely,
but it's not guaranteed. Because here's the thing that a
lot of people are confused by. You think you have
the Power four Conference and you have the Group of
five slash group of six.

Speaker 2 (01:45:23):
If you want to throw the Pac twelve slash Pack
two in.

Speaker 1 (01:45:25):
There right now, we don't want to throw them in actually.

Speaker 2 (01:45:27):
But no love for Washington State in Oregon State, I'm sorry.

Speaker 3 (01:45:32):
So the way the criteria for the college Football Playoff
is the automatic bids go to the top five highest
rated conference champions. But that does not necessarily mean that
if you are a power for conference you're guaranteed a spot.

Speaker 2 (01:45:46):
There is a pathway where say Duke with.

Speaker 3 (01:45:50):
Already three losses on their ledger or potentially four, finds
a way to win the ACC and they are not
one of the highest ranked five conference champions.

Speaker 2 (01:45:58):
Because look, the winner the American.

Speaker 3 (01:46:00):
Conference, whether it's Navy two lane, it's probably gonna be
South Florida, whoever that's gonna end up being, they're getting
the spot. But if you go all the way down
to the Sun Belt, James Madison is undefeated in conference play,
they have one loss earlier this season to Louisville. But
if they go run the table in the Sun Belt
as an undefeated team and they are held in higher

(01:46:23):
reguard and ranked higher in the final rankings, which they
probably would.

Speaker 2 (01:46:26):
Be by the way, over say a four loss.

Speaker 3 (01:46:29):
Duke team that won the ACC, you can absolutely see
two group of five teams get the automatic bids and
see a power four conference like the ACC be left
out of the college football playoff completely.

Speaker 4 (01:46:40):
So that.

Speaker 2 (01:46:43):
Absolutely can.

Speaker 3 (01:46:44):
So yes, pitt can lose today against Notre Dame run
the table, but they'd have three losses on their ledger,
and there is a chance that a three loss conference
champion in the A season and the look, I'll say
all this to say it's not likely to happen, but
I'm telling.

Speaker 2 (01:46:59):
You what's a possible.

Speaker 4 (01:47:00):
I guarantee it.

Speaker 2 (01:47:01):
It is very much a possibility.

Speaker 1 (01:47:02):
He's not guaranteeing it. I guarantee though his players hearing
this quote from Pat Nardoozy which was a doozy with
this quote like, oh cool, we can take our foot
off the gas this week doesn't matter against Notre Dame.
Coach said we could lose by one hundred. Is that

(01:47:23):
how you inspire your team and motivate them but get
up for a big game?

Speaker 2 (01:47:26):
Come on? Maybe I don't know.

Speaker 3 (01:47:27):
It could be one of those reverse psychology things like
you know what I said, something completely off the wall.

Speaker 2 (01:47:31):
The pressure is all on me, not on. It could
be one of those sorts of things.

Speaker 1 (01:47:35):
He's shielding them. He's crazy like a yox.

Speaker 3 (01:47:38):
I'll be honest with you, I don't think. I don't
give a rip what he said. I don't think it
would have mattered one way or the other how this game.

Speaker 2 (01:47:43):
Is going to end up playing out.

Speaker 1 (01:47:44):
No one has talked about this game more than us
over the last ten minutes. We've really hyped it up,
and I'm not even going to see.

Speaker 2 (01:47:52):
It outside of South Bend in Pittsburgh.

Speaker 1 (01:47:54):
You're right, can we get to a game that matters? Like?
I don't know, Texas at Georgia. Yeah, Georgia is favored
by five and a half.

Speaker 3 (01:48:02):
Yeah, I mean because arch Manning all of a sudden
has been playing pretty damn well, played extremely well last week.
So there's even talk that he might have even gotten
himself back into the Heisman conversation depending on how the
season plays out and how losses might end up stacking up.
If you're Alabama or if you're Georgia. By the way
you were playing heads to head in this situation, I

(01:48:23):
don't think that's realistic either at him Yeah, to be
quite honest with you, I don't think Texas ends up
winning this game because even though Georgia is not as
good defensively as they typically are under Kirby Smart and
they can't generate a pass rush at all.

Speaker 2 (01:48:35):
Their pressure rate is horrible and their sack numbers are bad.

Speaker 3 (01:48:37):
Interesting, but there's still a top notch defense in the SEC,
and I still think they'll give that Texas offense some problems.
The real chess match is going to be on the
other side, Texas's top defense versus Georgia on offense and
the way Gunner Stockton and the way they've been playing,
they have so many weapons left and right. They kill
you a three tight end. Zachar Riott Branch, the transfer
receiver from USC has been phenomenal for them. Who wins

(01:48:59):
that match up? Georgia's offense versus Texas defense? And I'll
be honest with you, I think Georgia at this point
in time can score just enough points to be able
to outpace Texas in this one. So Biden on mean,
I think you said five and a half points spread.
I believe it is. Yeah, I can see Texas covering
that spread. I can absolutely see this thing going down
to the wire and being a three point game.

Speaker 2 (01:49:19):
Ultimately.

Speaker 3 (01:49:20):
Even though Manning is playing better and Texas's offense has improved,
I trust Georgia's offense a little bit more in this spot.

Speaker 1 (01:49:27):
See when Alabama beat them on the road Georgia this year.
They got an All World performance from Tys Simpson. To
be able to do that, I just don't think arch
Manning is capable. Both their losses have come on the road.
They've also had to win two overtime games on the
road against pretty inferior competition. I don't know. If this

(01:49:50):
was two on two off I'd probably take Georgia to
cover that number, Kevin, But maybe I'm a hater.

Speaker 2 (01:49:55):
No, I don't think you're a hater. That you're well
justified and your analysis that.

Speaker 3 (01:50:00):
But I think Texas has played better, they have improved,
and yes they've won by the skin of their teeth
in these last few weeks. And sometimes that happens in
conference play. Sometimes you get a little bit of a scare.
Those things pop up as Tabana last week against Penn State.
So these sort of things do happen.

Speaker 1 (01:50:15):
Sometimes you get your teeth kicked in, so that could
also happen.

Speaker 3 (01:50:20):
It's absolutely possible, but I don't think that's gonna happen.
I don't think that Georgia runs Texas off of the field.
I do think they win, but I do think this teeth.
This game is competitive throughout all.

Speaker 4 (01:50:27):
Right.

Speaker 1 (01:50:27):
Number eleven Oklahoma speaking of at number four Alabama, this
is interesting only because Oklahoma's defensive line is so good
that that could keep them in it. I don't know,
how do you feel about it?

Speaker 2 (01:50:40):
Yeah, that's tough.

Speaker 3 (01:50:41):
So Oklahoma's defense in general is one of the best
in the entire country, and Alabama offensively, especially in the
passing game, is excellent. Ty Simpson has been amazing this year.
Their problem is they can't run the ball a lick
and their offensive line leaves a lot to be desired.
This is very similar. We started the show talking about
the Patriots and Drake May and how great of a
season he's having, but he's been sacked a lot and

(01:51:03):
under pressure a lot. Ty Simpson, in spite of all
the great numbers that he's put up, has been under
a lot of pressure this season.

Speaker 2 (01:51:09):
Now not as much as May, but he's not like
he's running for his life. But he's certainly's not. You
know C J.

Speaker 3 (01:51:15):
Stroud from a couple of years ago at Ohio State
where he's sitting back there for fifteen minutes all the time,
in the world to be able to throw the ball.
He's been under duress. He's gonna be under duress against Oklahoma.
The problem is if we flip around the other side
on the other matchup Oklahoma offensively with Mateir, I just
don't know what I'm gonna get against Alabama's defense at
the end. Similar to Georgia Alabama, A Bama's defense is

(01:51:36):
not dominant, but it's not horrible either. I do think
the problem with Mateir now they do it. They're coming
off of a week off. They beat Tennessee week off,
so that's another week for Matier's hand to heal. He's
shown he can make some plays, so it's not that
they're a complete SIEV offensively, there's just a lot on
his shoulders. I will say Alabama has been vulnerable to

(01:51:56):
running quarterbacks this year too, so if Matier can actually
make him work a little bit and get some numbers
on the ground, I think this is also a game
that could be pretty damn close. But ultimately I gotta
go with Alabama and the way ty Simpson's playing, this
could be a Heisman moment type of game for him.
If he has a huge performance against Oklahoma in that
defense this weekend.

Speaker 1 (01:52:13):
You mentioned they've had trouble with rushing and running quarterbacks
out there, but John Mattier, after having eleven touchdowns in
his first four games, he's had just three in his
last four games since returning. That injury has taken away
his superpower, and they don't have a lot else going
for them on offense. Yeah, I'm with you. I think
roll Tad roll. Now there's another game of interest, especially

(01:52:39):
in southern California here. I want to know what USC
is gonna do against this Iowa defense that almost handed
the Oregon Ducks another loss that was a great game,
came down to the very end, and i WA being
at number twenty one, I think they're better than that.
I know USC is only seventeen, but they're getting six.

(01:53:02):
They're giving I should say, six and a half points
in this one. The Trojans and Iowa was defense is
as stingy as it gets. They got to go to
the coliseum on the road, but that's the type of
physicality that typically gives USC problems.

Speaker 2 (01:53:14):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:53:15):
Now, I will say USC hosted Michigan earlier this year,
one of the more physical teams in the country, and
kind of handed them their lunch, so we'll see how
that ends up going. The wild card in this adam
is the weather. It is a very very rainy weekend
all weekend long in Los Angeles, and Saturday is supposed
to be one of the worst days. There's like a
ninety two percent chance of rainfall at kickoff and it

(01:53:37):
is not gonna let up. I think I read a
weather report on Friday that there's gonna be over two
inches of rain that's gonna hit southern California over a
twenty hour period till Saturday. Beginning on Saturday, so that
plays right into Iowa's hands. Iowa, who, by the way,
just came from playing in the torrential downpour against your
Oregon Ducks last week.

Speaker 2 (01:53:55):
So that's gonna work in their favor now.

Speaker 1 (01:53:58):
Especially because USC fans aren't going to make it to
the game in time. Oh yeah, if at all, the
place would be empty when there's when there's half an
inch of rain out here, and so they're California, everybody
just packs it in now.

Speaker 3 (01:54:11):
Lnkin Riley said this week he's not really concerned about
the weather affecting their style of play unless there's gonna
be high wins. Now there's gonna be high wins in
comparison to what it typically is, but nothing out of
this world, at least according to what I've read. So
they still plan to come out and be relatively balanced.
It's not like they're out there throwing the ball ninety
times a game with mayav but they're they're a pretty

(01:54:31):
balanced attack, going back to what they used to be
or what Lincoln Riley seems in Oklahoma used to be.

Speaker 2 (01:54:36):
So I think it be a pretty entertaining game.

Speaker 1 (01:54:39):
But to offense versus top five defense.

Speaker 3 (01:54:41):
Yeah, absolutely so it is very much you know, iron
shopper and iron and you know, unstoppable for some movable
objects situation. I'm gonna give the edge to USC because
they have a lot of offensive weapons and I do
think that they can score more points. Oregon has been
kind of limping offensively last couple of weeks if some
of their better offensive players have been out, and I
think that's part of the reason why they've been somewhat lackluster,
although you wouldn't know it based on how they performed

(01:55:03):
on Friday Night.

Speaker 1 (01:55:04):
A little thin with their playmakers, but yeahst night wasn't
top tier.

Speaker 3 (01:55:08):
Yeah, USC doesn't have that issue, So I would not
be surprising the least bit of Iowa got the victory.
But I'm gonna give the nod to USC being at
home and having a little bit more offensive firepower than Iowa.

Speaker 1 (01:55:19):
But Kevin, yes, do they cover the odds?

Speaker 2 (01:55:24):
Half six and a half?

Speaker 1 (01:55:26):
Nah? This will not well speaking out. Coming up next,
we got two on too off. We got to pick
two favorites in the NFL and two underdogs for this week,
Week eleven. He's Kevin Vigers. I'm Ana Mouslin. You're listening
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Speaker 1 (01:56:09):
It is F and A on FSR. Final segment here
and before we leave you, we gotta leave you with
some good picks maybe sort of kind of mark two
on two on all right. I think last week was
the third week in a row we both went two
and two.

Speaker 2 (01:56:25):
Kevin, Yes, that's right.

Speaker 1 (01:56:27):
I'm twenty and twenty. Kevin's twenty three and seventeen and
Joel Klats twenty four and thirty one.

Speaker 3 (01:56:35):
Why you have to continue to take shots a Joel Klatt?
You're gonna keep doing this until he cut finally comes
on the show, right.

Speaker 1 (01:56:41):
Yeah, that's right, says Yeah, that's right.

Speaker 2 (01:56:43):
Okay, fair enough.

Speaker 1 (01:56:44):
He and Guss same time. Yeah, all right, So we
got to pick two games on favorites to on to
off and two games where we like underdogs in the
NFL for Week eleven, Kevin, you want to give me
an on?

Speaker 3 (01:57:00):
Yeah, I'm going with those Dallas Cowboys three and a
half point faves on the road against the Raiders on
Monday Night football. I think that's right on, and I
think the Cowboys will and them well better cover that
spread on Monday Night because if not, they'll be held
to Bay.

Speaker 1 (01:57:14):
Look, but then you'll be happy as a Raiders fan.
You're hedging here, That's all this is. I see right
through it.

Speaker 3 (01:57:20):
You're one hundred percent right, I'm absolutely hedging here. I'm
not denying that one bit. Why went either way?

Speaker 1 (01:57:26):
Why am I taking the Dallas Cowboys then? Also minus three?
Like I got nothing here? I just feel like their offense.
I don't know if the Raiders can keep up with them.
Even if Dallas's defense is that bad, the Raiders offense
is that dead.

Speaker 2 (01:57:41):
Hey, they score twenty nine against Jacksonville the week.

Speaker 1 (01:57:43):
Before Brock Bauers is back. He is their offense Like
that changes everything?

Speaker 3 (01:57:48):
Guys a monster? I mean he basically beat Jacksonville by himself.
Well they didn't beat they lost to them, but kept
them in that game by himself.

Speaker 1 (01:57:54):
All right, Well, give me another on here.

Speaker 3 (01:57:57):
How about the Houston tex and six point favorites over
the Tans Texas at the Humungus comeback victory after getting
down big last weekend, right in the arm of Davis Mills.
And they're gonna be doing it yet again with CJ.
Shroud out for a second consecutive week. So like Houston
to cover that six point spread in Tennessee.

Speaker 1 (01:58:13):
All right? This team beat up on the Cleveland Browns before,
Well who doesn't Why can't they do it again? Ravens
minus eight with Lamar Lamar Jackson playing well. They need
to win this game. They are living and doing the
high wire.

Speaker 2 (01:58:31):
Act, must win mode.

Speaker 3 (01:58:32):
Adham, They're just they are the noted, They're the Notre
Dame fighting Irish of the NFL.

Speaker 1 (01:58:35):
They gotta win, yeah, but they put themselves in this
position like the Clippers. They gotta win every game for
the next couple of weeks. So Ravens minus eight my
other favorite, my other on what about an off a
dog an underdog? Do you like? Kevin?

Speaker 2 (01:58:47):
I'm gonna go with those Bears. I know I've talked
them up earlier.

Speaker 3 (01:58:50):
The Vikings are two and a half point favorites over
the Bears in Minnesota. I am a believer in Ben
Johnson and Caleb Williams in turn of this Chicago offense around,
and I think they're gonna get it done. They're gonna
come up as underdogs and get a find a way
to cover that spread and maybe even get the victory.

Speaker 2 (01:59:06):
Outright.

Speaker 3 (01:59:06):
I'm gonna call it outright victory over Minnesota. Bears are back, went.

Speaker 1 (01:59:10):
Back from what nineteen eighty five? Yes, absolutely, it's like
that in Chicago.

Speaker 2 (01:59:17):
Absolutely, all right, some years they're Adham all right, stand up. Yeah,
he winning record, blades.

Speaker 3 (01:59:23):
A winning record for the Bears through week ten to eleven,
whatever it is at this point in time.

Speaker 2 (01:59:27):
That's a victory. We'll take it. Mark agrees with me.

Speaker 4 (01:59:29):
All right.

Speaker 1 (01:59:30):
I don't always like picking a game that could be
this close between two great teams. But if you're giving
me three points with the Seattle Seahawks, with how good
they have looked, I'll take your points fair. Maybe they
went straight up, maybe they went closer than that in
LA against the Rams. Give me Seattle one more off
from you, Kevin.

Speaker 2 (01:59:50):
I can see that.

Speaker 3 (01:59:51):
I'm going with the Detroit Lions. They are two and
a half point dogs against the Eagles. Is that what
yours too? I saw your reaction it is.

Speaker 1 (01:59:58):
That's what I changed my play us forward Denver two
after your analysis.

Speaker 2 (02:00:02):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (02:00:02):
The way that the Eagles are playing right now, I
only have a great record. We talked about it with
e from Salon. But I love Detroit. I think they're
rolling and I think they beat the Eagles.

Speaker 2 (02:00:09):
In this one.

Speaker 1 (02:00:09):
Is Dan Campbell calling the plays in this game too?
I haven't heard otherwise, because let me tell you, it's
one thing to take over play calling duties when you're
going up against the Commanders. Now you're going up against
a real team. I want to see what Dan Campbell
can do calling the shots again. He did look good
last week.

Speaker 2 (02:00:24):
It looked great.

Speaker 1 (02:00:26):
They looked amazing, all right, So we're on the same
two teams when it comes to the Cowboys and the Lions.
This has been FNA on FSR. We got Project Nil
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