November 29, 2025 • 18 mins
Guest host Ryan Wrecker and filmmaker Dean Alioto explore his research into alien technology, why he thinks aliens may not be offering humans more assistance, and if mankind is simply not advanced enough yet to understand how to reverse engineer their technology.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Now here's a highlight from Coast to Coast AM on iHeartRadio.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
Welcome back to Coast to Coast AM. I'm Ryan Recker,
your host tonight, and we're joined by filmmaker Dean Aliotto.
You can find him online his new movie The Alien Perspective,
a two part documentary Alien perspectivemovie dot com. Dean, I'm
already getting a lot of emails, so I think we're
going to get some good calls next hour. Can I
(00:26):
ask you part of the documentary that was really interesting
to me. You talk to a woman who was welcomed
to the Vatican to look at some.
Speaker 3 (00:35):
Of their archives.
Speaker 2 (00:37):
You said that or she said rather as part of
the documentary that she was down there with guards. They
wanted to make sure that one nothing was damaged, but
two nothing was taken and there was no photographs taken.
I would think that type of access is once in
a lifetime for many different journalists, and to me that's
really fascinating. It makes me wonder what kind of things
(01:00):
you would search for if you were given access to
any archive. Because a lot of different ideas you bring
up as part of the documentary about the film that
you go in different directions. What's the one thing you
would start searching for if you had unlimited access?
Speaker 3 (01:16):
Wow?
Speaker 4 (01:17):
Well, first of all, that was professor of religious studies,
doctor Dinah Pasoka, who's in our documentary.
Speaker 5 (01:25):
Life Beyond Earth.
Speaker 4 (01:27):
She was granted that permission because she was a religious
studies scholar. She was the first woman, I believe, to
be able to go into the Vatican's secret archives, and
so that was a kind of a huge tipping point
for that. If I could go, well, first of all,
(01:50):
I want to know what sections they have. You know,
I'd probably go because I know they do have an
extraterrestrial program. It's now called microbial uh program, but it
was before called the extraterrestrial program, and so I would
probably hit that.
Speaker 5 (02:07):
But I would also want to know.
Speaker 1 (02:10):
God.
Speaker 4 (02:11):
When I think of libraries, oh man, I mean there's
the Acasak record libraries.
Speaker 5 (02:17):
Sure, that would be great to find out you know,
where we came from, where we're going.
Speaker 2 (02:23):
Yeah, I mean it's interesting. Yeah, the idea that there's
these records are out there. And there's a show on
Apple TV now called Pluribus. I don't know if you
watched any of it's it's pretty new, and daughter just I.
Speaker 5 (02:34):
Don't want to watch it.
Speaker 3 (02:36):
It's very good. I'm really enjoying it.
Speaker 2 (02:38):
But the idea that and I don't want to spoil anything,
but the idea that you can have access to anything
that you request, and as part of a plot point,
I don't want to ruin it. I thought, that's one
of the first things I would say, I want to
open the Vatican records and read what's in there that
that interests me.
Speaker 3 (02:56):
Let's go back to the idea of tradition life.
Speaker 2 (03:01):
The way we look at these crafts may be completely
different than the reality, and I want you to kind
of explore that idea that there may be concepts outside
of traditional life that we need to explore.
Speaker 4 (03:17):
Sure, so my belief system was radically changed over the
eight years going down this again, this rabbit hole for
lack of a better word. First, I started out thinking, Okay,
it's got to be some type of fusion, it's got
to be some type of thing where they're going in
black holes.
Speaker 5 (03:36):
Et cetera.
Speaker 4 (03:36):
Which it still may be, but I'm feeling like at
some point you start intuiting things. And by the way,
during these documentaries, I had an experience I've never had
on any film or documentary that I've ever done in
the past, which is ed to go on do these
meditation retreats, and I would have my like, my eyelids
(03:58):
flutter when I felt like there was a lot of energy.
That sounds very woo woo, but my ex and I
were into that stuff at the time, and when I
was editing this, my girlfriend would look over at me
across the room and she would say, what's going on?
And she would see my eyelids fluttering, And it was
this weird thing. I mean, I know this really sounds wool,
but it was this weird thing that I felt like
(04:19):
when I was really deep into it and time was
going by minutes, you know, were actually hours, there were
certain things that I was looking at, and one of
them was that these crafts might be traveling. First of all,
I do feel like they are organic, and I talked
to Luel Azando about this in I'm want to say,
(04:41):
two thousand and eighteen twenty nineteen, and he was a
complete agreement that there was some form of an organic
aspect to these and that they may be their own breathing, living.
Speaker 5 (04:54):
Living a structure.
Speaker 4 (04:56):
And so I started thinking about that, about the telepathy between.
Speaker 5 (05:02):
Because where we're going and where our brains are headed.
Speaker 4 (05:04):
According to doctor Michael Masters, we are going to become
more and more clairvoyant. That's intuitive, and he's seeing that
we're going to have the capacity for that based on
the limited knowledge that we know of how the brain
works and the and even the ocular structure of our
eyes and how that could develop. So if we're able
(05:25):
to manipulate these crafts, you wouldn't have you wouldn't need
to have like a a gear shift, you wouldn't even
need to have a steering mechanism. It would just be intention.
But there's two other things that that came up for me.
One of them is that I think these crafts, first
of all, they're skipping time. We know this when you
(05:48):
look at as a case, and again I look at
all the cases that are out there, and I try
to find corresponding things like you know, again it's my
background working on crime shows. You got that yarn that
goes from one bit of evidence to another. And what
I'm seeing is if you look at the case, the
very famous case and that Nickerson's Randall Nickerson's movie The
(06:10):
Aerial Phenomenon, You'll see that these kids describe the beings
that they saw as seeming to skip in time when
they were coming up to approach them, And that got
me thinking, are these crafts just skipping time? And so
what we're perceiving is that they're moving along and maybe
they have a speed that they're able to move along at,
(06:30):
but when they really want to move and relocate themselves,
it looks like it's moving fast when it's just really
skipping time. And so if you're able to do that
and manipulate time, then you can make left.
Speaker 5 (06:43):
Hand turns like that.
Speaker 4 (06:45):
And so the other thing is people have seen deceased
loved ones on or near craft. So if that's possible,
then what if they figured out these non human intelligence,
what if they figured out a way to travel in
the astro plane so they're literally you're able to see them,
And then it kind of shimmers people described just as
(07:07):
they've seen ghosts. I mean, apply everything to the witnesses
of ghosts, to UFOs, and it's the same exact thing
with regards to They'll say they see a loved one
and they look like so solid they could touch them,
same with these craft and then they just disappear. And
so I think it's something that again, you talked about
the physics. There are physics that whenever I hear a
(07:30):
quantum physicist, as an example, talk about, oh, well we
don't have them, that's not how physics work, I laugh
because it's like, oh my god, the hubris. Please allow
for us to evolve into higher forms of physics, things
that we don't even understand, and physics may become an
outmoded term. It could be something else completely, and so
(07:51):
we have to really be, like I said, agnostic.
Speaker 5 (07:53):
We have to think the possibilities are endless.
Speaker 2 (07:57):
I think that's important to point out when you have
to accept that there are unknowns that you are unknown
to you. You have to accept that we can't be
so arrogant to think we know everything there is at
this point of time, because if we did actually believe that,
(08:18):
we wouldn't have any advancements to where we are today.
Speaker 3 (08:22):
Just from our own history.
Speaker 2 (08:24):
We understand our understanding changes over time of a lot
of things. So to say that our understanding of physics
or how the world or how the universe works, or
how it may not work, that could absolutely change in
the future. The concept of them traveling through time is
an interesting one too, because you look at time as
(08:44):
a dimension, and when you talk to some people that
have witnessed this phenomenon, they talk about how they didn't
feel any air or for thrust, things that when we
think about something lifting off the ground, there would be
a fine amount of air in thrust to try to
propel it up in the air, But they don't feel
(09:05):
that sort of thing. It moves in a way that
we don't expect or things that we're used to. So
that's a common thread with people I'm guessing you've talked to.
They all have these common experiences that could be pointing
us in the right direction for our understanding.
Speaker 4 (09:20):
Yeah, it's interesting because when I go to these conventions
and talk about this, I'm equally interested in what the
audience has to say, because they've got their own theories
that they've been munching on, and they don't have a
venue in which to articulate them. And so you know,
when I pull all those together, I keep finding that
(09:41):
it feels like everyone wants to see the movie, right,
and the movie is whether you want to call it
a rival or close encounters, et et cetera. They want
to see the movie of us being able to communicate
with them. They want that image, they want that experience,
(10:03):
and all we're getting right now intentionally so I believe,
are teasers.
Speaker 5 (10:09):
We're barely getting a trailer for what's to come.
Speaker 4 (10:12):
So the people who may be experiencing more of it,
like are getting sneak previews of this movie, of this
full disclosure communion, if you will. With these nhis non
human intelligence are the experiencers, and so that's why it
was important to also pepper them in these documentaries. And
it's actually the main focus of the next documentary that's coming.
(10:36):
But and I don't mean by experiences by just people
who have claimed to have been abducted. I'm talking about
pilots and the way they perceive things. As an example,
you look at Commander Fraver. He looks at this tech
tech craft and what does he say. The first thing
he says when he notices is he says, it turned
(10:56):
and looked at me, and he does that ooop that
sound effective turns and looks at me. He didn't say
the craft pivoted, rotated and started facing me. He says,
it looks at me. So that is basically applying to
consciousness to this thing that it was aware of him
that is telling. So it's kind of like, you know,
(11:20):
a riddle. And as much as we want to get
again to the finish line, we want to get to
see that movie.
Speaker 5 (11:27):
I think that.
Speaker 4 (11:28):
In order for us to fully be able to integrate
with these beings, we've got some work to do evolution wise.
Speaker 2 (11:35):
Yeah, that's interesting. Why don't you think they're helping us?
If evolution is what is needed to bridge the gap
between where we are today and where they are, why
aren't they helping us more to bridge that gap?
Speaker 4 (11:50):
Okay, well, here's my answer for that, and this is
upon how put office put out there. You know, he's
got a couple of theories on this that they might
be helping us, that they have helped us to advance,
which I kind of question, why would an advanced species
give us any type of technology when we're still a
warring species. How do you separate? Like, I want clean technology.
(12:14):
I think that's kind of a win win for everyone. However,
we weaponize everything, So how do you figure out a
way to do clean technology that removes the components of
it being able to possibly harm us? And if we
give them, like you said, suggested that we've had you know,
crafts that have been found and sometimes they've been called.
Speaker 5 (12:36):
Gifted to us.
Speaker 4 (12:38):
I kind of question that because I think, why would
they give us technology that could maybe hurt them? You know,
if we have these crafts, we can fly parallel with them,
And so it's kind of like if you have, you know,
for lack of a better analogy, you've got a warring
group of people want them to advance, and so you
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give them a car. And these people are used to
you know, ride on horses and everything. Now they're going
to be traveling into your space. And so I feel
like that doesn't make sense. Even though there's there's great
testimony and stuff that supports that. I feel like, yes,
but it's got to come with caveats. So I feel like,
(13:22):
why they would help us? We have to meet halfway
in the bridge, We've got a lot of work still
to do, and so I feel like, you know, again,
hol put Off says, you know, maybe this technology is
like an IQ test.
Speaker 5 (13:39):
When we get these crash craft we've got to put
it together, and if we can do that, maybe not
that we win an award, but maybe we've learned something right.
Speaker 4 (13:49):
And so my feeling on that is you can figure
out human IQ by watching ten minutes of CNN.
Speaker 5 (13:57):
Or Fox News. They don't need to get us, have
to see us, you know, try to put together that
Rubik's cube.
Speaker 2 (14:04):
Well, certainly there would have to be some people that
they would trust with this, right. Do you think maybe
there are active communications going on to some level that
we just don't know about. Is that part of the
unknown equation where there could be someone working on something
right now as far as we know, and we just
(14:24):
don't know about it.
Speaker 4 (14:25):
Well, I talk about it and life beyond Earth where
we actually give examples. Dinah Pasoko gives examples, great examples
of how NASA and Russia's space program were started by
two people who believed that they had gotten the information
from non human intelligence. So there's a presidence for this
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happening in the past. These are you know, folded under downboads.
We might have called them back in the day the
muse if you will, but to use you know, verbiage
from the province of our time, we would say it
was a download. And so it feels like there is
some contribution that's been going on and helping us. But
(15:08):
I feel like at the same time, there is a
maturity level of technology, if you will, if you can
call emotional technology, and that is that we have to
be able to get to a place where there is
kind of a hive mentality, you know. As an example,
I see it every time on going to these UFO conventions.
I see a group of people who have a for
(15:30):
lack of a better word, hive mentality where they all
want to see this and experience this, and they're all
open minded. And these aren't warring people, They're just people
that share the same thing, that is the same component
which is why I think the beans are coming here,
which is curiosity, and so that helped the curiosity and
(15:51):
working off of that, I think is what is the
bridge for us and any intelligence life. I mean, you
don't become intelligence and tell without curiosity. That's what gets
you thinking about things and how things work and how
to manipulate things and create things.
Speaker 5 (16:07):
Creation comes from curiosity.
Speaker 3 (16:10):
Yeap. Did you know the comedian Nate BARGATSI very popular commedian,
right awesome?
Speaker 5 (16:15):
Yeah, yeah, he's great.
Speaker 2 (16:16):
So he's got this bit where he said he would
be the worst time traveler, So if he were to
go back in time, he would say, you know, in
the future, you'll have this phone in your pocket. They'll say, oh,
how does it work? And you'll say, oh boy, you know,
I don't know. Satellites maybe, Okay, what's the satellite? Oh man,
you got me there again? Okay, who's the next president?
Speaker 3 (16:35):
Oh no.
Speaker 2 (16:37):
So let's put that in the perspective of aliens, in
the sense that let's say it is an time shift
that's going on with them. I mean, it may be opposite,
or the opposite.
Speaker 3 (16:49):
May be true.
Speaker 2 (16:49):
There that same concept where if he were a time traveler,
he wouldn't know how to explain it, or maybe he
doesn't know how it works technically, but possibly what if
these aliens are going through time and they know our
concepts and what we understand today are so beyond us
that even if they were to explain it, it wouldn't
matter because we wouldn't understand it.
Speaker 4 (17:11):
Right, That's the rub, you know, sci fi writers, that's
their job is to imagine what the future is going
to be. And a lot of scientists have been affected
by that. I mean we have we have Star Trek,
the series that that has taken credit for creating tons
of scientists who are interested in the tricorder, interested in
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time travel and everything else, and so it's it's it's
interesting because if you do go back in time and
you gift them a new iPhone seventeen.
Speaker 5 (17:46):
They're not going to know.
Speaker 4 (17:48):
And you could show them eventually, you could show them
how to maybe use it, but you can't show them
how to replicate it, and you can't show them how
to fix it.
Speaker 1 (17:56):
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Speaker 2 (00:05):
Welcome back to Coast to Coast AM. I'm Ryan Recker,
your host tonight, and we're joined by filmmaker Dean Aliotto.
You can find him online his new movie The Alien Perspective,
a two part documentary Alien perspectivemovie dot com. Dean, I'm
already getting a lot of emails, so I think we're
going to get some good calls next hour. Can I
(00:26):
ask you part of the documentary that was really interesting
to me. You talk to a woman who was welcomed
to the Vatican to look at some.
Speaker 3 (00:35):
Of their archives.
Speaker 2 (00:37):
You said that or she said rather as part of
the documentary that she was down there with guards. They
wanted to make sure that one nothing was damaged, but
two nothing was taken and there was no photographs taken.
I would think that type of access is once in
a lifetime for many different journalists, and to me that's
really fascinating. It makes me wonder what kind of things
(01:00):
you would search for if you were given access to
any archive. Because a lot of different ideas you bring
up as part of the documentary about the film that
you go in different directions. What's the one thing you
would start searching for if you had unlimited access?
Speaker 3 (01:16):
Wow?
Speaker 4 (01:17):
Well, first of all, that was professor of religious studies,
doctor Dinah Pasoka, who's in our documentary.
Speaker 5 (01:25):
Life Beyond Earth.
Speaker 4 (01:27):
She was granted that permission because she was a religious
studies scholar. She was the first woman, I believe, to
be able to go into the Vatican's secret archives, and
so that was a kind of a huge tipping point
for that. If I could go, well, first of all,
(01:50):
I want to know what sections they have. You know,
I'd probably go because I know they do have an
extraterrestrial program. It's now called microbial uh program, but it
was before called the extraterrestrial program, and so I would
probably hit that.
Speaker 5 (02:07):
But I would also want to know.
Speaker 1 (02:10):
God.
Speaker 4 (02:11):
When I think of libraries, oh man, I mean there's
the Acasak record libraries.
Speaker 5 (02:17):
Sure, that would be great to find out you know,
where we came from, where we're going.
Speaker 2 (02:23):
Yeah, I mean it's interesting. Yeah, the idea that there's
these records are out there. And there's a show on
Apple TV now called Pluribus. I don't know if you
watched any of it's it's pretty new, and daughter just I.
Speaker 5 (02:34):
Don't want to watch it.
Speaker 3 (02:36):
It's very good. I'm really enjoying it.
Speaker 2 (02:38):
But the idea that and I don't want to spoil anything,
but the idea that you can have access to anything
that you request, and as part of a plot point,
I don't want to ruin it. I thought, that's one
of the first things I would say, I want to
open the Vatican records and read what's in there that
that interests me.
Speaker 3 (02:56):
Let's go back to the idea of tradition life.
Speaker 2 (03:01):
The way we look at these crafts may be completely
different than the reality, and I want you to kind
of explore that idea that there may be concepts outside
of traditional life that we need to explore.
Speaker 4 (03:17):
Sure, so my belief system was radically changed over the
eight years going down this again, this rabbit hole for
lack of a better word. First, I started out thinking, Okay,
it's got to be some type of fusion, it's got
to be some type of thing where they're going in
black holes.
Speaker 5 (03:36):
Et cetera.
Speaker 4 (03:36):
Which it still may be, but I'm feeling like at
some point you start intuiting things. And by the way,
during these documentaries, I had an experience I've never had
on any film or documentary that I've ever done in
the past, which is ed to go on do these
meditation retreats, and I would have my like, my eyelids
(03:58):
flutter when I felt like there was a lot of energy.
That sounds very woo woo, but my ex and I
were into that stuff at the time, and when I
was editing this, my girlfriend would look over at me
across the room and she would say, what's going on?
And she would see my eyelids fluttering, And it was
this weird thing. I mean, I know this really sounds wool,
but it was this weird thing that I felt like
(04:19):
when I was really deep into it and time was
going by minutes, you know, were actually hours, there were
certain things that I was looking at, and one of
them was that these crafts might be traveling. First of all,
I do feel like they are organic, and I talked
to Luel Azando about this in I'm want to say,
(04:41):
two thousand and eighteen twenty nineteen, and he was a
complete agreement that there was some form of an organic
aspect to these and that they may be their own breathing, living.
Speaker 5 (04:54):
Living a structure.
Speaker 4 (04:56):
And so I started thinking about that, about the telepathy between.
Speaker 5 (05:02):
Because where we're going and where our brains are headed.
Speaker 4 (05:04):
According to doctor Michael Masters, we are going to become
more and more clairvoyant. That's intuitive, and he's seeing that
we're going to have the capacity for that based on
the limited knowledge that we know of how the brain
works and the and even the ocular structure of our
eyes and how that could develop. So if we're able
(05:25):
to manipulate these crafts, you wouldn't have you wouldn't need
to have like a a gear shift, you wouldn't even
need to have a steering mechanism. It would just be intention.
But there's two other things that that came up for me.
One of them is that I think these crafts, first
of all, they're skipping time. We know this when you
(05:48):
look at as a case, and again I look at
all the cases that are out there, and I try
to find corresponding things like you know, again it's my
background working on crime shows. You got that yarn that
goes from one bit of evidence to another. And what
I'm seeing is if you look at the case, the
very famous case and that Nickerson's Randall Nickerson's movie The
(06:10):
Aerial Phenomenon, You'll see that these kids describe the beings
that they saw as seeming to skip in time when
they were coming up to approach them, And that got
me thinking, are these crafts just skipping time? And so
what we're perceiving is that they're moving along and maybe
they have a speed that they're able to move along at,
(06:30):
but when they really want to move and relocate themselves,
it looks like it's moving fast when it's just really
skipping time. And so if you're able to do that
and manipulate time, then you can make left.
Speaker 5 (06:43):
Hand turns like that.
Speaker 4 (06:45):
And so the other thing is people have seen deceased
loved ones on or near craft. So if that's possible,
then what if they figured out these non human intelligence,
what if they figured out a way to travel in
the astro plane so they're literally you're able to see them,
And then it kind of shimmers people described just as
(07:07):
they've seen ghosts. I mean, apply everything to the witnesses
of ghosts, to UFOs, and it's the same exact thing
with regards to They'll say they see a loved one
and they look like so solid they could touch them,
same with these craft and then they just disappear. And
so I think it's something that again, you talked about
the physics. There are physics that whenever I hear a
(07:30):
quantum physicist, as an example, talk about, oh, well we
don't have them, that's not how physics work, I laugh
because it's like, oh my god, the hubris. Please allow
for us to evolve into higher forms of physics, things
that we don't even understand, and physics may become an
outmoded term. It could be something else completely, and so
(07:51):
we have to really be, like I said, agnostic.
Speaker 5 (07:53):
We have to think the possibilities are endless.
Speaker 2 (07:57):
I think that's important to point out when you have
to accept that there are unknowns that you are unknown
to you. You have to accept that we can't be
so arrogant to think we know everything there is at
this point of time, because if we did actually believe that,
(08:18):
we wouldn't have any advancements to where we are today.
Speaker 3 (08:22):
Just from our own history.
Speaker 2 (08:24):
We understand our understanding changes over time of a lot
of things. So to say that our understanding of physics
or how the world or how the universe works, or
how it may not work, that could absolutely change in
the future. The concept of them traveling through time is
an interesting one too, because you look at time as
(08:44):
a dimension, and when you talk to some people that
have witnessed this phenomenon, they talk about how they didn't
feel any air or for thrust, things that when we
think about something lifting off the ground, there would be
a fine amount of air in thrust to try to
propel it up in the air, But they don't feel
(09:05):
that sort of thing. It moves in a way that
we don't expect or things that we're used to. So
that's a common thread with people I'm guessing you've talked to.
They all have these common experiences that could be pointing
us in the right direction for our understanding.
Speaker 4 (09:20):
Yeah, it's interesting because when I go to these conventions
and talk about this, I'm equally interested in what the
audience has to say, because they've got their own theories
that they've been munching on, and they don't have a
venue in which to articulate them. And so you know,
when I pull all those together, I keep finding that
(09:41):
it feels like everyone wants to see the movie, right,
and the movie is whether you want to call it
a rival or close encounters, et et cetera. They want
to see the movie of us being able to communicate
with them. They want that image, they want that experience,
(10:03):
and all we're getting right now intentionally so I believe,
are teasers.
Speaker 5 (10:09):
We're barely getting a trailer for what's to come.
Speaker 4 (10:12):
So the people who may be experiencing more of it,
like are getting sneak previews of this movie, of this
full disclosure communion, if you will. With these nhis non
human intelligence are the experiencers, and so that's why it
was important to also pepper them in these documentaries. And
it's actually the main focus of the next documentary that's coming.
(10:36):
But and I don't mean by experiences by just people
who have claimed to have been abducted. I'm talking about
pilots and the way they perceive things. As an example,
you look at Commander Fraver. He looks at this tech
tech craft and what does he say. The first thing
he says when he notices is he says, it turned
(10:56):
and looked at me, and he does that ooop that
sound effective turns and looks at me. He didn't say
the craft pivoted, rotated and started facing me. He says,
it looks at me. So that is basically applying to
consciousness to this thing that it was aware of him
that is telling. So it's kind of like, you know,
(11:20):
a riddle. And as much as we want to get
again to the finish line, we want to get to
see that movie.
Speaker 5 (11:27):
I think that.
Speaker 4 (11:28):
In order for us to fully be able to integrate
with these beings, we've got some work to do evolution wise.
Speaker 2 (11:35):
Yeah, that's interesting. Why don't you think they're helping us?
If evolution is what is needed to bridge the gap
between where we are today and where they are, why
aren't they helping us more to bridge that gap?
Speaker 4 (11:50):
Okay, well, here's my answer for that, and this is
upon how put office put out there. You know, he's
got a couple of theories on this that they might
be helping us, that they have helped us to advance,
which I kind of question, why would an advanced species
give us any type of technology when we're still a
warring species. How do you separate? Like, I want clean technology.
(12:14):
I think that's kind of a win win for everyone. However,
we weaponize everything, So how do you figure out a
way to do clean technology that removes the components of
it being able to possibly harm us? And if we
give them, like you said, suggested that we've had you know,
crafts that have been found and sometimes they've been called.
Speaker 5 (12:36):
Gifted to us.
Speaker 4 (12:38):
I kind of question that because I think, why would
they give us technology that could maybe hurt them? You know,
if we have these crafts, we can fly parallel with them,
And so it's kind of like if you have, you know,
for lack of a better analogy, you've got a warring
group of people want them to advance, and so you
(13:01):
give them a car. And these people are used to
you know, ride on horses and everything. Now they're going
to be traveling into your space. And so I feel
like that doesn't make sense. Even though there's there's great
testimony and stuff that supports that. I feel like, yes,
but it's got to come with caveats. So I feel like,
(13:22):
why they would help us? We have to meet halfway
in the bridge, We've got a lot of work still
to do, and so I feel like, you know, again,
hol put Off says, you know, maybe this technology is
like an IQ test.
Speaker 5 (13:39):
When we get these crash craft we've got to put
it together, and if we can do that, maybe not
that we win an award, but maybe we've learned something right.
Speaker 4 (13:49):
And so my feeling on that is you can figure
out human IQ by watching ten minutes of CNN.
Speaker 5 (13:57):
Or Fox News. They don't need to get us, have
to see us, you know, try to put together that
Rubik's cube.
Speaker 2 (14:04):
Well, certainly there would have to be some people that
they would trust with this, right. Do you think maybe
there are active communications going on to some level that
we just don't know about. Is that part of the
unknown equation where there could be someone working on something
right now as far as we know, and we just
(14:24):
don't know about it.
Speaker 4 (14:25):
Well, I talk about it and life beyond Earth where
we actually give examples. Dinah Pasoko gives examples, great examples
of how NASA and Russia's space program were started by
two people who believed that they had gotten the information
from non human intelligence. So there's a presidence for this
(14:48):
happening in the past. These are you know, folded under downboads.
We might have called them back in the day the
muse if you will, but to use you know, verbiage
from the province of our time, we would say it
was a download. And so it feels like there is
some contribution that's been going on and helping us. But
(15:08):
I feel like at the same time, there is a
maturity level of technology, if you will, if you can
call emotional technology, and that is that we have to
be able to get to a place where there is
kind of a hive mentality, you know. As an example,
I see it every time on going to these UFO conventions.
I see a group of people who have a for
(15:30):
lack of a better word, hive mentality where they all
want to see this and experience this, and they're all
open minded. And these aren't warring people, They're just people
that share the same thing, that is the same component
which is why I think the beans are coming here,
which is curiosity, and so that helped the curiosity and
(15:51):
working off of that, I think is what is the
bridge for us and any intelligence life. I mean, you
don't become intelligence and tell without curiosity. That's what gets
you thinking about things and how things work and how
to manipulate things and create things.
Speaker 5 (16:07):
Creation comes from curiosity.
Speaker 3 (16:10):
Yeap. Did you know the comedian Nate BARGATSI very popular commedian,
right awesome?
Speaker 5 (16:15):
Yeah, yeah, he's great.
Speaker 2 (16:16):
So he's got this bit where he said he would
be the worst time traveler, So if he were to
go back in time, he would say, you know, in
the future, you'll have this phone in your pocket. They'll say, oh,
how does it work? And you'll say, oh boy, you know,
I don't know. Satellites maybe, Okay, what's the satellite? Oh man,
you got me there again? Okay, who's the next president?
Speaker 3 (16:35):
Oh no.
Speaker 2 (16:37):
So let's put that in the perspective of aliens, in
the sense that let's say it is an time shift
that's going on with them. I mean, it may be opposite,
or the opposite.
Speaker 3 (16:49):
May be true.
Speaker 2 (16:49):
There that same concept where if he were a time traveler,
he wouldn't know how to explain it, or maybe he
doesn't know how it works technically, but possibly what if
these aliens are going through time and they know our
concepts and what we understand today are so beyond us
that even if they were to explain it, it wouldn't
matter because we wouldn't understand it.
Speaker 4 (17:11):
Right, That's the rub, you know, sci fi writers, that's
their job is to imagine what the future is going
to be. And a lot of scientists have been affected
by that. I mean we have we have Star Trek,
the series that that has taken credit for creating tons
of scientists who are interested in the tricorder, interested in
(17:33):
time travel and everything else, and so it's it's it's
interesting because if you do go back in time and
you gift them a new iPhone seventeen.
Speaker 5 (17:46):
They're not going to know.
Speaker 4 (17:48):
And you could show them eventually, you could show them
how to maybe use it, but you can't show them
how to replicate it, and you can't show them how
to fix it.
Speaker 1 (17:56):
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