May 29, 2024 • 32 mins
Pro shooter and Colt’s Manager of Product Testing Mark Redl joins Gun Talk Nation’s Ryan Gresham for this episode. The guys are discussing a variety of topics including: Mark’s shooting background, Colt’s exhaustive testing process (and why that matters), all of Colt’s new products, Mark’s pro tips and much more. See all of Colt’s new firearms here: https://www.colt.com/ This Gun Talk Nation is brought to you by Stag Arms, Black Hills Ammunition, SecureIt, SDS Imports, Aero Precision, Range Ready Studios and Ruger. Sign up for GunDealio’s Daily Deals: https://www.gundealio.com/enewsletter For more content, subscribe to Gun Talk at guntalktv.com, on Gun Talk's Roku, Apple TV, iOS app, Android app, or find Gun Talk on YouTube, Facebook, Instagram, X and guntalk.com. Copyright ©2024 Freefire Media, LLC Gun Talk Nation 05.29.24
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This is not a widget. Thisis a life saving device. It's not
just some random thing we make withmetal and we stamp it out and who
cares. I'm Ryan Gresham and thisthis is guntognation. This Guntognation is brought
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to you by Stag Arms, BlackHills Ammunition, Ruger SDS Imports, Range
Ready and Secure It all right,Welcome in a guntognation today on Guntognation,
mister Mark Reddel Cult Firearms. Welcomein. Man, dude, you're we've
been doing this for a few yearsnow, haven't we. Yes, we
had like a lot. I wantto talk about it, yesting. We're
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shooting season sixteen of Guns and Gear. Can you believe that? No,
I was a wee lad when thisthing started. Wow, I was actually
on there. Well you grew upinto business, Yeah, I did heritage,
Yeah, I would. You know, my dad would go out on
photo shoots for magazines and you know, I'd I'd come along to help out.
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Sometimes they'd hand me a rifle andsay sit up against that tree and
you know, look this way,look that way, And I'd say,
Dad, should I take my swatchwatchoff? Before He's like, yeah,
definitely take that crap off. Sothat's an eighties reference for all you kids
out there. But yeah, Igrew up in it. Man, you
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kind of grew up in firearms though. I mean, just you've been doing
how long have you been competing inshooting a long time? I actually didn't
get When I was a kid,toy guns were a big thing for me.
Yeah. I always loft toy guns. Toy guns. We did not
have guns in our household. That'sgrowing up. Yeah. See. It's
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interesting because there's so many people thatwe are around who always to say,
you know, just grew up aroundit, grub shooting, grub hunting.
But there are those people who Nope, I didn't, we didn't have guns.
No. I got into it aftercollege eighty one. Uh snowballed,
if you want to call it that. I've been shooting for COLT. This
is my sixteenth year and there wasa few years I shot before that.
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So yeah, what's IDPA now?Thirty years? I think? Yeah?
And my id was number eleven.Oh wow, so I in a long
time eleventh guy doing IDPA. Youguys are still figuring out what the hell
it was at that point? CorrectKen Hackerthorne called me he says, this
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is a good thing. Joined Isaid, all right, I love it.
I do. I love the gunindustry. Yeah. Now that I'm
working full time for Colt, thisis my ninth year. I've done a
few different jobs for Colt. NowI'm settled in. I'm actually the manager
of product testing for the Colt Zc Z group. So they so what
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people here and what actually happens aretwo different things. What they hear you
say is I get to shoot gunsall the time, and it's really fun.
Sometimes that means I have to shootguns and make them go off thousands
of times a day. Correct,I tell people if the guns are working
correctly, it's a good gig.If you have a gun where you're testing
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it and you're running into problems becauseyou know, we do all the prototype
testing, all the R and Dtesting, it can take a long time
to sort out things. Working withengineering and the model shop, you're doing
detective work at that point, right. Yeah, I gathered data the best
way for I gathered data for theengineers to dissect and look at it.
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The reason they asked me to comeover was I'm able to as a shooter
articulate what I'm seeing and help directthem to where we need to go.
Yeah, because you could hire peopleto to shoot guns, right, to
grip a gun and pull the trigger. But if something goes wrong, they
got no, it didn't go off. I don't know, it didn't it
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didn't eject or something to stop.And you're like, no, it didn't
extract. You know you're diagnosed everything, and you know testing is something has
to be done to a certain sequence. We have a test plan that we
have to go by. You don'twant to vary from it because, like
I said, you're you're collecting datafor the company, right. Can you
say, I don't know if youcan say this. Can you say how
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much AMMO you guys go through.I don't want to know how much.
A lot. It's a lot I'veheard from other companies. I mean it's
incredible, but I mean that's whatyou want. That's what everybody listening wants.
They want you guys to do serioustesting on the new products. And
interesting thing is that Cult does that. A lot of companies don't do.
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Yet. We are one of thefew, if not the only, company
that every barrel that's made is prooftested and then MPI before it can even
continue on to be used in aproduction gun. So that means a proof
load is a load that is youhave Sammy Speck, which is certain max
that you can use. Max pressureis about one hundred and thirty percent over
you know over that it's not aload that anyone would ever shoot in their
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gun. No, this is ina fixture and the barrel shot. This
is all of our rifle barrels,all of our handgun barrels. Wow.
The revolvers are done with six roundsin a of that max pressure thing.
For over pressure you have to guaranteethe cylinder and a barrel on the revolver.
Wow. So everyone, So whatis I mean? I kind of
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know the answer. But so ifif a barrel wasn't made right, maybe
it wasn't even you know, alesser barrel. What would happen in a
in a load like that? Whatwould someone see if they had a barrel
that was not up to snuff?Well, we had NBI magnetic particle inspection
where you put electrical charge to themetal and it goes into an oil solution
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with metal in it, and themetal will go to that crack and you'll
see it. You'll see as awhite man you'll see it. So if
there's a crack, wow. Butwe also do barrel obstruction tests. That's
which we actually plug a barrel andfired a gun. That's like blowing stuff
up on purpose, it is,and what you're looking for is what they
call a good yield. A goodyield is if the barrel does rupture,
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nothing comes back towards the shooter.So you have to all set it up
and collect all that data. Butit's pretty impressive to see how durable our
products are. When you do thingslike that. It's like the car companies,
right, they crash cars into wallsand stuff, and you got to
do all that taste and testing correct. You need to because you're sending sending
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out a product to the public andit's it's not a cap to a toothpiece,
right, it's a different thing.You know. We say that all
the time because the products in thegun industry are different. And sometimes we
have people from other industries will comeinto this industry, you know, if
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you will get hired and fired andwhatever, and sometimes that you have to
have that come to Jesus talk withsome of these folks to say, look,
this is a parachute, this isnot a widget. This is a
life saving device. It's not justsome random thing we make with that'll only
stamp it out and who cares likeit's we take you guys take great pride
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in that, right, correct,right. Even how you develop a product,
the steps you go through from designingit, making the prototype, to
test out the whole the whole process, and then getting if we're not production
parts in outside vendor parts and testingit again to the final the gun off
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the production line. So there's quitea bit of testing going on throughout the
entire process before that gun is deemedwe're going to sell it to the public.
Is there is there a part ofthe testing that's the hardest or the
most tricky part of doing R andD. Do you want to know the
worst part about it? Is loadingmagazines? Oh yeah, if you're going
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to test it them for ten thousandrounds, that's a lot of magazine loads
you're doing in nineteen eleven. Yeah, that that is. But you guys
have the you have a favorite magloader or do you just do it by
hand? Yeah? Mark, yourfavorite magloader. His name is Mark.
Yeah. Yeah, No, wedo have Magoula loaders and we've actually made
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some other ones up in the modelshop that aid And I want to know
you guys have to have like,oh, this one's really good. Are
they all? Do you have onethat's like, oh, this one's really
good or what's that the load magloader? Yeah? Yeah, the Bagoules seems
to be one of the best one. Yeah. Yeah, and it is.
It really is a thumb saver,like you would say, oh,
yes, it's worth having for someonewho shoots a lot. Yes, okay,
and I do shoot a lot,even outside of course I compete and
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so I'm still proud, which peoplecan't imagine. You shoot all day and
it's different. But a lot ofit is just making sure you say,
to test up properly and you documenteverything. You know, the test report
afterwards has to be well done.Photos are a big thing because you don't
know five six years from now somethingcould be called into play that you're gonna
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have to bring that test report backup. What you can do, yeah,
absolutely, yeah, obviously, Andyou guys are tracking it. You've
got all the serial numbers, yougot all that stuff, even customer service
anything that's all tracked, everything that'sever called from customer service and everything.
Yeah, so it's a lot offun. I've learned a lot about metals
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and metallurgy. It's not just pullingtriggers all day. There's a lot of
thought and engineering that goes behind it, which I'm glad that I'm part of.
I've heard that designing a magazine isone of the harder things to do
in gun world. Yeah it isfor some reason. Yeah, they because
you know, don't forget you havean angle the magazine and the grip,
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and then the top fee loads andthe defeeding of it is a pretty difficult
thing to do. That's why there'sonly a few magazine manufacturers out there good
at it, and they're making itfor all the industry. And if you
get a bad mag what I've beentold is the best thing to do is
you take it in your right hand, if you're right handed, and you
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throw it as far as you canover the burm. Because a bad mag
is always going to be a badmag It's gonna just cause problems and make
your gun not run right. Andall of our testing and all of my
guns, my match guns practice,I number the magazines and if a magazine
starts to have a problem, thesame number comes up. Yes, I
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deem it no good. People haveto understand magazines are disposable and it goes
bad. It's like the oil inyour car engine. It's like your shock
absorbers. It's not a thing thatis the weak link to semi automatic guns,
and it will fail and you haveto just be willing to let it
go and buy a new one,send it off. What about maintenance on
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magazines? Do you change springs orfollowers, or oil it or do anything
special. I don't oil them becauseit tends to get gritten and slow it
down. So I do I useUltra Sonic cleaner online. I do clean
mine. Now you got understand.I have practice mags that get beat to
death because of all the practicing youdo for matches, and then I have
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my match magazines that they're only formatches, so they don't get the same
amount of use as my practice ones. And then of course I have my
carry mags that only get used inmy carry guns. Yeah, I clean
them. Do you can? Thesprings do wear out, You can replace
the springs, but as far asfollowers, if anything, you know,
start to get the lips to openup right and you'll get feeding issues there
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and once if you start having aproblem with the magazine tube. It's time
to get rid of the baggage.Do you think leaving magazines loaded is a
problem to do you No, I'venever had a I haven't run into an
issue. But people will go ifyou leave them loaded, it's going to
compress the spring and it's gonna makethem not function as well. Well,
that's true, but don't forget you'resemio on a Mac has a compressed recoil
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spring. As soon as you putthe gun back together, that's under pressure
all the time too. So bringingin the gun springing the gun. Yeah,
so is that going to problem?In my personal experience, I have
not had a problem with leaving magazinesloaded for a length of time. Yeah.
Well, I mean we're doing alla while to do that and have
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magazines loaded in a go bag andright, absolutely, probably not a bad
idea to go shoot them occasionally.I guess it's like carry them, we
should shoot that everyone in a while. To put a new carrymo on your
gun every few months. So Mark, let's take a quick break. After
the break, I want to talkabout what's new with colt okay securetgun storage
dot com. The one I'm lookingat secure it right now is the Agile
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Model fourteen and it's kind of asmallish gun safe, kind of a double
decker for handguns ammo gear, butit's also modular so you can stack it
up on the same one, youcan get several of them, or you
could stack it upon a cabinet youalready have from secure it but kind of
cool. It looks like you couldfit probably about five to eight handguns in
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there or mix and match, butit's about that size, so like the
size of a piece of luggage,so easy to fit various places. The
cabinet is vented so you can storeAMMO in there and also has their modular
organization system so you can you canorganize it that way, So check it
out secureitgunstorage dot Com. One ofthe new ines from Ruga right now is
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the LC carbing and forty five autokind of feels like a lot of old
school forty five autos, but it'sthe modern version of the throwback right so
that forty five car being fun toshoot because a forty five doesn't have a
lot of recoil and especially in acar being configuration and if you have a
lot of forty five amlaying around.This is an awesome way to burn it
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up, so go check it outat ruger dot com. The new lccarbing
In forty five Auto Tokarev USA,part of sds Imports Tokerev is a whole
line of various shotguns, and theseare really neat. The one I'm looking
at is the Tokarev Tar twenty Tartwenty mean twenty gauge, three inch chamber,
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AR fifteen, So at twenty gaugeAir fifteen, that's pretty cool. And
of course, being part of sdsimports Tokerev, these are not going to
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go check it out over at TOKEREVUSAdot com. Aero Precision known for helping
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The great thing is I've been totheir plant. Jeff and Christy Hoffman
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Mark, you guys are always comingup with stuff. Maybe maybe just give
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people an update. Colt c Z, you guys are you guys are going
steady now? Yep, if youwant to call it that, it's called
the Cult c Z group. We'vebeen working well together, we've been complimenting
each other. Well. Uh,it was a good boost for Cult to
have this opportunity with them. Yeah. They took away a lot of the
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debt that we had, so thatallowed us to expand into more products,
more innovation. I mean, whoeverwould have thought that we come out with
a bolt action rifle like we dida couple of years ago TBX right,
Yes, when you got when Istill feel like, you know, I
got to go out and shoot itin Arizona with you guys and you brought
it out and it was fantastic.I still feel like maybe people are not
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aware of it, and it's likeand it's sometimes that happens. It's like
when you're you're in it, it'slike, yeah, but did you guys
know Colt has a bolt gun?I mean, and it's really nice.
It is a nice guy. It'sone of the most accurate guns I've ever
shot. It's out of the box. It'll it will do sub mlah.
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Yeah. We were testing one,the Precision three O eights and there's eighty
six hundred rounds to it and it'sstill shooting under an inch at one hundred
yards eighty six hundred rounds. Imean, I'm not an expert at this,
but like, wouldn't that Some peoplewould say that shoot out of barrel,
that's what they say. It dependson how well the barrel's made and
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the materials that's made out of.But it's I think one of the things
was is okay. Cold came outwith a product that never did before.
A lot of people are maybe looking, let's wait and see and see how
the people really like it. It'sbeen it hasn't been that long. The
six' five cream more now iscoming out. Guys are expanding a super
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cartridge also, there's some other cartridgesthat are into works. So it's been
good for us to be a littlebit more versatile on what we're doing.
The Revolver line is just phenomenal.Yeah, we should talk about that's that's
your world. I mean, Iknow you do all of it, but
you are definitely a Revolver in nineteeneleven, guy, yep, So kind
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of give us the updates on theRevolver side of things. Well, we
have expanded to pythonline with a lotof barrel length. Again, people have
been asking for us, so nowtwo and a half three inch, four
and a quarter five inch, sixinch eight inch. I mean, if
you can't find the right flavor forwhat you want, you're not looking good
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enough. Super durable, great actionright out of the box. Of course,
the Anaconic came into forty four magnum. That's a huge success. It's
a great hunting gun. We gotfour and a quarter inch, we have
the six inch, we have theeight inch. It's just because, like
the Anaconda, huge success. Peopleare all excited about it, and it's
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kind of like, you know,bringing out guns and ten or bringing out
something and just these big heavy cartridges. I don't know what it is about.
Maybe it's Americans. We are drawnto this and you go, but
man, and then they still goshoot, you know, twenty twos because
those are fun to shoot. Butthey'll buy a forty four Magnana Conda all
day long. Yep. And ifthey had the Python, they wanted to
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buy Dianacona to go with the Python, same barrel. It's right, it's
Americana. I guess this is thebest way to put it. People love
big boar shooting. I mean it'sa thing now. I know. There's
even been some matches where they've usedhandgun hunting in field conditions, almost like
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the Precision Rifle series, but withhandguns. That's cool going out the four
hundred yards. Do anything like that? Yeah? Yeah, are one shooter.
J Least Williams last year did oneout in Cameo out in Okay,
Colorado. Yeah, I mean whata facility that is. But so it's
it's something big, it's something prettyneat. That is cool. Now,
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you you kind of rang the anacondout. You were telling me a story
earlier about shooting it out at distance. Oh yeah, the six inch that
we were using for testing, andwe were doing some video shoots. We
were up at a Hartford gun cluband had one hundred yards on the rifle
range and say, how a steeltarget that's like a USPA target and standing
hit six out of six double actionall day. Now, I prefer to
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shoot my Revolver's double action. Ivery rarely shoot single action because I roll
through the trigger. It just maybeit just feels more comfortable for me to
roll through the trigger. But yeah, they're a really good, good gun.
So I know at I tested onewith the scope mount on it with
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a loophole handgun scoope. Yeah,and I was shooting three inches at fifty
yards with that, So that's awesome. Yeah, that's a neat gun.
Yeah it is. There's also aton of variety of AMMO. When you
think about how how heavy you cango with a forty four magnum to how
light you can go with a fortyfour special it's an incredible wide range of
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things that you can shoot through it. And the same can be said with
three fifty seven. There's some trueyou know, one hundred and eighty grain,
two hundred grain three fifty seven,so you can run thirty eight specials.
And that's the beauty of our pythonsand the Anaconas with you adjustable sites,
you can readjust the sites to whatyou're shooting and just zero writing for
what you're using it for. Andpeople might not realize that they perhaps ought
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to recite in you know, readbecause everyone it's iron sights, iron sights
for iron sights. But not necessarilytrue, right, No, not necessarily
true at all. Every everybody looksat sites are slightly different to begin with.
If I gave you a gun thatwas dead on for me, you
might look at a little it mightnot hit the same point of view.
Really, Yeah, Ammo bullet weightsand AMMO make a huge difference in where
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they impact on a target. Yeah, for sure, it's not just like
well it's forty four mag who caresjust the bullet weight and the velocity,
And they will print at different heights. And I even see a little windage
difference on them. And yeah,you'll find a certain round in your gun
that your gun likes. That's whatI was gonna say, that's the one.
Yeah, certain guns you try outseveral different ammos and yeah, it
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could be all forty four mag butit likes the one hundred and eighty grain
or it likes the two hundred grainor whatever, or just the brand or
the brand. Yeah, and thenif you find it, here's a pro
tip too, go buy a lotof that lot because it may change in
a few years. It may bea little different. Yes, I agree,
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one d per. Grandma didn't makethat recipe the same way. Shouldn't
follow a recipe. Well, thingschange change even just now they have dry
to raging now I don't know eventhe materials that the bullet has made of
changes slightly. Yeah, and thatthe way grips in the rifling can change
the way it groups. So there'sthis pistol mark that I don't know if
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you've heard about it, but itjust seems to really be catching on.
It's called the nineteen eleven and itwon't die Like this thing is just like
ridiculous. So still new guns inthe nineteen eleven platform coming out all over
the place. Yeah, a lotof them coming in from overseas. A
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lot of manufacturer just tells you thetimeless design of a nineteen eleven. You
know, some people say they wantto improve it, modernize the look and
everything. Give me the classic nineteeneleven lines and that that's what I want.
The nineteen eleven is like the ARfifteen. It's the Lego kit for
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men. Right, you can do. I can change a nineteen eleven fit
by so much, by different triggerlanes, grip safeties, even thickness of
grips and everything. There's so muchavailable for it. But when you just
come down to it, a productthat was designed that many years ago that
still has to follow me it doestoday. It's amazing. It's amazing.
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If you look at a lot ofthe things in your house, there's nowhere
near what they were one hundred yearsago. But nineteen eleven. Yeah,
we've enhanced it with better grip safety, is better thumb safeties. But that
classic design that John Brownie came upwith, which a lot of other guns
were all based on his designs,it's pretty remarkable. Now in competition,
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are you shooting nines or thirty eightsupers forty five? What are you shooting
these days? It depends on whatdivision I'm shooting, But I prefer to
shoot a forty five. Okay,I'd really like the way forty five feels
in my hand and recoil because it'smore of a push in a snap,
is the best way for me todescribe it. I do play with the
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nine millimeter in USPSA, but Irun a heavier bullet. I run a
one forty seven bullet. I'm tryingto get that same push instead of snap.
I've noticed that lately. We weredoing some some testing on some various
guns and we had, you know, like twelve different loads of This was
in nine twelve different loads of ninefor the same gun, and I mean
we went from one hundred grains toone forty seven's. Actually no, we
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had We even had some friends,but that was like sixty five grain,
so wide range of stuff, andon that particular gun, at least the
one forty seven's were the most comfortableto shoot, because it's just I think
you're right, it has that pushpush push, not a not a wow
wow wow cry thing. Yeah,that's what I like about it, you
know. I and that's the fortyfive to me is also a very forgiving
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round. And what I mean bythat is you can have just about any
flavor any manufacturers forty five two hundredand thirty grain and you all shoot well.
It's almost like a three zero eightmultaction rifle. It's very forgiving.
And what amimal you put in,they all seem to shoot a good group.
They will shoot better with some thanothers, but you can always it'll
always shoot what you wanted to do. Also, for it seems like forty
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five's are a little bit more reliableas far as just functionality. Yeah,
because the gun was made to feedthat length bullet nine millimeters a little shorter.
That's why thirty eight super seems tofeed better in a nineteen eleven coast
it's the same length as that fortyfive. Okayall cartridge, Yeah, yeah,
I load mine a little long tomake it a little bit better.
And don't for magazine development over theyears has been a lot better for the
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nine millimeters or something. Checkmate makesa great one, Meguard does, so
that helps the reliability of it.But just the manufacturing today, the C
and C machine and keeping everything sotight in tolerance is that there's no more
having to hand fit guns like theydid in the past because the guns are
the parts are so well made today. How much do you think that?
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I mean, I look at aforty five ACP you know, a ball
round, and it looks like abig scoop of ice cream, you know,
out there, and it's just theshape of that just seems like it
would be friendly for feeding. Yes, right, yep, there are.
And then you've have wad cutters.Sometimes semi wad cutters can be you have
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the sharp shoulders, I mean,like a heath bullet or something. They
can catch even the holowpoints, thehollow points they carry. My gun have
a nice rounded shape in the front, even though it's a hollow point.
You don't want that blunt mine,you know, I polish mine, tuned
mine, don't forget. Nineteen elevenis a control feed round, right,
so it has to come up underthe extractor when it's going in, So
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that extractor has to be tuned rightin order for it to feed really nice.
Yeah, So fortunately, I thinkthat a lot of nineteen eleven's these
days come from the factory ready toshoot. Yep. I mean I think
back in the you know, quotequote old days, there was a lot
of tuning that happened. We boughta gun, send it to a gunsmith.
R Now you don't Yeah, yeah, you don't have to at least
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right, don't forget. You talkedto all the top gunsmiths and they still
want to do all the work onthe cult. This is Colt on it.
Oh yeah, you know, theyjust the metal and the frame and
the slides. It's just a bettercanvas for them to work with than a
lot of the other manufacturers. Butyeah, and I mean, who would
think that people are still using gunsfrom World War Two, their gun souvenirs
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that their father had, or youknow, nineteen eleven, nineteen seventeen manufactured
guns. It's totally amazing. Itis amazing. And I'm not talking about
pul too. All the gun manufacturers. We have guns from years going by
that people are still using. It'spretty impressive about the gun industry and what
we've made over the years. Well, it's one of the few consumer products.
I've said on this show, We'vesaid it on radio. It's a
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few consumer products where you buy itand you fully expect for it to last
generations if you take care of itone hundred years or more. Yep.
I mean there's no reason why youshouldn't have that reasonable expectation on a product
which nowadays I mean, gosh,you could. That's not the case at
all. I mean you're refrigerator.The guy will like, yeah, we
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expect it to break in five years. You just throw it away, Like
are you serious? Right, becauseyou can't maintain it though, yeah,
the new new or a firearm,maintenance is a very important part of it.
But you can still do maintenance onit. Yeah. My spring,
I tell people springs are a bigthing. On nineteen elevens. My recoil
spring on a five inch gun,a government model. I'm changing every five
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to six thousand rounds because they doget whooped is the best way to describe
it. They get compressed and theylose it a little bit. My main
spring, my Seers spring fire print. Once a year they get replaced,
okay. And it's you know,like maintaining your car. It's mechanical.
If you maintain your car, you'llget two hundred three hundred thousand miles out
of it. If you don't takecare of it, it's not going to
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last that long. But it's thesame thing with the firearms. Once you
start getting springs weekend, that's whenyou start hurting the gun they get.
They can beat themselves up because they'repounding against each other well. And then
the other part is the more youshoot it, the better it gets.
With guns like that, that justsmooths out. It's just perfect. And
I tell you, I can buildthree guns that I think are identical,
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and they're gonna be one of thosethree that's the one that just seems to
shoot better in my hand than theother two all the time. I don't
know why, as well as youtry to make them a little little things.
But yeah, man, we appreciateyou coming down. We always have
fun. I appreciate being here.Good to catch up you guys. Go
check them out? Where should theygo? To find out more about what
you guys are up to, Markgo to Cult website. Cult website yep,
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okay, yep for all the productsaround there a lot of things.
We do have a Facebook page,Instagram, so there's a lot of things
going on at Cult. So ournext show that anybody's gonna see us at
would be the NA Ratio. There'syear come by to boot see what we
have to go harassed. Mark.All Right, guys, that's it for
us. We'll see you next timeon gun talk Nation. To see all
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This is not a widget. Thisis a life saving device. It's not
just some random thing we make withmetal and we stamp it out and who
cares. I'm Ryan Gresham and thisthis is guntognation. This Guntognation is brought
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to you by Stag Arms, BlackHills Ammunition, Ruger SDS Imports, Range
Ready and Secure It all right,Welcome in a guntognation today on Guntognation,
mister Mark Reddel Cult Firearms. Welcomein. Man, dude, you're we've
been doing this for a few yearsnow, haven't we. Yes, we
had like a lot. I wantto talk about it, yesting. We're
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shooting season sixteen of Guns and Gear. Can you believe that? No,
I was a wee lad when thisthing started. Wow, I was actually
on there. Well you grew upinto business, Yeah, I did heritage,
Yeah, I would. You know, my dad would go out on
photo shoots for magazines and you know, I'd I'd come along to help out.
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Sometimes they'd hand me a rifle andsay sit up against that tree and
you know, look this way,look that way, And I'd say,
Dad, should I take my swatchwatchoff? Before He's like, yeah,
definitely take that crap off. Sothat's an eighties reference for all you kids
out there. But yeah, Igrew up in it. Man, you
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kind of grew up in firearms though. I mean, just you've been doing
how long have you been competing inshooting a long time? I actually didn't
get When I was a kid,toy guns were a big thing for me.
Yeah. I always loft toy guns. Toy guns. We did not
have guns in our household. That'sgrowing up. Yeah. See. It's
(01:55):
interesting because there's so many people thatwe are around who always to say,
you know, just grew up aroundit, grub shooting, grub hunting.
But there are those people who Nope, I didn't, we didn't have guns.
No. I got into it aftercollege eighty one. Uh snowballed,
if you want to call it that. I've been shooting for COLT. This
is my sixteenth year and there wasa few years I shot before that.
(02:17):
So yeah, what's IDPA now?Thirty years? I think? Yeah?
And my id was number eleven.Oh wow, so I in a long
time eleventh guy doing IDPA. Youguys are still figuring out what the hell
it was at that point? CorrectKen Hackerthorne called me he says, this
(02:37):
is a good thing. Joined Isaid, all right, I love it.
I do. I love the gunindustry. Yeah. Now that I'm
working full time for Colt, thisis my ninth year. I've done a
few different jobs for Colt. NowI'm settled in. I'm actually the manager
of product testing for the Colt Zc Z group. So they so what
(02:58):
people here and what actually happens aretwo different things. What they hear you
say is I get to shoot gunsall the time, and it's really fun.
Sometimes that means I have to shootguns and make them go off thousands
of times a day. Correct,I tell people if the guns are working
correctly, it's a good gig.If you have a gun where you're testing
(03:20):
it and you're running into problems becauseyou know, we do all the prototype
testing, all the R and Dtesting, it can take a long time
to sort out things. Working withengineering and the model shop, you're doing
detective work at that point, right. Yeah, I gathered data the best
way for I gathered data for theengineers to dissect and look at it.
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The reason they asked me to comeover was I'm able to as a shooter
articulate what I'm seeing and help directthem to where we need to go.
Yeah, because you could hire peopleto to shoot guns, right, to
grip a gun and pull the trigger. But if something goes wrong, they
got no, it didn't go off. I don't know, it didn't it
(04:02):
didn't eject or something to stop.And you're like, no, it didn't
extract. You know you're diagnosed everything, and you know testing is something has
to be done to a certain sequence. We have a test plan that we
have to go by. You don'twant to vary from it because, like
I said, you're you're collecting datafor the company, right. Can you
say, I don't know if youcan say this. Can you say how
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much AMMO you guys go through.I don't want to know how much.
A lot. It's a lot I'veheard from other companies. I mean it's
incredible, but I mean that's whatyou want. That's what everybody listening wants.
They want you guys to do serioustesting on the new products. And
interesting thing is that Cult does that. A lot of companies don't do.
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Yet. We are one of thefew, if not the only, company
that every barrel that's made is prooftested and then MPI before it can even
continue on to be used in aproduction gun. So that means a proof
load is a load that is youhave Sammy Speck, which is certain max
that you can use. Max pressureis about one hundred and thirty percent over
you know over that it's not aload that anyone would ever shoot in their
(05:12):
gun. No, this is ina fixture and the barrel shot. This
is all of our rifle barrels,all of our handgun barrels. Wow.
The revolvers are done with six roundsin a of that max pressure thing.
For over pressure you have to guaranteethe cylinder and a barrel on the revolver.
Wow. So everyone, So whatis I mean? I kind of
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know the answer. But so ifif a barrel wasn't made right, maybe
it wasn't even you know, alesser barrel. What would happen in a
in a load like that? Whatwould someone see if they had a barrel
that was not up to snuff?Well, we had NBI magnetic particle inspection
where you put electrical charge to themetal and it goes into an oil solution
(05:55):
with metal in it, and themetal will go to that crack and you'll
see it. You'll see as awhite man you'll see it. So if
there's a crack, wow. Butwe also do barrel obstruction tests. That's
which we actually plug a barrel andfired a gun. That's like blowing stuff
up on purpose, it is,and what you're looking for is what they
call a good yield. A goodyield is if the barrel does rupture,
(06:18):
nothing comes back towards the shooter.So you have to all set it up
and collect all that data. Butit's pretty impressive to see how durable our
products are. When you do thingslike that. It's like the car companies,
right, they crash cars into wallsand stuff, and you got to
do all that taste and testing correct. You need to because you're sending sending
(06:41):
out a product to the public andit's it's not a cap to a toothpiece,
right, it's a different thing.You know. We say that all
the time because the products in thegun industry are different. And sometimes we
have people from other industries will comeinto this industry, you know, if
(07:01):
you will get hired and fired andwhatever, and sometimes that you have to
have that come to Jesus talk withsome of these folks to say, look,
this is a parachute, this isnot a widget. This is a
life saving device. It's not justsome random thing we make with that'll only
stamp it out and who cares likeit's we take you guys take great pride
(07:24):
in that, right, correct,right. Even how you develop a product,
the steps you go through from designingit, making the prototype, to
test out the whole the whole process, and then getting if we're not production
parts in outside vendor parts and testingit again to the final the gun off
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the production line. So there's quitea bit of testing going on throughout the
entire process before that gun is deemedwe're going to sell it to the public.
Is there is there a part ofthe testing that's the hardest or the
most tricky part of doing R andD. Do you want to know the
worst part about it? Is loadingmagazines? Oh yeah, if you're going
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to test it them for ten thousandrounds, that's a lot of magazine loads
you're doing in nineteen eleven. Yeah, that that is. But you guys
have the you have a favorite magloader or do you just do it by
hand? Yeah? Mark, yourfavorite magloader. His name is Mark.
Yeah. Yeah, No, wedo have Magoula loaders and we've actually made
(08:26):
some other ones up in the modelshop that aid And I want to know
you guys have to have like,oh, this one's really good. Are
they all? Do you have onethat's like, oh, this one's really
good or what's that the load magloader? Yeah? Yeah, the Bagoules seems
to be one of the best one. Yeah. Yeah, and it is.
It really is a thumb saver,like you would say, oh,
yes, it's worth having for someonewho shoots a lot. Yes, okay,
and I do shoot a lot,even outside of course I compete and
(08:50):
so I'm still proud, which peoplecan't imagine. You shoot all day and
it's different. But a lot ofit is just making sure you say,
to test up properly and you documenteverything. You know, the test report
afterwards has to be well done.Photos are a big thing because you don't
know five six years from now somethingcould be called into play that you're gonna
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have to bring that test report backup. What you can do, yeah,
absolutely, yeah, obviously, Andyou guys are tracking it. You've
got all the serial numbers, yougot all that stuff, even customer service
anything that's all tracked, everything that'sever called from customer service and everything.
Yeah, so it's a lot offun. I've learned a lot about metals
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and metallurgy. It's not just pullingtriggers all day. There's a lot of
thought and engineering that goes behind it, which I'm glad that I'm part of.
I've heard that designing a magazine isone of the harder things to do
in gun world. Yeah it isfor some reason. Yeah, they because
you know, don't forget you havean angle the magazine and the grip,
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and then the top fee loads andthe defeeding of it is a pretty difficult
thing to do. That's why there'sonly a few magazine manufacturers out there good
at it, and they're making itfor all the industry. And if you
get a bad mag what I've beentold is the best thing to do is
you take it in your right hand, if you're right handed, and you
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throw it as far as you canover the burm. Because a bad mag
is always going to be a badmag It's gonna just cause problems and make
your gun not run right. Andall of our testing and all of my
guns, my match guns practice,I number the magazines and if a magazine
starts to have a problem, thesame number comes up. Yes, I
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deem it no good. People haveto understand magazines are disposable and it goes
bad. It's like the oil inyour car engine. It's like your shock
absorbers. It's not a thing thatis the weak link to semi automatic guns,
and it will fail and you haveto just be willing to let it
go and buy a new one,send it off. What about maintenance on
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magazines? Do you change springs orfollowers, or oil it or do anything
special. I don't oil them becauseit tends to get gritten and slow it
down. So I do I useUltra Sonic cleaner online. I do clean
mine. Now you got understand.I have practice mags that get beat to
death because of all the practicing youdo for matches, and then I have
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my match magazines that they're only formatches, so they don't get the same
amount of use as my practice ones. And then of course I have my
carry mags that only get used inmy carry guns. Yeah, I clean
them. Do you can? Thesprings do wear out, You can replace
the springs, but as far asfollowers, if anything, you know,
start to get the lips to openup right and you'll get feeding issues there
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and once if you start having aproblem with the magazine tube. It's time
to get rid of the baggage.Do you think leaving magazines loaded is a
problem to do you No, I'venever had a I haven't run into an
issue. But people will go ifyou leave them loaded, it's going to
compress the spring and it's gonna makethem not function as well. Well,
that's true, but don't forget you'resemio on a Mac has a compressed recoil
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spring. As soon as you putthe gun back together, that's under pressure
all the time too. So bringingin the gun springing the gun. Yeah,
so is that going to problem?In my personal experience, I have
not had a problem with leaving magazinesloaded for a length of time. Yeah.
Well, I mean we're doing alla while to do that and have
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magazines loaded in a go bag andright, absolutely, probably not a bad
idea to go shoot them occasionally.I guess it's like carry them, we
should shoot that everyone in a while. To put a new carrymo on your
gun every few months. So Mark, let's take a quick break. After
the break, I want to talkabout what's new with colt okay securetgun storage
dot com. The one I'm lookingat secure it right now is the Agile
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Model fourteen and it's kind of asmallish gun safe, kind of a double
decker for handguns ammo gear, butit's also modular so you can stack it
up on the same one, youcan get several of them, or you
could stack it upon a cabinet youalready have from secure it but kind of
cool. It looks like you couldfit probably about five to eight handguns in
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there or mix and match, butit's about that size, so like the
size of a piece of luggage,so easy to fit various places. The
cabinet is vented so you can storeAMMO in there and also has their modular
organization system so you can you canorganize it that way, So check it
out secureitgunstorage dot Com. One ofthe new ines from Ruga right now is
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the LC carbing and forty five autokind of feels like a lot of old
school forty five autos, but it'sthe modern version of the throwback right so
that forty five car being fun toshoot because a forty five doesn't have a
lot of recoil and especially in acar being configuration and if you have a
lot of forty five amlaying around.This is an awesome way to burn it
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up, so go check it outat ruger dot com. The new lccarbing
In forty five Auto Tokarev USA,part of sds Imports Tokerev is a whole
line of various shotguns, and theseare really neat. The one I'm looking
at is the Tokarev Tar twenty Tartwenty mean twenty gauge, three inch chamber,
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eighteen and a half inch barrel.It's magazine fed and it resembles an
AR fifteen, So at twenty gaugeAir fifteen, that's pretty cool. And
of course, being part of sdsimports Tokerev, these are not going to
break the bank. This is threehundred and twenty nine dollars MSRP, so
go check it out over at TOKEREVUSAdot com. Aero Precision known for helping
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you do gun builds, especially ARfifteen's, and they're still knocking out their
monthly limited edition builder sets. Theone going on right now and I don't
know if you hear this in time, but the one going on right now
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It's the Cerulean cloak finish and it'skind of a sky blue speckling.
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The great thing is I've been totheir plant. Jeff and Christy Hoffman
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take this seriously. They want tobuild the best Ammo they can to provide
you and war fighters the best stuffavailable protect yourself and your family, but
also for hunting and for competition,whatever that might be. So go check
them out. They're also kind ofgetting into the dealer world a little bit
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Mark, you guys are always comingup with stuff. Maybe maybe just give
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people an update. Colt c Z, you guys are you guys are going
steady now? Yep, if youwant to call it that, it's called
the Cult c Z group. We'vebeen working well together, we've been complimenting
each other. Well. Uh,it was a good boost for Cult to
have this opportunity with them. Yeah. They took away a lot of the
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debt that we had, so thatallowed us to expand into more products,
more innovation. I mean, whoeverwould have thought that we come out with
a bolt action rifle like we dida couple of years ago TBX right,
Yes, when you got when Istill feel like, you know, I
got to go out and shoot itin Arizona with you guys and you brought
it out and it was fantastic.I still feel like maybe people are not
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aware of it, and it's likeand it's sometimes that happens. It's like
when you're you're in it, it'slike, yeah, but did you guys
know Colt has a bolt gun?I mean, and it's really nice.
It is a nice guy. It'sone of the most accurate guns I've ever
shot. It's out of the box. It'll it will do sub mlah.
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Yeah. We were testing one,the Precision three O eights and there's eighty
six hundred rounds to it and it'sstill shooting under an inch at one hundred
yards eighty six hundred rounds. Imean, I'm not an expert at this,
but like, wouldn't that Some peoplewould say that shoot out of barrel,
that's what they say. It dependson how well the barrel's made and
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the materials that's made out of.But it's I think one of the things
was is okay. Cold came outwith a product that never did before.
A lot of people are maybe looking, let's wait and see and see how
the people really like it. It'sbeen it hasn't been that long. The
six' five cream more now iscoming out. Guys are expanding a super
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cartridge also, there's some other cartridgesthat are into works. So it's been
good for us to be a littlebit more versatile on what we're doing.
The Revolver line is just phenomenal.Yeah, we should talk about that's that's
your world. I mean, Iknow you do all of it, but
you are definitely a Revolver in nineteeneleven, guy, yep, So kind
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of give us the updates on theRevolver side of things. Well, we
have expanded to pythonline with a lotof barrel length. Again, people have
been asking for us, so nowtwo and a half three inch, four
and a quarter five inch, sixinch eight inch. I mean, if
you can't find the right flavor forwhat you want, you're not looking good
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enough. Super durable, great actionright out of the box. Of course,
the Anaconic came into forty four magnum. That's a huge success. It's
a great hunting gun. We gotfour and a quarter inch, we have
the six inch, we have theeight inch. It's just because, like
the Anaconda, huge success. Peopleare all excited about it, and it's
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kind of like, you know,bringing out guns and ten or bringing out
something and just these big heavy cartridges. I don't know what it is about.
Maybe it's Americans. We are drawnto this and you go, but
man, and then they still goshoot, you know, twenty twos because
those are fun to shoot. Butthey'll buy a forty four Magnana Conda all
day long. Yep. And ifthey had the Python, they wanted to
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buy Dianacona to go with the Python, same barrel. It's right, it's
Americana. I guess this is thebest way to put it. People love
big boar shooting. I mean it'sa thing now. I know. There's
even been some matches where they've usedhandgun hunting in field conditions, almost like
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the Precision Rifle series, but withhandguns. That's cool going out the four
hundred yards. Do anything like that? Yeah? Yeah, are one shooter.
J Least Williams last year did oneout in Cameo out in Okay,
Colorado. Yeah, I mean whata facility that is. But so it's
it's something big, it's something prettyneat. That is cool. Now,
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you you kind of rang the anacondout. You were telling me a story
earlier about shooting it out at distance. Oh yeah, the six inch that
we were using for testing, andwe were doing some video shoots. We
were up at a Hartford gun cluband had one hundred yards on the rifle
range and say, how a steeltarget that's like a USPA target and standing
hit six out of six double actionall day. Now, I prefer to
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shoot my Revolver's double action. Ivery rarely shoot single action because I roll
through the trigger. It just maybeit just feels more comfortable for me to
roll through the trigger. But yeah, they're a really good, good gun.
So I know at I tested onewith the scope mount on it with
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a loophole handgun scoope. Yeah,and I was shooting three inches at fifty
yards with that, So that's awesome. Yeah, that's a neat gun.
Yeah it is. There's also aton of variety of AMMO. When you
think about how how heavy you cango with a forty four magnum to how
light you can go with a fortyfour special it's an incredible wide range of
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things that you can shoot through it. And the same can be said with
three fifty seven. There's some trueyou know, one hundred and eighty grain,
two hundred grain three fifty seven,so you can run thirty eight specials.
And that's the beauty of our pythonsand the Anaconas with you adjustable sites,
you can readjust the sites to whatyou're shooting and just zero writing for
what you're using it for. Andpeople might not realize that they perhaps ought
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to recite in you know, readbecause everyone it's iron sights, iron sights
for iron sights. But not necessarilytrue, right, No, not necessarily
true at all. Every everybody looksat sites are slightly different to begin with.
If I gave you a gun thatwas dead on for me, you
might look at a little it mightnot hit the same point of view.
Really, Yeah, Ammo bullet weightsand AMMO make a huge difference in where
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they impact on a target. Yeah, for sure, it's not just like
well it's forty four mag who caresjust the bullet weight and the velocity,
And they will print at different heights. And I even see a little windage
difference on them. And yeah,you'll find a certain round in your gun
that your gun likes. That's whatI was gonna say, that's the one.
Yeah, certain guns you try outseveral different ammos and yeah, it
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could be all forty four mag butit likes the one hundred and eighty grain
or it likes the two hundred grainor whatever, or just the brand or
the brand. Yeah, and thenif you find it, here's a pro
tip too, go buy a lotof that lot because it may change in
a few years. It may bea little different. Yes, I agree,
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one d per. Grandma didn't makethat recipe the same way. Shouldn't
follow a recipe. Well, thingschange change even just now they have dry
to raging now I don't know eventhe materials that the bullet has made of
changes slightly. Yeah, and thatthe way grips in the rifling can change
the way it groups. So there'sthis pistol mark that I don't know if
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you've heard about it, but itjust seems to really be catching on.
It's called the nineteen eleven and itwon't die Like this thing is just like
ridiculous. So still new guns inthe nineteen eleven platform coming out all over
the place. Yeah, a lotof them coming in from overseas. A
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lot of manufacturer just tells you thetimeless design of a nineteen eleven. You
know, some people say they wantto improve it, modernize the look and
everything. Give me the classic nineteeneleven lines and that that's what I want.
The nineteen eleven is like the ARfifteen. It's the Lego kit for
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men. Right, you can do. I can change a nineteen eleven fit
by so much, by different triggerlanes, grip safeties, even thickness of
grips and everything. There's so muchavailable for it. But when you just
come down to it, a productthat was designed that many years ago that
still has to follow me it doestoday. It's amazing. It's amazing.
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If you look at a lot ofthe things in your house, there's nowhere
near what they were one hundred yearsago. But nineteen eleven. Yeah,
we've enhanced it with better grip safety, is better thumb safeties. But that
classic design that John Brownie came upwith, which a lot of other guns
were all based on his designs,it's pretty remarkable. Now in competition,
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are you shooting nines or thirty eightsupers forty five? What are you shooting
these days? It depends on whatdivision I'm shooting, But I prefer to
shoot a forty five. Okay,I'd really like the way forty five feels
in my hand and recoil because it'smore of a push in a snap,
is the best way for me todescribe it. I do play with the
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nine millimeter in USPSA, but Irun a heavier bullet. I run a
one forty seven bullet. I'm tryingto get that same push instead of snap.
I've noticed that lately. We weredoing some some testing on some various
guns and we had, you know, like twelve different loads of This was
in nine twelve different loads of ninefor the same gun, and I mean
we went from one hundred grains toone forty seven's. Actually no, we
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had We even had some friends,but that was like sixty five grain,
so wide range of stuff, andon that particular gun, at least the
one forty seven's were the most comfortableto shoot, because it's just I think
you're right, it has that pushpush push, not a not a wow
wow wow cry thing. Yeah,that's what I like about it, you
know. I and that's the fortyfive to me is also a very forgiving
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round. And what I mean bythat is you can have just about any
flavor any manufacturers forty five two hundredand thirty grain and you all shoot well.
It's almost like a three zero eightmultaction rifle. It's very forgiving.
And what amimal you put in,they all seem to shoot a good group.
They will shoot better with some thanothers, but you can always it'll
always shoot what you wanted to do. Also, for it seems like forty
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five's are a little bit more reliableas far as just functionality. Yeah,
because the gun was made to feedthat length bullet nine millimeters a little shorter.
That's why thirty eight super seems tofeed better in a nineteen eleven coast
it's the same length as that fortyfive. Okayall cartridge, Yeah, yeah,
I load mine a little long tomake it a little bit better.
And don't for magazine development over theyears has been a lot better for the
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nine millimeters or something. Checkmate makesa great one, Meguard does, so
that helps the reliability of it.But just the manufacturing today, the C
and C machine and keeping everything sotight in tolerance is that there's no more
having to hand fit guns like theydid in the past because the guns are
the parts are so well made today. How much do you think that?
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I mean, I look at aforty five ACP you know, a ball
round, and it looks like abig scoop of ice cream, you know,
out there, and it's just theshape of that just seems like it
would be friendly for feeding. Yes, right, yep, there are.
And then you've have wad cutters.Sometimes semi wad cutters can be you have
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the sharp shoulders, I mean,like a heath bullet or something. They
can catch even the holowpoints, thehollow points they carry. My gun have
a nice rounded shape in the front, even though it's a hollow point.
You don't want that blunt mine,you know, I polish mine, tuned
mine, don't forget. Nineteen elevenis a control feed round, right,
so it has to come up underthe extractor when it's going in, So
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that extractor has to be tuned rightin order for it to feed really nice.
Yeah, So fortunately, I thinkthat a lot of nineteen eleven's these
days come from the factory ready toshoot. Yep. I mean I think
back in the you know, quotequote old days, there was a lot
of tuning that happened. We boughta gun, send it to a gunsmith.
R Now you don't Yeah, yeah, you don't have to at least
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right, don't forget. You talkedto all the top gunsmiths and they still
want to do all the work onthe cult. This is Colt on it.
Oh yeah, you know, theyjust the metal and the frame and
the slides. It's just a bettercanvas for them to work with than a
lot of the other manufacturers. Butyeah, and I mean, who would
think that people are still using gunsfrom World War Two, their gun souvenirs
(29:32):
that their father had, or youknow, nineteen eleven, nineteen seventeen manufactured
guns. It's totally amazing. Itis amazing. And I'm not talking about
pul too. All the gun manufacturers. We have guns from years going by
that people are still using. It'spretty impressive about the gun industry and what
we've made over the years. Well, it's one of the few consumer products.
I've said on this show, We'vesaid it on radio. It's a
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few consumer products where you buy itand you fully expect for it to last
generations if you take care of itone hundred years or more. Yep.
I mean there's no reason why youshouldn't have that reasonable expectation on a product
which nowadays I mean, gosh,you could. That's not the case at
all. I mean you're refrigerator.The guy will like, yeah, we
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expect it to break in five years. You just throw it away, Like
are you serious? Right, becauseyou can't maintain it though, yeah,
the new new or a firearm,maintenance is a very important part of it.
But you can still do maintenance onit. Yeah. My spring,
I tell people springs are a bigthing. On nineteen elevens. My recoil
spring on a five inch gun,a government model. I'm changing every five
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to six thousand rounds because they doget whooped is the best way to describe
it. They get compressed and theylose it a little bit. My main
spring, my Seers spring fire print. Once a year they get replaced,
okay. And it's you know,like maintaining your car. It's mechanical.
If you maintain your car, you'llget two hundred three hundred thousand miles out
of it. If you don't takecare of it, it's not going to
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last that long. But it's thesame thing with the firearms. Once you
start getting springs weekend, that's whenyou start hurting the gun they get.
They can beat themselves up because they'repounding against each other well. And then
the other part is the more youshoot it, the better it gets.
With guns like that, that justsmooths out. It's just perfect. And
I tell you, I can buildthree guns that I think are identical,
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and they're gonna be one of thosethree that's the one that just seems to
shoot better in my hand than theother two all the time. I don't
know why, as well as youtry to make them a little little things.
But yeah, man, we appreciateyou coming down. We always have
fun. I appreciate being here.Good to catch up you guys. Go
check them out? Where should theygo? To find out more about what
you guys are up to, Markgo to Cult website. Cult website yep,
(31:44):
okay, yep for all the productsaround there a lot of things.
We do have a Facebook page,Instagram, so there's a lot of things
going on at Cult. So ournext show that anybody's gonna see us at
would be the NA Ratio. There'syear come by to boot see what we
have to go harassed. Mark.All Right, guys, that's it for
us. We'll see you next timeon gun talk Nation. To see all
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