November 17, 2025 • 37 mins
- Coach MIKE HOLMGREN joins HUGH MILLEN and the guys as the MMQB conversation continues. How did Coach feel after the Seahawks 21-19 loss and Sam Darnold’s turnover issues? :30- How much credit does Coach give Mike MacDonald and his defense for Stafford’s poor output? Was Coach most impressed with? Are there any concerns over the run defense? How big of a loss will it be if Grey Zabel is out for a while? :45- We wrap up the show with a highly anticipated one last thing for Coach. - How impressed was he with AJ Barner yesterday? - How is Coach feeling about the use of the running backs so far? - Coach has a real bone to pick with a certain group of people!
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Now the Monday Morning Quarterback with Mike hom Grin and
Hugh Millin. Here's Chuck and Buck.
Speaker 2 (00:52):
Hi ask good morning, nine o'clock hour here on this
some Monday. It is the whole crew, Ashley, Bucky, Chuck
with you, and of course analysts. Hugh Millan, who's been
with us since eight o'clock and now joining the conversation
is a former Seahawk head coach Mike Holmgren is with
us right here on the radio program.
Speaker 3 (01:09):
Good morning, coach, Good morning guys, Good morning.
Speaker 2 (01:13):
Great to have you with us. We appreciate it. You know,
it was nice Adian studio last week. I don't know
what Bucky said to you to offend you.
Speaker 4 (01:21):
I we'll come back this week.
Speaker 3 (01:23):
Well, no, it wasn't Bucky's fault.
Speaker 4 (01:26):
We'll blame him, okay, all right.
Speaker 5 (01:30):
Well, great to have you with us.
Speaker 2 (01:31):
Unfortunately, we're talking about a twenty one nineteen loss and
a lot's being made, and obviously so about Sam Donald's
for interception Day. What was your read on Sam Donald's
performance Sunday.
Speaker 3 (01:47):
Well, it's probably like everyone else's. It was you can't
win games like that typically. Now they almost won it anyway,
But you know, I said last week, I thought the
play of the two quarterbacks would determine the outcome of
the game, and I think they did. But the Seahawks
did a lot of things and I could almost win
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the game. But Sam, you know, you can't throw four
interceptions and he knows that better than anybody. And I
don't think you're going to see it again. But that
was the game yesterday.
Speaker 6 (02:20):
Well, let's talk about Mike the the way you coach
a quarterback when he's kind of in the midst of
something like that. And to the extent of it, is
it strictly you're just saying, Hey, x's and o's, these
are the reads. You know, the sun comes up, the
rooster crows, you eat breakfast, like this is the sequence?
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Are you doing it? Are you doing it that way?
Or to what extent do you ever think about maybe
I don't say fragility, but you know the mindset where
like whoa, how's this guy's confidence, how's the confidence the
team has in him? Like, you know, is it kind
of just a cowboy up? This a man's game. Uh,
we don't think about that kind of stuff or or
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or to what extent do you pay attention to maybe
thinking about how how is this guy's emotional state?
Speaker 3 (03:13):
Yeah? I think in dealing with Sam, I of course
you you know this, and uh, you know I was.
I was a little more emotional with the quarterbacks on
the sideline than a lot of guys. But they knew
where I was coming from because, uh, you know, I
coached them during the week and you know, he would
I would talk to him and I'd probably get after
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him a little bit for his decision making. You got
to clean it up. We'll keep going. You know, I
believe in you. You know, you never leave it, leave
it go with a negative, you know, but he has
to know. You know you're better than this. Come on,
you know, make let's make decisions. I think my takeaway
from the decisions he was making was he was trying
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to do too much. And and I think when you
watch him play on occasion when he has interceptions or
just throws to you, don't don't make you don't have
to do that. Don't do that. We'll live for another day.
And I think his interceptions yesterday, he tried to do
too much and that, you know what, I applaud that
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in a player wanting to get it done. But then
as a quarterback, that's where the judgment comes in. And
not every quarterback has that great judgment, but I think
he does. You just got to keep keep coaching that.
Speaker 4 (04:32):
Yep, just a bad day, I suppose.
Speaker 7 (04:35):
I mean, coach, how do you walk that tight rope
over getting on him a little bit and letting him
know that decision making is not going to cut it'll
that puts us behind the eight ball and yet you're
also not wanting to clip their wings to some extent
when it comes to you know, you're still wanting them
to try to fit it in the tight windows that
the NFL presents.
Speaker 2 (04:55):
Well, why would you ask coach Homer and he would
have no idea. It's not like you ever coached some
gunslinger that he had sometimes like yeah this, yeah exactly.
I mean you're like practically speaking Latin to him, right, yeah, right,
you could do something out, you.
Speaker 3 (05:12):
Know, Bucky Way. I appreciate the question, Buck, Yeah, I
really do. Yeah, No, I I think in NFL films
have caught me on occasion. You may have seen it
on TV where I'm getting after forever. Uh, it's you know,
there is a thin line there though, and you have
to the quarterback has to understand you and and you
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have to develop that relationship with with your player so
he knows that, you know, Okay, I'm gonna get ripped
a little bit here, but I know what he's doing
and dog gone, I'm not going to do it anymore.
You know, I told you the story about the time
with Hassleback and he kind of came after me after
I rated him and I sent him down you're not
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you're out, You're in, You're out. Seneca get in. And
then Matt came up to me about ten minutes later
and can I talk to you? I said what, and
he goes, I'm sorry, you know what I mean? Then
we I put him back in the game. But I think,
look at I think Bill Walsh. I learned a valuable
lesson from him as well. He was on the phones
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with me. Montana's playing and he's something bad happens and
Bill is going nuts on the phone with me, just
absolutely nuts. Joe comes walking over and I'm going, I'm
not playing talk to him and Bill goes, how's it
going out there? I go, what? What did he just say?
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You know, so there isn't inline And you know this
better than anybody, but a quarterback he gets paid a
lot of money. He's got to be able to handle it.
He has to be able to handle it. And I
think if you don't do that at times, you're making
a mistake.
Speaker 6 (06:50):
Well, I know it better than anybody because I had
a lot of those games, so I had to figure.
Speaker 4 (06:55):
Out how to make that work.
Speaker 6 (06:56):
But you know what, say we talked about Brian Daved
a couple of weeks ago. There's a very important distinction.
Speaker 3 (07:05):
You know.
Speaker 6 (07:05):
You you would get mad, and you can get mad
at me. Fine, that's fine, because like you're treating me
man man, I deserve it. I've made a bad mistake.
But you never I never saw you get disgusted and
like take your clipboard and fling it like a frisbee
right in front of a guy in disgust.
Speaker 4 (07:27):
I don't know.
Speaker 6 (07:28):
To me, that might seem like a subtle distinction. I
think that's a world of distinction, you know. So I
don't know if that was something that you cognizantly thought of.
Speaker 5 (07:36):
Probably not.
Speaker 6 (07:37):
It was just not in your nature to be, you know,
in that way, to just you know, be in disgust
of somebody angry, yes, disgust.
Speaker 1 (07:46):
No.
Speaker 3 (07:48):
Well, you know, I think it's important because I always
preached mutual respect, and because I'm angry at a player
or and didn't have to be a quarter of it
could be in a receiver, it could be anybody. The
the idea of showing that anger in front of the
TV audience and and everybody in that stadium, that's that's
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a huge mistake. Then you're then you're you're really showing
the world what you're doing with that young man, and
you can't do that. You cannot do that, in my opinion,
you know you can. You've got to hold that stuff
in and then deal with it later on or in
a different way. So I think when in Brian Brian
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Dables case, and he and he did that when I
was he had I had him in Cleveland and I
had to talk to him a couple of times about it.
But that's the personality every head coach in this league.
You you know that the different personalities, they treat things differently.
But as the headman, you cannot humiliate your players that way.
Speaker 2 (08:53):
That's a no, no, one more question about donald, at
least for my part before we move on. There are
other things certain to discuss. But you're not, I mean,
you're Mike McDonald. You're not waking up this morning with
your confidence shaken at all in Sam darnoald, are you.
I mean, yes, he had a bad game, and he
made a lot of mistakes, and that was a game
we really wanted to win. Division rival more important than
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just your average regular season game. But Mike McDonald's not
waking up this morning scratching his head wondering if They've
got the right guy.
Speaker 3 (09:24):
Is he No, he is not. He is not. And
you know you got you mentioned Brett earlier. There were
times that I'd wake up on money and go, duh, yo, man,
how I'm going to do this? But he's my quarterback
and I'm believe in him, and I got it's my job.
It's my job to make him better. I know, I
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know he's got the skill and I've seen it. Now
let's work on the things that we can correct. No,
and so No, you're right, Chuck, he's he's he's their quarterback,
and so how do you deal with it? How do
you fix it?
Speaker 6 (10:00):
Yeah, Mike, when you look at kind of where they
are the last six Super Bowl winners after ten games,
one of them was at six and four, one of
them was eight and two, and the other four of
them were at seven and three. So the Seahawks today
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are in the same or better spot than five of
the last six Super Bowl winners. Like they're gonna get
their chances at the Rams, the forty nine ers, they
got everything in front of them. And so I think
from that standpoint, you know, you just say I would
almost look and say this team, the Seahawks everybody's saying,
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are they like the twenty twelve or the twenty thirteen Seahawks.
Speaker 5 (10:49):
Maybe they're not.
Speaker 6 (10:50):
Quite good enough. Maybe they're a year away from being
that dominant team that just has to be like in
a cycling you know, the one that has to face
the head wind. Maybe it's a little better to draft
off it. Nobody's going to be saying Seattle's number one
in the power rankings this week. You know, let them
just kind of be the hunter, not the hunted. And
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they're still in a great place for this season. And
maybe they're not just quite good enough to be, you know,
front runners like that. That doesn't mean they're not good
enough to win a Super Bowl.
Speaker 3 (11:22):
Yeah, I think you make a good point view because
it's a long season and they've got got a lot
of games to play, excuse me. And there they are
in a good position. And if you look at the schedule,
you know, I can do that now. I didn't do
it so much when I was coaching, but I kind
of I'm chalking up some wins right now. The way
they're playing and the way they're defense is the way
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they're playing. You know, take away the four interceptions yesterday,
the way they've been playing on defense and offense, and
so no, and I think there's going to be a
handful of teams, looking how teams are playing this year
in the league, that are in the same position that
we'll have a shot right at the end for the
playoffs certainly and then maybe get into the Super Bowl.
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I do I don't really at this point see any
totally dominating teams. They're good teams. There's a handful of
probably that are at the top. But the dominant team
the team that you go, well, okay, they're in I
don't see that right now. And I see the Seahawks
is getting into the playoffs, and then we'll see what
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happens here. What that's how I believe the team's gonna play.
Speaker 2 (12:29):
Yeah, he wats your thirty thousand foot view after a
loss like that yesterday of this team?
Speaker 6 (12:34):
Yeah, well, I think if I was a captain, i'd
be I'd be saying just that, like, hey, we're okay,
we're great. We just take care of business, you know,
a week by week we're gonna have plenty of opportunities
to to you know, just catch the teams in front
of us. Heck, we're number one and a week ago
or you know, two days ago, the Seahawks were the
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number one team in the NFC. Well now they're they
dropped a far, but you know what, and then another
weekend you can move right back up to number one.
So that that's that's kind of my thought is that
that if they get things corrected, all all all that
happened yesterday, Mike is the Rams held up a mirror
and showed them who they are. And there's things that
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they'll like about themselves, and there's things that they'll say,
we need to correct that. And if they handle it
the right way like pros and they do it that way.
I mean I saw that defense with that those goal
line stands. That sure look like a united freaking invigorated
team that's ready to battle anybody in any way, on
any you know, h on any surface, in any time
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of the day, you know, And so I think they
have the makings. They just the quarterbacks got to stop
throwing picks and then they're fine.
Speaker 3 (13:46):
Yeah, I know absolutely. When you look at the numbers,
excuse me, in the game, Uh, it's startling really when
you compare you know, first allens, in time of possession,
all that stuff. You look at that, and if you
didn't know the score of the game, you'd say which
were these two teams won? And ninety eight percent of
the people would say the Seattle one. But they didn't
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because of the interceptions one. And there are a couple
other things. You know, they settled, had to settle for
field goals instead of touchdowns, and you know, but they
could go away saying, look at we wont let this
one slip away because of this next time, we won't
let it slip away.
Speaker 4 (14:28):
Yeah.
Speaker 7 (14:28):
Well, I mean you just kind of touched on something
that I wanted to get your take on when it
comes to, you know, the settling for field goals, I mean,
down in the red zone, you know, some credit where
credit is due when it comes to the Rams. They
have one of the better red zone defenses in the NFL.
Speaker 4 (14:43):
And so, okay, we'll tip our cap a little bit.
Speaker 7 (14:46):
But I am wondering my mind is starting to be
changed to some degree about being a little bit more
aggressive on fourth downs. I mean, some of the points
that the Rams put up were on fourth down were
because they went for it on fourth down because they
were down and you know, tight down by the goal line.
I mean, is there any part of you that maybe
thought as much as you were conservative when you coach
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that with these new kickoff rules that I mean basically,
there's times when you're getting the ball out near the
forty yard line and you're just a first down or
two away from having three points. And sure, if it's
fourth and nine and you got a fifty five yard field,
go take the three points there. But if you're down
closer to maybe thinking go for that extra four points
instead of just settling for three, because it does feel like,
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even though you're getting three points, you're kind of letting
the other team off the hook.
Speaker 3 (15:33):
Nowadays, Yeah, I think those are the decisions, tough decisions
in this day and age in the NFL because of
the point you made, Buck you you know, Yeah, they
started to drive on the forty without doing anything, without
doing a thing. They start to drive on the forty.
You get two first downs, you're gonna get three points.
So how do you play this? How do you make
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the decisions those are? That's the difference in the game
right now than it was maybe fifteen years ago, you know,
And so you have to decide as a team if
you're going to be aggressive. You know, they yesterday Detroit
and Dan Campbell, their coach has a reputation he's really aggressive,
really aggressive on fourth down. But it comes every game.
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You have to in your mind, and that's the tough
part of being a head coach. You got to make
that decision, you know, and and if it works, you're
really smart. If it doesn't work, why did you do that?
You know? So that's a little bit of the crap
shoot in today's game.
Speaker 2 (16:34):
How big of a factor was it that that punt
jumped out at the one yard line? Are we talking
about a Seahawk win If you don't have to start
your play calling by getting your back up off of
the end zone.
Speaker 3 (16:44):
I think they had a great chance to win if
that didn't happen. In fact, I can't remember the last
time I saw it pun like that. Yeah, that the
way it bounced, the way it got, you know, the
way they downed it. It was beautiful and help the
Rams win the game, you know. But there are a
lot of parts in this game. It was so close.
(17:06):
The game was so close. I can and later on
and maybe the next segment or one last thing. I
have a little thing about the officials. I don't want
to fire you up right now, but I have a
little thing about the officials later on, are you yeah?
Speaker 2 (17:22):
Well, well hoping Mike, all right, yeah.
Speaker 3 (17:26):
Juck, you're in charge. We don't have to go there.
I'll keep it to myself if you want to work
that way.
Speaker 2 (17:31):
Yeah, okay, well I kind of want to know now,
but all right, we'll keep a cliffhanger here for the
rest of the hour.
Speaker 5 (17:38):
We obviously got a lot of other ground to cover.
Speaker 2 (17:41):
I want to talk about Mike McDonald's defense against Matt
Stafford with coach here this morning, and who knows what
else that we'll dabble into with the Mike Holmrin and
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Speaker 3 (18:09):
MM.
Speaker 2 (18:10):
Obviously, we're disappointed, but it's very clear to me that
we have a great.
Speaker 4 (18:13):
Team and.
Speaker 6 (18:16):
We're gonna learn to win games like that, and we're
gonna learn from you know, weeks like this and all that.
Speaker 5 (18:20):
I mean again, we're really we're young.
Speaker 7 (18:22):
You know, you got you know, you got a young.
Speaker 6 (18:24):
Head coach or whatever like that, and learning how to
how to prepare our teams from week to week. You know,
So we're all learning, we're all learning, we're all growing.
I actually think it's like a competitive advantage for us
as we start to grows.
Speaker 4 (18:37):
We are willing to grow and involved.
Speaker 5 (18:41):
We're doing to go job, Mike, give it up, Mike.
I'm with you, Mike, great job, coach, your job, Cook,
keep it up. Hang in there, Buck, you're my boy, book, uh,
Chuck Buck Ashley with you, of course.
Speaker 2 (18:54):
So we've got our experts on hand here on a
Monday morning. We've got Mike Homer, We've got Hugh Millen
with us as we act to a twenty one to
nineteen loss to the Los Angeles Rams. But along those
lines of believing in Mike McDonald coach, man, I just
thought I saw Matt Stafford look confused this season for
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the first time in any game, and I think Mike
McDonald deserves a lot of credit for that. They had
one yard in the second quarter of the Rams. He
had one hundred and thirty passing yards for the games,
and he didn't make the same mistakes that Sam Donald
made in giving the ball up, which credit to him.
But I thought I saw a defensive coach that the
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Seahawks had just sort of outthinking Matt Stafford yesterday.
Speaker 4 (19:40):
What did you see?
Speaker 3 (19:41):
That's exactly what I saw, Chuck. I mean, because Matt
Stafford's really a good player. I mean, he's played a
long time. You can't fool him too much. But the
defense give them credit, and as a result, you give
your head coach. Was the defensive guy credit that he
made life mis and the Rams have a good offensive team,
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And no, that's exactly what happened. So if you want
to take something away from the game in a very
positive way, that's one of the things. Because if he
can do that to Matt Stafford, their defense can do
that to most quarterbacks in the league. And then you
have to eliminate you have to eliminate the mistakes you made.
Speaker 6 (20:25):
Sorry, Mike, were you more impressed by how they defended
Stafford on his own side line of scrimmage, meaning how
they they rushed him, how they blitzed him, stunded him,
or did you find yourself more impressed with the coverags
on the Seahawks side the line of scrimmage?
Speaker 3 (20:43):
Well? I think both things. I think that the defense
you play the Seahawks, you're going to the quarterback is
going to have pressure. So you have to be able
to know, even against a great offense line, you're going
to be able that they have shown the ability through
different ways to get to the quarterback. So then you
have to have the quarterback prepared to throw the ball
correctly and to maybe drop it off get him out
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of his you know, his spot there. But you saw
what you saw yesterday. What I saw was that he's
a really good passer, but there were two or three,
maybe four or five throws where he just missed the throw.
He was short, it was wide. You know, it wasn't
a good throw. And he's a good quarterback. So how
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does that happen. It's a combination of the pass rush
and their secondary is good, and they're doing all this
without love you know who, and which I think when
I think he's one of their best players. So give
them credit. They did a great job that way, really
good enough to win that football game.
Speaker 6 (21:46):
I talk you know, Mike, I think we can all
remember that deep in route, that dagger that the DeVante
Adams he tried to reach back behind him and he
dropped it, and the telecast really showed, you know, DeVante
Adams was really disappointed in himself.
Speaker 4 (22:04):
Guys.
Speaker 6 (22:05):
I tell you, when you when you watch the inzin
copy of that coach's tape, if you look at how
Matthew Stafford Mike is standing, how he threw that. He
threw that ball thirty one yards in the air, and
he was just standing and with Leonard Williams just absolutely
cave in his chest in He just kind of flicked
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it without any rotation in his body, without his shoulder
coming through. It was just like an arm like he
was tossing a I don't know, skipping rocks at a
lake or something. And and yet the ball just jumped
thirty yards down the field, almost perfectly accurate. It would
it would have been better to be a little bit
in front, but but that guy's arm talent is just insane.
Speaker 3 (22:49):
Oh no, he's he's really special and he's been special
a long time. You know, the stat always comes up
his all time records one fifteen wins, one fifteen losses,
and he a, what's that is not very good? But
you know, think of the teams he's been with and
all that kind of stuff. But here's another thing about
the secondary. You mentioned their secondary, our secondary, Demante Adams.
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I think he caught one ball yesterday, yep, I think,
and that was the touchdown. And he's really he's really
a special player, has been for a long time. So
if that happens in a game, you know, you know
they're doing some great things in the secondary.
Speaker 4 (23:28):
Yeah.
Speaker 7 (23:29):
Well, I mean we've given a lot of flowers to
the team that ended up losing, and understandably so I
don't think the sky is falling after the way they played.
I would want to ask coach the idea of I mean,
Kyrien Williams.
Speaker 4 (23:41):
They didn't really slow him down.
Speaker 7 (23:43):
I mean, he only carried the ball twelve times, but
he averaged seven point six yards of carry. Even some
of that skewed because of that one big long run
that he had, but he was fairly effective. Was there
things you didn't like about the stopping of the run game?
Because you know, at the end of the of the
game the press conference, Ernest Jones said, hey, you know,
this ain't all on the quarterback as much as a
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lot of it is. A lion's share of it's on
those four interceptions. But he said, you know, we could
have made some more defensive plays. We could have made
some and that would be one of the only areas
I could think that maybe defensively they weren't really on
top of it.
Speaker 3 (24:17):
Yeah, you know what, I applauded his comments about that.
I read what he said in the paper today too,
you know, and that shows yes to your point, Buck,
I think they could have done a better job. I
was surprised, honestly the Rams didn't do that more. That
guy's a good running back, and to try and do
that more maybe take some of the pressure off Stafford.
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But yeah, I think that I think that's that's part
of the defense there that they're going to have to
against the team they chooses to run the ball and
run the ball well, that they're going to have to solidify.
But you know, in the second quarter, as an example,
I think Chuck you alluded to it a little bit.
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They had the Rams had one yard and the Seahawks
had one hundred and twenty seven in the second old quarter,
you know, so it was a different The Rams didn't
they didn't have the number of plays, They couldn't really
get going on offense the way they typically want to.
And so yeah, there's there's very little, very little to
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poke holes in the Seahawks defense, I think. But if
you're going to be sticky, that's one area that maybe
they can show up just a little bit.
Speaker 6 (25:29):
Yeah, but you know, well, we're talking about Kyen Williams,
the Rams leading running back. In the first quarter, he
had six attempts for seventy six yards, so he's he's
at twelve point seven average. And we talked about how
Ernest Jones had been out of gaps and Kobe Bryant
had mistackles on two of those long runs. But how
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about this, No, he had They had no carries in
the second quarter, like Mike what you're saying about the
time of possession, and then for the third and fourth
quarter he had six carries and he had fifteen yards.
So they just you know, this is a constant theme
(26:11):
with Mike McDonald that you'll see him give up a
long drive to start the game and then they just
button it up. Yep, and no more indicated than yesterday.
Speaker 5 (26:24):
Mike Homngri and Hugh Millan with us here on Monday morning.
Speaker 2 (26:26):
Quarterback. Yeah, no doubt about it. I do want to
ask both of you this question. Gray's abel went down
late in this game. He's been terrific in his rookie season.
I think I would give the loss away if I
found out today that Gray's Abel was okay and ready
to go the rest of the year. But it might
not be the case. So I'll start with you, Coach,
(26:47):
and then go to you, Hugh, just the how big
of a loss that could potentially be for a team
that finally spent a first round pick on an offensive
lineman and that guy was just performing so well, Yeah,
he really was.
Speaker 3 (27:01):
And and if I don't know if you guys have
heard anything or we know anything about the injury, but
if it keeps him out for any length of time,
that's a big hit because that he is. You get
an offensive lineman, and their offensive line is stuck together
all season so far. You start losing some people like
(27:21):
their center, like like Zabel, you know, then all of
a sudden it changes you. You know, it's not the
next it's the next guy up. You want to say that,
but it changes. And so I'm hopeful, hoping for the
best for this young man. Have you guys heard anything
about it yet?
Speaker 2 (27:40):
Just what Greg told us earlier that it doesn't look good,
but they didn't. They didn't speculate afterwards. It just was
I don't know if there was a real positive feeling
afterwards that he's fine.
Speaker 3 (27:55):
Well if if they that'll be a big hit. Well,
and Mike has shown the team has shown real resilience
in handling injury situations. But it's still a big hit
when you lose a lignment like that.
Speaker 6 (28:09):
Yeah, yeah, And I think it's compounded that you had
this situation. You know, Sundel and Zabel had played together
as we all know, at North Dakota State, and so
they had this kind of you know, telepathy with each
other and they're both high IQ guys. Now with the center,
we don't know when Sundell's coming back, but Alua, Timmy,
(28:31):
and then the other part of it is Christian Haynes.
He's been a right guard almost exclusively as a Sea
Hawk when when he was at Yukon he was right
guard for four years. So now Mike, he's going to
left guard. His reps at left guard, it's probably you know,
for every fifty reps he has as a right guard
(28:54):
in his career, he's got no more than one, probably
more like one hundred to one, so that that can
be a challenge too, going over that left side.
Speaker 3 (29:01):
Oh, there's no question, and you know it kills me
when the well he's the right guard. Left guard is
a guard. No, you get used to playing on the
right side with your hand a certain way and footwork
a certain way. You have to move over the left side.
You can do it. You know, he's a big, strong
offensive lineman. But it is different and there are challenges
(29:21):
and it's just not automatic.
Speaker 2 (29:23):
All right, Well, coming up on the other side, we
got one last thing for a coach, and you heard
him earlier. I think he pretty much said he was
going to rip the heart out of NFL officials.
Speaker 5 (29:33):
So yeah, talk about a cliffhanger.
Speaker 2 (29:36):
We're going to get the actual result next sports something
like that, something similar to that.
Speaker 3 (29:42):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (29:42):
I might be embellishing a little bit here, coach, but anyway,
we're going to get to that next on KJAR.
Speaker 5 (29:52):
All right, final.
Speaker 2 (29:53):
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(30:13):
for one last thing, Bucky, what do you got for coach?
Speaker 4 (30:16):
Coach?
Speaker 7 (30:16):
Alan prest Are you with Aj Barner? A big game yesterday,
the biggest game of his career as a professional. I
mean it comes in a loss, but at the same
time finding his way open. He seems to be more
and more comfortable, and it's always a nice thing to
have as an outlet. There is a nice tight end
that you feel comfortable that they're going to catch it.
Speaker 3 (30:33):
Yeah, yeah, absolutely. You know they came into this season,
I think with a group of tight ends and someone
had they felt had to emerge, and he has done
that and I personally think that is a huge part
of your passing game. I've always said that sometimes you
don't sometimes you get a blocking tight end. But this guy,
I think can do it all. And let's take away
(30:56):
the touch push for a second. But I think is
a tight end that he's the real deal and he's
going to be good for a long time.
Speaker 5 (31:03):
Here what he got for coach?
Speaker 6 (31:05):
I would like to ask you, Mike. Of course we're
getting new information every week, but give us an update
about how you feel about the running backs for the Seahawks.
And if you're coaching this team, would you be using
using them the way you're what you're seeing or would
you be using them differently?
Speaker 4 (31:27):
And if so, how so.
Speaker 3 (31:28):
I would I'd be using Walker more. And that's that's
my takeaway from it. I think he's really good and
he you know, he's We've talked about this before on
the air. I think he's really good and he is good,
and but they've chosen I maybe it's a health thing,
maybe it's I don't know what what the rationale is.
I would ask Mike that if I saw him, you know,
(31:51):
but he Walker yesterday, you saw it on occasion, that
he can bust things right away. He can change the
game for you right away. And that's taking nothing away
from Charbonnay. I think he's good, but he's the second guy,
you know, and so I played the first guy more
and you.
Speaker 4 (32:08):
Know, Mike.
Speaker 6 (32:08):
Just to put that into context, I looked up your
your two thousand year Super Bowl year with us with
the Seahawks. Yeah, obviously, Sean Alexander three hundred and seventy
carries mo Morris, the number two guy, had seventy so
he had nineteen percent. Morris had nineteen percent of the
carries that Sean had, whereas Charbonney has seventy seven percent
(32:32):
of K nine. Now, I'm you know, say, well, there
are different players.
Speaker 5 (32:35):
Yeah, but that's a that's a big difference.
Speaker 3 (32:38):
Yeah, but I think, you know, Hugh, I think it's
you look at every team now is playing going with
two backs most teams, so that there's a difference there.
And I'm still kind of curious as to why. You know,
I think it's maybe I don't know, I don't have
an answer for that, but I play Walker Moore.
Speaker 2 (32:54):
I hope Sean Alexander still sends you Christmas cookies every
year for how many balls do you give it.
Speaker 3 (33:01):
He's got to take care of his family, you know,
he's got he's got twenty seven kids. Where you know.
Speaker 2 (33:06):
Something, all right, well, what is this bone you've got
to pick this week with NFL officials and keep in
mind Hughes in the room.
Speaker 3 (33:17):
Yeah, No, I know, I think they're great. I love
those guys. They never make mistakes. You know, I don't
know you misunderstood what I said. I think and explain
explain this to me. They have this new thing where
they check they they put that line for first downs.
They did it yesterday, you know, from the from the
(33:41):
technical stuff. But if the guy, if if the official
places the ball wrong and they say, oh no, we'll
check it with this line, what does that have to
do with the he placed it wrong, he missed it. Yeah,
I don't get that. Explain you would you explain that
to me?
Speaker 5 (34:01):
Listen?
Speaker 6 (34:01):
It all everything, all the answer to all your official
questions comes back to if they're full time officials and
they're doing virtual reality all day, their eyes are going
to be faster. It's like, like I honestly, I I
don't even understand. I think anybody who disagrees with that
statements should be institutionalized. It's it's so axiomatic that I like,
(34:28):
I share your exasperation, but I'm I'm perhaps more exasperated
because I feel like there's at least a solution that
should be tried.
Speaker 3 (34:36):
Yeah, you know, Chuck, I'm sorry I brought that up,
but you know I wanted to hear what you I
didn't know what you thought about this.
Speaker 6 (34:45):
All these years. Yeah, tired of beating I ran about it.
So Yeah, I needed another fresh ran. Yeah, you stop
beating around the bush. Finally tell us what you really feel. Hey,
I'm going to lose the last minute. I don't want
to end on a somber note. This is happening way
too frequently.
Speaker 2 (35:02):
But Hugh, I'm sure you got some great member memories
of Kenny Easley as a Seahawk fan here in town,
and we lost him over the weekend, and so I
didn't know if you wanted to share a thing or
two a memory about Kenny Easily before we came.
Speaker 6 (35:16):
I think he played in an era, Mike, you remember, Uh,
you know, it was just different then because they didn't
protect receivers, so it was kind of the the way
was like, hey, you're value to be a headhunter, and
if it's helmet to helmet contact and the guy gets
knocked out, so be it. It was just a different style.
Speaker 3 (35:37):
Uh.
Speaker 6 (35:37):
And and so he was a great athlete with a
headhunter mentality and uh, you know, just solid. I mean,
put it this way. Ronnie lott Mike, you know, he
said the one guy that he modeled his game after
was Kenny Easily And that should tell you everything, you know,
because Ronnie Lott is is generally regarded as the greatest
(35:58):
safety you ever played.
Speaker 3 (36:00):
Yeah, I think you know, the game has changed, and
he was very physical and so valuable to the Seahawks
in those days. So anytime I reach something like that
from a young man younger than me, certainly that has
passed on, you know, there's a certain sadness. But he'll
be remembered as one of the great ones all time.
Speaker 4 (36:21):
Absolutely.
Speaker 2 (36:22):
Thank you, gentlemen. You're both two of the great ones.
We appreciate it and we will talk to you again soon.
Speaker 3 (36:28):
Thanks chun.
Speaker 5 (36:29):
All right, Okay, Monday.
Speaker 2 (36:29):
Morning Quarterback comes to a close here on another Monday. Unfortunately,
we had a loss to talk about, but a lot
of great analysis there from Greg from coach and from Hugh.
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Now the Monday Morning Quarterback with Mike hom Grin and
Hugh Millin. Here's Chuck and Buck.
Speaker 2 (00:52):
Hi ask good morning, nine o'clock hour here on this
some Monday. It is the whole crew, Ashley, Bucky, Chuck
with you, and of course analysts. Hugh Millan, who's been
with us since eight o'clock and now joining the conversation
is a former Seahawk head coach Mike Holmgren is with
us right here on the radio program.
Speaker 3 (01:09):
Good morning, coach, Good morning guys, Good morning.
Speaker 2 (01:13):
Great to have you with us. We appreciate it. You know,
it was nice Adian studio last week. I don't know
what Bucky said to you to offend you.
Speaker 4 (01:21):
I we'll come back this week.
Speaker 3 (01:23):
Well, no, it wasn't Bucky's fault.
Speaker 4 (01:26):
We'll blame him, okay, all right.
Speaker 5 (01:30):
Well, great to have you with us.
Speaker 2 (01:31):
Unfortunately, we're talking about a twenty one nineteen loss and
a lot's being made, and obviously so about Sam Donald's
for interception Day. What was your read on Sam Donald's
performance Sunday.
Speaker 3 (01:47):
Well, it's probably like everyone else's. It was you can't
win games like that typically. Now they almost won it anyway,
But you know, I said last week, I thought the
play of the two quarterbacks would determine the outcome of
the game, and I think they did. But the Seahawks
did a lot of things and I could almost win
(02:08):
the game. But Sam, you know, you can't throw four
interceptions and he knows that better than anybody. And I
don't think you're going to see it again. But that
was the game yesterday.
Speaker 6 (02:20):
Well, let's talk about Mike the the way you coach
a quarterback when he's kind of in the midst of
something like that. And to the extent of it, is
it strictly you're just saying, Hey, x's and o's, these
are the reads. You know, the sun comes up, the
rooster crows, you eat breakfast, like this is the sequence?
(02:42):
Are you doing it? Are you doing it that way?
Or to what extent do you ever think about maybe
I don't say fragility, but you know the mindset where
like whoa, how's this guy's confidence, how's the confidence the
team has in him? Like, you know, is it kind
of just a cowboy up? This a man's game. Uh,
we don't think about that kind of stuff or or
(03:04):
or to what extent do you pay attention to maybe
thinking about how how is this guy's emotional state?
Speaker 3 (03:13):
Yeah? I think in dealing with Sam, I of course
you you know this, and uh, you know I was.
I was a little more emotional with the quarterbacks on
the sideline than a lot of guys. But they knew
where I was coming from because, uh, you know, I
coached them during the week and you know, he would
I would talk to him and I'd probably get after
(03:35):
him a little bit for his decision making. You got
to clean it up. We'll keep going. You know, I
believe in you. You know, you never leave it, leave
it go with a negative, you know, but he has
to know. You know you're better than this. Come on,
you know, make let's make decisions. I think my takeaway
from the decisions he was making was he was trying
(03:56):
to do too much. And and I think when you
watch him play on occasion when he has interceptions or
just throws to you, don't don't make you don't have
to do that. Don't do that. We'll live for another day.
And I think his interceptions yesterday, he tried to do
too much and that, you know what, I applaud that
(04:17):
in a player wanting to get it done. But then
as a quarterback, that's where the judgment comes in. And
not every quarterback has that great judgment, but I think
he does. You just got to keep keep coaching that.
Speaker 4 (04:32):
Yep, just a bad day, I suppose.
Speaker 7 (04:35):
I mean, coach, how do you walk that tight rope
over getting on him a little bit and letting him
know that decision making is not going to cut it'll
that puts us behind the eight ball and yet you're
also not wanting to clip their wings to some extent
when it comes to you know, you're still wanting them
to try to fit it in the tight windows that
the NFL presents.
Speaker 2 (04:55):
Well, why would you ask coach Homer and he would
have no idea. It's not like you ever coached some
gunslinger that he had sometimes like yeah this, yeah exactly.
I mean you're like practically speaking Latin to him, right, yeah, right,
you could do something out, you.
Speaker 3 (05:12):
Know, Bucky Way. I appreciate the question, Buck, Yeah, I
really do. Yeah, No, I I think in NFL films
have caught me on occasion. You may have seen it
on TV where I'm getting after forever. Uh, it's you know,
there is a thin line there though, and you have
to the quarterback has to understand you and and you
(05:32):
have to develop that relationship with with your player so
he knows that, you know, Okay, I'm gonna get ripped
a little bit here, but I know what he's doing
and dog gone, I'm not going to do it anymore.
You know, I told you the story about the time
with Hassleback and he kind of came after me after
I rated him and I sent him down you're not
(05:52):
you're out, You're in, You're out. Seneca get in. And
then Matt came up to me about ten minutes later
and can I talk to you? I said what, and
he goes, I'm sorry, you know what I mean? Then
we I put him back in the game. But I think,
look at I think Bill Walsh. I learned a valuable
lesson from him as well. He was on the phones
(06:14):
with me. Montana's playing and he's something bad happens and
Bill is going nuts on the phone with me, just
absolutely nuts. Joe comes walking over and I'm going, I'm
not playing talk to him and Bill goes, how's it
going out there? I go, what? What did he just say?
(06:35):
You know, so there isn't inline And you know this
better than anybody, but a quarterback he gets paid a
lot of money. He's got to be able to handle it.
He has to be able to handle it. And I
think if you don't do that at times, you're making
a mistake.
Speaker 6 (06:50):
Well, I know it better than anybody because I had
a lot of those games, so I had to figure.
Speaker 4 (06:55):
Out how to make that work.
Speaker 6 (06:56):
But you know what, say we talked about Brian Daved
a couple of weeks ago. There's a very important distinction.
Speaker 3 (07:05):
You know.
Speaker 6 (07:05):
You you would get mad, and you can get mad
at me. Fine, that's fine, because like you're treating me
man man, I deserve it. I've made a bad mistake.
But you never I never saw you get disgusted and
like take your clipboard and fling it like a frisbee
right in front of a guy in disgust.
Speaker 4 (07:27):
I don't know.
Speaker 6 (07:28):
To me, that might seem like a subtle distinction. I
think that's a world of distinction, you know. So I
don't know if that was something that you cognizantly thought of.
Speaker 5 (07:36):
Probably not.
Speaker 6 (07:37):
It was just not in your nature to be, you know,
in that way, to just you know, be in disgust
of somebody angry, yes, disgust.
Speaker 1 (07:46):
No.
Speaker 3 (07:48):
Well, you know, I think it's important because I always
preached mutual respect, and because I'm angry at a player
or and didn't have to be a quarter of it
could be in a receiver, it could be anybody. The
the idea of showing that anger in front of the
TV audience and and everybody in that stadium, that's that's
(08:09):
a huge mistake. Then you're then you're you're really showing
the world what you're doing with that young man, and
you can't do that. You cannot do that, in my opinion,
you know you can. You've got to hold that stuff
in and then deal with it later on or in
a different way. So I think when in Brian Brian
(08:31):
Dables case, and he and he did that when I
was he had I had him in Cleveland and I
had to talk to him a couple of times about it.
But that's the personality every head coach in this league.
You you know that the different personalities, they treat things differently.
But as the headman, you cannot humiliate your players that way.
Speaker 2 (08:53):
That's a no, no, one more question about donald, at
least for my part before we move on. There are
other things certain to discuss. But you're not, I mean,
you're Mike McDonald. You're not waking up this morning with
your confidence shaken at all in Sam darnoald, are you.
I mean, yes, he had a bad game, and he
made a lot of mistakes, and that was a game
we really wanted to win. Division rival more important than
(09:16):
just your average regular season game. But Mike McDonald's not
waking up this morning scratching his head wondering if They've
got the right guy.
Speaker 3 (09:24):
Is he No, he is not. He is not. And
you know you got you mentioned Brett earlier. There were
times that I'd wake up on money and go, duh, yo, man,
how I'm going to do this? But he's my quarterback
and I'm believe in him, and I got it's my job.
It's my job to make him better. I know, I
(09:45):
know he's got the skill and I've seen it. Now
let's work on the things that we can correct. No,
and so No, you're right, Chuck, he's he's he's their quarterback,
and so how do you deal with it? How do
you fix it?
Speaker 6 (10:00):
Yeah, Mike, when you look at kind of where they
are the last six Super Bowl winners after ten games,
one of them was at six and four, one of
them was eight and two, and the other four of
them were at seven and three. So the Seahawks today
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are in the same or better spot than five of
the last six Super Bowl winners. Like they're gonna get
their chances at the Rams, the forty nine ers, they
got everything in front of them. And so I think
from that standpoint, you know, you just say I would
almost look and say this team, the Seahawks everybody's saying,
(10:45):
are they like the twenty twelve or the twenty thirteen Seahawks.
Speaker 5 (10:49):
Maybe they're not.
Speaker 6 (10:50):
Quite good enough. Maybe they're a year away from being
that dominant team that just has to be like in
a cycling you know, the one that has to face
the head wind. Maybe it's a little better to draft
off it. Nobody's going to be saying Seattle's number one
in the power rankings this week. You know, let them
just kind of be the hunter, not the hunted. And
(11:10):
they're still in a great place for this season. And
maybe they're not just quite good enough to be, you know,
front runners like that. That doesn't mean they're not good
enough to win a Super Bowl.
Speaker 3 (11:22):
Yeah, I think you make a good point view because
it's a long season and they've got got a lot
of games to play, excuse me. And there they are
in a good position. And if you look at the schedule,
you know, I can do that now. I didn't do
it so much when I was coaching, but I kind
of I'm chalking up some wins right now. The way
they're playing and the way they're defense is the way
(11:43):
they're playing. You know, take away the four interceptions yesterday,
the way they've been playing on defense and offense, and
so no, and I think there's going to be a
handful of teams, looking how teams are playing this year
in the league, that are in the same position that
we'll have a shot right at the end for the
playoffs certainly and then maybe get into the Super Bowl.
(12:06):
I do I don't really at this point see any
totally dominating teams. They're good teams. There's a handful of
probably that are at the top. But the dominant team
the team that you go, well, okay, they're in I
don't see that right now. And I see the Seahawks
is getting into the playoffs, and then we'll see what
(12:26):
happens here. What that's how I believe the team's gonna play.
Speaker 2 (12:29):
Yeah, he wats your thirty thousand foot view after a
loss like that yesterday of this team?
Speaker 6 (12:34):
Yeah, well, I think if I was a captain, i'd
be I'd be saying just that, like, hey, we're okay,
we're great. We just take care of business, you know,
a week by week we're gonna have plenty of opportunities
to to you know, just catch the teams in front
of us. Heck, we're number one and a week ago
or you know, two days ago, the Seahawks were the
(12:55):
number one team in the NFC. Well now they're they
dropped a far, but you know what, and then another
weekend you can move right back up to number one.
So that that's that's kind of my thought is that
that if they get things corrected, all all all that
happened yesterday, Mike is the Rams held up a mirror
and showed them who they are. And there's things that
(13:16):
they'll like about themselves, and there's things that they'll say,
we need to correct that. And if they handle it
the right way like pros and they do it that way.
I mean I saw that defense with that those goal
line stands. That sure look like a united freaking invigorated
team that's ready to battle anybody in any way, on
any you know, h on any surface, in any time
(13:39):
of the day, you know, And so I think they
have the makings. They just the quarterbacks got to stop
throwing picks and then they're fine.
Speaker 3 (13:46):
Yeah, I know absolutely. When you look at the numbers,
excuse me, in the game, Uh, it's startling really when
you compare you know, first allens, in time of possession,
all that stuff. You look at that, and if you
didn't know the score of the game, you'd say which
were these two teams won? And ninety eight percent of
the people would say the Seattle one. But they didn't
(14:07):
because of the interceptions one. And there are a couple
other things. You know, they settled, had to settle for
field goals instead of touchdowns, and you know, but they
could go away saying, look at we wont let this
one slip away because of this next time, we won't
let it slip away.
Speaker 4 (14:28):
Yeah.
Speaker 7 (14:28):
Well, I mean you just kind of touched on something
that I wanted to get your take on when it
comes to, you know, the settling for field goals, I mean,
down in the red zone, you know, some credit where
credit is due when it comes to the Rams. They
have one of the better red zone defenses in the NFL.
Speaker 4 (14:43):
And so, okay, we'll tip our cap a little bit.
Speaker 7 (14:46):
But I am wondering my mind is starting to be
changed to some degree about being a little bit more
aggressive on fourth downs. I mean, some of the points
that the Rams put up were on fourth down were
because they went for it on fourth down because they
were down and you know, tight down by the goal line.
I mean, is there any part of you that maybe
thought as much as you were conservative when you coach
(15:08):
that with these new kickoff rules that I mean basically,
there's times when you're getting the ball out near the
forty yard line and you're just a first down or
two away from having three points. And sure, if it's
fourth and nine and you got a fifty five yard field,
go take the three points there. But if you're down
closer to maybe thinking go for that extra four points
instead of just settling for three, because it does feel like,
(15:30):
even though you're getting three points, you're kind of letting
the other team off the hook.
Speaker 3 (15:33):
Nowadays, Yeah, I think those are the decisions, tough decisions
in this day and age in the NFL because of
the point you made, Buck you you know, Yeah, they
started to drive on the forty without doing anything, without
doing a thing. They start to drive on the forty.
You get two first downs, you're gonna get three points.
So how do you play this? How do you make
(15:53):
the decisions those are? That's the difference in the game
right now than it was maybe fifteen years ago, you know,
And so you have to decide as a team if
you're going to be aggressive. You know, they yesterday Detroit
and Dan Campbell, their coach has a reputation he's really aggressive,
really aggressive on fourth down. But it comes every game.
(16:16):
You have to in your mind, and that's the tough
part of being a head coach. You got to make
that decision, you know, and and if it works, you're
really smart. If it doesn't work, why did you do that?
You know? So that's a little bit of the crap
shoot in today's game.
Speaker 2 (16:34):
How big of a factor was it that that punt
jumped out at the one yard line? Are we talking
about a Seahawk win If you don't have to start
your play calling by getting your back up off of
the end zone.
Speaker 3 (16:44):
I think they had a great chance to win if
that didn't happen. In fact, I can't remember the last
time I saw it pun like that. Yeah, that the
way it bounced, the way it got, you know, the
way they downed it. It was beautiful and help the
Rams win the game, you know. But there are a
lot of parts in this game. It was so close.
(17:06):
The game was so close. I can and later on
and maybe the next segment or one last thing. I
have a little thing about the officials. I don't want
to fire you up right now, but I have a
little thing about the officials later on, are you yeah?
Speaker 2 (17:22):
Well, well hoping Mike, all right, yeah.
Speaker 3 (17:26):
Juck, you're in charge. We don't have to go there.
I'll keep it to myself if you want to work
that way.
Speaker 2 (17:31):
Yeah, okay, well I kind of want to know now,
but all right, we'll keep a cliffhanger here for the
rest of the hour.
Speaker 5 (17:38):
We obviously got a lot of other ground to cover.
Speaker 2 (17:41):
I want to talk about Mike McDonald's defense against Matt
Stafford with coach here this morning, and who knows what
else that we'll dabble into with the Mike Holmrin and
Hugh millon Monday morning. Quarterback rolls on on Chuck and
Buck Sports Radio ninety three point three KJRFM.
Speaker 1 (17:59):
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Speaker 3 (18:09):
MM.
Speaker 2 (18:10):
Obviously, we're disappointed, but it's very clear to me that
we have a great.
Speaker 4 (18:13):
Team and.
Speaker 6 (18:16):
We're gonna learn to win games like that, and we're
gonna learn from you know, weeks like this and all that.
Speaker 5 (18:20):
I mean again, we're really we're young.
Speaker 7 (18:22):
You know, you got you know, you got a young.
Speaker 6 (18:24):
Head coach or whatever like that, and learning how to
how to prepare our teams from week to week. You know,
So we're all learning, we're all learning, we're all growing.
I actually think it's like a competitive advantage for us
as we start to grows.
Speaker 4 (18:37):
We are willing to grow and involved.
Speaker 5 (18:41):
We're doing to go job, Mike, give it up, Mike.
I'm with you, Mike, great job, coach, your job, Cook,
keep it up. Hang in there, Buck, you're my boy, book, uh,
Chuck Buck Ashley with you, of course.
Speaker 2 (18:54):
So we've got our experts on hand here on a
Monday morning. We've got Mike Homer, We've got Hugh Millen
with us as we act to a twenty one to
nineteen loss to the Los Angeles Rams. But along those
lines of believing in Mike McDonald coach, man, I just
thought I saw Matt Stafford look confused this season for
(19:15):
the first time in any game, and I think Mike
McDonald deserves a lot of credit for that. They had
one yard in the second quarter of the Rams. He
had one hundred and thirty passing yards for the games,
and he didn't make the same mistakes that Sam Donald
made in giving the ball up, which credit to him.
But I thought I saw a defensive coach that the
(19:36):
Seahawks had just sort of outthinking Matt Stafford yesterday.
Speaker 4 (19:40):
What did you see?
Speaker 3 (19:41):
That's exactly what I saw, Chuck. I mean, because Matt
Stafford's really a good player. I mean, he's played a
long time. You can't fool him too much. But the
defense give them credit, and as a result, you give
your head coach. Was the defensive guy credit that he
made life mis and the Rams have a good offensive team,
(20:03):
And no, that's exactly what happened. So if you want
to take something away from the game in a very
positive way, that's one of the things. Because if he
can do that to Matt Stafford, their defense can do
that to most quarterbacks in the league. And then you
have to eliminate you have to eliminate the mistakes you made.
Speaker 6 (20:25):
Sorry, Mike, were you more impressed by how they defended
Stafford on his own side line of scrimmage, meaning how
they they rushed him, how they blitzed him, stunded him,
or did you find yourself more impressed with the coverags
on the Seahawks side the line of scrimmage?
Speaker 3 (20:43):
Well? I think both things. I think that the defense
you play the Seahawks, you're going to the quarterback is
going to have pressure. So you have to be able
to know, even against a great offense line, you're going
to be able that they have shown the ability through
different ways to get to the quarterback. So then you
have to have the quarterback prepared to throw the ball
correctly and to maybe drop it off get him out
(21:05):
of his you know, his spot there. But you saw
what you saw yesterday. What I saw was that he's
a really good passer, but there were two or three,
maybe four or five throws where he just missed the throw.
He was short, it was wide. You know, it wasn't
a good throw. And he's a good quarterback. So how
(21:27):
does that happen. It's a combination of the pass rush
and their secondary is good, and they're doing all this
without love you know who, and which I think when
I think he's one of their best players. So give
them credit. They did a great job that way, really
good enough to win that football game.
Speaker 6 (21:46):
I talk you know, Mike, I think we can all
remember that deep in route, that dagger that the DeVante
Adams he tried to reach back behind him and he
dropped it, and the telecast really showed, you know, DeVante
Adams was really disappointed in himself.
Speaker 4 (22:04):
Guys.
Speaker 6 (22:05):
I tell you, when you when you watch the inzin
copy of that coach's tape, if you look at how
Matthew Stafford Mike is standing, how he threw that. He
threw that ball thirty one yards in the air, and
he was just standing and with Leonard Williams just absolutely
cave in his chest in He just kind of flicked
(22:28):
it without any rotation in his body, without his shoulder
coming through. It was just like an arm like he
was tossing a I don't know, skipping rocks at a
lake or something. And and yet the ball just jumped
thirty yards down the field, almost perfectly accurate. It would
it would have been better to be a little bit
in front, but but that guy's arm talent is just insane.
Speaker 3 (22:49):
Oh no, he's he's really special and he's been special
a long time. You know, the stat always comes up
his all time records one fifteen wins, one fifteen losses,
and he a, what's that is not very good? But
you know, think of the teams he's been with and
all that kind of stuff. But here's another thing about
the secondary. You mentioned their secondary, our secondary, Demante Adams.
(23:12):
I think he caught one ball yesterday, yep, I think,
and that was the touchdown. And he's really he's really
a special player, has been for a long time. So
if that happens in a game, you know, you know
they're doing some great things in the secondary.
Speaker 4 (23:28):
Yeah.
Speaker 7 (23:29):
Well, I mean we've given a lot of flowers to
the team that ended up losing, and understandably so I
don't think the sky is falling after the way they played.
I would want to ask coach the idea of I mean,
Kyrien Williams.
Speaker 4 (23:41):
They didn't really slow him down.
Speaker 7 (23:43):
I mean, he only carried the ball twelve times, but
he averaged seven point six yards of carry. Even some
of that skewed because of that one big long run
that he had, but he was fairly effective. Was there
things you didn't like about the stopping of the run game?
Because you know, at the end of the of the
game the press conference, Ernest Jones said, hey, you know,
this ain't all on the quarterback as much as a
(24:03):
lot of it is. A lion's share of it's on
those four interceptions. But he said, you know, we could
have made some more defensive plays. We could have made
some and that would be one of the only areas
I could think that maybe defensively they weren't really on
top of it.
Speaker 3 (24:17):
Yeah, you know what, I applauded his comments about that.
I read what he said in the paper today too,
you know, and that shows yes to your point, Buck,
I think they could have done a better job. I
was surprised, honestly the Rams didn't do that more. That
guy's a good running back, and to try and do
that more maybe take some of the pressure off Stafford.
(24:39):
But yeah, I think that I think that's that's part
of the defense there that they're going to have to
against the team they chooses to run the ball and
run the ball well, that they're going to have to solidify.
But you know, in the second quarter, as an example,
I think Chuck you alluded to it a little bit.
(24:59):
They had the Rams had one yard and the Seahawks
had one hundred and twenty seven in the second old quarter,
you know, so it was a different The Rams didn't
they didn't have the number of plays, They couldn't really
get going on offense the way they typically want to.
And so yeah, there's there's very little, very little to
(25:21):
poke holes in the Seahawks defense, I think. But if
you're going to be sticky, that's one area that maybe
they can show up just a little bit.
Speaker 6 (25:29):
Yeah, but you know, well, we're talking about Kyen Williams,
the Rams leading running back. In the first quarter, he
had six attempts for seventy six yards, so he's he's
at twelve point seven average. And we talked about how
Ernest Jones had been out of gaps and Kobe Bryant
had mistackles on two of those long runs. But how
(25:50):
about this, No, he had They had no carries in
the second quarter, like Mike what you're saying about the
time of possession, and then for the third and fourth
quarter he had six carries and he had fifteen yards.
So they just you know, this is a constant theme
(26:11):
with Mike McDonald that you'll see him give up a
long drive to start the game and then they just
button it up. Yep, and no more indicated than yesterday.
Speaker 5 (26:24):
Mike Homngri and Hugh Millan with us here on Monday morning.
Speaker 2 (26:26):
Quarterback. Yeah, no doubt about it. I do want to
ask both of you this question. Gray's abel went down
late in this game. He's been terrific in his rookie season.
I think I would give the loss away if I
found out today that Gray's Abel was okay and ready
to go the rest of the year. But it might
not be the case. So I'll start with you, Coach,
(26:47):
and then go to you, Hugh, just the how big
of a loss that could potentially be for a team
that finally spent a first round pick on an offensive
lineman and that guy was just performing so well, Yeah,
he really was.
Speaker 3 (27:01):
And and if I don't know if you guys have
heard anything or we know anything about the injury, but
if it keeps him out for any length of time,
that's a big hit because that he is. You get
an offensive lineman, and their offensive line is stuck together
all season so far. You start losing some people like
(27:21):
their center, like like Zabel, you know, then all of
a sudden it changes you. You know, it's not the
next it's the next guy up. You want to say that,
but it changes. And so I'm hopeful, hoping for the
best for this young man. Have you guys heard anything
about it yet?
Speaker 2 (27:40):
Just what Greg told us earlier that it doesn't look good,
but they didn't. They didn't speculate afterwards. It just was
I don't know if there was a real positive feeling
afterwards that he's fine.
Speaker 3 (27:55):
Well if if they that'll be a big hit. Well,
and Mike has shown the team has shown real resilience
in handling injury situations. But it's still a big hit
when you lose a lignment like that.
Speaker 6 (28:09):
Yeah, yeah, And I think it's compounded that you had
this situation. You know, Sundel and Zabel had played together
as we all know, at North Dakota State, and so
they had this kind of you know, telepathy with each
other and they're both high IQ guys. Now with the center,
we don't know when Sundell's coming back, but Alua, Timmy,
(28:31):
and then the other part of it is Christian Haynes.
He's been a right guard almost exclusively as a Sea
Hawk when when he was at Yukon he was right
guard for four years. So now Mike, he's going to
left guard. His reps at left guard, it's probably you know,
for every fifty reps he has as a right guard
(28:54):
in his career, he's got no more than one, probably
more like one hundred to one, so that that can
be a challenge too, going over that left side.
Speaker 3 (29:01):
Oh, there's no question, and you know it kills me
when the well he's the right guard. Left guard is
a guard. No, you get used to playing on the
right side with your hand a certain way and footwork
a certain way. You have to move over the left side.
You can do it. You know, he's a big, strong
offensive lineman. But it is different and there are challenges
(29:21):
and it's just not automatic.
Speaker 2 (29:23):
All right, Well, coming up on the other side, we
got one last thing for a coach, and you heard
him earlier. I think he pretty much said he was
going to rip the heart out of NFL officials.
Speaker 5 (29:33):
So yeah, talk about a cliffhanger.
Speaker 2 (29:36):
We're going to get the actual result next sports something
like that, something similar to that.
Speaker 3 (29:42):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (29:42):
I might be embellishing a little bit here, coach, but anyway,
we're going to get to that next on KJAR.
Speaker 5 (29:52):
All right, final.
Speaker 2 (29:53):
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(30:13):
for one last thing, Bucky, what do you got for coach?
Speaker 4 (30:16):
Coach?
Speaker 7 (30:16):
Alan prest Are you with Aj Barner? A big game yesterday,
the biggest game of his career as a professional. I
mean it comes in a loss, but at the same
time finding his way open. He seems to be more
and more comfortable, and it's always a nice thing to
have as an outlet. There is a nice tight end
that you feel comfortable that they're going to catch it.
Speaker 3 (30:33):
Yeah, yeah, absolutely. You know they came into this season,
I think with a group of tight ends and someone
had they felt had to emerge, and he has done
that and I personally think that is a huge part
of your passing game. I've always said that sometimes you
don't sometimes you get a blocking tight end. But this guy,
I think can do it all. And let's take away
(30:56):
the touch push for a second. But I think is
a tight end that he's the real deal and he's
going to be good for a long time.
Speaker 5 (31:03):
Here what he got for coach?
Speaker 6 (31:05):
I would like to ask you, Mike. Of course we're
getting new information every week, but give us an update
about how you feel about the running backs for the Seahawks.
And if you're coaching this team, would you be using
using them the way you're what you're seeing or would
you be using them differently?
Speaker 4 (31:27):
And if so, how so.
Speaker 3 (31:28):
I would I'd be using Walker more. And that's that's
my takeaway from it. I think he's really good and
he you know, he's We've talked about this before on
the air. I think he's really good and he is good,
and but they've chosen I maybe it's a health thing,
maybe it's I don't know what what the rationale is.
I would ask Mike that if I saw him, you know,
(31:51):
but he Walker yesterday, you saw it on occasion, that
he can bust things right away. He can change the
game for you right away. And that's taking nothing away
from Charbonnay. I think he's good, but he's the second guy,
you know, and so I played the first guy more
and you.
Speaker 4 (32:08):
Know, Mike.
Speaker 6 (32:08):
Just to put that into context, I looked up your
your two thousand year Super Bowl year with us with
the Seahawks. Yeah, obviously, Sean Alexander three hundred and seventy
carries mo Morris, the number two guy, had seventy so
he had nineteen percent. Morris had nineteen percent of the
carries that Sean had, whereas Charbonney has seventy seven percent
(32:32):
of K nine. Now, I'm you know, say, well, there
are different players.
Speaker 5 (32:35):
Yeah, but that's a that's a big difference.
Speaker 3 (32:38):
Yeah, but I think, you know, Hugh, I think it's
you look at every team now is playing going with
two backs most teams, so that there's a difference there.
And I'm still kind of curious as to why. You know,
I think it's maybe I don't know, I don't have
an answer for that, but I play Walker Moore.
Speaker 2 (32:54):
I hope Sean Alexander still sends you Christmas cookies every
year for how many balls do you give it.
Speaker 3 (33:01):
He's got to take care of his family, you know,
he's got he's got twenty seven kids. Where you know.
Speaker 2 (33:06):
Something, all right, well, what is this bone you've got
to pick this week with NFL officials and keep in
mind Hughes in the room.
Speaker 3 (33:17):
Yeah, No, I know, I think they're great. I love
those guys. They never make mistakes. You know, I don't
know you misunderstood what I said. I think and explain
explain this to me. They have this new thing where
they check they they put that line for first downs.
They did it yesterday, you know, from the from the
(33:41):
technical stuff. But if the guy, if if the official
places the ball wrong and they say, oh no, we'll
check it with this line, what does that have to
do with the he placed it wrong, he missed it. Yeah,
I don't get that. Explain you would you explain that
to me?
Speaker 5 (34:01):
Listen?
Speaker 6 (34:01):
It all everything, all the answer to all your official
questions comes back to if they're full time officials and
they're doing virtual reality all day, their eyes are going
to be faster. It's like, like I honestly, I I
don't even understand. I think anybody who disagrees with that
statements should be institutionalized. It's it's so axiomatic that I like,
(34:28):
I share your exasperation, but I'm I'm perhaps more exasperated
because I feel like there's at least a solution that
should be tried.
Speaker 3 (34:36):
Yeah, you know, Chuck, I'm sorry I brought that up,
but you know I wanted to hear what you I
didn't know what you thought about this.
Speaker 6 (34:45):
All these years. Yeah, tired of beating I ran about it.
So Yeah, I needed another fresh ran. Yeah, you stop
beating around the bush. Finally tell us what you really feel. Hey,
I'm going to lose the last minute. I don't want
to end on a somber note. This is happening way
too frequently.
Speaker 2 (35:02):
But Hugh, I'm sure you got some great member memories
of Kenny Easley as a Seahawk fan here in town,
and we lost him over the weekend, and so I
didn't know if you wanted to share a thing or
two a memory about Kenny Easily before we came.
Speaker 6 (35:16):
I think he played in an era, Mike, you remember, Uh,
you know, it was just different then because they didn't
protect receivers, so it was kind of the the way
was like, hey, you're value to be a headhunter, and
if it's helmet to helmet contact and the guy gets
knocked out, so be it. It was just a different style.
Speaker 3 (35:37):
Uh.
Speaker 6 (35:37):
And and so he was a great athlete with a
headhunter mentality and uh, you know, just solid. I mean,
put it this way. Ronnie lott Mike, you know, he
said the one guy that he modeled his game after
was Kenny Easily And that should tell you everything, you know,
because Ronnie Lott is is generally regarded as the greatest
(35:58):
safety you ever played.
Speaker 3 (36:00):
Yeah, I think you know, the game has changed, and
he was very physical and so valuable to the Seahawks
in those days. So anytime I reach something like that
from a young man younger than me, certainly that has
passed on, you know, there's a certain sadness. But he'll
be remembered as one of the great ones all time.
Speaker 4 (36:21):
Absolutely.
Speaker 2 (36:22):
Thank you, gentlemen. You're both two of the great ones.
We appreciate it and we will talk to you again soon.
Speaker 3 (36:28):
Thanks chun.
Speaker 5 (36:29):
All right, Okay, Monday.
Speaker 2 (36:29):
Morning Quarterback comes to a close here on another Monday. Unfortunately,
we had a loss to talk about, but a lot
of great analysis there from Greg from coach and from Hugh.
All right, we'll be back tomorrow at six a m.
Coming up next, it's Mark James and Christopher Kidd. Keep
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