April 22, 2024 • 35 mins
Hour 3 of A&G features...
- Ukraine gains more US financial support...
- More questions arise regarding Jack's lack of love for grilling...
- CNN's on-the-spot reporting of the man on fire outside the Trump courthouse...
- Who's to blame for smart phones in school classroom!
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
From the Abraham Lincoln Radio Studio at the George Washington
Broadcast Center, Jack Armstrong and Joe Getty Armstrong and Getty Show.
Speaker 2 (00:14):
Will they get those long range artillery? Yes, not just
ammunition the attackers.
Speaker 3 (00:20):
I believe the administration was prepared over the last couple
of months can prepare to provide attackings.
Speaker 2 (00:26):
It is written into this legislation. Legislation we're talking about.
It passed over the weekend. This is a really big
deal of several different bills passing individually aid for Ukraine,
but this whole thing totals ninety five billion dollars in
foreign aid for the end of Pacific Israel and Ukraine.
And that's and then also a vote on TikTok, which
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we will separate out sixty one billion dollars in Ukraine
aid about ten billion dollars which is in the form
of a loan for a variety of reasons. The voting
was interesting. It was I don't know what I think
of democracy at this point as a workable idea for government,
because it has been true for many, many months that
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if you could have gotten this to a vote on
the House floor, it was going to overwhelmingly pass and
I don't even mean, like, you know, it's got a
good solid fifteen twenty votes to pass. It passed three
hundred and eleven to one hundred and twelve. It had
almost two hundred more votes saying yes than no, and
it always did in the polling. Just for a variety
(01:32):
of political reasons, we couldn't get it out there, and it,
you know, it reminds me of the old Churchill quote
of the United States will exhaust every bad thing before
they getting around to doing the good thing, which we
did in World War Two, and we've done a number
of times throughout. But the vote was three hundred and
eleven to one to twelve in favor of ad to Ukraine,
with a majority of the Republicans one hundred and twelve
voting against it. The Republican vote was one twelve to
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one hundred majority voted against it. Now, I don't know
if all all of them felt that way, or there's
just a whole bunch of them that here's what I'm
assuming and hoping that there's a whole bunch of them thinking, yeah,
we need to aid Ukraine. But I live in a
district where this wouldn't be good for me. It's going
to pass easily, and so I'm voting no.
Speaker 4 (02:13):
Yeah, that's a substantial chunk. I hope silligans. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (02:17):
On the aid to Israel, it was even less close.
It was approved three sixty six to fifty eight. The
Taiwan Aid three eighty five to thirty four. So none
of these were even close. And then the TikTok requiring
the sale of TikTok by its Chinese owner by next year.
I guess they got a year three hundred and sixty
to fifty eight. I mean, these are overwhelming wins for
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all of these bills, and it was considered such a
risk for Mike Johnson to put it out there and
Willie loses speakership and all this. As we played you
last week, he had decided that I don't care whether
or not I lose my speakership. This is the right
thing to do. Have Michael McCall, who's a report looking
out of Texas. He's the chairman of the Foreign Affairs
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Committee and a grown up who said on Saturday, our
adversaries are working together to undermine our Western values and
demean our democracy. We cannot be afraid at this moment.
We have to do what's right, evil is on the March.
History is calling and now is the time to act.
History will judge us by our actions here today as
we deliberate on this vote. You have to ask yourself
of my Chamberlain or Churchill. I believe it was and
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is actually that level of moment between China, Russia and
Iran on the March, and were either going to stand
up to it or we aren't, And luckily enough people
did that it passed overwhelmingly.
Speaker 4 (03:42):
Yeah, I would agree with all of that. I don't
really I am not in the mood to relitigate the Ukraine's
thing between the false comparisons between we're concern about their
border but not our own border. Well how about we
be concerned about both them. You don't fix the one
by neglecting the other. And the bizarro pro putin flank
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of the right which troubles me a great deal. Yeah,
it's remarkable again the politics of it, that all of
those laws are, by anybody's standard, going by the votes,
utterly uncontroversial. There they're one foot pots, they're chip shots,
as they say, they're easy. The fact that and I
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think this is a good thing, well, it has the
potential to be a good thing. You never know that
the era of I will not pass anything unless my
side passes it. I will not seek accommodation across the aisle.
I will not seek middle ground. We will not build
a coalition of Democrats and Republicans. Only stuff that my
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side can pass on their own will come to the floor.
As an idiotic way to try to run a public
it's utterly unworkable, and it's based on the loudest voices
on the fringes having the biggest say. So I'm glad
to see it. I think Mike Johnson is a really
interesting guy. I think someday he could be hailed as
some sort of, if not a hero, the guy who
(05:17):
ushered in a better new era. But again, I'm not
some dewey eyed college student. If there's a chance for
things to get screwed up, they probably will be.
Speaker 2 (05:25):
I hope this is ushered in a new era where
the bulk of normal people can vote together on variety
of things and not be controlled by Well, let me
read you a little of this from the dispatches reporting today.
The one hundred and eighteenth Congress is no stranger to chaos.
But the gloves were truly off this weekend, and they
quote this GOP representative Tony Gonzales of Texas. I served
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twenty years in the military. It's my absolute honor to
be in Congress. But I serve with some real scumbags,
he said, taking specific aim at fellow Republicans Matt and
Gates and Bob Good, who I don't know. I serve
some real scumbags. That's a pretty clear cut talk right there.
Matt Gates is a bully, Representative Derek Van Ordon Wisconsin
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said Saturday, Texas chip Roy is a bully. He said,
Bob Good's a bully, and the only way to stop
a bully is to push back hard. The three lawmakers
referenced by Van ordener among a group of hardline Republicans
opposed to the trio of four and eight bills passed
over the weekend.
Speaker 4 (06:24):
You know, I hate to hear chip Roy grouped with
Matt Gates because I think Matt Gates is a con man,
and I wouldn't let my children, my teenage girls near him,
although they're now grown up. I think chip Roy is
an extremely principled guy who is swimming against the tide,
mostly in a way that's admirable. He's saying, all right,
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if we're going to spend sixty billion dollars out of nowhere,
show me where you're spending sixty billion less somewhere else.
We can't continue spending our children and grandchildren into bankruptcy.
I admire that he's a lone voice man.
Speaker 2 (07:01):
Yeah, well, I was actually thinking as this news was
coming in over the weekend. This guy, Mike Johnson, the
Speaker of the House, he could get booted this week.
Who knows. I doubt that he will because the Democrats
are Roy Conna of California yesterday said look, I'm a progressive,
but if they try to boot out Mike Johnson, I'm
gonna vote for him. And he said I think a
lot of my progressive friends will.
Speaker 4 (07:21):
So.
Speaker 2 (07:22):
I think the Democrats would keep him in power with
a chunk of Republicans. But even if he loses his job,
he would sleep like a baby. You know what he
said last week. Look, I got a kid going into
the Naval Academy. This is a live fire event for us.
This is not a test. This is not a theoretical
we could be It's not a Twitter argument. Yeah, this
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is not a Twitter argument. We could be a war.
We could actually have to send troops to fight Russia
or China or Israel if we don't push back on this.
And I you know so, I'm sure he's very comfortable
with where he is. Yeah, but I but it's stunning
to me again that it took six months to get
that aid through when the vote was that lopsided. Is
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that the best that can happen in a democracy? I
think that is a clear cut sign. It's like, if
you wanted your doctors said I haven't had a bowel
movement in three weeks.
Speaker 4 (08:15):
I'd say the constipation of the Congress is definitely a
sign of ill health. Three weeks, just for instance, it's
actually only been ten days. My kid, I'm fine.
Speaker 2 (08:29):
I went eight days once thought I was gonna die
when I was taking all those chemotherapy drugs.
Speaker 4 (08:34):
Oh yeah, don't get me started. Nobody wants to hear
the tales of post surgical stopping up anyway, moving along quickly,
he was hoping to people, don't, No, I trust me,
they don't.
Speaker 2 (08:48):
I don't have a good radar for this. I just
assume people like to hear about that. Maybe that's why
I never get in fight in the parties.
Speaker 4 (08:54):
Maybe be part of it. Where was that? I don't believe.
Did you see Oh yeah, did.
Speaker 2 (09:00):
You see my latest picture of my grilling that I
tweeted out? It was much I thought it went better anyway,
But some of the responses on my grilling once again,
we're we're not charitable. I'm not a huge fan of grilling,
this person said, but I enjoy it more when I
get to stand up at the grill. Why don't you
drop a couple hundred bucks and buy a grill that
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doesn't require to get on your knees to flip a burger?
Love you, but that grill is an embarrassment to your
entire family.
Speaker 4 (09:28):
Yeah, if you're new to this discussion, Jack is an
alleged man, allegedly of the heterosexual variety, who hates grilling.
Speaker 2 (09:37):
Yeah. I hate it. I don't want to be good
at it. I wish i'd never have to do it again,
and I'm terrible at it. And I do have a
really crappy grill, which I think plays a role. As
somebody responded last week saying, why do you grill like
a runaway teenager? Ora meth Head, And this person said,
did the other folks under the bridge like the food.
Speaker 4 (09:57):
So I played golf over the weekend and in the
bar the men's grill. We're hanging out afterward. A buddy
of mine who's he listens to the show follows us
on Twitter. He said, Hey, by the way, that was
that was your partner, right, not you with the grill thing.
I said, what are you kidding?
Speaker 2 (10:14):
Now?
Speaker 4 (10:14):
That was Jack, And everybody's like, what are you guys
talking about? And I explained that you hate grilling and
you're terrible at it. And the consensus around the table,
and it was eight guys, was that if a friend
came to me and said, you know, I like to
kill the cats in the neighborhood, it would be a
similar level of I don't know you as if somebody
(10:35):
said I hate grilling and I can't grill, which which listen,
I'm more than willing to kick you for sport. It's
one of my greatest pleasures.
Speaker 5 (10:42):
Like but but it's kind of interesting that people reacted
that strong. I mean, there was a wink and a
nod in a sense of humor about it, but it's
it's it says something.
Speaker 6 (10:56):
I'm just wondering what your why you put the utensils
on the ground, Like your spatula is on the ground.
The thing you clean the grill with also on the ground.
Speaker 2 (11:08):
What where should it be why?
Speaker 4 (11:11):
Any literally anywhere, but not on the ground, right, I
don't have.
Speaker 2 (11:16):
A table or I don't have any This may be
why you get sick jack.
Speaker 6 (11:19):
Yeah, I mean there's no because there's there's a plate
right next to the spatula.
Speaker 4 (11:26):
Put the other people under the bridge enjoying the food.
That's the perfect comment. I'm looking at the picture now.
Speaker 2 (11:32):
Yeah, wow, Yeah, it does look like I'm on the lamb.
I'm going to beat up a ARV and I've got
a meth habit no family or friend.
Speaker 4 (11:42):
I'm gonna get.
Speaker 7 (11:43):
You a grill.
Speaker 4 (11:44):
I'm gonna come to your place and as semble it.
Speaker 2 (11:46):
And I'm gonna get you a fold out table, and.
Speaker 4 (11:50):
I'll kick in and get a twelve dollars table.
Speaker 2 (11:53):
Oh. I started reading my new favorite book over the weekend.
I want to talk about at some point David Sanger's
book about the New Cold Wars, which is freaking fascinating
and fighting.
Speaker 4 (12:03):
Oh And as a follow up to the previous discussion,
I came across a really interesting article about how Twitter
has I'm sorry, not Twitter TikTok. How TikTok has changed America?
M people. A lot of people over forty have no clue.
TikTok has been an enormous influence on our society. We
need to ban it. But more on that to come.
Speaker 2 (12:22):
Cool, dad, stay here.
Speaker 8 (12:30):
This trial is really wearing on Donald Trump. I've been
watching him, Oh my god, because you know, they people
get to talk about him and he has to sit
there for hours without saying anything, kind of like he
did on January sixth.
Speaker 2 (12:49):
So the left is really enjoying the Trump trial that
starts today with the opening arguments and all that sort
of stuff. And if anything exciting happens, we'll talk about it.
I don't expect anything exciting to happen. Well, I suppose
the day that Stormy Daniels takes the stand, if we could.
Speaker 4 (13:04):
See the opening arguments, that would be really compelling. Sure,
but just hearing brief accounts of them, maybe a little
bullet pointage, that'll be good. I'm more excited about hearing
the Supreme Court arguments over the Grant's Pass ruling. Is
there a constitutional right to be a junkie and block
a school entrance Anyway, I thought this was really good.
Brooke Barnes wrote this for The New York Times. It's
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a good example of the New York Times being what
it used to be, which is a thorough reporter of news.
TikTok has changed America's the title of the article, and
it's extremely long, but really interesting. I'm just going to
touch on some highlights. Love it, hate it, or fear it.
It's had an enormous effect on our society. And if
you're under forty or don't have kids, you might be
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less aware of this. The hundreds tens of millions, at
least of Americans who are on this four or five
six hours a day. It's just it's frightening. But they
get into all the ways TikTok became quote un quote
part of American life. It became Hollywood's favorite marketing machine.
Not that interested in that part. It's Generation Z's Walter
Cronkite ooof that is uh rough. Yeah, And they name
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check several influencers or whatever you want to call them,
who have millions of followers. They aggregate news, they report
the news, quote unquote, they editorialize, and Pew researchers found
that one third of eighteen to twenty nine year olds
say they get news regularly on the platform, far out
piecing outpacing people in other age groups. A lot of
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young people TikTok is their news.
Speaker 2 (14:39):
Are their windowing to the wall all the world, entertainment, politics, everything.
Speaker 4 (14:44):
Yeah. Yeah, indeed, it supercharges conspiracy theories. They get into
all sorts of different conspiracy theories that took off on TikTok.
It spawned a zillion trends, or at least trends got
Taylor Swift to defy her label. All right. David Sanger
wrote this section, it might just be a weapon. For years,
I thought TikTok was mostly a parenting problem and had
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only a tangential bearing on what I cover threats to
national security. It took a while and a whole lot
of conversation with both tech firms and government officials for
me to become concerned about the potential. He could also
pose a major problem on that front, not because the
company's Chinese owners could figure out your dance move preferences,
but because the algorithm at the core of the app
is wrapped in such mystery, and he goes into the
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fact that nobody outside the company knows what goes into
the algorithms, but that and I got to summarize very briefly.
But as we've mentioned many times, the version of TikTok
that's given to Chinese young people is education, good citizenship,
et cetera. The one to ours is frequently propaganda, filth,
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or just fluff, you know, And I'm pro fluff at
least for part of the day.
Speaker 2 (15:54):
Yeah, we all got enough fluff. There's no shortage of
fluff for anyone in America right now, all.
Speaker 4 (16:00):
Right, So just to summarize it as a surveillance tool
and a spreader of propaganda. Another effect, it turned the
school bathroom into a movie set. And they talk about
kids making their videos and posting them on TikTok, about
whatever happens at school or in the bathroom, stealing the mirrors.
They're all sorts of examples. It took over all the
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other apps they mentioned, All the other apps exist to
a large extent to drive you to TikTok. Interesting, yeah, yeah,
And all of the snobbiest gatekeepers they mentioned use it now,
from Taylor Swift to the White House. Whatever. You gotta have.
Speaker 2 (16:40):
It unless it goes away with like that, legislation that
passed the House on Saturday. That's the one I believe
they think is most in danger when it goes to
the Senate this week. Everybody expects the Ukraine and Israel
bills to pass, but the TikTok not sure because Schumer
had been unwilling to even bring a TikTok build to
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the floor. Yeah, he's been bribed.
Speaker 7 (17:04):
Oh.
Speaker 4 (17:04):
The one last thing I had to squeeze in is
it's an enormous commerce center. Enormous, mind boggling amounts of
money are traded for products and services on TikTok.
Speaker 2 (17:14):
Did CNN handle the journalism right around the guy who
set himself on fire? Did you hear this?
Speaker 1 (17:21):
Armstrong and Geeddy?
Speaker 2 (17:24):
So it was a boring day at the Trump trial
on Friday, Like a lot of days at the Trump
trial are going to be. I think. Oh, by the way,
so one of the jurors that got I don't remember
if this juror is one that got. I think she volunteered,
Like I said, I don't think I can do this
for some reason. Anyway, I saw her interviewed over the weekend.
How did she ever pass the I can be fair
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and balanced test? I saw her interviewed, and she, I
mean she couldn't hate Donald Trump more. I mean she
was just like she was so animated with her hatred
of the guy. I sure one one is somebody who
hates me that much. A jury judging me for anything good,
probably lied, lied like crazy, Probably lie. What just makes
you wonder how many of the other ones are like that?
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But so they're following Trump trial, and all the networks
got a tremendous amount invested in this. They've built giant
infrastructures outside the courthouse, and they got the cameras there
and all the legal analysts, and so they're all in
and they're trying to find stuff to come up with.
And this crazy guy who's he's been crazy forever and
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his friends knew he was crazy, and it was depressed,
set himself on fire outside the courthouse. And CNN's Laura
Coats then ends up jumping in it to and doing
play by play, which drew praise from some journalistic quarters
for her cool, smooth handling of a big story, and
then real condemnation from other people. Most networks. Fox cut
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away from it, apologized for showing any of it. Keith
Oberman is quoted in The New York Times for some
reason disgraced former cable news hosts Keith Oberman who said
CNN just effectively provided live coverage of a suicide attempt. Disgraceful.
Speaker 4 (19:08):
Well that's what they did. I mean, whether it's disgraceful
or not. I suppose you could argue, but that's what
it was.
Speaker 2 (19:13):
Well I didn't hear it, so let's listen to some
of it anyway, what do you say.
Speaker 3 (19:17):
We also are seeing an active shooter. An active shooter
is in the park outside of the court. We have
a man who is he has set fire to himself.
A man has emblazoned himself outside of the courthouse. Just now,
our cameras are turning. Right now, a man has now
lit himself on fire outside of the courthouse in Manhattan
where we are waiting a history to be made.
Speaker 7 (19:35):
A full jury panel is gone.
Speaker 3 (19:37):
We are watching a man who is fully emblazoned in
the front of the courthouse.
Speaker 7 (19:40):
Today.
Speaker 3 (19:41):
We are watching multiple fires breaking out around his body
and person. We have seen an arm that has been
visible that has been engulfed in total flames.
Speaker 7 (19:49):
There is chaos that is happening.
Speaker 3 (19:51):
People are wondering right now if people are in danger.
I'm looking across the court. Across the courtyard there is
a man raising toys AID. There's codes coming off and
try to put out the fire. We have members of
security details. NYPD is rushing to the scene.
Speaker 7 (20:05):
They are trying to come now. Officers are on the scene.
Speaker 3 (20:07):
A fire extinguisher is right now present being put on
this man to try to put out. People are climbing
over barricade to try to separate the public to put
out the flame on this man.
Speaker 7 (20:17):
He has let.
Speaker 3 (20:18):
Himself out in fire in front of the courthouse. Right
now we are watching as the plane. We can smell
the air. I can smell the burning of some sort
of a flesh. I can smell the burning of some
sort of agent being used as well as an acceleraty.
Speaker 2 (20:30):
So that's where we'll end it. It goes on for
quite some time, but yeah, the whole I can smell
burning flesh. I think I would have gone as soon
as I figured out what it was. Let's cut away
from that. Obviously we have a mentally disturbed person of
tragic story, but I don't know keeping it on there
and then getting into that. You can smell burning flesh
that's a little rough.
Speaker 4 (20:50):
Yeah. Wow. First of all, emblazoned doesn't mean what you
think it done several times. Yeah, that means like you're Michael.
Michaelangelow is the Sacramento King's fan. He had the King's
logo emblazoned on his T shirt. That's what it means, displayed.
Speaker 2 (21:06):
So I've heard that word, I've never heard it applying
to a man a park bench.
Speaker 4 (21:09):
Well, it has nothing to do with being on fire anyway.
Speaker 5 (21:12):
Uh.
Speaker 4 (21:13):
Yeah, her her rapid fire description of everything that was happening.
I had no problem with that till she got to
the burning flesh part.
Speaker 2 (21:21):
I don't know. So as you figure out, I I guess,
and you wouldn't know at the time because this is
just a crazy guy. I mean, I don't know if
you read up on this guy or not, but he's
a he's a nut and has been a nut for
a long time. And all his friends knew he's a nut,
but they thought he was a harmless nut, depressed in
all kinds of just the craziest conspiracies you can possibly imagine.
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So it doesn't mean anything. It just means. It just
means a crazy guy killed himself. And so it has
no greater meaning, And I don't know it's it's a
little pornographic for my taste.
Speaker 4 (21:52):
Yeah, I would say so. The decision to run with
it was distasteful. Her smell, burning flash, eh, her describing
of it and all the detail with the excitement and
her voice. Yeah, yeah, it's all a little perverse.
Speaker 2 (22:11):
Well, there's no doubt Also, if you care about this
sort of thing, and I guess we all should, there's
no doubt that would encourage people in his state of
mind to want to do it somewhere cameras around. I mean,
if you're going to get on CNN with a play
by play description of you killing yourself, that's going to
motivate ya wat if you got the right mindset.
Speaker 4 (22:32):
Yeah, the excitement, the kind of unspoken excitement that it
was at the Trump trial and may have something to
do with Trump, and this is crazy exciting, And yeah,
there's a bit of a feel of that. Probably worth
noting that if you were to go into this guy's
social media, he was clearly a man of the left.
But as a policy on this show, if somebody's profoundly
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mentally ill and they're a man of the right, don't
try to stick Republicans with responsibility for what a profoundly
mentally ill person and dead. So I'm going to stick
with that policy. On the left, the problem was not
that he was lefty. The problem was that he was
profoundly mentally ill. And now he's dead.
Speaker 2 (23:08):
He is dead. I didn't know if he died or not.
Speaker 4 (23:10):
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, so yeah I would. I think
I'm on team you cut away from that truth.
Speaker 2 (23:19):
I think I am too. And even if it's a
political statement relevant to what's happening, like a Vietnam protester
famously set himself on fire outside the White House when
Lyndon Johnson was president, really had an effect on him.
But that was a well, I don't know, I don't
know much about that guy. I know it, I know
it made a great political statement, but it could have
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been a crazy person too.
Speaker 4 (23:45):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (23:45):
I mean, if you're if you're a young person and
you're getting drafted and you might get sent to fight
in a war you don't believe in and uh and
and endure all the horrible things of war, that could
cause you to do something pretty direct desperate. So that
might have an overall might have a greater significance than
just a crazy person outside because there's lots of cameras there.
Speaker 4 (24:07):
Yeah, one hundred percent. You remember that fruit vendor who
set himself on fire in Tunisia to set off the
Arab spring, which I ended up producing nothing of value? Really? Yeah,
he had a carefully described set of values and beliefs
and was illustrating them with his own death. This guy
heard voices, right, poor son of a gun. He was
said to be a hell of a nice guy, and
just like so many people, you know, his psychosis set
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in this twenty isn't he just went off the rail.
Speaker 2 (24:31):
So we played like a minute of that clip and
it's five minutes long. Hey, Hanson, does she just keep
talking about the guy on fire? Did they stay with
that the whole time? Wow? Five minutes's plenty of time
to talk about the guy on the fire. God, you
know that's a good point. That's an excellent point.
Speaker 4 (24:46):
We found the first minute way too much and then
CNN went on for another five. Boy, they're desperate in
appalling in CNN in so many ways.
Speaker 2 (24:57):
Can't you find a cat getting run over by a
car somewhere? Put that on?
Speaker 4 (25:02):
I mean, seriously, somebody getting beaten down on a video
or something like that. There's plenty of those floating around.
Speaker 2 (25:12):
So this guy, David Pecker, who used to run the
National Inquirer and Trump had a relationship with him, he's
testifying today at the trial, and he is going to testify.
I assume to the fact that catch and kill was
a thing that Trump and lots of people do. Where
you you if there's a story out there, you pay
(25:37):
a whole bunch of money to make sure that that
story belongs to someone and then that they don't print it.
And is that why is that relevant to this?
Speaker 4 (25:50):
Well, speaking of irrelevant, if I'm born and informed of
my name is David Pecker. The day I turn eighteen,
my name is David Becker, all right with a B.
Sorry anyway, catch and kill?
Speaker 2 (26:03):
Is that relet further down the direction he's collects of
David Penis from that point on.
Speaker 4 (26:08):
Wow, well that would be quite the move. Uh yeah, well,
it's it's relevant. This This part is so frustrating to me.
I don't even have the energy for it. Part of
what the prosecution has to prove to the satisfaction of
the jurors is that Trump and Stephanie Clifford, the Buxom
Mattress actress actually coupled, because if they didn't, then there
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can be no motivation for an NDA and no Trump
saying it's Trump is actually yeah, it's absolutely Germane because
you've got to establish. Okay, they did this. He paid
her off. He paid her off in this way. He
compensated Michael Cohen in this way. There's kind of a
garden path you have to walk people down.
Speaker 2 (26:50):
Wow. So she so there's a reason for her to
testify in quite a bit of detail to their love making.
Speaker 4 (26:59):
Yeah. Uh, that's paying it a compliment. It does not
deserve I have a feeling. But and Trump is going
with the I'm a rich, powerful man. I have lots
of affairs, but I never humiliate my wife in public agreement.
And so he's continuing to not to deny that the
two of them ever got together, which is implying that
this is extortion. And he went and hadn't paid an extortionist.
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I don't happen to believe him.
Speaker 2 (27:25):
I'm not letting my kid go through grade school at
the last name Pecker. I mean, you got a proud
family name, and I'm sure you're like your dad and
your grandfather.
Speaker 4 (27:32):
The Peckers through history have accomplished many things. They've stood
tall and challenged the authorities when it was necessary, right,
brave and time honored Pecker family name.
Speaker 2 (27:43):
But un somebody's got to somebody's got to end the
line on that.
Speaker 4 (27:48):
Enough it now is a euphemism for the male genitalia.
I'm sorry, the apologies to our grandfathers.
Speaker 2 (27:55):
It's now Becker now the Becker family.
Speaker 4 (27:59):
Yes, please, you do.
Speaker 2 (28:00):
The ancestry dot com realize that in the air whatever
changed from Becker to Becker and still but we ain't
doing this anymore. Somebody has got to stand stand up
and say enough. I say enough.
Speaker 4 (28:12):
That's actually more common than I realized that a family
will just say this is too hard to spell or
pronounce or what everything? We're gonna We're gonna go with
this going for.
Speaker 2 (28:18):
I mean names that sound like men's junk. It's more
common than I read.
Speaker 4 (28:22):
Pretend No. I tried to explain what I meant, But
you've returned to the the childish, the juvenile, prurient. If
you will, for a child, perhaps you child now.
Speaker 2 (28:34):
Named Becker in a sex case. I noticed, Yes, yes,
there's no getting around that. Here's something really interesting for you.
Virtually everybody with any common sense, wisdom data says the
same thing. There should be no no smartphones in kids'
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hands in school.
Speaker 4 (28:58):
They're a television. If those of you who aren't familiar
with the smartphone, it's essentially a television and a telephone
and a.
Speaker 2 (29:06):
Hundred other don't care about either of those. I care
about the fact that it's the Internet. That's what I
care about in school.
Speaker 4 (29:13):
It's an absurdity that kids would be allowed to have
those in class. Guess where the main resistance is coming
from from that for banning them. It's from parents for
reasons that will probably make you roll your eyes.
Speaker 2 (29:27):
Yeah, I was going to guess certain kinds of parents
just because my we had I had this cover. Everybody
has this conversation if you got kids of a certain age.
We had this conversation over the weekend. My youngest really
wants a phone because his other friends have phones, and
he's got some friends now that he's texting with on
his watch and playing video games. How come I can't
have a phone Because you're not gonna have the Internet.
You're not gonna walk around with the Internet in your
pocket all the time. But yeah, it's some parents think
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it's crucial to be able to be in contact with
their children.
Speaker 4 (29:50):
I guess I will explain start with us.
Speaker 2 (29:53):
That's on the way.
Speaker 8 (30:01):
There are Instagram moms these days who are practically only
fansing they're anybody beauty queen daughters by having them wear
skimpy bikinis that eat bananas to build social media stardom.
They're called char renters, a hybrid of sharing and parent
I call them pimps.
Speaker 2 (30:18):
Wow, Bill Maher, he talked about the Nickelodeon and Disney
and all that sort of stuff. When we'll talk about
that later that I didn't realize a lot of those
videos that they have on those kids shows how dirty
they were.
Speaker 4 (30:33):
Oh my god, I had missed that myself, incredibly suggested children.
Speaker 2 (30:39):
Yeah that's rough.
Speaker 4 (30:41):
Yeah, yeah again, we'll we'll follow up on that stuff
at some point down the road. I want to pay
this off. I had a sense of this. But a
lot of school districts that are trying to ban smartphones
during school hours, and there are variety ways to do it.
Either kids have to drop off in the morning, or
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they're allowed to have it on their person, but they
it can never be visible you can't have it out
or you're busted. It gets taken away from you, you
get it back at the end of the day. Get
to sanctioned one way detention or something like.
Speaker 2 (31:13):
That is policed somewhat, I can say.
Speaker 4 (31:17):
Uh yeah. Anyway, it turned out, and they happen to
highlight a Colorado district here in the Wall Street Journal.
But it turned out that it was too much for parents.
Parents pushed back, even transferred their students because they wanted
even if they're abandoned class, they've got to be available
between classes, passing periods. They've got to be available during
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lunch or study hall or something like that. And what
it was was the parents wanted to be able to
contact their kids throughout the day with everything from probably
stupid stuff to I'm going to be a little late
picking you up, or remind me again, when does dance
class or football practice or whatever, and just the logistical
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conversations that we all have with our loved ones via
text or whatever throughout the day. But what shocks me,
and I'm tempted to be harshly judgmental on this topic,
is you have the same part of the education establishment.
I grant you. You got to look for that for
a while before you find it, saying this is completely
undermining instruction. You have kids watching TV, watching porn, messaging,
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TikTok videos, whatever, doing everything but learning. It's like letting
them bring a television into class. In our day in
high school, it's got to we.
Speaker 2 (32:35):
Can't have this wouldn't have been one tenth the distraction
or entertaining that a phone is.
Speaker 4 (32:40):
Oh yeah, yeah. And you have parents saying, well, I
got to be able to text my kids, so no,
don't ban smartphones in school.
Speaker 2 (32:48):
Aren't you all enough to like, how did your parents
do it? Y'all survived? You figured something out? Well?
Speaker 7 (32:55):
Right?
Speaker 4 (32:55):
And it strikes me for some reason, it popped in
my head. And now I can't remember where I first
heard this. It might have actually been a church sermon
where the thinker was talking about being compelled enslaved by
the urgent at the expense of the important. You live
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your life doing what's urgent as opposed to what's important.
And you know, there are a number of reasons I
think our kids are so anxious and depressed and the
rest of its. Smartphones are absolutely the heart of it,
one at the heart of it, and you're doing them
a favor by taking it away from them for eight
hours a day. I believe that fervently. But sending the
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message to them over and over and over again that
this minor logistical question must be dealt with now or
very very soon, that that's got to be the definition
of urgency trumping importance. We used to live perfectly happy
lives and we'd work it out. My mom my dad
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was ten minutes late to pick me up or whatever.
I would sit there thinking, oh, I guess they're late.
Speaker 7 (34:04):
Right.
Speaker 4 (34:04):
I didn't have a panic attack, I didn't start a revolution.
I didn't burn anything on a campus. I just sat
there and flipped through a book or chatted with my bodies.
Speaker 2 (34:13):
Right. I wonder how come there's not more of a
market for phones that only text, Like dumber phones, they
text but don't do anything else, as opposed to buying
your kid to full Monty phone, or I have both
my kids have watches and no phone and we can
text those very conversations.
Speaker 4 (34:32):
Yeah, yeah, get your kid's dumb phone. People. Some parents
are well in a school shooting that he'll need his phone.
I mean, come on, that never happens. I mean, statistically speaking,
and secondly, they point out that buzzing, ringing phones can
give the location of a kids away in the vashon
small possibility that it happens. I dumb phones are a
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great solution. Just flip phones.
Speaker 2 (34:56):
Well, yeah, I wonder why those aren't more popular. Just
I would think just because there's so much cheap that
it would be a good you'd see more young people
with the eighty dollars phone as opposed to one thousand
dollars phone.
Speaker 4 (35:07):
Well, here's an unpopular and provocative statement. They're not more
popular because the kids are running the family.
Speaker 2 (35:13):
Mmm, Joe Getty, he'll be here all week. The kids
are running the family.
Speaker 4 (35:18):
You know, some terrible accident or dismissal.
Speaker 2 (35:22):
Wow, do you do that caveat for everything I'll see
at the party tonight, barring some terrible accident.
Speaker 4 (35:27):
I do. It just seems thorough.
Speaker 2 (35:29):
It's like
Speaker 1 (35:31):
Armstrong and Getty.
From the Abraham Lincoln Radio Studio at the George Washington
Broadcast Center, Jack Armstrong and Joe Getty Armstrong and Getty Show.
Speaker 2 (00:14):
Will they get those long range artillery? Yes, not just
ammunition the attackers.
Speaker 3 (00:20):
I believe the administration was prepared over the last couple
of months can prepare to provide attackings.
Speaker 2 (00:26):
It is written into this legislation. Legislation we're talking about.
It passed over the weekend. This is a really big
deal of several different bills passing individually aid for Ukraine,
but this whole thing totals ninety five billion dollars in
foreign aid for the end of Pacific Israel and Ukraine.
And that's and then also a vote on TikTok, which
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we will separate out sixty one billion dollars in Ukraine
aid about ten billion dollars which is in the form
of a loan for a variety of reasons. The voting
was interesting. It was I don't know what I think
of democracy at this point as a workable idea for government,
because it has been true for many, many months that
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if you could have gotten this to a vote on
the House floor, it was going to overwhelmingly pass and
I don't even mean, like, you know, it's got a
good solid fifteen twenty votes to pass. It passed three
hundred and eleven to one hundred and twelve. It had
almost two hundred more votes saying yes than no, and
it always did in the polling. Just for a variety
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of political reasons, we couldn't get it out there, and it,
you know, it reminds me of the old Churchill quote
of the United States will exhaust every bad thing before
they getting around to doing the good thing, which we
did in World War Two, and we've done a number
of times throughout. But the vote was three hundred and
eleven to one to twelve in favor of ad to Ukraine,
with a majority of the Republicans one hundred and twelve
voting against it. The Republican vote was one twelve to
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one hundred majority voted against it. Now, I don't know
if all all of them felt that way, or there's
just a whole bunch of them that here's what I'm
assuming and hoping that there's a whole bunch of them thinking, yeah,
we need to aid Ukraine. But I live in a
district where this wouldn't be good for me. It's going
to pass easily, and so I'm voting no.
Speaker 4 (02:13):
Yeah, that's a substantial chunk. I hope silligans. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (02:17):
On the aid to Israel, it was even less close.
It was approved three sixty six to fifty eight. The
Taiwan Aid three eighty five to thirty four. So none
of these were even close. And then the TikTok requiring
the sale of TikTok by its Chinese owner by next year.
I guess they got a year three hundred and sixty
to fifty eight. I mean, these are overwhelming wins for
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all of these bills, and it was considered such a
risk for Mike Johnson to put it out there and
Willie loses speakership and all this. As we played you
last week, he had decided that I don't care whether
or not I lose my speakership. This is the right
thing to do. Have Michael McCall, who's a report looking
out of Texas. He's the chairman of the Foreign Affairs
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Committee and a grown up who said on Saturday, our
adversaries are working together to undermine our Western values and
demean our democracy. We cannot be afraid at this moment.
We have to do what's right, evil is on the March.
History is calling and now is the time to act.
History will judge us by our actions here today as
we deliberate on this vote. You have to ask yourself
of my Chamberlain or Churchill. I believe it was and
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is actually that level of moment between China, Russia and
Iran on the March, and were either going to stand
up to it or we aren't, And luckily enough people
did that it passed overwhelmingly.
Speaker 4 (03:42):
Yeah, I would agree with all of that. I don't
really I am not in the mood to relitigate the Ukraine's
thing between the false comparisons between we're concern about their
border but not our own border. Well how about we
be concerned about both them. You don't fix the one
by neglecting the other. And the bizarro pro putin flank
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of the right which troubles me a great deal. Yeah,
it's remarkable again the politics of it, that all of
those laws are, by anybody's standard, going by the votes,
utterly uncontroversial. There they're one foot pots, they're chip shots,
as they say, they're easy. The fact that and I
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think this is a good thing, well, it has the
potential to be a good thing. You never know that
the era of I will not pass anything unless my
side passes it. I will not seek accommodation across the aisle.
I will not seek middle ground. We will not build
a coalition of Democrats and Republicans. Only stuff that my
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side can pass on their own will come to the floor.
As an idiotic way to try to run a public
it's utterly unworkable, and it's based on the loudest voices
on the fringes having the biggest say. So I'm glad
to see it. I think Mike Johnson is a really
interesting guy. I think someday he could be hailed as
some sort of, if not a hero, the guy who
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ushered in a better new era. But again, I'm not
some dewey eyed college student. If there's a chance for
things to get screwed up, they probably will be.
Speaker 2 (05:25):
I hope this is ushered in a new era where
the bulk of normal people can vote together on variety
of things and not be controlled by Well, let me
read you a little of this from the dispatches reporting today.
The one hundred and eighteenth Congress is no stranger to chaos.
But the gloves were truly off this weekend, and they
quote this GOP representative Tony Gonzales of Texas. I served
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twenty years in the military. It's my absolute honor to
be in Congress. But I serve with some real scumbags,
he said, taking specific aim at fellow Republicans Matt and
Gates and Bob Good, who I don't know. I serve
some real scumbags. That's a pretty clear cut talk right there.
Matt Gates is a bully, Representative Derek Van Ordon Wisconsin
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said Saturday, Texas chip Roy is a bully. He said,
Bob Good's a bully, and the only way to stop
a bully is to push back hard. The three lawmakers
referenced by Van ordener among a group of hardline Republicans
opposed to the trio of four and eight bills passed
over the weekend.
Speaker 4 (06:24):
You know, I hate to hear chip Roy grouped with
Matt Gates because I think Matt Gates is a con man,
and I wouldn't let my children, my teenage girls near him,
although they're now grown up. I think chip Roy is
an extremely principled guy who is swimming against the tide,
mostly in a way that's admirable. He's saying, all right,
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if we're going to spend sixty billion dollars out of nowhere,
show me where you're spending sixty billion less somewhere else.
We can't continue spending our children and grandchildren into bankruptcy.
I admire that he's a lone voice man.
Speaker 2 (07:01):
Yeah, well, I was actually thinking as this news was
coming in over the weekend. This guy, Mike Johnson, the
Speaker of the House, he could get booted this week.
Who knows. I doubt that he will because the Democrats
are Roy Conna of California yesterday said look, I'm a progressive,
but if they try to boot out Mike Johnson, I'm
gonna vote for him. And he said I think a
lot of my progressive friends will.
Speaker 4 (07:21):
So.
Speaker 2 (07:22):
I think the Democrats would keep him in power with
a chunk of Republicans. But even if he loses his job,
he would sleep like a baby. You know what he
said last week. Look, I got a kid going into
the Naval Academy. This is a live fire event for us.
This is not a test. This is not a theoretical
we could be It's not a Twitter argument. Yeah, this
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is not a Twitter argument. We could be a war.
We could actually have to send troops to fight Russia
or China or Israel if we don't push back on this.
And I you know so, I'm sure he's very comfortable
with where he is. Yeah, but I but it's stunning
to me again that it took six months to get
that aid through when the vote was that lopsided. Is
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that the best that can happen in a democracy? I
think that is a clear cut sign. It's like, if
you wanted your doctors said I haven't had a bowel
movement in three weeks.
Speaker 4 (08:15):
I'd say the constipation of the Congress is definitely a
sign of ill health. Three weeks, just for instance, it's
actually only been ten days. My kid, I'm fine.
Speaker 2 (08:29):
I went eight days once thought I was gonna die
when I was taking all those chemotherapy drugs.
Speaker 4 (08:34):
Oh yeah, don't get me started. Nobody wants to hear
the tales of post surgical stopping up anyway, moving along quickly,
he was hoping to people, don't, No, I trust me,
they don't.
Speaker 2 (08:48):
I don't have a good radar for this. I just
assume people like to hear about that. Maybe that's why
I never get in fight in the parties.
Speaker 4 (08:54):
Maybe be part of it. Where was that? I don't believe.
Did you see Oh yeah, did.
Speaker 2 (09:00):
You see my latest picture of my grilling that I
tweeted out? It was much I thought it went better anyway,
But some of the responses on my grilling once again,
we're we're not charitable. I'm not a huge fan of grilling,
this person said, but I enjoy it more when I
get to stand up at the grill. Why don't you
drop a couple hundred bucks and buy a grill that
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doesn't require to get on your knees to flip a burger?
Love you, but that grill is an embarrassment to your
entire family.
Speaker 4 (09:28):
Yeah, if you're new to this discussion, Jack is an
alleged man, allegedly of the heterosexual variety, who hates grilling.
Speaker 2 (09:37):
Yeah. I hate it. I don't want to be good
at it. I wish i'd never have to do it again,
and I'm terrible at it. And I do have a
really crappy grill, which I think plays a role. As
somebody responded last week saying, why do you grill like
a runaway teenager? Ora meth Head, And this person said,
did the other folks under the bridge like the food.
Speaker 4 (09:57):
So I played golf over the weekend and in the
bar the men's grill. We're hanging out afterward. A buddy
of mine who's he listens to the show follows us
on Twitter. He said, Hey, by the way, that was
that was your partner, right, not you with the grill thing.
I said, what are you kidding?
Speaker 2 (10:14):
Now?
Speaker 4 (10:14):
That was Jack, And everybody's like, what are you guys
talking about? And I explained that you hate grilling and
you're terrible at it. And the consensus around the table,
and it was eight guys, was that if a friend
came to me and said, you know, I like to
kill the cats in the neighborhood, it would be a
similar level of I don't know you as if somebody
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said I hate grilling and I can't grill, which which listen,
I'm more than willing to kick you for sport. It's
one of my greatest pleasures.
Speaker 5 (10:42):
Like but but it's kind of interesting that people reacted
that strong. I mean, there was a wink and a
nod in a sense of humor about it, but it's
it's it says something.
Speaker 6 (10:56):
I'm just wondering what your why you put the utensils
on the ground, Like your spatula is on the ground.
The thing you clean the grill with also on the ground.
Speaker 2 (11:08):
What where should it be why?
Speaker 4 (11:11):
Any literally anywhere, but not on the ground, right, I
don't have.
Speaker 2 (11:16):
A table or I don't have any This may be
why you get sick jack.
Speaker 6 (11:19):
Yeah, I mean there's no because there's there's a plate
right next to the spatula.
Speaker 4 (11:26):
Put the other people under the bridge enjoying the food.
That's the perfect comment. I'm looking at the picture now.
Speaker 2 (11:32):
Yeah, wow, Yeah, it does look like I'm on the lamb.
I'm going to beat up a ARV and I've got
a meth habit no family or friend.
Speaker 4 (11:42):
I'm gonna get.
Speaker 7 (11:43):
You a grill.
Speaker 4 (11:44):
I'm gonna come to your place and as semble it.
Speaker 2 (11:46):
And I'm gonna get you a fold out table, and.
Speaker 4 (11:50):
I'll kick in and get a twelve dollars table.
Speaker 2 (11:53):
Oh. I started reading my new favorite book over the weekend.
I want to talk about at some point David Sanger's
book about the New Cold Wars, which is freaking fascinating
and fighting.
Speaker 4 (12:03):
Oh And as a follow up to the previous discussion,
I came across a really interesting article about how Twitter
has I'm sorry, not Twitter TikTok. How TikTok has changed America?
M people. A lot of people over forty have no clue.
TikTok has been an enormous influence on our society. We
need to ban it. But more on that to come.
Speaker 2 (12:22):
Cool, dad, stay here.
Speaker 8 (12:30):
This trial is really wearing on Donald Trump. I've been
watching him, Oh my god, because you know, they people
get to talk about him and he has to sit
there for hours without saying anything, kind of like he
did on January sixth.
Speaker 2 (12:49):
So the left is really enjoying the Trump trial that
starts today with the opening arguments and all that sort
of stuff. And if anything exciting happens, we'll talk about it.
I don't expect anything exciting to happen. Well, I suppose
the day that Stormy Daniels takes the stand, if we could.
Speaker 4 (13:04):
See the opening arguments, that would be really compelling. Sure,
but just hearing brief accounts of them, maybe a little
bullet pointage, that'll be good. I'm more excited about hearing
the Supreme Court arguments over the Grant's Pass ruling. Is
there a constitutional right to be a junkie and block
a school entrance Anyway, I thought this was really good.
Brooke Barnes wrote this for The New York Times. It's
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a good example of the New York Times being what
it used to be, which is a thorough reporter of news.
TikTok has changed America's the title of the article, and
it's extremely long, but really interesting. I'm just going to
touch on some highlights. Love it, hate it, or fear it.
It's had an enormous effect on our society. And if
you're under forty or don't have kids, you might be
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less aware of this. The hundreds tens of millions, at
least of Americans who are on this four or five
six hours a day. It's just it's frightening. But they
get into all the ways TikTok became quote un quote
part of American life. It became Hollywood's favorite marketing machine.
Not that interested in that part. It's Generation Z's Walter
Cronkite ooof that is uh rough. Yeah, And they name
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check several influencers or whatever you want to call them,
who have millions of followers. They aggregate news, they report
the news, quote unquote, they editorialize, and Pew researchers found
that one third of eighteen to twenty nine year olds
say they get news regularly on the platform, far out
piecing outpacing people in other age groups. A lot of
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young people TikTok is their news.
Speaker 2 (14:39):
Are their windowing to the wall all the world, entertainment, politics, everything.
Speaker 4 (14:44):
Yeah. Yeah, indeed, it supercharges conspiracy theories. They get into
all sorts of different conspiracy theories that took off on TikTok.
It spawned a zillion trends, or at least trends got
Taylor Swift to defy her label. All right. David Sanger
wrote this section, it might just be a weapon. For years,
I thought TikTok was mostly a parenting problem and had
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only a tangential bearing on what I cover threats to
national security. It took a while and a whole lot
of conversation with both tech firms and government officials for
me to become concerned about the potential. He could also
pose a major problem on that front, not because the
company's Chinese owners could figure out your dance move preferences,
but because the algorithm at the core of the app
is wrapped in such mystery, and he goes into the
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fact that nobody outside the company knows what goes into
the algorithms, but that and I got to summarize very briefly.
But as we've mentioned many times, the version of TikTok
that's given to Chinese young people is education, good citizenship,
et cetera. The one to ours is frequently propaganda, filth,
(15:50):
or just fluff, you know, And I'm pro fluff at
least for part of the day.
Speaker 2 (15:54):
Yeah, we all got enough fluff. There's no shortage of
fluff for anyone in America right now, all.
Speaker 4 (16:00):
Right, So just to summarize it as a surveillance tool
and a spreader of propaganda. Another effect, it turned the
school bathroom into a movie set. And they talk about
kids making their videos and posting them on TikTok, about
whatever happens at school or in the bathroom, stealing the mirrors.
They're all sorts of examples. It took over all the
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other apps they mentioned, All the other apps exist to
a large extent to drive you to TikTok. Interesting, yeah, yeah,
And all of the snobbiest gatekeepers they mentioned use it now,
from Taylor Swift to the White House. Whatever. You gotta have.
Speaker 2 (16:40):
It unless it goes away with like that, legislation that
passed the House on Saturday. That's the one I believe
they think is most in danger when it goes to
the Senate this week. Everybody expects the Ukraine and Israel
bills to pass, but the TikTok not sure because Schumer
had been unwilling to even bring a TikTok build to
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the floor. Yeah, he's been bribed.
Speaker 7 (17:04):
Oh.
Speaker 4 (17:04):
The one last thing I had to squeeze in is
it's an enormous commerce center. Enormous, mind boggling amounts of
money are traded for products and services on TikTok.
Speaker 2 (17:14):
Did CNN handle the journalism right around the guy who
set himself on fire? Did you hear this?
Speaker 1 (17:21):
Armstrong and Geeddy?
Speaker 2 (17:24):
So it was a boring day at the Trump trial
on Friday, Like a lot of days at the Trump
trial are going to be. I think. Oh, by the way,
so one of the jurors that got I don't remember
if this juror is one that got. I think she volunteered,
Like I said, I don't think I can do this
for some reason. Anyway, I saw her interviewed over the weekend.
How did she ever pass the I can be fair
(17:46):
and balanced test? I saw her interviewed, and she, I
mean she couldn't hate Donald Trump more. I mean she
was just like she was so animated with her hatred
of the guy. I sure one one is somebody who
hates me that much. A jury judging me for anything good,
probably lied, lied like crazy, Probably lie. What just makes
you wonder how many of the other ones are like that?
(18:07):
But so they're following Trump trial, and all the networks
got a tremendous amount invested in this. They've built giant
infrastructures outside the courthouse, and they got the cameras there
and all the legal analysts, and so they're all in
and they're trying to find stuff to come up with.
And this crazy guy who's he's been crazy forever and
(18:27):
his friends knew he was crazy, and it was depressed,
set himself on fire outside the courthouse. And CNN's Laura
Coats then ends up jumping in it to and doing
play by play, which drew praise from some journalistic quarters
for her cool, smooth handling of a big story, and
then real condemnation from other people. Most networks. Fox cut
(18:50):
away from it, apologized for showing any of it. Keith
Oberman is quoted in The New York Times for some
reason disgraced former cable news hosts Keith Oberman who said
CNN just effectively provided live coverage of a suicide attempt. Disgraceful.
Speaker 4 (19:08):
Well that's what they did. I mean, whether it's disgraceful
or not. I suppose you could argue, but that's what
it was.
Speaker 2 (19:13):
Well I didn't hear it, so let's listen to some
of it anyway, what do you say.
Speaker 3 (19:17):
We also are seeing an active shooter. An active shooter
is in the park outside of the court. We have
a man who is he has set fire to himself.
A man has emblazoned himself outside of the courthouse. Just now,
our cameras are turning. Right now, a man has now
lit himself on fire outside of the courthouse in Manhattan
where we are waiting a history to be made.
Speaker 7 (19:35):
A full jury panel is gone.
Speaker 3 (19:37):
We are watching a man who is fully emblazoned in
the front of the courthouse.
Speaker 7 (19:40):
Today.
Speaker 3 (19:41):
We are watching multiple fires breaking out around his body
and person. We have seen an arm that has been
visible that has been engulfed in total flames.
Speaker 7 (19:49):
There is chaos that is happening.
Speaker 3 (19:51):
People are wondering right now if people are in danger.
I'm looking across the court. Across the courtyard there is
a man raising toys AID. There's codes coming off and
try to put out the fire. We have members of
security details. NYPD is rushing to the scene.
Speaker 7 (20:05):
They are trying to come now. Officers are on the scene.
Speaker 3 (20:07):
A fire extinguisher is right now present being put on
this man to try to put out. People are climbing
over barricade to try to separate the public to put
out the flame on this man.
Speaker 7 (20:17):
He has let.
Speaker 3 (20:18):
Himself out in fire in front of the courthouse. Right
now we are watching as the plane. We can smell
the air. I can smell the burning of some sort
of a flesh. I can smell the burning of some
sort of agent being used as well as an acceleraty.
Speaker 2 (20:30):
So that's where we'll end it. It goes on for
quite some time, but yeah, the whole I can smell
burning flesh. I think I would have gone as soon
as I figured out what it was. Let's cut away
from that. Obviously we have a mentally disturbed person of
tragic story, but I don't know keeping it on there
and then getting into that. You can smell burning flesh
that's a little rough.
Speaker 4 (20:50):
Yeah. Wow. First of all, emblazoned doesn't mean what you
think it done several times. Yeah, that means like you're Michael.
Michaelangelow is the Sacramento King's fan. He had the King's
logo emblazoned on his T shirt. That's what it means, displayed.
Speaker 2 (21:06):
So I've heard that word, I've never heard it applying
to a man a park bench.
Speaker 4 (21:09):
Well, it has nothing to do with being on fire anyway.
Speaker 5 (21:12):
Uh.
Speaker 4 (21:13):
Yeah, her her rapid fire description of everything that was happening.
I had no problem with that till she got to
the burning flesh part.
Speaker 2 (21:21):
I don't know. So as you figure out, I I guess,
and you wouldn't know at the time because this is
just a crazy guy. I mean, I don't know if
you read up on this guy or not, but he's
a he's a nut and has been a nut for
a long time. And all his friends knew he's a nut,
but they thought he was a harmless nut, depressed in
all kinds of just the craziest conspiracies you can possibly imagine.
(21:41):
So it doesn't mean anything. It just means. It just
means a crazy guy killed himself. And so it has
no greater meaning, And I don't know it's it's a
little pornographic for my taste.
Speaker 4 (21:52):
Yeah, I would say so. The decision to run with
it was distasteful. Her smell, burning flash, eh, her describing
of it and all the detail with the excitement and
her voice. Yeah, yeah, it's all a little perverse.
Speaker 2 (22:11):
Well, there's no doubt Also, if you care about this
sort of thing, and I guess we all should, there's
no doubt that would encourage people in his state of
mind to want to do it somewhere cameras around. I mean,
if you're going to get on CNN with a play
by play description of you killing yourself, that's going to
motivate ya wat if you got the right mindset.
Speaker 4 (22:32):
Yeah, the excitement, the kind of unspoken excitement that it
was at the Trump trial and may have something to
do with Trump, and this is crazy exciting, And yeah,
there's a bit of a feel of that. Probably worth
noting that if you were to go into this guy's
social media, he was clearly a man of the left.
But as a policy on this show, if somebody's profoundly
(22:52):
mentally ill and they're a man of the right, don't
try to stick Republicans with responsibility for what a profoundly
mentally ill person and dead. So I'm going to stick
with that policy. On the left, the problem was not
that he was lefty. The problem was that he was
profoundly mentally ill. And now he's dead.
Speaker 2 (23:08):
He is dead. I didn't know if he died or not.
Speaker 4 (23:10):
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, so yeah I would. I think
I'm on team you cut away from that truth.
Speaker 2 (23:19):
I think I am too. And even if it's a
political statement relevant to what's happening, like a Vietnam protester
famously set himself on fire outside the White House when
Lyndon Johnson was president, really had an effect on him.
But that was a well, I don't know, I don't
know much about that guy. I know it, I know
it made a great political statement, but it could have
(23:40):
been a crazy person too.
Speaker 4 (23:45):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (23:45):
I mean, if you're if you're a young person and
you're getting drafted and you might get sent to fight
in a war you don't believe in and uh and
and endure all the horrible things of war, that could
cause you to do something pretty direct desperate. So that
might have an overall might have a greater significance than
just a crazy person outside because there's lots of cameras there.
Speaker 4 (24:07):
Yeah, one hundred percent. You remember that fruit vendor who
set himself on fire in Tunisia to set off the
Arab spring, which I ended up producing nothing of value? Really? Yeah,
he had a carefully described set of values and beliefs
and was illustrating them with his own death. This guy
heard voices, right, poor son of a gun. He was
said to be a hell of a nice guy, and
just like so many people, you know, his psychosis set
(24:29):
in this twenty isn't he just went off the rail.
Speaker 2 (24:31):
So we played like a minute of that clip and
it's five minutes long. Hey, Hanson, does she just keep
talking about the guy on fire? Did they stay with
that the whole time? Wow? Five minutes's plenty of time
to talk about the guy on the fire. God, you
know that's a good point. That's an excellent point.
Speaker 4 (24:46):
We found the first minute way too much and then
CNN went on for another five. Boy, they're desperate in
appalling in CNN in so many ways.
Speaker 2 (24:57):
Can't you find a cat getting run over by a
car somewhere? Put that on?
Speaker 4 (25:02):
I mean, seriously, somebody getting beaten down on a video
or something like that. There's plenty of those floating around.
Speaker 2 (25:12):
So this guy, David Pecker, who used to run the
National Inquirer and Trump had a relationship with him, he's
testifying today at the trial, and he is going to testify.
I assume to the fact that catch and kill was
a thing that Trump and lots of people do. Where
you you if there's a story out there, you pay
(25:37):
a whole bunch of money to make sure that that
story belongs to someone and then that they don't print it.
And is that why is that relevant to this?
Speaker 4 (25:50):
Well, speaking of irrelevant, if I'm born and informed of
my name is David Pecker. The day I turn eighteen,
my name is David Becker, all right with a B.
Sorry anyway, catch and kill?
Speaker 2 (26:03):
Is that relet further down the direction he's collects of
David Penis from that point on.
Speaker 4 (26:08):
Wow, well that would be quite the move. Uh yeah, well,
it's it's relevant. This This part is so frustrating to me.
I don't even have the energy for it. Part of
what the prosecution has to prove to the satisfaction of
the jurors is that Trump and Stephanie Clifford, the Buxom
Mattress actress actually coupled, because if they didn't, then there
(26:31):
can be no motivation for an NDA and no Trump
saying it's Trump is actually yeah, it's absolutely Germane because
you've got to establish. Okay, they did this. He paid
her off. He paid her off in this way. He
compensated Michael Cohen in this way. There's kind of a
garden path you have to walk people down.
Speaker 2 (26:50):
Wow. So she so there's a reason for her to
testify in quite a bit of detail to their love making.
Speaker 4 (26:59):
Yeah. Uh, that's paying it a compliment. It does not
deserve I have a feeling. But and Trump is going
with the I'm a rich, powerful man. I have lots
of affairs, but I never humiliate my wife in public agreement.
And so he's continuing to not to deny that the
two of them ever got together, which is implying that
this is extortion. And he went and hadn't paid an extortionist.
(27:23):
I don't happen to believe him.
Speaker 2 (27:25):
I'm not letting my kid go through grade school at
the last name Pecker. I mean, you got a proud
family name, and I'm sure you're like your dad and
your grandfather.
Speaker 4 (27:32):
The Peckers through history have accomplished many things. They've stood
tall and challenged the authorities when it was necessary, right,
brave and time honored Pecker family name.
Speaker 2 (27:43):
But un somebody's got to somebody's got to end the
line on that.
Speaker 4 (27:48):
Enough it now is a euphemism for the male genitalia.
I'm sorry, the apologies to our grandfathers.
Speaker 2 (27:55):
It's now Becker now the Becker family.
Speaker 4 (27:59):
Yes, please, you do.
Speaker 2 (28:00):
The ancestry dot com realize that in the air whatever
changed from Becker to Becker and still but we ain't
doing this anymore. Somebody has got to stand stand up
and say enough. I say enough.
Speaker 4 (28:12):
That's actually more common than I realized that a family
will just say this is too hard to spell or
pronounce or what everything? We're gonna We're gonna go with
this going for.
Speaker 2 (28:18):
I mean names that sound like men's junk. It's more
common than I read.
Speaker 4 (28:22):
Pretend No. I tried to explain what I meant, But
you've returned to the the childish, the juvenile, prurient. If
you will, for a child, perhaps you child now.
Speaker 2 (28:34):
Named Becker in a sex case. I noticed, Yes, yes,
there's no getting around that. Here's something really interesting for you.
Virtually everybody with any common sense, wisdom data says the
same thing. There should be no no smartphones in kids'
(28:55):
hands in school.
Speaker 4 (28:58):
They're a television. If those of you who aren't familiar
with the smartphone, it's essentially a television and a telephone
and a.
Speaker 2 (29:06):
Hundred other don't care about either of those. I care
about the fact that it's the Internet. That's what I
care about in school.
Speaker 4 (29:13):
It's an absurdity that kids would be allowed to have
those in class. Guess where the main resistance is coming
from from that for banning them. It's from parents for
reasons that will probably make you roll your eyes.
Speaker 2 (29:27):
Yeah, I was going to guess certain kinds of parents
just because my we had I had this cover. Everybody
has this conversation if you got kids of a certain age.
We had this conversation over the weekend. My youngest really
wants a phone because his other friends have phones, and
he's got some friends now that he's texting with on
his watch and playing video games. How come I can't
have a phone Because you're not gonna have the Internet.
You're not gonna walk around with the Internet in your
pocket all the time. But yeah, it's some parents think
(29:47):
it's crucial to be able to be in contact with
their children.
Speaker 4 (29:50):
I guess I will explain start with us.
Speaker 2 (29:53):
That's on the way.
Speaker 8 (30:01):
There are Instagram moms these days who are practically only
fansing they're anybody beauty queen daughters by having them wear
skimpy bikinis that eat bananas to build social media stardom.
They're called char renters, a hybrid of sharing and parent
I call them pimps.
Speaker 2 (30:18):
Wow, Bill Maher, he talked about the Nickelodeon and Disney
and all that sort of stuff. When we'll talk about
that later that I didn't realize a lot of those
videos that they have on those kids shows how dirty
they were.
Speaker 4 (30:33):
Oh my god, I had missed that myself, incredibly suggested children.
Speaker 2 (30:39):
Yeah that's rough.
Speaker 4 (30:41):
Yeah, yeah again, we'll we'll follow up on that stuff
at some point down the road. I want to pay
this off. I had a sense of this. But a
lot of school districts that are trying to ban smartphones
during school hours, and there are variety ways to do it.
Either kids have to drop off in the morning, or
(31:01):
they're allowed to have it on their person, but they
it can never be visible you can't have it out
or you're busted. It gets taken away from you, you
get it back at the end of the day. Get
to sanctioned one way detention or something like.
Speaker 2 (31:13):
That is policed somewhat, I can say.
Speaker 4 (31:17):
Uh yeah. Anyway, it turned out, and they happen to
highlight a Colorado district here in the Wall Street Journal.
But it turned out that it was too much for parents.
Parents pushed back, even transferred their students because they wanted
even if they're abandoned class, they've got to be available
between classes, passing periods. They've got to be available during
(31:39):
lunch or study hall or something like that. And what
it was was the parents wanted to be able to
contact their kids throughout the day with everything from probably
stupid stuff to I'm going to be a little late
picking you up, or remind me again, when does dance
class or football practice or whatever, and just the logistical
(32:02):
conversations that we all have with our loved ones via
text or whatever throughout the day. But what shocks me,
and I'm tempted to be harshly judgmental on this topic,
is you have the same part of the education establishment.
I grant you. You got to look for that for
a while before you find it, saying this is completely
undermining instruction. You have kids watching TV, watching porn, messaging,
(32:25):
TikTok videos, whatever, doing everything but learning. It's like letting
them bring a television into class. In our day in
high school, it's got to we.
Speaker 2 (32:35):
Can't have this wouldn't have been one tenth the distraction
or entertaining that a phone is.
Speaker 4 (32:40):
Oh yeah, yeah. And you have parents saying, well, I
got to be able to text my kids, so no,
don't ban smartphones in school.
Speaker 2 (32:48):
Aren't you all enough to like, how did your parents
do it? Y'all survived? You figured something out? Well?
Speaker 7 (32:55):
Right?
Speaker 4 (32:55):
And it strikes me for some reason, it popped in
my head. And now I can't remember where I first
heard this. It might have actually been a church sermon
where the thinker was talking about being compelled enslaved by
the urgent at the expense of the important. You live
(33:18):
your life doing what's urgent as opposed to what's important.
And you know, there are a number of reasons I
think our kids are so anxious and depressed and the
rest of its. Smartphones are absolutely the heart of it,
one at the heart of it, and you're doing them
a favor by taking it away from them for eight
hours a day. I believe that fervently. But sending the
(33:40):
message to them over and over and over again that
this minor logistical question must be dealt with now or
very very soon, that that's got to be the definition
of urgency trumping importance. We used to live perfectly happy
lives and we'd work it out. My mom my dad
(34:00):
was ten minutes late to pick me up or whatever.
I would sit there thinking, oh, I guess they're late.
Speaker 7 (34:04):
Right.
Speaker 4 (34:04):
I didn't have a panic attack, I didn't start a revolution.
I didn't burn anything on a campus. I just sat
there and flipped through a book or chatted with my bodies.
Speaker 2 (34:13):
Right. I wonder how come there's not more of a
market for phones that only text, Like dumber phones, they
text but don't do anything else, as opposed to buying
your kid to full Monty phone, or I have both
my kids have watches and no phone and we can
text those very conversations.
Speaker 4 (34:32):
Yeah, yeah, get your kid's dumb phone. People. Some parents
are well in a school shooting that he'll need his phone.
I mean, come on, that never happens. I mean, statistically speaking,
and secondly, they point out that buzzing, ringing phones can
give the location of a kids away in the vashon
small possibility that it happens. I dumb phones are a
(34:54):
great solution. Just flip phones.
Speaker 2 (34:56):
Well, yeah, I wonder why those aren't more popular. Just
I would think just because there's so much cheap that
it would be a good you'd see more young people
with the eighty dollars phone as opposed to one thousand
dollars phone.
Speaker 4 (35:07):
Well, here's an unpopular and provocative statement. They're not more
popular because the kids are running the family.
Speaker 2 (35:13):
Mmm, Joe Getty, he'll be here all week. The kids
are running the family.
Speaker 4 (35:18):
You know, some terrible accident or dismissal.
Speaker 2 (35:22):
Wow, do you do that caveat for everything I'll see
at the party tonight, barring some terrible accident.
Speaker 4 (35:27):
I do. It just seems thorough.
Speaker 2 (35:29):
It's like
Speaker 1 (35:31):
Armstrong and Getty.
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