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January 6, 2025 39 mins

Alex Stone comes on the show to talk about new information regarding the suspect in the Cybertruck explosion that happened last week in Vegas at the Trump Hotel. How did people feel about Prop 47 vs. Prop 36 then and now. More on how much of a boondoggle high-speed rail is. Vegan news. 

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Can't. I am six forty.

Speaker 2 (00:02):
You're listening to the John Cobel podcast on the iHeartRadio
app coming up later this hour. LA Times released some
fascinating data. Do you know that when Prop forty seven
passed in twenty fourteen, which legalized theft and legalized public
drug use, ninety percent of the neighborhoods in La County

(00:24):
approved Prop forty seven ninety percent, And when much of
it was repealed by Prop thirty six, eighty seven percent
of neighborhoods supported the repeal. So it is that complete
one to eighty degree flip if you look at the
neighborhood by neighborhood vote from ninety percent of neighborhoods wanting

(00:49):
to turn those crimes, well, legalize those crimes. Now nearly
ninety percent changed their mind. I tell you about it
coming up. All right, let's go to a stone now.
Matthew Littlsberger. He's the guy who shot himself in the
head and blew himself up to celebrate the new year.
He's sitting in a cyber truck outside the Trump Hotel.

(01:13):
Everybody thought it was a statement against the Trump and
Elon Musk, but I think it was more of a
statement about his entire mental state and personal life disintegrating.
Let's talk to Alex see what's going on. How are
you hey there, John?

Speaker 1 (01:26):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:27):
And in fact, in his writings from his iPhone he
says rally around Trump, Musk and Kennedy that this was
not somebody who was antidem that this was more in
honor of them in some way. But they don't know
why yet that and they may never know why he
chose to do it there at the Trump hotel and
in a.

Speaker 1 (01:45):
Cyber truck if he was a supporter of theirs.

Speaker 2 (01:48):
But nonetheless, this is really coming down now to mental
health and the mental health.

Speaker 1 (01:53):
Of our troops.

Speaker 2 (01:53):
And you could say of law enforcement and firefighters and
commercial airline pilots of kind of that fear to really
make it known what they're going through for fear of
losing their job. And there are all kinds of conspiracy
theories that are out there that the people are believing
in certain circles that because of a letter he sent
to a podcast before he did this about the drones

(02:16):
on the East coast and that he was being tracked
and China and the people were out to get him,
and the sheriff John in Las Vegas has gone point
by point disproving those like the one that has made
its way in the last couple of days, that it
wasn't Littlsburg in the truck, that it was somebody else
and the sheriff's since the.

Speaker 3 (02:34):
Department of Defense provided those dental records to us, we
then forwarded them to the coroner, and the coroner also
provided a positive identification for us.

Speaker 2 (02:43):
And for those saying, well, the DoD gave those dental records,
he says, yeah, but the family also gave them DNA,
and that DNA from his belongings matched the burned body
in the truck.

Speaker 1 (02:54):
And to those who still say it was not him.

Speaker 3 (02:56):
A military identification. We also felt a passport. We found
a Desert Eagle fifty caliber semi automatic pistol.

Speaker 2 (03:06):
That was registered to him. And there had been these
conspiracy theories over will White in the passport and the
military id why did they survive. The sheriff is saying
they were in the back of the truck and they
did have damage, but they were blown out and they
survived that way. And then the claim that he wasn't
that he was murdered, that he didn't do this willingly.
They've shown numerous videos showing he was the only one
in the cyber truck. There was nobody else that he

(03:27):
was all alone. So based on conspiracy, people are exhausting. Yeah,
they're just playing some kind of stupid games. And the
sheriff had to come out and go one by one
through them because they've really taken off in certain circles
and you know, in the military, podcast world and other places.
So they know based on his writings that were found
on his phone, it's pretty clear he was suffering from

(03:50):
mental health. He had sought help from the military at
one point, not to an extent where they thought that
he was a danger to himself for anybody else. But
now we're hearing from his ex girlfriend and she's telling
us was.

Speaker 4 (04:00):
Really open about the trauma he faced and the teammates
he lost. He lost a lot of teammates.

Speaker 2 (04:09):
Over the years. She's a former Army nurse and they
dated a couple of years ago. She said that before
he left for Vegas, that out of nowhere, he began
texting her. They hadn't talked in years, and that they
chatted a bit via text that he told her about
this cool cyber truck that he was running, but she
didn't realize there was more to it. It just kind
of seemed like he was saying, Hey, longtime, no talk,
I want to check in with you.

Speaker 4 (04:30):
I think he was just reaching out and I just
didn't pick up on it. I don't think he didn't
say anything explicit that would have triggered it. I guess
I just wish I had responded differently.

Speaker 2 (04:45):
And he was married and had a wife and they
had a young baby, and the wife told investigators that
he left the house around Christmas after claims of cheating
in the marriage, and so that may have played a
role as well, on top of everything else.

Speaker 1 (04:56):
He was cheating on the wife.

Speaker 2 (04:59):
Allegedly one partner was cheating. It sounded like it was
probably him, but that what she told police, and that
he left around Christmas time and didn't come back, and
that they were having marital problems as well. But the
ex agat they're out his life.

Speaker 4 (05:13):
The most important thing for him was being there for
his teammates, and he gave everything he had to them
in the army.

Speaker 2 (05:20):
And she says she feels like she let him down,
that everybody let him down, that the mental illness overtook him,
and police said this was a case of a decorated
soldier clearly suffering from PTSD. It was suicide, It was
not terrorism, it was not anything connected isis But this
was the way that he decided to go out. And
he says in these writings that we have that it

(05:41):
was a stunt that he did with fireworks and explosives
because he knew Americans would pay attention to it that way.
And he has a number of political statements as well,
but that he said, why did I do it?

Speaker 1 (05:51):
Personally?

Speaker 2 (05:52):
Now? He said, I needed to cleanse my mind of
the brothers I've lost. So where was she stationed in Germany?
So he was on leave for Germany and the military
and where did he suffer the losses? Which war was
he in? In Afghanistan? Afghanistan? Yeah, But but the military
is saying they let him. They gave him leave to
go home to Colorado Springs, probably for the birth of
the baby, but we don't know why, but that they

(06:14):
didn't see anything at that time that that indicated he
was a danger at anybody.

Speaker 1 (06:19):
So he was allowed to go on leave and go
back into society.

Speaker 2 (06:23):
All right, uh I, I is this the new way
is that. You know, sheriffs and law enforcement have got
to address every crackpot conspiracy idea that these online idiots
come up with, because I think they're just playing it.
They're just playing a game. But kudos to Kevin mcmahill,
the sheriff in Las Vegas. Instead of letting them fester,

(06:45):
he came out and said, look, I'm going to run
down all of these and here's how we know it
is him. We've got the DNA, we've got the dental records.
Here's why we know he was in there. To all
those who are claiming, well, the passport and the military
id were planted, here's what it was not. You can't
win with these people. They always got another one and
another one and another one. Right, And you know they'll say, well,

(07:06):
don't you know the police are covering up for the
Department of Defense.

Speaker 1 (07:08):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (07:09):
I mean, there's always going to be something else. But
the sheriff said, hey, he wanted to put it out there.
All right, very good, All right, Alex Stone, thank you.
You got to thank John Alex Stone from ABC News. Now,
so this guy just had a complete mental breakdown, the
one of New Orleans. That's the real deal. I mean
that is an isis convert. I don't know how this

(07:29):
process works that you sit in your run down Audrey's
trailer because he was living in Squalor. This guy and
gets radicalized, I guess online the one in New Orleans.
But the weirdest thing about that story was that he
jumped his vehicle up on the sidewalk and ran down

(07:52):
all those people. He killed one about fifteen of them.
And I saw this quote from one of the police officials.
It's like, well, why didn't you have barricades on the sidewalk?
And the response pretty much was, well, we didn't think
of it. It's like they didn't think of putting barricades
on the sidewalk. And I this was like one of

(08:14):
those head slapping moments, like what do you mean you
didn't think of it? Because they did go through the
trouble of blocking the roadways with ballards, and they were
in the process of adding more ballards in the process. Now,
the Sugar Bowl was that day. I mean, that's what
was drawing the big crowds on top of it being
New Year's weekend, but there were a lot of people

(08:36):
from out of town to go to the Sugar Bowl.
And if you're going to put a ballards to protect
pedestrians on Bourbon Street, then that the ballards have to
be installed in advance. I mean New Orleans. I mean
we saw about the government competence during Katrina. I mean

(08:56):
much much of the problem with Katrina. And that's now
what seventeen years ago?

Speaker 4 (09:00):
Uh?

Speaker 2 (09:00):
What was the local government? Bush was a boob too,
they all were. It was a complete failure top to bottom.
But on this one, when I read that the police
were surprised, I think one of one of the officials said, well,
it's just not something that we, you know, had considered.

Speaker 1 (09:17):
You know, we we put up the best, we put.

Speaker 2 (09:19):
Up our defense, and the terrorists just got the better
of us, just worked around it. Yeah, he drove the
vehicle up on the sidewalk. Wow, that's genius planning. So
I don't know for all the money we pour in
collectively pour into uh, you know, homeland security and security

(09:41):
issues locally. Uh, you have to execute and you have
to have a guy who says, hey, let's put another
half a dozen bollards on the sidewalk here. What do
you say, all right, we come back La County, specifically
in California, we know how the state as a voted
for Prop thirty six by almost well almost seventy thirty

(10:05):
and in LA County voted for Nathan Hockman over Gascon
by about sixty forty. What's interesting is the La Times
broke it down by neighborhoods and an overwhelming number of
neighborhoods voted against voted for Prop thirty six to make

(10:26):
theft a crime again in public drug use of crime again.
We'll talk about it and we come back.

Speaker 5 (10:32):
You're listening to John Cobelt on demand from KFI Am
six forty.

Speaker 2 (10:38):
Next hour, Gavin Newsom has got some speech he's going
to give. He's got a budget, but there's also going
to be some kind of announcement high speed rail. As
I told you before, they're absolutely panicking because Trump's coming
in is going to shut off the federal money, which
isn't a lot. Most of the money is the borrowed money.

(10:59):
The federal money small amounts, it's still a few billion
dollars and the state has not given much money because
they can't. They steal some money out of those climate
change taxes. But as far as having a dedicated tax,
a dedicated income stream, they can't do it because of

(11:19):
the way the proposition was written. They don't have any
private money coming in after seventeen years. They haven't sold
any private company to help with the funding because there
isn't a company on the planet, and they have high
speed rail in so many countries, and it's subsidized in
a lot of countries. I don't know if there's anybody
turning a profit, but it's effective in a lot of

(11:42):
other countries. Here seventeen years, and as I said, they
don't know where the money went. And we're going to see.
They're begging the Biden administration to approve some funding before
the Biden's go out of business on January twentieth.

Speaker 1 (11:56):
So I'll do all that. Coming up in the.

Speaker 2 (11:58):
Three o'clock hour. Oh, goop pool forgot Google Pool. The
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(12:21):
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(12:44):
And how many people did that seven?

Speaker 1 (12:48):
Seven.

Speaker 2 (12:49):
So we'll get into all that next hour. So that's
twenty twenty five. And things are much different than they
were even six weeks ago because Prop thirty six is
now the law in California. So stealing, shoplifting, theft, it's
illegal again. Third time you get caught, it's a felony.

(13:10):
You go to prison. And now public drug use. Third
time you get caught, you get a choice between prison
or rehab, and you have to go to extensive rehab
or you go to prison.

Speaker 1 (13:21):
And that's the way life used to be.

Speaker 2 (13:23):
And I told you that high speed rail is the
biggest boom dooggle in American history for a public works project,
the biggest failure in the history of propositions, and it's
probably Prop forty seven. I don't think anything has been
worse than Prop forty seven in what it did to

(13:45):
your daily life in California by legalizing theft. It caused
a huge increase in theft. By legalizing public drug addiction,
it created a thousands and thousands of public drug addicts
who then had to steal in order.

Speaker 1 (14:01):
To feed their addiction.

Speaker 2 (14:03):
And if all day they're taking drugs and then stealing
to take more drugs, they're not working, which means they
can't live in a house or an apartment, so they're
living in the street. And most of the modern problem
in California, when in regards to homelessness, public drug addiction,
untreated mental illness, all of that of the crime.

Speaker 1 (14:27):
Think about think about all the things.

Speaker 2 (14:28):
We've endured for the last ten years, the public drug use,
the untreated mental illness, the crime, the homelessness. It was
all a vicious circle. And it was all created by
Prop forty seven. And I've never seen people vote for

(14:50):
something and then ten years later almost everybody changed their minds.
In fact, there's some statistical proof of that now. Los
Angeles Times did an analysis and said when Prop forty
seven passed back in twenty fourteen, it was approved by

(15:11):
ninety percent of the neighborhoods in La County ninety percent.
And when Prop thirty six came along, to repeal much
of that law. Eighty seven percent of the neighborhoods supported
the repeal, ninety percent approved of Prop forty seven. Eighty

(15:33):
seven percent approved a repeal.

Speaker 1 (15:36):
That is I always used to say, we always used.

Speaker 2 (15:39):
To tell you that the number of people who are
truly full blown progressives is a small minority. They got
very loud, but they got into media, they got into politics,
and they amplified these progressive obsessions and made you think
that the whole world was changing. I don't know how

(16:00):
many times I heard somebody say that, well, you know
the world is changing, John, I said, no, it's not.
Nobody normal wants to put up with all this crime
and all this homelessness and all this mental illness and
drug addiction. No, world's not changing. The world got bamboozled.
Remember the Safe Neighborhood and Schools Act. Is what Kamala

(16:22):
Harris wrote as the title in summary for Prop. Forty seven.
It was a big lie. We're in the age of
the big lie, repeated over and over. But I knew
people suddenly, But people didn't wake up suddenly and say, oh,
homelessness is so wonderful. These people are so noble. We
have to be so understanding of the drug addiction and
the mental illness.

Speaker 1 (16:41):
We have to tolerate the theft.

Speaker 2 (16:43):
We're rich enough to tolerate the theft that these poor
people they need to steal in order to satisfy their
terrible addiction.

Speaker 1 (16:50):
Nobody was for that.

Speaker 2 (16:53):
Nobody told us well, Ken and I did, but all
the other public officials and media didn't tell you what
was coming. I thought it was pretty clear that if
you were going to legalize theft and legalized public drug addiction,
that what do you think you were going to get
a massive amount of theft and drug addiction? How could
you not? And then the drug addicts wouldn't be able
to live normally. What drug addict lives normally? I thought

(17:18):
it was obvious, But they saturated, they saturated the message
throughout California that Prop forty seven was going to be
wonderful and it was horrible. Do you know what percentage
of Lli County voters supported gascone and voted No One

(17:40):
Prop thirty six. Now that would be real progressive, a
real progressive belief system. Only fourteen percent, a fringe fourteen
percent voted four gascone and voted against Prop thirty six.

Speaker 1 (17:58):
I mean, that's that's.

Speaker 2 (18:01):
That fourteen percent what was ruling La County all this time.
They're the true believers, even after it was proven that
Gascone was a dangerous disaster and that Prop forty seven
was a massive failure.

Speaker 1 (18:14):
They're the hardcore. They're the ones who.

Speaker 2 (18:16):
Think, yeah, Gascon's policies should continue, and we should continue
legalizing theft in public drug addiction. Okay, fourteen percent. A
lot of them located in Echo in Echo Park and
Los Felis that area, you know, that's that's that's where

(18:40):
they had all the crazy homelessness going on in Echo Park.
What's the other town there where they're crazy? In any event,
it's it's that particular region, just solid nuts, so progressive,
and some of the poor neighborhoods too.

Speaker 5 (18:58):
More coming up listening to John Cobels on demand from
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Speaker 2 (19:05):
Coming up after three o'clock. We may run a little
bit of Avenuwsom speech. He's got a new budget, but
there's also he's going to take some kind of stand
on the future of high speed rail, and the assumption
is as he's going to continue to demand funding for it,
even though after seventeen years, almost nothing's been done. It's

(19:27):
it's such a failure, it's such a waste. Kevin Kighleie,
who is a Congressman from northern California, Republican, we've had
him on the show a number of times. In fact,
he's going to be with us on Wednesday. See this
is this week. Everybody is back to work, back in business, right,
and so Congress is getting back in session, and he

(19:49):
has is going to introduce a bill I haven't written
up in front of me that would absolutely cut off
federal funding for the California High Speed Rail disaster. Kylie
says California's high speed rail project has failed because of
political incompetence. There is no plausible scenario where the cost

(20:12):
to federal or state taxpayers can be justified.

Speaker 1 (20:16):
That's all you need to say. That's perfect, that's absolutely true.

Speaker 2 (20:22):
Our share of federal transportation funding should go towards real
infrastructure needs, such as improving roads that rank among the
worst in the country. We have some of the worst
roads in the nation. And you remember when they scammed
us with a gas tax a few years ago, and
we got to repeal on the ballot. We worked with

(20:44):
Carl Demio got it on the ballot, and Newsom's crowd
lied about no, no, the money is necessary for the
repair of the roads, and they started putting up signs.

Speaker 1 (20:57):
I think the.

Speaker 2 (21:00):
Bill was called AB one and you suddenly saw these
road signs another AB one project or a Senate Bill
one SB one, I think it was.

Speaker 1 (21:09):
And they.

Speaker 2 (21:12):
Totally lied. They haven't improved the roads. As you know,
the roads are in horrendous condition. I tell you, La
City Roads. Oh my god, what an embarrassment.

Speaker 1 (21:23):
Jesus.

Speaker 2 (21:24):
It's smooth a right running along the bottom of the
Grand Canyon than it is riding Sunset Boulevard. So Kylie
just has a bill, and I got the bill in
front of me, a bill to prohibit the use of
federal financial assistance for certain high speed rail development projects
in the state of California. No federal financial assistance may

(21:45):
be provided to the State of California for a high
speed rail corridor.

Speaker 1 (21:50):
And that's it.

Speaker 2 (21:54):
And they have a code, a special number which signifies
this specific project. Now I didn't know this, but according
to Kylie's press release, he quotes the DOGE Commission, the
Department of Government Efficiency. This is the Elon musk the

(22:17):
they Ramaswami Department. That's going to highlight uh wasted wasted funding,
wasted spending. Now people are confused. They most because it's
not an onolcted official. He has no right to be all.
He's not setting law, he's not issuing executive orders, he's

(22:38):
not voting on anything. He leads a group of outside
American citizens who are going to make recommendations to Trump.
That that's not that is not unprecedented. You've had these
kind of commissions before. You have you have people from
outside active government and they put together an investigation and

(23:01):
a report and make recommendations. The nine to eleven commission
was like that, I think Department of Government Efficiency and
they they say, now, I thought it was in the
three billion range. They claim that six point eight billion
dollars in federal funding has been already sent.

Speaker 1 (23:21):
Six point eight billion.

Speaker 2 (23:25):
They Biden must have shoveled out some money when nobody
was looking last year, and Newsom is requesting another eight billion.
So we borrowed about nine billion nine to ten, and
then the government, federal government spent almost seven So that's

(23:48):
seventeen billion dollars either down the toilet or swirling the bowl.
Seventeen billion dollars and you go find me where the
high speed rail exists, and they want they want eight
billion more. What it's absolute theft, complete theft. I'm telling you,

(24:11):
If Newsom stands up in about twenty minutes, they want
to slap handcuffs on him if he's pushing to steal
more federal tax money on top of all that borrowed
money that's already been stolen and laundered through high speed rail.
When is this going to be treated as a crime.
I mean, well, how about a you know, maybe maybe

(24:32):
we need is a US attorney investigation, We need an
FBI investigation. That's something that Trump ought to do. Do
do a federal investigation on the seventeen billion dollars that's
been blown in what line of work? All right, we
all will work, most of us work for some company.

(24:53):
Can your company blow through seventeen billion dollars from out
there being an investigation, some kind of a lawsuit, imagine
a publicly traded company.

Speaker 1 (25:01):
This is fraud.

Speaker 2 (25:03):
This is absolutely fraud. And Newsome is at the top
of the pyramid here. They're committing fraud with this. People
should go to prison and then they claim we have
no financial records. They did in audit a couple of
years ago, and oh, I don't know where the money went.
There's no No records were made by the government, by
the contractors, by the high speed Rail authority. But you know,

(25:25):
by all the contractors that took the money and run,
whether it was construction people, engineering people, environmental people, attorneys,
you know, whatever parasites attached themselves to a project. Come on,
seventeen billion in seventeen years. And there's no track. I
read somewhere where there's supposedly sixteen hundred feet a track.

(25:47):
Sixteen hundred feet do you know how long that is?
That's like a quarter of a mile.

Speaker 1 (25:52):
The hell.

Speaker 2 (25:58):
Meantime, there is a report see News addresses this in
his stupid speech. U haul has a report out for
the fifth year in a row, California finished on top
of the U Haul index, meaning more Californians rented one

(26:18):
way U haul trucks to leave the state than residents
of any other state. And I've got the chart in
front of me here, and yeah, California rented the most
trucks to leave and and California had the least amount

(26:39):
of U haul growth In other words, if you added
up all the people who moved out and all that
moved in using U haul, California was last. South Carolina
was first, Texas, second, North Carolina, third Florida, fourth, Tennessee fifth.
People are moving south where they don't have these massive, woke,

(27:01):
wasteful governments with their stupid ass ideas.

Speaker 1 (27:06):
Then it comes to.

Speaker 2 (27:06):
Arizona, Washington, Indiana, Utah, and Idaho. But the high tax
states with the worst left wing governments are at the bottom.
Here's the five states that had the biggest gap between
outflow and inflow. California is number fifty, Massachusetts forty nine,

(27:29):
New Jersey forty seven, New York forty three, Pennsylvania is
forty sixth Illinois is forty eight. These are all high
tax states, democratic governments, COVID, lockdown policies, woke DEI policies,
and everybody's sick of it, and so they're simply leaving.

(27:51):
And these are people who are making decent money. These
are middle class and upper middle class people. California Globe
Katie Grimes added this to the U haul story. We
have the highest homelessness in the country. We have one

(28:11):
third of all the poverty in the country. We've got
a huge budget EPISOD of fifty five billion dollars. We
have the lowest public reading and math scores kindergarten through
grade twelve, on top of the three year COVID lockdown.
The top U haul growth Metros, Dallas, Charlotte, Phoenix, Lakeland, Florida, Austin, Texas, Nashville,

(28:39):
rawleyg Palm Beach or Palm Bay it says here Florida,
I don't know, Palm Bay, Houston, Greenville, South Carolina. California
is not listed. They're not listed in any of the
lists of growth. The only one where it makes the
top of the.

Speaker 1 (28:58):
List is most.

Speaker 2 (29:02):
U hauls leaving and biggest, biggest differential between outgoing U
hauls and incoming U halls, And so they're they're losing
tax revenue, which will exacerbate the deficy. I do not
understand the California is going to be the last state

(29:23):
in the Union that changes its voting patterns. I just
read a story today how in New York State, even
New York City, voting patterns changed abruptly two months ago,
that the Democrats lost a lot of ground, the Republicans
gained a lot of ground even in New York. Looks

(29:45):
like the two hundred thousand illegal aliens in New York
City really created a political movement, but not here. One
of the great puzzles of all time, are we come back?
We have on the the usual amount of vegan news.

Speaker 6 (30:01):
Oh that's great.

Speaker 1 (30:03):
None of it's flattering for vegans, Debor Mark.

Speaker 6 (30:06):
Would you ever do a flattering vegan story?

Speaker 1 (30:09):
There's no story.

Speaker 5 (30:11):
You're listening to John Cobels on demand from KFI Am sixty.

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will drop off.

Speaker 1 (30:50):
We will tell you.

Speaker 2 (30:52):
We'll read you the list of celebrities who got the
most votes last year but did not did not kick off,
and we'll tell you about the people who went three
for three did not kick off did not kick off.
I'm trying to find it.

Speaker 6 (31:05):
You know, they're still breathing.

Speaker 2 (31:06):
That's right, they are they as far as we know. Oh,
by the way, any celebrities that die in the coming
week doesn't count, right because people people have tried to
gain the system in the past. So we had to
have an absolute rule that anybody who dies up until
midnight Friday, you cannot be included as one of your selections.

(31:27):
All right, here is it by tell you vegans are
just nuts?

Speaker 1 (31:36):
Nothing personal.

Speaker 2 (31:40):
Have you gone to the Sage Plant Bistro and brewery.

Speaker 6 (31:45):
The Stage Plan Bistro and I've been to Sage Sage,
but maybe it's a different restaurant.

Speaker 2 (31:51):
No, it's all the same. They seem to call themselves
different things. It was Sage, then it was the Sage
Plant Bistro, and then they started Then they called themselves
Sage Regenerative Kitchen.

Speaker 6 (32:04):
Oh I haven't heard that, Okay, Then I guess I
have been there.

Speaker 2 (32:07):
Okay, So that last iteration is what drove meta business.
I'll tell you what it means. So Sage has been
around for fourteen years in Echo Park and Pasadena.

Speaker 6 (32:17):
I've been to the one in Pasadena, okay.

Speaker 2 (32:20):
It's opening Echo Park in twenty eleven and it grew
into one of southern California's most famous vegan restaurants.

Speaker 6 (32:27):
It's quite delicious.

Speaker 2 (32:29):
Molly Engelhart operates or operated the restaurant with her husband, Elias,
and it was struggling though. You Vegans stopped showing up
as frequently, and in late twenty twenty three the business
was behind on its rent and taxes and they closed
the location in Agora, and they closed their kitchen in

(32:52):
Culver City. They sold their home to give the restaurant
more money. They were really trying hard to service the vegan.

Speaker 6 (33:00):
Well, that was very nice of them and recommend.

Speaker 2 (33:02):
It and this vegan community. First they just stopped showing up.
Business was dropping, so in order to try to keep
the restaurant opened, they decided they would sell animal meat.
They wouldn't call it like beef or chicken or fish
or anything. They just called it regenerative animal meat.

Speaker 6 (33:27):
Oh I know another animal vegan restaurant that did that
as well.

Speaker 1 (33:32):
So this really pissed off.

Speaker 6 (33:34):
Yes, yes, yes, absolutely, Well, you don't call yourself a
vegan restaurant and you've been a vegan restaurant for how
many years. Well, and then you change and you start
selling animal products, and.

Speaker 2 (33:45):
Then they well they called themselves a regenerative kitchen. I
guess that's code for meat. This is what's funny is
they wouldn't use the word meat, so it was regenerative
animal products. And she said, I thought maybe we could
merge to things my restaurants and my passion for regenerative agriculture.

Speaker 1 (34:03):
I'll explain what that is in the moment. I have
to look it up.

Speaker 2 (34:07):
However, the vegans responded with so much anger and so
much fury.

Speaker 1 (34:12):
Now stage is closing for good.

Speaker 6 (34:15):
Well, if you're going to be a vegan restaurant, that
that's your brand. You really should not deviate.

Speaker 2 (34:20):
But in my opinion, if you want vegans to show
up at a restaurant, you have to go there.

Speaker 1 (34:25):
Otherwise there are no vegan restaurant.

Speaker 6 (34:27):
There are a ton of vegan restaurants, I think, so,
I think, seriously, there are so many.

Speaker 1 (34:33):
They're all going to go out of business.

Speaker 6 (34:34):
No, they're not.

Speaker 1 (34:34):
No, the vegans are not loyal.

Speaker 6 (34:36):
I'm loyal. If I like something, I will go. But
I've tried numerous I haven't really I don't really go
to the same ones over and over again, I try
different ones.

Speaker 2 (34:45):
Regenerative meat refers to meat that is produced using regenerative
agriculture practices that aim to rebuild soil health, reduce carbon emissions,
and promote biodiversity. The animal's great and open pastures practice
natural mating.

Speaker 6 (35:06):
Well, they're not being set up, they're not being forced
to have sex.

Speaker 2 (35:09):
Well, so they let the male romance. The female bring
some roses, a little perfume, yeah, little chocolate, little soft music,
and they just sit there and watch until the grunting starts.
They're raised in conditions that prioritize their comfort and health.

Speaker 1 (35:30):
Well, it doesn't matter, they're gonna end up dead.

Speaker 6 (35:32):
Well no, but I still like that. We've we've had
these conversations for years about the chickens smoshed in the cages.

Speaker 2 (35:38):
I mean, I think it's funny because in the end,
it's you know, it's fed into the grinder.

Speaker 6 (35:45):
They deserve a happy like.

Speaker 2 (35:47):
Well, sure they should have, you know, some dating in
the open pasture, some some romantic times instead of being
you know, a forced mating process. How do they force
them to make? Boy, wouldn't want that job. You got
you got a bull, and you got a cow. It's like,
all right, you two are getting together, all right, whether
you like it or not. Right, if I got to

(36:09):
move in there and help you myself. So the uh
it says here that Las vegan and vegetarian scene is changing.

Speaker 6 (36:19):
How's it changing?

Speaker 2 (36:21):
That's what I said. The vegans are not shown up anymore.
Here's some other restaurants, a plant based pizza spot named
Hot Tongue.

Speaker 6 (36:30):
I've never been there Hot Tongue, and that's not the
greatest name for a restaurant.

Speaker 5 (36:34):
No.

Speaker 2 (36:36):
There there was a there was a deli near my
house growing up, and they would sell tongue. They would
have a big slab of tongue in the display. Okay,
that's worse than yeah, yeah, I draw the line of
tongue that it was right next to the liverwurst and
the bologna and the tongue, and it's like he uh

(36:56):
So anyway, Hot Tongue added animal products to its animal products.

Speaker 1 (37:01):
They wouldn't sing meat.

Speaker 2 (37:02):
Then there was this restaurant show Jin in downtown nix On, Beverly.
They closed Cafe Gratitude, a chain of restaurants.

Speaker 6 (37:13):
Yes, and I have been there. That was the one
I was referring to when I said another restaurant sort
of changed, but I think that one is okay.

Speaker 2 (37:20):
Well, they've closed a few of their locations and it's
run by the woman's father. The woman I mentioned Molly
Engelhart the owner of a sage, while our father owned
Cafe Gratitude and remember those. It seems like it seems
like the vegans are getting tired of being vegan.

Speaker 6 (37:37):
No, I don't think so. I think the vegans are
being tired of wanting to go to a restaurant and
are hearing about a restaurant, and then all of a sudden,
the restaurant decides to add meat.

Speaker 1 (37:47):
They got to make money. Then you know what here,
the sales are not there.

Speaker 6 (37:51):
I even though I'm a vegan, I don't necessarily love
vegan restaurants because, as I've said before, I don't like
to I'm a weird vegan. I don't like tofu, I
don't like meat, cheese, any of that, So that's not vegan.
But I mean what I do is I like to
go to restaurants that have what I call vegan options,
meaning stuff that doesn't have meat, dairy and all that

(38:14):
it doesn't actually have to be you know some strange.

Speaker 1 (38:18):
Concoctions, so fake fake food?

Speaker 6 (38:21):
Right, no fake food?

Speaker 2 (38:23):
We come back, do we know if there's some Starting
at three, I don't want to play the whole speech,
but I just want to hear him. I need I
need his ambiance here, just to bring him on, listen
to him.

Speaker 6 (38:35):
I want to say what his hair looks like.

Speaker 1 (38:37):
You see what his hair looks like.

Speaker 6 (38:38):
He's wearing.

Speaker 2 (38:40):
I want to I want to see if he's going
to talk about high speed rail at all, because because
this is a big moment, it looks like Trump is
going to cut off funding very quickly. Elon Musk's Department
of Government Efficiency has it targeted Kevin Kylie. As I
mentioned a few minutes ago, the Republican congressman has a
bill to cut off funding. And they've spent billions of

(39:01):
dollars in the federal government on this nonsense. And this
is like news could be Newsom's last stand here. We'll
talk about it coming up until three o'clock and the
goold pool All ahead, Debora Mark Live in the CAFI
twenty four hour Newsroom.

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