September 17, 2025 • 45 mins
In this episode of Accelerated Health with Sara Banta, I’m joined by Dr. Greg Vigoren, a highly respected Integrative and Biological Dentist with decades of experience helping patients achieve optimal health by addressing the critical link between the mouth and the rest of the body. Dr. Vigoren specializes in advanced dental care that goes beyond just fixing teeth—he focuses on how oral health impacts systemic health, chronic disease, inflammation, and even long-term vitality.
You can learn more about his work at www.drvigoren.com/about
We talk about the fascinating concept of the mouth-body connection, exploring how issues like gum disease, root canals, toxins, and dental materials can influence the brain, heart, gut, and immune system. Dr. Vigoren explains why integrative dentistry is transforming the way we think about oral care and how it can play a key role in preventing disease, boosting energy, and supporting overall wellness.
If you’ve ever wondered whether your dental health could be the missing piece in your health journey—or if traditional dentistry has left you with more questions than answers—this episode will open your eyes to what true holistic oral care looks like.
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You can learn more about his work at www.drvigoren.com/about
We talk about the fascinating concept of the mouth-body connection, exploring how issues like gum disease, root canals, toxins, and dental materials can influence the brain, heart, gut, and immune system. Dr. Vigoren explains why integrative dentistry is transforming the way we think about oral care and how it can play a key role in preventing disease, boosting energy, and supporting overall wellness.
If you’ve ever wondered whether your dental health could be the missing piece in your health journey—or if traditional dentistry has left you with more questions than answers—this episode will open your eyes to what true holistic oral care looks like.
Supplements Featured In This Episode:
• N1o1 Nitric Oxide Supplement - Lozenges https://www.acceleratedhealthproducts.com/products/n1o1-nitric-oxide-lozenges
Not sure what food to eat and avoid? This guide is for you.⬇️
📚 Accelerated Food Guide https://www.acceleratedhealthproducts.com/blogs/articles/accelerated-food-guide
📖 For health articles, podcast episodes, and more visit: https://sarabantahealth.com
⚕️To our nursing audience members, our podcasts qualify for nursing CE. For more information visit http://www.rnegade.pro/
🛒 Get 10% off supplements at Accelerated Health Products: https://acceleratedhealthproducts.com and use code PODCAST10
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Speaker 1 (00:12):
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Speaker 2 (00:31):
Well, I know you care about your health because you're
listening to this channel. And I know you're worried about
your chronic information, your disease, your maybe your weight gain.
But are you worried about your teeth and who is
working in your mouth and are they making the right decisions.
We're talking all dentistry today. Welcome to Accelerated Health of
(00:51):
Sarah Banta, where I cut through the noise fast track
your journey to better health. I'm your host, Sarah Banta,
CEO and founder of Accelerated Health product and certified by
the National Association of Nutritional Professionals. I'm here to share
my latest onun supplements, wellness hacks, natural health solutions that
actually work. From boosting energy to detoxing to balancing hormones
(01:14):
and everything in between. I will help you reach your
optimal health. So let's dive in. We've got doctor Greg Vigorin,
who has led an advanced dentistry practice in Newport Beach
for nearly fifty years, earning a global reputation for his
patient centered, long lasting, natural dental solutions, his expertise in
(01:36):
correcting failed restorations, which I'm sure there's a lot, and
preventing catastrophe dental issues. Most people come to him from Asia, Europe,
Middle East, and of course around the country. Welcome doctor Vigor,
and how are you today, Good.
Speaker 3 (01:54):
Morning, Thank you for having me.
Speaker 2 (01:56):
Well, I'm super excited because you always hear how well,
maybe your mouth actually has a lot to do with
the rest of your body. It's kind of like, well,
maybe your gut has a lot to do with your brain.
People are not putting things together. They most Western medicine
doctor the liver doctor takes care of the liver. Kidney
(02:16):
doctor takes care of the kidney, and they don't realize
everything's talking. So just like in holistic medicine, there's more
of the integrative dentistry. And that's what I'm super excited
to get into because maybe the traditional dentist isn't the
place to be. And so I want to first start
(02:38):
with your background and why this was an aha moment
and you kind of took a turn from just traditional dentistry.
Speaker 3 (02:49):
Well, I don't want to correct your lead in, but
when I go back, my very first patient was my mother.
All my patients in dental school, not all, but majority
of my patients in dental school were relatives, you know, brothers, father, mother, aunts, uncles,
(03:10):
and so from the very beginning, I was holistic integrated.
You know, I cared about my family and I cared
about their systemic health, and so integrated dentistry I've been
doing since the get go. It's just in the last
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thirty years. I was in the lecture when Jeff Bland,
a very famous nutritionists innovator, coined the phrase because at
that time, thirty years ago, holistic had a bad taste
among quote the regular doctors, and so he coined the
phase the phrase integrative health care or integrative medicine. And
(03:55):
so integrative by definition just means that you don't just
look at the teeth, You don't just look in the mouth.
You you take into consideration the entire body and and
it it can't be unintegrated. It comes that way. And
uh so, so you can't take the teeth and the
(04:17):
oral cavity and its health out of the health of
of the whole body. And you can't take and you
can't take the bodies health out of the health of
the of the oral cavity and the teeth. And so
they're they're inseparable and and they each have effects on
(04:38):
each other and looking at causation, which is what integrative, holistic, uh,
you know, all these names that people have come up
to to uh, you know, try to differentiate, but they're
really just labels and and so restoring of dentistry is
(05:03):
actually the most critical phase in dentistry and outcomes, long
term outcomes are are the way that you can evaluate
quality care and qualities like integrative, like best. It's just
too overused without seeing the proof in the pudding.
Speaker 2 (05:24):
Right, well, how are we in traditional dentistry not addressing
the root causes and just treating the symptoms When you're
when a dentist is looking at a cavity or a
root canal, what are they doing differently than what you
look at those things as well?
Speaker 3 (05:47):
It's old time dentistry just looked at holes in cavities
and they did silver feelings and they extracted teeth, and
then root canals came along and we can talk about
those later and then implants came along, But that entire
(06:09):
time and the connection between the gut and gum disease,
you know, people don't realize that gum disease actually starts
in the gut and it's caused by a breakdown of
the single cell layer that's the surface area of a
(06:30):
tennis cord that has seventy percent of the whole immune
system within a quarter to a half an inch of
that lining. And if you don't clean the same bugs
off your teeth that are causing inflammation that you cannot feel,
you don't know you have it in the gut lining,
your soft tissue, your gasket, your the shoreline around your teeth,
(06:57):
you know, where the gums the tissue hits. That just
reacts to the same bugs that it's fighting in the
gut that you can't feel. And so it's you know,
and that's a new concept. For years, we were taught
that it's a bad bug. We just haven't figured out
which one out of six hundred, and then when you
(07:19):
could do DNA analysis, we found out it was ten thousand.
And then we found out that the ponds come had
ten thousand, and the toilet had ten thousand, and the
sewer had ten thousand, and these ten thousand bugs have
lived on this world. You know, I don't want to
use Carl Sagan as a joke, but billions and billions
of years and you can't get rid of the bugs.
(07:40):
We're just uber for microorganisms, you know, and we spread
them around. And what saves us from these micro organisms
is having a healthy immune system. And so integrative dentistry,
integrative healthcare, integrative medicine. They're not so siloed, they're not
(08:02):
so myopic that they're really good at doing something small,
but they missed the big picture. And so you know,
to go back is what is integrated ministry. It's just
a label, but what it stands for is is looking
at the whole entity and how all these things interact biologically, neurologically,
(08:27):
you know, systemically. You know, it's all the same system.
And the thing that makes it teeth unique is it's
the one tissue in the body and in all animals
except for sharks, maybe that you don't grow new teeth.
You get the teeth that you have to live with.
(08:50):
And if you get your permanent teeth at age, the
first one's at six seven and the majority of them
at age twelve. Think of if you only got one car,
one transportation vehicle your whole life. Well, those teeth have
got to last you for eighty ninety one hundred years.
(09:11):
And so you can't do treatments that have five year
failure cycles on them or ten year failure cycles. You
have to do things based on predictability durability, and that
comes down, you know, if you want the inside ballgame here,
(09:32):
that comes down to attention to detail of use of
the microscope, use of high resolution surgical binoculars, use of
photographic equipment that can display and control the patient what
you're doing. That's different. Yes, you have to talk. You
(09:53):
have to stop me when I talked about.
Speaker 2 (09:56):
Well you have. I love what you said about. It's
the one part of your body that it is exposed
and doesn't regenerate because you know, there's so many people
with fatty liver disease or kidney disease or gut issues
like you're saying, but there's all of these ways to
regenerate your liver, or heal your gut, or get rid
of your brain fog, help your hair grow thicker, help
(10:20):
your skin, all of these things, but your teeth. That's it.
And I've always told my kids, I've said, look, whatever
you do, don't mess up with your teeth, because you've
only got that one set. So starting with that, what
should parents be doing with their children? Because the parents,
you know, their lost causes a lot of times, but
(10:43):
let's start with children. What should they be doing differently
than what their dentist is probably telling them to do.
Speaker 3 (10:51):
Well, you're starting at the beginning. You have to understand
that the bacteria that cause both gum disease, disease of
the soft tissue and decay are communicable diseases, and they're
transferred from from the parents generally to their children unknowingly.
(11:16):
And so the first thing is parents need to understand
it's transmittable, it's communicable, and if they have any untreated, leaky,
contaminated teeth in their mouth, the first time they turn
their back, the three or of the four year old
will pick up their toothbrush and mimic them and boom,
(11:38):
you know it's in the family. When I was in
the Air Force in Japan and we saw new recruits,
twenty percent of them had eighty percent of the disease.
Twenty percent of them had no disease, and the sixty
in the middle were somewhere in between. But what we
found was the twenty percent that had no disease. They
(11:59):
came from a farm out in Iowa and no one
in the family had any dental disease. You know, and
people are all the time saying that they have soft teeth,
or their mother had soft teeth, or when they're pregnant
their teeth went down. No, it's just it's a timeline
from the time that first toothbrush goes in their mouth
(12:21):
times the amount and not the amount so much of sugar,
but the frequency with which sugar was ingested. So you
can take a whole bowl of sugar and eat it
at one time. It's not very good for your it's
not very good for your blood glucose, but it will
cause in ninety seconds ten minutes of acid production. The
(12:46):
damage is teeth. Now, if you take a tea spoon
of sugar and you cut it in ten parts and
you take one party every ten minutes, you will get
ten times the amount of decay. And so baby bottle
carry is the worst thing that can happen to small children.
And that's when the child runs the show and If
(13:07):
you give them mother's milk, that's fine. If you give
them water, that's fine. If you give them juice or sugar,
they will scream until you give them more juice and sugar,
and you can totally destroy somebody's cheef. So baby bottle
carries is something that you want to avoid and you
(13:28):
want to understand that nothing comes in a bottle except
mother's milk, formula, and water, and no water for the
first six months. Water is toxic to newborns. So just
heard that four days ago. I afford four year old
or day old six son today. So if the dog
(13:53):
spark or you hear crying, we know what it is.
And I also I apologize I forgot to off my phone.
You don't need that on doer.
Speaker 2 (14:03):
So okay, the juice that always made sense to me.
And even back when I knew nothing and I had
my babies, I never gave them juice in a bottle.
It was always milk, it was bad formula, and it
was other things that I regret giving them. But okay,
So as they're growing up, is there anything preventative they
(14:25):
could be doing to their teeth to prevent any tooth decay?
Because as much as a parent wants to control everything
that a child's putting under their mouth or their immune
system and how strong it is. We want to protect
it from all angles if we can.
Speaker 3 (14:43):
Okay, well, two things would prevent eight ninety nine percent
of all future bacterial disease. That's what decay is. That's
what come diseases. They're bacterial diseases. And those two things
are right now. Typically child gets sent to bed when
the parents get to stay up, and it's brush your
(15:05):
teeth and go to bed. You're being punished. Adults get
to stay up if you flip that and go. If
you behave and get ready for bed, we'll brush our
teeth together and we'll read a book. Okay, you've changed
the entire bonding, and you've tied it to not only
learning how to read early, but learning how to clean
(15:25):
your teeth. And so now to get a little stool
and you get their little toothbrush and you're a little toothbrush,
and they brush their teeth and you brush your teeth,
and then they check your teeth with your toothbrush, and
then you check their teeth with their toothbrush. And if
you know, the parent has to know how to do
this and it's not hard. You can teach a three
(15:48):
year old how to do this. But most children learn
how to brush their teeth by themselves when they're three
or four years old, and that neuro pattern gets established
for the whole rest of their life. They brush their
teeth like their a three year old, doesn't matter how
old they are. So that's number one is education through
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learning how to control the bacteria on the outsides of
the teeth. And you have to do that once every
twenty four hole circle. You don't have brush your teeth
four times a day. If you get all the areas clean,
the pencil line, the shore line, the gum line, the
gasket clean on the tooth, just that knowledge would prevent
(16:29):
ninety percent of all future down disease. All right, that's
number one. Number two is all posterior teeth in all
humans have holes and cracks in them, developmental holes and cracks.
They're predictable. Everyone has them. And those holes and cracks
go right through the castle wall, right through the thick
(16:49):
hard structure the enamel of the tooth, right into the
inside of the tooth. The host is Twinkie, or the
twenty four hour buffet, as I call it. And if
you're a bug and you get a gig down one
of those things, you can have relatives in that hole
for the next eighty years. And every time you take
the toothbrush out of your mouth, those bugs go, toothbrush
(17:10):
is gone and they repopulate the mouth. So if you
intervene with restorative dentistry, and this was considered very aggressive
when I started it, and that's part of the reason
why I was so focused on photography is I knew
if somebody saw what I was doing another dentist, that
(17:31):
they would want my license revoked and have me hanged. Okay,
because it was so it was such a heresy to
go into a tooth that didn't have a hole big
enough that the patient could stick their tongue in it. Well,
that's like waiting for a house to fall into a sinkhole.
(17:52):
And so if you open these teeth up under high
magnification with microburger, you can almost do this without any anesthetic.
But right when you take out, the final decay that's
left in the inside at the host is Twinkie buffet level.
(18:17):
Children can feel that sometimes, and so we do a
ceilant on seven year olds that doesn't take any anesthetic.
You just lop it on. It doesn't work very well
for more than three to five years, but it gets
them from age seven to age fourteen with minimal decay.
Then when their permanent teeth come in, when their permanent
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teeth come in from age twelve to sixteen eighteen, we
open up all of these holes and cracks and bond
them all shut. It's the most cost effective dentistry in
fifty five years. It beats everything because it stops between
(19:04):
fifty and one hundred thousand dollars worth of future dental
care on that person over the lifetime, all right. And
if they don't live as long because they don't have
good dental health, it doesn't cost me as much, but
they don't live as long, okay. And so if you
do the education part early, and it's real simple, you
(19:27):
have to know every hygienis knows how to do this,
Every paradonis knows how to do this. Every dentist should
be instructing this, but there's no billing codes for it,
and so nobody does it. And so the education part
very important. Filling the cracks in the holes that serve
as the reservoirs that recede the mouth with disease. Every
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time you take the toothbrush out of your mouth. No
matter how good a job you do, you do those
two things. You know, I have three children, total of
one hundred and eighteen years they've had their teeth in
their mouths. Not their ages, but cumulative number of years
they've had teeth in their mouths eighty four teeth, one filling. Wow.
(20:18):
I've been doing this for forty five years now, and
I've done it to literally tens of thousands of children
and adults. And I'm now seeing the grandchildren of the
original parents whose children I treated, and then I'm treating
(20:40):
now the grandchildren because they haven't any dental disease. Now,
it's a really bad model for practicing dentists because you're
eliminating your work. But I don't really care about that.
There's more than enough work. If we eliminated all future
dental disease and made all the best decisions for our patients,
(21:03):
there would be enough dentistry for the children that are
just born to be dentists the whole rest of their life. Okay,
but it would save you know, just the us. It
would save you know, two or three hundred million dollars
a year.
Speaker 2 (21:21):
Well, no one wants to hear you because they don't
have The dentists want their business.
Speaker 3 (21:25):
So there are many things that the dentists can do
that are more in the patient's best interests than what
they do. And now we're going back to integrative health care,
integrated medicine, integrative dentistry. The whole goal here is the
very best dentistry is no dentistry at all. Right, it's
(21:47):
preventing the need for dentistry. And if we can move
into those areas, our patients are healthier. Systemically, they're healthier.
They don't just live longer. You can show that when
somebody is getting the very highest quality of don't care,
(22:08):
they live one to two decades longer just looking at
their gums and their teeth.
Speaker 2 (22:14):
So I want to go there, How is what is
in your mouth affecting the rest of your body? Because
some people will say, you know what, I'm just going
to get the fake teeth and it doesn't matter. But
I'm really worried about my chronic inflammation. My immune system's low,
(22:34):
I'm gaining weight out of nowhere, I've got hormonal issues,
I've got gut issues. How is what's going on in
their mouth affecting the rest of their body.
Speaker 3 (22:44):
Well, I can't take care of all those other things.
It's not covered by my license. But I understand that
the gum tissue that seals up against the tooth when
it's healthy, it doesn't leave. When the gut is unhealthy
and you're not taking the bio film off daily, effectively,
that gum tissue leaks, and so you have bacterial access
(23:08):
to the whole blood vascular system when you have a
cavity in the top of the tooth. Remember I talked
about that host is Twinkie inside the twenty four hour
buffet that's directly connected to the inside of the tooth,
the blood vascular system, and so you're constantly fighting that
little skirmish and the skirmish around the gums, and you know,
(23:32):
and I just I want to do another podcast on
bad root canals. But everything you've ever heard about bad
root canals is absolutely true. If you insert poorly done,
you can't believe the number of root canals alter that
are poorly done, poorly sealed, or contaminated. And you know,
(23:59):
we can go in to that. But when you get
a well sealed, well cleaned well done root canal. You
can follow that with canal for fifty years and there's
no The indicator that it's biologically bad when you're talking
about biologic chemistry is how close the bone will grow
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to the end of the root. And when a tooth
first hurts, it's the inside of the tissue that's dying,
and the nerve is outside of the tissue, okay, and
so the nerve is the last thing to die, and
so that's the initial toothache, and it can be very severe.
It can be one of the most painful things that
you can go through. But after about two weeks of suffering,
(24:45):
it stops hurting. Well, that's when the tissue inside liquefies
and it comes bacterially contaminated generally, and then it starts
leaking out the root into the bone, and then you
can get a secondary bony infection. And so these are
around the tooth, the gum line, through the tooth, and
(25:06):
out the end of the root in abscess teeth. Are
the three ways that we're fighting bacterial infection continuously. And
those aren't those aren't you know? On bad days? Those
are twenty four seven, three sixty five your entire life
and that's why, that's why it's cumulative. The you know,
(25:27):
you're just wasting, You're wasting immune system and energy to
fight something that can be totally controlled right.
Speaker 2 (25:35):
Well, And I always say that if your immune system
is fighting something over here, then it's not strong enough
to fight a bigger threat that is coming after you,
whether it's the cold or virus that's going around or
what have you. But I do want to dive deeper
into the root canals. What is a bad root canal?
(25:56):
And you had mentioned that the pain will actually go away,
but even though the infection is getting worse, can you
explain it.
Speaker 3 (26:05):
The going up the root as it matures and the
canal gets smaller and smaller. At the very end of
the root, there's only enough room for a blood vessel
arguri in a vein and nerve to go in. Now,
if you get swelling inside that pulp tissue that inside
(26:26):
of the tooth the root canal chamber, that swelling blocks
the blood supply and the tissue inside eventually dies. But
since the neuron is in the brain, just the end
of the neuron dies and that takes you know, like
(26:49):
I said, two or three weeks, and once it dies
it comes back to the end of the root, and
now it doesn't hurt until you get an infection outside
of the root is destroying bone, and that may not
hurt if there isn't a bug in there that causes
swelling and inflammation. So you can have an abscessed tooth
(27:11):
that doesn't hurt at all. A tooth can absess all
by itself or die all by itself. Ninety percent of
the teeth that come to my office because they have
a sensitive tooth, and I hate doing root canals. Okay,
it's my least favorite procedure, but I do a lot
of them because so many of them are contaminated. But
(27:34):
back to nine out of ten people that come into
the office with sensitivity in their teeth, it's a bite
bruising issue that's causing a blood supply constriction, and so
if we adjust the bite and we put people in
a brucksing splint, those things go away. What's different. I
(27:59):
don't do a rook canil on it the first day
that the patient says I have a toothach. We unfortunately
put the patient that needed the root canal through more
time and they always say, well, why didn't you do
a rock canel the first day and I said, well,
the other nine people, thank you, so back to back
to root canals. And I was the first class at
(28:21):
USC with John Angel, who wrote the endo book. Before that,
there was no endo, you know, they just it was
kind of like, you know, just a pickup game. And
then they started an endo program and Ed Beveridge and
Ingele wrote the book that still used today. It's considered
the Bible and Endo. And I was the first class.
(28:44):
They didn't tell us. The class before us didn't get
endo training. And when I went to Japan to the
base with ten thousand DD ten thousand acted military, they
made me the base ended. Honest, I did more rook
cannel in six months than I would have done in
a three year graduate program. I told you I didn't
(29:05):
like to do them. So I come back and I'm
a restorative dentist. What's a restorative dentist. That's somebody who
restorative dentistry is the foundation of dentist school. It's the
foundation of dentistry. It's repairing lost damage and contaminated tooth structure,
you know, back to function. That's what makes you a
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functional dentist, a biologic dentist, is you use biologically compatible materials.
I'm sorry, we all do that. Biologic dentist, functional dentist,
integrated dentist, holistic dentist. It isn't about a technique, It
isn't about a product, It isn't about a special piece
of equipment, It isn't about It's about results that benefit
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the whole body. Looking at the whole body and its
influence on the oral cavity and the teeth, and the
influence of the teeth and the oral cavity on the
whole rest of the body. You know. I mean, anybody
can say they're an integrated dentist and I have this
new machine, you know, and we use this and this,
But the real bottom line on this is how long
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does the work last. We're actually micro engineers in Spit, okay,
and we're materials engineers in Spit, you know. And so
so you know, I basically say we're Swiss watchmakers, the
very best of the best. And by the way, the
very best know who the very best are. And it's
about Ja Kerr. So I'm going to go into how
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you would find that in just a second. But but
it's it's really about concepts, motivation and outcomes, long term outcomes,
and if you don't look at long term outcomes, you
do not you're not capable of evaluating best use of dollars. Value.
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Value is is costs divided by you know, five years,
ten years, fifty years. I have worked that I did
fifty years ago that is still in relative smouths and
it's kind of getting old, and we're redoing a lot
of this now after that many years. But that's the
majority of my practice is redoing contaminy root canals and
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redoing the patients that I treated twenty thirty forty years
ago that are now saying, you know, their tires are
just flat, their bald. You know you can't get two
hundred thousand miles out of a tire. You know you
can drive better, and you know I have the tires
aligned and have the right pressure in them. It lasts
a lot longer, but nothing lasts forever. And so the
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whole goal in of integrative dentistry, functional dentistry, holistic dentistry
is to try to make the dentistry, the restorative dentistry,
last longer than the patient. That's a Norwegian joke.
Speaker 2 (32:07):
So where I mean, I've heard you say that most
root canals are done poorly. And when you open someone's
mouth or you open reopen a root canal that another
dentist is done. Why are so many done poorly? Where
is it going wrong with other dentists?
Speaker 3 (32:26):
I can't tell you, because it's easy to teach someone
how to do it properly. But just just came up
this morning. I told you my mother was my first
patient and she was absolutely phobic. We didn't know why.
She said we couldn't use a epinephrine in the anesthetic. Well,
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that makes it. We're off in five or ten minutes.
And what I found out is when you put a
rubber dam on my mother, she couldn't bree through her nose.
This was this was suffocating her. And if you put
my mother back in the chair without a rubber dam
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and ran water in her throat, we embedded waterboarding. More
people are afraid of the dentists because of subconscious waterboarding
that they don't even realize. It's not the smell, it's
not the noise, it's not the shots. They can't breathe
through their nose, and when they put somebody on their
back and run water in their throat, can't breathe. Guess
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what the brain does not light to not be able
to breathe and not be able to manilate, and so
your autonomic nervous system puts all the bells off. Well,
we learned with my mother, don't do it in rubber down,
and I haven't used rubber damp since. And even though
the school requires that you do a rubber dam, Well
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that's great for a student, you know, because they could
kill a patient, you know, without an assistant. But we
have assistance. We have ice beat evacuators, we have all
kinds of other things. And it's supposed to isolate the
tooth so that it's sterile. You only need the tooth
isolated and sterile for about two minutes right before you
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dry it out and you put the sterile filling material in.
And a lot of the teeth that I restore have
no top on the tooth. In other words, it's flat
off at the gum line. And you know, conventional wisdom says,
well you have to extract that tooth it's non restorable,
or you have to do gum surgery to lower the bone.
(34:36):
And you know, so there's some tooth sticking up. Well,
I found out that wasn't true. And we've restored literally
thousands of teeth without meeting the criteria that the profession
and all the quote the experts say you can't do. Well,
We do that all the time, and we retreat teeth
all the time that have ten twenty thirty years of
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life expectancy based on not having any bony issues at
the ends of the roots, which is the epitome of biocompatibility. Okay.
And my other gripe is that nobody's done research that
shows once you take the tooth out that you haven't
screwed up the meridian. And nobody's done any research it
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says once you put an implant in, a titanium oxide
implant in, that you haven't screwed up the meridian. And
nobody has done any research that says zirconia is any better.
And people say, well, we're going to do zirconia because
it's it's not a metal. Well, they haven't looked at
the periodic table. Zirconia is a metal, Okay. And so
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you know, there's all kinds of myths, and sometimes you
just have to use critical thinking skills in common sense.
And I'll go up against anybody on these issues that
people would like me hung for or pull my license.
And now so many other health professionals are going out
in the weeds and finding out that there's information out
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there that's valuable for their patients. Then there's too many
of us now to go after all of us. But
we were If you were innovated, innovated, if you were integrated,
if you cared about the whole body, and you had
any opinions about these things where you knew the biology,
(36:26):
you knew the causation, but it didn't fit into the
reimbursement cycles, you were ostracized by your peers. You were
ostracized by other professionals. Yeah, let's say on ur canals.
But the last thing is, in that fifty five years
that I've been doing them, I've probably done somewhere between
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ten and fifteen thousand R canals. And of those, seventy
percent are retreatments. And of those, you know, so's just
say seven thousand are retreatments. Every single one of those,
when you owned it up, stunk. They were putrefied, they
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were contaminated. They were either done right through the contamination
or they were poorly done. They didn't get all the canals,
they didn't fill it well, they didn't seal it well,
or when they put something on it, that the final
restorative solution, whether it was a filling or whether it
was a crown or you know, some kind of a
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restorative process leaked or had contamination underneath it. And we
find that, we find out almost every mouth it's not
the material that's causing the problem, it's what was left
underneath the restoration. And now we go back to magnification,
high magnification, high magnification. Through photography. We can get the
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I work under four and a half power loops, but
I trained under a microscope. It went up to twenty five.
And once you learn how to do it and you
see what you were missing, you can go down to
lower magnification. But the camera takes a picture that displays
on the screen at sixteen power. And so most of
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my patients understand why we're doing things, why we're doing
things differently, Yeah, why the outcome is more predictable, why
it's worth the extra time and the extra money. And
if they don't understand that, you know, if they say,
just do what you want, Doc, you know you're the expert.
I say no, you don't understand it. I'm just slow
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and expensive, and I don't want to be a slow,
expensive dentist. I want to be a dentist that's doing predictable,
durable best interests of the patient dentistry.
Speaker 2 (38:55):
Well, that is what I love about you because in
the education, I mean, it's just like when you're raising
a child and you say, don't eat that junk food.
If you don't explain why, they're never going to listen
to you. But when you explain the why, then they
will follow through with what they need to do on
their part. We are out of time. I can't believe
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it already. Is there one tip that you would give
everybody in finding the right dentist? Obviously you in Newport
Beach and we'll give your contact information in a minute.
But is there something I mean, you go into an
office and you don't know if the dentist is the
right person for you. Is there something to give you
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a red light or a green light on who you're choosing.
Speaker 3 (39:45):
Well, magnification is probably the single most important key. Some
people have got eagle eyed twenty ten vision and they
have built in magnification. That's what I had in dental school.
I didn't realize at the time, but education a microscope,
a dentist that takes photography that will show you not
just the beginning and the after, but the in between steps.
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The in between steps are the critical ones that determine
how well the work class and how how much trouble
you have with it afterwards. And there are lots of
good dentists out there there. There there's nothing that I
do that I can't teach a dental student in an
hour to do as as well as it can possibly
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be done. And so it's it's not it's not rocket
science or brain surgery. It's it's uh, it's just following
proven guidelines for durability comfort set, UH, durability comfort function
and UH the best long term prognosis that you can get.
Speaker 2 (40:54):
Wonderful.
Speaker 3 (40:55):
Well, thank you very much for having me.
Speaker 2 (40:57):
Doctor Vigoran. Tell people where they can work with you,
find you and come and see you.
Speaker 3 (41:03):
Well, I'm in Newport Beach right on fashion Ellend Circle
in the Avocado Building. I just moved from a four
thousand square foot office into a seven hundred square foot office,
and so it's not as plush or as elaborate, but
you know, we do just as much clinical restorative dentistry
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as I did in the great big office, and now
you know, now I get to spend more time with
my grandkids in Idaho, but I'm still here. I love
doing dentistry, and I love coming to work every day.
I love the quality and the outcomes of the work
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that I do for my patients.
Speaker 2 (41:48):
I it is obvious, and thank you for all that
you've done for me and for my family and you, guys,
doctor Vigoran is the real deal. So thank you for
coming on today and sharing your insight. This is a
topic that so many people just don't understand. They just
go the dentist blindly and they don't know what they're getting,
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and they pay their money, and you know, it's a
huge part of your overall health. So thank you for
joining us today.
Speaker 3 (42:18):
Okay, thank you.
Speaker 2 (42:20):
I know it's not an exciting topic. Your teeth, your mouth,
but there's a huge connection to the rest of your body,
and I hope you took something away from today. Number One,
you've got to take care of your overall immune system
for your mouth to be healthy. And there's one supplement
that takes care of your immune system, boosting it. But
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you can also use it as a mouthwash. I can't
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all of the pathogens. You can switch it around your
mouth like a natural mouthwash, and you don't want to
be using regular mouthwash. You don't want to be using
fluoride and your toothpaste because it will kill your nitric oxide.
(43:03):
Make sure you go back and listen to my podcast
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to boost nitric oxide production. Because when you kill the
nitric oxide from using those products in your mouth, it
affects your heart and it will help affect your gut.
(43:23):
The PPIs for your acid reflux affecting your gut, and
it's also causing nitric oxide to decrease. So two supplements
that are absolute no brainers for your dental health and
your overall health is that one supplement I can't mention,
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Speaker 2 (00:31):
Well, I know you care about your health because you're
listening to this channel. And I know you're worried about
your chronic information, your disease, your maybe your weight gain.
But are you worried about your teeth and who is
working in your mouth and are they making the right decisions.
We're talking all dentistry today. Welcome to Accelerated Health of
(00:51):
Sarah Banta, where I cut through the noise fast track
your journey to better health. I'm your host, Sarah Banta,
CEO and founder of Accelerated Health product and certified by
the National Association of Nutritional Professionals. I'm here to share
my latest onun supplements, wellness hacks, natural health solutions that
actually work. From boosting energy to detoxing to balancing hormones
(01:14):
and everything in between. I will help you reach your
optimal health. So let's dive in. We've got doctor Greg Vigorin,
who has led an advanced dentistry practice in Newport Beach
for nearly fifty years, earning a global reputation for his
patient centered, long lasting, natural dental solutions, his expertise in
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correcting failed restorations, which I'm sure there's a lot, and
preventing catastrophe dental issues. Most people come to him from Asia, Europe,
Middle East, and of course around the country. Welcome doctor Vigor,
and how are you today, Good.
Speaker 3 (01:54):
Morning, Thank you for having me.
Speaker 2 (01:56):
Well, I'm super excited because you always hear how well,
maybe your mouth actually has a lot to do with
the rest of your body. It's kind of like, well,
maybe your gut has a lot to do with your brain.
People are not putting things together. They most Western medicine
doctor the liver doctor takes care of the liver. Kidney
(02:16):
doctor takes care of the kidney, and they don't realize
everything's talking. So just like in holistic medicine, there's more
of the integrative dentistry. And that's what I'm super excited
to get into because maybe the traditional dentist isn't the
place to be. And so I want to first start
(02:38):
with your background and why this was an aha moment
and you kind of took a turn from just traditional dentistry.
Speaker 3 (02:49):
Well, I don't want to correct your lead in, but
when I go back, my very first patient was my mother.
All my patients in dental school, not all, but majority
of my patients in dental school were relatives, you know, brothers, father, mother, aunts, uncles,
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and so from the very beginning, I was holistic integrated.
You know, I cared about my family and I cared
about their systemic health, and so integrated dentistry I've been
doing since the get go. It's just in the last
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thirty years. I was in the lecture when Jeff Bland,
a very famous nutritionists innovator, coined the phrase because at
that time, thirty years ago, holistic had a bad taste
among quote the regular doctors, and so he coined the
phase the phrase integrative health care or integrative medicine. And
(03:55):
so integrative by definition just means that you don't just
look at the teeth, You don't just look in the mouth.
You you take into consideration the entire body and and
it it can't be unintegrated. It comes that way. And
uh so, so you can't take the teeth and the
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oral cavity and its health out of the health of
of the whole body. And you can't take and you
can't take the bodies health out of the health of
the of the oral cavity and the teeth. And so
they're they're inseparable and and they each have effects on
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each other and looking at causation, which is what integrative, holistic, uh,
you know, all these names that people have come up
to to uh, you know, try to differentiate, but they're
really just labels and and so restoring of dentistry is
(05:03):
actually the most critical phase in dentistry and outcomes, long
term outcomes are are the way that you can evaluate
quality care and qualities like integrative, like best. It's just
too overused without seeing the proof in the pudding.
Speaker 2 (05:24):
Right, well, how are we in traditional dentistry not addressing
the root causes and just treating the symptoms When you're
when a dentist is looking at a cavity or a
root canal, what are they doing differently than what you
look at those things as well?
Speaker 3 (05:47):
It's old time dentistry just looked at holes in cavities
and they did silver feelings and they extracted teeth, and
then root canals came along and we can talk about
those later and then implants came along, But that entire
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time and the connection between the gut and gum disease,
you know, people don't realize that gum disease actually starts
in the gut and it's caused by a breakdown of
the single cell layer that's the surface area of a
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tennis cord that has seventy percent of the whole immune
system within a quarter to a half an inch of
that lining. And if you don't clean the same bugs
off your teeth that are causing inflammation that you cannot feel,
you don't know you have it in the gut lining,
your soft tissue, your gasket, your the shoreline around your teeth,
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you know, where the gums the tissue hits. That just
reacts to the same bugs that it's fighting in the
gut that you can't feel. And so it's you know,
and that's a new concept. For years, we were taught
that it's a bad bug. We just haven't figured out
which one out of six hundred, and then when you
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could do DNA analysis, we found out it was ten thousand.
And then we found out that the ponds come had
ten thousand, and the toilet had ten thousand, and the
sewer had ten thousand, and these ten thousand bugs have
lived on this world. You know, I don't want to
use Carl Sagan as a joke, but billions and billions
of years and you can't get rid of the bugs.
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We're just uber for microorganisms, you know, and we spread
them around. And what saves us from these micro organisms
is having a healthy immune system. And so integrative dentistry,
integrative healthcare, integrative medicine. They're not so siloed, they're not
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so myopic that they're really good at doing something small,
but they missed the big picture. And so you know,
to go back is what is integrated ministry. It's just
a label, but what it stands for is is looking
at the whole entity and how all these things interact biologically, neurologically,
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you know, systemically. You know, it's all the same system.
And the thing that makes it teeth unique is it's
the one tissue in the body and in all animals
except for sharks, maybe that you don't grow new teeth.
You get the teeth that you have to live with.
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And if you get your permanent teeth at age, the
first one's at six seven and the majority of them
at age twelve. Think of if you only got one car,
one transportation vehicle your whole life. Well, those teeth have
got to last you for eighty ninety one hundred years.
(09:11):
And so you can't do treatments that have five year
failure cycles on them or ten year failure cycles. You
have to do things based on predictability durability, and that
comes down, you know, if you want the inside ballgame here,
(09:32):
that comes down to attention to detail of use of
the microscope, use of high resolution surgical binoculars, use of
photographic equipment that can display and control the patient what
you're doing. That's different. Yes, you have to talk. You
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have to stop me when I talked about.
Speaker 2 (09:56):
Well you have. I love what you said about. It's
the one part of your body that it is exposed
and doesn't regenerate because you know, there's so many people
with fatty liver disease or kidney disease or gut issues
like you're saying, but there's all of these ways to
regenerate your liver, or heal your gut, or get rid
of your brain fog, help your hair grow thicker, help
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your skin, all of these things, but your teeth. That's it.
And I've always told my kids, I've said, look, whatever
you do, don't mess up with your teeth, because you've
only got that one set. So starting with that, what
should parents be doing with their children? Because the parents,
you know, their lost causes a lot of times, but
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let's start with children. What should they be doing differently
than what their dentist is probably telling them to do.
Speaker 3 (10:51):
Well, you're starting at the beginning. You have to understand
that the bacteria that cause both gum disease, disease of
the soft tissue and decay are communicable diseases, and they're
transferred from from the parents generally to their children unknowingly.
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And so the first thing is parents need to understand
it's transmittable, it's communicable, and if they have any untreated, leaky,
contaminated teeth in their mouth, the first time they turn
their back, the three or of the four year old
will pick up their toothbrush and mimic them and boom,
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you know it's in the family. When I was in
the Air Force in Japan and we saw new recruits,
twenty percent of them had eighty percent of the disease.
Twenty percent of them had no disease, and the sixty
in the middle were somewhere in between. But what we
found was the twenty percent that had no disease. They
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came from a farm out in Iowa and no one
in the family had any dental disease. You know, and
people are all the time saying that they have soft teeth,
or their mother had soft teeth, or when they're pregnant
their teeth went down. No, it's just it's a timeline
from the time that first toothbrush goes in their mouth
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times the amount and not the amount so much of sugar,
but the frequency with which sugar was ingested. So you
can take a whole bowl of sugar and eat it
at one time. It's not very good for your it's
not very good for your blood glucose, but it will
cause in ninety seconds ten minutes of acid production. The
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damage is teeth. Now, if you take a tea spoon
of sugar and you cut it in ten parts and
you take one party every ten minutes, you will get
ten times the amount of decay. And so baby bottle
carry is the worst thing that can happen to small children.
And that's when the child runs the show and If
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you give them mother's milk, that's fine. If you give
them water, that's fine. If you give them juice or sugar,
they will scream until you give them more juice and sugar,
and you can totally destroy somebody's cheef. So baby bottle
carries is something that you want to avoid and you
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want to understand that nothing comes in a bottle except
mother's milk, formula, and water, and no water for the
first six months. Water is toxic to newborns. So just
heard that four days ago. I afford four year old
or day old six son today. So if the dog
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spark or you hear crying, we know what it is.
And I also I apologize I forgot to off my phone.
You don't need that on doer.
Speaker 2 (14:03):
So okay, the juice that always made sense to me.
And even back when I knew nothing and I had
my babies, I never gave them juice in a bottle.
It was always milk, it was bad formula, and it
was other things that I regret giving them. But okay,
So as they're growing up, is there anything preventative they
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could be doing to their teeth to prevent any tooth decay?
Because as much as a parent wants to control everything
that a child's putting under their mouth or their immune
system and how strong it is. We want to protect
it from all angles if we can.
Speaker 3 (14:43):
Okay, well, two things would prevent eight ninety nine percent
of all future bacterial disease. That's what decay is. That's
what come diseases. They're bacterial diseases. And those two things
are right now. Typically child gets sent to bed when
the parents get to stay up, and it's brush your
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teeth and go to bed. You're being punished. Adults get
to stay up if you flip that and go. If
you behave and get ready for bed, we'll brush our
teeth together and we'll read a book. Okay, you've changed
the entire bonding, and you've tied it to not only
learning how to read early, but learning how to clean
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your teeth. And so now to get a little stool
and you get their little toothbrush and you're a little toothbrush,
and they brush their teeth and you brush your teeth,
and then they check your teeth with your toothbrush, and
then you check their teeth with their toothbrush. And if
you know, the parent has to know how to do
this and it's not hard. You can teach a three
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year old how to do this. But most children learn
how to brush their teeth by themselves when they're three
or four years old, and that neuro pattern gets established
for the whole rest of their life. They brush their
teeth like their a three year old, doesn't matter how
old they are. So that's number one is education through
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learning how to control the bacteria on the outsides of
the teeth. And you have to do that once every
twenty four hole circle. You don't have brush your teeth
four times a day. If you get all the areas clean,
the pencil line, the shore line, the gum line, the
gasket clean on the tooth, just that knowledge would prevent
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ninety percent of all future down disease. All right, that's
number one. Number two is all posterior teeth in all
humans have holes and cracks in them, developmental holes and cracks.
They're predictable. Everyone has them. And those holes and cracks
go right through the castle wall, right through the thick
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hard structure the enamel of the tooth, right into the
inside of the tooth. The host is Twinkie, or the
twenty four hour buffet, as I call it. And if
you're a bug and you get a gig down one
of those things, you can have relatives in that hole
for the next eighty years. And every time you take
the toothbrush out of your mouth, those bugs go, toothbrush
(17:10):
is gone and they repopulate the mouth. So if you
intervene with restorative dentistry, and this was considered very aggressive
when I started it, and that's part of the reason
why I was so focused on photography is I knew
if somebody saw what I was doing another dentist, that
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they would want my license revoked and have me hanged. Okay,
because it was so it was such a heresy to
go into a tooth that didn't have a hole big
enough that the patient could stick their tongue in it. Well,
that's like waiting for a house to fall into a sinkhole.
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And so if you open these teeth up under high
magnification with microburger, you can almost do this without any anesthetic.
But right when you take out, the final decay that's
left in the inside at the host is Twinkie buffet level.
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Children can feel that sometimes, and so we do a
ceilant on seven year olds that doesn't take any anesthetic.
You just lop it on. It doesn't work very well
for more than three to five years, but it gets
them from age seven to age fourteen with minimal decay.
Then when their permanent teeth come in, when their permanent
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teeth come in from age twelve to sixteen eighteen, we
open up all of these holes and cracks and bond
them all shut. It's the most cost effective dentistry in
fifty five years. It beats everything because it stops between
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fifty and one hundred thousand dollars worth of future dental
care on that person over the lifetime, all right. And
if they don't live as long because they don't have
good dental health, it doesn't cost me as much, but
they don't live as long, okay. And so if you
do the education part early, and it's real simple, you
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have to know every hygienis knows how to do this,
Every paradonis knows how to do this. Every dentist should
be instructing this, but there's no billing codes for it,
and so nobody does it. And so the education part
very important. Filling the cracks in the holes that serve
as the reservoirs that recede the mouth with disease. Every
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time you take the toothbrush out of your mouth. No
matter how good a job you do, you do those
two things. You know, I have three children, total of
one hundred and eighteen years they've had their teeth in
their mouths. Not their ages, but cumulative number of years
they've had teeth in their mouths eighty four teeth, one filling. Wow.
(20:18):
I've been doing this for forty five years now, and
I've done it to literally tens of thousands of children
and adults. And I'm now seeing the grandchildren of the
original parents whose children I treated, and then I'm treating
(20:40):
now the grandchildren because they haven't any dental disease. Now,
it's a really bad model for practicing dentists because you're
eliminating your work. But I don't really care about that.
There's more than enough work. If we eliminated all future
dental disease and made all the best decisions for our patients,
(21:03):
there would be enough dentistry for the children that are
just born to be dentists the whole rest of their life. Okay,
but it would save you know, just the us. It
would save you know, two or three hundred million dollars
a year.
Speaker 2 (21:21):
Well, no one wants to hear you because they don't
have The dentists want their business.
Speaker 3 (21:25):
So there are many things that the dentists can do
that are more in the patient's best interests than what
they do. And now we're going back to integrative health care,
integrated medicine, integrative dentistry. The whole goal here is the
very best dentistry is no dentistry at all. Right, it's
(21:47):
preventing the need for dentistry. And if we can move
into those areas, our patients are healthier. Systemically, they're healthier.
They don't just live longer. You can show that when
somebody is getting the very highest quality of don't care,
(22:08):
they live one to two decades longer just looking at
their gums and their teeth.
Speaker 2 (22:14):
So I want to go there, How is what is
in your mouth affecting the rest of your body? Because
some people will say, you know what, I'm just going
to get the fake teeth and it doesn't matter. But
I'm really worried about my chronic inflammation. My immune system's low,
(22:34):
I'm gaining weight out of nowhere, I've got hormonal issues,
I've got gut issues. How is what's going on in
their mouth affecting the rest of their body.
Speaker 3 (22:44):
Well, I can't take care of all those other things.
It's not covered by my license. But I understand that
the gum tissue that seals up against the tooth when
it's healthy, it doesn't leave. When the gut is unhealthy
and you're not taking the bio film off daily, effectively,
that gum tissue leaks, and so you have bacterial access
(23:08):
to the whole blood vascular system when you have a
cavity in the top of the tooth. Remember I talked
about that host is Twinkie inside the twenty four hour
buffet that's directly connected to the inside of the tooth,
the blood vascular system, and so you're constantly fighting that
little skirmish and the skirmish around the gums, and you know,
(23:32):
and I just I want to do another podcast on
bad root canals. But everything you've ever heard about bad
root canals is absolutely true. If you insert poorly done,
you can't believe the number of root canals alter that
are poorly done, poorly sealed, or contaminated. And you know,
(23:59):
we can go in to that. But when you get
a well sealed, well cleaned well done root canal. You
can follow that with canal for fifty years and there's
no The indicator that it's biologically bad when you're talking
about biologic chemistry is how close the bone will grow
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to the end of the root. And when a tooth
first hurts, it's the inside of the tissue that's dying,
and the nerve is outside of the tissue, okay, and
so the nerve is the last thing to die, and
so that's the initial toothache, and it can be very severe.
It can be one of the most painful things that
you can go through. But after about two weeks of suffering,
(24:45):
it stops hurting. Well, that's when the tissue inside liquefies
and it comes bacterially contaminated generally, and then it starts
leaking out the root into the bone, and then you
can get a secondary bony infection. And so these are
around the tooth, the gum line, through the tooth, and
(25:06):
out the end of the root in abscess teeth. Are
the three ways that we're fighting bacterial infection continuously. And
those aren't those aren't you know? On bad days? Those
are twenty four seven, three sixty five your entire life
and that's why, that's why it's cumulative. The you know,
(25:27):
you're just wasting, You're wasting immune system and energy to
fight something that can be totally controlled right.
Speaker 2 (25:35):
Well, And I always say that if your immune system
is fighting something over here, then it's not strong enough
to fight a bigger threat that is coming after you,
whether it's the cold or virus that's going around or
what have you. But I do want to dive deeper
into the root canals. What is a bad root canal?
(25:56):
And you had mentioned that the pain will actually go away,
but even though the infection is getting worse, can you
explain it.
Speaker 3 (26:05):
The going up the root as it matures and the
canal gets smaller and smaller. At the very end of
the root, there's only enough room for a blood vessel
arguri in a vein and nerve to go in. Now,
if you get swelling inside that pulp tissue that inside
(26:26):
of the tooth the root canal chamber, that swelling blocks
the blood supply and the tissue inside eventually dies. But
since the neuron is in the brain, just the end
of the neuron dies and that takes you know, like
(26:49):
I said, two or three weeks, and once it dies
it comes back to the end of the root, and
now it doesn't hurt until you get an infection outside
of the root is destroying bone, and that may not
hurt if there isn't a bug in there that causes
swelling and inflammation. So you can have an abscessed tooth
(27:11):
that doesn't hurt at all. A tooth can absess all
by itself or die all by itself. Ninety percent of
the teeth that come to my office because they have
a sensitive tooth, and I hate doing root canals. Okay,
it's my least favorite procedure, but I do a lot
of them because so many of them are contaminated. But
(27:34):
back to nine out of ten people that come into
the office with sensitivity in their teeth, it's a bite
bruising issue that's causing a blood supply constriction, and so
if we adjust the bite and we put people in
a brucksing splint, those things go away. What's different. I
(27:59):
don't do a rook canil on it the first day
that the patient says I have a toothach. We unfortunately
put the patient that needed the root canal through more
time and they always say, well, why didn't you do
a rock canel the first day and I said, well,
the other nine people, thank you, so back to back
to root canals. And I was the first class at
(28:21):
USC with John Angel, who wrote the endo book. Before that,
there was no endo, you know, they just it was
kind of like, you know, just a pickup game. And
then they started an endo program and Ed Beveridge and
Ingele wrote the book that still used today. It's considered
the Bible and Endo. And I was the first class.
(28:44):
They didn't tell us. The class before us didn't get
endo training. And when I went to Japan to the
base with ten thousand DD ten thousand acted military, they
made me the base ended. Honest, I did more rook
cannel in six months than I would have done in
a three year graduate program. I told you I didn't
(29:05):
like to do them. So I come back and I'm
a restorative dentist. What's a restorative dentist. That's somebody who
restorative dentistry is the foundation of dentist school. It's the
foundation of dentistry. It's repairing lost damage and contaminated tooth structure,
you know, back to function. That's what makes you a
(29:26):
functional dentist, a biologic dentist, is you use biologically compatible materials.
I'm sorry, we all do that. Biologic dentist, functional dentist,
integrated dentist, holistic dentist. It isn't about a technique, It
isn't about a product, It isn't about a special piece
of equipment, It isn't about It's about results that benefit
(29:49):
the whole body. Looking at the whole body and its
influence on the oral cavity and the teeth, and the
influence of the teeth and the oral cavity on the
whole rest of the body. You know. I mean, anybody
can say they're an integrated dentist and I have this
new machine, you know, and we use this and this,
But the real bottom line on this is how long
(30:14):
does the work last. We're actually micro engineers in Spit, okay,
and we're materials engineers in Spit, you know. And so
so you know, I basically say we're Swiss watchmakers, the
very best of the best. And by the way, the
very best know who the very best are. And it's
about Ja Kerr. So I'm going to go into how
(30:35):
you would find that in just a second. But but
it's it's really about concepts, motivation and outcomes, long term outcomes,
and if you don't look at long term outcomes, you
do not you're not capable of evaluating best use of dollars. Value.
(30:59):
Value is is costs divided by you know, five years,
ten years, fifty years. I have worked that I did
fifty years ago that is still in relative smouths and
it's kind of getting old, and we're redoing a lot
of this now after that many years. But that's the
majority of my practice is redoing contaminy root canals and
(31:24):
redoing the patients that I treated twenty thirty forty years
ago that are now saying, you know, their tires are
just flat, their bald. You know you can't get two
hundred thousand miles out of a tire. You know you
can drive better, and you know I have the tires
aligned and have the right pressure in them. It lasts
a lot longer, but nothing lasts forever. And so the
(31:46):
whole goal in of integrative dentistry, functional dentistry, holistic dentistry
is to try to make the dentistry, the restorative dentistry,
last longer than the patient. That's a Norwegian joke.
Speaker 2 (32:07):
So where I mean, I've heard you say that most
root canals are done poorly. And when you open someone's
mouth or you open reopen a root canal that another
dentist is done. Why are so many done poorly? Where
is it going wrong with other dentists?
Speaker 3 (32:26):
I can't tell you, because it's easy to teach someone
how to do it properly. But just just came up
this morning. I told you my mother was my first
patient and she was absolutely phobic. We didn't know why.
She said we couldn't use a epinephrine in the anesthetic. Well,
(32:48):
that makes it. We're off in five or ten minutes.
And what I found out is when you put a
rubber dam on my mother, she couldn't bree through her nose.
This was this was suffocating her. And if you put
my mother back in the chair without a rubber dam
(33:10):
and ran water in her throat, we embedded waterboarding. More
people are afraid of the dentists because of subconscious waterboarding
that they don't even realize. It's not the smell, it's
not the noise, it's not the shots. They can't breathe
through their nose, and when they put somebody on their
back and run water in their throat, can't breathe. Guess
(33:34):
what the brain does not light to not be able
to breathe and not be able to manilate, and so
your autonomic nervous system puts all the bells off. Well,
we learned with my mother, don't do it in rubber down,
and I haven't used rubber damp since. And even though
the school requires that you do a rubber dam, Well
(33:54):
that's great for a student, you know, because they could
kill a patient, you know, without an assistant. But we
have assistance. We have ice beat evacuators, we have all
kinds of other things. And it's supposed to isolate the
tooth so that it's sterile. You only need the tooth
isolated and sterile for about two minutes right before you
(34:16):
dry it out and you put the sterile filling material in.
And a lot of the teeth that I restore have
no top on the tooth. In other words, it's flat
off at the gum line. And you know, conventional wisdom says,
well you have to extract that tooth it's non restorable,
or you have to do gum surgery to lower the bone.
(34:36):
And you know, so there's some tooth sticking up. Well,
I found out that wasn't true. And we've restored literally
thousands of teeth without meeting the criteria that the profession
and all the quote the experts say you can't do. Well,
We do that all the time, and we retreat teeth
all the time that have ten twenty thirty years of
(35:00):
life expectancy based on not having any bony issues at
the ends of the roots, which is the epitome of biocompatibility. Okay.
And my other gripe is that nobody's done research that
shows once you take the tooth out that you haven't
screwed up the meridian. And nobody's done any research it
(35:22):
says once you put an implant in, a titanium oxide
implant in, that you haven't screwed up the meridian. And
nobody has done any research that says zirconia is any better.
And people say, well, we're going to do zirconia because
it's it's not a metal. Well, they haven't looked at
the periodic table. Zirconia is a metal, Okay. And so
(35:45):
you know, there's all kinds of myths, and sometimes you
just have to use critical thinking skills in common sense.
And I'll go up against anybody on these issues that
people would like me hung for or pull my license.
And now so many other health professionals are going out
in the weeds and finding out that there's information out
(36:06):
there that's valuable for their patients. Then there's too many
of us now to go after all of us. But
we were If you were innovated, innovated, if you were integrated,
if you cared about the whole body, and you had
any opinions about these things where you knew the biology,
(36:26):
you knew the causation, but it didn't fit into the
reimbursement cycles, you were ostracized by your peers. You were
ostracized by other professionals. Yeah, let's say on ur canals.
But the last thing is, in that fifty five years
that I've been doing them, I've probably done somewhere between
(36:49):
ten and fifteen thousand R canals. And of those, seventy
percent are retreatments. And of those, you know, so's just
say seven thousand are retreatments. Every single one of those,
when you owned it up, stunk. They were putrefied, they
(37:11):
were contaminated. They were either done right through the contamination
or they were poorly done. They didn't get all the canals,
they didn't fill it well, they didn't seal it well,
or when they put something on it, that the final
restorative solution, whether it was a filling or whether it
was a crown or you know, some kind of a
(37:34):
restorative process leaked or had contamination underneath it. And we
find that, we find out almost every mouth it's not
the material that's causing the problem, it's what was left
underneath the restoration. And now we go back to magnification,
high magnification, high magnification. Through photography. We can get the
(38:01):
I work under four and a half power loops, but
I trained under a microscope. It went up to twenty five.
And once you learn how to do it and you
see what you were missing, you can go down to
lower magnification. But the camera takes a picture that displays
on the screen at sixteen power. And so most of
(38:22):
my patients understand why we're doing things, why we're doing
things differently, Yeah, why the outcome is more predictable, why
it's worth the extra time and the extra money. And
if they don't understand that, you know, if they say,
just do what you want, Doc, you know you're the expert.
I say no, you don't understand it. I'm just slow
(38:43):
and expensive, and I don't want to be a slow,
expensive dentist. I want to be a dentist that's doing predictable,
durable best interests of the patient dentistry.
Speaker 2 (38:55):
Well, that is what I love about you because in
the education, I mean, it's just like when you're raising
a child and you say, don't eat that junk food.
If you don't explain why, they're never going to listen
to you. But when you explain the why, then they
will follow through with what they need to do on
their part. We are out of time. I can't believe
(39:16):
it already. Is there one tip that you would give
everybody in finding the right dentist? Obviously you in Newport
Beach and we'll give your contact information in a minute.
But is there something I mean, you go into an
office and you don't know if the dentist is the
right person for you. Is there something to give you
(39:40):
a red light or a green light on who you're choosing.
Speaker 3 (39:45):
Well, magnification is probably the single most important key. Some
people have got eagle eyed twenty ten vision and they
have built in magnification. That's what I had in dental school.
I didn't realize at the time, but education a microscope,
a dentist that takes photography that will show you not
just the beginning and the after, but the in between steps.
(40:07):
The in between steps are the critical ones that determine
how well the work class and how how much trouble
you have with it afterwards. And there are lots of
good dentists out there there. There there's nothing that I
do that I can't teach a dental student in an
hour to do as as well as it can possibly
(40:29):
be done. And so it's it's not it's not rocket
science or brain surgery. It's it's uh, it's just following
proven guidelines for durability comfort set, UH, durability comfort function
and UH the best long term prognosis that you can get.
Speaker 2 (40:54):
Wonderful.
Speaker 3 (40:55):
Well, thank you very much for having me.
Speaker 2 (40:57):
Doctor Vigoran. Tell people where they can work with you,
find you and come and see you.
Speaker 3 (41:03):
Well, I'm in Newport Beach right on fashion Ellend Circle
in the Avocado Building. I just moved from a four
thousand square foot office into a seven hundred square foot office,
and so it's not as plush or as elaborate, but
you know, we do just as much clinical restorative dentistry
(41:24):
as I did in the great big office, and now
you know, now I get to spend more time with
my grandkids in Idaho, but I'm still here. I love
doing dentistry, and I love coming to work every day.
I love the quality and the outcomes of the work
(41:46):
that I do for my patients.
Speaker 2 (41:48):
I it is obvious, and thank you for all that
you've done for me and for my family and you, guys,
doctor Vigoran is the real deal. So thank you for
coming on today and sharing your insight. This is a
topic that so many people just don't understand. They just
go the dentist blindly and they don't know what they're getting,
(42:10):
and they pay their money, and you know, it's a
huge part of your overall health. So thank you for
joining us today.
Speaker 3 (42:18):
Okay, thank you.
Speaker 2 (42:20):
I know it's not an exciting topic. Your teeth, your mouth,
but there's a huge connection to the rest of your body,
and I hope you took something away from today. Number One,
you've got to take care of your overall immune system
for your mouth to be healthy. And there's one supplement
that takes care of your immune system, boosting it. But
(42:41):
you can also use it as a mouthwash. I can't
name it on here, but that one supplement kills viruses, bacteria, fungus,
all of the pathogens. You can switch it around your
mouth like a natural mouthwash, and you don't want to
be using regular mouthwash. You don't want to be using
fluoride and your toothpaste because it will kill your nitric oxide.
(43:03):
Make sure you go back and listen to my podcast
with doctor Nathan Brian on we use the eno lozenges
to boost nitric oxide production. Because when you kill the
nitric oxide from using those products in your mouth, it
affects your heart and it will help affect your gut.
(43:23):
The PPIs for your acid reflux affecting your gut, and
it's also causing nitric oxide to decrease. So two supplements
that are absolute no brainers for your dental health and
your overall health is that one supplement I can't mention,
but you can message me or DM me and I
will let you know what it is. And number two,
(43:45):
the no lozenges, both can be found at Accelerated Health Products.
Thanks for tuning in to Accelerated Health with Sarabanta. I
hope you got some insight. And some inspiration to take
that next step on your dental health journey. Head to
Sara Banta Health for your health articles and more. Join
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what that one supplement is.
Speaker 3 (44:09):
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Speaker 2 (44:09):
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