Dr. Sally K Norton: Are Oxalates Sabotaging Men’s Health?

In this eye-opening episode of Accelerated Health with Sara Banta, I’m joined by Sally K. Norton, a leading expert on oxalates, to uncover the shocking truth behind how oxalates may be sabotaging men’s health. 

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Speaker 1 (00:12):
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Speaker 2 (00:31):
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(00:53):
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Speaker 3 (01:10):
So let's dive in.

Speaker 2 (01:12):
I'm so excited to have Sally K. Norton back. She
is my guru on oxalates, those healthy foods that may
not be so healthy. But this time we're talking about men,
the men in our lives and I know a lot
of you are women, but we have those men in
our lives, our sons, our grandsons, our husbands, and they're

(01:36):
not getting the results they want. Sally, welcome, how are
you today.

Speaker 3 (01:41):
I'm wonderful, Thanks for having me.

Speaker 2 (01:44):
So I always laugh because my husband will say, why
aren't things working for me? I eat cleaner than everybody else.
Now he doesn't need oxalates, but there are other things
going on in the environment too. But there's nothing worse
then thinking you're doing the right thing and putting the

(02:04):
effort in and not getting those results. And we've talked
about oxalates in general. Maybe you can give just a
short recap of oxalates in general, and then we'll dive
into the men's health.

Speaker 3 (02:18):
Well, there's this natural chemical. There's a lot of natural
chemicals actually, that plants make, and the kingdom is just
loaded with them, and we haven't thought to pay attention
to it enough. And it turns out that some of
the most popular things that we think are so so
great for us have one that's particularly troublesome, oxalate being
that chemical that I've devoted my life to the last

(02:41):
decade or so because it is shocking and very real.
And the great news of it is that once you
get some education and make an effort to learn this,
it's in your hands. Like you really can't do something
about this. There are chemicals that are harming your health
that are much harder to handle, air pollution and micro
elastics and aluminium and heavy metals, like there's a much

(03:03):
more mystery around how much you're getting how much it's
affecting your health. But with oxlates we have much more data.
It's still not enough. We know the basics, like you
were seeing like go keto and you start using almond
flour like crazy, get permission to have more super dark chocolate,
play around with spinach is a kind of safety strategy?

(03:24):
Is there someth that those things backfire? And you really
touch the core of my home motivation as I feel
the injustice of those who are making an effort to
work on their dietary well being in the hopes of
longevity and high functionality throughout life, are damaging your health
by doing the right thing.

Speaker 2 (03:45):
Yeah, it's I mean, you go to the natural food
store and every green drink you can't even order a
green drink that doesn't have ox salts. It's like, okay,
going down the menu, Well, there's the spinach, there's the salery,
there's you know this and this and this and the other.
Interesting thing. I'm dying to find a protein bar that

(04:07):
actually works for me. And they all have some sort
of oxalates or lectins or inflammatory ingredient that you just
can't eat. And a lot of them are almond based
or nut based, and they're all trying to say, well,
we're the cleanest ingredients and we're all organic and we're

(04:29):
only sweetened with honey. But there's this glaring ingredient or
section of ingredients that really can disrupt your whole body.
So what generally do oxalates do in the body for
women and men?

Speaker 3 (04:48):
It's we could spend hours even talking about that, but
essentially it is a noxious, cell wrecking chemical that can
harm in your digestic system and get into your bloodstream
and start reducing the level of calcium or minerals in
your blood, which upsets electrolyte balance. It gets in the

(05:12):
cells and messes up the mitochondrial function and that's the
energy production and a lot more in the cells and
in the cells, that whole intercellular process of taking care
of itself is disturbed. The cells get into this oxidative
imbalance where they've got a lot of free radicals in them,
and that's causing more and more inflammation, so it's turning

(05:33):
on inflammation, and when it's grabbing the calcium, it can
form this calcium oxalate molecule that starts to collect into crystals.
So they precipitate out into crystals, particularly in areas we've
had lots of wear and tear in your body, or
infection or inflammation, a little cut here and there, a
little frost bite, anything just the days wear and tear

(05:56):
in your body, and there's dead and dying cells and
or new and regenerating sets, all of which seem to
facilitate precipitation into these crystals that sticks in that body.
So you start accumulating this stuff secretly silently for years,
and the ole you get people start getting into their
forties and start complaining about aches and pains and problems
and sexual performance and all kinds of issues. And it

(06:19):
could very well be that one of the major factors
is that we are eating this stuff so routinely from
the time we start eating solid foods, and may even
be born with it from our mother's bodies or from
the mother's breast milk. Doing have very early exposure at
brote critical times of development and be given foods like potatoes,
chocolate and peanut butter and childhood, and then when you

(06:42):
quit rejecting spinach, which was a brilliant thing you did
when you were little, now you're embracing it and adding
that into a mix of trying to be responsible adults
and eat a variety of foods and rainbow and this
kind of thing, and it's not working. I think men
used to be protected from this because they were kind
of the meat and potato crowd, and even though potatoes

(07:03):
are definitely a problem, they weren't really hip on spinach
smoothies and fancy diet regimens. Dieting and worrying about your
nutritional quality on your plate was much more in women's
purview in the eighties and nineties. But nowadays, this desire
to like not be fluffy and not get to man

(07:26):
bot and to be able to keep up and just
live better is you know, important goals. I'm so glad
men are embracing their health more than ever. However, we're
being misguided.

Speaker 2 (07:37):
Yeah, I know, I'd think that men are even more
misguided because they're not They're trying to make the right choices,
but they just assume if it's green, it's good. If
it's nuts, it's keto, it's great. Right, sweet potatoes are
great for you. So they're not really diving into the

(07:57):
research and the cutting edge trend of what things like
you're talking about like their women. So what is going
on in the men's body, the man's body when it
comes to oxalates.

Speaker 3 (08:11):
Well, the particular thing with sexual health is that glands
tend to get damaged by oxylate. Glands tend to be
an area that picks up a lot of it from
your bloodstream and it can't affect the testicles, and if
possibly affect how much testosterone is being made, it can
lead to long term damage in the testes that can
lead into benign tumors, probably promoting prostatitis and other kinds

(08:35):
of issues. And the sperm themselves, the production of sperm
is harmed, so the DNA and sperm, the sperm had shape. Now,
the sperm head is the part that punctures that egg
and makes it avy, and that sperm has so important
to fertility. Without the sperm head being functional, you're not
going to fertilize an egg, So you get morphology changes,

(08:58):
you get lower semen ejaculate volume, you get acidic sperm,
and you already have an acidic vagina, like you're ness
to add more acid to that environments, So none of
that stuff is helpful for fertility. So it turns out
maybe twelve million couples are struggling with fertility from the
man's side, and oxalate might be part of that story.

(09:20):
So if you're trying to get super healthy for your baby,
you're starting to do spinis, smoothies or salads or kto
or this or that, you could be backfiring your own fertility.
And there's you know that's heartbreaking.

Speaker 2 (09:30):
Yeah, and the processed food diet. So if someone is
having the typical American diet, did those processed foods have
as many oxalates as the spinach smoothie?

Speaker 3 (09:43):
Well, you could choose some processed food problems like pringles
and other potato chips, so those would be very great
source of oxalate. And things like Reese's peanut butter cups,
anything with peanut butter nuts, and chocolate potatoes. Those are
all processed food oxalates. But generally, it seems to me
and the people I meet, the people are living on
more like little debbies and mountain dew, and it's just

(10:07):
stuff that we know is not good. Have seemed to
be doing better than people who are downing these spinach salads.
And of course the more you try with spinach, the
less results you get, so you end up trying harder
and layer on like more hacks like oh, and it's
really it's so unfortunate because we've had this information since

(10:29):
the eighteen forties. We know that this chemical is bad news.
We just didn't know back then that potatoes were high
because we didn't have a good way to measure them.
Now we have much more sense about the early nineteen eighties.
We have a better ways scientifically of measuring oxylate and
food and getting to know that. But there hasn't been
any devotion from the nutritional or medical worlds to really

(10:52):
cracking this code and getting a sense of how much
exposure we have and figuring out how it's affecting our health.
So it's really hidden all across the medical literature and
no one's really brought it forward. It's really significant to
human health and it remains controversial that it's anything more
than kidney stones. Now men are more prone to kinney

(11:12):
stones than women. It used to be used to think
of kidney stones as like an old white guy's problem. Yeah,
but now many more young people are getting them. Of course,
you get one, you're more likely to have more and more.
And you can't build a kidney stone without the oxalates
from your food. It just can't, because it's made of oxalate,
and your body makes a tiny little amount that's not

(11:34):
enough to make kenney stones out of. It's this waves
of oxalate coming after some big dive into the potato
chip bowl or into the spinet smoothie world or the
keto muffin thing, and that is happening. You just never
put it together that your symptoms or your struggle could
be related to healthy foods. I mean, you're eating the rainbow,

(11:54):
you're doing fine.

Speaker 2 (11:57):
Right. So we're in a world now where so many toxins,
the ultra processed foods, the microplastics, all the things that
you mentioned, which I love that you mentioned that oxalates,
once you know about them, you can actually do something
about it. Whereas microplastics, I've got my organic cucumbers wrapped
in plastic. I mean, it's so hard to get away

(12:19):
from these other things going on. But it's the stack
of these things that probably I'm assuming makes it so
that you can tolerate less oxalates today than you could
maybe ten years ago the same person, just because of
the burden on the liver. So I wanted to talk

(12:39):
about how the body metabolizes oxlates. Is there a safe amount?
Is that amount less today than it was? Does it
depend on your current state of health or your genetics?

Speaker 3 (12:55):
Right? So, Oxalate is this oxalic acid ion that gets
absorbed in the water that you absorb from your food,
and a little tiny it gets produced by the liver.
So everything you're eating that gets into the bloodstream is
sent straight to the liver right away and hepatic circulation
and floods as liver cells with what you're eating. The
liver processes at all. And people think of the liver

(13:18):
as this detoxing organ that will detox the poisons and
handle the nutrients and do all this great stuff. But
it does not do anything. It does not metabolize oxylate.
It makes oxalate as an end product of the breakdown
of collagen and geveltin connective tissue. So as you use
your body, much of which is connective tissue, you break down,

(13:40):
certain amino acids become free, and one of them, called
hy hydroxy proleine, seems to be the main we call
precursor molecule that becomes oxalate to some degree, some small degree.
So the liver, after you absorb your oxylate from your
spiner smoothie, in a few minutes, it's right there in
the liver, and it takes a while through the stomach

(14:00):
and the small intestines as the stuff is slowly moving
into the body. So there's this period of four to
eight hours. Moreoxylate is flooding the liver and the liver
does not do anything about it. The liver is adding
more oxylate. So now the blood that leaves the liver
and goes back into the rest of the body. It
starts with the heart, so it goes right up to
the heart. Then that blood goes to the lungs to

(14:21):
get more oxygen, and then back to the heart. So
none of those tissues metabolize oxylate. They just get exposed
to it and down in capillary beds where you get
this exchange of nutrients and oxygen and hybrid dioxide and
so on. You have a lot of pressure and at
high pressure in the capilari reds is pushing oxalic acid
out there into those tissues, and some of the cells

(14:42):
are going to pick it up, so it's possible to
have accumulation and have even electrolyte disturbances or sell functional
problems there in those cells. So then it's going around
the body what we call peripheral circulation, and the kidneys
eventually pick it up and you excrete a lot of
it through the kidneys. And that's why we study oxolate
as a kidney stone problem, because that's where we see

(15:02):
it in medicine. Most Obviously, it's hard to deny a
kidney stone. Somebody comes in in agony, and it used
to be before you know antibiotics that a kidney stone,
which is really just obstructing the flow of urine. Stones
can form the kidneys and sit there for your whole
life and not move. But if you're in the tubules
that are getting bigger and bigger and moving towards the bladder,

(15:23):
it's if you blocking urine flow that's super dangerous. It's
toxic and it can cause infections to build. And it
used to be that kidney stones would cause an infection
that would kill you. And now you don't die from
kidney stones until you've got you know, so they can
tell or that you need an antibotic BEFF and they
just send you home and say it's a kidney stone,
go home. It's so common that they're pretty casual about it,

(15:47):
but it can be life threatening and it's obviously very painful.
But so there's there's really just excretion in handling. The
body handles, manages, tries. The good healthy cells try hard
to rebuffet, they try not to pick it up, they
try to move it on, but there's plenty of cells
that aren't really capable of doing that and tissues that
can't do that. So it's collecting. And because it loves

(16:07):
calcium and calcium loves it, it tends to collect in
bones and teeth, your jaw, your facial bones. It tends
to get into the brain. And one way it might
be getting in the brain it's through vitamin C because
it turns out you got too much vitamin C hanging
around because you've been taking in supplements and you got

(16:28):
way more than your need in your body. It just
degenerates into oxalic acid inside cells. So a lot of
us have brain problems related to oxalate, and it can
affect the eyes. It collects in the eyes, the brain tissues,
the connective tissues around the brain, the mouth, the teeth,
the thyroid gland. Almost all of us have oxalates in
our eyes and thyroic gland, and our bones and our kidneys.

(16:51):
Those are like the four top regions, but also are glands.
So that's not just your pancreas and your saliva glands,
which very much is, but it can be your testicles
and your ovaries and your reproductive tracks. So it's also
metabolically an issue. So you're saying, how does the body

(17:13):
metabolize oxyde? It really just tries hard to rebuffet, wall
it off, remove it, and if it can't remove it,
it starts to form ways of kind of hiding it
and bearing it in these little you might say, like
little super fun pockets, so they get wrapped up. The
crystals that form in your tissues get wrapped up in
dead DNA or dead white blood cells. So white blood

(17:36):
cells will come along and make a little like tumor
around the crystals, and eventually they'll stop building that layers
and layers of cells, they'll die off. They'll stop that
process and they'll wrap that dead white cells becomes a wrapper.
So you take kind of like electrical wire that's charged
and you better not touch it because it'll zap you,

(17:58):
and you wrap it in this vinyl coating so you
can handle it while it's still got power running through it.
That's kind of what we're doing in the body is
by wrapping these crystals so they can be buried around
and you have no symptoms necessarily, But in the meantime,
every acute meal is exposing your bloodstream and tissues to oxilate,
and that is a lot of stress in a system

(18:19):
and potentially a path to amazing number of problems. It
could be your urinary tract, bladder infections, frequent urination, having
to pee a lot. In terms of nighttime urination, you're
waking up at night, you end up with inflammation, processtyitis.
You can have pelvic pain, inflammation in the pelvis or

(18:40):
genital itching or that kind of thing. You can get
into anxiety and strange things with your mood, loss of motivation,
loss of excitement about life, difficulty thinking and learning, and
have some cognitive issues. Even young people maybe having trouble
picking up reading or enjoying reading. It could be from

(19:02):
something like this affecting the level of inflammation in their brain,
because basically this is a pro inflammatory turning up inflammation
at the cellular level and then up at the tissue level,
causing distrust and tissues and probably leads to tenninitis being
injury prone. So if you're athletic and like to like
go tough it out on the weekends with rugby or

(19:22):
anything you're interested in, oxley could set you up for
injury or stiffness or problems with the way your joints function,
and maybe sidelines something you really like to do, potentially
even leading to disability where you can't use your knees
or you got Planter feesh itis or something like this
frozen shoulder. We see all these things disappear on a

(19:45):
low ox late diet.

Speaker 2 (19:47):
Yeah, and you mentioned the thyroid and when you're talking
about the organs and the testes and the sex drive, vitality,
energy and men, I mean the hypothyroidism used to be
just a women's disease and a lot of men are suffering.
And if your thyroid's you know, sluggish, your testosterone's going

(20:10):
to be low, Your drenals aren't going to be functioning right,
You're going to be overly stressed with no energy. So
it's this cascade and domino effect. It's not just that
it targets your testes. It's this bigger picture. And my goodness,
if it's in if they're in your brain and you
have brain fog or depression, how's your libido going to

(20:32):
be then?

Speaker 3 (20:33):
Right?

Speaker 2 (20:34):
So it's all of these things kind of interplaning. So
what are the signs that a man would look for
and know that it's more oxoleates than something else.

Speaker 3 (20:50):
Well, the one obvious one that doesn't affect everyone is
a kind of cloudiness, a little bit of a paqueness
in the urine. So if you're peeing out a lot
of oxleen and it's crystallizing in the air, and that's
if it is, because most of the oxle that you're
peeing out is not crystallizing thanks to enough magnesium and
citrate in your urine, which you have low citrate, or

(21:12):
you just it's the way you are. You might see
cloudy urine. I've peed out cloudy urine since I was
a teenager almost all the time, and most samples I
turn in when I had medical checkup because it used
to be standard. I don't think they're doing it as
standardly as they used to. No one ever said, oh,
cloudy urine, potential crystal urea potential connection with diet. No

(21:34):
one said that, So watch for that. You can pee
in a jar and get a sense of if it's
sort of white opaque, or let it settle down and
see if you see little sense of fine, really fine glitter.
Because some of these, if they're big enough, they can
refract light, and that's why it gives you that cloudy appearance,
because the crystals are getting big enough where the light
bounces off of them, scaring the light passing through. So

(21:58):
cloudy urn would be one of them. I would say
if you get a sense, it's probably related to food
and you can't figure out how it could be. Like
what you know, You eat a good, clean, low allergy
sweet potato with some Swiss chart and that night you
cannot sleep and you're grumpy, and the next day you're
achy and your back hurts because your kidneys are struggling.

(22:18):
You never connect it with your Swiss chart and sweet
potato like Little Vegan Fast or whatever you tried to like.

Speaker 4 (22:25):
You know that.

Speaker 3 (22:26):
So the cloudy urine if you tend to get tarder
on the teeth or grit in the eyes. So sometimes
in the morning you can have excess of sleep that oxley.
It's coming out through the glands and the fluids of
the eyes. Not unusual because that's the way the brain
and the cerebral spinal fluid might kind of the toilet
of the cerebrals round blue. It would be these fluids

(22:48):
of the eyes and the the saliva gland concentrates oxley.
If you have a lot of oxley hanging around in
your saliva, you're more likely to have a tartar formation
in the back of your lower teeth. So check your
lower teeth behind there and see if you're getting a
lot of tartar. If you're having one of those people

(23:08):
go to the dentist three or four times a year
for tartar. You need to suspect your diet is the
reason for that.

Speaker 2 (23:14):
Those are It's not the sugar that the dentist always says.
You know you're eating too much sugar. It could be oxalates.

Speaker 3 (23:22):
Oh yeah, I strongly believe now through on sixty one
years of lifetime and this whole experience, that my former
problem with cavities, shallow cavities all over my mouth was
from the healthy high oxyleate diet that I accidentally did
as a kid too, you harb and tea. I used
to come home from school and fix iced tea. Iced

(23:43):
tea is really common in the summer too. Guys will
make like a half gallon of tea and sit on
it while they're out working on a project or something.
And it's just really easy just happenstance some of these
foods into your life, is some of your food friends,
and be poisoning yourself for decades.

Speaker 4 (24:00):
Okay, so tea, it's not all tea. It's it's black tea,
black tea, not herbal teas. None of the herbal tees
seem to have much oxydated. I mean, there's there's a
little bit in ginger tea, and what's the other one?
Maybe one other, but the hand alion no dana lines
comes out pretty good.

Speaker 3 (24:16):
Okay. So I think in some of these plants once somehow,
when we dry them and use the This is kind
of a hot water extraction process to build a tea.
A lot of the oxalatee is sticking to the plant
material and you're throwing it out with the tea leaves. Now,
if you grind up an herb, you're getting all of
it in the tea. If you're like, I don't know,

(24:38):
macha tea is probably a sort of a ground up,
but that's a green tea, white tea, black tea. These
are all from that same plant, the tea plant. It's
a camellia and modern like flower language, but that that
different degrees of like processing make it either green or
black or whatever. And those have ox decaf has a

(25:02):
little bit less because the decaf process removes both caffeine
a little bit of oxolate on the tea in just
that thirty seconds. The first minute thirty seconds to a
minute of brewing tea is where most the oxley gets
into the fluid of the tea, so you kind of
lower the caffeine and the oxalate. If you throw out
that first minute brew and use sort of a leftover

(25:24):
tea bag, you can still get some of the flavor
and reduce the but you can't buy that at the
convenience store. Most people nowadays are just running into like
the gas station and buying some tea. That's convenient.

Speaker 2 (25:37):
And I wanted to touch on that. What are the
most popular products or foods that men are going after?
Is it what's in the protein powders or the drinks
that they tend to drink, or you know, the healthy
snacks when they think they're doing the right thing.

Speaker 3 (25:56):
Yeah, well you touched on those kind of power bar
protein bars. I think you get more protein. And I
think a lot of these protein powders are chocolate based
or have a green base, or use a turmeric. Turmeric
is like, you know, another like health thing, but whole grain,
whole root turmeric is high oxylate and pretty bioavailable, meaning

(26:19):
quite a bit it gets into the blood. So the
chocolate flavors and notut anything, anything dipped in chocolate, anything
potato based, anything with tumeric, get it. That's that's the
family of problems that are really common. And unfortunately, like
peanuts and chocolate and other forms of nuts seem to
be in everything these.

Speaker 2 (26:37):
Days, and they taste so good. There's nothing better than
a Reese's peanut.

Speaker 3 (26:41):
Butter wh Yeah, absolutely. I mean it's one of the
most popular candies out there and they have like seven
versions of it now because it's so popular.

Speaker 2 (26:51):
Yeah, no one come up with the taste of a
Rees's without the chocolate and without the peanuts, and you'll
have a big business.

Speaker 3 (27:01):
Great.

Speaker 2 (27:02):
So, if we're eating our oxalates, should we just cut
cold turkey or what is the plan to detox from
these oxalates out of our body?

Speaker 3 (27:12):
Well, yeah, I get take some time to get a
little education. You can visit my website or see my
Beginner's guide or my book Toxic Superfoods and get a
sense of which food you tend to eat. A lot
of that are high oxalates. So do a little self analysis,
like how much tea, spinach, nuts, peanuts, potatoes, and pick
some low hanging fruit like things you can live without.

(27:32):
Most people can survive without Swiss chart beat greens and
even spinach if they really get up their courage. It's
so start with something like that, like I can skip
the spinach salads I really never like them anyway, and
find something easy and kind of pick them off one
at a time and take your time with it. Because
an abrupt change the body has been defending itself against

(27:54):
your high oxylate diet, so it's been trying hard to
not absorb it. It's been working hard to sequest and
hold on to it. But it's like you have some
recent oxalates right there that aren't deeply buried in those
kind of super fun site locations yet, and that loose
stuff can just start flying around and you can read
your oxylate levels in your bloodstream just from what's hanging
in your tissues. The tissues want to start un loading,

(28:19):
unburdening themselves, and if they all get on board at
the same time, you end up into a toxic crisis,
and that crisis could lead to heart a rhythmos and
other kind of blood pressure spikes that could land you
in the emergency room thinking you're having a heart attack
or a stroke. And it literally you literally can if
there's enough oxalic acid in your bloodstream, it can cause

(28:39):
such a drop in calcium, which is the key electrolyte
that helps the pacemaker work, that literally you could have
a heart attack called the heart block that can be deadly. Wow. Yeah,
So you don't want to mess with that. So by
going you know, kind of one at a time. We
give your body time to adjust and not encourage that
kind of expulsion crises in the body because there's no

(29:03):
reason to rush through this something. How I can tough
it out because you have no idea how much is
very deep in your ligamins, your tendons, your shoulder, your jaw,
your teeth, your brain, your femur bone. It could take
a decade or more. I'm still clearing oxalatees. I've been
doing this for twelve years, and I know recently I
had a little episode. I could tell my system was

(29:24):
like again working on my spine has been very damaged,
and I believe it's very much from the oxale high
oxalate diet with poles and pits in my betrival bodies,
flattened disks, stenosis, bone spurs, faset joined arthritis. There's a
lot of damage in there. The body's really designed to

(29:45):
heal so forever. As long as you're alive, you can
be as old as me and you're still healing. Right,
So as you're healing, the body is still trying to
get rid of this muck that's been interfering with bone structures,
tendons structures, and so on, and that process is inflammatory.
So the healing us as itself can bring up symptoms.
You know, I always talk about like a bug bite.

(30:05):
You got punctured by another animal that ended up leaving
some venom and other teptoxins in your body as they
were withdrawing a little blood. Right, So that's not so great,
and you don't slap it itch a little bit and
you're fine, and then the next day you have this
big welt it's itchy and driving you crazy, or you're

(30:27):
waking up scratching your ankles and bleeding on the sheets
a day or two later. And that's not what the
bug did. That's what your immune system is to heal
and get rid of that stuff and take care of
the damage. And so the healing process can be annoyingly
itchy and inflammatory and red and hot and disruptive and

(30:47):
wreck your sleep. That's how it works. With getting these
little oxley particles, and you know nanocrystals, microcrystals, junk built
up in your tissues is worse than a thousand bug bites.

Speaker 2 (31:00):
So when you are detoxine from heavy metals or pesticides
or antibiotics, you can take a binder to grab on
those toxins and take it out of your body more
quickly so you don't have the detox flue symptoms. Can
you use a binder for oxalates.

Speaker 3 (31:17):
Yes, and the main binder is calcium. Remember, oxlate and
calcium just can't resist each other, and that's the way
to get it out and that can really lower your symptoms.
If you're going through an issue, you need to be
for sure. Offering calcium and leaving some calcium in the
colon by taking it frequently gives a body an opportunity
to excrete through the colon successfully because when there's a

(31:40):
lot of stress going on, the kidneys are like, well wait, wait,
this is a lot of oxalate and it's making me acidic,
and then the colon chips and says, let me help
you and we'll get it out through the colon. And
having that calcium is helpful in that way and the
body is now able to if releasing oxoleate from your
jaw is going into your bloodstream and messing with your

(32:00):
calcium levels, if you have calcium in your intestines, about
to go, oh, I know where to get some calcium,
not the bones, but from the intestines because you just
eat some or took a supplement, so we preserve your
bones by doing that. It's also alkhalizing the inflammation that
this encourages. All this poisoning and then effort to deal
with it can be pro acidifying in the body, and

(32:21):
calcium is also neutralizing some of that acidity. Calcium is
the main one. There's a few ideas about some other
things that could support that, but that's the most fundamental thing.
It's using calcium.

Speaker 2 (32:34):
Well, I love that you've talked about the fact that, hey,
if we're trying to do it's we're trying to do
the right thing by eating these healthy foods. That's the
easy part to get rid of, right. Tell me to
stop drinking my spinach smoothie is actually a lot easier
then say don't have that dessert tonight, whatever it is,

(32:56):
a low oxalate dessert. These are easy fixes in a
world where we're being bombarded with some things that are
not easy fixes. And so in your book you take
people through what foods to pinpoint the symptoms to look
out for and how to detox Is that correct?

Speaker 3 (33:17):
Yes, yes, and share a lot of little stories from
people throughout to help illustrate how this can play out
in real life. Which is the whole thing is just
takes your brain cells, it spits them out and stops
on them. Because like, it's so different from the way
we're used to thinking about food and nutrition and be
thinking that, Okay, now I'm stop eating this. Shouldn't I
feel perfect now? But you may feel so perfect because

(33:40):
you may have ten years or maybe fifty years of
oxalate accumulation in your system and you're just as oxolate
poison as you are when you're eating this stuff. Now
we're asking your body to address these million bug bites,
and you could be turning on a process that can
have symptoms with it. So it's very important to stay
in the learning game with this. So it is fundamentally easy,

(34:04):
but there's aspects of this that are so counterintuitive. You
really need the support to keep thinking in this way
because there's a lot of distracting simpler ideas like eat
the rainbow. Oh, plants are great. Eat moderation, any moderation
one of my least favorite things to hear.

Speaker 2 (34:24):
That means I have to tell you a story. I
was at a restaurant. We were on vacation, and I'm
pretty clean even on vacation. I don't drink alcohol, and
they had this beautiful beat salad as well as as
one of the options for a side, and I thought, gosh,
I eat no oxalates anymore in my diet. My body

(34:46):
can handle this totally fine. For three days, I was
so bloated, I was coccipated. I was bloated, and I'm like, ah,
that was And it wasn't even the ice cream or
the deliciousness. It was a eat salad. I could have said, yeah,
I'm not even interested. So gosh, it's It's very because.

Speaker 3 (35:07):
It reminds me that another surprising thing about oxlate is
it can kill bacteria and mess up your biosis balance.
So the balance of the things growing in your goal
and can be shifted in a negative direction from oxalates
and foods. So the stuff you're not absorbing in your
bloodstream is still potentially messing around with your your kind

(35:29):
of microbiome, you know.

Speaker 2 (35:31):
And so then you're not even absorbing the other foods
that are not oxalates, all the nutritious because it's affecting.

Speaker 3 (35:38):
It is potentially promoting leaky gut and mal absorption syndromes,
and in that situation where the type junctions aren't working well.
That's because the cell itself isn't working well, and the
proteins in the cell membranes aren't shaped properly, and so
that interferes with the cell's ability to selectively bring in
the nutrients it wants, as well as selectively avoid the

(36:01):
toxins it doesn't want. And with leaky god or this
kind of gut inflammation, you get all kinds of problems,
one of them being is you become what we call
a hyper absorber of oxley. So once you get this
inflammation in the gut, it even doesn't even take a
very high oxley diet for you to become oxley poisoned
because you instead of absorbing fifteen percent of what you're eating,

(36:23):
that is, you know, fifteen percent of in your tea
or your food and tea is going to be one
hired fifteen percent anyway, but some fraction that gets in
could be tripled, quadrupled, or worse in terms of how
much is getting into your tissues.

Speaker 2 (36:39):
Well, Sally or I can't believe we're out of time.
Can you tell people where to find you, where to
find the book and connect with you?

Speaker 3 (36:48):
Yes, absolutely so. I have a website which is my name,
Sallyknorton dot com. That's first and foremost place to hook
up with me. You can sign up for a group
class which happens twice month and learn more and meet
other people who are recognizing this as a part of
their health. I have one book available in mainstream sources
only one that's Toxic super Food. You can get that

(37:11):
is it audiobook, a print book or an ebook, and
any book outlet will sell it, including Amazon of course,
but other stuff on Amazon that's just kind of scammy stuff.
Try to avoid it might say doctor Norton or whatever
that's not me. But on my website you can get
the Data Companion and you can get a cookbook there too.
The Data Companion is available in a print on demand

(37:33):
or is an ebook. Check out my YouTube channel for
some more stories from people. Several men have shared their
stories there. That's s K Norton YouTube and I'm occasionally
on Instagram too. Definitely check out my posts there. I
have a post from a long time ago showing the
men's health, what's going on with the sperm and the testes.
I also have a blog on my website and there's

(37:57):
a blog from I don't know July maybe this year
about this men's health question. So you can read and
see more of the references there. There's probably about twelve
references on that article.

Speaker 2 (38:07):
Amazing. And if anyone follows me and knows what I
talk about, I talk about eating wild animal protein, no sulfur,
and no oxalates. So this is right up my coaching
alley Sally, and so I love that you're speaking to
the choir and really emphasizing this important healthy food group

(38:27):
that we should be aware of. So thanks for coming
on today.

Speaker 3 (38:32):
It's so nice to have an ally sharing the good
news that you know, you don't have to eat spinach. Right.
I know.

Speaker 2 (38:44):
You get another food group taken away from you, but
these are the ones that are easy to get taken away.

Speaker 3 (38:49):
Right.

Speaker 2 (38:50):
You don't miss that spinach salad. But oxalates are a
big thing. I suffered from drinking too much tumeric thinking
it was really good for me, stones I had inflammation,
I'd get issues, and my girls would love to bake.
So when I said gluten was bad, it was all
about almond flour. Almond flower is concentrated almonds, Almonds and

(39:12):
spinach are the highest and worst oxalate offenders. Whether you're
a man or a woman. But what we want to
do today, as we were talking about not just the
foods and the oxalates, but the microplastics and other toxins,
is you really need to focus not only on removing
the offenders, but opening up the detox pathways and supporting

(39:35):
your body. And the number one supplement to do that,
your liver is your your master detox organ and that
is the accelerated liver care. This was a game changer
for me. My liver enzymes were through the roof and
within two and a half weeks, accelerated liver care brought
them down. And I pair it with my liver flesh

(39:57):
a cup, you know, I do it every six weeks
or so. And if you don't want to do the flesh,
you don't have to because the accelerated livercare is that powerful.
So I pair that with the accelerated Cellular detox powder
to soak up the toxins that the livercare is kicking out,
and it soaks them up to take the burden off

(40:19):
your body. So those two are my go to for
supporting your detox pathways as your bodies getting rid of
things like oxalates, microplastics, heavy metals all the thanks. So
thanks for tuning in today. I hope you got some
inspiration to maybe stop drinking the spinach smoothie or the

(40:39):
celery juice or use that almond flour. And you can
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