Jack Kinlan: Why You Can’t Lose Weight Until You Heal Your Liver

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Speaker 1 (00:12):
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Speaker 2 (00:31):
If you've been eating right, exercising and still can't lose weight,
the problem might not be your willpower. It actually might
be your liver. Welcome to Accelerated Health with Sara Panta,
the podcast that gets straight to what works. I'm Sarah,
certified nutritionis and founder of Accelerated Health Products. Here we
cut through the noise bring me the real strategies, powerful supplements,

(00:55):
and natural solutions that help you detox, boost your energy,
and back balance your body for optimal health. I am
super excited. I've got an old friend back at Jack Kinlin.
He's a holistic health practitioner and integrative medicine expert dedicated
to helping individuals undercover the root cause, imagine that of

(01:17):
chronic illness and achieving lasting wellness. I'm going to let
you Jack tell everybody more about your story and what
you do. But I think this is what is missing
in today's medical field, is finding that root cause. And
as we're talking about weight loss, people think it's about
calories and calories out and getting that extra burn at

(01:40):
orange theory or in the gym, and it's not. It
could be something that is your doctor's not catching. So
why don't we start with your health journey and you know,
why are you so passionate about finding the root cause
of chronic illness?

Speaker 3 (01:58):
Yeah? Absolutely, thanks for that. And probably the first thing
I'd say is that over the past two or three years,
as I'm diving into different health issues and different topics
that I'm interested in, I'll usually come back to YouTube,
I'll see your podcast and you're always interviewing someone who
has the same exact viewpoint or they've been looking into
that subject. One of the big people was Jay Feldman.

(02:20):
He brought on and he's one of the leaders in
the bio energetic space talking about the problem with calories
and calories out. And when I got into the space
of clinical nutrition, this is something I saw creep up
again and again with people who you know, some people
are looking to lose a lot of weight, but some
people are just dealing with a body composition issue. Right

(02:41):
They've gained their body composition has changed, and they're eating
fewer calories, they're exercising more, and they're really frustrated because
they're trying to understand what's going on with them. And
so that's where I've been trying to navigate and help
people with over the years, along with complex health issues,
syndrome type problems. And the way that I got into
natural health is really I was forced to get into

(03:05):
natural health, right. I grew up relatively healthy. You know,
I had some skin issues. Looking back, I probably had
some energy issues too as a child, and maybe a
little bit of a little bit of chronic burnout that
was hiding underneath the surface. But when I graduated from college,
I moved to New York City and I started to
notice that my vitality was dropping. I started to have

(03:26):
some immunity issues. I had two surgeries in response to infection.
I didn't know what that was all about. I had
a couple of antibiotics antibiotics courses that seemed to lower
my overall vitality and energy levels. And as I'm navigating
my first year out of college, working at a tech company,
living in a fast lifestyle, partying on the weekends, being

(03:47):
very athletic training for marathons. I'm starting to notice that
I'm kind of surviving. I'm not thriving, and I'm always
under the impression that I'm about to turn a corner.
I just need a few more nights of sleep right
to get my energy back. But little did I know,
I was basically headed towards a more serious health crisis,
and I just needed a couple triggers to uncover that.

(04:08):
And I got this. I moved into a multi apartment,
and then a couple of weeks later or like actually
a very water damage department. And a couple of weeks later,
during a July fourth celebration, I found a tick on
me probably been there for over a day, I didn't
know how long. And so these two sequences of events
led me to having this really extreme fatigue, like two
weeks later, very extreme to the point where I'm like, Okay,

(04:29):
now I have a health problem. Now something's up, And
you know, I went to conventional doctors. At first, we
figured it was line disease. We treat the line disease
for about a month with doctor cycle and I get
no improvement. And about a month after I had this fatigue,
I started having really extreme panic attacks, and I didn't
even know what anxiety was at the time, and so
I'm going from someone who you know, was able to

(04:50):
handle stress pretty well my whole life to having or
really been on the verge of a panic attack every
moment of the day. And that was when my health
journey re really started and basically my life change. I
went on to a different timeline at that moment because
I had to leave behind everything I knew and go
down this health journey. And you know, I went from

(05:11):
conventional medicine, which pretty clearly told me we don't have
the answers for you. Then I found functional medicine, and
that was a lot better. It seemed more over the target,
and still there were some missing pieces, right. We tried
to treat lime again. We did triple courses of antibiotics
for many months, and I got no better. And actually
I do think that led to some gut issues and

(05:31):
perhaps a prolonging of my chronic illness. And so it
gets to this idea of what is the diagnosis really,
what is at the root cause? Because so many people
are chasing these labels, these diagnoses, and that's where my
journey was. It's trying to go deeper and deeper into
the why. And so when it wasn't the lime disease,
we go to the mold, right, because my first line
made sense as a diagnosis. But then we're like, Okay,

(05:53):
you know, I'm doing my own research, my functional messine doctors,
digging a little bit deeper into my own life and lifestyle,
and I'm realizing I'm in a really water damaged department.
Maybe that's my problem because I was learning that mold
can really disregulate your immune system, and a lot of
people with CME disease actually have mold illness. And so
then we go after that diagnosis, right, and we do
a little bit of ozone, we do some binders, we

(06:16):
do some nutraceuticals. I move out of that apartment, and
I get a little bit better. Right. I go from
maybe being a two or three out of ten to
a four out of ten, and that's a modest improvement.
But at that point, you're still a four out of ten. Right.
I'm twenty four years old at the time, and I
feel horrible every single moment of the day, like huge
constellation of symptoms, and you know, life goes on. I

(06:37):
move out of New York city during the pandemic. I
go to Austin, I go to dcstut of Integrated Medicine
at Georgetown, and I was really on this path of
natural health. I believe that you could heal. I really
believe that. I believe that there was nothing wrong with me.
I just didn't know exactly where to go. I knew
about this idea of toxicity, and so I dove into
detox right. I did water fast and I did an

(06:58):
eight day water fast. At one point I did use cleansing,
parasite cleansing, heavy metal detoxes, fungal cleanses. But it would
be like a two steps forward, two steps back process
for me. And eventually I started having this idea that, Okay,
if my internal organs were functioning well, I wouldn't be
having symptoms, right. I sort of had this idea in

(07:19):
my head, and my acupuncturist would often tell me there
was something up with my liver. He said, you have
liver cheese stagnation. He would keep telling me that, and
a lot of my clients actually, when they go to acupuncturists,
I'll ask them, you know, what's the feedback from their acupuncturist.
So one of the most common things is liver cheese stagnation.
We basically have a society of people who aren't having

(07:41):
energy flowing through their liver. There's a blockage of some sorts.
And then I had another acupuncturist tell me, have you
heard about this thing called the liver gall blader flush? Right?
It's really helped me. Maybe she'll look into it. And
then I had other practitioners, energy healers, alternative people, my mentors.
They were sort of pointing me to my liver. And
as I learned more about the liver, I'm like, WHOA
like the livers. I didn't know how important the liver was.

(08:03):
We hear a lot about the gap, but the liver
is right there. It's the largest internal organ. It's like
the metabolic center of the body. So anyway, I buy
this book, The Amazing Liver and gall Boder Cleans by
Andreas Moritz, and he was speaking my language. I'm like, Okay,
this makes sense. I understand it. I read it two
times over, and like a lot of things, I wasn't
ready to pull the trigger quite yet on this technique,

(08:23):
and so I waited probably eight months, eight or nine
months before I did my first one. So I do
one liver flush, I do two liver flushes, three four
liver flushes, and after each one I would feel a
little bit better. Right, I noticed that there were some
improvements from that technique. It was like a sense of detoxification.
And then I would sort of go back to my
baseline of chronic fatigue, digestive issues, mental clarity problems, feeling

(08:47):
not at ease. And so I took a little bit
of a break, and then I did my fifth liver flush.
After a few months of a break in between, I
just had this complete breakthrough of my health and I
was like, I could not go back. I understood for
the first time there was this bottleneck with my liver
causing this whole entire cascade of symptoms and adaptations and

(09:07):
susceptibility and low vitality. And I basically spent two to
three weeks after this fifth liver flush in a state
of like euphoria. Right, I had, for the first time,
had my health back. I had my mental clarity back,
I had my emotional wellness back, and I felt really hopeful.
And so from there on, you know, there's been other
things that have been important in my journey remineralizing my body.

(09:29):
Frequency therapies like bioresonance binders, herbs have been important sunlight grounding,
but I would say a top two thing in there
would be this specific liver gall blader flush technique and
also just keeping up with liver detoxification. There's so much
downward pressure on our health that I would say for

(09:51):
the average person who well maybe not the average person,
but for the person who's actually serious about getting back
to a state of vitality, you we have to go
through this process of systemic detoxification at first, and then
maintenance detoxification. Right. There's so much of a focus on
adding things in, but we have to take the trash out.

(10:12):
The first step of any healing protocol is to lower
that toxic cloud. And I like that. You had a
guest on recently, I think it was doctor Cone, and
he was saying something. He was saying that you can't
fill a cup that's full, right, And that's such a
it's such a simple and truthful statement as it relates
to your health. Because we're so used to taking something

(10:33):
like we've got to put something in our body to
here what's wrong with us. A lot of that comes
from the pill for every old paradigm. But truthfully, you know,
when you go into the kitchen and it smells like trash,
you got to take the trash out back to the
root of the problem. You don't spray de breeze. Of
course it's going to be toxic, but you don't try
to mask the smell. That's so much of what we
do in conventional medicine, and even that has crept into

(10:55):
functional medicine a lot. So my goal, you know, I
shared my knowledge on TikTok social media and with my clients,
I'm trying to go back to sort of the traditional
belief systems around what what causes disease, holistic frameworks from
Chinese medicine, iervated medicine, American naturalopathy, European naturalopathy, and they

(11:16):
believe that, you know, there was basically two causes. There's
like low energy and toxemia, and everything else is the
body's attempt to rid itself of this. And as we
go deeper down the stages of toxicity, the body has
to adapt more and more, and so ten twenty thirty
years down the line, you have twenty plus symptoms, multiple

(11:38):
prescription medications, a whole host of labels and diagnoses, but
the root cause, there is a simplicity in what's actually
going at the root cause. It's going to be a journey, right,
It will be a journey if you want to go
all the way back, and there will be ups and downs,
but there is possibility to get your vitality back and resiliency.
And I'm definitely living proof of that, and so I'm

(11:59):
very passionate about sharing with people what I believe is
to be, you know, some of the truth around what
is ailing us.

Speaker 2 (12:05):
Yeah, and one of the symptoms that are just just
so prevalent, and you've got this diet and this died
and now some of glue tide and the weight loss
drugs and everyone is trying to tackle the weight loss.
We didn't have obesity at the rates we did do
now fifty years ago. Japan doesn't have the obesity rates

(12:28):
that we have. What is going on, it's not that
we're losing willpower. In fact, I think women today right,
and we're eating less, moving more, and we have gotten
ourselves into a spot where we can't eat any less,
and we can't move anymore, and we can't do anymore.
And it's just that's not the issue. The weight gain

(12:52):
is a symptom of a bigger root cause. And I
would even go so far as saying, well, if your
liver's backed up, your lymphatic drainage isn't working right. We're
talking about the bathtub. That is, the pipes are clogged,
and what happens when your lymph is backed up. You
get puffy, you get swollen, you can't take your rings off.

(13:16):
You have this belly fat that's not really fat. And
that's why it is important to actually use a body
composition scale versus just the scale in the bathroom. You
can gain five pounds just from water weight, the moon, constipation,
lymphatic drainage issues, your liver being backed up, all of that.
I mean, every time I do a liver flush, the

(13:38):
scale goes down a couple pounds just in the water
that my body is letting go. Now that water's going
to come back, but that's showing that it's releasing because
anywhere there's toxins, it's going to hold on to extra fluid.
And as you release the toxins, your body says, oh,
now I feel safe to release the fat and the

(14:02):
excess water and the inflammation that has been hell holding
that those extra toxins. So this is just one more
example of toxicity causing weaking. Now there's a whole lot
more that goes on there because the toxicity is backing
up the liver. So can you talk about weight loss

(14:24):
and the liver and that connection.

Speaker 3 (14:27):
Absolutely, so, there's so much to be said about that.
And with people who've gone down the liver cleansing rabbit hole,
we'll say I've gotten a lot of feedback from people
who were able to lose a lot of weight quickly
when they were totally stuck. They were totally platted out,
and they didn't make any changes with their diet. Because
what you alluded to is very correct. And when I
first got into a clinical setting working with people, you

(14:48):
had two different types of weight loss cases. Some people
are trying to lose like sixty eighty hundred pounds, they've
been overweighth their whole life. And you know, there's processed foods,
there's trauma, there's emotions, there's so many things that go
into that simil victom of waking. But the more befuddling
thing to me was the person who's eating all organic,
they've got a personal trainer, they are actually eating fewer

(15:10):
calories than they were in their twenties, right, So they're
eating less than they were, and they've got like they're
always complaining of five, ten, fifteen extra pounds that they
can't lose, and really a body composition problem, like they
don't like the way that they're fitting into their clothes,
they don't like the way they're looking. And I really
didn't understand it completely. And then I learned about the
bio energetic theory and this issue with chloric restriction not

(15:33):
really addressing the root cause, increasing cortisol, shutting down your thigh, right,
And then so we have this issue of people who
have more inflammation tend to be on thyroid medications, and
then they're trying to do these really extreme restrictive diets
just to manage the situation, but they're really just doing
symptom management. And down the road it gets a little

(15:53):
bit dubious and frightening in some ways because you just
restrict more and more and more and you have nowhere
to go. The body doesn't feel safe. So all right,
let's talk about the liver. So I'll give a few
different perspectives as to what the liver does. I'll give
a little Chinese medicine perspective ira veta Western physiology, So
the Eastern systems have a more holistic interpretation of these

(16:13):
organ systems and what it means on a metaphysical level,
what it means in terms of its relationship to other
things in the body. So that's an important perspective. So
Chinese medicine says that the liver is a key regulator
of metabolism. It says that, or maybe one of the
first the most key things it says is that the
liver ensures the smooth flow of chi throughout the body, right,

(16:34):
and so cheese basically energy, right, but it goes beyond
physical energy. It's emotional energy, and it's also moving the blood.
So a big part of weight gain is emotional stagnation, right,
And we could call that trauma, or we could just
call it unresolved emotions leading to this chronic elevated cortisol response,
which is one of the key mechanisms behind people having

(16:55):
extra weight and having extra inflammation. And so one of
the things you get from liver cutting, and I would
say actually maybe the primary thing as it relates to
chronic disease is a relief from these negative emotional states, right,
more of an emotional ease. I would say that was
the number one thing for me because frustration, anger, irritability,

(17:17):
these things can cause illness. But I also think they're
a result of chronic illness because people are spinning their wheels.
They don't know how to get better, and so they
build up these negative emotions, which sort of compounds the
chronic illness cycle. And so by clearing the liver, decongesting
the liver, you bring more emotional ease into your body, right,

(17:37):
So they're talking about the smooth flow of cheap They
also said that the liver governs your tendons and your joints,
and so just for flexibility and inflammation, finds in your
liver is really important. It's also really related to the
hips and the knees. So if you've got these chronic
knee problems, hip problems, we've got to look at the
internal organs. And then on like a metaphysical level, the
liver is related to governing your purpose, your goals, your dreams,

(17:59):
and if you want to achieve your dreams, if you
want to have clarity of vision, Chinese mediciners say you
have to have a strong, clear liver so Ierveda mirrors
a lot of what Chinese medicine says about the liver,
and then also says one really key thing, So they
focus on the digestive strength. Right. So Hippocrty said, all

(18:22):
disease starts in the gut, and Ireveda and Chinese medicine
are very clear about the importance of digestion for overall
good health. And so the liver and the bile that's
secreted from the liver plays a really big role in
your metabolism of food, right, So turning food into energy,
that's your metabolism, that's your oxidation rate. As the liver
slows down or becomes really just congested and toxic, the

(18:45):
rate at which you convert food into energy slows down,
your metabolism slows down. So Chinese medicine, Iervta, they were
extremely clear the liver is the key regulator of metabolism.
It's the fire element in Ireveda, and it's related to
things like weight gain, PMS, irritability, headache, so many different things,

(19:06):
overall inflammation. And then both of them talk about it
also being very important as a detox organ right, And
so we have this big problem which we'll get to
in a moment here with these estrogen mimicking compounds, which
are just one subset of the toxins that are coming in,
but they play a big role in the overall weight
gain crisis. So we got Western physiology, which is not

(19:27):
as holistic in his view, but it's very exhaustive. Right.
They said, the liver has over five hundred vital functions.
And when I study physiology in graduate school, and specifically
like nutritional biochemistry, you realize that it all goes back
to the liver. Right, Fats, carbs, and proteins, basically all
the food you eat, they're metabolized in the liver, which

(19:48):
the late person doesn't really know. It's like, okay, it's
metabolized somewhere in the gut, but really all of that
is going on in the liver. Right, So your metabolism
is your liver. If you're complaining of oh, I have
more of a slugish metabolism, it's not as fast as
it was in his twenties, A way to reframe that
is that your liver is slowed down. Right, it's not
functioning as well, and it's congested, and that's not going

(20:11):
to necessarily show up on a blood test right, alt, GGT, ALC, FOSS.
These liver enzyme readings, they're not super useful for understanding
actually the health of your liver, and they really only
shoot up during viral infections, a hute stress, alcoholism, things
like that, or some sort of late stage problem. So
we can't rely on those necessarily. Obviously, the liver is

(20:33):
very important with detox in western physiology, eighty to ninety
five percent of fat soluble toxins are let me just
move this a little bit of light in my face,
eighty to ninety five percent of fat soluble toxins are
bound to bile. And these are the toxins we're worried about.
These are the plastics, the micotoxins, the metals, the chemicals,

(20:56):
the ones you hear about in the news and you're
told to avoid. We have a for getting them out
of the body. But most people's systems of excretion, their
elimination organs, everything has slowed down, so you begin to
accumulate waste. And again, one of these things that people
are accumulating are these estrogen mimicking compounds. And so this

(21:17):
is where we get into the issue of weight gain
with people. Right, So again the picture I've sort of
painted here is that your metabolism is your liver. Right,
if your metabolism has slowed down and you're eating fewer calories,
you're exercising more, but you still don't have the body
composition you want. You're putting your food or energy from

(21:38):
food towards fat instead of you know, building muscle and
just basically having the shape of the body you want.
You have to look towards your liver. So there's a
few sort of key mechanisms I see going on, and
one of them has to do with these estrogen mimicking
compounds in the environment, all right, So these are the plastics,
these are the pesticides, and also a lot of metals

(22:01):
and chemicals are actually estrogenic in their chemistry when they
enter into the body. So for women, this turns into
all the things that are plaguing women weight gain, inflammation, PMS, PNDD, PCOS, endometriosis,
mood swings, all the things that you typically hear about
and that women are very interested in. And for men

(22:24):
it just appears as low testosterone essentially, right, they're testosterons
higher than their estrogen, but the estrogen's too high. So
the ratio becomes off, and so this just turns into
like apathy for men, weight gain relatively little drive in
life compared to their earlier years, and so that's also
a problem for men. So the body has a way

(22:44):
of excreting these estrogen compounds, and we got to think
of the total body burden, right, So as a woman,
you naturally have estrogen that you're producing that you need.
You have estrogen from food like flax and soi and
those are phytoestrogens. They're a little bit weaker, but they
still add to our total body burden. But then we
have this pollution crisis, right, and we have a lot

(23:06):
of these plastics, pesticides. They're unavoidable in many ways that
they are unavoidable, and a lot of it's coming from
the air we're breathing in. And so the liver is
able to get rid of these estrogens through phase two
liver detox glucuronidation, which essentially means the body takes vitamins minerals,
it attaches them to an estrogen compound and either that

(23:26):
is excreted through the kidneys or it is attached to
the bile, goes into the small intestine, large intestine, and
is excreted through the body. There are so many bottlenecks
in people's elimination systems that what I just described is
not actually happening. If you are having these symptoms, if
you have a lot of people will ask me, I mean,
we're so far from what is understanding what good health

(23:51):
is that I'll work with women and they'll ask me
whether there's severe PMS symptoms are normal, and I have
to tell them, no, they're not normal, but they are typical.
They are tip in this society, you know, is five
to ten pounds of weight gain normal. It's not a
normal part of human physiology, but it's very typical. And
it's basically an uphill battle to sort of go against

(24:11):
that downward pressure of the toxicity that we're experiencing. So
the big bottlenecks are that people don't have the right
nutrition on board. Their phase one phase two detox doesn't
have the right substrates and compounds to carry out those processes.
People are mineral deficient, right, so they don't have you know,
the copper, the iron, the zinc that's bound in the

(24:31):
right proportions in their body, fueling the energy systems the
body and fueling the different organ systems. Bile, which is
this substance that's so important for digestion, so important for
fat metabolism, is sluggish and people aren't producing enough, and
you know, people have bad dietary habits and they're eating
too much, eating too late at night, stacking in between meals,

(24:52):
and all this effect our secretion of bile. And then
also we have a big issue with gut dis biosis.
So if you have gut dis bios and bacterial overgrowth,
so you're going to be producing a compound called beta glucoronidis.
This goes into the system the liver has to process it.
It inhibits glucuronidation. So glucuronization again is the process by

(25:14):
which the body removes these estrogen compounds. So this is
why when you're working with someone like the liver's key
and then the guts super key, those are like the
big two for the most part, you have to be
working on them in tandem to get rid of this
internal toxicity crisis. And one of the things I tell
my you know, followers online and my clients that a
lot of the toxicity is actually coming internally. So once

(25:35):
you have gut dys biosis, every time you eat, there's
a toxicity toxicity crisis because the bacteria, the parasites, the candida,
they're feeding off this undigested food. They're spewing off ammonias
and aldehydes, and the food is putrefying and rancidifying, rancidifying
and fermenting. So this creates a toxicity crisis that then
the liver has to handle. But one of those main

(25:58):
byproducts is to gleukeroonidase. This shuts down the estrogen detox.
So again this total body burden of estrogen gets way
out of control for people. They have all the symptoms
we're talking about, including wake in and specifically, estrogen upregulates
lip bopright. Lip bo protein like this, right, and so

(26:20):
this is an enzyme that is responsible for pulling fat
into cells. Women naturally produce more of this enzyme because
they have more estrogen right, and lipoprotein light bays tends
to pull more fat into the cells around the hips,
the thought, and the stomach. So women naturally hold a
little bit more fat in those areas than men because
they have this higher estrogen load. As it is, when

(26:42):
we get this estrogen body burden that's off the charts,
the body composition starts changing in a way that is
not desirable for a lot of women and men included. Right,
they're getting, you know, weight gaining areas that they don't want.
They don't they're not fitting into their clothes the same
way they want, even at the same level of calories.
So this has to be repeated over and over again.

Speaker 2 (27:03):
You can keep the.

Speaker 3 (27:03):
Calories the same, but if the liver keeps getting congested,
you're going to have this body composition problem, which, to
be honest, unless you go down the path of liver cunsing,
is very difficult to fully get back to. Right. If
you want to get you know, if you're fifteen, you
want to go back to how your body respond in
your twenties, I'm telling you get on the liver cunsing now.
You'll get there, But you how you get on it

(27:25):
now because you need to renew your organs and decongest
them and get your detox pathways going again. So that
lipoprotein life based plays an important role. As estrogen increases,
we also see more water retention in the body. Right,
So higher estrogen is going to increase aldosterone activity, which

(27:47):
is going to pull sodium and water into the body
and into the cells. And so again this is where
you can see like the three to five pounds eight
pounds of fluid retention we might call lymphatic congestion, we
might call it puffiness inflammation, it's really fluid retention. And again,

(28:07):
at the same number of calories, you're still going to
have this fluid retention and it's going to be a
body composition problem. So whether you're looking to lose ten
pounds of really stubborn weight or you're looking to lose
eighty pounds of weight, you still have to focus on
this problem of a bottleneck in the liver, too much
estrogen in the body. So the estrogen plays a super

(28:27):
super key role. And then something that you've talked about
really effectively over the years is the thyroid, right and
the connection between the thyroid and the liver. And so
you know when you first learned that about sixty percent
maybe eighty percent, depending on what number you look at,
of T four is converted to T three in the liver,
I mean that changes everything. It brings you into a

(28:48):
more holistic view of the body, because your thyroid problem
is not just up here in your throat, it's it's
the gut. It's the liver. So T four is the
enactive form of thyroid hormone. We need it to be
converted to T three. If we have good levels of
T three, we're generally going to have a pretty good
metabolic rate, right, But if you're not making that conversion efficiently,

(29:08):
you're going to have at least functional symptoms of hype
both thyroidism. And from my testing doing hair tissue mineral
analysis and mineral bouncing, you kind of see that about
eighty percent of people are in this slowed down metabolic state,
whether or not their laboratory numbers are fine as relates
to their thyroid most people tend towards a hype both

(29:30):
thyroid state where they're a little bit more sluggish, they're
space here in their thinking. They tend towards constipation. They
don't have as much zest, as much get up and
go maybe as they did when they're younger. Right, So
there's so much downward pressure from the toxicity that people
tend towards a hypoth thyroid state. So most of that
dired hormone is converted in the liver, about the other
twenty percent is converted in the gut. So between the

(29:52):
liver and the gut. That's most of it. Some of
it's converted in like the peripheral tissues, but that's a
marginal amount. So as the T three levels drop, right,
and they're not penetrating the cells, then the metabolism slows down,
the body temperature falls, the metabolic rate slows down, and
you don't burn fat as effectively. Right, So if you
have a thyroid issue, you have to look at your liver. Right.

(30:16):
This is one of the things that is so overlooked
in conventional medicine. It's recognized in functional medicine, but the
question is what to do about it? Right, I think
you and I feel as though there's a couple of
good techniques out there to help reverse some of this.
And then one of the things that you know I
learned in the past couple of years is number one,
Cortisol is created when we're under stress. Cortisol obviously has

(30:39):
a lot to do with our body composition and how
much inflammation we hold, how much water weight we're holding onto.
Cortisol has to be inactivated in the body. I didn't
know this until like six months ago, but sixty to
seventy percent of cortisol is inactivated by the liver. Right,
So this constant irritability, this anxiety that exists in the
body for people, right because a lot of people are

(31:01):
dealing with an anxiety that is not just psychological, it's
an irritation in their body. This is what I experienced
after being exposed to mold. I mean, I had basically
panic disorder, but it wasn't a psychological form of anxiety.
It was in my body. It was irritation. And so
as the livery gets really overwhelmed, you're creating a lot

(31:21):
of stress hormones, but you can't break them down effectively.
This is really what I think is like from a
Western physiology perspective, is leading to the sleep issues where
people wake up between one and three am because they're
still had this free floating cortisol. It doesn't allow them
to get into a big parasympathetic mode or a really
deep parasympathetic mode later at night, and again it's leading

(31:44):
to sort of this low grade irritability, anxiety, and even
depression that to be honest, I think we see with
most people. The further you go down your health journey,
you keep looking back and you're like, WHOA, I was
kind of anxious and depressed. Right, it's just like this
free floating anxiety depression that a lot of people are
dealing with. And so much of your emotional wellness, so
much of your ability to go from parasympathetic to sympathetic

(32:07):
efficiently and then also make your way back, has to
do with your liver health. And then also the liver
plays a very important role in the efficiency of taking
sugar from food and converting it to glycogen, and then
taking glycogen and converting it back to blood sugar when
the body needs it. So if the liver's working really well,
the metabolic rates up, you can go in between meals

(32:29):
and feel pretty good. Your mental clarity is going to
be good, your physical stamina is going to be good.
You're not going to have really bad blood sugar crashes,
mood swings, food cravings. And that's a lot of what
I experience with chronic illness is like your blood sugar
is so off right, and it's not easy to correct. Right,
you can eat more often throughout the day, but then

(32:50):
you start overloading your digestion and you already have a
slow metabolic rate, So that doesn't necessarily feel like the answer,
and It kind of goes back to this idea of cleansing.
It really comes back to clems as a primary tool
to recover your health, because when the liver's working efficiently,
you're going to have smooth control of your blood sugar.

(33:10):
And as the liver becomes fatty due to undigested food,
lots of refined sugars, lots of refined oils, unresolved emotions, stress,
all of those things, it's harder for insulin to get
into the liver, and the liver's not as sensitive to insulin.
And then also the insulin's another hormone the liver has
to break down. So if the liver can't break down,

(33:32):
the estrogen and the progesterone metabolize, and the testosterone and
the corzol and also the insulin, we have this free
floating insulin that's in the blood. So if you have
a high fasting blood sugar and a high fasting insulin,
this is also a liver problem. Yes, it's a pancreas problem.
Yes it can be a lifestyle problem. And adrenal's problem.

(33:55):
The thyroids all interrelated with this, but this perhaps the
deeper I look into it, and just for my own
personal experience. I think a lot of this has to
do with the liver being the largest internal organ and
being the key regulator of your metabolism, right, So that
is the takeaways, the key regulator of metabolism. So when
liver function slows down and drops, we don't have as

(34:17):
good control of our stress hormones and our stress hormone bounce.
We don't have as good a blood sugar bounce. We
can't get rid of the estrogen mimicking compound, so we
have all these illnesses related too much estrogen in the body.
We don't have as much emotional wellness, and then we
start to have these signs of metabolic syndrome. Right. The
blood sugar conversation I think is really misunderstood because people

(34:38):
just think, like, oh, someone has a blood sugar problem,
that's because they're having too much sugar. They need to
go on a low car diet, they need to go keto,
and like, yeah, you know, you'll see that work for
a small portion of the population. I don't know if
it can really work long term for most people. But
it's not just a problem with the pancreas. It's not
just a lifestyle issue. A lot of this has to

(35:01):
do with a poorly functioning liver, and it's something that
happened over time, and it's not something that people can
necessarily account for the sort of toxic load that's pressing
down on them. But from my own experience, I mean,
there's a lot of truth to it.

Speaker 2 (35:17):
There's so many things that I mean, obviously we could
go on for hours, Jack, and that's why I love you,
because we speak the same language. But the feedback loop,
just for instance, when the liver's not working and it's
not converting T four to T three and the thyroid
then slows down. With a slower thyroid, you're not going

(35:38):
to you're going to have more constipation, so you're going
to have a harder time getting the toxins out. So
it's the it's like the double whammy, triple whammy, quadruple
whammy with all of these different factors. I cannot tell
you how many people email me saying, Sarah, I'm on
a ketogenic or a carnivore diet and my blood sugar

(36:01):
is through the roof. I am doing nothing different. That
is your liver.

Speaker 3 (36:06):
It can get worse over time too. Yeah, you see
people who go on carnivore or whatever. It's good at first,
and then they go deeper into metabolic syndrome.

Speaker 2 (36:14):
Yeah, and I love my meat, people know love. I
just had venison. I love my meat. But you have
to you have to take care of your liver as
you're doing it, because going vegan is not the right
answer either. And there's a whole lot of problems. That's
a whole nother podcast. But there's so many other mechanisms.

(36:35):
And then, of course it affects your mental mood, and
you don't think you're when you're depressed, You're going to
have more stress, which is going to then create more cortisol,
which is then going to create more liver problems. And
it's just this feedback loop. And so you have to
really address the root problem. And I'm with you. It's

(36:56):
liver and gut and then thyroid and those three things.
When you get those three things in the right position,
things just kind of move smoothly. You'll be able to
eat even more. You'll not have to work out as
much because it's not doing you any good anyway. And
all of these tips and tools that you are trying
to figure out, and that's why all of these these trends.

(37:20):
I just did a hot topic on the new internal
shower detox where people are drinking chis seeds with water
and lemon trying to flush everything out. That's not going
to work, people, That's not how you detox your liver.
That's not how you lose weight. You know, you might
lose you might actually make things worse, but if it

(37:42):
actually works, you might lose some water weight for a day.
And that's it. So Jack, I love having you. We're
going to have to have you back on because there's
so much more that we can dive into before we go.
Where can people find you and work with you?

Speaker 3 (37:58):
Yeah, so I've up a bit of a following on TikTok.
You can find me at Precision Underscore Healing there. I've
started putting videos up on Instagram and YouTube at Precision
Healing you can find me there, and then at my website,
Novaprecision Healing dot Com you can find me there. And yeah,
so I'm looking for people who are really looking to

(38:19):
get back to that state of resiliency because I know
it's possible. And as you talk about that feedback loop,
I mean one of the key things is that as
you go down the healing journey yourself and try to
guide people through it. There's very little benefit to chasing symptoms.
There's very little benefit to chasing symptoms because that's all
they are. It's a mechanism by the body to adapt

(38:40):
to stress or toxicity, and so we have to go
to the root of it, and so I run herit
tissue mineral analysis for people, mineral bouncing, and main approach
for people is get the minerals back in, get the nutrition,
get the spark plugs of the body going. Because a
lot of people are in a state of chronic burnout.
Look at the gut, and then there has to be
a period of systemic detoxification, and people need someone to

(39:03):
coach them through it, because a real healing journey will
have some ups and downs as you basically resolve and
release some of these kind of nasty chemicals, metals and
compounds that have been stored in your body even from
a very young age. Right, People don't understand that, you know,
sometimes events that they think caused their health problems were

(39:24):
just a trigger, right Right, So I thought mold caused
my health problems, It truly, in my opinion, was just
a trigger. I was waiting to have some sort of
health crisis because my energy kept dropping and toxicity kept
raising in my body. So I try to educate people
on this because you know, I think that's the main
role of someone who's who's guiding people through these health dreams.

(39:44):
They have to have the education so at one point
they can, you know, be able to take care of themselves.

Speaker 2 (39:50):
Amazing, Well, I love it. We'll put your links below,
and super excited to have reconnected with you as we
are so aligned, so thanks again for joining.

Speaker 3 (39:59):
Us about thanks for having me on, sir.

Speaker 2 (40:02):
He's speaking my language. Liver, gut, and thyroid, they're so interrelated,
and it drives me nuts and makes me so sad
when I see so many of you eating like eight
hundred calories a day and going to Orange Theory and
going to this exercise class and walking your ten thousand
steps with your weighted best. That's not what it is.

(40:24):
That's not the answer. And if you're taking hormones, guess
where those hormones have to be processed in your liver.
You've got to take care of your liver for these
things to even work for you. So this is where
the accelerated liver care comes in I do the accelerated
liver flesh detalks. Just did it this last weekend in

(40:47):
preparation for the new moon. Great time to do it
because in the new moon, the full moon, the parasites,
all the gunks starts to get activated. So I like
to cleanse during that time emotionally, physic and spiritually. And
I had some back pain and the liver cleanse got
rid of it because it takes care of the physical inflammation,

(41:08):
takes care of the emotions that were probably connected to
my back pain, and just takes care of the toxins
getting out that could be making those that pain even worse.
And in the liver flush detox is the accelerate liver
care and it supports that bile flow to get the
toxins out, to get the bad estrogens out for breaking

(41:30):
down those fats. Are you on a high fat diet
and it's not working for you, it's your liver. It
reduces the inflammation and oxidative stress. With the milk thistle,
blue clarum eclipta philanthis tie black ginger, other ingredients enhances
the fat metabolism and gets rid of those bad estrogens.

(41:50):
You want that bile flow to improve. I have a
family member who started taking four caps twice a day
the therapeutic and he goes, oh my gosh, what is
coming out of me? And I said, it's all these
toxins that have been building up. And he didn't even
do the full flesh. He just did the accelerated liver

(42:11):
care with the accelerated cellular detox powder. And that is
step number two. Such a priority. This was a supplement
I used to only take during detoxes. Take it every
day with the toxic load that we're under. And as
the accelerated liver care is releasing those toxins, the cellular
detox powder soaks those up, making sure they do not

(42:35):
recirculate through your system. Remember that that load just keeps
getting bigger and bigger and bigger. If the bathtub is clobbed,
you've got to make sure the stuff is getting out.
With the blend of the micronized zeolite, human grade dimonatious earth,
the vegan chitasin organic triphola, organic slippery elm activated charcole,

(42:57):
you're getting rid of the heavy metals, the plant microplastic,
the other toxins helping that inflammation in the gut. Supporting
that regularity, preventing the toxic reabsorption, So those two are
no brainers on a daily basis, and then going through
a liver flesh detox at least a couple times a year.

(43:17):
I like to do them every way eight weeks, and
I like to try to line it up with a
full moon or a new moon to get that extra
effectiveness from what the moon is doing to our bodies.
So the synergy of them removes the blocks so that
you can function properly and actually get off those plateaus.
You don't have to work harder, you just have to

(43:39):
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