September 3, 2025 • 49 mins
Feeling fatigued, stressed, bloated or have low libido? Regenerative Medicine Specialist Dr. Prudence Hall explains how hormone imbalances can throw your system off kilter, cause inflammation and lead to major illnesses. Founder of The Hall Center in Santa Monica, Dr. Hall explains the hormone composition of a woman's body and the differences between bioidentical hormones, which she advocates for a woman's health, as opposed to synthetic hormones. She is author of "Radiant Again & Forever."
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Speaker 2 (00:40):
Well, hello, and welcome to Fearless Fabulous You. I'm your host,
Melanie Young, and I am so glad you could join
me today. January seventeenth, twenty eighteen. We're in a new year,
and hopefully you're feeling excited about it, ready to rock
and really pursue some things that you promised yourself when
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you made that list of resolutions that you would pursue.
I am a big list maker, and I make a
list of resolutions. I always do between five and ten
and verat organized that way about what I want to
achieve for the year. Over the years, actually my list
is getting shorter. It's not that I've achieved everything I have,
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and I'm grateful for that. But I don't really like
to tax myself too much and stress myself out by
giving myself more to think about. And I tell people
that all the time. They ask me how I manage
to juggle all the different things I seem to have
my fingers in, and I'll tell you I'm a magician.
It sounds like I have my fingers and a lot,
but I really don't. It just looks that way the
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way I wave my hands in social media, But I
tell people I actually only give myself five things to
do every day. That's it. Five. And if I can
achieve five things, small and large, twitter just little things,
I'm perfectly happy. And if more needs to be done,
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I just say do with it tomorrow, because nothing really
is that important. I used to think everything was important
had to be done immediately, and in way I'm saying
that because in this day of digital media, it seems
like we're raising a generation of people where everything has
to be done asap eod end of day twenty four
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to seven, and there's no time to sit back and
say time out too Well, I'm going to tell you
now it's time to take time out and give yourself
that gift of time every day. It's so worth it
to do something for yourself. I've been programmed to always achieve,
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so just taking that time out has been a challenge
for me. But I'm learning to do it and that
is going to be a big time. We're going to
talk about stress and why it's important to manage stress
and how it can eat away your body and your health.
Today is one of the many topics we're going to
discuss with my guests. This is a really cool guest.
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I've read her book. It's called Radiant Again and Forever Now.
Don't we all want to be radiant always? Right? Well,
I learned a lot about myself and about ways to
deal with stress and anxiety and take better care and
also what resources are out there to manage it. My
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guest today is doctor Prudence Hall. She is founder and
medical director of the Hall Center, which is based in
southern California. It's a transformational health center that specializes in
the term is regenerative and integrated medicine. She's a pioneer
of this. She was actually trained in traditional Western medicine.
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She was a She was a gynd of collogist, and
she actually attended uc Berkelecy for her master's in Health
Sciences and then attended United usse University Southern California's Keech
School of Medicine, where she obtained an MD degree, and
then she did a residency at USC's County Hospital, attending
to the sickest and most needy women in Los Angeles.
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At the beginning of her private practice, doctor Prudence Hall
rapidly saw the urgent need to offer a more comprehensive
approach to health BINGO. She began addressing vital well being
as well as disease treatment BINGO again, and she later
founded the Hall Center in Santa Monica, California, focusing exclusively
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on what she describes as mindful medicine, rather than identifying
and treating diseases only of the physical body clients, thoughts, emotions,
and life fulfillment are also addressed as part of health
well I couldn't agree with that more because it's, you know,
doctors are taught to practice medicine and treat an illness,
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but really you're treating a person and sometimes that get lost,
Sometimes that get lost in the quotient. So we're going
to talk about her approach, which is extremely successful. The
forward to doctor Hall's book is by Suzanne Sumners, who,
as many Suzanne Sumners as you know, is the actress
and Three's Company who has went on to write many
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successful books addressing health and wellness. She also created the Bindmaster,
which I just saw on CBS Sunday Morning this weekend.
And one of her other clientele and doctor Hall's clients
from around the world who come to her often when
they have really feel like they are at their wits
end and they've given up, they feel old, they feel
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washed out, they feel life is over, and she really
helps them read Blossom. And I have to say one
of her other clients who did have a testimony on
the back of the book is Cindy Crawford. And let's
just talk about how great Cindy Crawford looks right now
and at her age. I think she's in her fifties now,
she looks like amazing. I think she's in her fifties.
I'm not sure, but it doesn't really matter because she's
ageless and we all should, babe. So I want to
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welcome doctor Prudence Hall, founder of the Hall Center and
author of Radiant Again and forever too, fearless fabulous.
Speaker 3 (06:16):
You welcome well, thank you, and I do believe in
fearless and fabulous.
Speaker 2 (06:22):
I truly do too. I truly do too. Absolutely well,
if you look at the cover of your book, you
radiate on the cover of your books, so you obviously
have found a secret sauce. Talk to us a little
bit about your own transition from western medicine to integrative
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medicine and why you believe this is a fundamental, important
philosophy of how you treat people.
Speaker 3 (06:53):
Well, It was really a necessity. What happened is I
I graduated from USC Medical School and then went on
and did it residency at the Kech School of Medicine,
which is USC School of Medicine. And worked very, very hard,
literally one hundred hours a week, if not more one
hundred and twenty sometimes one hundred and forty hours a week,
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and I thought I really understood the human body. I
could do a lot of stuff, including advanced surgeries. But
when I got out into my practice, my private practice,
women came to me and said things like, I'm depressed,
and I mean, even though I had taken a whole
psychiatry routine, I wasn't really aware of what caused depression.
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I thought it was really emotional stuff, and so I
would counsel them and very frequently put them on antidepressant
medicines like prozac, and there were a lot of side effects,
and it didn't seem to really get to a root,
core cause of what was going on. And women wanted
to lose weight and they felt like their mind was foggy,
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and I realized it was kind of scary. We realized
this in my first year. I simply don't know how
to treat the most common problems that women are asking
you to help them with. How do you lose weight?
I mean, you know, forty fifty pounds? You know? It
wasn't diet. I mean I came up with all kinds
of wonderful diets and exercise programs, and still they couldn't
lose weight. So I needed to do this, and I
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became a student again, and I've been studying, really for
the last thirty five years, how to be most maximumly
effective to help people to not only just not have
a disease like bronchitis, pneumonia, you know STDs, really how
to be fabulous And I love the word fearless, fabulous
and fearless, healthy, bright, sensual, you know, joyful, connected. So
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I realized that it was more than simply an absence
of disease or one disease. One treatment like an antibiotic
in medicine is not that.
Speaker 2 (08:55):
Couldn't agree more. And we know the root of the
word disease is disase. So in many cases, it's easing
all the other attributes around what the person is feeling
and making them feel alive again in their own bodies.
And I am curious because I'm curious because I think
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I do believe, and you really underscore this in Radio
Favor with that hormone deficiencies or imbalances are the roots
of many of the ills that we have, and in
women face and women in particular, have you know, more
complex hormones seems I feel. I feel like the things
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like the environment and the food we eat and other
factors are creating even more stress on our hormones. Let's
talk about that and kind of give us a little
tour of a woman's set the hormones that we're talking about,
because there's a lot, but there's some that really really
can kind of go out of whack and really impact you.
In the way you just discussed.
Speaker 3 (10:00):
Absolutely. So we have the corel hormones, and the corel
hormones are reproductive hormones, and that would be estrogen, progesterone,
and testosterone. And then we have our thyroid hormones, and
the thyroid is located right in the neck, as most
of us know, and those hormones would be free P
tree and three T four. Now you know, that's a
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very very important metabolic hormone. And then there's the adrenal hormones.
And the adrenales are these little life saving glands that
are located right above the kidneys towards the back, and
those hormones are DHA, pregnantlone, cortisol, and once again testosterone.
Testosterone comes from a number of different sources, and these
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glands work together in tandem to help us create thoughts.
They beat our heart, they make us they run our
whole body's metabolism, make us gain weight, to lose weight.
They it's very very important impact our thoughts in our
mind and how the mind actually functions. So every cell
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in our body is like a little receptor for some
type of the hormones, and some hormones like estrogen, well
They affect almost every cell the body. They affect the brain, cells,
the bone, the skin, the muscles, the uh of course,
the breast and the uterus, the bladder, the heart. So
without hormones, our body would die. We probably wouldn't even live.
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I mean really, if we lost all of our hormones,
we would die within a few hours because the hormones
beat our heart and we wouldn't have any impetus for
the heart to beat or to take a breath. So
the body is complex, but also it has its software,
just like a computer. You know, you go to that computer,
you're going to boot up, but there's no software. So
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when people say, oh, the hormones are bad, or oh,
you've got to be careful of those hormones, my response is,
hormones are your lifeline, and yes we have to be
very very careful how we treat them. We don't want
to imbalance them. We don't want them to be too high,
such as in highly stressed people, too low as in
depleted individuals. We want them to be just right, and
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that balance can be individual for each person. So it's
really it's a it's an art form, but it's also
a highly scientifically examined field of science. So it's a
wonderful field to be and I couldn't be happier to
have spent the last thirty thirty five years, you know,
devoting my time to this.
Speaker 2 (12:30):
Well, I'm addressing three of my shows in January to
this topic. I had on last week, doctor Hall. Should
I call you Prudence or Doctor Hall? I didn't ask
at the beginning, but everyone, all right, that's right. I saw.
I had a woman on the show last week, Maggie
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Lancaster West. She's a filmmaker, documentary filmmaker who has had
over thirty years of problems with her thy or condition.
She was hyper thigh worid. She was treated so heavily
with drugs she became hypothyroid, and their life's just like
trashed now and it caused a lot of problems for
her and she's had to work through it. She did
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a documentary film called Sick to Number two Death, and
she gave us the perspective from someone who's experiencing it.
I'm speaking you to you today, and then I have
an endocrinologist on my show from Columbia University Medical Center
next week. So I'm addressing it from every angle because
that's kind of the way I approach health. It has
to be holistic, and I always like to have someone
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who's going through it share her story, so from a
nonmedical perspective, because there's a lot of empathy there that
you can get through it. What interests me, first of all,
I have to ask a really basic question. You outlined
the hormones, the central hormones and a woman's body, how
are they different than in a man's body.
Speaker 3 (13:53):
Well, we do share the same hormone, So men and
women all share exactly the same hormones, and these are bioidentical,
which means they're exactly the same hormones that our body
is making, you know, So I mean bioidentical. Obvious use
is the hormones that we make, right, So the difference
is in the amount of hormones that each each hormone
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or each indocrine gland would make. For example, testosterone is
made in men through the testicles and also through the adrenals.
Those are the two main sources, and men will have
levels of eight hundred to eleven or twelve hundred when
they're young, and then those levels start to decrease as
a man ages, and that's a very profound change that
men go through too. When they start losing their testosterone.
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Women will have levels of you know, forty to maybe
one hundred for their testosterone levels, and that difference is enormous.
So the testosterone men will define those sex characteristics. It'll
cover them with hair, it will make them think differently.
It really does define you know, a lot of physical
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and I think think emotional differences between men and women.
Thyroid hormones are very similar in men and women that
the levels are the same. I have noticed and studied
over the years how estrogen affects thyroid and vice versa.
So there is a big change that happens when women
start to lose their estrogen. Very frequently, their thyroid gland
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will go down, and men don't do that is much.
You know, women experience pregnancy, of course, and that's a
profound shift that affects all the hormones in the body. So,
for example, the thyroid gland can become hypo or low
after a pregnancy, and men don't experience that. Of course,
they don't really experience these definite stages of decline and
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accelerated hormones. Women in pregnancy, Oh my god, we have
huge levels of progesterone and estrogen, and high levels of
estrogens that we don't normally have in our body. So
we're complex creatures. And even though our hormones are the same,
we experience a lot more shifts and very different levels.
Speaker 2 (16:03):
I think that's important for anyone to understand. If you're
having a relationship with a man, you know they have
hormones too, and women have testosterone, men have estrogen, and
you know everybody has it, but like you said, the
makeup is different, and and and and as you go
through stages of life, with pregnancy being a big one
and the other being menopause or trauma, you can have
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a seismic adjustment. Happened with with with your hormones. I
was fat in radiant again and for other you made
the case for bioidentical hormones, which I did not know.
And I think let's just get that on the table now,
what they are versus synthetic because many people, particularly women,
particularly women who have breast cancer, and we're and we're
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going to talk about that, and women who have estrogen
positive breast cancer are afraid, right, They're afraid of the
word hormone. They say, oh no, hormones or what makes it.
Hormones make me fat, hormones build my stress, hormones are
gonna give me breath, cat hormones of the let's get
that on the table.
Speaker 3 (17:03):
Well, there is a widespread fear of hormones in women
and this stems from a study that was done in
nineteen ninety one. It was the Women's Health Initiative, and
they looked at more than one hundred thousand women and
they realized that the synthetic hormones, and these were hormones
that were really invented or created in the mid nineteen
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forties called Primarin porvera. A catheter was put into a
horse's a bladder that was pregnant and the urine was
extracted and this is still done today as a major hormone,
and it was sort of put into a pill that
women took. And the study looked at those hormones, those synthetic,
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non bioidentical, non identical hormone to women, and the study
showed some really troubling facts. And one of the facts
was that there appeared to be more dementia, more inflammation
in the body in general, higher degrees of breast cancer
up to sixty percent more now you know, also more
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heart disease, more strokes. So these are the major causes
of death and women. And to have a study that
showed that the hormones that women were taking increased those problems,
I mean, it was very, very upsetting. Now at that time,
in nineteen ninety one, I hadn't been using primerin for
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at least ten years, and I knew that they were
not ideal for women. Women didn't like them. They didn't
handle the problems that women had. And that was how
I was really trained at USC was to use these hormones,
these synthetic hormones, and it so it was no surprise
to me to see that actually, not only didn't they
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work very well because weight gained depression, they didn't help
with depression. If anything, women got depressed because they gained weight.
There are the writers wasn't helped. Estrogen deficiency is a
very inflammatory condition. So not only didn't they help, but
that they caused harm. And so this is set up
years and years of studies that have relooked at these hormones,
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these synthetic hormones, and each time they say, yep, these
hormones are not so good. They really do increase deminta
or they really do increase the inflammatory states. And when
you look at the studies on bioidentical hormones, they're incredibly good.
They're incredibly positive and good. For example, a new study
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coming out of Cedar Sinai looked at four thousand, four
hundred women and they found that the incidents of heart
disease were slashed with women taking the bioidentical hormones. And
these bioidentical hormones are exactly the same hormones that women make.
They're not horses urine synthetic lookalikes. They're actually biologically, chemically
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and genetically the same hormones that women make. And the
body doesn't know if we're making those hormones or taking
those hormones, and why do we have hormones well for
reproductive issues and for well being and vitality, And when
we take those hormones that are bioidentical, we have wonderful results.
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So I think it's just that people really are still
stuck in nineteen ninety one and all the studies that
came after nineteen ninety one on synthetic hormones, the bioidenticals
are amazing data have amazing data.
Speaker 2 (20:35):
Well, I think that's a really good point. I got
to tell you, I read another book, Doctor Erica Schwartz
is the Hormone Solution, before I read Radiant Forever. She's
going to be a guest some issues. So I was
reading the part about Premarin and my heart just dropped
in my stomach term when I realized that Premarin's name
is pre mayor in like it was forced you're in
and I think there was another one with pigs, and
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I'm like, what, like, why would I even want that
in my body? That's so disgusting, you know, you know,
it just it was incontiquable, but it.
Speaker 3 (21:05):
Is its pro and it's not healthy for women, and
it certainly is fatal for pregnant horses. It's really it's
really it's our pay. Yeah, it is our but you
know it's kind of like saying, gee, do we want
to use that apple to a computer that was created
twenty five years ago?
Speaker 2 (21:24):
Well, that's like that's like in the days where they
used to they used to take the babies out with
clamps on their heads, you know, out of the uterus,
you know, which caused brain damns. Yeah, I mean there
used to be a lot of techniques and and and
protocols in the nineteenth century and the eighteenth century, in
the early twenties that just no longer work. Now we're
in the twenty first century. And that's why, just for
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everyone listening, it's really important that you, as the empowered patient,
the empowered woman, need to ask these questions, why is
this protocol good for me? And what are the side
effects short term and long term? I can't underscore enough.
I want to talk about a number of area specifically,
because a lot of the women who come to you
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will really you really share stories about they just feel
the words were washed up, no longer viable, no longer vital,
no longer attractive or sexy, fatigued. I mean, this is
a terrible feeling to have as a woman at any age,
and I will say as a woman in her fifties
and coming along to another decade, another year, it's a
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devastating feeling because you still want to be vibrant. Let's
face it, we're all living longer, so we all want
to feel better longer. So you work with women to
help identify them. Talk about how you do that and
how you identify what their needs are because it's all individual.
Speaker 3 (22:48):
Yeah. Well, well, first of all, I want to say
that I cannot tell you how much heartache I see
every day with really women coming from all over the
world desperate. I'm literally desperate, and they at some point
during the conversation they look up and they say, Prudence,
I don't even know who I am anymore. And it's
this loss of self and vitality, a loss of joy.
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A lot of women that I see never leave the house.
They're so tired and exhausted, depressed, and really just physically
not able to get out and do the activities that
they normally used to do. I mean very frequently women
will say I used to be so quite a lot
of exercising every day, I was up with the kids,
and now I take the children to school and I
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go back to bed for the entire day. Nobody knows
I'm doing this, So it's kind of a secret society
of women who are depleted. And I just want to
add one more thing in terms of I realized very
very early on in my practice that something happened to
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women midway through their life. And what happened and was
they lost the dreams that they had for their future.
So they might have dreamed that as soon as the
children were a little older, they would become a journalist,
or they would they would create the artwork that they
had studied in college and had been really starting to
create before their children, or you know, if they're in
the career track day, they you know, they've been preparing
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really to have their own enterprise or their own business,
and and midway through their life they simply can't do it.
So I have a lot of women at either the
top of their field or maybe emerging just into who
they really are and the joy that they've been waiting
and planning for, and they're too tired. They can't do it.
They're depressed, their their their body doesn't work, and then
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all of their focus comes on just surviving. So it
goes from being in the world, sorry, and creating, being
thought leaders, really being in service to the world and
bringing their gift into the world, which is so rewarding,
and really, you know, living their life purpose to barely living. So,
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you know, I just want to say, it's so true
that this happens. So women get their blood work done
before they come to see me, and we do extensive
blood work looking at a lot of the core problems
that women face and that cause diseases. For example, we'll
look at markers of inflammation, all the hormones. We look
at advanced cholesterol markers, so not just the standard cholesterol,
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but the markers that really say that women are going
to have a heart attack or more at risk for
heart attacks, and measures of aging. And then we have
a conversation what's happening, what's going on, what are the
main problems that need to be corrected. And then it's
a dialogue. It's a dialogue. And the first visit with
me is rebalancing hormones. And I have a couple of rules.
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One of them is rebalance all the hormones that are imbalanced,
either high or low. The second thing is rebalanced to
youthful levels. And when you talk to the endocrinologists in
a couple of weeks, I do things a little bit
differently than many standard endochronologists because the reference ranges that
laboratories have as normal or not normal. You know those
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reference ranges that doctors are always looking at, is this
a is that person healthy or are they outside of
the reference range. Well, those reference ranges are not youthful
biologically fit. Reference ranges. Basically, the laboratory will say, well,
we're checking testosterone levels for women. So anyone who goes
through the lab during that specific period of time that
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they're assaying for normal values, they're included in that essay.
And older people get their blood drawings. It's not twenty
thirty year olds, it's really sixty year olds, fifty year old,
seventy year olds. So for example, the reference range for
testoster and for women in many labs is two to
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forty three, and two will mean actually ten and probably
even twenty will mean that she's losing her bones, she
feels more depressed and lost, she's not building muscle mass,
she doesn't have a sex drive. So you know, we
need to use youthful, biologically fit reference ranges, and luckily
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we have those reference ranges. A group of us use
those reference ranges, and we're, you know, regenerative medicine specialist
or a functional medicine specialist. And I've measured thousands and
thousands of women. I've taken care of thirty thousand women
over this period of time. It's probably increased by the
last time we looked at it a bit more than
thirty thousand women and I look at every one of
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their values, so I know what's youthful and vital and
it's not too A testosterone level for women would be
more like fifty sixty before she starts building muscles and
she stops losing her bones, and she starts feeling sexual.
So it's really interesting how this all starts to. But
that's the first visit looking at the hormones rebalancing to
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youthful vital levels, and a lot falls away in terms
of the pain after that first visit, a lot. I mean,
people women usually feel thirty better after that first visit. Uh.
Speaker 2 (28:20):
And you talk about that, and you actually gave some
really interesting you know, and what happens, just what you
really reveal is as the women start feeling better, you know,
you see them every six months or whatever, you see
the transformation in them, not only in how they carry themselves,
the lightness of being and the lightness and their step,
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but also how they radiate. Their skin glows, their hair
is more illustrous. They have a brightness about them and
a cheeriness, a sense of joy that they never had before.
And it really is quite a transformation, and it's it's
it's really amazing to see how it all starts with
rebalancing for and I don't think a lot of people
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understand that. I mean, the word hormonal is considered very negative.
We're gonna you know, and it's not It should be positive.
To be hormonal in a good way is very very positive.
And even I have I've experienced all of that prudence
trust me, and and had and had to rework. And
so I'm there with you. You know, I've gone through
the depression, I've gone through the way gate, I've gone
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through the loss of luster and the low lobido. I've
written about the lo libido and come very open about it,
particularly after going through cancer treatment. And what I'd like
to do. We're going to take a very short break.
When I come back. I want to touch on two
important areas that you address in the book that I
can share personal experience with, but also so many of
my listeners feel. One is menopause and libido and and
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and and one is menopause, the other's breast cancer and
how they all intertwine with working how you work with
women UH and bioidentical hormones, and if we have time,
I also want to talk about libido. So we're We're
listening to Fearless Fabulous You. Your hosts Melanie Young. This
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And we're back. You're listening to Fearless Fabulous You. I'm
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It's a navigational guide for women who are newly diagnosed
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which really helps you deal with the emotional factors of
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five paths of how I did it myself after my
own journey back from treatment during the break, Doctor Hall.
Doctor Prudence Hall of the founder of the Hall Center,
is my guest today and we talked about We talked
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about the first part of the show, what hormones. You know,
what we have in terms of hormones in our body,
and how it's important to keep say vital by keeping
your hormones and balance. But I want to underscore now
the importance of disease prevention and why it's essential to
keep your hormones in balance and managed to prevent disease.
Doctor Hall, let's talk about that, of Prudence.
Speaker 3 (32:22):
I think that this is one of the main reasons
why balancing your hormones is so important because as we age,
as women age, diseases arise, and the diseases that really
are the most critical in terms of causing death and
decline in women are heart disease, stroke, diabetes, high blood pressure, dementia.
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So these are really the main diseases that women die from.
And there's really quite a big awareness movement in the
United States now about heart disease as being the number
one killer of women in the United States, and hormones
really cause those diseases. There are a very very important
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reason why women get heart disease. For example, women on
their first visit they'll say, oh, I know, my cholesterol
is fine, and I'll tell them, you know, I'm really sorry,
but you've been in menopause now for a year and
your cholesterol actually is quite high, or your sugar is diabetic,
or your blood pressure is now high. And women are
shocked to find that at age forty eight they have
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some diseases that they really thought were diseases of women
in their seventies and eighties. So hormones create function in
the body, healthy function, and when the hormones are low,
diseases occur. So I just mentioned the Cedar study earlier
in the talk, where Cedar Sinai, which is one of
the big major hospitals here in Los Angeles, looked at
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so many women showing that heart disease was greatly decreased.
Women are on bioidentical hormones compared to women who are
not on bioidentical hormones. There's a big finny study with
twenty two a little more than twenty two thousand women
showing that no matter what age the woman is at,
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when they looked at morbidity and mortality of those women. So,
for example, you take a forty five year old woman,
a fifty year old woman, fifty three, no matter what
age you looked at, the woman on bioidentical hormones had
less death in less diseases at that age compared to
the woman who is not on bioidentical hormones. So we're
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talking about a shield, a shield that protects us from
unhealthy aging. And when hormones decline, like I said, I
routinely see diseases arise. So we don't want diseases. We
don't want to have to take lipatour for example, for
high cholesterol. And Dale Bretison is one of the chief
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Alzheimer's disease researchers in the world. I just love that man.
He has high integered and he's a huge, huge researcher
at UCLA, University of California of Los Angeles, and he
feels that hormones are a major part of preventing dementia.
In his new book, And the End of Dementia really
discusses all the different ways that dementia arises, and one
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of the very critical ways it arises is in menopause.
Women lose their extra dial and their adrenals and their
thyroid hormone, and dementia arises. And my mother died from dementia.
And I sat By really is a very young doctor.
I was a medical student when she developed the disease.
And no one had the slightest idea why and dial
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Brettesen says have tested more than one hundred drugs and
none of them work at all. There's one I think
it does a two percent of activity. And you know,
he's come up with a very integrated way of preventing dementia.
And boy, it has to do with balancing hormones. That's
one of the mainstays. Of course there are other things.
But you know, when your hormones are low, oh, your
sugar levels are high. When your hormones are low, cholesterol
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is high, stress is high, inflammation is high. So women
come in stressed and inflamed and a little bit demented.
Where they can't remember things, they can't sleep, they're so
stressed out, and these cause diseases. So this is the
context whereby really hormones offer their great value. This is
a feel good, live longer program. It's not a program
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where you feel good, die sooner, or get more diseases.
It's not that kind of a program. It is a
health and longevity program.
Speaker 2 (36:32):
I think that's really important because I mean, I mean,
men and women both suffer from dementia. I have dementia.
I think I have three members of my family now
with dementia. They're all in their nineties, but the onset
I think came earlier, and you know, it's sad to see,
you know. I think that dementia hormone deficiency imbalance is
very important as well as lack of social connection. I
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think many people who have dementia are starting to have
a get more isolated, which only ex disacerbates the situation,
which is a very very sad situation because I think
the elderly individuals are some of the most isolated people
out there, which is a whole other topic I get on.
I'm going to read it something from your book. This
is from the chapter on breast cancer and menopause. Another
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disease that I want to touch on, breast cancer and
menopause is the name of the chapter. So we're in menopause,
but breast cancer. I have estrogen receptive positive breast cancer.
I have been taking an aromaties inhibitor that I recently
went off by choice with my oncologists because I was
very getting very depressed, like not great, you know, like
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depression in a bad way. Bad. And you say in
this book and you just underscored it, But I'm understanding
eliminating estrogen which on an aromatise he's inhibitor basically inhibits
the production of estrogen, and there are estrogen blockers estrogen.
Eliminating estrogen from a woman's body results in more inflammation,
more internal stress, and higher blood sugar levels, which are
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all independent causes of cancer. Are in general, let's just
talk about that, because inflammation cancer is the result at all.
Disease is a result of inflammation in the body. But
many of us who are breast cancer survivors, you know,
we're so confused about the whole hormone and estrogen situation.
We're afraid to eat certain foods, We're afraid to have,
soy we're afraid to do den. I weighed very carefully,
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you know, going off arimedex myrimities inhibitors. They got to
come back. Let's talk about this.
Speaker 3 (38:28):
It's a big topic, Melanie, and it's a topic that
is in rapid fluctuation right now. For example, just looking
at what's happened to men. We were taught up until
about ten to passively fifteen years ago that testosterone was
the fuel that caused and fed prostate cancer. So testosterone
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knows if anyone wants to prevent prostate cancer, or they
if they have prostate cancer. So men were routinely given
testosterone blockers. And my father actually developed proscetin cancer, and
I saw what that did to him. It was terrible
that my.
Speaker 2 (39:04):
Father died of metastasized prostate cancer. So I totally understand.
Speaker 3 (39:09):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean men, men. Men lose their joy,
they lose their drive. And when men lose their testosterone,
and we now know that a whole bunch of bad
things happen, like in women when women lose their estrogen.
And Aide Morgenthall or Big Harvard, wonderful man. I just
love that man. Came up with the original study at
Harvard that showed that that was true, and he found
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out that it was three men and only only one
of them had prostate cancer, and it just wasn't true.
And it's been debunked and debunked and debunked, and he
now has a study looking at stage four prostate cancer
men and I'm looking very eagerly for you know, an
update on that. But the last time you know it
was it was mentioned it was that testosterone men who
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had stage four prostate cancer were treated with testosterone did
as well as traditional therapy, if not better. So that's
where women are. We're right at that stage where we're
taught estrogen causes breast cancer, and not only does it
cause it, I mean it will kill us if we
have it. Because all these biopses are done so estrogen
positive receptors, and we say, well, if there's a receptor
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that's positive for estrogen, then we'd better not you know,
feed that receptor estrogen because that'll create more cancer. And
you know, there are other ways of looking at this too,
like when you when you when you look at what
normally is in the breast, if you do biopsies of
the breast, the whole breath has estrogen receptors. I mean,
every single healthy, normal, wonderful sell in your in your
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breast has estrogen receptors. And when women start estrogen, their
breast plump up and they stop being faggy. And you know,
the vagina and the urinary bladder, and the bones and
the muscle all have estrogen receptors and that brings the
physiology back to normal when those receptors are fed. So
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it's like you're losing your bones. You take estrogen, the
bone respect You know, the muscles respond, you build more muscle,
The bladder stops leaking, and and you know, having urgency
and bladder infections because of estrogen. The vagina in the
longer chairs and rips and the vagina stops closing, and
we can have you know, sexual intercourse happily without pain
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because of estrogen receptors in the in the vagina. So
you know, estrogen. Estrogen receptors are everywhere. And to say
that to feed that is causing cancer. You know a
lot of studies, Melanie. I mean the last time I looked,
which was two years ago, in depth, it was more
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than five hundred studies. So these studies are not supporting
the fact that estrogen is bad for breast cancer. Now,
this is controversial, and each woman has to be looked
at individually, and I always get an oncologist to say
it's on right for her to use estrogen only bioidentical
and more and more oncologists need to look at it
in a slightly different way, and they're saying, well, the
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creams are okay, but you know, certainly the synthetic estrogens
are very bad and can't be used. Or because as
you say, low estrogen high inflammation. Ninety percent of cancer
is based in inflammation, and some big studies of collaborate that.
So you don't want an inflamed body. You don't want
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to body that high that has high blood sugar where
the immunity is low. Estrogen supports the immune system. Women
women who are in menopause really get sick more, and
you want a strong immunity to fight off cancer. So
you know, there's an integrated way of looking at cancer,
and balanced hormones is part of that, just like balanced
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hormones is a way to prevent heart disease, dementia, diabetes, stroke,
you know, and the major diseases of aging.
Speaker 2 (42:53):
Really good points, and I got to tell you, I mean,
I did the tradition a route because you know, your
diagnosed breast cancer, and all you would do is just
like got and I went to you know, it's Royal
sloe ketterying, so it's a big cancer center. They must
be right. And I followed all the rules. Didn't like them,
but I followed them and loved my oncologists. But you know,
I decided I made a conscious decision to get off
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my aromities hibitor because I had a guest on my show, actually,
doctor Haley Fisher, right, who wrote a rearly book about
the medical medical profession, and she said, ask your doctor,
why are you prescribing this? What's it really going to
do for me? Why am I here? And I actually
pose that question to my oncologist, and she really said, well,
you're here because you're on an aromatis inhibitor, and so
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therefore you're still in treatment. And I said, well, why
am I still on it? It's been eight and a
half years. They said, well, study's say that perhaps perhaps
being on it longer than ten years could help prevent
a recurrence. But it's a perhaps thing. There's you know,
and I just said, yeah, but all the side effects
are pretty bad, and so we made it. We were
on vacation from it. It's kind of interesting because I
do have a better rightness of being, But I think
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that you got to ask those questions and it is
an individual situation. And you outline a case where you
treated a woman named Lauren who had breast cancer and
was going through menopause, and you worked very closely with
her in collegist which is really the way integrative medicine works.
It's integrative, which is really important, It really really is.
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I think that people need to do their research. You've
really laid it out really well in Radiant Again, forever
we talked about all disease disease prevention. Are there any
other areas where you feel a woman can benefit from
bioidentical hormones that we have not talked about?
Speaker 3 (44:41):
Well? Her sexuality for sure.
Speaker 2 (44:42):
Yes.
Speaker 3 (44:43):
I think critical for women. And every day I see
new women come in saying that they're worried about their marriage,
or their husband is irritable because they haven't had intercourse
in you know, three months, or they used to have
such a passionate time together and now it's a day
and this is a this is really a worrisome for
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a lot of women. I mean, some women will tell
me what I'm done with that part of life and
if it is he done with it, and the answers
sick me. Well, well, no, he's not actually done with it,
but I'm done with it. And and men can feel
abandoned and hurt. And in a way, it's the currency
that men deal with. You know, how are they paid
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for showing up and fixing her cars? And you know
how we support us emotionally and letting us talk, which
we love to do. Sex. I'm really intimate, beautiful sexual contact.
And when women fall off with this, a part of
them really knows that this is not good for the relationship.
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And how many women lose their sexuality in menopause. My
heart just things, yeah, Melanie, my heart, I mean I did.
My heart sings. When a woman will come in and
she's sixty and says, oh, I have a passionate sex life,
this response is almost non existent. I know, every once
in a while, somebody and I see couple just reunite
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and they're happy and they're dazing each other like young lovers,
and they're they're traveling again together and active and revitalized,
and women are having orgasms again, and really, hormones. I mean,
this is hormones. To bring this back, women stop having orgasms,
or they're punky and their muscles are weak and they
can't even feel their orgasms, or women say they work
so hard at it, and it's it's a problem that's fixable,
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and we're not alone with this. I think it's important
that we talk about it and really not kind of
suffer silently saying, well, my libido's gone, but everybody else's
is having a happy relationship, and that's not true. That's
really not true.
Speaker 2 (46:45):
It's true. You know, I've been through all of that.
I mean, seventy percent of breast cancer survivors experienced low
libido afterward. I mean, it's it's amazing. Ninety percent is
probably right to be more. I mean it's it's and
it is healthy. Is part of your healthy life. My
young college has actually set me down and gave me
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a lecture on it. I was like, really, because I
was telling her we you know, I didn't want sex anymore.
She's like, you're going to dry up, and I want
to underscore that because she said, your vagina is going
to dry up like a walnut, and I visualize that
with E and I want to end this discussion with you.
And my message to everybody is you're never dried up
or washed out. You always have the ability to rejuvenate,
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and you should never feel that way at any age.
No one should be washed out or wiped out. What
would you like to leave as party were insper my
listeners today, Prudence, Well.
Speaker 3 (47:40):
You're not alone. I think it's important to know that
we are a group of women who read, who go online,
who are smart, who are active in our lives. And
no question that you could ask your doctor a stupid
nothing that you bring to you know, really, a medical
professional should ever be pooh pooed. You should never be
made to feel that he or she is the superior one.
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This is a dialogue you have with your doctor. It's
a relationship that's created like any other relationship, and it
has to be filled with respect and understanding and collaboration.
And really, your healthcare is in your hands as as
much as it's in his or her hands. And I
really wanted women empowered on this level because we're no
longer in a paternal society and we're in a society
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where women are the light of the world. We're the
next way of bringing peace into the world and more
love and more understanding. And it's our job to stay healthy.
It's our job and responsibility to bring our light into
the world. Because we affect our husbands or our partners
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or our family. We affect our communities, the state, the world.
We are global. We have global impact in the world,
and stay healthy on a physical level. I couldn't exprae.
Speaker 2 (49:00):
I couldn't agree more. And with that, I'm going to
edit with this. You have the right to be radiant forever.
You have the right to be radiant forever at any age,
and I'll add remain fearless and fabulous. So I want
to thank you for joining me today again doctor Prudence Hall,
the Hall Center. Radiant Again in Forever is your book.
I enjoyed this concussion. It was so invigorating. I feel
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it's so excited. I can't wait to share it with everybody.
Thank you for joining me, and thank you to all
my listeners and my message again, you have the right
to be radiant forever, and say fearless and fabulous.
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Well, hello, and welcome to Fearless Fabulous You. I'm your host,
Melanie Young, and I am so glad you could join
me today. January seventeenth, twenty eighteen. We're in a new year,
and hopefully you're feeling excited about it, ready to rock
and really pursue some things that you promised yourself when
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you made that list of resolutions that you would pursue.
I am a big list maker, and I make a
list of resolutions. I always do between five and ten
and verat organized that way about what I want to
achieve for the year. Over the years, actually my list
is getting shorter. It's not that I've achieved everything I have,
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and I'm grateful for that. But I don't really like
to tax myself too much and stress myself out by
giving myself more to think about. And I tell people
that all the time. They ask me how I manage
to juggle all the different things I seem to have
my fingers in, and I'll tell you I'm a magician.
It sounds like I have my fingers and a lot,
but I really don't. It just looks that way the
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way I wave my hands in social media, But I
tell people I actually only give myself five things to
do every day. That's it. Five. And if I can
achieve five things, small and large, twitter just little things,
I'm perfectly happy. And if more needs to be done,
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I just say do with it tomorrow, because nothing really
is that important. I used to think everything was important
had to be done immediately, and in way I'm saying
that because in this day of digital media, it seems
like we're raising a generation of people where everything has
to be done asap eod end of day twenty four
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to seven, and there's no time to sit back and
say time out too Well, I'm going to tell you
now it's time to take time out and give yourself
that gift of time every day. It's so worth it
to do something for yourself. I've been programmed to always achieve,
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so just taking that time out has been a challenge
for me. But I'm learning to do it and that
is going to be a big time. We're going to
talk about stress and why it's important to manage stress
and how it can eat away your body and your health.
Today is one of the many topics we're going to
discuss with my guests. This is a really cool guest.
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I've read her book. It's called Radiant Again and Forever Now.
Don't we all want to be radiant always? Right? Well,
I learned a lot about myself and about ways to
deal with stress and anxiety and take better care and
also what resources are out there to manage it. My
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guest today is doctor Prudence Hall. She is founder and
medical director of the Hall Center, which is based in
southern California. It's a transformational health center that specializes in
the term is regenerative and integrated medicine. She's a pioneer
of this. She was actually trained in traditional Western medicine.
(03:56):
She was a She was a gynd of collogist, and
she actually attended uc Berkelecy for her master's in Health
Sciences and then attended United usse University Southern California's Keech
School of Medicine, where she obtained an MD degree, and
then she did a residency at USC's County Hospital, attending
to the sickest and most needy women in Los Angeles.
(04:19):
At the beginning of her private practice, doctor Prudence Hall
rapidly saw the urgent need to offer a more comprehensive
approach to health BINGO. She began addressing vital well being
as well as disease treatment BINGO again, and she later
founded the Hall Center in Santa Monica, California, focusing exclusively
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on what she describes as mindful medicine, rather than identifying
and treating diseases only of the physical body clients, thoughts, emotions,
and life fulfillment are also addressed as part of health
well I couldn't agree with that more because it's, you know,
doctors are taught to practice medicine and treat an illness,
(05:04):
but really you're treating a person and sometimes that get lost,
Sometimes that get lost in the quotient. So we're going
to talk about her approach, which is extremely successful. The
forward to doctor Hall's book is by Suzanne Sumners, who,
as many Suzanne Sumners as you know, is the actress
and Three's Company who has went on to write many
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successful books addressing health and wellness. She also created the Bindmaster,
which I just saw on CBS Sunday Morning this weekend.
And one of her other clientele and doctor Hall's clients
from around the world who come to her often when
they have really feel like they are at their wits
end and they've given up, they feel old, they feel
(05:47):
washed out, they feel life is over, and she really
helps them read Blossom. And I have to say one
of her other clients who did have a testimony on
the back of the book is Cindy Crawford. And let's
just talk about how great Cindy Crawford looks right now
and at her age. I think she's in her fifties now,
she looks like amazing. I think she's in her fifties.
I'm not sure, but it doesn't really matter because she's
ageless and we all should, babe. So I want to
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welcome doctor Prudence Hall, founder of the Hall Center and
author of Radiant Again and forever too, fearless fabulous.
Speaker 3 (06:16):
You welcome well, thank you, and I do believe in
fearless and fabulous.
Speaker 2 (06:22):
I truly do too. I truly do too. Absolutely well,
if you look at the cover of your book, you
radiate on the cover of your books, so you obviously
have found a secret sauce. Talk to us a little
bit about your own transition from western medicine to integrative
(06:44):
medicine and why you believe this is a fundamental, important
philosophy of how you treat people.
Speaker 3 (06:53):
Well, It was really a necessity. What happened is I
I graduated from USC Medical School and then went on
and did it residency at the Kech School of Medicine,
which is USC School of Medicine. And worked very, very hard,
literally one hundred hours a week, if not more one
hundred and twenty sometimes one hundred and forty hours a week,
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and I thought I really understood the human body. I
could do a lot of stuff, including advanced surgeries. But
when I got out into my practice, my private practice,
women came to me and said things like, I'm depressed,
and I mean, even though I had taken a whole
psychiatry routine, I wasn't really aware of what caused depression.
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I thought it was really emotional stuff, and so I
would counsel them and very frequently put them on antidepressant
medicines like prozac, and there were a lot of side effects,
and it didn't seem to really get to a root,
core cause of what was going on. And women wanted
to lose weight and they felt like their mind was foggy,
(07:57):
and I realized it was kind of scary. We realized
this in my first year. I simply don't know how
to treat the most common problems that women are asking
you to help them with. How do you lose weight?
I mean, you know, forty fifty pounds? You know? It
wasn't diet. I mean I came up with all kinds
of wonderful diets and exercise programs, and still they couldn't
lose weight. So I needed to do this, and I
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became a student again, and I've been studying, really for
the last thirty five years, how to be most maximumly
effective to help people to not only just not have
a disease like bronchitis, pneumonia, you know STDs, really how
to be fabulous And I love the word fearless, fabulous
and fearless, healthy, bright, sensual, you know, joyful, connected. So
(08:44):
I realized that it was more than simply an absence
of disease or one disease. One treatment like an antibiotic
in medicine is not that.
Speaker 2 (08:55):
Couldn't agree more. And we know the root of the
word disease is disase. So in many cases, it's easing
all the other attributes around what the person is feeling
and making them feel alive again in their own bodies.
And I am curious because I'm curious because I think
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I do believe, and you really underscore this in Radio
Favor with that hormone deficiencies or imbalances are the roots
of many of the ills that we have, and in
women face and women in particular, have you know, more
complex hormones seems I feel. I feel like the things
(09:37):
like the environment and the food we eat and other
factors are creating even more stress on our hormones. Let's
talk about that and kind of give us a little
tour of a woman's set the hormones that we're talking about,
because there's a lot, but there's some that really really
can kind of go out of whack and really impact you.
In the way you just discussed.
Speaker 3 (10:00):
Absolutely. So we have the corel hormones, and the corel
hormones are reproductive hormones, and that would be estrogen, progesterone,
and testosterone. And then we have our thyroid hormones, and
the thyroid is located right in the neck, as most
of us know, and those hormones would be free P
tree and three T four. Now you know, that's a
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very very important metabolic hormone. And then there's the adrenal hormones.
And the adrenales are these little life saving glands that
are located right above the kidneys towards the back, and
those hormones are DHA, pregnantlone, cortisol, and once again testosterone.
Testosterone comes from a number of different sources, and these
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glands work together in tandem to help us create thoughts.
They beat our heart, they make us they run our
whole body's metabolism, make us gain weight, to lose weight.
They it's very very important impact our thoughts in our
mind and how the mind actually functions. So every cell
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in our body is like a little receptor for some
type of the hormones, and some hormones like estrogen, well
They affect almost every cell the body. They affect the brain, cells,
the bone, the skin, the muscles, the uh of course,
the breast and the uterus, the bladder, the heart. So
without hormones, our body would die. We probably wouldn't even live.
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I mean really, if we lost all of our hormones,
we would die within a few hours because the hormones
beat our heart and we wouldn't have any impetus for
the heart to beat or to take a breath. So
the body is complex, but also it has its software,
just like a computer. You know, you go to that computer,
you're going to boot up, but there's no software. So
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when people say, oh, the hormones are bad, or oh,
you've got to be careful of those hormones, my response is,
hormones are your lifeline, and yes we have to be
very very careful how we treat them. We don't want
to imbalance them. We don't want them to be too high,
such as in highly stressed people, too low as in
depleted individuals. We want them to be just right, and
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that balance can be individual for each person. So it's
really it's a it's an art form, but it's also
a highly scientifically examined field of science. So it's a
wonderful field to be and I couldn't be happier to
have spent the last thirty thirty five years, you know,
devoting my time to this.
Speaker 2 (12:30):
Well, I'm addressing three of my shows in January to
this topic. I had on last week, doctor Hall. Should
I call you Prudence or Doctor Hall? I didn't ask
at the beginning, but everyone, all right, that's right. I saw.
I had a woman on the show last week, Maggie
(12:51):
Lancaster West. She's a filmmaker, documentary filmmaker who has had
over thirty years of problems with her thy or condition.
She was hyper thigh worid. She was treated so heavily
with drugs she became hypothyroid, and their life's just like
trashed now and it caused a lot of problems for
her and she's had to work through it. She did
(13:11):
a documentary film called Sick to Number two Death, and
she gave us the perspective from someone who's experiencing it.
I'm speaking you to you today, and then I have
an endocrinologist on my show from Columbia University Medical Center
next week. So I'm addressing it from every angle because
that's kind of the way I approach health. It has
to be holistic, and I always like to have someone
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who's going through it share her story, so from a
nonmedical perspective, because there's a lot of empathy there that
you can get through it. What interests me, first of all,
I have to ask a really basic question. You outlined
the hormones, the central hormones and a woman's body, how
are they different than in a man's body.
Speaker 3 (13:53):
Well, we do share the same hormone, So men and
women all share exactly the same hormones, and these are bioidentical,
which means they're exactly the same hormones that our body
is making, you know, So I mean bioidentical. Obvious use
is the hormones that we make, right, So the difference
is in the amount of hormones that each each hormone
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or each indocrine gland would make. For example, testosterone is
made in men through the testicles and also through the adrenals.
Those are the two main sources, and men will have
levels of eight hundred to eleven or twelve hundred when
they're young, and then those levels start to decrease as
a man ages, and that's a very profound change that
men go through too. When they start losing their testosterone.
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Women will have levels of you know, forty to maybe
one hundred for their testosterone levels, and that difference is enormous.
So the testosterone men will define those sex characteristics. It'll
cover them with hair, it will make them think differently.
It really does define you know, a lot of physical
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and I think think emotional differences between men and women.
Thyroid hormones are very similar in men and women that
the levels are the same. I have noticed and studied
over the years how estrogen affects thyroid and vice versa.
So there is a big change that happens when women
start to lose their estrogen. Very frequently, their thyroid gland
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will go down, and men don't do that is much.
You know, women experience pregnancy, of course, and that's a
profound shift that affects all the hormones in the body. So,
for example, the thyroid gland can become hypo or low
after a pregnancy, and men don't experience that. Of course,
they don't really experience these definite stages of decline and
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accelerated hormones. Women in pregnancy, Oh my god, we have
huge levels of progesterone and estrogen, and high levels of
estrogens that we don't normally have in our body. So
we're complex creatures. And even though our hormones are the same,
we experience a lot more shifts and very different levels.
Speaker 2 (16:03):
I think that's important for anyone to understand. If you're
having a relationship with a man, you know they have
hormones too, and women have testosterone, men have estrogen, and
you know everybody has it, but like you said, the
makeup is different, and and and and as you go
through stages of life, with pregnancy being a big one
and the other being menopause or trauma, you can have
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a seismic adjustment. Happened with with with your hormones. I
was fat in radiant again and for other you made
the case for bioidentical hormones, which I did not know.
And I think let's just get that on the table now,
what they are versus synthetic because many people, particularly women,
particularly women who have breast cancer, and we're and we're
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going to talk about that, and women who have estrogen
positive breast cancer are afraid, right, They're afraid of the
word hormone. They say, oh no, hormones or what makes it.
Hormones make me fat, hormones build my stress, hormones are
gonna give me breath, cat hormones of the let's get
that on the table.
Speaker 3 (17:03):
Well, there is a widespread fear of hormones in women
and this stems from a study that was done in
nineteen ninety one. It was the Women's Health Initiative, and
they looked at more than one hundred thousand women and
they realized that the synthetic hormones, and these were hormones
that were really invented or created in the mid nineteen
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forties called Primarin porvera. A catheter was put into a
horse's a bladder that was pregnant and the urine was
extracted and this is still done today as a major hormone,
and it was sort of put into a pill that
women took. And the study looked at those hormones, those synthetic,
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non bioidentical, non identical hormone to women, and the study
showed some really troubling facts. And one of the facts
was that there appeared to be more dementia, more inflammation
in the body in general, higher degrees of breast cancer
up to sixty percent more now you know, also more
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heart disease, more strokes. So these are the major causes
of death and women. And to have a study that
showed that the hormones that women were taking increased those problems,
I mean, it was very, very upsetting. Now at that time,
in nineteen ninety one, I hadn't been using primerin for
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at least ten years, and I knew that they were
not ideal for women. Women didn't like them. They didn't
handle the problems that women had. And that was how
I was really trained at USC was to use these hormones,
these synthetic hormones, and it so it was no surprise
to me to see that actually, not only didn't they
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work very well because weight gained depression, they didn't help
with depression. If anything, women got depressed because they gained weight.
There are the writers wasn't helped. Estrogen deficiency is a
very inflammatory condition. So not only didn't they help, but
that they caused harm. And so this is set up
years and years of studies that have relooked at these hormones,
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these synthetic hormones, and each time they say, yep, these
hormones are not so good. They really do increase deminta
or they really do increase the inflammatory states. And when
you look at the studies on bioidentical hormones, they're incredibly good.
They're incredibly positive and good. For example, a new study
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coming out of Cedar Sinai looked at four thousand, four
hundred women and they found that the incidents of heart
disease were slashed with women taking the bioidentical hormones. And
these bioidentical hormones are exactly the same hormones that women make.
They're not horses urine synthetic lookalikes. They're actually biologically, chemically
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and genetically the same hormones that women make. And the
body doesn't know if we're making those hormones or taking
those hormones, and why do we have hormones well for
reproductive issues and for well being and vitality, And when
we take those hormones that are bioidentical, we have wonderful results.
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So I think it's just that people really are still
stuck in nineteen ninety one and all the studies that
came after nineteen ninety one on synthetic hormones, the bioidenticals
are amazing data have amazing data.
Speaker 2 (20:35):
Well, I think that's a really good point. I got
to tell you, I read another book, Doctor Erica Schwartz
is the Hormone Solution, before I read Radiant Forever. She's
going to be a guest some issues. So I was
reading the part about Premarin and my heart just dropped
in my stomach term when I realized that Premarin's name
is pre mayor in like it was forced you're in
and I think there was another one with pigs, and
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I'm like, what, like, why would I even want that
in my body? That's so disgusting, you know, you know,
it just it was incontiquable, but it.
Speaker 3 (21:05):
Is its pro and it's not healthy for women, and
it certainly is fatal for pregnant horses. It's really it's
really it's our pay. Yeah, it is our but you
know it's kind of like saying, gee, do we want
to use that apple to a computer that was created
twenty five years ago?
Speaker 2 (21:24):
Well, that's like that's like in the days where they
used to they used to take the babies out with
clamps on their heads, you know, out of the uterus,
you know, which caused brain damns. Yeah, I mean there
used to be a lot of techniques and and and
protocols in the nineteenth century and the eighteenth century, in
the early twenties that just no longer work. Now we're
in the twenty first century. And that's why, just for
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everyone listening, it's really important that you, as the empowered patient,
the empowered woman, need to ask these questions, why is
this protocol good for me? And what are the side
effects short term and long term? I can't underscore enough.
I want to talk about a number of area specifically,
because a lot of the women who come to you
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will really you really share stories about they just feel
the words were washed up, no longer viable, no longer vital,
no longer attractive or sexy, fatigued. I mean, this is
a terrible feeling to have as a woman at any age,
and I will say as a woman in her fifties
and coming along to another decade, another year, it's a
(22:29):
devastating feeling because you still want to be vibrant. Let's
face it, we're all living longer, so we all want
to feel better longer. So you work with women to
help identify them. Talk about how you do that and
how you identify what their needs are because it's all individual.
Speaker 3 (22:48):
Yeah. Well, well, first of all, I want to say
that I cannot tell you how much heartache I see
every day with really women coming from all over the
world desperate. I'm literally desperate, and they at some point
during the conversation they look up and they say, Prudence,
I don't even know who I am anymore. And it's
this loss of self and vitality, a loss of joy.
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A lot of women that I see never leave the house.
They're so tired and exhausted, depressed, and really just physically
not able to get out and do the activities that
they normally used to do. I mean very frequently women
will say I used to be so quite a lot
of exercising every day, I was up with the kids,
and now I take the children to school and I
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go back to bed for the entire day. Nobody knows
I'm doing this, So it's kind of a secret society
of women who are depleted. And I just want to
add one more thing in terms of I realized very
very early on in my practice that something happened to
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women midway through their life. And what happened and was
they lost the dreams that they had for their future.
So they might have dreamed that as soon as the
children were a little older, they would become a journalist,
or they would they would create the artwork that they
had studied in college and had been really starting to
create before their children, or you know, if they're in
the career track day, they you know, they've been preparing
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really to have their own enterprise or their own business,
and and midway through their life they simply can't do it.
So I have a lot of women at either the
top of their field or maybe emerging just into who
they really are and the joy that they've been waiting
and planning for, and they're too tired. They can't do it.
They're depressed, their their their body doesn't work, and then
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all of their focus comes on just surviving. So it
goes from being in the world, sorry, and creating, being
thought leaders, really being in service to the world and
bringing their gift into the world, which is so rewarding,
and really, you know, living their life purpose to barely living. So,
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you know, I just want to say, it's so true
that this happens. So women get their blood work done
before they come to see me, and we do extensive
blood work looking at a lot of the core problems
that women face and that cause diseases. For example, we'll
look at markers of inflammation, all the hormones. We look
at advanced cholesterol markers, so not just the standard cholesterol,
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but the markers that really say that women are going
to have a heart attack or more at risk for
heart attacks, and measures of aging. And then we have
a conversation what's happening, what's going on, what are the
main problems that need to be corrected. And then it's
a dialogue. It's a dialogue. And the first visit with
me is rebalancing hormones. And I have a couple of rules.
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One of them is rebalance all the hormones that are imbalanced,
either high or low. The second thing is rebalanced to
youthful levels. And when you talk to the endocrinologists in
a couple of weeks, I do things a little bit
differently than many standard endochronologists because the reference ranges that
laboratories have as normal or not normal. You know those
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reference ranges that doctors are always looking at, is this
a is that person healthy or are they outside of
the reference range. Well, those reference ranges are not youthful
biologically fit. Reference ranges. Basically, the laboratory will say, well,
we're checking testosterone levels for women. So anyone who goes
through the lab during that specific period of time that
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they're assaying for normal values, they're included in that essay.
And older people get their blood drawings. It's not twenty
thirty year olds, it's really sixty year olds, fifty year old,
seventy year olds. So for example, the reference range for
testoster and for women in many labs is two to
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forty three, and two will mean actually ten and probably
even twenty will mean that she's losing her bones, she
feels more depressed and lost, she's not building muscle mass,
she doesn't have a sex drive. So you know, we
need to use youthful, biologically fit reference ranges, and luckily
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we have those reference ranges. A group of us use
those reference ranges, and we're, you know, regenerative medicine specialist
or a functional medicine specialist. And I've measured thousands and
thousands of women. I've taken care of thirty thousand women
over this period of time. It's probably increased by the
last time we looked at it a bit more than
thirty thousand women and I look at every one of
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their values, so I know what's youthful and vital and
it's not too A testosterone level for women would be
more like fifty sixty before she starts building muscles and
she stops losing her bones, and she starts feeling sexual.
So it's really interesting how this all starts to. But
that's the first visit looking at the hormones rebalancing to
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youthful vital levels, and a lot falls away in terms
of the pain after that first visit, a lot. I mean,
people women usually feel thirty better after that first visit. Uh.
Speaker 2 (28:20):
And you talk about that, and you actually gave some
really interesting you know, and what happens, just what you
really reveal is as the women start feeling better, you know,
you see them every six months or whatever, you see
the transformation in them, not only in how they carry themselves,
the lightness of being and the lightness and their step,
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but also how they radiate. Their skin glows, their hair
is more illustrous. They have a brightness about them and
a cheeriness, a sense of joy that they never had before.
And it really is quite a transformation, and it's it's
it's really amazing to see how it all starts with
rebalancing for and I don't think a lot of people
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understand that. I mean, the word hormonal is considered very negative.
We're gonna you know, and it's not It should be positive.
To be hormonal in a good way is very very positive.
And even I have I've experienced all of that prudence
trust me, and and had and had to rework. And
so I'm there with you. You know, I've gone through
the depression, I've gone through the way gate, I've gone
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through the loss of luster and the low lobido. I've
written about the lo libido and come very open about it,
particularly after going through cancer treatment. And what I'd like
to do. We're going to take a very short break.
When I come back. I want to touch on two
important areas that you address in the book that I
can share personal experience with, but also so many of
my listeners feel. One is menopause and libido and and
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and and one is menopause, the other's breast cancer and
how they all intertwine with working how you work with
women UH and bioidentical hormones, and if we have time,
I also want to talk about libido. So we're We're
listening to Fearless Fabulous You. Your hosts Melanie Young. This
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continued conversation with doctor Prudence Hall, who is founder of
the Hall Center in Santa Monica and author of Radiant
Again and Forever. We'll be right back in very very
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five paths of how I did it myself after my
own journey back from treatment during the break, Doctor Hall.
Doctor Prudence Hall of the founder of the Hall Center,
is my guest today and we talked about We talked
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about the first part of the show, what hormones. You know,
what we have in terms of hormones in our body,
and how it's important to keep say vital by keeping
your hormones and balance. But I want to underscore now
the importance of disease prevention and why it's essential to
keep your hormones in balance and managed to prevent disease.
Doctor Hall, let's talk about that, of Prudence.
Speaker 3 (32:22):
I think that this is one of the main reasons
why balancing your hormones is so important because as we age,
as women age, diseases arise, and the diseases that really
are the most critical in terms of causing death and
decline in women are heart disease, stroke, diabetes, high blood pressure, dementia.
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So these are really the main diseases that women die from.
And there's really quite a big awareness movement in the
United States now about heart disease as being the number
one killer of women in the United States, and hormones
really cause those diseases. There are a very very important
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reason why women get heart disease. For example, women on
their first visit they'll say, oh, I know, my cholesterol
is fine, and I'll tell them, you know, I'm really sorry,
but you've been in menopause now for a year and
your cholesterol actually is quite high, or your sugar is diabetic,
or your blood pressure is now high. And women are
shocked to find that at age forty eight they have
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some diseases that they really thought were diseases of women
in their seventies and eighties. So hormones create function in
the body, healthy function, and when the hormones are low,
diseases occur. So I just mentioned the Cedar study earlier
in the talk, where Cedar Sinai, which is one of
the big major hospitals here in Los Angeles, looked at
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so many women showing that heart disease was greatly decreased.
Women are on bioidentical hormones compared to women who are
not on bioidentical hormones. There's a big finny study with
twenty two a little more than twenty two thousand women
showing that no matter what age the woman is at,
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when they looked at morbidity and mortality of those women. So,
for example, you take a forty five year old woman,
a fifty year old woman, fifty three, no matter what
age you looked at, the woman on bioidentical hormones had
less death in less diseases at that age compared to
the woman who is not on bioidentical hormones. So we're
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talking about a shield, a shield that protects us from
unhealthy aging. And when hormones decline, like I said, I
routinely see diseases arise. So we don't want diseases. We
don't want to have to take lipatour for example, for
high cholesterol. And Dale Bretison is one of the chief
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Alzheimer's disease researchers in the world. I just love that man.
He has high integered and he's a huge, huge researcher
at UCLA, University of California of Los Angeles, and he
feels that hormones are a major part of preventing dementia.
In his new book, And the End of Dementia really
discusses all the different ways that dementia arises, and one
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of the very critical ways it arises is in menopause.
Women lose their extra dial and their adrenals and their
thyroid hormone, and dementia arises. And my mother died from dementia.
And I sat By really is a very young doctor.
I was a medical student when she developed the disease.
And no one had the slightest idea why and dial
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Brettesen says have tested more than one hundred drugs and
none of them work at all. There's one I think
it does a two percent of activity. And you know,
he's come up with a very integrated way of preventing dementia.
And boy, it has to do with balancing hormones. That's
one of the mainstays. Of course there are other things.
But you know, when your hormones are low, oh, your
sugar levels are high. When your hormones are low, cholesterol
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is high, stress is high, inflammation is high. So women
come in stressed and inflamed and a little bit demented.
Where they can't remember things, they can't sleep, they're so
stressed out, and these cause diseases. So this is the
context whereby really hormones offer their great value. This is
a feel good, live longer program. It's not a program
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where you feel good, die sooner, or get more diseases.
It's not that kind of a program. It is a
health and longevity program.
Speaker 2 (36:32):
I think that's really important because I mean, I mean,
men and women both suffer from dementia. I have dementia.
I think I have three members of my family now
with dementia. They're all in their nineties, but the onset
I think came earlier, and you know, it's sad to see,
you know. I think that dementia hormone deficiency imbalance is
very important as well as lack of social connection. I
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think many people who have dementia are starting to have
a get more isolated, which only ex disacerbates the situation,
which is a very very sad situation because I think
the elderly individuals are some of the most isolated people
out there, which is a whole other topic I get on.
I'm going to read it something from your book. This
is from the chapter on breast cancer and menopause. Another
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disease that I want to touch on, breast cancer and
menopause is the name of the chapter. So we're in menopause,
but breast cancer. I have estrogen receptive positive breast cancer.
I have been taking an aromaties inhibitor that I recently
went off by choice with my oncologists because I was
very getting very depressed, like not great, you know, like
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depression in a bad way. Bad. And you say in
this book and you just underscored it, But I'm understanding
eliminating estrogen which on an aromatise he's inhibitor basically inhibits
the production of estrogen, and there are estrogen blockers estrogen.
Eliminating estrogen from a woman's body results in more inflammation,
more internal stress, and higher blood sugar levels, which are
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all independent causes of cancer. Are in general, let's just
talk about that, because inflammation cancer is the result at all.
Disease is a result of inflammation in the body. But
many of us who are breast cancer survivors, you know,
we're so confused about the whole hormone and estrogen situation.
We're afraid to eat certain foods, We're afraid to have,
soy we're afraid to do den. I weighed very carefully,
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you know, going off arimedex myrimities inhibitors. They got to
come back. Let's talk about this.
Speaker 3 (38:28):
It's a big topic, Melanie, and it's a topic that
is in rapid fluctuation right now. For example, just looking
at what's happened to men. We were taught up until
about ten to passively fifteen years ago that testosterone was
the fuel that caused and fed prostate cancer. So testosterone
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knows if anyone wants to prevent prostate cancer, or they
if they have prostate cancer. So men were routinely given
testosterone blockers. And my father actually developed proscetin cancer, and
I saw what that did to him. It was terrible
that my.
Speaker 2 (39:04):
Father died of metastasized prostate cancer. So I totally understand.
Speaker 3 (39:09):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean men, men. Men lose their joy,
they lose their drive. And when men lose their testosterone,
and we now know that a whole bunch of bad
things happen, like in women when women lose their estrogen.
And Aide Morgenthall or Big Harvard, wonderful man. I just
love that man. Came up with the original study at
Harvard that showed that that was true, and he found
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out that it was three men and only only one
of them had prostate cancer, and it just wasn't true.
And it's been debunked and debunked and debunked, and he
now has a study looking at stage four prostate cancer
men and I'm looking very eagerly for you know, an
update on that. But the last time you know it
was it was mentioned it was that testosterone men who
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had stage four prostate cancer were treated with testosterone did
as well as traditional therapy, if not better. So that's
where women are. We're right at that stage where we're
taught estrogen causes breast cancer, and not only does it
cause it, I mean it will kill us if we
have it. Because all these biopses are done so estrogen
positive receptors, and we say, well, if there's a receptor
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that's positive for estrogen, then we'd better not you know,
feed that receptor estrogen because that'll create more cancer. And
you know, there are other ways of looking at this too,
like when you when you when you look at what
normally is in the breast, if you do biopsies of
the breast, the whole breath has estrogen receptors. I mean,
every single healthy, normal, wonderful sell in your in your
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breast has estrogen receptors. And when women start estrogen, their
breast plump up and they stop being faggy. And you know,
the vagina and the urinary bladder, and the bones and
the muscle all have estrogen receptors and that brings the
physiology back to normal when those receptors are fed. So
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it's like you're losing your bones. You take estrogen, the
bone respect You know, the muscles respond, you build more muscle,
The bladder stops leaking, and and you know, having urgency
and bladder infections because of estrogen. The vagina in the
longer chairs and rips and the vagina stops closing, and
we can have you know, sexual intercourse happily without pain
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because of estrogen receptors in the in the vagina. So
you know, estrogen. Estrogen receptors are everywhere. And to say
that to feed that is causing cancer. You know a
lot of studies, Melanie. I mean the last time I looked,
which was two years ago, in depth, it was more
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than five hundred studies. So these studies are not supporting
the fact that estrogen is bad for breast cancer. Now,
this is controversial, and each woman has to be looked
at individually, and I always get an oncologist to say
it's on right for her to use estrogen only bioidentical
and more and more oncologists need to look at it
in a slightly different way, and they're saying, well, the
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creams are okay, but you know, certainly the synthetic estrogens
are very bad and can't be used. Or because as
you say, low estrogen high inflammation. Ninety percent of cancer
is based in inflammation, and some big studies of collaborate that.
So you don't want an inflamed body. You don't want
(42:23):
to body that high that has high blood sugar where
the immunity is low. Estrogen supports the immune system. Women
women who are in menopause really get sick more, and
you want a strong immunity to fight off cancer. So
you know, there's an integrated way of looking at cancer,
and balanced hormones is part of that, just like balanced
(42:45):
hormones is a way to prevent heart disease, dementia, diabetes, stroke,
you know, and the major diseases of aging.
Speaker 2 (42:53):
Really good points, and I got to tell you, I mean,
I did the tradition a route because you know, your
diagnosed breast cancer, and all you would do is just
like got and I went to you know, it's Royal
sloe ketterying, so it's a big cancer center. They must
be right. And I followed all the rules. Didn't like them,
but I followed them and loved my oncologists. But you know,
I decided I made a conscious decision to get off
(43:14):
my aromities hibitor because I had a guest on my show, actually,
doctor Haley Fisher, right, who wrote a rearly book about
the medical medical profession, and she said, ask your doctor,
why are you prescribing this? What's it really going to
do for me? Why am I here? And I actually
pose that question to my oncologist, and she really said, well,
you're here because you're on an aromatis inhibitor, and so
(43:36):
therefore you're still in treatment. And I said, well, why
am I still on it? It's been eight and a
half years. They said, well, study's say that perhaps perhaps
being on it longer than ten years could help prevent
a recurrence. But it's a perhaps thing. There's you know,
and I just said, yeah, but all the side effects
are pretty bad, and so we made it. We were
on vacation from it. It's kind of interesting because I
do have a better rightness of being, But I think
(43:59):
that you got to ask those questions and it is
an individual situation. And you outline a case where you
treated a woman named Lauren who had breast cancer and
was going through menopause, and you worked very closely with
her in collegist which is really the way integrative medicine works.
It's integrative, which is really important, It really really is.
(44:22):
I think that people need to do their research. You've
really laid it out really well in Radiant Again, forever
we talked about all disease disease prevention. Are there any
other areas where you feel a woman can benefit from
bioidentical hormones that we have not talked about?
Speaker 3 (44:41):
Well? Her sexuality for sure.
Speaker 2 (44:42):
Yes.
Speaker 3 (44:43):
I think critical for women. And every day I see
new women come in saying that they're worried about their marriage,
or their husband is irritable because they haven't had intercourse
in you know, three months, or they used to have
such a passionate time together and now it's a day
and this is a this is really a worrisome for
(45:04):
a lot of women. I mean, some women will tell
me what I'm done with that part of life and
if it is he done with it, and the answers
sick me. Well, well, no, he's not actually done with it,
but I'm done with it. And and men can feel
abandoned and hurt. And in a way, it's the currency
that men deal with. You know, how are they paid
(45:25):
for showing up and fixing her cars? And you know
how we support us emotionally and letting us talk, which
we love to do. Sex. I'm really intimate, beautiful sexual contact.
And when women fall off with this, a part of
them really knows that this is not good for the relationship.
(45:45):
And how many women lose their sexuality in menopause. My
heart just things, yeah, Melanie, my heart, I mean I did.
My heart sings. When a woman will come in and
she's sixty and says, oh, I have a passionate sex life,
this response is almost non existent. I know, every once
in a while, somebody and I see couple just reunite
(46:07):
and they're happy and they're dazing each other like young lovers,
and they're they're traveling again together and active and revitalized,
and women are having orgasms again, and really, hormones. I mean,
this is hormones. To bring this back, women stop having orgasms,
or they're punky and their muscles are weak and they
can't even feel their orgasms, or women say they work
so hard at it, and it's it's a problem that's fixable,
(46:31):
and we're not alone with this. I think it's important
that we talk about it and really not kind of
suffer silently saying, well, my libido's gone, but everybody else's
is having a happy relationship, and that's not true. That's
really not true.
Speaker 2 (46:45):
It's true. You know, I've been through all of that.
I mean, seventy percent of breast cancer survivors experienced low
libido afterward. I mean, it's it's amazing. Ninety percent is
probably right to be more. I mean it's it's and
it is healthy. Is part of your healthy life. My
young college has actually set me down and gave me
(47:05):
a lecture on it. I was like, really, because I
was telling her we you know, I didn't want sex anymore.
She's like, you're going to dry up, and I want
to underscore that because she said, your vagina is going
to dry up like a walnut, and I visualize that
with E and I want to end this discussion with you.
And my message to everybody is you're never dried up
or washed out. You always have the ability to rejuvenate,
(47:28):
and you should never feel that way at any age.
No one should be washed out or wiped out. What
would you like to leave as party were insper my
listeners today, Prudence, Well.
Speaker 3 (47:40):
You're not alone. I think it's important to know that
we are a group of women who read, who go online,
who are smart, who are active in our lives. And
no question that you could ask your doctor a stupid
nothing that you bring to you know, really, a medical
professional should ever be pooh pooed. You should never be
made to feel that he or she is the superior one.
(48:03):
This is a dialogue you have with your doctor. It's
a relationship that's created like any other relationship, and it
has to be filled with respect and understanding and collaboration.
And really, your healthcare is in your hands as as
much as it's in his or her hands. And I
really wanted women empowered on this level because we're no
longer in a paternal society and we're in a society
(48:27):
where women are the light of the world. We're the
next way of bringing peace into the world and more
love and more understanding. And it's our job to stay healthy.
It's our job and responsibility to bring our light into
the world. Because we affect our husbands or our partners
(48:47):
or our family. We affect our communities, the state, the world.
We are global. We have global impact in the world,
and stay healthy on a physical level. I couldn't exprae.
Speaker 2 (49:00):
I couldn't agree more. And with that, I'm going to
edit with this. You have the right to be radiant forever.
You have the right to be radiant forever at any age,
and I'll add remain fearless and fabulous. So I want
to thank you for joining me today again doctor Prudence Hall,
the Hall Center. Radiant Again in Forever is your book.
I enjoyed this concussion. It was so invigorating. I feel
(49:23):
it's so excited. I can't wait to share it with everybody.
Thank you for joining me, and thank you to all
my listeners and my message again, you have the right
to be radiant forever, and say fearless and fabulous.
Speaker 4 (49:39):
Angels. Tell me how you feel about this.
Speaker 5 (49:48):
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