July 16, 2025 • 48 mins
Dr. Camille Powell has utilized her background as a top-tier equestrian athlete to establish a successful career as a high performance executive coach. She collaborates with athletes, business leaders, & those who work in high-stakes/high-risk environments such as firefighters & military. She owns and runs Realized Potential, training & coaching high competitive performance in various domains. Listen & learn as she shares her insights on strategies to realize the potential that is in all of us.
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Speaker 4 (00:56):
Hello and welcome to It's Your Voice, the show that
hosts enriching COMversations in diversity. My name is Bihia Yaxon.
I am a Corelamic coach and a diversity educator and
delighted to host this show today. We have a very
interesting conversation coming up with a performance coach and I
want to just let people know if you're interested in
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seeing some things that I train people in as a
coach and a trainer. You can go to my website
which is new what you want Coaching dot WordPress dot
com very much connected to building inclusive communities and creating
belonging where you work, where you live, and you can
find some samples there. So today I want to introduce
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our guest, doctor Camille Powell. Doctor Kamil Powell has a
master's and a higher level degree doctorate in sports and
performance psychology. It's Camille's greatest passion to help people realize
their potential and experience overall wellbeing, whether it be individuals, teams,
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or entire organizations. Camille's high performance and leadership experiences, which
we will hear something about her emotional intelligence, multicultural heritage,
and professional training and degrees allow her to effectively collaborate
with diverse populations in sport, business, high stakes environments, and
high risk occupations to develop psychological and interpersonal skills to
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help them achieve their goals, overcome performance challenges, and realize
their potential. And the title for this episode is exploring
basically what happens when you realize your potential potential. It's
a very exciting concept for everyone. And thank you welcome.
I want to call you doctor Powell, and I also
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want to call you Camille. Thank you for being here today.
Speaker 5 (02:48):
Yeah, thank you for having excited to be here in
this conversation.
Speaker 4 (02:52):
Well, I'm really excited about what you do and I
would like sorry, I have a progle in my throat today.
I've wondered if we could start with, given the fields
are in, which is really high level training for high
achieving athletes or first responders or people in intense positions
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where you need extreme confidence and focus. I would love
to hear about what led you to this field, knowing
that you were you are a equoin athlete yourself and
have achieved really high levels of success and thee at
Quine Field. Can you give us a little bit of
background of that first?
Speaker 5 (03:33):
Yeah, So, I mean I was very fortunate to kind
of get into horseback riding thanks to my mom when
I was very very young. I mean I was riding
before I could walk, and I kind of had a
knack for it, and I was very fortunate to have
amazing training, you know, not only for my mom and
her Olympic experiences, but all the amazing opportunities and connections
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that she made possible. And I work my way up
to the levels too, you know, ultimately my own goal
of the Olympic, and all along the way, you know,
I had to be making a career for myself, and
a lot of athletes in the equestrian sports will start
training and coaching other writers. And I recognized not only
was I fortunately very successful in my own sports endeavors,
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but I noticed as I was working with people my
ability to reach them and help them overcome challenges or
help them focus or help them perform. I had my
rids that I was training winning consistently. First second, you know,
all sorts of levels from the lowest to the highest levels.
And I realized I was like, okay, wow, I'm really
good at reaching people in this way. And then I realized,
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you know, I really had started to develop a passion for,
you know, going beyond just equestrian sports. And so in
my undergrad at cal Poly in Sand Louis Bispo, California,
I took a psychology class and I was like what
is this? And I was like, this is amazing. It
was so interesting, and I started a part of me
started to wake up I didn't even know I had.
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And I was like, Okay, this is is really intriguing.
And through that I had the opportunity to work with
a bunch of different athletes. Because I've then found that
sports psychology was a thing. I said, okay, well, there's
these two worlds blending of my athletics and my passion
for sports and high level competition and working with people
and helping them achieve their own endeavors. And at cal Poly,
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I had the fortunate opportunity to work with you know,
different basketball players, soccer players, track and field teams and
just you know, through some of the required experiences we
had to kind of take part into support our kind
of degree requirements. And then I was like, okay, well
I'm definitely going back for my master's and doctorate. And
then I refocused on my Olympic endeavors at that time.
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And then one of my horse that I was the
whole ultimate horse that I was hoping would be the
horse that would take me all the way he had
a career ending injury, which was pretty you know, heartbreaking
at the time, but it kind of allowed me the
space to refocus on I was like, okay, well, now
is the time to you know, let's be smart with
your time while I'm bringing these other horses along get
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my masters and my doctorate to be degree to be
the most competent I can be in the field of
sports psychology. And then once I started the masters, I
was like, whoa, this is what I'm supposed to be doing.
And I you know, again, i still love the riding
and the training, and I'm still very fortunate to be
able to do that as well. I have a great
clientele that still keep me on board because they love
working with me. But I've been able to branch off
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because of my master's and doctorate degree to work with
so many other populations and help them, you know, ultimately
realize their potential and experience just not only just thriving
and confidence, but just you know, overall just well being
and just you know, a different experience of fulfillment in
their lives inside and out of their sports. And that
was possible for my own, you know, finding my own
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passion and then realizing I could reach people beyond just
my my original sport of equestrian and equestrian sports. So
that's how I got here where I am now.
Speaker 4 (06:55):
That is so awesome. Yeah, I wanted to to share
with the listeners and viewers that one reason I know
you is because we were trained by the same person
in the form of coaching called core alignment coaching, Kate Michaels,
who is you know, awesome teacher and profoundly impacted many people.
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Sadly she's no longer with us, but she had a
profound effect on so many people, and I just love
that we have that kind of like when I say
every week I'm a core alignment coach. That's also in
your background and in your training, and so I wanted
to ask you how much do you do you bring
that into your subsequent deeper training in psychology and coaching.
Speaker 5 (07:43):
Absolutely, I bring it in in a lot of ways,
especially the aspect of you know, one of the biggest
principles of the coaching you know approach is asking people
questions to get them to give their own answers. You know,
we can tell people, you know, you can tell people advice,
you can tell people how they should do things, or
you know, what we believe was best for them. But
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the amazing aspect of coaching, which I blend with the
consulting and all that all my degrees is is getting
knowing how to ask the right questions to help people
discover the right information whether it's helping them discover the
barriers that are blocking them or the strengths that they
can pull from that are going to support them and
help them kind of align with with you know, their
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abilities and whatever performance realm that they're in, or whatever
area of life that they want to be more effective in.
It's asking the right questions. And that's a big principle
that I developed from those coaching practices that I believe
really kind of sets me apart. But also I just
really see how much more when the answers come from
every person I work with. It's just it's so much
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more impactful when they give the right answer. I mean
I might be able to say it, but they're going
to say it ten times better for themselves. So definitely
asking the right questions and helping kind of inspire their
own initiatives through those questions.
Speaker 4 (08:59):
Wow, that's really cool to hear. That's awesome. Yeah, And
also before we move into how you know more about
your specific field and work at the moment, I think
it's very helpful for all of us to hear your
description of what would you say how would you describe
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the difference between therapy and coaching?
Speaker 5 (09:24):
Yeah, and and kind of to take it a step
further as well. You know, I there's many terms that
can be used to describe, you know, several distinct distinguishing
terms like performance consultant, performance coach, psychological or mental skills specialist,
and high performance and psychology consultant. So just to kind
of let people understand the different ways we can be
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defined for myself and my field. So with those terms
in mind, the difference between that and you know, therapy
or even specific counseling is psychology, and you know, and
it's different approaches are kind of on a spect and
you have the therapy and you know, typical more clinical
work to address you know, more a prevalent kind of
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impactful challenges people have, you know, more on a day
to day consistent you know, anxiety that interferes with their
ability to just overall function in an optimal way, or
whether or potentially depression that would benefit from more the
therapeutic work that you might work with a counselor or
a therapist, the consulting and coaching, and you know, high
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performance work that I do is more about helping people
develop the psychological skills and the strategies to be most
effective in their realm of performance or again even just
day to day, but overall the focus is on what
skills do they need to focus better, what skills do
they need to regulate and be able to relax when
the pressure's on, or the skills they need to support
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their confidence and to be you know, allow them to
be most consistent to apply that you know, physical and
technical tactical skills that they practice without their mind getting
in the way. Because you know, many people, you know,
they have all the physical skills, technical skills, and they
put in all the training, but sometimes when the pressures
on or potential distractions in life are you know, more pervasive.
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If you don't have the skills and strategies to keep
your mind where it needs to be in the present
moment when you need to perform your Unfortunately, your physical
skills go out the window because our mind can kind
of hijack our ability to focus and just apply the skills.
And there's often corticil that's released literally in the brain
that interferes the way that the neurons are able to
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function and connections are able to be made in the
brain that ultimately impede our ability to apply those skills
and So that's why the psychology and the performance psychology
is so valuable and important because I help, you know,
and other people in my field help people identify the
strategies to stay consistent so they can apply those skills
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every single time, no matter what's happening. They can focus,
you know, they have their pre performance routine to allow
them to show up at their best, and then they
have the you know, they know types of distractions that
might interfere or types of you know, elements that can
interfere with their ability to perform, and then they have
strategy to then refocus if those if those elements show up.
So kind of that's the how I would make the
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initial distinction between you know, therapy and counseling work versus
what I do and where my focus is.
Speaker 4 (12:26):
Wow, that's really interesting. So just one tid that I'm
taking away from what you just said was like skill building,
like building mental performance skills and focusing on the skill
sets that will help them achieve what they want the most,
like helping them identify not only what they want, but
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what skills they need to accomplish it.
Speaker 5 (12:53):
Absolutely one. And the cool thing about you know what
I do as well is the skills are transferable, you
know what you know, you may want to say, I'm
working with you know a think of a good example.
We got to like say it's you know, a soccer
player that you know gets distracted by you know, you know,
other players making comments that interfere. So then they develop
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the strategies to you know, be able to block that
out or refocus on their process or you know, support
that confidence or just something to get them back in
the present. Say, then they're they're walking, you know, they're
working on they're say they're in school and they're in
college and something's distracting them when they're trying to study
for exam or they're trying to actually they're in the
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exam and a noise happens or something, and that might
may have distracted them before they actually have then like, oh,
the sports psychology skills that I use, I can just
refocus on my exam. And so just it's pretty amazing
as you identify, okay, what are what are the strategies
that support me in aligning with my best you know
performance and my best self, and then you people start
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to identify how to recognize when they are not in
their best performance whatever they're doing, and then how to
get themselves back there they want to, you know, whatever,
whatever they need to do, they'll know what to do.
It's very empowering, very empowered work. It's the agency that
people discover for themselves and realize about for themselves is
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pretty as is phenomenal. And you know, all the different
populations I've been able to work with, it's you know,
people like, oh I hear you know you do performance
psychology or can you help you know me with this
or help me with that? And you know, whether it's
studying for exams or it's you know, golfing or firefighters
or a pilot, you know, whatever it is, I'm able
to identify and help them identify, Okay, what are your needs,
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what are your goals? And then we identify the best
strategies to implement for them and the results are phenomenal.
Speaker 4 (14:51):
So oh well, I was everyone could have this. I
wish we had a curriculum that we could implement in
high schools across the country with your training.
Speaker 5 (15:05):
Well, and it's really we're pretty cool as well. I've
been fortunate. I mean, I'm working with a ten year
old athlete right now, you know, so it's like as
young as ten years old, you know, to you know, fifties,
sixties or does it doesn't matter. It's like, what are
your you know, it's my job to be able to
adapt to the client and translate the information to help
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them understand themselves and the performance needs and the skills
and strategies that they can best implement to support them.
Speaker 4 (15:32):
I want to go back to the concept of like
you can be hijacked by your mind, because I think
that that's extremely common. And I'll just say I'll just
say in our culture, just to make a broad sweeping statement,
it's so it's very common. And you could say, maybe
it's you know, people us following you know, algorithms going
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down rabbit holes where we sort of give up some
of our own thinking and sort of the track of
our habits and sort of like, you know, then we
kind of click out and come back to the present
and we're like what do I What it was I
what did I want to focus on? Like what's actually
is important to me? And I remember it reminds me
also when sometimes when my children were struggling younger growing up,
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I remember saying with like a thought or something that
was you know, not inspiring. I would say, well, remember
you can change your thoughts like you're in charge of
your mind. Your mind is not in charge of you.
But that is so much easier said than done. And
it you know, we really have to cultivate the For me,
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it's cultivating the belief that that is possible. We can
reprogram ourselves. That's why I loved Kate Michaels and why
I studied with her for four years, Uh, to learn
how to reprogram ourselves. And like you said, from your
the answers come from the clients. But I'd love to
hear you say more about because let me just say
one more thing before I turn it back to you.
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I've taught a course called Who's in Charge of Your Mind?
Kind of to look at the explore like what are
the possibilities and speaking of your field of you know,
your name of realizing potential, What do you what can
you what else can you tell us about how possible
it is to not let our minds be hijacked?
Speaker 5 (17:22):
Yeah, well, it's the first important to understand kind of
what it is. Everybody's different, everybody's unique, and whatever it
might be hijacking their mind or derailing their thinking or
whatever whatever word you might want to use to describe
that experience where you leave as a moment, right, I
would want to understand obviously, if I was working with somebody,
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what is that's actually happening for them. But a very
common common theme that happens is, first off, something you
know potentially triggers or spikes our arousal in some level,
which which then narrors are thinking to potentially be more
threat related, perceiving some sort of threats, something's making us anxious,
something stressing us out, or we have a lot of
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demands we feel like we have and we lose that
sense of agency of like, okay, where do I even start.
Often that's a common common theme of if you were
to use a kind of more broad example and kind
of a day to day experience. And then so the
first thing that you typically would want to do is
you need to kind of regulate yourself first and regain
control of your your thinking by first deactivating that sympathetic
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nervous system activation that happens where it spikes that out
arousal level or that adrenaline that then interferes with your
ability to direct your thinking where you want it to go.
And then, and this is where the awareness piece is
so important. And you know, practicing those that mindfulness at work,
and you know, that's a big part of what I
do is help people become more aware of what's even
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happening to them day to day or even or in
their performance. Because you've got it, you have to be
aware first to know how to regain control of that
to then choose be able to choose what you want
to do next. So being aware of you know, what's
eventually triggered you or distracted you or cause you to
leave the present moment. And so a big part of
that then is then you have to breathe through that
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and calm yourself down, because if you don't calm yourself down,
you can't. You good luck trying to tell yourself I
don't want to focus on that, or I want to
think about it this, and staid, You've got to be
able to calm your regular self down and so breathing,
you know, breathing deep diaframatic breaths to kind of get
yourself down. You might have to take a couple breaths,
you might have to take five, you might even want
it might be enough, and then you actually then can
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have control of, like, well, where do I want to focus?
What do I want to do? Where is my control?
Where where can I take bring my agency back to
you know, to be productive day to day or focus
on something different. You got to regulate yourself first, and
then you actually can redirect where you put your focus,
because if you don't, if you don't regulate yourself, your
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your your mind thinks it's attending to something that's way
more pressing, which is really hard to then move away from.
It's it's just a you know, survival mechanism. It's looking
out for you. Our brains are not perfect, right, it
tries it's a predictive, you know, mechanism that tries to
help us function best, and so we have to teach
our brains how to function best for us in the
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present day and the present moment with what's in front
of us. And then then you can actually start to
take control with you know, using that breath and then
identifying what can I take control of? Where do I
want to put my focus? What types of thinking patterns
do I want to have? And then you identify you
know those types of you know elements to then replace
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you know, old thinking patterns or old experiences that are
not serving your whether it's in your performance or just
day to day. So does that make sense?
Speaker 4 (20:46):
Yeah, so I love the way you're explaining. It really
makes sense, and I think it's very helpful. I like
using the expression average bear, Like I think that like
this is like really useful information for anyone, you know, like, oh, okay, regulate,
oh yeah, regulate myself, uh big, so that our minds
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can listen and believe and believes, like, you know, everything's okay,
We're not being threatened at the moment. Actually, to get
out of the fear, and you said, take a deep
diaformatic breath, it could take one, two, three, maybe five,
And it's just fascinating to think, Wow, seriously, I know
I take deep breath. I'm known for like big size,
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and I'm like, yeah, yeah, it helps me regulate and
get cleared or get present. Yes.
Speaker 5 (21:40):
Well, and also it's you'll feel the calmness come over you.
You have to, and that's often where you have to
trust the breath and trust the Okay, it doesn't feel
like it's happening right away. You have to just just
keep breathing through that and it will and box breathing
is another strategy that many people use, where you have,
you know, four second count and hail four second count,
hole old for a second count, exhale or second hold,
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and you just kind of keep repeating. It's a common
strategy a lot of a lot of people like to use.
But using those type strategies and then trusting it, you
will start to feel calm. And sometimes you can feel
a little bit dizzy initially because of just the different
you know, oxygenation that's happening in your brain and the
changes that happen when you breathe deeper, like that when
you maybe have been breathing a little bit more shallow,
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or you might be a little bit more stressed. Some
people yawn. So it's it's common things that can happen
when you start to actually calm and then you're just
you're just like okay, Wow, I feel okay. And then
you're like okay, and then you and then you decide, okay,
now what do I want to do? Where do I
want to put my focus, Where do I want to
put my energy now that I'm back in the present
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with myself in the moment.
Speaker 4 (22:47):
I love the way I love how you use agency
and that we can reclaim or use or tap into
our state of agency, and that I think we're where
it's been so knocked out of so many of us,
whether it's through conditioning or circumstances or and there there
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are you know, tremendously painful things happening in our country
with our government and other countries that sometimes we're just planal,
very hard to deal with emotionally and to accept. We
don't want to accept, we can't accept, which feels you know,
you know, unbearable or unacceptable. But you remind me that
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we can use our agency. It's a choice, and I
want I would like to hear more from you about
like because sometimes it can sound like really again, easier
said than done, Like if I were being cynegal, i'd say, oh, well,
you know, okay, you know, tell me how can I
see my choices or what do you mean, you know,
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reclaim my own agency? Can you just say more about that? Well?
Speaker 5 (23:57):
Yeah, absolutely, Well, first, I mean I don't want to
speak for you know, any populations or any person or
anyone experiencing any element of hardship that I cannot personally
challenge or are you know, unwrite whatever it might be
for people I don't want to speak for that and
speak for them or anything, but the important what I
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do want to say is for anybody that can I mean,
even for people that are and more disadvantaged and you know,
outright unacceptable positions in many ways, they you know, you
still try to focus on what is in my control
and what can I do for myself and how can
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I take care of my well being when other elements
of my life experience or just life in general is
out of my control. And so just coming back to
the present moment and yourself and your experience, where you
can decide what do I need to do for myself
regardless of you know, what is in my control? Just
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simply even asking that question is like what can I control?
If I can't control X, y Z, what can I control?
And whether it's you know, even just simply taking a
drink of water again, even just bringing ourselves back to
that sense of the rule. We have more agency than
we realize in each and every moment that we have.
And so it's even just taking the breath, choosing to
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take that breath to calm you down, and then choosing
choosing to take a walk or choosing to you know,
whatever you feel you want to influence in your own positive,
impactful way, you can identify that. And so for people
it is for them it is to decide, Okay, what
do I want to positively impact and what do I
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want to change? Where is my control in that? And
like that's where you have to put your focus when
if anything anything else beyond that that you can't actually change,
It doesn't serve you to focus on that. It doesn't
serve anybody. And it doesn't mean you pretend it doesn't exist.
You just say I can't control that, but I can
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control this. And so you know, to bring it back
to the sports example as well, it's as simple as
saying you have and again not saying bad weather is
the same thing as unfortunate elements that are happening to
people in real time. But it's saying I can't control
the weather. So focusing on the bad weather is only
going to distract me from being my best or functioning
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my best, or applying my skills my best. And so
it's you want to be in your best self regardless
of the circumstances. Where can you apply your focus and
your energy and what strategies do you need to develop
because a lot of it is people might not even
have know how to use the strategies or know how
to focus. So it's it's bringing back to where do I.
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Where can I influence my control? Where can I not?
Where I cannot? I'm going to just set that aside
for now and just keep refocusing. And then if I
feel like a person someone feels like they can't apply
the right strategy so they don't know how to, that's
where you know, they can consult people that can support them,
or they should consult people that can help them, and
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then that then they can identify specifically for them what
works best to take that agency back, So you know,
identifying first where is my control? And then if you
feel like you then can't influence that control, then you
identify what extra support might I need to keep focusing on.
That Does that answer your question?
Speaker 4 (27:35):
Yeah, that's excellent. That's really very practical and easily digestible information.
So yes, thank you. That does answer my question. It's
just really good information. I want to I'd like to
hear more about. Oh right now, why don't you just
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say to uh out loud how people can contact you?
And then I'll go to my next question, do you want
to just give you have an email address, a website, Instagram.
Speaker 5 (28:05):
Yes, so my email is Powell one p O W
E L L C A M I L L E
one at gmail dot com and just like the number one,
and then my Instagram is Realized Potential Underscore CP and
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I even you know accept phone calls five three zero
three zero four three eight three six.
Speaker 4 (28:32):
Wow. That's that's nice.
Speaker 5 (28:34):
My website is on is on the headliner as well.
Speaker 4 (28:37):
It's C.
Speaker 5 (28:38):
Powell Sports Psychology, dash Coaching dot com.
Speaker 4 (28:44):
Great, thank you, I am uh. I would love to
hear more about It's just really hopeful concept. I love
I love the name of your your company because just
the concept, just saying the words and seeing the words
realize potential is motivating and there's so much more we
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could do. And it also reminds me of like that's
really important when we have enough support from the universe.
I know this doesn't lea as you well put, doesn't
apply to everyone in every situation, because some situations are
very dire. But when we have enough support from the
universe to focus on realizing our potential, that's just such
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a good movement forward. Just to keep moving forward to not,
like you said, get bogged down, not get distracted by
what we cannot change, and to focus on what we
can and what we potentially can't even if right now
I mean believe or see what I could potentially realize.
If I have coaching support, it helps tremendously to draw
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out more of the potential and to learn steps to
realize it. And I just want to hear your response
to that, like your name Realizing Potential, and also more
about the different populations that you work with.
Speaker 5 (30:08):
Yeah, so I chose the name Realized Potential, and then
I have High Performance Psychology and Executive Coaching LLC. The
reason why I chose Realize Potential is because that's really
what I do is and what I've always done, and
I discovered I was really good at is helping people
align in their strengths or align and you know, you know,
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and it translates to outside of their performance ultimately, which
is which is phenomenal and incredibly rewarding and fulfilling to me.
But I am able to identify in people what makes
them unique and what makes them most impactful in whatever
they're doing, and that just carries over into other anything
else that they do, and so that's why I chose that,
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because like I help people realize their potential and realize
what they're capable of and continuing to level up themselves.
Is that something that they want to do. And then
the different populations that I work with, it's been pretty
it's been incredible. I mean I chose initially I wanted
to expand, you know, through my program, we're supposed to
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or we have the opportunity to complete this certification for
Mental Performance Consulting, and part of that requirement is you
have to complete four hundred mentored hours with a mentor.
And during that process, I you know, wanted to that
was I wanted to use that as my opportunity to
expand to different fields to see where I was most effective.
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And what I continue to discover is, you know, people
and helping people thrive and just helping each unique person,
regardless of their performance realm is where I'm most effective.
And so I love being able to work with all
the different populations that I work with because it's it's
I love going through the process of helping them identify
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their own unit because everyone is unique, and I think
that's the important distinction that I make is that every person,
even if you are in the same sport, is different
and unique, and so what it is that helps them
thrive or realize their potential is specific and unique, and
so being able to transfer to different performance realms is
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just an ad layer of added layer of reward and
excitement and incredible experience being able to learn, you know,
all the unique aspects that are required for that performance realm.
And so I, you know, I'm very adaptable, and so
that's something I love doing as well, is not only
aligning with the unique person or team or population I
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get to work with, but then also aligning with the
performance demands that are required for that. So I've worked
with as I was kind of mentioning earlier, you know,
golf players, tennis players, skateboarders, equestrian athlete, soccer player, what else, pilots, firefighters, doctors,
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medical students, you know, all sorts of you know, just
I'm I'm excited to continue to see oh yeah, executives
and different you know, just, I have yet to find
a place where I don't love it and I don't
see incredible results for people. And I just love continuing
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to expand and grow and just continuing to be more
effective in everything. You know that I'm very fortunate to
do in this field.
Speaker 4 (33:33):
So it's so it's it's so unique, and it's it's
really too it's it's really easy to envision that it
is that it is like a kind of a you
can correct my language if you feel like you can
make it more accurate, sort of like universal skill sets
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that human beings have to realize their potential, but but adaptable.
You do research and you learn if you about what
what's demanded in tennis, what's demanded when you're on a horse,
what's demanded if you're golfing, what's demanded if you're a doctor,
or if you're a firefight. You're able to look at
the context, yes, ask questions, research and then go to
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that universal aspect of you know, mental skill building and
psychological confidence building and all.
Speaker 5 (34:24):
Yes, exactly, very well said.
Speaker 4 (34:26):
That's so cool, and uh, I know it's powerful.
Speaker 5 (34:33):
It's so cool to see the transformations and people and
seeing them realize like, oh wow, I could do that
or I can do that and I didn't realize that.
And you know, I'm quick to catch uh you know,
when I am working somebody out, you know, they they
they you know, I'm pretty humorous and fun and engaging
throughout the process, and so they'll have them laughing sometimes
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when I you know, they're we're in the moment doing
something and they're starting I'll just look at them and
they just start laughing, like I'm not supposed to say
that about myself, my bad And then they and then
they change it. And so again, even the lightness of that,
it creates so much space for for change to happen,
because it's you know, when you're anticipating negative things happening
while you're trying to make changes, or in those pressured
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or stressful environments, it can impede the process. And so
being able to keep it light and fun, I mean,
this is serious work, absolutely, and depending on who I'm
working with and what the performance demands are, like I adapt,
you know, you keep it light when you can, you
make it fun. But then you know, I'm pretty direct
and serious about keeping things on track, and I meet,
you know, clients, you know, comment continuously. You know, I've
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been working on trying to work on these things for
you know, ten years, and just in a few sessions,
I'm I'm feeling shifts that i haven't seen before and
it's just very rewarding work and so I take it
very seriously and continuing to you know, develop myself so
I can continue to be effective and help all the
people I'm I'm able to work with, I mean working
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with different populations, whether it's the pilots or the firefighters
as well as like, that's very meaningful. Not that course
sports and everything very important and meaningful work to me
as well. But knowing that I'm people that give so
much of themselves for their work is very rewarding to
me as well. You know, to help them be most
effective and prevent burnout and allow them to you know,
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ultimately look out for their theirselves and their own kind
of performance needs and more high risk occupations is very
very rewarding to me.
Speaker 4 (36:34):
Wow, I'd love to ask you more about that, the
performance needs in high risk occupations because like I was
just picturing, like, can you give me a snapshot like
a general and of course not not related to any
specific individuals or departments or anything, but of like thinking
of like a high risk like police work or firefighter
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firefighters work, like what what do you what? What what
are they able to do? Then I'm sure, I'm sure
you can enhance, but what is what are they doing?
What is the mental skill they're strengthening and using and
able to step into and super higher situations where it
is life or death to maintain focus and presence.
Speaker 5 (37:20):
Well, and again, everybody is unique and different and so
but a lot of times many many people in those
kind of are often they function and higher stress. They
function best in those higher stress situations. So you know,
there's there's an inverted U diagram that's often illustrated to
describe people's you know, optimal activation level where they can
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function and perform at their best. And so, uh, you know,
for somebody in that realm, they're likely higher up on
that activation level where they can be functioning and focusing
and really aligning with what they need to do. But
so what they're able to do ultimately is they just
kind of can hone in on whatever the demands are
(38:03):
of the moment, and so they're not thinking about, oh
I could die. I mean that might fleeting thoughts might
come through. But that's part of what my job is
to do is help them like, Okay, well you identify, okay,
what are the risks you know you might need to
acknowledge Okay, yeah, these these are real. These things can happen.
But what can I do to prevent those things from happening?
There's an element of control that you have to you know,
(38:24):
let ghots like, well, ultimately I can't control X, y Z.
You can't predict everything that happens. But what is in
my control? What is my training? What are you know?
What are potential elements that do interfere with me? Where
do I lapse concentration or where do I what does
distract me and can interfere with my ability to stay
focused on the task. And so it's identifying what those
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elements are and then developing the strategies to stay focused
on the task. You know, whether you know whatever it
might need be that they need to do for their
task to be effective in those stress whether it's a
firefighter rescuing something or you know, a SWAT team going
into a building or something, whatever it might be. You
help them identify, Okay, you know, what are common things
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that interfere with what their mission is potentially or what
could interfere if maybe they don't even have a challenge
that has showed up, you want to identify, Okay, let's
help them be most effective, so we can prevent those
things from happening. And then it's implementing the focused technique strategies,
effective thinking shots, regulating techniques and stuff. And then and
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then going through various simulations of like okay, now, I
mean they already do very much the simulation practice and
going through training, going through different you know, exer you know,
missions that they have to do or strategies or training
that they have to do. But then you add the
added element of the mental skills training to make sure
their mind is staying in the present where they need
to be throughout the whole task. And then you can
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also then identify, Okay, I lapsed in my focus here,
or this got me or this threw me off, or
this happened, and then you're like, okay, how do we
prevent that from happening again? And then you go through, Okay,
implement this strategy, implement that strategy, and a lot of
it is also using even just imagery and visualization of
like identifying being able to see yourself or feel yourself,
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going through using all your senses to see yourself successfully
completing and that in and of itself, when we visualize
things with vivid detail, and controlled mechanism, you are actually
enervating your brain the same way as if you're actually
doing it, so you're actually able to like miilienate those
neural pathways as if you physically practice it, which is
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phenomenal And I say this every single time. Amazing to
know and so like, that's why it's so important being
so intentional seeing what you want to happen and making
it go the way you want it to go, and
if anything interferes, you identify, okay, what was that, and
then you implement the appropriate strategy to mitigate that from happening.
Speaker 4 (40:56):
Again, I'm so glad you mentioned that visualization that I
so glad you did that, the power of it and
how well you described it, because I was going to
ask right before you said that, I was like, well,
what's a short cut? What's a shortcut to like, you know,
fighting a fire or lacis stick with that, uh and
then get distracted? What's the quickest sort of cut to
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like go back to like I'm fighting a fire and
it's and I'm good. Visualization would be an instant when.
Speaker 5 (41:26):
Right, Yeah, potentially, I mean it depends on where you're
dealing with. You know, how much time or space you
have to like get right back in. But like really honestly,
that's where you identify, okay, certain strategies to like snap
you back. And so it's like even just taking your
breath and say I'm here, or having a Q word
or phrase. And this is where these skills are so
important to develop and establish prior to needing them. That's
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why it's important. This is this, this type of work
is proactive work. So you have all the strategies. You know,
the elements that interfere with your ability to perform, so
you have locked in in place like what you need
to be doing. And again it's dynamic, it's not doesn't
go perfectly seamless, but that's why you have the strategies
to set you up for success. You know, your pre
performance routine or whatever it might be, your setup, get
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where you need to be, go into the space where
you're you know you need to be most effective, and
then you have your strategies to snap you back. So
it's it's it's knowing where you thrive, you know, and
where you are most effective, whatever activation level it is,
whatever your thinking patterns are, whatever your visualization. You know,
some people are more visual and before you go into
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those spaces, you see yourself doing those things. Some people
are more verbal and need to hear themselves talking themselves
to it. Or you might even just say focus, focus,
or whatever words they might want to use. They'll have
their strategies in place to snap them back, if you know,
because inevitable, you know, things happen you can't control.
Speaker 4 (42:50):
So yes, and and I love that. Thank you for
mentioning other you know other like auditory might work better
for some people. Excellent. I think we have only like
four or five minutes left, so I want to stick out,
throw out a couple more questions and then make sure
you get to have your closing thought. One is like
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we just kind of reiterating what you said, like practice
and advance and reinforce so that it becomes your main highway,
so to speak one of my kids exactly, it's it's
the main neural pathway and the other ones. You don't
try to make them disappear, You don't develop an attitude.
You accept them. They you know they might come into
play and you go, oh yeah, okay, then you go
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back to your new neural pathway that's like regulated and
able to focus. So while that takes practice and reinforcement. Also,
what I know about coaching and you can add more
is like how efficient and effective it is? Like it
like and again this is just based on my experience.
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I don't know. It just let me just leave it there,
like how I don't know. It's just so like doesn't
seem to take as many sessions as other forms of
support can take.
Speaker 5 (44:05):
Yeah, well, and again, different people need different things that
might require more time, right, and so you know we
obviously you know, respect that and leave that for its
for its own honoring. I think what is especially with
the populations I'm fortunate to work with, one of the
biggest things is well, obviously you need again when you
approach each person as their own, or each population or
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team or organization whatever it might be, as its own entity.
And you don't just try to apply blanket or generalize, oh,
just do this it'll work, or just do that you
have to, you know, but through the process, you know,
especially my approach and informed by the coaching part of it,
is like again, I approach each unique person, I honor
their own their own experience, or each team or whatever
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it might be their own as their own entity. And
then I deeply understand that, so then I can approach
them as they are. And then it's through the asking
of the questions too, and blending the techniques and the
strategies and the with the questions that I ask them
that is what allows them to basically tell themselves the
things I want to tell them without me having to
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tell them. Says, It's again so much more influential and
impactful and truly makes change, lasting, foundational change when they
speak it to themselves, and they say it to themselves
because they're activating so many more parts of their brain
and they're They're like, I'm the one telling myself this,
Nobody else is telling me I can do this. And
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then again they come up with their own understandings of things,
and it's so much more influential for them. And I
believe that is very very much a huge part of
why it can create change so quickly is because I'm
not just telling them you need to do it this way,
or you're supposed to do that, or you're supposed to
do this. I am absolutely coming equipped with the strategies
and the education and the skills and the training to
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identify what they need to do. But then I'm asking
the questions that get them to you know, beyond the
skill development strategy aspect, but identifying the thinking patterns or
the strategies or the barriers that then help them bypass
all of that to align on the new path and
the neural you know, the new neural networks that they
want to be developing. Because you can't just say you
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Another important element you mentioned this as well, is I
want to add this is you know, if you have
old thinking or old thoughts or old patterns or whatever
it might be that you don't want, you can't just
say stop, don't do that. I don't think about that,
don't think about that. Every time you do that, you're
just you're fueling it and you're entertaining it. You need
to actually be able to stop and then refocus with
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you know, many of the skills and strategies I help
people develop to replace those old packways with the new
ones that will actually support them.
Speaker 4 (46:43):
Wow. Okay, well, I just want to give you one
more chance to say how people can contact you, and
then you'll have like, you know, forty five seconds for
your closing thought, and then I'll thank everyone.
Speaker 5 (46:56):
Yeah, so again, people can email me. Pow will come
one at gmail dot com. P O W E L
L C A M I L L E one at
gmail dot com. Five three zero three zero four grade
three six on my website cpalsports Psychology dot or dash
coaching dot com. Thank you for the opportunity to do this.
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I this was great conversation and I'm just was grateful
to share this space with you.
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Thank you. If I were ahead of an HR department anywhere,
it would be contact to you immediately. Thank you for
your awesome work, and thank you for your time today.
I so appreciate it, and I absolutely you just articulate
how our brains work so incredibly in such digestible ways.
It's that's really wonderful to hear. And I also want
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we will hear something about her emotional intelligence, multicultural heritage,
and professional training and degrees allow her to effectively collaborate
with diverse populations in sport, business, high stakes environments, and
high risk occupations to develop psychological and interpersonal skills to
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help them achieve their goals, overcome performance challenges, and realize
their potential. And the title for this episode is exploring
basically what happens when you realize your potential potential. It's
a very exciting concept for everyone. And thank you welcome.
I want to call you doctor Powell, and I also
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want to call you Camille. Thank you for being here today.
Speaker 5 (02:48):
Yeah, thank you for having excited to be here in
this conversation.
Speaker 4 (02:52):
Well, I'm really excited about what you do and I
would like sorry, I have a progle in my throat today.
I've wondered if we could start with, given the fields
are in, which is really high level training for high
achieving athletes or first responders or people in intense positions
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where you need extreme confidence and focus. I would love
to hear about what led you to this field, knowing
that you were you are a equoin athlete yourself and
have achieved really high levels of success and thee at
Quine Field. Can you give us a little bit of
background of that first?
Speaker 5 (03:33):
Yeah, So, I mean I was very fortunate to kind
of get into horseback riding thanks to my mom when
I was very very young. I mean I was riding
before I could walk, and I kind of had a
knack for it, and I was very fortunate to have
amazing training, you know, not only for my mom and
her Olympic experiences, but all the amazing opportunities and connections
(03:54):
that she made possible. And I work my way up
to the levels too, you know, ultimately my own goal
of the Olympic, and all along the way, you know,
I had to be making a career for myself, and
a lot of athletes in the equestrian sports will start
training and coaching other writers. And I recognized not only
was I fortunately very successful in my own sports endeavors,
(04:17):
but I noticed as I was working with people my
ability to reach them and help them overcome challenges or
help them focus or help them perform. I had my
rids that I was training winning consistently. First second, you know,
all sorts of levels from the lowest to the highest levels.
And I realized I was like, okay, wow, I'm really
good at reaching people in this way. And then I realized,
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you know, I really had started to develop a passion for,
you know, going beyond just equestrian sports. And so in
my undergrad at cal Poly in Sand Louis Bispo, California,
I took a psychology class and I was like what
is this? And I was like, this is amazing. It
was so interesting, and I started a part of me
started to wake up I didn't even know I had.
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And I was like, Okay, this is is really intriguing.
And through that I had the opportunity to work with
a bunch of different athletes. Because I've then found that
sports psychology was a thing. I said, okay, well, there's
these two worlds blending of my athletics and my passion
for sports and high level competition and working with people
and helping them achieve their own endeavors. And at cal Poly,
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I had the fortunate opportunity to work with you know,
different basketball players, soccer players, track and field teams and
just you know, through some of the required experiences we
had to kind of take part into support our kind
of degree requirements. And then I was like, okay, well
I'm definitely going back for my master's and doctorate. And
then I refocused on my Olympic endeavors at that time.
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And then one of my horse that I was the
whole ultimate horse that I was hoping would be the
horse that would take me all the way he had
a career ending injury, which was pretty you know, heartbreaking
at the time, but it kind of allowed me the
space to refocus on I was like, okay, well, now
is the time to you know, let's be smart with
your time while I'm bringing these other horses along get
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my masters and my doctorate to be degree to be
the most competent I can be in the field of
sports psychology. And then once I started the masters, I
was like, whoa, this is what I'm supposed to be doing.
And I you know, again, i still love the riding
and the training, and I'm still very fortunate to be
able to do that as well. I have a great
clientele that still keep me on board because they love
working with me. But I've been able to branch off
(06:26):
because of my master's and doctorate degree to work with
so many other populations and help them, you know, ultimately
realize their potential and experience just not only just thriving
and confidence, but just you know, overall just well being
and just you know, a different experience of fulfillment in
their lives inside and out of their sports. And that
was possible for my own, you know, finding my own
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passion and then realizing I could reach people beyond just
my my original sport of equestrian and equestrian sports. So
that's how I got here where I am now.
Speaker 4 (06:55):
That is so awesome. Yeah, I wanted to to share
with the listeners and viewers that one reason I know
you is because we were trained by the same person
in the form of coaching called core alignment coaching, Kate Michaels,
who is you know, awesome teacher and profoundly impacted many people.
(07:19):
Sadly she's no longer with us, but she had a
profound effect on so many people, and I just love
that we have that kind of like when I say
every week I'm a core alignment coach. That's also in
your background and in your training, and so I wanted
to ask you how much do you do you bring
that into your subsequent deeper training in psychology and coaching.
Speaker 5 (07:43):
Absolutely, I bring it in in a lot of ways,
especially the aspect of you know, one of the biggest
principles of the coaching you know approach is asking people
questions to get them to give their own answers. You know,
we can tell people, you know, you can tell people advice,
you can tell people how they should do things, or
you know, what we believe was best for them. But
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the amazing aspect of coaching, which I blend with the
consulting and all that all my degrees is is getting
knowing how to ask the right questions to help people
discover the right information whether it's helping them discover the
barriers that are blocking them or the strengths that they
can pull from that are going to support them and
help them kind of align with with you know, their
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abilities and whatever performance realm that they're in, or whatever
area of life that they want to be more effective in.
It's asking the right questions. And that's a big principle
that I developed from those coaching practices that I believe
really kind of sets me apart. But also I just
really see how much more when the answers come from
every person I work with. It's just it's so much
(08:46):
more impactful when they give the right answer. I mean
I might be able to say it, but they're going
to say it ten times better for themselves. So definitely
asking the right questions and helping kind of inspire their
own initiatives through those questions.
Speaker 4 (08:59):
Wow, that's really cool to hear. That's awesome. Yeah, And
also before we move into how you know more about
your specific field and work at the moment, I think
it's very helpful for all of us to hear your
description of what would you say how would you describe
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the difference between therapy and coaching?
Speaker 5 (09:24):
Yeah, and and kind of to take it a step
further as well. You know, I there's many terms that
can be used to describe, you know, several distinct distinguishing
terms like performance consultant, performance coach, psychological or mental skills specialist,
and high performance and psychology consultant. So just to kind
of let people understand the different ways we can be
(09:46):
defined for myself and my field. So with those terms
in mind, the difference between that and you know, therapy
or even specific counseling is psychology, and you know, and
it's different approaches are kind of on a spect and
you have the therapy and you know, typical more clinical
work to address you know, more a prevalent kind of
(10:08):
impactful challenges people have, you know, more on a day
to day consistent you know, anxiety that interferes with their
ability to just overall function in an optimal way, or
whether or potentially depression that would benefit from more the
therapeutic work that you might work with a counselor or
a therapist, the consulting and coaching, and you know, high
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performance work that I do is more about helping people
develop the psychological skills and the strategies to be most
effective in their realm of performance or again even just
day to day, but overall the focus is on what
skills do they need to focus better, what skills do
they need to regulate and be able to relax when
the pressure's on, or the skills they need to support
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their confidence and to be you know, allow them to
be most consistent to apply that you know, physical and
technical tactical skills that they practice without their mind getting
in the way. Because you know, many people, you know,
they have all the physical skills, technical skills, and they
put in all the training, but sometimes when the pressures
on or potential distractions in life are you know, more pervasive.
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If you don't have the skills and strategies to keep
your mind where it needs to be in the present
moment when you need to perform your Unfortunately, your physical
skills go out the window because our mind can kind
of hijack our ability to focus and just apply the skills.
And there's often corticil that's released literally in the brain
that interferes the way that the neurons are able to
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function and connections are able to be made in the
brain that ultimately impede our ability to apply those skills
and So that's why the psychology and the performance psychology
is so valuable and important because I help, you know,
and other people in my field help people identify the
strategies to stay consistent so they can apply those skills
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every single time, no matter what's happening. They can focus,
you know, they have their pre performance routine to allow
them to show up at their best, and then they
have the you know, they know types of distractions that
might interfere or types of you know, elements that can
interfere with their ability to perform, and then they have
strategy to then refocus if those if those elements show up.
So kind of that's the how I would make the
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initial distinction between you know, therapy and counseling work versus
what I do and where my focus is.
Speaker 4 (12:26):
Wow, that's really interesting. So just one tid that I'm
taking away from what you just said was like skill building,
like building mental performance skills and focusing on the skill
sets that will help them achieve what they want the most,
like helping them identify not only what they want, but
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what skills they need to accomplish it.
Speaker 5 (12:53):
Absolutely one. And the cool thing about you know what
I do as well is the skills are transferable, you
know what you know, you may want to say, I'm
working with you know a think of a good example.
We got to like say it's you know, a soccer
player that you know gets distracted by you know, you know,
other players making comments that interfere. So then they develop
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the strategies to you know, be able to block that
out or refocus on their process or you know, support
that confidence or just something to get them back in
the present. Say, then they're they're walking, you know, they're
working on they're say they're in school and they're in
college and something's distracting them when they're trying to study
for exam or they're trying to actually they're in the
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exam and a noise happens or something, and that might
may have distracted them before they actually have then like, oh,
the sports psychology skills that I use, I can just
refocus on my exam. And so just it's pretty amazing
as you identify, okay, what are what are the strategies
that support me in aligning with my best you know
performance and my best self, and then you people start
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to identify how to recognize when they are not in
their best performance whatever they're doing, and then how to
get themselves back there they want to, you know, whatever,
whatever they need to do, they'll know what to do.
It's very empowering, very empowered work. It's the agency that
people discover for themselves and realize about for themselves is
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pretty as is phenomenal. And you know, all the different
populations I've been able to work with, it's you know,
people like, oh I hear you know you do performance
psychology or can you help you know me with this
or help me with that? And you know, whether it's
studying for exams or it's you know, golfing or firefighters
or a pilot, you know, whatever it is, I'm able
to identify and help them identify, Okay, what are your needs,
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what are your goals? And then we identify the best
strategies to implement for them and the results are phenomenal.
Speaker 4 (14:51):
So oh well, I was everyone could have this. I
wish we had a curriculum that we could implement in
high schools across the country with your training.
Speaker 5 (15:05):
Well, and it's really we're pretty cool as well. I've
been fortunate. I mean, I'm working with a ten year
old athlete right now, you know, so it's like as
young as ten years old, you know, to you know, fifties,
sixties or does it doesn't matter. It's like, what are
your you know, it's my job to be able to
adapt to the client and translate the information to help
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them understand themselves and the performance needs and the skills
and strategies that they can best implement to support them.
Speaker 4 (15:32):
I want to go back to the concept of like
you can be hijacked by your mind, because I think
that that's extremely common. And I'll just say I'll just
say in our culture, just to make a broad sweeping statement,
it's so it's very common. And you could say, maybe
it's you know, people us following you know, algorithms going
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down rabbit holes where we sort of give up some
of our own thinking and sort of the track of
our habits and sort of like, you know, then we
kind of click out and come back to the present
and we're like what do I What it was I
what did I want to focus on? Like what's actually
is important to me? And I remember it reminds me
also when sometimes when my children were struggling younger growing up,
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I remember saying with like a thought or something that
was you know, not inspiring. I would say, well, remember
you can change your thoughts like you're in charge of
your mind. Your mind is not in charge of you.
But that is so much easier said than done. And
it you know, we really have to cultivate the For me,
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it's cultivating the belief that that is possible. We can
reprogram ourselves. That's why I loved Kate Michaels and why
I studied with her for four years, Uh, to learn
how to reprogram ourselves. And like you said, from your
the answers come from the clients. But I'd love to
hear you say more about because let me just say
one more thing before I turn it back to you.
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I've taught a course called Who's in Charge of Your Mind?
Kind of to look at the explore like what are
the possibilities and speaking of your field of you know,
your name of realizing potential, What do you what can
you what else can you tell us about how possible
it is to not let our minds be hijacked?
Speaker 5 (17:22):
Yeah, well, it's the first important to understand kind of
what it is. Everybody's different, everybody's unique, and whatever it
might be hijacking their mind or derailing their thinking or
whatever whatever word you might want to use to describe
that experience where you leave as a moment, right, I
would want to understand obviously, if I was working with somebody,
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what is that's actually happening for them. But a very
common common theme that happens is, first off, something you
know potentially triggers or spikes our arousal in some level,
which which then narrors are thinking to potentially be more
threat related, perceiving some sort of threats, something's making us anxious,
something stressing us out, or we have a lot of
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demands we feel like we have and we lose that
sense of agency of like, okay, where do I even start.
Often that's a common common theme of if you were
to use a kind of more broad example and kind
of a day to day experience. And then so the
first thing that you typically would want to do is
you need to kind of regulate yourself first and regain
control of your your thinking by first deactivating that sympathetic
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nervous system activation that happens where it spikes that out
arousal level or that adrenaline that then interferes with your
ability to direct your thinking where you want it to go.
And then, and this is where the awareness piece is
so important. And you know, practicing those that mindfulness at work,
and you know, that's a big part of what I
do is help people become more aware of what's even
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happening to them day to day or even or in
their performance. Because you've got it, you have to be
aware first to know how to regain control of that
to then choose be able to choose what you want
to do next. So being aware of you know, what's
eventually triggered you or distracted you or cause you to
leave the present moment. And so a big part of
that then is then you have to breathe through that
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and calm yourself down, because if you don't calm yourself down,
you can't. You good luck trying to tell yourself I
don't want to focus on that, or I want to
think about it this, and staid, You've got to be
able to calm your regular self down and so breathing,
you know, breathing deep diaframatic breaths to kind of get
yourself down. You might have to take a couple breaths,
you might have to take five, you might even want
it might be enough, and then you actually then can
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have control of, like, well, where do I want to focus?
What do I want to do? Where is my control?
Where where can I take bring my agency back to
you know, to be productive day to day or focus
on something different. You got to regulate yourself first, and
then you actually can redirect where you put your focus,
because if you don't, if you don't regulate yourself, your
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your your mind thinks it's attending to something that's way
more pressing, which is really hard to then move away from.
It's it's just a you know, survival mechanism. It's looking
out for you. Our brains are not perfect, right, it
tries it's a predictive, you know, mechanism that tries to
help us function best, and so we have to teach
our brains how to function best for us in the
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present day and the present moment with what's in front
of us. And then then you can actually start to
take control with you know, using that breath and then
identifying what can I take control of? Where do I
want to put my focus? What types of thinking patterns
do I want to have? And then you identify you
know those types of you know elements to then replace
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you know, old thinking patterns or old experiences that are
not serving your whether it's in your performance or just
day to day. So does that make sense?
Speaker 4 (20:46):
Yeah, so I love the way you're explaining. It really
makes sense, and I think it's very helpful. I like
using the expression average bear, Like I think that like
this is like really useful information for anyone, you know, like, oh, okay, regulate,
oh yeah, regulate myself, uh big, so that our minds
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can listen and believe and believes, like, you know, everything's okay,
We're not being threatened at the moment. Actually, to get
out of the fear, and you said, take a deep
diaformatic breath, it could take one, two, three, maybe five,
And it's just fascinating to think, Wow, seriously, I know
I take deep breath. I'm known for like big size,
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and I'm like, yeah, yeah, it helps me regulate and
get cleared or get present. Yes.
Speaker 5 (21:40):
Well, and also it's you'll feel the calmness come over you.
You have to, and that's often where you have to
trust the breath and trust the Okay, it doesn't feel
like it's happening right away. You have to just just
keep breathing through that and it will and box breathing
is another strategy that many people use, where you have,
you know, four second count and hail four second count,
hole old for a second count, exhale or second hold,
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and you just kind of keep repeating. It's a common
strategy a lot of a lot of people like to use.
But using those type strategies and then trusting it, you
will start to feel calm. And sometimes you can feel
a little bit dizzy initially because of just the different
you know, oxygenation that's happening in your brain and the
changes that happen when you breathe deeper, like that when
you maybe have been breathing a little bit more shallow,
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or you might be a little bit more stressed. Some
people yawn. So it's it's common things that can happen
when you start to actually calm and then you're just
you're just like okay, Wow, I feel okay. And then
you're like okay, and then you and then you decide, okay,
now what do I want to do? Where do I
want to put my focus, Where do I want to
put my energy now that I'm back in the present
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with myself in the moment.
Speaker 4 (22:47):
I love the way I love how you use agency
and that we can reclaim or use or tap into
our state of agency, and that I think we're where
it's been so knocked out of so many of us,
whether it's through conditioning or circumstances or and there there
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are you know, tremendously painful things happening in our country
with our government and other countries that sometimes we're just planal,
very hard to deal with emotionally and to accept. We
don't want to accept, we can't accept, which feels you know,
you know, unbearable or unacceptable. But you remind me that
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we can use our agency. It's a choice, and I
want I would like to hear more from you about
like because sometimes it can sound like really again, easier
said than done, Like if I were being cynegal, i'd say, oh, well,
you know, okay, you know, tell me how can I
see my choices or what do you mean, you know,
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reclaim my own agency? Can you just say more about that? Well?
Speaker 5 (23:57):
Yeah, absolutely, Well, first, I mean I don't want to
speak for you know, any populations or any person or
anyone experiencing any element of hardship that I cannot personally
challenge or are you know, unwrite whatever it might be
for people I don't want to speak for that and
speak for them or anything, but the important what I
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do want to say is for anybody that can I mean,
even for people that are and more disadvantaged and you know,
outright unacceptable positions in many ways, they you know, you
still try to focus on what is in my control
and what can I do for myself and how can
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I take care of my well being when other elements
of my life experience or just life in general is
out of my control. And so just coming back to
the present moment and yourself and your experience, where you
can decide what do I need to do for myself
regardless of you know, what is in my control? Just
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simply even asking that question is like what can I control?
If I can't control X, y Z, what can I control?
And whether it's you know, even just simply taking a
drink of water again, even just bringing ourselves back to
that sense of the rule. We have more agency than
we realize in each and every moment that we have.
And so it's even just taking the breath, choosing to
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take that breath to calm you down, and then choosing
choosing to take a walk or choosing to you know,
whatever you feel you want to influence in your own positive,
impactful way, you can identify that. And so for people
it is for them it is to decide, Okay, what
do I want to positively impact and what do I
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want to change? Where is my control in that? And
like that's where you have to put your focus when
if anything anything else beyond that that you can't actually change,
It doesn't serve you to focus on that. It doesn't
serve anybody. And it doesn't mean you pretend it doesn't exist.
You just say I can't control that, but I can
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control this. And so you know, to bring it back
to the sports example as well, it's as simple as
saying you have and again not saying bad weather is
the same thing as unfortunate elements that are happening to
people in real time. But it's saying I can't control
the weather. So focusing on the bad weather is only
going to distract me from being my best or functioning
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my best, or applying my skills my best. And so
it's you want to be in your best self regardless
of the circumstances. Where can you apply your focus and
your energy and what strategies do you need to develop
because a lot of it is people might not even
have know how to use the strategies or know how
to focus. So it's it's bringing back to where do I.
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Where can I influence my control? Where can I not?
Where I cannot? I'm going to just set that aside
for now and just keep refocusing. And then if I
feel like a person someone feels like they can't apply
the right strategy so they don't know how to, that's
where you know, they can consult people that can support them,
or they should consult people that can help them, and
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then that then they can identify specifically for them what
works best to take that agency back, So you know,
identifying first where is my control? And then if you
feel like you then can't influence that control, then you
identify what extra support might I need to keep focusing on.
That Does that answer your question?
Speaker 4 (27:35):
Yeah, that's excellent. That's really very practical and easily digestible information.
So yes, thank you. That does answer my question. It's
just really good information. I want to I'd like to
hear more about. Oh right now, why don't you just
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say to uh out loud how people can contact you?
And then I'll go to my next question, do you want
to just give you have an email address, a website, Instagram.
Speaker 5 (28:05):
Yes, so my email is Powell one p O W
E L L C A M I L L E
one at gmail dot com and just like the number one,
and then my Instagram is Realized Potential Underscore CP and
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I even you know accept phone calls five three zero
three zero four three eight three six.
Speaker 4 (28:32):
Wow. That's that's nice.
Speaker 5 (28:34):
My website is on is on the headliner as well.
Speaker 4 (28:37):
It's C.
Speaker 5 (28:38):
Powell Sports Psychology, dash Coaching dot com.
Speaker 4 (28:44):
Great, thank you, I am uh. I would love to
hear more about It's just really hopeful concept. I love
I love the name of your your company because just
the concept, just saying the words and seeing the words
realize potential is motivating and there's so much more we
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could do. And it also reminds me of like that's
really important when we have enough support from the universe.
I know this doesn't lea as you well put, doesn't
apply to everyone in every situation, because some situations are
very dire. But when we have enough support from the
universe to focus on realizing our potential, that's just such
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a good movement forward. Just to keep moving forward to not,
like you said, get bogged down, not get distracted by
what we cannot change, and to focus on what we
can and what we potentially can't even if right now
I mean believe or see what I could potentially realize.
If I have coaching support, it helps tremendously to draw
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out more of the potential and to learn steps to
realize it. And I just want to hear your response
to that, like your name Realizing Potential, and also more
about the different populations that you work with.
Speaker 5 (30:08):
Yeah, so I chose the name Realized Potential, and then
I have High Performance Psychology and Executive Coaching LLC. The
reason why I chose Realize Potential is because that's really
what I do is and what I've always done, and
I discovered I was really good at is helping people
align in their strengths or align and you know, you know,
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and it translates to outside of their performance ultimately, which
is which is phenomenal and incredibly rewarding and fulfilling to me.
But I am able to identify in people what makes
them unique and what makes them most impactful in whatever
they're doing, and that just carries over into other anything
else that they do, and so that's why I chose that,
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because like I help people realize their potential and realize
what they're capable of and continuing to level up themselves.
Is that something that they want to do. And then
the different populations that I work with, it's been pretty
it's been incredible. I mean I chose initially I wanted
to expand, you know, through my program, we're supposed to
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or we have the opportunity to complete this certification for
Mental Performance Consulting, and part of that requirement is you
have to complete four hundred mentored hours with a mentor.
And during that process, I you know, wanted to that
was I wanted to use that as my opportunity to
expand to different fields to see where I was most effective.
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And what I continue to discover is, you know, people
and helping people thrive and just helping each unique person,
regardless of their performance realm is where I'm most effective.
And so I love being able to work with all
the different populations that I work with because it's it's
I love going through the process of helping them identify
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their own unit because everyone is unique, and I think
that's the important distinction that I make is that every person,
even if you are in the same sport, is different
and unique, and so what it is that helps them
thrive or realize their potential is specific and unique, and
so being able to transfer to different performance realms is
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just an ad layer of added layer of reward and
excitement and incredible experience being able to learn, you know,
all the unique aspects that are required for that performance realm.
And so I, you know, I'm very adaptable, and so
that's something I love doing as well, is not only
aligning with the unique person or team or population I
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get to work with, but then also aligning with the
performance demands that are required for that. So I've worked
with as I was kind of mentioning earlier, you know,
golf players, tennis players, skateboarders, equestrian athlete, soccer player, what else, pilots, firefighters, doctors,
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medical students, you know, all sorts of you know, just
I'm I'm excited to continue to see oh yeah, executives
and different you know, just, I have yet to find
a place where I don't love it and I don't
see incredible results for people. And I just love continuing
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to expand and grow and just continuing to be more
effective in everything. You know that I'm very fortunate to
do in this field.
Speaker 4 (33:33):
So it's so it's it's so unique, and it's it's
really too it's it's really easy to envision that it
is that it is like a kind of a you
can correct my language if you feel like you can
make it more accurate, sort of like universal skill sets
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that human beings have to realize their potential, but but adaptable.
You do research and you learn if you about what
what's demanded in tennis, what's demanded when you're on a horse,
what's demanded if you're golfing, what's demanded if you're a doctor,
or if you're a firefight. You're able to look at
the context, yes, ask questions, research and then go to
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that universal aspect of you know, mental skill building and
psychological confidence building and all.
Speaker 5 (34:24):
Yes, exactly, very well said.
Speaker 4 (34:26):
That's so cool, and uh, I know it's powerful.
Speaker 5 (34:33):
It's so cool to see the transformations and people and
seeing them realize like, oh wow, I could do that
or I can do that and I didn't realize that.
And you know, I'm quick to catch uh you know,
when I am working somebody out, you know, they they
they you know, I'm pretty humorous and fun and engaging
throughout the process, and so they'll have them laughing sometimes
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when I you know, they're we're in the moment doing
something and they're starting I'll just look at them and
they just start laughing, like I'm not supposed to say
that about myself, my bad And then they and then
they change it. And so again, even the lightness of that,
it creates so much space for for change to happen,
because it's you know, when you're anticipating negative things happening
while you're trying to make changes, or in those pressured
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or stressful environments, it can impede the process. And so
being able to keep it light and fun, I mean,
this is serious work, absolutely, and depending on who I'm
working with and what the performance demands are, like I adapt,
you know, you keep it light when you can, you
make it fun. But then you know, I'm pretty direct
and serious about keeping things on track, and I meet,
you know, clients, you know, comment continuously. You know, I've
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been working on trying to work on these things for
you know, ten years, and just in a few sessions,
I'm I'm feeling shifts that i haven't seen before and
it's just very rewarding work and so I take it
very seriously and continuing to you know, develop myself so
I can continue to be effective and help all the
people I'm I'm able to work with, I mean working
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with different populations, whether it's the pilots or the firefighters
as well as like, that's very meaningful. Not that course
sports and everything very important and meaningful work to me
as well. But knowing that I'm people that give so
much of themselves for their work is very rewarding to
me as well. You know, to help them be most
effective and prevent burnout and allow them to you know,
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ultimately look out for their theirselves and their own kind
of performance needs and more high risk occupations is very
very rewarding to me.
Speaker 4 (36:34):
Wow, I'd love to ask you more about that, the
performance needs in high risk occupations because like I was
just picturing, like, can you give me a snapshot like
a general and of course not not related to any
specific individuals or departments or anything, but of like thinking
of like a high risk like police work or firefighter
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firefighters work, like what what do you what? What what
are they able to do? Then I'm sure, I'm sure
you can enhance, but what is what are they doing?
What is the mental skill they're strengthening and using and
able to step into and super higher situations where it
is life or death to maintain focus and presence.
Speaker 5 (37:20):
Well, and again, everybody is unique and different and so
but a lot of times many many people in those
kind of are often they function and higher stress. They
function best in those higher stress situations. So you know,
there's there's an inverted U diagram that's often illustrated to
describe people's you know, optimal activation level where they can
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function and perform at their best. And so, uh, you know,
for somebody in that realm, they're likely higher up on
that activation level where they can be functioning and focusing
and really aligning with what they need to do. But
so what they're able to do ultimately is they just
kind of can hone in on whatever the demands are
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of the moment, and so they're not thinking about, oh
I could die. I mean that might fleeting thoughts might
come through. But that's part of what my job is
to do is help them like, Okay, well you identify, okay,
what are the risks you know you might need to
acknowledge Okay, yeah, these these are real. These things can happen.
But what can I do to prevent those things from happening?
There's an element of control that you have to you know,
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let ghots like, well, ultimately I can't control X, y Z.
You can't predict everything that happens. But what is in
my control? What is my training? What are you know?
What are potential elements that do interfere with me? Where
do I lapse concentration or where do I what does
distract me and can interfere with my ability to stay
focused on the task. And so it's identifying what those
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elements are and then developing the strategies to stay focused
on the task. You know, whether you know whatever it
might need be that they need to do for their
task to be effective in those stress whether it's a
firefighter rescuing something or you know, a SWAT team going
into a building or something, whatever it might be. You
help them identify, Okay, you know, what are common things
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that interfere with what their mission is potentially or what
could interfere if maybe they don't even have a challenge
that has showed up, you want to identify, Okay, let's
help them be most effective, so we can prevent those
things from happening. And then it's implementing the focused technique strategies,
effective thinking shots, regulating techniques and stuff. And then and
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then going through various simulations of like okay, now, I
mean they already do very much the simulation practice and
going through training, going through different you know, exer you know,
missions that they have to do or strategies or training
that they have to do. But then you add the
added element of the mental skills training to make sure
their mind is staying in the present where they need
to be throughout the whole task. And then you can
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also then identify, Okay, I lapsed in my focus here,
or this got me or this threw me off, or
this happened, and then you're like, okay, how do we
prevent that from happening again? And then you go through, Okay,
implement this strategy, implement that strategy, and a lot of
it is also using even just imagery and visualization of
like identifying being able to see yourself or feel yourself,
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going through using all your senses to see yourself successfully
completing and that in and of itself, when we visualize
things with vivid detail, and controlled mechanism, you are actually
enervating your brain the same way as if you're actually
doing it, so you're actually able to like miilienate those
neural pathways as if you physically practice it, which is
(40:37):
phenomenal And I say this every single time. Amazing to
know and so like, that's why it's so important being
so intentional seeing what you want to happen and making
it go the way you want it to go, and
if anything interferes, you identify, okay, what was that, and
then you implement the appropriate strategy to mitigate that from happening.
Speaker 4 (40:56):
Again, I'm so glad you mentioned that visualization that I
so glad you did that, the power of it and
how well you described it, because I was going to
ask right before you said that, I was like, well,
what's a short cut? What's a shortcut to like, you know,
fighting a fire or lacis stick with that, uh and
then get distracted? What's the quickest sort of cut to
(41:18):
like go back to like I'm fighting a fire and
it's and I'm good. Visualization would be an instant when.
Speaker 5 (41:26):
Right, Yeah, potentially, I mean it depends on where you're
dealing with. You know, how much time or space you
have to like get right back in. But like really honestly,
that's where you identify, okay, certain strategies to like snap
you back. And so it's like even just taking your
breath and say I'm here, or having a Q word
or phrase. And this is where these skills are so
important to develop and establish prior to needing them. That's
(41:49):
why it's important. This is this, this type of work
is proactive work. So you have all the strategies. You know,
the elements that interfere with your ability to perform, so
you have locked in in place like what you need
to be doing. And again it's dynamic, it's not doesn't
go perfectly seamless, but that's why you have the strategies
to set you up for success. You know, your pre
performance routine or whatever it might be, your setup, get
(42:12):
where you need to be, go into the space where
you're you know you need to be most effective, and
then you have your strategies to snap you back. So
it's it's it's knowing where you thrive, you know, and
where you are most effective, whatever activation level it is,
whatever your thinking patterns are, whatever your visualization. You know,
some people are more visual and before you go into
(42:32):
those spaces, you see yourself doing those things. Some people
are more verbal and need to hear themselves talking themselves
to it. Or you might even just say focus, focus,
or whatever words they might want to use. They'll have
their strategies in place to snap them back, if you know,
because inevitable, you know, things happen you can't control.
Speaker 4 (42:50):
So yes, and and I love that. Thank you for
mentioning other you know other like auditory might work better
for some people. Excellent. I think we have only like
four or five minutes left, so I want to stick out,
throw out a couple more questions and then make sure
you get to have your closing thought. One is like
(43:10):
we just kind of reiterating what you said, like practice
and advance and reinforce so that it becomes your main highway,
so to speak one of my kids exactly, it's it's
the main neural pathway and the other ones. You don't
try to make them disappear, You don't develop an attitude.
You accept them. They you know they might come into
play and you go, oh yeah, okay, then you go
(43:31):
back to your new neural pathway that's like regulated and
able to focus. So while that takes practice and reinforcement. Also,
what I know about coaching and you can add more
is like how efficient and effective it is? Like it
like and again this is just based on my experience.
(43:54):
I don't know. It just let me just leave it there,
like how I don't know. It's just so like doesn't
seem to take as many sessions as other forms of
support can take.
Speaker 5 (44:05):
Yeah, well, and again, different people need different things that
might require more time, right, and so you know we
obviously you know, respect that and leave that for its
for its own honoring. I think what is especially with
the populations I'm fortunate to work with, one of the
biggest things is well, obviously you need again when you
approach each person as their own, or each population or
(44:27):
team or organization whatever it might be, as its own entity.
And you don't just try to apply blanket or generalize, oh,
just do this it'll work, or just do that you
have to, you know, but through the process, you know,
especially my approach and informed by the coaching part of it,
is like again, I approach each unique person, I honor
their own their own experience, or each team or whatever
(44:47):
it might be their own as their own entity. And
then I deeply understand that, so then I can approach
them as they are. And then it's through the asking
of the questions too, and blending the techniques and the
strategies and the with the questions that I ask them
that is what allows them to basically tell themselves the
things I want to tell them without me having to
(45:09):
tell them. Says, It's again so much more influential and
impactful and truly makes change, lasting, foundational change when they
speak it to themselves, and they say it to themselves
because they're activating so many more parts of their brain
and they're They're like, I'm the one telling myself this,
Nobody else is telling me I can do this. And
(45:29):
then again they come up with their own understandings of things,
and it's so much more influential for them. And I
believe that is very very much a huge part of
why it can create change so quickly is because I'm
not just telling them you need to do it this way,
or you're supposed to do that, or you're supposed to
do this. I am absolutely coming equipped with the strategies
and the education and the skills and the training to
(45:51):
identify what they need to do. But then I'm asking
the questions that get them to you know, beyond the
skill development strategy aspect, but identifying the thinking patterns or
the strategies or the barriers that then help them bypass
all of that to align on the new path and
the neural you know, the new neural networks that they
want to be developing. Because you can't just say you
(46:14):
Another important element you mentioned this as well, is I
want to add this is you know, if you have
old thinking or old thoughts or old patterns or whatever
it might be that you don't want, you can't just
say stop, don't do that. I don't think about that,
don't think about that. Every time you do that, you're
just you're fueling it and you're entertaining it. You need
to actually be able to stop and then refocus with
(46:35):
you know, many of the skills and strategies I help
people develop to replace those old packways with the new
ones that will actually support them.
Speaker 4 (46:43):
Wow. Okay, well, I just want to give you one
more chance to say how people can contact you, and
then you'll have like, you know, forty five seconds for
your closing thought, and then I'll thank everyone.
Speaker 5 (46:56):
Yeah, so again, people can email me. Pow will come
one at gmail dot com. P O W E L
L C A M I L L E one at
gmail dot com. Five three zero three zero four grade
three six on my website cpalsports Psychology dot or dash
coaching dot com. Thank you for the opportunity to do this.
(47:19):
I this was great conversation and I'm just was grateful
to share this space with you.
Speaker 4 (47:25):
Thank you. If I were ahead of an HR department anywhere,
it would be contact to you immediately. Thank you for
your awesome work, and thank you for your time today.
I so appreciate it, and I absolutely you just articulate
how our brains work so incredibly in such digestible ways.
It's that's really wonderful to hear. And I also want
(47:47):
to thank our engineer Rebel, and our producer Dean, and
our listeners and viewers, and please remember to tune in
next Wednesday eight pm on Top four T or W
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conversations in diversity this week. Thanks again.
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