September 16, 2025 • 50 mins
Too many of us are stuck in survival mode—numb, disconnected, and quietly shrinking. Carolina Lasso says it’s time to rebel against the lie that “getting by” is good enough. In this episode, she shares seven unapologetic principles for creating a life of joy, vitality, and purpose. If you’re ready to ditch the status quo and finally bloom into your fullest self, this conversation is your wake-up call.
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Speaker 2 (00:28):
What's working on Purpose? Anyway? Each week we ponder the
answer to this question. People ache for meaning and purpose
at work, to contribute their talents passionately and know their
lives really matter. They crave being part of an organization
that inspires them and helps them grow into realizing their
highest potential. Business can be such a force for good
in the world, elevating humanity. In our program, we provide
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guidance and inspiration to help usher in this world we
all want Working on Purpose. Now, here's your host, doctor
Elise Cortez.
Speaker 3 (01:05):
Welcome back to the Working on Purpose program, which has
been brought to you with passionate and price since February
of twenty fifteen. Thanks for tuning again. This great to
have you. I'm your host, doctor e Release Cortez. If
we have not met before and you don't know me,
I am a workforce advisor, organizational psychologists, management consultant, logo therapists,
a speaker and author. My team and I at gusta
Now help companies to enliveen, and fortify their operations by
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building a dynamic high performance culture, inspirational leadership, and nurturing
managers activated by meaning and purpose. Many organizations are not
aware of how critical it is to invest in developing
their leaders and managers not just for their own effectiveness,
but also to avoid burnout and keeping them fulfilled. And
also that they can measure and monitor the purpose experience
in their organization to keep it working as an operational imperative.
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And did you know that inspired employees outperform their certified
peers by a factor of two point twenty five two one.
In other words, purpose or excuse me, Inspiration is good
for the bottom line, so as purpose. By the way,
you can learn more about us and how we can
work together at gustodeshnow dot com and at Lascortes dot
com getting into today's program we have with us Carolina Lasso.
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She's the founder of Plenari, the Purpose Academy dedicated to
unlocking your full potential through transformative experiences. She's the creator
of the Plenimente podcast. She served as the global head
of Marketing at SIY Global or I think It's called
silly and is a certified search inside Yourself teacher. She's
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the co author of the Purpose Reset How Becoming How
we reconnecting to what matters most drives fulfillment and success,
which we talked about in an earlier episode. She's also
the author of the Path to Flourishing Seven Principles for
a Joyful, fulfilling and purposeful Life, which will be talking
about today. Godoline, a hearty welcome back to working on purpose.
Speaker 4 (02:50):
Benity that it's so special to come back. It feels
like a familiar space already. Hello, Doctor Lee's gets a
little beautiful soul.
Speaker 3 (02:59):
It's so wonder to have you back. Thank you being
you and gallivanting the planet the way that you do.
Speaker 4 (03:06):
It's my pleasure to be here, to have the conversation
and to connect with your audience again.
Speaker 3 (03:12):
Well, let's celebrate this time. What you brought forth your
first book, The Path to Flourishing, and how beautiful it is.
I love that you could actually envision when you were
working through this process. You could actually envision the blue cover.
Speaker 4 (03:24):
And the and smell. I could smell the book before
it was printed.
Speaker 3 (03:29):
It was so amazing to see that. I just love,
love love that. Okay, so you have written a really,
really beautiful book that's very personal and also incredibly it's opening,
and it's also very actionable. But let's just open the
conversation by talking about really where the book came from
and why you felt like you had to share these
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seven principles for creating this joyful, fulfilling and purposeful life
for listeners of yours who haven't yet read the book
like I have.
Speaker 4 (03:57):
Yeah, yeah, where did it come from? I remember it
started during the pandemic, and I had already written blog posts,
and I had tons of notebooks of had written ideas
and thoughts, and every time I would take a class,
I would write some notes, listen to a podcast every
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time I write a book, and so I started consolidating
all of these thoughts and ideas. But it wasn't until
the pandemic. And honestly, I had the time and the
space to pause and to think about my purpose, and
the thought of legacy came up, and I started to
write it. And it took me nine months to write it,
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which is quite some book. And then I actually published
it first in Spanish under the name len, which is
a word that it's really hard to translate into other languages,
and then I published it in English under the purpose Reset.
I'm sorry, the backup flourishing Purpose Reset is my life
this book that we talked about the other day, and
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it's really that it's the path that can lead us
to a flourishing life. And I try to make it
as practical and relatable and real as possible because it's
truth is it was my life story and how I
uncovered many of the principles that I talk about.
Speaker 3 (05:21):
Mm hmm. I saw somewhere there that's see what You've
got advice from somebody not to put on all your
personal stories. I'm so glad that you ignored that, because
that's really part of what helps us understand why this
is so important. And I know that part of the
reason you wrote the book is is to help plant
a seed of curiosity about flourishing in your readers, but
also because you were heeding your own inner calling, which
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I really really applaud I've had. That's a journey too.
I understand what it feels like to be you know,
you're being summoned and it's like this, It's this compelling
poll that grabs you, and it's so beautiful when you
lean into it and listen to it. It's just so powerful.
Speaker 4 (05:59):
Absolutely, I feel like it's a magnet. And I was
kind of pulled into it, and of course all the
stories in my mind would.
Speaker 5 (06:06):
Come up, as I'm sure as a case for many
people listening to us.
Speaker 4 (06:10):
Who am I to write a book? The biggest one
for me, I'll share openly, was well, I'm like to
talk about personal development when I the international business and
I have an MBA with a bout finance right to
be doing that's not for me. Let's leave it to
the experts. But that that calling, that magnet that paul
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as you're talking about, it was so strong and I
had to answer the calling.
Speaker 3 (06:39):
I'm so glad you did. It's so beautiful what you're
doing in the world. I so applauded. And you know
that you and I are are sisters in spirit, so Yeah,
we're doing some very similar work, so let's dive into
some of the content. I don't know if we'll get
through all seven of your principles. We'll get through as
many as we can, but I think it's probably important
first that we situate your definition of flourishing.
Speaker 4 (07:00):
H absolutely, ah. There are so many ways to describe it,
but I like to think about it as our natural state,
a state of well being, of fulfillment, of profound joy
that comes from within. In a way, it's who we are.
That state of flourishing is who we truly are. I
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like to compare it to the sky. The blue sky
is always there, is always present, and sometimes it is
covered by clouds, but the fact that there are clouds
doesn't mean the blue sky isn't there. Stable, majestic, huge,
and limited. That's how I think of our true selves,
our in ourselves, and that's how I think of that
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deeper state of flourishing, that stable, unlimited state of being.
Speaker 3 (07:54):
That's so beautiful. Is that why the cover of the
book is the sky blue color?
Speaker 4 (07:58):
Maybe? And ring just checking?
Speaker 3 (08:02):
Okay, Well, then I just have to situate and also
celebrate why this flourishing If it's not convincing enough that
you want to live in that kind of space. Then
Carolina goes on to say, when people cultivate flourishing in
their lives, not only do they live better, but they
also contribute directly to our collective human well being and growth. Yes, ma'am,
I love that.
Speaker 4 (08:23):
Yes, I actually think working on our individual state of
flourishing is doing the world a favor, right, because if
we were to start there, then we would have enough space, creativity, intuition,
wisdom to take action and change the things in the
world that we do need to change.
Speaker 6 (08:45):
Right.
Speaker 4 (08:45):
I'm not trying to say just put all the onus
on the individual. I'm trying to say, we start there
and from that state, oh, we can create all the
change we want to see in the world.
Speaker 3 (08:58):
Well, I'll just quickly check in on this just for
to magnify what you're saying. And it's import the last
book that I put out, it's co written by with
Arthur Cerra mccoulay, who's a clinical psychologist. I'm an organizational psychologist.
It's called The Power of Soulful Healing, Turning Wounds into Wisdom,
and the whole premise of the book is every single
one of us humans walking the planet is walking wounded.
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The question is to what extent are we aware of
our wounds? And how are we trying to heal? And
the more that we heal, the more we help others heal,
the more we lift the world. So very similar but
coming at it from different different angles.
Speaker 4 (09:36):
Yeah, that's beautiful goodness.
Speaker 3 (09:38):
Agree, And so we, like I say, we're sisters in
arms here crobly not?
Speaker 4 (09:43):
I know? Okay, So well, let's dive in.
Speaker 3 (09:45):
I want to get through as much as I can too.
So the first principle I love how you organized this
into really a living sort of organism lack type look
and in terms of your graphic, But the first of
your seven principles is pause. And I like how you
even describe what you mean by that. So let's talk
a little bit about pause.
Speaker 4 (10:06):
To me, a pause is a moment too, but the
break right in this world that is moving so quickly,
in this world of hustling and doing and productivity, taking
a moment to stop is a little bit a revolution, right,
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And there are many different ways we can take a pause.
We can stop. It can be taking three breaths before
sending that nasty email that you're about to send and
may regret. It can be about taking time off, vacation,
taking a day off when you're sick. How many times
do we feel like we have to power through and
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keep on going even when our body needs healing, when
our hearts need healing, and or it can be vacation
or in my case and the this at the core
of my book is this trip that I took around
the world. It's a little cliche to do the whole
It's a little bit like you pray love Colombian style
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my friends. Yeah, I don't be that way. I honestly
didn't planet. Actually, I don't think I had read that
book back then. It wasn't published even but that opportunity
to take distance, and to me, it was less about
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the distance that I would travel. It was more about
connecting with myself. But in order to do so, I
did have to zoom out a little bit. So that's
another way of taking a pause. In my case, it
was a forced mental health leave of absence that I
had to take because I couldn't go any further. It was.
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It was a hard moment for me and that break
changed my life.
Speaker 3 (11:59):
The well, I like how you start with this this
notion of pause, and I like how you say, you
just you describe it, and I quote in your book
any break used to disconnect from your routine or to
create spaces for rest, leisure and introspection. By pausing, we
can connect with our inner self more deeply and directly,
which is what you're talking about. But I really think
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I'm zeroing in on the introspection piece, having a space
to have the time for introspection, which you say to
you talk about how much the pandemic it did that
for you as well, it did it for millions of us, right,
but it was that's that pause is so so powerful
for an opening.
Speaker 4 (12:40):
Absolutely, yeah. How many times in a given day do
we open up space for self reflection, for introspection, to
connect with our intuition, or simply to do nothing. During
my time in Italy I learned about im then is
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a sweet art of doing nothing nothing. Yes, and sometimes
I'm guilty of this. I would take take a break
through in the middle of my day, but I would
need I'd be like, I need to go for a
walk because I need to hit my ten thousand steps,
or I need to do my meditation because that's the
thing of the ten or I need to be proactive,
so let me do deep reflection. And sometimes it's just
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like you know, all you need to do is not do,
just be.
Speaker 3 (13:29):
One of the many gifts we get from our Italian friends, right,
is this ability to play with life and be able
to joy enjoy those you know, those moments doing perfectly
nothing or seemingly nothing but just drinking it in. That's
one of the many reasons I know you and I
both love to travel and to connect with other cultures
we can learn from. And I know I both of
us have been expanded by being in the different cultures.
Speaker 4 (13:53):
Oh and I think that's why I ended up during
my mental health leave going to travel the world. The
truth is that I was on a quest to figure
out why it was that I wasn't happy, because you see,
I did everything that I was told or that I
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heard about, that I needed to do in order to
be happy. Right, I followed the American dream, moving as
a seventeen year old from Columbia to the United States.
I got a full scholarship to go to college. I
worked really hard at school and outside, I did all
sorts of jobs. I ended up graduating top of my class.
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I got a really good job in New York City
in financial services. I worked in media and entertainment that
I got a job offer at Google. I got married.
I was living in Silicon Valley, in sunny Veil, out
of all places, and it was literally sunny Veil right
like everything was just perfect, sunny, blue sky sand. Deep inside,
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I kept on asking myself, why am I? Why not
have be What's going on here? And today I can
answer that, But it took me a really long time
and lots of introspection and reflection and why that was
not the case, And now I know it was purpose.
Really it was the seven principles that I talk about
in the book, the seven mindfulness based principles that I
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talk about. That's why they feel so real and so
authentic to me. And I wholeheardly believe that those are
the principles that can truly create a shift. And these
are principles that we cultivate. They're not once an done
kind of thing. We have to cultivate them all the time.
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Sometimes I still forget it and I read my own
book and I'm like, oh, this kind of makes sense.
I should put this into practice. And there we are,
over and over.
Speaker 3 (15:51):
Again, I can so relate to your story. We're gonna
grab our first break. I will comment on how I
connect with your story very briefly, but before we die
into the break. Here we are I'm your host, Doctor
release Cortez. We've been on the year with Carolina Lasso,
who's the founder of Planardio Planarti excuse me Planarti, which
is the purpose academy dedicated to unlocking your full potential
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through a transformative through transformed experiences. She's also the creator
of Planomende podcast. We've been talking about the first principle
in her book, The Path to Flourishing. After the break,
we're going to start with a couple more and we'll
carry through which the next one we're going to talk
about is presence. We'll be right back.
Speaker 2 (16:44):
Doctor Elise Cortez is a management consultant specializing in meaning
and purpose. An inspirational speaker and author. She helps companies
visioneer for greater purpose among stakeholders and develop purpose inspired
leadership and meaning infused cultures that elevate fulfillment, performance, and
commitment within the workforce. To learn more or to invite
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A Lisee at eliscortes dot com. Now back to working
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on Purpose.
Speaker 3 (17:36):
Thanks for staying with us, and welcome back to working
on Purpose. I'm your host, doctor Relise Cortes, as I
am dedicated to helping create a world where organizations thrive
because they're people thrive and are led by inspirational leaders
that help them find and contribute their greatness. And we
new business at Betters in the world. I keep researching
and writing my own books. So one of my latest
came out is called The Great Revitalization. How activating meaning
and purpose can radically in liven your business. And I'm
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ready to help leaders understand today's very discerning and diverse workforce.
What do they want and need from you to want
to work with you, stick around and give their best.
And then I offer twenty two best proctresses that you
can then fold into your culture to create that to
provide that for them. You can find my books on
Amazon or my personal site at least quortest dot com
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if you're just now joining us. My guest is car
Alina las So. She's the author of the Path to
Flourishing Seven Principles for a Joyful, fulfilling, and purposeful Life.
So I understand a lot about your journey because I
went through something similarly, not to the same extent, but
it started for me when I lived in Brazil. I
was really twenty seven years old. I've moved there when
I was twenty six. I mean, just like you're talking
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about perfect life, you know, I'm there with my then boyfriend.
Nice job, We're traveling all over the world, we have,
you know, a great lifestyle. We live in full time
made chow for a gardener, all the whole bit. I'm
studying because I don't have a work visa and I
don't have a care in the world. And that sounds
really amazing and it was. But there was just one problem,
and that was I was often very depressed and very
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very unhappy. And that is where I discovered the existential
vacuum of logo therapy. When we are not being of
service to others, some helping in some way, we then
often fall prey to that depression of wliness and that's
that's what set me down the path, Carlina, of studying
meaning and purpose and realizing why I had to continue
to answer that thing that was summoning me and telling
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me to get on the same path that basically you're
on as well. So all that to say is I
get it.
Speaker 4 (19:32):
Oh gosh, yeah, I can connect to that story. I
appreciate it. You said the existential vacuum of logo therapy.
I know we can talk about so many different things,
but can we double click on that?
Speaker 3 (19:47):
I love it. We can double click on that. Yeah,
so you know, so the existential vacuum, what that really
speaks to is that feeling of emptiness, right, It's that
feeling like and people often see it to me in
practical terms, that there must be more lifeliness. And what
we've learned is that in logo therapy. So one of
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my master's degrees is in logo philosophy, and so logo
therapy we've never heard of that, ladies and gentlemen, It's
logos is Greek for meanings. So logo therapy is basically
vitalizing through meaning. And so what we know is that
we are at our best as humans when we're in
basically in a state of self transcendence. We transcend beyond ourselves,
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we're being of service beyond ourselves, and we have the
capacity to be able to help situate our mind or
attitude toward that state no matter what life throws at us.
We have the ability to choose our attitude. But when
we're stuck in that state of existential the exsidential vacuum,
it feels hopeless. And now we've we're into a state
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of learned helplessness, and a lot of bad things can
happen in that space.
Speaker 4 (20:57):
The way you describe it is exactly what I hear
from so many people. So now I'm working as a
purpose mentor, and it usually starts like that. You know,
a life that many people would call either perfect or
things are going well, but then eventually, at some point,
something clicks and something disconnects, and people move to frustration
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and confusion, followed by a sense of lack of motivation,
some apathy, some lack of vitality, which moves into emptiness.
That emptiness, that vacuum, and then depression, anxiety, concern, worry,
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God disconnecting from the world is so concerning to see
people walking day in and day out that path of emptiness,
of lack of motivation. And because I've felt it too,
I know what it's like, and I am committed to
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that to as just as you do, sharing practices, sharing
resources that can truly help us move from that into
a better state. And I don't like the artificial optimism
of you can do it, just change a couple of
things and it'll all be done. I always talk about
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cultivating these principles and the ongoing work that it requires,
and I also talk about moving toward the neutral state. First.
You don't have to go from depression to smiling and
thriving and laughter.
Speaker 5 (22:44):
But can we take one step up the ladder, even
if you move into you know what, I am, Okay, okay,
it's better than apathy, languishing, and then the next time
you may go up the ladder and feel better.
Speaker 3 (23:04):
It's not look better better, and then.
Speaker 4 (23:06):
Something may happen and you go back down.
Speaker 5 (23:08):
Right, This is not linear, This is not artificial. It
has to be authentic, it has to be pro found.
We go to the root the situation. We have deep conversations,
deep experiences that it is possible to move.
Speaker 3 (23:23):
Up that lad mhmm. You know what's wonderful about this exchange?
I love I love having this exchange with you, and
I love that you're in the moment, and I love
to ass to double click on logo logotherapy or the
existential vacuum. And what is so beautiful about this whole
place that we're in is it allows me beautifully to
situate your second principle, which is which is presence, the
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gift of the moment. Isn't that beautiful?
Speaker 4 (23:49):
It is beautiful? And I have to be honest with you.
I was skeptical about it when every single book about
self help or personal development I read would talk about presence,
And in the back of my mind, I used to think,
but why, like, why does it matter? Why is it
that what I am thinking about would have an impact
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on my well being? Let me just be happy and
think about I'm a planner, so just like, let me
think about the future. I really enjoyed. I get joy
out of it. But there it is. And many times
for us, the people who focus so much in the future,
we tend to worry a lot. So there is a
lot of planning, yes, but also concern, worry, preoccupation, anxiety,
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and then for people who tend to be in the past,
there is a lot of rumination. There is a lot
of regret. There is I should have done this, or
what if I had done it differently, or some nostalgia
which sometimes can be romantic and beautiful, but also can
take you away from the press moment, I mean, the end.
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The present moment is all we have. Everything else is
either gone or doesn't exist yet. And there are many
different studies that present evidence on the importance of presence
for a well being. Because right here, right now, as
hard as it may seem to comprehended or really integrated
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in our hearts, in this moment, right here, right now,
I am okay.
Speaker 3 (25:29):
I don't remember if you said this in the book.
I know you talk about ikey Guy, the Japanese concept
or the meaning basic meaning in your life. But there
is another Japanese concept that I've treated on this podcast before,
called to go eachy a, and that is really about
the presence being celebrating the moment, and the whole core
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of the of it is that cherish this moment before
for this moment will never pass again. In other words,
it's uniquely beautiful, don't miss it. And so to that end,
I would love for you to share you have some
practices that you offer to help us cultivate presence, starting
with meditation, of course, but then second one is practicing
savoring each moment proactively, which is what we're really doing
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in this conversation.
Speaker 4 (26:15):
Mm hmmm. I have a micro hack that I like
to share it with people. Can I share it with me?
Speaker 3 (26:21):
Are you reader here right now?
Speaker 4 (26:22):
Okay? So a little micro hack that I use with
my mind sometimes when we're thinking so much about the past,
pressing the future? Am I doing things to right? What's
going on? Sometimes the mind is so so so busy,
And what I do is I ask my mind. I
literally ask my own mind what's going to be my
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next thought? M everybody give it a try right now,
just like close your eyes for a moment and ask
yourself what's my next thought? What you get?
Speaker 3 (27:00):
I didn't get anything as well. I was like, I'm
like that this is a cosmic pattern interrupt or something
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (27:07):
It's an amazing It's a shortcut because the mind get
so confused, like I don't know what you're gonna think about?
Nex like's there what's there was there, So you go
into nothing else, you go into presence. There's nothing you're seeking,
but you're seeking in the present moment, there's nothing there.
It's such a good shortcut. But just like that, there
are many different ways that we can use to come
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back to the present moment again and again. Of course
meditation being the most direct way to cultivate this skill,
to build the muscle of presence, coming back to the
present again and again, and truly that is meditation. Every
time we get distracted, we recognize it, we come back.
Every time we get distracted, we recognize it and we
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come back. Many people think meditations about making your mind
blank and going empty, and that's very difficult for most people.
But it is that practice of coming back to presence.
So those are two of my favorite tools.
Speaker 3 (28:08):
Wonderful. I also do love that you talk about engaging
in physical exercise to get us back into our bodies.
I think that's really really important for presence. I know
for me, that's one of my that's it's a go
to for me. I gotta have it. Okay, Well, then
let's talk about the third principle, which I really really
really really love and have only really recently come to
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I think more fully embrace it in my own life,
and that's compassion.
Speaker 4 (28:38):
Absolutely what an important element in life, whether it's compassion
to ourselves, whether it's compassion to others. I was reading
this story, I think it was in the book Altered
Traits by Daniel's Daniel Goldman and Richard Davidson, and they
talk about how they were having a conversation with the
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Diali Lama, and the Deli Lama was surprised to see
that in the Western cultures we have a different word
for self compassion because in general, when we talk about compassion,
we kind of exclude ourselves. And that's true, right you
think of compassions like, oh, somebody else. Not only that,
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but I think there are a lot of myths around compassion,
of it being like pity or or that you have
to feel bad for somebody else. But the beautiful way
of thinking about compassion is empathy in action, being able
to feel with another person, which is the empathy component.
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But then asking yourself a question, what is of service
right now? And I love that question? What is of service?
What's of service can be rolling up your sleeves and
helping someone else. You can also be distancing yourself to
give the other person space. It can be silence, it
can be a word of appreciation. It can be something
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like I have no idea what to say right now,
but I know you're struggling, and I'm right here. One
piece of service, removing the selves, removing the like ooh,
how does this affect me? Or ooh this is too
hard for me. Removing all of that and just staying
with pure, unconditional love. That is so beautiful, Carolina, just beautiful. Okay,
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because I want to get through as many as we can.
I want to talk next about perspective, which I think
is incredibly powerful. I do agree with you these seven principles.
If we continue to nurture these, they will radically transform
our lives for the better.
Speaker 3 (30:47):
So perspective.
Speaker 4 (30:50):
Perspective is about how what you focus on grows, and
so it begs the question what are you focusing on?
And of course, human beings, we have a little bit
of wiring and bias forward negativity that we tend to
stick to. It's not working, well, what's lacking?
Speaker 5 (31:12):
I might have everything in the world and then I'm like,
I still need that one car or whatever.
Speaker 4 (31:18):
Right, So how can we be more aware and bring
more awareness for consciousness, more attention toward what it is
that we want to grow. So that's part of perspective.
Within the perspective chapter, I also talk about gratitude, which
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in my mind is the ultimate way of giving something perspective,
understanding where where are the other persons coming from, and
being grateful for it, Understanding the meaning of a particular
situation and being grateful for it. And I know it's
it sounds really hard to be grateful for something that
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may not have gone our way or may not be
what we're expecting, or for something to be labeled as
negative and ask me to be grateful, But it's about
wesignifying situations, giving a new meaning, given a new perspective.
In this chapter, I also talk about growth mindset versus
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fixed mindset, and how the stories we tell ourselves about
the events that take place in our lives become our lives.
In essence, if you think about it, our lives are
nothing about the sum of the interpretations of the events
that take place in our lives.
Speaker 3 (32:40):
Wow, is so powerful, Yes, ma'am, that is right.
Speaker 4 (32:44):
And so if it's the sum of the interpretation of
the meaning we give to the different events throughout our journeys.
Then the explanations the stories would tell ourselves about those
events truly matter, Truly truly matter. We don't remember facts,
we remember the emotions we failed. We remember those stories
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we make up about each situation.
Speaker 3 (33:08):
So that's perspective, beautifully explained and generated. Carolina. We're going
to grab our next break and let our listeners and
viewers contemplate maybe some moments in their life of what
they're grateful for. Meanwhile, I'm your host, doctor Relice Cortes.
We've run the air with Carolina Lasso. She's the founder
of clanati and which is the purpose academy dedicated to
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unlocking your full potential through transformative experiences. She's also the
creator of the Clenimente podcast. We've been talking about and
showcasing a few of her principles from her book, The
Path to Flourishing. After the break, we're going to talk
about curiosity.
Speaker 4 (33:43):
We'll be right back.
Speaker 2 (33:58):
Doctor Elise Cortes is a management consultant specializing in meaning
and purpose. An inspirational speaker and author, she helps companies
visioneer for greater purpose among stakeholders and develop purpose inspired
leadership and meaning infused cultures that elevate fulfillment, performance and
commitment within the workforce. To learn more or to invite
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Alise at elisecortes dot com. Now back to working on Purpose.
Speaker 3 (34:53):
Think interesting with us and welcome back to working on Purpose.
I'm your host, doctor Elise Cortes. As you know by now,
this program is dedicated to empowering it and inspiring you
along your journey to realize more of your potential. If
you want to learn more about how we can work
together and learn about the Gusto Now Academy for leaders
and individuals on various journeys alike, make your way to
Gusto dashnow dot com and then navigate to the training
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tab and you'll be able to find the academy there.
We would love to have you join us if you
are just now coming onto the podcast today. My guest
is Carlino Lasso She is the author of the Path
to Flourishing Seven Principles for a joyful, fulfilling, and purposeful Life.
So I embrace all of your principles and I definitely
try to nurture them in my own life. And I
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totally jam on the principle, the principle curiosity. Let's talk
about that one.
Speaker 4 (35:40):
Let's think about that one. And that's one I actually
didn't know that exce appropriate to include, because curiosity, Like,
what does that have to do with all of the
other principles that sound a little bit more more recognized
or validated, But this one is so special. And now
I love as a purpose mentor, I always work with
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the people that I support and I work with on
the topic of curiosity, on this scale of curiosity. And
it's not about being curious about someone else's life. It's
not about being nosy. It's about really connecting to yourself.
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So self knowledge, self reflection, self discovery, introspection, it all
starts with curiosity, right. Think about it. It's like when
you're feeling sad one day and you wake up and
you're like, oh, I don't know what's going on. I
feel sad today. There has to be some curiosity to
explore what's going on here and what's triggering it, right,
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and that can be the case with any emotion. So
curiosity to get to know ourselves better, curiosity to understand others,
and when you're in conversations, having that open mind, that
open heart to listen. I really like this and concept
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of showsing beginner's mind, that openness, the state of alle
sate of presence, the ability to be humble and want
to learn and not considered necessarily that we are experts
in everything. So it's that that's curiosity, that openness of heart,
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mind enhance to offer, to receive, to get to know,
to learn, to explore the world.
Speaker 3 (37:42):
I really loved how you've talked about a course, you know, labeling,
labeling your mental activity, but also investigating like a scientist
and then having the tourist mindset. That really resonates with
me as somebody who loves to travel, is do you
investigate like a scientist and then have a tourist mindset
about it? There, just go playing that and be delighted
about what you find and to allow yourself to be
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given over by it. It's just it's so beautiful.
Speaker 4 (38:07):
Absolutely, because it's so common that when we're traveling, and
you like to travel, I do. We go to a
new place and it's like, oh my gosh, the food
is amazing. Have you seen those colors and all the flavors,
and then the architecture and the people at the language,
it's fantastic, fascinating. And you go back home and everything
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looks met and everything is for standard. We don't even
pay attention, what architecture, what this is my place? I
don't pay attention. And so this actually comes from a
friend of mine, Mario, and he lives like that. He
lives every day with the tourist mindset, and I learned
it from him, and I try to integrate it into
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my life, not always, but as much as I can.
Speaker 3 (38:55):
I'm in for that. I'm in for that. Okay, now
we're on the sixth principle, which is purpose. We have
to dive into that just because right that's our jam.
Absolutely so.
Speaker 4 (39:07):
I love you.
Speaker 3 (39:08):
Know you talk about really the opening quotes, and you
have so many beautiful quotes in your book. I mean,
there's just so much color and verb in your book.
But the first, the opening quote in this chapter is
from David Viscott. The purpose of your life is to
discover your gift. The work of life is to develop it.
The meaning of life is to give it away. That
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is so beautiful and I really resonate with that. So
let's dive into purpose.
Speaker 4 (39:33):
What is it?
Speaker 3 (39:34):
First?
Speaker 4 (39:35):
Purpose? Yes, I've been thinking so much about purpose, and
of course we talked about my second book, The Purpose Reseaid,
where we could do a deep dive into this topic.
But to me, it is a process. It's a journey
the destination not at that end, but an ongoing process buying.
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Of course, there's that sense of identifying your longings, your strength,
as value as your intentions, and then with that information
about awareness, taking action, doing something about it. With the
extra comp surface.
Speaker 3 (40:19):
You talked about transcending the self.
Speaker 5 (40:23):
We have to there has to be more than a
self that's satisfying this one person and being able.
Speaker 4 (40:30):
To put ourselves in the surface.
Speaker 3 (40:35):
Mhm. I always like to talk about that when I'm
talking on stages about purpose, et cetera. I like to
situate what purpose isn't I was speaking at a conference
and that the woman in front of me got up
and she belt it out, my purpose is to double
my income. Who that's really misleading that's not purpose. That's
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a fine goal, but it's not purpose. Why Because it's,
to your point, always about being of service to something
beyond yourself. So I just really want to reiterate that
with our audience because I know a lot of people.
What counts for purpose?
Speaker 4 (41:11):
Absolutely.
Speaker 3 (41:13):
I g am also on your notion of enthusiasm as
your compass in the purpose quest and journey. I love
that enthusiasm, joy, inspiration, happiness, and deep pleasure are your
best guides when seeking your purpose. Your divine self wants
you to achieve your purpose in this human experience. So
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when you get close to it, you're on the right path.
You feel joy and a sense of fulfillment. That's a
great sign that you're doing what your true essence wants
for you. I can relate to that exactly, Carlina. That
is what happened to me that whenever I always like
to say, answered to call and I listened to that
thing that said, okay, Liz, put your next foot right
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or you're in this little pad right there. Every time
I answered to that, I felt joy every time.
Speaker 4 (42:00):
Yeah that's beautiful. Yeah, it's one step at a time,
and enthusiasm has that curiosity component So a lot of
people talk about follow your passion, and I've stopped using
that terminology. Passion sound so heavy sometimes and like, there's
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just one passion, I have to go find it. What
if I don't find it? What if I have many passions?
Why did you choose one? What if I've changed my mind?
I don't like the prior passion? Than what do I do? Right?
It has a lot of it creates anxiety. So what
if we were to not only see it as a journey,
but the journey we are already walking and we're being guided,
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and the guide comes in disguid The guide comes as
curiosity mixed with joy, and I think those two create enthusiasm.
And I love looking into the etymology of words, and
this one has in particular cut my attention because it
comes from the Greek and sales and thoos in God,
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in divinity, in inspiration. Think about it that way.
Speaker 6 (43:16):
And so when you are following your enthusiasm, your curiosity
with your joy, you're feeling in alignment with something a
little bit beyond the self, our intelligence, however you want
to call it.
Speaker 4 (43:31):
So I really really like it, and I also feel it.
And so people tell you what I don't feel enthusiastic
about anything, And I say, there has to be a
little bit of curiosity about something. Who do you follow
on Instagram? What kind of video? What kind of videos
do you watch on YouTube? What kind of books are
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you inclined to buy even if you don't buy them,
even if you don't read them? What are the topics
you search about on chat, GPT? What are your conversations? Right?
Whatever it is, there has to be something. And usually
when we combine all of those data points, look at this,
it's exploring our lives as scientists, collecting data from our
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day to day. When do I feel inspired? When do
I feel dreamed? What kind of dreams am I having?
What gives me up at night? What gets me even
if it's a little bit, what gets me a little excited?
All of that counts.
Speaker 3 (44:31):
You and I could have a whole separate series about
purpose and such. I do want to point out for
listeners and viewers, I love your model of helping helping
people through the clarity, Causes and change framework. Can you
just talk about that briefly and then maybe we can
hit just a little bit on your seventh principle afterwards.
Speaker 4 (44:53):
Absolutely, and an open invitation.
Speaker 7 (44:55):
If anyone wants to chat or if you have questions
about any of the topics we've tot about, feel free
to connect with me on linkedinka when my website is
the link Carolinalassa dot com.
Speaker 4 (45:07):
But so I uncovered those three steps, just a little
shortcup for me to think about steps to connect with
our purpose or reconnect with our purpose. So clarity, awareness
of all the things we just talked about. What gives
you somese of enthusiasm? What are your strengths, what are
your interest Then to that's clarity causes that's related to
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what moves you? So specifically, what causes in the world
move you? Is it environmentalism? Is it education? Like there
has to be something? And I always say that it's
equally important to know your causes and to also know
what you don't care about. And let's be honest about it,
and let's be realistic. You kind of care about every
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single cause in the world. That's okay, So let's be
clear what really moves you. And I think having big
emotions related to our cause would be a good sign
that you're on the right truck and then change. And
I do think that we need to be brave many times,
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and courage comes from taking action. Courage also means creating
the change we want to see in the world, creating
the change we need in our lives, whether it's changing
a job, changing moving to another city, changing relationships, anything
that really supports you on your path to worphus purposeful life,
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and that can come in many, many different ways. But
we do need some courage to take action because there
are many forces in our system, in our society that
kind of prevent us from making big, drastic changes or
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small changes. But that feeling alignment with what which really.
Speaker 3 (47:06):
Want just gorgeous. You know, we really don't have time
to go into this of the principle, but well, let
me just quickly introduce it for our listeners and viewers
because it's so beautiful. In that chapter is just chock
full of so much. But you talk about the seventh principles,
you say that acceptance means allowing and trusting life as
is with equanimity, and equanimity is the ability to maintain
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emotional balance and stability regardless of external situations. It means
living in the present without reacting with attachment or aversion
to life's ups and downs. That sounds like a lot
to cultivate to me. And I also want to really
call out and celebrate how you talk about our opportunity
to really embrace forgiveness and it's a way of letting go,
but it really is more beneficial to the person who
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forgives than the person who is forgiven or what is forgiven.
And I really want to celebrate just how powerful I
found that to be, because that's definitely one that I
could nurture a bit more here and there.
Speaker 4 (48:06):
I think all of us can.
Speaker 8 (48:08):
All of us can, whether it's so whe near to us,
whether it's someone we don't know, whether it's politics, whether
it's macro level events, there's so much that we can
do to cultivate more of that acceptance principle.
Speaker 4 (48:25):
And now I do need to be clear here. Acceptance
does not mean giving up. It does not mean not
sending boundaries. It's quite the opposite. It's understanding what's within
our control and for that to everything you can to
create the change you need. But for whatever you cannot control, truly,
what can you do? And how can we surrender to
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a higher intelligence? And how can we stop fighting our
present moment and wanting it to be different and how
can we accept it And from that acceptance, which comes
with greater awareness and clarity, then we can go and
set boundaries, create the change, go fight for what we
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think is important.
Speaker 3 (49:10):
That is an incredible way to finish the show. Carolina.
I want to say thank you again, as I said before,
for being you, for putting your workout in the world,
for coming back onto working on purpose a second time.
It is a delight to know you and share you
with my listeners and viewers.
Speaker 4 (49:23):
Thank you, Thank you for inviting me again. Thanks to
everyone who made it this far, for listening to us,
and thank you so much for what you do and
for this wonderful show.
Speaker 3 (49:33):
Thank you, Carlina, listeners and viewers. If you want to
learn more about Carlina Lasso, the work she does at Plenari,
her Plundamente podcast, or her books, best to start visiting
her personal site is Carlino Lasso. Let me spell that
for you. Gotlina is c A r O l I
n A Lasso l A S s O Carlinoalasso dot com.
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She's the founder of Plenari, the Purpose Academy dedicated to
unlocking your full potential through transformative experiences. She's the creator
of the Plenimente podcast. She served as the global head
of Marketing at SIY Global or I think It's called
silly and is a certified search inside Yourself teacher. She's
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the co author of the Purpose Reset How Becoming How
we reconnecting to what matters most drives fulfillment and success,
which we talked about in an earlier episode. She's also
the author of the Path to Flourishing Seven Principles for
a Joyful, fulfilling and purposeful Life, which will be talking
about today. Godoline, a hearty welcome back to working on purpose.
Speaker 4 (02:50):
Benity that it's so special to come back. It feels
like a familiar space already. Hello, Doctor Lee's gets a
little beautiful soul.
Speaker 3 (02:59):
It's so wonder to have you back. Thank you being
you and gallivanting the planet the way that you do.
Speaker 4 (03:06):
It's my pleasure to be here, to have the conversation
and to connect with your audience again.
Speaker 3 (03:12):
Well, let's celebrate this time. What you brought forth your
first book, The Path to Flourishing, and how beautiful it is.
I love that you could actually envision when you were
working through this process. You could actually envision the blue cover.
Speaker 4 (03:24):
And the and smell. I could smell the book before
it was printed.
Speaker 3 (03:29):
It was so amazing to see that. I just love,
love love that. Okay, so you have written a really,
really beautiful book that's very personal and also incredibly it's opening,
and it's also very actionable. But let's just open the
conversation by talking about really where the book came from
and why you felt like you had to share these
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seven principles for creating this joyful, fulfilling and purposeful life
for listeners of yours who haven't yet read the book
like I have.
Speaker 4 (03:57):
Yeah, yeah, where did it come from? I remember it
started during the pandemic, and I had already written blog posts,
and I had tons of notebooks of had written ideas
and thoughts, and every time I would take a class,
I would write some notes, listen to a podcast every
(04:18):
time I write a book, and so I started consolidating
all of these thoughts and ideas. But it wasn't until
the pandemic. And honestly, I had the time and the
space to pause and to think about my purpose, and
the thought of legacy came up, and I started to
write it. And it took me nine months to write it,
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which is quite some book. And then I actually published
it first in Spanish under the name len, which is
a word that it's really hard to translate into other languages,
and then I published it in English under the purpose Reset.
I'm sorry, the backup flourishing Purpose Reset is my life
this book that we talked about the other day, and
(05:03):
it's really that it's the path that can lead us
to a flourishing life. And I try to make it
as practical and relatable and real as possible because it's
truth is it was my life story and how I
uncovered many of the principles that I talk about.
Speaker 3 (05:21):
Mm hmm. I saw somewhere there that's see what You've
got advice from somebody not to put on all your
personal stories. I'm so glad that you ignored that, because
that's really part of what helps us understand why this
is so important. And I know that part of the
reason you wrote the book is is to help plant
a seed of curiosity about flourishing in your readers, but
also because you were heeding your own inner calling, which
(05:43):
I really really applaud I've had. That's a journey too.
I understand what it feels like to be you know,
you're being summoned and it's like this, It's this compelling
poll that grabs you, and it's so beautiful when you
lean into it and listen to it. It's just so powerful.
Speaker 4 (05:59):
Absolutely, I feel like it's a magnet. And I was
kind of pulled into it, and of course all the
stories in my mind would.
Speaker 5 (06:06):
Come up, as I'm sure as a case for many
people listening to us.
Speaker 4 (06:10):
Who am I to write a book? The biggest one
for me, I'll share openly, was well, I'm like to
talk about personal development when I the international business and
I have an MBA with a bout finance right to
be doing that's not for me. Let's leave it to
the experts. But that that calling, that magnet that paul
(06:32):
as you're talking about, it was so strong and I
had to answer the calling.
Speaker 3 (06:39):
I'm so glad you did. It's so beautiful what you're
doing in the world. I so applauded. And you know
that you and I are are sisters in spirit, so Yeah,
we're doing some very similar work, so let's dive into
some of the content. I don't know if we'll get
through all seven of your principles. We'll get through as
many as we can, but I think it's probably important
first that we situate your definition of flourishing.
Speaker 4 (07:00):
H absolutely, ah. There are so many ways to describe it,
but I like to think about it as our natural state,
a state of well being, of fulfillment, of profound joy
that comes from within. In a way, it's who we are.
That state of flourishing is who we truly are. I
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like to compare it to the sky. The blue sky
is always there, is always present, and sometimes it is
covered by clouds, but the fact that there are clouds
doesn't mean the blue sky isn't there. Stable, majestic, huge,
and limited. That's how I think of our true selves,
our in ourselves, and that's how I think of that
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deeper state of flourishing, that stable, unlimited state of being.
Speaker 3 (07:54):
That's so beautiful. Is that why the cover of the
book is the sky blue color?
Speaker 4 (07:58):
Maybe? And ring just checking?
Speaker 3 (08:02):
Okay, Well, then I just have to situate and also
celebrate why this flourishing If it's not convincing enough that
you want to live in that kind of space. Then
Carolina goes on to say, when people cultivate flourishing in
their lives, not only do they live better, but they
also contribute directly to our collective human well being and growth. Yes, ma'am,
I love that.
Speaker 4 (08:23):
Yes, I actually think working on our individual state of
flourishing is doing the world a favor, right, because if
we were to start there, then we would have enough space, creativity, intuition,
wisdom to take action and change the things in the
world that we do need to change.
Speaker 6 (08:45):
Right.
Speaker 4 (08:45):
I'm not trying to say just put all the onus
on the individual. I'm trying to say, we start there
and from that state, oh, we can create all the
change we want to see in the world.
Speaker 3 (08:58):
Well, I'll just quickly check in on this just for
to magnify what you're saying. And it's import the last
book that I put out, it's co written by with
Arthur Cerra mccoulay, who's a clinical psychologist. I'm an organizational psychologist.
It's called The Power of Soulful Healing, Turning Wounds into Wisdom,
and the whole premise of the book is every single
one of us humans walking the planet is walking wounded.
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The question is to what extent are we aware of
our wounds? And how are we trying to heal? And
the more that we heal, the more we help others heal,
the more we lift the world. So very similar but
coming at it from different different angles.
Speaker 4 (09:36):
Yeah, that's beautiful goodness.
Speaker 3 (09:38):
Agree, And so we, like I say, we're sisters in
arms here crobly not?
Speaker 4 (09:43):
I know? Okay, So well, let's dive in.
Speaker 3 (09:45):
I want to get through as much as I can too.
So the first principle I love how you organized this
into really a living sort of organism lack type look
and in terms of your graphic, But the first of
your seven principles is pause. And I like how you
even describe what you mean by that. So let's talk
a little bit about pause.
Speaker 4 (10:06):
To me, a pause is a moment too, but the
break right in this world that is moving so quickly,
in this world of hustling and doing and productivity, taking
a moment to stop is a little bit a revolution, right,
(10:28):
And there are many different ways we can take a pause.
We can stop. It can be taking three breaths before
sending that nasty email that you're about to send and
may regret. It can be about taking time off, vacation,
taking a day off when you're sick. How many times
do we feel like we have to power through and
(10:49):
keep on going even when our body needs healing, when
our hearts need healing, and or it can be vacation
or in my case and the this at the core
of my book is this trip that I took around
the world. It's a little cliche to do the whole
It's a little bit like you pray love Colombian style
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my friends. Yeah, I don't be that way. I honestly
didn't planet. Actually, I don't think I had read that
book back then. It wasn't published even but that opportunity
to take distance, and to me, it was less about
(11:31):
the distance that I would travel. It was more about
connecting with myself. But in order to do so, I
did have to zoom out a little bit. So that's
another way of taking a pause. In my case, it
was a forced mental health leave of absence that I
had to take because I couldn't go any further. It was.
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It was a hard moment for me and that break
changed my life.
Speaker 3 (11:59):
The well, I like how you start with this this
notion of pause, and I like how you say, you
just you describe it, and I quote in your book
any break used to disconnect from your routine or to
create spaces for rest, leisure and introspection. By pausing, we
can connect with our inner self more deeply and directly,
which is what you're talking about. But I really think
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I'm zeroing in on the introspection piece, having a space
to have the time for introspection, which you say to
you talk about how much the pandemic it did that
for you as well, it did it for millions of us, right,
but it was that's that pause is so so powerful
for an opening.
Speaker 4 (12:40):
Absolutely, yeah. How many times in a given day do
we open up space for self reflection, for introspection, to
connect with our intuition, or simply to do nothing. During
my time in Italy I learned about im then is
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a sweet art of doing nothing nothing. Yes, and sometimes
I'm guilty of this. I would take take a break
through in the middle of my day, but I would
need I'd be like, I need to go for a
walk because I need to hit my ten thousand steps,
or I need to do my meditation because that's the
thing of the ten or I need to be proactive,
so let me do deep reflection. And sometimes it's just
(13:23):
like you know, all you need to do is not do,
just be.
Speaker 3 (13:29):
One of the many gifts we get from our Italian friends, right,
is this ability to play with life and be able
to joy enjoy those you know, those moments doing perfectly
nothing or seemingly nothing but just drinking it in. That's
one of the many reasons I know you and I
both love to travel and to connect with other cultures
we can learn from. And I know I both of
us have been expanded by being in the different cultures.
Speaker 4 (13:53):
Oh and I think that's why I ended up during
my mental health leave going to travel the world. The
truth is that I was on a quest to figure
out why it was that I wasn't happy, because you see,
I did everything that I was told or that I
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heard about, that I needed to do in order to
be happy. Right, I followed the American dream, moving as
a seventeen year old from Columbia to the United States.
I got a full scholarship to go to college. I
worked really hard at school and outside, I did all
sorts of jobs. I ended up graduating top of my class.
(14:37):
I got a really good job in New York City
in financial services. I worked in media and entertainment that
I got a job offer at Google. I got married.
I was living in Silicon Valley, in sunny Veil, out
of all places, and it was literally sunny Veil right
like everything was just perfect, sunny, blue sky sand. Deep inside,
(14:58):
I kept on asking myself, why am I? Why not
have be What's going on here? And today I can
answer that, But it took me a really long time
and lots of introspection and reflection and why that was
not the case, And now I know it was purpose.
Really it was the seven principles that I talk about
in the book, the seven mindfulness based principles that I
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talk about. That's why they feel so real and so
authentic to me. And I wholeheardly believe that those are
the principles that can truly create a shift. And these
are principles that we cultivate. They're not once an done
kind of thing. We have to cultivate them all the time.
(15:41):
Sometimes I still forget it and I read my own
book and I'm like, oh, this kind of makes sense.
I should put this into practice. And there we are,
over and over.
Speaker 3 (15:51):
Again, I can so relate to your story. We're gonna
grab our first break. I will comment on how I
connect with your story very briefly, but before we die
into the break. Here we are I'm your host, Doctor
release Cortez. We've been on the year with Carolina Lasso,
who's the founder of Planardio Planarti excuse me Planarti, which
is the purpose academy dedicated to unlocking your full potential
(16:12):
through a transformative through transformed experiences. She's also the creator
of Planomende podcast. We've been talking about the first principle
in her book, The Path to Flourishing. After the break,
we're going to start with a couple more and we'll
carry through which the next one we're going to talk
about is presence. We'll be right back.
Speaker 2 (16:44):
Doctor Elise Cortez is a management consultant specializing in meaning
and purpose. An inspirational speaker and author. She helps companies
visioneer for greater purpose among stakeholders and develop purpose inspired
leadership and meaning infused cultures that elevate fulfillment, performance, and
commitment within the workforce. To learn more or to invite
alease to speak to your organization, please visit her at
(17:06):
elisecortes dot com. Let's talk about how to get your
employees working on purpose. This is working on Purpose with
doctor Elise Cortes. To reach our program today or to
open a conversation with Elise, send an email to Alise
A Lisee at eliscortes dot com. Now back to working
(17:30):
on Purpose.
Speaker 3 (17:36):
Thanks for staying with us, and welcome back to working
on Purpose. I'm your host, doctor Relise Cortes, as I
am dedicated to helping create a world where organizations thrive
because they're people thrive and are led by inspirational leaders
that help them find and contribute their greatness. And we
new business at Betters in the world. I keep researching
and writing my own books. So one of my latest
came out is called The Great Revitalization. How activating meaning
and purpose can radically in liven your business. And I'm
(17:59):
ready to help leaders understand today's very discerning and diverse workforce.
What do they want and need from you to want
to work with you, stick around and give their best.
And then I offer twenty two best proctresses that you
can then fold into your culture to create that to
provide that for them. You can find my books on
Amazon or my personal site at least quortest dot com
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if you're just now joining us. My guest is car
Alina las So. She's the author of the Path to
Flourishing Seven Principles for a Joyful, fulfilling, and purposeful Life.
So I understand a lot about your journey because I
went through something similarly, not to the same extent, but
it started for me when I lived in Brazil. I
was really twenty seven years old. I've moved there when
I was twenty six. I mean, just like you're talking
(18:41):
about perfect life, you know, I'm there with my then boyfriend.
Nice job, We're traveling all over the world, we have,
you know, a great lifestyle. We live in full time
made chow for a gardener, all the whole bit. I'm
studying because I don't have a work visa and I
don't have a care in the world. And that sounds
really amazing and it was. But there was just one problem,
and that was I was often very depressed and very
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very unhappy. And that is where I discovered the existential
vacuum of logo therapy. When we are not being of
service to others, some helping in some way, we then
often fall prey to that depression of wliness and that's
that's what set me down the path, Carlina, of studying
meaning and purpose and realizing why I had to continue
to answer that thing that was summoning me and telling
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me to get on the same path that basically you're
on as well. So all that to say is I
get it.
Speaker 4 (19:32):
Oh gosh, yeah, I can connect to that story. I
appreciate it. You said the existential vacuum of logo therapy.
I know we can talk about so many different things,
but can we double click on that?
Speaker 3 (19:47):
I love it. We can double click on that. Yeah,
so you know, so the existential vacuum, what that really
speaks to is that feeling of emptiness, right, It's that
feeling like and people often see it to me in
practical terms, that there must be more lifeliness. And what
we've learned is that in logo therapy. So one of
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my master's degrees is in logo philosophy, and so logo
therapy we've never heard of that, ladies and gentlemen, It's
logos is Greek for meanings. So logo therapy is basically
vitalizing through meaning. And so what we know is that
we are at our best as humans when we're in
basically in a state of self transcendence. We transcend beyond ourselves,
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we're being of service beyond ourselves, and we have the
capacity to be able to help situate our mind or
attitude toward that state no matter what life throws at us.
We have the ability to choose our attitude. But when
we're stuck in that state of existential the exsidential vacuum,
it feels hopeless. And now we've we're into a state
(20:51):
of learned helplessness, and a lot of bad things can
happen in that space.
Speaker 4 (20:57):
The way you describe it is exactly what I hear
from so many people. So now I'm working as a
purpose mentor, and it usually starts like that. You know,
a life that many people would call either perfect or
things are going well, but then eventually, at some point,
something clicks and something disconnects, and people move to frustration
(21:22):
and confusion, followed by a sense of lack of motivation,
some apathy, some lack of vitality, which moves into emptiness.
That emptiness, that vacuum, and then depression, anxiety, concern, worry,
(21:45):
God disconnecting from the world is so concerning to see
people walking day in and day out that path of emptiness,
of lack of motivation. And because I've felt it too,
I know what it's like, and I am committed to
(22:06):
that to as just as you do, sharing practices, sharing
resources that can truly help us move from that into
a better state. And I don't like the artificial optimism
of you can do it, just change a couple of
things and it'll all be done. I always talk about
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cultivating these principles and the ongoing work that it requires,
and I also talk about moving toward the neutral state. First.
You don't have to go from depression to smiling and
thriving and laughter.
Speaker 5 (22:44):
But can we take one step up the ladder, even
if you move into you know what, I am, Okay, okay,
it's better than apathy, languishing, and then the next time
you may go up the ladder and feel better.
Speaker 3 (23:04):
It's not look better better, and then.
Speaker 4 (23:06):
Something may happen and you go back down.
Speaker 5 (23:08):
Right, This is not linear, This is not artificial. It
has to be authentic, it has to be pro found.
We go to the root the situation. We have deep conversations,
deep experiences that it is possible to move.
Speaker 3 (23:23):
Up that lad mhmm. You know what's wonderful about this exchange?
I love I love having this exchange with you, and
I love that you're in the moment, and I love
to ass to double click on logo logotherapy or the
existential vacuum. And what is so beautiful about this whole
place that we're in is it allows me beautifully to
situate your second principle, which is which is presence, the
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gift of the moment. Isn't that beautiful?
Speaker 4 (23:49):
It is beautiful? And I have to be honest with you.
I was skeptical about it when every single book about
self help or personal development I read would talk about presence,
And in the back of my mind, I used to think,
but why, like, why does it matter? Why is it
that what I am thinking about would have an impact
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on my well being? Let me just be happy and
think about I'm a planner, so just like, let me
think about the future. I really enjoyed. I get joy
out of it. But there it is. And many times
for us, the people who focus so much in the future,
we tend to worry a lot. So there is a
lot of planning, yes, but also concern, worry, preoccupation, anxiety,
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and then for people who tend to be in the past,
there is a lot of rumination. There is a lot
of regret. There is I should have done this, or
what if I had done it differently, or some nostalgia
which sometimes can be romantic and beautiful, but also can
take you away from the press moment, I mean, the end.
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The present moment is all we have. Everything else is
either gone or doesn't exist yet. And there are many
different studies that present evidence on the importance of presence
for a well being. Because right here, right now, as
hard as it may seem to comprehended or really integrated
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in our hearts, in this moment, right here, right now,
I am okay.
Speaker 3 (25:29):
I don't remember if you said this in the book.
I know you talk about ikey Guy, the Japanese concept
or the meaning basic meaning in your life. But there
is another Japanese concept that I've treated on this podcast before,
called to go eachy a, and that is really about
the presence being celebrating the moment, and the whole core
(25:50):
of the of it is that cherish this moment before
for this moment will never pass again. In other words,
it's uniquely beautiful, don't miss it. And so to that end,
I would love for you to share you have some
practices that you offer to help us cultivate presence, starting
with meditation, of course, but then second one is practicing
savoring each moment proactively, which is what we're really doing
(26:13):
in this conversation.
Speaker 4 (26:15):
Mm hmmm. I have a micro hack that I like
to share it with people. Can I share it with me?
Speaker 3 (26:21):
Are you reader here right now?
Speaker 4 (26:22):
Okay? So a little micro hack that I use with
my mind sometimes when we're thinking so much about the past,
pressing the future? Am I doing things to right? What's
going on? Sometimes the mind is so so so busy,
And what I do is I ask my mind. I
literally ask my own mind what's going to be my
(26:45):
next thought? M everybody give it a try right now,
just like close your eyes for a moment and ask
yourself what's my next thought? What you get?
Speaker 3 (27:00):
I didn't get anything as well. I was like, I'm
like that this is a cosmic pattern interrupt or something
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (27:07):
It's an amazing It's a shortcut because the mind get
so confused, like I don't know what you're gonna think about?
Nex like's there what's there was there, So you go
into nothing else, you go into presence. There's nothing you're seeking,
but you're seeking in the present moment, there's nothing there.
It's such a good shortcut. But just like that, there
are many different ways that we can use to come
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back to the present moment again and again. Of course
meditation being the most direct way to cultivate this skill,
to build the muscle of presence, coming back to the
present again and again, and truly that is meditation. Every
time we get distracted, we recognize it, we come back.
Every time we get distracted, we recognize it and we
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come back. Many people think meditations about making your mind
blank and going empty, and that's very difficult for most people.
But it is that practice of coming back to presence.
So those are two of my favorite tools.
Speaker 3 (28:08):
Wonderful. I also do love that you talk about engaging
in physical exercise to get us back into our bodies.
I think that's really really important for presence. I know
for me, that's one of my that's it's a go
to for me. I gotta have it. Okay, Well, then
let's talk about the third principle, which I really really
really really love and have only really recently come to
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I think more fully embrace it in my own life,
and that's compassion.
Speaker 4 (28:38):
Absolutely what an important element in life, whether it's compassion
to ourselves, whether it's compassion to others. I was reading
this story, I think it was in the book Altered
Traits by Daniel's Daniel Goldman and Richard Davidson, and they
talk about how they were having a conversation with the
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Diali Lama, and the Deli Lama was surprised to see
that in the Western cultures we have a different word
for self compassion because in general, when we talk about compassion,
we kind of exclude ourselves. And that's true, right you
think of compassions like, oh, somebody else. Not only that,
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but I think there are a lot of myths around compassion,
of it being like pity or or that you have
to feel bad for somebody else. But the beautiful way
of thinking about compassion is empathy in action, being able
to feel with another person, which is the empathy component.
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But then asking yourself a question, what is of service
right now? And I love that question? What is of service?
What's of service can be rolling up your sleeves and
helping someone else. You can also be distancing yourself to
give the other person space. It can be silence, it
can be a word of appreciation. It can be something
(30:09):
like I have no idea what to say right now,
but I know you're struggling, and I'm right here. One
piece of service, removing the selves, removing the like ooh,
how does this affect me? Or ooh this is too
hard for me. Removing all of that and just staying
with pure, unconditional love. That is so beautiful, Carolina, just beautiful. Okay,
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because I want to get through as many as we can.
I want to talk next about perspective, which I think
is incredibly powerful. I do agree with you these seven principles.
If we continue to nurture these, they will radically transform
our lives for the better.
Speaker 3 (30:47):
So perspective.
Speaker 4 (30:50):
Perspective is about how what you focus on grows, and
so it begs the question what are you focusing on?
And of course, human beings, we have a little bit
of wiring and bias forward negativity that we tend to
stick to. It's not working, well, what's lacking?
Speaker 5 (31:12):
I might have everything in the world and then I'm like,
I still need that one car or whatever.
Speaker 4 (31:18):
Right, So how can we be more aware and bring
more awareness for consciousness, more attention toward what it is
that we want to grow. So that's part of perspective.
Within the perspective chapter, I also talk about gratitude, which
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in my mind is the ultimate way of giving something perspective,
understanding where where are the other persons coming from, and
being grateful for it, Understanding the meaning of a particular
situation and being grateful for it. And I know it's
it sounds really hard to be grateful for something that
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may not have gone our way or may not be
what we're expecting, or for something to be labeled as
negative and ask me to be grateful, But it's about
wesignifying situations, giving a new meaning, given a new perspective.
In this chapter, I also talk about growth mindset versus
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fixed mindset, and how the stories we tell ourselves about
the events that take place in our lives become our lives.
In essence, if you think about it, our lives are
nothing about the sum of the interpretations of the events
that take place in our lives.
Speaker 3 (32:40):
Wow, is so powerful, Yes, ma'am, that is right.
Speaker 4 (32:44):
And so if it's the sum of the interpretation of
the meaning we give to the different events throughout our journeys.
Then the explanations the stories would tell ourselves about those
events truly matter, Truly truly matter. We don't remember facts,
we remember the emotions we failed. We remember those stories
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we make up about each situation.
Speaker 3 (33:08):
So that's perspective, beautifully explained and generated. Carolina. We're going
to grab our next break and let our listeners and
viewers contemplate maybe some moments in their life of what
they're grateful for. Meanwhile, I'm your host, doctor Relice Cortes.
We've run the air with Carolina Lasso. She's the founder
of clanati and which is the purpose academy dedicated to
(33:30):
unlocking your full potential through transformative experiences. She's also the
creator of the Clenimente podcast. We've been talking about and
showcasing a few of her principles from her book, The
Path to Flourishing. After the break, we're going to talk
about curiosity.
Speaker 4 (33:43):
We'll be right back.
Speaker 2 (33:58):
Doctor Elise Cortes is a management consultant specializing in meaning
and purpose. An inspirational speaker and author, she helps companies
visioneer for greater purpose among stakeholders and develop purpose inspired
leadership and meaning infused cultures that elevate fulfillment, performance and
commitment within the workforce. To learn more or to invite
(34:20):
Alease to speak to your organization, please visit her at
elisecortes dot com. Let's talk about how to get your
employees working on purpose. This is Working on Purpose with
doctor Elise Cortes. To reach our program today or to
open a conversation with Elise, send an email to Elise
(34:42):
Alise at elisecortes dot com. Now back to working on Purpose.
Speaker 3 (34:53):
Think interesting with us and welcome back to working on Purpose.
I'm your host, doctor Elise Cortes. As you know by now,
this program is dedicated to empowering it and inspiring you
along your journey to realize more of your potential. If
you want to learn more about how we can work
together and learn about the Gusto Now Academy for leaders
and individuals on various journeys alike, make your way to
Gusto dashnow dot com and then navigate to the training
(35:14):
tab and you'll be able to find the academy there.
We would love to have you join us if you
are just now coming onto the podcast today. My guest
is Carlino Lasso She is the author of the Path
to Flourishing Seven Principles for a joyful, fulfilling, and purposeful Life.
So I embrace all of your principles and I definitely
try to nurture them in my own life. And I
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totally jam on the principle, the principle curiosity. Let's talk
about that one.
Speaker 4 (35:40):
Let's think about that one. And that's one I actually
didn't know that exce appropriate to include, because curiosity, Like,
what does that have to do with all of the
other principles that sound a little bit more more recognized
or validated, But this one is so special. And now
I love as a purpose mentor, I always work with
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the people that I support and I work with on
the topic of curiosity, on this scale of curiosity. And
it's not about being curious about someone else's life. It's
not about being nosy. It's about really connecting to yourself.
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So self knowledge, self reflection, self discovery, introspection, it all
starts with curiosity, right. Think about it. It's like when
you're feeling sad one day and you wake up and
you're like, oh, I don't know what's going on. I
feel sad today. There has to be some curiosity to
explore what's going on here and what's triggering it, right,
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and that can be the case with any emotion. So
curiosity to get to know ourselves better, curiosity to understand others,
and when you're in conversations, having that open mind, that
open heart to listen. I really like this and concept
(37:08):
of showsing beginner's mind, that openness, the state of alle
sate of presence, the ability to be humble and want
to learn and not considered necessarily that we are experts
in everything. So it's that that's curiosity, that openness of heart,
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mind enhance to offer, to receive, to get to know,
to learn, to explore the world.
Speaker 3 (37:42):
I really loved how you've talked about a course, you know, labeling,
labeling your mental activity, but also investigating like a scientist
and then having the tourist mindset. That really resonates with
me as somebody who loves to travel, is do you
investigate like a scientist and then have a tourist mindset
about it? There, just go playing that and be delighted
about what you find and to allow yourself to be
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given over by it. It's just it's so beautiful.
Speaker 4 (38:07):
Absolutely, because it's so common that when we're traveling, and
you like to travel, I do. We go to a
new place and it's like, oh my gosh, the food
is amazing. Have you seen those colors and all the flavors,
and then the architecture and the people at the language,
it's fantastic, fascinating. And you go back home and everything
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looks met and everything is for standard. We don't even
pay attention, what architecture, what this is my place? I
don't pay attention. And so this actually comes from a
friend of mine, Mario, and he lives like that. He
lives every day with the tourist mindset, and I learned
it from him, and I try to integrate it into
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my life, not always, but as much as I can.
Speaker 3 (38:55):
I'm in for that. I'm in for that. Okay, now
we're on the sixth principle, which is purpose. We have
to dive into that just because right that's our jam.
Absolutely so.
Speaker 4 (39:07):
I love you.
Speaker 3 (39:08):
Know you talk about really the opening quotes, and you
have so many beautiful quotes in your book. I mean,
there's just so much color and verb in your book.
But the first, the opening quote in this chapter is
from David Viscott. The purpose of your life is to
discover your gift. The work of life is to develop it.
The meaning of life is to give it away. That
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is so beautiful and I really resonate with that. So
let's dive into purpose.
Speaker 4 (39:33):
What is it?
Speaker 3 (39:34):
First?
Speaker 4 (39:35):
Purpose? Yes, I've been thinking so much about purpose, and
of course we talked about my second book, The Purpose Reseaid,
where we could do a deep dive into this topic.
But to me, it is a process. It's a journey
the destination not at that end, but an ongoing process buying.
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Of course, there's that sense of identifying your longings, your strength,
as value as your intentions, and then with that information
about awareness, taking action, doing something about it. With the
extra comp surface.
Speaker 3 (40:19):
You talked about transcending the self.
Speaker 5 (40:23):
We have to there has to be more than a
self that's satisfying this one person and being able.
Speaker 4 (40:30):
To put ourselves in the surface.
Speaker 3 (40:35):
Mhm. I always like to talk about that when I'm
talking on stages about purpose, et cetera. I like to
situate what purpose isn't I was speaking at a conference
and that the woman in front of me got up
and she belt it out, my purpose is to double
my income. Who that's really misleading that's not purpose. That's
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a fine goal, but it's not purpose. Why Because it's,
to your point, always about being of service to something
beyond yourself. So I just really want to reiterate that
with our audience because I know a lot of people.
What counts for purpose?
Speaker 4 (41:11):
Absolutely.
Speaker 3 (41:13):
I g am also on your notion of enthusiasm as
your compass in the purpose quest and journey. I love
that enthusiasm, joy, inspiration, happiness, and deep pleasure are your
best guides when seeking your purpose. Your divine self wants
you to achieve your purpose in this human experience. So
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when you get close to it, you're on the right path.
You feel joy and a sense of fulfillment. That's a
great sign that you're doing what your true essence wants
for you. I can relate to that exactly, Carlina. That
is what happened to me that whenever I always like
to say, answered to call and I listened to that
thing that said, okay, Liz, put your next foot right
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or you're in this little pad right there. Every time
I answered to that, I felt joy every time.
Speaker 4 (42:00):
Yeah that's beautiful. Yeah, it's one step at a time,
and enthusiasm has that curiosity component So a lot of
people talk about follow your passion, and I've stopped using
that terminology. Passion sound so heavy sometimes and like, there's
(42:21):
just one passion, I have to go find it. What
if I don't find it? What if I have many passions?
Why did you choose one? What if I've changed my mind?
I don't like the prior passion? Than what do I do? Right?
It has a lot of it creates anxiety. So what
if we were to not only see it as a journey,
but the journey we are already walking and we're being guided,
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and the guide comes in disguid The guide comes as
curiosity mixed with joy, and I think those two create enthusiasm.
And I love looking into the etymology of words, and
this one has in particular cut my attention because it
comes from the Greek and sales and thoos in God,
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in divinity, in inspiration. Think about it that way.
Speaker 6 (43:16):
And so when you are following your enthusiasm, your curiosity
with your joy, you're feeling in alignment with something a
little bit beyond the self, our intelligence, however you want
to call it.
Speaker 4 (43:31):
So I really really like it, and I also feel it.
And so people tell you what I don't feel enthusiastic
about anything, And I say, there has to be a
little bit of curiosity about something. Who do you follow
on Instagram? What kind of video? What kind of videos
do you watch on YouTube? What kind of books are
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you inclined to buy even if you don't buy them,
even if you don't read them? What are the topics
you search about on chat, GPT? What are your conversations? Right?
Whatever it is, there has to be something. And usually
when we combine all of those data points, look at this,
it's exploring our lives as scientists, collecting data from our
(44:15):
day to day. When do I feel inspired? When do
I feel dreamed? What kind of dreams am I having?
What gives me up at night? What gets me even
if it's a little bit, what gets me a little excited?
All of that counts.
Speaker 3 (44:31):
You and I could have a whole separate series about
purpose and such. I do want to point out for
listeners and viewers, I love your model of helping helping
people through the clarity, Causes and change framework. Can you
just talk about that briefly and then maybe we can
hit just a little bit on your seventh principle afterwards.
Speaker 4 (44:53):
Absolutely, and an open invitation.
Speaker 7 (44:55):
If anyone wants to chat or if you have questions
about any of the topics we've tot about, feel free
to connect with me on linkedinka when my website is
the link Carolinalassa dot com.
Speaker 4 (45:07):
But so I uncovered those three steps, just a little
shortcup for me to think about steps to connect with
our purpose or reconnect with our purpose. So clarity, awareness
of all the things we just talked about. What gives
you somese of enthusiasm? What are your strengths, what are
your interest Then to that's clarity causes that's related to
(45:31):
what moves you? So specifically, what causes in the world
move you? Is it environmentalism? Is it education? Like there
has to be something? And I always say that it's
equally important to know your causes and to also know
what you don't care about. And let's be honest about it,
and let's be realistic. You kind of care about every
(45:53):
single cause in the world. That's okay, So let's be
clear what really moves you. And I think having big
emotions related to our cause would be a good sign
that you're on the right truck and then change. And
I do think that we need to be brave many times,
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and courage comes from taking action. Courage also means creating
the change we want to see in the world, creating
the change we need in our lives, whether it's changing
a job, changing moving to another city, changing relationships, anything
that really supports you on your path to worphus purposeful life,
(46:42):
and that can come in many, many different ways. But
we do need some courage to take action because there
are many forces in our system, in our society that
kind of prevent us from making big, drastic changes or
(47:03):
small changes. But that feeling alignment with what which really.
Speaker 3 (47:06):
Want just gorgeous. You know, we really don't have time
to go into this of the principle, but well, let
me just quickly introduce it for our listeners and viewers
because it's so beautiful. In that chapter is just chock
full of so much. But you talk about the seventh principles,
you say that acceptance means allowing and trusting life as
is with equanimity, and equanimity is the ability to maintain
(47:30):
emotional balance and stability regardless of external situations. It means
living in the present without reacting with attachment or aversion
to life's ups and downs. That sounds like a lot
to cultivate to me. And I also want to really
call out and celebrate how you talk about our opportunity
to really embrace forgiveness and it's a way of letting go,
but it really is more beneficial to the person who
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forgives than the person who is forgiven or what is forgiven.
And I really want to celebrate just how powerful I
found that to be, because that's definitely one that I
could nurture a bit more here and there.
Speaker 4 (48:06):
I think all of us can.
Speaker 8 (48:08):
All of us can, whether it's so whe near to us,
whether it's someone we don't know, whether it's politics, whether
it's macro level events, there's so much that we can
do to cultivate more of that acceptance principle.
Speaker 4 (48:25):
And now I do need to be clear here. Acceptance
does not mean giving up. It does not mean not
sending boundaries. It's quite the opposite. It's understanding what's within
our control and for that to everything you can to
create the change you need. But for whatever you cannot control, truly,
what can you do? And how can we surrender to
(48:47):
a higher intelligence? And how can we stop fighting our
present moment and wanting it to be different and how
can we accept it And from that acceptance, which comes
with greater awareness and clarity, then we can go and
set boundaries, create the change, go fight for what we
(49:08):
think is important.
Speaker 3 (49:10):
That is an incredible way to finish the show. Carolina.
I want to say thank you again, as I said before,
for being you, for putting your workout in the world,
for coming back onto working on purpose a second time.
It is a delight to know you and share you
with my listeners and viewers.
Speaker 4 (49:23):
Thank you, Thank you for inviting me again. Thanks to
everyone who made it this far, for listening to us,
and thank you so much for what you do and
for this wonderful show.
Speaker 3 (49:33):
Thank you, Carlina, listeners and viewers. If you want to
learn more about Carlina Lasso, the work she does at Plenari,
her Plundamente podcast, or her books, best to start visiting
her personal site is Carlino Lasso. Let me spell that
for you. Gotlina is c A r O l I
n A Lasso l A S s O Carlinoalasso dot com.
(49:54):
Last week, if you missed the live show, you can
always catch it be you recorded, podcast or wherever you
get them. See see you then for another nourishing and
elevating conversation Together, Let's lean in and learn together about
how to make workplaces that work for everyone and find
ways to do business that betters the world. Let's work
on Purpose.
Speaker 2 (50:14):
We hope you've enjoyed this week's program. Be sure to
tune into Working on Purpose featuring your host, doctor Elise Cortes,
each week on W four CY. Together, we'll create a
world where business operates conscientiously. Leadership inspires and passion performance,
and employees are fulfilled in work that provides the meaning
and purpose they crave. See you there, Let's work on Purpose.
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