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September 30, 2024 34 mins

 On the Early Edition with Ryan Bridge Full Show Podcast for Monday 1st of October, The Government has released its action plan for the fourth quarter of the year. ACT MP and Under Secretary to the Minister responsible for RMA Reform Simon Court is on the show to discuss the new targets. 

The Insurance Council wants people to stop building in “dumb places” where there is a higher risk of a natural disaster. So how do you know you're building in a safe place? Urban planner Bruce Weir speaks to Ryan. 

Air New Zealand's regional route between Wellington and Invercargill will stop operating from mid-January 2025, how could it impact tourism in the region? Great South's Chief Executive Chami Abeysinghe joins the show. 

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
The issues, suits, the interviews and the inside. Ryan Bridge
new for twenty twenty four on the early edition with
Smith City, New Zealand's furniture beds and a player store.

Speaker 2 (00:14):
News Talks EDB, Good morning, it has just gone six
half to five News Talk ZB. It looks like Israel
is going to go into Lebanon. This is boots on
the ground. The Israeli Defense minister just in the last
week while says the next phase of the war will begin.
Quote soon, We'll have updates for you. Acts Simon Court
on the new Infrastructure Agency. Have they included labor in

(00:36):
their plans? The insurance industry says, stop building in dumb places.
What are dumb places? Dono Tomatow out of Australia and
guess the age of the latest Miss Universe candidate.

Speaker 1 (00:51):
The agenda.

Speaker 2 (00:52):
It is Tuesday, the first of October. You're on News
Talks EDB. Israel looks set to put boots on the
ground in southern Lebanon. The US says it could imminently
launch a limited ground incursion. Meanwhile, Netanyahu addressed the Iranian people.

Speaker 3 (01:05):
That regime plunges our region deeper into darkness and deeper
into war. Every day, their puppets are eliminated. As muhammadev
Asna Suela. There is nowhere in the Middle East Israel
cannot reach.

Speaker 2 (01:21):
The death toll from Hurricane Helen. In the Southeast United
States now more than one hundred two million still without power.

Speaker 1 (01:27):
Our state Emergency Response team has completed nearly nine hundred
and seventy four missions and they're actively fulfilling fifteen hundred more.

Speaker 2 (01:36):
Japan's going to the polls a snap election for them.
The incoming Prime minister wants the poll held in a month,
not in a year when it was planned. Shigeru Ishiba
was just elected by his party and says the people
should judge him. Ride that honeymoon Aeshiba. Ride that honeymoon
back home. The government's crowing about a triple whammy of
good news, childcare payments, new cancer drug funding kicking today.

(01:58):
Everybody will be talking about no, not that, how much
lux and soldiers houses forward. Did you see the TV
one story last night. I'll tell you about that in
just a few moments.

Speaker 1 (02:09):
Get ahead of the headlines. Ryan Bridge you for twenty
twenty four on early edition with Smith City, New Zealand.
Furniture beds and a Planet Store News.

Speaker 2 (02:19):
Talk said, be here's an idea. How would you feel
about and this is the hospital in Dunedan that everybody's
talking about. How would you feel about private funding for
a public hospital? How would you feel about a private
company building it. There is a company that does this,
it's called Vital Healthcare and they have been for years
banging on Labour's door. That then government saying we want

(02:42):
to build stuff and then we'll rent it back to you,
and Labour said no. They put a line through it
in terms of health and in terms of education infrastructure,
they said, nah, we don't want to borrow it. How
do you feel about that? If it gets the damn
thing built? They reckon they can do things cheaper, They reckon,
they can do them more effectively. Nine two ninety two
is the number two text. I can't see a problem

(03:03):
with it. Build cheaper, build better, rent back to us.
What's the problem? Nine two nine two the number to text.
Would be great to have your feedback on that this morning.
And I am going to ask Simon Cought about that.
He's the he's the guy. He's an undersecretary. A bit demeaning,
but he's the under secretary for the Minister for RMA

(03:24):
and the Minister of Infrastructure as well, so we'll ask
him about that just before six o'clock. Also a bunch
of other stuff, like where is a dumb place to
build a house? I would have thought in a flood zone.
But if you want to build your house in a
flood zone and it's a high risk flood zone area,
should the government stop you? I mean, obviously no one's
going to ensure you. But if you've got the money

(03:44):
you want to do it, there's obviously an expectation of
no expectation of any kind of bailout or help from
the government. Then I don't know. I suppose go for it.
It's your life, you know. If you want a drown
in it, that's your choice. Minutes after five.

Speaker 4 (04:01):
Bridge bridge.

Speaker 2 (04:05):
Loads wore to come to including from Russia. They are
going to increase their defense spending in Russia by thirty percent.
And you say, how on earth are they funding all
of this? Well, two hundred and twenty eight million dollars
a year is their defense budget. They're raising personal and
corporate taxes to plug holes in their budget. So there

(04:26):
you go. If you're in Russia, you pay more in
tax to vun Putin's war in Ukraine. Eleven minutes after five,
You're on Newstalk, said B. News and Views.

Speaker 1 (04:40):
You trust to start your days early edition with Ryan
Bridge and Smith City, New Zealand's furniture, beds and a
playing store.

Speaker 2 (04:47):
News Talk said B thirteen after five, Great to have
your company this morning. Did you see the news last night?
One News? It was a story about Chris Luxen and
his property saying, oh, he's making so much profit half
a million dollars. I think once they added them all
together that.

Speaker 5 (05:03):
Two is pending settlement for nine hundred and thirty thousand,
resulting in a two hundred and eighty k profit. Combined
with the apartment, that's almost half a million in property
profit for the Prime minister?

Speaker 2 (05:16):
Is it property profit? Because what they failed to add
in it was in the story, but they didn't add
into the equation the fact that they had undertaken extensive
renovations on the place, which would obviously increase the capital value.
So last time I checked, profit meant, you know, revenue

(05:37):
minus expenses. So do we just take the flat numbers
of it. This is what they bought it for, this
is what they sold it for, and completely ignore what
they spent in between. I don't know. Fourteen minutes after
five cran Bridge, speaking of property, insurers, want to make
sure the government's replacement for the RIMA ensures that we

(05:57):
don't build in what they call places, places that are
earthquake prone or flood prone. The government's replacing the RIMA
with two pieces of legislation. The Insurance Council says we're
particularly vulnerable to natural hazard risks. They reckon that around
seven hundred and fifty thousand people and four hundred and
sixty one thousand buildings are at risk of coastal inundation,

(06:18):
in land flooding. Bruce Where is a urban designer at
Saddleback Planning and Urban Design, is with us this morning. Bruce,
good morning, Good morning, Ryan. Good to have you on
the show. Do people want? Do people want to build
in high risk flood zones?

Speaker 4 (06:36):
It's one of those funny ironies in New Zealand, isn't it.
Everywhere we want to live is played with a few issues,
and coastal inundation is one of them. The high value areas,
so all of our waterfronts close cloth edges, edges of waterways.
Just it's a human condition. To some extent. But having

(06:59):
said that, we also build on good flat land that's
prone to flooding, and we all know it's just what
it is.

Speaker 2 (07:06):
Should we be allowed to or do we have a choice.
I mean, we just basically be living in apartments if
we do no.

Speaker 4 (07:14):
Look, I think what it is is that. Look, it
comes down to cost. There's risks for everything, absolutely everything
you know over the and flows, and it's up to
you to do your due diligence on a size and
understand the costs of you know, most of the heavy

(07:35):
lifting is done at the front end of a project
when you do land development. It's not when you can
strike the house. You can set minimum floor levels, those
sorts of things for houses and that will provide you
pretty good mitigation. Most of the heavy liftings doe the
land developers when they're identifying, you know, the prime areas

(07:57):
to locate. And I understand the insurance counsels concerns, no
two ways about it.

Speaker 2 (08:04):
Well, they don't want to be, but they have a
lot of clouts they do, and they don't want to be.
I mean, they're obviously just a warning saying we're not
going to be able to cover these guys. If they
keep building in high risk areas? Do you think we
should change the rule? I mean, should the public, should
a council, should the government ever have to bail out
or help out if a person knowingly builds in a

(08:28):
high risk area.

Speaker 4 (08:30):
Well, the way I see it is so we're trying
to decide between having acc essentially and private property or
making people personally responsible for the decisions they take. And
you know, like I think the problem is you can

(08:52):
put the information out there and people still make decisions.
And if we allow people to do that and there's
no consequence, then then we're going to keep on getting
dumb decisions. Is a level of pain factor and people
you know, look, if you drive drunk, you lose your license, right,

(09:14):
you know what's coming. You're not insured, your car's uninsured.
You're going to get hammered both ways. And so you know,
why is it any different for property?

Speaker 1 (09:25):
Why do we.

Speaker 4 (09:26):
Somehow we have to bail everybody out when they do
knowingly stupid things. Yeah, it's people lie, it's fraud, it's
a crime.

Speaker 2 (09:35):
Tell you, I forget that Bible saying that the man
who built his house on the rock and the sand,
And I forget how it goes, but it's that kind
of story. Bruce, thank you very much for that. Bruce Ware,
urban designer at Saddleback Planning and Urban Design, talking there
about the insurance industry which is saying stop building and
dumb places and wants the government to basically legislate that.

(09:55):
Simon Court is the act MP and he's the Undersecretary
responsible for We'll ask him about that when he's on
the show. Just before six eighteen after five.

Speaker 1 (10:07):
Ryan Bridge New for twenty twenty four on early edition
with Smith City, New Zealand's Furniture Beds and a Flying Store.

Speaker 2 (10:14):
News Talk. Sibby, it is twenty after five. You're on
news Talk, said, be couple of quick bits of information
for you. One, businesses are feeling quite bullish. This is
A and z's business September outlook. Business confidence is up
again ten points to sixty one for September and their
expected activity. This is for themselves, not looking at the
economy in general. They also expect to lift. That's up

(10:38):
eight points to forty five, so that's good news. Even
looking back. They're feeling quite bullish about things given what's
happened in the last couple of weeks. However, there's a
consumer Credit Indicator report out from Centrix this morning, so
consumers business is feeling good, Consumers still battling and borrowing,
twenty four percent year on year increase in financial hardship cases.

(11:00):
New credit card applications are up now. Is that a
sign that people are struggling and need to pay bills
with credit cards or is it a sign they're feeling
a little bit more positive and thinking, well, I can
get that credit card now because things will improve in
the future. In any case, there's an OCR decision next week.
It is twenty one after five Bridge. You might have

(11:20):
seen this in New Zealand's pulling out of in the
Cargo Wellington route. This is happening in January. They say
that the decision came down to engine issues and softening
of demand. Domestically, Customers can still go to in Vicargo
from Wellington, but you've got to go via christ Church.
Jimmy Abbas singing it here is with us this morning

(11:41):
from the Great South, which is the tourism agency down there.
Thank you for being with me. Is this a big
loss the Wellington route?

Speaker 6 (11:51):
Definitely is. We're very disappointed. We've worked really hard as
a region to establish where we are at this point
in time. Economic development's been really good, the growth has
been really good. Tourism is almost back to pre COVID
levels and one of the key factors behind this is

(12:12):
our accessibility. And you know, the direct flights from the
main centers from Auckland and Auckland, Wellington and christ Church.
So losing a direct route between Invacago and Wellington is
extremely disappointing for us.

Speaker 2 (12:29):
Do you know how many tourists or how much it
might cost your region?

Speaker 6 (12:33):
No, we haven't really done that sort of modeling. But
you know, like I mean, as a New Zealand said,
you can still come to us via christ Church, and
they're proposing that they will have additional flights put on
for us to and from christ Church, so that you
know there is still those opportunities. I don't know, we

(12:56):
haven't been informed of what those routes and the additional flights.

Speaker 2 (13:00):
I like, it is the Auckland route in any doubt.
Have you asked in New Zealand about that.

Speaker 6 (13:06):
Absolutely, they have guaranteed that it isn't the whole reason
they've gone to this particular flight. I think one of
the reasons is also about our exports going from in Chicago.
We've got the jet service via Auckland, and of course

(13:26):
we've got opportunities to connect to the international world via
christ Church. So those two routes are secure. The loadings
they say to Wellington is also they're also full. I
mean the flights of fall. Anybody who's been on that
flight will know that there's hardly a fair seed.

Speaker 2 (13:42):
That they've guaranteed it. Yeah, Jmmy, thank you very much
for your time this Wanning really appreciate it. Jemmy, I
was singing joining us from Great South. She's the chief
executive of the Economic Development agency down there. It is
It is annoying, isn't it. When you go to book
a fly and they say, oh, you're going to go
via christ Church. It just changes the game. You're not

(14:03):
going to go down for the day, which is kind
of what I was looking at doing, and we while
ago for work. It just becomes a whole multi day thing,
doesn't it. So it is a bit of a game changer,
though thankfully the Auckland one seems to be guaranteed. Twenty
four after five the early.

Speaker 1 (14:17):
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Speaker 2 (14:23):
You're on news talk ZB twenty six minutes after five
if you're just joining US. Israel looks set to launch
a ground invasion into Lebanon. Could happen as early as
today and as all this happens, our government is refusing
to say if it will designate Hesbil's political wing as
a terrorist entity, and a statement to this show our

(14:44):
terrorism designations work in group the other ones who decided
this stuff. They say that the aramback group's military wing
was declared a terrorist entity in twenty ten. It basically
says they won't talk publicly about whether they're considering going
further with Hesbila. This all comes, of course, after Israel
killed its leader, Hesbila's leader, Hassan israelap. The US called

(15:06):
this justice the group itself interesting that sheally makes no
distinction between its military and its political social wings. What's
interesting here two things. Number One, Luxon and Winston designated
hamas a terror group in its entirety back in February,
after years of making a distinction for the political wing.
Will they do the same with Hesbila. Number Two. In Australia, Albanezi,

(15:30):
there is cracking down on protesters in New South Wales
and in Victoria, who was seen waving his bill of
flags and allegedly chanting violent verses. If such a thing
were to happen here, would the lack of his designation
stop our authorities from taking similar action. Leon Goldsmith, who
say Middle East expert, told me yesterday on the show

(15:52):
Australia and Canada don't make any distinction like we do. Ultimately,
what we do is not going to stop Warren in
the Middle East, but could affect how we deal with
the fallout here at home Rambridge. Well loads of people
are fined up about Luxon and his so called profit
on his rental properties. Morning Ryan the if my business,

(16:16):
if my company made two hundred and seventy five thousand
dollars profit and I didn't have to pay tax, I'd
be laughing, says Greg. I suppose there's a point there, Ryan,
profit is after expenses. Clearly that story on One News
last night was seeking a scandal rather than looking for
the truth. This is just because the story, I don't
know if you caught it, but basically said that Luxon

(16:38):
had made a profit on his rental properties and of
the one he lived in in Wellington because they took
what sale price was and then subtracted the purchase price
and said, right, these you profit, ignoring the fact that
apparently there had been extensive renovations on the properties. Also,
you've got your real estate agent's fees. They want to

(16:58):
come in and have their suck of the save, don't they.
It is twenty nine minutes after five News Talks the
be Simon Court, just before six plus new poll on
Trump and Harris in the Battlegrounds.

Speaker 1 (17:24):
The news you need this morning, and the in depth
analysis early edition with Ryan Bridge and Smith City, New
Zealand's furniture beds and a playing store.

Speaker 2 (17:33):
News Talk said, be good morning. It is twenty four
away from six newsic Talalks thed b. If you're just
joining us, it looks like Israel is going to go
in boots on the ground into southern Lebanon. A official
from the United States government has told CBS confirmed that

(17:56):
Israel has notified the United States that to launch a
limited ground incursion into Lebanon. We have been expecting this
for a couple of days. They haven't been in there, properly,
been in there on the ground since two thousand and
six ended in a stalemate. Then but Israel wants to
go in and just whack and wipe out their capability
for firing rockets into Israel. Obviously that's something that annoys

(18:20):
them that they don't want to happen. Anyway, we'll keep
you up to date with what's happening there. Simon Court,
the act MP and Undersecretary on RMA and Infrastructure, he's
with us just before six. How would you feel about
a privately funded hospital in Dunedin? Also, Donald de Mayo,
our Australia correspondent, is with us this morning and just
before before we get to our reporters. You know Miss

(18:42):
Universe basically, what do you think? You think hot girls
and bikinis? Don't you not any longer? There's an eighty
year old woman from South Korea who wants to be
the next Miss Universe and she's entered the competition. What
exactly is a beauty pageant these days? Anyway, she's eighty.
You know, I could go and watch a cat walk

(19:03):
down at the Rheman village, which would be the same thing,
wouldn't it. I mean, good honor, good honor. She said,
she wants to make history. Is the oldest contestant and
the global beauty pageant. She said, I want to stun
the world, like, how is an eighty year old lady
so healthy? How did she maintain that body? What's her diet? Good?

Speaker 7 (19:24):
Honor?

Speaker 2 (19:24):
I suppose. So there you're going. That's happening in Mexico
in October. It is twenty two.

Speaker 1 (19:29):
To six, Bryan Bridge.

Speaker 2 (19:31):
We're going to our reporters around the country. Calum Proctor
is in Dunedin. Clum, good morning to you. Would you
like the sound of an eighty year old miss Universe.

Speaker 8 (19:40):
Thinking about I have to let Nana know about that.

Speaker 2 (19:42):
She could give her a run for a money. Hey,
what's happening in Queenstown? The by laws around in water safety? Yeah?

Speaker 8 (19:51):
Look, the draft bylaws are up for consultation at the moment.
Though aim to manage safety on the Queenston Lakes District's
lakes and rivers so people can enjoy water activities safely.
The council says waterways are vital to the area.

Speaker 2 (20:06):
We all know that.

Speaker 8 (20:07):
Ensuring navigation safety is their top priority, so they say
that particularly interested in feedback for this coming summer season
on the use of phones and communication devices on boats
and vessels, also ski lane locations, vessel speed limits and
also regulations for temporary water events.

Speaker 2 (20:24):
So submissions close at the end of the month. Ryan.

Speaker 8 (20:27):
The agreed by laws will be adopted early next year.
All right, how's your weather today, clem, mainly fine, high
cloud and northerly developing. Dunedin's high eighteen today.

Speaker 2 (20:35):
Thank you, Claire Sheuwood is in christ Church this morning.

Speaker 6 (20:37):
Clear.

Speaker 2 (20:38):
A positive trend continues for Canterbury University.

Speaker 9 (20:41):
Yes, well for christ Church in general. Ryan. This year
is open day for Canterbury Uni has gained a record
breaking interest with more than six and a half thousand
students and families attending. That's a forty percent increase so
on the numbers from last year. This comes as enrollments
also rapidly rise, with an all time high of twin
two thousand students there this year. The Assistant Vice Chancellor

(21:03):
of Engagement, Brett Burkwist, says a lot of effort has
gone into designing some new programs recently. He says a
few years ago they would predominantly draw engineering students, but
that's now spread across all degrees.

Speaker 2 (21:15):
Well, that's cool. How's your weather fine?

Speaker 9 (21:18):
With high cloud this evening, light winds afternoon northeasterlyes warm
though twenty degrees.

Speaker 2 (21:23):
Thank you Claire on this universe Ken's text and once
you know what they say, once you go great, there's
no other way. MAX tolls in Wellington this morning. Max
a pushback against paid parking being introduced here.

Speaker 10 (21:36):
Yeah, this is in PITTSUNI where from today for the
first time. In fact, paid parking is in force on
the main drag drag Jackson Street. Locals understandably upset. Community
leader Mike Fisher talked to us. He says a number
of businesses as well, none of them happy. He's spoken
to them. Cafes, restaurants, bars, shops. The big concern is

(21:57):
that this will keep at least some people away, but
it'll also clog up the suburb side streets where parking
can be relatively scarce. The cost itself isn't particularly dere
three dollars an hour with a two hour time limit,
but it's going to be enforced nine to five, seven
days a week. The Hut City Council, of course, citing

(22:17):
lack of funds. Apparently, if it hadn't made these changes,
rates would have risen fair enough.

Speaker 2 (22:23):
I suppose weather today and Wellington.

Speaker 10 (22:26):
They're partly cloudy, some stronger winds today, northerlies fifteen. The
high in the city brilliant. Thank you, Max and neighbors
in Auckland. Good morning, Neva, good morning.

Speaker 2 (22:34):
We've got a future fund to look forward to here, Yes,
we do so.

Speaker 11 (22:38):
Auckland councils hoping that this new future fund will make
tens of millions of dollars and returns each year. So
this fund is officially now been launched, will initially be
capitalized by the Council's remaining Auckland Airport Chairs.

Speaker 9 (22:51):
Now.

Speaker 11 (22:52):
It was created to diversify the council's major investments to
improve the region's physical and financial resilience. So the decisions
of how this fund is going to be used, that's
going to be left up to the trustees board. But look,
assuming a seven point two five percent return, the council
is expecting to see number crunching forty million back in
cash each year from twenty twenty six. Wow, whether you

(23:14):
go for this cross? Oh my god, I'm loving that
eighty year old.

Speaker 2 (23:17):
I know it's cool, isn't it good? It good on it?
And she looks fantastic, does she? I do want to know?
I can show you. Obviously it's radio, so it's bad form.
But she does look great, oh year, and you do
want to know what she's eating exactly how is she
doing that?

Speaker 11 (23:32):
And they'd have to change the questions. Imagine if she
got through, you know, like do they still have a
talent or you know what do you watch for the
world and they are a global peace or something like that?
What would you ask her? Doesn't probably be married about
five times, probably twenty thousand children.

Speaker 2 (23:45):
Want to ask her how she looks so good? I
guess yeah, what's your secret?

Speaker 7 (23:49):
Yes?

Speaker 2 (23:49):
Exactly? Weather a year weather please?

Speaker 11 (23:52):
Yeah, I was just thinking what else is cloudy? Isolated?
Light ChEls this morning? Very warm though.

Speaker 2 (23:57):
Eighteen beautiful weather at the moment, loving Neva. Thank you
very much. That's neither Timano and Auckland. It's just gone
eighteen minutes away from sex. You're on news talk, said
b Simon Court before Sex and Australia.

Speaker 1 (24:08):
Next International correspondence with ends and eye Insurance Peace of
Mind for New Zealand Business called.

Speaker 2 (24:15):
It a sexual gift of Simon Court. In The Thick
and First, Donna demays Australia correspondent Donna an email Blunder.

Speaker 12 (24:22):
Absolutely This happened at the Victorian Victims of Crime Assistance Tribunal.
It was called an administrative eraror basically, hundreds of email
addresses have been shared and it's understood up to about
four hundred and eighty people recipients that were all on
this single email all received the same email. But they're

(24:45):
calling it an accident. But the question is, isn't apology enough.
These email addresses were shared now some are believed to
belong to victims of crime, and lawyers say that it's
such a serious privacy breach. It's they've condemned the incident,
saying that it could actually add trauma for so many
vulnerable people, including victims of attempt at murder or family violence.

(25:06):
And well, the tribunal is offering support and has apologized,
but one person's already spoken out, telling the ABC they're
very frightened. Another reports suggest that one person has already
received graphic footage from another person in that email change.

Speaker 2 (25:25):
Oh, it's awful story, but you also do have to
feel probably for whoever the person was that you know
that accidentally sent the email.

Speaker 12 (25:33):
Absolutely, I'm sure they feel terrible about it.

Speaker 2 (25:35):
Hey, The Bushfire season kicks off today.

Speaker 12 (25:37):
Are you ready, Yes, well some aren't. We're hearing from
New South Wales Fire Service and they're saying that they've
already responded to more than sixteen hundred bush and grass
fires across the state since the start of July. And
there's been years of wet weather vegetation growth and that's
making it harder for fire authorities to prepare for the

(25:57):
bushfire season. As you mentioned, it does start today, so
they've issued those warnings to residents to start preparing from
now and there's a number of things they need to do,
including have a bushfire survival plan. Interestingly, we heard from
the Bureau of Meteorology earlier this month and they said, oh, sorry,
last month and they said that they found that large

(26:18):
parts of Queensland, the Northern Territory, the southwest of Victoria
and the southeast corner of South Australia face a greater
risk of bushfires this spring.

Speaker 2 (26:27):
Old yeah, not good. Hopefully they have sort of things
out and prepared themselves done and to our Australia correspondent,
it is twelve minutes away from six Bryan Bridge. The
government's released it's Q four action plan. It's got forty
three points and it's the ones we're looking at this morning,
RMA reform and establishing the National Infrastructure Agency, which is

(26:48):
coming by Christmas. We are promised in this action Plan.
Simon Court is act MP and Under Secretary to the
Minister responsible for RMA reform and for Infrastructure. Simon good morning,
Good morning, Ryan, thanks for being with me. The Infrastructure
Agency that we want to set up by Christmas. Have
you got any idea on what it's going to cost us?

Speaker 7 (27:10):
No, but it's vital that we do have an agency
that can coordinate funding from the private sector that we
need to put it into the PPP projects, and that
has the expertise, say to accept and review market lead
proposals when the private sector has a really, really good
idea and they want to take it to government. Say

(27:33):
for example, when I was in Texas and twenty twenty two,
a Spanish consortium said, look, we've provided a proposal to
upgrade State Highway one and upgrade the Northern Express Busway
at no cost to the taxpayer. All we wanted was
a fifty year right to operate it. There was no
one to receive that proposal. So the National Infrastructure Agency
is intended to be the front door for really really

(27:54):
good ideas and the coordinator between private and institutional finance
and the big profit.

Speaker 2 (28:00):
Partnership had any offers so far, sod you've announced that
it's coming.

Speaker 7 (28:05):
Well. What we heard at the Building Nations conference, which
is New Zealand's big infrastructure conference about a month ago,
was it this massive desire to participate in these big
public private partnership projects.

Speaker 2 (28:19):
But you haven't challenge You haven't had any specific offers
that you're aware of, the government has any specific offers
from from interested parties.

Speaker 7 (28:27):
I'm aware that there are a number of parties that
are lining up to make submissions when we've got the
National Infrastructure Agency open.

Speaker 2 (28:34):
Do you know how many or what their names are?

Speaker 7 (28:38):
And I certainly don't. And that's the that's one of
the challenges is maintaining privatey and people have really really
good ideas. We don't want them to be in a
situation where they present the folder of good ideas to
government and then it gets shopped around all the competitors
or treated in a way that.

Speaker 2 (28:56):
Have you guys spoken to Labor about the establishment of
this year? Have you have you guys been in contact
with Barbibans et cetera, because it was it all needed
to be come by our according to the Expert Advisory Panel.

Speaker 7 (29:09):
Well, there is cross party support for delivering infrastructure. Different
political parties have different priorities, but the coalition's priority is
to get major roads of national significance consented and built totally.

Speaker 2 (29:22):
And I get that. But the problem is you guys
start it, they stop it. The next one starts that,
they stop it. So you need to be an agreeance.
Have you guys spoken to Labor or not.

Speaker 7 (29:32):
Well, I've certainly spoken to people at Barbara Emon's on
a regular basis. But here's the challenge for Labor Ryan.
They need to grow up. In countries like Australia, there
is no dispute whether roads are part of the nation's
infrastructure mix. For some reason, the left wing in New
Zealand still want to argue about where the roads are.
A good idea. They just need to grow up and

(29:52):
get with the proo.

Speaker 2 (29:53):
I think everybody needs to grow up. Really, let's talk
about Dunedin, the hospital there. Why don't we have a
privately owned hospital built?

Speaker 7 (30:03):
Well, that's a really good question. I have a delegation
to look into the key options and to develop policy
to make it much easier for those kind of projects
to go ahead with private capital. At the moment, the
government is really short of money, but public private partnerships
direction they're not. They're not just to get more money,

(30:24):
they're actually to get better whole of life maintenance outcomes,
bring more innovation.

Speaker 2 (30:28):
And there's private companies that do this. They build health
care facilities, they build hospitals, and then we rent them back.
Would you like to see that in somewhere like to
need them.

Speaker 7 (30:38):
Well, I think that's one of the options that should
be on the table. Is it necessarily Well, it may
not necessarily apply to to Needen, but it certainly should
in the health portfolio, education portfolio and other social services
going forward.

Speaker 2 (30:50):
Does nationally agree with that, because at the moment they've owned,
they've limited it to acc super fund, etc.

Speaker 7 (30:58):
Well, we developed the Public Product Partnership Policy Model Update
and that's going to be available in the next couple
of months, and at that point it's going to be
quite clear there's a simpler pathway for a whole of
private investors and really good quality builders to get together
and provide these solutions to government over a longer period

(31:19):
of time.

Speaker 2 (31:19):
You're giving me the scope, simon, aren't You're saying that
hospitals and health are both fair game for private private
capital to build PPPs, to come and build them and
we rent them back.

Speaker 7 (31:33):
Well, that's a government policy to consider the better use
of private institutional capital and delivering infrastructure. That's no secret, right,
but of the one of the things you've learned from
looking at Transmission Gully and some of these other projects
is actually the risk balance isn't right between the crown
and the private sector. There's some risk that the crown
should should take hold of and retain and then you

(31:55):
actually get a better value, smarter outcome from the private sector.
So those are one of the things that we're working
on and also making sure the collaboration up is going
to deliver the best design and the best value for
money in the next In the next couple of months,
we'll be making an announcement about that.

Speaker 2 (32:11):
But just to be clear, National has so far limited
funding or ideas for funding for health and education to
the a sec Fund, the super Fund and key we Saver.
Are you saying that it could be open to private
enterprise companies like vital.

Speaker 7 (32:27):
Well in the education space, you know, there are already
education pvps so at Waktapu School in Auckland, at Holbsonville.
We're private capital, not just acc and these other government
funds are already engaged. So we just want to make
sure that there's a simpler pathway to do it and

(32:47):
that the Crown is ready, because the Crown hasn't necessarily
been ready to have this engagement. The last six years
have seen the withering away of crown's capability to engage
with the private sector. We're making sure that we're ready
to do it and we'll have a policy an ounce
and taken the next couple of months.

Speaker 2 (33:03):
All right, Simon, thank you very much for your time
this morning. That's act MP and Under Secretary for Aromy
and Infrastructure, Simon Court at a six to six.

Speaker 1 (33:11):
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