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Speaker 1 (00:01):
The issues, the interview and the inside Ryan Bridge you
for twenty twenty four on the early edition with Smith City,
New Zealand's furniture Beds and a play at store us Dogs.

Speaker 2 (00:15):
It'd be good morning, welcome to your Monday. Just gone
six after five it is d Day. In the next
half an hour we're going to speak to the mayor
about the two hundred plus jobs that are on the
line and it will pay who A decision will be
made today. What does he know about it? Plus before
six eleven homicides in one month? Is it a spike?
Should we worry or should we actually just all come

(00:36):
down and get on with our lives. Gavin Gray out
of the UK Scotland. They're protesting about migration there. Andrew
Alison's with us in Sport. How did Raizor handle the
pressor pressure over the weekend? We'll ask.

Speaker 1 (00:49):
The agenda.

Speaker 2 (00:50):
It is Monday, the ninth of September. Three Israelis have
been shot and killed at the border crossing between the
West Bank and Jordan. Israel's Prime minister has linked the
shooting to their conflict with Iran and militant groups. All
Israel's land crossings with Jordan have now been closed. Police
in the US still on the hunt for a man
who started shooting at vehicles on a highway in Kentucky.

Speaker 3 (01:10):
All of a.

Speaker 4 (01:10):
Sudden, we just heard this deafening loud sound and it
sounded like a like.

Speaker 1 (01:15):
A rock went through my back window and our ears
were ringing.

Speaker 2 (01:19):
Nine vehicles hit, five people injured. Back here. The Pulkinghorn
trial potentially reaching its final week this week might spill
over into next week as well. The jury has been
hearing evidence for six weeks now, meth, money, power, and
potentially allegedly murder. One day, a criminologist, i'm sure will
pour over the public's fascination with this and ask why

(01:41):
we could have a verdict as early as next week.
More than four hundred Christian organizations have signed up to
an open letter opposing the government's Treaty Principles Bill, and
that's despite the government only promising to support it through
to Select Committee and no further. The group wants it gone.

Speaker 1 (01:56):
If we truly want to honor the Treaty, then that's
been undemic and that's just simply not true.

Speaker 5 (02:02):
There's nothing more democratic than on.

Speaker 6 (02:04):
In your agreement.

Speaker 2 (02:06):
David Seymour says the churches are not a moral compass,
and you'd have to say, after the release of that
faith based Abuse and Care report, he'd be onto something there,
wouldn't he. Wednesday is d Day for KRMLA Harrison Donald
Trump as they go here to head in their first
presidential bait debate on ABC. It's Trump's second, of course
for this campaign, after the Biden error or error. This

(02:29):
is a close race and will largely come down. I
reckon to turn out who can motivate their side to
get out and cast about it. Come November.

Speaker 1 (02:37):
Ryan Bridge you for twenty twenty four on early edition
with Smith City, New Zealand's furniture Beds and a playing store.

Speaker 2 (02:44):
News Talk Sa'd be eight minutes after five nine two
nine two is the number to text today. Big announcement
from iPhone do we still care about these? iPhone has
got their annual hardware events the iPhone sixteen if you
can believe it. They're promoting this as a glow up
for the iPhone. I'm not quite sure what it will
involve yet, but they reckon that we have pretty much

(03:06):
reached peak camera on the iPhone, that you get to
a certain point with a camera where human humans in
our eyes aren't capable of perceiving highest screen resolution. So
it's as good as it's going to get and as
good as it needs to get. So what else are
they going to focus on? Apparently it's all about AI,

(03:26):
the new one Apple Intelligence. They're calling it, not artificial intelligence,
so will What this will basically do, I'm reliably informed,
is use your personal information that you've got on your phone.
So you could say, iPhone, why is Sally in an
argument with Susan? And it will scan through your messages

(03:47):
and it will say, oh, well, they were fighting over
a boyfriend according to messages in your phone from twenty sixteen.
Is that you know? Is that useful information? I suppose probably?
Is it necessary?

Speaker 7 (04:00):
No?

Speaker 2 (04:01):
Is it worth the million dollars you will need to
spend on the new iPhone once it comes out and
is announced today? Certainly not to me. Brian Bridge ten
minutes after five. Also, interestingly, today there's a story about
wealth and how much money Elon Musk is going to
be worth. I know we spoke about Elon Musk on Friday,

(04:21):
but it's basically saying he will be the world's first trillionaire.
That's despite the ev market collapsing in X's band in Brazil.
He will be the world's first trillionaire. He's currently worth
just two hundred and fifty billion, dropping the bucket. How
quick can he get there? They reckon by twenty twenty
seven he'll be a trillionaire. His wealth is growing leaps

(04:45):
and bounds up one hundred and ten percent every year.
It's pretty incredible. And Zuckerberg loser, He's not going to
head it till twenty thirty. What's most interesting, though, is
it is the AI guys who are doing really well
and in video that AI chip making company, that guy

(05:05):
they reckon will be a trillionaire before Zuckerberg. And who
is he? You know, I didn't even bother saying his
name because I don't even know who he is. But
it's the AI. That's how we're making wealth into the future.
You know, the first two hundred the last two hundred years,
it was the industrial Revolution. Off we go making stuff
for the masses. Now it's just robots AI doing it

(05:29):
for us. Eleven after five, we're back shortly talking to
a pay who jobs and Andrew Ellison was sport will
go to.

Speaker 1 (05:43):
The first word on the news of the day. Early
edition with Ryan Bridge and Smith City, New Zealand's furniture
beds and a playing store, News Talk.

Speaker 2 (05:52):
D Ter five K, star of the British Prime Minister's
doing a lot of interviews over in the UK at
the moment BBC and Sky he's cut there. We've got
one of these too, the winter fuel payment winter energy
payment we call it here in New Zealand, and he's
cutting that to well off pensioners so only the poorest
will get it. It's obviously very unpopular with some.

Speaker 5 (06:12):
It's a tough decision, but I'm determined that we will
take the tough decisions.

Speaker 2 (06:15):
He's got a vote this week to get it through.
How many of his MPs will rebel? That's the question
everyone is asking there. Gavin Gray is with us out
of the UK just before, just after the news at
five point thirty this morning. Bridge Rich here though Windstone
POLP International is expected to make a decision today and
whether to indefinitely close two of its mills with more
than two hundred jobs on the line. The community affected

(06:38):
is it to pay? Who the mayor is? Western Curtain.
He's with us this morning, Western, Good morning, Yes, good morning,
thanks for being with me. What are you hearing about
what's going to happen.

Speaker 8 (06:48):
Well, my understanding and is ryan that there's been postponed
till tomorrow at three o'clock. Winston Media report yesterday, like
yesterday syndicated that they want to put it all an
extra day, So obviously something's happening in the background there
and that you know, obviously it's a big issue for
not only the community, but for their company as well.

(07:08):
So we'll wait with interest tomorrow.

Speaker 2 (07:10):
What conversations have you had with the government. Are you
hopeful that they will be able to help in some way?

Speaker 8 (07:17):
Yes, I am hopeful. I think there's been a genuine
interest in this throughout the government. I understand there are
about five ministers involved with the roundtable discussions with not
only Winston POLP, but other operators as well. And obviously
the energy companies have been heavily involved in how they
can help these sorts of businesses that are struggling at

(07:40):
times of the year where energy prices are spiked to
the point where they cannot function. And of course that's
sort of interest to not only the government, but the
whole country. So this is not just a local issue,
it's a nationwide issue and of course effects our overseas
trade as well.

Speaker 2 (07:58):
Is realistically western. There's nothing the government can do in
the short term for these jobs, is there really?

Speaker 8 (08:06):
I think so? I think so when you can consider,
of course, well, they can actually cap the electricity prices
as understand it, they can intervene, and particularly when they're
getting a nearly a billion dollars with a profit, and
half of that of course goes to the state owned enterprise,
which of courses New Zealand government. So you can't tell

(08:26):
me that they can take a profit to the tune
of the half a billion dollars and put that in
the pot and say, well, didn't we do well with
the energy pricing profits. It doesn't work that way.

Speaker 2 (08:37):
You've got to So you want western you're calling against
the me effort of pay. You're saying you want to
cap on wholesale electricity prices for mills in your area.

Speaker 8 (08:47):
Yes, I would suggest that this is not new when
you look at other industries and other situations like ty
Point for example, they were bailed out earlier and cap
the price to allow them to fund. The detail of that,
I haven't got that. But nevertheless, government have a stake
in this and the stakes are do we forego a

(09:09):
lot of small businesses not small actually they are investors
from overseas Malaysia for example, coming into our country investing
into this sort of product that allows us to get
export trade. And of course everyone has a stakeholding in that.
And I would suggest that the government have a president
there that they can actually cap ultrasty prices to allow

(09:30):
it to get over the line until such time it
smooths it out. So if we can't do that as
a New Zealand government as in New Zealand Inc. Then
something's jurassically wrong with our mechanism of actually trading long term.
So this is a long term plan. This is something
that we need to address.

Speaker 2 (09:48):
All right, Weston, thank you very much for that. Updated
really appreciate That's Western Curtain. They Pahu District mayor who
says that that decision has been delayed from Winstone pop
about the more than two hundred jobs at the two
mills until tomorrow. But interested to see what you think
about that nine nine two the numbers of text capping
electricity wholesale rates for the likes of these two mills.

(10:10):
And yes there is a deal with t Y and
yes it does mean that, you know, they basically will
limit their output. But that's quite a different deal to
capping a wholesale interest, sorry, a wholesale electricity rate, isn't it?
Nine two nine two is the number to text eighteen
minutes after five news talks at Big.

Speaker 1 (10:30):
Get ahead of the headlines, Ryan Bridge, you for twenty
twenty four on early edition with Smith City new zeasand
furniture beds and a playing store News talks, it'd be
good morning.

Speaker 2 (10:41):
It's five twenty. All Can Transport put out a glowing
self review on Friday, which I had to mention to you.
They put out there and your report, and then also
a press release with that saying that all Can Transport
has delivered on eighteen of their nineteen statement of intent
targets for the year. So congratulations Can Transport. Everybody is
so delighted and we couldn't agree with you more. The

(11:03):
one and this is the real interesting part. The one
target they didn't meet was listening and responding to Aucklander's
twenty one minutes after five, Andrew Ellison's head was for
good morning.

Speaker 4 (11:18):
Greetings, Ryan. Nothing like self praise, No praise, is it?

Speaker 1 (11:20):
You know?

Speaker 2 (11:21):
Hey? The all but Can we start with the All
Blacks the lost, How are we feeling? And how did
you think Razor did with the press afterwards?

Speaker 4 (11:29):
Oh look, I'm always yeah, welcome to Razors generally pre open, etc.
I think he's probably feeling some pressure. You know, seven
games in, he's got seven games going his opening season,
He's four wins, three losses. I think that's an aw
position to be. Although the South African team is one
of the best South African teams, I think the history

(11:50):
has seen and the World champions for a reason.

Speaker 2 (11:55):
I had, I must have.

Speaker 4 (11:56):
I was a bit nervous earlier in the week and
I thought it's skeptical because when you see them relaxing
like Russi Arrasthmus did in the build up, laughing away,
et cetera, didn't suggest that they are under a great
deal of pressure. And I think New Zealand and the
All Blacks have a lot of work to do to
earn that parody. They're are far away in the eighteen
twelve and I guess you have the penalty from McKenzie

(12:18):
that's not going to win the game, given they still
scored after that. South Africa, But I think, yes, it's
it's face shaping up to be a real challenge for
that New Zealand team to go from there, and if
they win them letters lay Cup, you retain that for
another year and then they go on to succeed on
the end of year tour. I think that will get
back some confidence at least for the New Zealand side,

(12:39):
but it'll still be, as they say, the rock under
the beach towel at the end of the season.

Speaker 2 (12:45):
Absolutely the Paralympics. Overnight we've had bronze from Peter Cowen
and the two hundred meter canoe sprint we.

Speaker 4 (12:52):
Have and that's wrapped the campaign for New Zealand. I
think fifty first on the medal table, not that that
really matters a great deal here, I mean star of
the show and Grimaldi with the turing meter victory, not
winning in I guess favorite event, the long jump, but
going on to deliver and getting his lit on that
gold medal for silver and four bronze as well to

(13:12):
go with that. I think what I take from those games,
I ryan is just some of the moments you see
people the achievement overcoming adversity. For me, I mean just
you know, a guy holding a table tennis bat in
his in his mouth and you know, and actually playing
ping pong in that regard. And you know, a seventeen
year old Indian girl with the putting the arrow into

(13:34):
her bow with her foot. I saw that, you know,
holding it in her mouth, and I'm thinking, man, that
is just some serious commitment. That's you know, just perseverance
and overcoming adversities. Saying that, those are the stories that
I enjoy about the Paralympic Games.

Speaker 2 (13:49):
The US Men's tennis finals starts as the US Open
starts in well half an hour.

Speaker 4 (13:54):
Yeah, you'll be able to turn in after your shift,
you know, just Yarlick center of against Taylor Fritz to
complete the US Open campaign for me and for women.
But yes, Sin looking to I guess back up from
his Australian Open victory earlier on the year, Fritz into
his first Grand Slam final. But I think also for Sinner,
I mean obviously has been that pressure on him over

(14:15):
those drugs tests and the failure of those union of
course he got the dispensation as a result of that,
so there's been pressure on him throughout. So whether he
can deliver and then get a second Grand Slam will
wait and see is the number one in the world.

Speaker 2 (14:27):
Brilliant. Thank you so much for the Andrew good to
see as always Andrew Ordison as Zidb's sport. Just gone
twenty four minutes after five the.

Speaker 1 (14:34):
Early edition Full the Show podcast on iHeartRadio Power by
News Talks.

Speaker 2 (14:39):
AV twenty six after five News Talks There'd be interesting,
op ed. This is from the Conversation Chris Gledhill, the
professor of Law at Auckland University of Technology, and op
ed about the government's new gang legislation. It argues that
the changes that are being made in some last minute
ones couldn't pinge on the Bill of Rights, and it
makes some good points. It also says that people join

(15:01):
gangs for various reasons. For some it is a matter
of family connections. For others, gang membership may arise from
being marginalized from society. The Royal Commission on Abuse and
Care highlighted that abuse was also a pathway into gang membership,
and in twenty eighteen a report highlighted that imprisonment feeds
gang recruitment. So you don't have a choice if you

(15:24):
are poor, if you have family in a gang, if
you went to jail and they recruited you in jail.
That's on society, not on you. You don't have a
choice in the matter. It's a crucial part of the
puzzle because it sets up the entire system of response
to dealing with the problem. Right, if you're not responsible
or capable of saying no to a gang life, how

(15:47):
can you be punished for that? Association? Is the expectation
that if you join a gang, and you've been raised
in a household that is associated with a gang, that
you are impoverished, that you don't know what is right
and what is wrong, and if so, how can you
be punished? You know? Nine two the number to text.

(16:11):
I interviewed a guy called Puck out of the Hawks Bay.
He was with the Mongol mob. This is years ago,
and he was done for a homicide and spent time
in prison, but then turned his life around, had a
positive role model, and he knew what he had done
was wrong. I sat down with him for a good
couple of hours, had a good chat. He knew what
he had done was wrong and was remorseful and really

(16:34):
sorry and wanted to apologize to the people that he
had heard. And then I found out about a year
later back in jail, he had turned his life around.
In fact, the then Prime Minister Cindra Donad use him
as an example of somebody who could turn their life
around with a positive role model, etc. Anyway, he then

(16:54):
did some horrendous domestic violence stuff, dealing meth in prison.
I mean, you name it. So there's a guy who
I know knows what he did was wrong, you know,
and he had bad influences growing up all of this.
Knows what he did was wrong, but did it anyway.
Twenty nine minutes after five News Talk said b Ryan Bridge,

(17:15):
We're going to get to Gavin Gray after the five
thirty news and we're also talking about our homicide rate
with John Munroe, criminal defense lawyer. That is just before six.

Speaker 1 (17:41):
On your radio and online on iHeartRadio Early edition with
Ryan Bridge and Smith City, New Zealand's furniture Beds and
a playing store.

Speaker 2 (17:50):
News Talk said, be good morning. It is twenty four
away from six year on news Talks. It'd be great
to have you with me this Monday morning. Lots to

(18:11):
come Andrew Alison out of the UK. And should we
be worried about eleven homicides in the space of a month,
Probably not as the short answer, but we'll ask why. Interesting.
We'll get to also Venezuela because the opposition leader has fled,
he's gone to Spain. We'll find out why and what
exactly is going on there. I mean, the reason's pretty obvious.
Under Maduro in Venezuela not a place you want to

(18:34):
be if you're an opposition politician. I would have thought
the demise of them more. Why did we did we?
You know, obviously killed it, off, ate it whatever, But
really its new report out this morning says it had
little hope because they mated infrequently, reproduced infrequently, and matured

(18:56):
quite late in life. So any small harvesting of them
was basically the death now never stood a chance to
more never stood a chance. And they even had areas
in New Zealand like we do with conservation areas today,
large waves of the country where they weren't hunted and
poached and whatnot. Still wasn't enough for the big moa,

(19:20):
who obviously didn't have much of a sex drive. Was
there big problem? I think? Twenty two away from six
Bryan Bridge going to our reporters around the country. Color
Proctor is in Dunedin this morning. Calum the vegetation fire
that's been going. They're being handed back the site back
to landowners. Your morning, Ryan.

Speaker 7 (19:39):
This is eight hundred hectares of Whiteitucky farmland, tussck and
scrub that burned over the weekend. It started Friday, you'll
remember before. It was contained late yesterday. In fact, it's
been monitored overnight and will be reassessed this morning. Seven crews,
six helicopters of fixed wing aircraft used at the peak
of displaze. A fine emergency. I hope to hand over

(20:00):
the property back around lunchtime. Incident Commander Bobby Lamonts has
compared to previous fire seasons, thus seeing some early fire starts,
which isn't surprising given the dry winter that Otago's had.

Speaker 2 (20:12):
It is early, isn't it. Hey weather today speaking of
Cullum yet few.

Speaker 7 (20:16):
Spots of lake rain this afternoon for Dneeda and strong
northerly today in eighteen Thank you.

Speaker 2 (20:21):
Claire Sherwood is in christ just this morning. Clear farming
of the edges of nature reserves good or bad bad.

Speaker 9 (20:29):
According to the study by scientists sat Monarchi Fenoua, which
is Land Care Research. Ryan, They've found that a spillover
of nutrients and water from these farming areas or intensive
agriculture is actually facilitating exotic plant invasions in our native reserves.
The authors of this study say the ongoing effects of
more intensive land use adjacent to reserves could be better

(20:52):
managed with the use of buffers, but that is a
problem in smaller reserves which are too small to do
that on. They also say that while this study specific
looked at the Canterbury Plains, there are lessons for the
likes of Mackenzie Basin, which has large areas of dry
land indigenous vegetation that are also at risk from irrigation.

Speaker 2 (21:11):
And how's your weather today?

Speaker 9 (21:12):
Clear mainly find a bit of high cloud at time.
Northerly's strong and the high will be eighteen.

Speaker 2 (21:17):
Thank you, you have a good day. And Max is
in Wellington for us this morning. Max. First they came
for the toast, now they're coming for expectant mums rooms.

Speaker 6 (21:27):
Not a good time for pregnant women in Wellington. The
Regional Hospital has some leaky pipes, a little unsurprising symptomatic
of the capitol. It means some birthing rooms will be
temporarily closed to replace these copper pipes. Leaving pregnant women
having to share their share rooms having their labor induced
next to one another. A good story in the Herald

(21:49):
this morning, which cites a letter from Health and Z
warning expectant mums in the region this will be the
case the birthing sweet and the maternity ward expected to
be disrupted for about a year, so you're going to
have trades people drilling clanging around from time to time.
Health and Z though, assuring people that these trades people
are used to working in the hospital and they will

(22:10):
be sensitive to the needs of patience.

Speaker 2 (22:13):
Goodness me, it sounds like an absolute nightmare. Poor things
right weather today, Max?

Speaker 6 (22:19):
Should we mainly fine? Strong norwesterlies fifteen the high Central.

Speaker 2 (22:22):
Thank you have a good day, Neva's and Auckland, Hey, Neva,
good morning. Whenever they say birthing sweet, I imagine, you know,
luxury towels and smellies in the room and just not
like that. No, definitely not in Wellington anyway. I just
love Mex. Not a good time to be pregnant in
Wellington at the moment, but.

Speaker 5 (22:43):
He says it, so yeah, it's funny.

Speaker 2 (22:47):
And Auckland, though, we have the restoration of a much
loved sign is.

Speaker 5 (22:51):
Do you know the sign you would have seen at Penmure.
So what's happened is that a local Auckland board now
it's brought in a consultant. This is to help with
the restoration of a much loved sign. So this is
the fifteen meter tall pan Meua sign in Auckland's east
and it was taken down. It's that teal colored never sign.

Speaker 2 (23:09):
Have you not?

Speaker 3 (23:09):
Oh?

Speaker 5 (23:10):
Oh you have not loved? Well, look it was taken
down in twenty nineteen. That's probably maybe why you didn't
see it because it was part of road refurbishments. But
the mungakik Tamaki Local Board says that Auckland Transport gave
the board two hundred and fifty thousand. Now this was
to determine the future of the sign. Board chair Maria
Mirita says that the money has decided what to do
with the sign, but it's not going to cover the construction.

(23:33):
So but everybody knows that sign. It's it's very retro.

Speaker 2 (23:37):
I'm looking at it's like something out of Vegas. It's
a tall fifteen meter high Hi.

Speaker 5 (23:42):
Yes, I I think the last time I was in
pen mewa must have been in twenty eighteen because the sign.
I saw the sign and then we were talking about
it and they said, well, the sign came down in
twenty nineteen. I thought, well that would have been the
last time.

Speaker 2 (23:53):
But where if they put the sign net?

Speaker 5 (23:55):
Well, it's just kind of just yeah, they've taken it
down because it was round and roundabout. So now they've
done all the roadworks.

Speaker 2 (24:01):
And it's so it's resting somewhere.

Speaker 5 (24:03):
And it's resting somewhere.

Speaker 2 (24:04):
Because you said they need to construct it. I mean
it's already constructed, doesn't it Just put it back up just.

Speaker 5 (24:08):
Well, I mean, you know, depend how many bolts need
to be put on there.

Speaker 2 (24:12):
We don't want another pylon. We don't want another pylon
incident to be Thanks oh weather today, need fine.

Speaker 5 (24:18):
I have seventeen here in Auckland spring.

Speaker 2 (24:21):
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Scuffles and skirmishers between police and protesters in Glasgow, Gevin
Gray's how you can Europe correspondent Gevin what's going.

Speaker 10 (25:32):
On following those rides that we've been reporting on following
the stabbings in Northwest England? But it would appear that
I'm afraid. In Glasgow, Scotland, more anti racism protesters meeted
and greeted more anti immigration demonstrators in what became a

(25:52):
pretty tense standoff trying to keep those two groups separated.
Police briefly drew their batons and shouted at the protesters
to get away, with two people arrested during the protests,
but there were pretty unpleasant scenes in and around George Square.
So what happened was two to three thousand people joined
an anti racism rally, but about three hundred and fifty

(26:15):
people were at a rival demonstration calling on the government
to get much tougher on those coming across illegally on
the small boats. And then a group of mass men
believe to be a sort of ultra group of Celtic
football fans, a so called Green Brigade, had to be
contained in a corner of the square as they believed
they were sort of coming up behind the anti racism group.

(26:38):
But at one point a man brandishing what appeared to
be two sticks, rushing towards the square was grabbed by
police and bundled into the back of a van. With
the barriers trying to keep the two groups of demonstrators
apart at one point being overwhelmed. But anyway, police I
think would be pretty keen that it passed off reasonably peacefully.

Speaker 2 (26:57):
Yeah, sounds like I remember Gonzales, the Venezuela and opposition
leader presidential candidate.

Speaker 10 (27:02):
He has fled to Spain, Yes, and that is because
a Spanish air Force plane carrying him landed in an
airbase in Madrid. He's going to be granted political asylum there.
He's been hiding in Venezuela because there's been a warrant
for his arrest issued. After the opposition disputed the presidential
election result back in July that saw the incumbent Nicolas

(27:25):
Maduro handed a third term. There are thoughts that he,
mister Nozales, felt for his life, frankly fed for his life,
and other opposition organizers are saying that the Maduro administration
has unleashed a brutal wave of repression following the election.
Now many people are questioning the election results, which Nicholas

(27:48):
Maduro said that he won easily, but some are saying, look,
we'll publish the voting tallies. There's international pressure for him
to do that. They simply do not believe the scores
that have come out of these votes, and countries including
the US, the European Union, the majority of foreign governors
refusing to accept Nicholas Maduro as a winner without Caracas

(28:10):
releasing that voting data.

Speaker 2 (28:12):
Gavin, thank you for that, Kevin Gray are UK europe
correspond interestingly, a lot of people questioning that result, of course,
when you've got a dictator like Maduro in charge. But
the Venezuelans I think will vote with their feet, more
of them. So in the past ten years, the JDP
in Venezuela has dropped eighty percent in just ten years,
and seven million people have immigrated out of there. This

(28:34):
is a country of just twenty eight million people. So
you'd have to say, with more problems and the opposition
leader having to flee, more of them will do the same.
And then what does that create border issues for the US.
I'm sure something that will be discussed in the debate
that is coming with Harris and Trump. On Wednesday ten
to six, Bryan Bridge, there's been eleven homicides in New

(28:58):
Zealand just over a month and people are free kicking
out a little bit, at least some in the media are.
I suppose the latest was on Saturday night when a
man was dropped off at Kaitaia Hospital with serious injuries,
later dying as a result. The annual police homicide report
released in June says New Zealand averages seventy two deaths
by homicide per year. John Munroe is a criminal defense lawyer.

(29:18):
He's with us this morning, John, Good morning, Good morning man.
Just a spike, random, nothing to worry about.

Speaker 3 (29:26):
Well, it's look, it could be. Who knows that, it
does seem at the moment, especially to be reading the
media and seeing a lot of homicides taking place more
recently than normal.

Speaker 8 (29:39):
Who knows what it is from.

Speaker 3 (29:40):
But a good criminologist would say there's many, many reasons
for spikes and homicides.

Speaker 2 (29:47):
I guess you can't you look at a trend, right,
You have to look at a trend if you're looking
at policies and things around it. In the short term, though,
for police having such a large case load, did they
have the you know, are they probably resourced to be
able to look into all of those things?

Speaker 3 (30:04):
Well, I'm sure they're stretched, but but I suppose the
promising thing is that we have a very very good
police force. They're very well equipped, they're good police, they're
they're they're competent, and certainly from from practicing in myself
in other areas of the of the world, New Zealand
would have to be rating it among once one of

(30:25):
the better ones in the in the world in the
criminal justice system as well.

Speaker 2 (30:30):
Do you think people should be worried when they see
spikes like this? I mean, people inevitably do, but the
reality is you're you're most likely to be killed by
somebody that you that you know, right, it's not randoms
going out killing randoms.

Speaker 8 (30:44):
That's right.

Speaker 3 (30:45):
It's it's it's very raally some sort of cross fire
or machine gun fire, pet someone getting the public getting
hit in the street. It's very very rare to see
that sort of thing happen. So, you know, generally speaking,
like you say, the publica are still safe.

Speaker 2 (31:02):
You said you'd worked in the UK before. Do we
have like in terms of international comparisons, we do quite well.
Not that it's something you do well at obviously, but
we have what I should says, we have a relatively
low homicide rate here, don't we.

Speaker 3 (31:17):
Yes, we do, we do, compare to I've worked in
the UK, but I haven't worked in the US. But
if you look at the US, you know that's catastrophic.
And we have a really good system of justice as well.
So we have a good system of police catching people,
and we have a really good system of justice and
dealing with people as well. So I think overall, even

(31:37):
though I can't put a positive spin on it, at
least we have those good systems in place.

Speaker 2 (31:42):
Thanks so much for that. John John Munroe, criminal defense lawyer,
eight minutes away from six ran Bridge. So we had
seventy two homicides in a year that was last year,
and only a third of those are murders, So that's
somebody you know, intentionally going out and killing. So that's
about twenty four murders in New Zealand over a year.

(32:03):
And then you think about of those it was potentially
gang related or people who knew someone. Domestic violence is
sadly another terrible blight on these numbers. But you start
to whittle it down and you say, do I need
to be Do I really need to be worried about
being murdered in New Zealand? You know, by a random
on the street. Probably not News and Views you trust

(32:25):
to start your day is early edition with Ryan Bridge
and Smith City, New Zealand's furniture beds and a playing store.
News Talk SIBB. It has just gone five minutes away
from six year old news talk, said B. Mike Costking
is here with you next. Good morning, Mike, Good morning.

Speaker 11 (32:40):
We'll have the traditional post game analysis of the All Blacks.
And you're talking about bangsting about crime, whether we're do
you think we still do in this country?

Speaker 2 (32:50):
Remember you'd go back.

Speaker 11 (32:51):
I don't know what would you go about twenty years
and the Monday morning conversation after an All Black loss.
Far less a couple of losses, there would be a
real fish small around the office, water cooler, coffee.

Speaker 2 (33:03):
Miss wouldn't there? There'll be there.

Speaker 11 (33:04):
I just don't know if there is anymore.

Speaker 2 (33:06):
No, A lot of people are watching I don't know
UFC or basketball or a whole bunch of other stuff,
aren't they It's doesn't.

Speaker 11 (33:12):
I just wonder it hasn't not the same group that
it once did.

Speaker 2 (33:15):
But I was thinking at the weekend, actually, where as
a society don't have the same grip on a lot
of things because we're all watching different.

Speaker 11 (33:21):
Things now, we're so so segregated. The general conversation of
the things that we sort of all collectively did together
hasn't happened for years. I'm just I'm just not sure
how worried we are about the all blacks. But nevertheless,
if you saw the Australian so the gz use how
useless today incredible?

Speaker 2 (33:38):
So we should win the bleaderslow cups. Well we will
win the blue to slow cups.

Speaker 11 (33:41):
So that's something, doesn't it?

Speaker 2 (33:42):
So?

Speaker 11 (33:42):
Anyway, Ian Jones as whether it's on that another matters
after seven o'clock and look.

Speaker 2 (33:47):
Forward to it. It is coming up to six. Thank
you for listening everybody. I will see you tomorrow. Have
a great day.

Speaker 11 (34:01):
Is it that sweet light your souce?

Speaker 4 (34:05):
What's that bees for?

Speaker 7 (34:06):
So?

Speaker 1 (34:08):
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