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February 12, 2025 • 34 mins

On the Early Edition Full Show Podcast for Thursday 13th February 2025, The fishing industry is welcoming a proposed major shake up of the Fisheries Act. 

Local media may soon be on a more level playing field with proposed changes suggesting global streamers could be required to invest in local kiwi content, NZ's Screen Producers guild President Irene Gardiner told Francesca Rudkin the industry has been lobbying for the change for some time. 

McDonalds isn't coming to Wanaka after all, would it have ever been accepted? Francesca shares her thoughts. 

Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth appeared at his first meeting of the Ukraine Defense Contact Group on Wednesday to tell allies that the liberation of all Russian-occupied Ukrainian territory "is an unrealistic objective." US Correspondent Mitch Mccann shares the latest. 

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Speaker 1 (00:02):
The issues, the interviews, and the inside Early with one
roof make your property search simple, News.

Speaker 2 (00:11):
Dogs b Good morning, Welcome to Early Edition. I'm Francisco
Budkin filling in for Andrew Dickens this morning. Good to
have you with us. You're most welcome to contact me
anytime this morning. You can text on ninety two ninety two,
or you can flict me an email at Francesca at
newstalg ZDB dot co dot NZ. On the show today,
should global streamers like Netflix, Apple and Disney be required

(00:31):
to invest in local Keywi content? We look at the
updated rental market guidelines around what information landlords can and
can't ask for, and before the end of the hour,
we talked to Keith Morrison, new Plymouth fishermen and owner
of Egmont Seafoods about the impact proposed changes to the
Fisheries Act will have on the industry.

Speaker 1 (00:52):
The agenda.

Speaker 2 (00:53):
It's Thursday, the thirteenth of February. The Israel Hamas sistar
is still hanging on by a thread. Israeli priman Benjamin
Netanyahu has reiterated the Saturday deadline for Hamas to release
the hostages, which the militant group has threatened to delay.

Speaker 3 (01:10):
If Hamas does not return our hostages by Saturday noon,
the ceasefire will end and the military will return to
intense fighting until Hamas is finally defeated.

Speaker 2 (01:21):
Meanwhile, US Defense Secretary Pete Seth has appeared at his
first meeting of the Ukraine Defense Contact Group. He told
allies the war between Ukraine and Russia must end and
that Kiev joining NATO is unrealistic.

Speaker 3 (01:35):
We must start by recognizing that returning to Ukraine's pre
twenty fourteen borders is an unrealistic objective. Chasing this illusionary
goal will only prolong the war and cause more suffering.

Speaker 2 (01:49):
Across the ditch. The male nurse who made threats against
Israeli patients and a viral social media video claims the
incident was a joke and a misunderstanding. The man and woman,
both employees at Sydney Hill Hospital, have been suspended for
the video, which appeared to show them threatening to kill
Israeli patients and boasting about refusing to treat them.

Speaker 4 (02:07):
My client sends a very sincere apology to not only
that individual, but to the Jewish community.

Speaker 2 (02:14):
And finally, Elon Musk once again has denied a hostile
takeover of the US government and defended his cost cutting plans.
Donald Trump signed an order giving Musk's Department of Government
Efficiency more authority to cut the federal workforce. The two
took questions from reporters in the Oval Office.

Speaker 5 (02:31):
We have this unelected, fourth unconstitutional branch of government, which
is the bureaucracy, which has in a lot of ways
currently more power than any elected representatives. And this is uh,
there's not something that people want.

Speaker 2 (02:46):
And that's their agenda.

Speaker 1 (02:48):
News and Views you trust to start your day's early
edition where one room, make your property search simple.

Speaker 2 (02:55):
News dogs in the nine past five now the government
is asking for fee back on five proposals aimed to
help local media go up against international competitors. This was
announced by the Minister for Media and Communications Paul Goldsmith yesterday.
One of their proposals involves streaming services and the requirement
for them to invest in New Zealand content and SPARTA

(03:17):
President Iron Gardner will be with us in just a
moment to talk about this aspect of the overhaul. But
also on the agenda is the question of whether we
should merge the New Zealand Film Commission and New Zealand
on Air that this is not a new idea. It
has been floating around for a while now in Duncan
Grieve and the spinoff wrote a really detailed piece about
it mid last year. Those in the industry will have
an opinion on whether this is a good move or not,

(03:39):
but the one thing you can't deny is that this
is a good time to discuss it. Once upon a time,
New Zealand on Air, which funds TV shows, tallyfilms, stream shows,
some music podcasts, and the Film Commission, which funds, markets
and distributes New Zealand films and administers the screen production rebate.
They had quite different jobs and they worked within quite
different realms. But these days, with changes to the way

(04:01):
we watch TV and film, the dominance of streaming services,
the fact that we want New Zealand content that we
relate to, but we can also sell to a global market,
and that everyone seems to be handing out rebates of
some sort, it means that these two agencies are more
aligned with what they're trying to achieve. As Greve wrote,
as the remits of New Zealand on Air and the
Film Commission have broadened, so their work has become somewhat tangled.

(04:24):
So this is a good time to move the industry forward,
an industry which is really struggling. Align the interests, improve
media regulations in legislation, be ambitious. It's not going to
affect funding, but the time has come for big moves
and revitalization. It is ten past five. You're with early edition, the.

Speaker 1 (04:49):
News you need this morning and the in depth analysis
Early edition. Where's one roof make your property search simple
news talks that.

Speaker 2 (04:57):
Be thirteen past five. Now local media may soon be
on a more level playing field. Global streamers like Netflix,
Apple and Disney could be required to invest in local
key we content underproposed changes to the media sector. The
Screen Producers Guild has been lobbying for regulation of international
streamers for quite some time. In Sparta, President Irene Gardner

(05:18):
is with me this morning, as always, appreciate your time, Irene.

Speaker 6 (05:22):
Lovely to be here, Willie.

Speaker 7 (05:27):
It is.

Speaker 2 (05:27):
What are your thoughts on this? Will this be enough?

Speaker 6 (05:32):
Well, it's a really good start. The discuss that's a
lot of the discussion document is actually very very good.
It's it's quite detailed, quite considered, and it shows a
really good understanding of the local production sector and the
challenges that we're currently stacing, so that's great. We feel
kind of you know, listened to, which is always a

(05:53):
nice thing. And as you mentioned in your intro, we're
particularly pleased to see regulating the international streaming companies is
one of the proposals because we've been lobbying for that
foot for such a long time. But it's there's still
a lot of work to be done, you know, there's
different options, and that's the whole point of a discussion
document is that people now submit and we wouldok ut

(06:14):
the best way forward, but at least it's there. The
way they're talking about it is perhaps an investment on
a percentage of revenue that the streamers are making, and
the same sort of local quota amount would be put
on our local broadcasters if there's slight danger there. We

(06:36):
don't want to hurt the local bood casters who are
operating in the same amount of money, you know, and
that's part of our problems that we don't have the
revenue so much anymore because of the impact of the streamers,
So we'd have to make sure that the local part
of it was manageable and it wasn't hurting anybody, So
that wasn't unintended consequences, but you know that's the sort

(06:57):
of stuff that can all be worked through. We actually
proposed for a levee system where they just paid a
percentage of their New Zealand revenue and that was invested
back into local production, which may maybe a better system
might be fairer, harder to work around a.

Speaker 2 (07:14):
Little bit that's and simpler maybe to ring.

Speaker 6 (07:18):
Yeah, but you know, we're open to anything that helps
the level the playing field because you know, it really
has been incredibly tough as the streamers have kind of
got a string or hold over audiences and therefore, you know,
affected the ad revenue that local dictions always relied on.
So it's it's a present start. Well that's a good
little way to go.

Speaker 2 (07:38):
Yeah, I mean that's the question. Isn't it as New
Zealand showing up too late on this?

Speaker 6 (07:43):
Well, ideally it should have happened years ago, and you know,
we wouldn't have gotten to the problem we're in now.
We're advertising revenue is completely fell off a cliff this
past year and everything is really tough, but it's never
too late, So yeah, let's just really push and hope
that it happened because they you know, I mean, we

(08:03):
love the streamers. They've been wonderful content here sometimes they
shoot shows here, but you know, they haven't invested in
local at all and they've taken our eyeballs and our
ad rev and so they kind of should be part
of the solution because it's them that's the great things,
and anything any regulation in this area that helps them
all the plainfield will be very very welcome.

Speaker 2 (08:25):
Irene Have the streamers have faced regulation in other countries.

Speaker 6 (08:32):
Starting too, Starting to Yes, there's quite a few countries
that are much further out of the block than US.
A lot, particularly European Scandinavian territories. They seem to have
all been very good at getting things happening. Australia has
been pushing and pushing and pushing, but still haven't quite
got there. And you know, what there are thought is
quite similar to what's been posed in the document, which

(08:56):
is a percentage of their Australian revenue you know, invested
into local content. So you know, maybe we'll do something
that's quite similar. And you know, being too, territories quite connected,
but internationally there's levees usually around about sort of five
six percent on their local revenue and there's also sort

(09:21):
of hybrids, you know, where you pay the levy, but
you know you can also make local content instead and
get your levee amount reduced. So there's different ways of
looking at it. And you know, to be fair, this
is a discussion document and it's just put it out,
but it's put streamers regulating in there, put a you know,
a proposed perhaps preferred way of doing it. But it's

(09:44):
also said that they're open to looking at different ways.
So you know, SPARTA and others can come back on
that and say, well, hey, you know, this might work.
It might be that what the reporter is down has
gone for what is most palatable, you know what, because
obviously the to big companies and they do push back
when regulation has tried. They might be thinking that this

(10:05):
is more palatable than a straight levy. I think the
tricky thing was something like this is you can maybe
sort of sneak around it and ways like you can
just buy a whole lot of local continent instead of
investing in making some or you can make one incredibly
expensive local production and that kind of only helps one area.

(10:26):
But you know, all of the splu worked out.

Speaker 2 (10:29):
As you say, a discussion document lots to talk about
Iron Garden. Always appreciate your time. At is eighteen past five.
Up next, the Privacy Commissioner is wanting about the importance
of privacy when securing a flat. What can and can't
landlords ask?

Speaker 1 (10:44):
The first word on the news of the day earlier
edition with one roof will make your property surge?

Speaker 2 (10:50):
Simple news talks that'd be With early addition, it's twenty
past five. The Privacy Commissioner is wanting the hunter land
a flat should not come at the expense of privacy.
He's updated rental market guidelines around what information landlords can
and can't ask for. They can ask for names, proof
of identity, and legal residency status, but they can't ask
for things like bank statements, employment status, religious beliefs, or

(11:14):
social media URLs. Serena Gibbon is general manager of Auckland's
Property Investor Association, and she joins me, Now, good morning.

Speaker 8 (11:22):
Good morning, Francesca.

Speaker 2 (11:23):
Thanks for having me this conversation. We've had this, haven't
we happened back in twenty twenty one? So are we
still seeing landlords asking for information they shouldn't?

Speaker 9 (11:34):
No, we're not.

Speaker 8 (11:35):
We're not seeing on a wholesale scale that landlord's asking
for information that they shouldn't be. And look, Francesca, I
think before anyone jumps on like a sealem which hunts
against landlords and property managers, I will say this, I've
read the Commissioner's press release and the language in there
is very speculative and sort of more of PFA warning

(11:56):
in nature. And you know he's using words like could
to me. You know, he's certainly not saying that there's
a horde of landlords out there collecting information they shouldn't.
This is simply a reminder to the industry that, given
the summer months and students are going back to school
now and looking for flats, that everyone in the rental
sector should be very aware of their rights and obligations.

Speaker 2 (12:19):
Serena, is there room for misinterpretation within rental roles or
are they pretty clear?

Speaker 8 (12:25):
The rules are pretty clear. I think the one thing
I would say, because I've worked worth the Procy Commissioners
Office in the past to create the last iteration of
the guidance and the current one is in a big
departure from it, I would say, you know, with all
due respect, it would be helpful instead of producing two

(12:46):
separate documents, one targeting landlords and a separate one targeting tenant.
If you look at both documents side by side, the
language and the approach are very different, and that could
end up setting different expectations for the two parties engaging
in residential tendency. So really, you know, what might have

(13:09):
been more helpful is for there to be one uniform
document that both landlords and tenants can consult on and
guidance on. One of the examples I can give you
is in the landlord document. The language is very specific
around the taking of photographs during property inspections, and it

(13:30):
maps out in there are certain exceptions where landlords certain
exceptional instances where landlords can take images of personal items,
such as if they believe that these personal items are
points to a lawful act or breach of the tendency
agreement or tendency law, but none of that is mentioned
in the tenants guidance documents. Tens. The guidance documents simply

(13:53):
says that landlords can be too intrusive in a way
they take photographs during inspection. So I'm sure you can
see there, you know, with different languages, different guidances, it
lands everyone at a very different strike to point and
when it comes to taking photographs and that could create
some very complex disputes at the end of the line.

Speaker 2 (14:13):
Thank you so much, Serena for talking us through that.
It was Serena Gibbons, general manager of Auckland's Property Investor Association.
It's twenty four past five the Early Edition.

Speaker 1 (14:22):
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Speaker 2 (14:27):
Twenty six past five. Y're with early edition. While there
is a Dominos in a subway, but there will be
no McDonald's in Wonica, at least at the currently proposed site. Yesterday,
commissioners declined to grant consent from McDonald's restaurant, largely due
to the location. So the proposed location was at the
edge of town where urban meets rural living. It's regarded
as outside the urban growth boundary for Wonaca, at one

(14:49):
of the town's entrances, directly underneath the magnificent amount iron.
The McDonald's was deemed to be at odds with rural living,
the design of the building and surroundings not consistent with
the landscape values of the site in its wider context.
Commissioners considered reports and findings about the architecture noise, traffic
and future planning. Queenstown Lakes District Council opened the proposal

(15:12):
for public submissions. Are there About three hundred and sixty
seven may to t One hundred and forty were very
much opposed to the development. Twenty one supported it. While
there were some who would have liked the opportunity for
a big Mac for dinner, many locals thought it would
increase traffic, drink driving, litter, take business away from existing
local businesses, stand out like a saw thumb, and have
a visual anesthetic impact on the town. Their issue was

(15:37):
was this rarely a fitting gateway for a town all
about healthy living and environment, yoga and well being, ditching
disposable coffee cups and slashing waste or has the horse
already bolted when it comes to Wanaka's image and culture.
The town's population has increased from ten thousand to eighteen
thousand and a decade. It's surrounded in subdivision development, and

(15:57):
then there's the Three Parks development not too far down
the road from the proposed McDonald's site, which is home
to a might attend Mega, a warehouse and numerous other outlets.
Last night, Queenstown District Deputy Mayor Quenen Smith told Andrew
Dickens on news talks he'd be that proposed setting and
McDonald's wasn't a good fit.

Speaker 9 (16:15):
It may be parts of town where this activity might
be appropriate, and if this was within a commercial within
the town center or within a commercial zone within the town,
I there say, there's very little that anybody could do
to stop that.

Speaker 2 (16:30):
So did McDonald's just get it wrong? Did they not
read the room being tucked away in the Three Parks
development or the center of town might have made it
easy to gain consent, But would even that have been
acceptable for locals? I say, good on the folks of Wanica.
Who doesn't love a David and Goliath battle? There apparently
over forty one thousand McDonald's in the world. There's one
about an hour away from Wanicah. Does another small town

(16:52):
need a golden arch? I personally love rolling into New
Zealand town's, exploring what's on offer, finding the best homemade pie,
shout out to Miles better pies in Tiano, and having
a chat with locals. It's always good to get away
from the familiar. Tourists don't visit a stunning place like
Wanica because it has a McDonald. So it comes down
to the community. The community feel it doesn't reflect their

(17:14):
values for whatever reason, protecting the vista, their brand, local businesses,
or just plain old snobbery. And I say go for it,
fight the fight, just like the Magnificent I cold it
did zimb so as Wanakura being a little bit snobby.
Should locals and the visitors be able to make a
decision about whether they eat maccas or not. Love to

(17:35):
hear from you ninety two ninety two. Now a proposed
major shakeup of the Fisheries Act has been announced. We're
going to cover that before the end of the hour.
News is next here on early edition.

Speaker 1 (17:55):
Get ahead of the headlines on early edition. Where's one
roof your property?

Speaker 10 (18:00):
Search?

Speaker 1 (18:01):
Simple news talk zib my head was that when.

Speaker 9 (18:05):
You found me?

Speaker 2 (18:15):
Good morning. This is the early additional newstalks. I'm Francisco
Budkin filling in for Andrew today. Thank you for being
with us, and the next half hour head to the
US where Elon Musk is defending transparency around his government
costcusting initiatives, and Shane Jones has announced proposed changes to
the Fisheries Act that would see the loosening of catch
regulations and restrict who can access camera footage from fishing boats.

(18:37):
We get a fisherman's thoughts on this before the end
of the hour. Hey, thanks so much for your feedback.
And ninety two ninety two is the text. One reads.
I do not like McDonald's or businesses like them, but
I do defend their right to operate. The decision to
block them is unjust.

Speaker 8 (18:51):
Do you know what.

Speaker 2 (18:52):
I think they just got it wrong. I just think
they pitched the wrong place. It's the place that they
would prefer. But I think if they really wanted one
up and running in Wanaka, they should have just listened
to the community a little bit better and might have
had a bit more support. And other reads good on Wanica.
Mcmacus doesn't need to be everywhere in this country. Support
the businesses of a Wanaka. I say. We were talking

(19:12):
also about local content and been able to get streaming
services to pay a levy towards our industry. Francesca. The
local stuff has to be has to up its game
to stuff that people want to watch, much of it
as amateur. Do you know what? There are shows in
New Zealand, like the Broken Wood Mysteries that do incredibly

(19:33):
well overseas. They're hugely popular in the US and the
UK and France and Denmark and all around Europe and things.
We don't often hear about the success that we have
in selling some of these shows, and there's quite a
few of them Creamery, My Life is Murder, quite a
few of our reality shows as well, the Traders and
things that all get sold as well. So a lot
of this material is getting sold. We want it on
the streaming services and we want them to pay a little,

(19:56):
you know, to help uss out remain a robust industry. Hey,
thank you for your feedback. You can keep the text coming.
You can text on ninety two ninety two what z be.

Speaker 11 (20:09):
All right?

Speaker 2 (20:10):
And we head around the country now and joining me
and anedin is Callum Proctor. Good morning, Callum. There's going
to be no sign as we were just talking about
of the Golden Arches and Wonnica.

Speaker 4 (20:20):
That's right, they're a Gonburger, you could say. The Queen's
Sundlakes District Council yesterday's declining maca's resource application to set
up in Warnica. So that ends the controversy within the
town for now. Anyway, where locals strongly pushed back against
this planned restaurant, which was going to be set up

(20:41):
at the Mountain Iron round about, the big entrance to Wantakah,
and more than three hundred and sixty public submissions were made.
Only twenty one of those were in support, look many
saying it was more the location than a McDonald's restaurant
that they were opposing, Others citing concerns about food waste
and pollution McDonald's. They say that on our can considering the.

Speaker 2 (21:00):
Next steps and the weather today and eden Callum.

Speaker 4 (21:04):
Mostly cloudy, fine breaks this afternoon though light wins and
a high of twenty.

Speaker 2 (21:08):
Lovely good to hear Claire Sherwood is with us in
christ Church and so good news Claire. A lower than
forecast rates increases on the card for christ Church.

Speaker 12 (21:16):
That's why would you want to be anywhere? Our Sililk
City Councilors have adopted our draft to annual plan in
a fourteen to four vote. Now the initial proposed average
rates increase of eight point four eight percent has lowered
down to seven point five eight percent, although next year
is looking a bit groom. It's leaped to a forecast
ten point four Now. Deputy Mayor Pauline Cotter was one

(21:38):
who voted in Favy yesterday. She did, though express discomfort
at this looming hike for next year. She acknowledges it's
a good year to ease financial pressure for rate payers,
but hopes the economy will be better next year. She
does say that everyone wants to keep the increases low,
but the council also needs to be able to deliver
on services. Public consultation on this rise and the draft

(21:59):
annual plan in full will begin February twenty six. And
the weather today clear fine today, some light ones and
sea breezes and a high of twenty one.

Speaker 2 (22:08):
Thank you so much, and we're off to Wellington Max
Holes with us. Good morning, Good morning. So pedestrianizing the
central city is going to take a while.

Speaker 7 (22:17):
Yeah, this is the Golden Mile roading project to revamp
the backbone of the central city from Lampton Key to
Courtney Place. The mayor gave an announcement yesterday morning embargoed
until today for some reason, that that work is effectively
going to start in April, but it won't be on
the Golden Mile itself. Instead, eight months of construction work
just on an intersection at the top of Courtney Place

(22:40):
just so the Golden Mile can go ahead. It'll then
take two years of construction to fulfill a design that
was also unveiled yesterday morning, involving non slippery pavements, clearer
cycle and bus lanes, plants and foliage. It was not
announced though, that businesses are going to receive any tangible
financial support so they can survive through this period. They've

(23:00):
been crying out for help, somewhat akin to Auckland's targeted
hardship fund related to the City rail Link not to
be here. This is, of course Tory Fino's legacy project.
It's the only big thing left. We have a local
election in October and the timelines mean there's the very
real chance that work on the Golden Mile itself won't
have even started during her mayoralty.

Speaker 2 (23:22):
Max Wellington's weather today.

Speaker 7 (23:24):
Another lovely one. Fine Southerley's twenty three central.

Speaker 2 (23:27):
Thank you so much. Michael Sergle is with me in
the Auckland studio. Good morning, good morning, but have you
got for ustaing?

Speaker 9 (23:32):
Yeah.

Speaker 13 (23:32):
Car insurance premiums just keep getting more expensive. So we've
heard lots about home and contents insurance, but quote the
comprehensive car insurance on comparison website Quashed have written forty
one percent to two years quotes for home and contents
up thirty one percent. We're also seeing lots of variation
between providers, So take for example a twenty twenty Toyota
Corolla in Auckland. A comprehensive policy could range from anything

(23:56):
from nine sixty to seventeen ninety. That's almost a sort
of an ninety difference. Adjusting excess and so insured could
cut premiums by up to a third. Switching to third party,
fire and theft could cut premiums by almost two thirds.
And Quash says it's been getting lots of people investigating
cheaper options like reducing their coverage or switching to third partner.

Speaker 2 (24:16):
Yeah, you'd understand why you'd be doing that, wouldn't you?
Tell me about the weather and open today.

Speaker 13 (24:20):
Mainly find possible showers in the south and north this afternoon,
twenty sixth high.

Speaker 2 (24:24):
Lovely, Thank you so much, Michael. Next up, we are
off to the US. It is seventeen to six.

Speaker 1 (24:29):
International correspondence with Ends and Eye Insurance Peace of mind
for New Zealand business.

Speaker 2 (24:37):
Joining us now from the US is Mitch McCann.

Speaker 11 (24:40):
Good morning, Mitch, Good morning, Francesca, how are you.

Speaker 2 (24:43):
I'm very good. Thank you. So Elon Musk and President
Trump had an appearance in the Oval Office together and
Elon Musk was having to defend his transparency when it
comes to his government cost cutting initiative.

Speaker 11 (24:55):
Yeah, much has been made of Elon Musk's new role
in the White House. He's leading it's called the DOGE
Department or the Department of Government Efficiency. Essentially, his job
is to root out waste and find where money is
being spent where it shouldn't and get rid of those jobs,
get rid of people, find out what's going on. But
there's a lot of criticism about his job that it's

(25:17):
been done in secrecy. People don't know who he's hired,
what access he has to Americans financial data. And he
helped this press conference with Donald Trump yesterday at the
White House. It was kind of strange because it just
went on and on while while Elon Musk was trying
to wrangle his son, who eventually he put on his
shoulders and spoke to the press for about half an hour. Now,
he defended his job. He said that Donald Trump campaigned

(25:40):
on getting rid of government waste, and he said the
people voted for major reform, and that's what they're going
to get. He said, it's what democracy is all about.
He said he fully expects to be scrutinized. And Donald
Trump said that if there's any issues around a conflict
of interest because Elon Musk's companies get billions of dollars
from the government in grants, then Donald Trump will move

(26:00):
from away from whatever issue that is on to another
one to try and create this perceived transparency. But you know,
a lot of people here are confused about what Elon
Musk's actual role is and what he's doing in the
federal government.

Speaker 2 (26:15):
And just quickly match, the US announces its position on
the Ukraine.

Speaker 11 (26:19):
Yeah, that's right. Pete Higseth is the Defense secretary here
in the US. He's been at a meeting this morning
of other leaders around Europe to talk about Ukraine, and
he said this, we want, like you, a sovereign and
prosperous Ukraine, but we must start by recognizing that returning
to Ukraine's pre twenty fourteen borders is an unrealistic objective.

(26:40):
So really that is a new position or a new
position there from the United States, saying that getting back
to you know, full liberation Ukraine what it used to
be is not a realistic proposition. So that is new
from the White House and we're going to see if
Donald Trump's going to make any more comments on that
in the coming hours, which he possibly will.

Speaker 2 (26:57):
Mitch McCann, thank you very much for the update, Zibby.
It is at twelve to six. Now, the fishing industry
is welcoming a proposed major shakeup of the Fisheries Act.
It would see a loosening of catch regulations and restrict
who can access camera footage from fishing boats, meaning only

(27:18):
MPI and the courts would have access to the footage.
Keith Morson as a fisherman and owner of Eggmont Seafoods
in New Plymouth, and he joins me now thank you
for your time.

Speaker 14 (27:27):
Keith, good morning, Good morning, Francesca Hey, is this a
win for you? Look, this has been in the something
that the industry has been wanting to get addressed for
a long period of time. You know, they're quite a
management system has been in force now for nearly forty years,

(27:48):
but we've had a real change in technology on our vessels,
the amount of transparency that we have and you know,
there's a lot of technology that the fishermen are dealing
with these days, so the regulations of the Fisheries Act
needs to take into account the changes that we've had

(28:10):
within the industry. So you know, the changes that are
being recommended or that are being addressed in this discussion
paper are certainly things that we've been having to deal
with for a long period of time.

Speaker 2 (28:23):
Keith, the catching regulations are they holding you back?

Speaker 14 (28:28):
Look, it's really complex. The catching regulations that we're having
to deal with on a day to day basis make
it really difficult for the guys on the water and
also for the land based operators as well. So I
think this will simplify and make it easier for both

(28:48):
the harvesters on the water and the operators on land
to be able to get on and do their business.

Speaker 2 (28:55):
What do you think about anyone being able to access
footage from boats?

Speaker 14 (29:01):
Yeah, Look, I know that people want and there's certainly
been some bad press around the fresh fishing industry for
a long period of time, but we're in a really
heavily regulated environment and it's very transparent what we do
on a day to day basis. A lot of these
fishermen are out on the water for three, four or

(29:23):
five days at a time, living on those vessels. To
have footage of those operations available to the general public,
you know, I just don't think that that should necessarily,
you know, just just be as visible as people would
like it to be. You know, the regulators certainly have

(29:47):
access to that information, and they can see what fishermen
are doing, where they're doing it, how they're doing it,
and I just don't know that that's something that should
be available to the general public. It could be taken
out of context if they clip or take certain parts

(30:07):
of a fishing activity, and we've seen that play out
in the past sometimes with NGOs. So no, I don't
think that the footage that our fishermen are supplying is
necessarily something that should be in the public.

Speaker 9 (30:22):
Donay kaith, Can I.

Speaker 2 (30:24):
Just go back to catching regulations for a moment. Loosening
the catch regulations? Would that be quite area specific?

Speaker 14 (30:33):
Look, it's like I said, it's really complex. For example,
you have some fish species that have got minimum legal
sizes snapper, tero key. You've got other species that haven't
got minimum legal sizes. So if you have a small snapper,
you can return that to the seed. Legally, if you

(30:53):
have a small gernered, you're required to bring that back in,
so it's not necessarily a listening of the regulations. It's
just providing the ability for the fishermen to make some
decisions around what species they should be bringing in from

(31:13):
an economic point of view. But whilst they are harvested,
they are still going to be recording all of their
cats against quota, so there's not there their sustainability. So
it's just about simplifying their ability to operate and return

(31:33):
fist to the sea. If it has no real economic value,
there's no sense in bringing in small gerner that's just
going to end up in landfill. It's better off to
be returned to the sea and go back in the
food chain.

Speaker 2 (31:44):
Okay, thank you very much for your time in talking
us through that. That was Keith Morson. He's a fisherman
and owner of Eggmant Seafoods in New Plymouth. It is
seven to six on your.

Speaker 1 (31:53):
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Speaker 2 (32:00):
New Talk said be coming up at six am as
Mike Hosking on the Mike Hosking Breakfast and it joins me. Now,
good morning, greetings.

Speaker 10 (32:10):
Did I detect in your voice an element of interest
in the business of the media merger in your interview?

Speaker 1 (32:16):
Did I?

Speaker 2 (32:16):
Yes? So he talking about the film commission.

Speaker 10 (32:19):
Yes, here's your red flag. So as far as I
can work out, so merging New Zealand on air with
a film commission is like a stroke of a pen.
Anyone can do that, and that's you know, it might work,
it might be better off.

Speaker 2 (32:28):
We're not very good at media mergers in this.

Speaker 10 (32:30):
Game, no we're not. But having said that, if you
can do that as a government, that's my point being
that Paul Goldsmith, from my view, doesn't seem particularly interested
in his portfolio. There's a lot of concern in the
media about what's going on and what could happen and
might not happen and so on. He just doesn't seem
that interested. The moment you get involved with any stream
international and this goes back to things like the news

(32:51):
deal and then paying us money for the stories day,
all of that stuff. The moment you get involved in
those people, nothing, nothing happens, nothing changes, and it's never happened.
We're in the world. No one has successfully managed to
drag people to the table and say give me some
money because they don't need us. We're a tiny little
country at the bottom of the world.

Speaker 2 (33:09):
I wonder though, whether we can definitely just things need
to be revitalized. That that's the point. And you've got
the industry saying, actually, we've looked at this discussion document
that has been put out and they've listened to us.
They understand the concerns, they're addressing them. So actually the
industry themselves is pretty fantastic.

Speaker 10 (33:25):
Let them sit around and talk about it till they're.

Speaker 2 (33:26):
Bloom in the I think you're right.

Speaker 11 (33:28):
I think.

Speaker 2 (33:30):
Mister Gosmith is very much putting it out there and going,
will you guys sort this out? You can't tell me,
you will tell me how to sort this out. Wilson's
such a bad thing.

Speaker 10 (33:38):
Bring me when Netflix go what an excellent idea? How
much money would you like me to invest in? I mean,
come on, here's the thing.

Speaker 2 (33:45):
We actually sell a lot of New Zealand of course
productions we sell on heaps of the moment six. We
just want to be selling them to streaming services.

Speaker 10 (33:51):
Nothing wrong with that. I'll tell all tell you what
if we make something that's good.

Speaker 2 (33:56):
Because it's the way that you know, watching a look at.

Speaker 10 (33:58):
That and go tell you what I need some I
wouldn't mind buying that.

Speaker 2 (34:01):
But if you watch Netflix, how much crap is on Netflix?
How often are you going? I've given that ten minutes,
moving on, moving on.

Speaker 10 (34:08):
And so if we produce enough good product, surely they're
going to buy it, aren't They as opposed to a
government interfering in the marketplace and trying to convince them
to do something they may or may not.

Speaker 2 (34:17):
Well, but apparently we want to, you know, have more
efficient government departments. And so we'll talk more about loving it.
Mike Hosking is with you next Seed tomorrow morning.

Speaker 1 (34:30):
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