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February 13, 2025 • 34 mins

On the Early Edition Full Show Podcast for Friday 14th of February 2025, the Government's hinted at a plan to encourage a third player into the grocery sector.

There's credibility issues for the ministry of education's new English curriculum after the English teachers association walked away from work on the draft, pip tinning resident of New Zealand association of teachers of English, shares her thoughts. 

A 24-year-old Afghan asylum seekers has purposefully driven into a crowd in the German city of Munich, Uk Correspondent Vincent McAviney tells Francesca Rudkin the latest. 

And the Super Rugby season kicks off today, rugby commentator Tony Johnson gives his take on the teams to watch. 

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Speaker 1 (00:02):
The issues.

Speaker 2 (00:03):
It's the interviews and the inside Early Edition with one room,
make your property search simple.

Speaker 3 (00:11):
News Dogs at b Good morning, Welcome to Early Edition.
I'm Francisco Rudkin filling in for Andrew Dickens. He'll be
back with you on Monday. Happy Valentine's Day to all
your romantics out there. Good to have you with us.
You're most welcome to contact me anytime this morning. You
can flict me your text on ninety two ninety two
or you can email me at Francesca at newstalkib dot
co dot nz. On the show today, we look at

(00:33):
what is happening with our English curriculum. Can you Believe It?
Super Rugby kicks off tonight and before the end of
the hour we discuss what the government needs to do
to create a more more competition in the supermarket sector.

Speaker 2 (00:47):
The agenda It's Fine.

Speaker 3 (00:48):
At the fourteenth of February, there's been yet another serious
car ramming attack in Germany, this time in Munich. A
twenty four year old Afghan asylum seeker drove it a
group of people injuring at least twenty eight. Police say
the car accelerated before hitting a trade union rally and
officer fired one shot at the suspect before he was arrested.

Speaker 4 (01:08):
It's simply terrible, just terrible when you get the news
that yet again someone has rammed into a group of people,
that there are many injured. It's a slap in the face.
We feel for the victims, We pray for the victims.

Speaker 3 (01:21):
It comes around a few months after a car rammed
into a Christmas market in Magdeburg, killing at least five
people and injuring more than two hundred.

Speaker 4 (01:29):
Whoever commits a crime in Germany will not only be
heavily punished and go to prison, but we'll also have
to reckon we're no longer staying in Germany.

Speaker 3 (01:38):
Meanwhile, US Defense Secretary Pete Hexas insist Donald Trump's attempt
to negotiate a peace deal between Russia and Ukraine is
certainly not a betrayal of Ukrainian soldiers. President Trump is
planning to meet Vladimir Putin for talks to end the
long running war.

Speaker 2 (01:55):
There is no betrayal there.

Speaker 3 (01:57):
There is a recognition that the whole world, than the
United States, is.

Speaker 5 (02:01):
Invested and interested in peace, a negotiated peace.

Speaker 3 (02:06):
Ukrainians fair Putin might try to buy off Trump that
Ukraine's Foreign minister has reassured NATO allies the fight is
not over.

Speaker 6 (02:14):
We're continuing. We're strong, we're capable, We're able, we will deliver.

Speaker 3 (02:20):
And that's the agenda.

Speaker 2 (02:22):
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Speaker 3 (02:30):
New Dog said the it's eight past five. So what
is going on with people? Why all of a sudden,
our people ramming police cars like their evape store. What
is happening to us as a society that we get
so angry we use a vehicle as a weapon and
aiming at the police. Why don't we respect the police?
Clearly these people don't care about consequences or fear them either.

(02:52):
Last week a police officer was struck by a vehicle
and Huntley suffering modern injuries. It comes after the horrible
New Year's Day incident and Nelson, when a long serving
and admired police officer lost her life. And then yesterday
an offender allegedly reversed several times into a police car
and towards police officers near Auckland Airport before speeding off,

(03:13):
leading to a twenty eight kilometer pursuit. Police Minister Mark
Mitchell has said violent incidents like this are happening more often,
both here in New Zealand and globally, and we've just
heard about the car ramming attack and Munich over night.
So the earliest the government brings in new laws that
allow for much tougher sentencing against violent behavior towards first responders,

(03:33):
the better. But I've also noticed a general increase in
road rage. I was in a small lane waiting to
turn into a car park the other day, which was
blocked by a whole lot of cars trying to get
in and out. You know what it's like when you're
on decided to sleave a carparker once very small car pack,
so there was chaos. So I just decided to patiently
wait for a minute or two, not long on the road,
to allow the chaos to sort itself out before turning in.

(03:56):
The gentleman behind me started tooting and yelling at me,
and once I'd moved and parked, followed me to the
shop entrance to lay on a bit more abuse. My
daughter was with me. She's just turned sixteen. She's looking
forward to working towards getting her driver's license, and her
response was I don't think I'm going to drive. If
this is what I have to deal with, what do
you say to that. I don't know how we're going

(04:18):
to achieve it, but we need to calm the farm
behind the wheel, regardless of whether it's a big or
a very small incident. It is a ten past five.
You're with early edition, early.

Speaker 2 (04:33):
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Speaker 3 (04:37):
Dog said they it is thirteen past five. Real credibility
issues for the Ministry of Education's new English curriculum. It's
been described as shambolic by the English Teachers Association, who
have walked away from work on the draft, saying it's
too complex and his unrealistic expectations of what teachers can
fit into a year. President of the English Teachers Association

(04:58):
Pipton and joins me, now, appreciate your time.

Speaker 7 (05:00):
Thank you, my pleasure. Good morning.

Speaker 1 (05:03):
Hey.

Speaker 3 (05:03):
What has this rewrite process been like?

Speaker 7 (05:09):
Yeah, shambolic I think is a really good word for it.
It's been it's been a long process so far. We
had a lot of stuff early last year that we
were very concerned about, had some conversations with the Ministry.
I think about September was our first lot of conversations
with them and then radio silence until probably December November December,

(05:35):
where we were given a draft curriculum to have a
look at and to give feedback on in a nine
day period at the end of our school year beginning
of the holidays. So it's been all over the show.

Speaker 6 (05:52):
Yeah, over the.

Speaker 7 (05:53):
Last few months, we've had a couple of members that
we put forward as people who would be really good
to help with feedback and consultation around the curriculum, and
the experience they've had has been really problematic as well.

Speaker 3 (06:12):
So how much extra are they trying to fit into
the curriculum compared to what's appropriate or manageable.

Speaker 7 (06:18):
Yeah, it's interesting at the moment. The document that we
first saw was one hundred and eleven pages, and after
our feedback that said, you know, it's just it's too big,
it's too long, it went up to one hundred and twenty.
What they're asking for teachers to fit into a year is,
you know, they have to do one novel, a collection

(06:40):
of poetry, a film, a drama text, short texts, other visual, spoken,
multimodal and digital texts, along with writing oral presentations, and
then they are expecting students to engage meaningfully with all
of these things. Well, any good novel study could take

(07:02):
somewhat five weeks, and then if you're doing a film study,
that's at least five six weeks. Poetry could be that long. Writing,
if you're doing good writing, that will take a huge
amount of time over the course of the years in
your oral presentations. So it's a lot to fit into
a forty week year.

Speaker 3 (07:22):
So what impact would that have on students and teachers
if a curriculum like this is implemented.

Speaker 7 (07:29):
I think the biggest issue will be that lack of
really meaningful engagement if you're just tech boxing and trying
to move on. I guess one of the big issues
is when you look at the fact that we're trying
really hard to work with students to get them up
to the appropriate standard. If it's like, look, guys are
really sorry that we haven't quite got yet to where

(07:49):
you need to be, but we need to move on
because we've got a huge curriculum to cover. You know,
that idea of leaving students behind becomes increasing concerning if
we're trying to get through everything. One of our recommendations
is rather than each year that each phase covered those

(08:10):
things and did it in a really thoughtful, meaningful and
deep way to ensure that our students are learning to
read texts in a way that allows them to look
at them critically, to write really well and write a
range of things, and to be really good communicators. So
those are things that as English teachers we constantly keep

(08:31):
in the forefront of our minds. Has been really important
for our young people. But the complexity of some of
the statements within the curriculum are just they would be
really overwhelming. And we are also needing to keep in
mind that teachers will be given a final draft in
term four of this year with a twenty twenty six implementation,

(08:56):
So that's an incredibly short timeframe to ask people to
get their head heads around one hundred and twenty pages potentially.

Speaker 3 (09:04):
Thank you very much for your time. Gosh, you know,
we really need to We're all hoping this works for
both teachers and students appreciate that. That was President of
the English Teachers Association, Pip Tinning. Tony Johnson is with
me next. Super Rugby kicks off tonight. It is seventeen
past five.

Speaker 2 (09:22):
The news you need this morning and the in depth
analysis early edition with one room make your property search simple.

Speaker 3 (09:29):
News Talk said be nineteen past five. So the summer
holidays are over for our super rugby players. The season
gets underway today with the Crusaders taking on the Hurricanes
in christ Church and the Highlander is playing the Waratas
in Sydney. The Blues will take on the Chiefs at
Eden Park on Saturday and the Blue Ceo Andrew Horses.
The games peaked a ton of interest and their past

(09:50):
their fifty percent target for ticket sales. Rugby commentator Tony
Johnson joins me in now, good morning, Tony.

Speaker 6 (09:56):
Morning, Panjestica.

Speaker 3 (09:57):
So, based on seeing absolutely no games so far, which
team are you backing to win this season?

Speaker 6 (10:04):
Well, the only team I'm back is my fantasy team.
They've got this new fantasy league. I got a team
in that. But in terms of the expectation, yeah, I
think quite clearly the Blues are being tipped to go
back to back, something that they haven't done since the
very early years of this competition. And they look very settled,
very stable, very strong, playing a very effective brand of rugby.

(10:25):
But you know the Chiefs, they look equally settled and
they look strong as well. I think we can expect
the Crusaders to be better. I think there are a
number of teams in this competition we can expect to
be better. I'm hoping that Myana Pacifica will have a
better year this year. I think they really need that.
So I think there's a lot of uncertainty over the

(10:47):
competition this year with a lot of changes having been made,
and that's that's a great way to start the season.
But definitely the Blues have been in Stall's favorite.

Speaker 3 (10:58):
So Tony, how big is this game on Saturday? Then
for the Blues and the Chiefs, will they both be
wanting to make a point, set a tone or do
you just have to accept the fact that this is
this is the first game of the season.

Speaker 6 (11:08):
Oh, I know they'll be wanting to get off to
a good start. I mean the Blues they tend to
start well. I think they've won five of their last
six opening games, something like that was at four or five,
And you know, every home game is really important. Eden
Park's so important to them. The Chiefs, on the other hand,
while their record at Eden Park in recent years has
been quite spotty, I think the Blues have won the

(11:29):
last five at Eden Park and seven of the last
ten altogether against the Chiefs. So I think the Chiefs
would really like to buck that trend. A lot of
talent in their team, a couple of interesting new faces,
and so I look, I think you know the Chiefs
will be well set up. And by the sound of it,
you know they're going to get a decent crowd at
Eaton Park. Conditions this time a year, absolutely fantastic. So

(11:53):
in this part of the country at least, what you know,
what a great game? A replay of last year's final
to kick things off.

Speaker 3 (11:59):
I don'ts are that great, Tony. It's pretty hot at
the moment. And Muggie, I want to be hitting a
rugby field tonight.

Speaker 6 (12:06):
Oh though they have been training it though for weeks. Stuff,
they'll be well used to it.

Speaker 7 (12:10):
True.

Speaker 3 (12:11):
True, the Crusaders, how are they going to redeem their reputation?

Speaker 5 (12:15):
Well?

Speaker 6 (12:16):
Winning more than four games to be a start. Getting
off to a win against the Hurricanes tonight would be
a very good start. It's hard to see them going
that badly again. You could argue this is probably their
second worst season that they're coming off, winning only four games,
losing ten. That's the most of ever lost. Last year
they did have a lot of complicating factors, you know,

(12:40):
that lost some really good elite talent and a lot
of injuries as well. But they've been hit by injuries
for this one too. I think fourteen thirteen fourteen players
are unavailable for this game. The Hurricanes too have had
some injury problems. Of course they're not. They haven't got
Ardie Savvia this year. He's gone to Minor Pacifica, which
is huge boost of them. Jordi Barrett's away, and they've

(13:03):
had injuries, particularly affecting their inside backs. But they've got
Cameron Royguard who's probably one of the most exciting players
in New Zealan. Now you know they'll be well primed,
you know. But again that the injury factor, the changes
in personnel make for such an uncertainty about this game.
But yeah, no doubt there's going to be a lot
of pressure on the Crusaders and their coach Rob Penny

(13:26):
to do a lot better this year.

Speaker 3 (13:27):
Just quickly, Tony, you mention injuries, which means there's some
fresh faces in these teams. Any players to watch out for.

Speaker 6 (13:34):
Well, you know, there's a number of exciting players. You know,
one player that I'm going to be keeping a really
close eye and we all are. I think is Fabian
Holland at the Highlanders. You know, he's just qualified to
play for New Zealand, the young man who came out
from the Netherlands. He is a big raw bone player
who looks like he's really has learnt the game extremely well.

(13:58):
He's just the sort of player that the all Black
selectors will be looking at very closely. So he's one
I'll be keeping an eye on. But oh there's the
usual Barrett vy McKenzie. That's going to be a big one.
So you know a lot of them, but of Holland's
one I'll be looking at in particular.

Speaker 3 (14:14):
Fantastic Tony Johnson, thank you so much for your input
this morning. It is twenty four past five the early edition.

Speaker 2 (14:20):
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at Me.

Speaker 3 (14:25):
A lovely tease yesterday from the Government aimed at those
of us still hurting at the cost of putting food
in the supermarket trolley. The government wants more competition and
the grocery sector. It was a nicely timed message despite
all the big picture talk of foreign investment in a
new economic ministry and a focus on growth, growth, growth.
The government has not forgotten that most key wes are

(14:47):
dealing with simpler day to day challenges like affording groceries.
The announcement by Financing Economic Growth Minister Nicola Willis at
the University of Waikato Economics Forum in Hamilton was very
much connected to the it's economic growth plan and look
that's not a bad thing. Got to love a government
with focus, or at least messaging focus. The issue is

(15:08):
there isn't really a plan here at all. The government
has said its receptive to cracking down on pricing and
helping new entrants access land and properties. Willis said that
if the new competitor presented a proposal to her, she
would be willing to do a deal, give them the
VIP treatment through a bespoke arrangement. There was mention of
existing proposals that Willis knew of companies possibly interested, but

(15:30):
for commercial reasons, she wouldn't disclose who they were. Who
knows how serious these contenders are. Do they have a
well considered proposal or was it a conversation in a
querry lounge. It all sounds quite hypothetical. Those with knowledge
of the grocery industry will tell you that the only
way a third party could make a go of it
here they would need roughly one hundred and forty outlets,

(15:50):
set up a billion dollar supply chain, and would require
the big players to be broken up for any competition
on price or sustainability. It is a lot will it says,
she's up for the fight, but a forced divestment of
some properties by incumbents is needed. It will be some
scrap one the previous government did not push ahead with.
So I'm not entirely sure what this tease has accomplished

(16:14):
other than some friendly headlines, a gentle poke at Foodstuffs
and Wilworths and to continue the key wee distant dream
of lower prices if a third party entered the New
Zealand supermarket scene. So the great supermarket talkathon continues, news
Dog Zibby. So are we just going around in circles

(16:35):
here with this discussion or are you buoyed by the
thought of new players entering the market? Would you prefer
that the government did more to reduce prices now with
the current situation, like break up the duopoly we currently
have by splitting companies like Foodstuffs into three separate entities,
that you can have New World, pack and save and
four square. There you go, boom, instant competition. Can you

(16:55):
hear your thoughts? You can text on ninety two ninety two.
We're going to have more on this at the end
of the hour when Ernie Newman, former CEO of what
is now the Food and Grocery Council, joins me with
his thoughts on how to create competition within the sector.
It is twenty nine past five. You're with Early Edition.

Speaker 2 (17:34):
The first word on the News of the day Early
Edition with one roof make your properties, dirge simple. The
news talk said, be done.

Speaker 5 (17:46):
Nothing you have we see, my god, it's done.

Speaker 6 (17:51):
Nothing. Have we say that you learn how to play
the game?

Speaker 3 (17:58):
Good morning, This is Early Edition on New Still. I'm
Francisco Rugkins filling in for Andrew today. Thanks for being
with us. In the next half hour we're going to
get to the latest on the car ramming attack in Germany,
and before the end of the hour, if the government
is serious about creating competition in the grocery sector, how
should they go about doing it? Thank you very much
for your feedback. Text reads good morning. Nikola is in

(18:18):
Dream World. Renew Grocery outlets. Australia only has two major
grocery outlets. No way a third company can open hundreds
of stores throughout the country. John Texas say Francisca, I
wonder when the rugby union will realize they're killing rugby
by starting rugby in the middle of summer and then
by the time the ab season starts, half of them injured.
And look one here from Colin. When I was talking
about road rage and the increase of it recently, he

(18:40):
said Francisca. Years ago, I used to get very impatient
behind the wheel. I was busy, busy, busy. I was
so worked out by the time I got to where
I was going. I made up my mind to try
a little patients whenever I was behind the wheel. It
changed my life. I was still fresh and relaxed when
I reached my destination. I still practice that today and
now it comes naturally. Thank you, Colin. I think you're

(19:00):
absolutely right. The only person that you're giving a heart
attack to is yourself, isn't it When you're getting worked
up in the car about everybody else is driving. So
thank you very much for that advice. Keep the feedback coming.
You can text on ninety two ninety two. Z me right,
let's head around the country. And joining me from Dunedin
is Callum Proctor. Good morning, Callum Warning Francisco. So, Dnedan

(19:22):
Council is keen to get local businesses on board to
be at the forefront of the city's low emissions future.

Speaker 8 (19:30):
Well, yes they are. The first phase of their zero
Carbon Business Support Program is what it's called. It began
last year the council giving aid and cutting emissions, reducing costs,
et cetera to businesses. Here the program provided tailored advice
to fourteen businesses and supplied each its own carbon footprint,
remote and climate action plan. So now the council is

(19:52):
looking to expand that and is seeking expressions of interest
from small and medium enterprises for its second phase of this,
which will begin next month.

Speaker 3 (20:01):
And in Eden's weather today callum a.

Speaker 8 (20:03):
Cloudy afternoon, find spells and twenty three today Thank.

Speaker 3 (20:06):
You so much. Claire Sherwood is with us from christ Church.
Clear questions over why a cost benefit analysis hasn't been
completed for a South Island based Eagle helicopter. Yes, good morning, Francesca.

Speaker 9 (20:18):
This is relating to some figures released two news stalks
that'd be under the Official Information Act, which show police
spent just under sixteen million dollars on private choppers in
the South Island in the last financial year is almost
four times four million more rather than in the twenty
nineteen Now all three Eagle helicopters that we do have,
as you know, are based in Auckland. There was one

(20:39):
trial done here in Christchurch in twenty twenty, and National
did talk about bringing an Eagle to the city during
their election campaign. A police spokesperson those says private chopper
costs are reasonable compared to operating an eagle. The Taxpayers
Union says private helicopters cost to the same as two
hundred and thirteen new police officer salaries. It says choppers

(21:01):
over more staff as a serious trade off and a
cost benefit analysis would at least prove whether it would
be worth it.

Speaker 3 (21:07):
And the weather today clear.

Speaker 9 (21:08):
Mainly find for us here in christ Church, apart with
some morning cloud northeasterly is freish A bit later I
Hive of twenty two.

Speaker 3 (21:14):
Thanks so much, Clear and maxtollers in Wellington, Good morning.

Speaker 10 (21:17):
Max, Good morning.

Speaker 3 (21:19):
A horrible crash in Martinborough.

Speaker 10 (21:22):
Yeah, in martinburugh in wided Apple really one of the
great wine towns of New Zealand. You can get from
a winery to winery very easily. Often visitors hire these
shared bikes, the four seaters with the roof on top.
That's what these four middle aged British tourists did yesterday,
and within minutes it's a turn to tragedy. A car
has hit their bike just before eleven in the morning,

(21:44):
leaving one dead and three seriously hurt. The road it's
happened on probably the main street for wineries bordering the town.
Some of the most popular wineries are scattered along it.
It's wide, a pretty clear street. There is some shadow
on the side of the road, particularly where this crash
has happened. It's one hundred k limits. Investigators, of course

(22:05):
trying to determine how exactly this has happened. On any
half decent Saturday Sunday, you can get hundreds of people,
often quite drunk, going up and down that road and
other streets on these shared bikes. The cars have to
navigate their way around them. Accidents like this are very rare,
but this is a serious one. Perhaps might spur some
sort of change.

Speaker 3 (22:26):
Mex Is are going to be a glorious day and
Wellington to have an outdoor Valentine's Day date.

Speaker 10 (22:31):
If you're that way inclined, yes, fine, light winds twenty
five the high Central.

Speaker 3 (22:36):
Don't have high expectations for your Valentine's Day megs, thank
you very much, every ready many good morning, good morning.

Speaker 11 (22:42):
You'll be expecting lots of flowers.

Speaker 3 (22:45):
And I don't like forced displays of love.

Speaker 11 (22:51):
Oh I don't. You'd be the type to you know,
like leave a night for yourhusband and police it's a
week before and.

Speaker 3 (22:56):
Say, right, want hey, you won't know what dated do?
You got to pick your battles? And I can think
of of you know, but what if.

Speaker 11 (23:04):
You received something and you haven't got him? Do do
you feel guilty?

Speaker 3 (23:07):
Do you know what? I think we've we've got an
understanding just twenty years, I think, well plus twenty years
plus maybe a lovely little chocolate hard.

Speaker 11 (23:15):
Yeah, just want just a little, just a little wee
two dollar job.

Speaker 12 (23:19):
Good on you.

Speaker 3 (23:21):
I sound so grumpy and unromantic.

Speaker 11 (23:23):
It's not that.

Speaker 3 (23:24):
Look, everyone to their own. You go for a day there, right,
we shall?

Speaker 11 (23:27):
I go from that to talk about eels.

Speaker 3 (23:29):
What's happening with the the eels?

Speaker 11 (23:31):
I know they're dying.

Speaker 3 (23:32):
This is terrible.

Speaker 11 (23:33):
So Auckland Council they've responded to a second report mass
eel deaths in just a week. So Daniel Newman, he's
a counselor. He says its officers. They're removing dozens of
dead eels. This is at the Wattle Farm ponds and
it follows all these reports on social media. He also
says that it's likely due to a wastewater overflow triggered
by a positive council ammonia test and then apparently the

(23:56):
council also removed This is another two hundred dead eels
Julia found twenty kilometers away. This is an old arcade
basin and that just happened last week. So we've got
those two reports. Not good, not good.

Speaker 3 (24:08):
No, it's not good at all.

Speaker 11 (24:09):
Think oh with it today gladly cloudy related chows possibly
heavy south of Papakuda. Twenty five is a high here
in autos.

Speaker 3 (24:15):
Thank you very much, Neva. You returned to the newsroom
to prepare to receive all your over bouquets of flowers.

Speaker 11 (24:21):
No, I've got a big box that you're just ready
for it for the arrival.

Speaker 3 (24:26):
It's not too late. Folks. If you want to send
Neva a little something, here we go. Next off, we're
heading to Europe for the latest on the Munich kar
ramming attack. Overnight. It is sixteen to six.

Speaker 2 (24:37):
International correspondence with Ends and Eye Insurance, Peace of Mind
for New Zealand business.

Speaker 3 (24:45):
It is thirteen to six and Vincent mcadeny is with
me from Europe and the UK. Vincent, what, good morning,
What is the latest on this attack in Munich?

Speaker 1 (24:56):
Good morning, Well, this attack happened in Munich a couple
of hours ago. Scan asylum seeker drove at a group
of people in the German city. Reports say he is
a twenty four year old who had an asylum claim
rejected after coming to Germany in twenty sixteen, but has
been given a sort of leave to remain since then.

(25:18):
But it's understood he is someone known to officers. He
has had offenses of theft and drug usage and drug
we think sales as well, but it's unclear what his
motive was. Today he was upended by who fired one
jotted him before his arrest. But it comes just as

(25:38):
Munich is set to host the Munich Security Conference, which
is one of the biggest global security conferences. The Vice
President jd Vance arrived in the city, but it's unclear
at the moment whether or not this is in any
way connected to that conference. Germany has had several of
these attacks over recent years, and they've got an election
just over a week away, so that potentially could have

(26:00):
something to do with it as well.

Speaker 3 (26:02):
Vincent very quickly, how is Europe reacting to the conversations
President Trump is having with both Russia and the Ukraine.

Speaker 1 (26:10):
Well, a lot of frustration and anchor as well at
what's going on. Vladimir Volenski coming out and saying very
clearly there can be no peace plan sort of forged
between Trump and Putin without him, as are reportedly going
to be a conference in Saudi Arabia on this, but
the Ukrainians saying they must be involved and that will
be the only way to secure peace. Lots though in Europe,

(26:31):
which is obviously you know, we've borne the brunt of
supporting Ukraine in terms of taking in Ukrainians and the
support that's been given, and also the impacts on cost
of living, and many European nations leaders angry that you know,
they're comparing it to appeasement of Hitler and saying that
Trump has already given too much away ahead of the
negotiations with that ninety minute call yesterday with Vladimir Putin.

Speaker 3 (26:54):
Thank you so much, Vincent, appreciate your time this morning.
It is eleven to six. The government has reiterated its
plan to encourage a third player into the grocery sector.
They're open to proposals, with lots of talk centering on
an international entry to the market. The plan is to
remove regulations that discourage new supermarkets and help new entrants

(27:15):
access land. Former CEO of what is now the Food
and Grocery Council, Ernie Newman, joins me. Now, thanks for
your time this morning.

Speaker 5 (27:22):
Ernie, well impressive.

Speaker 3 (27:24):
Do you think we will attract international players with these moves?

Speaker 5 (27:29):
Honestly, no, I think the time has passed. I think
the good thing is that nichol and Willison's all of
a sudden to put competition right at the top of
her priority live But you know, we have enough supermarkets
in New Zealand anyway. The problem we have is the
concentration of ownership. So the correct solution to this at
this point of time is to break up what we have.

Speaker 3 (27:50):
Okay, So if the government is serious about creating competition,
they should be taking your look at the current industry.

Speaker 5 (27:56):
Absolutely, they need to dust off the files from the
the breakup of telecom and go down that track. And
it can be done. There's plenty of you know, the
international precedent for that sort of thing when competition comes unstuck.
And we're welling to really past that point now.

Speaker 3 (28:11):
So what would that look like, Ernie, if you were
breaking up the drop they we already have.

Speaker 5 (28:17):
Yeah, if you take this, if you take the food
Stuff's group for example, you know they've got Pack and Saved,
they've got New World, they've got four Square. They're all
different what they call banot groups, and they present them
as though they're competitors, but everybody knows they're not. You know,
there's one one mister Big at the head of all
is who decides, you know, what the price today of

(28:38):
potatoes will be at each of those into those stores.
What we need is genuine competition where they are, they're
completely independently own and they're dealing independently with customers and
with suppliers. So that's that's the best solution, and it's
perfectly achievable.

Speaker 3 (28:56):
So for example, Ernie. If you had food stuff, you
turn them into three separate ends.

Speaker 1 (29:00):
Easy to have.

Speaker 3 (29:00):
You knew where'da packins? Saving your four square and the
compete against each other.

Speaker 5 (29:03):
Yeah, I'd be slightly more ambitious and turn them before
because there's a wholesale operation and that needs to be
split out as well. So that's the ideal to go
four ways. But any step down that path, whether it's
just splitting out one of them or we're all three
or including wholesale, any step in that direction, I think
it's going to be a lot more productive than hoping
that somehow a new entrant is going to turn up.

Speaker 3 (29:26):
And is there anything else that we can do? We
want great competition with what we already have. Is there
anything else that the government could be looking at?

Speaker 5 (29:34):
I really don't believe. So. I mean they talk about,
you know, removing regulation and making it easier for a
new entrant. You know, we arguably have too many supermarkets already,
so why would a new entrant come? And again, it's
the kind of duopoly that we have sitting here just
about the impossible. We're just about an impenetrable market. They can
afford to wait for months or years to basically burn

(29:58):
up a new entrant with a price walk, so that
won't work. It is the breakup that is the way
to go on this.

Speaker 3 (30:06):
So Annie, why do you think the talk is centering
around international bids rather than looking at what we can
already have here.

Speaker 5 (30:13):
I think because perhaps the government is a bit scared,
particularly with the influence of the zan with of the
Act Party. Sorry, I think you know they're worried about
criticism that you know, they're faring in the in the
role of business or whatever. But I don't believe that
holds water. You know, you get to a point where

(30:36):
competition is broke into the stage that that is the
only action you can take.

Speaker 3 (30:41):
Do you think there are genuine proposals from a third party?

Speaker 5 (30:44):
I'd love to think so. I wouldn't be surprised. The
question is whether it's a big enough scale to make
a difference to the market and to survive long term.

Speaker 3 (30:56):
Annie Newman, really appreciate your time this morning. Thank you
so much for that. That was formacy of what is
now the Food and Grocery Council. Up next, Mike Cosking.

Speaker 2 (31:05):
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Speaker 3 (31:12):
Sai'd be now, I'm going to be back with you
on Sunday with the Sunday Session and just after ten o'clock.
My guest is MORGANA O'Reilly, who is a key re
actress who also just happens to start in the new
season of The White Lotus, which kicks off on Monday night.
If you're a fan of the show, you'll want to
hear about all about the show, her experience of shooting
it at a luxury resort in Thailand. And joining me

(31:33):
now is Mike Coskin, who is with you at six.
You're a fan of The White Lotus.

Speaker 12 (31:38):
Very very big fan. Unfortunately, reviews of season three are
not good.

Speaker 2 (31:42):
No, well mixed.

Speaker 3 (31:43):
If I've read a couple of goodies.

Speaker 12 (31:45):
Where'd you read them?

Speaker 3 (31:46):
Hui ah Beguardian, I think we'll join it.

Speaker 12 (31:50):
I've read two and both said slow and laborious favor
sales to get to the greet.

Speaker 3 (31:55):
Well, I have actually seen two episodes, have you yes?
Because it's special?

Speaker 12 (31:59):
Would you say that it was the wrong Yes?

Speaker 3 (32:02):
I think if you've enjoyed the first two seasons, you
have really enjoyed this great characters, great performance and really
awesome to have a key we actress in the really
how good?

Speaker 12 (32:11):
Though?

Speaker 3 (32:11):
As an actor, you get a job, will you go
to shoot in a five star hotel? Would you also
stay in for them?

Speaker 12 (32:17):
When they filmed in Italy, which was exciting for them,
they did it out of season, obviously, and they froze
most of the time, and so they had to wear
swim suits and it was freezing, and so I don't
know how enjoyable it would have been.

Speaker 3 (32:30):
Do you celebrate Valentine's Day or every day Valentine?

Speaker 12 (32:33):
It's funny I should say that because the texts that
were exchanged in the early hours of this morning did
use the words every day is Valentine's Day?

Speaker 3 (32:40):
Oh lovely? So you don't have high expectations, then, well
you've been softened up for that.

Speaker 12 (32:46):
But I've been outcrded to be fair because she hasn't
got up yet, I don't think. But my card's a
beautiful card. It's a three dimensional card, and so they're
lovely cake it My card's not love My card's not
three dimensional. But but she didn't get me a gift,

(33:06):
but I got who wants.

Speaker 3 (33:07):
It'skind of a little competitive. It's not the point about us.

Speaker 12 (33:11):
Everything about America.

Speaker 3 (33:13):
Anyway, tell me about the show.

Speaker 12 (33:14):
Scott Morrison, who is Who's in the country at the moment,
So we'll take the He's been with Donald, he's got
he's a bringer friend called Donald who and so we'll
get some insight into what's going on. So anyway, so
Scott Morrison after seven thirty, but.

Speaker 3 (33:29):
A boom sounds great. Thank you very much. Thank you
for joining us this morning on Early Edition. And as
I mentioned, I'll be back on Sunday with the Sunday
Session at nine am. Take care, have a good Friday,
have a Valentine's Day.

Speaker 2 (33:58):
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