Full Show Podcast: 05 November 2024

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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Pressing the newsmakers to get the real story. It's Heather
Duplicy Allen Drive with One New Zealand let's get connected U.

Speaker 2 (00:10):
Stork z B.

Speaker 3 (00:15):
Hey, good afternoon, Welcome to the show coming up today.
We are going to bring you the Melbourne Cup live
after the five and then we're off to the US.
Our very own Thomas Coglan is there. He's getting into
Carmela's big HQ. He's going to give us the insight
into which side is panicking the day before the election.
Labor here is taking a crack at the Prime Minister
for not knowing anything about the use of force and
Act wants our public servants to be allowed to use ubers.

(00:37):
They're not allowed.

Speaker 4 (00:38):
Heather Duplessy Allen, all right.

Speaker 3 (00:40):
There are a couple of stories in the news today
that suggest to me there are some amongst us who
are maybe just a little naive about the realities of
dealing with our most difficult customers in this country. Now,
the first story is the big brew ha ha of
the day. This is the one about the staff using
force on the delinquent kids in the boot camps. Right now,
I'm not going to talk about the Prime Minister here
because we're going to deal with him in a minute.

(01:02):
But what this kerfuffle is actually about is what I'm
going to talk about right now, which is the staff
at the boot camp being given permission to use force
on these kids. Now, let's understand something here. The staff
have not been given some sort of special new power
they don't already have. They already have permission to use force.
They can only use it inside the boot camps. This
permission has now been extended to outside the boot camps

(01:24):
as well. So, for example, if they take the kids
on an overnight statum at I a normal mad or
I don't know, take them to the zoojis I don't know,
to take them outside to try to kind of rehab
them back into into normal life. Right, in that case,
they can use the same kind of powers, the force,
that they would be able to use inside the boot camp,
but they're only allowed to use as much as is

(01:45):
necessary in order to stop a kid running away or
hurting themselves or hurting someone else. Right, So this is
not open slat to give the kids the bash or
anything like that. It is simply extending a power they've
already got inside the gate to outside the gate and
fair enough as well. These kids are not in boot
camps because they're nice kids with good manners and excellent

(02:06):
anger management. They are in the boot camp because they're problematic.
So the chance that someone needs to restrain a violent kid,
I would say, is probably quite high. So let's get real.
If you are dealing with young people who kick up,
as a matter of course, you need to be able
to restrain them. This is not outrageous, this is necessary.

(02:28):
The second story is the complaint about the police raids
on a portocky gang houses terrorizing children. Would you please
get a grip A police raid, I would venture is
probably the least of the concerns of these children growing
up in gang houses. They are growing up in gang houses.
These places are not known as ideal family homes full
of you know, I don't know, quiet time, nice routine,

(02:52):
well behaved parents.

Speaker 5 (02:53):
Right.

Speaker 3 (02:54):
These raids apparently netted firearms, drugs and stopped two possible murders,
including a drive by shooting at a local mid I So,
would a police rate really be the worst thing that
these kids have experienced. I doubt it very much. I
feel like it's very easy to point the finger of blame.
It authorities for being heavy handed or mean. But if
we do that, let's be absolutely sure that we understand

(03:15):
the realities of how the other side in this equation
likes to behave.

Speaker 4 (03:20):
Heather duplus Ellen nine two.

Speaker 3 (03:21):
Ninety two is the text number. Standard text fees apply
now to the Melbourne Cup because this is the big
sporting event of the day, isn't it. The TAB is
estimating that New Zealanders are going to collectively spend about
thirty million dollars betting on the Melbourne Cup today. There
are three Kiwi horses taking part in the big race
at Flemington. You've got sharp and smart, you've got positivity
and you've got trust in you. We're going to be broadcasting,

(03:42):
as I said, the race live and free right here
on NEWSTALGSDB at five o'clock today. McK geran is the
New New Zealand Herald's racing editor is with us now.
Hey Mick, Hey, how are you?

Speaker 6 (03:51):
And I hope your listeners are having a cool Tuesday.

Speaker 3 (03:54):
Yeah, meet, Well that's about to get a lot cooler
in about fifty minutes, isn't it. Who's going to win?

Speaker 7 (03:59):
It's it's a trick.

Speaker 6 (04:00):
There's twenty three horses in the race here they're usually
there's twenty four, but one of them got scratched last night.
Because the Vets take this race really seriously. If a
horse has any little tiny issue, whether that's structural or
in any muscle or the heart, they say, nope, you
can't start, even if the trainers or owners aren't happy

(04:21):
about it. So after all of that twenty three horses.
They come from England, Island, France, Japan, New Zealand and Australia.
The Europeans are better at doing this type of racing
two mile racing or thirty two hundred meters, and therefore
they're the smarter bet. Now, if you are going to
have a bit today, listeners, don't blow the rent money

(04:41):
by all means blow the cappuccino money. If you can
ever five or a ten, you'll be okay. And I
think bad's going to happen there. But I do think
that you can be smart if you want to get
two horses in the same race. Number one is vou Barn.
Now he's really good and he's the best horse in
the race, but he's not proven in Australia, which is
a lot warmer obviously than Ireland, so it's twenty seven

(05:03):
great degrees there today. Last year he's got a bit
too sped up either. He's going a bit two over
the top and there's eighty thousand people there and he
didn't like it much. But they bought him out earlier
this year and acclimatized him. He's the best bet. He's
paying seven dollars fifty. So if you have twenty dollars
to spend, and again I'm not saying you should do that,
but if you have twenty, spare had ten dollars on

(05:26):
Vaubar number one and then your other bet is number
thirteen one. Smooth operator. Now he is also from England.
He's actually from York and the top of England, but
he's been out here. He's acclimatized and he won a
race at Geelong two weeks ago. So the flies, the heat,
the Australians, those things aren't bothering him. He's in a

(05:47):
pretty good mood about life at the moment and he's
got a lightweight and as jockey, Craig Williams has won
the Cup before. So if you split your bet, Heather
and I know you won't be because you're working. But
on one and third teen, and you spend that cappuccino money,
maybe tomorrow you'll get two or three cappuccinos back. We
can add a cake to your orders. That's my legitimate

(06:10):
punting advice to those Often.

Speaker 3 (06:13):
Other than just being you know, wise with your money,
why would you not blow your rent money on it?

Speaker 8 (06:20):
I do either.

Speaker 6 (06:21):
I bet semi professionally, so I bet to that level.
But it's no different to if you don't research shears,
you shouldn't be investing in the sheer market, going to
a fund and let them do it for you. If
you don't understand real estate, don't go buying a whole
of our houses. It's like anything like that. If you
don't understand a subject, but you still want to have
the fun. Like all people who are betting today, it's
going to the movies. When you go to the movies

(06:42):
at cost you twenty or thirty or forty bucks, you're
training time for money and you enjoy the experience, but
you're also not becoming a movie critic or you're not
buying a movie theater.

Speaker 3 (06:52):
So that's the way I look at.

Speaker 6 (06:53):
Punting today, and for many people it's the only time
they'll bet for the entire year.

Speaker 5 (06:57):
Enjoy it.

Speaker 6 (06:58):
If you have a horse named after your auntie or
your favorite color, look Legitimately they can win a New
Zealand horse called Prince of Penzance one paying one hundred
dollars back in twenty fifteen. But if you want to
not be bothered, thinking one and thirty are sort of
lucky numbers. Feather and it's about the best I've got there.

Speaker 3 (07:19):
Okay, why are the key we horses not in there?
What's going wrong with us?

Speaker 6 (07:23):
We sell most of our really good staying horses, so
these are called stayers. Horses who race past twenty four
hundred meters are called stayers. If you have a good
stayer in New Zealand, you'll tend to sell it because
a horse who's a Melbourne Cup type horse, you'll get
offered a million a million and a half when they're
three years old if they're good enough, and most people

(07:43):
are going to sell those horses, particularly there's only two
or three people the horses is life changing money. We
also sell a large percentage of our really good cults,
that's male horses to Hong Kong, so we lose a
lot of our best talent much lo we do with
rugby players going to France England. We lose people because
of the market share and the economics of it. So

(08:04):
we don't always have a best horses racing in the
Melbourne Cup. But also the Melbourne Cup these days isn't
about the far lapse. The absolute best horses don't run
on it because a lot of them, because of the
way we breed them there, race at that sort of
two thousand meter range because it's worth eight million dollars
today either, but the Everest, which is twelve hundred meters

(08:26):
a lot shorter, is worth twenty million.

Speaker 3 (08:28):
Oh geez.

Speaker 6 (08:29):
So there's a lot of races which are shorter and
therefore people breed or train horses to run in shorter distances,
whereas back in the day when Farlap was whening this
ninety six years ago, when the room was they were
all trained for this type of racing. So racing's changing,
breeding's changing. But New Zealand, because of the size of
the place and the struggles we used to have, things

(08:49):
are far better now. But we had struggles financially in racing.
We were selling a lot of our horses. So to
those who've gotten today this is a huge deal. You're
competing with a pool of thousands of genetically superior horses
to get them into the race. So those three New
Zealand horses who have got in, which means they make
up twelve point five percent of the field, they've done

(09:11):
pretty bloody well.

Speaker 3 (09:12):
Yeah, actually, very good point, Nick, Thank you for to
us through to appreciate mcgerrn, New Zealand Herald Racing Editor.
So if you can't remember what makes sense number one
and number thirteen, do not blow the rent money, always
be over eighteen and bet responsibly and stuff like that,
et cetera. Hey, good news if you're into Game of Thrones,
there is a movie coming. There is a movie coming.
So apparently Warner Brothers is very quietly on the DL

(09:35):
the down low, working on at least one film set
for the movie. But also calm your farm very early days.
No writer, no director, no cast. Just get seventeen past four.

Speaker 1 (09:46):
Who will take the White House results and analysis of
the US election on Heather Duplessy Alan drive with one
New Zealand. Let's get connected the news talk said, be
the sport with the new taba. I have downloaded today responsibly.

Speaker 3 (10:03):
Darcy water Grave Sports Talk Hoasters with me right now, Dars.

Speaker 9 (10:06):
Hello, Hi, how you doing.

Speaker 3 (10:09):
Have you put money on the No?

Speaker 7 (10:11):
No?

Speaker 4 (10:11):
Why not?

Speaker 10 (10:12):
Did I forgot?

Speaker 3 (10:14):
Did you?

Speaker 10 (10:16):
I know the sweep steak came out yesterday emailed. I
try really hard when I'm not at work to not
open my email.

Speaker 3 (10:24):
So I completely missed it.

Speaker 10 (10:25):
I'm not interested. If you want to content about work,
contact me in working hours. I really don't want to know.
But also, over the weekend just gone, I had to
watch so much sport and I had a lot of
it recorded because I was backing up I was going
to I didn't want to open anything like an email, Twitter,
just in case I.

Speaker 3 (10:45):
Got that sports on what happened with the cricket in India.
Of course that's what I was watching.

Speaker 9 (10:51):
That's what I was watching. I'm just waiting for someone
to text me don't do it, so I avoid.

Speaker 10 (10:58):
So I got into the real world about nine this morning.
I should wake up and find it.

Speaker 5 (11:03):
And I was like, oh right, a sweet that thing.

Speaker 10 (11:06):
It must be the first Tuesday of November.

Speaker 3 (11:08):
I know that much, and I missed out. I always
feel a bit bad because the citars in it were
way to make some easy money. But no, it's not
that very rarely goes my way. To be honest, it's
not easy and it's not easy yet. How were the
Breakers sitting at the top of the NBL.

Speaker 10 (11:21):
By pounding the adelaide? And then last night there was
extraordinary game. They went to Melbourne United. Dean Vickerman East
coach here as a coach there best defensive team in
the camp so far in their own gym, where the
Breakers just can't beat them, and they proceeded to paddle them.

Speaker 3 (11:40):
What's going on?

Speaker 9 (11:42):
They couldn't miss.

Speaker 10 (11:43):
I think they shot sixty five sixty six percent just
on a winning s and they accelerated.

Speaker 11 (11:48):
Well.

Speaker 10 (11:49):
The fascinating thing here is that three of their best
players aren't even on the court right now. And what
happened last season with Mayor is they held their team
together with a last of plast and band aids and
they somehow managed to get to where they got, but
they didn't get any further. So, yeah, they've got some
injuries and that's always going to slow things down, but

(12:10):
every team does. But the next crew coming through, I'm
putting it all at the feet of the coach because
what coach kop they like to call them apparently, So
I'll pretend I'm a break a coach cop. Plainly, he's
got the hearts and the minds of these players. He
might be good at exits and those, but he's they've
brought into his vision and all of the young guys

(12:31):
coming through it.

Speaker 12 (12:31):
Everyone else.

Speaker 10 (12:32):
I was like, yeah, we know what you're doing. You
should see mid court and the way they're passing the
ball is a thing of beauty. So they're dialed in
and they're going. Now, of course I guess the death
because all the Aussie commentators going, they've got to be favorite.

Speaker 5 (12:45):
For the title.

Speaker 3 (12:46):
Now in the moment you call a favorite.

Speaker 10 (12:49):
Yeah, I know, I know, but really very satisfying to
watch from a hoop's point of view.

Speaker 3 (12:55):
I thank you very much, Darcy, appreciate it, Darcy water Grave.

Speaker 8 (12:59):
That was my best home.

Speaker 3 (13:00):
It was a great horse sports talk host back at
seven with more of that. If you want to tune
in for twenty.

Speaker 1 (13:05):
Two the name you trust to get the answers you
need have a Duplessy Allen Drive with one New Zealand
let's get connected a news talk as they'd be.

Speaker 3 (13:16):
We are standing by for a decision out of the
Reserve Bank of Australia on the interest rates that'll be happening,
and just let in less than five minutes time in
Murray Olds will talk us through it when he's with
us shortly. Our very own Thomas Coglin of The Herald
is currently in the Karmala Harris HQ waiting for Karmela
to come out for her final rally. This will be
the final one before election day tomorrow, and we're also

(13:39):
waiting for the Don to be doing his one very
shortly as well. Poor old Thomas. Thomas. Spare thought for Thomas,
because this is the making of the sausage that you
don't see. Thomas has been there for seven hours already.
They tell the reporters to turn up real early and
then they just have to loiter. And the worst bit is,
I mean, this is a sucky job, right, you don't
want to do this job that he's been standing for

(14:00):
seven hours and he said it's like a Glastonbury for losers.
Now it's going to get interesting with Thomas because KK
is going to be on stage at five and we're
going to be talking to Thomas shortly thereafter. And I
don't know how this is gonna work because he's going
to be in the crowd and it's gonna be noisy,
but anyway, we'll see how it goes. And he might
just actually die before then. So he's got another half

(14:22):
hour ago and it's been on his feet for seven hours,
so we might just be talking to a corpse by
that stage. But anyway, see how it goes. It's freaking that.
I reckon this is going to freak the Democrats out
a little bit. I'm quite keen to talk to him
about who's panicking because there was definitely panic starting to
sit in the Democrats two weeks ago, and it sounds
like Trump's panicking a wee bit because it's gone a
bit more koki than normal. I think this is going
to freak out the Democrats a wee bit. Donald Trump

(14:43):
has managed to get the Republicans out early voting in
quite big numbers. It has actually broken some records, so
for the first time ever, registered Republicans have cast more
early votes than registered Democrats in most of the states
that allow it, So there are more Republicans who have
already voted in Nevada and North Carolina. These are important

(15:05):
states that are too sweet Keith swing states also Iowa, Arizona,
and Florida. Now these are states that usually lean Republican
but recently went blue. More Republicans are out voting early.

Speaker 5 (15:15):
Now.

Speaker 3 (15:15):
The reason this will freak out the Democrats is because
early voting is a sign of mobilization. It means the
voter's care they're voting. They're not just saying, oh, I'm
going to vote for Trump and then forgetting on the
day they're out doing it. They really care about it
this time. And a lot of because of how close
the polls are, a lot of the selection comes down
to mobilization. So anyway, more to come on that headline's

(15:36):
next on.

Speaker 1 (15:38):
Your smart speaker, on the iHeart app, and in your
car on your drive home. Heather duper c Allen drive
with One New Zealand let's get connected a news talk
as they'd be.

Speaker 3 (16:01):
Oh okay, don't forget, don't forget. We're going to Flemington
after five o'clock for the Melbourne Cup race and there
are some celebs there. Let me tell you who's turned up.
Ronan Keating has turned up all the way from Ironland. Yeah,
I haven't forgotten. We're gonna talk about Ireland within Debrady.
If didn't catch up on that in the show yesterday.
I'll deal with it later on. We're talking about Ireland

(16:23):
and the pronunciation later on. So Ronan's there from Ireland.
Bob Galdoff also, isn't he Irish too? Isn't he from
Ireland as well? Dinner? Nicky Hilton is there yep, famously
the sister of Paris kill it Ants. No one likes
that song. No one likes that song. It makes everybody
feel miserable and like we're at a funeral, and Liz
Hurley it's actually not a bad celebrity in liess. Thank

(16:45):
you Ants for responding so quickly. Anyway, So we're gonna
be there after five o'clock. Now, Chris Luckxon, let's deal
with this really quickly before we go to Murray Old's Okay,
I'll tell you what what's bad about what happened this
morning when Chris was interviewed by Mike Hosking. There's two things.
First of all, he didn't know about the use of
force being extended read the boot camps. The problem with

(17:06):
that is he actually helped make the decision to extend
the use of force, so it was a decision made
by cabinet. Cabinet made the decision to extend the use
of force. He is in cabinet, he is the chair
of cabinet. He should be across everything that's happening in cabinet.
He said, I haven't had that conversation. Actually he had
with about nineteen other people in the room, so he
did have that conversation. So that's not cool. Then, second

(17:26):
of all, when he was pressed by Mike, well, what
do you think are you comfortable?

Speaker 6 (17:29):
No?

Speaker 3 (17:30):
Not comfortable. No, not comfortable with this at all. Doesn't
don't approve of it. Was so comfortable with him, Well,
why did you make the decision then to do it?
So now you're telling me that you don't like you
don't like the thing that you decided to do. That's
a bit weird, isn't it. So the problem here is
that he's been caught kind of looking a bit flip floppy,
flip floppy, which has a bit of a problem for

(17:50):
our Chris. He does flip flop a wee bit, doesn't it.
And the second thing is he's been caught napping, which
is unexpected because I think that's the kind of stuff
just cinda got caught out on which you're not across
the detail. I didn't think we were expecting Chris to
be a little sloppy like that. Anyway, gotta be like Helen,
got to be across all the details. So Barry Soap
will be with us in about ten minutes and talk
us through it.

Speaker 12 (18:09):
Maybe one of Ronan's covers, A be a bit nice,
a little bit more uplet isn't it.

Speaker 13 (18:15):
Hard out?

Speaker 5 (18:16):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (18:16):
What was that other?

Speaker 14 (18:17):
Hideous?

Speaker 3 (18:17):
When you were playing before?

Speaker 12 (18:19):
When you've say nothing mills?

Speaker 4 (18:20):
Oh?

Speaker 3 (18:23):
And like what a statement A I love you lady
when you say nothing at all, which is basically how
we like our women.

Speaker 5 (18:29):
You know.

Speaker 3 (18:30):
Some unfortunately got a mauvy one.

Speaker 12 (18:31):
Going on here at two Ronan songs. I hope Murray
hasn't hung.

Speaker 3 (18:34):
Up and Q's twenty two away from five.

Speaker 4 (18:37):
It's the world wires on news talks, it'd be drive.

Speaker 3 (18:41):
It's election day tomorrow in the US. More than eighty
million Americans have already cast an early vote. Kamala Harris
has been campaigning in Allentown, Pennsylvania today. She's confident, sound.

Speaker 15 (18:52):
This is it?

Speaker 3 (18:53):
Just one more day, one more day, one more day
left in one of the most consequential elections of our
lifetime and momentum is on our side. Can you feel it?
We have Momenta Ray whew. Less than half an hour
until the Melbourne Cup. David Gator Gate from the tab

(19:16):
over and Aussie is picking Bukaroo to win the big race.

Speaker 16 (19:18):
I'm going with Bukaroo. He was simply outstanding in the
Corfield Cup against the patent held up stormed on one
of the runs of the month and he made Vesus
Sen who worked a beating prior to that and her
coxplate win was one of the wins of my lifetime.

Speaker 3 (19:30):
Mariolds with us. Shortly and finally.

Speaker 5 (19:33):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (19:33):
Some customers in a Melbourne cafe got a bit of
a shock while perusing the establishment's different milk alternatives. So
a sign on the counter listed the bog standard armand
oat lactose free options, but at the very bottom that
was a line saying next week breast milk five dollars now.
Despite the absurdly high priced one customer actually inquired about
whether he could get the breast milk, at which point

(19:55):
the cafe staff said, thank god.

Speaker 4 (19:57):
It was just a joke. International correspond it's with ends
and eye insurance. Peace of mind for New Zealand business.

Speaker 3 (20:04):
Murray old as he corresponding with us now Mars afternoon,
Heather got your fascinator on.

Speaker 5 (20:10):
Oh mate, this looks fascinating.

Speaker 2 (20:13):
I actually I could do I mean the whole of
head hair transplant would It would be a whole lot better.

Speaker 3 (20:19):
Than Yeah, we'll have you did about the Melvin cup sut.
We just want to talk about the RBA decision.

Speaker 2 (20:24):
Rates have been held, have they They have it four
point three five percent as expected. I don't think anybody
was tipping going to cut today. One more meeting in
December and then into the new year, and the feeling
is that the Reserve Bank will move to cut into rates. Look,
inflation veigas have been good, but they're not as sweet
as the Reserve Bank wants. And Michelle Bullock, I mean,

(20:47):
if they thought she was going to be a pushover,
forget it.

Speaker 5 (20:50):
She's a very very tough customer. She was the Deputy
Governor of the Reserve Bank for a very long time
and she has made.

Speaker 2 (20:56):
It clear from the start she's not going to be
bullied or pushed around by politicians and she will be
you know, she and the board will be altering rates
when they think Australia is in a sustainable sweet.

Speaker 5 (21:07):
Spot, and that looks like being in the new year.

Speaker 2 (21:10):
All the big four banks over here anticipating rate cuts
very very early in February, and some of them three
times next year, says the A and Z. Four cuts
according to Commonwealth Bank and Westpac, and the NAB is
saying well five and just right cuts next year.

Speaker 5 (21:29):
So why jump ahead of the of the curve?

Speaker 2 (21:33):
So no cut, No early Christmas present expected next month
either for mortgage holders.

Speaker 5 (21:38):
But watch your space in the new year.

Speaker 3 (21:39):
Now, good, okay, Now what have you taken out any
bits on the Melbourne Cup?

Speaker 2 (21:43):
I haven't because I'm the most hopeless punter ever. The
last time I bet in the Melbourne Cup was nineteen
eighty three, and have a guess who won? Kiwi Kiwi
won in eighty three, lasted the last turn and stormed home.
So today, if you've got any lazy dollars, Buckeroo has
firm up.

Speaker 5 (22:01):
Vau Bown is also right up there.

Speaker 2 (22:03):
Seven dollars earlier today one smooth Operator was at eight bucks.
The value bet they reckon was warm Speed. If you're
liking a female jockey, there are a record four in
the race today. There's Jamie Carr on Okita sushi, Holly
Doyle on c King, Rachel King on the map, and
we're known a cost on positivity.

Speaker 5 (22:25):
Mark Mara the jockey looking to run a.

Speaker 2 (22:26):
Hat trick, Heather his third straight Melbourne Cup if he
gets up today on Circle of Fire and if you
win four point four million dollars to the winning connections,
second gets one point one million, third gets a lazy
half million dollars.

Speaker 3 (22:41):
It just like that, but cheeky upa mil hey. So
have these independent MPs actually canceled the lounges memberships?

Speaker 5 (22:48):
Well, they're saying they're going to.

Speaker 2 (22:49):
And don't expect a bad rush from all the other
politicians in Federal Parliament, because that's one of the perks.
These people really love a lot of the whole lot
of them, both sides, all sides. The Greens are in
there with the snouts and the trough the you know.
And of course you won't hear too many of the
politicians saying, oh, all they're doing is virtue signaling. These

(23:10):
are independents. But that's exactly what they're doing. I mean,
they've been called out for another greedy excess of grab
that politicians always seem to get caught out on I
mean it's top of to them for free. I accept that,
but it's just a crooked look. But everybody over here
eating whick bits for dinner the last thing. These people
get about a quarter million dollars a year and start

(23:31):
climbing from there.

Speaker 5 (23:33):
It just looks terrible.

Speaker 2 (23:34):
And for the opposition to be howling at albaneasy about
his house and about the flights, give me a break.

Speaker 5 (23:41):
I mean, Bridget McKenzie's the shadow transport minister. I know
I've never taken a flight. Oh yeah, I did take one.

Speaker 2 (23:48):
Oh my staff are now looking how many have actually
taken It's just pocracy written in neon lights right across
the front of the stage.

Speaker 3 (23:55):
Yeah, nobody likes getting found out like that. Mars, thank
you very much, going and enjoy the race. Appreciate timate.
Marriold's Australia correspondent. You're not gonna believe this. Labour wants
an inquiry into the Portocky raids. That's right, Labor wants
an inquiry to find out if the police did the
wrong thing by the gang members. I mean, cool, you're
on the right side of that debate. Labor. You just

(24:16):
carry on like that.

Speaker 4 (24:18):
What are they doing?

Speaker 3 (24:18):
Are they trying to cut the Maori Party's lunch by
being more crazy than them? Anyway, Barry Soaper will talk
us through that in a minute. Something weird going on
at IAD and I can't quite get my head around
and rang you through that before this hour is through.
Barry Soper's next sixteen Away from.

Speaker 1 (24:31):
Five Politics with Centrics Credit, check your customers and get payments, certainty.

Speaker 3 (24:36):
Barry Soper, senior political correspondent, is with us right now. Barry, Hello,
good afternoon. Now Barry, what Labour wants an inquiry into
the mongrel mob raids to determine what exactly please.

Speaker 9 (24:48):
I mean, honestly, let's put this in perspective. Police executed
thirty search warrants on this They twenty eight people were arrested, methamphetamines,
ammunition and guns were found and now my assassinations were prevented,
that's right, prevented. Labour's Penny says that the inquiry should

(25:14):
be made into the allegations that children were somehow, somehow
kept by police in the houses for some hours. A
spurious allegation that was made, and of course it's been
vehemently denied by the minister or police well, there's one
avenue to do if you really want to take the

(25:35):
police to task, go to the complaint police complaints authority.
That's where you take your complaint. Don't have a formal enquirum.
And these people with a mongrel mob and really by
labor throwing its weight behind others in the political spectrum.
Really I don't know where they think they're going to

(25:56):
end up in the Maldi party.

Speaker 3 (25:57):
It's a weird thing because it is a wee he
had caused champion, isn't it.

Speaker 9 (26:01):
It's just weird.

Speaker 3 (26:03):
Yeah, okay, Now what do you make of Luxem's performance
this morning where he didn't know anything about conversations about
the use of force outside boot camps when he was
part of those conversations.

Speaker 9 (26:11):
Well, of course he did know, and maybe he had forgotten,
who knows, But look it was very much to the fore.
In parliament this afternoon there was a leaked ministerial document
from the Children's Commissioner Current Tours Offers that showed force
would be able to be used at these camps, and

(26:32):
that was seen as terrible by the Green Party's Tamotha Paul,
who obtained that document. She said the government's proposal was scary.
It's the use of force against these young people who
have committed We've got to remember serious crimes that seem
to upset but Paul, but certainly not current.

Speaker 14 (26:53):
Sure does she support for profit organizations being able to
run military style a mease and use force against young people.

Speaker 17 (27:03):
It is the power to use minimum force as reasonably required.
I'm proud of the fact we've managed to step up
a pilot, have ten young people have a chance to
turn their lives around and invest in making sure they
have every opportunity to be the best that they can be.
I'm proud of that, and I'm looking forward to seeing
many more children have the opportunity.

Speaker 9 (27:25):
I'd say here to that, but not happy to leave
it alone. Labors will a gene prime. She fired another
question and got more than she gave.

Speaker 14 (27:33):
Does she agree with the advice from ordering Automatiqi officials
that the provision of powers to use force may result
in harm if not used appropriately, And if not, why not?

Speaker 17 (27:47):
Yes, mister speaker, that's why it must be used appropriately.
The whole point is making sure we mitigate those risks.
You get in a car, you put on a seat pal,
you get in a boat, you put on a life jacket.
This is about us giving the young people the life
jacket and the seeing that they need to better their lives.

Speaker 9 (28:04):
Yep, fair enough too.

Speaker 4 (28:06):
And look I just looked up.

Speaker 9 (28:08):
To qualify for these boot camps, these young angels that
shouldn't be touched must have committed at least two serious
crimes carrying a sentence of ten years or more.

Speaker 3 (28:20):
Perfectly, that's serious, yep, perfectly. Well we have children, yeah, okay,
So Benjamin Doyle has been sworn in to replace our
friend Darlene.

Speaker 9 (28:29):
He has and look called the old fashioned. And I
thought about Rob Muldoon, Dare I say it when he
strode into the house this afternoon to be sworn And
I mean Muldoon would be turning in a sky, his
star in the sky if he was witnessing what happened today.
In terms of dress, I must say Benjamin Doyle is

(28:51):
the first non binary MP in New Zealand's history. Now,
he strode in essentially in a skirt and a sort
of a blousey top and a Palestinian flag as an
accessory draped over his arm, and a rather interesting looking hat.

Speaker 3 (29:13):
And I looked at kind of like a pillow.

Speaker 9 (29:15):
I looked at David Semol's face and his jaw was
a gog as the span STRAI.

Speaker 3 (29:22):
To be sworn by anklet socks and dock Martins.

Speaker 9 (29:28):
The little tattoo down near the ankle. But look, he said,
he's looking forward to representing Maldy because he is part
Mild and he's part Scottish as well.

Speaker 3 (29:39):
I think it was a kilt.

Speaker 9 (29:40):
No, it was not a kilt.

Speaker 7 (29:42):
It was a skirt.

Speaker 3 (29:42):
It's very kilty.

Speaker 7 (29:43):
Look.

Speaker 9 (29:43):
I looked at it very closely, astounded. I had to
look at it closely. He said he's looking forward to
representing Maldy and queer voices in Scott's in Parliament.

Speaker 3 (29:56):
And Scott's he's looking forward to Britain and queer always.

Speaker 5 (30:01):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (30:01):
Oh no, I just thought because I thought you said
he's part Scottish.

Speaker 5 (30:03):
So I think.

Speaker 9 (30:06):
He admitted to being intimidated by the structure of Parliament.
In an interview this morning, he said it's a colonial
institution and as someone who's an advocate for Maldi and
who's really upfront with his feelings, he most certainly is
about the institution and racism and white white supremacy. He
feels it quite confronting. Well, you know he's come to

(30:27):
Parliament with a great attitude. You'll be pleased to hear
hither he admitted that he doesn't want to become Prime minister.
Bring back Darling Tada.

Speaker 3 (30:38):
There's a slim chance of that. I was say, being
a green MV. Very thanks very much, but you know
one can one can dream. Very so for senior political correspondent,
currently also a fashion blogger by the Sounds of Thing
seven away from five.

Speaker 4 (30:51):
Digging into the issues that affect you. The my asking breakfast.

Speaker 18 (30:54):
Deposits, which I've long argued for a way too high
in this country. Needing twenty percent of a million bucks
is ridiculous. Home and business lending is up a little bit.
Is that a sign of the economy and green shoots
and all of that or not, it's a couple of things.

Speaker 19 (31:08):
The housing market has definitely started to pick up.

Speaker 18 (31:10):
When you go to pass the legislation, you can't answer
the question where you're going to boot them up the bum,
whack them around the head and treat them badly.

Speaker 20 (31:16):
Well, what I had to say to you, though, is
that I think it's a bit Well, what I said
yesterday is why it's so disingenuous is yea? If you
think about the examples and the abuse of state care,
there was like unbetted, unqualified stuff.

Speaker 18 (31:25):
Back tomorrow at six am the mic asking Breakfast with
the Rain drove of the Lahn News talk z B.

Speaker 3 (31:30):
Heather Ronan Keating and his family moved to Australia several
months ago, so they haven't come all the way from Ireland.
Thank you, Ronda. This is fascinating. So ACT is trying
to get permission for public servants to use ubers rather
than taxis when they're traveling around and apparently there's some
weird rule they can't do that. That's bizarre, isn't it?
Because ubers are way cheaper than taxis. Now, correct me

(31:50):
if I'm wrong, And look, I think public servants catch
the corporate cabs. I think that's what they're doing. And
I think they by far and away more expensive than
anything else. Now, an uber ride from Auckland Central to
Auckland Airport is about sixty bucks at the most, right,
But what is it? What's a corporate cab ride? Is
it about one hundred and twenty or thereabouts? If you
know sent me a text I want to know nine

(32:10):
two nine two. We're going to talk to the act
party when they're with us. It's Todd Stevenson, who's going
to be with us in half an hours time. Now,
something weird is going on with IID, and I don't
actually know. I probably don't really have time to explain
it to you here, so I'm just gonna give you
a quick teaser and then we'll talk about it later on.
But you remember how how the ID got busted giving
what they were calling hashed data to like Meta and

(32:34):
Meta being Facebook, the parent company of Facebook and LinkedIn
and stuff like that, where they were basically saying, like
on it wasn't revealing Heather's name or anything. It was
like we were like Heather doblic Ellen h three at
three are attached. They got busted doing that. Well, they've
just been busted doing far worse than that. I've just

(32:55):
been given all my details. Why haven't they all of
your details? At least two hundred and seventy of us,
so just been like, here's here, this's name, here's her
contact email, here's her contact phone number, here's her address.
Because yay, that's what I want. I just love Mark
Zuckerberg having all that information. Anyway, we'll deal with that
later on. We'll have a chat about it. Next up
the Big Race, and then Thomas Coglan out of Karmela's

(33:17):
if he's still alive at Thomas at Karmala's headquarters.

Speaker 5 (33:21):
News twiks B.

Speaker 1 (33:27):
The only drive show you can trust to ask the questions,
get the answers, by the facts and give the analysis.
Heather due to ce Ellen Drive with One New Zealand
Let's get connected and news Talk.

Speaker 4 (33:40):
Said, be.

Speaker 3 (33:42):
Hey, good afternoon. Only one day to go in the
US election campaign, and both Karmala Harris and Donald Trump
are holding their final rallies right now. At Kamala Harris's
rally for US as The Herald's deputy political editor, Thomas
Coglan Thomas, Hello, hello mate, it's awfully quiet. Is she
not turned up yet?

Speaker 21 (34:00):
It's a funny old event, this one. So the Democrats
are holding these massive rallies in various swing states. It's
a bit like Live Aid, that big thing they did
in the eighties for the raising money for Africa. So
Kamala Harris started off at the Philadelphia. I'm sorry that
the Pittsburgh one. She was there maybe two hours ago
and she is somewhere between Pittsburgh and Philadelphia, which is

(34:24):
where I am, which is where her last address we made.
But yeah, you're right, she has not shown up yet.
The crowd is getting a bit restless. Lady Gaga is
meant to come on and entertain us, but she has
shown up yet either. So yeah, it's a wedding game,
perhaps a harbinger of things to come.

Speaker 3 (34:40):
Lord, you mean the election result, I'd imagine apparently the
Democrats have been nauseously optimistic for a few days now,
Is that what you're hearing?

Speaker 21 (34:50):
Yes, yes, I mean they're doing their best to put
on a brave face. Kamala Harris is saying We're going
to win this everywhere that she can say that. But look,
those those poles are tied. I mean, the poles are
not moving very much, but where they are moving, they
seem to be narrowing for Trump. So his chance is
certainly looking pretty good. But but but to be FSR,

(35:10):
who's it's really a coin toss? So I mean, to
be honestly that no one knows it's It could go anyway,
and and the Poles could be wrong, that they could
be all wrong and the wrong in the same direction.

Speaker 8 (35:23):
They could be wrong in different directions in different states.

Speaker 21 (35:26):
It really is anyone's game, okay.

Speaker 3 (35:28):
And how the how the Republicans feeling. Are they confident
or panicking?

Speaker 21 (35:32):
No, I think that confident as well. And now you
know that that they're gearing up to fight this and
courtly f and and obviously you know in Florida in
two thousands they successfully did manage to get and you know,
the White House after after the I think by five
hundred votes in Florida when the when they're hanging chips
were litigated. So so you know that the Republicans are

(35:55):
gearing up for that fight and to be psre the
Democrats as well. I think there's something like three thousand
different counties in the United States. Each one of them
counts the votes in their own way, and so you
can actually you can actually expect to see many of
those counties are having, you know, questions raised about the
way that that the voters is conductive. So so you know,
I think the Republicans are looking at that as well

(36:15):
as simply winning.

Speaker 3 (36:17):
Now, now, Thomas, you mentioned before that this could be
a sign of things to come, the waiting game, right,
and I see Pennsylvania's Secretary General has already warned that
the state will not have a result tomorrow night. However,
this isn't on the assumption that everything is tight. If
it actually all of a sudden goes one way or
the other, will we have a result tomorrow, Like if
it's a clear win for Trump or a clear win
for Karmela, will we know tomorrow?

Speaker 21 (36:39):
Yes, that is that that is a potential outcome, and
there is actually like there's a there's there's not a
bad probability of that happening. Often when polls are wrong,
they are often wrong in the same direction. There are
seven swing states, and if all the poles are in
the swing states, which are currently basically tied, you know,
if they're all wrong and Trump is clearly winning and
most of them, or if they're wrong in Hourise is

(37:01):
sleepy winning and most of them, then we might actually
not need Pennsylvania. And so in that case you probably
would have a result, a pretty clear result tomorrow. But
you know, at the moment, it looks like all the
races and all the swing states will be so close
that that tomorrow night will be fairly inconclusive.

Speaker 3 (37:17):
Yeah, Hey, Thomas is't best of luck waiting for her,
that's Thomas Collin and thank you, of course, the Herald's
deputy political editor in Pennsylvania. For us, this is Trump
speaking at his rally at the moment.

Speaker 15 (37:26):
This will be the golden age of America. Just a
few months ago in a beautiful field in Pennsylvania, not
far from where we are tonight, and Assassin tried to
stop our movement.

Speaker 5 (37:43):
But that brush with death did not stop us.

Speaker 15 (37:48):
It only made us more determined to finish the job.

Speaker 3 (37:52):
Doesn't want to let that one go, does he? Hey,
by the way, Knight's Choice Melbourne cap do you know
how much that one was paying oe hundred and fifty
one dollars to win? And talk to Labour next about
Chris Luxen's fluff this morning quarter pass. Hey picture this, Okay,
there's a ute driving down the motorway. It's got a
clothes dryer strapped down in the tray. The dryer is
plugged into a socket in the side of the ute
and it is on. The dryer is on and it's

(38:14):
drying a load of washing just while it's cruising on
the Newmarket flyover. You're not dreaming. This is what the
GM of bid did last week, showing off the bid
Shark six and its vehicle to load capabilities. The Shark six, how.

Speaker 5 (38:27):
Cool is that?

Speaker 3 (38:28):
Is New Zealand's first super hybrid ute. It's fast, four
hundred and thirty horse power to be exact, it's luxurious,
it's green, and it's loaded with tech. The Shark six
is the ute that's got the other ute makers shaking
in their boots.

Speaker 5 (38:39):
Now.

Speaker 3 (38:39):
There are just one hundred and fifty vehicles left at
the special launch price of sixty nine nine hundred and
ninety dollars plus on road costs. If you order it today,
you can expect delivery in February twenty twenty five. That's
February next year. There are three colors available. You've got
Great White, Tidal black or deep Sea blue, and of
course got a full range of accessories like the canopies
and the hardlands and all the other stuff as well.

(39:00):
You get out online at byd dot bid auto. Let's
get this right byd auto, dot co dot MZ together
do for c Ellen. Hither my father in law just
put forty dollars on Night's Choice. Well, Ben, he's shouting
the drinks for the rest of the year, isn't he
is he's loaded now, isn't he? Nineteen past five? Now
the Prime Minister is coppying it for not being across

(39:20):
as brief. So this morning he was on with My Costing.
Mike asked him about the decision to give the boot
camp staff the right to use force outside of the
boot camps.

Speaker 20 (39:27):
This was his answer, It's not something I've been briefed on.
It's not something that I'm aware of. It's not something
that I would should be involved in. Those closest to
it should make those calls.

Speaker 3 (39:35):
Yeah, except it was something he was involved in a
because it was a decision that was taken by Cabinet,
which he's the chair of. Now Willow Jene Prime is
Labour spokesperson for Children with US. Now, hello, Willow Jane
killed at what do you make give him? Apparently not
remembering the decision that he's actually helped to make.

Speaker 22 (39:51):
It's deeply concerning that the Prime Minister is not across
the details of one of the key National Party election policies,
which is boot camps and the serious Young Offender category.
And it's deeply concerning because this is about children and
the fact that he is not across the details on
policy decisions that they are making is a real concern.

Speaker 3 (40:15):
Now as to the actual substance here, do you have
a problem with them extending the permission to use force,
which already exists inside the camps to outside the camps.

Speaker 22 (40:24):
Yes, that is a concern that many have. Because those many, I.

Speaker 3 (40:29):
Want to know what you think. Do you have that concern?

Speaker 22 (40:31):
So, I, along with the Children's Commissioner and other MPs
that have spoken today for Tipkins, we all have concerns
about the extension of these powers to third party providers
in boot camps. The government has this problem because they
have created boot camp that legislation doesn't currently provide for this.

(40:52):
In order for them to be able to deliver their
program that they want to, they are having to look
at the extension outside of our centers of detention and
gaving powers to people who are not don't currently have
those powers to be able to use force on children.

Speaker 3 (41:10):
Yeah, but so what's the problem. I mean, these are
Willo Gene. These are not cool kids. They're not good kids, right,
They're not kids with good manners and good behavior. They
are problematic kids. And if they want to go and
have a nor hall at the Marai, then the Marai
staff have to be able to restrain them if they
try to smack other kids around.

Speaker 7 (41:26):
Right.

Speaker 22 (41:27):
The issue here, Heather, is that there are currently no
safeguards in place, There are no protection mechanisms, there are
no details around the faith guarding of this. The boot
camps are already an experiment.

Speaker 3 (41:43):
We have no no, no gene I. Stop stop making
us bigger than it is. Stop making us bigger than
it is. Talk to me about this. Do you seriously
think that one of these kids who is like liable
for ten years in jail should be able to go
and stay the night at the marai and those staff
they have no ability to use force and restrain them.
They start bashing the stuff.

Speaker 22 (42:03):
The issue that we have here, Heather, is that the
government has absolutely no details in their cabinet paper about
the safeguards that need to be put in place. Who
ensure the very real risk of abuse happening, the abuse
of this power happening, that they.

Speaker 3 (42:21):
Have not see this power. You tell me how you
see this power being abused? How is this power going
to be abused?

Speaker 22 (42:29):
So as we have evidence from the Royal Commission, this
is not.

Speaker 3 (42:32):
The nineteen seventies Willow Jeane we're talking about now, we're
talking about really naughty kids, talking about very very bad
kids going to stay somewhere as a privilege, and how
is this going to be abused against them? The ability
to restrain them, how is it going to be abused?

Speaker 22 (42:47):
So the Royal Commission will tell you that these were
very naughty kids who needed to be obtained in the
past and who were abused in those facilities. What they
have recommended and found in that report and recommended is
that there needs be appropriate safeguards put in place to
ensure that abuse cannot happen in these settings. And what

(43:09):
we are saying is from the cabinet paper that has
been leaked, there are absolutely no details around the safeguarding provisions.
The Children's Commissioner has concerned that there are no details,
that she has not been consulted, that children's rights are
not being considered in the development of this policy, and
I share those concerns.

Speaker 3 (43:28):
All right, hey, thank you for articulating that. Appreciated as
Willow Gen, Prime Labor Spokesperson for Children five twenty three.

Speaker 1 (43:34):
Heather Duplicy Ellen cutting through the noise to get the facts.
It's Heather Duplicy Allen, Drive with One New Zealand. Let's
get connected and news talk.

Speaker 3 (43:43):
As they'd be whether are they children or other young criminals,
because there is a big difference. They are young criminals.
They are the worst of the young criminals that we've got.
So yeah, looking forward to someone getting a bash from them.
Obviously not listen. We started the show with a reality check.
Here's another reality check for you. Okay, if you didn't

(44:05):
catch three News last night, it's actually worth going back
and finding the story that they ran about the landlord
because it is shocking. And I have to be honest,
I'm not easily shocked by property damage because I've seen
a fair bit of it in my time. I grew
up in a pretty rough part of Auckland, so it
takes a lot to shock me with a a bit
of a mess of a property. But this one shocked me.
This landlord allowed three News to go into his property

(44:25):
to see the state of the place after he managed
to get his tenants finally evicted. There were dirty nappies
lying on the ground, there were big lumps of dog
poo just on the carpet inside the house, the washing
in the laundry. It was just like a small laundry
sort of like a like a you know when you've
got a single toilet, like that kind of small room vibe.
That laundry was piled with clothing up to and I

(44:48):
am not lying to you shoulder height. There's rubbish everywhere
inside the place has been trashed, rubbish all over the backyard.
The backyard's completely overgrown, defrosted chicken going off in the fridge.
It's a complete mess. And they've actually, by the looks
of things, tried to make a mess of the place
on the way out. This is the third place that
the landlord has had trashed by tenants. The last one

(45:10):
cost him eighty thousand dollars to fix, and the tendency
Tribune will order the tenants to pay some of that,
but only a fraction, only eighteen thousand out of eighty thousand.
And he's not seeing the money. And let's be honest
about it. We live in the real world. Hey, I
ain't gonna see a cent is he?

Speaker 6 (45:24):
Now?

Speaker 3 (45:25):
The reason I reckon you should go back and have
a look at this is because this is not the
version of the tenant landlord story that we get very often,
is it. I mean, usually what we get is a
SOB story about how badly tenants are treated by landlords.
And look, there will absolutely be some landlords out there
who are bad landlords. But equally, there are some very
bad tenants out there, and we don't get to see
that very often, do we very rarely Also do we
get to see how badly it can go for the landlord.

(45:47):
But here's an example, And I would argue that when
it goes badly for landlords, it's actually worse for them
than it is for tenants when it goes badly, Because
if it's bad for a tenant, look, it's not great,
they got a move, it's costly, that's not a great vibe.
But if it's bad for a landlord, they lose more
money in one go, then you would get that a
lot of people get in yearly wages, as this story

(46:10):
illustrates it. Go and have a look. Heaver Duplicy Allen
Heather Corporate Cabs Airport in Aucklandton Freeman's Bay at the
weekend one hundred and fifty dollars. One hundred and fifty dollars. Now,
I would be traveling from a roughly same part of
town to the airport. I'd pay fifty bucks in an Uber,
so got to get the public servants onto the Uber,

(46:32):
Heather MB staff are allowed to use Uber, but they're
not allowed to use the corporate cabs, so it's the
other way around. So anyway, Todd Stevenson from Actor is
going to be with us shortly on that news talks'db.

Speaker 1 (46:45):
Hard questions, strong opinion, Heather Duplicy Ellen drive with one
New Zealand let's get connected and news talk as they'd be.

Speaker 3 (47:02):
Right, how do you standing by? I'm going to talk
about recruitment and young people struggling to find summer jobs.
After six, I'll hit you across that. Carmel has turned up,
so thank goodness for Thomas Coglan. Lady Gargar turned up.
She did a few little songs saying sit behind the piano,
did Lady Gargar thing that would have kept Thomas entertained

(47:23):
for a little bit. Now Carmela's speaking, and as soon
as Carmla say something interesting will bring you some of
that hither. Those kids can harm anyone without restraint is
absolutely crazy. Is Willow Jen crazy?

Speaker 5 (47:33):
Yes?

Speaker 3 (47:33):
This is the thing, right, is like I get that
you don't want to be hurting the kids and you
want to have some barriers there. But bigger problem. The
kids are a bigger problem, aren't they the way that
they behave hither I watch my parents dealing with residential
tenants for decades. They were good landlords. They didn't increase
the rent for years for good tenants. The filth that
I saw them clean over the years, and yes they
cleaned it themselves, and the rent not paid. Also there

(47:54):
were good tenants amongst them, but they were the minority.
I will never be a residential landlord, not just empty.
I've assessed it and decided not to three times over
the last three years. A lot of people make that
decision to bloody harday twenty three away from six ever
due for cellen Now there is a push to get
public servants using the ubers rather than the taxis to
try to save some money. It's come from the ACT Party,
MP Todd Stevenson, who's written to the new State Services Commissioner.

(48:17):
Brian wrote to try to get him to change the rules.
In Todd's with us, a Todd, hello, how are you well?
Thank you? Are these actually the rules? Because I've got
a text before saying MB staff are told they have
to use ubers and not corporate cabs.

Speaker 19 (48:29):
Well, that's actually very encouraging. I think there's basically a
lot of inconsistency. And when I wrote to the Public
Service Commissioner, I said, look, it seems to be there.
It seems to be some blanket rules they can't be
used to send me some inconsistencies. Can you just kind
of do across the public service ruling that it is
an option, So again not making people do it, but

(48:49):
saying yes, you are allowed to use a right Chavis
like Uber.

Speaker 3 (48:53):
So in some instances they're actually not allowed.

Speaker 19 (48:56):
Yes, yes, definitely some departments they are not allowed. Why
then they wouldn't Well it's a great question here. Maybe
it's historic, but yeah, if they try to caim back
using a venuba, for example, then they wouldn't get reindressed.

Speaker 4 (49:11):
Why do they're not explain?

Speaker 19 (49:13):
Well, yeah, I don't know. It's a great question. Look,
it may be historic. I mean about you know, a
decade ago when Uber was getting going, they did actually
operate in a bit of a gray area. But if
you know now hither you know it's very well regulated because.

Speaker 3 (49:25):
Because when you get your little luber thing that says
you caught the ride from here to hear it like
it's quite comprehensive, you know what I mean. Like it's
it's actively more comprehensive than anything you'd get from a taxi,
isn't it.

Speaker 19 (49:35):
That's sort of and that's why I like it. I mean,
you know, I think before the news you were talking
about the cost of going somewhere where you can sent
advance it with Aneuber how much it's going to cost. Right,
you get the exact trip detail, where you went to
where you went common that's fire arms it all the time.
And then I can just you know, pull down the
the receipts out of my out of my app, which
is great because you don't lose any paperwork.

Speaker 3 (49:55):
What about you've got this school, You've got this cool option.
We've got this at work where I I can have
my personal Uber account, but then there's the work credit
card loaded, so I can actually use the work credit
card account if I need to. And it gets like
it's on it's incumbent on me to obviously be sensible
and not do the wrong way around, but that surely
would like is up on a thousand times on the
admin that a department would have to.

Speaker 19 (50:15):
Do absolutely and in fact, I use that exact feature
as well. I actually used it before I came to
parlant my corporate life. The other great thing too, hither
is if you actually do make a mistake, is actual
an option you can go back and actually have the
transaction reversed right but actually credits the right card, as
long as you do it within within a few hours
of the trip. So look, I think there's a lot

(50:36):
of advantages to it. Always saying is let's just make
it an option. What you know absolutely available across the
public service. A lot of public so we're very happy
to do it. You know, they probably find uber convenient.

Speaker 3 (50:48):
Like you know, Todd, did you when you're off a
sweep steak?

Speaker 19 (50:52):
I did you heard that?

Speaker 3 (50:53):
Now I heard that? How much money did you put in?

Speaker 19 (50:56):
Look, we all put in. There are five dollars tickets.
I had a couple of tickets. We had had two
sweet steaks, so I won about one hundred dollars.

Speaker 3 (51:02):
So you guys are obsessed with money at the act party,
like you, you're really keen on not spending too much.
We've had a debate in our office. We had to
put ten bucks in. Is that too much? Do you
think for an office sweep steak.

Speaker 19 (51:12):
No, I think I think kick it around final ten
dollars is all right?

Speaker 3 (51:15):
Yeah, okay, okay, okay, thank you. X Party says is okay, Todd,
Thank you, Todd Stevenson ex Party MP nineteen away from
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Speaker 3 (51:27):
I want to hear a bit of Lady Gaga here go.

Speaker 23 (51:31):
Yes Mary.

Speaker 3 (51:36):
My I don't know is that going to make you
want to go out and vote or are you just
going to be like I'm no, it's a bit, it's
a bit down. Buzz fellow Riley Iron Duke, partners of
Mark Sainsbury Broadcaster with us on the huddle. Hello you too,
hey done er, yeh good, thank you?

Speaker 4 (51:53):
What do you reckon?

Speaker 3 (51:53):
Is ten dollars too much Phil for an office sweepstake?
Because the reason I'm asking this, it's not like a
ten dollar bet. This is a ten dollars lucky dip,
isn't it.

Speaker 24 (52:02):
Yeah.

Speaker 8 (52:02):
I'm actually astral and Hi Commission Heather and they've got
five and ten dollars tickets in the sweep. I've just
walked away from the excitement of the Melbourne Cup to
talk to you more exciting, I know than the Melbourne
Cup faction. But yeah, that's right. So five I reckontend's okay.
I think nothing works, it's okay. And if you don't
want to do it in five fine, because it's it's
not about the money, it's about the fun and you know,

(52:23):
having a bit of a steak in the horses. The
nag goes down the racecourse. My two are still running,
actually they're still coming, haven't actually finished yet. It's just
a bit of a contribution, isn't it a bit of fun?
And as long as everyone's comfortable, we should move.

Speaker 3 (52:37):
On totally says, are you also out partying or did
no one invite you out?

Speaker 6 (52:41):
No?

Speaker 24 (52:41):
No, And here's the thing. Melbourne Cup needs to be
such a big event. I think if you're involved via
at something like the High Commission with fillers or you're
doing off for sweet steak. But if you're at home
being an American elleching tragic watching all the final addresses,
just like past.

Speaker 7 (52:57):
And here's the annoying thing.

Speaker 24 (52:58):
Had I gone to a party, had they ben gone
down to the tab I probably almost certainly would have
put a bet on the winner because it was trained
by Sheila Lackson.

Speaker 3 (53:08):
And so does this rip your nicety that it was
one hundred and fifty one dollars?

Speaker 24 (53:14):
I know, but that's because it's more around that, you know,
I didn't you don't feel compelled to go and have
a bet. It's around the social occasion of the molar
and if you're not involved in that, you don't pack
a good look at the field and you don't see
your horse, you would have punted on.

Speaker 3 (53:28):
Oh I'm so, I'm gutted for you. Now listen, okay,
fell onto something serious. Do you have a problem with
the use of force being extended beyond the boot campgate?

Speaker 8 (53:40):
Well, this is a really complicated issue, isn't it, Because
a lot of the kids that will beyond that have
already experienced plants and so you need to be very
cautious about how you play that out. But you know,
it's the classic of where you want to think it
through carefully and come up with a solution. And it's
just terrible for me to opine on one thing or

(54:00):
the other.

Speaker 3 (54:00):
But still, this is a situation you have. These are
the like, literally the naughtiest kids in the country. So
Let's say one of them, they go nor Hormat either
staying the night, somebody gets slippy to them, they start
giving the kid the bash. I mean, what we're talking
about here is is not spanking this child. It's literally
the ability to grab them and tackle them to the

(54:21):
ground and stop them giving somebody else the bash.

Speaker 8 (54:23):
Of course, that's right, and if that's the case, that's
the case that it might be supported. My point is
that these kids are already damaged by violence anyway. Yeah,
so the last thing you want to do is just
carry that whole thing on, because that's the opposite of
what the whole boot camp experience is likely to be.
But at the same time, here, of course you want
to make sure that you don't just give them a flower,
because that's not going to work. Yeah, so you've got
to have this middle way, which is what the cabinet

(54:45):
paper was all about. I suspect, and what, of course
our Prime Minister did not a great job of trying
to explain to Osking this morning.

Speaker 3 (54:52):
No, and we're going to come back to that, says
I want your take. We'll get it after the break.
Sixteen away from six.

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Speaker 3 (55:03):
Right, we're back with with Huddle Mark Sainsbury filler. Riley says, so,
what do you think is it okay to allow these
people to restrain these kids of fair places?

Speaker 24 (55:10):
Like might I well, the devil is always going to
be in the detail. I mean, their argument is we
have the rights to restrain them when they're in the
boot camp or any other sort of youth customy situation.
It's when they're going to outside areas. So that's sort
to extend that out well, you know, like as philm says,
it's a these are damaged kids, so you need to

(55:30):
see what is the you know, what are the guidelines
the regulations of safeguards around putting these you know, and
they may be little absolute whatevers, but they're still vulnerable
kids outside the system then under the care of other people.
And I think, and I just I thought it was
astonishing this morning. Quite frankly, what was astonishing I thought

(55:52):
Mike's interview.

Speaker 3 (55:53):
Oh you think Luxeon's performance was astonishing?

Speaker 24 (55:55):
Yeah, why, well, just because he just didn't seem yeah,
it's just loose not on top of it, wasn't aware
of something that was signed off at at a meeting.

Speaker 3 (56:04):
He was cheering, Yeah, yeah, totally Yeah, Phil, I think
this was really bad for him.

Speaker 5 (56:09):
What do you think.

Speaker 8 (56:10):
Yeah, it demonstrated that he's not yet a politician. Actually,
when you think about I mean you and you and
Mark will both know that great politicians could have just
flanneled their way through that with Oskin this morning, they
just come up with some lines and you know, blah blah,
and Hosking would have moved on to the next question.
To his credit, Luxon tried to answer it. That's a
good thing. So he did try to answer it. But

(56:31):
of course the downside is he's not a politician. Every
politician knows you need to be on top of all
of that detail and you need minders who are briefing
you about that before you go in the room. Now,
clearly that didn't occur, and so he's just demonstrating. I
think he's an experience as a politician, and if he
doesn't get on top of that, it'll cause them some damage.

Speaker 3 (56:49):
But also even I think the problem starts even earlier
than trying to flannel his way through that interview. Phil,
I think the problem starts with when you are sitting
in the cabinet. You're sitting in cabinet and you are
making a decision about boot camps. You know, you're delivering
an apology on the state of you know, the abuse
and state care stuff. You know this is going to
be really high up there and political risks for your government.

(57:10):
The boot camps are especially. You should pay attention to
every single decision that is being made around boot camps.
Lock it in your head and do not forget it
because it's high risk stuff.

Speaker 8 (57:19):
Yes, completely agree. And what's more, you should, with your
political advisors in your press secretary, come up with a
line that ordinary people completely understand about why you're doing it.
That was that's the genius of great politicians like Allen
Clark and John Keith. And he doesn't have it yet.

Speaker 3 (57:35):
And this is the thing, says, because you were around
during the Helen Clark years, he would not have she
would not have forgotten this.

Speaker 24 (57:41):
It's funny you say, you say that was when I
when I saw when I heard that, and I had
seen all the rest of the stories on it, the
first thing I thought was, jeep, is it wouldn't have
happened done to Helen Clark.

Speaker 13 (57:51):
I mean she was.

Speaker 24 (57:52):
I mean she was always on top of absolutely anything.
Or as philm says, if you're not, you know how
to get your way out of it. Mean it was, yeah,
it was, it was.

Speaker 7 (58:02):
It was a classic.

Speaker 5 (58:03):
It really was.

Speaker 3 (58:04):
Now, okay, so saying, so you weren't doing the Melbourne Cup,
you were watching the rallies. Give me your last call
before tomorrow. Who wins it?

Speaker 24 (58:12):
I see its head or heart stuff. But I'll tell
you what's boyed me a bit. There was an Iowa
poll woman Ann Selza did that. Now, I was never
in the mix, all right, but it's shining a shift
and voting and this still comes back to them.

Speaker 7 (58:25):
I think it's going to be the big slip.

Speaker 24 (58:27):
Well it's been out there, but an underestimated issue, the
woman's rights to her own body issue is I think
is starting to become.

Speaker 3 (58:34):
You are wishful thinking, aren't you? You a wishful thinking?

Speaker 7 (58:37):
Right?

Speaker 5 (58:37):
Well, there's a there's a bit of that and this.

Speaker 24 (58:39):
But but I watched a Trump looks he looks if
you predictarly a purely on their demeanor, on how they.

Speaker 4 (58:47):
Look today, you'd think Harris was was ten points ahead.

Speaker 24 (58:51):
Interesting, rambling, tired, didn't want to be there. The crowd
was muted.

Speaker 3 (58:58):
Yeah he is getting he's on the old side, Phil,
What do you reckon?

Speaker 5 (59:00):
What's your final call?

Speaker 8 (59:02):
It's just a guess. And if I was going to
guess anything, I guess Trump because I take the view
that campaigns win elections when they're that close, and I
think Trump's had the bigger campaign.

Speaker 6 (59:12):
I haven't seen them today, Phil, Are you still there?

Speaker 3 (59:16):
Just just to have a look at your phone. You
may have muted yourself with your cheek. Yeah you've muted yourself.

Speaker 6 (59:21):
Done that?

Speaker 8 (59:22):
Yeah, we go, I got I've got a fat cheek.
So it's just a guess, isn't it. But if I
was to choose anybody right now, I just guess Trump
because the argument might be that campaigns when elections, and
on that basis, he's had the better campaign, I think.
But I think Sains is right in the sense that
also turn out whin's elections is the point of me

(59:42):
among a lot of people. The polls are intentions to vote.
Who's actually going to vote? And I think I think
actually Kamala Harris will get her vote out and Trump
may not. So it's a knife edge and we won't
know what, I suspect for some time because there's going
to be a lot of disputation. But I got to
pick Trump. But I kind of hope for the sake
of global geopolitics and the stability of things. I kind

(01:00:04):
of hope Harris. But I don't hope Harris in the
sense that she's going to be any good for New Zealand.
None of them are. Neither of them are neither. It's
going to be great for trade and the kinds of
things we need. So it's a you know, it's a
bit of a moot point. Who went from my perspective
as a New Zealander.

Speaker 3 (01:00:18):
Yeah, say so, can I just give you credit for
your your your real quick? I've done that before, just
to help help a mate out that was decent.

Speaker 24 (01:00:26):
I've got the bony ere and I'll be talking the
way to someone and then they're going hello, Hello, and
I look at my phone. A bony bit of my
ear has hit the mute designed by Apple just to
catch I.

Speaker 5 (01:00:37):
Love it as whiskers.

Speaker 8 (01:00:39):
Actually that doesn't.

Speaker 3 (01:00:39):
Yeah, so the bony hard part of the whisker. Hey, guys,
thanks very much appreciated. Fellow Riley Mark Sainsbury Huddle enjoy
it tomorrow. And by the way, yes fair on the show,
we had the US polster Henry Olsen. He thinks he
remember how he said he made a call and it
was going to be publishing the New York Post today.
I've got it for you, he thinks, not even close.

(01:01:01):
Trumped on the night big time. I'll read it to
you before the end of the program. Steven away from six.

Speaker 4 (01:01:05):
Red or blue? Trump or Harrison? Who will win the
battleground states?

Speaker 1 (01:01:09):
The latest on the US election is hither duplicy Alan
drive with one New Zealand let's get connected, use talks.

Speaker 4 (01:01:16):
It'd be.

Speaker 3 (01:01:19):
Five away from six. So here's Calmela talking at the rally.
So with only a few hours left, we still have
work to do. And as you've heard me say before,
we like hard work. Hard work is good work, hard
work is joyful work. And make no mistake, we will win.

(01:01:41):
And she literally has walked off the stage. She was
there for twenty minutes and gone. This is the last bit.
Do we believe in freedom? Do we believe in opportunity?
Do we believe in the promise of America?

Speaker 4 (01:02:00):
Well?

Speaker 3 (01:02:01):
Running to fight floid.

Speaker 9 (01:02:05):
When we find.

Speaker 1 (01:02:06):
Sweet God bless you ain't God bless the United States
something so.

Speaker 3 (01:02:14):
Poor Aunt Thomas was standing there for eight hours for
her to come on the chisel, like eight and a
half hours, just on for twenty minutes and then that's
the end of it. Anyway. Whatever. Listen, So something weird's
going on Inland revenue.

Speaker 5 (01:02:26):
Now.

Speaker 3 (01:02:26):
You remember how they were busted for giving our details
to Facebook and LinkedIn and hashed form, which means it
was just like semi anonymous stuff, but not really. It
now turns out that they've actually given a whole bunch
of data to those guys completely raw. So they've just
given Facebook and LinkedIn names, addresses, and other contact details
of nearly two hundred and seventy thousand taxpayers. Now, the

(01:02:50):
reason that we know this is because when people were
complaining about the hash data, which is like semiid and
they went back and then oh discovered it. Oh discovered
they've just been given giving lots and lots of data
for free the wed to Facebook and LinkedIn. Here's the
weird thing about it, right, they say this is id
that they're doing it because they need the social media
companies to help them reach their target audience. What are

(01:03:14):
they talking about, like literally, they have your name, they
have your address, they have your email address. They can
text you, they can call you, they can do anything.
They can do whatever. They can look in your bank account.
I don't know, maybe they can't, but they literally can
get a hold on you. Why do they need to
go to a third party pay Facebook to get a
hold of you? If they see if I get a

(01:03:36):
letter from the ID, I'm gonna pay that a hell
of a lot more attention than I'm a Facebook ad.
How are we something weird going on? R something really weird?

Speaker 4 (01:03:43):
NEWSTALKSB keeping track of where the money is flowing.

Speaker 1 (01:03:50):
With the business hour, we'd hand the duplicy Ellen and
my hr on Newstalks.

Speaker 4 (01:03:55):
At b.

Speaker 5 (01:03:59):
IF.

Speaker 3 (01:04:00):
Coming up at the next hour, brad Olsen's going to
talk us through what the Reserve Bank is picking in
terms of the unemployment rate. Our wine exporters actually stand
to get pinged pretty hard if Trump wins because of
the tariffs. And we'll have a chat to Jamie McKay
about that. An Ende Brady is with us obviously out
of the UK. Now it's coming up eight past six.
Now students are struggling to find summer work with enormous

(01:04:20):
amounts of competition in the job market and businesses not
taking on as many applicants. At the moment, Retail New
Zealand says retailers had seen a much higher caliber of
people applying for jobs. Kate Ross is the founder of
Swivel Careers, which helps seventeen to twenty five year olds
find work, and she's with us now.

Speaker 19 (01:04:35):
Hey, Kate, hi, how's it going?

Speaker 5 (01:04:37):
Very good?

Speaker 3 (01:04:38):
Thank you? What's going on here? Why kids finding it
hard to find jobs?

Speaker 25 (01:04:43):
Well, the economy right now is just so tough. So
even people with qualifications, you know, are finding it hard
to find work. So, you know, further down the food chain,
when you've got students who've got you know, far less experience,
these less opportunities.

Speaker 3 (01:04:55):
And so as a result, you've got people people further
up the age brackets, presumably further up the experience chain,
they're unable to find work. That coming down pushing the
kids out.

Speaker 25 (01:05:05):
That's exactly right. And there's just not enough work out
there right now. With the economy that's been so slow
all year. The opportunities even for you know, the retailers
of hospitality, that's all slowed down, and that's generally where
you know, the students out of school get their their
weekend and their holiday work. So with university students now
leaving and less opportunities to go into corporate work, they're

(01:05:26):
unfortunately having to fall back onto that retail work, which
also isn't there. So there's a really big group of
individuals that are struggling to find employment.

Speaker 3 (01:05:35):
Worst you've ever seen, I think it's right up there.

Speaker 25 (01:05:38):
Like I managed a company through the recession, it was
different because obviously in the recession there was no jobs
for anyone, and there was organizations just closing left, right
and center. But for kids right now, for students right now,
to find work, it's really really tough. There's hundreds and
hundreds of applicants applying through second tradeing just for that
one role.

Speaker 5 (01:05:56):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:05:56):
Now, I mean we're talking about in some of the
cases right be talking about school aged kids. It's not
going to break their lives as that if they don't
find a summer job. But I imagine for some of them,
are you're getting up there in the twenty five year
twenty five year old that is actually quite significant, isn't it.

Speaker 25 (01:06:13):
It's really significant. And what we're also seeing is there
are a lot of people that are leaving university and
groups and just thinking, do you know what, I'm just
going to head to Australia hoping there's work over in Sidney,
in Melbourne because there's nothing here. And that's how they're
thinking at that young age. Normally we get at least
a couple of good years in the New Zealand market
before they decide to do their oe, but they're now thinking, right,
there's packs. I'm thinking, you know what, there's nothing here

(01:06:34):
for me, So I'm just going to go across the
burch and see if I can find something.

Speaker 3 (01:06:37):
Hey, Kate, so I've got a text you saying actually
students are looking in the wrong place for work. I'm
a student myself. There's plenty of jobs in ag and
horticulture picking fruit and such.

Speaker 25 (01:06:46):
So say that Christian again for Amist.

Speaker 3 (01:06:48):
So somebody's text in saying, actually there are plenty of
jobs available in agriculture and horticulture doing things like pecking fruit.

Speaker 25 (01:06:56):
I mean, yes, there's always that need because obviously at
this time of year with the summer coming on. But
that is the I that when you be your career
then great and it's a role that you can get
as a summer role. But not everybody lives in the
Hawk's Bay or lives in those fruit picking districts. So yes,
there's there's probably the opportunity there, but that's not going
to help everybody. There's a lot of people out there

(01:07:16):
and the cities and small towns that rely on that hospitality, retail,
tart work to keep them going in a little bit
petty cash.

Speaker 3 (01:07:24):
Yeah, fair enough, Kate, thank you for talking us through
to appreciate It's Kate Ross Swivel Careers. Trump is yet
to do his final rally, So Carmela's done hers. She's
off the stage with what's his name, Tim, Tim, the
husband Tim, mister Carmela. They've headed off so she could
get some sleep finally ahead of the big day. Trump
is yet to actually do his final speech. He's due
to appear in Michigan. I think it's after midnight. They're

(01:07:46):
already it is. It's ten past midnight in Michigan and
they're still waiting for him to appear. So because on
the huddle, I think it was Phil said that if
you just look at the demeanor of the two candidates,
you would think maybe it was saying so if you
look at the demeanor of the two candidates. You would
think he's defeated and she's she's the winner, but part

(01:08:06):
of that will be because he's naked. He will be
very tired. He's got twenty fiveish years on her, right,
and he's been remembered. When she was picked, he was
already campaigning, so he was campaigning. He'd already started campaigning
when they finally got round to picking her, and then
she started campaigning. He has been hitting it hard this
whole way through, and he's been doing more than she has,

(01:08:27):
right because she disappeared for days on time on end,
you know, going into the hotel rooms and preparing for
interviews and stuff like that. So I just reckon. The
guy's absolutely naked, and it's kind of, to be honest
with you, kind of impressive that he's still going to
do another one. Anyway, we'll keep you across it when
he does. Got a bit of an idea of how
Ron Mansfield is planning to defend the Tarmak. He's in
their trial. This is over them breaking the big lockdown

(01:08:48):
in Auckland at the end of twenty twenty one. The
fascinating thing about it is that there is no dispute
that they broke the lockdown is there because we all
saw with our own eyes. We saw the footage were
sitting there in our houses, all locked up in Level three,
and there they were having picnics in the domain. So
there's no doubt that they did it. So how do
you defend these charges. He's claiming that the reason they're
a trial at the moment is because there was political

(01:09:09):
pressure on the police to bring them to trial, to
charge these two, because the same charges have not been
laid against other groups who also protested despite lockdown rules,
other groups being, of course, the ground Swell guys, the farmers,
and the Black lives most notably and memorably the Black
Lives Matter guys. He has pointed out that there are
lots of emails between the Police Commissioner's Office and the

(01:09:31):
Department of the Prime Minister in Cabinet and also the
Ministry of Health, both of whom were copied into media
releases about the Tarmarques before the media releases were sent
out by the police. Now he's argued this is Ron
Manswell that the reason that all of these dudes are
in the loop, as in the Department of Prime Minister
in Cabinet and the Ministry of Health was because Parliament
and the Ministry of Health and the COVID Response Team

(01:09:54):
and the Police Ministry at the time, we're putting pressure
on the police to take action and prosecute the tarmarkies.
So interesting little argument developing their thirteen past.

Speaker 1 (01:10:01):
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Speaker 3 (01:10:16):
All right with me right now. Sixteen past six is
Brad Olson in for Metrics Principal economist, Hey, Brad Good evening,
Brad Listen. So we've seen the Reserve Banks Financial Stability
report out today. They are still holding out. I think
this is interesting. Haven't changed their prediction on what the
unemployment rate's going to do, held it since about August,
haven't that five point four percent? Yes, that's right, and in.

Speaker 26 (01:10:36):
A sense, I mean it's also important that it still
is going to take a while to get to that point.
That five point four percent peak is what they think
will get to sort of over the first six months
of twenty twenty five. So again, it doesn't come through immediately.
What was interesting looking through the Financial Stability Report was
just how much they highlighted that. Look, the domestic economy
obviously in a challenging position, and even with interest rates

(01:11:00):
coming down and starting to fall, the fact that you'll
still have further increases in unemployment. Obviously it's pretty difficult
for households to afford their mortgage at that point. So
the Reserve Bank still actually thinking that the proportion of
loans that are non performing and people that can't pay
their loans is expected to increase. It's currently at point
five percent of total loan values. That's the highest it's

(01:11:21):
been since around sort of twenty fourteen or so. So
you are really getting this message from the Reserve Bank,
and I think it is important that although interest rates
are starting to come down and there are better times
on the horizon, the economy is still in a pretty
difficult place for the next six to nine months until
those lower interest rates come through.

Speaker 3 (01:11:39):
Now, we were chatting yesterday to Steve Yukovich, the CEO
of Kiwi Bank. He says he's picking late this month
a fifty basis point cut no more because it's just
too much at seventy five, what do you think.

Speaker 26 (01:11:51):
Look, I think a lot might depend on actually on tomorrow,
not the US election outcome, but the latest labor market
data out from stats n Z expecting a five percent
unemployment rate to come through. But I think in a sense,
if there is a lot of the numbers are pretty
consistent at the moment that the economy continues to get weaker.

(01:12:12):
If you saw the unemployment rate though that sort of
was quite a bit above where the market and the
Reserve Bank we're thinking, if you saw wage pressures starting
to drop a lot quicker than might have been expected.
If you see that job hiring figure rarely come back,
and it has started two in recent times. We were
talking just last week about how there are twenty thousand
fewer jobs in the economy. So if all of that

(01:12:33):
data was particularly weaker, I think it could force the
Bank to still look at seventy five, and I sort
of hope that they do at least toss it up
in their meeting coming up later this month. But I
mean the central view, and my central view as well,
is still around that fifty basis points that would be
sort of the current normal expectation. But again I think
all eyes are on the data, all eyes also on

(01:12:55):
the rest of the world. Not only is there an
election in the US this week, there's also a new
announcement from the US Federal Reserve over what they want
to do with interest rates, So all of that I
think will go into the reserve banks thinking. But yep,
at the moment, fifty is still I think where the
smart money is. Although my Melbourne cup pick didn't go
well today, so it's always a challenging decision. Right do

(01:13:16):
you want to have a pick at the US election?

Speaker 5 (01:13:17):
Then?

Speaker 12 (01:13:18):
Ah, jeez, I really don't know what way it's going
to go.

Speaker 26 (01:13:22):
I feel like either way you've got some pretty different
outcomes that are coming through. I think by a slim,
slim margin, I think it'll go to Harris.

Speaker 3 (01:13:29):
What that is wishful thinking, Brad, isn't it?

Speaker 6 (01:13:33):
Oh?

Speaker 26 (01:13:33):
Well, I mean I think put it this way. If
it goes to Trump, I think there's a huge question
that can't really be answered tomorrow or even in the
next couple of weeks as to what that means for
the New Zealand economy at the very least, let alone
the global economy. Of course, inauguration doesn't happen till twenty
twentieth of January twenty twenty five. So a lot of
water to go under the bridge, no matter what happens

(01:13:54):
in the next twenty four hours.

Speaker 3 (01:13:55):
So you make a very good point, Hey, Brad, Thank
you very much. Brad Olson, Infametrics principal economist. Poor Brad.
I'm just like stabbing at him with that wishful thinking.
We are going to the Tariff's thing is big. I
was actually speaking to somebody involved in the wine industry
earlier today about how they're going to be impacted by it,
and it is big. We're gonna talk to Jamie McKay
about it shortly. But listen, No Trump wins tomorrow, and
I'm gonna tell you why. I mean, I've given you

(01:14:16):
a bunch of arguments over the last few weeks. But
Henry Olsen, who was on the show yesterday, I've dug
up his opinion piece that he told us about, which
is on the New York Post today. This is what
it says. This race is close, but I'm predicting Donald
Trump wins the electoral College and possibly the popular vote.
He has This is Henry Olsen been picking elections for
twenty years. He says, the weight of the evidence leads

(01:14:38):
me to predict Donald Trump will win the electoral College
and could, under a best case scenario for Trump even
win the popular vote. I'm gonna explain my reasoning below. Nevertheless,
I'm locking in my final answer. Trump wins, and get
a load of this. Okay, the numbers are important. Trump
wins the Electoral College two hundred and ninety seven to
two hundred and forty one. Remember, all he needs is

(01:14:58):
to seventy one to win. He just needs to get
across that two seventy line. He wins it to ninety seven.
Now if he wins, If Henry Olsen's right, and he
wins it two ninety seven, I reckon, we know tomorrow.
I don't think we've got I don't reckon we've got
to wait around for Pennsylvania nonsense like that. It's not
going to take days or anything. You'll know tomorrow. If
it is as decisive as Henry Olsen says, Trump wins
the Electrocollege two ninety seven to two forty one. Karmala

(01:15:19):
Harris wins the popular vote four forty nine point six
to forty eight point three. That's what he thinks is
going to happen Trump's victory, our Congress goes to the
Republicans as well, and Trump's victory will also carry the
Republicans to enhance majorities in the House and a good
night in the Senate. The reason he thinks this is
for the following reasons. Harris, because the Republicans obviously split

(01:15:42):
for Trump, the Democrats split for Harris, but the Independence.
She only leads the Independence by two points, and that
is not enough to carry her over. She needs a
bigger margin than that to be able to win the election.
As I write this, Trump leads in five of the
seven swing states, trailing in Wisconsin by zero point two points.
That's nothing, and Michigan by zero point five that's nothing.

(01:16:05):
There's good reason to think the state Poles and Wisconsin
under estimate poll Trump polster Patrick Raffini found that the
state had the largest polling eras in twenty sixteen and
twenty twenty, both favoring Democrats by three points or more.
He also found that as of September this year, the
Pole still appeared to be overstating Harris by two point
six percent. So we'll see. Henry Olsen said it, Nate

(01:16:26):
Silver said it. Some other random people, including me have
said it. So we'll see if it comes to pass.
Six twenty two, The.

Speaker 4 (01:16:33):
Rural Report on hither due to see Allen Drive.

Speaker 3 (01:16:37):
I tell you what Trump is speaking in Michigan. So
he's finally turned up. He's actually been speaking probably for
at least the last five minutes or so. Tell you
what he has gone hard on that fakedna like he's
prepared himself. I think he might might be. What a
strategy on this may be is that you want to
look good on the day right the day before. It
doesn't really matter, so you want to look good for
the event, so you get it done a little hard

(01:16:57):
the day before, and then you like that that last
shower before the big day kind of washes off the
kind of extreme edge of it. So tomorrow he looks
he should look good tomorrow. Today he looks like a
ken dole that's been left outside to roast or something.
Six twenty five And with me right now, as Jamie mckaye,
Host of the Country, Hey, Jamie good I Heather, I.

Speaker 13 (01:17:17):
Reckon he's got the orange wall paint on to cover
the bags under his eyes. You can say what you
want about Trump, but at seventy eight years of age.
You have to admire his energy.

Speaker 3 (01:17:27):
Yeah, he's probably napping on the plane, don't you think
on the way over like he's he'll be doing like
newborn cat naps, won't he.

Speaker 13 (01:17:35):
Yeah, But I mean, you know, he hasn't had a
day off.

Speaker 5 (01:17:37):
He has.

Speaker 13 (01:17:37):
He had a game of golf for about six weeks apparently.
So no, No, he's a bit like Winston ageless from
that point of view. I admire his energy, if not
all his policies, and some of his policies Heather may
come home to roost far us here in New Zealand.

Speaker 3 (01:17:51):
Well, particularly when you think I was talking to somebody
in the wine business today and twenty percent tariffs, if
they are like, that's really going to hit them quite hard.
In the States, which is a big market for US.

Speaker 13 (01:18:01):
Well, it's our biggest market. I didn't realize that our
biggest export market. Excuse me, I'm a bit like Donald
in the South, losing the boards eight hundred million dollars
worth of export revenue last year to the US. Now,
our wines occupy kind of a mid range price point
in the US market, and some of the commentary around

(01:18:22):
this is that retailers would be very reluctant to increase
the price on a bottle fifteen to twenty dollars US
and that therefore the tariff could fall back on the
wine producers. So not so good for the wine producers.
Maybe not so good for the lamb producers either when
it comes to the red meat, because there are price

(01:18:43):
points at which lamb will just burn off the demand.
The interesting one, Heather, is beef. They literally cannot get
enough of our beef. And it's all for manufacturing, it's
all for hamburgers. McDonald's needs. McDonald's need everything we can produce,
and a bit more so. Once again, some of the

(01:19:03):
commentaries saying, whereas who will bear the cost of these tariffs,
and the first instance, that would be paid for by
us and porters, But the extent to which those costs
could be passed on to wholesale or resale or retail
customers depends on the bargaining power, and beef apparently has
a lot more bargaining power, so the tariff is unlikely

(01:19:24):
to fall on the New Zealand exporters. May not be
the same with our lamb and our wine.

Speaker 3 (01:19:30):
That's a very interesting, a little insight that you've got there, Jamie,
I appreciated. That's Jemie McKay, host of the Country, Heather
read the info DROPERYID, is there any way we can
find out if we are one of the two hundred
and seventy thousand taxpayers. I don't actually know the answer
to that question, but we're going to talk to David
Buckingham next, who's actually complained about this. He's one of
the people who sparked this complaint at the ID. Maybe

(01:19:51):
he knows the answers to ask him that question. Hey,
I'm hearing from the announcer that's me that she's willing
Trump to win every night. It might be a sad
program I'm later this week if he doesn't, well, I mean,
maybe it's a bit of wishful thinking on my part
because jes a bit funny next four years, wouldn't it?

Speaker 4 (01:20:06):
Headline's next, If it's to do with money, it matters
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Speaker 1 (01:20:11):
The Business Hour with Hither Duple Clean and my HR
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Speaker 3 (01:20:21):
Take Inder. Brady is going to be with us in
ten minutes time. Trump is speaking in Michigan for his
last rally before the big vote.

Speaker 15 (01:20:37):
We're in very good shape. I have to tell you
we're way up in terms of the vote, and I
don't want to talk too much about it because I
really want you to. I really want you to just
assume that it's sort of even and you're going to
turn out tomorrow and we're going to blow this thing away, because.

Speaker 5 (01:20:55):
You know we're leading.

Speaker 15 (01:20:59):
We're leading going in by hundreds of thousands of votes.
But just pretend we're tied or losing by a little bit,
because we want to put on a display tomorrow of
unity and everything the progress at this party has made
is incredible.

Speaker 3 (01:21:14):
It's funny that he said this because this is what
we were talking about myself and Laura of the Producer
in one of the ad breaks before, where these guys
have What they have to do is they have to
try very hard not to look like they're losing or
winning by too much, because if you win, if you
look like you're going to win by too much, people think, God,
honey to vote that Kamla's got it in the bag
or Trump's got in the bag. And if they're losing

(01:21:34):
by too much, then people won't vote because they go,
what's the point we're going to lose anyway, So you
want it to be like almost a dead heat, right,
so that people feel like they've got to vote. But
you need it to be a dead heat where you've
got the momentum. So and then he just basically he
just you're not supposed to say it out loud, but
Trump just says it doesn't He like, I want you
to think that it's a dead heat, but I want

(01:21:55):
you to come out of it, and went there you go.
He basically told you the strategy twenty two from seven
together do for sel now Enland Revenue has admitted it
gave Facebook the names, the addresses and other contact details
of almost two hundred and seventy thousand taxpayers. So you remember,
i ID has already got itself in a little bit
of trouble because it's been given these these encrypted bits
of information, hashed bits of information. But then when they

(01:22:17):
went in and looked at it, they realized they were
also giving out some raw information. David Buckingham is a
Queenstown employment relations consultant who first complained about this, and
he's with us.

Speaker 4 (01:22:25):
Now, hey, David, hey, good evening.

Speaker 3 (01:22:28):
This this is mental. I mean we thought that they
were at least trying to hide the stuff. Now it
turns out they're just giving the information over completely in
the raw form.

Speaker 4 (01:22:36):
Did this surprise you, Look, it actually did a little bit.

Speaker 11 (01:22:39):
I did actually think that they had some pretty good
processes around, at least hashing it. That wasn't really the
focus of my initial complaints. It was the fact that
information was being matched against databases that were in some
of the biggest data brokerages in world, people like Meta

(01:23:00):
that has a checkered history in terms of the way
that they deal with data. And look, I'm not suggesting
that I have any smoking gun evidence that they've done
anything illegal or wrong, but I was this is wrong
to you. I mean, this is wrong, and morally I
think it's wrong, but I'm not suggesting leaguesly wrong. What
I do say is is that when you upload hashed information,

(01:23:22):
and this is a way of scrambling things, and so
that there's also like a game of snap, sort of
a digital game of cryptographic snap. So that I face
as already has the information, they can kind of make
the inference that that's who they want to target. The
problem is this number one is identifiable to somebody with
this level of data. Second, of all, these were small batches.

(01:23:45):
These were little batches of data that were identified as
being attached to a particular taxpayer behavior. So let me
just give you a really a good metaphor. If I
gave you twenty ring binders, smaller ring binders with a
whole attached information on the side of it, and you
could say, well, that's sort of secure. I mean, I

(01:24:07):
still don't think it's right. But let's just say that
we run with what IID you've said, which is that
this data is scrambled. Nole's assuming that they are twenty
ring binders of the scrambled information, and on the binder,
on the outside binder of each one of these ring binders,
it's got a label on it with very specific taxpayer behavior.
That's what they've done. This report talks about what's in

(01:24:29):
the binder, and we're saying the breach of privacy was
the fact that their data was included within one of
those folders, right, and the label on the outside.

Speaker 3 (01:24:37):
Now, can you explain something to me, David, because I
don't get this, Okay, Ird, if there are a specific
taxpayer behavior that they're trying to stop, which is, let's
say I haven't paid my taxes and they're trying to
get a hold of me. Why don't they just take
the information they've already got, which is my name, my email,
my contact phone number, my address, and give me a call.
And so you haven't paid your tax, pay it. Why
do they need to go to Facebook to pay Facebook

(01:24:59):
to run an add at me.

Speaker 11 (01:25:02):
There's a brilliant question. But I get my notifications from
in the Revenue by way of this thing called my IR.
I can open up and I can read it. And
the way I discovered this was that I went digging
inside the privacy settings of Facebook. When I was on
Facebook obviously deleted my account, but when I was on Facebook,

(01:25:23):
I was going through the number of companies that were
disclosing my personal information two meta and by way of
doing that, I had this big, long list of companies
that had approached me. Look, I'll tell you something. When
I first actually emailed in the Revenue about this, and
I think it was March, the initial response internally, because

(01:25:45):
I've asked for this information under the privacy, the first
response was to say, well, we're just wondering if these
are just some sort of unfounded accusations. Well, today in
the Revenue. I've not only had to concede that they're
not only doing it, that there's time to pressure to
stop this practice.

Speaker 3 (01:26:02):
Yeah too, Right now, do you know if we can
find out if we're part of the two hundred and
seventy thousand taxpayers who just had our information handed to
meet her?

Speaker 11 (01:26:11):
What in the Revenue has said at the press conference
and then their media communications todays is that they're going
to be contacting those people in the next twenty four hours.
They say also that the other many hundreds of thousands
of people who may have got caught up in some
of these previous uploads of data. However, which way they
want to frame it that they don't even know They

(01:26:32):
don't know. The Commissioner the Day has been saying by
all reports, they're actually not sure and it would be
too hard together.

Speaker 3 (01:26:41):
Interesting, David, Thanks for runningus through to really appreciate that.
Buckingham Queen Sound Employment Relations consultant. What a waste of money.
You could just send me an email. Now you're paying
Facebook to target me with an ad. What a waste
of money. Hey, you remember Brad Olson just about half
an hour ago was talking about Hey, is Trump still speaking?

(01:27:01):
Don't know they might was probably he likes to go
for a couple of air and he's still speaking. He's
been going for about twenty five minutes at the stage,
and we go for.

Speaker 13 (01:27:09):
A long time.

Speaker 3 (01:27:09):
Remember it's coming up one am. Anyway, Remember how Brad
Olsoen was just talking about that Financial Stability report not
that long ago. Very interesting thing in it is that
the thing that our banks are most worried about as
as a potential precursor for a financial crisis is not
a deep recession. Right, This is what the Reserve Bank's
been assuming. It's been assuming that the thing that's going

(01:27:30):
to set off some sort of a financial crisis is
a deep recession or ant like a natural emergency like
an earthquake, or maybe a pandemic, or like some outbreak
of some hideous disease that's going to really affect our
exporters like foot in mouth. No, no, no, Apparently the
banks are worried about. And I'm not mocking the banks,
like I think this is worth listening to. Because the

(01:27:51):
banks are private enterprises, they will have their fingers on
the pulse. What they are most worried about is a war,
and they you would assume they didn't say what war,
they didn't say where in the world, but you would
assume immediately that it would be something involving Taiwan, because
that would be the closest thing to us, the closest
point to us where something could feasibly go wrong. As

(01:28:11):
a result of that, the Reserve Bank is now considering
incorporating geopolitical risks into the equation when it comes up
with scenarios for its own bank stress tests next year.
So when banks start to worry about the possibility of
a war, you should know that as that's not a
lunatic idea anymore. Sixteen away from seven.

Speaker 1 (01:28:29):
Croaching thumbs and getting the results, it's hither duplicy. Ellen
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Speaker 3 (01:28:40):
Ib Brady are UK correspondence with us now, Hey Enda.

Speaker 7 (01:28:43):
Hey Heather, great to speak to you again.

Speaker 3 (01:28:45):
So in your part of the world, our leaders preparing
for the possibility that either side could win.

Speaker 23 (01:28:51):
I think they absolutely are, and I think the majority
of European capitals and their leaders will be staying up
very very late into the night here, and I think
the majority of them will want Harris to win because
they just can't handle the unpredictability of Trump.

Speaker 7 (01:29:06):
They're worried about NATO.

Speaker 23 (01:29:08):
They're very, very worried about the USA pulling out with
NATO completely, as he has said if he comes back.
The war in Ukraine is still exercising minds as we
head deeper into winter. And I think the only kind
of people in Europe who will welcome a Trump victory
will be Victor Orban of Hungary. And the worrying thing
for the European Union is he has very much positioned

(01:29:29):
himself as Trump's best mate in Europe. He has stayed
at Mari Lago, he has spent time with Trump privately.
He's put a lot of effort into building this relationship
as Victor Orban of Hungary, and people are talking about
democratic backsliding in Hungary in the last decade under his rules.
So it's fascinating. Let's just see what happens.

Speaker 3 (01:29:48):
What's the most likely outcome for Ukraine if Trump wins.

Speaker 23 (01:29:53):
Look, he's saying that the war will end the very
next day after Trump comes in in January. And look,
I think Trump's plan is to get people to sit down,
knock heads together, and for Ukraine, to give up vast,
vast tracts of land like Donetsk, Luhansk.

Speaker 7 (01:30:10):
All of that area.

Speaker 23 (01:30:11):
Russia will obviously keep you Crimea. That is Trump's plan,
totally unacceptable to Zelenski and the Ukrainian people. I'm not
sure he has a plan, but overall, ultimately Trump will
be a disruptor if he comes in again.

Speaker 7 (01:30:27):
And I think that's why.

Speaker 23 (01:30:29):
Labor we're so keen to go and meet him in
the summer, Keir Starmer securing a two hour dinner in
New York with Trump because they do feel that it's
possible he can win this.

Speaker 3 (01:30:38):
Yeah, I think so. Hey, have you seen inside this
place in Chelsea that Tom Ford has bought.

Speaker 23 (01:30:43):
I've seen the outside of it. I've not been invited
in yet. One hundred and sixty million dollars my god,
and he doesn't. And obviously, you know there's a couple
of schools. I thought, here is the fashion designer Tom
Ford preparing for a life outside of America if Trump wins.
This purchase has been completed at lightning speed, and other
people are pointing out, hang on with the budget here

(01:31:05):
last Wednesday, he's got this over the line to save
on the increase in second home purchases, so there's a
property tax here every time you move.

Speaker 7 (01:31:13):
Second home purchases have rocketed under this new.

Speaker 23 (01:31:16):
Labor budget and the end result is he's saved himself
about three point two million dollars, not that he needs it,
having just sold his entire empire.

Speaker 7 (01:31:25):
To Esdale Order last year for about four billion dollars.

Speaker 3 (01:31:28):
Oh wow, okay, I was wondering how he was affording it.
Thanks for filling a net blank. How much is the university?
He's going to go up by so.

Speaker 23 (01:31:35):
Three point one percent from April, which will probably knock
on about eight hundred dollars a year onto your degree
tuition fees. So they currently stand at eighteen thousand dollars
a year. They'll go up to eighteen thousand, eight hundred
and Rachel Reeves, the Chancellor Finance minister who delivered this budget,
is very clear listening to her speak and the Education

(01:31:57):
Secretary as well, Bridget Phillipson, that the.

Speaker 7 (01:31:59):
Whole point of this rise is to get more value
from the universities and they addressed this.

Speaker 23 (01:32:05):
Squarely to the what they say are highly paid vice
chancellors that they need to be looking at their salaries
and bringing costs down now Turkeys are not going to
vote for Christmas, so the government may have to intervene
again at some stage. But ultimately everyone in university as
of April will be paying even more for their university fees.
And I find it amazing because a few years ago,

(01:32:26):
when he was in opposition, Keir Starmer said a Labor
government would scrap juition fees completely. And now they're hiking them.

Speaker 3 (01:32:33):
What a surprise. Hey, okay, listen, you know I think
I've talked to you about this before. What we have
to go here again because yesterday on the show we
were getting texts. This is a hit of the Rugby
met getting texts telling off the newsreaders for pronouncing Ireland
with the ir like Ireland. What is the right way
to do it? Is it Ireland or Ireland?

Speaker 23 (01:32:50):
Ireland is how I would pronounce it. But look, I
love the fact that there's even a conversation about it.
And look, if you want to hear Rugby commentaries, check
out the Irish pronunciation of some of your fellow's names.

Speaker 7 (01:33:01):
You'll die were.

Speaker 3 (01:33:03):
Speak English here? Inda, right, We're not. We're not speaking
any sort of weird Gaelic thing. We're speaking English. Do
you pronounce the R?

Speaker 7 (01:33:10):
I say it Ireland.

Speaker 3 (01:33:12):
I'm now Ireland in the world does not pronounce the.

Speaker 7 (01:33:15):
R English people. English people say Ireland.

Speaker 3 (01:33:19):
Oh, but they are pronouncing they are, aren't they. It's
just really softly, isn't it?

Speaker 23 (01:33:23):
Very very softly and almost dropped and the eye almost
runs through into the L.

Speaker 6 (01:33:27):
Look we just say Ireland and look at UK.

Speaker 3 (01:33:32):
So long as Ireland win, you're dreaming like you're dreaming,
you can get smashed.

Speaker 7 (01:33:37):
We've done it before.

Speaker 23 (01:33:38):
We're the only time we don't do it is when
it matters in a bloody World Cup.

Speaker 7 (01:33:42):
But anyway, there we are.

Speaker 3 (01:33:43):
Thank you for settling at Inda. I appreciate it. Indo Brady,
who's in for a said weekend? Said weekend after the
rugby UK corresponds Ireland the ego what's the problem stopping
weird about this? Please? Eight away from seven?

Speaker 4 (01:33:57):
Getting ready for a new administration in the US. What
will be the impact?

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Speaker 3 (01:34:21):
We can't be sure if Donald Trump is still speaking
or not because all of the networks have cut away
from him, ha ha, because it's still boring because it
just goes on and on and on and on, So
we don't know what's going on. He may well be speaking,
he may well not be. But anyway, kirkaha to everybody,
because we're dealing with us tomorrow and I'm quite excited.
I don't know if you have, but I'm quite excited
to find out how this particular cliffhanger ends. Five away

(01:34:43):
from seven here the Great Show. Sometimes you annoy me,
Thank you, Terry. So a bit of a whoopsie from Google.
Google has been accused by Ukraine of accidentally revealing where
Ukraine's key military positions are in maps. Because what looks
like what they've done is, you know Google Maps, which
you've got on your phone. You can have a look.
You can see like the map, but then you can
also go to the satellite image and you can see

(01:35:03):
what it really looks like from space. Unfortunately, they've done
an update of Google Maps with satellite photos taken in
the last year or so since September last year, accidentally
taken photos of the military setups have and they just
uploaded that to Google Maps, things like there's an airport
near Kiev and I've got this new air defense system
that's wrapped around it with you know, with like US
made Patriot anti aircraft missiles. You just go have a

(01:35:26):
look now and you can be oh, there's the missiles.
Coul We're not going to go there, says Russia because oh, look,
they've got an air defense system thanks Google Maps. Now,
apparently Google, they realize that they've stuffed up, and they've
tried to They're in touch with Ukraine and they're trying
to fix it, but it's probably too late because Moscow's
already onto it have started actively distributing the pictures and stuff. Listen,
how does this happen? Like if you're Google, surely surely

(01:35:51):
there are some places in the world where you're like, hey,
do you know what. There's a war going on in Ukraine,
So maybe we're just not going to do any updates
of Google Maps just around that particular active wall zone there,
and yeah, maybe just like because like that's been in
the news. Affair but hasn't it for a couple of
years now that that that particular thing is happening. So yeah, anyway, idiots.

Speaker 12 (01:36:10):
I land the idea of the Russian military brass though
sitting around sort of like strolling around on Google Earth.

Speaker 3 (01:36:16):
Being like that, and they have their own satellites.

Speaker 12 (01:36:17):
Well, this is what I was thinking.

Speaker 27 (01:36:18):
Surely the Russian military aren't, you know, just waiting for
Google to do an update before they update.

Speaker 3 (01:36:22):
The free though.

Speaker 12 (01:36:23):
They haven't been going as well as they thought in
this war, so maybe.

Speaker 3 (01:36:26):
They have been a lot cheaper than your own satellite.

Speaker 27 (01:36:28):
Very good for Michael Jackson thriller to play us out tonight.
The only music story in town at the moment. The
death said death Quincy Jones at his home in bel
Air at the age of ninety one. Worked with the Beatles, producer,
worked a lot with Michael Jackson, and died quite a
few film scores as well. So the entire entertainment world
is sending out tributes warm at the moment.

Speaker 3 (01:36:45):
Very big deal, very big deal, this guy. Enjoy see
you tomorrow for the big day. Karmela versus Trumpy News

Speaker 1 (01:37:16):
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