Full Show Podcast: 12 July 2024

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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Pressing the newsmakers to get the real story. It's Heather
Dupericy Ellen drive with One New Zealand let's get connected you.

Speaker 2 (00:10):
Storp said b.

Speaker 3 (00:13):
Tay good afternoon. Coming up on the show, We're going
to go to the US and have a chat to
news presenter Charles Feldman on how long Joe Biden has
before he's gone Burger. The lawyer for the crew on
the ferry say that that leaked report about what happened
is wrong. We're going to talk to the lawyer and
s BQR what a sad day. We're going to talk
to a longtime regular, our very own Kerry.

Speaker 2 (00:33):
Woodham, Heather duper Cy Ellen.

Speaker 3 (00:35):
Well, I think it's safe to say Joe Biden is
gone Burger. Don't you think? I mean, he can not
recover from this. He is going to have to pull
out of the race one hundred percent. I mean, just
yesterday Nancy Pelosi, who's one of the most senior members
of the Democratic Party said basically said he was on notice.
Basically said party just wanted to see how he was
going to handle the NATO summit and then they would
make some calls. And then what happened last day of

(00:57):
the NATO summits users Zelenski For Putin.

Speaker 4 (01:01):
I want to hand it over to the President of Ukraine,
who has as much courage as he has determination.

Speaker 2 (01:08):
Ladies, and John my President Putin.

Speaker 3 (01:10):
President Putin would love to be the president of Ukraine.
You're not supposed to be announcing that yet. And then
just a matter of hours later, all of a sudden,
his like arch nemesis, Donald Trump, is suddenly his vice president.

Speaker 4 (01:21):
I wouldn't have picked vice President Trump to be vice president?
Do I think she was not qualified to be president?

Speaker 5 (01:27):
Now?

Speaker 3 (01:28):
Look, honestly, I think this is today has just Today's
the thing. It sealed his fate because as hard as
he has tried since that awful debate to prove that
he's absolutely fine upstairs, he's done the opposite. I mean,
the reason that he called that press conference today and
made a real point of the fact that it was unscripted,
was designed to prove that he was totally fine. And
so we all tuned in, like the whole world tuned

(01:50):
in to watch it. All the world leaders would have
been watching as well. And what did he do? He
proved he was not fine upstairs. Now, don't make the
mistake of writing this off as just a couple of
slip ups. You know the rest of us will make
from time to time, Yes we do, But that is
not what this is. This is a man who is
clearly in mental decline and who knew that he had
to do his absolute best to just hold it together

(02:11):
for a couple of weeks to make everybody think that
he was okay, And despite his best efforts, for a
short period of time, he could not hold it together.
These are just the latest signs that Biden is not
up to it anymore. I mean, I don't know why
he doesn't quit, right, I mean, I think this is
the question everybody's asking why, And you just get out
of it, mate. The generous explanation is that he honestly
must believe that he is the only one who can

(02:33):
beat Trump, so he's doing everybody a favor by sticking
it in there. But a much generous, a much less
generous explanation is that he is now so bad that
he actually doesn't even realize how bad he is anymore.
But what is up against is this okay? Global superstar
and generally hot babe George Clooney has now publicly called

(02:54):
for him to step down. Nancy Pelosi has not endorsed
him and instead has basically put him on notice. Owners
are withholding cash from him. One very significant donor who's
the co founder of Netflix, has said publicly he needs
to go. And since the Putin and Trump mistakes, today
another three Demo Democrats of publicly claud on him to quit.
That brings the total of Democrats doing that to seventeen.

(03:14):
He cannot survive this. The pressure is too great. It
is now just a matter of time before Biden either
pulls out of the race or is fuced out.

Speaker 2 (03:21):
Heather Duplicy, Allen, it's ten.

Speaker 3 (03:23):
Pass for you, welcome to let me know what you think.
The text number is nine two ninety two are standard
text fees applying. Now. How about the war on cones?

Speaker 6 (03:30):
Man?

Speaker 3 (03:30):
I am here for this A the Transport Minister Simme
and Brown has started the war. He's planning, he says,
to roll out a risk based approach to temporary traffic management,
and he wants to get NZTA to release a quarterly
report on how much money they're actually spending on traffic management.
He says there are too many cones and the current
approach is out of control. Dave Tilton is the chair
of the Temporary Traffic Management Industry Steering Group, and he

(03:51):
joins us Now.

Speaker 7 (03:51):
Hey, Dave, hi here, how are you doing well?

Speaker 3 (03:54):
Thank you. Do you agree with him that there are
too many cones?

Speaker 7 (03:58):
I'd say in some places, yeah, I mean, ultimately it's
probably not that simple though. Cones ultimately serve a purpose
they're at all, and we are trying to keep people
safe in the road environment. That's road users and workers.
So it's absolutely true that that balance doesn't work sometimes
and there's an overuse of them. And really it comes

(04:19):
down to whether the risk has been assessed and it's
not quite matching how it's been treated.

Speaker 3 (04:23):
Yeah, what so is it a problem? That is what
explains me what's going on here is that NZTA turns
up to a site, assesses the risk and they're incorrectly
assessing the risk and then dumping too many cones there.
Or are the rules just so prescriptive that it doesn't
really matter what the risk is, they just end up
with too many cones.

Speaker 7 (04:41):
So I'd say it's more of the latter, and it
probably comes down to the system that we have and
have had for the last twenty plus years. So it's
a very prescriptive system and for the most part it
served its purpose. But it's certainly been identified and in
fact predates the current government. Is that met that that
process isn't really quite getting the right amount of TTM

(05:03):
and the purpose is to get just the right amount
of TTM, So just just the right amount so it's safe,
but not too much. That there's excess and there's waste,
but also not too little because of course that would
create safe stage.

Speaker 3 (05:14):
Mate, aren't we far away from having too little in
terms of cones?

Speaker 7 (05:19):
It's collectively if you looked at across the system. Yeah,
probably true, but also there's still there isn't there is
still a responsibility by everyone who undertakes activity in the
road to make sure that people are safe. You know,
there's plus nine hundred more than nine hundred people killed
in TTM environments.

Speaker 3 (05:36):
So are the last on pons Vy road right, They're
doing some work on pons and be road at the moment.
Kind of there by the intersection with williamsonab and I
walked past it today and I reckon those cones. I
mean like I didn't measure it with my eyes, but
I reckon that those cones on reflection would be like
thirty centimeters away from each other. That's way to me.
I didn't need that. If the cones were a meter

(05:56):
away from each other, I wasn't going to walk into
the road, was I.

Speaker 7 (06:00):
Yeah, I'd say that, And I don't know the specifics.
I haven't been our Posby road today, but I'd say
that those kind of scenarios are where the risk hasn't
been necessarily identified correctly and the treatment mismatches the risk.
So really the system we should have is where we
can design for the risk of a motorway is different
to a Pontibi road, which is different to a cul

(06:21):
de sac and in the back of Gisbon. That's we
should have a system that can incorporate a difference in
risk and therefore the treatment can be different. And at
the moment that's not quite outworks, which is why the
whole risk based TTM thing is is really a good,
good thing to explore.

Speaker 3 (06:37):
Yeah, yeah, Dave, how much does it cost to rent
one of those little cones every day?

Speaker 7 (06:40):
Well, I've seen that around the face and in fact,
actually that's not how it's charged for, so there's no
one really charges per currents it's always charging for the
for the plant, plant and and people and plus that's
what's the plant plant. As in trucks, it takes trucks
to put the put the equipment out, and of course
they sometimes users protective trucks, you know behind mons.

Speaker 3 (07:03):
You don't have like a traffic you don't have a
road cone company. It is the if you're hiring the trucks,
they come with the cones.

Speaker 7 (07:10):
Yeah, that's almost universally how it's done. Correct.

Speaker 3 (07:13):
And then how do you factor in the cost of
the cones because I mean, obviously, if you're just gonna
gar me one cone, we're going to give me fifty
thousand cones. This is a massive difference.

Speaker 7 (07:20):
Yeah, absolutely, But most traffic management companies themselves wouldn't charge
their way. But also a lot of traffic management is
done by the civil contractor themselves or by the contract
that's doing it. So there's an amount of subcontract to TTM,
but there's also quite a lot done by you know,
the organic entity that's doing the activity.

Speaker 3 (07:36):
Brilliant. Hey listen, Dave, thank you very much, man, I
really appreciate having chat to you about that. That's Dave Tilton,
who's the chair of the Temporary Traffic Management Industry Steering Group.
But somebody's going to go down Ponzibi Road. Now, measure
how far about those cones aren't proving completely wrong, eh,
But I mean point me to a site where there
aren't enough cones and I will eat my hat. Heather,
there's absolutely nothing wrong with wrong with Joe Biden. He's

(07:58):
at the top of his game. Cheers Donald Trump one
hundred percent. I would agree with that new polling out today,
which will absolutely cheer the NATS. I would imagine for
a couple of reasons. Labour's down to twenty six percent.
That's not that good as that, but I mean they
are the start of an opposition run. But man, if
you're in the mid twenties, that really sucks. National's gone

(08:18):
up to thirty eight percent. They'll be feeling reasonably okay about.
There's still not that great. The Greens are steady at
twelve and a half percent, Passimari is sitting at three
and a half percent, Actors on nine percent. New Zealand
First is up to seven percent. This is what the
NATS are going to be stoked about. Chris Luxon's preferred
prime minister polling is up a significant nine points in
just one month. He has now hit thirty five percent,

(08:39):
which I think is getting a little bit more into
respectable territory for him, and Chippy has fallen back to
only nineteen percent. Quarter past four.

Speaker 1 (08:46):
Digging deeper into the day's headlines, it's Heather duper c
Allen drive with one New Zealand one giant leap for business.

Speaker 2 (08:53):
You stalk, sa'd be Heather.

Speaker 3 (08:55):
Who do you think is going to hang around longer?
Joe Biden or Darlene Honestly, Michelle at the stage, probably
Darlene a because the pressure is more on Joe. I
like the world's pressure on is on Joe Biden. It's
just the Greens pressure on Darling, and I think there's
a difference there. Eighteen past four Jason Pine Weekend Sport
host with me now, Hey Piney.

Speaker 8 (09:13):
Hello Heather.

Speaker 3 (09:14):
Do you reason it's going to be as tight this
week the Test as it was last week?

Speaker 8 (09:17):
I think it'll be as competitive, whether the scoreline is
as tight, I guess well. I mean I kind of
feel like the All Blacks will win this one more comfortably.
I still think they'll win the game, But then I
thought they'd win by ten last week and it was
only a one pointer. Two teams that haven't really had
a lot of changes. The Orbacks have only made the
one enforced change with the half back change with t J.
Pet and Art are not there. From that, Christie comes

(09:39):
in off the beach with a debut. England They've had
to make a couple of changes, both in forced, but
so same groups of players really going at one another.
The Eden Park thing might be a thing. Allbacks don't
lose here very often. Thirty years since they lasted here.

Speaker 5 (09:53):
The rest we know.

Speaker 8 (09:54):
So yeah, I feel as though now they've had a
look at one another, the Orlacks will be better equipped
tomorrow night. So I've got them winning it a little
bit more comfortable.

Speaker 3 (10:01):
Interesting because I feel the opposite to you, Piney. I
feel like the English will have been given a little
bit more confidence, not only from the fact that they
only lost by one point, but also from the reaction
that they saw on Scott Robertson's face, which I think
you know they will have clocked that he was relieved, right.

Speaker 8 (10:19):
Yeah, yep, A very good point. I guess The counterpoint
is is do they think to themselves, man, we blew it.
We had a great chance last week to win on
New Zealand soil for the first time in a long time,
and we blew it. We lost by a point, we
could have won it we did it. Is that demotivating
or in fact, is it motivating to say, look, we
got so close. All we have to do is a

(10:40):
couple of things ten percent better and maybe we do
break that into nothing going to be a cracking game?

Speaker 3 (10:45):
Is Is it not possible also that they looked at
the performance like, give, let's be fair to the All Blacks,
or they only had ten days in camp. That's not
a hell of a long time, but they're hardly struggling
together a convincing performance. So is that possible that that
also gives the English a little bit more confidence?

Speaker 8 (11:00):
Absolutely? But the seven days extra now that the All
Blacks have had, plus the frame of reference in Dunedin,
you'd think, well, they would have made them improvements too.
Such a fascinating conversation, isn't it? Which ways are going
to go in terms of motivation? Demotivation? And look, I
don't think there's any lack of motivation there tomorrow night,
so equally good test matches we had last week, it's.

Speaker 3 (11:17):
Going to be good. Hey, do you reckon England will
win the Euro's Final?

Speaker 9 (11:21):
Thank god?

Speaker 8 (11:22):
I mean, there got more chance than the teams have,
aren't there. But you know, they've really stumbled and bumbled
their way through this tournament to a large degree. They
were good to get to the Netherlands, let's give them that,
but Spain of the favorite, very good team. But it
would not be at all surprising if England managed to
fluke it. And you'll hear that infernal song It's coming home,
coming home all day Monday, Heather and right through next

(11:43):
week for anybody or from anybody who you know who
was English, and there are a few of them around.

Speaker 3 (11:47):
Actually quite remarkable that they even made it this far,
given how lackluster their performance has been. Hey pony, thank
you really appreciate it. Jason Pine, Weekend Sport host, Hither
I've never seen a car bounce off a cone, so
it can't be that. It can't that more cones means
more safety. Very very good point, Kevin. I mean, let's
understand this right. The cones are not there. The cones

(12:08):
are not a protective barrier. The cones are there to
make sure that you absolutely have seen that something's going on,
and I guess the theory that they're working on is
that they if they lay a one hundred cones, it
is like a block of orange coming out. Yeah, you
can't miss it, or as it it's just a couple
of cones. It's gonna be a problem. It's gonna be
a problem for us to adjust a fewer cones on
the road because now we're so used to having like
all of these cones. If we only have five cones,

(12:30):
were like, probably nothing going on there. Just hit the
speed go sixty. Yay, here the rebiden. We need to
remember that often elderly people don't see the issues that
are obvious to everyone else. Is probably too old to
perform to handle the pressure. Now we need to be sympathetic.
We do need to be sympathetic, but we also need
to be hard like a parent, loving, but firm and

(12:51):
firm like you are out the door, mate, firm, because
this is too serious. You can't be having old mate
there ruining the place when he's run the free world.
Actually he does another weird thing I need to run past.
You'll do that next for twenty two.

Speaker 1 (13:04):
The name you trust to get the answers you need
Heather duples ce Alan drive with one New Zealand, let's
get connected and news talk as they'd be.

Speaker 3 (13:13):
For twenty five Heather, how can how on earth can
twelve out of every hundred care wes possibly think the
Greens of anything to offer them at beggars belief? It's because, Stephen,
It's because they really like that nice lady Darlene that
they voted for for twenty five. Now, this is the
other weird thing that Biden does, Okay, apart from like
the obvious mental decline that we're witnessing, And he did
this during the debate, and then he did this during

(13:35):
the press conference that he was holding yesterday today. Sorry,
he seems to randomly just remember that he needs to
pack some energy and then he ramps it up. But
it almost comes like you're not expecting it. It comes
out of nowhere, doesn't It doesn't sort of like increase
in energy to a crescendo is like he's just sort
of okay, and then all of a sudden, raw. It's

(13:57):
really weird.

Speaker 2 (13:57):
Have a listen a hand of the president.

Speaker 3 (14:01):
Lord, I'm doing Abiden, that's the wrong one. Hang on
to totally me. Try again. Here, I am throwing stones
at him.

Speaker 4 (14:06):
Control guns, not girls. I mean the idea we're sitting
around this were Kamas so good as well, we're sitting
around more children are killed at by a bullet in
any other cause of death the United States of America?
What hell are we doing?

Speaker 10 (14:26):
Do you see what I mean?

Speaker 3 (14:26):
Like, he's just talking nicely about Karmela and the ale
s more children and he just goes. Imagine having to
have a conversation with somebody who just randomly remembers he's
got to be angry about things here that yes, we're
also lamenting the closure of SPQR. Fifty basis points are
rate cut in August is now our call on the
day trading desk today, which well, well again so in
normal people's talk, what that person is saying they is

(14:48):
that they work at the bank and they are now
seeing how devastating this recession is. If even places like
SPQR are falling over, it is so devastating they now
think there's going to be a double cut in August.
There's obviously not going to be a double cut August.
There will be a single cut in November. But regardless,
very very sad news that ESPQR is in liquidation today
and that the doors are shut. I walked past it

(15:08):
this morning, was out for a morning walk to the
playground with the boy, and I'm sure that as I
was walking past, two people were looking in the window
and one of the staffers came and said, yeah, you're
going to be open in just a minute. I just
had to go to the gym, and I thought, oh,
that's quite interesting, and that it's even more interesting now
because apparently the place is not opening at all. As
I was saying before, this is an iconic place, right,

(15:29):
So you've got like a series of iconic places now
that have shut down because of how bad the economy is.
You've got Chapel just up the road on ponds of
your road. You've got SPQR, and you've got Smith and
Coe's as well. Now Smith and Cozy has been around
for one hundred years, has lasted through the Great Depression.
All this stuff can't cope with what we're going through
at the moment. Kerry Woodham huge fan. Many days.

Speaker 11 (15:49):
There.

Speaker 3 (15:49):
We'll talk us through at quarter past five headlines.

Speaker 1 (15:52):
Next, find your smart speaker on the iHeart app and
in your car on your drive home. Here the dup
to see Allen drive with one New Zealand. Let's get
connected and news talk as they'd be.

Speaker 3 (16:12):
Hey, this into island a stranded fairy saga is getting
quite curious, isn't it? Because the crew who were on
board the bridge, who have lawyered up, are now disputing
what the bosses say happened in that leaked demail. Remember
how the leaked email said that it was put into
autopilot properly and then somebody accidentally pressed an execute button
which caused the ferry to turn prematurely to the right,

(16:32):
and then they couldn't get it off the autopilot because
they didn't know that they had to press the kind
of disengage I suppose disengage the autopilot button for five seconds.
The lawyer who's representing the crew now says that they
dispute the report. Now he hasn't said at this point
yet what parts they dispute, but I think the clue
is in this bit from him. The crew had done

(16:52):
everything to rest back control of the ship that was
within their training and knowledge as expert, that was within
their training and note as experienced mariners. The lawyer then
believed further investigations would come down to exactly what their
training had covered. Now, this is what we were talking
about on the show yesterday. There is a very strong
possibility that the crew were not trained and so they

(17:16):
didn't know that they had to press the button down
for five seconds. So you can hardly blame them. We're
going to talk to him, Troy Slater. We're back with
us ten past five here the great show SPQR. Holy moly,
forty four dollars for a pasta dish and they wonder
why they're going into liquidation. To be fair, Jef, that
is a lot of money, and that will be part
of the problem. Right, you might have been able to
spare forty four bucks, you know, during COVID when you

(17:36):
were flush, but now you can't anymore. Heither the Great Depression,
two World Wars, and the GFC have nothing compared to
the Adrian Or engineered recession. That's right in the future,
in the writing of our history. In the future, we
will mark adrian Or as a massive global event as
far as this country goes with the economy. Twenty three

(17:57):
away from five.

Speaker 2 (17:58):
It's the world wire on news talks, it'd be drive.

Speaker 3 (18:02):
So Joe Biden says he's determined to stay in the
presidential race. He was once again asked about dropping out
after a NATO event where he accidentally mixed up Vladimir
Zelenski with Vladimir Putin and Kamala Harris with Donald Trump
and Joe Biden also denied that he's having to go
to bed earlier.

Speaker 4 (18:18):
And if you looked at my schedule since I made
that stupid mistake in the campaign, in the debate, I
mean my schedule has been full bore. I've done Where's
Trump at riding around his golf cart film out his
scorecard before he hits the ball.

Speaker 3 (18:35):
Two Russian born Australians have been charged with espionage Ossie
police so that the married couple got hold of Defense
force material to share with the Kremlin, but there was
no significant compromise of any military secrets. Here's the Ossie
Prime Minister Elbow.

Speaker 12 (18:47):
Australia's security agencies are doing their job and they're doing
it well. People will be held to account who interfere
with our national interests and that's precisely what these arrests represent.

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(19:21):
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Speaker 1 (19:32):
International Correspondence with Ends and Eye Insurance, Peace of Mind
for New Zealand Business.

Speaker 3 (19:37):
Dan Mattinson, US correspondents with US Now Hello Dan, Hi Heather.
How long do you give Biden before he drops out?

Speaker 6 (19:43):
I don't know. I am really on the fence with this.
I would have said maybe Monday. At this point, he's
got a one on one with the NBC anchor Lester
Holtz scheduled for then. I think a lot of people
were hoping that he would come out looking a little
bit better than he did with this new conference today.
I mean, the question is, really did he change the
mind of anybody of their perception of him? And I

(20:05):
don't think he did. I mean, did he show signs
of dementia. I don't think so. But did he come
across as an old man who's tired and can be forgetful. Yes,
and he is. And before, like you mentioned, before the conference,
when he was introducing President of Lensky, he said President Putin,
and then off the top of the conference when he
was taking Q and a's he meant to say Vice
President Kamala Harris and he said Vice President Donald Trump,

(20:28):
and of course the Trump campaign jumped on that immediately.

Speaker 3 (20:30):
Dan tell me, okay, so do you think this is
just age? You don't think that there is something going
on with his brain?

Speaker 6 (20:38):
I mean there could be, I mean obviously, I mean
I'm stating the obvious here. I'm not a doctor here,
but I think there could be. There could be dementia.
But I think more than anything, it is just age.
And I think you've got a person that has been
doing this most of his life and he is very tired.
He has given it his all and he doesn't have
anything left to give. And everybody is coming out like

(21:02):
this is just breaking news here, and that is the
frustrating part. This has been something that has been obvious
for the last couple of years, reporters have not pressed
him on it. I was disappointed by the questions asked
quite honestly by reporters today. I don't think they were
forceful enough with the President.

Speaker 3 (21:17):
Why would they not have been forceful enough? What would
have held them back?

Speaker 13 (21:20):
You know?

Speaker 6 (21:21):
I had a colleague that I used to work with
that asked me that and said, what would you have
asked him? And I said, well, they just didn't push
the questions. They were very superficial, I thought, very At
the very end, just before he walked out, Peter Alexander,
who's a White House correspondent for NBC News, was asking
him about the slip up that he gave with Kamala
Harris and Donald Trump right off the bat when he

(21:42):
had given that answer, and the reporter that asked him initially,
you should have followed through with that and said this
is an example, mister President right now. He didn't have
any idea of what he said. And we all do
that from time to time, we all, but this has
just been an ongoing thing with the President.

Speaker 3 (21:58):
I would imagine, you tell me what you think I
can't After these two blunders today, you had another three
Democrats come out, taking the total to seventeen calling for
him to resign. I would imagine that over the weekend
that's just going to add up.

Speaker 6 (22:08):
Oh, I think so. I think the Sunday talk shows
are going to be blowing up here. I mean, you
had Connecticut Representative Jim Hines, who's a top Democrat on
the House Intelligence Committee, and he came out and he
said right after this, he said, I hope Biden will
step away from his presidential campaign. You've got all these
big name donors, You've got people that are just not
answering the phone right now, and they're just saying, we
don't know what to do. The obvious choice is going

(22:30):
to be Kamala Harris, but as we've talked about before,
she's just not that popular with voters or with a
lot of people in the Democratic Party.

Speaker 3 (22:37):
A lot of people are hoping for Michelle Obama step forwarday, you.

Speaker 6 (22:41):
Know, they can hope. It's funny because her name has
not been floated around like it was six months or
a year ago that one of the one of the
names that came out of the blue again a pair
up of Hillary Clinton and Kamala Harris. Now, Clinton has
not been showing any kind of interest in this. And again,
if you were to have our step up, you'd be

(23:01):
saying the same thing that you would about Biden and Trump.
You've got the age thing there. And do you think
Kamala Harris is really going to want to be the
number two pick again on another ticket like this? I mean,
this is her job to lose if mister Biden steps aside.

Speaker 3 (23:15):
Listen, what's going on with Kevin Costa's movie.

Speaker 6 (23:17):
Well, that's what everybody wants to know. Horizon in American saga,
it's this. Well, there's one segment that came out. The
first chapter, as they call it here in the US,
completely bombed. This was a movie that was one hundred
million dollars or more. It hit theaters, nobody went to
see it. Kevin Costner put up thirty or forty million
dollars of his own money. And there's three other movies,

(23:37):
two of which have been filmed or are in the
middle of being filmed right now. The studio is just
pulling this out right now, and we don't even know
if the second or third movie is going to make
it to the theaters. And it's interesting because Costner decided
not to come back to this hit Western show Yellowstone,
which is a great guilty pleasure. Put him back on
the map. And maybe this is proving that Hollywood, which

(24:00):
has been having a real hard summer over here, can't
double dip. When people can get a great quality Western
or a program for free on TV or streaming it,
why go to the movies and pay fifteen bucks to
see the same thing.

Speaker 3 (24:11):
Yea fair point, Dan, Thank you appreciated, have yourself a
lovely We can We'll talk again next week. Sam Mitchison,
US correspondent. I'm not going to talk to him next week.
I'm going on holiday next week. I'm giving you the
warning right now. I'm going on holiday next week and
I'm going to have a lovely time. I'm going to
get out of the winter. I've become that person, do
you know how? I think we're all that person this.
I don't know why, but this winter is it's because

(24:32):
of the economy. I think that's what it is. This
winter just sucks a little bit because of that. Hey,
Donald Trump. Now we are going to find out who
Donald Trump's running mate is going to be Next Wednesday.
They're going to have the Republican National Convention and apparently
it's going to be announced there and that person is
at this stage going to be the vice president. This
person is going to be introduced by Donald Trump Junior,

(24:55):
which makes everybody think that this person is JD. Vance
because JD Vance Donald Trump Junior are really really great mates,
and so the relationship between them is basically led everybody
to speculate that it's going to be Jade Varns. Now,
if you're like, who the hell's Jade Varnes?

Speaker 13 (25:08):
J D.

Speaker 3 (25:09):
Varnes is a chap who has been He's been around
a wee bit now, I mean he was kind of
in the running I think probably in twenty twenty to
be a running mate. I suppose I remember him around
at the time. He wrote a book some years ago
called Hillbilly Ellogy, which is absolutely fascinating, and it's the
story of how he grows up basically being raised by

(25:29):
a bunch of Darrow hillbillies in a terrible situation. If
I remember correctly, his mum was something like a like
a smack addict or something like that. It's really bad,
Like it was horrific. He was raised by a complete
druggie and in the end, I think his grandparents were
pretty stable and raised him and he ends up going
to an Ivy League university and sort of, you know,

(25:50):
he talks about how he has to blend in with
all these like middle and upper class kids, and he
doesn't even know really how to set a table because
he's from such you know, working class, like really tough,
brought up stock and here he is right now in
a position. It's a classic American pull yourself up by
his bootstrap story. So if you're interested in that kind

(26:11):
of book, it's absolutely worth read, and probably even more
so now given than he might well be vice president
very shortly. Quarter too.

Speaker 1 (26:18):
Politics with centrics credit, check your customers and get payments, certainty.

Speaker 3 (26:22):
Thomas Coglin, the Herald's deputy political editor, is in for
Barry Sober today. Hey Thomas, Hey that afternoon. Yeah, thank
you for being with us. Listen that poll out today.
What do you reckon it is that has pushed Luxeon's
popularity up like that?

Speaker 14 (26:35):
I think it's pretty solid few weeks for the government,
Like I think coming through on the Kents drugs last week,
Eric Stanford's educational announcement, it's just I mean to use
the Chrisiplins phrase, bread and butter issues. Getting down to
the stuff people care about. I think as well, voters
can't be there impressed with what's happening on the left
at the moment. Obviously the Tparti Maori scandals around the

(26:55):
manure there and Marai, the Darling Town of stuff at
the Greens, I think that had all fixed pretty poorly
on the left, even though it's actually the Labor Party
that seems to be carrying the camphor at that down
the most, down basically four points from from twenty nine
point four to to twenty five point nine.

Speaker 3 (27:10):
Yeah, the Greens are sitting at twelve percent and this
will not reflect what's gone on with Darling Tanna just yet, right,
because this is obviously in the wrong period. But the
next time round to the next poll we get do
you reckon, they'll take a knock for it.

Speaker 14 (27:23):
It's hard to know because I've my personal view is
I think the Darling Tanna stuff is priced, and so
you're absolutely right, this doesn't reflect This doesn't reflect what
we've what we've recently learned about the report. But I
would have thought that Darling Tanna stuff has been priced
and since the allegations first emerged back in March. Personally,
I think I think the Greens have got a pretty

(27:43):
good kind of baseline of support. Chris Hepkins is a
relatively right wing leader of the Labor Party. He's not
just under return, so he's kind of if you're if
you're the Greens, he's sort of the ideal leader of
the Labor Party for you, because he's just right wing enough,
I think to push those soft, those soft green labor
marginal voters into the Green camp. So so I think
that that they're pretty lucky that the political landscape is

(28:05):
such that their support that their supporters cling on to them,
despite the fact that I think even the Greens would
privately say they haven't really done a lot to deserve
the level of polling at the begetting at the moment.

Speaker 3 (28:16):
Yeah, fair enough. Hey, I see we've got an extension
on the Red Sea deployment.

Speaker 14 (28:20):
Yeah, interesting, interesting one. This this is a you know,
New Zealand. New Zealand actually does a fair bit of
deployments overseas to uphold international law. CHRISTALP. Luxan and Japan
a couple of weeks ago announced an expansion of the
deployment to monitor breaches in North Korea. This is a
slightly more controversial one. It's connected to the Hoothy attacks
on international shipping and the Red Sea. New Zealand obviously

(28:42):
very very concerned to keep that trade route open, but
obviously that connection to the Gaza conflict. The Houthy they
are attacking these ships because they are they are retaliating
for for the Israel strikes on an invasion of Gaza.
So New Zealand kind of attaching itself to the American
and then by way of America, Israeli all. But it

(29:03):
is slightly controversial both domestically here and in the Middle East.
So it's sort of one of those ones that I
think everyone's trying to handle with a bit of caution,
because you certainly don't want to step out of line
on that delicate balance in the Middle East.

Speaker 3 (29:14):
Hey, do you reckon there is enough support around the
cabinet table to break up key Erail's rail and ferry service.

Speaker 14 (29:19):
I yes, I actually do have been hearing this, this
this leak last night on One News, and I see
R and Z has been asking some questions about it today.
I really do think there is quite a lot of
support for that. Key Rail is a pretty why shall
we say troubled organization and and and the inter Islander
is an essential piece of connection. I think that the
government really wants the inter Islander to run well. And

(29:40):
I've been hearing even before that that minister and the
advisory Group landed with Cabinet ministers that there was something
that that they were they were sort of interested in
at least, so I think that there is a strong
level of support. And you can you can see there's
a there's a case for breaking it up and making
the the key rail focus on the rail bit and
and a separate inter island a company folk pus on
the pote.

Speaker 3 (30:00):
Yeah, totally. Hey, Thomas, thank you very much for stepping in.
We'll check to you again quarter past six and reap
the political week that was. It's Thomas Coglan, the Herald's
deputy political editor. I got a little update for you
on country kindy if you remember that story from earlier
the week stand by lade away from six.

Speaker 2 (30:14):
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Speaker 15 (30:19):
Of course, leading international obesity expert, doctor Being Gonzalez is
with us. What's your view on this whole GLP revolution.

Speaker 11 (30:24):
Well, I've been using this medication for over seven years,
and of course celebrity attention just kind of shoots up
the attention.

Speaker 2 (30:31):
I think it's a.

Speaker 11 (30:32):
Very useful, powerful, safe drug, but it needs to be used.

Speaker 6 (30:35):
Appropriately with appropriate doctor intervention.

Speaker 2 (30:38):
But the problem is it isn't is it?

Speaker 16 (30:40):
No?

Speaker 11 (30:40):
And I've been watching year and a half, been watching
these pop up weight loss spis, these weight loss and
are just kind of selling the drug and doctors not
being fully trained on how to manage the medication, just
kind of writing good prescriptions.

Speaker 2 (30:51):
WILLI and Ellie?

Speaker 11 (30:52):
Then there you have it.

Speaker 15 (30:53):
Back Monday from six am the Mike Hosking Breakfast with
jaguine Newstalk zib.

Speaker 3 (30:58):
No, you can't do that. You just said eight to six.
It's eight to five. You need a holiday. You're right, Jeff,
You're not. I'm gonna do it is. I'm gonna go
get my g string. I'm gonna go down to near
Plymouth Pool. I have a lovely time freak that lady out.
As If o zenpic was not already the miracle drug,
there is now evidence that it may in fact cut
the risk of dementia by half. University of Oxford has
done a study. They wanted to establish the impact of

(31:20):
the JAB. This is a weight loss JAB, but it
was actually originally a diabetes JAB that then became a
weight loss JAB. They wanted to have a look at
what the impact on the brain was. They found it
reduced the risk of multiple neurological conditions, including dementia and
Parkinson's these He's how amazing is that? Five away from
five here we go. I've got a little thing to
tell you about Country Kindy. Now, this is the early

(31:41):
childhood center in the manner were two that got shut
down by the Ministry of Education on Monday because it
didn't do seven ridiculous things, including to failing to write
a mission statement. That's now before court and the Ministry
of Education has had to reverse its decision and it's
open for another twelve weeks. Here's an insight into what
it may be like in the Ministry of Education when
they make decisions like this. Today, I spoke to a

(32:03):
Ministry of Education staffer from the office that was responsible
for shutting the place down. They said to me that
they wanted to speak out about it because Country Candy
should never have been shut down, and in their view
had been persecuted, and they say that the reason the
situation ended up where it has with Country Kindy being
shut down is because there was a former staffer who
was doing who decided to do an audit on Country

(32:24):
Kindy and then had a personal vendetta against Country Kindy
and its owner. And they said the reason that they
realized it was a vendetta was because this person started
picking on Country Kendy for ridiculous things like not having
a microwave matt. I don't even know what a microwave
matt is. Is it you put it underneath the microwave?
Do you put it in the microwave? Where does this

(32:46):
mat go? What weird person needs a microwave matt? But
apparently this person did, and apparently you can get it
for six bucks, And they were really upset that Country
Kendy wasn't shutting out six bucks for a microwave matt anyway,
Then the staffer would say things out loud in the
office like I'll just shut her down. So the staffer
that I spoke to said, what they're really worried about
is that a person doing an audit like this and

(33:07):
wanting to shut down Country kindy doesn't actually necessarily have
qualifications you would expect to equip them for this. As
far as they knew, the person doing the audit was
an ECE teacher and that was the limit of their qualifications.
They didn't have any more experience of qualifications to be
able to shut a place like this down. Also, the
poor owner was made to do ridiculous things like instead

(33:29):
of emailing in a document, was instructed to print it
out and then drive into Parmester North to drop it off.
I feel like that may go some way to explaining
I got in touch with the Ministry of Education. They
said we were not going to be commenting any further
while in matters before court, so they have no defense
for it that they can offer. But I feel like
it may go some way to explaining why some of
the stuff the Ministry of Education does absolutely bonkers. Off

(33:51):
to the US next.

Speaker 1 (33:54):
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the question and get the answers by the facts and
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One New Zealand, let's get connected and you talk because.

Speaker 2 (34:09):
They'd be.

Speaker 3 (34:12):
Good afternoon. Let's get back to US President Joe Biden's
make or Break press conference. He did sound more focused
than the presidential debate against Donald Trump, but man, he
still managed to get some clangers in.

Speaker 4 (34:22):
I wouldn't have picked Vice President Trump to be vice president.
I think she was not qualified to be president. So
let's start there.

Speaker 3 (34:30):
Charles Feldman is a presenter for k NX News in
Los Angeles. H Charles, Hi, how you doing very well?

Speaker 10 (34:36):
Thank you?

Speaker 3 (34:37):
After this? He's gone, isn't he?

Speaker 17 (34:40):
That's a fairly good bet.

Speaker 18 (34:43):
I mean, some people are saying that it might take
another week or maybe two, and he, of course, Biden
insists he's in this till the election in November. But
you know, there's a growing chorus of his fellow Democrats
that are for him to leave the ticket. And there
are all kinds of leaked reports about who's talking to

(35:06):
whom and who's you know, trying to figure out how
to approach him to get him to voluntarily leave the ticket.
So it's a difficult situation for him, and it's a
trickier situation for his political party.

Speaker 3 (35:22):
Why would you give him even up to two weeks?
Is that how long it's going to take to basically
force the mouth?

Speaker 18 (35:29):
Well, because it has to be done very delicately. You know,
he has been consistently digging his heels, and he did
so again at the news conference tonight after the NATO conference.
You know, every time the question comes up, are you leaving?
Are you fit for office? He just says, no, I'm
in this until November. He left himself. I think a

(35:51):
little wiggle room. At the news conference he said, I
believe that, you know, he would leave the ticket as
his staff told him it was time to go and
he couldn't win against Donald Trump. And then he very
quickly added, but they haven't told him that yet. Yeah.
The thing is that have they told him that to
his face? Probably not. Are they telling that amongst themselves?

(36:14):
Apparently so?

Speaker 3 (36:16):
If he was to go, in all seriousness, Charles given
the available candidates who would take over.

Speaker 18 (36:24):
Well if he were to bow out, the logical choice
would be his vice president, Kamala Harris. But there's also
a sentiment in the Democratic Party that if he were
to drop out, there shouldn't be a sort of coronation,
if you want to look at it that way of Harris,
that it should be thrown open to other potential candidates

(36:48):
at a so called open convention. When the Democrats meet
in August. The problem is that the United States hasn't
had an open convention in the Senate, that the candidates
haven't gone, they're already in effect anointed by the primary system.
We haven't had that kind of open convention in decades,

(37:10):
so I dare say there probably aren't many people in
the Democratic Party who even know how to do one.

Speaker 3 (37:16):
That's a fair point, actually, Charles listen, thank you very much,
and best of lucky that Charles Feldman presented for k
NX News in Los angelesgiver do for c Ellen. The
lawyer acting for the crew on the grounded ferry, is
disputing the leaked email that claimed that the crew couldn't
get the vessel out of autopilot in time because they
didn't know that they had to press the button for
five seconds. Last night inter Island, the boss Duncan Roy told.

Speaker 18 (37:37):
Us this, We've had the black box, which just told
us the fact, the fact that the button was pushed.
That's what we know. We'll wait for the rest of
the investigation to go on so that we know what occurred. Factually.

Speaker 3 (37:48):
That lawyer is maritime lawyer Troy Stayed, and he's with
us now, hey Troy, Hi, Heather, how are well? Thank you? Mate?
Are you going to tell us which part of that
report you dispute?

Speaker 5 (37:58):
So I just want to emphasize again we haven't yet
seen the black box, the VDR from the vessel, so
we aren't in any real position to concretely say what
inputs were pushed. Obviously, once we get access to that
from ki Rail, we would be in a position to
do so. And furthermore, the crew have been quite disappointed

(38:24):
that ki Rail released that safety bulletin and distributed it
throughout the organization without any consultation with them as to
what happened. So it's without talking to real specifics. It's
mainly the implications that it was purely a matter of

(38:44):
human error on the cruise part. The implications of that.

Speaker 3 (38:49):
So, reading between the lines, I feel like what you've
been trying to say is that they didn't know they
had to press the button for five seconds to get
it out of autopilot because they hadn't been trained to
do that.

Speaker 8 (38:59):
Is that right?

Speaker 5 (39:01):
So that they have been trained in steering control systems
for the vessels, to be sure, and we're trying to
come to grips with why their training, didn't didn't correspond
with the systems on the ship, resulting in the incident.
So I say, we haven't we haven't seen the black

(39:23):
box the VDA yet, so we can't speak to that yet.

Speaker 3 (39:27):
But that sounds Troy, that sounds very much like they
didn't know how to get it out right.

Speaker 5 (39:34):
I can see why you'd think that. Again, I don't
yet know that having not seen the black box, what
are you going to do?

Speaker 3 (39:41):
Are you going to sue them?

Speaker 5 (39:45):
I think that that that sort of discussion is definitely
very premature. What we're going to do, Heather, as we're
going to be helping them through the investigatory process. There
are there are three investigations going on at the moment,
So we've got a a group of mariners who are
highly experienced, well qualified, etc. But they have been put

(40:08):
into quite an unfortunate set of circumstances, and with all
the rumor and hearsay going on at the moment, they're feeling,
obviously personally under a lot of pressure. So we're here
to advocate for their interests.

Speaker 3 (40:21):
Troy, Listen, what I don't understand is that, I mean,
the public has formed of view, right, We've all formed
of view. We think that what happened as the boat
was put into autopilot, that was fine, and execute button
was pressed that was not fine. It was done accidentally
the boat started to turn right and then after that
they couldn't get the thing out because they couldn't press
the but they didn't realize that to press the button
for five seconds. If that is what everybody thinks, right,
and that is what everybody will continue to think, and

(40:44):
you think that that's not right, should you not be
setting the record straight because otherwise we're just going to
continue thinking that's what happened.

Speaker 5 (40:50):
Yeah, I can see why I'd think that. Ultimately, though,
we can't set the record straight because we haven't seen
the data ourselves. K we rail are in the position
of having seen it.

Speaker 3 (41:00):
But you've talked to the people. They can tell you
they were there.

Speaker 5 (41:04):
They can, but they equally so they don't know what
happened for sure on the on the back end of systems.

Speaker 3 (41:11):
Yeah, but why don't you just tell us what their
experience was.

Speaker 5 (41:15):
Their experiences the vessel made a term to starboard and
ran the ground, and.

Speaker 3 (41:22):
Their experience was that they tried to get it out
of order pilot, but they didn't know they had to
press it for five seconds.

Speaker 5 (41:27):
They absolutely took all steps that they knew that they
had available to them. Start Redington right, it is, it is,
and they've been put in a very unenviable position.

Speaker 8 (41:41):
Right.

Speaker 5 (41:42):
So yeah, as I said, we're just advocating for their interests.

Speaker 3 (41:45):
Beast of luck with everything, Troy, I appreciated. Troy staid,
the maritime lawyer representing the bridge crew, listened to this
about Razor. Friend of mine is at the bar at
the at a bar in Auckland somewhere at the moment.
I don't know where, but I think it might be
the All Blacks Hotel because they've just had a team
away day. It's like, you know, one of those stupid
corporate bonding things, and she and her workmates are now

(42:05):
sitting at this bar at the hotel like they're literally
doing it. At the moment. She just sent me a
text she said, Razor is so good at pr He's
jumped off the AB's bus at the hotel, saw a
bunch of people drinking in the bar. That's them obviously,
and came in to say hi. He could have avoided us,
but he saw people and he made a bee line
for us, the all Blacks will have such a huge
surge of support from him doing this kind of thing.

Speaker 8 (42:25):
I love it.

Speaker 3 (42:26):
And then she sent me a picture of the pair
of them. How good is that?

Speaker 6 (42:29):
That is good?

Speaker 3 (42:30):
Pr because how many of us, like you've just had
a hard day of training or whatever you've done all day?
It could be fat just rocking up to a bunch
of drink drinking birds at a bar. I mean, depending
on what your endgame is, obviously maybe you will, but
most of us just be like, oh nah, let's just
go to the room. Anyway. How good, Razor wa a
breath of fresh air? Anyway, sports title is going to
be us later this hour. It's quarter past here. The

(42:51):
why all the stalling and covering on the fairy case
that is exact? Isn't that exactly what we all want
to know? Why all the stalling and covering. It feels
to me like both sides are not sure of themselves.
Otherwise they just come out and say this is what
happened and just own it. So both sides are butt
covering hard right, both sides being the crew and the bosses.
Eighteen past five now very sad news today. Iconic Ponsonby

(43:11):
restaurant SPQR has been placed into liquidation. The place opened
in nineteen ninety two. It's been the place to be
seen ever since. Mick Jagger ate there once, and of
course our own Carey would have ate there much much
more regularly. And Carry is with us right now.

Speaker 10 (43:25):
A Kerrie, Oh, I know it's very sad, and it is.
I just want to acknowledge all the hospital industry who
are doing it pretty tough at the moment, and SPQR
is going to get the attention right now, but there
are lots of restaurants and cafes right around the country
that are struggling. Carry.

Speaker 3 (43:42):
It's going to be weird to walk I mean, this
is an iconic place on Ponsonby Road, right in the
heart of Ponsonby Road. It's going to be weird to
walk past it with its massive frontage and there's nothing
going on.

Speaker 10 (43:51):
Well, it used to be a motorbike shop. I used
to live in Brown Street and watched it being transformed
into SPQR. And I think my daughter had the first
Fluffy there when she was three, and now she's in
her mid thirties and has said more than Fluffy's there,
just like mama. But it was just nobody came to
Ponsimb Before SBQR, it was everybody. All the lovely people

(44:12):
went to part now the models and the money market
guys and and Ponsonby became the place to come, thanks
in part to SBQR. And it really understood monarchitungue, you know,
it was.

Speaker 2 (44:26):
It was a vibe.

Speaker 10 (44:28):
And I'd come from Wellington where I'd been in hospital,
which was such fun back then, Oh, such fun. And
when I came to Ponzimbe, you could fire a rifle
down the middle of the main street and not hit
anything at ten o'clock at night.

Speaker 3 (44:42):
Is it possible, that is that the liquidation of SBQR
has coincided with your sobriety?

Speaker 10 (44:48):
Quite possibly? I blame I blame myself.

Speaker 3 (44:52):
I mean, not only did you do or to have
a first fluffy there, but you met your husband there.

Speaker 10 (44:55):
I did because it was it wasn't just the place
to see and be seen, it was your neighborhood bar.
So I'd finished work at midnight and would go and
have a glass of red wine and sit by the
fire and read my book at midnight because you could
no makeup and it didn't matter. And and this handsome
irishman wandered over and wondered why I was sitting there
reading by myself. How many long lunches do you reckon?

Speaker 3 (45:17):
You had that many?

Speaker 18 (45:19):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (45:20):
Yeah, a lot, yeah, a lot. If you were still drinking,
this would save you a lot of money.

Speaker 10 (45:25):
Oh, I can't tell you how much money'll save. People
doing dry July will know this. But that's not helping
the hospital.

Speaker 3 (45:30):
Industry, no, Kerry. I worry about something bigger than SPQR here,
which is the impact on Ponsonby Road. One of my
friends just text me said they've just gone for a
drive down Ponsonby Road. Weird to not see people sitting
outside SPQ for the longest for the first time, and
like ever, the two shops opposite are vacant. There is
vacancy and Ponsiby Central next door. This is not good, no, But.

Speaker 10 (45:53):
Then you've got Beautiful Bow, which is up at three
lamps cent of pons and Me and it's a gorgeous
little cafe and small, and it's a young woman who
owns it, who's lived in Ponsomby all her life and
she's just opened a Delhi next door. So there are
people who are trying and trying to adapt to the market.
Hotel Ponts and he's got a list of non alcoholic

(46:14):
cocktails and that's got a good vibe. But hospital is
more than food. We can all cook the food, and
we can all pull the drinks at home. You go
there because good times are contagious and fun is contagious,
and you find the place that's got your vibe and
might not have been SPQUA, might not have been yours,
but there was another place that was yours. And I
really worry that we're going to lose that magic of

(46:37):
anything happening, you know, the potential, the theater of hospitality,
which I love and which so many amazing people have
brought to the places they've worked and like ESPQ are. Yeah,
we'll just mourn the drama, the magic and the fun
that it all combines to create.

Speaker 3 (46:56):
Yeah, well, here's hoping that somebody comes through to save
the thing, if it's even possible. Carrie, thank you for
coming in. It's lovely to see you and.

Speaker 10 (47:01):
Your way up to dinner anyway, are you?

Speaker 3 (47:03):
Yeah, you look beautiful in your rugby shirt. Kirie Woodham
News Talk ZB presenter and former SPQR regular five to
twenty three Heather.

Speaker 2 (47:11):
Duplicy Allen cutting through the noise to get the facts.

Speaker 1 (47:15):
It's Heather Duplicy Allen Drive with One New Zealand Let's
get connected and news talk as sed B.

Speaker 3 (47:21):
There is a weird story about a kmart worker who's
lost her job because she tried to stop a fight.
Some member of the public was trying to kick a
couple of security guards and she intervened and the rules
at that workplace so you can't intervene, and so she
got given the sack. But now she's been reinstated by
the RA. So we'll have a chat to the union
about that just after the half past five news, right,
what's the time five twenty five. There's been a fair

(47:43):
bit of discussion today about that lee last night that
the government's been advised to break Kiwi Rail into two,
into a rail business and into a faery business. Now
this is a real possibility because I was told by
a cabinet minister three weeks ago that they, being the
cabinet minister, wanted to do it. The question really is
can that get enough support around the cabinet table to
be able to actually make the thing work? And I

(48:03):
suspect yes, and I suspect actually that this needs to happen.
There is a reason that we have the saying a
jack of all trades and a master of none, because
if you try to do too many things, you're not
going to be good at any of them, right, You're
just going to be kind of average. And I think
that's what's happened to KiwiRail. They suck at running the
rail network and they also suck at running the ferries.
But maybe if they just did one or the other,

(48:24):
they would be half got at it. The Irax project
right where they were planning to buy those mega fairies
and blow billions of dollars on port infrastructure. That is
the perfect example of why KiwiRail needs to be broken up.
Because the idea behind it, or behind the Irax project,
which was stupid, was to load trains onto ferries at
a staggering cost which would have taken years, if got

(48:46):
decades to recoup if they were a private business. Now
would a fery company right think about this? Would a
fery company have decided to load enormous and heavy metal
trains onto their boats to drag them from one island
to another. No, it's way too expensive, But would a
rail company which just happens to have a couple of

(49:07):
fairies decide to do that, yes, because it works for
the rail business. And this is the problem, right, If
we want the inter Island a ferry to run like
a good ferry service, then we need to take the
fairies away from the rail guys, because the rail guys
are making decisions for rail not for fairies. We need
to let this thing be run as a ferry service,
not as a few boats that the rail guys have.

(49:29):
Does the government then privatize it? Which is the next
next decision? I got no opinion. I don't really hate
the idea. Have a look at it. If it works,
I mean, look at Bluebridge. It's private, it's doing a
really good job. If that's the next step, fine, But
the first step breaking it up absolute no brainer. Now
here's a little rumor that's coming out of the Biden camp.
So Biden and his team believe that the person who

(49:52):
is trying to get rid of him is Barack Obama,
his former boss. And the reason they believe this is
because Barack Obama and George Clooney are really tight with
each other. They did that fundraising just the other day
that big fundraising event for Joe Biden. It turns out
that George Clooney actually got in touch with Barack Obama
before he put that editorial in the New York Times,

(50:14):
and Barack Obama did nothing to stop it going to print. Now,
if Barack Obama actually had his back as and had
Biden's back, he would have stopped it. But he didn't.
But they actually think it's more than just kind of
being like, Okay, George, you do your thing. They think
he's orchestrating the stuff. And the other reason they think
that is because David Axelrod, who's a very close friend
of Obama's, has been one of the most outspoken critics
of Biden. So drama in the White House Headline's next Hard.

Speaker 1 (50:38):
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Speaker 12 (50:48):
It's right.

Speaker 14 (50:53):
Hither.

Speaker 3 (50:53):
There's got to be more to the SPQR story. I
don't believe business could have been that bad. There's always
more to a story, right, I mean, even with this
and Kobe's story, there's more to it. The downfall of
Queen Street, the competition from the emerging malls around the place,
like you know at the end of those big department stores,
but also how hard businesses. And believe me, business is

(51:14):
hard out there. You talk to the retailers and they
even saying this now in the media you can see
it all over the shop. Retail is now harder than
it was during the global financial crisis. And possibly the
last time that we saw retail this bad was back
in the seventies, and there is data to back that up.

Speaker 19 (51:29):
So it is.

Speaker 3 (51:30):
It is tough. Now. I realize SPQR is not retail,
it's hospo. But those two things go very very closely
hand in hand, don't they. Hey, somebody just text this
through to me. Did you realize the saying jack of
all trades, master of none goes on to finish like this,
though oftentimes better than a master of one who knew
twenty three away from.

Speaker 2 (51:48):
Sex, Heather do to see Ellen so.

Speaker 3 (51:51):
At worker who lost her job for trying to stop
a fight has had it given back to her by
the Employment Relations authority. Get a load of what happened
to Kay. The worker was coming back from her break
at Kmark, came out and Patistan North when she spotted
a member of the public trying to kick a couple
of security guards. So she then tried to calm things
down by intervening, but KMART said that was a breach

(52:11):
of its health and safety policy and gave her the
sack for it. She's represented by First Union. Their organizer
is Dione Martin and dial Martin's with me, now, Haydn.

Speaker 17 (52:22):
Well, by the way, she didn't intervene, she de escalated
the situation.

Speaker 3 (52:25):
Well she intervened, didn't she die on?

Speaker 20 (52:27):
Like she got between them, See she waited way her
hands out in front of them, and both of the
two different security guards and the actually of security later on,
you know, wonderful email to the relations authorities commending her
for what she did favor the two security guards getting

(52:49):
kicked him ahead because the guy wasn't after her, he
was after the two security guards catching him shot with me.

Speaker 3 (52:55):
So the heart of Kmart's policy, just tell me if
this is right? Is there trying to protect staff? So
they say staff can't intervene to try to stop this
kind of thing for their own good basically, and we
support that.

Speaker 17 (53:08):
We say, don't intervene, follow the policy. But they've got
to take into account instinct of human reaction. That's what
she wholefully happened in eighteen seconds. And she saw the
people and she's put away the hand a no, no, no,
don't do that, and someone called the police, you know,
and she was commended for that because but sack tribe
the company.

Speaker 3 (53:30):
That seems like a massive overreaction to somebody who's just
acted instinctively, been a good sort, saved a couple of
security guards getting hurt. What's wrong with Kmart?

Speaker 17 (53:39):
Well, actually, I'd like to separate the kmart itself as
that a good organization we find, a very collaborative, a
really playing the living wage, the good clicktive agreement we
have with them as a union. But you know, as
a certain management decisions and a certain individuals, you can't.
You've got to separate that from the organization Camart.

Speaker 3 (53:59):
Okay, So the hr idiots is it?

Speaker 17 (54:01):
Well no, no, well, no, no, the hr Bactually basically
here is some mended the final written the warning. It
was overalled by the by the regional manager, and no
one on the day knew who the decision maker was.
When when when she was dismissed. If one to have denied,
they would decision make her and we found only found
out later on it's really weird.

Speaker 3 (54:20):
Is she going to go back to work? Because this field,
I don't know if I'd want to work there.

Speaker 17 (54:24):
In many ways, she doesn't really feel like you know,
you can see it's in a natural reaction to that.
But in the end, it is the term in person
and really popular, loved, loved and respected by her fellow workers.
And that's why they couldn't figured it out. Everyone was
like wanting to put up you know, a good a
good word for her and witness statements and stuff and that,
and they could not believe that. Why are they picking

(54:45):
on her?

Speaker 3 (54:48):
Lovely Listen, is this actually about businesses and not just
came up, but businesses like kmart covering their own butts
when it comes to health and safety because they could
potentially be in the gun if somebody gets hurt in
an instance like this.

Speaker 17 (55:00):
Yeah, they are liable. It is about company as you're
absoletely right, and we tell works there's a tension between
we tail, which is, you know, they find it really
frustrating not be able to do anything and security guards
can't do anything and touch people who just walk out
with the goods and stuff. But In the end, we
say it's not worth the money you're getting paid to

(55:21):
put yourself in a situation where you're going to get
and we agree to agree with the company. But they're
doing it to protect their liability. We're doing it to
protect our members.

Speaker 3 (55:30):
Yeah, Diane, listen, thank you for talking to us. Appreciated
dial Martin first union organizer. Mark my words, this will
be that stupid health and safety legislation again. That thing
needs to rewrite big time. Go Brook van Valden nineteen
away from six the.

Speaker 1 (55:41):
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Speaker 15 (55:58):
I'm just incredible.

Speaker 4 (56:02):
I don't even know the words.

Speaker 19 (56:04):
You know, we're right.

Speaker 7 (56:04):
I'm all black rugby.

Speaker 21 (56:06):
But again for an old fat test mat time wrestles,
you've even sixteen eight for fifty I guess challenge this
week because no two test matches are the same and
England are certainly going to be better.

Speaker 20 (56:20):
So that's where our focus has been on.

Speaker 3 (56:23):
Sports title This evening got Elliot Smith news talks. He'd
be rugby commentator and lanky star as sports journalist.

Speaker 21 (56:29):
Hello you two evening, that'd.

Speaker 3 (56:31):
Be Sae Elliottes. Are the All Blacks going to come
into this test stronger because they've had another week in camp,
or are the English going to come into this test
stronger because they almost got there and they know they
can do it.

Speaker 21 (56:42):
I think the All Blacks are going a little bit
stronger than last week. They will have learned and hopefully
figured out some ways to combat that rush defense that
England put into place. England will have learned a few
lessons themselves around the misses off the tea from Marcus Smith.
Hopefully the All Blacks have learned how to kick a
goal in sixty seconds over the past as well. I
think both teams will probably go in a little bit better,

(57:02):
But I think the edge for the All Blacks comes
with that extra week of learning, the bit more analysis
from those coaches, and the fact of it as well.
For England, it's the last week of their season. It
could go one or two ways. Could have one last
effort before they go into their summer, or the toll
of eleven months and this is going back to really
last July August when they gathered for pre World Cup matches,
so they've been going for how many months? So I

(57:23):
think the All Blacks will win again tomorrow night, and
perhaps by a little bit more than one point.

Speaker 3 (57:28):
Nikki, do you reckon? I mean last week was so
stressful because I stressed out for Razor. I was like,
this guy can't lose his first match. Can I relax?
Can I be like if you lose a second one,
it's okay?

Speaker 18 (57:37):
Oh?

Speaker 13 (57:38):
Look, I think Razer knows that being the All Black
coach is one of the worst jobs in the world,
as well as being one of the best. You're only
your last performance, so he's got to come out and
prove that he is the goods. He showed last week
that he can get the job done, but I don't
think any pressure has actually come often. I think the
good thing, as Elliott said, is that they've had that

(57:58):
beek together each week now and they've ironed out a
few sort of jitters and nerves and they can get
on with it. And I think they where they do
have a strength is in that set piece. I think
they were stronger than England and the set piece and
also at the breakdown. I think they're going to have
to show some improvement this week, and I think a
lot of that too, will come with the loss of

(58:20):
Joe marlab the you know, the English prop, the young
fella from Baxter. He's got a big job ahead of him,
you know. And they were average around the scrum last week.
So if the All Blacks can get good solid base,
get good ball, I think they will go on and
get the job done.

Speaker 3 (58:34):
Tell you what surprised me, Elliott, was how on earth?
I mean, we've had this this time limit on a
conversion for a while. Why have we not had a
shot clock before. It's not like it's a new idea.

Speaker 2 (58:46):
Well it's not.

Speaker 21 (58:47):
And it was really came into force it last year's
World Cup and it was on the big screen the
World Cup last year, in a number of games, I
think most all of them, certainly that I was there for.
I don't know why it hasn't been put on New
Zealand big screens. Whether it's like technology thing or whatever
it might be.

Speaker 3 (59:01):
Come on, Elliott, how hard is the technology thing?

Speaker 21 (59:03):
You just need some ell you think so? But look
I'm no led expert. But fortunately, and it's probably taking
something like this to go. Actually we should put it
on the big screen to happen.

Speaker 2 (59:16):
This is the problem.

Speaker 21 (59:19):
It should be that it should be a world ruggy
mandated thing. If you don't have a shot clock, it
should be every stadium around the globe. So they need
they needed to put it in the first place.

Speaker 3 (59:26):
I shouldn't be blaming inseet out, but this is the problem.
This is the problem with the rugby bosses, Nikki, is
that the obvious thing to add drama to a game
which is lacking drama is steering them in the face
and they can't even see they need to put a
shot clock up.

Speaker 13 (59:39):
Oh you know, look at human nature. I think when
you don't see something breaking, you don't feel the need
to exert.

Speaker 3 (59:46):
It's literally their job to try to get people more
engaged with the game. Like they know they're losing engagement
and they're like, how can we engage people? This is obvious.

Speaker 13 (59:54):
Don't start me on New Zealand rugby because I have
my yes, I have my own on some of the
archaic ways of dealing with things. Look, the good news
is it is the I think the problem was in
Super Rugby it was dealt with by the referee successfully.
So perhaps this has just highlighted that it doesn't always
work like that, and gosh, yeah, it's a little bit embarrassing.

Speaker 3 (01:00:16):
Isn't it No, But also Elliott, the point is for
us as the audience, right, because you know d mack
has got to do the thing right. He's got to
look at the post with a serious face first, and
then he's got to look down at the ball, and
then he's got to do the grinny thing up right. Now,
you know that that's a good ten to fifteen seconds
a lot he can punt that view. So imagine you're
sitting there, you're watching that show clock winding down and

(01:00:36):
d Mac's doing his smile and you're like, you've got
to kick it, make you got to kick it.

Speaker 21 (01:00:39):
Drama, drama absolutely, And last week there was that added
thing and we were in the seventy eight seventy ninth minutes,
so he was also looking to wind down the clock
as much as possible. So perhaps you usually he might
have taken his kick a little bit quicker about I
think he was trying to balance bo get the kick over,
but also the clock. Absolutely, but the referee was quite
clear last week. I think he made a very accurate decision.

(01:01:01):
I could hear in my commentary effects peace twenty seconds
to go and Damion Ckenzi didn't begin his march in
So whether Damien didn't hear it or not, I don't know,
but fortunately common sense has prevailed and we've got one
this week.

Speaker 3 (01:01:13):
All Right, we'll take a break with you two thirteen
away from.

Speaker 1 (01:01:15):
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Speaker 3 (01:01:22):
Right, you're back of the sports huddle on Lucky Styrus
and Elliott Smith, Nikki, how far do you reckon Lulusen
can go? I mean, is this just the start?

Speaker 13 (01:01:31):
Look, it's an interesting one, isn't it? Because she just
sort of came out of nowhere, But probably in her
mind she didn't. She's been working towards us all her life,
and I think that the stars have sort of really
aligned to her. If you look at all the factors,
you know, and do a bit of research on her,
you know she's she's come from an interesting background. Obviously,
she was born and bred in New Zealand, but her

(01:01:53):
parents WANs Croatian, her dad's Croatian, her mum is Chinese.
And she attributes a lot of her character so her
parents and what they've instilled in her in her life.
And I think particularly the hard working aspect from her
mum and the fact that her mum, you know, was
very much about you do the hardy, you will succeed.
And I think too with the new coach that she's

(01:02:14):
got is Slovakian and he has come out saying, you know,
this is all about confidence. She just needs the confidence
to know that she can do it. She's got the skills,
she's got the right metal, and that she has now
sholeen that she does have the metal to go all
the way. And so now that she has that confidence,
I think, you know, the world is her oyster and.

Speaker 3 (01:02:32):
It's got to get better Elliott, because she had to
play three qualifying matches just to get to the point
that she did in Wimbledon. Right now she doesn't have
to do that because of her ranking, so it's going
to be easy.

Speaker 21 (01:02:41):
It's all about ranking points and intendency and getting into
the slams. And once you're in those slams, you know,
women's tennis, lovery is the wrong word. But in the
post Serena at William Zero, how many Grand Slam champions
have there been? There's been heaps of them and no
one's really dominated. And Nomeo Osaka was there for a
few minutes. Eh, Fiontech's probably the best player in the world,
but even she struggles at Wimbledon. So there are so

(01:03:02):
many opportunities I think for lulu'sim. I guess the jury
is out until we see a play a few more
slams under that New Zealand banner.

Speaker 18 (01:03:07):
But what a start.

Speaker 21 (01:03:08):
And when she came over, it sort of went well,
you know, looking at her credentials, you know whether she's
going to be any good or not, and it feels like, oh,
maybe she'll switch and she won't amount to much. Well
she's just done that in the course of a week,
because you just don't know when they switch eligibilities, whether
whatever reason it is, we're.

Speaker 3 (01:03:23):
Coming here because you kind of suck a little bit
and you'll be better with us, that's.

Speaker 21 (01:03:26):
Right, yeah, exactly, And credit to her. And yet she
has been outstanding And what a story because we haven't
had a lot of tennis players to get behind in
New Zealand. Rio Rakovic the last one I know the
doubles players that I'm very very well, but singles is
where it's at in tennis, and we haven't had one
a play like that for quite some time. And to
ride that wave during the week was pretty special.

Speaker 3 (01:03:44):
Yeah cool. Hey guys, just very quickly from each of you. Nikki,
do you think England can win the Euros?

Speaker 13 (01:03:51):
My heart is that Spain will win it because they've
been the most entertaining team and probably on form are
the better side. However, England proved in that last game
they can attack, they can't score cold, and they can win.

Speaker 21 (01:04:04):
Elliott, They're the great bottlers and world sports, so I
expect them to do that again Monday morning. Although I've
got on the work sweepstack, so financially compromised. But yeah,
they're bottled again.

Speaker 7 (01:04:15):
Space.

Speaker 3 (01:04:15):
You would have been gutted when you drew that in
the work.

Speaker 21 (01:04:18):
Now they've got a song about how they never win anything, yeah,
and how it's you know, it's been thirty forty fifty
years I've heard, so that was my tack. But look,
I'd love them to win it, but I suspect my monkey.

Speaker 3 (01:04:28):
Yeah, I suspect so too. Well, we'll see if you're surprised. Hey, guys,
thank you both. Have you really appreciated Nicky Steyer a
sports journalist and Elliott Smith News Talk Zibbie Rugby commentator
who will be there tomorrow from seven o'clock calling the
All Blacks versus England match at Eden Park seven away
from six.

Speaker 1 (01:04:43):
On your smart speaker, on the iHeart app and in
your car on your drive home. Heather duple c Allen
drive with one New Zealand one Giant Leap for Business
News Talk ZIBBI.

Speaker 3 (01:04:55):
Quite a few texts in support of the kmart staff
wickn no surprise at all, cave mat stuf staff members
should commended, made a positive example of kmart staff member
should have morning tea and a bonus. Hr eediots, etcetera, etcetera.
I mean I feel some sympathy, like to a point
for businesses trying to protect themselves because that HR that sorry,
that health and safety law is really really bad and

(01:05:18):
it is putting businesses in a very difficult position. This
is the reason why the Defense Force didn't let didn't
let their staff help out with the silt clearing health
and safety law. This is the reason why the police
did not let anybody go to White to FORCADI White
Island and save people who were at risk of dying.
Health and safety law like it is really bad and
it needs to be rewritten. And Brook van Belden is
doing it. We're going to talk to a christ Church

(01:05:40):
space company after six They've just got permission to fly
at an unlimited speed, which basically means they can go
to supersonic speed and faster. It's Dawn Aerospace. They'll be
with us shortly. Right now, it's coming up four away
from Sex coal wash. That's right, Bob sent me an
email Heather. Huntley's been chugging away at about four hundred
and sixty mega watts over the last couple of weeks,
but yesterday and today it's been running higher and about
six hundred and eighty megawatts. That's close to its maximum capacity.

(01:06:03):
Looks to Bob like they've brought another Huntly unit into
service after maintenance this morning, says Bob. Coal was running
at ninety percent of coal capacity and hydro was running
at fifty two percent. Ninety percent. That is like if
you're if you can put that much colon, We were
putting ninety percent of the maximum amount of colon. Which
I would just like to draw to the attention of

(01:06:25):
all the environmentalists and Greens and Labor Party members who
are listening to this right now, because yes, it's a
terrible idea to allow gas exploration. Again, it's a really
bad idea. We shouldn't go and get any more gas.
We should ban gas and we should just go just
really go hard on that coal at Huntly. That sounds
like a fantastic idea. I really love it. Keep going
with that quick heads up. I shouldn't be giving you

(01:06:48):
a heads up, but I'm going to give you a
heads up. Pay your bills to the IID please. Because
the crackdown has started, they've started the unannounced business of
visits to the construction sites. So that started doing it
this month to catch the tradees who are doing the cashies.
And also, and I am on board with this one,
they are chasing people overseas who have a student loan

(01:07:09):
but have property in New Zealand. They say, if you've
got an investment property here, you should be meeting your
loan repayment obligations here here. And then also the people
who are not paying the taxes on the profits they're
making from cryptocurrency, They're coming for you. But a water
cheek to have properties in New Zealand but not be
paying your student loan baite, They're coming for your headlines next.

Speaker 1 (01:07:38):
Hell you, we're a business meets Insight the business hour,
we'd head a duple clan and my HR on.

Speaker 18 (01:07:53):
News b.

Speaker 3 (01:07:57):
Evening coming up in the next hour. China has rejected
NATO's accusation that it's supporting Russia's warn Ukraine. Peter Lewis
is going to talk us through that. We're going to
rap the political week that was, and then Gavin Gray
might explain why his Prime minister is covering for Biden.
Seven past six now, a christ Ut space company has
just cop permission to fly at unlimited speed, which means
it's going to be able to go at supersonic speed

(01:08:18):
and faster. Dawn Aerospace is on track to become the
first privately funded company to break the speed of sound.
Stephen Powell is the CEO and also co founder of
Dawn Aerospace and with us now, hey, Stephan.

Speaker 2 (01:08:30):
Hey here, the hell's gone very well, thank you.

Speaker 3 (01:08:32):
Now, where are you guys going to be flying this fast?

Speaker 9 (01:08:35):
We'll be flying in the same place we've done the
last fifty flights of our aircraft. That'll be out of
Glenown Herodrome on the South Island.

Speaker 3 (01:08:41):
And if you go this fast, is it are people
going to hear it?

Speaker 9 (01:08:46):
You should be able to hear it from the ground.
It's not going to be like an earth shattering boom
of any kind you but yeah, you should.

Speaker 17 (01:08:53):
Be able to hear it.

Speaker 3 (01:08:53):
What does it sound like?

Speaker 9 (01:08:55):
Yeah, it's just kind of like a like a low
thunder sort of off in the distance.

Speaker 3 (01:09:00):
And like, is it just one thunder as you break
the sound barrier or is it a repetitive thunder of
ongoing thunder?

Speaker 9 (01:09:07):
Yeah, it's like it's a wave of sound that hits you.

Speaker 5 (01:09:11):
Sough.

Speaker 9 (01:09:12):
Yeah, it's just a single boom just like it really
just in the same way that thunder is also breaking
the sound barrier.

Speaker 3 (01:09:19):
Oh really, how interesting. I see you guys are clear
to fly?

Speaker 1 (01:09:23):
Is it?

Speaker 3 (01:09:23):
Am? I right up to eighty thousand feet? Yep, that's correct, right,
you want to increase that?

Speaker 9 (01:09:29):
Yeah, So the point of us actually choosing eighty thousand
feet is that the normal airspace actually only goes to
sixty thousand feet, So Civil Aviation Authority only has jurisdiction
up to that sixty thousand But we said, hey, we
want to go to eighty and we want to fly
in aircraft there. But that actually means we have to
go talk to the Space Agency as well, and they
need to issue up a high altitude license for that

(01:09:50):
extra twenty thousand feet now, because we have both licenses,
and that's a world first, by the way, having both
licenses for a single via that now sets the stage
for us as say, well, we can fly to eighty
how about three hundred thousands now and by the way,
the highest an aircraft has ever flown from a runway

(01:10:11):
up is one hundred and twenty five thousand feet and
we're aiming for three hundred and thirty thousand. So our
mission here is to actually exceed the altitude that an
aircraft has ever flown by about two and a half times.

Speaker 3 (01:10:22):
Stefan, what's at three hundred and thirty thousand feet that
you want to get to.

Speaker 9 (01:10:27):
That's kind of a generally accepted border to space, that
one hundred kilometers altitude, and that's pretty much typical of
what the first stage of a rocket does. So a
rocket typically two bits. One does that suborbital trajectory up
to about one hundred kilometers altitude, and the second bit
is the bit that actually goes off into orbit you
know that you know, would have a satellite on board

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and actually stays up there. So that first stage falls
back down. But that first stage is it's about eighty
percent of the rocket and it's about eighty percent of
the cost. If we can show that we can do
that with an aircraft that we can fly multiple times
a day, very very cheaply, we can dramatically reduce the
cost of getting to space.

Speaker 3 (01:11:04):
Right because you don't have that.

Speaker 9 (01:11:05):
But that falls down, Yeah, exactly, So it means it's
much much sayerch much much lower costs. You know, we
don't have to keep rebuilding that thing. It doesn't end
up in the ocean. It's just better for everyone.

Speaker 3 (01:11:18):
And why do you want to go up to space?
What's the what's the business plan?

Speaker 9 (01:11:23):
Oh, there's I mean, there's there's so many reasons to
go to space. So we're not the ones building the satellite.
We're the ones that want to be able to provide
the taxi service to space. But there's literally hundreds of
reasons to go to space. There's the number of satellites
being launched is increasing dramatically. Just between December and May
this year, the number of satellite operational satellites went from

(01:11:46):
nine thousand to ten thousand, ten percent increase in operational
satellite in only six months. It's the booming industry.

Speaker 3 (01:11:54):
To service you expect to carry people, Yeah, not not in.

Speaker 9 (01:11:59):
Them a short to medium term, yeah, you know, for
the for the foreseeable future, it's all about taking satellites.

Speaker 3 (01:12:07):
Now, you've been talking to the US military and NASA
as well. What are they interested in here?

Speaker 9 (01:12:12):
So discussions with the US military are pretty preliminary. There's
not really really much to talk about there. But are
interested in just keeping tabs on anyone flying high and fast,
So there's there's nothing particularly substantial there. But NASA is
particularly interested in atmospheric science, in simulating Martian gravity. So
because we can fly very high and fast with an aircraft,

(01:12:35):
you can fly it just the right sort of trajectory
so that you actually stimulate the gravity on Mars. So
you can test a whole bunch of equipment that you
kind of send to Mars. You can you can test
it on this plane like a flying lab.

Speaker 3 (01:12:47):
How want and Stephanie, how on Earth if we become
a player in the space race.

Speaker 9 (01:12:52):
Yeah, that's a good question, because we do seem to
be doing oddly good at it. There's hundreds of millions
of dollars being thrown at this industry in the state,
and it's TV companies that are actually coming out on top.
I personally believe it's a kind of a combination of
just the number eight y mentality being really good at

(01:13:13):
making do with what you have, but it's also somewhat
the scarcity. It's the fact that we actually just don't
have the same resources as then that forces us to
come up with better solutions, brilliant stuff.

Speaker 11 (01:13:25):
Man.

Speaker 3 (01:13:26):
Best of Like, I'm looking forward to seeing how you
go with this is Stephen Powell Dawn Aerospace. How cool
is this? These people? I mean, like if you'd said
to me, you know what I remember being I reckon
eight years old. We were living in Massy. I know
it was tough, tough, tough streets to Massy, living in Massy,
and I don't know if you remember this, but you
used to be able to at the supermarket buy like

(01:13:47):
a folder it was Quest. Used to be able to
buy this ring binder called Quest, and then you used
to be able to every week buy the little things
that you could then put in the ring binder. It's
all about science and space and stuff. That you'd said
to me, I was eight years old, New Zealand was
going to become a significant player in the space industry
or what I mean, like, no, not a chance. We
how many of these guys were off buying their little
quests with being collecting it as well. And look where

(01:14:09):
they have gone, Look where I've gone. I mean, they
are obviously doing a lot more with the quest than
I am. When I said earlier that Sir Kia Starmer
is covering for Biden, this is what I mean. He
has met with Joe Biden. He has then obviously been asked,
like everybody who's met with Joe Biden, is he seen ole?
He's asked, but the reporters have asked him that, and
he's denied that Joe Biden is senal. He says, the

(01:14:32):
eighty one year old is absolutely mentally agile and across
all detail during their hour long meeting in Washington. Now,
to be fair, I mean, it's they are in awkward positions,
aren't they the world leaders. The same thing has just
happened with Luxean because he obviously caught up with Worth
Biden briefly and was obviously asked by our reporters what
was up? Was he sharp? He was like, absolutely, he
was sharp. On top of his brief they can't get

(01:14:55):
into a diplomatic incident where they start slagging off the
president and telling us what they really think. Guarantee you
that's not what they really think. But we'll talk to
Gavin Gray about it shortly, Heather, if you work at Bunnings,
Bunnings says you can retaliate with equal force if somebody
is being violent in the store. So if they punch you,
you can punch back. And if they pick up a
piece of a piece of timber, so can you. That's

(01:15:16):
the way to run the place.

Speaker 2 (01:15:17):
Quarter past, crunching the numbers and getting the results.

Speaker 1 (01:15:21):
It's Heather Dupice Ellen with the Business Hours thanks to
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Speaker 3 (01:15:29):
Seventeen past six. Just a reminder, we're going to be
talking to Peter Lewis out of Hong Kong very shortly.
Right now, let's wrap the political week that was. And
Thomas Coglan is The Herald's deputy political editor in for
Barri soober tonight. Thomas, Hello, hello, Heather. Okay, so when
does Darlene Tanner quit?

Speaker 14 (01:15:44):
Yeah, deep breath. I mean there's a real question of
whether she actually does quit. I always think there's a
lot of pressure. We often don't think about situations like
these from the perspectives of the MPs themselves. Now obviously
Darling Tunner in this business situation with the family bike persons,
it's not going so well. As an MP, She's earning
pretty good income, about one hundred and seventy thousand dollars

(01:16:05):
a year. She's got that pretty much guaranteed until the
end of the parliament. So so for personal reasons alone,
she's got plenty of reason to stick around in parliament,
clip the ticket for the next two years and work out.

Speaker 3 (01:16:17):
What she wants to do. But imagine turning up and like,
the whole place doesn't want you there. How awkward that is?

Speaker 14 (01:16:23):
Yeah, you're precisely right, incredibly awkward. She'll sit in the
same kind of Siberia part of the House that Jamie
Rosso of Sharma used to sit, and it's it's hugely embarrassing.
I mean, it is a it is an immensely embarrassing
way to end your political career. But I think there
is a lot of you know, for no other reason
other than your own sort of personal circumstances, there's a

(01:16:44):
lot of pressure to stay and if you're not compelled
to leave for your own sense of pride and self worth,
then you might decide to give into those personal personal
pressures and just say, but you know, I think there
is immense you know, to you really a sort of point,
there's immense kind of political pressure on her to go.
It is the sort of honorable thing to do. Obviously,
now that all of the stuff has come out, that

(01:17:05):
the report is about the executive salary, the report is
about to come out, and I think, you know, following that,
certainly there will be immense kind of public pressure on
her to say, look, you know, this isn't what you
expect from an MP. It really is incumbent upon you
to go.

Speaker 3 (01:17:18):
We spoke to Gareth Hughes, the former Green MP, earlier
in the week and he suggested that the Greens are
not really planning to use the Waker jumping legislation to
force her out. They just want to use it as
a threat.

Speaker 14 (01:17:28):
What do you think That is a really interesting view
from Gareth Hughes. I think we won't know the answer
to that until the AGM. It's at the end of
this month in christ Church, last weekend of the month.
You know, as we remember from a couple of years ago.
The Green members at that AGM wielded an enormous amount
of power. They can even get rid of the leaders
if they want to. Now, I've heard this rumor going around,

(01:17:49):
and it's hard to know how true it is because
these members haven't come to publicly and said it, but
that there is a remit being prepared where the Green
members would be called upon to to to vote in
a remit that would tell the from send the message
from the members to the leadership to trigger the Waker
Jumping Bill. So it's not until that point that we

(01:18:11):
will actually know whether the party wants to use the
Waker Jumping law to get.

Speaker 2 (01:18:15):
Rid of her.

Speaker 14 (01:18:16):
But there's a very there's a very real prospect that
those Green members say, right, you know, we don't like
the Walker jumping law, We've never liked the Walker jumping law,
but what she has done is bad enough that we
actually think we're going to hold our noses and use it.
And if they if they put a remit forward, if
it passes with seventy five percent of the members, then
then that would compel Chloe, Spoulbrock and Mardain and Davidson

(01:18:37):
to write that to the speaker and then she's gone.
But you know, it's an answer that you'll get in
two weeks time, I think, because if she survives after that,
then she's probably good.

Speaker 3 (01:18:45):
Yeah, fair enough, it's a very fair point to make.
How much is lux and loving himself sick at the
moment in Washington? I mean, he looks like he's enjoying himself,
doesn't he.

Speaker 14 (01:18:53):
Oh, yes, kid in a candy shop. You know, there's
noticed some mus I think there's noticed. Something's pretty good
for us. You know, it's thirty one thirty two country
that normally wouldn't give New Zealand at the time of day.
So it's a great opportunity for New Zealand to fly
into the Northern Hemisphere and meet a lot of pretty
serious world leaders who would be out of alley at
the United Nations and stuff. So so, so it's a
great opportunity for any New Zealand Prime minister. But he's

(01:19:15):
he's a self confessed American politics nerd. So it's sort
of it seems to be, you know, like eighty percent
you know, governmental diplomatic relations and perhaps twenty percent political
murdery for Crystal extent at the moment, he seems to
joying himself a.

Speaker 3 (01:19:31):
Lot, so publicly and officially he has to say that
Joe Biden is sharp and across the detail and stuff
like that. But when you guys get him in private,
you know, I don't know, walking in the corridor or something,
is he going to tell you the truth?

Speaker 14 (01:19:42):
It'll be interesting. I mean, the next time I see
him in private, I'll certainly.

Speaker 3 (01:19:45):
Ask him, yeah, please, and then tell me on the
radio us.

Speaker 14 (01:19:51):
See what I can do with keeping my job.

Speaker 3 (01:19:55):
Sold you Hey, listen, can we give New Zealand first
the win on the fairy debark.

Speaker 14 (01:20:00):
Yeah, I have to say this has been the This
has been the week of New Zealand. First, getting to say,
I told you so. They're certainly in the ballpark on
the fiery debarcle. So that tweet, that tweet familiar this week.
It certainly looks like the autopilot was at fault. And also,
you know, we have to say Winston Peters is probably
right on waker jumping. This is certainly a case with
Darling Tana that this is exactly what the waker jumping

(01:20:22):
law is designed for. So pretty good week for New Zealand. First,
I'd say that they're pretty big. I told you sos
and two two very serious areas.

Speaker 18 (01:20:30):
Yep.

Speaker 3 (01:20:30):
I think that's a fair point to make. The Greens
are about to make the week very very good, all
the month very good if they go through with it. Thomas,
thank you so much for stepping and appreciate it. Thomas Coglan,
the Herald's deputy political editor. Here the come on, Darlene
Tanner is staying for the money.

Speaker 18 (01:20:43):
Yep.

Speaker 3 (01:20:44):
Of course she's staying for the money. I mean this
will be this. This is a pretty lucrative, great job.
Here the razor, wait man, what blasts from the past
on this text? Here? The razor is a break dancing Alaricans.
Why are so many New Zealanders taken in by him?
Because he's a break dancing Alarican.

Speaker 18 (01:20:58):
We'll like it.

Speaker 19 (01:20:58):
Six twenty three, Whether it's macro microbe or just playing economics,
it's all on the Business Hour with Heather Duplicy, Allen
and my HR, the HR platform for SME US talks B.

Speaker 3 (01:21:10):
By the way, there is a cooking oil contamination scandal
unfolding in China. Peter Lewis will run us through that shortly. Now,
have you heard of free range parenting. You probably by
now you have this is the idea that you kind
of don't helicopter yet kids. You don't helicopter parent them
more cotton wool them. You sort of let them have
a lot more agency from a very young age. If
you've heard of it, let me tell you the Norwegians

(01:21:33):
take this to the next level. There is a piece
in the Guardian about it. It is like it is
confronting to me as a key we parent to hear
what these guys get up to with their kids. They
let their six year olds basically come home from school.
The school ends there half past one in the afternoon.
They let their six year olds come home and just
hang out by themselves, absolutely no parents there. Until the
parents get home. The six year olds will let themselves in.

(01:21:57):
And this is the case of like an actual couple,
actual family that is being talked about here. The eight
year old got a chef's knife or like a whittling
knife for the eighth birthday. She's now ten years old,
and she is responsible for cooking dinner at least one
night a week for her parents, for the whole family.
So they give a knives at the age of about
eight There's another six year old that the author writes

(01:22:18):
about who walks twenty minutes to the train station, then
catches a twenty minute train to school, and then walks
another twenty minutes to get to the school. And this
kid is starting school. It's something ridiculous like six thirty
in the morning as it is anyway, or seven thirty,
so they're up whatever time. The reason apparently that the
Norwegians are like this with their extreme free range parenting
is that apparently this is what the Vikings used to do.

(01:22:38):
So it goes it's way back in there. It's there,
it's their tea kunger, that's what it is. They were
raised basically in a similar manner manner the Viking kids.
They were treated as adults, and they were expected to
chip in and do work and stuff with everybody else.
But then also after the Nazi occupation, apparently the labor
government that was formed after that believed that everybody needed
to contribute to the rebuilding, and that gluted the kids,

(01:23:00):
and they needed the kids to be strong and hardened
and so on, so they made the kids get in
there as well. But also there's a more modern reason
why this is the case that they free range like
this because mums work. It is about sixty seven percent
of mums who are in employment, so you can't be
at home with the kidies. So the kids have got
a fend for themselves and they do it to the
extent that even though you can buy GPS watches for

(01:23:21):
kids now on track where they are, they will not
buy the GPS watch for the kids because they want
the kids to learn the independence of being out on
their own and disappointing their parents if they don't come
home at time and their parents being freaking out about
it and being worried. They want the kids to learn
all of that stuff. Hey, how do you feel about that?
Confronted headlines?

Speaker 1 (01:23:41):
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Hour with Heather dupleic Ellen and my HR the HR
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Speaker 12 (01:24:00):
Down not so well.

Speaker 3 (01:24:10):
Kevin Gray's going to be with us out of the
UK and slightly more than ten minutes time. Heather, I'm
sixty nine years old. Mum used to tell us at
the weekends when we were ten years old what time
dinner was six pm, and then up to that point
we had a ball Heather We used to live like
free range kids in New Zealand. We rode push bikes
to school all year around. We went home after school,
we played and prepared dinner for when the parents got

(01:24:30):
You did that is impressive. I look forward to making
my one my own personal dinner slave as well, and
prepared dinner for when the parents got home. What has
changed is parents want to be kids' friends these days,
and not the parents. The parents' job is preparing the
child to be able to make sensible decisions care for
themselves and others by creating boundaries and a framework for
the child to learn these skills, not be their friend.

(01:24:52):
Tony Amn one hundred percent. You're not your child's friend.
If you think of your child's friend, ooh, you're in trouble.
My mom had to intervene though, to be fair, I mean,
let's be honest about it, right. You have to learn
to be a parent. It's you spend your entire adult life.
And I think this is especially true for people who
become parents later in life. You know, like if you

(01:25:12):
maybe if you become a parent in your early twenties,
it's a different experience. But I've become a parent in
my late thirties. I've spent my entire adult life trying
to keep the peace between people, do you know what
I mean? Like be amicable, have a nice time, be polite,
you know, don't create it, Like you learn to kind
of keep the piece in then nick minute that outside
of this radioh yeah that you people cop it? You

(01:25:33):
people cop it. You're asking for it.

Speaker 2 (01:25:34):
No, just joking.

Speaker 3 (01:25:35):
Obviously you're the loveliest. I mean, I just think you're
wonderful and everything you have to deal with is just
so unfortunate. Anyway, then you've got a baby that arrives
and then all of a sudden you have to snap
out of keeping the peace mode and you've got to
snap into discipline mode. And that's quite a bit. Anyway.
My mum came by one day and she was like, right,
so the problem that you've got is that he's in
charge of this house and you're not. And just like that,

(01:25:55):
flick the switch. Stop being his mate, started being his mummy.
And it was the most wonderful after that. If you know,
if you're in charge, and you know that you're in charge,
just like a piece that comes upon you, isn't it. Anyway,
Tony's got the best advice. You're not your friend, You're
not your child's friends. Stop it. Twenty two away from
seven Tailor du see Ala Peter Lewis Asia Business correspondents
with us right now, Hello, Peter, Good evening head. Now

(01:26:16):
do we believe China when it says it's not supporting
Russia's war in Ukraine?

Speaker 16 (01:26:22):
In some ways we do. I think, you know, it's
not suplipplying weapons directly to Russia, but nevertheless it is
supplying what is known as dual use technology, in other words,
technology for industrial purposes, but nevertheless could be converted to
more in the various means and can be used in

(01:26:45):
the weapons production that Russia needs to pursue the war
in Ukraine. I think more importantly where the support from
China is coming is economically. It's buying a lot of
goods from Russia, It's buying a lot of cheap oil
from Russia, and it's providing in effect through that a
lot of financing that Russia desperately needs in order to

(01:27:06):
be able to continue the war in Ukraine. So I
think it's getting to the point where up to now,
China's had the best of both worlds. It's been able
to do this, but at the same time it's also
been able to pursue its relationship with the EU. The
EU is basically saying this can't continue. You can't expect

(01:27:28):
to have this no limits friendship with Russia and at
the same time want to have normal relationships with US.
So I think the pressure is going to continue to
be ratcheted.

Speaker 18 (01:27:39):
Up on China.

Speaker 3 (01:27:41):
I've got their third Planeum this, I think? Is it
next week?

Speaker 12 (01:27:45):
It is?

Speaker 18 (01:27:46):
Yep.

Speaker 16 (01:27:46):
What are we expecting for four days? Well, I'm not
expecting an awful lot, but there are people around who
are hoping that there's going to be some real policy
changes to help deal with all the structure with cyclical
economic problems that China has got. Historically, these third planems

(01:28:07):
I mean the third Plenum. There are seven of them
in each five year cycle, for each government cycle. The
third one is normally the most important because it's the
chance for the new leadership to set out its thinking
on economic issues, in particular, set its economic strategy for
the next five years. So in the past, these third

(01:28:29):
planums have often come up with some quite dramatic announcements.
It was at the third Plenum in nineteen seventy eight
that denshell Ping announced the opening up of China and
pivoting more towards a market role for the economy, because
at that time it was very much the Soviet model
of central planning. President G used his first Third Plenum

(01:28:52):
in twenty thirteen to make some big changes and also
pivot to this focus on national security. Lenms do potentially
have the opportunity to throw up some new things. I
don't think that's going to happen this time. I think,
first of all, it's because the economic problems that China
has gossipt the moment are very well entrenched and very

(01:29:14):
difficult for them to solve. And I think also more importantly,
I think the solutions that China could come up with
are being ruled out for ideological reasons. I don't think
China wants to move more down the road of a
market economy, and China doesn't really trust its private businesses

(01:29:34):
and its entrepreneurs. I mean, you know, President G has
said many times, you know, he doesn't like the idea
of people earning too much money. He thinks there almost
should be a cap on the amount that you could earn. Well,
that's not very good if you're an entrepreneur where you
take risks, very big risks, but you want very big
rewards as well. So it's stifling the entrepreneurial nature of

(01:29:57):
the country. President g doesn't like building anything close to
what looks like a welfare state, so he doesn't want
to expand childcare. He doesn't want to do things that
could help people who are unemployed. It doesn't want to have,
you know better, have private education or anything like that.
So all the things that could be done to help

(01:30:18):
the economy are sort of ruled out before they even
get to get started. So I think it's going to
be very difficult to see any concrete changes in China's
economic policy next week.

Speaker 3 (01:30:30):
Oh yeah, that's a disappointment. Hey, Peter, thank you very much,
appreciate it. We'll talk to you in a week's time.
It's Peter Lewis, Asia Business correspondent. Hither you have got
to check out the awesome video clip online at Henderson Woolworth's.
It's an item called Unbeflievable Moment. Yeah, okay, and I
know the one, okay, So what it is? What it
is is, let me explain this to you. The copper
is the hero in this video in as Michelle Say's

(01:30:52):
on the text Henderson Wilworth's, it's the security camera video
from within the store, and it's you see this clown
with a basket, like a shopping basket, and it's chocer
block full of meat items. And you know how when
you go into the store, you go through those little
funny little bars that hit you on the thighs, like
as you go through, it's like three of them, and
it means you can't go back the other way. Well,

(01:31:14):
this clown with this bag of like a shopping bag
full of meat is going the wrong way, climbing over
these things at the very point that he manages to
get through and back out the door and is basically
gonna make off with a whole bunch of groceries he
hasn't paid for. A off duty police officer is coming
into the store. This guy doesn't even break his step
buy he sees what's going on. This is the cop

(01:31:36):
goes up to the chap with the basket in his hand.
Cop just walks up to him, takes the basket out
of his hand, looks like with the other hand he
smacks the guy on the hand or something, and just
walks into the store, just walks straight into the cop
doesn't break his steps like he's just casually casual as
you like, just confiscates the basket. And then the lingering
footage as of old mate with his socks and his
jandles sort of just looking at like what just happened.

(01:31:59):
I mean, I appreciated how slick the undercover off duty
cop was. I do hope that once he'd offloaded all
the meat into the chiller asle, he went back and
arrested the guy. Obviously sixteen away from seven.

Speaker 2 (01:32:12):
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Speaker 3 (01:32:22):
It'd be Kevin Gray, UK correspondents with US. Hey, hey, Devin,
Hi there, Gevin. Now, this cannot be popular, emptying the
prisons because they're at capacity.

Speaker 22 (01:32:32):
I know it isn't popular. It's something that the previous
government I think half realized was happening and took a
mini go up. But this government get a grapple it
and announced something today. We believe what is happening is
currently the prison numbers are virtually at capacity. And when
I say virtually, I really mean, they are, you know,

(01:32:53):
ninety eight ninety nine percent full. The problem is that
all of a sudden the course, if the courts get busy,
then there is nowhere for any prisoner to be sent
once those places have been filled up, and they are
really I think it's down to some seven hundred spaces available.
That may sound a lot, but actually when you consider
eighty three thousand, almost a three thousand, four hundred currently

(01:33:17):
being held, you can see what a small percentage of
capacity is left. So this government, we believe later is
going to announce what they're doing to address prison overcrowding,
and one of the ways in doing that is currently
as a system that you are released after fifty percent
of your sentence, if you behaved yourself, if you meet
different criteria, et cetera. They're now looking at saying if

(01:33:38):
you just serve forty percent of your sentence and it's
a non violent, non sexual prosecution, then you'll get out early.
But as you say, lots and lots of people saying
this just sends out all the wrong signals.

Speaker 3 (01:33:54):
Yeah, totally. Hey, do we know what was in that?
I mean, we know there were human remains in those suitcases,
But do we know what.

Speaker 22 (01:34:00):
No, but this is a pretty gruesome story. So Clifton
Suspension Bridge, Bristol, West of England, one of Britain's most
famous landmarks. It's Isambard Kingdom. Brunell Bridge suspended a couple
of hundred feet above a gorge with a river beneath it,
and a couple of nights back, two suitcases were found

(01:34:20):
there after a man ran off having acted suspiciously, and
the supermarkets began sorry, the suitcases began to leak blood
and sure enough when the police got there, they found
human remains inside them. Now they've got a really good
picture of the person that left them, so there is
an appeal for him to come forward or for people
that know him to hand him in or at least

(01:34:42):
give them an identity. We don't yet know the identity
of the person that was found in these suitcases. But
pretty gruesome stuff, as you can imagine, and all rather
sort of captivating of some sort of a mini sery
there I say it on television like the Opening Sea.
People have been comparing it to that.

Speaker 3 (01:35:02):
Yeah, I think you bang on with them. Would you
know somebody's going to be watching and probably thinking about it,
and the reality stars who are in court. Do we
know who they are?

Speaker 22 (01:35:10):
Yes, we do, so they won't be famous names, but
they're from fairly famous shows there. The only way is
Essex looking at set of Reality in southeast of England.
Somebody they're called Lauren Goodge, somebody off Love Island and
another one off Geordie Shaw have been charged with promoting
an unauthorized investment scheme to their followers on Instagram. So

(01:35:31):
basically all investment schemes have to be certified here in
the UK as being basically clear, transparent and real. And
the allegations are that some of these social media styles
who have turned into sort of social media influences as
it were, are now set for trial. They face up
to two years if convicted, and the Financial Conduct Authority

(01:35:53):
brought the charges against them a legend they were paid
to promote a high risk trading scheme on social media
between twenty eighteen and twenty twenty one. Indeed, it was
said that one of the schemes that was invested and
many millions of people follow these people, but eighty percent
of customers who bought into one scheme have lost money
and collectively those on trial have four and a half

(01:36:16):
million follows on Instagram, and I think this is something
we're going to see more and more of. So plenty
of people applauding the Financial Conduct Authority for bringing this
to court or see how they get on. So far
those accused deny any wrongdoing.

Speaker 3 (01:36:28):
That's really interesting. Gavin, look after yourself. Thank you, enjoy
your weekend. That's Kevin Gray are UK correspondent Pretty rough
over at TV and ZI. I mean we've we've spent
a bit of time lately, I suppose talking about what's
been going on with the media and how tough it
is in the media, with you know, the likes of
news Hub closing down and stuff like that going on.
TV and Z is having a tough time because they've
already they've already probably booked a loss of about thirty

(01:36:51):
three million dollars for the financial year that just ended
a couple of weeks ago. We won't know, I guess
until they prepa all the documents and stuff again, but
that was what they were expecting, thirty three million dollars.
They we are now predicting for the next financial year
another twenty nine million dollar loss. So if they're right,
if their forecasts come to fruition. We're talking about in
the space of two years, losing sixty two million dollars.

(01:37:14):
That's enormous, So I would say, I mean, the first
thing obviously is expect more job cuts at TV and
Z and frankly expect more program cuts and also by
now relieving them of a dividend has got to be
a serious consideration for cabinets, so keep an eye out
for that. Also, the word is that rn z's building

(01:37:35):
building lease expires in April, which is just down the
road from TV and Z, and the Broadcasting Minister, Paul
Goldsmith wants RNZ to move in with TV and Z.
We're given all the job cuts and program cuts of
TV and Z, there's obviously going to be space, so
that seems like a smart idea, don't you think. So
we don't need to be paying for the leases of
two buildings. Just check the one in with the other one.
And in other good money saving news, officials have started

(01:37:57):
working on possibly merging enz it on air and the
New Zealand Film Commission now ends it on air fund's
TV programs and the New Zealand Film Commission films funds films,
and you'd have to say that in the modern age,
the difference between the two of them is not that big, right,
because you can have a film or you can have
a TV program. Both of them end up on the
same streaming service like Netflix, So put them into one

(01:38:19):
seems like a really good idea. Seven away from seven, Whether.

Speaker 1 (01:38:22):
It's macro MicroB or just playing economics, it's all on
The Business Hour with Heather Duplicy Allen and my HR,
the HR platform for SME used talksp.

Speaker 3 (01:38:33):
Hither the problem with kids these days is there's too
much time for naval gazing, home responsibilities and part time jobs.
Hod On, I think this is two different sentences. Hither,
there's too much time for naval gazing.

Speaker 2 (01:38:43):
Stop.

Speaker 3 (01:38:44):
What you need is home responsibilities and part time jobs
and earn the money you spend yep. I think that's
pretty good advice. I've got a dick of the day
for you. It was really the dick yesterday, but we
only found out about him today, so he could be
the dick of both days. Actually, a twenty eight year
old man who flew into the country in police custody
on Aqatar Airways plane yesterday just as the plane was

(01:39:06):
landing at Auckland airport, he opened the door and then
he fell onto the tarmac and he hurt himself, which
I could have told him was going to happen anyway.
The reason he did this, I mean, how he even
knew how to open the door, like, I don't even
I know. They explained it to me every single time,
but it does look like it's actually quite complicated and heavy.
He did it, he fell on the tarmac, and the

(01:39:27):
reason he did it was because he was trying to
run away from the cops, because he's trying to get
out of their custody. Well, when he hurt himself, they
got him and they charged him and he will have
appeared in court today and if he has found guilty
of the thing that he was charged with, something to
do with civil aviation law or something like that, he
could go to jail for a year and a.

Speaker 23 (01:39:43):
Woman's well by Katy Perry to play us out tonight.
This is the first single off her upcoming album. It's
just come out in the last twenty four hours or so.
The album is going to be called one four to three,
which I was completely bamboozled by.

Speaker 8 (01:39:58):
But I looked it up.

Speaker 23 (01:40:00):
Apparently this used to be like before cell phones when
people used pages. If you wanted to send a message
to someone saying I love you, you would send one
four three, which four three, which presumably looks vaguely like
a little love heart on like the old digital displays
that would have been on pages. So I worked out
I must be just ten years too young to get
this particular reference.

Speaker 3 (01:40:21):
But one four three one four three it doesn't look
anything like a love heart well.

Speaker 23 (01:40:26):
On like the old digital ones. Though, you know when
everything was like a kind of weird digital clock and stuff.

Speaker 3 (01:40:31):
Oh yeah, because the four was like fatter, he was compressed,
so he was shorter and squatter. Yeah, and then you
can maybe and so was the three. So to the
top of the heart.

Speaker 23 (01:40:40):
I'd seen bottom of mans was weird?

Speaker 3 (01:40:42):
Here, what's going on with the other day? Somebody texts
me on the show? And you remember, back in the
old Nokias, you used to have to, like, if you
wanted to say, like, type a certain lesson, you'd have
to type it three times on the same key and
then and then you'd go to the space. But if
you hit the space twice, it would do a full stop. Yes,
literally between every single word was a full stop. I
was like, mate, you're still running a nock you aren't you? Man?

Speaker 23 (01:41:03):
Sure I used to get so good at doing that
fast and now it's a useless skill.

Speaker 17 (01:41:06):
I hate that.

Speaker 3 (01:41:07):
Yeah, it's a pussy. We put a lot of hours
into it. Hey, enjoy your weekend and next week. See
you in a couple of weeks by now.

Speaker 1 (01:41:16):
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