Full Show Podcast: 17 February 2025

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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Digging through the spin spence to find the real story,
or HiT's Ryan Bridge on hither du for see Ellen
Drive with One New Zealand Let's Get Connected and news
Talks that'd be.

Speaker 2 (00:14):
It is four oh seven Coming up on the show,
Tembi Powell on Ukraine? Do they actually want peace if
it means giving up a fifth of their country? The
economist who reckons we shouldn't, Yes, shouldn't cut the OCEA.
This week the latest on this eighteen year old overstay
hoping not to be given the boot after five point thirty.
Trishuson and Josie Bugani on The Huddle and Freightway's Boss

(00:35):
Here after six thirty p sevening Ryan Bridge, Good afternoon, everybody.
I've been away for a few days and I really
have missed chatting to you. And when I say that,
what I actually mean is I've missed arguing with you,
which I enjoy doing. I love doing it. Unfortunately, the
past few days were spent with my family, which meant
I argued with them about politics and all sorts of things,

(00:55):
which annoyed them no end as you can imagine. So
what I've done is made a list of things that
we need to discuss this afternoon, all right. Number one,
those political polls kiwis are not saying that they would
vote for the lefties. Luckson's not at risk of being
turfed out. We're simply sick of feeling poor and we're

(01:16):
sending a bat signal. Sort it out, Luxon. And if
the forecast ring true, which is a big if given
recent experience, we should be in for brighter days come
quarter three, quarter four this year and into next year,
which is why Luxon should be preparing to call an
early election next year. Stay with me, Stay with me
once things are looking up, grab the momentum, tell the

(01:39):
public you need their backing to cement the progress, and
bam second term, maybe even without the need for a
three way deal, which is really obviously weighing him down.
Number two, Brian Tummocky is a giant tit. You can't
tell your buddies to go storm a council building and
then congratulate them when the videos shows scrapping and punching.

(02:02):
It doesn't seem particularly christian, Brian, does it? I also
wonder and have you just looking at him? Does he
get his eyebrows professionally done? And if he does, is
that not a bit queer? Brian? Number three, and this
is not particularly related to the protest, but do we
need to paint all of the crossings and rainbow colors? Personally?

(02:24):
It does not make me feel safer or more included
in the world. If anything, the whole situation has probably
antagonized the extreme end of the other side, making everyone
a little less safe on the streets. Can we all
just chill out a little bit? Please? And thank you?
Number four good news for super Rugby. Change is made,
the vibe is good, the game is quicker, people seem

(02:45):
enthused by the play. At the weekend, quick and speedy
wins the race. And finally number five, Everyone must go
is not a tourism campaign slogan. It is a barking
order and people don't like those, even the odds who
are a bit more bossy and bulshy than us. Where
the bloody how are you? A charming question from a

(03:06):
bikini clad check on the beach. Quite nice, fijimi, great
play on words, sounds rather relaxing luxen telling you that
everyone must go not so enticing, not so relaxing. Room
for improvement. I'd say two out of ten. Cryan Bridge
after four News talk se b. Trump's advisors are on

(03:28):
the way to Saudi Arabia as we speak to begin
negotiations with Russia to end the war in Ukraine. But
Ukraine itself is being left out. European leaders are mythed
no invite for them either. They're having a crisis summit
in Paris in a few hours instead. Jeffrey Price is
a former Special Council for International Affairs in the US
Department of Defense. He has been part of negotiations with

(03:52):
Russia and he's with me. Good afternoon, Good afternoon, thanks
for being with me. Do you nut out a deal
without Ukrying even being in the room?

Speaker 3 (04:03):
I doubt that they will get to a deal without
Ukraine being part of it. And this is very early days.
I mean normally, when I was involved in a negotiatingtion
like this, we would get everybody together at the White House,
agree a strategy and a message, and then talk to
the allies and then go negotiate with the Russians. But

(04:23):
a lot of it seems to be coming out sort
of a piecemeal here, and the Ukrainians and the Russians
are very far apart right now, so it seems to
me that unless we get more pressure on Russia, it's
going to be hard to get to something which is
acceptable to both sides.

Speaker 2 (04:45):
America is supplying a huge amount of money and weapons,
though they have quite a bit of influence, presumably, can
they not just you know, I mean they hold all
the clouds down there.

Speaker 3 (04:56):
Well, the United States has been providing the bulk the
military assistance, the Europeans actually the bulk of the economic assistance,
so it's been sort of a balance there. But you know,
President Trump has said he wants to end the war
really quickly, so that gives him, yes, quite quite a
bit of influence. But the problem is that Putin. You know,

(05:17):
when you give putin a gift, it's not like Valentine's
Day and you expect something in return. He thinks it's
Christmas and just wants more concessions. So I think we
need to be in a position where we can, you know,
put incentives on the table where he fears that there's
more military assistance coming, maybe more sanctions, And that's what
we're going to have to see in Saudi Arabia in

(05:39):
the next few weeks.

Speaker 2 (05:40):
You've dealt with obviously, you've said you've dealt with the
Russians before that, agreed to deals before and then they
have walked them back plenty of times. If it works,
how long will it last. So it seems to me that.

Speaker 3 (05:55):
Negotiating from a position and strength is important one to
get a deal, but two to keep a deal. To
your point, because if if Russia has its way and
Ukraine is in a very weak position, that just makes
it more likely that the world will start again. So
any lasting deal is going to have to have very
substantial security guarantees. It's going to have to leave Ukraine

(06:19):
in a military position where it can deter more aggression.
And that's what's being talked about not just between the
Americans and the Russians right now, but also among the
Europeans themselves. And there's going to have to be a
conversation between the Americans and the Europeans about what kind
of a force is going to is going to be

(06:39):
available to guarantee any solution, if there is one, because
at the moment, it's altim to stick to get one soon.

Speaker 2 (06:46):
At the moment the White House is saying nothing. America
won't help with that. You know NATO won't be helping
with that. So do you think they'll have to actually
to make this work, to make this long lasting, They're
going to have to get involved.

Speaker 3 (07:01):
It seems to me that there's going to have to
be a NATO element to a credible force. That's my opinion.
I mean, in the war in Bosnia, the last time
we had a major war in Europe, you saw a
fairly ineffective European peacekeeping force led by the UN that
wasn't able to keep the peace. It was replaced by

(07:22):
a very effective NATO led force, which in that case
did have about a one third American participation. That's a
model of how to make a military force that works.
Now Trump has said that we won't be sort of
directly involved, but it seems to me that any European
force that's going to have credibility, it would be best

(07:43):
if it was organized on a NATO model.

Speaker 2 (07:46):
Fascinating stuff. Jeffrey, thank you very much for your input.
Jeffrey Price, former Special Council for International Affairs in the
US Department of Defense. He's been there at the table
with the Russians forforce, so he knows a thing or
two about what he's talking about. Fourteen minutes after full
here on News Talks. Lots of your texts coming in,
we'll get to them shortly. Also, we're getting to sport.
Jason pineers with us.

Speaker 1 (08:07):
It's the Heather du Bussy Allen Drive Full Show podcast
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Speaker 2 (08:15):
News Talks ZB. It is seventeen minutes after four. Lots
of texts, will get to them shortly. Right now, though,
Winston Peters has just put out a press release. He's
finally appointed some directors to Ferry Holdings Limited. This is
the company that is going to supposedly acquire or purchase
these new fairies that'll get us across the Cook strait.
He has announced Chris mackenzie as the new chair. Deputy

(08:37):
chair is one Heather Simpson, who you may remember from
Helen Clark Days, and director Greg Lowe, who says they
bring substantial and specific expertise for the no nonsense delivery
of cost effective infrastructure in New Zealand. It is eighteen
after four.

Speaker 4 (08:54):
Brian Bridge Jason.

Speaker 2 (08:55):
Piners with US sports talk hosts. Lots to discuss Jason,
good afternoon, Good afternoon. Right, So the rugby at the
weekend seems to have got everyone quite fizzed up.

Speaker 5 (09:04):
Yeah, I think so. You know, it's a good formula,
isn't it. The start of the season. Lots of tries,
close matches, couple of one pointers, all three of the
Australian sides who played had a win, and we will
know that we want a competitive competition. We can't just
have the New Zealand sides dominating year after year after year,
although that would be nice. But I think by all

(09:25):
metrics it's reached. It's reached a really good level. I
haven't seen any official viewer numbers, but anecdotally a couple
of couple of sources at Sky have told me that
numbers were very, very high over the weekend, good people
turning out at ground. So yeah, I think a lot
to be happy about in the first week.

Speaker 2 (09:42):
Have we had any numbers on how much play there
was happening compared to before the rule changes which were
designed to speed things up.

Speaker 5 (09:51):
Yeah, olock, I haven't seen any empirical data, but look again, anecdotally,
there were fewer stoppages over the weekend. Right, it was
just obvious the play was being was being encouraged to
be played. You know, the shot clocks and the time
limits now on setting scrums and getting the ball to
line out all that stuff. I think it's you know,
it's a really promising start. The officials played their part,

(10:14):
the teams obviously did as well. There was a lot
of fatigue, which I love. That's what's supposed to happen.
You know, you run until you can't run anymore, they'll
bring somebody else on. So yeah, look, I think a
really promising start. Yes, there's still a bit of work
to do, but yeah, I don't think they could have
wanted for a better, better opening weekend of Super Rugby
this year.

Speaker 2 (10:30):
Absolutely not even a few streakers for good measure.

Speaker 5 (10:34):
Indeed, I don't know whether that's a line or a spreadsheet,
but if for a steamer can ticket as well.

Speaker 2 (10:40):
There certainly were some spreadsheet spread photos at the end
of it. Hey Auckland to see. So they are now
five points clear of the pack in the A League.

Speaker 5 (10:53):
They could win the whole thing. I was driving in
today thinking at what point do we start to say,
you know what, in their first season, Auckland FC could
win the A League Because if you're not a believer now,
you won't be. I look back to last season, similar
stage and the team who won it last year the
regular season at the same stage had eight fewer points

(11:14):
than Auckland have now, so look that they are looking
every inch a team that will if they don't win,
it will go very very deep in their first season.
Massive game coming up on Saturday, Ryan with the third
derby Wellington Phoenix have had an unhappy season by comparison,
but that won't matter on Saturday. Jam Pac mount Smart.
The forecast is good, said to be another great occasion.
So yeah, Auckland FC making every post winner and it

(11:37):
wouldn't be a surprise at all at the back end
of May to see them holding some silverware.

Speaker 2 (11:40):
Brilliant Jason. Great to have you on as always, Jason Pine.
He'll be with you tonight at seven o'clock on News Talks.
There'd be twenty one after four now, Phil says, please
tell the Hurricanes to stop kicking the ball away. We
should have won that by twenty points. Thank you. Phil.
Back in a second, numbers for you on visitor arrivals
and also the migration stats out today as well. I'll
run you through those, moving the big stories of the

(12:02):
day forward.

Speaker 1 (12:04):
It's Ryan Bridge on Hither duplice allan drive with one
New Zealand let's get connected news talks.

Speaker 2 (12:10):
He'd be four Powell on the situation in Ukraine. He
does a lot of work, a lot of good work
in terms of aid and in terms of charity affiliations
in Ukraine. He's with us after five to talk about
the situation. This text says if you, and makes a
good point, if you're one of the Baltic states, Lithuania, Estonia, Latvia,
you would be extremely concerned about how this Ukraine war ends.

(12:35):
Russia appears to be doing quite well out of this
deal so far, at least the way that it's been
spoken about by Trump. Those Baltic states will be wondering
when Putin is going to come a knocking on their door.
And it seems that Vladimir Zelenski, the Ukrainian president, feels
the same way. He's what he had to say, I
will never acceupt any decisions between the United States and

(12:55):
Russia about Ukraine. Never, and our people never. There you go.
It's quite unequivocal, isn't it. Twenty five minutes after four?
I guess the question is, and this is to what
our guest earlier was speaking about. Who's been at the
table with the Russians the Americans are bankrolling their war basically,
so to what extent did they get to dictate the terms?

(13:16):
Some numbers for you today from stats in ZED. This
is visitor arrivals for last year three point three million
in the year to December. That is up twelve percent.
Who are they, well, the Australian's up ten percent, China
up sixty four percent, the US up ten percent, which
is great. There's an extra two two hundred flights international

(13:37):
flights coming into New Zealand last year than there was
the year before. Though you would expect that, wouldn't you,
because remember it was only the end of twenty twenty
two that we were in that horrible lockdown or one
of the many horrible lockdowns that was putting people off
coming here. So you would expect that the international flights
would be coming back, and they are. So the top
five visitors there were one point four million from Australia.

(13:58):
What's our slogan again, come everyone must come or everyone
must go one point four everyone must go. Every one
point four million of them coming here, the US three
hundred and seventy thousand of them came here. Now that
was a record for any year in history. China two
hundred and forty eight thousand, the UK one hundred and
eighty thousand, in India eighty three thousand. Now I hear

(14:20):
what you're asking. Yes, these are visitors, Ryan, but how
many of them are actually coming here to be tourists
and are not just the kids who've fled New Zealand's
economic refugees and then come back to visit mum and
dad for the holidays. Well, I can tell you. In
twenty twenty four there were one point six million arrivals
into New Zealand. That was up twenty one percent from

(14:41):
twenty twenty three. The holiday was the main purpose of travel,
given by just over halfs In other words, half we're
here for tourism, a third we're here visiting friends and relatives,
and the remainder were presumably bit of business. So there
you go. I've got some migration figures for you as well,
but I won't hit you with we'll figures back to back.
So that much, isn't it. And we'll get to that

(15:02):
a little later. On twenty seven after four News Talk
zimb We've got Verry Soper to come. Plus we are
live to Australia for the latest on dozen breaking up
insurance companies.

Speaker 1 (15:21):
He recapping the day's big news and making tomorrow's headlines.
It's Ryan Bridge on hither do for see Ellen Drive
with one New Zealand let's get connected. News Talk Zibe.

Speaker 2 (15:49):
Pretty five away from five year own News Talk ZIBB
coming up after five, We're going to talk about the OCR.
It is happening this week. This is what we hope,
well some people hope it is happening this week. Then
it will be cut another fifty basis points, another half
of percent. Though there are those naysayers, and we have
one of them on the program after five, an economists
who says that we shouldn't be cutting the OCR despite

(16:11):
all of the doom and the gloom that you can see.
I mean, even look at the company reporting the half
year results that we're getting through today and we will
be getting for the rest of the week. They're not
great reading, are they. And you look at the tourism numbers,
and you look at the migration numbers. They're not great numbers,
are they. So don't we need a bit of a
shot in the arm. We hear a contrarian view after

(16:31):
five here on News Talks there B it is twenty
four away from it's.

Speaker 1 (16:35):
The world wires on news talks'd be drive.

Speaker 2 (16:38):
Mixed messages from US diplomats about whether European countries will
play any role in these Ukrainian peace talks. Here's the
US envoid to Russia and Ukraine answering a question at
the Munich Security Conference.

Speaker 6 (16:50):
Can you assure this audience that Ukrainians will be at
the table and Europeans.

Speaker 7 (16:55):
Will be at the table.

Speaker 3 (16:56):
The answer to that last question, just as you've framed it,
The answer is no. Answered to the earlier part of
that question is yeah, of course, the Ukraine news are
going to be at the table.

Speaker 2 (17:04):
Here you got Michael Rubio, who's on his way to
mate with the Russian says Ukraine and Europe will be
included if.

Speaker 8 (17:11):
It's real negotiations, and we're not there yet, but if
that were to happen, were Ukraine will have to be
involved because they're the ones that were invaded, and the
Europeans will have to be involved because they have sanctions
on Putin and Russia as well, and they contributed to
this effort. We're just not there yet.

Speaker 2 (17:26):
Rubio has been on a bit of a road trip
in the Middle East, his trip has been seen him
go west to Too Sorry West Jerusalem, where he's met
with his Raley Prime Minister Beniamin Nityahu Nitinya, who's once
again called for Hamas to release all of the hostages.

Speaker 9 (17:40):
We have a common strategy, and we can't always share
the details of this strategy with the public, including when
the gates of hell will be opened, as they surely
will if all our hostages are not released.

Speaker 2 (17:56):
Finally, this afternoon, some shortlifters and Michigan and the United
States have been ordered by a judge to return to
the scene of their crime and wash cars. How novel,
the thieves will provide a free car wash service on
the weekends and the car park of the Walmart where

(18:16):
they were caught stealing. From the judge, who is also
going to be washing cars alongside the offenders, says he
hopes this public humiliation will discourage the thieves from targeting
Walmart ever again.

Speaker 1 (18:30):
International correspondence with Ends and Eye Insurance Peace of Mind
for New Zealand business.

Speaker 2 (18:36):
Olli Peterson's with US six PR Perth Live presents a
Olli Good Afternoon, Good afternoon, Ryan. So Peter doesn't says
he'll break up the big insurance companies. But then his
deputy is kind of walking it back.

Speaker 10 (18:46):
Well, they haven't quite made up their minds yet. Of
course he's in a coalition arrangement. So whatever the Liberal
Party says, the Nationals don't have to agree to, and
whatever the Nationals say that Leaves don't have to agree
to until they're once again in government. But look, you know,
I don't mind this shot across the bow that Peter
Dutton sitting insurers. I'll give you an example. On Friday,
IAG recorded a half year profit here in Australia of

(19:09):
seven hundred and seventy eight million dollars RYAN. That's an
increase of ninety one percent compared to the same time
last year. The CEO himself gave himself a seventy eight
percent pay rise in that year.

Speaker 11 (19:21):
It's almost as much.

Speaker 10 (19:21):
As people's insurance premiums are going up, and we get
in undated with feedback here on outsook back lines just
about the sky rocketing hikes to insurance premiums, whether that
be motor vehicle, home and contents insurance, health insurance, it
is starting to become unaffordable. So I think asking those
questions of the insurers and lots of people give us

(19:42):
the examples that they might be able to go and
reinsure their car with a different player and they can
get fifty percent savings. Explain it to us like if
you're if you're recording a half year profit of a
ninety one percent increase, yere on you. And we understand
there are more natural disasters. We understand the reinsurance of
insurance with fires in Los Ange, for example, is affecting
the Australian market. But some of these hikes that Australians

(20:04):
are experiencing on an annual basis to their insurance premiums,
they just don't seem.

Speaker 11 (20:09):
To add up.

Speaker 2 (20:10):
Yeah, well, we have the same story over here at
the side of the testament. I can assure you with
our insurance companies making a good coin. But as you say,
weather events in previous years, we risk going forward all
that kind of stuff. But hey, it's good politics, isn't it.
Good Politicists from Peter Dutton, a labor minister, on the
other hand, are ignoring the Treasurer's instructions to just leave
the Reserve Bank alone. Please.

Speaker 10 (20:32):
Oh, they are going as hard as they can because
Michelle Bullock has started that two day meeting and we'll
get in an announcement by this time tomorrow. Ryan, whether
or not the interest rates will fall four point three
five percent is the cashtright in Australia at the moment.
I think every single economist is hedging their bets that
there will be a quarter of a percent cut tomorrow.
I'm not so certain, and not that I know more

(20:53):
than an economist, but you just go through and I
was reading all of her notes from her last Board meeting,
nothing where she mentions that she's even contemplating cutting rates,
and I just think she might hold tomorrow because of
the fact that we're almost in a federal election cycle.
She might just wait till the next board meeting, which
is only a few weeks away. Having said that, you

(21:14):
have got every single labor MP under the sun coming
out like Sam Ray, I want to cut. My community
needs a cut. My job is to stand up to
the community we need a cut. They Straighten's deserve our
thanks and praise. As the Assistant Immigration Minister, Matt this
will wait. Tanya plybus X says, any of us who've
got a mortgage would like a cut, that's for sure.
And as you say, Jim Chalmers, the Treasurer, has told
all of his fellow labor politicians just don't talk about it,

(21:37):
just don't mention it.

Speaker 11 (21:38):
It's not our job.

Speaker 10 (21:38):
They're independent of us, and they just ignored his advice.
They've just gone out there to fly that. I mean,
this is great political grandstanding as well, isn't it, Because
if they cut tomorrow, then all these pollisis take the.

Speaker 2 (21:47):
Credit for it. Absolutely. Hey, record number of people traveling
to Melbourne? How many because we just had numbers one
point four million dozzi Is came to New Zealand last year,
So how many of you are going to Melbourne?

Speaker 10 (21:59):
Well, just in January alone, three million international visitors who
decided to descend on Melbourne. I don't think it's just
three million international business that obviously includes domestic I should say,
but I think January Melbourne is pretty good time a year.

Speaker 11 (22:12):
Australian Open is obviously on.

Speaker 10 (22:14):
You've also got the Chinese New Year, the Victoria's Lunar
New Year celebrations are huge and they've just recently.

Speaker 11 (22:20):
Announced more direct services to the United States.

Speaker 10 (22:22):
I think there's three flights a week these days on
Delta Airways between Melbourne and the US, so they're obviously
very happy to see three the three million mark past
in January, and well maybe I'll add to the well
you say one point four million Australians came to New
Zealand last year.

Speaker 11 (22:39):
I might add to that tally sooner other than later
on and head your wife.

Speaker 2 (22:41):
That's interesting. So is that three million for the year
to January going to Melbourne?

Speaker 11 (22:46):
It is?

Speaker 10 (22:46):
Was the place it with more than three million passengers
welcome through airport terminals in January?

Speaker 2 (22:51):
In January, justice in January. Yes, goodness, may well we
have people, isn't it. Well, well, this certainly is when
you consider we have three point three million for the
entire year to December here in New Zealand. Thank you
very much, OLLI great to have you on as always.
Oli Peterson six PR Perth Live presenter with us from Australia,
just gone eighteen minutes away from five. I'll give you
those numbers on migration. In fact, I can give them

(23:13):
to you right now. Let's get this over with because
it's not great, okay. Twenty twenty four we had a
net gain of twenty seven thousand in New Zealand. Twenty
twenty three one hundred and twenty eight thousand. So we're
way down mainly due to few of foreigners coming here.
And it sounds bad. Well, I guess it depends on
which way you look at it. It could be bad
or it could be good, whether you want foreigners coming
here and using the roads, in the hospitals, et cetera.

(23:35):
But it's actually only a touch below the long term
average pre COVID that twenty seven thousand net gain. The
net loss of kiwis though forty seven thousand. That's the
biggest number in any year on record. Twenty twenty three
it was forty three thousand. Fifty six percent of them
went to Australia. Forty percent of them were eighteen to

(23:55):
thirty years old. In other words, they are young and
they are going to Australia. The prediction from Westpac going
forward this is for twenty twenty five will have a
net inflow of fifteen thousand, remember ours to last year
twenty seven, and then in twenty twenty six we'll have
an ed and flow of thirty thousand. It is seventeen
away from five Barries Soper. Next with politics.

Speaker 1 (24:18):
Politics with centrics credit check your customers and get payments.

Speaker 2 (24:22):
Certainty fourteen away from five News Talks, they'd be Barry Soaper,
senior political correspondent, with us. Hey, Barry, good afternoon, right,
good to see you, lux and giving us an insight
into what could happen with the public services post a couple.

Speaker 12 (24:33):
Of interesting things. It was a bit of a rats
and nice press conference today. They started off with this
great glowing tourism initiative that they're doing. I mean, they
did it yesterday basically, but they're building on it again.

Speaker 2 (24:46):
I thought it was a bit eleven million dollars on
a new car park. I thought, we're cutting its straws
for a postcare, aren't we?

Speaker 12 (24:52):
Yes, exactly, That's what I thought. But it was interesting
some of the things that came up. I think you'll
see in the not too distant future it will be
the biggest fundamental change in the public service and how
chief executives are appointed now. Chris Luson hasn't ruled out
and you'll hear them cabinet having to say over who

(25:12):
gets the top jobs.

Speaker 13 (25:14):
Ever, Listen, with respect to the public service, what we
expect is efficiency, delivery, a fixation and a focus. As
you heard in due to Collins remarks, to the public sector.
CEO is about thinking about the news on public as
customers and how they are best served. I want to
be able to identify the next brand of two hundred
and fifty really smart, emerging young leaders that we already
have in our public service and make sure that we're

(25:34):
developing them in the right way. We be a good
starting point. Those are the sorts of things that I'm
in conversation with the new Public Service Commissioner about soon.

Speaker 12 (25:42):
I reckon there's going to be a fundamental change. It's
been done on Australia. John Howard did it a number
of years ago.

Speaker 2 (25:48):
Training camps, well, boot caps training camps, I mean, yeah.

Speaker 12 (25:55):
Yeah, but no. Interestingly, if you look at the Police Commissioner,
for examples, the recommendation of who gets the job as
the Police Minister and it goes to the Prime Minister
and then the appointments made and then it goes to
the Governor General. But in other areas and other departmental areas,
they're not appointed in that way. The Public Service Commissioner

(26:20):
appoints the top bureaucrats, and I think it's good if
we look at focus the public service a bit more
on what we expect out of them and making them
a bit more well, not reliable, accountable, that's the word
I was talking for, but more accountable I think would
be a good way.

Speaker 2 (26:39):
Well, I think you wouldn't get much protest.

Speaker 12 (26:41):
I don't think you would either.

Speaker 2 (26:42):
And Destiny Church did he have anything to say about that?

Speaker 12 (26:45):
Well he did, interestingly Destiny Church. Of course it's going
to tax free status because it's a charity. So old
Brian Tummocky was out there over the weekend the Gay Pride.
I just think it's disgrace. I mean, if the gay
people are presenting any problems to them, you'd say, you know,

(27:06):
they've got nothing to bitch about. But nevertheless they seem
to be able to do it, and the tax free
status could be looked at as a result of their
performance at the gay Pride parade over the weekend.

Speaker 13 (27:18):
Here's lux And again I thought the Destiny Church protest
has crossed the line. That's not the care we weigh.
When you're intimidating public officials and public facilities, that's not
the way that we expect things to be in this country.
We expect people to have free speech, we expect them
to protest peacefully, but also respectfully and we certainly value
the diversity that exists here in New Zealand. I know
some of those matters are before the police and they're

(27:39):
looking into some of that, but on leave that for them.
We've said that we would look out and due course
around the register and charities and their charitable status and
therefore the attacks treatment as a consequence and will form
part of that brought a piece of work.

Speaker 2 (27:51):
I'm pleased he said that at the end, because I
wouldn't want them to go in and take away the
charitable status on the basis of the protest. No, No,
you'd want it to be done as part of that
wider review that they're doing. We've got to do, you've
got otherwise. I mean you can imagine the pushback.

Speaker 12 (28:04):
Oh yes, you get a lot.

Speaker 2 (28:06):
Seymour simply says it was an overlap, not an overstep.

Speaker 12 (28:10):
It's an open season. Is that I'm David Seymour at
the moment. It was last September that he said that
these teacher only days are a bit of a rat
they're taking them off. I don't think they are. I mean,
if you've got the point that Erica Stanford made was
that if you've got a new curriculum. You've got to
allow the teachers a few teacher only days. Seymour would

(28:32):
argue that, look, if the kids are looking at teachers
having days off, then you know and sorry, shutting down
the school and not allowed, not allowed to come to school.
It doesn't do much for attendance. But look it's only
three or four times a year. But it was an overlap.
He said it as Associate Minister. In September last year,
Erica Stanford said that he was overstepping the mark. There's

(28:54):
a bit of bitching going on between obviously ACT and
the National Party. The interesting to see when it comes
May and there's an elevation.

Speaker 2 (29:04):
Well exactly see. I was talking to a friend at
the gym this morning about exactly this. I think he's
getting it all out of his system now so that
he can calm the farm when he steps into that
prestigious role of Deputy Prime Minister.

Speaker 12 (29:17):
It's also part of their brand, isn't it branding. I mean,
you know they've got to look as stand alone from
the National Party and that's what they.

Speaker 2 (29:24):
Do course and for lux and it's like whack a
mole if he sorts Seymour out up will Rise Winston
for eighteen months to go into an election campaign and
unshackled by the Deputy Prime I.

Speaker 12 (29:36):
Think was quite wise to take the second.

Speaker 2 (29:39):
Trunch, genius, no brilliant. Hey, why isn't Brook van Valden
meeting with the CTU. I thought this was a bad
call from her.

Speaker 12 (29:48):
Yeah, me too, I think. Look, she's the Minister responsible
the CTU. They represent three hundred and sixty thousand people
in this country. And I remember the day that the
CTU would always be in the Minister's office. I remember
going back to old Jim Knox spitting in microphones after
an all night meeting. I remember once having to have
a toothpick to pick out the breakfast that he had

(30:11):
just had out.

Speaker 2 (30:11):
Of my microphone.

Speaker 14 (30:13):
They went on all night.

Speaker 12 (30:15):
These things, and now, of course I don't. I think
maybe because the unions obviously don't have as much power
these days as they used to have. But that's not
to say that the minister who's enacting some significant changes
that do affect workers, the workers representatives should be able
to talk to her. She said one meeting with them.

(30:35):
Since she's been the Minister responsible.

Speaker 2 (30:38):
It's funny you talk about that. There was a Wellington
mayor who were used to joke that you'd had you'd
have to take a rain jacket to go on into
because she would she would spit everywhere. I do distinctly remember.

Speaker 12 (30:49):
The picking, getting my toothpick back in the office and
taking Jim's breakfast out.

Speaker 2 (30:53):
On the microphone. God bless his soul, Very safe senior
for little correspondent here on News Talks, there'd be seven
away from five. Lots more to come, including after five.
We're going to chat more about the ocr cut that
is coming well that many expect will come this week,
and we're also going to talk to ten By Powell
on Ukraine.

Speaker 1 (31:12):
Putting the time question to the newspeakers the mic Hosking breakfast.

Speaker 7 (31:17):
Education Minister Erica Stamford has said David Seymour somewhat overstepped
the mark in his role as associated with his crackdown
on teacher only days. The Associate Education Minister is David Seymour,
who was with us. She did say you overstepped the mark,
did you.

Speaker 4 (31:28):
I'm not quite sure i'd put it that way.

Speaker 15 (31:30):
Basically, there's a set of rules that she's in charge
of and that's all I've ever said. I said that
Erica Stanford is the one who's the seas in charge
of when schools can close. That was in my press release,
which was actually part of attendance.

Speaker 4 (31:44):
I also just make the point that in that interview, not.

Speaker 15 (31:46):
To blame everything on media, but to the interviewer misrepresented
what I'd said, and I think that is at the
core of the issue here.

Speaker 7 (31:53):
Back tomorrow at six am the Mike Hosking Breakfast with
the Rain Driver of the last Newstalk ZB.

Speaker 2 (31:58):
Four to five on Newstalk zeb Ryan. Teacher contracts have
been up to ten days to do professional development and
training a teacher only days. No school ever uses them
during the school holidays, which is where they should be done.
I tend to agree with that. I've got a friend
who's a teacher, and she said that the teacher only
day consists of them coming in. Someone will do a

(32:18):
performance on the guitar, they'll have a wire to, they'll
have a song, there'll be some morning tea, and then
everyone basically goes to their office, you know, which means
home for the rest of the day. I'm sure it's
not like that everywhere, and I'm sure that I'll be upsetting.
A few people saying that, but you can't tell me.
They're busy every second of every teacher only day. A
lot of people asking about Barry's injury. He's had a

(32:41):
slight injury, and I felt he did tell me fill
me in during the break. But I think we'll wait
till we get him back on tomorrow and we'll let
you know what's happened. Just to hint, something to do
with his finger. That's tomorrow ten be Powell is.

Speaker 16 (32:53):
Next the World.

Speaker 1 (33:13):
Questions, answers, facts analysis, The drive show you trust for
the full picture. Brian Bridge on Heather Duplessy Allen Drive
with One New Zealand let's get connected news talks there'd be.

Speaker 2 (33:27):
It is five oh seven, good evening, great to have
your company. Ukraine has been left out of peace talks
over the state and the fate of its own country.
The US and Russia are flying to Saudi Arabia to
nut out a deal. I spoke to Jeffrey Price a
short time ago. He used to be negotiated with the
Secretary of Defense in the US. He has been at
the table with the Russians before, and he says there

(33:49):
is no deal to be done. Without Zelensky at the
table at some point.

Speaker 3 (33:53):
The Ukrainians and the Russians are very far apart right now.
So it seems to me that unless we get more
pressure on Russia, it's going to be hard to get
to something which is acceptable to all sides.

Speaker 2 (34:08):
Timb Powell is the chairman of Key We Care. That's
a charity that delivers aid and helps people evacuate from
Ukraine's with me this evening, High temb, Good afternoon, Ryan.
What do you reckon no deal without Ukraine?

Speaker 17 (34:20):
Say so, Well, it's a staric example of geopolitical injustice.

Speaker 2 (34:25):
I guess it hasn't happened yet. We could see some
involvement from Ukraine.

Speaker 17 (34:31):
Well, one would hope. So, one would hope the Saudis
who are hosting this meeting would have the presence of
mind to invite Snensky get some stage. But I think
it's important to understand that, you know, this war hasn't
just happened since February twenty twenty two. It's been going
on since February twenty twenty four. And it's important to
remember that while Russia's illegal, full scale war did start

(34:53):
in twenty twenty two, when Russia annexed Crimea and supported
separatist movements under operations in nest Ukraine. Since then, the
international community's response has been inconsistent and woefully inadequate, and
one would hope that now, at last, there's going to
be a change to that, which seems to be the

(35:15):
case with Keir Starmer and the French President leading the
charge to get European leaders together at last.

Speaker 2 (35:24):
Do they have enough troops though? That's the question, right,
I mean, without an ATO, without the US, are they
beefy enough on their own?

Speaker 9 (35:31):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (35:31):
They are.

Speaker 17 (35:32):
Look, Ukraine has proved to the world that they can
win this war, and they did that in the winter
of twenty twenty two. In the spring of twenty three,
the counter offense of that Ukraine mounted and really did
push Russia right back with a momentum that the likes
of which we've never seen before. Was lightning and extraordinary.
And then, of course Mike Johnson was appointed a speaker

(35:53):
in the US Senate and the rest is history. He
stopped the flow of both aid money and weapons systems
to Ukraine, and that philibusting has got us into the
position we are today. And I say that because the
fortifications that Russia have mounted and developed on that eastern

(36:13):
Ukraine border. Are just phenomenal.

Speaker 2 (36:16):
You have very close links with everyone and with people
in Ukraine, obviously through your charity, but also a whole
range of networks. If you say, too Ukrainian soldiers give
up a fifth of your territory and stop fighting, will that?

Speaker 17 (36:28):
Well? Look, since we've been there since pretty much May
twenty twenty two, so three months after the war started thereabouts,
and I've made it my business as far east as
we've gone in Russia inside the pardon forties live in
Ukraine to ask those that live there whether they consider
themselves Russian or Ukrainian. And to a person they have

(36:49):
said we are or I am Ukrainian. And we've been
to a place called a chancek Ryn, which is now
fallen sadly, it was only about one where we were
about one kilometer from the Russian border. And even though
they all speak Russian, and you know, the vast majority
do speak Russian in those eastern parts of Ukraine, they
still consider themselves very much to be Ukrainian.

Speaker 2 (37:11):
Thanks so much for your time, Timby, and you're input
TMB power. Key we care, that's key. We eight and
refugee evacuation just gone eleven minutes after five newstalksad b
rayam Bridge. Most economists expecting the official cash right to
be cut this week fifty basis points to three point
seventy five percent. Inflation currently running at two point two percent,
so inside the range. Interestingly, though not crucially, food price

(37:32):
inflation is actually on the rise again. Economics professor Robert
McCulloch is with me, Robert, good evening.

Speaker 18 (37:37):
Good evening.

Speaker 2 (37:38):
There's two questions, Will they cut? And then should they cut?
Will they cut?

Speaker 18 (37:43):
Probably? That's what most of the big bank monopoly economists
are saying. And Liam Dan at the Herald said they're
going to cut, so they you know, that's what they're
all saying.

Speaker 2 (37:55):
Well, if Lillam says it, it's true.

Speaker 18 (37:58):
If Liam says it must be true. The Herald phys
it's true.

Speaker 2 (38:01):
It has to be true. Exactly, we love lamb. Should
they cut?

Speaker 19 (38:06):
No?

Speaker 18 (38:06):
I think they probably shouldn't cut. No. Why Well, Nicola
Willis changed the Reserve Bank Act the Finance Minister when
she came to power, and the sole mandate of the
Reserve Bank by law is price stability and that's to
find as getting inflation in that one to three percent bracket,

(38:29):
and like you said in your introduction, whereas that now
it's exactly at the midpoint, it's two percent. Well, it's
quite hard to argue with the one line argument. We're
exactly at the midpoint, inflation is there, and yet the
bank and the big bank economists are all baying for
even more cuts. So one has to ask why.

Speaker 2 (38:52):
Well, they're also I suppose, got an eye on the
wider economy and the fact that we're up Shite Creek
without a paddle.

Speaker 18 (38:59):
I think that's the ants the exactly they're panicking and
they think the economy is in a terrible state, is it. Well,
you asked me the question should they cut? And by law,
the Reserve Bank Act, which was passed by the incoming Coalition,

(39:19):
says you should only consider the rate of inflation when
you make these decisions. That's the law of the country. Now,
before it said you could consider the state of the economy,
it said maximum sustainable employment as well as price stability.
So by law they're only meant to look at inflation.
But I think you're exactly right. What are they doing.

(39:42):
They're not looking at the inflation rate. It's exactly two percent,
but they're panicking about the state of the economy. That's
the truth. I think that's what is actually going on.

Speaker 2 (39:51):
Robert, thank you. Robert McCulloch, who's an economics professor with
US A contrary, Well, I suppose it's not so much
of a contrarian view. He's just saying, yes, he thinks
they will cut, like everybody else is saying. But technically,
by the letter of the law, they really shouldn't, though
we all want them to, don't we. The dual mandate
thing obviously didn't work. But they're still reading between the lines,

(40:14):
aren't they. And they know that they'll be hated if
they don't. Just gone fourteen minutes after five year OWD
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Ry Encriage QR code ordering at restaurants do you love
it or do you hate it? Over the past few years,
instead of waiting to be served, you can scan a
QR code to read the menu and then order your
food and pay through an app. But it turns out

(41:40):
most of US aren't actually fans of this idea. A
survey by the Restaurant Association found that only eighteen percent
of diners like QR code menus, and only twenty four
percent are keen on ordering through an app. Mike Eagan
is president of the Restaurant Association. He's with us to
night at eighteen after five, Good evening, Mike, Good eating.
So we don't like it, how many do we know?

(42:02):
How many businesses actually do it?

Speaker 20 (42:05):
Not too many at this stage. It's it's sort of
pretty new, I guess, and places are finding the way
way around, whether it's the bill and end all or
whether they have that plus you know, analogue menus like
the good old days.

Speaker 2 (42:20):
Do we know why people don't like it? Is it
because they prefer more personal service? Or is it because
the system actually doesn't work?

Speaker 3 (42:28):
Well?

Speaker 20 (42:28):
I actually think it's it's just it's just not that great.
I mean, if you're going there with a partner or something,
and you're both looking at a menu and you're pointing
to things and go.

Speaker 11 (42:36):
Hey, how about we share this this show over here?

Speaker 20 (42:39):
Instead there's two of you on your screens trying to
scroll up and down navigating a menu. You actually don't
get a really good sort of feel for the offer
of the place, and you might miss some things on
the menu that might have made your made your evening
or lunch even better, you know, but you missed it
because you scroll too fast. And we're all sick of scrolling.

Speaker 3 (42:57):
Oun't we you?

Speaker 2 (42:58):
I suppose we are one thing. And I'm know this
from when I was a head major d A COB
and CO.

Speaker 20 (43:03):
I hate I was at COB and Co alumni as well.

Speaker 2 (43:06):
Hate. I hate to brag like that on I hate
to rag like that on air. But one of the
things that you're supposed to do as a waiter is
make sure that the orders get to the kitchen in
a staggered fashion so that they're not overwhelmed and they're right.
Whereas if you come, if everyone's ordering off an app
and everyone's you know, comes in at seven pm in
order at the same time, the kitchen slammed. So is

(43:27):
that is that an issue?

Speaker 21 (43:29):
Yeah?

Speaker 20 (43:30):
That that's a really good point because that that can
happen because all the opposite. I had where a bar
head a QR code and it was really quiet, and
we ordered and after thirty minutes we went up and
they said Oh, it was quite We forgot to look
at the computer screen, so they actually forgot our order,
so you get the opposite sort of things can happen.
But yeah, that's a really good point because you know,
when you're trying to run a restaurant and you're trying

(43:51):
to not slam the kitchen, and you can slow tables down,
you can offer them another drink so that the kitchen's
not getting hat with you know, sixty orders all at once.
But yeah, could that probably wouldn't happen, and that they
might explode.

Speaker 2 (44:04):
Mike, thank you for that. Mike Egan, Restaurant Association president
with US just study out that they're sorry, survey out
that they've done saying basically only eighteen percent of diners
actually like the QR code menus. I'd love to hear
what you think. Nine two ninety two is the number
to text. So look, here's one already. QR code menus
are trash. It's quite an aggressive view for just a

(44:25):
you know, a mena. You don't have to use them,
do you. Anyway, they're trash, according to Barry twenty one
after five now on News Talk ZB when we come back,
I'll tell you what I think about the state of play.
We've had company reports out today, half your reports out today.
We've had stats in ZI data on migrants. We've had
stats in ZED data on tourism. So what does it

(44:46):
all add up to. That's next.

Speaker 1 (44:50):
Informed inside into today's issues. It's Ryan Bridge on hither
duperic Ellen drive with one New Zealand let's get connected.

Speaker 2 (44:59):
News talk said see five three. There's a lot to
feel gloomy about today. I have tried, I have looked
far and wide, but the fact is the news is bad.
Tourism numbers out, yes they are up, but they are
still not back to pre COVID. Why not migrants confirmation
today We lost a net forty seven thousand kiwis last year,

(45:20):
mostly younger, mostly to Australia. That is an at capacity
Eden Park. It is first half company reporting season so far,
so obleak contact profit down. Freightways was actually up, but
the commentary was bad. CEO says the country's economy is depressed. Frankly,
so am I. What's more, he says, they're looking to

(45:41):
expand not here but in Australia because yep, if you
didn't guess by the Eden Park sized exodus of economic
refugees leaving our shores. They are performing better across the ditch.
In other words, there is no shortage of bad news
out there if you look for it. But what I
can report to you, dear listener, is a mood shift

(46:02):
taking place in this country. And I'm not talking about
on the news and the media from the talking heads.
I'm talking about it down at the bar, chatting to
your mates. Supermarket checkout style mood shift. People are talking
about this country differently, differently than the way that they
were last year. Not everyone, but enough to notice a difference.

(46:25):
You can only be depressed about the state of something
bad for so long before it becomes very unhealthy, and
I think we have reached that point. People are talking
about opportunities. How to make this country a better place
to live in, How can we make more money, How
can we build better and bigger companies, How can we
encourage more enterprise? What can we do to keep our

(46:48):
kids in New Zealand rather than wanting to bugger off overseas.
We have turned this place around before we can do
it again. And I reckon despite all of the doom
and the gloom that you will see in the news,
this evening. We are on the road to doing just that.
Bryan Bridge, twenty six minutes after five Man. The QR

(47:08):
code thing in restaurants has really got people going. Ryan.
I was at a restaurant recently overheard the waiter telling
a patron that she was happy for him to order
using the app, but to please not pay on the app,
as the owner gets the tip and not the weights staff,
which I thought was a fair point. That is interesting.

(47:28):
I didn't know that that was done. This is another
Can I just say, actually, on the issue of tips,
having to stand there in front of your server, in
front of the waiter and say yes or no to
a tip and then to the percentage that you want
is not a key we thing. We shouldn't be forcing
people into that. You feel trapped, you feel like you're

(47:50):
in a moral cogma. It's an awful feeling. Stop it, please, Ryan.
Apps are fine for delivery or takeaway, but we eat.
When we eat in a restaurant, we will do it
for the personal experience. You can't ask what's good, ask
for some variation or daily specials. That is true, Vicky says,
run I just hate QBA ordering, so I don't do it.

(48:11):
Good for you, Vicky. That young man who's been deported
delayed but still apparently going ahead at some point until
the minister intervens. We're going to talk to his lawyer
after this.

Speaker 14 (48:25):
Still breakingsson.

Speaker 1 (48:35):
On the iHeart app and in your car on your
drive home, it's Ryan Bridge on hither duper s Allen
Drive with one New Zealand let's get connected news talk said.

Speaker 2 (48:46):
Be in a PEC good evening. It is twenty five
minutes away from six. Trishuson and Joseph Bcganni standing by
for the huddle in just a few moments. Keir Starmer

(49:08):
is he's written an op ed for this is over
in the UK for the Daily Telegraph saying I am
ready and willing to send UK troops over to Ukraine
and to defend the boards basically do like a Korea
style DMZ, splitting Ukraine and Russia. So he's written this
op ed. He said he's willing and ready and able
and etc. But is he actually able? So he's got

(49:28):
the former head of the UK military coming out and
saying we cannot do that. At minimum, we would need
forty thousand troops to go into the pile of one
hundred thousand troops that Europe and the UK will have
to come up with. You know, you look at say
ten thousand troops will be their contribution, but then you've
got six month rotations. He says, you'd end up needing

(49:50):
about thirty forty thousand troops. He says, we just don't
have that number in the UK to do it. And
you've got Trump saying no NATO forces, no U US
troops involved, maybe some USA cover, but that's so how
do you make this add up? That's a good question
one I'm sure they'll be looking at at this conference
in France, which is taking place overnight tonight our time,

(50:11):
twenty four minutes away from six now Rich The deportation
of a New Zealand born teenager has been put on
hold and the Associate Immigration Minister now has to decide
whether he's allowed to stay for good. Eighteen year old
Damon Kumar was classed as an overstayer the moment he
was born because his mother was an overstayer. He was
set to be deported this week, but he's made a

(50:32):
last ditch appeal to the government through the media. Damon's lawyer,
Alista mcclemont joins me Alistair. Good evening.

Speaker 22 (50:38):
Yeah, Hi Ryan, nice to be here.

Speaker 2 (50:40):
Why has this process taken eighteen years?

Speaker 22 (50:44):
It's a really good question. I mean, there are a
large number of long term overstayers in this country, and
basically the longer the authorities don't do anything about it,
the easier it is for these people just to sort
of vanish in the system. And what this current situation
illustrates is the danger of when those long terms and
motas days have children, and those children get to this
sort of age, it becomes really really complicated because of

(51:06):
the humanitarian needs for those childs.

Speaker 2 (51:09):
Is are the parents still facing deportation or just yes?

Speaker 22 (51:12):
Right, so that parents and Darman and not the older
sister because the older sister was born as a citizen
before the law change.

Speaker 2 (51:19):
Yes, and that was in.

Speaker 22 (51:21):
Two thousand and six, with a law change regarding what
they call birthright citizenship, which is a hot topic in
the United States right now.

Speaker 2 (51:27):
This is a very sad situation for Damon. Do you
accept that this is not his fault, but also not
the government's fault, his parents' fault.

Speaker 18 (51:36):
Yeah, that's exactly right.

Speaker 22 (51:38):
I mean, adults have responsibilities and obligations, and you know,
they need to face up to those But day Man,
you know what obligations did he have as a newborn baby,
as an overstar and he didn't even know anything about
his immigration status until he became a teenager when he
started to sort of put pieces together. So yeah, absolutely

(52:00):
else have obligations to you bide the law just like
everybody else.

Speaker 2 (52:03):
If so compassionately, you're saying, if we send them to
back to his parents' home country, he doesn't speak the language,
he doesn't know much about it, he's never lived there.
But if his parents are also deported at the same time,
then would they not go as a family unit?

Speaker 22 (52:19):
You know, one of the reasons that the parents came
here and went underground is because they come from what
they call those untouchable caste in India. You know, that
three thousand year old system where whatever cast you're born into,
you know, your you know, discriminated against your rescue life.
That's one of the reasons that they came to New
Zealand to protect you know, their future and you know,

(52:42):
future children from that sort of discrimination. So they're going
to go back and face that same sort of discrimination
and those same challenges. Something that Darman Krumaha knows absolutely
nothing about because he's been luckily raised in New Zealand
where we don't have such a horrible discriminatory system.

Speaker 2 (52:58):
Alista, thank you, Eliston clim On, Damon Kumar's lawyer. It
has just gone twenty one hour away from six.

Speaker 1 (53:04):
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Speaker 2 (53:10):
Shuson from Sherton, Willis pr and Josi Bigani's CEO of
Child Fund with me this evening, Good evening, Hello, good
to see you. Now. Do you think Josie will start
with you? Do you think he should stay or do
you think you should go? I mean, it's obviously not
his fault, but it is the pearance.

Speaker 23 (53:28):
He's born here, and until two thousand and six we
had an automatic citizenship. If you were born here, you're
a baby. You've got no decision making whatsoever. Most countries
have that as your last the lawyer just said. In
the US it's a big issue birthright citizenship. Most countries
have birthright citizenship. We changed it. I can't even remember

(53:50):
why we changed it. Ryan, I mean, it makes sense
if the kid's born here, they're in New Zealander, and
it's not like we have a massive problem like other
countries of Florus borders where people can just walk across
the border and hide in a hedge. The last person
who arrived here illegally on a boat was Captain Cook.
You know, if you can cross the Tasman Ocean, good

(54:11):
luck to you. We want you to obviously an entrepreneur,
we keep them.

Speaker 2 (54:16):
Yeah, but if we keep the rules tight, Trish, then
we do discourage that type of thing from happening. I mean,
you had examples of Chinese women going to La going
to all over the States really to have their baby there,
you know, on a tourist visa, basically have their baby
there to drop it there so that they can then
have birthrights for the child.

Speaker 4 (54:36):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (54:36):
This is one of the big topics around the US
is birth tourism, because that's one of the things that
was identified. Funnily enough, a woman would go, she was
close to giving birth, she would book into a resort
and give birth there. This is a very tricky situation
because no matter what happens here, it is this family

(54:57):
will split up, so at a minimum that the parents
will be sent back. It may be the parents and
the son, and then the daughter is left here on
their own. I think this is probably a very stark
reminder to people who are overstaying here that if you
have a child, you know that child is not going

(55:20):
to be automatically a New Zealand citizen. And I thought
the lawyers reminded to people to get this stuff sorted
out is a good one, even if it's going to
be difficult. Otherwise you will end up with families in
these in these kinds of situations. And as I understand it,
at least one of the parents they have been an
overstayer for some twenty four years, and it is a

(55:43):
reminder that these problems they don't go away. And unfortunately
for this eighteen year old, you know he is the
one who's going to face the difficult situation. But then
you know, part of the immigration rules because we have
to have we have to have rules.

Speaker 2 (56:00):
You have and you do have to have rules.

Speaker 11 (56:02):
You do have to have rules.

Speaker 23 (56:03):
Ryan. I mean that no one is saying open borders,
but it seems to me the reason that most countries
have a birthright citizenship law is that you know if
you're if you're born here through no fault of your
own You've got no say of it whatsoever. You grow
up in New Zealander. You speak our lingo, you you
do the raised eyebrow, you know, cureda like everybody else.

(56:26):
You know, you you are culturally in every way you
are a New Zealander. And and to send this kid
back where he doesn't know the language, he doesn't know,
he doesn't have any connection to India whatsoever. That's why
you have a birthright citizenship. And there are other ways
of trying to stop the birthright, the birth tourism, as
you say, Trish, I mean maybe it's around the airlines.

(56:47):
You know, you can't travel when you're close to giving birth.
I mean, you know, we don't have a massive illegal
stayers problem like we do like they do in the
US and the UK and other places.

Speaker 2 (56:58):
YEA interesting, No, mum's on planes, not with Big Belly. Hey,
Josie Beganni Trisharson on the panel. Coming up next, it's
Brian Well, we're not going to have Brian Tommocky on,
but we're going to talk about Brian Toummocky.

Speaker 1 (57:13):
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Speaker 2 (57:18):
Home fourteen to six on News Talks A. B. Tris
Shurson Huson, Willis pr Josey B. Beganni, CEO of Child Fun,
Welcome back, guys to the huddle. What should we do? Well,
should anyone really do anything about Destiny Church other than
just say, well, you can't. You can't go around hitting
people when you can't go around, you know, pushing people
and shoving people. That's just stupid, trish.

Speaker 6 (57:41):
I mean, I am loath to give them any airtime,
but what they did on the weekend, going to a
public library where kids are there with a drag queen,
I mean, how ridiculous. And it just shows how unmanly
these guys purporting to be men are that you'd go
and kick up a fuss there. I thought, maybe the

(58:01):
best way to deal with this, though, is in the
language that Bishop Tomacky might understand, which is the Bible,
which I'm not particularly familiar with, but I did remember
there are quite a good scripture, some scripture which might
be useful, which says do not judge, or you too
will be judged for in the same way you judge others,
you will be judged. And with the measure you use,

(58:22):
it will be measured to you.

Speaker 23 (58:24):
Amen. Amen. Well, look, if they've committed a crime, if
they guilty of harassment, intimidation, they've trespassed, if they've incited violence,
throw the goddamn book at them. I mean, it is
despicable what they're doing. But if they've just sat there
legally and protested, no matter how objectionable and horrible it is,

(58:48):
you can't ban them doing that because then you've got
to ban the people who protest. Posey Parker or the Yeah.
If I take the people who glued themselves to Rhodes
is another example. They had committed ame and arrest them,
you know, get throw the law at them. But one
of the examples I heard, because it's you know, the
thing about free speech and free expression. The right to
protest is easy. To stand up for the rights of

(59:11):
people you agree with. It's bloody hard when it's despicable
and objectionable views like this, but you have to do
it to protect those protect all of us to protest.
The best example I've ever heard of was a Nazi
march in the US in Illinois in a town called Scopie.
Every year, a group of Nazis would march through the town.

(59:33):
So rather than ban it, a whole bunch of people
got together they turned it into a sponsored walk, so
they would raise money for every meter that the Nazis walked,
and they would use that money to fund anti hate
crime groups and you know, anti racism groups and community
groups and so on, and so it became this really

(59:53):
big thing. So they just turned it around and in
the end, you know, the Nazis just went, well, I'm
not going to do this anymore. It's not outraging anybody.
So there are other ways of doing it. And it
is horrible.

Speaker 2 (01:00:05):
Yeah, I love that you said that, that, Josie, because
you know, if this happened four years five years ago,
you know that there would be calls for you know,
arrests just on the basis of the signs. Do you
know what I mean. I think we have slightly mature.
I think we have taken a step in the right
direction when it comes to freedom of speech and how

(01:00:26):
that should operate. I'm pleased.

Speaker 23 (01:00:28):
And I'll say something one thing about that rhyme, which
I've realized. I used to think that freedom of speech,
you know, and it's become a right wing thing. Used
to be a left wing thing. You know, you look
back in the civil rights movement and everything. But the
thing that I've realized, it's not just about your right
to have an opinion because people say, but why should
they have this horrible opinion? It's actually what you do
when people disagree, so that you don't hit each other

(01:00:51):
or kill each other. It's what you do. It's the
alternative to violence. Actually is allowing these idiots to have
a say and objectionable.

Speaker 2 (01:01:01):
And we should point out actually that it was the
idiots on the other side. Who you remember that the
old woman that got punched at the posy Parkerts on
all sides, Well, I mean I shouldn't.

Speaker 6 (01:01:11):
Well, no, they're absolutely violent. And the biggest lesson here
is live and let live. I mean, if if these
got if Apostle Tarmachy whatever is calling him stuff now,
if this is his biggest worry in New Zealand that
other people might be gay, well you know he's he's
he's really lost the plot.

Speaker 2 (01:01:29):
Yeah, I mean, have you seen his eyebrows? Gayest thing
I've ever seen his eyebrows. They look professionally done, Josie,
And what's wrong with that? There's nothing wrong, I think
it's quite telling.

Speaker 23 (01:01:43):
Judge not as true, said not he who judges judges
not quite right.

Speaker 2 (01:01:49):
Hey, the QR codes, Trisha, do you use them when
you go into a restaurant to order a meal or
do you prefer to use your traditional weight stuff.

Speaker 6 (01:01:57):
Well, when you go to somewhere and it's really busy,
I love a R code you get stuff underway. But
if you go to a really nice restaurant, one of
the things I absolutely love. Well, it's more my husband
who loves loves a yap to anyone who can talk
to but that that lovely interaction with a really great
waiter often that really makes the experience. You know, when
you say to them, what would you recommend on the menu?

(01:02:20):
What do you love? What wine would you pair with it?

Speaker 16 (01:02:22):
Or whatever?

Speaker 6 (01:02:23):
You're not going to get that from a QR.

Speaker 19 (01:02:24):
Code, No you not, Josie, I totally agree.

Speaker 23 (01:02:28):
The one thing I do like about the QR codes,
and this is going to make me sound like a
total Karen, is I really hate being interrupted by waiters.
You know, when you're just getting down, you're having an
argument with your husband, and they come over, they go,
is everything all right with your food? And if you
go away so QR codes give me the nice privacy
to have the argument that I want to have with
my husband. I've been saving up for a long time.

Speaker 2 (01:02:50):
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News TALKSB six away from six. So the Devaul companies,
you'll know them because they've been in the news since
last August when the Financial Markets Authority put an application
into place dozens of their entities into receivership. A source
has told the NBR that they have seen Kenyan Clark

(01:03:48):
being arrested by police outside of his Auckland home address
this afternoon. Kenyan Clark was the boss along with his wife.
A source who NBR has agreed not to name, said
they had seen Clark being arrested outside as Victoria have
address just before four pm. Pictures of Clark have appeared

(01:04:09):
being escorted by police in handcuffs on Reddit. Now. We
have asked police about this. They've told us they can't
confirm any arrests for privacy reasons. We have also approached
the Financial Markets Authority this evening to see if we
can get comments out of them on it. Interesting turn
of events to say the least, a lot of interest

(01:04:29):
in that devail story. They're the ones that fly around
on the private jet. You know, they had the marketing
campaign and they put themselves in the private jet and
put it on the website. It's those guys Freightways. So
they have put their half year you know, because everyone's
doing half year reports at the moment, so half first
half year report from Freightways. This is the logistics career

(01:04:52):
company now actually, given the environment, not too bad. Net
profit up nine and a half percent, despite what the
CEO says is a depressed economic environment. This is Mark
troph year. He says, we haven't seen any signs of
green shoots in terms of the economy improving. Our customers

(01:05:14):
are still are trading slightly lower than they were the
year before, which is slightly lower than the year before that.
So hopefully this is you know, the trough, the low point.
In the meantime, they're actually looking this is some freightways
they're looking to Australia for expansion opportunities because obviously things
are a bit brighter over there. Anyway, we're going to

(01:05:35):
have him on the show after six point thirty this evening.
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Speaker 24 (01:05:39):
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Speaker 2 (01:06:38):
Evening to seven half and six year on news talk
ZAB Shane Soley has the numbers from the day's action
on the stock market. For US. It's about quarter past
six this evening. We're going to talk to Mark trojev
Troe here rather he's the freightway's boss. The half year
result out and it's actually a good number, but the
commentary around it quite bad. Gavin Gray's in the UK
for US right now. Nikola Willis is the Finance Minister.

(01:07:00):
Good evening, Good evening, Ryan, Minister. I know that this
is not your particular purview the FMA, but have you
been told anything about an arrest in the devail case today?

Speaker 11 (01:07:12):
No?

Speaker 25 (01:07:12):
I have not been briefed on that, Ryan, Okay.

Speaker 2 (01:07:14):
Are you aware of it?

Speaker 15 (01:07:16):
No?

Speaker 25 (01:07:16):
I'm not Okay.

Speaker 2 (01:07:17):
Inflation, we're obviously going to get a decision from the
Reserve Bank this week and I won't ask you to
comment on it because I know you can't. But Robert McCulloch,
who's the economist, he came on the show tonight and
he said, actually, they in terms of what they are
legally required to do the Reserve Bank, they have met
the standard. They have got inflation in the target range

(01:07:38):
and that's all they're required to do under the changes
that you made to their remit.

Speaker 18 (01:07:42):
Haven't listen, sole Manain eight of the Reserve Bank by
law is price stability and that's to find as getting
inflation in that one to three percent bracket. And like
you said in your introduction, where is it now, it's
exactly at the midpoint, it's two percent.

Speaker 2 (01:07:58):
So in terms of what their remit is, have they
achieved it?

Speaker 25 (01:08:02):
Well? They are back on target, which is good news,
but there's also plenty of indicators suggesting there's a lot
of spare capacity in the economy. So the risk is
that if interest rates are kept restrictive, then actual inflation
goes below the target ban. So those are the factors
that the Reserve Bank has to weigh up when it's

(01:08:24):
making its decision on the future of the official cash rate.

Speaker 2 (01:08:27):
Was taking out the requirement to look at the wider
economy and to look at an employment etc. A mistake?
I mean, they could potentially not move down this week
on Wednesday because you took that out of their remit.

Speaker 25 (01:08:42):
Absolutely not, that's not the case. They still have to
have a view to the stability of the economy. That's
still part of the way in which they make their
considerations under that statute. And they do have to have
avert a view on where inflation is going. And as
I say, it's not okay if inflation gets below one percent,

(01:09:04):
and they'll have a mind to that.

Speaker 2 (01:09:06):
Inflation is, as we're kind of been alluding to, the
beast is kind of being tamed, and growth in you
focus for you, do you have.

Speaker 25 (01:09:14):
A target in terms of growth? No, I don't. I
do want to see that the forecast return to growth
this year occurs. That's what both the Reserve Band and
the Treasury are forecasting. My role is to influence the
conditions in which growth can occur. Ultimately, it will be
up to individual employers to harm or people, individual businesses

(01:09:36):
to decide to expand individual entrepreneurs to start a business.
What I need to do is set conditions in which
all those decisions are a little easier.

Speaker 2 (01:09:45):
Is it not a bit odd that this is a
government so focused on targets and quarterly reports and numbers
and aspirations, and to not have a target on your
biggest aspiration.

Speaker 25 (01:09:57):
Well, let's remember what this is all about, Ryan. Ultimately,
this is about New Zealanders who have gone through a
massive cost of living crisis. Is still finding it pretty
tough with the cost of living actually, And what we're
saying is we're going to deliver the things that will
make a difference to your cost of living. So that's
first stopping out of control inflation so prices aren't increasing
as quickly, too, creating conditions in which interest rates are

(01:10:20):
coming down so your mortgage isn't as expensive. And three,
setting the condition so the economy can grow so that
you actually have the opportunity for faster growing wages which
allow you to get on top of those costs. So
we're doing a broad range of things to support all
of that, from delivering infrastructure to bringing on competition in

(01:10:41):
the supermarket sector, to improving our education system. All of
those things support growth. Ultimately, as I say, it is
the decision of individual businesses and entrepreneurs and others whether
they invest in growth.

Speaker 2 (01:10:55):
Business test reporting that you have come to an agreement
with New Zealand first on changes to the overseas investment.
This is about the foreign home buyers. True or false?

Speaker 25 (01:11:05):
That is not something that has come to cabinet.

Speaker 2 (01:11:08):
So you've been is it something you've discussed the New
Zealand first.

Speaker 25 (01:11:13):
I haven't directly know PM. I can't speak for the PM.

Speaker 2 (01:11:20):
Is National talking to New Zealand first about this? Is
it fair to say?

Speaker 25 (01:11:25):
I think both Winston Peters and me and Erica Stanford
and others have been open about the fact that there
is discussion happening about what are the conditions in which
we might want to relax those rules. How would we
satisfy ourselves that that was in the interests of New
Zealanders in New Zealand. Obviously, National came into the coalition
with a strong view on that New Zealand First and

(01:11:46):
other view, and we've continued to discuss.

Speaker 2 (01:11:48):
That any idea when it might go to cabinet nop.
You said during the election campaign you get seven hundred
and forty million a year from the two million plus?
Have you run the numbers on five million plus? What
you get?

Speaker 16 (01:12:03):
No?

Speaker 25 (01:12:03):
I haven't run those numbers. How come because I haven't
been asked to provide that support for a specific proposal
at the stage.

Speaker 2 (01:12:13):
Right, I see mores more. Is it fair to say
it's more at a leader to leader stage at this
point you haven't been brought in to get the numbers
or the details over that.

Speaker 25 (01:12:24):
I think that's a fair way to characterize it.

Speaker 2 (01:12:26):
Fair enough. Hey, the prior event over the weekend, what
did you make of Destiny Church's protest? Well, well, actually no,
let's put the protest to one side, because that's quite
a separate thing. It was the pushing and the shoving
and all that stuff.

Speaker 25 (01:12:41):
Well, here's what I thought. If the complaint of the
Destiny Church was that they were worried about children, getting scared.
Then Actually what they did was scary because what children
saw was violence and an appropriate behavior by adults. So
in an attempt to somehow protect the children, I think
they did the very opposite.

Speaker 2 (01:13:02):
Good point supermarkets. Who is this potential third supermarket player?
Is it LD?

Speaker 25 (01:13:08):
Look, as I said, I'm not going to reveal the
interest that has come to us because there's a very
commercially sensitive expressions of interest. I can say that subsequent
to my remarks last week, we have had another unsolicited
proposal come in, which is good to see because what
we're saying is, look, if there are barriers to you

(01:13:30):
wanting to come to New Zealand, we're prepared to look
at them. Whether that's the Resource Management Act, the Overseas
Investment Act, any of the regulatory issues which may have
prevented people in the past from making these investments, we're
prepared to tackle. And that's attractive. Now. I can't promise
that someone will want to put their capital on the line,
but what I can do is do everything possible to

(01:13:51):
get a competitor in because I want New Zealanders to
have more affordable groceries and I think the current model
is not serving us. Well, and I'm determined to fix it.

Speaker 2 (01:14:00):
So you've had a second what you've called an unsolicited offer.
What exactly does that mean? Have they said we will
come to we want to come to New Zealand. Here's
a list of things you need to change before we do.

Speaker 25 (01:14:10):
In this instance, it's someone who contacted my office directly saying, look,
we have a potential proposal to enter your market. Who
can we engage with about how the government could facilitate that.
I've referred them to the National Infrastructure Agency, who are
set up to take these kinds of proposals and to
evaluate them, and we will work through that.

Speaker 2 (01:14:33):
And is this offshore I'm assuming.

Speaker 25 (01:14:37):
Well, actually the nature of it could be a combination
of offshore and domestic.

Speaker 2 (01:14:43):
Okay, a little copro. Thank you, minister. Great to have
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Their share price was it almost twenty percent today?

Speaker 12 (01:16:14):
Up?

Speaker 2 (01:16:15):
Yeah, that's right.

Speaker 21 (01:16:16):
It was a real ripper, and it's about it's been
a tough run for A two. They've obviously been battling
a really modest Chinese and their keyping is in for
formula being sold into China. The big expectations pretty handling
more than ten percent above expectations, really driven by better
revenue margin, and they're upgraded for next year as well,
and they've talked about a dividend, So you're really about

(01:16:38):
them doing their thing, picking up share in the Chinese
info formula market. Those Chinese birth rates still yet to
show a recovery, and they talked about being on track
to be making two billion dollars by twenty twenty six
with their new product launches and supply chain improvement. So yeah,
market got pretty excited about just under twenty percent.

Speaker 2 (01:16:57):
Mixed results from the electricity general. Is this this the
the you know, the price fights and the wholesale rates,
the impact of dry weather.

Speaker 21 (01:17:06):
Yeah, look, you've knowed it. Today was very much about
both Manowa and Contact Energy came out with some of the
little below expectations. Was about this dry weather an impact
on generation and so we have seen both companies come
out with yes guidance for contact that was saying financial
year twenty VERKA twenty six, we're going to be a
little bit sort of more cautious, so maybe a bit

(01:17:28):
of conservatism, but certainly that dry weather we've been seeing
coming back to buy.

Speaker 2 (01:17:33):
Share prices for I mean, this is the problem, isn't
it if your company, if your business is exposed to
the New Zealand economy, you know you have been in
a bit of trouble.

Speaker 21 (01:17:45):
Yeah, it has been tough, but we're actually seeing a
number of companies starting to talk about green shoots. We
saw this last week with Bulk and Steel, when today
we've had Freightways come out with a similar comment that
you know, while things have been tough, they're seeing things
at least up. We're seeing a bit of buying for
companies that are exposed to New zeal economy, things like Spark,

(01:18:06):
MW Zeum, the Telco, the Telecom New Zeon, Fletcher Building
seeing a bit of a recovery. Some of it's about
these better numbers coming from companies recently Freightways of Vulcan,
but also anticipating the Reserve Bank statement this Wednesday where
the market's expecting another rate cut. We've seen this before,
Ryan back in twenty eight, twenty nineteen. Takes New zeal

(01:18:26):
Mark a little bit of time to respond to rate cups.

Speaker 25 (01:18:29):
You know.

Speaker 21 (01:18:30):
First that we had to roll is this period of
slow ekin on their activity before the lower rates kicking.
And we're seeing that now, so we might be seeing
the green shoots coming through. They still need to grow
a bit to really support company returns, but we're seeing
a lot more interests back in New zeal companies.

Speaker 3 (01:18:44):
They're still in the share market.

Speaker 2 (01:18:45):
The share price for several Aussie banks that are listed
here on our stock exchange a week today. What's behind that?

Speaker 21 (01:18:51):
Yeah, look we saw Duell listed, am Z and Westpact.
This share prices is a bit weaker today. So they're
listed in the New Zealand market and in Australian market.
And what we saw was WISPAC released a quarterly update.
There was weaked and expected when it comes back to
the profit guidance for this first quarter is not enough
to meet expectations. A couple of things behind that hard

(01:19:14):
to believe for some, but their net interest margins were
lower than expected, so they're not making as much on
their lending as they previously died and their revenue run
rate so the rate of new mortgages and so forth
of writing not quite hitting expectations. There any good news
really was cost coming in a bit lolo. So yep,
that dragged the banks down and dragged down aims and
respect they are listed on in is our market.

Speaker 2 (01:19:35):
Shane, thank you so much for that. Great to have
you on as always. That is Shane solely Harbor Asset
Management with your market update for the sending twenty two
minutes after six. Coming up after six thirty, we're going
to talk to the freightways boss Mark Trow here about
their result. I mean you heard Shane mention it there,
but they quite a pleasing one, you would have to say,
give them the circumstances. They are up nine and a
half per cent net profit despite the fact that Mark

(01:19:58):
says they are in a depressed economic environment and they're
looking overseas to Australia to expand. He's on the show
to staff for six thirty now twenty three after six
news talks.

Speaker 1 (01:20:07):
Heb croaching the numbers and getting the results. It's Ryan
Bridge with the business hour and mass insurance and investments.
Crue your wealth and protect your future.

Speaker 2 (01:20:18):
The News talks edb six twenty six. News Talks heb
Predator Free twenty fifty. Remember John Key announced this back
in twenty sixteen, and it was I always thought of
it as an aim shoot, high shoot for the stars
kind of thing. It'll never actually happen because think about it.
Will we ever get rid of every single rat in
Stoat and Mouse and New Zealand? No, that is ridiculous,

(01:20:42):
particularly not if they take away our recite our rubbish bins.
You know they want to move that to fortnightly. Then
it's never going to happen. Anyway. They need money, so
Predative Free twenty fifty. It's actually a company, a Crown
owned limited liability company that they set up to eradicate
all the possums and the pest and everything. They need money,
so they were creaming it for years with government off

(01:21:03):
the taxpayer teat over the labor years. You know, they
had Provincial Growth Fund money, all sorts of stuff. Anyway,
they need two dollars for every one Crown dollar invested,
so coming up obviously National is tightening the belt. They
now need to find a whole bunch more manufact They
need to find more money over the next two decades
than any organization in New Zealand has ever achieved. So

(01:21:26):
it's the tool order, right, and the question is will
they actually achieve the goal? I don't know, but I
have an idea. Okay, here's my idea. You know how
the government sells the rights to certain things, or licenses
to things like radio frequencies. For example, they have an
auction and you can bid on a radio frequency. I
think you should be able to bid at an auction

(01:21:49):
on the exclusive global rights to use New Zealand birds
and your advertising. So you might be able to pay
I don't know, ten million dollars to be able to
to use the Wecker for example, exclusively use the wicker
in your advertising. If your company is a bit cheeky,
maybe a startup you could use the kere. You know,

(01:22:10):
would somebody pay one hundred million dollars for the keywi
the big Dog? Anyway, that's my idea. Hope it works,
Hope you like it. Nine two nine two is the
number to text if you have which I'm sure you
will have feedback on it. That is my proposal. I
look forward to hearing from you freightways after the news, whether.

Speaker 1 (01:22:28):
It's macro microbe or just playing economics. It's all on
the business hours with Ryan Bridge and theirs. Insurance and investments,
Grow your wealth, protect your future, Use talks, Beta.

Speaker 14 (01:22:45):
Money's good evening.

Speaker 2 (01:22:50):
Twenty five minutes away from seven, you're on news talks.
He'd be I've had this great idea, which you know
people are just raving about. This idea. Predator Free twenty
twenty five needs a lot of money, a lot of
prime money that they're trying to raise. Capital that they're
trying to raise. They need two private dollars for every
one crown dollar to keep themselves going. And over the
next couple of decades they're going to need to hell
of a lot of money to make this a reality.

(01:23:12):
So I have this idea that you would sell the
right to advertise using the likeness of a Kiwi bird.
You would you would auction it off to the highest
bidd You'd have your Keywi, you'd have your care, you'd
have your cockpile all in there, and any all of
that money that's raised from doing so from this auction
would go towards and you know, companies from all over
the world, cobit on this that money would go towards

(01:23:34):
the conservation of these birds. Somebody says, Ryan, a great idea,
but what would you do with the greenies because you're
commercializing nature And that's that's.

Speaker 21 (01:23:44):
What I love.

Speaker 26 (01:23:45):
Well, just on that front, right, I mean, so that
means that aukand zoo is part of their conservation. If
it's going, okay, we'll have like a come and you know,
pat the Kiwi event. They then can't put the kiwi
on any of the posters advertising that event, can they,
because they've lost the You've got you know, Unilever owns
the rights.

Speaker 2 (01:23:59):
But we don't have pat the KeyWe events. Remember there
was a zoo that tried that terrible idea. Okay, so
a problem solved. But no, seriously, someone says, you will
upset the green That's what I love about this idea
because it forces you into a moral conundrum. You have
to sell nature to save nature. That's the beauty of

(01:24:23):
the deal. Twenty three away from seven Bridge, career analygistics
company Freightways has reported an increase in revenue and profit
despite the tough economic environment that they're operating in at
the moment. The business has posted a halfir net profit
forty four point seven million. That's up eleven and a
half percent. Unfortunately for US, most of that growth has
come from freightways operations in Australia. Mark trow here is

(01:24:45):
the chief executive, is with me tonight home Mark.

Speaker 18 (01:24:48):
Good day, Ryan.

Speaker 2 (01:24:49):
How are you really good? You must be pretty happy
with that given the environment you're in.

Speaker 4 (01:24:55):
Yeah, Look, I think a team's done a really good job.
It's look, it's tough out there. I think I've been
true three recessions in this business over the years. Yeah,
team has done a great job to win a bit
of market share and help produce that result for us.

Speaker 2 (01:25:10):
What are you saying on the ground here versus Australia.

Speaker 4 (01:25:14):
Look, it's definitely a bit more buoyant over there, there's
no question about that. So customers over here for us
are still trading at lower levels. We're not hearing a
whole lot of customers talking about a short, quick turnaround
anytime soon. That's why we've said we think it'll be
a bit of a grind. Reality is an Aussie it's
just a little bit more buoyant customers over there, Probably

(01:25:36):
half of them are growing. Half of them are steady
rather than gone backwards, and just whenever you're over there,
when you're out and about, you know, there are people
out spending in the restaurants and the shops and the
restaurants are busy. So yeah, it's kind of night and day.
I think as we see it.

Speaker 2 (01:25:51):
For how long do you envisit? You know, based on
the conversations you having with your customers and obviously that
is a pretty good indication because you're delivering presumably this
up that they're selling, right, So how long is this
sluggish behavior going to continue?

Speaker 15 (01:26:07):
To know?

Speaker 4 (01:26:08):
Look, I think each recession we've come out with over
the year, come out of over the years, has been
slightly different. This one here has just been a longer
grind into it, and I suspect a longer grind out
It'll be as probably those mortgage rates come down, there's
a bit of that interest money back in people's pockets
and they start to spend it. I think that'll just
happen steadily and gradually. We're hoping second half of the

(01:26:29):
year for us, maybe around May June we start to
get a little bit of signs of life, but it'll
just be slow. I don't think it'll happen dramatically.

Speaker 2 (01:26:37):
In the meantime, do you try and go after more
business in Australia? Do you try and expand there more?

Speaker 4 (01:26:43):
Well, if we try and expand everywhere, So everywhere we
are we try and grow. We have plans for our
teams to grow in every business we're in, so they
won't change regardless of the country, but certainly Australia there's
a there's a lot of opportunity to acquire businesses as well.
Still a pretty fragmented market, a lot of operators in
that express transport market in Australia, and the market is

(01:27:07):
realistically eight to nine times bigger than ours here in
New Zealand because of higher pricing, greater distances. So yeah,
there's there's a heap of opportunities over there, more than
there are in New Zealand.

Speaker 2 (01:27:17):
To be fair, government here mark very open, at least
they tell us they're very open to ideas for growth
changes that could be made, to legislation, to operating environment,
anything on your wish list.

Speaker 4 (01:27:32):
Well, look, I think some of the stuff they've announced
about infrastructure getting going on, that's that's really important stuff.
Getting performance out of the government's balance sheet is really important.
They own a bunch of companies state owned enterprises, some
of which compete with us. Get some performance out of them,
I reckon that would help.

Speaker 12 (01:27:51):
You.

Speaker 4 (01:27:51):
If I contrast with Australia, I think they have a
pretty good habit of spending the way out of recessions.
And let's say so, they generate a lot of wealth
out of mining, so they splash the money around a bit,
and they do spend their way out to some extent.
But I think our government, you know, are probably doing
the right things. It's just how can we do it
a bit harder, bit faster.

Speaker 2 (01:28:09):
What do you think they should do with NZ Post.

Speaker 4 (01:28:13):
Well, I think they should for a sad demand performance
equivalent of their nearest competitor, which is US, which is
what they're obliged to do under the State Owned Enterprises Act.

Speaker 2 (01:28:22):
But they're not.

Speaker 4 (01:28:24):
No, Well, I think that's where i'd start.

Speaker 2 (01:28:28):
Thanks so much, Mark, great to have you on the show.
Congratulations on what is it? You know, a pretty reasonable
result given the environment that you're in. Nice to have
you on the show. That's Mark trow here. He's the
Fight Freightway's chief executive talking there about well, his result,
but also about New Zealand post, which is interesting, wasn't
it nine? The number to text? Nineteen minutes away from seven.

(01:28:50):
We're going to Gavin Gray out of the UK before
the top of the hour, and I'm just loving your
messages on this key. We Native New Zealand bird, the
predator free New Zealand things, some of them are very funny.
We'll get to those two.

Speaker 1 (01:29:04):
Everything from SMEs to the big corporates, the Business Hour
with Ryan Bridge, and there's insurance and investments. Grew your wealth,
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Speaker 2 (01:29:16):
It is sixteen minutes away from seven. Year on News Talks,
said b Ryan, why would you pay one hundred thousand
dollars for a bird that only comes out at night,
lays one egg and is not even pretty? Ie the
keiw This is one of our listeners, Think Predator Free
twenty fifty. Gavin Gray is our UK correspondent. He's with
us now, Hi, Gevin, Hi, there are the uk PM.

(01:29:40):
This is Sara. He said. He is ready and willing
to put UK troops on the ground. He's written an
up head in the papers over there in Ukraine to
help guarantee its security as part of a peace deal.
But you know, can you do that?

Speaker 18 (01:29:51):
Are you?

Speaker 2 (01:29:52):
Are you actually able to.

Speaker 12 (01:29:54):
Ah?

Speaker 19 (01:29:55):
Very good question. At the weekend, Lord Dannat he's the
former head of the Army, have given an interview saying
the UK military is so run down it couldn't lead
any future peacekeeping mission in Ukraine. But that doesn't prevent,
of course, some involvement in a peacekeeping mission in Ukraine,
which I think is what is going to be pushed

(01:30:15):
now at this meeting. As European leaders gather in Paris
for today's meeting, they have seen America contact Russia directly
to negotiate or try to negotiate some form of a
peace deal for the war in Ukraine, but they haven't
involved Ukraine itself, and European leaders are annoyed that, being
right on their border, they aren't involved in it either,

(01:30:37):
which is why they're having this meeting later today and
Kirstarmer is meeting there. He's basically going to suggest that
this peacekeeping force is put in place, he said, putting
our ground on the troops if necessary, because when peace
comes it cannot merely be a temporary pause before putin attacks.

Speaker 2 (01:30:56):
Again.

Speaker 19 (01:30:56):
That's the very real fear having taken Crimea already that
Vladimir Putin will accept more Land in a peace deal
and then perhaps, well, nothing really happened. I'll try and
ma luck again. That's the fear of European leaders, that's
the fear of the Ukrainians, of course. And it comes
as the US Secretary of State Marco Rubio plans to
meet Russian officials in Saudi Arabia in the coming days.

(01:31:18):
And nobody knows what president and President Trump is willing
to give away of Ukraine that isn't his to give away,
So huge concern here in Europe.

Speaker 2 (01:31:29):
What more do we know about the Stebbing attack in
Austria Given.

Speaker 19 (01:31:33):
Well over the weekend, I'm afraid there was this horrid
attack in which a fourteen year old boy was killed
and five people wounded. It was a knife attack. A
twenty three year old Syrian asylum seeker is the main suspect.
He's been detained. It happened in the south of Austria,
near the border with Italy and Slovenia. Police initially said

(01:31:54):
they'd yet to establish a motive, and that is kind
of they're still they go to answer, but they say
they now do believe it could involve extremism specialists in
the investigation, and that is because plenty of people in
Austria are now reporting this is being linked to Islamic State.
There are some really awful pictures of a man sat

(01:32:14):
down having conducted the attack. It's alleged smiling at the
police officers waiting to arrest him, holding a knife. It's reported,
but I'm afraid, of course, this comes after the attack
in Munich in Germany in which a car was driven
into a crowd of people. A couple of people over
the weekend who are injured have since died. And again

(01:32:36):
that was an Afghan man trying to seek some asylum.
So I'm afraid plenty for Europe to digest this morning,
and particularly as both countries in political turmoil. Germany goes
to the polls at the weekend with a strong showing
in opinion polls now for far right and right wing parties,
and Austria unable to form a government trying to avoid

(01:32:59):
involving the Free Freedom Party, the far right party there
which did so well in their recent elections.

Speaker 2 (01:33:05):
Is it just me or does it seem like the
authorities there are much quicker now to admit or concede.
I suppose that the accused of these, you know, in
these attacks are asylum seekers. I suppose in contrast to
what was happening over in your country. It seems like
they're quite quick to say, yes, we're confirming this was

(01:33:25):
an asylum seeker. We believe what was behind this, and
this was the potential motive.

Speaker 19 (01:33:30):
That's a very interesting line run. Yeah, there was so
much criticism that the attacks in south Port, Northwest London
by a single man who went in and started to
attack people at a playgroup, and the police was so
slow to come forward with any information, and of course
it led to those riots when social media rumors took over. Yeah,

(01:33:52):
I think you might be right there. I think the
UK used to be quite quick in revealing what they
knew the authorities, but it would seem not anymore. And
then the big accusation, of course from America and others
is anyone that speaks out in a right wing voice
is immediately labeled far right and occasionally imprison or at
court for things they've said on social media.

Speaker 2 (01:34:13):
Yeah. Interesting. Hey for inch Customs, I love this story.
If customs officers have found nine dinosaur teeth during a
routine check at the Italian border.

Speaker 19 (01:34:23):
It's an extraordinary fine, isn't it. And it is a
road that is regularly checked. The road the A eight motorway,
and they inspected a Spanish lorry and immediately apparently spotted
the fossils in two parcels. They then sent them off
to be examined in the nearby city of Menton, and

(01:34:46):
then an expert said, yeah, these are dinosaur teeth. They
are between seventy two and sixty six million years old,
and they believe to have come from Morocco. Now that's
quite interesting because that would suggest maybe this is a
lorry on board a ferry going from North Africa to
southern Europe. And one of the teeth is identified to

(01:35:10):
belong to a marine reptile measuring about three meters in length,
and three belong to another one called the most asaurus
and aquatic creature that measured up to twelve meters. Suffice
to say, investigations are continuing and questioning continues to.

Speaker 2 (01:35:26):
What a fine for a routine chick Evan, thank you
for that. Kevin Gray, UK correspondent with US just gone
nine minutes away from seven. You're on news Talk. Zib
I mentioned that's seventy two million year old croc potentially
crocodile teeth. You're on news talksib.

Speaker 1 (01:35:44):
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Speaker 2 (01:35:51):
Talk Zibig gone seven away from seven. Lots of feedback
on what we do with the future of conservation and
how you fund conservation in New Zealand. Hi, Ryan, we
need to just charge people more at the borders for
the use of our national parks and infrastructure. We need
to make New Zealand greater again, says Hamish Ryan. You're
so right with vermin control. It needs to be privatized

(01:36:13):
so there is actually some accountability as the moment that
the funding at the moment, rather the funding is from
the government and the rate payers. It's just another burden
of the employees with no justification or no productivity, no KPIs,
says Dave David. It's a good point. I mean, I
know there are a lot of volunteers in New Zealand
who do a lot of amazing work and a lot

(01:36:34):
of hard work and long hours to try and trap
and chase down and kill all of the predators that
we need to in New Zealand. But is how well
is the stuff be measured, how well is the funding
being assessed against those KPIs etc. Questions. I don't have
an answer to it at the moment. Thank you very

(01:36:54):
much for all of your messages on that. They've been
very entertaining. Some of them I can't read because they're
just far too and to our national birds and we
can't have that predator free twenty fifty. Here is a
just a thought for you. We will never make it.
We will never be predator free in New Zealand ever.
I mean you can have areas. I mean, look at

(01:37:16):
Russell in Northland. They've managed to do basically well almost
of Peninsula. They've done fantastic work trapping there, but you
still get the odd one. You know, you will never
be completely predative free in New Zealand. I hate to
say it, but it's just the truth. I suppose it's
good to have an ambitious goal, isn't it? And I
think that was John Key's ambition. Right. What have we got?

Speaker 26 (01:37:37):
What are we going out to tonight? An's greedy by
take McCray to play us out tonight. She's got an
album coming out all on the twenty first, so only
a few days away actually at the end of the week.
So she's naturally been doing the interview circuit just so
that she can get the bublicity up and stuff, and
said that she never searches herself on the internet. Says basically,
it's just too much of a risk that she'll end
up looking up all the things that people are being

(01:37:59):
meanout her, and then she's worried it'll affect her creativity.
If she's, like, you know, reading all the criticism and stuff,
it will start affecting what she's actually doing in terms
of song singing and songwriting and all that sort of thing. So,
I mean, it's an interesting approach. So basically, I think
you need to stop looking at the text machine right,
stop looking at all the criticism. Apparently it's going to
fect your creative process.

Speaker 2 (01:38:17):
I quite enjoy it. Nextly, hey, quick update from police.
They responded to our request about the Devau group and
about Kenyan Clark. They say police responded to a disorder
incident this afternoon involving two parties on Victoria Avan remu Era.
There were no injuries. One person was taken into custody.
At the time However, they have been released without charge
so that you go more on that insid here dot co,

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