Full Show Podcast: 17 June 2025

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
A, questions, answers, facts, analysis, The Drive show you trust
for the full picture. Heather Dupersy on Drive with one
New Zealand Let's get connected news talks.

Speaker 2 (00:15):
That'd be.

Speaker 3 (00:17):
Afternoon, Welcome to the show. Coming up today, there are
calls for a Royal Commission of inquiry after two mental
health patients managed to murder twice, each of them the
mental Health Minister after five Trump's left the G seven early.
We're going to go to Charles Croucher who was there
and apparently gen Z has basically no leadership aspirations, so
we'll find out why.

Speaker 4 (00:37):
Heather Dupericy.

Speaker 3 (00:38):
Alisn't you offended by the swearing in the Select Committee today,
because if I'm completely honest with you, I'm not to
the extent that I'm actually surprised that this is a
minor news story. Today feels to me like every single
news outlet at the moment is carrying a story about
the fact that Deborah Russell and Duncan Labor Duncle and
Duncan Webb from Labor both swore about David Seymour and
the Select Committee scrutiny hearing for his regulation ministry. Deborah said,

(01:01):
for f's sake, under her breath, except it wasn't really
under her breath enough was it, So people heard it
and then she had to apologize and Duncan said of
David Seymour that he was making shit up. David is
not happy about this. David says he is astonished he's
accused the Labour Party of being a rabble and he
says he hasn't seen MP's casually swearing in a select

(01:22):
committee like that in eleven years now. David may be right,
but I feel like this is performative outrage from him,
because I think there is a political strategy here from
parties on the right to paint the parties on the
left as unruly, and he's just trying to build that case.
I mean, to be fair, we have absolutely been discussing
standards dropping in Parliament, but we've been talking about is
a lot more serious than just an F bomb under

(01:43):
Deborah's breath. I don't think that most of us will
if I could hazard a guess at what you're thinking,
I don't think most of us will be offended, because
I think that we can see there's a difference between
you know, properly offensive stuff like calling ministers the sea
bomb in a written column as opposed to you know,
someone muttering a five out of ten square word like

(02:04):
the F bomb. Plus the other thing is we swear,
and as keywis we love to swear, don't we? We
swear more than most people. There was research they came
out last month that showed that online we are the
fifth most sweary nation in the world, with a particular
schanp for words like prick, bloody, and a whole. So
I don't know, I'm not particularly offended by this. I
don't even think that this is really news. I also

(02:25):
think politicians have to be a little careful at what
they get outraged over, because we cannot be outraged over everything.

Speaker 4 (02:31):
Heather Duplice Ellen, I want to know what you think.

Speaker 3 (02:34):
Nine two nine two is the text number. Standard text
fees apply now. There is a disagreement between the government
and housing providers over the state of homelessness. Advocates say
homelessness has reached a crisis point, but Associate Housing Minister
Tama Pautucke today admitted yep, rough sleeping has become more
common in some areas, but he reckons the government's policies
and not contributing to the situation now, Hi Hai hutui

(02:57):
hi to Barrett is the CEO of Life Wise and
it is with us now, High Hidu.

Speaker 5 (03:03):
Calder, how are you?

Speaker 3 (03:04):
I'm very very well, thank you. What is the state
of homelessness?

Speaker 5 (03:08):
State of homelessness? So well, it's very visual right now
of our rough sleepers across our ted we're looking at
absolute probably ten years ago rough sleeping, but this time
it's on steroids, and we're looking at a crisis around
alcohol and drug mental health and distress on our streets.

Speaker 3 (03:30):
So is it mime we've ever seen?

Speaker 5 (03:33):
It's in my years and that's like nearly twenty years
now working front facing with Fano. This is the worst
I've ever seen it.

Speaker 3 (03:41):
And can we blame government policies for this?

Speaker 5 (03:44):
We can definitely blame decisions that have been made from
the current government. We're looking at EH when it was
shut down. We didn't have appropriate pipelining happening for people
coming out of the motel space who had been stuck
there for more than two years. In a lot of
the habits that we've seen on the streets that I
actually started in the motel So that means supports services

(04:06):
were really minimal because they're very under resource.

Speaker 3 (04:10):
So are you saying that these are people people who
are sleeping out on the streets at the minute, of
people who were sleeping in motels a couple of years.

Speaker 5 (04:17):
Yes, they've been through motels, they've been through transitional housing,
they've been through permanent housing. But the cohort that I've
been observing, particularly in Little to Do a community, they're
very upfront that they've been through all of the quite
a network of housing and here they are back on
the streets.

Speaker 3 (04:36):
Okay, Now, why aren't they with family or friends or
being looked after somewhere?

Speaker 5 (04:42):
In their view, they are with family and friends that
that is their final connection out of the streets. Yeah,
with the ones that they've been with for a number
of years that they deemed themselves as far no or brother,
sister or anything like that. That disconnects from their immediate
FARO usually is attributed from a lot of the trauma

(05:05):
that has happened from childhood and they just haven't returned
from going to the streets at a young age. Most
of them have been on the streets from teenage to
in their twenties. So their idea of FARO and connection
and is the streets.

Speaker 3 (05:24):
Are they actively choosing to be on the streets like
if they had the option, because obviously everybody somewhere in
their life is going to have a family member or
a friend with a house. But are they actually choosing
to sleep out on the streets?

Speaker 5 (05:34):
Yes, they are to stay out on the street.

Speaker 3 (05:36):
Can we actually blame the government all that if this
is their own choice?

Speaker 5 (05:41):
We know that they're out on the streets. But what
I understand affordable housing? I do understand those initiatives, But
the crisis that we've seen and that we need to
respond to these people will not get even near affordable housing.
It's mental health and addictions. And so the ones that
have come out of making decisions to stay out here

(06:02):
is because a lot of their addictions haven't been addressed.
And I've been putting this across to health for a
long time in the housing space. This is not just housing,
this is a health issue.

Speaker 3 (06:12):
Is the solution here? Those homeless shouters.

Speaker 5 (06:17):
Homeless shelters from when rough sleeping first started, We're not
appropriately resourced with the expertise that those require. So if
we're looking at the shelter environment again, we must have
people and this is old school that are able to
work alongside practitioners of its AOD or social workers, but
people who understand that they're there to provide a space

(06:44):
for the street faro to come in, but also not
to take any bullshit. So we see in what I've
seen or to do again, I'll use that as an
example with what that's making MEF on the side of
the road. They're doing all these outrageous activities on the
side of the road, a lot of quime, a lot
of violence, stopping families going into town, which is of

(07:05):
course affecting the economy. But because also are so condensed,
it's all in one area. That certainly happens in the
biggest cities like Tarmaky, Wellington and christ but they're more
spread out.

Speaker 3 (07:17):
Yeah, so it's quite convin Thanks for talking us through it.
I really appreciate it. That'shi to Barrett, who's the Life
y CEO. See what I was saying about swearing casual
be yes there? Did you even notice? I see the
text coming and I'll get to them in a minute.
Yesterday on the show, we were talking about the fact
that the vape rules were coming in today, and the
question was of the vape retailer is actually going to

(07:38):
pay attention to it. Well, guess what prediction has come true?
Shosha has Well. To be fair to Shosha, they have
actually abided by the rules. They've just found a way
around it, haven't they. They've been thinking about this age
as they found a loophole. So the rules that they
were going to be impeded by were the rules where
if you're selling the vapes online you cannot actually display

(07:59):
a pick of the product online. So what they're doing
now is they've just gone global. They've just registered their
website as an international website, which means it just is
full display all of the products, all of the prices.
You can go on there, you can buy your stuff
and see all the pictures and stuff like that. Because
the new rules do not prohibit purchasing vaping products from
overseas websites for personal use. Obviously the minister did not

(08:22):
think about this. The Minister is now investigating quarter Past.

Speaker 1 (08:27):
It's the Heather dupers Allen Drive Full Show podcast on
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Speaker 3 (08:33):
Zeppi Darcy water Grave, sports talk hosters of me I Dars.

Speaker 2 (08:39):
Do you have a middle name? Heather to Pless Yellen.

Speaker 3 (08:41):
Yes, what is it?

Speaker 2 (08:42):
Elizabeth Heather, Elizabeth deplic Yellen. That's quite quite Lizzy.

Speaker 3 (08:48):
What's your middle name?

Speaker 2 (08:49):
Crispin?

Speaker 3 (08:50):
What where's there?

Speaker 2 (08:53):
I've got no idea. My mother can't even remember. That
came from was ninety sixty nine. I was in the
summer of love to a couple of happy So Darcy,
Crisp and water Grave mates perfect sense.

Speaker 3 (09:06):
It really does. It's a happy name. Why are you
asking me that?

Speaker 6 (09:09):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (09:09):
Because I like to say your full name header Elizabeth
bless Yellen.

Speaker 3 (09:13):
Because it's when you named your daughter. Did you give
your daughter a family middle name?

Speaker 7 (09:17):
Yes?

Speaker 2 (09:19):
We found out in the scan straight away was a
little girl. And when we got married, my wife looked incredible.
My mother said, she looks like Ava Gardner. Now you
may not remember this fifties film star icon Ava Gardner,
and she did, so we got that name in the
back of her head when we found out the day
just off Ponsmby Road. So it was a girl. So

(09:41):
it's sweet. What when I open our present real quick,
what are we well? What about Ava? And I'm like, yeah,
because do you look like Ava Gardener. Mum's middle name
is Francis. It's an old family name, so we went
Ava Francis Walter Grave. By the time we walked out
of the scan she was named I don't want.

Speaker 3 (09:56):
To be unkind to people. I always find it weird
when people name their children just random names, just completely
random names, as opposed to a good, solid family named
you know what I mean. So I'm liking your Francis.

Speaker 2 (10:08):
I'm not entirely sure. It sounds quite Maybe the water
Francis water grades since he's going, Dad, why did you
say my I just called him a v frank.

Speaker 3 (10:21):
Now Ardie Savia. This is not altogether a surprise that
he's off to Japan, right.

Speaker 2 (10:25):
Again, Yeah, that's maybe the surprise, is it?

Speaker 3 (10:31):
But I think we knew that this was happening. Yeah,
but he's going to go back again make the dollars.

Speaker 2 (10:36):
Well, look, given the opportunity, why wouldn't you take it? Yeah,
and he sat down and said, look, guys, I'm the
best player in the world. I mean, he wouldn't say,
but no, he'll come back for the World Cup though,
he'll come back for pussy.

Speaker 3 (10:53):
People were trying to get going, which is should he
be the captain because you can't be the captain if
you're in Japan.

Speaker 2 (10:57):
He wouldn't think so, No, if you're over so he'll away,
he'll play that, he'll come back and then play Mowana.
Then twenty seven the World Cup he go route. I
think that not having him though for two seasons for
Scott robertson the coach is a little bit of a stretch.
But if you've given the opportunity and you're giving that chance,
take it.

Speaker 7 (11:16):
Yeah, why wouldn't you?

Speaker 3 (11:17):
You know, hey, why Sophie Devine retiring from the ODIs.

Speaker 2 (11:21):
She said, I'm too old. I'm getting sick of this. No,
that was off here.

Speaker 3 (11:25):
Did she really say that?

Speaker 2 (11:27):
No, she said, Look, it's got to tell you how
long she's been playing for New Zealand. Fourteen she's thirty five.
I guess someone's been playing for fifteen years coming up twenty.

Speaker 3 (11:35):
Wow, I know that's a long time.

Speaker 7 (11:37):
Queene years. It's man.

Speaker 2 (11:40):
She's on the show tonight talking to her about the decision.
How final it is. It's not a handy final really,
but tomorrow the contracted lister's coming out. She's not on it.
So that's why she's coming in out and saying this
is that I'm stepping away at the end of the
one day Finster World Cup. It's not the absolute end,
but probably will be. But I'm gonna go.

Speaker 3 (12:01):
She's what big bass league Penny doing that stuff on scholarship.
She's gonna be fine.

Speaker 2 (12:06):
Mone She's one of the first women that any cricket
franchise will go. We need her, any of those girls.
If you've got a bit huge.

Speaker 3 (12:15):
Cool, Thank you, Darcy Crispin, appreciate it. That's Elizabeth Darcy Watergrave.
He'll be back at seven o'clock for Sports Talk for
twenty two.

Speaker 4 (12:24):
Moving the big stories of the day. Born aw.

Speaker 1 (12:27):
It's Heather Duplicy on drive with One New Zealand. Let's
get connected the news talks.

Speaker 3 (12:33):
That'd be Trump has just left G seven. He was
supposed to leave in twenty four hours from now or thereabouts.
He's left twenty four hours early. And it's basically what
he's indicating is that the Iran Israel conflict is deepening
and he needs to get back to the situation room
basically to deal with it. We're going to go to
Charles Crouscher, who is Channel nine's chief political editor, who's

(12:55):
at the G seven. He'll be this after five explained
just what's going on with that situation. Back here in
New Zealand, there are calls for a royal commission of inquiry.
And by the way, it's four twenty five calls for
this royal commission of inquiry because we now have remarkably
two cases of mental health patients who have killed twice.

(13:17):
So each of these guys has managed to commit two
murders and in an intervening period between murder one and
murder two, they have been under the mental health care right.
So the first guy was a guy we still don't
know the details of his case. His case is still suppressed,
but he was found not guilty by reason of insanity twice.
So he killed two decades ago. He was in mental

(13:38):
health care. They let him out of mental health care.
Five days later he killed another person, said that he
believed that person was possessed. The second guy is the
chap who was sentenced yesterday. The old chap he killed
faith Alps. He was he had killed his brother five
decades ago. He had been put into Helmolton. He was
in heilm Molton. He was having daily excursions out to

(13:58):
be able to go and you have some sort of
life in the community did her gardening killed her? Now,
in both of these cases you would have to think
that they are reasonably high risk. And certainly old May
who was sentenced yesterday was very high risk and was
indicating that he was high risk. So the question is,
how on earth are they able to get out and
do it a second time? Does this warrant and inquiry?
We'll have a chat to the Minister Matt Doocey, who's

(14:19):
going to be with us after five o'clock.

Speaker 8 (14:22):
Here.

Speaker 3 (14:22):
The swearing in the Select Committee is completely unacceptable by
our politicians and also in the House. It's not acceptable
on the radio either from Graham Crikee Heather, I swear
at David Seymore daily. Hither you have low standards if
you think that politicians should be behaving like that, Hither,
you're wrong. Bad manners are always unacceptable either. I have
to disagree, see goodness me. I mean, I think I'm

(14:45):
on the todd here, aren't I? Hither I have to disagree.
I'm not personally offended by the language, but I think
it's a slippery slope here. The bloody good to see
labor with some mong Seemore should respect the free speech
that he loves so much here, the ffs ironic. The
last that we need is the right leaning being woke there.
Do you know what I think? Do you remember when

(15:06):
maybe it is a slippery slope, Maybe that's the truth,
and maybe we're just slipping. Maybe I'm just going down
that slope and one of those little trays, going fast
and having a fun time doing it. Although I hit
the sea bond and my the other day and when
that's a bit much for me, it was like a tree.
I feel like the people complaining are the same people
who would have complained about the bugger ad, the toyota ad.
Do you know what I mean? Like, there's always going
to be some people who are like, WHOA can't handle that,

(15:29):
and the rest of us are liking that. It's fine.
Headline's next.

Speaker 4 (15:33):
If this were mad.

Speaker 1 (15:36):
Recamping the day's big news and making tomorrow's headlines, it's
hither duplicy Ellen drive with one New Zealand let's get
connected news talk.

Speaker 4 (15:46):
Sa'd be.

Speaker 9 (15:49):
To have.

Speaker 3 (15:52):
The word to hey, apparently they've got that fire under
control in Auckland at the supermarket.

Speaker 5 (15:58):
Now.

Speaker 3 (15:59):
Sorry everybody else who doesn't live in central Auckland, because
you don't care. That's my supermarket, isn't it. So it's
very inconvenient to me. I don't know where I'm going
to get my milk on the way home from work.
Probably have to go to the other supermarket, which is
a k down the road. That's going to be a
pain in the butt. That fire is bad, by the way,

(16:22):
So I don't know. If you live in the Auckland
Central Region, if you like to come to Victoria Park,
walk your dog have a cruise around that supermarket. And
I don't blame you, because that's a very cool supermarket.
It has one of those well it had it don't anymore.
It's all burnt down, isn't it had one of those
cool pineapple slicing machines. You ever used one of those
pineapple slicing machines at the supermarket. Sometimes I go to

(16:42):
the supermarket and I don't mean to buy a pineapple
because I like watching this happen. I just end up
buying a pineapple. It's the most cost effective way of
buying a pineapple. You can buy pineapples and those little
plastic containers all chopped up like a thousand dollars for
a little bit of pineapple, or you can get a
full pineapple, chuck it in the pineapple slicing machine. Have
you seen this thing? You pop it in and then

(17:03):
you press the go button. Half the time it doesn't work,
and then the chap has to come and fix it.
But the other half it stops. It chops the top
of the bottom off with these really sharp blades quick right,
and then you've got a pineapple that's been decapitated and defooted,
and then it slides across to the next bit and
then it basically degloves it right, so it just it's
like it goes down into it like a cartridge and

(17:24):
it takes off the outside. Why are you laughing at me?
The German is a hysterics. I don't think she's used
one of these things. She doesn't understand. Goes down the thing, right,
and it takes off the outside. There's a lot of wastage.
But I'm okay with this because of the convenience and
also cause it so then you get those pineapple rounds.
That's what you're left with, is like a pineapple bullet.
And then it goes and it just slices it for you,

(17:46):
and then you're left or the container of more pineapple
for a more pineapple than you get one of the
choppy up containers for less of a price. Burned down today.
That's why I'm devastated because I don't know that there
is another one of these machines. I am being selfish.
I realize this is someone's business and they are more
devastated than me, But I don't have my pineapple slicing
machine and I don't know where I'm going to go

(18:07):
and get one. So anyway, and also for you, because
now you're not gonna be able to go use it
and see what I'm talking about. Anyway, good news. They've
dampened it down and they're getting on top of it.
So there you go. And they holding a press conference
at five o'clock and we'll get you across those details
because I guess we're all wondering is this another sky
city because they were doing the construction, so we're all like,
did somebody accidentally start that fire with some sparks? Hopefully

(18:27):
we find out at five it's twenty two too.

Speaker 1 (18:30):
It's the world wires on newstalks, they'd be drive.

Speaker 3 (18:33):
So Donald Trump has left the G seven early, as
I told you before, reportedly because of the Israel Israel
Iran conflict.

Speaker 8 (18:39):
Now.

Speaker 3 (18:39):
According to Fox, he's told a security team to go
to the White House situation room, and Israeli political commentator
says that bing Yamin nettnya who appears completely uninterested in peace, the.

Speaker 10 (18:48):
Government has not been able to speak clearly about such
an off run, or about an exit strategy, or about
an end. Again, many options have been sloaded, from a
regime change to you are slowing down the nucleian program.

Speaker 3 (19:02):
Trump's early departure means that albow has been stood up. Thankfully,
Sir Kias Starmer has been able to speak to his
new bestie Trump about the orchestrale.

Speaker 6 (19:10):
We're proceeding with that.

Speaker 7 (19:11):
It's a really important deal to both of us.

Speaker 11 (19:13):
I think the person that was doing a review, we
did a review when we came into governments, so that
makes good sense to me.

Speaker 2 (19:18):
We're very long time for partners and allies and friends,
and we've become friends in a short period of time.

Speaker 3 (19:25):
And finally, you're.

Speaker 4 (19:26):
Just a pink little man who's far too slow on
the draw.

Speaker 3 (19:30):
Thirty contestants have taken part in a Pedro Pascal lookalike
contest at a Mexican restaurant. In New York City. The
winner was a guy from George named George. He's a
guy from Brooklyn. He's a dad. The restaurant decided to
hold the contest because the real Pedro Pascal once said
there was no good Mexican food anywhere in New York City.

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Speaker 3 (19:54):
Murriol's Ossie corresponds to US now Mars.

Speaker 6 (19:56):
Hello and good afternoon, Heather.

Speaker 3 (19:59):
How's elbow feeling about this?

Speaker 6 (20:01):
We don't know.

Speaker 12 (20:02):
We don't know, but I think perhaps maybe in his
deepest heart of hearts, he might think, wow, I've dodged
a bullet, because you never know what you're going to get,
do you When you go into a room with Donald Trump,
when you shake hands, you got to count your fingers.
But certainly he was very encouraged by those remarks from
Saquias Starmer, the British Prime Minister. He had a one
on one with Trump and he came out of that saying,

(20:24):
listen to the or Submarine Pact is in good shape
as far as the UK is concerned, and of course
ORCUST stands for Australia, the United Kingdom in the United States.
So Sakias Starmers come out of that meeting with Trump saying, look,
it looks pretty good. We had a review. Australia, for
its part, is saying, well, no, we don't need a review.
It's full steam ahead. But of course it's not until

(20:45):
Donald Trump says it is. So perhaps Anthony Albinizi has
dodged a bullet. He did want to obviously bring up
the Orchest submarine deal. He also wanted to talk about tariffs,
because I mean, the fact of the matter is either
Donald Trump doesn't understand how trade works or he doesn't
give her rats because the trade surplus is all in

(21:05):
America's favor when it comes to Australia. So that's the
point that no doubt Albanez he wanted to make. He
will have a chance to see him twice later this year.
There's the UN meets Leaders meeting in New York in September.
The Quad Dialogue's going to be held in India. So look,
it's not all It's not all doom and gloom. As
far as the Australians are concerned, I'm sure mass have.

Speaker 3 (21:26):
They finished the summing up of the arguments in the
mushroom shift trim.

Speaker 6 (21:30):
Not yet. The prosecution finished this morning.

Speaker 12 (21:32):
Defense was getting under way around lunchtime. Basically, what the
prosecution has said Aaron Patterson is a multiple murderer, and
she's told so many lies it's hard to know where
they start and where they finish. The prosecution's accused her
of killing three relatives with a poisonous meal, attempting to
kill a fourth. They say she's basically lied or her

(21:54):
teeth in main areas while she fabricated the claim that
she had cancer.

Speaker 6 (21:57):
To get them to the lunch, she made individual portions of.

Speaker 12 (22:00):
Beef Wellington rather than the great big beef, fill it
and then serve them on different plates.

Speaker 6 (22:05):
The four plates that.

Speaker 12 (22:06):
The dead and injured eight their meal off were different
to her plate. She also pretended to be ill after
the lunch so it wouldn't be suspicious. In fact, as
I say, the prosecutions had so many lives it was
difficult to keep up. Defense says, well, you've just cherry
picked all the evidence, and there was quite a bit
of it. She was in the witness box for eight
for six for eight days, A big your pardon, and

(22:26):
the defense lawyer asked the jury to consider if deathcaf
mushrooms could have gone under the meal by accident, and secondly,
would it be a reasonable possibility that she did not
intend to kill her injured her guests, and if either.

Speaker 6 (22:38):
Of those propositions was acceptable to the jury.

Speaker 12 (22:41):
Defense maintained you were obliged to find this patison not guilty.
So when our last checked it was ongoing. Not sure
how long it will go.

Speaker 3 (22:49):
But so basically we can say today or tomorrow it
should wrap our ay.

Speaker 6 (22:53):
Oh gosh, yeah, I would absolutely say so.

Speaker 3 (22:55):
Yes, yeah, I'm looking forward to seeing what happens here. Listen,
what's going on with you people in Sydney? So you
got three people shot in broad daylight?

Speaker 12 (23:03):
Yep, it was a kebab shop in western Sydney a
quarter past one on the afternoon at Auburn.

Speaker 6 (23:08):
It's a very busy part of the city.

Speaker 12 (23:11):
And two guys and they believe stolen Audi with fake
number plates. They simply jump out of the car and
broad daylight, walk up at the front of the shop.
A couple of handguns bang bang, bang, and eight shots
and all were fired.

Speaker 6 (23:25):
They say.

Speaker 12 (23:25):
Police believe well in terms of the victims of fifty
five year old woman who was just working in the shops.
She's got shot twice in the body, and they say
there was an Underworld figure known to police. He was
shot in the arm and his elbow. And the third
person was a man. They understand it may have been
the guy's bodyguard. He was shot in the face and

(23:46):
he's in a very serious condition. And all this is
over the Underworld drug trade in Sydney and the fact
that there apparently has been like a minor gang that
was available for killings.

Speaker 6 (23:58):
For hire game was split up.

Speaker 12 (24:01):
Some freelancers have gone out on their own and this
is apparently caused turmoil in the Underworld drugs and free
lance killers.

Speaker 6 (24:08):
I mean, it's like something out of a movie, but
it's happening in the streets of Sydney.

Speaker 3 (24:11):
Well, it's your next episode of Underworld, isn't it. Whatever
it was called Underballet.

Speaker 6 (24:15):
Underbelly, remember, and that was real. That was real, down
and valve. That was fascinating too.

Speaker 3 (24:20):
Totally muz listen, thanks very much, appreciate it. Murray Old's
Australia correspondent hither I can tell you what didn't start
the fire at New World, and that's their red hot prices.
Actually particularly that one. That one was known for being
the opposite of red hot prices. In fact, was it
not one of the most expensive in the country. I
think it was. It was that one. All Schafers in Wellington,
those two often took out the old title here the

(24:42):
tri buying try buying tinned pineapple, cheapest chips and already
diced tony. There is a tony. No, there is a
time and a place for tinned pineapple, and it is
not when you're trying to eat a fresh pineapple.

Speaker 1 (24:57):
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Speaker 4 (25:02):
Curtay with us.

Speaker 3 (25:02):
Now we have Jason Wall's news talk z bes politically
as Hi, Jason, good afternoon, Heather. Who cares about the swearing?
It wasn't even that bad.

Speaker 13 (25:10):
Well in the scheme of things, No, And I was
just actually having quite an interesting chat with your producer
there just about the consistencies here. I mean David Seymour
obviously talking about how bad he thinks the swearing is
and the standards of this place. But it was one
It was his deputy leader that dropped the sea bomb
in the house a couple of weeks ago. Now, admittedly
completely different circumstances. I would say that arguably Brook van

(25:31):
Velden was using it sort of more to defend herself
and what had been thrown at her and her fellow
ministerial colleagues. But today in the House, I mean, you know, listen, listen, listen.
If you hadn't heard it, here is how it went
down with Deborah Russell and David Semo this morning.

Speaker 14 (25:47):
I'm sorry, what was the unparliamentary upis one thing I
should have kepped under my breath.

Speaker 7 (25:53):
We'll just tell people like.

Speaker 13 (25:59):
Parlimentary and I shoul so she was, she was quoting herself
and then she didn't have to say it like that.
She could have said for f's sake, but she did
it because you know, there was a little bit of
sort of it kind of gets all attention on it.
I mean, listen, we're talking about it right now. And
a few minutes later, Duncan Webb, Duncan Webb, who's also
Labor MP, said something similar.

Speaker 7 (26:17):
Do you want to correct that or are you going
to keep saying something which is not accurate?

Speaker 8 (26:23):
Well, I think you could argue with something that's not
the precise.

Speaker 7 (26:27):
However, well, I would call it making up.

Speaker 13 (26:33):
The interesting thing about the Duncan web one is that
I was on Instagram just before and he had clipped
that up himself and put it on his own Instagram.
So it's clearly a device that they're using to kind
of grab headlines here and being a little bit sweary
berry to get people interested in.

Speaker 3 (26:47):
And I'll tell you what.

Speaker 13 (26:48):
The thing that they were talking about before he said
that he was making quote shit up was regulations around
the how many parts per thousand milligrams are in flour.
And it's not exactly headline grabbing stuff. So it's all
a stun it's all. And we've talked about this before,
Heather sometimes the labor MPs and of course David Seymour
does it as well. They're go in wearing little lapel

(27:09):
makes to get it clipped up for their social media.
So it's all a bit of a game, okay.

Speaker 3 (27:13):
And the thing about it is these guys, So first
of all, it Duncan Web is a NERD, so this
makes them a lot more accessible to the average person.
And is it not also so you can see why
it works for him to do this, but also is
it not rich from David Seymour, who fameless famously went
out and said the French love the cock and the
whole thing was contrived. So he himself knows how to
how to kind of, you know, get the get attention

(27:36):
for saying naughty things, doesn't he?

Speaker 6 (27:37):
Oh?

Speaker 13 (27:38):
Absolutely, And he did it before the twenty seventeen election
as well with the New Zealanders.

Speaker 3 (27:42):
I feel like I just need to quickly clarify he
was talking about the bird.

Speaker 6 (27:45):
The bird.

Speaker 13 (27:45):
Yeah, yeah, you know they talk about the French and
the Robe team, but David Seymour had, I mean to
what you were saying. He has done this before. It
was Richard Prosser, who was a New Zealand first MP,
was talking about nationalizing the energy companies to a conference
and David Seymour stood up and said, what an effing
it in front of everybody, and we all got on
our laptops and we started writing stories up about how
David seymol said it. So politicians, and I've always said this,

(28:06):
they all have one f bomb in them that they
can use to grab attention without getting in trouble. You
just need to know when to use it.

Speaker 3 (28:12):
Yeah, totally. Now, what is this line in the sand
that Paul Goldsmith has drawn treaty.

Speaker 13 (28:17):
Minister Paul Goldsmith said during a Select committee this morning
that the Government will not agree to a treaty settlement
that disputes whether the Crown is now sovereign, and that
includes any EWE which may have an agree to disagree
clause around whether or not Marty did seed sovereignty, such
as Stefan now Apanui, which has had such a clause
within its settlement negotiations. So in their deed notes, the

(28:41):
twelve hapu that make up the EWI consider that they
are a sovereign nation that never ceded sovereignty to the
Crown and retain that sovereignty today. Now, Goldsmith said the
government is uncomfortable with this agree to disagree clause and
it is not prepared to progress the settlement without that
being removed. So that was in the Select Committee today

(29:01):
and he said that it made it difficult in the
sense that you're signing up to a full and final settlement,
but the entity fundamentally doesn't acknowledge the authority of the
Crown to do it in that respect, and we were
and he says that the government wasn't comfortable with that,
and he went on to say the Crown's position is clear,
the Crown is sovereign and the Crown is simply the
representation of the democratic will of the people of New Zealand.

(29:25):
So there's a bit of a staush brewing there. So
we'll watch to see how this one plays out.

Speaker 3 (29:29):
Yeah, very interesting. Hey, thanks very much, Jason, appreciate it.
That's Jason Wall's newstorg zb's political editor. The Greens. Where's
the Greens here? The Green Party has released. Look, I
don't want to be that kind of person who says, oh,
I'm not going to go read a thing, but I'm
just not because the Green Party has released its fiscal
plan and I think we all know why we're not
going to bother to read it, because it'll be written
in fairy dustin feature unicorns jumping through hopes and you know,

(29:51):
I mean, I've got better things to do with my time.
But I did read about it, and my favorite line
is this one from Green Party co leader Chloe Swarbrick,
who gave an interview in advance and said the plan
was about taking a step back and asking what is
this thing we call the economy? You can see why
I'm not going to read it aight away from five.

Speaker 1 (30:12):
Putting the time questions to the newspeakers, The mic Hosking Breakfast.

Speaker 2 (30:16):
And nearly one thousand families out of emergency housing.

Speaker 15 (30:18):
Minister Chris Bishops back with this this great news. We're
really proud of it. There's a few things going on.
I mean the first is we adopted a policy. If
you're on the social housing weightlist and you've been in
emergency housing for twelve weeks or longer and you've got kids,
you go straight to the top of the waitlist, which
means that Coing Aura and the community housing sector can
take you out of that motel and you get the
first preference essentially to get into a social house. That's
made an enormous difference. Three years ago under labor at

(30:40):
one point we had over four thousand families living permanently
in these motels. Now we just top the view that
you were absolutely prioritiy number one. No one wants children
growing up in these motel room.

Speaker 12 (30:50):
Back tomorrow at six am The mic Hosking Breakfast with
Avida News Talk ZB No.

Speaker 3 (30:55):
Here there is Labour staff for attention so badly that
they had to swear to get some of it's childish. Well,
it's actually just just how politics works now, right, And
look they're getting the attention, so it worked four away
from five.

Speaker 6 (31:06):
Now.

Speaker 3 (31:08):
I think this is interesting. There's been a survey that
has been done and it appears that Generation Z are
not particularly interested in becoming bosses at work or partners
or whatever it is that, you know, whatever, the high
high level of their job is. Generation Z are the
ones who are turning nine anywhere between nineteen to thirty
this year, right, so the youngest in the workforce at

(31:28):
the moment. Only six percent of them say they aspire
to leadership positions. It's not clear why. I mean, it
could be that they maybe they see how much sacrifice
older generations have put into to get it climbing the
corporate ladder. They don't want to do it. They don't
want to get burnout, they don't want to sacrifice their
life for that kind of thing. Maybe they've just got
more things going on in their life. Maybe they're satisfied

(31:49):
with the volunteering they're doing, all the clubs, they're whatever,
who knows. Who knows. Could be that they looked at
their heroes like Sheryl Sandberg and she turned out to
be you know, not awesome that kind of thing. Anyway,
we're gonna find out. We're actually gonna talk to one
of these people, Rowan O'Neill Stevens, who is a twenty
four year old deputy mayor of Nelson, as to why

(32:09):
they they're not that interested in getting ahead. Heather, New
World and Munga Phi has a pineapple machine and also
the one that squeezes the oranges for fresh juice. Well,
because you know ya, you know about people who live.
Munga Phi got a lot of money lately, so they've
got the double banged. Actually, we had one of those
those orange machines at the New World, but now it's

(32:30):
obviously also gone up in the old flames, so rip
to the orange machine as well. News talks that'd be.

Speaker 1 (32:39):
Persons digging through the spin to find the real story story.
It's Heather du for the on Drive with one New
Zealand let's get connected news dogs.

Speaker 16 (32:55):
That'd be afternoon.

Speaker 3 (32:57):
There is a call for a Royal Commission of Inquiry
into the forensic mental health system. This comes after two
people were recently killed by mental health patients, both after
each of these patients had already killed someone before. Matt
Doosey is the mental Health Minister and with us now,
how Matt Hi Heather, what do you think should we
have a Royal Commission of inquiry.

Speaker 17 (33:17):
For those individual cases you're talking about? There is independent
reviews underway and coronial inquests, so I won't be commenting
until they've been completed.

Speaker 3 (33:28):
Can you not tell us whether you're leaning towards a
Royal Commission of inquiry or not?

Speaker 6 (33:33):
No?

Speaker 17 (33:33):
Like I say, there is an independent review coronial inquest
that they'll make findings and recommendations.

Speaker 3 (33:39):
Do you reckon? These are the only two cases.

Speaker 5 (33:44):
The story?

Speaker 17 (33:45):
Only two cases of what are these.

Speaker 3 (33:47):
The only two cases of people who have killed twice
once while they're already in mental health care?

Speaker 17 (33:53):
Oh okay, I'm not aware of any others.

Speaker 3 (33:56):
Do you think it's remarkable that we have two cases already?
Because that's quite staggering, isn't it.

Speaker 6 (34:03):
Yeah?

Speaker 17 (34:03):
Well, I suppose that's why we have the independent reviews
and the coronial inquests.

Speaker 3 (34:08):
How when you found out about this were you alarmed?

Speaker 17 (34:13):
I think when you look at mental health, we've got
people under the Compulsory Mental Health Act. I mean, in
mental health it is about treatment and risk. But our
settings for our mental health patients are in legislation, and
you know, I think we do need to go through
the appropriate process.

Speaker 3 (34:33):
Do you think that perhaps we've got the settings wrong? Right? So,
in at least one of the cases, this is the
killing of faith Alps, the family of faith Alps feel
that her rights to know that the guy who was
turning up at her house to do the gardening was
a mental health patient, that right was lesser than his
right to privacy, that she shouldn't know that he's a

(34:54):
mental health patient. Have we got that balance a bit funny?

Speaker 17 (34:57):
Well, that's what I would be expecting to be looked Dowt,
with the external review and the cronial inquest, to be
looking at those issues around clinical decision making.

Speaker 3 (35:06):
Yeah, okay, I want to ask you this a question again, Matt.
Were you alarmed when you heard about these cases?

Speaker 17 (35:13):
Well, I'm always alarmed when sadly someone loses their life
and also when there's serious offenses, So of course I
am genuinely alarmed. And that's why I'm ensuring that there
is an independent review and a coronial inquest, and I
would expect them to look at the clinical decisions made
in each of those cases.

Speaker 3 (35:34):
How long do these I mean, you know these things
take years, don't They.

Speaker 17 (35:39):
Not necessarily? But I think quite rightly the questions you
are raising, I would expect the external reviews and the
cronial inquest to be answering those questions. That's why we
undertake them.

Speaker 3 (35:52):
Because the reason I ask you about how long it's
going to take is in the meantime, we're all sitting
here wondering what is going on with the mental health
health system that two of these blogs have been able
to go and kill for a second time.

Speaker 17 (36:05):
Like I say, the settings around our mental health patients,
whether they are granted special leaves or other types of leave,
are legislated for.

Speaker 16 (36:16):
So I.

Speaker 3 (36:18):
I don't know that that's the problem. This chap was
telling them that if they if they kicked him out
of the hospital, if they discharged him, he would be
chopping up bodies. And yet apparently nobody and there were
multiple times that he was talking about going on to
commit a second murder, and none of those red flags
were noticed by anybody. I mean, is the problem the
fact that he was allowed out, or is the problem

(36:38):
that everybody just heard him talking about murdering people and
chopping them up and they thought, oh, nothing big, no
big deal. Isn't that the actual problem?

Speaker 17 (36:45):
Well, I would expect those questions to be answered through
the external review and a CRONIU in quest.

Speaker 3 (36:52):
All right, Matt, thank you, appreciate your time. Matt Doocy,
Minister of Mental.

Speaker 4 (36:56):
Health, either duplicy Allen.

Speaker 3 (36:58):
Donald Trump has just left the G seven summon in Canada.
He's on his way back to the Situation Room at
the White House to handle this ongoing conflict between Israel
and Iran. Charles Croucher is Channel nine's chief political leeditor
at the G seven with us. Now, Hey, Charles, Hey,
how are you. I'm very well, thanks mate. Do you
get the feeling that this is all about to kack
off again?

Speaker 18 (37:17):
Well, it feels that way, and that would explain a
lot of what's happened here from the truth social message
from Donald Trump saying get out of Tehran and we
warned you. It gave you a chance to this action
of the president leaving and sort of forewarning that when
he leaves something will happen.

Speaker 6 (37:34):
So that's kind of the situation.

Speaker 18 (37:36):
The whole world is watching at the moment, not knowing
what that answer is, and as they assemble around the
Situation Room in Washington, DC. The President's on his way
back there. It seems from what is coming out of America,
the US aren't directly involved in whatever happens next, but
it's clear they've been told, or at least it appears
they've been told that something is about to happen, and

(37:58):
we all sort of wait to see what that is.

Speaker 3 (38:00):
Benjamin Ninna, who gave an interview to ABC just a
few hours ago, he says he is still considering killing
around Supreme Leader to end the conflict. Is Trump losing
control over the situation?

Speaker 6 (38:12):
Oh yeah, yeah, and that happened a while ago.

Speaker 18 (38:14):
I mean that he has made warnings to other countries,
in particular to Russia regarding Ukraine. I mean, don't forget
this was a conflict that was going to be ended.
On day one of the Trump administration, he had warned
Vladimir Putin, had spoken of Vladimir Putin. It was clear
that this was the might of the US coming in diplomatically.
And then Russia proceeded with the strikes on Kiev and

(38:35):
other places in Ukraine and nothing happened as a result. So,
if you are well, you can assume that if Benymin
Nittnya who is looking at that and hearing these warnings
from Donald Trump. He knows there aren't many consequences, it
seems for ignoring those, and that's.

Speaker 6 (38:52):
Sort of I think we we'll have a lot of
people worried about.

Speaker 18 (38:54):
What comes next.

Speaker 16 (38:55):
Now.

Speaker 18 (38:57):
Donald Trump also has a pangeant for moving gold, and
maybe that's what he's doing. Maybe you're flying back to
Showy serious and that might be assigned to the Israeli
leader to change what the plan is. But we don't know,
and we may never know when it comes to that
as well.

Speaker 3 (39:10):
Charles is good to talk to you. I really appreciate
your time, mate. You look after yourself. That's Charles Crutcher,
Channel nine's chief political editor. I have got good news
for Wellington and I have got good news for Auckland,
and I'm going to give it to you shortly fourteen
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They're going to get more utes, but even those ones
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A BYD customer was telling them the other day. They've
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c Ellen here. The Trump left the G seven after
making a fool of himself in a press conference with
the Canadian Prime Minister. Conspiracy theory as to why he left,
But you know it's Trump, so who knows what's going on.
It's coming up eighteen past five. Now it's time to

(40:35):
talk about the gen Z's. These are the guys who
were born between nineteen ninety seven and twenty twelve. Now,
according to new research, when they were asked what their
primary career goal was, only six percent of the gen
Zs said that they want to reach a leadership position.
Rowan O'Neil Stevens is gen Z. He's also the deputy
mayor of Nelson and with us Now Rowan, Hello.

Speaker 7 (40:55):
Oh, got to hear that.

Speaker 3 (40:56):
Why don't you guys want to be leaders?

Speaker 19 (41:00):
I'm not convinced that looking through the survey, it's as
much about not wanting to be leaders but more being
driven by other things within the workplace. I mean, when
you look at the top scoring results there, it's things
like maintaining a good work life balance and achieving financial independence,
which doesn't necessarily exclude leadership as a part of that.

Speaker 3 (41:23):
Yes, so it's kind of like not wanting to go
for leadership for the sake of leadership with all the
burnout and all the stress and all of that stuff.
Is that right?

Speaker 6 (41:33):
Yeah?

Speaker 19 (41:34):
Yeah, And I think it's critical to understand. Especially I'm
always a skeptic when we talk in generational teams because
there's so much nuance to that, but understanding, you know,
gen Z's grown up through a time that's been sort
of focused on the risks and threat of climate change

(41:55):
of a mass development and technology, but also finance and stability,
a housing crisis and the anxiety that goes along with that.
To me, it makes perfect sense that if you're asked
what your main goal out of your job is, it's
you want to live a happy life and for that
to be a part of it.

Speaker 3 (42:14):
You guys have actually copped a lot of grief for
being unambitious, and this is not the only time that
you have. But is it actually maybe possible that what
you are is just actually wise beyond your years and
you just realize you don't have to spoil your life
with too much hard work, and what you want is
just a good life.

Speaker 19 (42:30):
I mean, I think that's very generous of you. But
I do think that increasingly that is the focus I
know within my friends is It's not that it's an
avoidance of leadership, but it's about looking at how can
I take steps to live as good life as possible,

(42:52):
and oftentimes leadership does fall into that. And you know,
I think about my own experience is leadership wasn't the
goal that was meaningful work that aligned with my values,
and through that stumbled into positions of leadership.

Speaker 20 (43:08):
Yep.

Speaker 3 (43:08):
Now I'm talking to you because you're standing down, aren't you?
Why are you standing down?

Speaker 19 (43:13):
Really sort of along those same lines of one wanting
to make space for new leaders to step up, but
also to find new challenges and new ways too find
meaning in my work and to contribute to our community.

Speaker 3 (43:28):
Interesting, Hey, Rowan, thanks very much, appreciate it. Rowan O'Neil Stevens,
gen Z Deputy Mayor of Nelson, standing down. We've been
too rough, You're like, we've been too rough on the
gen Zs. Don't tell them that I said that about them,
because I really want to. I want to continue to
hate on them like we always do. But I think
they're onto something. I mean, it's taken me until my
forties to realize maybe a work life balance is a

(43:49):
good thing to keep you happy all the time. They've
realized that at a very young age, haven't they. Heather
Matt Ducy, What a heartless interview with seemingly zero interesting,
such a serious issue, waste of time and all space.
Heither you think a cabinet minister with one portfolio would
be a bit more across his one thing, Heather, I
quite like Matt Doosey, but it did himself and the

(44:10):
mental health care no favors and certainly not at all
empathetic towards the families involved. Great Scott here that did
you just interview a repeat loop recording of a minister?
I don't know that that was great from Matt.

Speaker 2 (44:20):
I think it was.

Speaker 6 (44:22):
It is.

Speaker 3 (44:23):
I think Matt was answering us with process answers where
actually what you probably want to here is, Holy Hannah,
how did this happen? From him?

Speaker 6 (44:29):
Do you know what I mean?

Speaker 3 (44:30):
Anyway? To start with Wellington's good news, that hideous apartment
block on the Terrace is going to be bold and
you know what I'm talking about. I'm talking about the
Gordon Wilson Flats, which has been an I saw since
pretty much the day they were built. They're hideous. It
will lose it. They the flats will lose the protected
heritage status. They will now be demolished. They have been

(44:51):
sitting EMC since twenty twelves. Ain't nobody going to care
about that because they are too unsafe to live in
Rama Reform and Housing Minister Chris Bishop is the man
who deserves all the praise going to bowl Itt. He's
passing a law in the next few weeks to wrecking
ball that I saw. Now. Not everyone agrees with me,
namely architects who love it. One of them will be
with us in fifteen minutes to explain. And I've got

(45:11):
Auckland's good news coming up shortly five twenty.

Speaker 1 (45:14):
Two Informed inside into today's issues. It's Heather duplicy Ellen
drive with one New Zealand let's get connected news.

Speaker 4 (45:23):
Talks that'd be Hea the Nope.

Speaker 3 (45:26):
Working with gen z As can be a nightmare because
their work life balance comes at others expense. Mary, thank you.
Five twenty five. Now I tell you what I'm going
to be watching with some interest in the next few weeks.
It's that employment bill that Actors just introduced to Parliament
that would make it a lot easier for employers to
fire staff who earn more than one hundred and eighty
thousand dollars because those quote high earning staff would not

(45:48):
be able to take personal grievance cases for unjustified dismissal.
Now I say high earning with air quotes, because while yes,
these people do earn a lot more than the average wage,
I don't think that they earn so much much that
they can be considered I don't know, rich pricks and
treated so callously as to simply fire them without them
having any recourse. Many of these people, I think will

(46:09):
probably be raising families, because you don't earn one hundred
and eighty thousand dollars plus if you're in your early twenties,
do you. These are people who are in management, maybe
even in upper management, and I'd imagine that they've got
families to feed a lot of them and families to
look after. So I imagine these people would be amongst
the most stressed if they could just lose their jobs
all of a sudden. I think ACT is taking something

(46:31):
of a political gamble here, because I would have thought
that this is a case of ACT screwing over some
of its own voters, because remember ACT does well in
well healed places like EPSOM, which is where people earning
more than one hundred and eighty thousand dollars a year live.
Now I'm not sure what's made ACT feel like they
have to do this, because it's not as if there
has been this huge public debate about how people on

(46:52):
one hundred and eighty thousand dollars plus have been terrible
employees who need to have their employment right stripped. And
if anything, this is just going to provide work for lawyers,
because people in this kind of money will have the
means and if they have families to feed, the motivation
as well to litigate, and I suspect that they will,
so I'm very keen to see if ACT actually goes
through with this part of its plan, because from where

(47:13):
I'm sitting, this just looks like a really weird idea
with more downsides than upsides.

Speaker 4 (47:18):
Heather dupery Ala speak to an.

Speaker 3 (47:20):
Employment lawyer about that after six o'clock. Happy news for
Auckland seventh on the list of the world's most liveable cities.
This is a list that's put together every year by
the economist. I'll read it to you, well, I'll read
it to it till we get Aukland because no one
cares about beyond that number one, Copenhagen number two in
equal place, Vienna and Zurich number three. Melbourne, number four, Geneva,

(47:44):
number five, Sydney and then number seven. Well you know,
I've stuffed up the counting on this one, but number
seven Osaka and Auckland tiede how them? And I know
a lot of people in Auckland because this is what
happened in the newsroom today when I told them we
are like, what are you talking about? I can't get
from here to here with it. It takes me five
hundred hours to get across the city. They look at
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stability like the fact that you're not being shot at
by Israel at the moment, for example. Look at things
like crime and pollution and temperatures and do you have
a beach nearby? Smaller places tend to do quite well,
and Auckland is a small city internationally and almost half
of the top twenty places are located in East Asia
and Australasia. So how good is that Auckland. Well, don't
you headline's next.

Speaker 1 (48:31):
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Speaker 6 (48:40):
That'd be.

Speaker 3 (48:49):
Well as I suspected ACT is not getting the love
on this, Heather, I totally agree acts unjustified dismissal proposal
is bizarre given their support base practically makes no sense. Hither,
As an earner of over one hundred and eighty thousand
dollars and an EPSOM voter previously ACT supporder, I hope
AXE betrayal of its base blows up in its face.
Hither I earn one hundred and eighty five thousand dollars,
but I'm raising three kids and my wife cannot work.

(49:10):
Actors lost my vote because I certainly ain't rich. And
there's no taking a month off for a break after
I get dropped from my job for the partners to
ensure that they can take a month's holiday. Why on
earth do I stay in New Zealand. Yeah, it's just
it's It's really weird, isn't it. I'd love to know why.
I'd love to know why. Anyway, the Huddle's standing by
and as I say, Jennifer Mills employment lawyer will talk
us through this when she's with us. After six. It's

(49:31):
twenty three away from six, Heather, Good news for Wellington
because those hideous Gordon Wilson Flats are going to be bold.
The government's changing the RMA, taking away the heritage protection,
and then they're going to get demolished. Ken Davis is
a former teacher at Victoria University School of Architecture who's
with us.

Speaker 11 (49:47):
Now, Hi, Ken Okyota.

Speaker 3 (49:50):
Now, let me guess you love it because it's one
of only two examples of the brutalist that's left in
the country.

Speaker 6 (49:54):
Yes, No, I love I don't really love it.

Speaker 16 (49:58):
I think it's really important why as part of our
cultural heritage, and also the fact if we pull it
down we are destroying some existing Bible housing units that
already exist. They only need to be refurbished, and to
destroy them and to demolish them as a waste of
embodied energy and carbon, and it's really counter to global

(50:24):
trends in sustainable architectural practice where the most sustainable building
is the existing building.

Speaker 3 (50:32):
Ken. They're ugly though, aren't they.

Speaker 16 (50:35):
Well, it's just a point of view. I think they're
ugly too, But it doesn't mean say you should destroy them.
The beehives ugly.

Speaker 4 (50:43):
Actually would.

Speaker 6 (50:46):
People thought Ourfield's house was ugly, they also thought to
be destroyed.

Speaker 3 (50:52):
You're just listing all of these buildings in Wellington that
need to be bold because they're hideous.

Speaker 16 (50:58):
No, there's no justification for calling them down because you
don't like the look of them. In fact, ugly can
be quite beautiful. So it's just the really the lens
you look at things through.

Speaker 3 (51:08):
Really, okay, I mean, you know, me being silly aside.
Set that aside. These buildings, this particular building is not like.
First of all, it is ugly. The brutalist style is ugly.
Then you've got the fact that it's No.

Speaker 7 (51:22):
That's not true.

Speaker 3 (51:23):
It's my argument.

Speaker 16 (51:25):
Okay, Well I've got plenty of counter arguments.

Speaker 6 (51:28):
Let me go.

Speaker 3 (51:29):
So it's ugly. Second of all, it's derelict. It's an
earthquake problem. Now I take your point that there can
be an argument as to whether it is cheaper or
not to refurbish this or demolish and start again. But
the owner wants to the university wants to demolish and
start again. So shouldn't we just let them do that.

Speaker 16 (51:50):
Well, it was protected for a very long time, over
thirty years by the Willings Council, and then it went
to the Environment Court when that was overthrown and reinstated.
There's been a long history of terms of protection. One
point is that that isn't an earthquake risk. The twenty
fifteen seismic assessment by Becker's demonstrated the building based on

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the analysis was fifty percent of the national buildings standard.
That's well above the thirty four percent that below which
buildings become earthquake prone. So in fact, it could be
reinhabited immediately if it was refurbished. So that's not an argument.

Speaker 3 (52:28):
Ken out of interest. Where's the other one in the country,
the other brutalist Fielding.

Speaker 16 (52:31):
Well, the other one was in Upper Grays Avenue and sadly,
and in an act of cultural vandalism because Congaroo didn't
understand the value of its own architectural heritage and still doesn't,
they pulled it down to build a very good development

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that's housed many more people. But so that's often the
trade off between keeping historic buildings, whether you consider it
oracle not, and that lost versus the potential to build more.
And in the case of Gray's Avenue, sadly they've replaced
something that was of significance with something of greater benefit. Probably,

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but there's no reason to destroy everything. You know, we
don't want to destroy the city to save it.

Speaker 3 (53:22):
No fair enough, Ken, and thank you very much. I
do appreciate your time and appreciate your expertise as well.
That's Kevin ken Davis, former Coying a Order Principal architect,
also former teacher at Vitry University School of Architecture.

Speaker 1 (53:33):
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Speaker 3 (53:38):
On the huddle with me this evening. Alli Jones of
Red pr and Tim Wilson of the Maximumsitu'd hire you too.
H m hi Heather, Hello Ali. Now have you seen
that building? And on a scale of one to hideous,
where do you see it?

Speaker 21 (53:51):
I give it headeous?

Speaker 17 (53:53):
Yeah.

Speaker 21 (53:54):
But look, I don't think I agree with Ken. I
don't think you can be destroying the buildings because they
don't look the way you want them to look. We
know that in christ Church, you know it was a
different situation with the earthquakes, but the then Minister for
Canterbury Recovery, Jerry Brownley, wanted to destroy or get rid
of a whole lot of these types of buildings. He
famously called them old dungs and using his extraordinary powers

(54:16):
managed to remove them. So and I heard what Ken
said there, and I do think the trade off is key.
And when you look at what's happening with our cathedral
at the moment, we've been sitting around and talking about
that for ten years and nothing's happened. This building has
sat there for so long, Ben and I saw cost
a huge amount of money. The space is needed, and
it needs to be designed, you know, to more modern

(54:37):
standards for student accommodation. I think the trade off is
a good one.

Speaker 9 (54:41):
And what do you think, Tim, Well, I've got I
actually share of you with BILLI and Ken, But for
I've got to say, can we roll take back? Like
ugly isn't beautiful? Ugly is horrid? All right, let's just
agree on that. So let's roll that back. I say
we leave him there as a reminder of how lame.
Now they were built in nineteen fifty nine, but that's

(55:02):
basically the sixties. Their tedious rectangular asbestos in prison cells
dressed up as brutalism, free love and fate call Some
decades were actually lamer than others. If you forget history,
you're doomed to repeat it. Leave the tombstones aloft I feel.

Speaker 3 (55:17):
Like you're being deeply unfair to the sixties because the
sixties had some really cool things going on.

Speaker 9 (55:23):
No, just suck no, But I think you know what
the problem is here too. The problem is we're actually
so desperate for heritage. We'll say, oh, look at this.
You know the city council, the Waling City Council last
year tried to classify a mid century oil tank as heritage.
I mean, we've got to find some better heritage.

Speaker 3 (55:44):
Make an excellent point now, Allie, I'm not offended by
the swearing that happened happened today in the Select Committee
because a couple of reasons. I think number one, it
wasn't of the sea bomb level, and number two, it
was just swearing out loud and wasn't describing somebody.

Speaker 21 (55:58):
What do you think, well, was it even out loud?
This struck me as being like being back in high school.
It's the biggest laugh I've had all day. You know,
you've got duncan web.

Speaker 5 (56:09):
But yeah, can you imagine it?

Speaker 15 (56:10):
Or where?

Speaker 21 (56:10):
What did you just say?

Speaker 8 (56:12):
No?

Speaker 21 (56:12):
No, go on, tell us all say it again. You know,
it's like picking the note up and making them read
it out. So that was the first thing I thought of.
It sounded like a game. I mean, Seymour even smirked
when he got told about this. I heard that he
thought it was quite funny. I had said both those
things over and over again in meetings, accompanied sometimes by
eye rolling. So I'm not saying that it's actually a
good thing to do. But come on, no one heard it.

(56:35):
Didn't someone tell on them? Wouldn't someone tell on Deba Husky?

Speaker 3 (56:38):
Yes, Debora Russell got told on. This isn't I mean?

Speaker 8 (56:40):
And this?

Speaker 3 (56:41):
I want your take on this. You're you're a very
good conservative, very good Christian, so tell me what you think.

Speaker 9 (56:49):
I'm actually a very poor Catholic. But then so are
a lot of us. I actually, you know, I've got
the controversial view that adulthood is about self control. We
don't value in continence at one end at the body,
why should we value it at the other end of
the body? And can I just say we had a problem.
I think we should introduce a swear jar for Parliament
at NK every time you get caught. You can actually

(57:11):
use that money to buy heritage buildings, rather than designate
that the heritage buildings and prevent other people from using them.
Problem solved.

Speaker 21 (57:18):
You're full of it today, you are it?

Speaker 3 (57:21):
Oh he's just he's you know what, he's at a
quiet day. He's been sitting there thinking what can I
say to wind people up?

Speaker 4 (57:27):
No?

Speaker 6 (57:28):
Not I do.

Speaker 9 (57:29):
I mean I actually I used to be an enthusiastic swearer,
and once I stopped, the foul taste left my mouth.
I encourage.

Speaker 3 (57:36):
I would listen to this.

Speaker 21 (57:37):
Honestly, bring me a bucket.

Speaker 9 (57:41):
I've got to actually, you know what, there's a bucket
of heritage building.

Speaker 15 (57:47):
During a role.

Speaker 3 (57:47):
Okay, stop, we'll take a break just to get them
to calm down for a minute. Then we'll come back.
Quarter two.

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The huddle, got Alie Jones and Tim Wilson. Tim, now,
how weird do you think this plan is? That act
has to make it easy for bosses to fire staff
who earned one hundred and eighty thousand dollars plus.

Speaker 9 (58:10):
Yeah, look, I was listened to what you said earlier.
In terms of one hundred and eighty thousands, not that much,
but the average the average wage in New Zealands is
seventy three K seventy six in orphan, which is what
you'd expect. So this is actually double plus. And it's
interesting the way it's been presented because it's like workers'
rights being impinged. But I wonder if you're one hundred

(58:31):
and eighty K whether you're still a worker. I don't
think Marks or Lenin would have said that it's happened
in Australia and.

Speaker 3 (58:38):
Where it leads to huge amounts of litigation.

Speaker 9 (58:41):
Well, an important a key we employment lawyer who's crossed
a guy called Salmon. SALMONI says that it allows employers
and employees to have more frank conversations. And look, if
you're on higher, higher pay, you should be subject to
higher standards. And if it gives gives some flexibility for
young people to step up, then I'm all for it.

Speaker 3 (58:59):
Oh wow, that's not what I know all.

Speaker 21 (59:03):
I totally disagree. If anything has got me wound up today.

Speaker 15 (59:07):
This is it.

Speaker 21 (59:08):
Laws are there for a reason. I don't know why
we're becoming fixated on what people earn here as a reason.

Speaker 3 (59:15):
To apply laws.

Speaker 21 (59:16):
I mean, there's no reason why people treated badly where
a personal grievance or PG would be successful, should be
precluded from seeking justice and taking out a PG just
because of what they earn. I'm absolutely gobsmacked by this.

Speaker 5 (59:30):
What's going to be next.

Speaker 21 (59:31):
We're going to put laws in place depending on what
color you hair and eyes are as well the money
and what you earn has got nothing to do with
people being treated badly, or rather their desire and the
law wanting them to be treated fairly.

Speaker 3 (59:45):
How do you respond?

Speaker 9 (59:47):
Yeah, look, you do make a fair point, Ellie, and
I agree people should be treated fairly at all points.
But I do think that salary is something that does
define in a sense the role and I think that
the possibility of flexibility and if it's inhibiting workplace culture,
and there's a suggestion that it's provoked more open conversations

(01:00:10):
in Australia between employers and employees.

Speaker 3 (01:00:12):
What could the conversations be? Would they be your fire? Yeah,
you suck your fire?

Speaker 9 (01:00:18):
Gone by the right, I think you can jump in.
My understanding from what the employment lawyer was saying was
that they allow you to get to deal with issues
a lot sooner. So it's not like, oh, we go
to our because it's going to end up in this
litigation and there'll.

Speaker 6 (01:00:34):
Be a PG.

Speaker 9 (01:00:35):
We actually stay in our stay in our lanes and
we don't, you know, we legalize it in some way.

Speaker 21 (01:00:40):
So I've got an example term if I can jump
in of someone who was earning over two hundred K
Australian treated appallingly in her workplace, had been there for
twelve years. And I know this is a one off example,
but she was treated so badly that when she did leave,
it was counted as constructive dismissal. She's now on an insurance.
That've got an insurance there where you can continue to

(01:01:01):
be paid if the employer is found to be to
be in breach of the rules and you can't return
to work. Now, she wouldn't get absolutely nothing if that
had happened under these rules. And I go back to
that point again that if someone is being treated badly,
if the employer is breaching the law, then regardless of
what you're earning, you should have the protection of those laws.

(01:01:22):
Communication is there regardless of the law, and maybe the
workplace culture needs looking at, not the employment law. I'm
godsmacked by some of this discussion.

Speaker 3 (01:01:31):
So I'll tell you what the common theme here may
well be. I mean, remember this is a this is
law ten that is designed to protect to some extent
the employee from bad bosses. Right, it doesn't matter what
you're getting, your boss can still suck be a bad boss.

Speaker 9 (01:01:46):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I look, I completely get that.

Speaker 3 (01:01:49):
You are you starting to change your mind just to
weep it?

Speaker 9 (01:01:52):
I think I need to see I need to see
what the legislation actually looks like.

Speaker 3 (01:01:57):
Oh yes, it's the retreat uto. I need to read
the legislation.

Speaker 6 (01:02:01):
I'm on you.

Speaker 9 (01:02:03):
I need to actually read the footnotes before I can
form again.

Speaker 6 (01:02:06):
I'll tell you what. I'll tell you what.

Speaker 3 (01:02:07):
Tim, stay tuned because after six we're going to talk
to Jennifer Mills, whos an employment lawyer, and maybe she'll change,
maybe you get some information from her. I appreciate both
of you coming on this evening. Thank you very much,
Ellie Jones and Tim Wilson. Our huddle. It's eight away
from six.

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Speaker 3 (01:02:29):
Heather. The christ Church town Hall is brutalist, as is
the Poolucker James Height Building and thank you. I've gone
to verify what Anne had to say, and in fact, yes,
the christ Church town Hall is hideous and the pool
Wucker James Height building is just as ugly. So fortunately,
fortunately Ken was incorrect earlier that we haven't Now we're
not on the path to bowling every single example of

(01:02:51):
brutalism in the country. If you want to go clap
your eyes on some brutalism, just head down to christ
Church and feast your eyes on it. And look, they're
not as bad as the Gordon Elson Flats, to be
fair to the Christchurch town Hall, to be fair. Five
away from six the Burning New World, the boss of
food Stuffs, Chris Quinn, is just finally how that press
conference has been quite delayed. He says they haven't yet

(01:03:13):
been able to gauge the extent of the damage.

Speaker 11 (01:03:15):
It's a significant event. There's a lot we don't know
yet about the future, but we're just so glad right
now people are safe. As the next day's unfold will
be a lot clear about what happens from here. But
job one right now is making sure that our team
are looked after. Look, it seems like it's been a
pretty significant event based on watching it unfold during the
day and the fact that it took several hours, but

(01:03:35):
we don't have any accurate assessment at this point. We've
got to wait for it to be safe so that
we can get engineers in and start to work that out.

Speaker 3 (01:03:41):
Now, if you've seen any of the photographs or any
of the video of the fire and see all the
smoke blowing out and all the water going in, it'll
be no surprise to you whatsoever that pretty much none
of the food is going to be saved now.

Speaker 11 (01:03:51):
Obviously a lot of water, a lot of smoke, a
lot of cartingents have gone through the building. So we
would only do anything with the food in terms of
getting it out and people if it was in any
way safe, just have to do a lot of assessment
and will take no risk about that.

Speaker 3 (01:04:05):
Yeah, anyway, best of luck to them, because it sounds
like it's going to be a job maybe for the
remainder of the evening to just keep that fire down. Listen,
Winston Peters may today have shed some light on why
it is that Donald Trump wants to add Pacific countries
like Tonga and Tuvalu and Vanauatu and so on to
the list of banned countries. Just the example of Tuvaru,
right because everybody's like, why they haven't done anything wrong. Well,

(01:04:26):
maybe they have, he said, just on the example of Tuvalu.
Tuvalu has been selling passports. Now he describes that as
a reasonably innocent decision made in Tavaru that has now
led to the concerns in the United States when it
comes to security. So there seems to be some reason
at least for a decision that appears to have just
come out of the blue. Look Jennifer Mills, employment lawyer,

(01:04:46):
it's going to talk us through what she makes of
these changes to you know, the dismissal I suppose of
people who earn more than one hundred and eighty thousand
dollars a year. She's with us straight after the news
and after half past six. We're going to China because
it sounds like we may be in a little bit
of trouble with China because we went to India first
and not China when the new government came in. So
we'll get you the details on that shortly. News talks ab.

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are that he went to India first. Seven past six Now,
new changes to the Employment Relations Act have been announced
to Parliament today and it includes employees earning over one

(01:05:52):
hundred and eighty thousand dollars losing their right to file
a personal grievance for unjustified dismissal. Now to took us
through this, we have employment specialist Jennifer Mills from Jennifer
Mills and Associates. Jennifer, Hello, Hi, Heather. What has caused them?
Why do we need that particular change?

Speaker 22 (01:06:10):
Well, I think that this proposed change in their amendment
bill is arbitrary, identifying a line in the sand with
somebody who's earning one hundred and eighty thousand to remove
their protections under the dismissal suite of dismissal mechanisms under
the Act is strange. I would have thought that all

(01:06:31):
employees would have the right to access these grievance protections.
What's worse is that somebody who earns over one hundred
and eighty thousand doesn't have a right to have any
information about the decision to terminate their employment, and they
don't even have an opportunity to respond to a proposal

(01:06:53):
to terminate their employment. It seems harsh to me. And
what it'll end up meaning is that people will be
preparing different types of claims. They'll have breach of contract claims,
breach of statutory duty claims and discrimination claims. So there'll
just be a backdoorway for these people to have protections
against unfair treatment.

Speaker 3 (01:07:14):
The experience in Australia, apparently because they've already done this,
the experience in Australia has been that litigation has increased.
So you would expect the same thing to happen here.

Speaker 22 (01:07:22):
Yeah, absolutely right. This is based on the Australian model law.
And my colleagues in Australia tell me that the pressure
release or the pressure valve if you like, is through
discrimination claims, and I would expect that those are the
sorts of claims that will be drafting. We've most recently
seen an increase in the awards for discrimination claims out

(01:07:47):
of the Human Rights Tribunal. In any event, so perhaps
it'll be an opportunity for those senior employees to have
greater claims, to be able to file proceedings and the
separate jurisdic.

Speaker 3 (01:08:00):
It sounds like I asked the Minister's office today. This
is Brook Vanvelden's office. You know why they're doing it.
They say the change will help provide business confidence in hiring.
It will, and it's hard to know whether what they
mean by that is because they will take chances on
younger people because they know they can just get rid
of them, or whether it is about actually firing the
older guys and bringing the younger people up through the rungs.

(01:08:20):
What do you think is going on?

Speaker 22 (01:08:24):
I suspect it will be the younger folks won't be
starting on one hundred and eighty thousand. I suspect it'll
be the more senior folks have been in the role
or in the organization for longer, and it will certainly
increase turn and turnover.

Speaker 5 (01:08:40):
And it's because the.

Speaker 22 (01:08:41):
Economy is in a dire situation. In any event, you
wouldn't want to be as an employee. You wouldn't want
to have your role at risk. It almost feels like
employment at will. And that's not our history that you know.
We don't come from that place. We're not based on
the UI, and I believe that we need these protections

(01:09:03):
for all employees. The good news, though, is that these
employees can negotiate with their employers to include the unjustified
unjustified dismissal protections should they want them.

Speaker 3 (01:09:14):
Well, but that's only people who enter employment contracts after this, right.
Anybody who's already an employment contracts slightly stuff, doren't they?

Speaker 22 (01:09:21):
Well, no, you can still negotiate. There's a twelve months
transition period for those who already have employment agreements, but
they can still negotiate to retain those protections. And I
would have thought those are the employees who are more
likely to be able to negotiate retaining those protections.

Speaker 3 (01:09:38):
Hey can ask you, Jennifer, what do you make of
the thirty day change?

Speaker 22 (01:09:44):
The removal of the thirty day Well, that's going to
have their unions up and arms. So that'll mean obviously
that employees whose work is covered by the collective will
no longer be covered by the collective terms on an
individual basis.

Speaker 9 (01:09:57):
For the first thirty days.

Speaker 22 (01:09:59):
It's given the unions the ability to negotiate directly with
those folks, and it has historically given the unions a
leg up. Now there's a swing and the balance of power,
it will give employers more ability to have those employees
remain on individual employment agreements. It will be more difficult

(01:10:21):
for the unions to garner support for the union and
increase union membership. So I would expect over time that
we would see a decrease in union membership with this
particular change. I imagine the unions will be very, very
unhappy with this proposed change.

Speaker 3 (01:10:38):
Yeah, you're probably right, Jennifer, so good to talk to you.
Thank you so much. Jennifer Mills, employment specialist A Jennifer
Mills and Associates on the thirty day change. Basically, what
happens is that when a new employee starts for the
first thirty days, they're automatically classified as union members under
the collective agreements. So taking them out of that, that's
the change that would happen. That's what's going to lead
to possibly less union membership. Hither the one hundred and

(01:11:00):
eighty thousand dollar things sounds like a green policy bang
on Greene's hate people who own earn over one hundred
and eighty thousand dollars. Evidently so does the ACT Party.
Now I have managed to come I think I figured
out at least a couple of arguments for why the
ACT Party would want to do this. Nick Mowbray, who
runs Zuru, who is also one of Act's biggest donors,

(01:11:23):
wrote an editorial for The Herald in December last year,
and he outlined six different arguments for why you'd want
to do it. Number one is that senior leaders and
specialists earning over one hundred and eighty thousand dollars are
in roles that significantly shape a company's success. So you
with money like that, with that kind of an income,
you expect. This is basically what Tim was arguing before.
You have expectations of high performance and so you know

(01:11:46):
you can basically if they're not performing well out they
go quickly because they are so influential. Argument number two
is that the current rigid employment law can stall necessary
leadership changes, especially in fast moving industries. So basically then
you're able to, you know, get rid of them, get
the young ones in and you can go and read
all six of his arguments if you want to. I
don't buy any of this. I think it's completely bizarre.

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Speaker 3 (01:12:29):
You know how Donald Trump loves a prop. Well, he
and Kiir Starmer have signed the UK US trade deal
and then of course they went outside and he couldn't
just talk about it. He had to take the prop
out with him. So we opened the little thing, a
little portfolio, and all the papers fell on the ground
and Kier had to pick them up. So but hey,
at least they signed them. Andder Brady's going to talk
us through it when he's with us before the end

(01:12:50):
of this program. Seventeen past six. Now food prices are
up four point four percent in the year to May.
Brad Olson is Informetric's principal economist and with US now Hey, Brad,
good evening. So largely driven by dairy, meat, poultry and fish.

Speaker 7 (01:13:04):
Yes, that's right. I mean you've seen those continued cost pressures.

Speaker 14 (01:13:07):
You look at the likes of butter up something like
fifty two percent over the last year. Again, your beef prices,
your other dairy have all gone up. But that four
point four percent food price inflation over the last year,
that is the fastest now since the end of twenty
twenty three. It's not back to the peak that it was,
but it is starting to make us feel a little
bit more uncomfortable given all of those price changes that

(01:13:30):
have come through. What is clear looking at some of
the numbers is that there's a few very specific items
like we've just highlighted that are increasing and they're making
things uncomfortable across the wider shop that people are probably doing.
There's not quite as much intensity, but there are just
some really quite thorny issues coming through that is prompting
people to ask questions of is their further inflationary pressure

(01:13:52):
to come.

Speaker 7 (01:13:53):
We thought we'd got rid of it, but perhaps not.

Speaker 3 (01:13:56):
Do you worry about them? I mean, this is obviously
higher than the bad and higher than what we're seeing
across the economies. Are you worried about this a little bit?

Speaker 14 (01:14:06):
And I think it's not just the food prices either.
You look at the likes of energy costs that are
coming forward. Are the likes of electricity up I think
eight point seven percent odd roughly over the last year,
Gas prices for households up a well around fifteen percent
over the last year. All of those become very uncomfortable
and they're pretty vital costs. You can't choose not to

(01:14:26):
pay them. And so the fact that you've got all
of that, the fact that in the last week you've
seen with this Israel Iran conflict, you know, oil prices
are spiking. That's probably going to come through and hit
petrol prices in New Zealand. The fact that you know
the Reserve Bank last time they met, someone on the
committee was a holdout and took it to a vote
and said, I don't want to change interest rates because
I'm a bit worried about what's coming forward. All of

(01:14:48):
that suggests that again we're just in the sort of
uneasy position where the economy doesn't feel like it's doing well,
and so on that basis, you'd think that there's further
interest rate cuts to come, but inflationary pressure it's still
too hot, looking like it's reaccelerating still. And if that's
the case, that makes that interest rate conversation quite difficult.

Speaker 3 (01:15:07):
Well, I would say bets are on a pause yet.

Speaker 14 (01:15:10):
At the moment, I think increasingly likely that you see
a pause in July, and it may well be an
extended pause. They might not cut again. I don't think
we can make that call definitively yet, but even financial
markets have pulled back their expectations. At the end of
last week there was only roughly I think a sixteen
percent chance of a further interest rate cut in July.

(01:15:31):
So everyone is sort of taking a breath and trying
to assess what all of this means.

Speaker 3 (01:15:34):
Now, do you want to explain to us this extremely
early appearance at the Gates of Field days.

Speaker 14 (01:15:41):
I heard that I was sort of taken to task
over the last week, although you said some lovely things
about me later that evening. Can't you remember your answer
was sort of giving me all sort of platitudes, which was.

Speaker 3 (01:15:53):
We think, we think you are the life of the party.
I'm glad. I'm glad that other people think of the
life of the party as a judge. Do you do
a good job.

Speaker 14 (01:16:03):
Well, I'd like to think so. I mean, I've done
my training and similar But I mean, look, turning to
the field Day's piece, I had some meetings early on
in the morning. Field days traffic is absolutely manic, and
I thought, look, if I want to get there and
actually have a you know, be able to get through
my meetings, I'll show.

Speaker 3 (01:16:18):
Up really early.

Speaker 14 (01:16:18):
I'll get an early park, I'll head inside, get a coffee,
get set up for the six thirty. Oh, I think,
to be honest, I parked up at about five point
fifty eight am.

Speaker 7 (01:16:27):
I was there real early.

Speaker 14 (01:16:29):
Hey, you don't drink a I don't. I mean, I
look on an economist. So have you seen the price
of the stuff?

Speaker 6 (01:16:34):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:16:35):
Oh, good from you, Brad.

Speaker 6 (01:16:36):
I love it.

Speaker 3 (01:16:37):
You live by your principles, Brad, No, you are you.
I don't know how you have all the energy, but
now I figured it out, Brad Olson. Thank you Infimetrics
principal economists. He doesn't drink, so he doesn't have a hangover,
he doesn't have the sluggish feeling in the morning, he
doesn't have all of that time that's just taken up
with being, you know, off his face. So he's got
productive hours. He is productivity in the community, in the economy.

(01:16:59):
Brad Olson, who is not only an economist but also
the guy who turns up at everybody's parties and also
a JP in his free time. This is what you
needed to cut the booze. People, cut the boos and
you could be like Brad.

Speaker 1 (01:17:10):
Six twenty one, The Rural Report with MSD Animal Health
home of Selvex and plus b ends it's only salmonella vaccine.

Speaker 3 (01:17:19):
Just quickly updating you on Israel. The Israel Defense Force
says Iran has launched a fresh wave of missiles at Israel.
The BBC reporters in Jerusalem and in Tel Aviva reporting
booms and explosions and sirens are sounding off across Israel,
warning residents to take shelter. Will keep you posted throughout
the evening on that six twenty four. Jamie McKay, Host
of the Country, Hey Jamie.

Speaker 8 (01:17:38):
Well, the Israel Iran conflict's not the big story of
the day. It's my after shape giving you migraines. I've
been getting texts from strange women and high places in
agriculture wondering about my art because.

Speaker 3 (01:17:53):
Because I said I need to know what, Because what
I need to do is I'm getting I'll get migraines
from perfume.

Speaker 4 (01:17:59):
I got it.

Speaker 3 (01:17:59):
I know I got it from yours, and I know
I got it from mine. So what I need to
put in is my ingredients. Listened to chat GPT and
yours into chat GPT and see what the same same
things are that caused the migrant But you can't remember
what the perfume was.

Speaker 8 (01:18:12):
You know, good well no when you texted me last night.
This has got nothing to do with farming, but it's
obviously one of the great mysteries of the world. I
thought i'd toss that up, but I found it at
work in my office. Obviously it was bad.

Speaker 6 (01:18:24):
What was there that was in the B team?

Speaker 8 (01:18:26):
It was a Marnie I remember going through trying to
get my normal Hugo boss man works to treat that
one either, I can tell you, and they didn't have any,
so I bought in the Marne. And then of course
you've shamed me and throwing it away.

Speaker 3 (01:18:40):
Well, and you didn't even manage to follow through on that.
What a maney was it? Because you know they do
more than one.

Speaker 8 (01:18:45):
A yeah, I will, I will search at my office
tomorrow and send you a picture.

Speaker 3 (01:18:50):
Of your wonderful Thank you, Jamie Jesus. This is such
a long drawn out process. It's been a witnessed by
so many people. We'll get to the bottom of it now.
Farmers obviously feeling completely beat, aren't they.

Speaker 6 (01:19:01):
Yeah.

Speaker 8 (01:19:02):
Rabobank Farmer Confidence Survey, the Q two one came out
today and it was good news, although just a word
of warning. We've got a GDT auction tonight, second of
the new farming season futures market picking down four percent
for the powder's fatter weeed un less. My guy says
maybe down two or three, So just some downside risk

(01:19:23):
with that dairy pal. But this survey is obviously retrospective,
so it's found that farmer confidence in the broader agri
economy was unchanged at a net positive reading of plus
forty four along with the last quarterly report, the first
one this year. That's the highest or the second highest
equal net reading across the past decade, only surpassed by

(01:19:47):
quarter two of twenty seventeen. And if you want trying
to figure out what happened in quarter three and four
of twenty seventeen, you might remember Winston chose to sin
to just thought i'd throw that in there. So the
first survey found forty eight percent of farmers were expecting
the agri economy to improve. Among farmers with a positive outlook, unsurprisingly,

(01:20:09):
commodity prices with the absolute main reason driving optimism sixty
two percent. Improved marketing sixteen that's the likes of Fonterra
and Zespriy doing good work, and of course overseas markets
and economies at fourteen percent. That number might be drifting
off for we. But interestingly, just finally, growers were markedly

(01:20:29):
this is you know, the fruit growers and the grain
growers were markedly more positive about their prospects than they
were in the last quarter. Because the sheep and beef
and dairy farmers have been pretty positive this year. The
growers had had a tough time, but obviously were coming
off the back of really good Kiwi fruit and pretty
good apple prices.

Speaker 9 (01:20:49):
So there you go.

Speaker 8 (01:20:50):
That is everything you ever wanted to know about after
shave apples and Kiwi fruit and dairy beef and lamb
in one go.

Speaker 6 (01:20:58):
Look, you're not paying me enough.

Speaker 3 (01:21:00):
Award to your text with the picture tomorrow, Thank you Jamie,
as always Jamie McKay, Host to the Country. Right, We're
off to China to see how much trouble we're in
as a country because we went to India first and
not China. Our parents and Chinese are pretty upset about that.
Get the details headlines next.

Speaker 4 (01:21:17):
D crunching the numbers and getting the results.

Speaker 1 (01:21:23):
It's heathered Duplessy Ellen with the Business Hour and mass
insurance and investments, Grow your Wealth, Protect your future news
talks that'd.

Speaker 3 (01:21:32):
Be Inder Bradies with us out of the UK and
ten minutes time. Also, iag the insurance guys have done
a really interesting survey. This is if you are thinking
about buying a beach house right next to the beach,
you're probably gonna want to hear this because I think

(01:21:53):
there's some warning signs in this. I'll get you across
that shortly twenty four away from seven now, the Prime
minister's on his way to China this Trade Deller legation
as we speak. He's going to meet with President Chijingping
on Friday. David Mahn is the chief executive of man
China Investment Management, currently in Beijing and with us. Now, Hey, David, hi, Heather,
I have written. I've read rather the paper that you've written,

(01:22:15):
and it doesn't sound like you think the Chinese are
going to be very impressed with this delegation. What are
we doing wrong here?

Speaker 20 (01:22:22):
The delegation is coming very late in the Prime Minister's tenure,
and there's an emphasis that he was in India before
with the largest trade delegation in New Zealand's history. He's
bringing an important but very modest one to China. So
and I think he's only thirty hours on the ground,
so it's almost perfunctory and sends a message to China

(01:22:44):
that although they're our largest trading partner in a sense,
they don't matter so much to us and we can't
afford to do that.

Speaker 3 (01:22:53):
Is this US perhaps overthinking this or is this already
how they feel?

Speaker 20 (01:22:59):
Well, I'm I've lived in Beijing for forty years and
although I don't have high level contacts, I know people
that work in the system and relate to getting with Oceania.
And quite clearly the Chinese government has watched this New
Zealand government announce its intentions to draw closer to America
form alliances with America after forty years of being a

(01:23:22):
non allied country. And that means really working to contain
China or join war games against China. So we can't
have both if we want to be close to America
and under its wing, it's one thing or trade freely
with all As a non allied country that makes its
own choices, we need to be careful of that. So
now I don't think Beijing's happy at all.

Speaker 3 (01:23:43):
Okay, So what are they going to do then to
express their unhappiness.

Speaker 20 (01:23:49):
Well, it's a hospitable culture and the red carpets that
we rolled out, and there'll be good speeches, and I'm
sure that the Prime Minister will be treated with courtesy,
and I'm sure the whole delegation will have a good run.
I think it's possible that there will be messages of concern.
I don't know that, and we probably won't know because

(01:24:09):
in those meetings there are very few people. But it's
something which our foreign affairs culture and business as a
hearing in China that China is worried about this country
that has a small country, but one that has been
its own person in a sovereign sense for so long,

(01:24:31):
and China trusted and relied on We were the first
to have a free trade agreement with China is beginning
to go into this camp where it's like culture wars,
where you're dealing with a world where the post colonial powers,
governments run by I suppose Western anglophone white people, want

(01:24:52):
to retain some kind of primacy. And this is an
old idea, one that really hasn't characterized our politics for many,
many decks. So they look at this and I think
they're perplexed. But the legacy is so good. My instinct
and from what I'm hearing, is that they'll wait for
the next election and see what that new government says

(01:25:13):
and what kind of stance they'll take.

Speaker 3 (01:25:15):
Okay, So no tinkering with the FTA or anything kind
of punishment at the moment, I.

Speaker 20 (01:25:20):
Don't think so. I think also China's got so much
on its hands with countries that are far more important
than that. We're probably not on the radar, which has
been to our benefit.

Speaker 4 (01:25:30):
David.

Speaker 3 (01:25:31):
Do you think that we're doing the wrong thing though,
because I mean, we have been told for a very
long time we need to diversify away from China and
that will be diversifying towards India, and India need to
be formed over and that is what we've done, is
that the wrong thing to do to prioritize India over China.
Do you think for the broadery New Zealand economy.

Speaker 20 (01:25:53):
Not at all. I think we go back to John
Keyes administration. He made considerable efforts towards India trying to
get the basis of a free trade agreement. And I
think when we look at the growth of our trade,
of course we should diversify. A prudent company does that,
so a country should. And India is far more complex
than China. India has far more internal barriers to trade

(01:26:17):
with foreign countries than China, but it is a huge economy,
it's growing. We should be I think, giving more attention
to Indonesia. There's more work to be done in Vietnam
as well. But it has been a narrative about ten
years now. And this is a Wellington thing. This is
on a national labor thing that we should be doing

(01:26:37):
less with China because China's bad and I think a
lot of our officials are more comfortable going to Washington, Canberra, London,
Brussels than Hanoi, Beijing, Manila. So this is a mindset
that we need to get past. We're an Asia Pacific economy,
and I think China's important. We should expand here and

(01:26:59):
yet diversify elsewhere where we can.

Speaker 3 (01:27:02):
It's good to talk to you, David. I really appreciate
it this, David marn, chief executive of man China Investment Management.
Together do for ce Ellen right, if you've got yourself
a house by the beach, or you're thinking more importantly,
if you're thinking of getting a house by the beach,
here's a heads up. Okay. So IOG does an annual
climate survey and for the first time they've asked the

(01:27:22):
public whether it would be acceptable to deny insurance cover
for higher risk homes, and the majority of people said yes,
it would be okay to say now we're not gonna
We're not gonna cover you. Sixty seven percent said yes,
eleven percent said disagree now immediately because the arset for
the first time, I feel like they're testing the waters.
They say, no, no, it's not a reflection of an

(01:27:44):
intention to start with drawing insurance from owners of riskier homes.
But I think that you could, and they say, but
it is. It is deepening the risk based pricing, so
you know if you're gonna if you're gonna buy a
place next to the house, next to the sea, you
are gonna have to pay a bit more. And I
think you should read the tea leaves on this and
maybe the most extreme so you're going to pay more.
Most extremers you don't get cover. Maybe we'll see how

(01:28:06):
it goes back. I think you should just start thinking
about this by the looks of things. They also asked
if they can withdraw existing cover. Fifty three percent of
people say yep, absolutely fine. Twenty two percent of people disagree. Basically,
there is a feeling that people There is still a
strong feeling amongst people, according to IAG that insurers need
to treat their existing customers more favorably than new customers.

(01:28:29):
Seventy eight percent of people think that you have a
right to be insured. Sixty seven percent of people think
the government should step in when insurance becomes unaffordable and
like basically be your you know, maturer of last resort.
Fifty five percent agree that the government should step in
when insurers pull back from ensuring higher risk locations. Sixty
percent agree that insurers should raise premiums for those homes
and businesses that face more risk. Seventy one percent said

(01:28:52):
that they accepted they would have to pay more for
their insurance if they live in a high risk location,
which I think is a bit of a welcome attitude
shift because it was only forty one percent in twenty
nineteen who thought that they should pay more. Up to
seventy one percent. Now this is reality setting. In Ninety
percent of people who answered the survey expected more extreme storms,

(01:29:12):
eighty nine percent saw more frequent and intense flooding, and
twenty percent said they had used their knowledge of climate
hazards to help decide where they lived. I would have
hoped that number would be higher because I'm assuming it
doesn't catch the obvious stuff, like you understand the climate. Therefore,
you're not going to buy a house right next to
the beach if the thing is, if there's constantly storms
at that particular beach, but who knows, who knows? Anyway,

(01:29:35):
if you think about buying that beach house, just think
about that, because it's going to get very expensive to
ensure it's sixteen away from seven.

Speaker 4 (01:29:40):
Whether it's macro microbe or just plain economics.

Speaker 1 (01:29:44):
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and who Theirs Insurance and investments, grow your wealth, protect
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Speaker 3 (01:29:52):
The use dogs d me interesting here, How does the
survey of the uninformed public possibly inform risk assessment? Will Harvey?
Very good question, but is it not what people are tolerate?
That would be that would be an indication of what
IAG is able to do without us spitting the dummy,
don't you think? Thirteen away from seven into Brady, UK correspondent, Hey, Inda.

Speaker 7 (01:30:11):
Hey Hea, they're good to speak to you again.

Speaker 3 (01:30:12):
Okay, so we've signed the deal. We're all happy.

Speaker 7 (01:30:15):
Trade deal done. Yes, so Keir Starmer on the face
of it is very happy. Indeed, so he has got
this over the line. The UK becomes the first country
since Trump announced his tariff war and everybody else, the
UK is the first country to sign a deal get
it over the line. And what it means is ultimately
jobs being saved in UK car manufacturing. So we know

(01:30:37):
Trump bailed out with the G seven. He said he
had to go deal with big stuff. This is pretty
big for the UK. So what it means is that
there will only be a ten percent tariff on vehicles
from the UK heading to the United States when the
alternative was twenty five percent. So right now you would
say UK car manufacturing has certainly stolen a march on France,

(01:31:00):
Italy and Germany.

Speaker 3 (01:31:01):
Yeah, totally. Hey, I see the Princess of Wales turned
up at the Gata Dyce parade.

Speaker 7 (01:31:06):
Yeah, this is a lovely positive story for Kate actually,
so she hasn't been there for two years. William by
her side. She looked radiant. It was in Windsor, and
this is like centuries old tradition. There was an annual
procession down the main street, just for a short little
distance but the public can get to see the royal family.
Kate was there and obviously two years ago she was

(01:31:30):
in the beginnings of everything with the cancer treatment. It's
two years since she was last there, so she's been
through Helen back. She looks fantastic. And one side note yesterday,
while she was being cheered by the public, the photographer's
clocked Prince Andrew being driven very discreetly in through a
side door for the lunch afterwards. So he has no

(01:31:51):
public role anymore, but there was a free lunch going
so Andrew was there of course.

Speaker 3 (01:31:55):
I mean he could surely afford a lunche at home.

Speaker 7 (01:31:59):
He wants to be part of the pump and the
pageant track. Look, you're dealing with a guy who has
not put a foot right since the Falklands War forty
three years ago. So like, you know, he's utterly immovable
to what the public think about him. But it says
a lot that he's not able to walk down the
main street in his own country.

Speaker 3 (01:32:17):
How did you boil in the tube today?

Speaker 7 (01:32:20):
Absolutely?

Speaker 6 (01:32:21):
So.

Speaker 7 (01:32:21):
We are in a heat wave here, would you believe
not by Australian or American standards? At twenty six celsias today,
it's going to hit thirty by Friday, and we're in
for at least ten days of sustained heat the tube.
You know, I was on it yesterday and would you
believe it? There was a signal failure. It was so

(01:32:42):
hot it was unbearable. And then the tannoy comes and
says this train will be stopping here because of a
signal failure, and you're like utterly marooned nine stops from
where you're meant to be going. So good old Uber
rescued me. But at some stage you just think how
hard is it to put air cone on tubes when
it's twenty six celsius above ground? It was absolutely sweltering.

Speaker 3 (01:33:05):
I mean, this is happening every summer to you guys.
Now is it time to get a pool?

Speaker 6 (01:33:11):
Do you know what?

Speaker 7 (01:33:13):
Yeah, they might have to talk to the bank manager
on that one, haven't.

Speaker 3 (01:33:17):
Yeah, I think you're going to You know, you're not
living in the gentle climate now, Hey, Enda, thank you
so much mate, look after yourself. Enda Brady, UK correspondent.
WhatsApp has broken its promise not to introduce ads, and
it is going to introduce ads. It's going to start
in the next few months. You're going to start seeing
the ads. The co founder and chief executive, the original

(01:33:38):
chief executive, had promised there would never be ads on
any WhatsApp, and he'd gone to the extent of actually
writing this on a note and then taping it to
his desk, and he basically argued that the reason they
didn't sell ads on Instagram is that when advertising is involved,
you are the product, so they're basically selling your stuff
on WhatsApp. This is that being how people are interpreting

(01:34:00):
this is that WhatsApp is no longer just a messaging app.
It is now a social media app. Now, to be
honest with you, I cannot follow that logic. I don't.
I don't understand. Has something changed ants a bit because
you use it, don't you for your your nefarious behavior?
Has something changed in WhatsApp? Is it not just sending
messages to each other?

Speaker 1 (01:34:17):
I was.

Speaker 23 (01:34:18):
I think you could make it the argument it's always
been a social media app though. Yeah, Well, in Spain
and a lot of countries like that, people use it
instead of Facebook for all their group chats and sharing
photos and stuff and the same things that we do
on social media, and a lot of developing countries as well.

Speaker 3 (01:34:31):
I thought, Okay, I still think that's really pushing the
limit of what a social media is.

Speaker 23 (01:34:35):
Well, and like my parents don't use any social media
at all, so that's where like all the holiday snaps,
whether I want to see them or not, all just
sort of get sent to me and the other members
of the family and that. Yeah, so yeah, you just
can't get it, even the tech phobic parents. You can't
get away from the.

Speaker 3 (01:34:47):
MENI okay, but he's got it anyway, So that you go.
If you thought that it was the one last place
you could retreat to without seeing an ad for a
Mediterranean cruise, you can't anymore. By the way, what we're
trying to do is Ants does not believe that complete
skeptic on this one. Yep, that your phone listens to you.
So all day I have been talking to my phone

(01:35:09):
about needing to do a Mediterranean cruise, and we're just
going to see every time I say it, I have
to lift my phone up to my mouth, so just
to make sure that gets it.

Speaker 23 (01:35:19):
So my argument is, if you've been in the same
room with anyone who's actually been on a Mediterranean cruise.

Speaker 3 (01:35:23):
I tried to pick something random, Ants that none of us.

Speaker 23 (01:35:26):
There's a lot of people who work in this building.
I'm sure at least one of them has been on
the bogs. He might have just got back for all that.

Speaker 3 (01:35:32):
That Box he's always on a Mediterranean cruise, but because
the guy's loadedges would fire him if.

Speaker 23 (01:35:38):
He's looking at it and he's like, oh, hither is
in the same building as Michael Boggs. Occasionally they're in
the other Warriors stadium. I wonder what they're talking about.

Speaker 7 (01:35:49):
Box.

Speaker 3 (01:35:49):
He's been in the same building as me for seven years.

Speaker 23 (01:35:51):
But at some point he's probably talked to you about
a cruise.

Speaker 3 (01:35:54):
So you think so you think that if I get
an ad for a Mediterranean cruise in the next like
twenty four hours, that it will be purely because Boxy
is up.

Speaker 23 (01:36:03):
Yeah, according to this big conspiracy display I have behind
me with all the writing on it. Yeah, that's exactly
what's gonna see.

Speaker 3 (01:36:08):
No, if it happens in the next twenty four hours,
it's because it's listening, and you know it's listening anyway.

Speaker 23 (01:36:11):
I refuse to accept that.

Speaker 3 (01:36:12):
Well, of course, listen to this guy seven away from seven.

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Speaker 3 (01:36:37):
I haven't got any ads just yet for that Mediterranean cruise,
but I am getting lots of Ooh, europe Travel is awesome,
and Europe Travel is awesome has popped up as an
ad on my Facebook.

Speaker 23 (01:36:49):
Okay, is that because you've been talking about a Mediterranean
cruise or is that because it knows that you travel
a lot, because the day travel you've got children, Like yeah, yeah,
you've been, you've been on whatever, just accept it. To
do you not have the in New Zealand app or
something similar on your phone and they're.

Speaker 3 (01:37:03):
Oh, she's your hard to commence. So today and today
when I arrived at work, Kesser was pulling out Kerry
Woodham and I said, she seen everyone. She's moving the goalpost.

Speaker 23 (01:37:13):
She always does.

Speaker 3 (01:37:14):
She said, Hei, that you're looking wonderful. I said, no,
I'm not. I need to lose weight because I'm fat
after having a baby, and you should try seeing me naked.
And I'm getting dresses. I'm getting dresses served fat girl
dresses served me on Facebook.

Speaker 6 (01:37:27):
So there you go.

Speaker 3 (01:37:27):
It's listening anyway.

Speaker 23 (01:37:28):
I'm not touching that what.

Speaker 3 (01:37:34):
I touched it go.

Speaker 23 (01:37:36):
I can't get no satisfaction by the Rolling Stones to
play us out tonight. Before the show absolutely fell apart
in the last ten minutes. Tim Wilson was on earlier
and trying to make it happen then talking about how
the nineteen sixties were a rubbish decade and throwing shade
at the nineteen sixties. So I thought I would play
a great song from the nineteen sixties Rolling Stones. I
can't get no satisfaction there you go.

Speaker 3 (01:37:55):
It wasn't all bad, was it. Do you think he
was born in the sixties?

Speaker 7 (01:37:59):
Could be right?

Speaker 3 (01:38:00):
Actually, yeah, a lot of people really hate the decade
that bullman. I think that might be yet anyway, because
that punished by their parents' taste, Do you know what
I mean? Anyway, good luck to me seeing if they
thank God that piece of legislation hasn't passed yet, or
I might be fired over night. Anyway, I see you tomorrow.

Speaker 14 (01:38:17):
Bye.

Speaker 1 (01:38:24):
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