Full Show Podcast: 17 November 2025

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Pressing the newsmakers to get the real story. It's Ryan
Bridge on hither dupiles Ellen Drey with one New Zealand.

Speaker 2 (00:08):
Coverage like no one else.

Speaker 3 (00:10):
New saug said, be good afternoon, six after four. Great
to have your company hither away today. I'm filling in
Coming up on the show. Chris bushop reckons he can
make cars cheaper for us to help with the environment,
food price inflation. How much Uber might have to pay
drivers after a landmark Supreme Court ruling esbestos in your
kids play sand? Doesn't sound great, does it? Plus con
bete up the boss on what to do now the

(00:31):
buyout deal is off, Ryan Bridge. These poles that keep
showing laborhead a National a sign of well, how crap
the economy is really up. Until a few weeks ago, though,
I was sort of ignoring the poles because Labour didn't
have any policy, and I thought, well, this is a
protest vote. People are pissed at National for not fixing

(00:51):
the mess that Labour left behind. The voters aren't stupid.
Voters are never stupid, and they're voting for a no
policy party as a protest, not because they'd actually vote
for them. Now, Labour has some policies, albeit three, but
they include the contentious one, the capital gains tax, and
they will love how this has played for them so far,
because so far it actually hasn't been a terrible mess.

(01:13):
So now that Labor has policies confirming they are indeed
a party of more tax and more spend, the numbers should,
in theory be turning, but they're not. The latest IPSOS
poll shows voters trust Labor more on the economy and
cost of living than National. Basically everything except foreign affairs
and law and order, and foreign affairs is Winston Peters.

(01:36):
So not great for the coalition, We're not great for National.
I should say the economy should turn around, green shoots
next year, et cetera, et cetera. How many times have
we been told that? But people just aren't feeling it yet.
So National strategy for weight and hope till November next year,
which is likely when they're going to go to the polls,
is looking riskier by the day. As for the leadership question,

(01:57):
Jacinda didn't teach us much about leadership, but we did
learn something important from her, and that is you can
switch leaders really close to an election day and not
crash your vote. In fact, you can actually increase it.
So an eleventh hour switched to Stanford or bish or
whoever will remain a live option. I think right up
until D Day.

Speaker 1 (02:17):
Bryan Bridge number text.

Speaker 3 (02:23):
It's nine minutes after four on your Monday afternoon. If
you've got kids who play with colored sand, listen up.
Seven different magic sand products have now been recalled because
it turns out they might actually contain asbestos. The products
are Kmart, Blue, Pink and Green Magic Sand. Some schools
and eces have had to close classrooms and call in

(02:44):
asbestos specialists. Ian Kaplan is MB product safety spokesperson on
the line. Ian Good afternoon, Hi Rayan, So what is this?
How dangerous is this sand product?

Speaker 4 (02:56):
Well, first of all, everyone is working through this speed
to just work out actually what the kind of the
nature and the extent of the problem is in terms
of in terms of that sort of thing. We have
treated it and we are taking a really really across
government precautious approach because obviously this product finds itself in
schools and early learning centers and kids are involved. So

(03:19):
we're not hanging about.

Speaker 3 (03:21):
So have you tested one, betch and it's come up
with a spistops or have you done multiple how many?
How many people?

Speaker 4 (03:27):
So testing is continuing. There have been what what triggered
this initially was last week in fact, when there was
an independent test in Australia on another firm, EC with
their colored sand educational colors and the company has done
a voluntary product recall for those. Testing has happened here

(03:48):
for this kmart sand and again that's come up, so
we've responded to that, but we're continuing to get testing
in process. Others are testing and we're and the supply
players Kmar and EC the earlier one, are looking across
their supply line, so they're recalling the product voluntarily. They're
absolutely complying and looking at just where they put these

(04:11):
things out where these things have been sold.

Speaker 3 (04:13):
If you have kids at home who play with the stuff,
should you be really worried about it or should you
be relaxed?

Speaker 4 (04:21):
Of course, I'm a dad. If you've got kids at home,
I completely understand that any parents or caregivers will be concerned.
What I would say is if you are concerned, and
I'm saying don't panic makes people panic, I know, But
what I would say is the potential impact of a specials.
Exposure is a long term thing. People don't need to

(04:43):
take immediate steps to manage their health if there is
any concern. What I would encourage any way, Ryan, is
for people to go to the Health New Zealand website.
They've got a massive amount of really understandable information on
this situation. In particularly If they've.

Speaker 3 (05:00):
Got that's all great, But if how likely is it
that if your kid's been playing with this, they have
been exposed to a spestos in a dangerous form, Well.

Speaker 4 (05:11):
Again, we can't we can't actually give you the answer
to that.

Speaker 3 (05:15):
Right So we just know that there is a little
bit of a spestos in the product in a testing
batch that's been done, but we don't know the concentration
on each right now.

Speaker 4 (05:23):
Absolutely, so we're looking at the whole context. We're going
and look at looking as far as we can, so
we're going out on abundance of caution. I was going
to say, Ryan, is.

Speaker 3 (05:34):
It fine enough that that's being ingested into the kid's system.
Does it matter if they eat it or is it
only if they inhale it into the lungs?

Speaker 4 (05:42):
Where we're not in a position to talk about that
yet in terms of health risks. We're still looking at
what the nature of the problem is. What I will
say if you let me finish my sentence, is that
we want people to check the Health New Zealand website
for directions on what to do, how to bag this
stuff up. It's very very clear. If people are still concerned,

(06:04):
then phoning up Health sign or going to the GP
would be the ways forward. I also want to say
that if you're a place of work, which can include
a school but it might be other places as well,
work safe are the people to talk to there, and
that the councils are getting ready to receive disposable asbestos.

(06:24):
So the process and Health New Zealand advice is to
get rid of this stuff once you've bagged it up
in the proper way and put it out through there.

Speaker 3 (06:31):
I do understand in the concerned a b.

Speaker 4 (06:34):
No, this isn't this isn't this isn't a wastepin job,
this isn't a hoover job. So the Health New Zealand
site has got it all in there. But very broadly speaking,
if it's in the tub, double bag it, put it
out the way. If it's not in the tub and
lying around on the floor. The Health New Zealand site
will talk about ways in which you can clear it up.
If there is any uncertainty over that, then having to
call him expert maybe necessary. But get people to the

(06:58):
Health New Zealand site.

Speaker 3 (07:00):
No one can throw it on the burn, double bag
it and then it's going to go somewhere. We'll look
on the Health News on a website for weir how
many houses have got this, how many products have been so,
how much is out there?

Speaker 4 (07:10):
Yeah, yeah, we're we're still working through that rhyme. We're
still looking the companies a lot. I'm not going to
speculate and give you finite numbers because that's not responsible
and it doesn't actually reflect a correct answer. What the
supplies are doing at the moment is what they do
in a standard product safety recal, which is checking their inventories,
checking their stocks, checking what other supply lines these things

(07:32):
have got into. This is a prohibited substance and it's
on the retailers once they are disclosed, they've got it
to check just where it is that they have sold it.
We're obviously broadcasting this as far and as wide as possible,
and they've dealt the first available opportunity.

Speaker 3 (07:49):
Ian, appreciate your time this afternoon. Ian kaplan from MB
time as fourteen after four by double begging and taking away.
Doesn't sound great, does it? If the kids playing in it,
you would be worried. Now the All Blacks. This is
from Colin Ryan Scott Robinson was a big mistake. We've
got to get rid of him. Blah blah. Lots of
texts like that coming in after the weekend. I spoke

(08:10):
to Mills Mollian about this this morning and he said, yeah, look,
it's not great, and you've got another year and then
you've got a World Cup and what point do you
just say, bugger it, we're pulling pin. Well, we're getting
close to that point, Mills said, not quite ready to
say it should happen now, but you kind of you've
got to make a decision, and you've got to make

(08:30):
a decision with enough time before the World Cup. We'll
talk to Jason Pines Sport. Next News Talks eb It's.

Speaker 1 (08:37):
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Speaker 3 (08:45):
Four eighteen News TALKSB. Someone says, Ryan, why kids even
playing with colored sand? It's a question I asked this
afternoon too. Why aren't they just playing with normal sand?
Apparently you don't put it in sand pits. That's what
I thought was happening. Kids are putting this in sand
pits and then playing with it. Apparently it's more like
you put glue onto a piece of paper and then
you sprinkle some of the sand like you would with glitter.

(09:06):
It's modern glitter. Okay, that's what kids are doing with it,
and it's goot asbestos in it, so be careful. Four
eighteen Sport.

Speaker 1 (09:14):
With TB multis fast, easy and more codes are eighteen
bit responsibly.

Speaker 3 (09:18):
Jason pines with us, Hey, Jason, Hey, Ryan, So what
do you reckon? Raise what we're two year point now
of his coaching tenure.

Speaker 5 (09:25):
Yeah, as are the text you're getting. The ones I
got on Weekend Sport were very measured yesterday, as you
can probably imagine, in reaction to what happened at Twickenham.
You're right, two years and they're gonna they're not gonna
let him go. They're not gonna sack them unless they
were to lose to Wales. I think we might have
a different conversation if they lost to Wales. But I
think we all need to accept that that Scott Robinson

(09:47):
has taken your Blackston and to the next World Cup.
But I think what we all need to see and
what should be asked if Robertson is what is the
plan to get us there in good shape? Because I
just don't feel as though there's been enough movement or
any improvement really from the team that he took charge
of at the start of twenty twenty four. And it's
hard to feel confident about the next Rugby World Cup

(10:09):
off the backdrop of not just yesterday, but losses to Argentina,
to South Africa and other sort of inconsistent performances, even
when the All Blacks have won test matches. So look,
the rugby public, I think is right to want to
know what the plan is, and yeah, he's got a
couple of years to sort out exactly what that is
and I guess sell it to us.

Speaker 3 (10:29):
Well and hopefully it'll turn itself around. Now Silver Ferns England,
so the one now in the series? Can they finish
it off with a wind? Do we think you think so,
wouldn't you?

Speaker 6 (10:38):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (10:38):
The crazy that this is.

Speaker 5 (10:40):
The scoorelines were identical in the first two tests, sixty
one to fifty eight to New Zealand in the first
one sixty one fifty eight to England and the second,
So it demonstrates how close these two are the rankings
for what they're worth. New Zealand a second in the world,
England a fourth. But we're playing in England, so I
guess the home advantage brings it back a little bit.

Speaker 3 (10:58):
It feels to me as though.

Speaker 5 (10:59):
This is the end of a very long and exhausting
off court year for the Silver Ferns. It would be nice,
wouldn't it to think that they could finish it on
the court with a victory. So what's that Thursday morning
up in Manchester. Let's side they can finish on a
high and going to Commonwealth Games year with a bitter momentum.

Speaker 3 (11:16):
It's funny because we've got the All Blacks and they
have one bad Test and everyone's like, oh, sack the coach.
And then in netball the coach situation obviously quite fluid,
and yet they've been doing quite well all things considered. Odd,
isn't it? Yeah? It does the coach really matter? Hey,
appreciate your time. Jason Pine from News Talks b Sport,
it is four twenty and this was from the weekend.

(11:39):
You might have seen this. Hayden Wild had an absolute
shocker and it wasn't really his fault. This was in
Dubai at the triathlon.

Speaker 7 (11:52):
Help going on.

Speaker 8 (11:55):
Or not?

Speaker 3 (11:57):
It was chaos and confusion. He ended up doing an
extra lap, completed an extra eight k's on the bike,
and finished eighth. And he'd been doing really well like
he's been on the in terms of his recent races.
He's been either one, two or three. I think actually
he's been winning them all until this one and he
comes eighth. Not his fault. They had no lap counters

(12:18):
and so it's up to each individual racer to keep across,
which I thought, well, they are professional athletes, you know,
they should be able to count. He made a joke
about that, Hayden Wild. But even so, I do a
bit of swimming in the pool, and it's so easy
if you're trying to swim and count how many laps
you're doing, it's actually becomes very difficult after a while,
and you forget and you focus on you one, two, three, breathing,

(12:41):
and then you forget what lap you're on. So I
can only imagine for an athlete who was running at
you know, five times to pace the rest of us
would how confusing that might become and your brain might
start to fatigue as your body does all that stuff
get a lap counter not hard as it do bike.

Speaker 1 (12:59):
The headline and the hard questions. It's the mic Hosking
Breakfast to.

Speaker 3 (13:03):
Say, for beef, it goes back to what do we know?

Speaker 9 (13:07):
So it goes back to before the fifteen percent was
put on, So for us it will be the equivalent
of than the most favored nation status, which is very low.
It's less than one percent, so it really means a
very level playing field with every other beef and porter
in the world are the same teriff rate that Australia faces.
The only difference there is from memory, Brazil faced about
a forty percent tariff, so you know we are more

(13:29):
competitive than them.

Speaker 2 (13:30):
When does it start?

Speaker 9 (13:31):
My understanding is it started already on the moment that
the announcement was made, just a day or two ago.

Speaker 3 (13:36):
Back tomorrow at six am, the Mic Hosking Breakfast with
a Vida News Talk ZEDB.

Speaker 2 (13:42):
Digging deeper into the day's headlines.

Speaker 1 (13:44):
It's Ryan Bridge on hither duels Ellen Dree with one
New Zealand coverage like no one else News Talk ZBB.

Speaker 3 (13:51):
Four twenty five. Great to have your company now a
couple of government bits for you. The ETS carbon price
auctions that the price has collapsed happened again this week.
The carbon Match founder Lizzie Chambers. Now, carbon Match is
one of the longest standing participants in the carbon market
in New Zealand. She's come out and said, I think
you could should consider now actually canceling any further actions

(14:14):
for our carbon auction. And the unit price value is
free falling worth sixty percent of what it was just
two weeks ago. So does the government step in and
a hold to all of this? Last Nicola Willis that's
later in the show after six tonight at Postcab. Right now,
government's confirming it's going to loosen it's going to ease
the cost of new and used import vehicles. They're making

(14:36):
changes to the clean Car Standard, temporarily slashing charges nearly
eighty percent. Chris Bishop's just made the announcement. Have listen.

Speaker 7 (14:45):
There is a supply shortage of cleaner used vehicles and
demand for new electric vehicles has dropped. The scheme is
ultimately pretty out of whack. With reality. So some hybrid vehicles,
not all, but some hybrid vehicle actually attract chargers rather
than credits.

Speaker 3 (15:04):
Yeah, we'll talk to Chris Specially about it. Doesn't mean
you'll get a cheaper car. Basically, we'll talk to Chrispecial
about it after five. Barry Sober here after news at
four thirty. We'll also hit to our Australia correspondent as well.
Lots of your texts coming and we'll get to those
two News Talk, said b.

Speaker 1 (15:43):
The day's newsmakers talk to Ryan first, Ryan Bridge on
Hither Dupi c Ellen Drive with One New Zealand and
the power of satellite Mobile News Talks.

Speaker 2 (15:53):
M B.

Speaker 3 (15:55):
Here is coming twenty five away from five year on
news Talk be coming up very so Soper on politics.
We'll look at this Uber decision as well. Their employees
not contractors. Apparently four took the case initially the Supreme
Court's rule they are employees. After that was on appeal
and the union and there are about one thousand Uber
drivers who are union members right now, so only four

(16:18):
took the case. But you've got a thousand unionized members
driving ubers. What happens to the cost of their labor?
What does that do to the price of your uber?
We'll ask those questions after five.

Speaker 2 (16:29):
It's the worlds on.

Speaker 3 (16:33):
Trumps blown up. Responsible Trump has blown up another drug
boat in the Pacific. They're also going to do some
drills near Trinidad and Tobago, just off the coast of Venezuela.
Maduro is not happy about this. I can tell you
he's not happy about that. It's killing season in Australian politics.

(16:53):
In case you weren't to wear the last sitting week
of parliament often when leaders get the chop if they're
polling badly, and Susan later the coalition leader while she's
polling badly. Here's coalition backbencher Barnaby Joyce. He spoke earlier today.

Speaker 10 (17:06):
Well, obviously it does look like people are positioning themselves
on I wouldn't be telling you the truth otherwise, would I.
But what I would also say is a fifteen hundred
meters raise, be really careful why you position yourself on
the first lap.

Speaker 3 (17:18):
Finally, this afternoon, a flamingo has escaped from a zoo
in Cornwall and taken up residents in France. Frankie. That
flamingo was born a few months ago. Had a wing clip,
so the zoo staff. The zoo keepers thought, oh that'll
be fine. I'm not going to go anywhere. I took

(17:39):
off over the English Channel. Frankie has been spotted on
an island and northern France. Zoos staff say, seems pretty
happy there in the world, so we're not going to
try and bring her back.

Speaker 1 (17:49):
International correspondence with Ends and Eye Insurance Peace of mind
for New Zealand business.

Speaker 3 (17:56):
Oli Peterson with us this afternoon six PR Live, perth Oi.
Good afternoon, Yet a Ryan. Fifteen thousand knives seized by
Victoria police across the year. That's a hell of a lot.

Speaker 11 (18:07):
What are we talking Well, if you put it in
this context, that's almost fifty knives and machetes taken off
Victorian streets every single day. Ryan, So fourteen thousand, eight
hundred and eight weapons were taken off streets in Victoria
last year. Now it's fifteen thousand this year. There's obviously
been a big targeted push in Victoria with these machette

(18:29):
bins that have been put around the state to collect
machetes which have been banned from sailing Victoria. But they've
got a huge crime problem. It's very well documented, particularly
in some of the Melbourne suburbs, and lots of people
having their cars stolen, their homes broken into.

Speaker 3 (18:44):
It's just not a good advertisement to the rest of.

Speaker 11 (18:47):
The world that Victoria has got such a issue with crime.
But how's that almost fifty taken off the streets every.

Speaker 3 (18:52):
Day, So hell of a lot. Now the coalition we've
just been talking about, they've been arguing about, you know,
netzera of it. Now they're doing a MC Yeah, that's
what they want to do.

Speaker 11 (19:02):
So obviously they've got the decide they're not going to
have a net zero policy. They want to talk about
instead kitchen table economics. Ryan, I like that term. But
basically the opposition is now going to try and prosecute
the governments and say that the reason that energy prices
are going up because we're going for net zero, the
reason that businesses are going broken this country is because
of net zero, and the reason that we don't have

(19:24):
manufacturing here in Australia is because of net zero. That's
the new argument that the opposition is going to try
and prosecute. Difficulty is that they don't have too much
credibility at the moment because as you mentioned, there in
the world wise, those opinion polls for Susan Lee diabolical.
There are some reports around today that Angus Taylor and
and or Andrew Hasty affirming to replace Susan Lee. I
don't think that's going to happen anytime soon, to be

(19:45):
perfectly frank, she's only been in the job since a
June of this year, and yes it is killing season
in the last week of federal Parliament. But why do
it now? We're like, we're a good two and a
half years away from an election. I know that the
coalition looks like it's steering into the abyss. Maybe forever
and ever are men, but it's just not the time.
You just wouldn't be making a change at the moment.

(20:06):
So I don't think that will eventuate. Having said that,
they say by Christmas they'll come out with a new
policy about immigration, saying that this is obviously hurting Australian
families and it's a major issue in Australia because labor
will let anybody into this country. So whether they can
start trying to once again get a hold of the
narrative and get a hold of the political debate, that

(20:26):
is to be seen. Because they are floundering.

Speaker 3 (20:29):
Finally, what's going on with your pedestrian crossings? Onlie?

Speaker 12 (20:32):
Well, this is interesting.

Speaker 11 (20:33):
Have you got AI in New Zealand or that hasn't come?

Speaker 3 (20:37):
Sorry? Ryan, We've got the internet. We've got the internet
dial up. Yeah, we get Coronation Street about ten years
after it's eared in the UK. Probably the same with
Home and Away actually, but yes we do have AI.

Speaker 11 (20:52):
All right, good because there's nothing more and I'm sure
plenty of Kiwis would love catching the ferry from Circular
keat of Manly Wharf and when you get off the
wharf and you're trying to cross the road to get
over to the corso that is probably the jaywalk capital
of Australia because you just go right, You just I
can't need to cross the road.

Speaker 4 (21:10):
I need to get to the beach.

Speaker 3 (21:11):
I need to get to Manly Beach is one of
the best places in the world.

Speaker 11 (21:14):
But what they've done now with these set of traffic
lights is they put in thermal cameras and artificial intelligence
and they've reduced jaywalking by thirty four percent. I mean, surprise, surprise,
Like you have little senses in the roads. When it
goes on, there's a car here. We need to go
from red to green to let you go all of
a sudden, they're saying, how many pedestrians there are, So
they're giving pedestrians a greater opportunity.

Speaker 3 (21:33):
To cross the road.

Speaker 11 (21:33):
Now, there's a big push at the moment on this
country to reduce what is the suburban speed limit or
a speed limit around here, for example, which is fifty
k's now and downder thirty.

Speaker 12 (21:42):
They're saying this could be it.

Speaker 11 (21:43):
We could roll out thermal cameras and AI to every
intersection in Australia and would help obviously also push down
our growing death toll at the moment, which is relating
to pedestrian death.

Speaker 3 (21:54):
Seriroon. So there you go, right, Oli, Thank you for that.
Oli from Oli Pedterson six per per live. It's nineteen
away from five Bryan Bridge to the US we go.
Marjorie Taylor Green. This is the Maga woman, the blonde woman.
She's got like peroxide blonde here with a Maga hat on.
You will know the one that I'm talking about.

Speaker 6 (22:11):
We're going to reelect our favorite president, the greatest president
in the United States history.

Speaker 13 (22:17):
Donald J.

Speaker 2 (22:18):
Trump.

Speaker 3 (22:19):
Her relationship not so cozy with Trump anymore because of Epstein,
she wants the files released. He up until a few
minutes ago, didn't want the files released and said this
about poor old Marjorie Taylor Green.

Speaker 13 (22:30):
On Saturday, President Trump blasted his one time staunch maga
ally representative Marjorie Taylor Green, calling her Marjorie Trader Green
any true social post, one day after referring to her
as a ranting lunatic in another.

Speaker 3 (22:46):
Anyway, So that Trump's now done a truth social post
in the last couple of minutes, in which he has
said House Republicans should vote to release the Epstein files
because we have nothing to hide. So, after all, why
drag this anyway? The votes have next week, and well,
if Trump gets his wish, we will all know what's
in this twenty one thousand pages apparently of documents to

(23:07):
sift through, and this dead pedophile who's dominating news cycles
long after he's left this left the earth. That will
continue next week and we'll get a whole bunch more
documents released apparently eighteen to five Barry Soper next.

Speaker 1 (23:24):
Politics with Centrics Credit check your customers and get payments
certainty to.

Speaker 3 (23:28):
Five Barries sober here Verry, Good afternoon, good afternoon, right,
good to see. So the clean car standard thing is
getting the boot or getting drastically reduced.

Speaker 14 (23:37):
What is getting drastically reduced in the short term over
the next two years, and then they're having a review
in that time. But in the meantime it'll be reduced dramatically,
so it means that a lot of money will be
saved in credits and importers of cars. And this is
what it's all about really. The law was introduced in

(23:59):
twenty three with the aim of encouraging New Zealanders to
buy more fuel efficient cars and reduce emissions. Well, the
transportment is to Chris Bishop. He says the charges aren't
working other than driving the price up, so he's wasting
no time, I've got to say, and making the changes.

Speaker 7 (24:15):
It has estimated these changes will avoid two hundred and
sixty four million dollars in net charges that could have
been passed on to New Zealand consumers through high vehicle prices.
And if there's one number to remember, that is the
number that if we don't act, there will be two
hundred and sixty four million dollars in net charges that
could have and likely will be passed on to New

(24:37):
Zealanders through higher vehicle prices. So the changes we are
announcing today will be law by the end of the
week and that will provide certainty to importers and ultimately
to New Zealand consumers.

Speaker 3 (24:49):
I'm making all right, Well, we'll ask Chris Bishop about that.
He's on the show. We'll ask more about that then. Now, IPSOS,
the latest poll is not great for Nationalism.

Speaker 14 (24:57):
No, it's terrible actually when you consider that the same
sort of pole was the cost of living remains the
most serious issue facing the public. But when they did
a similar poll when National came to power last time,
in fact, the figures were reversed. That of the twenty
top issues, National claim the fifteen top, whereas Labor were

(25:24):
claimed could claim not even five with the coalition partners.
Now the figures have been reversed, so the coalition government
has only claimed fifteen, well, in fact, five of the
top places that they can be relied on. So I
think Chris, certainly, Chris Luxon was you know, he'll be

(25:46):
very worried about this law and order and foreign affairs.
They are the only two that National score above.

Speaker 3 (25:53):
One of the Labor is Winston Well, I'm going to
say that righteous.

Speaker 14 (25:57):
And the climate change. Of course, the Green claim on
that is she's facing Mali, the Marketing Party, the other fifteen.

Speaker 3 (26:04):
Barry, what does this mean? Because you've been doing this
a lot longer than I have. But from my perspective,
I was thinking, well, the Poles don't with the polls
that we're putting Labor ahead. It's a protest vote the
economy's cramp, but Labor didn't have any policies, so that
therefore it was a protest vote. Now that Labor has
some policies and there's still the Poles aren't changing, what
does it tell us?

Speaker 14 (26:24):
Well, I think, you know, my view has always been
in all of this that you know, it takes so
long to turn an economy around the way it was left,
and when National and the coalition partners took over that
it's you know, next year, I think we'll see a
better year and maybe these figures will right themselves in
terms of what National wants. But I've got to say

(26:44):
the polls should worry National, but the Prime Minister, he's
playing it tough.

Speaker 15 (26:48):
I'm focused on making sure we're trying to fix this economy.
There's no doubt about it. We inherited a pretty tough situation,
thirty five year recession, big COVID hangover, a difficult training environment.
But we My job is to fix it and so
you know that is what we and our team are doing.
There's so many poles each and every week I'll spend
more time commenting on poles and extrant fix this country.

Speaker 14 (27:06):
And there's a lot of truth in that. They're very ambitious.
Chris Bishop was standing alongside and on the stage this afternoon.
I've got to say though he wasn't looking too worried.

Speaker 3 (27:17):
The thing is like if you ask people about Labour's
record costs on inflation, you know, or their record on education, Well,
how can you? I don't know, no.

Speaker 14 (27:27):
Sense, I can't fathom it myself. I mean, people have
short memories, it seems, you know when you look at
Chippy and congratulations Chiffy for becoming engaged today, not necessarily
in politics but to his partner. But you know he
he was the minister at the center Idurn government and.

Speaker 3 (27:50):
Right the Greens are going to provoke mining contracts and
they're just letting us all know now before the actual
contracts are signed and done and dusted.

Speaker 14 (27:58):
And yeah, we're go into this too much. But the
thing is that it makes it more difficult for Labor
again if this is going to be their bottom line,
and Madame Davidson it sounds as though she's pretty determined
on it that it was. Of course the government, the
Labor Party changed the ail and gas exploration thing as
soon as they came into power. Whinston Peters was part

(28:20):
of that government, so too was Shane Jones, the mining
minister who you remember still on stage with his hand
over his face, not liking what was happening. But what
they're seending is a message to the international community, and
there are a couple of big internationals involved off the
Taranaki coast at the moment, saying that if you enter
into a contract with this government, we're not going honor it.

(28:44):
But that's only the Greens. But it just makes that
bit harder for the Labor Party when you consider the
Greens will be a coalition partners, so will the Maldi Party.

Speaker 3 (28:54):
Yes, they will need them or New Zealand. First Yeah, well,
well I don't think I did not count that discount
until he says he won't do it, and he's only
said he won't do it with Chippy. Yeah, that's yet.
Now very quickly, our Dona is going to appear on
the Graham Norton Show.

Speaker 14 (29:11):
Well, it's sort of like a public service announcement, isn't
it really? That she gets on all the shows. And
of course when she was on the Stephen Colbeer Show,
I think you might have been in New York at
that time traveling as a journalist.

Speaker 3 (29:23):
No, I wasn't there then, Well I was there.

Speaker 14 (29:25):
But look, it comes as no surprise that she's on
the Graham Norton shows, that it's promoting her autobiographical documentary
or film they've made of her. I mean, this woman
is a legend in her own lifetime.

Speaker 3 (29:39):
But overseas, overseas in this country she's not seeing in
it's playing her documentary live this afternoon. International.

Speaker 14 (29:48):
Yeah, it's unbelievable, you know, but she's living overseas. She's
a good international citizen and they love her.

Speaker 3 (29:54):
Verry Soper with Politics. It's nine to five on news Talk.
SEBB News Talk said, it is six minutes away from
five o'clock. We'll get to Chris Bishop on the changes
to the clean car standards. We'll hopefully make cars cheaper
for all of us. If we're buying new it should
be New War second hand too. We'll ask Chris Bishop
the details after five. Now remember that time that the
wrong winner was read out that the Oscars and it

(30:15):
was an absolute shambles. Well it's happened again. Slightly different
level of awards though, I have to say. Friday night,
twenty twenty six winner of the Senior South Australian of
the Year was announced. Here's how it went down.

Speaker 5 (30:27):
The twenty twenty six Senior South Australian of the Year
for South Australia.

Speaker 2 (30:32):
Is Malcolm Benoy.

Speaker 3 (30:34):
Congratulations Malcolm, well done. Malcolm is so far so good.
Then this happened. The judges are conferring for a second.
It's just like the Oscars.

Speaker 16 (30:45):
It is a little bit like the Oscars. A Senior
Australian of the Year is in fact James.

Speaker 3 (30:52):
It is James, James Curry.

Speaker 2 (30:55):
James Curry. Just hold ready to hold for a second.

Speaker 3 (30:58):
Is it Malcolm? Is it James? The suspense so intense,
And then it actually gets worse than the Oscars because
it turns out the announcers that actually got it right
the first time round had to announce the original winner again.

Speaker 16 (31:10):
All right, we'll moving along as we hear this. Now
apparently it's our notes that are incorrect, and we will
let's scrub the last five minutes.

Speaker 14 (31:19):
I start all of again.

Speaker 2 (31:21):
Let's open the.

Speaker 16 (31:23):
Card again and announce that the twenty twenty six Senior
Australian of the Year for South Australia is Mac Bennoy.

Speaker 3 (31:34):
Senior Awards brought to you by Alzheimer's. I think now
I had represented an awards one but it was one
of my first times i'd done one of those awards
nights and it was for Beauty Awards and I was
giving out. It was sponsored by Colegate I can remember that,
and Art and Matilda. It was Matilda who'd won. Oh
I actually do you know what? I can't remember who won?

(31:56):
I know anyway, what I did was announce you have
cards and front of you, and I announced the winner
city with five awards. First award Matilda should have won.
I accidentally announced the second winner. So then you've screwed
the pooch two ways from Sunday, haven't you, Because not
only have you let the cat out of the bag

(32:16):
about the second winner, but you've also screwed Matilda. So
it was a complete shambles. Anyway, they didn't ask me
back to the Beauty Awards, and that is for sure.
You're on News Talks zed BA. It's coming up to
five o'clock, Chris Bishop. We'll also look at uber and
that decision from the Supreme Court. Lots more to come
on your Monday afternoon news Talks. Ev Beat.

Speaker 1 (33:00):
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News DOORGSV.

Speaker 3 (33:14):
Good evening, seven after five. The government promising imported new
and used vehicle is going to get cheaper. They're cutting
charges relating to the clean car standards by almost eighty percent.
Now you remember these standards they brought into encourage importers
to bring in evs and cleanic cars. Turns up we're
not actually buying them, Chris Bishops, the Transport Minister. Good evening,
Good evening, So can you give us you're doing this
quickly and urgently. What's the quick fixed four?

Speaker 7 (33:39):
Well, the standard gets tighter on the first of January
twenty twenty six, So unless we act, there will be
you know, potentially one hundreds, if not thousands of dollars
added to the cost of new and imported cars. The
Clean Car Standard started in twenty twenty three. It's a
previous government thing. We changed it in twenty twenty four
to bring it into lone with Australia, to essentially soften

(34:02):
it a bit, make it easier for people to comply with.
But unfortunately, over the last eighteen months or so, the
bottom's falling out of the EV market and the people
who are actually doing the imports actually can't get the
supply of evs and hybrids such that the scheme is
going to fail. So basically, unless we act, there's about
two hundred and sixty four million dollars worth of penalties

(34:25):
that are currently sitting on the box of car importers
that will likely be passed along to consumers through higher prices.
So we need to act and we're going to do
that quickly and it'll be done by the end of
the year.

Speaker 3 (34:36):
This week, are you wiping those penalties?

Speaker 7 (34:40):
What we're doing is reducing the gets technical but we
are reducing the the per gram of CO two charge.
So look, basically, The way it works is if you
bring in a gas guzzler, you've got to offset it
with an EV, right, and if you bring in a
gas guzzler, you pay a penalty, and if you bring

(35:00):
in an EV you get a credit, and it's meant
to balance out over time. But what's happened is that
it hasn't worked out like that because people aren't bringing
enough evs and people aren't buying them. And also the
importers can't get the supply of the evs because you've
got supply constraints coming out of Japan. So you've got
all of these importers who are sitting there with all
of these penalties that will end up being passed on

(35:20):
to consumers, in some cases by thousands of dollars per
car for quite common car brands.

Speaker 3 (35:26):
So we're going to.

Speaker 7 (35:27):
Reduce the charge of CO two for new vehicles and
for used vehicles. We're going to extend the credits held
by importers through the December twenty twenty eight and review
of the scheme.

Speaker 3 (35:38):
Okay, I understand that, but if you what about penalties
they've already incurred for bringing in gas guzzlers that are
sitting on their books what happens to that.

Speaker 7 (35:48):
Well, the advice we've received is that over time, over
the next two years or so, the reduction in the
price program of CO two will allow people.

Speaker 3 (36:00):
To be made whole over the next couple of years.
So six twenty seven, okay, So they would just sit
and deficit until it balances itself out with more evs
coming on stream.

Speaker 7 (36:10):
That's the plan, and you've got the credits don't expire
till thirty one December twenty twenty eight. This is supported
by the both new and the used car industry. They
We've been working with them over the last few weeks
months to get it right.

Speaker 3 (36:20):
So what does this mean? Does this mean we don't
care about the environment? You know, screw climate change?

Speaker 7 (36:25):
Doesn't mean that, It just means like I mean, look,
every country in the OECD, except for Russia, has a
clean vehicle standard of some type, right, and actually the
car industry supports a clean vehicle standard. The issue is
just actually getting the details right. And the last guy's
labor's scheme was a disaster. If you think the numbers
look bad, now imagine what it would be if they

(36:45):
were still happening. We made some changes, but we're making
some further changes very quickly. The take home point for
people listening is that they're no longer going to be
slugged with potentially thousands of dollars of extra charges just
for buying a car next year.

Speaker 3 (37:00):
All right, well, what's a car a name of Carr
and how much will I save?

Speaker 9 (37:05):
Oh?

Speaker 7 (37:05):
Well, for example, Toyota hi as for example, the maximum
potential savings on that one of fifteen hundred bucks Toyota
High Lucks one thousand bucks too out a red four
two undred and sixty bucks for a new Celtos for
a three thoy six hundred Yeah for a new one.

Speaker 3 (37:22):
Yeah, all right, yeah, good to know. Chris Bishop, transportman
is appreciate your time. It's five eleven frame Bridge. Food
price is up four point seven percent in the year
of October. Milk up thirteen and a half percent, four
hundred four dollars seventy eight a liter, Cheese up thirty percent,
eggs up eighteen and a half percent, almost ten bucks
a dozen Now instant coffee was up twenty five percent,
But that's discussing anyways. Who cares? Brad Olson, infa Metric's

(37:45):
principal economists, wasn't me Hey, Brad, good afternoon. So surprise
is still going up.

Speaker 12 (37:49):
Yeah, life is still pretty expensive. That the good news
is as we head into summer, you're seeing some areas
of relief, the likes of fruit and vegetables becoming a
bit cheaper as we get into that better growing season.
But look, as you're thinking of, you know, Christmas sort
of lunch or dinner, I don't think you're going to
be wanting to put the likes of mince paddies or
steak on the barbie or ething, given that those have increased.

(38:10):
In fact, a couple of months ago, right, we were
talking a lot about butter. Mince now the new butter
in a sense, given that though that's increased, I think
it's now twenty three bucks of kilo for that. So
your staples are still really expensive. They continue to go up,
So still pretty challenging for a lot of household.

Speaker 3 (38:24):
How are you saying go vegan?

Speaker 12 (38:26):
No, I'm saying maybe shop around, because while the likes
of beef and lamb and even fish has increased, the
likes of pork and chicken hasn't shifted all that much,
so that there's a little bit of option on the table.
The one that worries me though, that we don't talk
about a lot, is the fact that electricity price inflation
is currently running it its fastest since nineteen eighty nine.
Like that stuff's really starting to hit households and you

(38:48):
can't avoid that cost.

Speaker 3 (38:50):
Right, So what does this do to the overall inflation number.
Before the end of the year, we were going to
hit three percent over three percent, Well, we're there at
the moment.

Speaker 12 (38:57):
We expect things to come down, but that's more Yes,
you've got the likes of your food price inflation that's
still running hot, electricity and similar as well. The challenge
that I think I'm finding when you look at the
headline numbers, the price of like a couch or your
fridge or a phone or similar are coming down. That's good,
but how many of those are we buying each week?
It's the really essential stuff that you're paying very very frequently,

(39:19):
your electricity, your food and similar that's continuing to hit.
So although headline inflation might be in a better place
going forward, the cost of living challenge for households doing
it day by day is still going to be tough bred.

Speaker 3 (39:29):
Thank you, Brad Olson in for Metrics thirteen after five.
Now I'll take you to Kindala in Wellington. And the
reason I say Kandala is because it's the renuw earer
of Wellington. It's the nice area, it's the flash area.
It's on the hill and the hoity torty people live
there and they're complaining because that's what hoity torchy people do, complain,
and they're complaining about planes. So a couple of years

(39:50):
ago the flight path was changed. This is for Wellington
Airport for planes that are taking off and heading north.
Flight flight path gets changed. Planes were going over Newlands,
which is like, oh, I don't know, I'm loathed to
make a comparison actually at this point, but Newland's not
as nice Candala quite nice. So flight plan gets changed

(40:11):
for safety reasons, not actually really sure why. But now
there are thirty eight planes of a morning taking off
six am. The first one eighty decibels. Is there's one
particular woman who was interviewed says from six am, I've
got thirty eight planes taking off daily and it's eighty
decibels even with air plugs in bed. I'm woken up.

(40:35):
So what do we think, Shut up Candala or dump
it on Newlands? How do we feel I presumably there
is a specific reason that this has happened. It's a
safety reason, and you can't sort of unfart as it were.
But it's just always nice to hear people complaining, isn't it.
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under drivers, Sorry, Uber drivers, it's five a seen on

(42:00):
newstalk ZB have the same right as any other company employee.
This is a landmark Supreme Court case unanimously throwing out
Uber's appeal which aim to restrict labor rights to their
drivers as contractors workers. First Union will now progress with
collective bargaining on behalf of the drivers and need to
rose and traders with US workers. First Union Deputy Secretary

(42:20):
Anita Good evening, Hi, Ryan, So what rights do they
now have?

Speaker 6 (42:26):
So they have the same rights that any other employee
has in New Zealand, I mean the big ones that
you know most people would think of a minimum wage,
annual leave, you know, other types of leaves sickly can
we save a contributions. A big one for Uber drivers
is they now have rights around you know, job protection,
so Uber shouldn't be able to just dismiss them at

(42:49):
the drop of the hat without going through any due process.
So it's a really important one for them.

Speaker 3 (42:54):
So for these four employees, obviously significant ruling. But what
about You've got about one thousand members who are drive
and ubers. Have I got that right?

Speaker 6 (43:02):
Yeah, that's right?

Speaker 3 (43:03):
So what about them? What happens now to their situation?

Speaker 6 (43:07):
So we've already lodged with the Employment Relations Authority claims
on behalf of all of our current members, and we'll
continue to lodge as new drivers join, basically saying that
we think the company owes the money for everything that
they should have received already if the company was properly
recognizing them as employees the whole way along. So the

(43:29):
Authority has been waiting for the Supreme Court's decision before
they started any work on these claims. But now that
we've got that, they'll launch into a process to calculate
exactly what it is that Uber owes those people. So
that's a really important process we'll go through. And then
obviously we're also looking to collect a fleet bagain with Uber,
and this is really the future focused part of it.

(43:49):
We sort of like look back and think, Okay, you
know they're owed a certain amount of money, let's let's
fix that up. But what about the system going forwards?
Clearly it's not been working for people go through the
collective bargaining process. We really want to improve the Erber
system for all drivers in New Zealand.

Speaker 3 (44:05):
And these to how much are we talking here total
for these workers? Hundreds of millions potentially, I mean potentially.

Speaker 6 (44:12):
It's really hard to say at this point because it's
totally contingent on how much driving they've done. So the
more driving a driver has done, the longer they've been
engaged with Uber, the more likely they are to be
old a more significant amount of money and then lack waves.
With drivers who've only just started or who drives part time,
they're going to be olde less. But yes, we're looking
at a very very large bills ober.

Speaker 3 (44:35):
What happens if you are an Uber driver and you
want to take it you don't want to work today?
Does that mean, you know, can you just do you
have apply for leave if you're if you're an employee,
you'd have to right.

Speaker 6 (44:46):
Yeah, I mean at the moment, you don't have to
do that if you're driving for Uber. But what we've
done is that the reality is is that you if
you want to make any money, all driving for Uber,
and what you tend to do is you fall in
line and drive the hours that they want you to drive.
So it's no coincidence that most drivers who do it
full time end up working like, for example, Friday night,

(45:07):
Saturday night and rush hour.

Speaker 3 (45:10):
But that's when people want to drive the hours.

Speaker 6 (45:13):
Those aren't the hours date, but those aren't the hours
that they want to work.

Speaker 3 (45:16):
If you don't drive an Uber, I'm sorry, I need
to don't drive an Uber. Those are the hours people
want the cars.

Speaker 6 (45:25):
I mean the thing I'm not saying nobody should be
driving those hours. And absolutely that's when the work is.
That's when the work needs to be done. That's when
people need to drive. But there's nothing to say that
people shouldn't be earning minimum wage to do that work, right,
that's it's just not right, the right thing to do.
A crap ton of money in our country. They can
surely get there.

Speaker 3 (45:44):
Is no drivers, there's no doubt about that. But what's
your message to people who use Uber? Because there this
will put their prices up right?

Speaker 6 (45:52):
Well, not necessarily because Uber has been operating this model
all over the world, and there's been a whole bunch
of different you know, attacks on it and approaches to it,
and they have threatened that everywhere they've gone. As that said,
you know, any kind of challenge to our business model
will put prices up and we might pull out of
the country and so on and so forth. But more
often than you've actually just seen them continue to operate

(46:15):
the way that they've always operated. So and like we said,
there's a whole heap of money going to this company
at the moment. At the moment, it's about priorities, right,
they can choose to put the money where it should
be going, which is in the pockets of their drivers
and people who are actually bringing the money in with
their services.

Speaker 3 (46:30):
Nita, appreciate your time. Nita roseentraded with us from first
Union time is five twenty three. What about D D
and bolts is this Texter? Yeah? I agree. The Uber
drivers can switch between I mean, if a working relationship,
if you're an employee, it's like a marriage, and if
you're a contractor, it's like you're still in the dating pool,

(46:50):
you know what I mean. You can go and go
on as many dates with as many different people as
you like. No one's going to care once you're married.
That's a problem. Same thing with a employee verse contract
of relationship. And the Uber drivers have been free to
go and flip between the dds and the bolts, and
they was it alla for a while there. That was
one of the So can you really call them employees? Well,

(47:14):
the courts say yeah you can. Five twenty three News TALKSB.

Speaker 1 (47:18):
The name you trust to get the answers you need,
it's Ryan Bridge on either duplessy Ellen Drive with one
New Zealand coverage like no one else.

Speaker 3 (47:27):
News TALKSB five twenty six. Couple of things from this
morning's poll on the capital gains tax from the Herald. Basically,
we're evenly split, which is a bit of a win
for labor because it's not a disaster for them in
the sense that there's no great revolution against a capital
gains tax brewing out there. But the results are interesting.
The details of the results are interesting. So more Aucklanders

(47:48):
hate the capital gains tax than the rest of the country.
Forty five percent of Jaffer's oppose it, only thirty two
percent supported. Now this is important because Auckland holds the
keys to the kingdom electorally. Labour found that out in
their stunning defeat at the polls two years ago. You'll remember,
so if you're national, that's where you focus your anti
capital gains tax campaign. Also interesting and the herald peace

(48:11):
on the pom What makes this point this morning? In
areas where people are doing well, where house prices haven't caved,
there's more support for it. In areas feeling poor because
their house price has fallen through the fore like Auckland,
they don't like it. So basically you have squeezed middle
voters telling you they feel too poor to support another tax,

(48:31):
and so you end up with this fight between people
who like the sound of an idea in a poll
and people who feel it will threaten their chance of
growing wealth or saving full retirement and like it although
that property is a vehicle that people have been using
to do that. Then you've got to ask yourself, will
the tax do what it says on the label? Will
it pay for millions of extra doctors' visits as we've

(48:53):
been promised? Where will these doctors magically appear from? Does
this party have a good track record with delivering on promises,
particularly if they tell you how much, but not really
detail on how you could look at this poll and
you could think, well, this is a win for the
capital gains and it is sort of, but there's plenty
of fodder for an anti capital gains tax campaign which

(49:14):
is no doubt being workshopped by some ad agency in
Grayland for the National Party as we speak, Ryan five
twenty eight, it's good to have your company now. The
airport and Wellington and Kendala. If you missed the story earlier,
it's the fancy suburban Wellington. They're complaining about the noise. Ryan.
You can't buy a house and near an airport and
then complain about the planes going overhead. That's the problem.

(49:36):
It's not near the airport. And initially when they bought
their houses, it wasn't going overhead. You're on news talks here, big.

Speaker 17 (49:43):
News and then the panel.

Speaker 1 (49:55):
On your smart speaker, on the iHeart app and in
your car on your drive home, Ryan Bridge, on either
dupericy Ellen drive with one New Zealand and of power
of satellite mobile news talks, they'd be.

Speaker 18 (50:08):
It's hard to see twenty.

Speaker 3 (50:18):
Four away from sexy on news talks, they'd be it's
great to have your company on a Monday evening, Convita
in a world of trouble, a world of pain, and
that takeover bid well not happening is that the shareholders
voted it down. Fifty four point twenty nine percent of
shareholders voted for it and seventy five percent was required.
So even though you've got more than half the shareholders
wanting to do the deal, you need a supermajority, what

(50:41):
we would call them politics. A supermajority didn't happen. So
what happens now for Convita? Will speak to the chief executive,
Carl Grayden. He's on the show after six this.

Speaker 2 (50:49):
Evening, Ryan Bridge.

Speaker 3 (50:51):
More than two hundred schools have reaffirmed their commitment to
the Treaty of White Tangy, the Tidity or White Tangy.
This is after the government removed the requirement for school
boards to uphold it. Christopher and spoke about it with
Hosking on ZRE'DB this morning. It's just the.

Speaker 15 (51:03):
Wrong conversation to be having. That's what parents should be
pushing those boards damn hard on because I'm assuming then
they've got outstanding academic achievement, outstanding attendance records.

Speaker 3 (51:13):
That is what they have to be focused on. Now.
Kate Kettle is the Queen's High School board chair. They've
reaffirmed their commitment, joins me. Now, Kate, good evening.

Speaker 19 (51:22):
How are you Ryan?

Speaker 3 (51:23):
Very well? Thank you Kate. What is that reaffirming your
commitment to the treaty? What does that change for a student?

Speaker 19 (51:31):
What does it change for a student? Well, it doesn't
actually change a lot, because for a long time now,
schools have been building and weaving into treaty and all
the principles of divers inclosure that entails into our curriculum
and our way of being at our schools.

Speaker 3 (51:53):
But the ministry sets the curriculum though, oh.

Speaker 19 (51:57):
The minister, yes they do.

Speaker 3 (52:00):
So what are you changing? What are you changing?

Speaker 20 (52:03):
Well, we're not.

Speaker 19 (52:03):
Actually, My point is we're not actually changing anything. We're
just continuing on with the focus that we've been asked
to do in the last few years, which, yeah.

Speaker 3 (52:14):
Honoring the Treaty, but not actually doing anything, just honoring,
just saying you're honor it, but not changing anything. Is
that right?

Speaker 19 (52:24):
Well, the point being that we when we're honoring it,
we are weaving that into our strategies that schools are
supposed to do. It's not just about necessarily offering classes
in today or having Copper Harker groups. It's about offering
a teaching our education users, our people of tomorrow about

(52:51):
how to have a worldview that's our understanding of different cultures, so.

Speaker 3 (52:57):
Not just Maori culture Indian.

Speaker 2 (53:01):
Well.

Speaker 19 (53:02):
The thing is that when you are given the perspective
of any culture that is different from yours, or any
different worldview, it teaches you the skills of having an
open mind, of being able to appreciate how other people
look at things. You can become more understanding, more responsive.

Speaker 3 (53:21):
Okay, this is all good stuff. I totally appreciate that,
and we need that in our schools because students need
to be well rounded. But how does you reaffirming a
commitment to a to honor a treaty that you do
not do anything practical with. How has that been I
just don't understand. Can you not do that without honoring

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the treaty and reaffirming your commitment to it.

Speaker 19 (53:45):
I think the point is that we're at and to
tell focus fully on academic outcomes and attendance is not
providing our students with a holistic approach to education. It's
not empowering every type of luna. We are actually actively

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in the decisions our schools make, for example, and setting
our values, which sets our strategic goals, which underpins how
our schools approach the curriculum. That's the way in which
we honor to TVT and the principles that follow from there.

Speaker 3 (54:24):
Okay, just curious your school. What's your attendance record and
your achievement record?

Speaker 19 (54:29):
Bike, They are definitely on par with other schools around
our region.

Speaker 2 (54:38):
National.

Speaker 19 (54:39):
Yeah, we're proud of our results.

Speaker 3 (54:41):
What are the results?

Speaker 19 (54:44):
Off the top of my head, I don't know. That
is something that we monitor from board meeting to board meeting,
and I don't have those to hand.

Speaker 3 (54:53):
I'm afraid, Kate, appreciate your time. Kate Kettle, who's the
Queen's High School board chair, reaffirming their commitment to the
Treaty nine team to six the huddle.

Speaker 1 (55:02):
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Speaker 3 (55:07):
Joining me this evening, Josie Beganni's CEO at Child Fund
Josie Good Evening, Hello, good to see you, and Thomas
Scrimmer's here from the Maximums to Thomas Good evening today.
Ryan thoughts on that, Josie, Well, I don't.

Speaker 21 (55:19):
Think it's really changing much. It's just removing it as
a mandatory obligation for school board of trustees to reflect
their honoring of the treaty and so they can still
do it as these schools are. So I don't know
that it's that big an issue. I do think for
the government there's a two things. There's a feeling that
they're picking cultural fights they probably don't need to have,

(55:42):
yes agreed, and it's partly that you know, it gets votes,
that's right. But I think I'm thinking of Jim Boldery,
actually the late Jim Boulder. He's saying to me just
a few weeks before he died, you know, why why
are they cutting you know, Terio mar Why do they
have to do that? This is a National Party former
Prime minister who brought in the treaty settlement process. So
I do think u Zialad just don't want a culture

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war on the left.

Speaker 1 (56:05):
Or the right.

Speaker 3 (56:06):
No, I agree, So I think they should just let
it go.

Speaker 21 (56:08):
But the other thing is, you know, there isn't teachers
need to I think probably stop being quite so militant
as they are I'm picking a fight with the government
every single ye every time, and they're just going to
turn people.

Speaker 12 (56:19):
Off all that.

Speaker 3 (56:20):
Thomas. Let's talk about the capital gains tax. So we
had this poll today and it said basically, we're a
bobb each way or even Stevens. Thirty nine percent I
think agree with it. This is Labour's plan. Thirty nine
percent oppose it. But it wasn't a disaster like it
should be a disaster for Labor. They should go, oh,
capital gains tax. Labor's texting, Oh, we're running away, but
people aren't running away. Yeah for sure.

Speaker 22 (56:41):
I mean if I was a Labor political strategist, I'd
be feeling really good about that result. Like you say,
sort of fairly mixed bag in terms of public opinion,
which for a new tax, is a pretty good thing
and I think also pretty smart on their part to
launch it so far out. I think it's hard to
sustain animosity to any policy of over such a long

(57:01):
period of time, so the new Zitald public will probably
get used to it. And the other thing Labor did
was exclude the family home, which I think from at
a policy level doesn't make sense, but politically it really
does because it kind of dilutes some of the animosity.
The only really mistake they made, I think is not
accounting for inflation, and the reason that they don't want

(57:22):
to is that they want more revenue from it. But
it means you could still sell your house for a
loss and be taxed on your loss, which is probably
not ideal.

Speaker 3 (57:31):
Certainly not, Josie, what's your take on it? Because we've
had poles out, we've had the ipsoce thing today, and
when I go to parties, my friends, my lefty friends say, oh,
this is great.

Speaker 21 (57:40):
Do you have some lefty friends?

Speaker 23 (57:41):
Right?

Speaker 3 (57:42):
Most of my friends are big, giant lefties, big lovies,
and they say, all, this is great because the other
side's getting screwed at the moment, you know, and they
love it. But then my friends on the right they say,
please please tell us this is not going the way
we think it's. The poles tell us it's going. What
do you think?

Speaker 21 (57:58):
Well, the polls is of all over the place, aren't they.
I mean that latest poll well, I mean that government
rating was about three point nine out of ten.

Speaker 4 (58:07):
That's really low.

Speaker 21 (58:09):
I mean, if I got a rating like that as
a CEO of a charity, I'd be out in my ear.
Having said that, it said, I think one of the
IPSIS polls was, oh, this is the worst worst ranking
for a government since twenty seventeen, which actually isn't that bad.
I remember twenty seventeen, and I do think I think
Labor have to be careful sonment. The government's got a problem.

(58:30):
I don't think people understand what national is for, what
the coalition government is for. It's growth, but they don't
see that cascading into their own incomes or their own
job opportunities, or cost of living, all of that stuff.
So they're just not seeing it. And that's a problem
for the government ring And the problem for labor is
they this is good for them, That CGT polling is

(58:51):
really good for them, because I would have expected it
to be much worse. If you ask people, do you
like attacks like CGT, of course I's in the same
So it tells me that there's actually quite a lot
of support out there.

Speaker 3 (59:03):
Something shift out.

Speaker 21 (59:04):
But Labour has to be careful Ryan that they don't
do a Peter Dutton in Australia, where he was leading
in the polls for two years because it was an
anti government vote. Really in the polls and then suddenly,
you know, the coalition in Australia and the Liberal Party
lost dramatically in Albanesi and Labor will voted back in.
So Labour have to be careful they don't read this

(59:26):
as one hundred percent vote for them. It's also a
vote against the government.

Speaker 3 (59:31):
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Twelve to six. Josie Beganney and Thomas Scrimger on The
Huddle tonight. Thomas the Uber case. So the Supreme Court
has sort of upheld the appeals fallen over this is
whether an Uber employee or an Uber driver is an
employee or or a contractor. They are going to be
these four at least considered employees and that will mean well,

(01:00:06):
probably have big implications for the workers. Although the government's
trying to legislate in this area.

Speaker 22 (01:00:11):
Your thoughts, Yeah, I think there's two issues here really.
I mean that the first is whether the judges of
the Supreme Court have correctly interpreted the law as it stands,
and I don't really have a view either way on that.
But I think at the more fundamental level is an
uber driver and employee, I just can't really see how
they are. I mean, they choose what jobs they take,

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they are under no obligation to keep accepting jobs, they
can knock off when they want, they can work for
a competitor. All of these things are really classical. What
is an independent contractor? If Uber drivers are employees not contractors,
I actually don't know what an independent contractor even is.
So I think it's probably fair enough that the government
is looking to legislate in this case to bring clarity

(01:00:54):
because clearly the courts have seen that under the law
as they read it, they are employees. But I just
don't see how that's a sustainable interpretation. They quite clearly
are contractors in my view.

Speaker 3 (01:01:04):
Yeah, it doesn't fit my deffinitely what I think of
when I think of an employee, Josie.

Speaker 6 (01:01:09):
So I think there's a difference.

Speaker 21 (01:01:11):
I think there's a difference between a self employed person.
So I've been self employed before. When I'm self employed, yep,
I set my own hours, I pay for my own holidays.
If I'm sick I don't work and I don't get paid,
but I can negotiate my rate, and I can negotiate
my conditions. I think the difference with things like Uber
drivers is they can't negotiate their.

Speaker 3 (01:01:34):
Their rates, their price takers.

Speaker 21 (01:01:35):
No, so that they are in many ways like employees.
They have to work, you know, they have to work
to a certain rate, they have to work according to
the conditions that Uber set.

Speaker 3 (01:01:45):
Okay, so that's a bit different, Josie. When I signed,
because I've worked as a contractor, it's self employed, a
contractor and an employee. When I'm a contractor, these guys,
the bosses here, make me sign all these things that
say I won't go and work for anyone else, you know,
like I'm exclusive to them, whereas these Uber drivers can
run around with DEDI and Bolton whoever the hell else

(01:02:07):
they like.

Speaker 21 (01:02:07):
So I think, I and you're right, this legislation coming
up on this, but I think it's about not so
much saying a contractor is an employee, but that a
contractor has the rights of workers, certain rights that certain
workers that most workers have. Anyway, so you could negotiate
something like the ability to get legal advice before you
sign a contract or the you know, could make that mandatory.

(01:02:28):
It could be things like some minimum standards around you
won't work fifteen hours ago.

Speaker 3 (01:02:32):
Yeah, rather than I do think it.

Speaker 21 (01:02:34):
Needs it does need addressing. It's not as simple as
to say one is a contractor one's employee. It's more complicated.

Speaker 3 (01:02:40):
Thomas Kandala residents and Wellington are really upset about the
planes flying over their houses. And they used to fly
over Newtown and Candala's much nice and Dalada Darling is
how they say in Wellington. Got any sympathy for them?

Speaker 22 (01:02:56):
Oh, I sympathize and so far as I think it's
probably not that nice to have a plane flying over
your head at all hours of the day, and they
previously didn't. But I don't know what their redress they
want to have is that the move was because of
safety reasons. This is a better flight path. Previously different
residents had to deal with planes. They live in the

(01:03:16):
broad vicinity of an airport and planes need to land.
To complain about this is to say I think other
people should experience this thing.

Speaker 3 (01:03:23):
I don't like.

Speaker 22 (01:03:24):
I don't want to experience it myself. I mean, I
live in west Auckland, I have a police helicopter over
my house every other night of the week.

Speaker 21 (01:03:33):
Plus stop committing so much crime, and then that's.

Speaker 22 (01:03:36):
Not so much me as my dearly beloved neighbors who
seem to be attracting the attention of the police helicopter.
But what is the redress here that it gets moved
to other residents. If we have an airport in a city,
the planes have to land. I just don't see what
they're asking for.

Speaker 21 (01:03:51):
Yeah, that's absolutely right. If you have an airport in
a city, you're going to have planes flying over the city.
And I'm sick of people with nice lives and lovely houses. Great,
I have a nice life in a lovely house, but
constantly complaining. I wanted to say that they want the
poor people to feel and hear the noise and not
live in a house and not have intensification, and for
goodness sake, tough enough. But I have actually got a

(01:04:12):
solution to this, that they should put the airport. I'm
very happy for the airport to move to Karpati, where
I live, and then they can, you know, move it there,
and then they won't have any planes.

Speaker 3 (01:04:22):
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Child Funder and Thomas Scrimser from the Maxim Institute on
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here after six the PSI. This is the Services Sector Index.
We care about this because it's two thirds of our
economy and the bad news is that it's still going backwards.
This is a result for October and it was forty
eight point seven percent. Now. That is up from forty
eight point three percent in September, which means that we

(01:05:03):
are going back We are going backwards more slowly, but
we are still going backwards. You need a number over
fifty to show expansion. We are not quite there. It's
been twenty straight months of contraction for the services sector.
We had manufacturing out on Friday, of course, and that's
back and positive, which is all good news. But she's
taken the data is noisy, that's what they say. Data

(01:05:25):
is a bit noisy at the moment as we lift
out of a deep and hideous recession, Nikola Willis ironically
the Growth Minister on the show after six News Talk
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being pushed by Farage into that. Joining me first though
Nicola Willis Finance Minister. Minister, good evening, good evening, Good

(01:06:29):
to have you on the show. Let's start with this
polling around the capital gains tax. What do you think
does it look like you'll in the IPSOS polling, it
looks like you've lost.

Speaker 20 (01:06:37):
The room well on the capital gains tax. You can
see that already significant numbers of people oppose that tax,
and I tell you what, between now an election day,
we will have a lot more opportunities to point out
the significant negative effects that will have on groups of
voters in the economy. So I expect the numbers and

(01:06:58):
support will continue to fall.

Speaker 3 (01:07:00):
But the numbers and support are the same as the
ones apposed, aren't they.

Speaker 20 (01:07:05):
There's also a big undecided group in the middle run,
and those are the people that we will be speaking
to between now and the election. And I also think
some of the people who may at this stage be
saying they support it haven't yet recognized the impact it
could have on them, their family, their business, their employer.
And so we have a job between now and the
election to make sure everyone understands what labour are threatening

(01:07:26):
to do.

Speaker 3 (01:07:27):
Are you convincing though? Do you think you're convincing, because
I think.

Speaker 20 (01:07:31):
It's pretty convincing that labor have a track record, which
is they waste a heck of a load of money,
then they run out of money, so they come after
your money, and whenever they say they're going to do
a little tax, they end up doing a big tax.

Speaker 3 (01:07:44):
This makes sense.

Speaker 20 (01:07:45):
Everyone understands insure well it an additional tax, isn't good
for any But this is the problem.

Speaker 3 (01:07:50):
You have been saying this for two years now. Do
people actually think that or are I When you look
at the EPSOCE poll, you're no longer the most trusted
party on the economy, You're no longer the most trusted
party on the cost of living, You're no longer the
most trusted party on most issues.

Speaker 20 (01:08:05):
Well, I think in terms of that IPSOS pole, it
is at a point in time where I think many
of us, me and the government are included, want to
see the economy performing better. It's at one point in time.
It's one pole between now an election day. There are
twelve months to go. I'm confident the economy will be
performing a lot better over the next few months. And

(01:08:26):
when New zealand Is are faced with the basic question,
who do you trust to strengthen the economy going forward?
The people who got us into the mess with all
of the extra debt and inflation and the rapidly rising
interest rates, or the people have had to do the
hard yards of digging us out of that, who have
actually delivered stable inflation, dropped interest rates and a growing economy.

(01:08:48):
I think they will choose national.

Speaker 3 (01:08:49):
Thanks for letting us know the elections in November much appreciated,
Minister A year or so from now know you said
twelve months minister, So I am listen to that, but
you know.

Speaker 20 (01:09:01):
You know it's not my promise to make though it's
the Prime Minister.

Speaker 3 (01:09:03):
Oh, I know, you don't have to. It was your
mistake to make That's what it was you when you
appointed Andrew Costa. What exactly did you know? Did you
know at that point this is to the Social Development
Agency as Social Investment agency? Did you know at that
point that he had been involved with MC skimming and
that there was the MC skimming affair situation bubbling away?

Speaker 20 (01:09:25):
So he was appointed to the Social Investment Agency in September, Yeah,
and the complaint which the Independent Police Conduct Authority have investigated,
wasn't referred to them until October.

Speaker 3 (01:09:40):
Yeah, but his contract didn't start until November eleven, and
the Minister Mitchell found out November sixth. When did you
find out?

Speaker 20 (01:09:51):
Well, I was briefed that there was the conduct complaint
going on, and around December I was informed by Andrew
Costa that he was being interviewed as part of that investigation.
And it has always been my position and other Minister's
position that that investigation needed to be conducted thoroughly and fairly,

(01:10:12):
and that no one should be leaping to any conclusions
about it until it had conducted its process.

Speaker 3 (01:10:18):
So you were saying, Minister, you weren't told by your
colleague Mark Mitchell anything to do with this until December.

Speaker 20 (01:10:27):
No, what I'm saying is that Andrew Costa informed me
in December that he was being interviewed as part process.
I had, I asked.

Speaker 3 (01:10:35):
When you found out? Right? So when did you find out?

Speaker 23 (01:10:39):
Well?

Speaker 20 (01:10:39):
I you recall at that time was the Public Services
Minister and so as part of that, of course the
mix skimming appointment had been put on hold, and so
I've been informed of the IPCA investigations in that capacity.

Speaker 3 (01:10:55):
Right, And yet so why did you, I mean, why
did we let this opointment proceed?

Speaker 4 (01:11:03):
Which appointment of Costa?

Speaker 20 (01:11:06):
Well, as I said to you, he was appointed in
September and the complaint wasn't made to the IPCA until October.

Speaker 3 (01:11:13):
Yeah, but it's contracted the start till November eleven. So
you could have canned before.

Speaker 20 (01:11:16):
We couldn't have, but ran we couldn't have prejudged what
the outcome of that investigation would be that would not
have been grass, that would have been mutual.

Speaker 3 (01:11:25):
So you knew there was something going on, but you
couldn't You were powerless to do anything about it. Was that?
Were you a bit worried?

Speaker 20 (01:11:32):
I certainly didn't know the conclusions that the report has made.
In particular, I didn't know that information had been withheld
from the Public Service Commission about the nature of mix
Skimming's previous relationships. I didn't know that proper investigation had
not occurred into complaints that had been made. I didn't
know that attempts were made to rush that investigation and

(01:11:55):
indeed our the IPCA to conclude its findings quickly. None
of that was known to me.

Speaker 3 (01:12:01):
Now that you know it, do you trust them.

Speaker 20 (01:12:04):
Now that I know it? I am concerned. As I've said,
I was shocked and appalled when I read the conclusions
of that report. And having read that report, I rang
the Public Service Commissioner to convey my views about its findings.

Speaker 3 (01:12:18):
This UBER decision, the government's going to be legislating in
this area anyway? Does that sort of because there's a
thousand UBER members who are union members who aren't part
of this case, there's only four members part of this
particular case, but it could have wider implications for all
unionized uber drivers. Would you stop that from happening?

Speaker 20 (01:12:37):
Well, we knew that there had been some certainty about
this area of the law, which is why the government
had moved to provide more clarity so that everyone would
know where they stood going forward. The courts obviously have
made their decision, which we need to respect. I haven't
read the full judgment yet, so I can't give you
an interpretation of its full impact. But in general, the

(01:12:57):
government is very reluctant to retrospectively legislate on these matters.
So our position would be about the arrangements going forward.

Speaker 3 (01:13:06):
Carbon price, carbon market. The price of carbon units about
sixty percent of what it was two weeks ago, even
before the government announced a bunch of changes, you know,
decoupling all that sort of stuff. Is this market credible?
I mean, you've got people coming out now saying basically,
just cancel it.

Speaker 20 (01:13:23):
Well, we are committed to the emissions trading system, and
from our perspective, aligning the ets with our domestic targets
makes the most sense and is consistent with the law
which binds us on our mission reduction plans and actually
our decisions are in that nature are working. We're seeing
decarbonization across the economy. We're seeing that we're on target

(01:13:44):
to meet our missions reductions plans, and the ETS is
playing a very critical role in all of that. So
my message back to the market would be that the
emissions trading scheme is central to the government's and mission
reduction objectives and we intend that it should continue to be.

Speaker 3 (01:14:00):
Anything about the warehouse getting into supermarkets.

Speaker 20 (01:14:03):
Oh, that's something that I hear about from people all
the time.

Speaker 3 (01:14:07):
Okay, what have you heard?

Speaker 20 (01:14:10):
Well, I hear people speculating about it, and I always say, well,
the people to ask about their business plans are the
warehouse themselves, not me.

Speaker 3 (01:14:18):
Minister, appreciate your time, Thanks so much for being with
me tonight. That's Nichola Willis, Finance Minister, quarter past Sex
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Six seventeen News Talks. Be nice to have your company tonight. Now,
the Greens are saying they've come out today very strongly
in a strongly worded press statement, World's shortest press release.
By the way, I went and looked on their website
this afternoon and they are going to revoke destructive fast
track mining consents. We are going to rip them up.

(01:14:55):
Save the Greens. Okay, very good. However, when they were
questioned about the today, they said, it's not a bottom line.
We're talking here about coal, hard rock, gold and seabed mining.
How on God's green Earth is the Green Party not
got this as a bottom line. It would be like

(01:15:17):
the Maldi Party saying we're open to talks on the treaty.
You know, this is the basic job of a Green
Party surely is to oppose mining of the seabed and
coal mining, coal mining. How can being against coal mining,
banning coal mining, coming out against fast tracking of coal
mining not a bottom line for a Green Party? It

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is insane six eighteen approaching.

Speaker 2 (01:15:43):
The numbers and getting the results.

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Speaker 2 (01:15:51):
M goodhads used talks that'd.

Speaker 3 (01:15:53):
Be he their credit. I should say that they are
making this announcement before any consensor issue to ensure complete
transparency for any one who might be getting one before
you know basically giving the market it heads up. What
you have to say is the right thing to do.
Maybe that's Kevin Haig, who's their former MP, coming in
to be chief of stuff. Someone growing up in the
room doing something proper. For one six nineteen Shane Sally Harbor,

(01:16:13):
Asset Management, Shane good Evening. Yeah, right, another mixed update
from the warehouse.

Speaker 25 (01:16:19):
Yeah, look, another tough thirteen weeks. This is thirteen weeks
odd number on a to the second. In November they
sales there were six hundred and seventy four million. That
was on the zero point nine percent on the previous
corresponding perier. And if we strip out the number of
stores are open and the number of different days, it
was pretty much flat plus zero point one. So pretty
tough sales environment is continuing for the warehouse. The red

(01:16:41):
seed margins down a little bit, obviously very competitive out there.
They did announce a costs reset program. They're aiming to
reduce their cost they're doing business to below thirty one
percent of sales, down from thirty two point two. But
you know, the market was a bit weirre about it.
Sheep rice that we have ship plosed down the zero
point six pers to seventy nine, seventy nine and a

(01:17:02):
half ashes there on.

Speaker 3 (01:17:04):
Now the PSI is still well. The warehouse might have
groceries to sell soon. We'll have to wait and see
about that. Hey, the ps I number we got today,
so we've got manufacturing on Friday, that's now positive territory great,
but the PSI is still not a bit better, but
still contracting.

Speaker 25 (01:17:19):
That's right. So performance of Services index, it measures monthly
the survey of the services industry. It's really indicator on activity.
If it's above fifty, it means it's expanding this below
to debts contracting.

Speaker 3 (01:17:30):
It ca it increased on.

Speaker 25 (01:17:32):
The octave of month, that went up to forty eight
point seven, up zero point four, so up, but still
because it's below fifty, it's still indicates that sector is
still in tough times. It's still contracting. And you're right,
if we combine the services index with that more positive
manufacturing index last week, we're starting to get to the
point wherend where we're getting some positive indicators. The combo

(01:17:56):
of the two suggests we get economic growth doune to
come through.

Speaker 3 (01:18:00):
Right, We're looking very busy week for market. We're both
here and internationally as well, what are you looking for?
That in video result will be good.

Speaker 25 (01:18:07):
Yeah, that will be a really important way. So we've
gone into this week pretty nervous markets for pretty weak
last week. Symniconductor Manufacture and Video its results out Wednesday
in the US Thursday morning in New Zeign time, and
that provides some real fuel for this AI investment thing.
As I said last week, the US share markers were
dragged down by this tech sector. So really important that

(01:18:29):
in video comes up with an okay sort of an update.
In fact day case, probably not going to be enough.
It will have to be a good update. We've also
got the reopening of the US government. Data coming through
other shutdowns closed shutdowns open, I should say, so this
will give us some more information as to whether there's
inflation data that stops the US Federal Reserve from cutting rates,

(01:18:49):
remembering the markets expecting the feed to keep cutting rights
by about three quarters of a descent. And so on
Thursday in the US Friday morning ze On time, we'll
get the job data out from September CONSENSUSUS for eighty
thousand editions. The risk is it's either too hot to
the five cut and then locally we've got nine companies

(01:19:12):
producing profit results, including companies like Sanford, Circo, Napier, port
Oceania in seven Companies, Filding and your Ginger Meetings precinct
A two Goodman Sky Telly. The big ones key question
for investor is going to be are the green shoots growing?
Are we actually seeing them turn into a decent, juicy crop.

Speaker 3 (01:19:30):
We want to see plenty of green chain. Thank you,
Shane Sally Harbor Asset Management with US Tonight twenty two
after six News Talks Edbig.

Speaker 1 (01:19:36):
Whether it's macro, micro or just plain economics, it's all
on the Business Hour with Ryan Bridge and Mass Motor
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Speaker 2 (01:19:45):
Your futures in good hands.

Speaker 3 (01:19:47):
News Talks EDB six twenty five. We've got a population
update today. In the year to September, arrivals were down
one hundred and thirty eight thousand. Net gain was twelve
four hundred people for the year. Popular growth tracking at
zero point seven percent, So we are growing zero point
seven percent in the last year. That is the same
as the average for the OECD. Now, if you go

(01:20:10):
back to twenty twenty three, so and everyone's like, oh,
it's the end of the world, you know, we're still
growing at average for OECD in terms of population. Twenty
twenty three, we were growing at two point three percent.
The OECD average then was the same zero point seven percent,
so we surged ahead. The only two countries in the
OECD that performed better than us all grew faster than

(01:20:33):
us in that year was Iceland and Canada. So we're basically,
you know, we had a boom. Now we've got a
bit of a slump. It'll come back again. Population right
now five point three million.

Speaker 2 (01:20:45):
There's no business like show business. Half pluck.

Speaker 3 (01:20:54):
If you're going to a Robbie Williams concert, turns out
he may no longer be able to actually see his fan,
to see you in the stands. And the reason is
a bit weird. He's fifty one and he's got rapidly
deteriorating eyesight. Not because he's old, because not that old.
It's because he's taken too much o zempic. He reckons.
He was an early adopter of the drug, said it

(01:21:16):
changed his life completely. Now, he says, when he goes
to a football game, the men running around on the
pitch are just blobs. Very likely from where he's sitting
in the corporate box, that's what they look like. A
zembic advocates online are saying Robbie's personal experience might not
tell the whole scientific story.

Speaker 8 (01:21:34):
Aaron als is looking across the yuppie ones have not
find a clear overall increase in risk, so rate nine
it is a signal being investigated, not approven.

Speaker 3 (01:21:42):
This will do this to youse situation.

Speaker 8 (01:21:43):
I specialists are basically saying, if you're in a yuppy
one and you know to sudden business changes gets you
hot quickly so they can markreat what.

Speaker 6 (01:21:48):
Is going on?

Speaker 3 (01:21:49):
Okay, question is what's the point of being skinny if
you can't see it? You know what I mean? As
you're looking in the mirror after all of the you
know you haven't had a burger in three years. Everyone
says you look amazing, you look fantastic. I've never seen
you look like and then you can't see it, Like
sex with the beautiful person in the dark, what is

(01:22:10):
the point? Twenty seven after six newspapers to.

Speaker 1 (01:22:13):
Eat everything from SMEs to the big corporates, the business
hours with Ryan Bridge and Mass Motor Vehicle Insurance, your
futures in goodhaads news talks EDB want you in.

Speaker 3 (01:22:40):
Seven. You're on news Talk ZB the official final result
of the compted takeover boats being released and as expected,
are not going to happen. This is the proposed takeover
by Florins. It's failed. Forty fifty four point twenty nine
percent of shareholders were in favor. You need seventy five percent.
A struggling Manouka Honey company has to come up with
a plan B pretty quick. It's got sixty million dollars

(01:23:01):
a debt right now that needs to be repaid in
the first quarter of next year. Carl Graydon is CEO
with me now, Carl, good evening, Good evening, thanks having me.
So what's the plan now? How are you going to
pay this debt?

Speaker 26 (01:23:14):
Well, the shareholders have spoken and at the end of
the day, we've now got a business as CEO that
I need to continue to hit the results and deliver
against the promises we've made. That's the first thing we
need to do. And the board is very clear that
they've now got to work with urgency, with both our
lenders and advisors to deliver a plan big so as

(01:23:36):
it expects, they have been thinking about this for quite
some time as a contingency, quite a thoughtful board, and
now the time is to act as a leadership team
to deliver on the results, and the board is entirely
focused on the recapitalization.

Speaker 3 (01:23:51):
You don't sound too worried about this. Is there a
risk the company's going to fall over?

Speaker 26 (01:23:56):
I think that there is always collaboration to be had
with our lending partners. We will be requiring equity going forwards,
and I think that as a result of that, we
need to be always thinking about the future scenarios. We
have a great brand, we have a great shareholder base,

(01:24:18):
and at the end of the day, we need to
continue to deliver on the promise. And the good thing
is in the last few months we have begun to
deliver against the potential of the brand and deliver what
we said we were going to do.

Speaker 3 (01:24:33):
Yes, that's the priority, No question about the brand. The
brand is really strong. How's that recapitalization going to work?
Do you think?

Speaker 26 (01:24:41):
Well, I think it's a little bit early to actually
talk about that with any confidence. We're working alongside our
landing partners. We're working alongside the board to ensure that
all options continue to be explored. They have been working
on this and quite quite some time as a contingency.
We'll be able to put it back to the instex

(01:25:03):
and to your listeners as soon as we have the
clarity on that. But so there is a lot of
work going on behind the scenes.

Speaker 3 (01:25:08):
What options are you talking about, Curent, Well, we will
need to work alongside our lending partners.

Speaker 26 (01:25:14):
We will need to go back out to market and
potentially work on a recapitalization plan. And with that recapitalization
comes a whole series of options which i have not
yet been fully explored. So we'll be working with our
advisors and with our lenders to ensure that the brand
is able to thrive.

Speaker 3 (01:25:34):
Why is there an oversupply or a supply issue with
Honey at the moment?

Speaker 26 (01:25:42):
The post COVID situation really hit the industry quite hard.
We had an oversupply of honey coming out of the
apiaries across the entire country. We had a surge in
high numbers which have since reduced significantly.

Speaker 17 (01:25:59):
And as the.

Speaker 26 (01:26:03):
Global market was looking for natural solutions to boost the community,
they look to Monica Honey and that drove confidence that
that would continue on That growth sold right at the
time as people were investing in additional hives so now
that we're seeing the high numbers reduce and our sales
rates increase, we're actually confident that that is no longer

(01:26:27):
going to be the case. It will work through this
glut of honey we've had in the past, but it's
still overhanging us and I think it will take a
few months for it to continue to flow through the system.

Speaker 3 (01:26:40):
And Conveter will be around for a long time yet.

Speaker 6 (01:26:44):
Well.

Speaker 26 (01:26:44):
Conveter is the number one brand globally in Monica Haney.
We have the best distribution network globally. We have trusted
partners around the world, we have some great aparies, and
we're highly innovative with science based So when you're in
our position, it is our brand that has the reputation,

(01:27:05):
and that's what we're going to continue to invest in.
And we love to be here for a very long time.
We've been here for fifty years and look to continue
to be here for other.

Speaker 3 (01:27:12):
Fifty All right, Carl, Carl, to appreciate your time tonight,
Carl Graydon, who's convinced our chief executive it is twenty
to seven. It's quite crazy if you think about how
little attention that we have to pay to illegal migration
in this country when you compare us to the rest
of the world. You know, everyone talks about the tyranny
of distance. Well, such a bad thing. In the UK,

(01:27:32):
Starmer and Labor are going hard on this. I'll have
more on that in a second. In fact, we'll speak
to Gavin Graney, a UK correspondent, about that shortly. But
farage is basically pushing them further to the right. Look
at America, look at most of Europe. Elbow in Australia
and it's parties on left and right who are getting
hard on illegal migration, which tells you there's an actual problem,
not just a perception of a problem. Look at Chili

(01:27:56):
of all places. You know, Trump says South America is
the root of all of them migration problems. Well, even
in South America, Chile is having problems. They're voting for
a new president at the moment. What's the big issue there?
The one that's got everyone worried and agitated? Gang crime?
Who do they blame illegal migrants from Venezuela. So it
doesn't matter where you go in the world, except apparently
in New Zealand and the South Pacific, illegal migration is

(01:28:18):
the issue Number one or number two next to economy
or behind economy for voters front of mind and think
about that. It wouldn't even register here, would it, Shaban
and mart Mud This is that Ma mood I should
say is the Home sectuary in the UK and this
is how she describes And this is a labor minister

(01:28:40):
describing the situation with their current illegal migration.

Speaker 27 (01:28:45):
It is an issue that is dividing our country and
I see this polarization all over the country, including in
my own constituency. We have a system that is out
of control, it's unfair and it's putting huge pressure on communities.

Speaker 3 (01:28:58):
She's making a big announcement tonight our time, Devin Gray
with details next.

Speaker 2 (01:29:02):
If it's to do with money, it matters to you.

Speaker 1 (01:29:05):
The Business Hour with Ryan Bridge and May's motor vehicle insurance.
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Speaker 3 (01:29:14):
It is sixteen minutes away from seven Given Gray are
UK correspondent with us this evening, Gavin, good evening, Good
morning to you.

Speaker 6 (01:29:20):
Hi.

Speaker 3 (01:29:21):
Now you've got a bigger, big announcement coming from the
Home Secretary.

Speaker 23 (01:29:26):
Yeah, and do you know what this has been so
widely leaked?

Speaker 2 (01:29:29):
Ryan?

Speaker 23 (01:29:29):
As I'm beginning to think we've seen the whole thing already,
but yeah, we're waiting now from the Home Secretary the
latest details of a plan to make asylum seekers are
a much sort of stricter system of how they're managed
here in the UK. We're now finding out that the
Home Secretary plans to impose what are being called Trump
style visa bans on three African countries. In our words,

(01:29:52):
if Angola, Namibia, and the Democratic Republic of Congo do
not start to take back illegal migrants from the UK
who are being deported, then they will face sanctions blocking
their tourists, VIPs and business people from traveling to Britain. Now,
in the past, this is something that Donald Trump has
done in order to force countries to accept illegals from

(01:30:15):
those countries, and the UK and the past has just gone,
oh well you're not accepting them back where you should
accept them back. Ah, well, there's still he is sort
of thing. So now this is a sign that this
announcement that we're expecting a little later today is going
to be much much more far reaching than we thought.
We now hear that people will have to be an
asylum seeker for twenty years before they granted asylum it

(01:30:37):
currently stands a permanent residency. Rather, it currently stands at
five years. And this is all part of this government
showing that it is tough on illegal migration and it
is doing something about it. They are absolutely on the
floor in the opinion polls and no doubt now it
looks like asylum is going to be one of the
big features in the opinion polls for any future election.

Speaker 3 (01:31:00):
Kevin House and Sea, can you look saying all of
this when you've just you know, for the last I
saw it and the stam a few weeks they're beshing
faraj Is are racist for raising the issue and here
they are banning, yes, you know, restrictions on Angola.

Speaker 23 (01:31:14):
Yeah, and here they are doing exactly the sorts of
things he was saying that we should be doing. It's
very very odd, but I think it shows the political
fever that we're in at the moment on this topic.

Speaker 3 (01:31:24):
Absolutely now. Sarah Ferguson former you know Duchess Head a
children's book and scandal comes along, book gets delayed. What's
happening now, Well, it.

Speaker 23 (01:31:35):
Looks like it's been withdrawn from sale all together. At
the moment that we're still waiting actually to hear from
the publisher, who's not responded to any requests for comment.
So Sarah Ferguson's new book called Flora and Fern Kindness
along the Way, initially due to be published on the
ninth of October, then it was put back and Amazon
said it would be available from the twentieth of November,

(01:31:57):
so a couple of days time. But it's now no
longer listed on the website at all, and there are
no plans as yet. It was said to reinstate a
new deadline for it to be released, as I said,
the publisher, New Frontier Publishing, not responding to requests for comment.
Sixty six year old Sarah Ferguson, who of course lost
her title as Duchess when her ex husband Andrew mount

(01:32:19):
Batman Windsor relinquished his use of the Duke of York
title and now sort of stands with a career that
has done quite well in children's books, but sort of
now stands on a precipice. Will she ever be able
to publish again or are the publishers Are the book
world people just saying no, you'r tainted goods, We won't
have you at all? Either way, it's been a nice

(01:32:40):
earner for her in the past, and one wonders how
she's going to make that up in future.

Speaker 3 (01:32:44):
That's interesting. I was as you were talking, thinking, why
would anyone buy a children's book from Fugi. You know,
of all the role models for your children, is that
we you'd point your finger. I don't know, but you
sind she's done them before and they've sold.

Speaker 2 (01:32:57):
Yeah, they have.

Speaker 23 (01:32:57):
But that was, of course before all this scandal broken,
and of course, you know, being tainted with that, it
may make a big impact on her career.

Speaker 3 (01:33:04):
Budgie The Little Helicopter, I'm told is one of her
books that yes, yes, all right. Germany's coalition government agreed
to a new military service plan. This is to boost
troop numbers.

Speaker 23 (01:33:15):
After wrangling, yeah, a huge amount of talk and wrangling
about this, and of course it comes with sensitivity that
Germany should have such a strong army after the World
Wars of the last century. Nevertheless, it's finally got the
go ahead. Now the current number of troops is one
hundred and eighty two thousand. It wants to start military service,

(01:33:36):
so the sudden forcing of young men it's focusing on
at the moment to join the army for a short
period of time as a conscription type thing, and eventually
it could possibly be an army of roughly almost half
a million. That's using two hundred thousand reservists, but they
want to get the regular army up to somewhere over

(01:33:57):
two hundred and sixty thousand over the next ten years,
so they're doing it in stages.

Speaker 1 (01:34:02):
At the moment.

Speaker 23 (01:34:03):
The new military service plan will make it compulsory for
all eighteen year old men to fill out a questionnaire
on their suitability to serve, but then from twenty twenty
seven to undergo medical screening and then in the future
to effectively force those people to join. Slightly different rules
for young women at the moment, but it's certainly a focus.

(01:34:24):
From next year, all eighteen year old men and women
going to be sent a questionnaire and willingness asked about
their willingness to join the armed forces, and it will
be compulsory for men and voluntary for women. Yeah, big,
big questions about German's defense operation with it being such
a low payer into NATO in the past, something that

(01:34:44):
has really caught Donald Trump's eye.

Speaker 3 (01:34:46):
And aire interesting. Thanks so much, Kevin Gavin gray Are
UK correspondent. It's ten minutes away from seven. How hard
would it be to write a children's book anyway? It would?
It not be the easiest thing in the world. I mean,
maybe being all judgment to no idea what I'm talking about.
To be fair, I don't read a huge number of
children's books unless I'm visiting my niece and nephew and

(01:35:06):
you've got to do bedtime duties.

Speaker 28 (01:35:08):
But apart from that, that one by the Duchess of Sussex,
the what is it the park Bench or something that
she wrote that got some very very nasty reviews with me,
that's so clearly it's not like, yeah, not everybody.

Speaker 18 (01:35:18):
Can do it.

Speaker 3 (01:35:18):
But were the reviews from children or were they from adults?

Speaker 28 (01:35:21):
That they may have been from adults, Yeah, Like.

Speaker 3 (01:35:24):
I mean you could couldn't you just sit ak it
in front of the phone book and they'd be entertained?

Speaker 20 (01:35:29):
No?

Speaker 3 (01:35:29):
I mean if you okay, if you put the phone
book with pictures, would they not be entertained? And isn't
it about how when you're reading a story to a cat,
it's about how you do your voice to keep them entertained.
You could read the back of a you know, pick
and mixed jar. I don't know. You could read the
back of a jam jar and they'd be entertained, wouldn't
They aren't kids easy.

Speaker 1 (01:35:51):
Nine to seven it's the Heather Topsy Allen Drive Full
Show podcast on iHeartRadio powered by Newstalk ZBI News Talk.

Speaker 3 (01:36:00):
Said b it's six minutes away from seven I mentioned earlier,
and it's just a personal view. I think the warehouse
is going to get into supermarkets. I just think it
makes sense once you get rid of the stranglehold the
dropoly has on those contracts with the suppliers. Once you
start dealing with that with legislation, you open the field up.
They've got the buildings. Well, it's a no brainer in

(01:36:22):
my mind. But anyway, we'll smait and see what happens.
This text to says Ryan. Here's why that New Zealand
business and the Warehouse others like them won't enter the
grocery market even if they wanted to. They don't have
the right shelves and they don't have the money to
buy them. Also, they can't handle the stock turnover. I
know this. I've worked in the industry for a very
long time. Surely shelves can't be the issue. How much?

(01:36:43):
How expensive is a shelf? You know, how really how
expensive that is? Big al? I don't understand are there
special types? I don't understand texture, your logic. They look
cheap to me. They look like you could push them
if there's nothing in them and they'll fall over. How expensive?

Speaker 28 (01:37:00):
Co hang on, what about those fancy ones that you
get in the produce section where the shelf has like
you know, it keeps all the lettuce and stuff cold.
You know that's not just a shelf like.

Speaker 3 (01:37:09):
A refrigeration unit. Yeah, yeah, it's all yeah. I mean
that's electricity probably upfront cost bit of electricity. But you know,
if you're selling enough.

Speaker 28 (01:37:17):
And you need lots of them, right like if you're
going to put out in maybe waven she isn't the issue.

Speaker 3 (01:37:22):
If our problem is shelving and the reason we don't
have supermarkets is because the shelves are too expensive, that
doesn't make sense. Would be a very New Zealand thing
there would be all right, hey, what are we going
out to.

Speaker 28 (01:37:34):
Ends homes by Deftones to play us out tonight? Good news,
deaft Tones is coming back to New Zealand. They're going
to be playing. Oh it's the first time they've been
back since ten years apparently. So the tickets are on
sale very soon for the twenty first of November. It's
going to be one show at Spark Arena in Auckland.
You will have to get yourself up to Auckland. It's

(01:37:54):
going to be on Wednesday, the thirteenth of May next year,
so a Wednesday as well, so you might need to
get some time off work put into that now. But yeah,
the support one, it's not too bad either. Into pol
And echa vandal for that one.

Speaker 3 (01:38:05):
All right, okay, sounds good and I'll take your word
for it. Thank you and thank you for listening everyone.
Thanks for your feedback. Great to have your company tonight.
Heather should hopefully be back with you tomorrow evening. I'll
be back tomorrow morning on the Held Now show. Andrew
will take care of early edition. Have a great Monday evening.

Speaker 1 (01:39:10):
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