Full Show Podcast: 17 September 2024

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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Pressing the newsmakers to get the real story.

Speaker 2 (00:04):
It's Heather dup c Ellen drive with one New Zealand
let's get connected New stalksa'd be.

Speaker 3 (00:13):
Afternoon. Welcome to the show coming up today. Police have
charged get this, nearly every single member of the common chiros.
We're going to talk to the coppers after five. The
defense has summed up in the Polkinghorn trial. We'll go
to court for that. And one in ten retailers have
been busted selling vapes and segee's to underage kids. I'll
get you across the detail.

Speaker 1 (00:32):
Heather dupicy Ellen.

Speaker 3 (00:34):
Okay, let me say upfront that I do realize that
primary school teachers have got a lot of change coming
at them next year. And I realize that when you're
already working hard, being asked to work a little bit harder,
which is what change basically requires, can be a little tough.
But I think primary school teachers might need to just
take a moment and think about what they're constant complaining

(00:56):
sounds like to parents the latest round of complaining, and
Jesus has been a lot lately, hasn't there from the teachers.
The latest round of complaining is that primary teachers say
they're not going to be ready next year to teach
the maths in English curricula. The math's curriculum is still
not finalized. It will be finalized next month, and the
English one will be finalized finalized sometime in term four.

Speaker 4 (01:18):
Now.

Speaker 3 (01:19):
I don't want to be unkind to teachers. They work
very hard. But I feel like if someone gave me
a new project in October and expected me to start
delivering it in February, I feel like that's enough time.
Do you know what I mean? What's that November, December, January,
February four months as a third of the year. I
feel like that's enough time for me to get my

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head across and I actually, you know, be able to deliver.
And yes, I'd be working extra hours, But you know what,
being a grown up sucks. Sometimes life can be a
little hard, can't it. What teachers need to think about
here is that when they complain about everything at the moment.
On the other side of that debate are a bunch
of parents up and down this country of children who

(02:00):
only get one go at year one, they only get
one go at year two, they only get one go
at year three, and at learning all of the stuff
that you're supposed to learn in that time. So if
the teacher says I'm not ready to teach Johnny maths
the way he should be taught the better way in
year whatever, what that means to the parent is Johnny

(02:20):
is gonna miss out because he's only going to get
one go at year one. And if the teacher is
not ready to teach the maths curriculum in year one properly,
Johnny's not gonna have a crack at it properly. I
will want to stress that I do realize teachers are
working hard, but they are also complaining a lot at
the moment about what is probably going to be positive

(02:41):
change for the education system. They've been complaining about the
maths curriculum. They've been complaining about the English curriculum. They've
been complaining about the NCAA Corequisite exams. They've been complaining
about the phone band, which turned out to be a
raging success. So this is what I think teachers need
to do. Pick your battles, okay, because some of the
stuff you will be right about, but a lot of
it you're gonna be wrong about. Pick your battles, fight
about what matters. Maybe complain a little less because there

(03:03):
are a lot of worried parents in this country who
do not like all of the complaining.

Speaker 1 (03:08):
Heather due for the l nineteen months.

Speaker 3 (03:10):
Here's the text number standard text fees applying. We're actually
going to talk to one of the principles about it.
He'll be with us just after half past five. Now
he's one of the complaining principles. To be fair, Now,
a study out of the Lancet Get a load of
this is warning that more than thirty nine million people
could die of antibiotic resistant infections between now and twenty fifty.
Researchers reckon that increasingly antibiotics are being overused, and they're

(03:33):
being misused. They're causing self and community based harm. John
Bonning as a specialist emergency physician and is with me. Now, Hey, John,
it's the header. Does this worry you.

Speaker 1 (03:43):
Immensely?

Speaker 5 (03:44):
And it has done for some time?

Speaker 3 (03:46):
Are you seeing signs of it already?

Speaker 1 (03:49):
We are?

Speaker 5 (03:50):
Look that restarted was with the mrsa's been around for
a couple of decade. DSBL lots of those are the
terms for the bacteria that are now resistant to standard treatments.
MDRO multi drug resistant organisms are getting more and more,
and I think the prime driver is overuse of antibioticsuse.

Speaker 3 (04:11):
Overuse for I mean, for how do you over use
an antibiotic?

Speaker 5 (04:16):
Oh, they're significantly overprescribed. So research from the UK shows
that around seventy percent of antibiotics prescriptions occur in primary care,
thirteen to fifteen percent a hospital in patients the rest
our patients, dental and the like, and it's felt that
fifty percent of primary care prescriptions are inappropriate given to

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people with things like viral infections, sinusitis, o titis, media, bronchitis,
et cetera, and people who don't seem to necessarily realize
not only they're doing themselves a disservice by over using them,
but it's actually the community resistance that's growing as well.

Speaker 3 (04:53):
Well, you're not supposed to use antibiotics for bronchitis.

Speaker 5 (04:57):
No, Bronchitis is a viral illnes At the heart of material.

Speaker 3 (05:01):
Is that at the heart of it that the doctor
looks at it and goes, you've got a virus, Let
me give you an antibiotic.

Speaker 5 (05:06):
So look, I don't want to impune doctors, in particular
primary care doctors. My colleagues and primary care working very hard.
It's partially pressure from the patient misunderstanding, short consultation times,
and a little bit of a fault of the healthcare practitioners.
We all need to take some responsibility, but the public
and public awareness of this is very, very important.

Speaker 3 (05:27):
The thing about it is, John, I feel kind of
slightly helpless in this as just an individual, right because
being reasonably well informed, I have thought about this affair.
But when I'm getting myself prescribed an antibiotic, is there
anything really that I can do? Or frankly, if the
whole world is over prescribing this stuff, it's going to
affect me anyway. Or is it something at an individual level?

Speaker 5 (05:48):
There is something that at an individual level, and people
need to be open to conversations. I mean, I work clinically,
you know, most days, and I do get a lot
of pressure from patients that really, really really want an antibode.
They say, look, the only reason I'm consulting you today
is I want antibiotics. And you try to explain to them,
this is a virus. This will not be helped by antibiotics.

(06:08):
In fact, you will develop more resistance yourself. You'll add
to community resistance. So we want to change community expectations.
People to have a bit of an understanding what a
virus is, what a bacteria is.

Speaker 3 (06:18):
I guess what. Let me ask this hopefully a little
bit better. So I didn't do a very good job
the first time. Right, even if I was uber careful
with my antibiotics use and never ever appreciate my doctor
into giving it to me when I didn't need it,
I could still catch one of those resistant bugs and die, couldn't.

Speaker 5 (06:33):
I most definitely.

Speaker 3 (06:35):
So there's nothing I can do if the world is
stuffing it up for me.

Speaker 5 (06:39):
Now with the no, there's always something that you can do.
You can work yourself on, because then it does affect individuals.
If you take too many antibiotics for the wrong reason,
you personally will develop resistance, and then you personally will
need to have the high powered antibiotics that have much
greater sotts.

Speaker 3 (06:56):
If I don't take too many antibiotics in my life
and I catch one of those antibiotic resistant bugs, would
I still potentially be able to fight it off?

Speaker 5 (07:05):
Absolutely? We look, they are all still treatable with different antibiotics.
MRSA can be treated with cootramoxazole. You know, clearly there
are superbugs. Some people carry these bugs and are not
harmed by them as well.

Speaker 3 (07:18):
Now, John, are you sure you're not catastrophizing here? And
it's like, we're pretty healthy people for the most part,
and the people who are dying of these superbugs are
kind of sick.

Speaker 5 (07:30):
Yeah, yeah, they are, they frequently, But some very healthy
people are catching illnesses, you know, and COVID with a
post agile for that and getting very unwell with them,
and some people die of me Ninja cockle disease, a terrible,
terrible disease, the pandemic, the epidemic of which has passed.
But yeah, look at and sometimes that's just a freak chance.
So there's always something that we can do as a

(07:52):
population about this.

Speaker 3 (07:54):
Yeah, John, it's always good to talk to you. I
really appreciate your expertise. Thanks mate. That's John Bonding, specialist,
emergency physician. He is right, though, a stop just chucking
the antibiotics in your face if you don't need it.
If it's a virus. I mean, the number of people
in the world who don't know the difference between a
virus and a bacterial infection is slightly alarming, isn't it. Listen,
this guy who tried to take out Trump yesterday, turns

(08:16):
out that lunatic might have been waiting in the bush
for twelve hours for Donald Trump to appear at the
golf course. Never actually saw Donald Trump, by the way,
he never had him in the line of sight because
of just where he was on the golf course. And
I still feel like the Secret Service are coppying it
unfairly because like, yes, he shouldn't have been there, obviously,
the shouldn't underweep the grounds or something like that. But
the guy spotted him or girl whoever and managed to

(08:38):
get rid of him, so at least that's a bit
of winning. The weird thing about this, though, is that
the visit to the golf course was unscheduled. He just
basically dropped in, which raises questions about how the sky
knew that he had to wait there for Donald Trump.
Sixteen past four.

Speaker 2 (08:54):
Digging deeper into the day's headlines, it's Heather Duper c
Allen Drive with One New Zealand on j of Leaf
for Business Talk Sport with the new tab app downloaded
today a bet responsibly.

Speaker 3 (09:08):
Darcy water Grave, host of Sports talks with me. Hey,
does hors of spokes talk? Thanks mate? So Gregor Paul reckins,
we're becoming too tolerant of the all blacks losing.

Speaker 6 (09:19):
What do you think, Well, I'm not about too tolerant.
We kind of have to become tolerant because we're not tolerant.
What happens now?

Speaker 7 (09:27):
Do we just drop our toys and run off?

Speaker 3 (09:30):
I guess the alternative is that you you basically keep back,
call for Razor's head, put pressure on them, you know
me in the street.

Speaker 6 (09:40):
Yeah, it's going to really help. Tell them to get
a haircut. That that that that happens. This is not Robinson.
This has gone on before that. And Gregor makes the
point that during COVID, then post COVID, the results just
haven't been there. So are we maturing as in nation
and except oh we do this, do we go? The
rest of the world have gotten really, really good. The

(10:02):
competitions have changed immensely as where they're helld we're quite
weak in the southern hemisphere.

Speaker 1 (10:09):
Does that?

Speaker 8 (10:09):
Do you accept that?

Speaker 6 (10:11):
Or do you say, right, we used to be world beaters.
We used to be at the forefront of everything.

Speaker 7 (10:15):
We used to be that. Why are we that. Now,
what do we have to do, what has to change?
Is it even possible to change?

Speaker 3 (10:20):
I mean, I think I think the difference this time
around compared to other times we've give coaches a really
hard time is that we know how many years we've
actually sucked and how long it's going to take to
build this back up. We're realistic about that, right. It's
not like Rais has taken a crash hot team and
crashed them.

Speaker 7 (10:37):
No.

Speaker 3 (10:37):
No, they got to the front of the world card.

Speaker 6 (10:40):
You know, it's not that this is a team that
gets beaten by Island at home, it gets beaten by
Urgent at home.

Speaker 7 (10:46):
They're just not that goodness the moment.

Speaker 3 (10:49):
Yeah, and we've been spoiled for.

Speaker 7 (10:51):
How long now, hundreds and hundreds of years.

Speaker 3 (10:54):
Yeah. Look, I think I am I won one hundred
percent sure that he will take us back to glory. Yeah,
but we just have to give the dude a chance.

Speaker 6 (11:01):
But there's so much they as to get into place.
I mean, you talk about and Gregor's going to join
us to night seven o'clock to talk about what's actually
happened to me. You look at the nature of try
Nations or the Rugby Championship as it's called. Now you
look at Super rugby and the lack of South Africans.
You look at the amount of New Zealanders that are
playing in the Northern Hemisphere and what they've gained from
that that we can't have access to that. There are

(11:23):
so many moving parts to this, so I'm interested that
people can go. So you know what, it's all right,
it's okay being second or third.

Speaker 3 (11:31):
Now you were not forever Darcy, just for now.

Speaker 6 (11:34):
Look at South African rugby, right, they were not very
good in between World Cups, but they would in World Cups.

Speaker 7 (11:39):
People are like, yeah, this is fantastic.

Speaker 6 (11:41):
If Raser goes on to secure the World Cup in
a few years time and then stumbles around but then
secures again infused after that, is that cool?

Speaker 7 (11:48):
Or do we have to win everything in between as well?
Every time we win everything in between, do we ever
win the World Cups?

Speaker 9 (11:54):
Not really?

Speaker 3 (11:55):
It raises the man to change that from one hundred
percent that the most winningest coach ever.

Speaker 6 (12:00):
I've got Australia not to make a mess of it.
This weekend called it to six.

Speaker 3 (12:05):
They're going to beat us, you know, yeah, they do.
Imagine if stopped.

Speaker 7 (12:13):
Clocks right, twice a day.

Speaker 6 (12:14):
I mean, every dog is his day, right, this is
going to come back to bite us with you laughing,
please stop cackling.

Speaker 3 (12:22):
Beat us hey very quickly, just because I don't have
a long time running through those Auckland Auckland FC signings.

Speaker 6 (12:28):
A Chilean Cina midfielder called Luis Philippe Geogus, I presume
that's how you say his name, Lewis Starter, a twenty
five year old Belgium and then a guy called Guamo
May who was also a Uruguayan. He's going to be there,
so really international flavors, are they any good?

Speaker 7 (12:47):
No idea now?

Speaker 3 (12:48):
But they bring something else a bit exotics.

Speaker 6 (12:51):
Tell me about four weeks away until it starts, and
they've released a new jersey which I'm sure we're.

Speaker 7 (12:56):
Going to run out and buy, aren't you.

Speaker 3 (12:58):
I don't really buy merch, but you know, if.

Speaker 6 (13:00):
You buys merch, you do because okay, fine, yeah, all right, okay, fine,
besides me by it.

Speaker 7 (13:06):
Yeah, I'll borrow it.

Speaker 3 (13:06):
Thanks, okay. Darcy Watergrave will be back at seven this evening.
Thank you for Sports Talk for twenty three.

Speaker 2 (13:14):
Heather Duplicy Ellen cutting through the noise to get the facts.
It's Heather Duplicy Allen Drive with One New Zealand. Let's
get connected and news talk as they'd be.

Speaker 3 (13:25):
Hey, you know I hate a parking ticket, so how
good is this? In New South Wales. They've changed the
rules so they can't just they can't just see you
parked in the wrong place and issue you a remote ticket.
They got to get out of the cars, They got
to walk up to your car, they got to physically
right out there ticket. They've got to pin it under
your windscreen, just like the good old days. Murray Olds
is going to run us through that. And let's say

(13:46):
about fifteen minutes time now, right now, it's for twenty
six and we need to talk about Tory, don't we
because Tory's got the headlines again. Tory. If you don't
know who I'm Tory is so famous on the show,
she's like sure or Bono doesn't need a second name.
She's just Tory, and you know who I'm talking about,
Tory Faro, mayor of Wellington. Tory says that life has

(14:07):
got very expensive for her. She knows how you're struggling.
She's struggling to.

Speaker 10 (14:11):
I've just sold my car recently to kind of help
pay the bills, and I walk to work again, and
my my mortgage rates have doubled in in the last
few years.

Speaker 3 (14:24):
B S that is BS. I am so prepared to
call it BS on that right now. Do you know
how much Tory Faro takes home every week? Tory Faro
is on one hundred and eighty nine thousand, seven hundred
and ninety nine dollars a year. But let's round that
up right, We'll chuck in a couple of a couple
of ten k. Waiver chucking a ten k. She won't

(14:46):
know this's the difference. That's like not what am I
talking about? Chucking a couple of hundred dollars and it
takes her to one hundred and ninety thousand dollars a year.
She earns one hundred and ninety thousand dollars a year.
That is three hundred and six there's three thousand, six
hundred and fifty dollars a week. Now you take the
ten she is still taking home two and a half
thousand dollars every week. How can you not pay for

(15:09):
your car with two and a half thousand dollars? She
doesn't have she didn't have children, She's got a dog.
She doesn't drink because she's sober. She says she didn't
go out anymore. So what she didn't pay for parking
or petrol ain't gonna car anymore? So what's your spicker? Whatever?
Boy Wellington? Come on now? What kind of poolkis? Is
your mere? Telling the whole country? Headline's next? I can

(15:34):
feel something.

Speaker 1 (15:37):
Hard? Questions strong opinion?

Speaker 2 (15:40):
Ever du for see allan drive with one New Zealand
let's get connected and news talk and said, be now.

Speaker 11 (15:47):
It ain't like I can make this car unless I'm
by myself. Don't bag that, you meself? Pity every week
if you can't tell, they said.

Speaker 3 (15:58):
CMO masonry, Heather, don't you get tory FUNO also won
a nice little earner of one point four million dollars
in lotto in two thousand and two. Jesus, honestly, what
happened to that? Then? Hey, it's twenty years ago. You
think about what you could have done with one point
one point four million. Nowadays, you know, like that'll buy
yellow for bread. But twenty years ago one point four

(16:19):
million dollars would have brought you a pretty flash house
at Auckland.

Speaker 12 (16:22):
You know.

Speaker 3 (16:23):
So what happened to that? Why why didn't that? Anyway,
as somebody said on the text machine, is if she
can't budget her money, how she expected to manage a city,
which I think may have got us to the fundamental
heart of the problem with Tory Fano. But we have
to be tread carefully here. Tread carefully because if you're
two mean to Tory, she's gonna get COVID again, because
it's been at least three weeks since the last time

(16:43):
she's got COVID, so I think would do another installment
of it. Anyway, Listen on some other brilliant news. The
cops have charged apparently nearly every single member of the
common cero's because remember the other day they went into
to Christjution. They just busted the whole lot, like they
busted every single one of them up, arrested every single
one in christ Church. Now they've got almost every single

(17:04):
one in the country. Before the courts. I'll ran you
through the details short. They were going to talk to
the cops after five. Right now it's twenty four away
from five.

Speaker 1 (17:10):
It's the world wires on news talks they'd.

Speaker 3 (17:13):
Be drive so starting in the States where Donald Trump
is laying blame on the Democrats as reason for his
assassination attempts.

Speaker 1 (17:20):
Well, there's a lot of rhetoric going on on.

Speaker 13 (17:23):
A lot of people think that the Democrats when they
talk about a threat to democracy and all of this,
and it seems that both of these people were radical lefts.

Speaker 3 (17:33):
And then he talked about divine intervention.

Speaker 1 (17:35):
There's something going on.

Speaker 13 (17:36):
I've been perhaps it's guard wanting me to be president,
to see this country.

Speaker 1 (17:41):
Nobody knows. But when I turned my.

Speaker 13 (17:42):
Head at an exact navy degree angle, the bullet game
zooming by, and there isn't so much blood, they told
me at the hospital, I said, why so much? The
era is the bloodiest part of everybody because of kriite gledge.

Speaker 3 (17:56):
Meanwhile, Don Junior was having quite the night with his
online talk show.

Speaker 14 (18:00):
Someone who's literally worse than Hitler, someone who's the greatest
threat to democracy ever.

Speaker 3 (18:05):
Civility, Civility and joy. That's the Harris campaign. Everything's joy
and civility. You know that won't buy you your groceries.
It's not even true. They're encouraging this kind of violence.
Those kind of language to Europe, where storm Boris has
called widespread flooding and at least sixteen deaths.

Speaker 15 (18:19):
It's being called a catastrophe. In Poland. Raging rivers and
torrential downpours have swallowed whole towns and villages in the
southwest of the country, Whole swedes of the continent submerged
by some of the worst flooding to hit in thirty years.

Speaker 3 (18:36):
And finally, see the world's oldest person has been honored
on Japan's Respect for the Aged Day, which actually is
quite a good thing to do. I think we need
one of those days. Woman's name is Tomiko took it
tour Orka. I need to respect her actually a little

(18:59):
bit more. She's one hundred and sixteen years old. She's
outlived her husband he Carton in seventy nine. In addition
to being the oldest human alive today, she also ranks
twenty third in the list of oldest humans to have
ever existed.

Speaker 16 (19:12):
Do you budget that Heaven?

Speaker 2 (19:14):
International Correspondence with ends in Eye Insurance, Peace of Mind
for New Zealand Business.

Speaker 3 (19:21):
Murray Old Ozzie correspondents with us Ho muz god I head.
Maybe you have to learn to you yea?

Speaker 2 (19:26):
Are you following this?

Speaker 3 (19:26):
Rupert Murdock succession drama.

Speaker 17 (19:28):
Oh, I think everybody in the Australian media landscape is.
I mean, he's known as the dirty digger. Born in Australia.
But of course, and you know, he inherited News Corp
Australia in nineteen fifty two on the death of his dad,
Sir Keith Murdoch. It was a small business then, only
had a couple of three newspapers. He started in Adelaide,
but obviously he had ambitions far beyond Australia. He moved

(19:53):
to the States decades ago. And now, of course his business,
his business empire's worth tens of billions of dollars now.
Some years ago and the New York Times broke the story.
Australians like ossies who do well. But Rupert Murdoch at
ninety three much married, just got married again a minute ago.

(20:13):
It's just like it's playing out now, this family succession drama.
It's just like a television show. Now he's got four children,
each of whom signed up along with Rupert to what
they were calling an irrevocable family trust. And on Rupert
Murdoch's death, the four children would equally inherit the business.
But now Murdoch wants to change the terms of the

(20:35):
trust to give Lachlan Murdock, his oldest son and apparently
the most conservative of the four children, control of the
company for Rupert beyond the grave. Rupert is making the
argument in a court in Nevada in the United States
that the possibility of great damage being done to his

(20:58):
business empire could occur if it's a three on one
split between the children in terms of the future direction
of the company. He's worried the three lefties, if you like,
Lochlan's brother and his two sisters, will alter the direction
of his company. He's made billions by being a conservative

(21:19):
force in the media. He wants that to continue. It's
all behind closed doors, but there's going to be bits
and pieces coming out and ossie media types are fascinated.

Speaker 3 (21:29):
Does he still get on with the other three who
are challenging him on this?

Speaker 1 (21:33):
Look? Yeah, I don't know.

Speaker 17 (21:35):
I mean, it wasn't so long ago that Lochlan and
his brother James were pretty pretty close and mean, they
were in business together. But in more recent times he's
quit the company James and Lochlan now has taken over.
I just forget Heather exactly what his title is. But
it's I mean, he is the big He's the big
ginner on the on the Murdoch mediate landscape. There's no

(21:58):
doubt about that. That's the exact of the way Rubn
wants it to stay.

Speaker 3 (22:01):
Interesting stuff. Hey, okay, so talk to me about these
parking law changes. Why do these guys I mean, I
love it, but why do they have to get out
of the car and write out the tickets.

Speaker 17 (22:10):
Because you and I I mean, look, everyone gets a
parking ticket from time to time, right, But here's the
thing over here. You get a parking ticket in the
last five, six, ten years, whenever it's in New South Wales,
and you don't get that ticket for three or four weeks.

Speaker 7 (22:25):
It arrives in the mail.

Speaker 17 (22:27):
Now, in that three or four weeks, you've gone about
your business, body, gone overseas, made any number of things
can happen, but basically what's happened. When it arrives in
the mail. You run out of time to make a
complaint and try and challenge the issuing of that ticket.
You might have had open heart surgery. You have to
hop from your car and the state government says, listen,
this is dramatically unfair. And by the way, you rotten councils,

(22:50):
I mean councils a supposed to be according to the
critics about roads rates and rubbish, and keep your hands
out of it, get your hands out of our pockets.
Councils are the ones that collect the money. And haven't
they been having a feast last twelve months one hundred
and fifty five million dollars in parking vines and we
got these fines in the mail. Weeks later the state
government says it's and if it's not fair, you're gonna

(23:12):
have to get out and do it. Currently, parking rangers
are simply driving down the streets with a GoPro strapped
to the front of their car, singing people left right
and said there and in non traffic parking hotspots, they're
just going down there and having a feast before morning tea.
Rat bags, Get out of your car, give us the
ticket and we'll challenge it if we think it's unfair.

Speaker 3 (23:33):
That's right. Work for your money, walk for your money,
get your ten thousand steps, love it, muzz thank you
off Mary. Right, Yeah, jeez, we could do with a
bit of that here, couldn't we. Murry Old Zossie corresponded, jeez,
I hate the tickets. Don't you Heather? Go for Tory.
She's full of bs. She's got a meoral car, poor
Tory and thumbs down. Thumbs down, what of that? Because listen,

(23:54):
let did I throw it away?

Speaker 18 (23:57):
I did?

Speaker 3 (23:57):
Hold on, I'm just going to go through the bin
because I don't want to give you an accuracies. And
you know, if there's one thing that the show relies on,
it's to be completely and utterly accurate every single minute
of the day, lest the BSI have a crack at us.
Here we go, Yeah, I did. I even screwed it up.

Speaker 4 (24:12):
Here we go.

Speaker 3 (24:13):
This is what she said verbatim. However, I just sold
my car recently to kind of help pay the bills.
There's your wriggle word right there, little reggle phrase kind
of help. It's not about paying the bills. I beat you,
she I would. I don't know, but I beat you that.
She has got some sort of a setup going on
here where either there's a meeral car or there's some

(24:35):
meeral you know, transport provides all. She lives so close
that literally you can just walk and should just walk
because you care about the climate because you're a Green
Party person, so there'll be something going on here. It's
kind of helped pay the bills now on the common
Hierros again. So what the cops have said said has
gone on here with the common Cheiros is that they
have been investigating the gang for three years for money laundering,

(24:57):
drunk drug importation and also drug supply. Currently, they found
out the gang had set up like a commission system,
like some sort of some sort of Amway thing that
was going on here where the gang members got five
thousand bucks commission every time they sold a kg of drugs.
That's a fair amount of drugs to sell for your
five thousand, but whatever. Then they use the money to
buy a gang pad, two businesses, and a bunch of gangs.

(25:18):
And they also used the money to pay for a
guy to come into the country to do some military
style training for fifteen of them, which sounds a bit grim,
doesn't it. Anyway, I'm going to talk to the police
officer who busted them up, Greg Williams. He'll be with
us after five.

Speaker 2 (25:31):
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Speaker 3 (25:40):
Forgot I'll tell you what hey, okay, So Mike Mitchell
be absolutely thrilled at what the cops have done.

Speaker 8 (25:48):
With It is incredible when you think you know that
bust that we saw. That total of one hundred and
thirty seven chargers have been laid against the gang members
and their associates. That included seventeen so called office holders,
ten patched members and fourteen gang prospects. So it was

(26:08):
a real round up these Common Heiros, many of them
have come from Australia and we hadn't heard from them
before we heard of five o ones and I've got
to say it was a proud police Minister, Mark Mitchell
who outlined the booty the cops.

Speaker 7 (26:22):
Took from the gang.

Speaker 9 (26:23):
I'd also like to acknowledge your outstanding police force who
announced today the conclusion of three significant operations targeting the
Common Heros operations Scuba, Brewer and Avon. The operations have
seeniorly every member of the Common Heros in New Zealand
face chargers, seized two hundred and six kilograms of methamphetamin,
nine point two million dollars in asset, seized one point

(26:45):
two seventy five million in cash, five properties, fourteen vehicles
and fifteen firearms more than two.

Speaker 8 (26:52):
One hundred was it two hundred two hundred kilograms of
art of drug's name methamphetamen? Absolutely incredible, there was. It
was inter governmental raid, customs, corrections and in lab revenue
were all part of the investigations. The insignia was taken down.

(27:13):
You will have seen from christ Church for their headquarters
in Woollaston. And if anybody ever thought that gangs are
not involved in the drug trade, just have a look
at the slot and they will be. I would imagine
other gangs are similarly involved. Will not imagine. It's pretty
pretty common knowledge.

Speaker 7 (27:32):
That they are.

Speaker 8 (27:33):
So let's hope that the police met out the same
sort of message that they've issued to the common gyros.

Speaker 3 (27:40):
Has Chippy jumped on the plane yet, No, he hasn't.

Speaker 8 (27:43):
He goes on Thursday.

Speaker 7 (27:44):
He's off to the UK.

Speaker 8 (27:45):
Is going to a Labor Party annual conference in Liverpool.
He said he would be taking part in a number
of panel discussions and speaking events at the conferences. Away
for quite a long time. He doesn't get back until
October the first, so he's having a bit of a
time there. Opposition leaders are allowed one big trip a
year and this is it and hopefully for him he'll

(28:07):
learn something from the British Labor Party. He's said he'll
be meeting with think tanks, economists and writers in both
Liverpool and in London where he'll go to after the conference.
But the Prime Minister gave Hipkins lessons and lesson in
economics before he leaves, followed by Winston Peters who basically

(28:28):
added insult to injury.

Speaker 19 (28:30):
How does it start?

Speaker 20 (28:31):
You have an eighty four percent increase in spending, It
drives record levels of inflation, that drives high levels of
interest rates, that puts the economy into recession, that drives unemployment.
That is the history of economics that we've been trying
to articulate to that member and also his former government
about why they got it so wrong. Takes some responsibility.
We are where we are today because of woeful, uneducated

(28:55):
economic management.

Speaker 21 (28:56):
They're on on on Winston Peters as the Prey Minister,
does he not think he should contact UK Prime Minister
Kia Starmer about a visitor who did it come to
his conference and warn them that sliding poles are contagious?

Speaker 1 (29:10):
Rude?

Speaker 3 (29:11):
Hey, what did he say about the polls?

Speaker 7 (29:12):
Actually?

Speaker 3 (29:13):
So it's like he's pretty philosophical about it.

Speaker 8 (29:15):
Well, like all politicians, he'd like to be liked more,
but he's not liked enough. I mean when you look
at the net favorability that's been a big drop for him,
fell sixteen points to minus ten percent, and just thirty
one of the Poles respondent said they had a positive
view of the Labor leader. Now you know, with polling

(29:38):
like that, of course the Labor Party will be looking
over their shoulders wondering what they can do. I'm sure
that Chris Hopkins is seen as a care taker leader
of the Labor Party. Just how long he lasts is
a matter for the party itself.

Speaker 3 (29:53):
It sounds like the party is not going to roll him,
and I think that's the smart thing to do at
the moment. Why would they roll him, Well.

Speaker 8 (29:59):
That's true because they know so that if they go
into the next election, the likelihood is they'll be beaten again,
and so it's better, I would imagine. But then people
are very ambitious in politics heither, and whilst you might
think they do themselves a favor by holding off, many
of them don't.

Speaker 3 (30:16):
Ambition aside, right, they can be ambitious, all they I
can go for it if they want to, but for
the benefit of the Labor Party itself, there's no need
to run.

Speaker 7 (30:23):
Well, no, there's not.

Speaker 8 (30:25):
And the other thing is who is the leader in
waiting in the Labor Party, you know Barbara Head and Edmunds.
I think it could be a good future leader of
the Labor Party. I mean she's got a good labor background.
Her mom died when she was four. She grew up
being brought up by her father on a benefit. She

(30:45):
essentially got into the beehive, not as many do as
in a paracheck of the party. In fact, she was
a private secretary to Michael Woodhouse from the National Party
as Revenue Minister. She's a tax lawyer and was also
working for Judih Colins at one stage when she was
Revenue Minister and they described her as first class.

Speaker 3 (31:06):
And how many children has she got?

Speaker 22 (31:08):
Eight?

Speaker 3 (31:09):
Thank you absolutely, Mary. So that's amazing, very so for
senior political correspondent seven away from five.

Speaker 2 (31:15):
Putting the tough questions to the newspeakers, the mic asking breakfast.

Speaker 1 (31:19):
This time, minister is with us?

Speaker 23 (31:20):
You lead Labor in every single issue now bar poverty.
By one point? Could that indicate that new Zealand appreciates.
But all the wonks in the public service and the
judiciary and the White Tangi Tribunal and all the bloody
universities around the country don't get.

Speaker 24 (31:33):
People appreciate we inherit a hell of a mess. I
think they see that we are genuinely focused and we
are working hard, and we're trying to fix the things
that need to be fixed. People want us to try
and actually do things differently, and I appreciate, you know.
I get pushed back from a lot of things that
people can disagree with me, but we are here to
do the mission, which is to actually turn the country around.
I only regret where to have when this comes to
an end, as we're old enough when the.

Speaker 23 (31:54):
Best fast and that back tomorrow at six am the
Mic Hosking breakfast with the Jaguar Space used talk z.

Speaker 3 (32:00):
Heather on the parking tickets. I got a parking ticket
when I was thirty eight seconds thirty eight seconds over
the thirty minute parking limit by an Auckland Transport warden
who was driving around in their vehicle and just doing
auto tickets with their camera. I support get them out
of their cars. Are fair enough? That would actually rip
your nicety, wouldn't it thirty eight seconds? I thought there

(32:21):
was a grace period. Actually, sure wasn't. After the grace
period as well, that you were then thirty like fifteen
minutes plus thirty eight seconds. Anyway, Amazon Listen is the
latest big company asking workers to go back to the
office five days a week.

Speaker 25 (32:34):
Now.

Speaker 3 (32:35):
It's the latest big company. It's quite a few big
companies are already starting to do this, but it's the
first of the big tech companies, and of all of
the sectors where you think that you could probably you know,
stay home and kind of fiddle around in your computer
while baking a cast roll and doing the dishes and
putting a wash on. It would be where you're basically
working for somebody like Amazon, just you know, doing your

(32:56):
little little nerdy work there, little nerdy computer stuff. No,
I said January the second, here's your heads up. You're
coming into the office five days a week. Used to
be three days a week. And the reason, apparently is
because they say when they look back over the last
five years, they continue to believe that the advantages of
being together in the office are significant. Not a surprise
to me that we have reached this place where even

(33:18):
the likes of Amazon are now telling people to come
back to work because I think I mean come. It's
human nature, isn't it. We are group animals. We're not
supposed to be by ourselves. It's unhealthy for us. So
you've got to get people in and they motivate each
other and work hard. But also human nature means if
you're staying at home, you are going to slack off.

Speaker 25 (33:34):
We all know that.

Speaker 3 (33:35):
We'll talk to the huddle about that later. Cops next
on how they busted up the Common Heroes.

Speaker 2 (33:44):
The only drive show you can trust to ask the questions,
get the answers, by the facts and give the analysis.
Heather due to Clan Drive with One New Zealand. Let's
get connected and you talk as they'd be.

Speaker 3 (33:59):
Afternoon. Nearly every single member of the Common Heiro's gang
in the country has been charged by police. This is
the result of a three year investigation into money laundering,
drug importation and drug supply. Detective Superintended Greg Williams is
the director of the National Organized Crime Group. Pay Greg, Hi,
how are you very well?

Speaker 1 (34:16):
Thank you?

Speaker 12 (34:17):
Listen?

Speaker 3 (34:17):
How much of a blow is this to a gang
like this?

Speaker 1 (34:21):
Oh? Look, this is huge.

Speaker 12 (34:22):
You know, they as I said, we basically have focused
on the hierarchy, so that's all the leadership of the gang.
Plus now they're in patch members, so they're all Patch
members or of them, so forty one members and all
out of a total of ninety two. So yeah, this
is a significant impact on what we say as the
organized criminal enterprises that they are engaging in.

Speaker 3 (34:44):
Just because they've been charged, greg doesn't mean that they
can't carry on with their underground, underworld activities. So how
much how much is it actually stopping what they're able
to do?

Speaker 12 (34:57):
Well, Well, that's a complex question and isn't it in
the sense that we tend to find these groups I
use the word relentless, you know they yep, we're charging them,
we're putting in prison and the sense of that, but
they continue to be relentless but focus on the common
charas here sort of follows quite a big piece of

(35:18):
work done across Australasia on the common Saros and that's
primarily because as we said, you know, they made it
very clear they want to be the number one gang
in the world and probably the biggest stage that they
have for us is that big transnational link that they
have across the world where you know, they can have
access sourcing significant quantities of various drugs. So you know,

(35:41):
it still disrupts the ability for them to be able
to bring that into the country and run it through
you know, the systems and structures they had set up
across the country.

Speaker 3 (35:52):
Listen, what about this military style training that they put
a whole bunch of their members through. Who did they
bring in from overseas to do that?

Speaker 12 (35:59):
Yeah, look, we've mentioned it, but we've they're out here,
I explained to our listeners as this is not currently
a sort of a trial by media here, you know,
so that's all has to be proved in the court.
So we've want it very careful when we make the
release about what we're saying. So when we say we
can't really go into much more detail about that, we
can't because it really has to run through the court process.

(36:22):
But I'm sure the listeners understand what we mean by
that are the process and it's sort of just as
we sort of said earlier today, it's part of the
overall sort of message at the contra is given about
being the number one gang in the underworld in New
Zealand And they intend to use violence to make sure

(36:42):
that they actually are the number one game, So it
reflects their thinking. That's probably the chilling point that comes
out of this.

Speaker 3 (36:51):
Greg, I'm loving the crackdown that you guys are doing
at the moment on organized crime. Are you loving it
as much as I am?

Speaker 12 (36:58):
I'm very lucky. I have a ravery action group of
people that work under me, and the beauty of the
National Nice Crime Group we've got, you know, we're right
across the country now and that means that we can
really see and understand those national processes running and that's
been a great highlight of probably this particular investigation of

(37:19):
linking that. Plus we've also really focused on building our
capability to be able to investigate red complex money laundering
because it's critical to every investigation we do. So yeah,
it's an on I mean, look, this is this is
one of many awesome investigations that National Nized Crime Group
has done this year. You know, this is not our

(37:40):
only focus, but it just shows the breadth of the
work that guys are capable of.

Speaker 3 (37:44):
Greg really appreciated, well done, Thank you so much. It's
Greg Williams, the detectives and superintendent and director of the
National Organized Crime Group here the duplessy Ellen Philip Pulkinholm's
defense lawyer has started wrapping up his defense in the
High Court in Auckland. Today. Ron Mansfeld called the Brown's
allegation that Polkinghorn had murdered his wife insulting.

Speaker 26 (38:04):
This has been a trial prosecuted by emotion, and where
the victim is logic, Logic is evidence based, it's reliable,
it is sound. A trial run by emotion allows our
murder mystery fantasies.

Speaker 1 (38:24):
To run wild.

Speaker 3 (38:26):
He reminded the jury that this is not a court
of morals and cautioned them to judge Polkinghorn based on
the not based on his use of sex work as
a myth. Now, George Block has been at the trial
for the last two months and is with us. He George, Hi, Heather,
what was insulting about that?

Speaker 16 (38:41):
Well, Mansfield there really picked up where Crown's luster Alsia
McClintock left off. She said Polkinghorn blamed his wife for
a lot in her life and we're belittle alert and
it was the final insult to her for him to
blame her for her own death. Mansfield came back and
said it was actually Pokinghorn, who had a lot insults,

(39:01):
starting with police not having an open min when they
visited his home in Upland Road in twenty twenty one.
Those insults continued when they interviewed him for four hours,
not telling him he was a suspect that afternoon and
not telling him they had launched a massive investigation at
his home and they continued Ron Mansfield case. He says
when it went public in the media that the death

(39:21):
was unexplained. He's a specious and he sort of, in
Mansfield's words, became a prior because of that fact, and
he became isolated over those sixteen months before he was charged,
which was another insult. That's sort of where he was
going with that.

Speaker 3 (39:34):
Right now, he has said that that Polkenhorn deleting is
WhatsApp messages was entirely understandable.

Speaker 16 (39:39):
How so that was interesting. Yeah, So Polkinghorn deleted his
messages with Sidney Escort Medicine Ashton right after the interview
on April five, and Mansfield said that was just because
he didn't want that to become public, you know, if
it was going to be this s boog investigation. He
didn't want his extramarital liaisons to become public fodder. There
was all so the search for leg edema after strangulation,

(40:03):
which McClintock said basically revealed the murderer. And Mansfield explained
this by saying that was the day of the autopsy
and he still wasn't getting any information, and his client
was simply wondering why he was still a suspect. Whether
this could have been a reason, like how her legs look,
whether that could have meant that he was being treated
as a suspect.

Speaker 3 (40:23):
Now, Ron Mansfeld's made the point, it seems to be
something that he's relying on that Hanna's body showed no
signs of struggle or injuries that were consistent with murder.

Speaker 16 (40:31):
Right, that's really the core of his closing. He says
he's got the pathology on his side. He says she
had a few non specific injuries, but all the pathologists
just said she died by a net compression, leaving the
door open to either hanging or strangulation, but definitely the
door wide open to the hanging, he says. He says
that the bruise on her temple could have been her

(40:54):
sort of fumbling around trying to hang herself. And the
bruise on the right arm while it looks like four
fingers if someone gripping her. Wise there no thumb mark,
and he says it could have been made by a
pathologists transporting her body after death, or by someone steadying
her at a personal training session for example. So he
says the injuries are not nearly enough for the amount

(41:14):
required if they were the sort of defensive wounds that
you'd expect in a violent strangulation like getting DNA under
the fingernails, for example. All her acrylic nails, he says,
were in place when they did the autopsy, and that shows,
he says, that there was no struggle consistent with the
violent assault.

Speaker 3 (41:28):
George, it's good to talk to you. Thank you for
running us through and appreciated that. George Block, the Herald's
court reporter who's been in there for the whole two months.
Jury is start as expected to start deliberating tomorrow afternoon.
Now I need to get you across the extraordinary number
of kids who've been sold underage kids who've been sold
Siggi's and vaps. Will do that next quarter past byd reckons.
It's going to take a bite out of the ute market.
With the world's first super hybrid ut Now this thing

(41:51):
is called the BYD Shark six and just wow, I
mean this actually raises the bra I had the pleasure
of actually driving one of these prototypes at BYD HQ
just few weeks ago. I'll tell you what this really
means business. It's got two electric motors, It's got a
petrol engine which combined actually puts out as much power
as an equivalent four LE to V eight. We are
talking plenty of grunt, but without any of the guilt.

(42:13):
It's got one hundred k's on EV only mode and
then it's got another seven hundred k's in hybrid mode,
which means you never have to worry about range anxiety.
So if you want to get your hands on a
BYD Shark, you are going to need to register your interest.
There is just one shipment, one shipment of these things
landing before Christmas this year. So if you want to
be the first to hear more when the pricing is

(42:33):
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c Allen nineteen past five. Now one in ten retailers
get a load of this. Who sell vapes and Siggies
have been busted in a sting selling to kids under eighteen.
In July, Health New Zealand sent some underage volunteers into

(42:53):
six hundred stores to try to buy the vapes and
the Sigies. Sixty three of them were caught selling it. Now,
Joe Pugh is the complying as manager at the National
Public Health Service. He Joe, you got a Joe. Do
you know what proportion of these were cities and what
proportion of these were vapes?

Speaker 27 (43:09):
It would be a mixture, but we mostly did compliance
visits on retailers for vape.

Speaker 3 (43:17):
Okay, how do you feel about the fact that ten
percent of them were busted?

Speaker 27 (43:22):
Actually were really pleased that most of the retailers refused
to sell to one of our young people. However, it
is really disappointing that over sixty retailers of our six
hundred that we visited did actually sell to a minor
So very disappointing and as a result, we sent out
more infringement finds of five hundred dollars in this month

(43:43):
than we have ever before.

Speaker 3 (43:46):
It seems ten percent non compliance seems really high to me,
doesn't it to you?

Speaker 27 (43:52):
Ten percent I think is it is high, and it's
definitely why we're having a strong focus on youth vaping
and smoking at the moment. It's incredibly disappointing that retailers
are putting their profits so over the health and well
being of our atality, our children.

Speaker 3 (44:10):
Do you think that the problem here is that there
aren't enough enforcement officers, so these guys feel like it's
worth taking a risk.

Speaker 27 (44:19):
We've been focusing on visiting retail as the compliance for
some time and we are about two well. We have
been ramping up our work in that space, so I
think it is a range of factors and we couldn't
just put it down to the enforcement offices we have.

Speaker 3 (44:38):
Joe, thank you. I really appreciate you having a chat
to us about this. Is Joe Pugh, the compliance manager
at the National Public Health Service. Listen, these guys are
really keen for the public to actually report anything like
this happening because obviously they aren't enough enforcement. There obviously
aren't enough enforcement officers, So basically they're asking that if
you see anyone selling vapes or cigi's to underage kids,
you need to report it to your public health I

(45:01):
have had dealings with the Public Health Office. And let
me tell you, if these people running the country, we
would be efficient. They mean business and they know how
to do it. Twenty one past five.

Speaker 2 (45:10):
Digging deeper into the day's headlines, it's Heather Duper clan
drive with one New Zealand let's get connected and newstalks.

Speaker 1 (45:18):
That'd be Heather.

Speaker 3 (45:19):
I'm a teacher and all we need to do is
follow the new structure. I don't know why this is
such an issue. Otherwise, let train maths and English teachers
teach it. That plenty of us who still can't get job.
I thank you for saying this. This new curriculum that's
being released for next year, literally is like, here's the curriculum,
teach it. What's the problem? It's you don't have to
write it yourself, you just have to take it and
teach it. Anyway, We're going to talk to one of
the teachers who not actually a principle, not terribly happy

(45:41):
about it. He'll be with us just after the news,
which is coming up shortly right now. It's twenty four
past five. Now, the more I hear about the shape
of the next Commonwealth Games, the more I think you
had better enjoy these Commonwealth Games because it might well
be the last one. It turns out now that they're
going to cut the number of sports at the Commonwealth
Games if this thing is even held in Glasgow in
two years, and that's still of that, but if it is,

(46:03):
they're going to cut the number of sports to about
half the number of sports they were at the last game.
So last time it was twenty one sports, next time
in two years it might only be ten maximum thirteen.
It's only doable because the Ossies are paying a multimillion
dollar penalty to the Scottish to basically help them host it,
and then there's some private money to get it across
the line. And they're also using venues that were already

(46:25):
there because they hosted the Games ten years ago. So
you can see all of these things make it feasible, right,
but only just, and only if they cut the number
of sports. Even if the Scots do sign for twenty
twenty six, there is no one signed for twenty twenty thirty,
and there's no one signed for twenty twenty thirty four.
And I think almost the most sobering thing about all
of this is that outside of the UK, two countries

(46:49):
have hosted the Games an equal number of times, and
for the most number right, it's Canada and Ozzie. So
the UK's hosted it like nine times in its history.
Canada and Ozzie have hosted the Games five times each.
Australia just pulled out of hosting it in twenty twenty
six and Canada just pulled out of hosting it in
twenty thirty. Now, if the two countries that have hosted

(47:10):
it the most number of times outside of the UK
and only done it because they're basically the richest countries
in the Commonwealth, if they even don't want to host
the Games anymore, what does that tell you about the Games?
It tells you that these games are on life support
big time. So if you love the Commonwealth Games, get
yourself to Glasgow in a couple of years time, because
these games might not survive any longer than that, and
even if they do, they might be so scaled back

(47:32):
in the future. Whatever survives might be such a shadow
of itself that I don't know that it's going to
be the Commonwealth Games of Old at all together.

Speaker 1 (47:40):
Du for Clen, Yeah, what would you.

Speaker 3 (47:43):
Ditch by the way, from the common you definitely ditch
the volleyball, wouldn't you, And like the table tennis who
and the power power lifting I'd probably get in the
lawn bowls I'd get I get rid of all the
team sports. To be honest with you, this is not
I feel like you've got to go for the individual
achievement of the track and field, and then maybe you've
got something going and even then it's just kind of

(48:03):
a crappy version of the Olympics, isn't it. Okay, AUT,
Now you'll have caught up on this by now. It's
been revealed today that AUT is still using race based stuff.
Of course they are. What they do is in order
to assess whether an academic gets to go to a
trip or not overseas, they have like a whole bunch
of tech boxes that they have to fill in. So
the prestige of the conference is one, you get points

(48:25):
for that, how far you're going as another, you get
points for that, what the cost is, the risk of
the travel, who the trip should be funded by, blah blah,
heead points for all of those things, and then finally
you get points if you are Maori or PACIFICA. Now
guess who is on our show. Later, the AUT Chancellor one,
Rob Campbell, and I cannot wait for Rob to come

(48:45):
and tell us how great this is and why we
should continue with it. So stand by. He's on the
huddle headlines.

Speaker 2 (48:50):
Next, the day's newsmakers talk to Heather First, Heather duper
c Allen drive with One New Zealand let's get connected
news talk Ze Beds standing by.

Speaker 3 (49:18):
We've got fellow Riley and Rob Campbell with us this
evening after six o'clock. We're talking about building insulation. There's
a bruhaha developing here. I'm going to run you through
the details. And ozempic. Now you know about ozembic. Everybody's
taken the ozembic, Oprah's taken the Osempic. They all are.
And because ozembic is doing so well internationally, there is
a key wei company that's actually kind of writing on

(49:39):
the coattails of that and doing well as well. They
are called Callo Curb and it's kind of like I
think they pitched themselves a little bit as kind of
a natural alternative to ozebic, right created Ozemba cread and lab.
These guys developed with help of plant and food and
so on and naturally reduces cravings and stuff. Anyway, they're
going to talk to us about this success story after
half past six. Right now it's twenty f bore away

(50:00):
from six ever do for CLS, So we have more
concern from teachers this time. They're worried along with principles,
that they're not going to be ready next year to
teach the new primary school maths and English curricula. Lemon
would grow. Principal Bled Dravitsky is with us now.

Speaker 19 (50:14):
Hap lan o curly, how are you well?

Speaker 3 (50:16):
Thank you? Are you worried you're not going to have
enough time?

Speaker 1 (50:20):
Yeah?

Speaker 19 (50:20):
The worry is the pace of implementation. That's a big
concern at the moment.

Speaker 3 (50:23):
Okay. So let's say with the maths curriculum, that you
get given the curriculum in October and then you need
to teach it in February. How is that not enough time?

Speaker 19 (50:33):
Yeah, we're not opposed to the strengthening our curriculum. That
we're okay with. It's the fact that we're running two
curriculums at the same time. So it's the English and
the maths curriculum being I guess required to be implemented.
Skills of different sizes don't have the staff to spread
the load it would be on you know, probably a
couple of people to not only upskill but also to

(50:56):
implement these documents of which you know had some valid
valid points and some required required movement in regards to
these two curriculrians.

Speaker 3 (51:05):
What you mean, because because in primary school you don't
have specialist teachers, right, it's it'll be, it'll be. Missus
Smith is teaching English and missus Smith is teaching maths,
and now she's having to learn the whole new curriculum
for both of them.

Speaker 1 (51:16):
Correct, spot on.

Speaker 3 (51:17):
Yeah, but again I mean, isn't it being provided like
she didn't have to write the curriculum this time around?
Is being provided to her. She just needs to teach it.
What's hard about it?

Speaker 19 (51:27):
So at the moment the consultation period, all we have
is that I guess the expectations, so we know what
the content is going to be, but we actually don't
yet know how it's going to be delivered. We don't
have the teacher notes, even though there's an area in
the document to say that they are coming, so we
don't yet have that information to consult on, and we
also don't have that information to work with our teachers.

(51:49):
To up skill around that. So you talk about October,
that's less than two weeks away. The consultation period for
I think it's English doesn't close till the sex of October.
So again we're pushing into the end of the year
without kind of the full picture in regards to what's
required of us.

Speaker 3 (52:06):
But Blair, if the math's curriculum lands in October, that
gives the teacher four months, which is a third of
a year to get her head across and her has
or her head over it in order to be able
to teach in February.

Speaker 1 (52:19):
Four months is.

Speaker 3 (52:19):
Heaps of time.

Speaker 19 (52:22):
Yeah, there's also a requirement of teacher workforce and well being.
And although I know that the arguments usually that teachers
get lots of holidays, they also get time over the
over the Christmas break, as to all other professions, to
ensure that they are very much they get over Blake,
we usually finished about the nineteenth December, twentieth to December,
and then we come back about the early early or

(52:46):
sorry in mid January in regards to kind of be
set up and the implementation of the physical environment before
we come back to teacher.

Speaker 3 (52:52):
Yeah, so if they take a month off over summer,
they're still got three months to get rid of that's
heaps of time.

Speaker 19 (52:58):
Yeah, I disagree to be us with you. It's a
both documents over one hundred pages long, and it's not
just one school, it's it's lots of schools at different
stages of the curriculum. So for us at Lemonwood, we
have a big staff, we would be able to spread
the support and implementation across so we've got leads in
those areas, but lots of other smaller schools don't have that.

(53:21):
They don't have the capacity. We're in a workforce that's
currently strugging to attract teachers. We can't get relievers, so
therefore we're in a position where we're kind of already stretch.
So what's going to end up happening is that there's
going to be another another set of teachers basically going well, Actually,
this is in the two hard basket at the moment,
and pressure will tell in landing.

Speaker 3 (53:42):
Does the teacher have to get across the entire one
hundred page document in February or can they just break
it down in chunks and go there is I don't know,
let's say forty forty teaching weeks.

Speaker 19 (53:52):
And we vibe absolutely. I mean, you make a good
point and that's probably something that we're working towards. So
we would love for the mass curriculum to remain in
consultation for next year so we can actually have a
go at delivering the thing, so we can actually go
put through it and go, well, actually, this is what works,
this is what doesn't work, rather than kind of setting
it in stone from day one.

Speaker 3 (54:12):
From the sounds of things, the Minister's office is kind
of chill about the fact that you guys are not
going to get it bang on in the first year.
But even if you just did a little bit of that,
it would be an improvement on what's going on at
the moment. So is that an approach to perhaps take.

Speaker 19 (54:27):
Yeah, I mean, if it remains in consultation, then we
could feedback and I guess the reality of what it
looks like on the ground would be seen. At the moment,
we don't have the teacher notes, so we actually can't
feedback on what the curriculum is going to look like
as a whole. The consultation is currently based around the
I guess, the achievement objectives. So therefore we want to
be able to go, hey, look this bit work really well.

(54:50):
This bit didn't work at all. But if it's set
in stone and therefore it's kind of like a you know,
the consultation's finished and the document is in place, we
run the same risk of going, well, actually, people going
to teach to the test, I guess to some degree,
and not actually improve on the current baseline. I guess
what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (55:06):
You know what, Teaching to the test doesn't sound like
a bad idea, because if we're getting tested on what
we know, then teaching to the test like and what
we need to know might actually be Okay, Blair, thank
you appreciate a Bleddrovitsky lemon would growth principle hither I'm
a primary school teacher. We can do these curricula easy,
Bring them on, Rob. I keep getting told that the
vast majority of teachers are actually on board. It's just
the unions that are a problem. And I truly hope

(55:26):
that that is the case. Nineteen away from six the Huddle.

Speaker 2 (55:29):
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Speaker 3 (55:34):
I'm huddled with me this evening. We have got Rob
Campbell auc Chancellor, former Health end Z chair and also
fellow Raley Iron Duke Partner is a former Boss of
Business New Zealand. Hello lads, hey go well thank you Phil.
Does do the teachers and the principals have a point
or are they maybe wining a little bit much?

Speaker 22 (55:50):
I think it's important to understand teachers do actually work
pretty hard, so I've got some sympathy with that. But
if you're going to make a change, make a change.
I thought I thought the interview would interview easier made
a good point about it, but keeping keeping those feedback
loops open because as you launch this thing, maybe things
don't work so well in some areas and say some
people and I'm sure work on the basis officials and

(56:10):
the Minister will be up for that. But we didn't
need to move on and make change because what will
happen is we'll go another year and say, oh we're
not ready yet, We're not ready yet, and we have
another couple of years of leakage. So the other thing
is that this hasn't come out of the blue. This
has been underway for some time now. So and it's
useful also that the both of the review all saying
we hate the change. They're just saying we need to

(56:31):
make sure it works. So I think with a bit
of good will we can move on and get there.
But I certainly would do it next year.

Speaker 3 (56:36):
Yeah, what do you reckon, Phil rob I'm with Phil
on this one.

Speaker 4 (56:40):
Well, I didn't think there's any great hurry for it. Personally.
It's better if you're going to make a curriculum change,
which is a critically important development and education, the people
have got the time to debate it, to think about it,
to prepare for it. It's not just a matter of
pressing a button and chundering it out to your students
and hoping they absorbed. But there's a tea bit of
thinking to do about how to teach it. It's not

(57:01):
simply what's the content of the paper?

Speaker 3 (57:03):
So right, but it's just primary school.

Speaker 4 (57:06):
Well you must such one.

Speaker 3 (57:08):
To one plus one is two, you know what I mean.

Speaker 4 (57:10):
Well, you wait till you try and do young edgies
primary school work. You might find it you might pump
out to bit harder than your magic. But Peter Gudgy
is quite important at these young ages, and it does
need preparation. It's not simply a matter of reading out
the curriculum. I'm hoping it sticks on the kids' kids.
So I think it's undervaluing what the teaching profession does

(57:31):
to some extent, not to give some time to prepare
for this and to make sure we're teaching it well on.

Speaker 3 (57:37):
Our Well, I feel like I've got to push back
on you on this because you said there's not that
much of a rush. But for a parent whose child
is in primary school and who's not getting a decent
education right now, they only get one crack at it,
it might feel like there's a bit of a rush.

Speaker 4 (57:50):
Well, it might preload is a bit of a rush,
but I'd contest that they're not getting a decent education.
The clearly are issues with curriculum. I think teachers pretty
much all agree ab now that there are issues in
many schools about how it's been taught. Yeah, but don't
solve that just by pressing about and saying, okay, Ryan,
line up back over there and teach this new list
of things. It's more, it's there's more to it than

(58:12):
that teachers are actually trained professionals and should be regarded
and treated, not just they're not just a means of communication.

Speaker 3 (58:20):
Yeah, do you ever do you want to write a
reply here, Phil.

Speaker 22 (58:22):
Oh No, I think I sort of half with Rob.
I mean, but I think you can do it. I
think you can't make the change so long as there's
a good feedback. Look for those teachers to come back
and say, actually, this but it's not working. Do we
change it for next year?

Speaker 7 (58:33):
Yeah?

Speaker 22 (58:34):
But to delay the whole thing is I think is
we didn't move on. There's an urgency about this government
I think is right, and you know that the risk
is worth the table, it was worth the effort. I think. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (58:44):
I tend to agree with you as a parent. I
just want to see this thing get a ring along,
all right, we'll take a break, come back very shortly.
It's quarter two with the huddle. I go back on
the huddles.

Speaker 2 (58:50):
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Speaker 3 (58:56):
And do you pause for one second. I'm going to
get in there. I'm gonna do it for you. Sharpen up, mate.
If he wants to retain the job for the next month,
he's going to have to get faster with it. A yeah, yes,
not primary with New.

Speaker 1 (59:07):
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Speaker 3 (59:11):
Like my it's all right. Back with the huddle. We've
got Filerali and Rob Campbell. Okay, Rob, listen, you're the
chancellor of aut I want you to explain to me
why are staff members ethnic that he should determine whether
they whether they get an overseas trip or not.

Speaker 4 (59:25):
I'm going to have to explain it to you. That's
not what determines that. There's a whole series of factors
that go into determining the allocation of mine. It's part
of it. There's a whole series of requirements that are
imposed on staff to meet that, and staff do travel there.
But it's part of the normal university work. And we

(59:45):
have issues as every university does in terms of how
Mari and Pacific Island staff are developing and coming through
to the right sort of numbers, just as we do
with students, and we have pro grams to support that.
It's based on meaning the need for support.

Speaker 3 (01:00:04):
So some of the some of the qualifications, some of
the things that would qualify them for the trip as
the prestige of the conference, how far the going with
the cost is the risk of the travel, who the
trip would be funded by, but also their ethnicity. So
you could essentially have an Asian teacher and a pacifica
teacher who are both going to exactly the same trip,
and based on how the criteria stack up, maybe only
the PACIFICA person goes because of their ethnicity.

Speaker 4 (01:00:26):
Yes, well that's a purely theoretical hypothetical example. Well it's
your example, not mine. Has anybody said there is such
a trip?

Speaker 1 (01:00:37):
What?

Speaker 3 (01:00:37):
No, I'm just using you, I'm using your criteria.

Speaker 4 (01:00:41):
It's a purely hyptic.

Speaker 3 (01:00:42):
Very defensive about trying to justify your criteria here.

Speaker 4 (01:00:46):
Rob, Well, they're not my criteria. I'm chancellor of the university.
Criteria developed to support staff for all different types in
different situations. This is one which applies. I don't think
it's remotely unusual. There'd be plenty of similar things in
businesses all around the place, and universities, after all, independent organizations.
So I really don't think there's anything here. At least

(01:01:07):
someone can show that they've been prejudiced by that by
some situation.

Speaker 12 (01:01:11):
I don't believe you.

Speaker 3 (01:01:11):
Can say it weird. Okay, what do you reckon film?

Speaker 22 (01:01:15):
Well, lectually, I'm going to be a controversial support Robie.
I actually think about.

Speaker 3 (01:01:19):
It that you've spend too long in Wellington's.

Speaker 22 (01:01:22):
When if it's probably I mean it's probably put uncomfortably
in the way that the university talks about it. But
the short point is that we need more Marim Pacific academics.
We need them to be supported. And part of the
support for any academics, anybody with this salt is to
do some of the international stuffs. Are very very important
that New Zealand does that. So it's probably put rather uncomfortably.

(01:01:43):
But if it was put like I want to make
sure that we get more more academics from non traditional
backgrounds to do these overseas trips and actually learn and
to engage globally, then that's a good thing. So it
might be uncomfortably worded, but I agree with the premis.
I agree with the idea.

Speaker 3 (01:01:58):
So if David c More was an aut academic, he
would get to go on these trips more than more
than you know they're the Asian and Indian and Pacific
equivalents because he's Mari right.

Speaker 22 (01:02:09):
But I think by the point where I'm making is
is not just that because the conference and so on,
this is.

Speaker 3 (01:02:16):
The problem with these things, is that he you we'd
be giving him special trips to help Mary academics. But
the guy, I mean, do you see where I'm going
with this? He doesn't need assistance.

Speaker 22 (01:02:27):
What actually he does because what you want is that
is that academics not talking about David seymore. We're talking
about academics who are We're trying to get more Marian
Pacific academics. That's a good thing. Why because demographics say
they'll be more Marin Pacific kids. We need, we need
them to succeed otherwise, you know, the country will go backwards.
So we actually need to lean into this. It's how

(01:02:47):
you do it that's the issue. And sometimes these kinds
of policies are uncomfortably weirded, as clearly this one is.
But the general idea, do you want to help these
academics from up and non traditional backgrounds think I'm more
most technic globally is a good idea.

Speaker 4 (01:03:02):
Yeah, Okay, what we're going to say, Phil's right is
an opportunity is a university of opportunity. We're trying to
create and support people who need opportunities. This is one
aspect of many ways in which we do it. Then
I think's being taken quite out of context and a
hyd P fiftical arguments being raised about it, and so
let's just relax about this sort.

Speaker 3 (01:03:22):
Offic I totally disagree with the pair of you, but
I do need to. I can keep hammering this, but
I have to talk about something has gripped me today. Phil.
Why did Tory really sell her cart?

Speaker 22 (01:03:32):
I don't know. She says she moved into the city
into a flat, as I understand what.

Speaker 3 (01:03:35):
Let's tell what she said, but of course that she
can't make him one hundred and ninety thousand gives a.

Speaker 22 (01:03:39):
Very livable city. There's lots of cycle waste, there's lots
of pedestrianization, there's lots of bus routes, and she's built
most of them. So good for her for taking the
leap and going to the city, I must say when
I when I looked at her salary, she's apparently paid
one hundred and ninety thousand dollars, which to many people
will be out of money, but compared to many of
the bureaucrats in this town, is not. And I actually thought, ge,

(01:04:00):
are we support that? There's an argument for paying the meal?
We management bit more if we want decent performance, I
must say. But given people get this, I thought, good
for her. Shees living the dream of doing side always
and bweys and living in the city.

Speaker 3 (01:04:16):
I lost your mind. Thank you for you've lost your mind.
If you're arguing that Tory Farno needs a pay rise
because you can't make ends meet on one ninety, I'm
going to push right back. Guys really appreciate it. Fellow
Riley Rob Campbell A huddle seven away from six on.

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Speaker 3 (01:04:40):
Hi, there is a business owner. I actually cannot imagine
preferring one team member of another because of ethnicity. Isn't
that illegal?

Speaker 18 (01:04:46):
Geez?

Speaker 4 (01:04:46):
I don't know, is it?

Speaker 3 (01:04:47):
I mean, probably not anymore. I'll tell you what I
was thinking about this this morning is it is quite
remarkable to me how widespread the idea is that it's
okay to prefer one person over another because of the
color of their skin. Like that is quite wild when
you think about the fact that we are a liberal
democracy founded on the idea. Well, in recent years we

(01:05:09):
have moved increasingly towards the idea that everybody should be
treated equally, whether the man or woman or trans, white
or black or brown, Christian or Jewish or Muslim, like whatever,
you treat everybody the same. But then we have this
little weird carve out where like except for this and
for us in this particular case, it's if you're Marty
in PACIFICA that's quite wild. Ah, But it's wild how

(01:05:32):
far this has traveled in terms of an idea, because
one of the huddlers said, it's quite normal, and it is.
It's really normal. I mean, they were doing it in
Hawk's Bay with the GP appointments, they were doing it
with the WIT surgical waiting lists, they were doing it.
But they've got these special rooms at Auckland University, they've
got this going on at aut It's all over the
shop that they had it that a bunch of government
departments handing, you know, choosing businesses based on whether the

(01:05:54):
owners were Marty. And it's quite wild that it's taken on,
but it has. And it just goes to show that
if you want to unwind this, which is what this
government wants to do, so hell of a job that
they've got on their hands, because they've basically got to
change the group think and got to reset that. That's
massive anyway, loads of texts on the teachers. Gee was
I'm going to I have to come back to that
in the next fifteen minutes or so when I get

(01:06:16):
a bit of debate. But of time, just need to
fill you in on what we're talking about next, which
is insulation rules. Now, Chris Pink, the minister who's in
charge of construction and stuff, has said he's going to
look at the insulation rules again because we're overheating our
houses apparently, and it's you know, the insulation's costing US
forty or fifty thousand dollars per house apparently not that
expensive actually more like twy two hundred dollars for a

(01:06:38):
three bedroom house. Where are you buying your insulation for
two two hundred dollars? Please? I want to know about this.

Speaker 19 (01:06:46):
Well.

Speaker 3 (01:06:46):
Malcolm Fleming, who's the chief executive of Certified Builders, who
actually participated in this, researchers with us next so we
can find out were to get this cut rate insulation
for our houses. That's next news to exect by.

Speaker 2 (01:07:03):
What's what's down on, what were the major calls and
how will it affect the economy of the big business
questions on the Business Hour with hither duplicy Allen and
my hr on newstalksv.

Speaker 3 (01:07:18):
Even in coming up in the next hour, Brad Olsen
is going to run us through what he's expecting from
those GDP figures this week and whether we're going to
get a triple recession. Probably are the Kiwi company riding
the ozempic wave though with us After six thirty, will
also have a chat to Jamie McKay and and to
Brady seven past six. Now there's a bit of debate
about how much the new insulation rules will actually cost
building in construction. Minister Chris penk reckons it could add

(01:07:41):
about forty to fifty thousand dollars to a new home,
so he wants to roll back these insulation standards. However,
according to some new research, the cost can be as
low as maybe twenty two hundred bucks for a three
bedroom home. Malcolm Fleming is the chief executive of n
Z Certified Builders, who participated in this project and is
with us. Now, Hey, Malcolm, together, it's good to chat

(01:08:02):
to you. Have you ever seen a three bedroom house
insulated for two two hundred bucks?

Speaker 28 (01:08:08):
Well, that's not the cost of insulation, but it's the
we've used new Ended TV Studio, which is a couple
of designs architect designed designs which we're taken to market
later this year, and we've used them as a case
study with the Quantity Surveyor and with EBOSS with architects

(01:08:29):
design groups Say and Eliott contributed as well, and to
look at what would be the costs of insulation for
H one. So just to recapitalate H one as it
was brought into the regulation May twenty twenty three and
represented a really big step up on the existing ACT
one in relation to get it's closer to international countries
that would you like to be competed with in regard

(01:08:51):
to insulation and the cost of thickness to run. So
we used these two plants that were not on an
INDI studio to look at what would be the beare
minimum H one insulation bars we can apply what and
what would the cost be over and above what that
bill would have been, say two years ago before H

(01:09:12):
one and that cost for three bedroom because we've got
a two bedream of three big and three big and
the larger one, so you're using that and those costs
ten thousand, six hundred dollars old.

Speaker 3 (01:09:25):
And let me just get this right. So what you're
saying is when you look at what the standards are
before H one and then you go to H one,
the difference in lifting the standard is two and a
half for two point two thousand dollars.

Speaker 28 (01:09:37):
Yeah, the difference is ten thousand, six hundred if you
use a process called scheduling method, which is a bit
of a blunt instrument that falls to two two thousand,
one hundred dollars extra over and a puffet it been
with the bet of two thy two hundred twenty two.

Speaker 4 (01:09:58):
Yeah, be your pardon.

Speaker 28 (01:10:00):
It's a calculation method. So if I listen for homeowners here,
he's saying a design architect to do the new homes,
ask them to do the calculation method and keep the
sukay yip.

Speaker 3 (01:10:12):
I mean, because if I was building a new house,
I don't care what the difference is. I want to
know what the total cost is. So how much does
it cost me to insulate the house?

Speaker 28 (01:10:19):
The well as low as the digital two thousand dollars,
but on top of what over what it would have
been before the near ten thousand dollars less than what
it is now.

Speaker 1 (01:10:38):
How what does it?

Speaker 3 (01:10:39):
God do you do you know what it costs to
insulate it? Three injure mounts because Chris Pink listen, Malcolm,
we've got we're debating this right, Chris Pink says, it's
fifty k What do you say it?

Speaker 28 (01:10:52):
No, so Chris Pink is saying it is now fifty
thousand dollars about the house what it wants, But debate
what we've conted with with actually getting some data so
that we can actually have an informed conversation about this
rather rely on anecdotes that is about ten thousand dollars
using a blunt instrument approach, which is everybody isn't if

(01:11:15):
you want to use a sophisticated approach which a designer
can use. It comes down as, of course two thousand,
one hundred and forty square of the house.

Speaker 3 (01:11:23):
Malcolmism, what can we do about these houses that are
overheating because they're overinsulated.

Speaker 28 (01:11:29):
Well, there's been some contribution from brands that that is
not necessarily the case, but where there has been examples
of that, it comes down to the blunt instrument approach,
the scheduling, which is approaching every sun your surface like
looking at the roof looking at the will walk each
walls and trying to get one hundred percent of the

(01:11:52):
hy regulation on every single part of the build, where
as a calculation, okay for them to get one hundred
percent on that elevation, Yeah, you're going to have triple glaze,
and you're going to have to have insulation everywhere over
compensating and that could be contributing some overheating. Well, the calculation,

(01:12:15):
you understand, and you're never going to get get there
in the cost effective manner, but you're going to do
better in the roofs and so forth to counter Dallum.

Speaker 3 (01:12:23):
Yeah, yeah, okay, I see what you're saying, Malcolm. I
really appreciate it, mate, thank you for talking to us.
It's Malcolm Fleming, Certified Builders, Chief Executive. I don't really
know what the point of that was, but that was
amusing one, isn't it?

Speaker 4 (01:12:33):
Hey?

Speaker 3 (01:12:34):
This is one of those ones figures and figures lies, lies,
damn statistics. Heather to the teacher's texts. Let me tell
you something. Nothing lights up the text machine like a
winging teacher. Honestly, is it very few things that will
immediately just get parents or people worked up. But that
is one of them and the text went completely nut.

(01:12:55):
So when Blair was on Before Blair, Blair the primary
school principal saying that he couldn't implement the maths in
English curricular by early next year. We didn't have enough time. Hither,
these teachers are lucky they don't work for Elon Musk
because they would be told to do it in a week,
never mind four months. Hither, these teachers should already know
primary level maths in English. They trained for three years
to be teachers. As for the one hundred page document

(01:13:17):
they have to read, this is life all of us
who are working have to read. Most teachers would be
behind this. Hither, I'm in a school board. We started
the stuff six months ago. It's going amazing, so much better. Heither,
as a retired teacher, I think they should know the
stuff they're supposed to teach. A new curriculum is only
a list of bits of which bits they have to teach.
The problem is that for a very long time people
have been becoming teachers with little or no ability in
maths themselves, and tonies onto it. We already know this stuff,

(01:13:40):
for goodness sake. Hither, it's not rocket science teaching basic
maths in English to ten year old buttons. The chimps
could do it, Thank you, John. Listen question for you.
So are saying to producer Andy whose eldest is three
and a half, and are saying to produce a Laura
whose eldest is two and one month? You know, no,
that's more. You still count the extra month because it's
a big deal anyway. So I was saying to them

(01:14:02):
before do they think it's clever that Eggie who's two
and a half can count to three? Now I'm not
meaning like one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight nine, ten,
Like who can't do that at two and a half,
Like he can count to fifteen or something like that,
big deal whipped to do. But if you put three
apples in front of him, ask so damn how many
apples there? He used to go one to day for five, six, seven,
eight nineteen right, And then they were like whatever. I'd

(01:14:24):
be like, okay, you have not got the concept. But
now he can count one, two, three, and we'll finish
at three because there are three apples. I said to them,
I think that's really clever for two and a half.
They said to me, I am your typical parent and yeah, Heather,
he's a genius. Wow, can you please just just arbitrate

(01:14:44):
on this? It does feel clever to me that two
and a half you can count the actual number of
stuff that's there, then't nine two nine two quarter past
six crunching.

Speaker 1 (01:14:54):
The numbers and getting the results.

Speaker 2 (01:14:56):
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Would ever do for cls Hey, it sounds like the.

Speaker 3 (01:16:00):
The old equity race for Auckland Airport has has gone
very well. The book build was oversubscribed closed by midday today.
That is barely twenty four hours after being announced. So
they'll be pleased about that. Obviously the airlines have been
whinging about it. Quite the opposite nineteen past six. Now
the state of the economy will be revealed on Thursday
when the GDP for Q two is out. It's wide

(01:16:21):
the expected that GDP went backwards again. Brad Olson is
in for metrics principle economist and with us now ay
Brad good evening, what do you reckon? What are you picking?

Speaker 14 (01:16:30):
The infanmetrics pick is a point two percent quarterly fall,
so sort of in the middle of the range by
the Oxford of most of the major forecast is everyone
in New Zealand looking like the packing sort of anywhere
between point one and point five percent down. Long story short,
that doesn't sound huge, but it's that continuation of weaker
and weaker economic conditions and we're likely to probably see

(01:16:53):
that persist for the rest of this year. Of course,
we're wanting to get a bit of a gauge on
how different parts of the economy are going. We know that,
for example, healthcare has still been quite a large growing area,
but we'll be looking at or trying to get a
bit more detail on how households are feeling, if there's
you know, how bad and a sense investment decisions are getting.
So a lot of details that will be picking over

(01:17:15):
on Thursday. But again that activity here there was what
three months ago now, so it is very much in
the rearview mirror. Will be also, i mean comparing some
of those figures with some of the more recent economic
indicators to try and give us a gauge for how
challenging the economy still is and maybe when we're expecting
it to turn around the other way.

Speaker 3 (01:17:35):
So what we're seeing at the moment, obviously, thank godness,
is all the interest rates coming back. The home loan
lending rates. How long before we actually start to see
this playing a role in GDP.

Speaker 14 (01:17:46):
Look, I think it's probably another almost six to nine
months away, just because of how long it's going to
take for all of those households to refix onto lower
mortgage traits. I mean, but you're right, it's probably a
little bit quicker than normal downturns in a sense because
households have been primed for lower interest rates. And let's
be clear, I feel like the downslide at the moment

(01:18:08):
in mortgage rates is probably faster than any of us predicted.
You know, I saw another of the major banks cut
their rates today. They're now I think the one year
is sitting at something like six point two nine, So
things really are starting to move now.

Speaker 18 (01:18:20):
Of course, not every household.

Speaker 14 (01:18:22):
Refixes their mortgage three seconds later, so it will take
a bit of time. And what we're sort of thinking
at the moment is that the next six to nine
months is probably going to be dominated by fewer job
opportunities coming through further increases to unemployment.

Speaker 22 (01:18:36):
But get through to.

Speaker 14 (01:18:37):
Twenty twenty five, as people are refixing their mortgages, they've
got a bit more spare cash they're spending a bit
more in the economy. There's more jobs that come forward,
and that's when we think that economic mojo comes back
a bit.

Speaker 3 (01:18:49):
It's good to talk to you, Brad always is. Thank
you very much, mate, look after yourself. It's Brad Olson
Infimetric's principle economists here. The iggy's only clever if he
knows that the apples are vegan and whether they organic.
Cannot what variety that identifiers? That said, that's obviously a
horticulturalist who sent that through. That's the kind of thing
you'll teaching your child at the moment here that yes,
counting with the enumeration, which is one number for each object.

(01:19:10):
Are you listening to this? Are you listening to this?
Laura and Andy, listen to this? Counting for with a
room enumeration one number for each object at Eggy's age
is not typical of a two and a half year old.
It's not unusual either, though that's from Linda who's qualified
as a kindergarten teacher. What that means, No, it's not

(01:19:31):
a wah whah wah wah.

Speaker 18 (01:19:32):
Andy.

Speaker 3 (01:19:33):
Actually, what that means is that it's not it's not normal,
but it doesn't make him like a super genius. It
just makes him a smart cad. That's all so that.
But you know what, can your child do it?

Speaker 16 (01:19:44):
Can?

Speaker 1 (01:19:44):
Can she do it?

Speaker 3 (01:19:46):
Does she counter three? Just coow three apples? She's got
a year on him, so obviously she can, right, she
could counter thirty at three and a half. Well, now
I've got a goal oka like child Olympics here here
that my three year old could. Can your three year
old do this?

Speaker 1 (01:19:58):
Though?

Speaker 3 (01:19:58):
Andy? My three year old can count one hundred and
then backwards again by three because we spent a lot
of the time in the car and that's what we
did to pass the time. Can she do that? Well?
You know so anyway, Yeah, Heather, my nephew just turned
two and he can count to ten, He knows all
his colors, et cetera. All doting parents think their child's
advance is great to see how much he's loved. Do

(01:20:18):
you know what this is a sign of? This is
what I'm to thank you, Amy, as always, Amy, It
DAGs a woman to put it in perspective. What it is,
basically is we love our children and we want them
to be special, don't we? And that's bloody awesome isn't it.
So if your child can count to one hundred and
then back again at three, if my child can count
three apples, if Andy's child can count to thirty, whatever,

(01:20:41):
just the mere fact that we care about that says
a lot about us as parents. So you know what,
round of applause for us? Gone? Andy, do that thing again.
They can break New Zealanders, that's right, they can the
citizens of us stop it. Crack me that's more like it. Yeah,
that's right. Don't worry if future citizens future rotten does
ya six twenty three.

Speaker 2 (01:21:02):
Whether it's macro micro or just playing economics, it's all
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Speaker 3 (01:21:15):
You should sign Eggy up as a relief teacher. I
mean he might help with that English and maths curriculum. Actually,
six twenty six with us Now is Jamie mckaye Host
of the Country, Hi, Jamie?

Speaker 22 (01:21:24):
Can I hear that?

Speaker 16 (01:21:25):
Hey?

Speaker 3 (01:21:25):
So the farmers are feeling a bit better, are they?

Speaker 25 (01:21:28):
Well, they're feeling more positive economically than poor old Tory
is the poor thing? Look the latest Rabobank rural confidence
survey has come out and farmers are now at net
positive levels and confidence for the first time since quarter
four of twenty twenty one. And the things they're positive
about higher commodity prices that's making forty percent of them happy.

(01:21:51):
Falling interest rates is making thirty one percent of them happy.
What they can't do much about, unfortunately, like a lot
of people in business and just people run a household,
is rising input costs. Forty eight percent of them remained
concerned at those so unsurprisingly also, Heather Dairy farmers are
now the most optimistic of all the farming groups in

(01:22:14):
New Zealand. Not a surprise really when you consider the
futures market is sitting at nine dollars. They are the experts,
mainly my man at Jordan, Mike McIntyre. I'll give them
a shout outs, predicting a two to three percent lift
of tonight's GDT auction. Dairy end Z also came out
with their in house tall the Econ Tracker. They're saying

(01:22:37):
that the forecasts payouts eight dollars eighty four, but interestingly
break even is sitting at over eight dollars at eight
oh nine, So literally, even with these potentially really good
dairy prices. Heither, we're still barely going to make a
buck figuratively, of course, I mean.

Speaker 3 (01:22:53):
Yeah, true, right, Jammie, listen, I'm federat to farmers. Big
day tomorrow? Is it tomorrow?

Speaker 4 (01:22:58):
Yeah?

Speaker 25 (01:22:58):
Blowing out one hundred and twenty five handles, eighteenth of
September eighteen ninety niner it's a great story. A Northland
dairy farmer by the name of Thomas Smith recognized the
need for a single unified voice to strength and farmer's
position to create leverage when engaging with the government. This
is back in eighteen ninety nine, So fast forward a

(01:23:20):
decade to nineteen ten and a guy by the name
of Henry Ackland who ran Mount Peel Station. Interestingly, the
current chair of Beef and Lamb New Zealand, Kate Ackland,
is married to a descendant, David. So in nineteen ten
Henry decided that they needed to do likewise in the
South Island to promote the interests of sheep farmers and

(01:23:42):
address issues like fluctuating wall prices, disease outbreaks and the
need for improved farming practices and infrastructure. Interestingly, also he
stayed in that position, so he started in nineteen ten.
He held that position until his death in nineteen forty two.
And then just after World War II, they've bind the
New Zealand Farmers Union and the sheep owners combined and

(01:24:04):
they into one organization. And that's the organization we know.
It's Federated Farmers Now.

Speaker 3 (01:24:09):
Amazing stuff. I'm looking forward to celebrating it with them. Jammie,
thanks very much, Jemmy Mchaie, Host of the Country. Hey,
by the way, news just end the All Blacks have
sold out sky Stadium. Remember they didn't sell out sky Stadium.
They didn't sell it out for the game, but they've
sold it out for the Wallabes game, which is not
this weekend but next weekend. Here that my boy could
have a golf ball seventy meters at three heither. We
used to send out three year old and new quad

(01:24:31):
BikeE to the back of the farm to get the
cows in while I had afternoon to choose. That's fun,
a like they think it's fun, You're just making them work.
They don't realize headline's next. And then the Kiwi company
riding the Ozempic wave.

Speaker 2 (01:24:46):
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Speaker 3 (01:25:01):
Me when you're riding where he's driving.

Speaker 1 (01:25:03):
Now you live in.

Speaker 3 (01:25:04):
Last damn zimminground either. My wife used to roll her
grandfather's cigarettes and light them for him at the age
of three. Now I feel like that is that is
I can almost certainly say something that no child, no
child of any employees of Ens and me, will be
learning anytime soon. She did it because he had a
stroke and in her plunket book it had a note

(01:25:26):
which said baby must stop smoking. Lord, they would they
would take that child off you nowadays, Hey, Hugh Edwards, right,
this man alive? Do you remember how the story started?
The story started all I think it was like last
year when he was busted for that rudy picture online,
you know, the rudy picture online where he was, you know,

(01:25:47):
flashing his bum to somebody. And at the start it
was like, oh, this is just a bit a little
bit strange, and he was sort of, you know, buying
photographs of a guy who was like old enough, but
it was just a bit yark and so the whole
thing just felt like, ah, it just doesn't feel right.
But now, oh my gosh. I don't know if you've
been following this, but the revelations in court in the

(01:26:09):
UK is so much more grim than anyone could have
imagined back then. Anyway, people are furious because he was
sentenced overnight and he managed to avoid jail. It's really
contrasts quite remarkably. We are talking about child sex pictures
here right. This contrast quite remarkably with someone recently who
just said some nasty stuff online and went to jail
for it. And yet this guy child sex pictures doesn't

(01:26:32):
go to jail. How do you explain that? Andder Brady's
going to be with us in ten minutes time to
talk us through it. Also, P Diddy news just coming
out of the UK has been arrested. He was busted
in a Manhattan hotel, taken into custody and although at
the moment no official reason for why he's been arrested,
it's believed that he's been charged with racketeering and sex
trafficking of all things twenty one away from seven Heather

(01:26:53):
du for see Alan. Now the weight loss industry is
on track to become one hundred and fifty billion dollar
industry just in the next six years or so. And
a kiwweight loss company is riding on the coattails of
the azemba craze with a huge increase in sales in
the US. It's callo curb Kalokub was developed with the
help of plant and food. It's a pill that reduces
hunger and cravings in women particularly. Sarah Kennedy is the
founder and the chief executive of Callow Kurban with us. Now, Hey, Sarah, hi, hi,

(01:27:18):
I'm well thinking about you guys pre date ozempic how
much so you will you will be able to look
at the effect that Ozempic's had on your business. How
massive has it been?

Speaker 29 (01:27:28):
Oh, it's been extraordinary. And I'll tell you why ozempic is.
Let's be a little Can I be science geeky for
a minute.

Speaker 3 (01:27:36):
I'll go for it.

Speaker 29 (01:27:37):
Ozembic is actually a Ozemplic is actually a brand name
for synthetic hormone GLP one that you inject in yourself,
which tells the brain you're full. It just mimics a
hormone that we have. So that's a brand name. In
twenty twenty one, Nova Nordisk had their drug with Govi,

(01:27:58):
which is the sister to ozmpic, approved for approof for obesity,
so as zempic is for diabetes, what go v is
now now in twenty twenty one twenty two, they spent
a billion dollars on advertising in the US, so they
educated the market on what GLP one did. Do you

(01:28:21):
know they also took out two hundred and sixty thousand
doctors for dinner and lunch. I don't think I'm getting
anywhere near that, but you know, we're going to try.

Speaker 3 (01:28:32):
But this GLP one is, is this not basically what
your product also releases?

Speaker 29 (01:28:39):
Yeah, so really interesting. They inject in a synthetic, so
you inject yourself in. We stimulate your own natural release. Now,
a lot of things will say that, like a Berberine
or something like that will say that, but we stimulated
at six hundred percent above baseline. You have to be
above four hundred just to make a behavioral change. So

(01:29:03):
we're six hundred.

Speaker 22 (01:29:04):
We did that.

Speaker 29 (01:29:05):
We know within an hour we reduce calorie and take
by eighteen percent. And I think what the last clinical
we just published a month ago in obesity pillars in
the US, we did it in woman, and we showed
that we reduced hunger by thirty percent, cravings by forty percent,

(01:29:27):
and rebound eating by fourteen and a half. I mean,
this is huge to get those behavioral changes. And this
was developed here in New Zealand by plant and food research.

Speaker 3 (01:29:38):
Why does it have a greater effect on women than men?

Speaker 29 (01:29:41):
Oh, that's really interesting. Well, hypothesis is that women have
a greater sensitivity to GLP one, so this natural hormone
to tell you to stop eating to protect their fetuses.
So it's basically yeah, it is, so that was that's
a hypothesis for it woman. And we also do joke

(01:30:02):
a little bit when when you know, when we're do
doing these clinical studies, we do believe women foreign instructions
more than men as well.

Speaker 3 (01:30:11):
I've done a clinical study in my marriage and I
can tell you that's true.

Speaker 22 (01:30:15):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:30:15):
Now, now, you at one stage said that you believe
that you have here in your hands a one billion
dollar unicorn company. When are you going to hit the
one billion mark?

Speaker 29 (01:30:26):
Well, you know, just we are growing at four to
six hundred percent per quarter. This will be the twenty
fifth conference that we've been to in fifteen months.

Speaker 18 (01:30:37):
We go again.

Speaker 29 (01:30:37):
We're literally going every month to these large conferences. Sorry,
I'm taking a long way round. Do you know the
main thing that people say to us we go to
practitioner conferences, why haven't we heard of you before? Why
haven't we heard of you? So the biggest thing for
us in the US is not only word of mouth,
it's advertising. No more, spent a billion dollars not We're

(01:31:00):
not going to do that. And we don't have to
do that because we are the only natural and let
me say that, and we are the only natural one
in the world and we're actually just being patented in
December last year in the US.

Speaker 3 (01:31:13):
It's stuff. Now, given that Plants and Food was, you know,
part of the development of this, does the government have
a stake in it?

Speaker 29 (01:31:20):
Yes? Absolutely, we pay back a royalty to them. Well,
I'd have to let Plant and Food say that. But
I'm delighted by the royalty. And I'm not just being
altruistic here. You know, I've been in New Zealand And
in the science arena for many years and I'm absolutely
delighted that we're paying back a part of all of
our net sales to plant and food research, you know,

(01:31:42):
And I think this is important to realize in science
in New Zealand that early research is what would call
blue skies. There was nothing commercial or no commercial company
behind it, and that we can actually pay that money
back into So I'd like the government to keep thinking
about that blue Skies research because that's where we came from.

Speaker 3 (01:32:03):
Oh, Sarah, how fascinating. Hey, thank you and best of
luck with everything. I hope it goes really well and
you make us an extremely wealthy country. Sarah Kennedy, founder
and chief executive of Calokup. How good would that be
if they were or the natural ozempica? We become the
you know what? Who is it over?

Speaker 1 (01:32:19):
Is it?

Speaker 3 (01:32:19):
Is it Finland or Denmark? It's Denmark, isn't it? As
making all the money of ozm pic is like literally
a portion of their GDP. Now imagine if that was us.
How good care we Bank has cut its mortgage rates again,
so the mortgage battle is still raging. Their one year rate,
which is now six point two nine percent, is the
best in the market. They've cut their shortening their long
term rates somewhere between four and twenty basis points. Unfortunately,

(01:32:41):
did cut the deposit rates as well, but there you go.
It's on quarter two.

Speaker 1 (01:32:46):
If it's to do with money, it matters to you.

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Speaker 3 (01:32:56):
Zb Indebradio UK correspondents with us.

Speaker 18 (01:32:59):
Now, Hey, hey, Heather, great to speak to you again.

Speaker 3 (01:33:02):
What do you make of Hugh Edward's avoiding jail.

Speaker 18 (01:33:05):
I think it's disgraceful really, if you ask me. He look,
we're in a position now where there's basically no prison
spaces left. That is how bad everything that Keir Starmer
has inherited from the Conservatives. There's no more room left
in prison.

Speaker 1 (01:33:17):
Now.

Speaker 18 (01:33:18):
That wasn't mentioned in court yesterday, but it was possibly
a factor at the back of the magistrate's mind. He
initially said that, you know, this offense was so serious
it would deserve twelve months in prison. However, he had
pleaded guilty at the earliest opportunity, and on top of
that there were mitigating factors like his mental health and
alcohol consumption and his struggles with his sexuality. So the

(01:33:40):
end result was he got six months suspended prison suspended.

Speaker 19 (01:33:43):
For two years.

Speaker 18 (01:33:44):
But his career is over. It ends in disgrace. He
can't go anywhere, and I know it was last week
on his LinkedIn he very briefly put up a message
saying that he will be prepared to work for charities
for free and nobody would have him. It was taken
down a few hours later.

Speaker 3 (01:33:59):
Yeah, I mean, look, I take the argument about the
jails being full, because they are, but you know, it's
only about six weeks ago or five weeks ago that
you guys were popping people in jail for saying nasty
things online. How on earth have you got to the
point where you go to jail for something like that,
but you don't go to jail for watching kiddie porn.

Speaker 18 (01:34:17):
Yeah, precisely. Look, it's a very very good point, and
it's hard to argue against that. You know, there was
a woman who got fifteen months for what she rolled
on Facebook, fifteen months for a Facebook post, and he's
basically trading or sending about three thousand dollars to a
convicted sex offender for a grotesque images of children as
young as seven, and he has managed to not go

(01:34:39):
to prison. So there's a lot of anger about it.
But I just I'm staggered at the fall from grace.
We have never known anything like it. This was the
guy who broke the news of the Queen's death. This
was the guy who anchored UK election coverage. He was
the king of the BBC newsroom and now he's basically
a convicted sex offenders terrible.

Speaker 3 (01:34:57):
Is his wife standing by him?

Speaker 18 (01:34:59):
He's wearing his wet We don't know. We were told
that they had split, but he went into court yesterday
wearing a wedding ring, so we simply don't know. But
people in the industry are just horrified. I mean it
is a spectacular fall from grace.

Speaker 3 (01:35:13):
I mean the guy is like uber famous in the UK.
If you were in this position, wouldn't you just leave
the country? Like he just needs to leave the country,
doesn't he he does.

Speaker 18 (01:35:22):
Yeah, I don't know where he'll go. But look, if
he has any remorse, if he's truly remorseful, he needs
to reply to the BBC Director General, who's asked for
four hundred thousand dollars of salary back because the BBC
were stupid enough to keep paying him after he got arrested.
I mean questions about the leadership of the BBC as well.
I mean, show some courage, so show some moral duty.

(01:35:44):
If a guy has been arrested for heenous allegations, get rid,
don't keep paying him. He was on nearly nine hundred
thousand n Z. I mean, you know, just so many questions.

Speaker 3 (01:35:55):
Is part of the reason why they did that, Inda,
because I was just reflecting about this earlier. At the start,
it did not seem nearly as grim as what we
are dealing with now and me at the start, it
was just a kind of embarrassing photo online and he'd
been talking to it and getting photos from a kid
who was too young but legal what we're doing, hang.

Speaker 25 (01:36:12):
On, hang on.

Speaker 18 (01:36:15):
He wasn't arrested over that. He was arrested because South
Wales police had this in their net. They got this
sex offender who had a horrible interest in children. So
it's too COMPLETECS.

Speaker 1 (01:36:30):
Yes, yes he was.

Speaker 18 (01:36:31):
He was arrested as part of this. The senior management
knew about this, so the two things were completely separate.
The first one was bad and often terrible, as it
was with you know, front page news and the mother
of the young boy saying, you know, this man, just
stop contacting my child for indecent images, and then he
gets arrested because South Wales police had got all the

(01:36:51):
electronic devices from this sex offender and guess who he's
been swapping images with and receiving money from.

Speaker 3 (01:36:58):
Terrible Jesus Grimy. Thank you very much. Thanks for all
of the detail there. That's into Brady, UK correspondent speaking
of parking tickets, because you know how I feel about them.
What about this text hither I got a parking ticket
from New World for being nine minutes over the two
hour limit. When I checked my credit card statement to
see if i'd shopped there that day, I realized I'd
spend forty four thousand dollars there in the last three years,

(01:37:20):
which is two hundred and fifty bucks a week. So
I sent them that reply an hour later from the
store owner to rip up the parking ticket. That's how
you do it. Eight away from seven, whether it's.

Speaker 2 (01:37:29):
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Speaker 3 (01:37:40):
Hey, if you're an Aucklander, I've got something for Aucklanders.
I've got something for Wellingtonian's but it'll interest but certainly
the second one will interest absolutely everybody for Aucklanders. The
council did not participate in the capital rays at Auckland Airport.
They were invited to, obviously, I would imagine because they
have an existing shareholding there, decided that they weren't going
to put any money. That does not come as a

(01:38:01):
surprise because they're actually thinking about selling down. So fair enough,
Tory fun no. So the big mystery for me right now,
mystery of the day is where does Tory's money go?
Two five hundred dollars at the end of the week
and apparently she can't afford her bills so she had
to sell her car. Well, somebody sent me a little
email mentioning an article that she did some time ago

(01:38:23):
in which she spoke about perhaps where she does spend
her money. Tory keeps an eye on fashion trends on
TikTok and brought in a personal stylist because quote, when
you change your style, you can do it horribly wrong.
The stylist used to work for Juliet Hogan, so Tory
ended up spending a fair bit of money on the
New Zealand designers' clothes. Maybe there so Cozy Lives crisis.

(01:38:47):
I don't know about you, But most people who are
struggling to pay their bills do not shop at Juliet Hogan.
In fact, I do not shop at Juliet Hogan because
have you seen the prices at Juliet Hogan. But Tory
shops at Juliet Hogan. And I guess that's the difference
why I didn't have to sell my car and she did.

Speaker 30 (01:39:02):
Andy, Yep, I'm on public transport, the loser cruiser.

Speaker 3 (01:39:07):
You don't shop at Juliet Hogan.

Speaker 1 (01:39:08):
No.

Speaker 3 (01:39:09):
Do you have a personal stylist though, because you look great?

Speaker 22 (01:39:12):
Please?

Speaker 30 (01:39:15):
You've got two children, so I get the beard trimmed
a little bit, but that's about it.

Speaker 3 (01:39:19):
And your personal styling is just wearing a clean T shirt?
Am I right?

Speaker 13 (01:39:22):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:39:22):
Yeah, I'm with you, mate, Yeah mate.

Speaker 30 (01:39:24):
Hey, this song tonight is for your son and also
for Tito Jackson, who passed away. He was one of
the founding members of the Iconic Jackson Five.

Speaker 19 (01:39:34):
This is ABC.

Speaker 3 (01:39:36):
Also for all of the primary school teachers freaking about
freaking out about the English and maths curricula.

Speaker 1 (01:39:42):
Just sing this.

Speaker 30 (01:39:43):
My wife is a primary school teacher, you know that day.

Speaker 3 (01:39:46):
Yeah, but she's not actually working at the moment. Is
she so she's not complaining.

Speaker 30 (01:39:50):
No, no, she is.

Speaker 3 (01:39:50):
She's working again. Is she complaining?

Speaker 13 (01:39:53):
No?

Speaker 3 (01:39:53):
No, Because she's a good one. She's one of the
silent majority.

Speaker 30 (01:39:56):
She's one of the good ones.

Speaker 7 (01:39:56):
She's one of your problem numbers.

Speaker 3 (01:39:58):
Yeah, she's the silent majority. Going to get on with
the job, isn't it?

Speaker 1 (01:40:02):
Well?

Speaker 30 (01:40:02):
She actually did bring up the curriculum over the game.
She goes, Jeep, as I've been out of work. There's
two new curriculums to be introduced, and then I'm gonna
I reckon, we should take you along for a bit
of a have a go day as a teacher and
see how you go.

Speaker 3 (01:40:14):
I feel like that could actually be quite good. Should
we do this?

Speaker 30 (01:40:16):
Do you happen to any at home?

Speaker 16 (01:40:17):
Is that right?

Speaker 7 (01:40:19):
It's pretty relatable?

Speaker 30 (01:40:20):
Oh, torri Faro?

Speaker 1 (01:40:21):
And herether?

Speaker 3 (01:40:22):
Well, hey, I didn't sell my car, did I? So
I'm not complaining that. You know what, Andy, you're going
to I'm going to sort you out later, aren't I?

Speaker 19 (01:40:31):
Still?

Speaker 3 (01:40:32):
I've got a fork here and I'm going to stab
you with it in just a minute. Okay, anyway dirty
because I'm the mum and I even bother to clean it.

Speaker 1 (01:40:38):
See you later.

Speaker 13 (01:40:39):
Bye.

Speaker 1 (01:40:44):
And then.

Speaker 2 (01:40:51):
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