Full Show Podcast: 26 March 2025

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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Digging through the spinth Spence to find the real story.
Or it's Ryan Bridge on hither duper Cy Ellen Drive
with one New Zealand, Let's get connected.

Speaker 2 (00:12):
News talks.

Speaker 3 (00:13):
They'd been good afternoon. It is seven after four News talks.
They'd been coming up on the show. Greg Murphy on
Liam Lawson. We're in the US for Trump's group chat
blowing up. Paul Goldsmith is with us. What can you
get a discount for now that they've changed the laws?
What can you get a discount for if you're convicted
of a crime. We'll ask the minister the astronomical coffee

(00:35):
bill for totong A Council or is it we've done
the maths. Also this afternoon, athletics making a big call
on gender.

Speaker 2 (00:43):
Ryan Bridge.

Speaker 3 (00:45):
Tamitha Paul has said some dumb stuff today about cops
on the beat, and that is to be expected. Much
of the Green Party's manifesto is rooted in idealism, a
utopian dream. Sure, it would be nice to not need
cops or prisons. But if Tamotha Paul was assaulted on
Cuba Street, would she call the cops? Would she want

(01:09):
help from the so called institutionally racist, retraumatizing, recolonizing, thin
blue line. The answer is, of course she would, and
that's really all you need to know about that story.
There's really no more to it. However, does this mean
that all Green Party policies on crime are stupid? And

(01:31):
does the Right have a monopoly on keeping the streets safe?
The answer to that question is no. And here's an
example of why not. Matthews doubled in the past year
in New Zealand. It went up in all locations fourteen
hundred kilograms of meth consumed here in the last year.

(01:51):
Social harm estimated at one and a half billion dollars.
It fuels gangs, it finances gangs. It's bread and butter
for gangs. But it's clear and plain as daylight to
see that they and the cartels are winning the war
on drugs. Any business that doubles its exports and profits
to another country is winning. And we're spending hundreds and

(02:14):
hundreds of millions of dollars trying to fight it. Governments
of both stripes have tried this. Would we call that
a success? The Greens have some truly ridiculous ideas, but
on liberalizing our drug laws, I actually agree with them.
How else do you tackle a monopoly but with competition?

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And why wouldn't you try when the monopoly you're up
against is so violent and so dangerous? And why wouldn't
you try when everything you're currently trying doesn't appear to
be working? Bryan Bridge, nine minutes after before, I welcome
you views on that nine two nine two is the
number to text. We did ask tammotha Paul on the program,

(02:56):
by the way, for after five point thirty, but she
has said nay, so we are, well, don't worry. We'll
have something else for you that we're going to talk
about their gender in sports. But Tamoth of Paul is
a no for today A ten minutes after four, everyone
is talking about this new Netflix series Adolescence. Have you
seen it? The four part series is about a teenage

(03:16):
boy who kills a teenage girl. And we're not spoiling
the series here, by the way by telling you that
this happens right at the start of the show. It
highlights the major issues for a generation growing up basically
being reared partly on social media. South Island's Saint Kevin's
College has done an unusual thing. They have recommended that

(03:37):
parents watch it. The principal is Joe Walsh, and she's
with me. Now, good afternoon.

Speaker 4 (03:43):
Good afternoon.

Speaker 3 (03:45):
Why have you recommended people watch this?

Speaker 4 (03:48):
Ah, where do you start? I've recommended people watch it
because it's an incredibly important piece of art. I think
it's something that's going to stimulate an enormous amount of conversation.
It's something that is probably going to get through to
people in a way that's going to be a lot
better than people like me standing up and telling telling

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families not to allow the young people to have social media.
That's really getting a nutshell.

Speaker 3 (04:16):
It's talking about boys in particular. It features Andrew Tait,
who's many people, many people say has some quite toxic
traits to his the way that he delivers his content online.
For people who don't know, is he quite influential with
young boys in your.

Speaker 4 (04:36):
Experience, Yeah, he is, and he's not the only one.
They talk about the menosphere. So this is this idea
that there's this online community of young men who are
disenfranchised in the world. They lay a lot of the
blame for that at the feet of women, and there's
just this kind of culture about how you survive in

(04:57):
a world that doesn't want you because you're a man,
so you take it to the absolute extreme and you
become this sort of I don't know, I guess it's
the twenty first century of this ubermensch where you're just
incredibly dominant. My daughter told me the other day that
she'd watched a video where a man was telling young

(05:18):
men on the internet how to dominantly order a coffee.
So yeah, it's definitely out the end, definitely influencing people.

Speaker 3 (05:25):
Why are boys being influenced by this? You know what
has changed that they are wanting to watch this content?

Speaker 4 (05:36):
Well. I think one of the things that I pointed
to in my blog was the fact that there's thirty
percent of young men in New Zealand growing up without
a death or without any significant male role model, and
I think that BET has got to be having some
kind of an effect. I also think kids are entertaining themselves.

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People give access to kids to social media and the
world of the internet without any real breaks or without
any real monitoring, So of course you're going to you're
going to look at all the things that you know
you're not supposed to, So that excess is just so
incredibly easy. And I think also A really important part
of this conversation is that young men, I'm looking for

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something to identify with them and to identify themselves there,
and I think that perhaps we've taken a bit of
bet away from them in the world today. I think
we sort of we talk about things like toxic masculinity,
and you know, we've had a discussion about this with
our teachers at school, and if you think about that
phrase and the wrong way, it's almost as if masculinity

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is toxic, and we actually don't want that message going
out to our kids. We want our young men to
feel proud of being a young men, enjoy their physicality,
enjoy those traditional male sports, and not have to sort
of be apologetic about that. But I think there's been
a bit of a shift in recent years where we
sort of we've seen anything that young men do or

(07:04):
that they've traditionally done, as somehow wrong because it's sexist
towards women. And so we've got this huge reaction going
back the other way, and I think that that's part
of all of us as well.

Speaker 3 (07:14):
Did we over correct post feminism.

Speaker 4 (07:18):
Probably yes, probably, you know, we've we've we've got a
when we're talking about the equality of the sexes. We're
not talking about people being the same. You know, a
man's life is different from a woman's life. A man's outloock,
the way he experiences the world is different from a female's.
And I think that that's fine, that that doesn't have

(07:38):
to be one or the other. We have to celebrate both,
and we have to celebrate them enjoying being whatever gender
they are in a way that's not reliant on subjugating
the opposite gender. And I just think we're in a
really weird position right now in the world in terms
of how we think are done all that.

Speaker 3 (08:00):
Joe, thank you very much for being with me. Joe Walsh,
principal of Saint Kevin's College in the South Island and
talking about adolescents, the Netflix show that everyone's watching just
go on quarter past four News Talks HEBB. Coming up next,
we'll talk about Liam Lawson and if one is other
rumors true.

Speaker 1 (08:17):
It's the Heather du Bussy Alan Drive Full Show podcast
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Speaker 3 (08:23):
ZBB seventeen News talksb. We just spoke to Joe Walsh,
who's the principal of Saint Kevin's College, and she said
this in reaction to Adolescence, which is a new Netflix
show out that talks about masculinity and social media and
a whole bunch of stuff to do with young people.
The reaction has been massive to what Joe said. Joe said, basically,

(08:43):
we overcorrected post feminism and we demonized masculinity and now
young men and that this is me paraphrasing young men
and running into the arms of people like Andrew Tate.

Speaker 5 (08:56):
Ryan.

Speaker 3 (08:57):
Finally somebody recognizing how men have been badly treated in
this postmodern world, says Ian.

Speaker 2 (09:03):
Ryan.

Speaker 3 (09:04):
My son who does have a dad and a good dad.
He follows Andrew Tate online. He likes Andrew Tate because
at times he's highly amusing it indeed outrageous. He doesn't
agree with them all the time. That finds it funny
all the same, says Nicky Ryan. I have a twenty
one year old boy and a twenty year old girl.
The over correction went way too far, sadly, says Penny.
It is eighteen minutes after four. Ryan Bridge was sport, Hey, Darcy,

(09:28):
no comment, don't worry, we can stick to the bars.
Good Liam Lawson. How's that you've got? Cameron George on tonight,
by the way, on the Warriors.

Speaker 6 (09:37):
Yeah, Bob McMurray is going to join us Formula one
Man thirty is a McLaren to talk about what happens
now with Liam, if there's any truth to the room,
or how it develops, why is the car so undrivable?
So on and so forth, And then Cameron George joins
us afterward to talk about the release of Dylan Walker
needs to go back to his family. He's got kids

(09:58):
over there. He tried it super hard to stick around,
but at the end it's like, I can't do this anymore.

Speaker 3 (10:05):
Liam Lawson. The we don't yet know if it's true, right.
This is the Dutch newspaper reporting smoke fire. But the
Dutch newspaper's pretty reliable, isn't.

Speaker 6 (10:15):
It when it comes to issues of Red Bull. Yes,
they are, probably because there's a Dutchman who's won four
championships in a roll called Max for stepping. So if
you're going to believe anyone, you look to that report
and say, yes, it seems a tad trigger happy from
Red Bull. But this is not out of character for

(10:36):
that team at all.

Speaker 3 (10:39):
I mean, it's hard looking at it as a Kiwi,
you know, it's man that sucks if this is going
to happen. But at the same time, I mean, it's
a pretty ruthless sport.

Speaker 6 (10:48):
Another one is incredibly tough. A lot of the guys
that get in there bought their way in anyway. They
aren't drive. Daddy's got a pot of money. And the
ones that do actually get in there because they've got
driving ability.

Speaker 7 (11:00):
Cut throat right the way through.

Speaker 6 (11:02):
Look, I understand if they say we're going to give
the drive to Yuki Sonoda because Honda give him a
whole lot of money. They give me a lot of
money to have him engaged in that, and it is
a home track, it is Suzuka, the fans be there, blah,
I can see that. What I'm interested in is what
happens to Liam if they pull that trigger. Does he

(11:23):
get put back to the racing bulls car which Yuki
Sonoda is currently driving, or is he drop kicked.

Speaker 7 (11:30):
Out of the sport altogether? Now that would.

Speaker 6 (11:32):
Be brutal if they just drop him back to racing balls.

Speaker 7 (11:36):
That's that's not a bad car. It's easy to drive.

Speaker 6 (11:37):
It looks like it's telling okay with him at Ajab,
But yeah, for him to be ejected right out the back.
I don't even think Red Bull are capable of making
a move like that, because that would make them look
quite stupid.

Speaker 3 (11:50):
Yeah, you know, well it's it's a bit of an
indictment on them, isn't it the fact that that if
this is true? Yeah, dares he so tonight you've got
Cam George and you're also doing Limb Lawson.

Speaker 6 (12:00):
Yeah, with Bob McMurray. I want Liam on, but he's
almost untouchable. It was like, you know, since he became
a Formula one dude, you just can't get anywhere near.

Speaker 7 (12:06):
Him, which is understandable.

Speaker 3 (12:08):
He's been busy.

Speaker 7 (12:09):
I'm not I rate at all.

Speaker 6 (12:10):
One of these days, I'm sure we'll get Liam Lawson
on the program. But you're waiting for that decision when
it comes out. I don't know whether they ain't coming.
I got no idea. If they're going to do something,
they'd probably do it Thursday night Friday morning before it
all starts.

Speaker 3 (12:24):
And Susy, we'll see tonight at seven twenty one minutes
after four news talks, he'd be someone says, blessing, blessing
for Liam, who drives an F one car. Anyway, Well,
it's quite a lucrative thing to do. And by the way,
the salary I was told the salary he was getting
from and the junior for the junior racket was only
about sixty thousand New Zealand dollars a year.

Speaker 6 (12:46):
They got to pay for a lot of it as well. Sorry,
keep interrupting. I couldn't leave the studio. He's not earning
a great deal. As old man on the other day
and said, look is he bought your house, because you
know he sold his house and I bought his career.
And he goes, oh no, no, no, certainly not still
massively in debt.

Speaker 3 (13:01):
Right, Darcy, it's time to leave for real now, Darcy
Watergrave with the after seven twenty two minutes, after four NEWSTALKSV.

Speaker 1 (13:08):
Getting the facts, discarding the fluff, it's Ryan Bridge on
Heather dubis Allen Drive with one New Zealand.

Speaker 2 (13:15):
Let's get connected news talks they'd be we.

Speaker 3 (13:19):
Do have a lot to discuss after five o'clock this
evening and after the news at four to thirty, we've
got to talk to Dan Mitchson out of the US.
The Defense Secretary there, Mike Waltz, has taken full responsibility
finally for this group chat scandal really involving potentially confidential information,
private information right now, a couple of texts on we've

(13:40):
been talking about adolescents. The Netflix program that's on at
the moment. It's about young men, young boys, and masculinity
and social media and all this kind of relevant stuff,
and we spoke to it principle earlier in the program,
and we've had lots of feedback on this one. I
just want to play you a clip. This is from
Stephen Graham, he's the star and co writer of the show,

(14:02):
speaking to Jimmy Kimmel about why he made it.

Speaker 8 (14:05):
It's a young boy who kills a young girl. I'm
not doing any spoilers because we found out straight away
and as a collective, we didn't want it to be a.

Speaker 9 (14:13):
Who done it.

Speaker 8 (14:13):
We wanted it to be more of a way why
he did it?

Speaker 3 (14:16):
You know what I mean.

Speaker 8 (14:17):
So what we kind of did was I watched I
read an article in the paper. It was about a
young boy who stabbed a young girl to death. And
then there was a couple of months later on the
news there was a piece about a young boy who
stabbed a young.

Speaker 3 (14:28):
Girl to death.

Speaker 8 (14:29):
And these were the opposite ends of the country. And
I just, if I'm really honest with you, Jim, I
just hate my heart. And I just think kind of
a society we're living in at the moment where young
boys are stabbing young girls and you know that beautiful
saying it takes a village to raise a child. Well,
I just thought, what if we're all kind of accountable,

(14:49):
you know, the education system, parenting, the community, the government.

Speaker 3 (14:54):
I wanted to take a look at it.

Speaker 8 (14:55):
I'm not blaming anyone. I just thought, maybe we're all
accountable and we should, you know, have a conversation.

Speaker 3 (15:01):
Yeah, as I said, lots of feedback on this, Dared says, basically,
youngsters who lacks self confidence find escape in the likes
of Andrew Tape, which is a very, very sad because
it shouldn't be an indeed, twenty seven after four News
Talk said B, We'll talk to Greg Murphy about Liam
Lawson after five.

Speaker 1 (15:29):
Putting the challenging questions to the people at the heart
of the story. It's Ryan Bridge on Hither Duplicy Ellen
Drive with One New Zealand let's get connected.

Speaker 2 (15:39):
News Talk Sedb's.

Speaker 3 (15:48):
Pretty far away from five News Talks. ZB We're in
the US in just a few moments. Barry sober on
the house shortly plus Holdonger the me and Mahi drives
down a little bit of hot water. They want to
spend half a million dollars on coffee, Barista coffee at
the council building for all the staff. To be fair,
that's a five year deal, so it's about ninety three
thousand dollars a year. He says, better to have Barista

(16:11):
coffee in house rather than have staff walking off to
a cafe. Skiving off to a cafe to get their coffee. Anyway.
Rates have gone up twelve percent this year in Totonger.
It is all kicking off. People are angry. That's after
five to two, twenty four to two.

Speaker 2 (16:26):
It's the world wires on news dogs.

Speaker 1 (16:28):
They'd be drive you.

Speaker 3 (16:30):
Crain and Russia have agreed to a cease fire in
the Black Sea, but neither side believes the other will
hold up the deal, neither Zelenski nor Russia's Lavrov.

Speaker 10 (16:38):
We will need Claire guarantees to taking into account the
sad experience of agreements with Kiv. Guarantees will come only
from a direct order from Washington to Zelenski and his team.

Speaker 3 (16:50):
Mike Wilts, this is the US National Security Advisor. He's
put his hand up, taking full responsibility for adding a
journalist to a confidential group chat where war plans were
discussed in quite minute detail. He spoke to Laura Ingram,
this is on Fox News.

Speaker 11 (17:04):
I take full responsibility. I built the I built the group.
I'm sure everybody out there has had a contact where
you it was said one person and then a different
phone number.

Speaker 6 (17:14):
But you've never talked to him before. So how's the
number on your phone?

Speaker 11 (17:16):
Well, if you have somebody else's contact and then it
and then somehow someone that it gets sucked in.

Speaker 3 (17:24):
But you don't, I mean, you double check before you
send the war plan. Surely. Finally, this afternoon, fired All
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(17:45):
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pass the lifetime supply onto anyone else through any sort
of inheritance loophole.

Speaker 1 (17:58):
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Speaker 3 (18:06):
Mentionin's a US correspondent with US Now Dan, good afternoon.

Speaker 12 (18:09):
Hey, Ryan, good afternoon.

Speaker 3 (18:10):
So Mike, how's this going down?

Speaker 1 (18:12):
This?

Speaker 3 (18:13):
You know, one day it didn't happen that, you know,
the Atlantic is this evil media outlet, and then today
full responsibility.

Speaker 12 (18:23):
Right, And I'm quite surprised that he came and he
raised his hand so quickly because I mean, like you said,
this is potentially classified information. It appeared in this group
chat about the military strikes, and a journalist was included
in that chat. And like you mentioned too, I mean,
how do you get that phone number in without checking
on it? I mean that'd be like sending a well,
you know, not a picture to somebody that you didn't

(18:44):
mean to send it to. But obviously this was and
President President Trump came out and said, well, you know what,
this was a learning lesson. So just a short time ago,
Michael Waltz, as you just heard, came out and said,
you know, okay, that was me. I take responsibility. And
it's interesting because they use Signal, which is this encrypted

(19:05):
messaging platform. But it's a commercial app I mean, something
anybody can get and it's not approved for classified information.
So that's kind of a head scratch. I mean, who
would approve using something like this?

Speaker 3 (19:16):
Yeah, absolutely, you kind of Russia have a great to
ceasefire in the black seat, but these conditions, right, Russia
line are going to do it if they dropped some
of the sanctions.

Speaker 12 (19:24):
Yeah, they wanted a lot of the restrictions that we've
put on, and we've been the US on fertilizer and
food and the banks lifted by the US. I don't
know if it's going to get to that point. However,
earlier today the presidential reporters, he was looking at all
the conditions, at all the options. He says, quote, we're
thinking about them. And then you've got Zelenski who's accusing
Russia of trying to deceive mediators because he says they

(19:46):
keep adding new terms. He said, they're already trying to
twist the agreements and to see both the mediators on
the whole world. And then I mean the US and
these two countries have agreed demand strikes against a lot
of the facilities over there. But it seems like these
terms and conditions are getting longer and maybe a little
bit more complicated, but I guess that's to be expected

(20:08):
when you now have three countries trying to broke a
deal like this.

Speaker 3 (20:10):
Yeah. Hey, the AP hitting to court to try and
get their access to the White House reinstated. Have I
got this wrong? Or is AP still allowed to the
White House press briefings but just not allowed to the
Oval office In other areas.

Speaker 12 (20:25):
Well, they can be on the grounds of the White House,
but they can't go into the press briefings. If the
President flies to let's say, Georgia, they're not going to
fly on Air Force one. They have to pay their
own way, which is what they're doing right now. And
what people have to realize is the AP has provided
as a news source for hundreds of millions of people
around the world. They've got print and digital and video

(20:47):
and audio for decades and decades, and now you have
a White House who is saying, well, you don't agree
with us, so we're banning you from covering us. And
this sets a very bad precedent because you're bowing before
the White House or you get kicked out, or you
don't get called on by the Press Secretary, which we've
seen in previous administrations. But the bottom line is the
government favoring certain news organizations or others is part of

(21:09):
as many people have said, over here are the authoritarian playbook,
and you just don't want to go down that road.

Speaker 3 (21:15):
All right, Dan, thank you very much for that. Dan Matchison,
our US correspondent. Time is twenty away from five Brian
Bridge update on Australia and the budget there so elbows
come out. The bidding war basically has started in the
Australian election, with the budget announced last night and Elbow's
tax cuts rush through Parliament this afternoon. The tax cut
worth two hundred and sixty eight bucks to you if

(21:36):
you're in Australia in the first year, five hundred and
thirty six bucks in the second year, and every year thereafter.
Our Dutton is going to reply tomorrow, so you can
expect him to probably double that because he's got to
the problem defits deficits. I mean, we think we've got
a problem with deficits. Deficits they're predicted for the next

(21:56):
decade the Australian government's books. So the question for is
not who gives me the most money, but can we
actually afford the money that's been doled out in the
selection campaign. Nineteen away from five Barries opernext for.

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Speaker 3 (22:12):
Sixteen away from five News Talks there'd be Barry Sober here. Hey, Barry,
Good afternoon, Ryan. Now a quick little update from Penny
Henado in the House today.

Speaker 7 (22:20):
Well you wouldn't have noticed it, really, but he got
up and I think it probably would have took him
all of ten seconds to say he's sorry, and I
love the media always talks about the powerful Parliamentary Privileges Committee.
Well it is a slap on the wrist of the
wet bus ticket. Although Penny Henardo was the least offensive

(22:42):
in the house when they did the harka, he did
stand on the floor and join in with the Maldi party.
They've yet to get their sentence, but they may maybe
not ten seconds, maybe they're thirty seconds, who knows.

Speaker 3 (22:56):
All right, now, it's all about the Greens today.

Speaker 7 (22:58):
Oh yes, he's got such a laugh the other day
about them here and came more of a laugh today, Ryan.

Speaker 3 (23:04):
So we've got two things to tackle and we've actually
got an update on the and everyone would have heard
about the cops. Tamotha Paul and the police comments, well,
there's an update in just a second. But Barry, you've
got an update from the House on thefit.

Speaker 7 (23:16):
Profit profit profit. Yes, indeed you can understand why the
Green's leadership in Parliament have embraced the color of their
party because they're Green with envy of anyone that does
make money out of doing business. Their co leader, Close Swarbrick,
was added again in Parliament today out the quizzing the
Prime Minister on why he, without shame embraces profit.

Speaker 13 (23:41):
Here she is When the Prime Minister says profit is
a good thing, does he mean the one million dollars
in excess profits a day made by the supermarket chiwopoly,
or the record billions in profits made by banks and
the energy sector that a former national government partially privatized,
or something else?

Speaker 14 (24:09):
I mean, I answally him stump for words the thoughts
I think in that question of Chloe Sporwick ever being
a finance minister in a Labour Greens government future government
is not great.

Speaker 13 (24:21):
How much private profit is he comfortable asking New Zealanders
to fork out for his public private partnerships?

Speaker 15 (24:28):
Coverty questions, right, on with Peters asked the Prime Minister,
has his cabinet decided to review all of the world
where dusk capital still works? And do they know they
as a cabinet tend to take on those economic theories.

Speaker 14 (24:41):
It would be safe to say that we are not
proponents of dust capital.

Speaker 13 (24:45):
How much private profit is he comfortable asking New Zealanders
to fork out for his public private partnerships because he
refuses to fairly tax the wealthiest New Zealanders in this country?
Why is the government refusing to invest and publicly led,
publicly funded and publicly operated infrastructure.

Speaker 7 (25:11):
Yes, indeed, and the answer to that question is quite simple, ready,
because we're capital thinn in this country. That's why we
seek capital from abroad.

Speaker 3 (25:23):
Now, the Greens spokeswoman on police Tammotha Paul at it again,
this time saying basically that cops on the beat are
just wandering around wasting their time.

Speaker 7 (25:32):
Well essentially that's what she is saying that. I mean,
she's under fire for the comments. I mean, Mark Mitchell,
the Police Minister, can't believe it. She said it was
possible to replace cops on the beat and of course
the latest advent of this government. She seemed to suggest
though it's a new advent for police being out on

(25:55):
the beat. Well for her knowledge, and she's only in
a late twenty they are on the beat when I
was a kid, and that's many many years ago before
she was ever a spark in her parent's eye. But look,
Paul makes no apologies for her view on the police
and being the Worthington Central MP. She reckons she knows
what she's talking about.

Speaker 16 (26:16):
I think that the police should be responding to incidences
of domestic violence, sexual violence, things that only they can do.
I think beat patrols is an easy thing that can
be substituted for by Marty Warden's by halfay aka kind
of community people walking around which we have in Wellington.
I think it's unusual for them to see someone be
critical of the police. But I think it is important

(26:36):
that somebody in this parliament are critical of police because
the IPCA, who investigate misconduct by the police, only investigate
two percent of all of the complaints that they receive.
The heavier visual presence of police does not make people
feel safer. It makes people feel more on edge because
there are more police around.

Speaker 7 (26:53):
I mean, can you believe that this is the Greens
spokes woman on police and if they are in coalition
with the Labor Party, lord help her at the next election.
Well who knows. I mean, you've got Chloe worrying about profit,
You've got this Tamatha Paul saying cop shouldn't be on

(27:13):
the beat. What's the what's the country going to come to?

Speaker 3 (27:17):
There's actually an update on this Barry from Laura who's
executive producer here. So Tamotha Paul in her comments accused
police of waiting for homeless people to leave their spot,
packing their stuff up and throwing it in the bin,
and she said she credited this with feedback she had
received as the local MP from the Salvation Army. Now,

(27:38):
of course the media has gone to the Salvation Army
and they have replied, I am not cured, thank you
for your inquiry. I'm not sure who might have made
this comment to Tamotha Paul. It was not anyone in
an official capacity with the Salvation Army, as I am aware,
we have a good relationship with the New Zealand Police
and we would raise any potential problems directly with them.

Speaker 7 (27:59):
So not refuse collectors on the beat.

Speaker 3 (28:02):
No, apparently not and the Salvation Army doesn't hold that view.
So yeah, and wait for some more evidence.

Speaker 7 (28:10):
I guess where she comes up with the figures. I
will never know. No, like two percent of IPCA complaints
being investigated, there's independent investigations with two percent, but there
are many more complaints that are looked at by the place.

Speaker 3 (28:22):
Yeah, they don't just they don't ignore everything else. They
look into everything and then only those that they dom
serious enough or with legitimate.

Speaker 7 (28:30):
They have an independent investigation. And that's where she got
the two percent figure. But you know it's totally misleading.

Speaker 3 (28:37):
Barry Soper, thanks for your time. Barrysa for senior political correspondent.
It is ten away from five. News Talk said be
coming up after five we'll talk about Liam Lawson. Actually
Jan has asked for a very specific question for Greg Murphy,
who's on the show after five. She said, could Liam
Lawson potentially join another team? None of the journals seem
to be asking this question, and I would like it answered.

Speaker 4 (28:58):
Jan.

Speaker 3 (28:58):
You will get that out sid After five evening, it's
nine two.

Speaker 1 (29:02):
Putting the tough questions to the newspeakers. The mic asking breakfast.

Speaker 17 (29:06):
The government is having a crack at cross Party support
for their RMA reform. Labor Party leader Crushipkins.

Speaker 2 (29:11):
Where are you at.

Speaker 18 (29:11):
We're keen to try and achieve some certainty for New Zealanders.
So if we can find a way forward that involves
a bit of compromise, and then we're very keen to
talk to them.

Speaker 3 (29:19):
One of the things that.

Speaker 18 (29:19):
We've heard a lot from New Zealanders is the ping
pong where each government comes in and just changes everything
the last government did is actually getting a bit dizzy,
InKo people. Compromise will be required on both sides if
we're going to get something that's a bit more stable
and that avoids that.

Speaker 1 (29:32):
Now.

Speaker 17 (29:32):
I was very pleased to hear you say that the
other day, but then I asked Ginny Anderson about your charter.

Speaker 3 (29:37):
Schools and she botched that.

Speaker 17 (29:38):
So on one hand you're saying we want to cooperate,
on another hand, we're not canceling stuff. And then you
are back tomorrow at six am the mic asking breakfast
with the rain drove the last news talk ZB.

Speaker 3 (29:47):
Six minutes away from five. Will look at Liam Lawson
after five. Also we will look at the TOTO on
a city council, which is copying some flack that's putting
it mildly from ratepayers over the coffee bill half a
million dollars, though that has spread over five years. The
real question for me is how much. Because at this
workplace you get instant coffee. You've got a choice. You've
got tea instant coffee milo, or you've got a coffee machine,

(30:12):
not a barista one where you actually have to make
it yourself and do hard labor, but an automatic coffee machine,
though it does froth the milk apparently I haven't used
that feature yet, bells and whistles here it ends in me,
but I don't know what that costs. But we've kind
of crunched the numbers on how much your instant coffee
would cost per person, and then how much your barista

(30:33):
coffee would cost per person. And we'll talk about that
after five o'cock because if you're getting a twelve percent
increase in rates, you will be asking questions. Let's be
honest about that. China you will be probably not surprised
to know, remains the top threat to the United States.
So this Every year of the US does a threat
assessment from intelligence officials, which basically means what did the

(30:55):
American spies think so, they say enemy number one, congratulations again,
it is you China. They say they're making steady progress.
The Chinese on capabilities to take Taiwan. They say they
can hit us weapons. Are sorry, they can hit a
conventional hit the US with conventional weapons and cyber attacks.

(31:17):
And here's the thing. They can also get at the
satellites in space that the US controls. They also say
that the Chinese, according to their latest intelligence, want to
replace the US as the top AI power by twenty thirty.
And he who controls the AI controls the world, I suppose,
is the theory. It is coming up to four minutes

(31:38):
away from five.

Speaker 2 (31:39):
We'll have bridge.

Speaker 3 (31:41):
We'll have a little bit more on that after six
this evening, and a little bit more on this deal
between Russia and Ukraine broken by the United States. This
is in Saudi Arabia. They've agreed to a cease fire,
but only if the Russians get the sanctions lifted on
their agricultural products. So is that going to happen? Is
the U is going to sort of appease and make

(32:02):
that work. Well, we have to wait and see, won't
we talk to continue in Saudi Arabia. Greg Murphy on
Liam Lawson right after the news here on News Talks,
here'd be and we will get to Jack Tayman. Jordan
Williams on the Huddle after five thirty.

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Oh yeah, I know got enough.

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Speaker 20 (32:27):
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Speaker 19 (32:39):
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Speaker 1 (33:00):
Ah need.

Speaker 2 (33:04):
It is beautiful things that.

Speaker 1 (33:06):
Are questions, answers, facts, analysis, The Drive show you trust
for the full picture. Brian Bridge on Heather Duplicy allan
drive with one New Zealand let's get connected.

Speaker 2 (33:22):
News talks'd good.

Speaker 3 (33:23):
Man A seven after five Liam Lawson and f one
this Dutch newspaper to Telegraph reporting he's been dropped by
Red Bull and will be replaced by Yuki Sonoda in Japan.
Greg Murphy is a motorsport legend. He's with us tonight.
Hi Greg, he going yeah, good do you? First of all,
do you do you buy this report? Is it credible?

Speaker 2 (33:43):
Oh?

Speaker 21 (33:45):
It's very difficult these days, silly referencing formula one, knowing
what to believe.

Speaker 3 (33:53):
It could well be.

Speaker 21 (33:54):
Unfortunately, there has been a meeting about all things red
Bull and their drivers and movie forward and doctor Helmert
Marco likes to leak things to the media before they've
announced fully, so potentially maybe that is what's happened. But
until there's an official.

Speaker 3 (34:11):
Red Bull release, we'll just sit.

Speaker 21 (34:15):
Tight and wait and see it sounds it sounds pretty
drastic to be fair. Yes, it's been a challenging start
for Liam, but two rounds in we are going into
the Japanese Grand pri next week. Yuki Sonoda is a
Japanese driver. Maybe they've decided they want to do that

(34:36):
for that event to get more attention.

Speaker 2 (34:39):
Who knows.

Speaker 21 (34:40):
It is as an interesting bizarre world Formula One and
certainly Red Bull make it even more bizarre with some
of the decisions and some of the things they do.

Speaker 3 (34:49):
Is if this is true, let's assume that for a
second and they do drop him, could they drop him
for justice one rate and then bring him back.

Speaker 21 (34:56):
Well again, anything is p absolutely anything. So if they
are going to do what they say, he's you know,
he's probably going to end up in the V car.
But if that's the case, and if that's the case,
well that car has proven to be quite driveable and
actually quite competitive so far in twenty twenty five the
first two rounds.

Speaker 2 (35:17):
The thing that's let them down is.

Speaker 21 (35:18):
The strategic sort of plays which has cost the team
a number of points for both their drivers. So if
he does end up in that car, it's a team
he knows, well, there's a good chance he's going to
perform probably performed quite well, because that car is looking
like it's easier to drive and performing quite well at
the moment compared to the difficulty that the RB twenty
one that Max for Stepan and Lamb are currently driving.

(35:41):
How difficult that car is by the looks of it,
and also by what has been reported by Max for
steppin on saying how difficult that car is to drive.
So who knows, who knows what will happen, But there's
a lot of evolution that that team needs to have
because if Max for Stepan is not winning, that means
that car is not anywhere.

Speaker 2 (35:58):
Near where it needs to be.

Speaker 21 (35:59):
Because he is the best driver in the world at
the moment, you know, all the stats say it. He's
proven that time and time again, and if he's not
winning in the red Ball, that means that car is
not where it needs to be, and it's obviously been
found to be a lot tougher for Liam to get
hold of and.

Speaker 2 (36:16):
Wrap his head around.

Speaker 21 (36:18):
And Max is so experienced and does have an innate
set of skills which is allowing him to still be
competitive and it's it's a shock to me Liam is
playing it so hard.

Speaker 3 (36:29):
In a tough position to be and to Greg, thank
you very much for that analysis. Greg Murphy, who's a
most sport legend with us on the show talking Liam
Lawson ten up to five y Bridge. Just sentencing laws
passed today They will limit how much judges can discount
a sentence. This will be a cap at forty percent.
Paul Goldsmith is Justice Minister, Home Minister, good afternoon, how

(36:50):
are you good? Thank you so sentencing discount. So the
cap is now a maximum of forty percent. What can
you get a discount for? Can you get it discount
for your culture or because you grew up poor?

Speaker 22 (37:03):
We look, the primary discount is for pleading guilty, and
that's something that is important.

Speaker 3 (37:10):
Obviously.

Speaker 22 (37:11):
If people plead guilty, then the victims of crime spared
all the trauma of the trial and so forth, So
there's a discount for that. What we're doing though, was
making sure that you can get up to twenty five
percent discount if you plead guilty right at the start
of the process, but not on the morning of the trial,
which has started to creep into a practice. So we're
having a sliding scale of that. Well, there are other

(37:32):
things such as youth and remorse and the background, all situation,
and so what we're also saying with this as well,
Yes you can be remorseful, but only once. You can't
be remorseful five times, and you can't get a discount
for being young a whole set of times. Either, You've
got to take some consequences.

Speaker 3 (37:51):
What about the background, because that's one of the things
that you talked about in the election a lot, and
you can still get a discount for it.

Speaker 22 (37:58):
Well, look of the sentencing principles is to take into
account the circumstances and background of the offender. What we
stopped was the cottage industry that had developed around cultural reports,
which was starting to cost millions and millions of dollars.
So we put a stop to that.

Speaker 3 (38:14):
But you can change anything, can't you. I mean, you
say it's the principle fact. You can change those if
you want.

Speaker 22 (38:20):
And so the basic approach that we have is that
Parliament sets maximum sentences for serious war for crimes, and
then there's discretion for the judiciary. What we're doing with
this legislation is limiting that discretion because we're concerned that
there's been too many instances of these massive discounts where
people are sentenced, are convicted of serious crimes, violent offenses,

(38:42):
sexual offenses, and then through a series of large discounts,
end up on home detention and sentences that we don't
think reflect the gravity of the crime. And so that's
why Parliament sending this signal and this government sending the
signal that we want to have stronger consequences.

Speaker 3 (38:58):
Explain to me this idea of you're encouraging the use
of cumulative sentencing, for you know, if you do something
while you're on bail or you're in custody or whatever,
then you get a cumulative sentence or that's being encouraged.
What does that mean.

Speaker 22 (39:14):
Well, it is sometimes a practice that if you're convicted
of one thing and then two weeks later, or another
thing and then another thing, if you serve them all cumulatively,
you could end up having a prison sentence for twenty
years or fifteen years. And that has real consequences for

(39:34):
the whole system, and so sometimes those sentences are put together. Now,
part of our coalition agreement with New Zealand first was
to insist upon concurrent sentencing and so adding them all
together into one sentence. But we've got to work at
that piece by piece because the reality is that would

(39:56):
have a huge impact on our prison population. So we're
just working our way through it and encouraging that and sentencing.

Speaker 3 (40:02):
Do you want because it doesn't seem fair. I mean
if you're the victim of it. So let's say somebody
robs a bank, stabbed somebody and then rape somebody. If
you're the one who got raped or got stabbed, why
should you the sentence not be just as long, do
you know what I mean? It's almost like they're getting
off just because they did other stuff. They're getting off
on your crime.

Speaker 22 (40:24):
Well, yes, And the other broader concern is if somebody
is on bail for a serious offense already, and they're
on bail and they go out and create another fresh victim,
if there's no additional penalty, then that sentence a very
bad signal. So that's the thing that we're worried about,
and that's why we're encouraging those sentences to be added

(40:45):
one on top of the other. We haven't gone so
far as legislating that should that should always happen every
time at this stage because it does have very very
significant impacts on the prison population and our ability to
cope with it. We're we're tackling it one step at
a time.

Speaker 3 (41:01):
All right, Minister, will leave it there. Paul Goldsmith, the
Justice Minister, on the new sentencing walls that have been
passed today, much talked about, big feature of the election campaign,
you might remember, and so finally made their way through Parliament.
What are we now, March of twenty twenty five. You're
on News talks. Heb coming up next, we'll go to
Totonger where there is huge uproar about the coffee at

(41:22):
the Council. News Talks here'b it is seventeen minutes after five.
I'm sorry Jan who texted the show earlier, and another
number of you have texted in to remind me that
I've forgot to ask Jan's question of Greg Murphy about
Liam Lawson. My apologies. I have since checked. So Jan's
question was basically, if Liam Lawson gets the sack from
Red Bull, red Bull? Can he go elsewhere? Does anyone

(41:45):
else want him? And the answer is that yes, there
were two teams other than Red Bull who wanted him
in the last round, but Red Bull will likely still
want him. They're not just going to drop him completely.
They'll keep him on and maybe just demote him. So
there you go, Jan there's the answer to your question.
Hopefully you're satisfied. Eighteen minutes after five, Ryan totong A

(42:06):
City Council has accepted a five year contract for coffee
machines so staff don't have to waste time leaving the
office for their fix the problem. The contract is worth
half a million dollars and includes five years worth of coffee.
They're less than seventy meters away from the closest coffee shop,
with several more nearby. As you can imagine, rape pays
are up in arms. Totonger City councilor Steve Morris with

(42:28):
me now, Hi Steve.

Speaker 23 (42:30):
Good afternoon, Ryan. How will you good?

Speaker 3 (42:32):
Can you understand the outrage?

Speaker 4 (42:35):
Oh?

Speaker 23 (42:35):
I certainly can. When I first found out about the secret,
I cerddainly spat out my.

Speaker 3 (42:39):
Milo Why half a million dollars?

Speaker 24 (42:44):
Yeah?

Speaker 23 (42:45):
So I've had a look at it and looked into
the detail, and there are roughly six hundred odd people
in this new council building, and if half of them
have a cup of coffee day over forty eight weeks,
five days a week, it's looking at about fifty five
sixty six cents per coffee. But when you look at

(43:07):
that four hundred and seventy thousand dollars figure, I thought
it must have been coming from that Sumatran civet that
eats coffee beans off the jungle floor and then partially
digests them and then people make a very very expensive
coffee out of it.

Speaker 3 (43:23):
So the just the context of four hundred and seventy
thousand is for the machine, which is like a proper
barista machine, and the coffee beans for five years, but
not the milk, right, And the milk is correct one,
there's a lot of milk to froth it up. You
need a lot of milk to begin with, and then
there's a lot of waste of milk as well, So
we haven't counted that in the four seventy right.

Speaker 23 (43:46):
No, it's not gouther than seventy. I think it's a
conservative assumption that you've only got half the number of
public servants in the building having one coffee per day. Yeah, true,
So I think I think it's a reasonable assumption. That
being said, it's a hell of a big number. And
I think in support of the Mayor's comment around user

(44:09):
pays as a way of selling a rather large budget
hole that we've been left by the commission, charity starts
at home, and perhaps we could be charging fifty cents
or even a dollar a coffee from our council organization
to recap the costs, may start making money be tex issue.

Speaker 3 (44:29):
These are good to see, these are great ideas, but
people are ratepayers who just have been happ with a
twelve and a half percent rate increase. We'll be listening
to the thinking this is ridiculous. What are you going
to have a ten with people putting a dollar or
two dollars in? Why not just scrap the barista style
coffee all together and go with mconna hame.

Speaker 24 (44:48):
Oh well.

Speaker 7 (44:50):
It does.

Speaker 23 (44:51):
That was a very interesting add back in the nineties.
I would certainly be in favor of that. However, my
understanding is that the tender document has come back, so
it was published on the council website a month ago
when I saw it, and so we've got to work
with what we've been left. And so my view is,
make the best out of a bad situation. Get people

(45:13):
with their swipe cards to log in and you get
a dollar taken out of your your pay packet for
the next Fortnite, and go forward to it.

Speaker 2 (45:26):
It's step obligated.

Speaker 3 (45:27):
Does it? Does it? Really? Does? Steve? I think the
simple answer is just throw the machine out and save
yourself the money. Rip the contract up, Steve Morris, he's
they're telling a counselor twenty two minutes half to five
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Speaker 1 (46:52):
Checking the point of the story, it's Ryan Bridge on
Heather Duplicy Ellen Drive with one New Zealand.

Speaker 2 (46:59):
Let's get connected and news talks.

Speaker 3 (47:01):
They'd be five point twenty five on news talks. They'd
be good to have your company from today. If a
boss fails to pay you, it will actually be considered
a crime. Up until now, it wasn't really The bill
that made this law has had its Royal assent this week.
It means that it will now be a criminal offense

(47:21):
for an employer to intentionally fail to pay an employee
money they are legally owed. If you've ever not been paid,
you will know how frustrating, not just frustrating, but how
much that can bring you to anger, especially if the
boss refuses to pay it, and if it was done intentionally,

(47:41):
even worse the problem this actually happens more frequently than
you think. Twenty thousand migrant workers were exploited in this
country in the year of twenty eighteen alone, twenty thousand.
Unless there's a reasonable excuse. Now you can be well
your employers can be considered criminally libel labor and p

(48:03):
Ibraham Omer was his member's bill that kicked this off.
He was a refugee that came here and experienced wage
theft after arriving in New Zealand as a refugee, his
employer didn't pay him properly. It was wage theft. He
wanted to do something about it, so he has and
with the support of New Zealand First, they've now got

(48:24):
this bill into law, so good on them. It's about time.
It's not on and it's happening far too much right
across New Zealand. Twenty seven after five, Ryan Bridge, so
many texts on the coffee, Ryan, Why the f would
rate payers be paying for counselors coffee? Buy your own
freaking coffee, Ryan, support the local coffee shops. Miserable council.

(48:47):
That's the other thing. The justification for why totaling a
city council is going to pay for a barista style
coffee machine and beans for five years is because they
don't want the staff leaving their desk and going to
a coffee shop, which we have calculated as sixty seven
meters away. How much time are they spending up and

(49:07):
down out of their seats going to coffee shops? And
do people not have a smokeo break that's you know,
ten or fifteen minutes a lunch break, a smoko like
everybody else. I don't know these talks B. We'll get
to the huddle.

Speaker 1 (49:21):
Next after making the news the news makers talk to
Ryan Furst. It's Ryan Bridge on hither Duplicylan drive with
one New Zealand.

Speaker 2 (49:42):
Let's get connected news talks EDB.

Speaker 3 (49:51):
Pretty far away from sex news talks, said be. We'll
speak to Janet's training from the Herald after six and
also look into this water care why is the host
doubling for one of their projects? Also Torpedo seven the
new owners revealing quite a major shakeup. They're closing a
couple of stores and they're converting the majority of the
remaining stores. Changing the name of them will tell you

(50:13):
what too and how much it could save you. Quick
text though, this is on the totong returning to the
Totonga and the coffee and the council. Ryan, I used
to work it, and I have no way of knowing
if this text is true or not, by the way,
but I'm just gonna read it anyway because it's too good. Ryan,
I used to work at that council, totong A City Council,
and I can tell you it doesn't stop at the coffee.

(50:34):
There is bread, white and brown, all different types of spreads,
real butter, all the kind of natural tea that you
would like to choose from. There are three different types
of milk, and then there is the fancy chairs and
the fancy tables to sit at at their modern cafes.
For Smoko, it's a rought. Their rates are out of
control and that is just the start. Next, check out

(50:55):
the manager's salary and exactly what they are doing.

Speaker 9 (50:57):
It's appalling.

Speaker 25 (50:59):
Does sound like a nice to work though?

Speaker 3 (51:00):
Sounds lovely. Yeah, I wouldn't mind going there. Twenty three
away from six, World Athletics is going to make female
track and field athletes do a DNA test to prove
they are biologically female. Athletes will be subject to a
non invasive cheek swab, it's face cheek swab and a
dry blood spot test, and that would only be done

(51:23):
once in their career. Dave Durant is a former Olympian
emeritus professor in Sports Medicine at Otaga University. He's with
me this evening. Hi Dave, Oh, Hi Ryan, What exactly
does the DNA test tell us?

Speaker 24 (51:38):
Well, it concerns Ryan whether we are biologically male or female.
And I think this is the contentious issue that has arisen,
and I think it was highlighted at the Olympics in
Paris league controversy over the two boxers who were considered
not to be of the sex in which they were fighting.

(52:02):
And I think this is where the controversy over gender,
which is an affirmation and sex, which is a biologically
determined fact. It can't be changed. I think this is
where the controversy arose, and I think World Athletics are
doing their bit to ensure that people who do compete
in women's events are truly biological female athletes.

Speaker 3 (52:28):
And does is the test accurate? I mean is it? Yes?

Speaker 24 (52:33):
Yes?

Speaker 3 (52:33):
All right, So no question about that.

Speaker 24 (52:35):
And I know science is very very solid and it's
been I mean, it's used in common medical practice for
genetic issues and to determine the sex of individuals. So
it is sound and it is sound science.

Speaker 3 (52:49):
What about this argument that if you have transitioned after
or if you've transitioned, say during teenage, so you've never
had the advantage of testosterone during your formative years, that
might influence you know, your performance later in your career.
Does that come into it? This is quite a line

(53:10):
in the stand, isn't it. It's basically saying if you
were born a female, you're not welcoming athletics.

Speaker 24 (53:17):
No, it's saying, if you were born a biologically female,
you are entitled to compete in women's events. That's conflating
the terms gender and sex. I think when we talk
about males and females, we're talking about sex. When we
talk about men and women, we're talking about your affirmation

(53:38):
as a man or a woman, yes, which may not
be in accordance with your sex allocated at birth. Does
it make sense.

Speaker 3 (53:45):
Yes, So basically I got it around the wrong way
because it gets confusing when you start to but if
you're born biologically male years then you cannot compete.

Speaker 24 (53:57):
Yeah, no, that's true. I mean, and we have what's
called the binary in sport, is that biological females and
biological males differ from the time of puberty, where the
liberation of testosterone, the male hormone, is ten to fifteen
times higher in males. And it's the difference between developing stature, strength,

(54:22):
muscle power, endurance, and various other factors which give a
discriminator between men and women. It's why no women's world
record in any sport is faster or higher or longer
than any male. It's a question of fairness and it's
an acknowledgment of normal biological development.

Speaker 3 (54:41):
And a nutshell in a word, day Is this the
right move?

Speaker 24 (54:46):
I think it is Ryan and I think it kind
of sidesteps the controversy that arose in Paris where Thomas Bark,
the IOC president, said, well, as far as I'm concerned,
what's written in their passports and the way that these
two athletes were brought up, in other words, they were
brought up as females, is good enough for me. So

(55:07):
he put aside the science, which would have, I think,
put the debate to rest. And he went on a
fairly fundamental and ideological principle of saying, well, you know,
in their passports it says their women, and they've been
brought up as women. That's good enough for me.

Speaker 3 (55:23):
So this is bringing it back to bringing it back
to the science, Dave, which obviously is your field as well.
I appreciate your time, Dave Jerrard, who's a former Olympian
emeritus professor in Sports Medicine at Otaga University. It is
eighteen to.

Speaker 1 (55:35):
Six The Huddle with New Zealand Southeby's International Realty.

Speaker 2 (55:39):
Find your one of the Kind.

Speaker 3 (55:41):
I'm the Huddle tonight. Jack Tam, host of Saturday mornings
on News Talks, HEB and Q and A on TV one.
Hey Jack, Hey, Ryan, good to have you on. And
Jordan Williams is here from taxpos In. Hey, Jordan, did
the right the right move Jack by our World Athletics,
What do you think?

Speaker 26 (55:57):
I think they and many other sporting bodies simply feel
like things have got to a point where they have
to draw a line in the sand. And the problem is,
in some respects it is a very very difficult line
to draw, because inevitably they're going to be people you
upset and given participation is one of the kind of
foundations of most sports, they're going to be people who

(56:20):
feel as though they are being excluded from it. I
think for the most part, you know a lot of
people are going to support World Athletics with this. And
there's the transgender issue which they've referring to, which I
suppose is the difference between gender and sex and the
way that he described people as affirming their gender. I
think one of the big questions with World Athletics is

(56:41):
the place for people who have DSD. I think they
call it like differences in sexual development. So even though
we think of sex as being binary males and females,
obviously there are some people who have things like additional zones.
So they still might particularly be a woman or genetic man,

(57:02):
but they might have certain physical advantages that other people
who are sex as they have. And of works exposition
is that not only will this ruling mean that people
who are perhaps transgender and identify as the different gender
to their sex, not only will they not be able
to compete in their in they're chosen necessarily when the

(57:25):
gender they identify with necessarily, but also people who have
those naturally occurring differences might also be isolated. And like
I say, you've got you've got to draw a line somewhere.
I can imagine that that's a group of people who
feel pretty aggrieved at this because because when you think
about it, you know, sorry, just one last point, Like
when you think about it, like Michael, the reason he's
won so many gold medals, one of the reasons he's

(57:46):
won is because he has these kind of naturally occurring
physical qualities that distinguish him from other swimmers. I mean
you look at his the length of his arms, for example,
and his feet. I mean, he's completely different physiologically to
so many of his so many of his competitors. And
IPO saying that even some people who have those naturally
occurring differences, they're also going to be unable to compete,

(58:10):
you know, in the sticks that they were assigned.

Speaker 3 (58:15):
In other words, what about the hermaphrodites? And then that's
essentially Jordan where we're going here.

Speaker 2 (58:23):
It's not.

Speaker 27 (58:25):
Have much to say. I think that that Dave from
A from A if you'd listened to Radio New Zealand,
would have sounded quite radical. But based on the text
messages I can see coming into to this station seemed
quite mainstream. And what what more could I add to
what Jack and Dave have said?

Speaker 3 (58:45):
You don't want to touch this or that I've got.
Apparently fighting from other taxes attracts lots.

Speaker 27 (58:51):
Of enemies, apparently fighting for the difference between men and women.

Speaker 3 (58:55):
Also, I mean I've picked one fair enough, fair enough
we can be on from this topic. We don't all
have to pick aside. I think you've got to be
you've got to have a fair competition for women, for
biological women, but you can also have another Why can't
they have another category? You know what I mean?

Speaker 27 (59:13):
Like I saw you bite your tongue when he said,
you know, you only need to be tested once in
your life, and all the listeners were biting it by
the thinking is he going to ask? But what if
they change the gender?

Speaker 3 (59:23):
Well, and that's the thing though, isn't it Yeah, but
you did it. That was okay. No, I think David
I very well.

Speaker 27 (59:30):
He had most of what you couldn't read out.

Speaker 3 (59:32):
Fourteen away from Sex News talks. They'd be would be
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Speaker 1 (59:38):
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Speaker 3 (59:44):
Jack Tame and Jordan Williams on the huddle. Let's talk
about something you can talk about Jordan's soon as you
have whimped out of the last one total on a
city council in this coffee bill, So four hundred and
seventy thousand dollars will get you four coffee machines and
beans for five years.

Speaker 27 (59:59):
Just outrageous. This is a council that says, oh, we've
got no money. We're going to put up rates by
twelve percent, we need to revitalize the CBDA. Boy, oh boy,
We're not going to send our staff outside for you know,
to go to a cafe. What we just need to
get a grup. This is a story of the taxpayer

(01:00:19):
you've been sitting on. We've had this for about three weeks.
The council had to respond within the next week about
more details. We found the tender online and what do
you know, they give it to some friendly media and
stuff to try to spin it. I am sorry, Mahi Drysdale.
You should be on here explaining to tarring and rate

(01:00:40):
payers facing a twelve percent hike and rates.

Speaker 7 (01:00:43):
How on earth you.

Speaker 27 (01:00:45):
Justify half a million dollars for three four coffee machines.
You heard of espresso, There are a couple of hundred bucks.
Also heard of coffee capsules, they're a dollar each. You're
spending half a million dollars on four coffee machines.

Speaker 3 (01:01:00):
And presumably they will also have on top of that
Jack tea like they do here, and tea bags, you know,
instant coffee and Milo, you know what I mean. Like,
it's not just this. I'm assuming that's milk and the fridge.

Speaker 26 (01:01:13):
Yeah, well, careful Ryan. You know, I think some of
the shareholders a bit but un happy with things at
the moment, so you don't want to give out too
much corporate.

Speaker 25 (01:01:19):
Detail at the moment.

Speaker 26 (01:01:20):
But no, look, I just think what a missed opportunity.
I mean, like you're coming out of a period where
commissioners have been running the city because the council was
so dysfunctional. One of the absolute top of the list
most critical roles I think for the new council and
indeed for the new mayor is to win the trust
of the public. To show the public that actually they're
worthy of their votes, that they don't need commissioners, that

(01:01:42):
you have functioning leadership at the head of your council,
and to come out and say, yes, we know our
city's facing all sorts of pressures at the moment. This
is one relatively small, but a sacrifice none the less
that we are willing to make in order to make
sure we're getting the very best value for Totung's ratepayers.
I would have thought would be a really easy and
people are going to look at that baseline number half

(01:02:02):
a million bucks of the next few years and recoil.

Speaker 27 (01:02:05):
Yeah, And it's just it's utter arrogance from the sector.
And you know, we've got Local Government New Zealand currently
doing a pr campaign that's encouraging Simon Watts, the new
Minister of Local Government, to walk back on the on
the Prime Minister's commitments around rates caps and they say,
you know, trust us, trust us. You know there's no money,

(01:02:28):
there's no money, and then you see stories like this
and worse, the the hypocrites like Marhi Drysdale who say
they believe in user pays except when it applies to them,
apparently refusing to front. I just think that it's this
is exactly why the government needs to hold firm on
these rates caps and get local government back under control.

Speaker 3 (01:02:51):
We have one minute, Jack, I really want to quickly
get to TAMOTHA Paul. Is she wrong in her criticisms
of police and those on the beach?

Speaker 26 (01:02:57):
Yes, yes, yes, of course is a classic example of
politics in the bubble right. Like Timoth Paul speaking to
her die hard supporters, I bet they lapped up every word.
They would have absolutely loved it. But for all of
those voters out there who might one day be considering
voting for the Greens, they'll hear those comments and go,
you know what, These are totally devoid from reality. Maybe

(01:03:18):
for a tiny sliver of people they feel nervous seeing
police on the beat, but I think for the vast
majority of New Zealand, more police, more visible, makes them
feel more safe.

Speaker 3 (01:03:28):
And the evidence for an evidence based party, they didn't
look very hard for the evidence because they would have
found that there was a five and a half percent
drop on the place and Wellington where the beats were
happening in Jordan, Yeah.

Speaker 27 (01:03:38):
I mean these are not serious people. Are they to
suggest that police make people feel less safe? Look, as
we talked about a few weeks ago, the thing that
does make you feel least safe in Wellington, it's apparently
Green Empeas they go around abusing people. You know, I
that's or another one who does feel unsafe around the
police because she's getting arrested. I'm sorry for former Green Empea.

Speaker 2 (01:03:59):
This is not various.

Speaker 3 (01:04:00):
People, Jack Tame Jordan Williams on the huddle. Thanks guys.
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Five to six News Talks EDB. It's dry and Auckland
damn levels are down. So apparently at the moment sixty
one percent full. Normally at this time of year would
be at seventy five percent. What does all this mean? Well,
you could have water restrictions in the biggest city in
the country by May, which is way earlier than usual.
What is the problem, well it's dry. That means the

(01:04:37):
dams don't feel but it also means that we use
more water, and we're currently using four hundred and eighty
million liters every day, so we might have to pull
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Now just gone four minutes away from.

Speaker 2 (01:04:54):
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Speaker 3 (01:04:56):
Torpedo seven. We're going to talk about them after six
o'clock because they are closing two stores. They're converting the
majority of the remaining stores to what they're calling the outlet.
So the Torpedo seven brand will be gone from a
lot of stores, and the outlet to me, sounds a
little cheaper and it sounds like it will be for

(01:05:18):
your consumers as well. They have said in their release
Torpedo seven they'll be bringing quote even more value to customers.
So does that mean cheaper prices at the outlet, which
will be outside of those flagships, outside the cities where
those flagship Torpedo seven stores are. Help will talk to them,
the owners of Torpedo seven and the outlet after six

(01:05:40):
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It is seven alfter six. Great to have your company tonight,
Tony Tips training with us. Shortly from the Herald, a
Milford update on the Katman Do owner K M D
gave Gavin Gavin Gray forgive me who's in the UK?
Maybe Gaven, I don't know. I have never asked. And
also before the end of the hour, we're going to
get to this idea of not absenteeism but presentism and

(01:06:53):
how much that could be costing you and your business.
It's all ahead on the Business hour seven after six.
Now the new owners Torpedo seven have announced their plans
for the remaining sixteen stores across the country. Tahua Group
have bought Torpedo seven off the Warehouse Group for a
dollar last year. You remember that the six marquee Torpedo
seven stores will remain open, which is good for you

(01:07:16):
to know that Westgate locations will shut. But the interesting
part is what's happening to the other ten stores they'll
rebrand is a new retail chain called The Outlet. Roger
Harper is the Tahua Group managing director. He's with me tonight.
Roger Good evening.

Speaker 28 (01:07:34):
Hi Roan, great to talk to you.

Speaker 3 (01:07:35):
Tell it what is the what's the cell here without
let why the rebrand? What's going on?

Speaker 28 (01:07:42):
Well, some time ago we saw what we thought was
a real gap in the market over here. Obviously we
actually not the new owners. We bought Torpedo seven a
year ago and you know we've been working to turn
that business around, but we'd also seen a gap in
the market that we thought there was for outlet shopping,

(01:08:05):
particularly in retail New Zealand. Now, if you think about
outlet shopping, everybody loves outlet shopping, opportunity for a treasure hunt,
to find a brand at a great price. And we
have outlet shopping in New Zealand. Think Dress Smart or
Manowa Bay that recently opened in Auckland. But what we're

(01:08:26):
trying to do and well, and outlet malls are massive
in Australia, off price retail massive overseas think TK and
TJ Max in the US and the UK. But we're
going to try and put it all into one store
and take it to provincial New Zealand and some main
centers as well. But you know, you can't stack an

(01:08:48):
outlet mall up in napier, but you can provide an
amazing store with great brands at great prices. So we
think there's a opportunity there.

Speaker 3 (01:08:56):
What brands are we talking about and what how much
cheaper are we talking?

Speaker 28 (01:09:02):
Well, you you name a brand, Ryan, and well where
where you know in the market. We'll be buying locally
and buying from offshore, and we're hopeful of buying all
the big brands and apparel and footwear in particular, but
sports home a number of categories. It's all about getting

(01:09:24):
getting great deals. And and when you're talking what's it
going to be in terms of price, we're saying it's
going to be you know, fifty to seventy thirty to
seventy percent of freetail.

Speaker 3 (01:09:37):
I would say, okay, well this is I mean, if
you're listening in the regions, this will be very welcome news.
I would imagine what about the Torpedo seven stores that
you're keeping the flagship, the Marquee stores. You know, why
were you keen on picking up the brand and are
they still performing well? Obviously are and you're keeping them open.

Speaker 28 (01:09:58):
Yeah, Look, we were really keen on the brand. We
love the category. New Zealand Outdoors who wants to not
to love about the New Zealand Outdoors And the brand
was well known and well loved. It obviously was having
a lot of problems with its previous owner, but we
love a good turnaround and we saw a real opportunity

(01:10:21):
there to turn this business around. And it has scale.
It was a significant size business, so I think it
when as previous owner had twenty four twenty five stores,
they actually closed a few and we're basically looking for
what is a sustainable model for that brand. It actually

(01:10:42):
started out over twenty years ago in Hamilton as a
pure online play and we think, you know, retail channels
have changed, but they haven't changed. We'd gone back to
being more online having hero stores. It should be a
great experience in the flagship stores. They'll be well stopped,

(01:11:03):
have great product, great deals. But online is going to
be a major part of it is a major part
of this business and it's probably going to be a
bigger part in the future. And the existing outlet stores
were still able to click and collect the product from
those stores.

Speaker 3 (01:11:22):
Are we still are we still as into the outdoors
as we as we always have been. I'm just looking
at the Catman do result I mean a less than
stellar result from them today. Sort of sport outdoors.

Speaker 28 (01:11:34):
Yeah, no, I think we are. We love the outdoors
and as I said Watson, not to love about the
New Zealand outdoors. I think what it's happened is it's
really gone through an unusual cycle because during the COVID period,
everybody went out and bought a bike or a tent,
or a stand up paddle board or that sort of thing.

(01:11:55):
So we had a massive binge over those COVID years
and the whole industry, including as you mentioned Katman do,
has suffered a bit of a hangover after that. I
think a lot of those business thought that it was
the new normal and when stopped up thinking that business
was going to carry on at that level, and it didn't.

Speaker 3 (01:12:20):
But it'll come back.

Speaker 28 (01:12:21):
It'll go through a cycle. As I say, you know,
people end up buying new tent, they'll end up buying
a bicycle, a snowboard. You know, these things will come
back again.

Speaker 3 (01:12:33):
Roger, great to have you on the show. Appreciate your
time this evening. Roger Harper Tahua Group Managing Director. They
are the owners of Torpedo seven. I've announced some pretty
significant changes to the brand today, keeping the flagship stores,
the Hero stores as Roger called them, the six Marquee
stores and two will close and the remaining stores will
go to in the provinces, will go to outlet stores,

(01:12:55):
which I imagine will be very welcome news coming up
next to atyp training from the Heralders with us. You'll
remember we brought you the story of the government making
changes to attract wealthy foreigners back to New Zealand or
Kiwis who are living overseas back to New Zealand. There
are now calls for the government to expand the sweeteners

(01:13:16):
that they've offered to foreigners coming here and offer them
to us. She'll have that story.

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Speaker 2 (01:14:34):
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Speaker 3 (01:14:35):
There are calls for the government to go further at
seventeen minutes after six in amending complex tax rules so
that they benefit every day key we investors as well
as wealthy foreigners. The government's trying to attract here. We
spoke about this a couple of weeks back. Jane Chips
Trainee is The Herald's Wellington Business editor, Wellington Business Editor
and she's with me tonight. Hi Jane, Hi, right, good

(01:14:57):
to have you back. So give us an idea of
what we're talking about here. Remind us it's the fifth
rules of Foreign Investment Fund rules. Who do they apply
to currently? What's the deal?

Speaker 16 (01:15:07):
Right?

Speaker 20 (01:15:08):
So currently they these tax rules are basically aimed at
incentivizing investment in New Zealand assets in the share market,
so on that it's a good sort of principle. A
quirk of the rules though, is that for is that
they treat investments that New Zealanders have offshore slightly differently

(01:15:29):
to the way they treat investments that you have locally. Now,
that's only for investments worth more than fifty thousand dollars.
So if you have more than fifty thousand dollars in
shares invested in the US or you know, other sorts
of investments, you fall under this tax regime, which is
different to the regime that you'd fall under if you

(01:15:51):
had shares invested in the New Zealand Stock Exchange, or
if you had shares invested through your key we Saber fund.
That's that's probably that's a pie fund. So that's a structure.
So Charez's, which is an investment platform, has raised the
point that actually this gets awfully complicated for people regular

(01:16:12):
kiwis who it's quite you know, you don't have to
be super wealthy to have more than fifty thousand dollars
invested offshore. It gets super complicated at tax time because
you have to navigate potentially two different tax systems. You
have to figure out, firstly, do you have more than
fifty thousand dollars invested offshore in the sorts of assets
that fall under this regime, and then if yes, you

(01:16:34):
have to go through a few more hoops and hurdles
to satisfy the ID. So this has been a long
standing problem. The thing is is that that fifty thousand
dollars threshold hasn't been changed in more than twenty five years.
So back in the day when it was introduced, fifty
thousand dollars was a lot of money. It's still a lot,

(01:16:56):
but perhaps not quite as much as it used to be.

Speaker 3 (01:17:00):
Interesting, so, do you think the government's actually going to
pick this up and change it because presumably it will
cost them something.

Speaker 20 (01:17:07):
Well, yeah, that's the thing. So I took to Revenue
Minister Simon Watts yesterday and he said he was open
to changing that fifty thousand dollars threshold. Basically, it would
just ease the administrative burden on New Zealand investors. It
would mean that you know, you don't have to go

(01:17:28):
through your investments and figure out well, what falls under
this regime and what falls under that regime, and you know,
you could set it at a higher level and still
incentivize domestic investment or investment through pithon. So that's a
certain type of structure. You can still invest in off
short assets, but if you do it through the certain
pithon structure, then that's fine. Now, the reason this has

(01:17:51):
all come up in the news is because Simon Watts
earlier this month said that he planned to make changes
to these rus but only in a way that benefited
foreigners and not in a way that benefits you and
I or regular New Zealanders. So I guess the fact
that he is looking at these rules in the context

(01:18:12):
of attracting wealthy New Zealanders to New Zealand means that,
you know, it is putting the issue on the agenda,
and it is putting it on the table. I think
it also sort of fits into the broader thing that
the government's trying to do in terms of encouraging people
to save and invest for their retirements. A lot of
young people might get to retirement without owning a home,

(01:18:34):
so you know the investments that they have in shares
are probably increasingly important for their well beings.

Speaker 3 (01:18:43):
Yeah, fascinating stuff. Hopefully the foreigners and the exemption there
will have opened the door for the rest of us.
Jane Tips Trainey, the Herald Wellington Business editor, with US
twenty two minutes after six. Carol has chexted in the
show about I just mentioned earlier that we've got a well,
it's dry Auckland. We're at sixty one percent of capacity

(01:19:03):
in the dams when it's normally as seventy five percent.
Carol says evening. We farm in the North Waikato, also
very dry here. Our house is on tank water. We
have been careful with our water for the last two months.
Definitely not taking rain in the summer is a given.
Fortunately we've got two excellent balls on our supply. They
stock are currently adding silas now though as it's too
dry to grow much grass. Thought you might enjoy a

(01:19:25):
real prospective A country perspective enjoy your show. Regards. Carol
carried you so I did very much. Thank you. And
also I do think there's a weird you know, we
might be having restrictions on water in May. I do
think there's something weird that we don't have them now.
I mean, they know we're going to need them later
and while it's dry and people are kind of, you know,

(01:19:48):
aware of that. I mean, once it starts raining, you
feel like, why do you need to save water? You know,
Carol's got it. She's already saving water. She's been saving
water all summer. Twenty three minutes after Sex News Talks B.
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Speaker 1 (01:20:02):
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Six halfter Sex News Talks, there'd be time to have
a look at the markets now. Jeremy hasn't from Milford
Asset Management with me. Jeremy, Good evening evening, right, Yeah,
good to have you back. KMD Brands released their half
year financial results today. Stock has had a torrid few weeks.
What are investors buying into here?

Speaker 29 (01:20:34):
Yeah, KMD brands had their numbers out today and just
remember that this is looking back six months into the
last half of twenty twenty four, but it is over
the very important Christmas and New Year spend period for retailers.
And will also a quick reminder on the brands in KMD.
So the very well known Catman Do a power brand,

(01:20:55):
and then it's also got Ripkel, which is a very
important surf brand as well. But you're right, the business
has had a torrid time, particularly over the past few years.
The share price is down seventy seven percent since the
peak in November twenty twenty one, and that's largely been
tracking sales down and profits down across all their brands.

(01:21:15):
So investors here are really backing a cyclical retail recovery story,
but it will take a few years to come to
a fruition.

Speaker 3 (01:21:22):
But finally, I guess some sales improvements that would make
some retailers pretty happy.

Speaker 29 (01:21:29):
Yeah, importantly in the update today, they always provide some
directional trends in sales and they have been improving. And
then finally in the last quarter of twenty twenty four,
both the important brands Catmen Do and rip Curl reported
positive sales growth again versus the Pride period and this
was the first time that we'd seen positive sales growth

(01:21:49):
in over two years. So really good to see and
perhaps the start of the turnaround story for KMD brands.

Speaker 3 (01:21:55):
Yeah, let's hope. So Jeremy, thank you very much for
that up there. I appreciate your time. Jeremy hatton Milford
Hasset Management and update there on km D brand so
which remember owns Catmandu and the likes of rip curl.
Twenty seven after six News Talks EDB forget absenteeism? Is
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And can you prove the amount? Google Subtle and I'm

(01:22:18):
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this number for us. He's on the show after the
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Talk SEB. We'll get to Gavin Graham in the UK
before top of the the prison striker is over for
Dean Wickliffe. This is the notorious criminal New s Ouland,
criminal who's been on a hunger strike for what is
it now, in more than two weeks. He's seventy seven.

(01:23:19):
He's out of jail. He's been released from prison effective immediately.
He appeared before the parole boards this afternoon and the
board said, because remember the reason he was recalled to
prison in the first place is and he's in and
out of prison his whole life essentially, But he was
recalled to prison in the first place because he breached

(01:23:40):
parole because he was not living at the address that
he was paroled too. He was living in his car
on March the fifth. So the Parole Board has seen
him this afternoon. They have determined that that was the
right decision, but they have also exercised their quote discretion
to order his release. The board considered mister Wickcliff's accommodation

(01:24:04):
and support proposal adequately addressed the risk. So he's out
and presumably enjoying a meal twenty three minutes away from seven.

Speaker 2 (01:24:14):
Now.

Speaker 3 (01:24:15):
This story from HSBC, and it's worth paying attention to
HSBC because not only are they one of the top
ten banks in the world, but they are also the
top bank for funding trade. Sir Mark Taylor, sorry, Sir
Mark Tucker is the chair of HSBC. He's given a
speech at the investment summit in Hong Kong that the

(01:24:35):
HSP has been holding, and he says some really interesting stuff.
He says globalization may have run its course. Big call
to make, I know, But he says, you add tariffs
and geopolitical tensions together and you get basically separation of
the world. To quote him. As we consider present developments,
we believe that globalization as we know it may now

(01:24:59):
have run its core economic considerations. Guiding optimally efficient supply
chains led to one of the world's greatest periods of
wealth creation. We have ever seen the balance of economic
power changed as a result, and what used to be
sustainable no longer is. He says. Now smaller blocks will emerge,

(01:25:20):
Smaller trading blocks, political groupings, and trade blocks is what
he calls them, as opposed to what we've been enjoying
for the last few decades. Globalization twenty two to seven
Bridge looks like you're not doing your boss any favor.
By going to work while you're unwell. Umbrella Wellbeing Reckons.
Businesses are losing billions of dollars a year due to

(01:25:42):
workers pushing through while they're physically or mentally unwell. Umbrella
principal psychologist doctor Dourgal Sutherland is with me Hi Dogle.
How are you good, evening, Ryan?

Speaker 29 (01:25:52):
I'm well, thank you.

Speaker 3 (01:25:53):
Good to have you on the show. So you're calling
this presenteeism as opposed to absenteeism, what is it?

Speaker 5 (01:26:02):
Yeah, Look, absenteeism is where people are absent from the
workplace because they're sick, easy to count noticeable. Presenteeism is
when people are physically present in the workplace but they
are not performing at their full level of productivity. And
we would say that that's at least a third or

(01:26:22):
more decline in productivity. So you're sitting at your desk,
but you're really mentally kind of not fully there, so
you're not able to work to your full capacity. And
we think it's a very hidden cost for employers because
it's very hard to count. But as you say that,
you know, an estimate is that it's costing over forty
billion dollars in lost productivity every year to new Zealand.

Speaker 3 (01:26:47):
Where's that estimate come from.

Speaker 5 (01:26:50):
Look, it's it's based on some averages. So people saying, look,
thirty if we go on the idea that thirty three
percent less productivity, and that average is out at about
two thousand dollars per worker in lost productivity per month.
So this is people saying that I lose about six
days per month, and then if you average that out

(01:27:12):
across the entire population. So look, it's a big estimate.
And we're wanting to spark a conversation about this because
there's not a lot of good research around us. So
it's a first attempt at trying to get some numbers
on this particular phenomena. We know this phenomena occurs, there's
lots of research internationally that shows it, and so we're

(01:27:34):
trying to somehow put some figures on this.

Speaker 3 (01:27:37):
Okay, fair enough, let's put the physical ailments to a
side for a second, just talk focus on the psychological
Are you not better off being at work? I mean
even if you're not from and this is from the
individual's perspective, not the companies, but are you not better
off being at work if you're feeling down depressed? Maybe
not one hundred percent. Are you not better off being
around people rather than ourt home moping?

Speaker 5 (01:28:00):
There is certainly an argument, and we were sort of
distinguished between different types of presenteeism. So there are types
of presenteeism when yes, it's probably useful for you to
be at work. But I think the key thing is
acknowledging that that's actually going on. The big cost here

(01:28:21):
is when it's hidden, when the manager, the boss, the
organization doesn't know it's happening, and the person is there
pretending almost to work, and then the organization scratching it
to here, going, gee, why aren't we as productive as
we usually are? We already know that New Zealand is
one of the least productive countries in the OECD, and

(01:28:41):
we scratch our heads, going.

Speaker 7 (01:28:42):
I wonder why that is?

Speaker 5 (01:28:43):
Because we work longer hours in many other countries in
the OECD. And maybe this is part of it, that
actually we're working longer but not doing a heck of
a lot.

Speaker 3 (01:28:54):
May what's the I guess, what's the alternative for the
for the manager or the business owner, you know, having
that person not be at work, which would which would
be even less productive? Well, you know, well, how many
days I mean six days. You mentioned six days per month.
That's that's a lot of time off.

Speaker 5 (01:29:14):
So it's about how we structure that work. I heard
somebody today say, hey, I do this all the time
because I'm the only person in my job or in
my organization that can do my particular job, so I
have to work well. That smacks to me of a
job that isn't well designed because there's no redundancy. There's
no backup in that job. So you're relying on one

(01:29:37):
single person. Now that person is there and you think, oh,
we must be doing well. Actually they could be functioning
at thirty three percent less or even worse in their productivity.
So organizations and businesses need to look at we're kind
of fooling ourselves. We think that because somebody is physically
present in the workplace, they must be working. And I

(01:29:58):
think that's why we've seeing this as a hidden cost,
because because we look we just look at the fact
that somebody is sitting there or standing there in their job,
and we think, therefore they must be producing. We think
it's possibly cheaper if you're actually having some built in
redundancies into your workplace.

Speaker 3 (01:30:15):
Interesting. Doctor Dougal Sutherland Umbrella principal psychologists. Really appreciate your
time this evening, seventeen minutes away from seven. I guess
there's some jobs and you've got a job where you
cannot mark around. You know, you we would know very
quickly if you were not here one hundred percent of
the time, you know, I mean, if your if your

(01:30:36):
mind was not one hundred percent go because you sorry, Roan,
were you talking to me exactly exactly, we would it
would become very apparent very quick.

Speaker 4 (01:30:44):
Now.

Speaker 25 (01:30:44):
Anyone who listens to the show will know that we
definitely never ever hear a sting played in the wrong
place because I've never made a mistake. How many years
have I've been working on the show and not once?

Speaker 3 (01:30:52):
Had not often? Though not often? Thanks. I appreciate you know,
it should happen more often, I think, because you're only human,
aren't you at the end of the day. But there
are some jobs and people are texting in, you know,
like council. If you're on the council or you work
for the council, you can probably mark around. Who would
really know that people work here? I don't.

Speaker 25 (01:31:13):
Actually, I can probably contribute to this conversation in a
helpful way. Ryan and when during the pandemic, when I
did have to isolate at home for a little bit
with COVID nineteen, obviously couldn't do this job because I
have a physical desk in front of me that I
need to touch to do it. But I was able
to transfer to one of the other roles here that
involves ringing people in organizing interviews. So it was harder
to do that job from home when I didn't have
all the resources I do in the office, but I

(01:31:35):
did still have a cell phone and a laptop, so
I could still do that. So there are some jobs that, yeah,
you're right, you probably could do from home if you're sick,
and maybe.

Speaker 3 (01:31:42):
Not as productive. But that job, so that you're talking
about a producer, which is what Laura does, Laura who
does not speak, that job, that job you could fudge,
you know that that job you can.

Speaker 25 (01:31:54):
And to Doogle's point as well, I definitely wasn't a
job I don't usually do, so there's no way I
would have been as.

Speaker 3 (01:32:02):
So I guess the question for you at Heimers, what's
the job that you I mean, what job do you
have if you're one of these people who fudges your
way through life. You know, and you're you're six days
per month, you're basically checked out your heads in vacation mode.
What job is doing and please don't say bus driver?

Speaker 1 (01:32:19):
Accord to seven croaging the numbers and getting the results.
It's Ryan Bridge with the Business hour and mass insurance
and investments.

Speaker 2 (01:32:28):
Grew your wealth, Protect your future. News Talks EDB.

Speaker 3 (01:32:33):
Twelve minutes away from seven News Talks ZB. We'll get
to your texts, some very funny ones on what you
can basically call in for a job in New Zealand.
Right now we're going to the UK. Kevin Grays with Uskevin,
good evening to you, Good evening. Run Now you've got
an update on the Heathrow airport fire. What was it
suspicious or not? No, please say it wasn't.

Speaker 30 (01:32:55):
The fire broke out on Friday and resulted in the
closure of Heathrow, up Europe's busiest airport, an estimated quarter
of a million people affected and sixty three thousand homes
lost power in an outage caused by a far at
a nearby electricity station or substation. We have since been

(01:33:15):
told that actually Heathrow could have received its power from
two other substations, but chose to shut down because it
would take too long to close all the systems down
and reboot them. So lots of people saying, well, hang
on a minute, that's the whole point of a shutdown.
And if you can't have a backup system without actually

(01:33:35):
having to shut the whole thing down, then what's the point.
This has been a big, big concern lots of the
two investigations launched, one by the government and one by
Heathrow Airport itself to answer some of these questions and
about resilience of the major transport hub in question, and
plenty of people not keen on Heathrow's response with such

(01:33:56):
huge effects on people around the world.

Speaker 24 (01:33:58):
But yet the.

Speaker 30 (01:33:59):
Police now said no suspicious circumstances.

Speaker 3 (01:34:02):
Okay, interesting given the racial reason. A spring statement to
the House of Commons. We're all looking forward to this
because it's sort of like what is she going to cut?
How deep is she going to go? It will include
school lunches, what's on them menu?

Speaker 30 (01:34:17):
Yeah, and in nearly seven hours time or a little
under seven hours time now we will find out.

Speaker 3 (01:34:23):
But it's not looking good.

Speaker 30 (01:34:24):
So there's a combination here of low economic growth and
higher interest rates on government borrowing and that's really been
dealing a blow to the plans that had been made
to the government because they're to their forecasts have been
way too optimistic round about the state of the economy,
and the government has set its non negotiable rules on
borrowing and debt. This is they are not going to

(01:34:47):
borrow to fund day to day public spending and to
get government debt falling as a share of national income
by the end of the parliament. If anything, though, that's
going the wrong way, and so we believe there could
be more welfare cuts announced a little later. Already she's
announced about twelve billion New Zealand dollars worth of cuts
to welfare. She's also announced a fifteen percent cuts to

(01:35:09):
civil servants, so there'll be massive amount of redundancies coming there.
But the forecasts were that the economy we'd grow by
two percent this year one point eight percent next year.
The Bank of England says it's going to be nearer
to one percent, and that means the little riggle room
that she'd left herself in her early calculations has completely
gone and so there is now going to have to

(01:35:30):
be some massive changes that will result. Really I think
in some problems for her. The government had pledged no
increase to personal taxes, but now I think we're in
a state where we may well.

Speaker 2 (01:35:43):
See a reversal of that.

Speaker 30 (01:35:45):
Maybe not this time around, but maybe there'd be a
hint of it in this speech about what happens next
time around in the autumn budget in about six months time.

Speaker 3 (01:35:54):
Okay, nice one. Givin, thank you very much for that.
Givin Gray, a UK correspondent with US nine minutes away
from seven. You're on News Talks EDB.

Speaker 1 (01:36:03):
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Speaker 3 (01:36:11):
Six away from seven. Thanks for all your texts on
the absentearism presentearism thing. Ryan, I'm a fast food regional manager.
I basically said, what is your job? If you do
a job and you call, you know, you turn up
and you're only sixty seventy percent there mentally and you
can get away with that. Someone said, fast food regional manager,

(01:36:31):
that's my job, Ryan, What poppycork? This poppycock? Rather, this
study is a less productive day is way more profitable
than an absent worker who doesn't turn up at all.
We are dentists. You wouldn't want an absent minded dentist,
would You're pulling out the wrong too, that's the last
thing you.

Speaker 25 (01:36:50):
Want to please Please keep concentrating, Yeah, at one hundred percent.

Speaker 3 (01:36:53):
As much a one hundred percent, I guess with a dentist,
you can probably chan you know, between patience, you can
tune out. But when you're actually like.

Speaker 25 (01:37:01):
Once you've got the tooth out right, yeah, then you
can kind of relax for a moment exactly just while
you're you know, messing around inside the mouth.

Speaker 3 (01:37:09):
You've got to be quite you know, onto it on
the ball.

Speaker 25 (01:37:11):
It's like it's like or you know, at one of
the army's bomb disposal technicians, like while they're actively working
on a bomb, I would hope that they're thinking about
it quite hard.

Speaker 3 (01:37:18):
See, that's the that's almost the extra version.

Speaker 25 (01:37:21):
Once you've given up and you're running away from the bomb,
then you know you can go with the theory.

Speaker 3 (01:37:25):
But they see their level of concentration would have to
be one thousand percent for ten percent of their career,
you know what I mean, because they're not going to
dispose of that many bombs unless they're in I suppose
in a war zone that in their in their career.
Someone says, rying coffees and toad on her. What have
we going out to tonight?

Speaker 25 (01:37:44):
That the chain by Fleetwood Mac. Two players out tonight.
I've sort of got some Fleetwood Mac news. So the
longtime guitarist of the band Lindsay bucking him, or at
least he was until he was, as he basically has implied,
booted out. In twenty eighteen, he has been seen in
the recording studio with Mcfleetwood, who was still very much
with Fleetwood Mac. So yeah, the two of them have
been seen in a recording studio by a Swedish producer

(01:38:08):
who took some photos and said, hey, it's very nice
to see these two working together again. So lovely something
maybe on the horizon.

Speaker 3 (01:38:14):
Nice one, Nance, Thanks for all your feedback everyone, great day.

Speaker 9 (01:38:17):
Will see tomorrow

Speaker 1 (01:39:45):
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