Full Show Podcast: 27 May 2025

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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Digging through the spithens to find the real story. Boring.
It's Heather Dupercy Elm drive with One New Zealand Let's
get connected news talks.

Speaker 2 (00:13):
Ev Hey, good afternoon, Welcome to the show. Coming up today.
Police Minister Mark Mitchell with us after five to talk
us through why the police aren't turning up to shop
lifting below five hundred dollars in New Zealand is bringing
in jets to fly that Hamilton to christ Church Path.
We'll get you across that. Plus we're going to speak
to one New CEO, Jason Paris about how much he

(00:34):
loves AI and why it freaks most people out. Heather Dupericy, Ellen,
you want to know what damage control looks like. Look
at what's going on with the police not investigating thefts
below five hundred dollars. Revelation yesterday this wasn't a particularly
big deal. Blair the police officer came on this show.
He told us nothing new here. When someone calls in
a theft below five hundred dollars or a petrol drive

(00:55):
off below one hundred and fifty dollars, it just gets filed.
It's about it. That's what happens. Big deal today hell,
what a change today. We've got Richard Chambers, the top cop,
already made a statement. He just called a press conference
that's going to be happening in thirty minutes. The Prime
Minister's office has slammed the directive that's been sent out
to police staff. He says it was wrong. Mark Mitchell,

(01:18):
the Police Minister, called into Kerry's show this morning to
clarify his position on it. Now, when a minister, and
this is the most significant, when a minister calls talk back,
you know, you're not dealing with a ten out of
ten sized problem. You're dealing with a fifteen out of
ten size grenade. This is huge. This is a massive problem.
Because of course it's a massive problem. I mean, this

(01:38):
is a government that was elected in part because it
promised to deal with retail crime and crime generally. Now,
what I cannot understand is what they think they're doing today,
because every single one of them, from Richard Chambers to
Mark Mitchell to the Prime Minister, I think, although I'm
prepared to cut him some slack on this, but the
other two are trying to pretend that the memo was
a mistake and that's not going to happen, and the

(02:00):
police are going to turn up to all retail crime.
No they're not. It's simply not possible. On the numbers.
There are more than a million offenses every year. There
are only ten thousand police officers. They simply cannot investigate
them all. They cannot even turn up to them all.
There are countless examples of already of police not investigating

(02:21):
stolen stuff worth even more than five hundred dollars. I mean,
there was the case of the three thy six hundred
dollars mountain bike that the cops were told exactly where
it was and they didn't go and get it. So
five hundred dollars is probably not even accurate. Mark Mitchell
and the police boss have got a problem on their
hands here because it is clearly a shock to people
to see in writing that the cops are not going

(02:42):
to turn up for low level crime. But pretending today
that the cops will turn up is not a strategy
because I can tell you what the next crime that
an officer doesn't turn up to go straight to the
front page of where the Herald, right, so we can
all read about it in its glory, and it will
prove that the memo was right. After all, we're going
to find the true out anyway. So when Mark Mitchell

(03:02):
and the Prime Minister and the police boster all this
damage control today, I reckon a mayor. Just pay to
be honest about what's really going.

Speaker 1 (03:09):
On, Heather do for ce Ellen.

Speaker 2 (03:12):
Nine two nine two is the text number, standard text
fees apply, hit me with it. Now onto something altogether different,
which is politics. Of course, Winston Peters he has today
ruled out working with Labour leader Chris Hipkins in any
future coalition. He's not ruled out working with Labor, just
ruled out working with Chippy. Now, what that means is
that dries up the most credible paths of victory for Labor.
It means that they would most likely need to form

(03:33):
a coalition with the Greens and the Maori Party in
order to form a government after the next election. Now
Chris Hipkins is the opposition leader.

Speaker 3 (03:41):
High Chippy, go today, Heather, how are you?

Speaker 2 (03:43):
I'm very well, thank you? How are you? Because this
means you're not going to be Prime minister.

Speaker 3 (03:47):
I think it means that Winston Peters are saying that
a vote for him as a vote for Christopher lux
and David Seymore and Winston Peters to continue to run
their coalition of chaos. I think of New Zealander's want
to government, where Winston Peter's and David c aren't holding
the country to rent them on a daily basis, they
need to give their.

Speaker 4 (04:03):
Vote to labor.

Speaker 2 (04:05):
Yeah, but I mean this is a problem for you now,
isn't it chippy? Because the alternatives for you the only
option you are left with. You're left with two options
that I can see. Number one, majority labor government that's
not going to happen for ages because of what you
guys did last time. Or number two you guys plus
the Greens and the Maldi Party and there's no way
Center voters are going to go for that. So your
options are dried up, haven't they.

Speaker 3 (04:26):
Oh look, there's still plenty of water to flow under
the bridge yet. But my goal is to get out
there and grow labors.

Speaker 2 (04:31):
What is that here? But I mean, come on, be realistic.
What's that water going to change? The water can flow
under the bridge, what changes?

Speaker 4 (04:37):
Oh?

Speaker 3 (04:37):
Look, lots can change. But my goal is to grow
what vote during that time? You know, I don't think
it's true. I think, frankly, I think it's too. It's
premature to be talking about potential coalitions yet. You know,
I think we've got to get out there in each
campaign for our you know, for our own share of
the vote. And then you know, MMP does require parties
to work together. But I think unlike this government, you know,

(04:58):
we will have some bottom line and we'll set those
out before the election. And you know, we're not just
going to allow the smaller parties to call all the
shots in the way that Christopher Luxin and the National
Party currently are doing.

Speaker 2 (05:08):
You have got a giant target on your back in
that party, now, haven't you.

Speaker 4 (05:12):
No, not at all.

Speaker 2 (05:13):
You're the problem, Chippy, You're the problem. He said. It's
not a Labor problem. It's a Chippy problem. So if
I was, if I was a right thinking person in
the Labor Party right now and saw you as being
the problem, you're literally the thing that stops them from
becoming a government. You know, perhaps with Winston Peters, i'd
roll you.

Speaker 3 (05:30):
I think most people in the Labor Party look at
Winston Peters and I think we'd rather not have to.

Speaker 4 (05:33):
Work with them anyway.

Speaker 3 (05:34):
I mean, his views are quite incompatible with ours.

Speaker 4 (05:38):
It's not the same.

Speaker 5 (05:38):
That's not incompatible ten years ago.

Speaker 2 (05:40):
Come on, what are you telling me that your views
are more aligned with the Maori Party?

Speaker 3 (05:45):
Frankly, I'm not interested in some of the stuff that
Winston Beaters keeps being on.

Speaker 2 (05:48):
Are you interested in some of the stuff the Malory
Party is doing at the moment?

Speaker 3 (05:51):
No, because I think both of them are trying to
provoke a culture or that I have no interest in
getting involved.

Speaker 2 (05:56):
And so who are you going to How are you
going to become government chippy? You can't do it your own?

Speaker 3 (06:01):
Well, you know, look, as I said, plenty of water
to flow under the bridge before the next election, Mike
got My goal is to grow Labors vote as large
as I can because, come on, the bigger Labour's year
of the vote, the less influenced the smaller parties get.
That's the simple maths of MMP.

Speaker 2 (06:15):
What do you think Do you think some sort of
floating down this river and through under the bridge is
some sort of magical party that you can now coalis with?
Is the Unicorn Party is going to arrive?

Speaker 3 (06:26):
I think New Zealanders deserve to have the opportunity to
have a say on this, rather than us predetermining it
all for them. And they do that in the form
of a general election. What we will do before the
election is set out which parties we think we can
find common ground within, which parties we don't think we
can find common ground with. And that will also include
setting out what is and isn't on the table, because

(06:46):
you're not going to that. We simply wouldn't want.

Speaker 2 (06:49):
Are you going to go to the public and say,
do you know what, I can't work with Winston, but jeez,
I can work with that, Debbie and Lawity. Are you
going to do that?

Speaker 3 (06:57):
No, I've said before the election we will set out
exactly who we can and can't work with, but we'll
do that closer to the election.

Speaker 2 (07:03):
You need to stop listening to Willie Jackson, but you
know that he does not represent normal people. Ah.

Speaker 3 (07:09):
We will do that based on where we think we
can work with other parties, where we can find common ground,
I like Winston Peters. It won't be based on PT vendettas.
It will be based on points of principle.

Speaker 2 (07:20):
Thank you for your time to be as always. Chris Hopkins,
Labor Party leader here they tell him is dreamer. He's dreaming,
you know. Can I just tell you quickly just very quickly.
My reference to Willie, I reckon Willie because what's going
on is Chippy comes out and he says, I'm going
to do blah blah blah, and then he goes into
that caucus meeting, and then will he makes some changes.
Might remember he was all like, I'm going to say

(07:41):
I'm not going to fill a buster on the Marty parties, hucker.
Then he went into the caucus room. Then he came
out and he was like, hmm, I think I'm going
to fill a buster now. I reckon. I reckon Willy's
got way too much sway in there. And Willie, because
he's tight with j T, he doesn't realize that the
Marty Party are a bit He thinks that it's okay anyway, whatever.
We'll talk about this later on. Plenty more thoughts on this,

(08:01):
and actually on that subject, Stu Nash reckons that they're
going to have to roll Chippy. Actually we'll get onto
that later quarter past.

Speaker 1 (08:09):
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Speaker 2 (08:16):
Darcy water Grave, sports talk hosters of me Heydus.

Speaker 6 (08:18):
What do you try though, right, Honorable Chip, would that work?

Speaker 2 (08:24):
Okay? So what's happened is I always get texts after
I talk to Chippy and it says stupid stuff like this,
I'll stop calling him chippy. Some respect would be nice,
for example, just quoting the text that I got from Neil. However,
today I seem to have just an abundance of these texts.
Now I'm prepared to deal with this. Okay, this is

(08:45):
what you're talking about, Darcie. I'm prepared to deal with this.
What I want to ask is Neil and anybody else
who's just text me and said I need to stop
calling him chippy? Could you just because I want to?
I want to respect your opinion on this, so which
means I need to know what your argument is. Can
you and just really short little praisy of what your
problem is with me calling him chippy? And we will

(09:06):
deal with it forthwith.

Speaker 6 (09:07):
I did a bigger problem with calling politicians right and honorable?

Speaker 7 (09:11):
Where do they come from? Quite well, how do they
demand that, you know? Just whatever? They're politicians? Politics?

Speaker 2 (09:16):
Send it to me nine to nine two. We're going
to sort this out once again for all them. We're
not going to talk about it ever again.

Speaker 7 (09:21):
Woman of the people.

Speaker 2 (09:23):
I've got a serious voice on now, Darcy.

Speaker 7 (09:26):
Jeez.

Speaker 2 (09:27):
I mean, we said that this was going to happen,
nobody expected it would happen this quickly. But now we
have a nineteen year old dead from playing Run It Straight. Apparently, Well, it's.

Speaker 6 (09:35):
Not run it Straight, the official version. It was a
backyard version of.

Speaker 7 (09:39):
Run It Straight. But it's the same thing. It's copycat action.

Speaker 6 (09:43):
It's all over social media and I've seen quite a
lot of that, also the new one where it's basically
people having a one minute brawl in the backyard, and
that is terrifying. Whoa waiting was something to go wrong there?
So copycat played a game of that. Hen injury couldn't
come from from died Palms the North last.

Speaker 2 (10:02):
Night, seriously, assuming no underlying issues, How hard do you
have to knock your head to die from it?

Speaker 7 (10:08):
You've got to.

Speaker 6 (10:09):
Look at the reaction of your brain within the fluid.

Speaker 7 (10:13):
In your cranial.

Speaker 6 (10:17):
Cavity was the word I was looking at, Thank you
very much.

Speaker 7 (10:19):
So you can call me chippy if you nott doing that.

Speaker 6 (10:21):
But it bounces against the inside of your head and
also with your spinal cord and your spinal column. If
that takes a whack with whipblash, that can do damage
as well. And if it's just a collision, yes, it
can do a huge amount of damage. The thing is,
there's no mitigating factors when you're in a backyard. I suppose,
at least with rugby league rugby union, you've got stand

(10:43):
down periods for concussion, You've got people watching you, you get
dragged off the park, you looked at this is just
it's sad. It's guys falling around the backyard and bang,
and it just shows how fragile human life.

Speaker 7 (10:56):
Is that people need to listen to this.

Speaker 6 (10:59):
You on not undestructible. Your body is pretty strong, but
it's also got huge frailties and for a death to
actually occur, for people to stand up and take notice.
And I'm looking at teams and players that have got
to connect with professional sport when they stand next to
us or be seen in the game of this and go, hey,

(11:21):
that's good, that that's that's that's encouraging.

Speaker 2 (11:25):
People approximate to mate from the rabbits.

Speaker 6 (11:28):
To be involved with your friend from the rabbitize that
there is legitimizing the fact that this is really, really
dangerous stupid. It's just well, I've joked about it being
a Darwin theory thing, but I think.

Speaker 7 (11:43):
Education is massive.

Speaker 6 (11:45):
People aren't educated as to what you may do in
a situation like this. They're going to keep going into
We've got to type portray a Hume joining us on
the program. Who's involved with a U T when it
comes to the collision of human bodies and pathways and
human bodies and what they can and can't cope with.

(12:07):
She was instrumental twenty odd years ago in the ACC
programs around looking after concussive health and the like.

Speaker 7 (12:15):
So she'll join us to talk about that. It's just awful.

Speaker 6 (12:18):
I'd rather not, but I think on this platform, the
amount of people that we contact, we have to make
a point of this, and we have to put it
out there so people actually know. It's uncomfortable, as unpleasant
actually as and I feel so much for his family,
for the other person involved in the collision.

Speaker 7 (12:37):
It's just all around hole.

Speaker 2 (12:39):
Darcy, thank you, listen. You'll be doing World's you know,
the very good thing to talk about it this evening.
Darcy Wadgrave sports talk host seven o'clock. He'll be back for.

Speaker 1 (12:48):
Twenty two moving the big stories of the day forward. Aw,
it's Heather Duplicy on drive with one New Zealand let's
get connected the news talks.

Speaker 2 (12:58):
That'd be The supermarket that my wife works at has
had two staff meetings today with regards to the expected
uptake and shoplifting. They are now placing two guards at
the door day and night. The costs will be passed
on that. Thank you for that, Ben.

Speaker 8 (13:11):
Yes.

Speaker 2 (13:12):
So this is basically the fact that the as if
they didn't realize it already, the crims have been given
a heads up that they can shoplift up to a point. Look,
I think I'm getting a and you know, without any
kind of consequences, IM getting a fair few texts saying look,
nothing has changed, we'll already do that. I know that
we all knew that that was abundantly clear. It's also
clear that five hundred dollars is not even really the cutoff.

(13:34):
It's probably much higher than that. But to see it
written down is confirmation in a way that we were
sort of guessing at it before, we were filling in
those blanks before. Now we know it's five hundred dollars.
Now we know you fill your car up one full nine,
one hundred and forty nine bucks at the local gas
station drive off. Nothing's going to happen about it. Go
one hundred and fifty one. Maybe maybe they come for you. Okay, Heather,

(13:56):
I don't mind you calling him chippy. It's all part
of them. He tries to portray himself as an everyday
New Zealander. I don't think he's fooling many of us,
as if to say that, I'm making him a little
bit more. I'm humanizing him, Heather. Um, I don't like
you calling him chippy because it makes him sound cute
and adorable instead of the lying and competent two face
toad that he is. Heather, nicknames for any politicians sound

(14:21):
like you're too familiar with him. Whether you are or
not becomes irrelevant. It's the impression that that has been left.
Thank you, Graham, Heather, you're being too flippant with Chippy. Hepkins.
Calling him chippy also very disrespectful. And I'm not even
a labor of osire. So apparently I'm humanizing him. I'm
making him sound likable, but I'm also disrespecting him at
the same time. Hither. It is childish and makes you

(14:42):
sound like a twit. Thank you, Bruce Hither. Because you're
disrespectful when it comes to ministers of the Crown is
why you're getting texts chippy bish and so on. They
have a title and you should respect that when you're
speaking to them. Listen to Mike and Ryan to hear
how they speak to ministers. What are you talking about?
Mike calls them by their first names. I mean it
sounds to me like like as Darcy was just alluding

(15:03):
to before, do we need to go back to mister
Peters or the thing that they are?

Speaker 8 (15:07):
Have you noticed this?

Speaker 2 (15:07):
They're all doing this to each other At the moment
when Sammon Brown's talking about Eric Stanford, He's like, all
the honorable Eric Stanford, the right honorable Chris Luxen. Would
you like that with that float your bat?

Speaker 5 (15:19):
No?

Speaker 8 (15:20):
Stop it?

Speaker 2 (15:20):
Do you know who we have after five? Mitch? That's right,
Mark Mitchell, police minister. It's gonna get another nickname, Adam Headline's.

Speaker 9 (15:27):
Next, recapping the day's big news and making tomorrow's headlines.

Speaker 1 (15:41):
It's Hither duplicy Ellen drive with one New Zealand, let's
get connected news talks.

Speaker 9 (15:46):
There'd be.

Speaker 2 (15:55):
Heather. Can you please ask Mark Mitchell. If the cops
are absolving themselves and dealing as to anyone stealing lower
priced items from my shop, am I absolved from administering
some justice myself, Jaseon I might get round to that,
but on that subject, Richard Chambers, the Police Commissioner, as
I told you, had called a press conference for about
four thirty. He's just in the middle of holding that
right now.

Speaker 10 (16:15):
We won't always be able to be there, but we
will do our absolute best for the retail community to
hold offenders to account. When we think about the processes
that we have internally to address demand, we must also
be thinking about the impact of those decisions externally. Our
role is law enforcement. We're working incredibly hard with the
retail community, and the memo was inconsistent with my expectations.

(16:37):
I have not spoken to the individual myself, but I
think the Commissioner coming out and being very clear about
my expectations is probably sufficient.

Speaker 2 (16:45):
He also explained why the dollar value is not a
good indicator of what should be investigated.

Speaker 10 (16:49):
When we deal with crime, we often apply a series
of criteria to help us prioritize, and I understand that
the intent of that person was to provide some criteria
that might help prioritize, but the reality is that is
only one consideration in the complex world of crime that
we deal with, and when it comes to dollar thresholds, actually, personally,

(17:13):
I don't think that's relevant. It's you know, if we're
dealing with retail crime, we're dealing with offenders, particularly serial offenders.
You can't apply a dollar figure to make decisions.

Speaker 2 (17:25):
I think so twenty three away from five it's the
world wires on youth dogs they'd be drive so. In
the UK, police say that that Liverpool car ramming was
not terror related. A man has been arrested after a
car was driven directly into a Liverpool FC victory parade
injuring twenty seven people, and that of course includes kids.
Here's the Merseyside Police Assistant Chief Constable that.

Speaker 11 (17:46):
People do not speculate or spread misinformation on social media.
I know that people will understandardly be concerned by what
has happened tonight. What I can tell you is that
we believe this to be an isolated incident.

Speaker 2 (18:04):
And to France, Emanuel mccran says his wife was joking
around when she pushed him. She was caught this as
Brigitte she was caught on camera shoving the French president's
face right before they got off the plane. Here's the
Sky News Europe correspondent Adam Parsons.

Speaker 12 (18:18):
There's an an awful lot that we can say for sure.
She pushes him in the face. Is that because she's angry?
Is that because she is I'm trying to take an
eyelasher out.

Speaker 7 (18:29):
Of his face.

Speaker 12 (18:31):
Then as they come down the stairs, certainly she seems
as if she's not very happy about something. He extends
his arm as if to offer her support, and she
ignores her.

Speaker 2 (18:42):
And finally, international researchers have found more evidence that a
site in Turkey may be the final resting place of
Noah's Ark. Now, this particular spot was first mooted as
being related to the biblical boat back in the nineteen
fifties because there's an indentation in the rock there that
is man made and kind of arc shaped. New scans
have found traces of wood in the indentation, So case closed.

(19:03):
Definitely Noah's Ark.

Speaker 1 (19:05):
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Speaker 2 (19:11):
Murray Old Old corresponds with us now.

Speaker 4 (19:13):
He mus very good afternoon, Heather, So, what.

Speaker 2 (19:16):
Is this latest on this underworld war in Sydney that's
now claiming lives.

Speaker 4 (19:20):
Well, it's nuts. I mean a new stat from police
this morning here in Sydney. There have been twenty five
organized crime murders in New South Wales since twenty twenty one.
They have solved twenty of them, so five outstanding. But
we've had three incidents in the last few weeks that
police have said, wow, enough's enough. You had that dreadful,

(19:42):
dreadful incident of the of the young mother. Her husband
was we understand a drug cook for a Vietnamese crime gang.
We're making drugs. She was bashed up in her house,
stripped naked, dragged outside, one of her children bashed on
the way out, she was shoving back of the car,
shot dead, and then the car was set on fire.

(20:03):
Last week we had a twenty three year old young
fellow just got home from work. He parked his car
in the driveway of his mum and dad's house. Just
got out of the car. A gunman gets out of
a second vehicle, runs up, shoots ten shots at this kid,
hits him four times. He dies where he stands, And
that's mistaken identity, according police, and then on Sunday afternoon,
five o'clock, busy, busy part of Sydney near Paramatta, you've

(20:27):
got this bizarre situation like out of a film. A
black Mercedes pulls up alongside a yute with four men
in it at a set of traffic lights. Bang bang
bang bang bang, and you've got the two people in
the front seat are both hit, two in the back
aren't and the fellow who was shot in the head
will not be is not expected to live. So police
have just said, bugger this. We cannot keep going like this.

(20:48):
They say, this is a gang war over Sydney's underworld
drug traffic. It's a multi multi billion dollar industry. These
a serious drug importers, manufacturers and distributors who are fighting
each other over a turf war basically. And so police
have set up a task force. One hundred and fifty
dedicated coppers are going to be involved in this and

(21:11):
you're going to have well. This morning they had thirteen
separate investigations all being folded into this one umbrella organization.
They are serious, they said, I don't care if you've
pulled the trigger or you've stolen the car. That's being
used in the getaway. You're all going to be rounded
up as fast as we can go.

Speaker 2 (21:28):
Yeah, good luck to them sorting that out. What's going
on with the coalition? Are they making up?

Speaker 4 (21:32):
Well, they're going to kiss and make up. They have
to because both of them, you know, there's much, you know,
as much use as a two leagued stool, you know,
because they can't do anything on their own. And he's
David Little Proud, the Nationals Party leader. I mean, I'm
not sure what happened. He must've got a rush of
blood to the head when he saw how many seats
the Liberals have lost, the senior coalition partner, and he

(21:53):
said right, He puffed up his little pigeon chest, said right, oh,
I'm going to go and I'm going to give her
a piece of my mind. And you the new a
female leader of the Liberal Party. Well that lasted forty
eight hours. Cooler heads prevailed. They said, listen, David, I'm sorry,
you can't do that. He had the back down. It's
humiliating back down, but he says, oh no, no, no, no, no,
no no way, we back down, no way, we flip flopped.

(22:15):
But they are going to be getting back together maybe
as early as tomorrow. They've had some pretty productive talks.
We understand the liberal parties agreed to at least look
at the four non negotiable policies the Nationals put up
and it's not going to be harmony by any means,
and Little Proud may yet lose his leadership, but at
least the coalition is going to be roughly on the

(22:36):
same page.

Speaker 2 (22:37):
That's just really quickly. How's that clean up going?

Speaker 4 (22:40):
Dreadful? I mean just dreadful. You've got ten thousand homes
have been inundated in northern New South Wales. They've inspected
five three hundred of them as of this morning, nearly
nine hundred. You can't live in them anymore, so maybe
double that for the time they've finished these assessments. That's
the best part of fifteen sixteen hundred homes that cannot

(23:01):
be lived in, So that's dreadful. You've got people still
cut off by the floodwaters that are out there, are
the dropping off food and medicine, the dropping off ay
for stock, and you've still got now another weather event.
You've got strong winds up there that were threatening this
morning to ground every helicopter up there. That's been used
to get this medicine, food and fodder out and about.

(23:24):
It's just horrible. The Prime Minister up there today, they're
going to throw all sorts of money at it. But boy,
oh boy, you can't. You can't bribe Mother Nature, can you?

Speaker 13 (23:33):
No, not at all.

Speaker 2 (23:33):
Hey, Mars, thank you, look after yourself. It's Murray Old's
Australia correspondent. There's no way that that was a joke
with Emmanuel mccron, was it. There's no way that by
the way, the I don't know if you've seen the video,
but it is like something like honestly, if you saw
that in a it feels like slapstick. The timing of
it is just unbelievable. Have to see it to understand

(23:55):
what I'm talking about. But the timing of him being
pushed in the face, then looking out the door, realizing
the door is down, and sat like waving at people,
it's just unreal. There's no way that that was a joke.
And we're going to talk to the huddle about that
when they're with us later on heydops. When when are
Luxey and Winnie on the show next? Well, I'm going
to talk about Winnie later on actually, and I was,

(24:16):
now that you pointed out I was, I just was
going to refer to him as Winnie. But I could
dress it up for you if you want to. Could
we could go Winnie pe today? But actually, I'll tell
you who is going to be on the show later on.
It's Stewart nash And normally I would go just for
stew but I because that's what I call him when
I talked about just say hey, Stu, how are you?
But I feel but everybody else calls him Nashy. All

(24:36):
my friends call him Nashy, friends that we have in common.

Speaker 4 (24:39):
So I don't know.

Speaker 2 (24:40):
I mean, do I do I do I level up
and Nashy him today? Or do I just stick with
like the transparency of my honest relationship with him and
just call him stew Although if Neil would like to
text me again, I am prepared to go Stewart if
you would like, or maybe even the honorable Stewart. You
know whatever, You let me know what you need and

(25:00):
I'll provide it. Sixteen Away from.

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Speaker 2 (25:06):
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Speaker 14 (25:09):
Good afternoon, Heather.

Speaker 2 (25:10):
Okay, so the Prime Minister is not happy about the memo.

Speaker 14 (25:14):
Yeah, he's No, he's not, he's not, and I can
I can see why. I mean, if you're a government
that has basically hung your hat on getting tough on
crime and then you get see something like this being reported,
obviously you're not going to be pleased. This is what
he said earlier today.

Speaker 4 (25:30):
They got that wrong.

Speaker 8 (25:31):
We're a party of law and order.

Speaker 15 (25:33):
We expect out police to tackle.

Speaker 16 (25:34):
Crime everywhere and that's good to see you clarify.

Speaker 14 (25:37):
That such Now he's talking about the Police Commissioner having
to come out and say that this memo that was
sent around about police not investigating crime below five hundred
dollars was confusing and unhelpful. And he goes on to
say that the memo was wrong in an appropriate and
hours beforehand, and I think I heard you making this
point earlier in the afternoon. How the Police Minister Mark
Mitchell actually called into talk back with Kerry clarify the situation.

(26:01):
And you know you're not calling in talkback if you're
happy with how the situation is going. And of course
it's a terrible look for this government. I mean that
what I think has happened here is that there has
always been potentially some sort of an unwritten rule, because
you know that the police can't be everywhere all the time,
all at once, and there needs to be sort of

(26:22):
some level here. But somebody's made the mistake of actually
writing it down and sending it off and that's the
in turn been leaked to media, and of course it
leaves to all sorts of trouble for the Prime Minister
and his police minister. So I can get why he's
not happy, but I can also get why this sort
of thing has actually happened.

Speaker 2 (26:39):
Okay, will you actually at his press conference.

Speaker 14 (26:42):
The Prime Minister's no, unfortunately it was up in Auckland.

Speaker 2 (26:44):
Okay, but you've watched the thing, right I did.

Speaker 8 (26:47):
Yes.

Speaker 2 (26:47):
Did he at any point say that it is not true?

Speaker 14 (26:51):
No, he didn't say that it wasn't true. He just
kept coming back to the fact that you know it
was confusing and unhealthful and that.

Speaker 2 (26:56):
You shouldn't so it is definitely happening.

Speaker 14 (26:59):
Well, listen, and the Prime minister that didn't deny that
this was the thing, and he if he wanted to
use that opportunity to say yes, I've had a briefing
this is in fact not the case because of X
y Z. You wouldn't come out and see that. The
top brass of the police was it was unhelpful for
them to do something because it wasn't true.

Speaker 2 (27:14):
So they're angry that somebody wrote down the thing that
they're doing.

Speaker 14 (27:17):
Basically, yeah, somebody said the thing that they should have
said out loud, you know.

Speaker 2 (27:21):
Okay, Now, why is Chippy so keen to hold the scrudge? Well, Winnie,
why is Winnie holding the scrudge against Chippy?

Speaker 14 (27:27):
What's going before we get you call him Chippy too?
And I heard you do that before because I said
Chippy when I was on my mid day cross and
I was like, oh, is that a little bit too familiar?
But it just kind of rolled off the tongue. I
think it's because it's the colloquial name that we've developed him. Anyway,
that's that's a little bit off track track. But yeah,
he's a bit annoyed. I mean, here's what he said

(27:48):
about him this morning.

Speaker 3 (27:49):
I think, frankly, New Zealanders have had enough of being
held to ransom by Winston Peters and David Seymour. I
think they want to get back to the idea that
the government's there to serve people rather than serve themselves,
which you know Winston Peter as frankly as a master rate.

Speaker 14 (28:01):
Yeah, so's there's a little bit of beef, a little
bit probably under selling it a little bit. There is
beef between the two of them, which is why I
think Winston came out as strong as he did this
morning saying that he would not be forming or have
any post government conversations with the Labor Party under Chris Hipkins.
So there is a distinction between a Labor Party under
Chris Hipkins and a Labor Party in general. I mean,
you know, you never know what happens afterwards.

Speaker 4 (28:22):
But it's an.

Speaker 14 (28:23):
Interesting move for Winston because, as you know, it's not
really his sort of a move that he does ruling
things in and out.

Speaker 2 (28:31):
No, his style is very much to leave every option open,
isn't it, like literally like literally after the election.

Speaker 14 (28:37):
Yeah, and it's I mean, look at the way m
MP has worked in the last or since it's come
into force. I mean, nobody's done it better than Winston.
And because it's because of things like this, people vote
for Winston because they get they get good things out
of it as far as they're concerned. They have so
much leverage. I mean, there's a reason why Winston got
quite a bit more than the Greens out of ar
Dern was because that, you know, everybody knows that the

(28:59):
Greens are going to go with the left leaning parties
at the end of the day, and Whiston is, you know,
we'll go whatever way he thinks that he's going to
get the best deal. But it was quite interesting exactly,
And it was quite interesting when you were having a
chat with Chris Hopkins just before. He was not thinking
that it was a foregone conclusion that he'd actually be
working with Greens and Tibarti Mardi.

Speaker 3 (29:19):
Look, there's still plenty of water to flow under the
bridge yet, so.

Speaker 14 (29:22):
There must be a lot of water to flow under
that labor bridge to mean that he's not going to
have to work with both of them.

Speaker 2 (29:27):
Yeah, yeah, it's a very good point. Hey, thank you
very much. I really appreciate it. Jason Jason Walls, Political editor.
And as I say, Mike Mitchell, police Minister, is going
to be with us just after five o'clock. It's nine
away from eight, nine away from five.

Speaker 1 (29:39):
Water putting the tough questions to the newsmakers, the Mike
asking breakfast.

Speaker 17 (29:45):
So strange possibly confusing messages coming from the police over
retail crime. There's a directive to police staff that tells
them they will no longer be investigating shoplifting if it's
less than five hundred bucks. Sunday Kershel, chairperson of the
Ministry of Justice's Retail Crime Group. If it's true, this
goes against what you're working towards.

Speaker 18 (30:01):
That's very true. You know, we thought we are making
us progress and these kind of instructions hinders the work
that we're doing. The best return for detailed crime is
having criminals not they will be caught and sad consequences
for the crimes exactly.

Speaker 17 (30:13):
Well, I just wonder if what has been articulated is
what they do anyway, And it just happens to have
leaked out back tomorrow at six am, the Mike Hosking
Breakfast with the Rain drove of the lame news talk
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Speaker 2 (30:25):
Big news for Hamilton. Hamilton is going to be getting
the New Zealand is bringing the jets back. Now Hamilton
has not had the jets, the domestic jets landing there
for twenty five years and so they're going to have
them landing at Hamilton Airport is going to be the
Hamilton christ Church link. So we're going to talk to
in New Zealand about that after quarter past five right now,
of course it's five away from five. Per Richard Chambers,

(30:46):
the Police Commissioner was just as I told you holding
this press conference about what on earth is going on
with them not dealing with a slow level of crime.
He says that police need to embrace technology.

Speaker 10 (30:55):
And I speak quite confidently that we're in a good
place in terms of the way forward with technology that's
available to us to address crime types what moral I'm
seeing around the world, as well as that law enforcement
needs to embrace technology.

Speaker 2 (31:13):
Now I'm not entirely sure what technology he's talking about
because he hasn't made it clear obviously as you can
tell from that, but if it is this facial recognition stuff,
they need to get on with it. This is the
point that I was trying to make yesterday. If you
cannot send a police officer to deal with the shoplifting
at the store, and I don't think you can, like
I don't think that there are enough cops. If you
cannot go and deal with that. If somebody's just turned

(31:34):
up and one hundred dollars worth of red meats or
something like that. You need to give the supermarkets the
ability to put the facial recognition technology up and see
you all make coming back for some more meat and go, no,
we recognize your face. You're not allowed in here. Off
you go and prevent the crime from happening again. You
have to let the retailers take some respect, just have
a little bit of some way to deal with the crime.
Otherwise it's just a free for all. But listen to

(31:56):
this case speaking of police not investigating things. You know
this case it's been get the headlines. This one about
the banking fraud right where the chap sent one hundred
and fifty eight thousand dollars from his bank Barclay's Bank
account in the UK to his Westpac bank account. Was
meant for his retirement Westpac bank account in Auckland, but
he got a digit wrong because his keyboard is number
four was sticky, so he got the digit wrong and

(32:17):
accidentally transferred it to the wrong west Pack account and
it ended up in the hands of some beneficiary and
she allegedly went and had a free for I had
a great time with one hundred and fifty eight thousand dollars,
bought a staff a car, sent some money to her boyfriend,
allegedly all kinds of stuff. Anyway, she has just been
charged by the police. She's been charged with theft. She
faces up to seven years in jail of convicted. Also,

(32:39):
the one that she sent the money to allegedly sixty
four thousand dollars, has also been charged with receiving. Police
only just charged him as well. Here's the thing, this
happened in January last year, and the cops have just
charged him. Charged them after they were told about this

(33:00):
last year. They told old mate who sent the money
in the first place, his money. They told him they
were not going to investigate because there was a civil matter,
but then of course got heaps and heaps of publicity,
so they investigated now and they've charged. So you think
five hundred dollars, how about one hundred and fifty eight
thousand dollars? And they're not investigating news talks they'd be mature.

Speaker 1 (33:19):
Next questions, answers, facts analysis, the drive show you trust
for the full picture. Heather Duplessy on Drive with One

(33:43):
New Zealand let's get connected news talks.

Speaker 8 (33:45):
That'd be good afternoon.

Speaker 2 (33:48):
Police and the government are in damage control today over
the revelation that police will not investigate shoplifting incidents under
five hundred dollars. Now we've learned about this because of
a memo which was sent to police staff telling them
to file shop lifting incidents under five hundred dollars, gas
theft of less than one hundred and fifty dollars in
online scams of less than one thousand dollars. Mark Mitchell
is the policeman Aster High Mitch Hi Heather is the

(34:10):
memo right?

Speaker 19 (34:13):
Well, it could have been more helpful, that could have
been clearer. Obviously, it was a memo and the police
have lots of these memos circulating around. It was released
under OIA, and it could have been much clearer. The
way that was written it did create some confusion. Totally
understand that and get that, and that's why both myself
and the Commissioner have been out today you clarifying it.

Speaker 2 (34:36):
Is it right though, Mitch? If there is a shoplifting
incident of less than five hundred dollars the police, it
will get filed. It will just get filed. The police
will not necessarily investigate.

Speaker 19 (34:44):
Oh no, it's not right. There shouldn't be thresholds. I
think the Commissioner has been very clear on.

Speaker 20 (34:49):
That it be take on.

Speaker 2 (34:52):
But are there thresholds.

Speaker 8 (34:54):
No, there's not.

Speaker 2 (34:56):
So there's no thresholds, okay, because we had we had
a police officer yesterday who confirmed that the memo was correct.
So what's happened overnight.

Speaker 19 (35:05):
Look, the reality of it is police have always triaged,
They've always had to prioritize. When I was in the
job thirty years ago, it was no different and it
still happens today. But the reality of it is that
every crime and every incident has taken on its own merits,
and whether the police will respond, they will respond, whether
it be immediately or whether it be with.

Speaker 2 (35:23):
Some follow up.

Speaker 19 (35:25):
So you know, they do have tools to try and
to be able to allocate, to be able to prioritize.

Speaker 8 (35:29):
That is important.

Speaker 19 (35:31):
If you've got an offender for multiple offenses, obviously they're
going to go after that. They'll prioritize that. But no,
there's no thresholds. And I think the commissioners come out
today and he's been very clear and he said that
a priority for him and for this Scumnor's retail crime.
They've done some great work around the violent retail crime,
working across all the stakeholders. They can't do it by themselves.
I'm really proud of the work they're doing. And so

(35:54):
in the simple answer is no. Any if there's a
shoplifter or if retail has got someone there they need
police support, then you know the police will get there.

Speaker 2 (36:04):
Okay. Are you telling me that if a retailer calls
in a shoplifting incident the police will always come and investigate.

Speaker 19 (36:13):
They won't always get there to that shoplifting incident. And
I think back when I was in the job.

Speaker 2 (36:17):
And the women which ones they're going to and which
ones they don't.

Speaker 19 (36:22):
They have to prioritize. So when I was a police
dog handler, if I was tracking three offenders from an
aggravated robbery and at the same time I got a
call for a shoplifter, then I have to carry on.
I'm going to prioritize and go for the three egg robbers, right. Yes,
if I'm not doing that job and the call comes
in for the shoplifter, I'll go to the shoplifter, I'll
go and attend it. And it's no different today. Police

(36:42):
have there are limited numbers. We don't have a you
know that there's we've got limited resources. They have to prioritize.
They'll always prioritize human life, public safety. But if they're
free and they can get to a shoplifter, they'll go
to it.

Speaker 2 (36:57):
If there is a shoplifting of the value of fifty bucks,
the police and they've got free time, they'll go to it.

Speaker 8 (37:02):
Yes, they will.

Speaker 2 (37:03):
Okay. It just then explains to me why did the
memo say five hundred dollars.

Speaker 19 (37:09):
I think it was a tool that they were that
they're trying to use it. This is operational, so I
shouldn't really be speaking to It's more for the commissioner. However,
I think that they are probably triaging the information that
they do have to try and prioritize as they work
through historic offenses and trying to clear them.

Speaker 2 (37:25):
But what do you No one's calling in historic offenses.
They're calling in offenses that have just happened.

Speaker 19 (37:31):
No, they'll attend to those, and the Commission has been
very clear about that as well. And as the incoming
government's got a heavy focus on bubbet safety, our expectation
is that police will treat all crime equally and they
will in that.

Speaker 2 (37:45):
So are you saying that the only that that memo
is referring to stuff that happened donkeys years ago, not
stuff that's happening right now, So you file away your
five hundred dollars shoplifting things and just put them in
the in the file.

Speaker 19 (37:56):
I'm not saying that I can't talk to the memo.
It is operational and that is that is more for
the commissioner to speak to. From my side of it
as the police butter, I just wanted to give complete
assurance and sort reassurance from the Commissioner that police will
attend will attend these jobs, and they will.

Speaker 2 (38:12):
I'm confused because Blair McDonald, the police officer, was on
the show yesterday going, yeah, the memo's right, and then
you're telling me today the memo's wrong.

Speaker 19 (38:19):
Well, I'm saying that it could have been worded, It
could have been worded better, it could have been clearer,
and that's that and that's for.

Speaker 2 (38:25):
That's wording then, because all we've got is the wrong wording.
So what's the right wording?

Speaker 19 (38:29):
Well, I think that I think that what they were
trying to do is they are trying to use a
tool to be able to triarche historic cases that are
now it files to try and work through those, and
they're going to they want to prioritize where they've got
some hard evidence. And that's nothing's changed that was. It
was like this back in my day. Like I said,
it always happened. But I think where the confusion was
created is that does this mean now the police officer

(38:52):
is not going to attend a shoplifting incident And that's
not the case. The commissioners come out, He's been very
clear that they will. I've come out as the Police
Minister and said the expectation from this government and it
has contained in my leader of expectation to the commissioner
is that they will attend these incidents and look and
they do every single day. Police do tens of thousands
of positive interactions and responses to the public every day

(39:15):
and they're going to continue to do that.

Speaker 4 (39:18):
Mitch.

Speaker 2 (39:18):
Thank you very much, Mark Mitchell. Police Minister Heather do
for see Allen Claire as much, isn't it right now?
A new Plymouth teenager or Promiston North teenager, has died
after playing a run at straight style tackle game with
his friends. Nineteen year old Ryan Sattarthwait suffered major head
draw mebs taken to hospital. He died there overnight. Ross
Grantham is the Monowit two area commander and with us. Now, hey, Ross,

(39:42):
you know exactly what happened.

Speaker 13 (39:46):
Yes, a group of mates have got together and they've
decided that they all participate in this tackle game. It
wasn't an organized event, it was something just the social
between the mates and tragically this young man has but
a horrible injury which has taken his life.

Speaker 2 (40:03):
Banged us head into what.

Speaker 13 (40:07):
So he hasn't banged his head as I understand it.
He hasn't banged his head into anything as his friend
has tackled him. It's the action of his his head
has caused the injury. So he hasn't banged his hidden.

Speaker 2 (40:19):
It's just that that just that snapping.

Speaker 13 (40:21):
That when you think about it, is that when you
think about it is the terrible risk young people take
when they participate in these types of games.

Speaker 2 (40:30):
Rossill, you're saying it's just the whiplash action of being
tackled has caused it.

Speaker 13 (40:34):
I'm not a doctor, Heather, so I can't comment on that.
Why I can say is that his head hasn't collided
anything with anything solid. It's the movement of his head.

Speaker 2 (40:43):
Any charges here, I mean, I'm loath to raise that
because it is made absolutely not.

Speaker 13 (40:48):
This is devastating, Trevor. Tragedy for the family of young
Ryan and for his colleagues and his mates. We are
only involved because we're investigating on behalf coroner. There's no
criminal element to this at all.

Speaker 2 (41:03):
Yeah, listen, what do we do to discourage I mean,
like Ross, we've been talking about this for weeks now
and how stupid this thing is and how nobody should
be doing it and get it's claim to life. So
what do we do to discourage kids from doing this?

Speaker 10 (41:16):
Oh?

Speaker 13 (41:16):
Head? If I had that answer, I'd be able to
save a whole of young men's lives, not only in
this type of thing, but in driving cars. And that sadly,
our young men don't tend to make good decisions. We
can keep talking about it, trying to educate them, use
this tragic event of young Ryan's as an example to
young men to it. Should think about what you look

(41:36):
at on social media. There's a whole lot of dangerous
things that people purport to be genuine and to be
fun and they're not, and you just have to be
very careful when you're making your choices about what you're
going to do.

Speaker 2 (41:51):
Totally, Ross, thank you as always appreciate your time. That's
Inspector Ross Grandam, one of the two Area commander Heather
dupery Ellen. First major bank has moved ahead of some
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(42:15):
Four basis points. Nothing major. The largest one was the
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(43:19):
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that would have native difference twenty past five. Now, for

(43:40):
the first time in twenty five years, Air New Zealand
is bringing back the jets to Hamilton. The Airbus A
three twenty jets are going to be introduced to the
Airlines Hamilton christ Church route starting in September. Cato O'Brien
is Air New Zealand's General manager of Domestic and with us, Hey, k.

Speaker 21 (43:55):
Hi, Heather, what's brought the song?

Speaker 2 (43:56):
Why are you guys doing this?

Speaker 21 (43:58):
Yes, So we're very excited to be reintroducing these domestic
jet services between Hamilton and christ Church. So a couple
of things. This route Hamilton christ Church is one of
our largest and fastest growing regional routes, so we are
keen to grow it and put some more seats into
that market. But the other thing that's happening is we

(44:20):
have had a number of our aircraft out with availability
issues and we are really excited that we're starting to
see some of those aircraft come back into the fleet,
which means that we can look to grow some of
our domestic groups.

Speaker 2 (44:35):
Now am I maybe I could potentially case, I can
be over reading too much into this, but I think
it's interesting that you're going to Hamilton instead of Auckland
when you're having this massive fight with Auckland Airport. Is
anything in there?

Speaker 21 (44:49):
No, This actually has been in our plan for quite
a while now to grow this throat and to ultimately
have a jet service in there. As I said, we
have seen really strong growth, so it's in response to demand,
but it is also enabled by these jets coming back
into the fleet.

Speaker 2 (45:07):
Fantastic stuff. Hey listen, Kate, best of luck with it
and thank you very much. Appreciate its cada Brian in
New Zealand's general manager of Domestic Heather. A year ago,
my car was broken into an item was removed. Police
report noted that the item was less than five hundred
dollars in value. No active follow up from Margaret Bs. Heather.
This is apropos Mark Mitchell before because I was on
Facebook market scam and they told me that because it

(45:30):
was less than five hundred dollars they couldn't do anything
about it. Five twenty one.

Speaker 1 (45:35):
Informed Inside into Today's Issues. It's Heather duplicy Ellen drive
with one New Zealand. Let's get connected news talks that'd be.

Speaker 2 (45:46):
Five twenty four.

Speaker 9 (45:47):
Now.

Speaker 2 (45:48):
I think Winston Peter's ruling out ever going into coalition
with Chippy after the next election is actually more significant
than many people will realize, because Winnie was actually Chippy's
only credible path back to being prime ministery right without winning,
Chippy is completely stuffed because the alternatives are not real options.
I mean, the alternatives are one being a coalition with
a couple of looney parties, which you Center voters are

(46:10):
absolutely not going to go for, so you can absolutely
forget about that. The other alternative is that Labor is
returned as a majority government again, which is I think,
after what happened last time, not going to happen for
a very long time again. So basically there is no
way back for Chippy. He will not be Prime minister
after twenty twenty six if ever. Now, a lot of
people would say to me at this juncture, well, of course,
not National were always going to win the next election anyways,

(46:32):
this is just a completely spurious argument. But I would
say to you Labour's chances are actually a little bit
better than you might think, because what we have right
now is hardly a wildly popular government. I mean, these
guys were elected, remember telling us they were going to
turn this economy. Around eighteen months later, they have not
turned this economy. Around eighteen months later, we are still
in the economic doldrums. We are yet to see a

(46:54):
vision economically from the coalition government. The right track wrong
track indicator that comes out in multiple poles now is
heavily negative for this government. Thousands of people voting with
their feet and leaving the country altogether. People vote with
their hip pocket right forget about everything else. If you
just look at the economy, that is your greatest determiner
of what happens at the election. People vote with their

(47:14):
hip pocket, and right now the hippocket is suffering. It
is not looking good for the economy. But also there
should be a target right now on Chippy's back in labor,
because Winnie's problem is not with labor. Winnie's problem is
with Chris Hopkins, which means different leader, and Winston Peters
is back in the game as a possibility for labor.

(47:37):
Now that requires right That requires labor to roll Chris
Hipkins and then their chances are good again. However, that
requires labor actually realizing that they need Winston Peters to
form coalition government after twenty twenty six, and that requires
them also realizing there is no way they can coalesce
with the Maori Party because most voters are allergic to

(47:58):
the shenanigans that that party get up to. But I
don't think Labor is smart enough to realize that yet.
Do you ever do for c Ellen's Stewart Nash is
going to be with us very shortly and talk us
through it. I think he's much of the same view
as I am. Anyway, we'll stand by to hear what
he's got to say about it.

Speaker 4 (48:13):
Now.

Speaker 2 (48:14):
Artificial intelligence. We're going to talk about AI later in
the program. This morning I hosted an event about AI.
On the panel was Jason Parris, who's the CEO of
One New Zealand. Because because One New Zealand has commissioned
this report about artificial intelligence, they've had a look at.
What they found is actually fascinating. The vast majority of
us use artificial intelligence every single day. We don't even

(48:36):
know that we're using it, right, but three quarters of
us do it every single day and know that we
are doing it. We know we're doing it, but we're
still really worried about it. We're worried it's going to
take jobs. We're worried that the data is going to
be misused, We're worried about data privacy. We're worried that
AI is going to make unfair decisions. So there seems
to be a little bit of a disconnect, like we
kind of love it enough to use it, but we're

(48:57):
also really freaked out about the implications of it. We're
going to talk to Jason Harris about that after six.
But the thing that I really love about this is
that here's of the view that New Zealand actually stands
to benefit more than any other country, or more than
most countries if we get onto the AI quickly because
the size of our business. Because you got all these
guys out there peddling AI solutions for things that they'll

(49:17):
come to you. They'll be like, if you put this
AI solution into your business, blah blah blah will happen.
But they don't have a lot of businesses to try
it on. But New Zealand businesses are small enough, nimble
enough to actually try it on. We are the perfect
test case. This could be great for New Zealand if
we just do it. Jason's with us after six.

Speaker 1 (49:36):
On the iHeart app and in your car on your
drive home, it's hither duplicy Ellen drive with one New
Zealand let's get connected news talks they'd be you an't
desire more siding.

Speaker 2 (49:53):
By Jason Parris and I said with us on AI
after six o'clock Brad Olson wants to have a fight
with me, as indicated yesterday abouts to the super age.
And on a Tuesday he is with us at quarter
past six, so it appears that today is the day
that we're going to have this fight. It's twenty four
away from six now. Labor Party leader Chris Hopkins is

(50:13):
trying very hard to pretend he doesn't care about Winston
Peter's ruling out ever working with him against. Stuart Nash
is a former Labor Party cabinet member.

Speaker 3 (50:20):
I think most people in the Labor Party look at
Winston Peters. I think we'd rather not have to work
with him anyway. Plenty of water to flow under the
bridge before the next selection got My goal is to
grow Labors vote as large as I can there.

Speaker 2 (50:31):
He is trying very hard to pretend he doesn't can.
Stewart Nash is a former Labor Party cabinet minister and
with us. Now, Hey Stu, hey, how are you? Sounds
a bit flat though, doesn't.

Speaker 16 (50:39):
He Well, First of all, before I'm make any commentary
in this, I do want to say I've got no
insights on this whatsoever. I haven't spoken to Winston about
this or Chris. But you know, Hapkins has got a
well Labor. Actually, it's a very interesting dilemma here because
of course Labour wants to grow their vote. It's not inconceivable, Heather,
that Labor could get let's say thirty five thirty six

(51:00):
at the next election.

Speaker 6 (51:01):
Yep.

Speaker 16 (51:02):
And you know I live in the regions and I
spent a lot of time in the regions. The only
party at the moment that's resonating really with you, good
hard working men and women is New Zeale First. I mean,
Chris luxem sort of alienated quite a few of them.
Labour has as well. They've become a bit of a
liberal party once again, a liberal, big city party once again.
The thing is is, if you get Labor at thirty

(51:24):
six in an I'll turn to reality and New Zealand
first is on fifteen, then you can form a government.
Imagine then if you had National on thirty three, New
Zealand First on fifteen, and ACT on sort of five.
I don't know what the numbers are, so you would
so you'd have a choice between Labor and New Zealand
First or New Zealand First, National and ACT. Now keep

(51:45):
in mind Winston's only said he ruled out working with
Chris Sipkins. I did not hear him say he's ruled
out working with Labor.

Speaker 2 (51:51):
No, he hasn't. He's it's only Chris Sippins, which means
to you that Chippy's got a target on his back,
or should have at least.

Speaker 3 (51:57):
Right.

Speaker 16 (51:58):
Well, it's a really important conversation that that Labor has
to have because you know, if you end up in
a situation where Winston says, look, I'll work with Labor
and I'd prefer to be in a you know, a
two party coalition then a three party coalition, then Labor
will have to make a very a very important decision
around whether they say, because you know, I have no
doubt that Hipkins will be the leader going into the election,

(52:20):
that we will that Hippins will stand aside and will
appoint someone that Winston can work with, or no, we're
not going to go into power. And now, the thing
we know about opposition is you don't have an ability
to influence anything. It's a complete and utter waste of
time from a political perspective. When you're in government, you
get to change the world. Right, So you go into
politics to be in government. So it is a really

(52:40):
interesting dilimit Now. It may be that that situation doesn't arise,
but I can see a situation where that where the
labor cabinet, sorry, the labor caucus, has to make a
very important decision around what they do in a post
election environment.

Speaker 2 (52:56):
Problem is, I'll tell you what the problem with them
is to you, is that they I think they need
to realize how badly they need Winston, and in order
for them to realize that, they need to realize that
most people do not want to see the Marti Party
and government right.

Speaker 21 (53:11):
I don't think that.

Speaker 2 (53:11):
I don't know that they've realized that yet.

Speaker 7 (53:14):
Oh, I don't know. I think they probably have.

Speaker 16 (53:15):
I mean, you know, I've been urging them, not that
they listen to me, but I've been urging them to
rule out working with to party Mary. I mean, I
haven't spoken to one person that I know that says,
I know would love to see to party Mary. How's
the government?

Speaker 22 (53:29):
I don't know.

Speaker 16 (53:30):
I really don't know.

Speaker 2 (53:31):
Close to the election r Jay and Willie Jackson thinks
that Marty Party totally fine.

Speaker 16 (53:37):
Oh my god, no no. I think if they don't
rule out to party Mary, as they hidden the election,
they haven't got a hope in hell of getting their
hands on the leaves of power.

Speaker 2 (53:47):
Okay, listen, you were the police minister. What's your insight
on whether the cops turn up to shoplifting under five
hundred dollars?

Speaker 16 (53:54):
Well, I would go to you know, I've been on
your show before talking about the systems arrest. I think
that's really important. You know, the CoP's got limited resources.
I would rather they chase after, you know, the p
dealers and those who are causing the most mischief.

Speaker 2 (54:07):
Did that ring true for you?

Speaker 16 (54:09):
Well, I don't know. I mean it sounds a little
strange because police deploy resources based on needs. So if
there's nothing much going on, then of course they'll turn up.
But if there's that, or they're chasing after someone who's
committed a more serious crime, then they will go for
the more serious crime. But it doesn't ring true that
they just flatly refuse to turn up and keeping the
mind retail crime, man, it's a killer if you've got

(54:31):
to book some watar store on in the main street.

Speaker 2 (54:33):
Absolutely, Stuart, thank you so much, appreciate it. Stuart Nash,
former Labor Party Minister.

Speaker 1 (54:38):
The huddle with New Zealand Southerby's International Realty find you're
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Speaker 4 (54:42):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (54:42):
On the huddle with me, I've got Thomas Scringer of
Maximum Institution and Allie Jones of red PR. Hello you too,
Hi the Thomas. I'm so confused. Do the police or
do the police not investigate shoplifts under five hundred dollars?

Speaker 22 (54:57):
Well here, I think one of the reasons people are
getting a bit upset about this is that they heard
about this leaked memo and it was believable. There's kind
of an ongoing problem of retail crime not being addressed,
and this news hasn't told us anything that a lot
of people didn't believe already.

Speaker 4 (55:14):
Yeah.

Speaker 22 (55:14):
The other question is like, what is even meant by investigate?
You know, there's a lot of things that are investigated,
and that they took some notes and put it in
a database for crime statistics, But don't really have any
ability to go further. The risk is that over time
this stuff erodes norms and trust. Obviously police have limited resources,
but if people know it's open season on minor retail crime,

(55:37):
then it's just going to increase in number.

Speaker 21 (55:39):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (55:39):
I mean, it makes a really good point, doesn't the
alley because actually, even if it's even if for all
of the explaining that they're doing now, a lot of
people are just going to believe that it is the case.

Speaker 15 (55:47):
Yeah, I think so. I think actually Stuart Nation made
some really good points. I don't think they've said that
every crime will be investigated. What I've heard is we
will continue to catch offenders wherever possible.

Speaker 2 (55:59):
I think they said there.

Speaker 15 (56:00):
Will be a police response. That can mean anything. That
can be a phone call to the shop to say,
how are you going? Anyone hurt? Yeah, okay, we'll get
there if we can. I mean, I think I think
Thomas is right here. This has all come from this
ridiculous What the hell is the file management center anyway?

Speaker 2 (56:17):
So Allie is the vile management center, not where you
When the call comes in and it gets it becomes
it becomes a file, it becomes a case. Note it
gets sent to them, doesn't it to file it somewhere?
They're like the librarians, aren't they? Yeah, well, who would know?

Speaker 15 (56:31):
I mean I had a visual straight away of this
room full of files. I mean that's just because you know,
that's how I was imagining it. But I mean they
said that they were applying nationally standardized value thresholds basically,
And how the hell you can be so prescriptive on
something like that, I do not know. I think what
Stuart Nash said was correct. It will depend on where
the priorities are and who they have available. But you

(56:53):
cannot rule out not investigating these crimes. I think as
soon as you do, it's open season.

Speaker 2 (56:59):
Yeah. But also at the same time, job was We
have to be realistic, don't They're just simply are not
enough police officers to go around for all of the
crimes that are reported, and therefore we have to put
more power in the retailer's hands, don't we.

Speaker 22 (57:11):
Well, I mean, obviously retailers and certainly some advocates have
been calling for the citizens arrest things we've been hearing about,
which is fine so far as it goes. I'm open
to it, but we don't want retailers having to defend
themselves to be our policy prescription for crime. We need
the cops to be able to say we are able
to address this ourselves. Citizens arrests are a policy of

(57:34):
last resort, not a plan.

Speaker 2 (57:36):
Yeah, I agree, Heather.

Speaker 15 (57:37):
I don't understand what the big issue is here though.
I mean, if someone is going to rip someone off
in a shop, they are not going to know what
the priorities are for the police at that time. So
it's kind of a bit like Russian roulette. So if
you're going to steal something, you could be investigated. You
may not, but is it worth the risk? And I
think that's probably the way the police are applying it.

Speaker 2 (57:56):
Yeah, maybe so. So what you're doing is if you're
going to go four, are you saying you're going to
go make your four hundred and ninety nine dollar thing
to be under the five hundred dollars threshold. You're taking
a bit of a punt as to whether the cops
are available that day or not.

Speaker 15 (58:08):
No, I think the dollar limit is just an absolute
redhead hearring.

Speaker 4 (58:12):
I really do.

Speaker 15 (58:13):
I think we have to ignore the dollar the dollar value.
I don't think if someone is found stealing a bottle
of nail polish. That's probably a bit different. But I
don't think that there's a line there that says, you know,
five hundred bucks. I think it's dependent on whether police
are available or not. Yes, and that's what the shoplift
has got to consider, regardless of what they're stealing.

Speaker 2 (58:31):
Actually, yes, okay, that's a fair point. All right, we'll
take a break. Come back to you guys shortly quarter two.

Speaker 1 (58:36):
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Speaker 2 (58:42):
Write you back with a huddle, Alie, what are we
going to do about this? Run it nonsense?

Speaker 15 (58:47):
Oh Heather, isn't it just tragic? I mean, this young
man that's recently died watching it on the TV, watching
grown men run at each other, young men and women,
young women. They do stupid things, right, but it shouldn't
cost them their life. And this is just stupid, absolutely stupid.
We all know the dangers and I actually think anyone
who organizes this as a part of this, promotes this,

(59:09):
shows it on social media, should be done for attempted murder.
I think this potentially is something that is going to
kill people as we are seeing, and I think people
should be held accountable for it.

Speaker 2 (59:21):
I mean, Thomas, I think we all want to hold
somebody accountable, but realistically we can't. Really the only we
can't even ban it really because because we'll just do
it wherever.

Speaker 4 (59:29):
So what do you do?

Speaker 2 (59:29):
I mean, do you just to just talk to kids
and keep ramming home the message you can't do this?

Speaker 4 (59:36):
Yeah?

Speaker 22 (59:36):
Well, I mean I think it's important to acknowledge that
though this was an incredibly tragic loss of life with
this young man passing away, he was not participating in
any formal event as far as I understand it. So
there is this formal run it straight event that's being organized,
but he was just participating with some presumably friends, doing
something that wasn't wise. And I worry when our first

(59:58):
response to any tragedy is immediately okay, how do we
step in and how can we immediately solve this problem?
What should the government have already done? I think the
run at straight events is a formal thing probably shouldn't happen,
Certainly I can't imagine that pass any work safe assessment
protection for the people who are participating. But in the
case of this young man, passing away. I think it's

(01:00:20):
a tragedy and a lesson to be learned, But there's
not actually anything government could do.

Speaker 15 (01:00:25):
Well, maybe they could run a public information campaign. Then
you know, we talk about the dangers with smoking, we
talk about the danger of cholesterol and diabetes. I mean,
your brain jiggling around inside your skull is quite clearly
quite dangerous and can kill you.

Speaker 2 (01:00:38):
So then Ali, maybe the government, I agree with you,
but I mean, obviously that's a message we want to
ram home. But haven't we been talking about this with
regard to sport and contact sport for like decades now, and.

Speaker 15 (01:00:49):
So have we though it's been on the news, Well,
I think it's been on the news, and you could
say the same about five plus a day. You could
say that about a whole lot of stuff that we
try and put out there from a public information, you know, perspective.
But I think that this has become such a fad
if you like, now, and the fact that it's got
grown ups doing it, and as Thomas mentioned, you've got

(01:01:11):
these almost sanctioned official events. I think it's quite different.
I think that something seriously has to be done and
be done soon. And I think some information Let's see
those brains jiggling around inside those heads and sea eyes
rolling back and people dying, because that's.

Speaker 20 (01:01:25):
What it does to you.

Speaker 2 (01:01:26):
Yeah, I mean you wouldn't think you would think, though, Alie,
that that just what watching these videos, seeing somebody get
the head knock and convulse on the ground should be
enough to make the kids not want to do it.

Speaker 15 (01:01:36):
And yet I do one of them want to watch
that though. What was that thing Jackass or something on
TV years ago? Right, that's people like watching that stuff.
I can't watch it. It actually makes me feel sick.
But people love that noise, they love that crunch, they
love people landing with a bar between the legs or whatever.
So there's always going to be a market for someone
to see something like that, and it's just gross.

Speaker 2 (01:01:57):
We have to stop it, Okay, now, thoughts Thomas on
mccron v. Macron on the plane.

Speaker 22 (01:02:04):
Well, I mean here there as a general rule, I
try not to understand the French. It's a it's a
place I just I don't want to wrap my head around.
But what I want to say is Emmanuel Macron is
a pro. You know, the door is open here realizes
and immediately he switched on with a big grin, So
he's clearly, clearly a pro when it comes to politicking.

(01:02:25):
And what about the guy who opened the door? I mean, well,
I wasn't going to call for it, but he has
one job and it's opened the door at the right
time and in the wrong time.

Speaker 9 (01:02:37):
Man.

Speaker 2 (01:02:37):
I'll tell you what though, Allie, have you ever considered, like,
did you did you pause at any point during the
day and thinks if it was the other way around,
if it was a dude shoving his hands in a
woman's face, the difference that it would be.

Speaker 15 (01:02:49):
I thought you were going to say, did you pause
the video so you could see? Really No, I didn't
think about the gender swap, to be honest, because I'm
so fascinated by call us.

Speaker 2 (01:03:01):
I want to call us out because we're all finding
this mildly amusing that it's a woman doing it to
a man. But it's still domestic violence, isn't it.

Speaker 10 (01:03:09):
Yeah?

Speaker 15 (01:03:10):
I remember who was It was a Nigella lawson and
her then husband a number of years ago, and he
put his hands up around her face or neck and
that was all over the media. I think it comes
down to weather. People really genuinely believe this was a
physical altercation or a bit of you know, a bit
of fun. I think that she was seriously annoyed. Clearly

(01:03:31):
has tape. Yeah I know, but he's saying it's a
bit of a joke.

Speaker 2 (01:03:34):
Last time you were having a bit of fun with
your husband and shoved your hands in his mouth. Well,
don't ask that question.

Speaker 15 (01:03:39):
No, that's yeah, No, I'm not that's too much information.

Speaker 7 (01:03:41):
Thanks Heather.

Speaker 2 (01:03:42):
Yes, really good place to leave it, guys, Thank you
so much. Ellie Jones read PR Thomas Scriminger, Maximum Institute. Wow,
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Speaker 2 (01:04:08):
Five Away from six. Heather. Is Brigitte Macron a man
or a woman?

Speaker 4 (01:04:13):
Now?

Speaker 2 (01:04:14):
I don't know if you know this, but there is
a conspiracy theory that Brigitte Macron is a woman now
a man because she obviously is a woman obviously and
apparently and this all this has been going How long
has this been going on on? The internets for years,
for years apparently, but it apparently surfaced while I was

(01:04:34):
on maternity leave and sort of, you know how conspiracy
theory sort of bubbler long and then the what pop
their head up, you know, like occasionally, well popped up
in February and then Laura the German was telling me
about it because she and her friends like to do
this thing where they get together and they have sort
of like create your own fun events and to create
your own fun event that they did. Listen, what mums
do you know? Mums try to find interesting things. Anyway,

(01:04:58):
the create your own fun event that they for themselves
the ladies was that they had to give each other
a presentation on their favorite conspiracy theories. And she was
telling me that her friends their favorite conspiracy theory is,
in fact, that Brigitte Macron is a man. So I
didn't know this thing with them, Well, do not type
it into your computer because it's gonna there's not just

(01:05:18):
one or two hits on. I mean, whoa Candace Owens,
You know Candace Owens from the US Old Old loves
a conspiracy controversy herself. She's been peddling it. She reckons
Brigitte used to go by the name Jean Michel Tournelle
and then transitioned and now is you know. And look,
I've had a number of texts on it, so I've
been trying to ignore it, but it's been going on

(01:05:40):
for two hours and it's worn me down and scrammed
me down. So now I've mentioned it. But apparently living
proof that she is in fact a man is the
fact that she laid hands on a man. Honey, I
don't think that's proof that she's a man. Women do
that regard. I don't need to be meant anyway. There
you go, that's something you didn't know that you now
know about. And you can google that later on and
totally stuff with the algorithm because it's gonna give you.
After that, you'll get all kinds of They're going to

(01:06:02):
start throwing fluoridation at you if you type the sin.
So I'm just warning you, Heather. Stuart Nash is definitely
going to stand for New Zealand first, Isn't he?

Speaker 4 (01:06:09):
Isn't he? Though?

Speaker 2 (01:06:10):
I mean, did you hear it? Did you hear the
sucking sounds as he sucked up to Winston when he
was like, it's the only party getting cut through in
the regions. Jeez, honestly, hither what are we going to
do when the cops actually turn up to shoplifters and
catch them. The courts can't even deal with the most
serious crime right now. Thank you for raising that, because
we need to talk at some stage in the next

(01:06:31):
hour about the pe dealers in Nadawahir. And there's a
whole story there, but includes at the tail end of
the story how we go from three years in jail
to ten months home d And yeah, that judge should
feel pretty ashamed of himself. I would have thought we'll
deal with that. But next up, let's talk AI with
Jason Parris of One New Zealand you still t b

(01:06:54):
I get in when.

Speaker 1 (01:06:57):
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Speaker 2 (01:07:11):
In the next hour. We've got that FAGO CR decision tomorrow.
Paul Bloxham of HSB will give us his thoughts on
just how much it needs to drop by. Brad Olsen
wants to fight with me about super so we'll do
it and we'll have Ende Brady with us out of
the UK. It's seven past six now to AI. Most
of us use AI, and we know that we're using it.
Four and five of us almost have used it in

(01:07:31):
the past year knowingly. But that doesn't mean we trust it.
And you report by One New Zealand out today found
we do not trust large companies to use it. We're
most concerned with our personal data being misused, with job
losses associated with AI, and with AI making unfair decisions.
Jason Parris is the chief executive of one end z Hi. Jason,
I hear that, Jason, Given that most of us use it,

(01:07:51):
you'd think they would be okay with it. But why
are we so worried about it?

Speaker 23 (01:07:56):
Yeah, I think there's a bit of nervousness about it
because people don't know that probably using it most days anyway.
So I think the survey said seventy percent of us, no,
we are, but I think it's more like one hundred
percent of people are using Spotify or maps or social
or social media. But I think it's the lack of
transparency on what is going on behind the scenes of

(01:08:20):
those AI tools that they don't know about. Makes you
naturally suspicious. How are you using my data? How you
are you are you tracking me? What is this going
to mean for jobs and for employment when you make
a recommendation to me? Is it in my best interests?
Or is it in the best interests of the company.
So all pretty interesting themes that I kind of you know,

(01:08:43):
it makes sense that customers should be concerned about it.

Speaker 2 (01:08:46):
Is it maybe an underlying lack of trust in big
corporate It's like, it's okay for me to use AI
because I know what I'm doing and I can trust myself,
But I don't trust those guys.

Speaker 23 (01:08:55):
There's probably an undertone there. It's just been around, you know,
for years globally in New Zealand. But I think with
the opportunity is you've got this massive opportunity, a productivity
gain for New Zealand by using AI across different businesses
and all facets of life. But it needs to be
done transparently, and sometimes corporates aren't as transparent as they

(01:09:18):
need to be, and therefore there's a.

Speaker 5 (01:09:20):
Question on trust.

Speaker 23 (01:09:21):
I don't think any corporate gets up every morning and
goes how can I rip a customer off? And I
don't think they're going to go how can I use
AI to do anything bad? We just need to be
about transparent about how we use this amazing technology.

Speaker 2 (01:09:33):
Yeah, do you think that the job fears are I mean,
you mentioned it yourself. People are really worried that they
will lose their jobs or all these humans will be
displaced by robots. But it seems increasingly that actually it's
more a tool for the humans to use. You still
need the humans at the moment.

Speaker 23 (01:09:48):
AI is coming to your job, not for your job,
like we've deployed AI across most parts of our business,
and I would say the max I've seen of anyone's
job of tasks that someone would be forming is about
thirty percent. So what it's doing at the moment is
just letting us get to that to do list that's
longer than my arm that you never get to by

(01:10:09):
removing all the noise and the stuff that you don't
like doing because it's repetitive and boring and brain dumbing,
so you can work on the.

Speaker 5 (01:10:17):
Call sexy stuff.

Speaker 23 (01:10:19):
And five years though, I think the technology is evolving
fast enough to go, actually some roles won't be there
because the roles we've got organizations are to kind of
hide process gaps or an efficiency or old technology that
shouldn't be in the business, and so you should be
able to speed it up using AI. The key is

(01:10:39):
then to make sure that you train and upscale those
people so they can be deployed in more value creating
roles within your organization and it doesn't come as a surprise.
So again, corporates have a responsibility to talk early and transparently,
not just with customers but their teams as well.

Speaker 2 (01:10:56):
Out of ten, how much of a cheerleader do you
think you are.

Speaker 5 (01:11:01):
Well compared to the warriors?

Speaker 4 (01:11:02):
Or like?

Speaker 2 (01:11:07):
That sounded so much more disparaging than I meant it
to sound. I don't mean it in a disparaging way
at all, but I mean you are like a super
enthusiast for this, aren't you.

Speaker 4 (01:11:15):
Well.

Speaker 23 (01:11:15):
I just love New Zealand, I think, and you as
you know. I think it's the greatest country on the
planet to live and work. Yes, we have our challenges,
but I just think it's it's a privilege to live here.
And I can see that AI could be the new
productivity gain or create new areas of growth and innovation.

Speaker 2 (01:11:34):
For for us, especially for New Zealand fast because we move.

Speaker 23 (01:11:39):
Fast and our lack of scale is a massive advantage
because we can move, we can move fast. The digitization
of the world means that you know, actually innovation is decentralized.
You don't need to go to Silicon Valley. You can
do it from Auckland or Nelson or you know, Timaru.

Speaker 2 (01:11:54):
Jason, do you reckon? People have realized though? Have the
big corporate leaders, Have the workers of New Zealand realized
how much we could actually use this and harnessed it.

Speaker 23 (01:12:02):
I think they have. And that is the danger because
we're going to go after it fast, which we should,
but we need to go after it transparently and make
sure that we do it in a way that brings
our customers with us and they trust us for it.

Speaker 2 (01:12:17):
So I've downloaded the chat GPT. Well, yep, I've already had.
It's already it's already solved a lot of my problems today. Jason,
next minute, I'm.

Speaker 23 (01:12:26):
Too you should be not just at work, but also
at home as well. I found it can get you
out of a lot of trouble at home too.

Speaker 2 (01:12:34):
Oh you do you want to expand on that for us?

Speaker 23 (01:12:36):
Just you know, what are the excuses for me being
you know forty five minutes late yet again for my
wife that I haven't already used a number of times before.

Speaker 2 (01:12:46):
Jason, thank you very much, look after yourself. Jason Parris,
chief executive of One New Zealand. I'll tell you what
so on the AI, I have been a little bit
sort of on it right because what happened was when
it came out early days, I tried it out and
I was just a little underwhelmed by it. I just thought, look,
there's nothing that this thing is doing that are kind

(01:13:07):
of like extensive Google search. Couldn't base that I couldn't
just take a couple of minutes extra and doing an
extensive Google search. And I don't know that chat gpt
had an app at that stage. So it all just
felt a little bit hard. But what has happened is
that Jason Paris today at this event that I was
telling you about that I chaired the panel of, he

(01:13:27):
demonstrated how far AI has come in the last few months,
Like where what I was using a few months ago
and was underwhelmed by is completely different to what they're
using right now. So he got the app open, there
was a bunch of flowers behind him, held the app to,
you know, open the camera and stuff, and said to
the app, what is this? And it says, A beautiful
bunch of flowers. It looks really nice in that particular setting.

(01:13:49):
And then he was and it was like, it looks
like this kind of flower and that kind of flower.
And he asked it, where can I buy this in
New Zealand? Name specific shops and it named specific shops
where he could go. And so as you can see,
I mean, you can just hold your phone to something
and say what is it and it will tell you
what it is and where you can buy it. I mean,
you've got to prompt it a weep it, but that's
a hell of a lot faster than sitting there googling,

(01:14:11):
going purple flower, what is it?

Speaker 13 (01:14:13):
Is it that one?

Speaker 2 (01:14:14):
Or is it that one? AI will do it all
for you. But the remarkable thing about it is not
so much that AI is doing this, because I mean,
I think we all anticipated AI would do this. It's
how quickly it has advanced just in the last few
months since I popoed it. Now I've downloaded the app.
Now I'm going to be using it for everything, and
I'm also going to download it on my husband's phone

(01:14:34):
so that I can just eliminate some of the questions
that I'm getting. Like if he's like, what's that, I'll
be like, here's your chat GPT use your second wife.
Ask the second wife, don't ask the first wife. Fourteen
past six.

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Speaker 2 (01:15:09):
This, parents fights music. Yeah, that's a bit more fighty.
All right, Brad, that's you, Brad Olson Informetric's principal economist.
Because Brad, you're gonna have a fight with me about superannuation,
aren't you.

Speaker 8 (01:15:21):
I don't think it'll be a fight. I think it'll
be a good ration debate.

Speaker 20 (01:15:24):
You know, we'll have some some good information coming through
and we'll see what principal points win at the end.

Speaker 2 (01:15:29):
Right, what is your problem with my position?

Speaker 20 (01:15:32):
My problem is that you want to you're defending your
trying to keep the pension, and I get that. Your
point is also that you want to see some of
that the welfare support that's being provided out there trend
back as well. But let's get real on the New
Zealand Super conversation. At the moment, New Zealand is spending
twenty three point two billion dollars on SUPER. That's more

(01:15:52):
than the entire education budget. It's far more than any
other benefit we've got coming forward. It is increasingly and
I think the challenge that I've got on SUPER and
maintaining it at its current rate is that people are
living longer. We've got more older people coming through. At
some point, we as a country are already having to
start deciding what we're spending on or not. And at

(01:16:13):
the moment, we're paying for people to be old over
other stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:16:16):
Okay, what is the total welfare budget in New Zealand.
How much do we allocate to it.

Speaker 20 (01:16:21):
It's a round about forty billion dollars in the last year, again,
twenty three billion of that being New Zealand Super alone.

Speaker 2 (01:16:29):
Okay, so there is a huge amount, and in that
we will be counting I mean, that's not even everything
that I have a problem with, but in that we're
counting the winter energy money, we're counting the assistance for
working for families. Everything's in there, right, that's that.

Speaker 20 (01:16:43):
Yep, you've got everything from job seeker about four point
six billion through to working out winter energy payment.

Speaker 2 (01:16:47):
Kay, brilliant. So we've got we've got a lot of
money that we can peel back here. Now, why would
you not start by pick because I don't mind moving
the pension. My only argument is prioritizing, right, why would
you not start by taking money off people who actually
can pay for things themselves? For example, students.

Speaker 8 (01:17:04):
Sorry like like like older people. Mean again, you've got.

Speaker 2 (01:17:08):
Let me finish. I'm talking about students, right, students who
are in the third year of university who up to
now we're paying for it themselves.

Speaker 8 (01:17:17):
Why are we not?

Speaker 2 (01:17:17):
Why are we suddenly paying for it? Why don't we
take that away from them first?

Speaker 20 (01:17:21):
Well, because in terms of being for back, it's New
Zealand super where you'll get the biggest change there. I mean, look,
you talk about people who can pay for it themselves.
At the moment, fifty percent of sixty five to sixty
nine year olds currently still work, and we are giving
them money every single week for just being over the
age of sixty five. There's no means testing that goes
on at all. So in terms of I mean put

(01:17:41):
it this way. At the moment, New Zealand Souper is
the biggest welfare line. The second largest is Job Secret
for PA.

Speaker 2 (01:17:48):
We're not going to take all of it away, Brad,
how much are we going to save? If we shift
the goalpost from sixty five to sixty seven, you'd.

Speaker 20 (01:17:55):
Shift You'd be earning a lot more back than you
would be by making some changes for the likes of
the student allowanced student loans and fees free that came through.

Speaker 2 (01:18:04):
I haven't for watched there. I would be doing a
lot more than that. I'd be taking away that third
year free quickly. That should be an easy hit. I
don't even understand why they're not doing that fast. I
do that, then I take away the winter energy payment,
because then at least you're peeling a little bit a
bit of something away from the pensioners. But also then
I'd start having a really good look at that working
for families which has just basically blown out, hasn't it.

(01:18:26):
And in there do you not think that you could
save as much as if you take away those two
years off pensioners.

Speaker 20 (01:18:34):
Well, I think of you if you took the two
years off pension if you changed that age. And that's
more specifically because we know that people are spending an
extra nearly five years on SUPER than they were before. Yes,
put it this way, if I was telling you that
people were spending five extra years on jobs seeking benefits,
you'll be absolutely you know, besides yourself with the level
of benefit dependency there. And that's what we're doing with SUPER.

(01:18:54):
So I guess my proposal here is if you're wanting
to sort of figure out where you can claw back
some of the money that isn't currently sort of targeted
to the people that need it the most, New Zealand
Super is far and away the area that you need
to address first. Yes, you might be willing to address
those other areas too, but you're talking since on the
dollar compared to what you're doing. If you change New

(01:19:14):
Zealand Super, we literally are getting to the point hither
where we will be spending one in five dollars that
government spends will be on New Zealand Souper in about
a decade's time.

Speaker 8 (01:19:23):
So all the other stuff is pipsqueaks.

Speaker 2 (01:19:24):
Ay you means testing it or are you just going
sixty five to sixty seven for everybody, I.

Speaker 8 (01:19:30):
Would probably look at doing both.

Speaker 20 (01:19:31):
I mean, the sixty five to sixty seven shift is
purely because life expectancy has increased from where it was
in the nineteen nineties when we last change give a brand.

Speaker 2 (01:19:39):
I'm going to come back to you on this, and
I'm it say it's very easy for you to say
this because you sit on your butt all day doing economics. Right,
you try telling this to a builder who's carrying gigantic
pieces of timber since he was seventeen, eighteen years old.
His body is broken by sixty never mind sixty five,
never mind sixty seven.

Speaker 20 (01:19:57):
Then you address that in the right way through targeting,
not by providing it to everyone. Because while I might
agree with you, there around the likes of construction workers
and some of my father is one of them. You
look at the number of people there that are still
getting paid plus when they're over the age of sixty five,
that are also doing jobs.

Speaker 8 (01:20:14):
Just like mine.

Speaker 2 (01:20:15):
And I'm not another one for you, Okay, I'm.

Speaker 20 (01:20:18):
Thinking here that you would argue I expect that looking
at that same example, if you had brad Age sixty
seven currently doing his economist's role, are you wanting to
give him New Zealand Super.

Speaker 8 (01:20:26):
Can you really support that, Brad?

Speaker 2 (01:20:28):
I think that you've paid a lot in your taxes
and you deserve to be looked after. And if you
don't want to work at sixty five, y're entitled to.

Speaker 20 (01:20:35):
But that's a difference here because I haven't actually contributed
anything through to my future New Zealand Super payments. All
I'm doing at the moment as a taxpayer under thirty
is I'm currently paying for the Super for those who
are currently retired. There is no pre payment here of
New Zealand Super apart from a bit of an adjustment
in the Color Fund. But put it this way for you, hither,
when you're not currently retired, you have not pre paid anything.

Speaker 8 (01:20:57):
For you take it. The government owes you nothing.

Speaker 2 (01:20:59):
Okay. I totally accept that argument. I mean that emotionally
they do. But I understand what you're saying. But what
about this? Okay, So if we were to adjust sixty
five to sixty seven, when are we doing it?

Speaker 20 (01:21:10):
I would start to increase it by anywhere from three
to six months almost immediately.

Speaker 2 (01:21:15):
No, but you're you, you don't get to call the shots.
Let's be realistic about this. When are the politicians going
to do it? When did Billings shake?

Speaker 8 (01:21:22):
I'll still be alive. I don't know if I'll still
be alive when the politicians.

Speaker 2 (01:21:25):
Okay, move, I mean what you're arguing about is something
that they will start signaling now for thirty years from now. Okay,
can we wait that long?

Speaker 4 (01:21:35):
Well?

Speaker 2 (01:21:35):
No, I don't think we can all start with the
tertiary stuff immediately and then we'll pencil that and for
later down the track.

Speaker 8 (01:21:41):
But here are you really saying though that you think
that the country is totally on board with changing things
up and making it harder for young people, but we
shouldn't be able to touch what older people. Yes, that
is wrong.

Speaker 20 (01:21:53):
That is absolutely wrong, and if that's the country that
we live in, I'm really sad and worried for our future.

Speaker 2 (01:21:58):
No have you did you not learn to respect you elders?

Speaker 20 (01:22:01):
How don't we learn to respect my olders? But I
also learned that respect has to be earned, not just given.
And I think that even those who are over sixty
five must recognize at this point that just getting paid
money for every single over sixty five year old just
by simply existing is not the best way to spend
twenty three billion dollars, the largest single piece of spending
outside of the healthcare system.

Speaker 2 (01:22:22):
Brad, I love your enthusiasm. Thank you for talking me
through it. You've given me a lot to think about.
I'm going to go away and think about it, and
I hope you'll think about some of the stuff, maybe
some of the stuff I said to you. Brad Olson,
principal economist at Infmetrics, twenty five past six.

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Speaker 2 (01:22:50):
Paul Bloxham of HSBC will be with us after the news.
Hither one win for Brad. Hither, I love it. Two
trains of thought, more of it. Hither that's a ten
to nine round to bread. Heither, I'm four months away
from getting the pension. I agree with everything that Brad said. Heather,
he's on the ropes. Go Brad, but don't touch the
super What what do you That was literally his entire argument.

(01:23:11):
What are you talking about, Heather? Good on you rip
that clown a new one bloody desk sitting idiot, Heather,
did he just call you butt head?

Speaker 8 (01:23:20):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:23:21):
Probably, Heather. We are also paying over four hundred thousand
people on the bloody doll Sort out that lot of
bloodges first before interfering with New Zealand super payments.

Speaker 8 (01:23:29):
Do you know what I agree with?

Speaker 2 (01:23:30):
Do you know what so I said to chat GPT.
He said, how many beneficiaries are there in New Zealand currently?
AI says three hundred and ninety eight thousand people, twelve
percent of the working age population.

Speaker 20 (01:23:44):
Super.

Speaker 2 (01:23:44):
Listen, here's the problem. Super is the easy thing to cut,
because then you don't have to cut all this other
crack that's going on in this country as well. Cut
the doll bludges, cut the free stuff for students that
they don't need, cut the payments to babies for being babies,
and come on, cut all of that stuff. And when
you still don't have enough money, then we'll start talking
about the pension headline sneakin new.

Speaker 1 (01:24:05):
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Speaker 4 (01:24:20):
That'd be.

Speaker 24 (01:24:22):
O, ma, won't you fabnam.

Speaker 2 (01:24:30):
Let's start, got to tell you what happened in Nadawaihi.
I almost forgot with the gang at you remember the
Sandwich Gang. I'll give you a little update on that shortly.
It's twenty through old. By the way, Heather Brad's convinced
me that the pensionage should go back to sixty cut
the fifteen billion dollar borrowed for tax cuts. So that
backfired on him, didn't it. Twenty three away from seven now,
all eyes are on the Reserve Bank tomorrow afternoon, when

(01:24:50):
the Acting Reserve Bank Governor, Christian Hawksby will announce any
changes to the OCR and then talk to media for
the first time as the governor. Paul Bloxham is HSPECIES
chief economist, Hey Paul good aim twenty five basis point cut.

Speaker 5 (01:25:03):
I think that's likely. That's certainly what we think's gonna arrive,
and that's the consensus obviously in the market as well.
I mean, there's always a possibility it doesn't, but I
think that the way the economy is still quite sluggish
and growth is still weak enough that the RBNZ is
likely to be focused on that weaker growth story, and
inflation is low enough at least on the last print

(01:25:25):
to allow them to be able to ease a bit further.
But the key question is going to be what they
have to say about what's coming after that. I think
that's where you can have a much sort of more
vivid debate about what's next.

Speaker 2 (01:25:36):
Why not cup fifty basis points?

Speaker 5 (01:25:40):
Well, I think the RBNZ has done a lot of
easing already, is the answer. They've already cut their cash
right by two hundred basis points over a pretty small
amount of time if you think about it. I mean,
the first cut came in August of last year. We're
sitting here in May of this year. I mean, I
think so that's one reason there's a lot of easing
that's already been put in place. I think the second
one is that you are seeing some signs that it's

(01:26:01):
starting to get a bit of traction. You know, the
retail numbers last week, we're a bit on the stronger
side for the first quarter. You're seeing some signs of
stability in the housing market, a turnaround in some of
the sentiment indicators in the business sector. And we know
monetary policy operates with legs. You cut interest rates, it
takes time for it to feed through. So you've put

(01:26:22):
a lot of stimulus into the economy, you're seeing some
signs it's getting some traction. I think there's probably enough
evidence that you might want to ease just a bit further.
But that's where it's going to start to become a
question as to how much more beyond that needs to
be done to get the economy to turn around and
to still keep inflation consistent with target.

Speaker 2 (01:26:40):
So the thing is, Paul, I mean, everybody agrees that
we're sitting above neutral at the moment, right that is
still that OCR at that level is still strangling to
some extent. Given how bad the economy is, surely you
should actually be a neutral, if not below and providing
some stimulus.

Speaker 4 (01:26:55):
So why not?

Speaker 5 (01:26:57):
Well, I think two things. One is an estimate. We
don't actually know where neutral lives. We don't know, you know,
it's always an estimated concept. And there are large Arabans
around where that neutral estimate lies as well. And you know,
so I think for the moment, it pays the Arbenz
to be a little bit more cautious in terms of
the pace at which they deliver rate cuts. We've already

(01:27:19):
seen them pivot out of the fifty basis point moves
they were doing to the last time they moved to
a twenty five basis point move, and I think you're
seeing signs that the domestic economy stabilizing. One other remark
would be you have seen in their most recent reading
of inflation expectations. So they do their own They've got
a survey that looks at what consumers think inflation will

(01:27:39):
do going forward, a bit of a lift. It's picked
up a little bit, So that might be something that
the Arbans that will just want to keep a bit
of an eye on that inflation does remain on target
and well embedded and anchored at the middle point of
their target band.

Speaker 2 (01:27:52):
Paul, it's good to talk to you. I appreciate your
time and enjoy tomorrow. It's Paul blockham Ah Species Chief
Economists is twenty away. Do you remember that gang that
provided sandwiches for the kids in Ghardawah here? I remember
that that was maybe like I want to say, ten
years ago, that about twenty fifteen, twenty sixteen or thereabouts,
when everybody was John Key was still in power and
everybody was still talking about child poverty and it was

(01:28:13):
the big thing blah blah blah. And in Gadawahire there
was this gang called the Tribal Huck and they were
awesome people, like really really cool people because even though
they were a gang, I mean, never mind that, but
they because they were feeding the sandwiches to the kids
and they were like feeding like a thousand kids or something.
Really good people and also declared a war on peace.
Said that's it pea dealers. Yet, you got twenty four

(01:28:36):
hours and you're out of town and if you don't
get out, we're gonna kick you out. And we were
like just look at them, how cool are they? Well,
one of them has just been sentenced for having pea himself,
isn't he Of course he has. He had it for
possession for himself and supply for other people. Yeah, I
remember how they were like all the dealers need to
get out of town. He was a dealer. So anyway,

(01:28:57):
his name is anou Tukere. He's twenty nine. He was
in the Hamilton District Court yesterday on a charge of
possession of methem fetamine for supply. What happened is it's
New Year's Day and it's like two forty five ash
or something, it's just before three o'clock in the afternoon,
and this black Holden Captiva is going a little too
fast on Great South Thrown. They're past Topiti, you know,

(01:29:17):
past the little hill. He's driving faster than the posted
speed limits. So the police pull them over and there's
old mate two kit. He's sitting in the front seat,
isn't he But he's not driving his past. His partner's
driving sheee. I'm assuming she's the one that's driving too fast.
And the cops go, let me just have a look
inside this gloff box, if you don't mind, And they
open it up and oh, look there's a little black
lead the bag. And they're looking inside the black lead

(01:29:38):
the bag and ooh, there's a little clear plastic container
with a yellow lid, and it's got some crystals in it,
and it's methem fetter Meine and it's two ziploc bags.
Also they're containing the same it's about eighty unused small
plastic zip block point bags. Now, the only reason you've
got eighty small ziploc point bags is gonna put all
the p in that and then sell it to other people,
aren't you? Three three and a half thousand dollars in cash,

(01:29:59):
some electronic scale. Hey, that's not for weighing yourself on,
it's for weighing the methamphetamine and two one hundred graand
metal weights. The total weight of all of the metham
fetamine was thirty six grams. He tells the cops. He's
just fess right up. He says, yep, I bought about
fourteen grams of meth on Facebook marketplace, and he was

(01:30:19):
selling it to make money fast because he had kids.
So the judge said, look, I'm going to sentence you
on this. First of all the judges like, oh here,
you guys were telling everybody that you were running the
p dealers out of time. Isn't it ironic? Well, isn't
it just anyway? So Judge Cocarello takes a starting point
of three years in jail, but because I said, he's sorry,
really quickly, he gets twenty five percent knocked off, and

(01:30:41):
then his efforts towards rehab warrant a further ten percent off.
That takes him, how convenient twenty three months jail term. Now,
I don't know if you know this, but if you
if your sentence is less than twenty four months in
jail it can be converted to home D. Isn't that
amazing The judge landed at twenty three months. Isn't that
incredible that it landed there at twenty three months and

(01:31:04):
he converted it to ten months of home D because
that's what happens nowadays. So anyway, what have we learned
from this lesson? Number one? Judges are soft? Number two,
when the gang members tell you that they are awesome
people and they're feeding the kids and they're running the
p dealers out of town. Just remember, Leopards don't change
their spots, do they. Sixteen away from seven.

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Speaker 4 (01:31:39):
You talk sent me.

Speaker 2 (01:31:40):
Thirteen away from seven now. Of course, Indo Brady is
not with us this evening. He's running a crazy event
in South America, like he was telling us last week.
So while he's doing that, we've got Elizabeth Callahan with
us from the with the latest from the UK. Elizabeth, Hello, Hello, Hello,
thank you for having me, Thank you so much. What's
the latest with us? This car ramming in Paul.

Speaker 24 (01:32:01):
Yeah, this is a truly horrific incident that's taken place
yesterday evening. So dozens have been injured after a car
plowed into pedestrians during Liverpool's victory parade. Really truly horrific.
So people were out what should have been a joyous
celebration of Liverpool winning the Premier League has turned into
chaotic scenes. So nearly fifty people have been injured, among

(01:32:26):
those four children. So one child is in a serious
condition in hospital along with one other who is also
seriously injured. So police say they have arrested a fifty
three year old white British man from the Liverpool area.
But really, you know, there were tens of thousands of
people out on the streets of Liverpool and this car

(01:32:47):
appeared into this road. Witnesses say there was a confrontation
with the driver, people banging on the windows of the car,
then accelerated into the crowd. People you know, diving out
of the way, trying to get their children at the way.
It was very much a family event, tens of thousands
of people out there. It was about holiday here in
the UK yesterday, so just people there in a party mood,

(01:33:10):
a moment of jubilation, but really it has turned into
a truly horrific incident there. So yes, that's an ongoing
situation really that the Prime Minister says the scenes are appalling.

Speaker 2 (01:33:25):
If it's not terrorism related, then what has gone on here?
What's is motivation? Oh we don't know.

Speaker 24 (01:33:31):
I mean the police are being very tight lipped that
what they don't want is there to be a spread
of misinformation and they're actually urging people with social media
footage to well not to share any video footage on
social media. That they have ruled out terrorism and were
very clear that they wanted to say that it was

(01:33:54):
a British white man from the Liverpool area. So we
really don't know, I mean, how the car got into
that packed street in the first place. There would have
been tight cornered off roads. So there will be a
big investigation into how something like this has taken place.
But indeed the emergency services were on the scene very quickly,

(01:34:18):
as there are at these big events. There were a
lot of police and emergency services there, so you know
they were on the scene very quickly.

Speaker 4 (01:34:27):
Thanks all.

Speaker 2 (01:34:27):
Elizabeth. Russia's obviously denied, as it would any involvement with
the asin tex on Keirstamer's property, But I mean, am
I five treating this as seriously linked to Russia.

Speaker 24 (01:34:38):
Well over the weekend there were reports in the UK
press that security officials were investigating the Kremlin's involvement in
these arson attacks, which End probably would have told you about.
Earlier this month there was a vehicle fire in Kentish
Town and two properties in that either belong to the

(01:35:00):
PM or former homes. So the Kremlin spokesperson has said
that the claims are ludicrous and that London tends to
suspect Russian involvement in all things bad things that are
happening in Great Britain. But three Ukrainian born men have
been charged in relation to the attacks. They deny the charges,

(01:35:22):
but it's who knows. In this kind of world that
we're living in. Certainly the police will be looking at
all all kind of inquiries as to who could be
involved into these arsonal attacks on the comperties link to

(01:35:42):
p Stalman.

Speaker 2 (01:35:43):
Elizabeth, thank you appreciate. Elizabeth Kellahan, UK correspondent TOES. You
think if the Russians behind it, they do a better
job than these guys did here. The police stop going
on about working for families. I'm a single father of
three boys under five. I work forty hours a week
and after that I pay eight hundred and fifty two
dollars a week in childcare. My working for families really helps,

(01:36:03):
or I could just go on the dole. I guess now, Michael, listen,
this is a fair point, Okay, my problem when they
rolled out when when it was so geez Helen, it
was one of the worst. I love Helen. Helen was
a great prime minister, but this just was an abomination
when Alan did it. At the time, she will have
had advice along the lines of Helen. If you roll
out welfare for middle class, which is for working families.

(01:36:26):
If you roll out welfare for working families, all that's
going to happen is that the employer is not going
to have to raise their wages by as much. It's
not going to put pressure on employers to raise wages.
And sure enough, that is exactly what's happened. It's essentially
subsidizing your wage. So nowadays, of course Michael fair enough
needs for the working for families in order to be
able to raise three children. The reason he needs it

(01:36:48):
is because his employer doesn't have the imperative now to
pay him anymore. But if we unwound working for families slowly, slowly,
slowly and said very explicitly to employers, you are going
to have to step up here. You are going to
have to pay these people. The government cannot keep on
paying basically subsidizing your wage eventually. But I mean, you know,
like it's obviously going to be that'll be tricky, tricky.

(01:37:09):
It's easier to put something in then it is to
unwined something going to be tricky as hell thing to do.
But somehow we have to do this because we cannot
beat Look as it, essentially, we cannot be subsidizing the
income of families so that their employers don't have to
That is what is going on here. So right now, Michael,
of course you need the money because that's the system
we've set up. But over time we need to figure

(01:37:29):
out how your boss can pay you instead of us
paying you. Eight away from seven, it's the.

Speaker 1 (01:37:34):
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Speaker 2 (01:37:41):
Heather Employers are happy to pay employees more, but government
needs to come to the party by reducing the income
company income taxes to offset it. Look, I don't hate that.
I don't hate that as an idea, because what's our
income tax rate become? Our company tax rate is twenty
eight percent, isn't it? And you know, if you want
to be competing with the likes of Singapore and stuff,
they're on seventeen percent, Ireland's on fifteen sent by memory
or something like that. We're priced up there, aren't we.

(01:38:03):
So yeah, I don't hate this. Listen, I has l
Brown been listening to the show? Is that what's going on?
And he might well have been named Okay, Look, I
don't like this from al Brown.

Speaker 1 (01:38:16):
El.

Speaker 2 (01:38:16):
You remember the other day we were having a chat
about coffee and we said, in order of like decent
cups of coffee, you're going to start with your espresso, right,
your flat whites, your lattes, your mocaccino's, your cappuccinos, your machiato's, whatever,
whatever whatever. That's at the top. Obviously at the bottom
is your drip coffee. And you filter coffee right because
that stuff is like if you can't get the paint

(01:38:38):
off the concrete on your outside, you just put some
of that on off it comes and in the middle
its second place, surprisingly is a good cup of instant coffee. Right,
but remember at the bottom is the drip coffee and
the plunge of coffee. Because L Brown has come out
and said we need to get into the drip coffee.
He said espresso's too expensive. He was like, if you're
paying seven dollars a cup of better be good. I

(01:38:58):
agree with him on that. It's very often I pay
that for a cup and it's a crappy cup, and
I'd just rather have it at home, rather have my
little instant at home. He says he's selling three dollar
fifty cups of bottomless drip coffee and reckons it's not bad.
And he reckons the modern product is not the crappy
stuff that we remember from American hotel rooms. Now, I
think what I need to do is go to our

(01:39:19):
ale needs to invite me around, and I need to
come to his house or his joint, you know, his outfit,
because he does sell cups of coffee. I'll come and
try it and then we'll make a judgment call on that.
He reckons it gets you as high, that's his words,
as high as an espresso as.

Speaker 25 (01:39:35):
Bone Thanks in harmony, Thugush Shruggish Bone to play us
out tonight. Bone thanks to Harmony is going to be
Are there going to be performing in Auckland here in
October twenty?

Speaker 2 (01:39:43):
Is that the nineties band that's reuniting.

Speaker 8 (01:39:45):
Yeah, well this is the thing.

Speaker 25 (01:39:46):
It's going to be all five of them apparently, Busy Bone,
Flesh and Bone, Crazy Bone, Wishbone and Lazy Bone. They
all got back together earlier this year after a fifteen
year separation, so they've definitely been to New Zealand before,
but I don't know whether all five of them would
certainly not have been here for a very long time.
So yeah, tickets will be going on on sale on
June the fifty playing in Wellington. I know they're an
awkward there. It's sparking.

Speaker 2 (01:40:06):
Playing in Wellington. Can you get into this?

Speaker 8 (01:40:09):
Believe it or not?

Speaker 25 (01:40:10):
Even when I was into hip hop, I never really
got into both things in harmony, But I don't know why.

Speaker 8 (01:40:13):
They're really skilled.

Speaker 25 (01:40:14):
They can rap really really fast and have amazing flow.

Speaker 2 (01:40:16):
So yeah, they go to this actually might have to
schedule listen. Thank you for that and appreciate that. Enjoy yourself.
See you tomorrow.

Speaker 1 (01:40:40):
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Speaker 2 (01:40:42):
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Speaker 1 (01:40:43):
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