May 8, 2025 • 8 mins
Tonight on The Huddle, former Labour Minister Stuart Nash and broadcaster Mark Sainsbury joined in on a discussion about the following issues of the day - and more!
The first photos of Mark Lundy have appeared in the Herald. Should these photos have been released at all?
The pay equity saga continues, with protests planned around the country for tomorrow. Did the Government stuff this up?
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
On the huddle we have this evening. Stuart Nash, former
labor minister and Mark Sainsbury broadcaster highlights.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
Never how are you good good now?
Speaker 1 (00:09):
Says how do you feel about the heir all taking
photos of Mark Lundy today?
Speaker 2 (00:14):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (00:15):
You know, and some mas others don't care, you know.
I mean he's come out as he can't do media interviews,
so it's purely voyeuristic, isn't it.
Speaker 4 (00:24):
Yes, totally.
Speaker 3 (00:26):
But you know that's why we all complained about clickbait
and all this sort of stuff, and we all look
at it. Yeah, and I did have a look. This
is the thing. I looked at the photo, but at
the same time thinking, well, you know, it doesn't really
you know, he's out, he's done, he's done his time.
Speaker 1 (00:41):
Here's a question for you, saints. How closely did you
look at the photo?
Speaker 3 (00:46):
What do you mean how close?
Speaker 1 (00:47):
Well? How much time did you spend looking at Well?
Speaker 3 (00:49):
I did spend. I didn't spend an inordinate time.
Speaker 1 (00:51):
I spent a really long time, like I spent really Yeah.
Speaker 3 (00:55):
I concentrated on he was at half beard, which I
think should be been for anyone.
Speaker 1 (01:00):
That's why I was because I was like, have you
you have you just got that weird little goatee or no,
now it's going it's gone like a full armish beard
but without the mustache. And then I was like really
interrogating the color of his hoodie and and You're like,
what kind of style are your glasses? I'm fascinated by him,
are you not?
Speaker 2 (01:18):
Look?
Speaker 3 (01:18):
There is something fascinating about about that, that whole thing.
I mean, because it's it's yeah, the whole case and
and the way it's gone through. But you know it's
it's he can't speak to the media.
Speaker 1 (01:30):
That I want to talk to him.
Speaker 2 (01:33):
Don't you? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (01:34):
I look, you know, remember when I think it was
Steve Braunius was fighting in his corner at one stage
he found him at quite an interesting and curious person.
Speaker 1 (01:43):
So, yeah, who does Steve Brownie has not find interesting
and curious? What do you think, Stuart? Did you did
you look at it?
Speaker 2 (01:50):
Did you did you look Mark brought up a good point.
We sort of have this concept in New Zealand that
if you do the crime and you're convicted, you do
your time. And once you've done your time, society has
kind of said, you know, you paid your penance, get
on and live your life. I know, it doesn't matter
what you think of the guy, or the case or
(02:11):
what you've read. Just let the guy be. He's done
his time. If he wants to keep fighting for his innocence,
well then he himself is putting himself out there. The
terms of his parole are quite strict. Just let him go.
I mean, shit, we've got more important things to deal
with in this country than Mark bloody Lunda. Haven't we
like what I mean?
Speaker 1 (02:33):
I'm not disagreeing with you. I'm just wondering, what's the
top of your mind? You pay equity Jesus day, how
badly have they stuffed this up?
Speaker 2 (02:42):
Really really badly? You know, if you're going to do
something like this, you have got to have an outstandingly
good comms program and strategy.
Speaker 4 (02:51):
That, oh my gosh, do you hit Stu Hey, Stu,
mister Relibel still, Oh you know you are?
Speaker 1 (03:01):
You do it to me most of the time. It's
too as unusual to have done it. Right, Take a
break and we'll see if we can come back to him.
All right, you're back with the huddle. Stewart, Nash and
Mark Sainsbury. Now, Ste you were saying that you need
a good comms plan. If you're going to do something
like this pay equity thing.
Speaker 2 (03:14):
Yeah, you've got to have a great comm strategy because
this was always going to cause a little bit of trouble.
They've completely stuffed this up. You know, you're fifty percent
of the population of woman. You've basically said it doesn't
really matter if women aren't paid more than men, because
we've got other budget priorities, like you know, like defense,
like guns and ships and boats and tanks. But don't
worry about women's paid. It's okay if they don't get
(03:35):
paid the same. And you know you're talking to people.
You know, I've got two daughters and a wife. You're
a woman. Imagine finding out your you know, your daughter's
getting paid less because she's a woman and a woman's profession.
I just think they have completely stuff as And then
to make it worse, David Seymour yet again has put
his footnote by coming out and saying, oh, we've saved
the government's budget by saving them billions of dollars, so
(03:56):
it's about the budget now, about money, and I think
David's more shivers if he's going to be a deputy
Prime minister.
Speaker 1 (04:03):
Well, isn't it better that he's telling the truth rather
than the others who are pretending that it's not the case.
Speaker 2 (04:08):
What is this the reason we're doing it? Are we
actually doing this because we want to save money so
we can spend another four billion dollars on defense?
Speaker 4 (04:15):
Yes?
Speaker 2 (04:16):
Wow, If that is the prize of the government, then
I think they've got and they've completely misjudged it.
Speaker 1 (04:21):
No, he So can I come out yet with this?
Speaker 3 (04:23):
Right?
Speaker 1 (04:23):
I don't think that what they've done is a bad thing.
I think that it's a good thing to do what
they're doing and redid the system which had got completely mad.
It's just the way that they've handled it and the
way they've communicated it and done it on a shifty way,
that's the problem. So it looks underhand, right, and they
haven't sold the story. Is that fair?
Speaker 2 (04:39):
Yeah, that's completely fair? Big. Well, the thing is here
that I don't know that's the case. And the reason
I say that is if I had a really if
I had a really sound understanding of why they were
doing this, then I might take that stance and go, yeah, okay,
I kind of.
Speaker 1 (04:53):
See that they haven't told you, haven't told you why.
Speaker 2 (04:55):
They haven't told me? Why they're doing this, what the
cost of this is, what the implications are, and how
we're actually going to ensure that that women employed in
industries that a woman dominated are actually going to be
paid a fair ways for a fair day's pay and
not undervalued compared to men.
Speaker 1 (05:12):
Say so what do you think?
Speaker 3 (05:14):
Oh, look, I think it's a bit of a disaster
if you really want to sort of ruin political chances
piss off hundreds of thousands of women, which is what
they've done. And I think, look, if there are good
reasons for it here that if they're saying, as the saying,
oh we're doing this for women, effort's collective laugh, then
you've got to come up with the goods and show
why it's happened. I think I think still it was right.
It was right on the money to come out with
(05:35):
something like this without a plan of how to sell
and explain to people why they've done it. It just
looks like we're happy to give tax cuts to you know,
our mates, we're happy to give tax cuts to landlords,
but the working women of New Zealand they're going to
pay for it.
Speaker 1 (05:47):
So once again the landlord tax, totally think totally tax
break fair thing to do badly communicated, which seems to
be a common theme with these guys. Now listen saying,
so oh, I'm getting a lot of texts defending cash
and taking your wages in cash. But let's be honest
about it and tell me what you think if someone
asks you to be paid in cash. There is no
not dodgy reason is there.
Speaker 3 (06:09):
It's Look, it used to be the old cashi jobs.
You didn't pay tax, you didn't pay gest all that
sort of thing. But cash is just now. I mean,
you know, my wife's a lawyer. There are anty money laundering.
Anyone spending more than ten thousand in cash, you've got
to explain where it came from, you know, because cash
is Do you wonder what you wonder what's going to
(06:29):
happen to the illegal drugs industry if they get rid
of case transactions.
Speaker 1 (06:34):
Don't you think if somebody says to you that they
want to be paid in cash, you know that it
up to no gurnet.
Speaker 2 (06:39):
Look, I was a Minister of Revenue and this is
a massive, big problem. There were people getting paid cash
and basically that was you know, that was the word
for we're going to do this illegally, and that this
is a whole lot of people. Look there, I doubt
there's anyone listening to your program tonight that doesn't have
a cell phone. If you get a cell phone, you
have the ability to pay anything. With today's rather antiquated technol.
(07:00):
You really don't need cash unless you're gonna do something dodgy,
or you've got it from doing something dodgy.
Speaker 3 (07:06):
The weird thing is I've had cash in my pocket
which sits there for almost for weeks.
Speaker 1 (07:10):
Yeah, it's only a well, I always assume that I've
got cash that's been sitting there for weeks, and I'm
always disappointed when I opened the wallet and I found
that I did, in fact spend it weeks ago.
Speaker 4 (07:20):
No, no, no, hold on it.
Speaker 1 (07:20):
Text to you, I think you I think you were
too you were too sweeping with that statement, because sometimes
it's a good thing to have cash to, for example,
pay the babysitter, right, or you know, you've got to
have a bit of cash for we.
Speaker 3 (07:33):
Pay text.
Speaker 2 (07:35):
Don't go down there and exactly, and it's very cool
bad if you want to talk about text and charities.
The thing is is that I'm like you. I mean,
I like to have a fifty dollars sitting around somewhere
just in case I need it. Yeah, and then I
go to find it when the kids need for some
sort of social and I find one of the other
kids has taken it. But but we're not talking about this, right,
We're talking about someone coming along and saying, hey, look,
(07:56):
I can build your fence. It's going to cost you
twelve hundred bucks, but if you pay me cash, I
can do it for a thousand. Now, I think in
this day and age that's acceptable, and all the honest
spills out there and the vast majority are will go shit.
Aus I'm paying text in this bigger, isn't I don't
think there's any reason to not have to pay care and.
Speaker 3 (08:12):
They're not doing it to avoid bank fees.
Speaker 1 (08:17):
Guys, thanks very much, appreciate. It's Stuart Nash, former Labor Minister,
Mark Sainsbury Broadcasting.
Speaker 4 (08:22):
For more from Heather Duplessy Allen Drive, listen live to
news talks.
Speaker 3 (08:26):
It'd be from four pm weekdays, or follow the podcast
on iHeartRadio.
On the huddle we have this evening. Stuart Nash, former
labor minister and Mark Sainsbury broadcaster highlights.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
Never how are you good good now?
Speaker 1 (00:09):
Says how do you feel about the heir all taking
photos of Mark Lundy today?
Speaker 2 (00:14):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (00:15):
You know, and some mas others don't care, you know.
I mean he's come out as he can't do media interviews,
so it's purely voyeuristic, isn't it.
Speaker 4 (00:24):
Yes, totally.
Speaker 3 (00:26):
But you know that's why we all complained about clickbait
and all this sort of stuff, and we all look
at it. Yeah, and I did have a look. This
is the thing. I looked at the photo, but at
the same time thinking, well, you know, it doesn't really
you know, he's out, he's done, he's done his time.
Speaker 1 (00:41):
Here's a question for you, saints. How closely did you
look at the photo?
Speaker 3 (00:46):
What do you mean how close?
Speaker 1 (00:47):
Well? How much time did you spend looking at Well?
Speaker 3 (00:49):
I did spend. I didn't spend an inordinate time.
Speaker 1 (00:51):
I spent a really long time, like I spent really Yeah.
Speaker 3 (00:55):
I concentrated on he was at half beard, which I
think should be been for anyone.
Speaker 1 (01:00):
That's why I was because I was like, have you
you have you just got that weird little goatee or no,
now it's going it's gone like a full armish beard
but without the mustache. And then I was like really
interrogating the color of his hoodie and and You're like,
what kind of style are your glasses? I'm fascinated by him,
are you not?
Speaker 2 (01:18):
Look?
Speaker 3 (01:18):
There is something fascinating about about that, that whole thing.
I mean, because it's it's yeah, the whole case and
and the way it's gone through. But you know it's
it's he can't speak to the media.
Speaker 1 (01:30):
That I want to talk to him.
Speaker 2 (01:33):
Don't you? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (01:34):
I look, you know, remember when I think it was
Steve Braunius was fighting in his corner at one stage
he found him at quite an interesting and curious person.
Speaker 1 (01:43):
So, yeah, who does Steve Brownie has not find interesting
and curious? What do you think, Stuart? Did you did
you look at it?
Speaker 2 (01:50):
Did you did you look Mark brought up a good point.
We sort of have this concept in New Zealand that
if you do the crime and you're convicted, you do
your time. And once you've done your time, society has
kind of said, you know, you paid your penance, get
on and live your life. I know, it doesn't matter
what you think of the guy, or the case or
(02:11):
what you've read. Just let the guy be. He's done
his time. If he wants to keep fighting for his innocence,
well then he himself is putting himself out there. The
terms of his parole are quite strict. Just let him go.
I mean, shit, we've got more important things to deal
with in this country than Mark bloody Lunda. Haven't we
like what I mean?
Speaker 1 (02:33):
I'm not disagreeing with you. I'm just wondering, what's the
top of your mind? You pay equity Jesus day, how
badly have they stuffed this up?
Speaker 2 (02:42):
Really really badly? You know, if you're going to do
something like this, you have got to have an outstandingly
good comms program and strategy.
Speaker 4 (02:51):
That, oh my gosh, do you hit Stu Hey, Stu,
mister Relibel still, Oh you know you are?
Speaker 1 (03:01):
You do it to me most of the time. It's
too as unusual to have done it. Right, Take a
break and we'll see if we can come back to him.
All right, you're back with the huddle. Stewart, Nash and
Mark Sainsbury. Now, Ste you were saying that you need
a good comms plan. If you're going to do something
like this pay equity thing.
Speaker 2 (03:14):
Yeah, you've got to have a great comm strategy because
this was always going to cause a little bit of trouble.
They've completely stuffed this up. You know, you're fifty percent
of the population of woman. You've basically said it doesn't
really matter if women aren't paid more than men, because
we've got other budget priorities, like you know, like defense,
like guns and ships and boats and tanks. But don't
worry about women's paid. It's okay if they don't get
(03:35):
paid the same. And you know you're talking to people.
You know, I've got two daughters and a wife. You're
a woman. Imagine finding out your you know, your daughter's
getting paid less because she's a woman and a woman's profession.
I just think they have completely stuff as And then
to make it worse, David Seymour yet again has put
his footnote by coming out and saying, oh, we've saved
the government's budget by saving them billions of dollars, so
(03:56):
it's about the budget now, about money, and I think
David's more shivers if he's going to be a deputy
Prime minister.
Speaker 1 (04:03):
Well, isn't it better that he's telling the truth rather
than the others who are pretending that it's not the case.
Speaker 2 (04:08):
What is this the reason we're doing it? Are we
actually doing this because we want to save money so
we can spend another four billion dollars on defense?
Speaker 4 (04:15):
Yes?
Speaker 2 (04:16):
Wow, If that is the prize of the government, then
I think they've got and they've completely misjudged it.
Speaker 1 (04:21):
No, he So can I come out yet with this?
Speaker 3 (04:23):
Right?
Speaker 1 (04:23):
I don't think that what they've done is a bad thing.
I think that it's a good thing to do what
they're doing and redid the system which had got completely mad.
It's just the way that they've handled it and the
way they've communicated it and done it on a shifty way,
that's the problem. So it looks underhand, right, and they
haven't sold the story. Is that fair?
Speaker 2 (04:39):
Yeah, that's completely fair? Big. Well, the thing is here
that I don't know that's the case. And the reason
I say that is if I had a really if
I had a really sound understanding of why they were
doing this, then I might take that stance and go, yeah, okay,
I kind of.
Speaker 1 (04:53):
See that they haven't told you, haven't told you why.
Speaker 2 (04:55):
They haven't told me? Why they're doing this, what the
cost of this is, what the implications are, and how
we're actually going to ensure that that women employed in
industries that a woman dominated are actually going to be
paid a fair ways for a fair day's pay and
not undervalued compared to men.
Speaker 1 (05:12):
Say so what do you think?
Speaker 3 (05:14):
Oh, look, I think it's a bit of a disaster
if you really want to sort of ruin political chances
piss off hundreds of thousands of women, which is what
they've done. And I think, look, if there are good
reasons for it here that if they're saying, as the saying,
oh we're doing this for women, effort's collective laugh, then
you've got to come up with the goods and show
why it's happened. I think I think still it was right.
It was right on the money to come out with
(05:35):
something like this without a plan of how to sell
and explain to people why they've done it. It just
looks like we're happy to give tax cuts to you know,
our mates, we're happy to give tax cuts to landlords,
but the working women of New Zealand they're going to
pay for it.
Speaker 1 (05:47):
So once again the landlord tax, totally think totally tax
break fair thing to do badly communicated, which seems to
be a common theme with these guys. Now listen saying,
so oh, I'm getting a lot of texts defending cash
and taking your wages in cash. But let's be honest
about it and tell me what you think if someone
asks you to be paid in cash. There is no
not dodgy reason is there.
Speaker 3 (06:09):
It's Look, it used to be the old cashi jobs.
You didn't pay tax, you didn't pay gest all that
sort of thing. But cash is just now. I mean,
you know, my wife's a lawyer. There are anty money laundering.
Anyone spending more than ten thousand in cash, you've got
to explain where it came from, you know, because cash
is Do you wonder what you wonder what's going to
(06:29):
happen to the illegal drugs industry if they get rid
of case transactions.
Speaker 1 (06:34):
Don't you think if somebody says to you that they
want to be paid in cash, you know that it
up to no gurnet.
Speaker 2 (06:39):
Look, I was a Minister of Revenue and this is
a massive, big problem. There were people getting paid cash
and basically that was you know, that was the word
for we're going to do this illegally, and that this
is a whole lot of people. Look there, I doubt
there's anyone listening to your program tonight that doesn't have
a cell phone. If you get a cell phone, you
have the ability to pay anything. With today's rather antiquated technol.
(07:00):
You really don't need cash unless you're gonna do something dodgy,
or you've got it from doing something dodgy.
Speaker 3 (07:06):
The weird thing is I've had cash in my pocket
which sits there for almost for weeks.
Speaker 1 (07:10):
Yeah, it's only a well, I always assume that I've
got cash that's been sitting there for weeks, and I'm
always disappointed when I opened the wallet and I found
that I did, in fact spend it weeks ago.
Speaker 4 (07:20):
No, no, no, hold on it.
Speaker 1 (07:20):
Text to you, I think you I think you were
too you were too sweeping with that statement, because sometimes
it's a good thing to have cash to, for example,
pay the babysitter, right, or you know, you've got to
have a bit of cash for we.
Speaker 3 (07:33):
Pay text.
Speaker 2 (07:35):
Don't go down there and exactly, and it's very cool
bad if you want to talk about text and charities.
The thing is is that I'm like you. I mean,
I like to have a fifty dollars sitting around somewhere
just in case I need it. Yeah, and then I
go to find it when the kids need for some
sort of social and I find one of the other
kids has taken it. But but we're not talking about this, right,
We're talking about someone coming along and saying, hey, look,
(07:56):
I can build your fence. It's going to cost you
twelve hundred bucks, but if you pay me cash, I
can do it for a thousand. Now, I think in
this day and age that's acceptable, and all the honest
spills out there and the vast majority are will go shit.
Aus I'm paying text in this bigger, isn't I don't
think there's any reason to not have to pay care and.
Speaker 3 (08:12):
They're not doing it to avoid bank fees.
Speaker 1 (08:17):
Guys, thanks very much, appreciate. It's Stuart Nash, former Labor Minister,
Mark Sainsbury Broadcasting.
Speaker 4 (08:22):
For more from Heather Duplessy Allen Drive, listen live to
news talks.
Speaker 3 (08:26):
It'd be from four pm weekdays, or follow the podcast
on iHeartRadio.
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