December 16, 2024 • 8 mins
Tonight on The Huddle, Trish Sherson from Sherson Willis PR and Child Fund CEO Josie Pagani joined in on a discussion about the following issues of the day - and more!
The police are facing some pushback after they took an organised cultural trip to China. Was this a bad move?
The Government has announced some changes to the Local Government Act to encourage them to get back to basics and cut down on pet projects and rate rises. Do we agree with these changes?
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
The Huddle with New Zealand Southerby's International Realty, local and
global exposure like no other.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
Tonight tri Shuston, Huston, Willis pr and Josie BEGANI Child
Fund CEO, Good Evening, Good Evening, barking up the wrong
tree there? What do you reckon through? I mean, you
can never be too careful, can you? When it comes
to China, you know, places like that, they have a
vested interest in finding out what's going on down here.
Speaker 3 (00:23):
Who knows what's in those French magnets.
Speaker 4 (00:26):
Well, I think I think it just highlights, doesn't it,
the sensitivity around China, and for any groups going on
trips like this, the the issues with perception that you
might get on the way back, because on the one hand,
I think, you know, Sam Hoyle explained it really well,
But then on the other I'm thinking, gosh, it's you know,
(00:48):
not many people on their own dime and time would
want to go on essentially a work trip encouraging cultural
competency on a sort of a strict four day itinery.
Speaker 2 (01:01):
So yeah, it seems odd, doesn't it, Because I wouldn't.
Speaker 3 (01:05):
Do that.
Speaker 4 (01:08):
Reflecting on my commitment to the business and its purpose do.
Speaker 2 (01:14):
See there's text coming and saying actually, chill out, Ryan.
You know these police officers that a lot of them
socialize together on their own time and dime all that regularly.
So what's to see here?
Speaker 3 (01:26):
Yeah, and I do think there's a bit of fainting
couch panic going on here. And let's be clear, China
is not the enemy of New Zealand. Every country spies.
I know there are issues around the way that China
functions in other countries and so on. But the thing
that confuses me though, is I can't work out whether
this was a totally personal trip with a bunch of
(01:48):
cops who like each other, you know, go to the
public with each other, going on a trip to China,
because it seems a bit weird. And you raise this
with Sam just now that the police liaison you know,
ethnic liaison person was organizing this trip. Because I think
it's perfectly valid for cops in New Zealand to go
(02:09):
to other countries to meet with other cops to you know,
influence and understand each other because we work not just
in Beijing and Hong Kong, but we also work in
the Pacific a lot. I mean, we have a lot
of our cops who go and work in different countries
in the Pacific, and there's a lot of Chinese cops
in those countries too, so understanding how China works, so
that makes sense to me. It's just that it also
(02:31):
sounds like, oh no, it was just a lovely tour
and everybody had a nice time, and really for four
days you all went to China and hung out together
because your mates. It's a little bit blue as to
whether it was personal.
Speaker 1 (02:45):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (02:45):
I used to live in Beijing and before I left,
a friend of mine who works for a defense he said, now,
just be careful, And I was like, what do you mean,
Just be careful because you never know when they might
you might be approached to trying, you know, to try
and it. And I was like, well, I've got those
state secrets.
Speaker 1 (03:01):
Used for aid.
Speaker 3 (03:05):
Ryan if they were going on a junket to Russia
and sort of you know, meeting up with Putin and
Lavrov and having a cup of tea with Basha allah Sad.
You know, I think we just have to be careful
here that China is not the enemy of New Zealand.
Whatever complicated relationship we have with China, we're not at
war with them. They're not the enemy, so you know,
maybe just take a chill pill everybody.
Speaker 2 (03:26):
In fact, they're the hand that feeds us. Josie, thank
you for that, and Trish will be back with the
huddle in just a second.
Speaker 1 (03:33):
The Huddle with New Zealand Southby's International Realty Elevate the
marketing of your home.
Speaker 2 (03:38):
Tris Shurson Huson will pr Josie Bagani, the Child Fund
the CEO on the huddle this evening. So many people
are texting in about the magnets that Scott from the
Chinese saying get rid of the French mags. Someone said,
what Ryan is going to interview the god the contempers well.
Speaker 3 (03:59):
Through a scanner.
Speaker 2 (04:00):
You never know.
Speaker 3 (04:01):
Yeah, it's a weird gift. It is a weird shitty
guest actually, but yeah, needless to say, it's a bit weird.
Speaker 2 (04:08):
Don't tell the Chinese that, all right. The government's having
another crack at the councils. They are looking at rate
pegging the rates of councils local councils next year. But
in the meantime they're saying basically stick to the base.
I mean, it's as mess as they've said before, Trish,
But still Wellington councils doing the Golden Mile and putting
lates up. So is the message getting through?
Speaker 4 (04:29):
Well, well, this is probably exactly why Simmy and Brown
in this package today. They are actually moving to legislate
for this stuff, so the councils will have no choice
but to listen. You know. I thought it was interesting
I heard this morning Hea they're actually talking about you know,
the pickers number one minister for the year, and she
(04:50):
came up with it was a race between Simon and Erica,
Simmy and Brown and Erica Stanford. Simeon then comes in
today with this which is in some senses what Erica
has done in education. Think about what she's doing there.
Everyone back to back to basics and do the basics brilliantly.
So it's the same kind of mantra applied. I thought
(05:11):
there was some really good stuff in this. First of all,
it's going to be really raining in councils and saying
you have to do what you are actually supposed to
be doing with rate payer money, i e. Fixing the roads,
making sure we've got water, making sure the rubbish is
taking away all of that great stuff. But the other
thing I really like in this is that every year
(05:35):
there will be a report produced, where as a rate
payer in Auckland, I can see oh, how many how
much rate? How much in rates am I paying compared
to someone on the same sized site in Wellington. And
you can also see whether your council is spending the
right money on you know, if they're taking out debt
and things like that. It will be great transparency around that.
(05:58):
I'm all about it and I love that it's going
to be out before the local government elections.
Speaker 2 (06:01):
Josie, Do people listen to the stuff? Will they go
up on the DIA website and read these comparisons between
the councils and is it going you know? And thereby
will we fix our problem with local government?
Speaker 3 (06:15):
No, no one will read it, but we will, Ryan,
and we'll all draw attention to it and try and
communicate it in layman's language. Look, I think there's one
thing here which is really good. We've had years of
you know, well being, frameworks, pillars. You know, the minute
I hear the word frameworks or a pellar us just
you feel like taking a sleeping pill and you know,
(06:36):
just going to bed. But we've had well being, we've
had circular economy, we've had donor economics. I mean, each
of those words means something on their own, but together
it's basically meaningless. And it's like we've been run by
people who speak English as a second language for too long.
So you know, that's good to get back to basics
and start talking about, you know, the pipes and the
(06:57):
potholes and basic council service, because this kind of everything
Bagel approach to policy, whether local or national, has you
end up with so many multiple targets. You know, you
try to build social housing, but you've got to put
solar panels on it, and you've got to create jobs,
and you've got to do it environmentally friendly and so
on and so on, and so you actually slow everything down.
(07:18):
The thing that worries me about this though, and I'm
supportive of the back to basics, but I think you
also need counsels, and I support it kind of devolving
more to local councils. If they're doing the job well,
then I want them to look at doing social housing.
I want local communities to work out where to put
the houses, how to deal with problem issues in that community.
(07:40):
They know where the problem families are, they know where
the issues in that community are so you know, I
do think we want to devolve stuff that local people
are better at fixing. Two local councils, two EUIs whatever.
I also think in the case of Wellington, my god,
we need we need some vision around economic development in Wellington.
And that's not really about to basics thing that it's
(08:01):
something absolutely critical.
Speaker 2 (08:03):
If they could spell it economic for a start, I
think we'd be getting somewhere. We have to leave it there. Guys,
everybody gets a fridge magnet for a coming tonight. Thank you, wonderful,
Thank you, someone says, Chris says, counsels already pegging rate payers.
Thank you, Chris, Thank you, Josep mcganney, Thank you, Tris Huson.
Speaker 1 (08:23):
For more from Hither Duplessy Allen Drive, listen live to
news talks it'd be from four pm weekdays, or follow
the podcast on iHeartRadio
The Huddle with New Zealand Southerby's International Realty, local and
global exposure like no other.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
Tonight tri Shuston, Huston, Willis pr and Josie BEGANI Child
Fund CEO, Good Evening, Good Evening, barking up the wrong
tree there? What do you reckon through? I mean, you
can never be too careful, can you? When it comes
to China, you know, places like that, they have a
vested interest in finding out what's going on down here.
Speaker 3 (00:23):
Who knows what's in those French magnets.
Speaker 4 (00:26):
Well, I think I think it just highlights, doesn't it,
the sensitivity around China, and for any groups going on
trips like this, the the issues with perception that you
might get on the way back, because on the one hand,
I think, you know, Sam Hoyle explained it really well,
But then on the other I'm thinking, gosh, it's you know,
(00:48):
not many people on their own dime and time would
want to go on essentially a work trip encouraging cultural
competency on a sort of a strict four day itinery.
Speaker 2 (01:01):
So yeah, it seems odd, doesn't it, Because I wouldn't.
Speaker 3 (01:05):
Do that.
Speaker 4 (01:08):
Reflecting on my commitment to the business and its purpose do.
Speaker 2 (01:14):
See there's text coming and saying actually, chill out, Ryan.
You know these police officers that a lot of them
socialize together on their own time and dime all that regularly.
So what's to see here?
Speaker 3 (01:26):
Yeah, and I do think there's a bit of fainting
couch panic going on here. And let's be clear, China
is not the enemy of New Zealand. Every country spies.
I know there are issues around the way that China
functions in other countries and so on. But the thing
that confuses me though, is I can't work out whether
this was a totally personal trip with a bunch of
(01:48):
cops who like each other, you know, go to the
public with each other, going on a trip to China,
because it seems a bit weird. And you raise this
with Sam just now that the police liaison you know,
ethnic liaison person was organizing this trip. Because I think
it's perfectly valid for cops in New Zealand to go
(02:09):
to other countries to meet with other cops to you know,
influence and understand each other because we work not just
in Beijing and Hong Kong, but we also work in
the Pacific a lot. I mean, we have a lot
of our cops who go and work in different countries
in the Pacific, and there's a lot of Chinese cops
in those countries too, so understanding how China works, so
that makes sense to me. It's just that it also
(02:31):
sounds like, oh no, it was just a lovely tour
and everybody had a nice time, and really for four
days you all went to China and hung out together
because your mates. It's a little bit blue as to
whether it was personal.
Speaker 1 (02:45):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (02:45):
I used to live in Beijing and before I left,
a friend of mine who works for a defense he said, now,
just be careful, And I was like, what do you mean,
Just be careful because you never know when they might
you might be approached to trying, you know, to try
and it. And I was like, well, I've got those
state secrets.
Speaker 1 (03:01):
Used for aid.
Speaker 3 (03:05):
Ryan if they were going on a junket to Russia
and sort of you know, meeting up with Putin and
Lavrov and having a cup of tea with Basha allah Sad.
You know, I think we just have to be careful
here that China is not the enemy of New Zealand.
Whatever complicated relationship we have with China, we're not at
war with them. They're not the enemy, so you know,
maybe just take a chill pill everybody.
Speaker 2 (03:26):
In fact, they're the hand that feeds us. Josie, thank
you for that, and Trish will be back with the
huddle in just a second.
Speaker 1 (03:33):
The Huddle with New Zealand Southby's International Realty Elevate the
marketing of your home.
Speaker 2 (03:38):
Tris Shurson Huson will pr Josie Bagani, the Child Fund
the CEO on the huddle this evening. So many people
are texting in about the magnets that Scott from the
Chinese saying get rid of the French mags. Someone said,
what Ryan is going to interview the god the contempers well.
Speaker 3 (03:59):
Through a scanner.
Speaker 2 (04:00):
You never know.
Speaker 3 (04:01):
Yeah, it's a weird gift. It is a weird shitty
guest actually, but yeah, needless to say, it's a bit weird.
Speaker 2 (04:08):
Don't tell the Chinese that, all right. The government's having
another crack at the councils. They are looking at rate
pegging the rates of councils local councils next year. But
in the meantime they're saying basically stick to the base.
I mean, it's as mess as they've said before, Trish,
But still Wellington councils doing the Golden Mile and putting
lates up. So is the message getting through?
Speaker 4 (04:29):
Well, well, this is probably exactly why Simmy and Brown
in this package today. They are actually moving to legislate
for this stuff, so the councils will have no choice
but to listen. You know. I thought it was interesting
I heard this morning Hea they're actually talking about you know,
the pickers number one minister for the year, and she
(04:50):
came up with it was a race between Simon and Erica,
Simmy and Brown and Erica Stanford. Simeon then comes in
today with this which is in some senses what Erica
has done in education. Think about what she's doing there.
Everyone back to back to basics and do the basics brilliantly.
So it's the same kind of mantra applied. I thought
(05:11):
there was some really good stuff in this. First of all,
it's going to be really raining in councils and saying
you have to do what you are actually supposed to
be doing with rate payer money, i e. Fixing the roads,
making sure we've got water, making sure the rubbish is
taking away all of that great stuff. But the other
thing I really like in this is that every year
(05:35):
there will be a report produced, where as a rate
payer in Auckland, I can see oh, how many how
much rate? How much in rates am I paying compared
to someone on the same sized site in Wellington. And
you can also see whether your council is spending the
right money on you know, if they're taking out debt
and things like that. It will be great transparency around that.
(05:58):
I'm all about it and I love that it's going
to be out before the local government elections.
Speaker 2 (06:01):
Josie, Do people listen to the stuff? Will they go
up on the DIA website and read these comparisons between
the councils and is it going you know? And thereby
will we fix our problem with local government?
Speaker 3 (06:15):
No, no one will read it, but we will, Ryan,
and we'll all draw attention to it and try and
communicate it in layman's language. Look, I think there's one
thing here which is really good. We've had years of
you know, well being, frameworks, pillars. You know, the minute
I hear the word frameworks or a pellar us just
you feel like taking a sleeping pill and you know,
(06:36):
just going to bed. But we've had well being, we've
had circular economy, we've had donor economics. I mean, each
of those words means something on their own, but together
it's basically meaningless. And it's like we've been run by
people who speak English as a second language for too long.
So you know, that's good to get back to basics
and start talking about, you know, the pipes and the
(06:57):
potholes and basic council service, because this kind of everything
Bagel approach to policy, whether local or national, has you
end up with so many multiple targets. You know, you
try to build social housing, but you've got to put
solar panels on it, and you've got to create jobs,
and you've got to do it environmentally friendly and so
on and so on, and so you actually slow everything down.
(07:18):
The thing that worries me about this though, and I'm
supportive of the back to basics, but I think you
also need counsels, and I support it kind of devolving
more to local councils. If they're doing the job well,
then I want them to look at doing social housing.
I want local communities to work out where to put
the houses, how to deal with problem issues in that community.
(07:40):
They know where the problem families are, they know where
the issues in that community are so you know, I
do think we want to devolve stuff that local people
are better at fixing. Two local councils, two EUIs whatever.
I also think in the case of Wellington, my god,
we need we need some vision around economic development in Wellington.
And that's not really about to basics thing that it's
(08:01):
something absolutely critical.
Speaker 2 (08:03):
If they could spell it economic for a start, I
think we'd be getting somewhere. We have to leave it there. Guys,
everybody gets a fridge magnet for a coming tonight. Thank you, wonderful,
Thank you, someone says, Chris says, counsels already pegging rate payers.
Thank you, Chris, Thank you, Josep mcganney, Thank you, Tris Huson.
Speaker 1 (08:23):
For more from Hither Duplessy Allen Drive, listen live to
news talks it'd be from four pm weekdays, or follow
the podcast on iHeartRadio
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