March 26, 2025 • 8 mins
Tonight on The Huddle, Jack Tame from ZB's Saturday Mornings and Jordan Williams from the Taxpayers' Union joined in on a discussion about the following issues of the day - and more!
World Athletics will introduce DNA tests for female track and field athletes to prove their sex. What do we make of that? Should the Olympics follow suit?
Tauranga Council's coffee bill is sparking criticism - is it outrageous to have a nice coffee machine in the workplace?
Green MP Tamatha Paul is under fire over her criticisms of police - what do we think of this? Were her comments out of line?
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
The Huddle with New Zealand Southeby's International Realty Find You're
one of the kind. I'm the Huddle tonight. Jack Tame,
host of Saturday mornings on News Talks, B and Q
and A on TV one. Hey Jack, Hey Ryan, good
to have you on. And Jordan Williams is here from
the Taxpayers Union. Hey Jordan, the right move Jack by
our World Athletics. What do you think?
Speaker 2 (00:22):
I think they and many other sporting bodies simply feel
like things have got to a point where they have
to draw a line in the sand. And the problem is,
in some respect it is a very very difficult line
to draw because inevitably they're going to be people you
upset and given participation is one of the kind of
foundations of most sports, are they're going to be people
(00:44):
who feel as though they are being excluded from it.
I think for the most part, you know a lot
of people are going to support World Athletics for this.
And there's the transgender issue which Dave referring to, which
I suppose is the difference between gender and sex and
the way that he's scribe people are affirming their their gender.
I think one of the big questions with World Athletics
(01:05):
is is the place for people who have DSD. I
think they call it like differences in sexual development. So
even though we think of sex as being binary males
and females, obviously there are some people who have things
like additional zones. So they still might genetically be a
woman or genetic man, but they might have certain physical
(01:28):
advantages that other people who are sex as they have.
And of work exposition is that not only will this
ruling mean that people who are perhaps transgender and identify
as the different gender to their sex, not only will
they not be able to compete in their in their
chosen necessarily when the gender they identify with necessarily, but
(01:52):
also people who have those naturally occurring differences might also
be isolated. And like I say, you've got you've got
to draw a line somewhere. I can imagine that that's
a group of people who feel pretty aggrieved at this
because when you think about it, you know, sorry, just
one last point, like when you think about it, like Michael,
the reason he's won so many gold medals, one of
the reasons he's won is because he has these kind
(02:12):
of naturally occurring physical qualities that distinguish him from other swimmers.
I mean you look at his the length of his arms,
for example, and his feet. I mean he's completely different
physiologically to so many of his so many of his competitors.
And I supposing that even some people who have those
naturally occurring differences, they're also going to be unable to compete,
(02:35):
you know, in the sticks that they were assigned to.
Speaker 1 (02:39):
In other words, what about the hermaphrodites. I mean, that's
essentially Jordan where we're going here.
Speaker 3 (02:47):
It's have much to say. I think that that Dave
from A from A if you'd listen to Radio New Zealand,
would have sounded quite radical. But based on the text
messages I can see coming into this station seemed quite mainstream.
And what what more could I add to what Jack
(03:08):
and Dave have said? You don't want to touch this
or that I've got Apparently fighting for lower taxes attracts
lots of enemies, apparently for the difference between men and women.
Speaker 1 (03:19):
Also, I mean I've picked one fair enough, fair enough,
we can move on from this topic. We don't all
have to pick aside. I think I think you've got
to be you've got to have a fair competition for
women for biological women, but you can also have another
Why can't they have another category?
Speaker 3 (03:37):
You know what I mean? Like I saw you bite
your tongue when he said, you know, you only need
to be tested once in your life, and all the
listeners were biting it by the thinking is he going
to ask? But what if they changed the gender?
Speaker 1 (03:48):
Well, and that's the thing though, isn't it? But you
did it? It was okay, I think, David.
Speaker 3 (03:55):
Most of which you couldn't read out with New Zealand
so international realty, the ones with local and global reash.
Speaker 1 (04:03):
Jack Tame and Jordan Williams on the huddle. Let's talk
about something you can talk about Jordan's soon as you
have whimped out of the last one. Toto on a
city council in this coffee bill, so four hundred and
seventy thousand dollars will get you four coffee machines and
beans for five years.
Speaker 3 (04:19):
Just outrageous. This is a council that says, oh, we've
got no money, we're going to put up rates by
twelve percent. We need to revitalize the CBDMA boy, oh boy,
We're not going to send our staff outside for you know,
to go to a cafe. We just need to get
a grup. This is a story of the textpaces you've
been sitting on. We've had this for about three weeks.
(04:41):
The council had to respond within the next week about
more details. We found the tender online and what do
you know, they give it to some friendly media and
stuff to try to spin it. I am sorry, Mahi Drysdale.
You should be on here explaining to tarring a rate
part facing a twelve percent height and rates. How on
(05:03):
earth you justify half a million dollars for three four
coffee machines? You heard of espresso. There are a couple
of hundred bucks also of coffee capsules, they're a dollar each.
You're spending half a million dollars on four coffee machines.
Speaker 1 (05:19):
And presumably they will also have on top of that
Jack tea like they do here, and tea bags, you know,
instant coffee and Milo you know what I mean, Like,
it's not just this. I'm assuming that's milk and the fridge.
Speaker 2 (05:32):
Yeah, well, careful, Ryan, you know that I think some
of the shareholders a bit but unhappy with things at
the moment, So you don't want to give out too
much corporate detail at the moment. But no, look, I
just think what a missed opportunity. I mean, like, you're
coming out of a period where commissioners have been running
the city because the council was so dysfunctional. One of
the absolute top of the list most critical roles I
(05:52):
think for the new council and indeed for the new
mayor is to win the trust of the public, To
show the public that actually they're worthy of the votes,
that they don't need commissioners, that you have functioning leadership
at the head of your counsel, and to come out
and say, yes, we know our cities facing all sorts
of pressures at the moment. This is one relatively small
but a sacrifice none the less that we are willing
(06:13):
to make in order to make sure we're getting the
very best value for totyng a's ratepayers. I would have
thought would be a really easy victory and people are
going to look at that baseline number half a million
bucks over the next few years and recoil.
Speaker 3 (06:25):
Yeah, And it's just it's utter arrogance from the sector.
You know, we've got local government New Zealand currently doing
a pr campaign that's encouraging Simon Watts, the new Minister
of Local Government to walk back on the on the
Prime Minister's commitments around rates caps, and they say, you know,
(06:45):
trust us, trust us. You know there's no money, there's
no money. And then you see stories like this and worse,
the hypocrites like Marhi Drysdale who say they believe in
user pays except when it applies to them, apparently refuse
to front. I just think that it's this is exactly
why the government needs to hold firm on these rates
(07:07):
caps and get local government back under control.
Speaker 1 (07:10):
We have one minute, Jack, I really want to quickly
get to TAMOTHA. Paul. Is she wrong in her criticisms
of police and those on the beat?
Speaker 2 (07:17):
Yes, yes, yes, of course she is a classic example
of politics in the bubble right. Like Tammoth Paul speaking
to her die hard supporters, I bet they lapped up
every word. They would have absolutely loved it. But for
all of those voters out there who might one day
be considering voting for the Greens, they'll hear those comments
and go, you know what, these are totally devoid from reality.
Maybe for a tiny sliver of people they feel nervous
(07:40):
seeing police on the beat. But I think for the
vast majority of New Zealand, more police, more visible, makes
them feel more safe.
Speaker 1 (07:47):
And the evidence for an evidence based party, they didn't
look very hard for the evidence because they would have
found that there was a five and a half percent
drop in the place and Wellington where the beats were happening.
Speaker 3 (07:57):
Jordan, Yeah, I mean these are not serious people. Are
they to suggest that police make people feel less safe? Look,
as we talked about a few weeks ago, the thing
that does make you feel less safe in Wellington, it's
apparently Green and Peas who go around abusing.
Speaker 1 (08:10):
People, you know what I mean?
Speaker 3 (08:11):
That's or another one who does feel unsafe around the
police because she's getting arrested. I'm sorry for former Green Empea.
This is not serious people.
Speaker 1 (08:20):
Jack Tame Jordan Williams on the Haddle. Thanks guys for
more from Hither Duplessy Allen Drive.
Speaker 3 (08:25):
Listen live to news talks it'd be from four pm weekdays,
or follow the podcast on iHeartRadio.
The Huddle with New Zealand Southeby's International Realty Find You're
one of the kind. I'm the Huddle tonight. Jack Tame,
host of Saturday mornings on News Talks, B and Q
and A on TV one. Hey Jack, Hey Ryan, good
to have you on. And Jordan Williams is here from
the Taxpayers Union. Hey Jordan, the right move Jack by
our World Athletics. What do you think?
Speaker 2 (00:22):
I think they and many other sporting bodies simply feel
like things have got to a point where they have
to draw a line in the sand. And the problem is,
in some respect it is a very very difficult line
to draw because inevitably they're going to be people you
upset and given participation is one of the kind of
foundations of most sports, are they're going to be people
(00:44):
who feel as though they are being excluded from it.
I think for the most part, you know a lot
of people are going to support World Athletics for this.
And there's the transgender issue which Dave referring to, which
I suppose is the difference between gender and sex and
the way that he's scribe people are affirming their their gender.
I think one of the big questions with World Athletics
(01:05):
is is the place for people who have DSD. I
think they call it like differences in sexual development. So
even though we think of sex as being binary males
and females, obviously there are some people who have things
like additional zones. So they still might genetically be a
woman or genetic man, but they might have certain physical
(01:28):
advantages that other people who are sex as they have.
And of work exposition is that not only will this
ruling mean that people who are perhaps transgender and identify
as the different gender to their sex, not only will
they not be able to compete in their in their
chosen necessarily when the gender they identify with necessarily, but
(01:52):
also people who have those naturally occurring differences might also
be isolated. And like I say, you've got you've got
to draw a line somewhere. I can imagine that that's
a group of people who feel pretty aggrieved at this
because when you think about it, you know, sorry, just
one last point, like when you think about it, like Michael,
the reason he's won so many gold medals, one of
the reasons he's won is because he has these kind
(02:12):
of naturally occurring physical qualities that distinguish him from other swimmers.
I mean you look at his the length of his arms,
for example, and his feet. I mean he's completely different
physiologically to so many of his so many of his competitors.
And I supposing that even some people who have those
naturally occurring differences, they're also going to be unable to compete,
(02:35):
you know, in the sticks that they were assigned to.
Speaker 1 (02:39):
In other words, what about the hermaphrodites. I mean, that's
essentially Jordan where we're going here.
Speaker 3 (02:47):
It's have much to say. I think that that Dave
from A from A if you'd listen to Radio New Zealand,
would have sounded quite radical. But based on the text
messages I can see coming into this station seemed quite mainstream.
And what what more could I add to what Jack
(03:08):
and Dave have said? You don't want to touch this
or that I've got Apparently fighting for lower taxes attracts
lots of enemies, apparently for the difference between men and women.
Speaker 1 (03:19):
Also, I mean I've picked one fair enough, fair enough,
we can move on from this topic. We don't all
have to pick aside. I think I think you've got
to be you've got to have a fair competition for
women for biological women, but you can also have another
Why can't they have another category?
Speaker 3 (03:37):
You know what I mean? Like I saw you bite
your tongue when he said, you know, you only need
to be tested once in your life, and all the
listeners were biting it by the thinking is he going
to ask? But what if they changed the gender?
Speaker 1 (03:48):
Well, and that's the thing though, isn't it? But you
did it? It was okay, I think, David.
Speaker 3 (03:55):
Most of which you couldn't read out with New Zealand
so international realty, the ones with local and global reash.
Speaker 1 (04:03):
Jack Tame and Jordan Williams on the huddle. Let's talk
about something you can talk about Jordan's soon as you
have whimped out of the last one. Toto on a
city council in this coffee bill, so four hundred and
seventy thousand dollars will get you four coffee machines and
beans for five years.
Speaker 3 (04:19):
Just outrageous. This is a council that says, oh, we've
got no money, we're going to put up rates by
twelve percent. We need to revitalize the CBDMA boy, oh boy,
We're not going to send our staff outside for you know,
to go to a cafe. We just need to get
a grup. This is a story of the textpaces you've
been sitting on. We've had this for about three weeks.
(04:41):
The council had to respond within the next week about
more details. We found the tender online and what do
you know, they give it to some friendly media and
stuff to try to spin it. I am sorry, Mahi Drysdale.
You should be on here explaining to tarring a rate
part facing a twelve percent height and rates. How on
(05:03):
earth you justify half a million dollars for three four
coffee machines? You heard of espresso. There are a couple
of hundred bucks also of coffee capsules, they're a dollar each.
You're spending half a million dollars on four coffee machines.
Speaker 1 (05:19):
And presumably they will also have on top of that
Jack tea like they do here, and tea bags, you know,
instant coffee and Milo you know what I mean, Like,
it's not just this. I'm assuming that's milk and the fridge.
Speaker 2 (05:32):
Yeah, well, careful, Ryan, you know that I think some
of the shareholders a bit but unhappy with things at
the moment, So you don't want to give out too
much corporate detail at the moment. But no, look, I
just think what a missed opportunity. I mean, like, you're
coming out of a period where commissioners have been running
the city because the council was so dysfunctional. One of
the absolute top of the list most critical roles I
(05:52):
think for the new council and indeed for the new
mayor is to win the trust of the public, To
show the public that actually they're worthy of the votes,
that they don't need commissioners, that you have functioning leadership
at the head of your counsel, and to come out
and say, yes, we know our cities facing all sorts
of pressures at the moment. This is one relatively small
but a sacrifice none the less that we are willing
(06:13):
to make in order to make sure we're getting the
very best value for totyng a's ratepayers. I would have
thought would be a really easy victory and people are
going to look at that baseline number half a million
bucks over the next few years and recoil.
Speaker 3 (06:25):
Yeah, And it's just it's utter arrogance from the sector.
You know, we've got local government New Zealand currently doing
a pr campaign that's encouraging Simon Watts, the new Minister
of Local Government to walk back on the on the
Prime Minister's commitments around rates caps, and they say, you know,
(06:45):
trust us, trust us. You know there's no money, there's
no money. And then you see stories like this and worse,
the hypocrites like Marhi Drysdale who say they believe in
user pays except when it applies to them, apparently refuse
to front. I just think that it's this is exactly
why the government needs to hold firm on these rates
(07:07):
caps and get local government back under control.
Speaker 1 (07:10):
We have one minute, Jack, I really want to quickly
get to TAMOTHA. Paul. Is she wrong in her criticisms
of police and those on the beat?
Speaker 2 (07:17):
Yes, yes, yes, of course she is a classic example
of politics in the bubble right. Like Tammoth Paul speaking
to her die hard supporters, I bet they lapped up
every word. They would have absolutely loved it. But for
all of those voters out there who might one day
be considering voting for the Greens, they'll hear those comments
and go, you know what, these are totally devoid from reality.
Maybe for a tiny sliver of people they feel nervous
(07:40):
seeing police on the beat. But I think for the
vast majority of New Zealand, more police, more visible, makes
them feel more safe.
Speaker 1 (07:47):
And the evidence for an evidence based party, they didn't
look very hard for the evidence because they would have
found that there was a five and a half percent
drop in the place and Wellington where the beats were happening.
Speaker 3 (07:57):
Jordan, Yeah, I mean these are not serious people. Are
they to suggest that police make people feel less safe? Look,
as we talked about a few weeks ago, the thing
that does make you feel less safe in Wellington, it's
apparently Green and Peas who go around abusing.
Speaker 1 (08:10):
People, you know what I mean?
Speaker 3 (08:11):
That's or another one who does feel unsafe around the
police because she's getting arrested. I'm sorry for former Green Empea.
This is not serious people.
Speaker 1 (08:20):
Jack Tame Jordan Williams on the Haddle. Thanks guys for
more from Hither Duplessy Allen Drive.
Speaker 3 (08:25):
Listen live to news talks it'd be from four pm weekdays,
or follow the podcast on iHeartRadio.
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