November 25, 2024 • 10 mins
Tonight on The Huddle, David Farrar of Kiwiblog and Curia and Child Fund's Josie Pagani joined in on a discussion about the following issues of the day - and more!
TJ Perenara raised a few eyebrows following his controversial haka at last week's All Blacks match. Was this appropriate to do before the game?
It's been a full year since the new Government was sworn in. What do we think so far? What have been their biggest wins - and losses?
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
The huddle with New Zealand Southeby's international realty, local and
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Speaker 2 (00:06):
Just to reminder, Nikola Willis the Finance ministers with us.
After six o'clock we're going to ask her how much
money we're putting into as a rich country into the
poor countries to help them deal with the climate with us.
Right now on the huddle, we've got David Farreh of
Kiwi Blog and also Joseph BEGANI of child Fun. Now
you guys, hello, Josie, how do you feel about the hucker.
Speaker 3 (00:24):
Well, look, he says he did it for good intentions.
I'm sure he did. He's motivated by showing some unity
as a nation. But the problem is, I think that's
a bit naive. I mean, you imagine you're waiving the
mun and we're to hockey flag. You imagine if it
had been I don't know, the Palestinian flag or something,
and you're trying to say, oh, I'm just doing it
for healing and peace, and I just calling for peace,
(00:45):
it would be seen politically agree Yeah. Oh sorry, I
thought i'd just been cut off then, But yeah, so
I think it's naive. And secondly, I think that you know,
if you're going in principle, if you're going to say
you can use the hucker for you know, showing solidarity
for the hikoy, you actually have to follow the principle
through and agree that you have to be happy to
(01:07):
use the huker for something that you don't agree with.
So you imagine I don't know if Israel Falow or
something who had very controversial views around same sex relationships,
but he managed to get you know, his all Blacks
team on side and the all Blacks and so on.
If that had happened, we'd be outraged, right, I mean,
I think the principle you're going to use the huker politically,
(01:27):
you have to be prepared for it to be used
for something that you don't always agree with. And that's
where the problem is.
Speaker 2 (01:32):
Yeah, what do you reckon?
Speaker 4 (01:33):
David on a personal live Of course, any sportsperson can
make any political statement they want, right, there's there, right absolutely,
But it's really stupid because what it doesn't unify When
you decide to use your walking position to make political stance,
half the country probably doesn't agree with you.
Speaker 5 (01:54):
And you do it enough. And this has happened in
America with the NFL, etc.
Speaker 4 (02:00):
You all start switching off because it's hard to get
enthusiastic about your favorite players and teams if you think
they dramatically disagree with me and don't respect what I think.
And that's one of its best for them not to
do the polity every right to.
Speaker 5 (02:17):
But there are consequences.
Speaker 2 (02:18):
I agree with that, Jose.
Speaker 3 (02:20):
I do think. I do think though, that people who
are all sort of canceling their Sky subscriptions and so on,
that you know, we'll all smell the selling smelling salts
and we'll all get over it, because it's not actually
the biggest problem that faces the country right now. There's
a whole bunch of other problems, and I just think
we're pissed off about it, or people are pissed off
about it because you know, as you said, David, that
half the country don't agree with this, so they're going, oh,
(02:43):
you know, we don't like you making a political statement.
And again that's what I'm saying is that if you
if you agree with it for those who think it
was a brave thing for him to do and they
agree with his politics, you have to be prepared to
agree with someone who does it for something you don't
agree with you, And I don't think that's where the
problem is.
Speaker 2 (03:00):
David, I tell you what I was thinking. The thing
is you say like half the country disagrees, is actually
at the last polling that you did, was the last
polling that we've got, it's actually something more like two
thirds of people who actually had an opinion would have
been in support of the general idea of the Treaty
Principles referendum versus one third who wasn't. But why I'm
(03:21):
telling you this is because I want to know where's
the next lot of polling. Are you guys not polling
on this anymore?
Speaker 4 (03:27):
Well, look, we have a monthly poll that was We
did a poll last October on it. We did another
one in October. Once the government announce new principles, and
seeing they've now had slightly different principles in the bill
they introduce, it is our intention to have a poll
in a December on the boss and it'd be very
(03:49):
interesting to see what comes up because any changes may
reflect the slightly different wording, or it may reflect that
people agree with the opponents, or it might reflect that
the opponents have turned them off.
Speaker 5 (04:01):
So what's for mid December for the latest polling.
Speaker 3 (04:05):
We know what though, David, I reckon that people aren't
even reading the David Seymour Act, Treaty Principals Bill, et cetera,
et cetera, because the whole thing has just been pitched
now is that you're either for Mary or anti Marty.
And whether you've read the Principal Treaty Principal Bill or not,
or whatever you think about it, I don't think any
changing in the wording will change anything. It's now been
(04:27):
very successfully framed as pro or anti Mary.
Speaker 5 (04:31):
They're very right, Josie.
Speaker 4 (04:33):
But when we pull on it we actually read the
proposed principles out and you're right too that if you
guys't asked about the bill generally you can get a
different response to these are the proposed principles.
Speaker 5 (04:46):
Do you agree or disagree on them?
Speaker 4 (04:47):
And give me a wee bit away here in the
December poll we're actually going to ask break them down
to the three separate proposed principles to see if we
can find where is there more aggres emant and disagreement
I so speak. We're going to find that very few
people disagree with the first and third Principles, which is
about the government can government quality, and it will be
(05:09):
the second one. Hopefully that will help the public discussion
because if we can actually say we don't all disagree
on everything, it's actually just the wording of one of
the principles, that could be a good thing. But who
knows what the results are, right.
Speaker 2 (05:21):
I'm going to be absolutely fascinated, Thank you, David. But
now I've got something to look forward to, apart from
obviously Christmas. Like everybody else, the.
Speaker 1 (05:29):
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Speaker 2 (05:34):
Back with the heart of David Phara Joe Spaghani, David,
what do you reckon? How's the government going?
Speaker 3 (05:38):
One year in?
Speaker 5 (05:40):
Pretty good?
Speaker 4 (05:40):
Actually, I locked around the world and you've had all
these governments like you. Look in the UK came in
with a massive lead and twelve months on they're vacually
like you. Keir Starmer is underwater in his ratings and
I think what you see here is it's just been solid.
They're not more popular, not particularly less popular when they
(06:01):
came and LUXNS kept around in a bridge of a
plus three percent approval rating, etcetera.
Speaker 5 (06:07):
And sure you can look at.
Speaker 4 (06:08):
The John Kia and say, oh, he doesn't compare that,
but you look at Australia, Canada, UK, America, et cetera,
and things are pretty good. I think the biggest achievement,
and this will send a bit funny, is making Erica
stand for the education Minister. I think what she is
doing the so quickly and with such determination is so important.
Speaker 5 (06:31):
And is by far got the most positive payoff for
as well.
Speaker 4 (06:41):
Aren't we all looks like battle melting her house? Who
you wouldn't be surprised they whispered there under their breath,
but I was honestly surprised it was Erica.
Speaker 5 (06:53):
It does shows you human like all.
Speaker 2 (06:55):
Do you know what after she called after she called
Jen a stupid b ward? When I started hearing about
all the other stuff that Erica says and all the
pot he is not even that bad out of Erica's mouth,
and it totally surprised me. Did you know that she's
swore like this, Jose?
Speaker 3 (07:09):
No, I didn't, And and I kind of like that
in a person. I mean, obviously not on air news
tok z B drivetime, but yes, it makes a human.
But look when I look at the government. Now you know, yes,
they're not in trouble like Kirstarmer's government in terms of popularity.
I think they do have a vision. I think the
biggest failure, which is going to get bigger and bigger
(07:30):
for them is their inability to explain it. And if
you take it to me, then well yeah, so it's
not my job to explain it. But what I think
it is, Heather is is basically we were elected, as
as Jacinda Ardun was elected on a kind of wish
for a government to do something about child poverty, about inequality.
(07:50):
There was a real sense of transformation was needed. They
were elected on a promise of change the economy, get
the economy working again, and so on and competent man.
And I think this what the problem is. They haven't
really been able to explain an exciting vision. It gets
people going, Okay, I get it. So if you take
the he Corey as an example, that was a moment
(08:12):
where any leader needs to step up and stand up
in front of people and go The reason I have
let this treaty principal bill through is because I believe
in a democratic debate. I don't agree with the bill.
So he kind of said it, but he said it.
He says it in a sort of managerial way. And
I think that's the problem for them, is that they're
doing incremental change. And you mentioned Erica Stanford. You're right, David,
(08:36):
She's come in with a good plan for getting you know,
an hour of maths, you know, compulsory maths and so on,
but it's not going to be enough to do something
where I think it's like with health, you need massive transformation.
You cannot solve that long tail and education with just
one hour of maths a week or whatever. So that
I think they're failing to really communicate an exciting vision
(08:58):
and get people feeling really bad passionate about it.
Speaker 2 (09:01):
I felt on David a little bit sorry for David
seymore to hear that Luxeon and Amanda and Winnipe and
jan are going on double dates together over dinner and
David's been left out.
Speaker 4 (09:12):
Maybe it's actually I think he does have a partner,
does yeah, yeah, but sometimes you need to spend more
time on what can be the more challenging relationship. I
don't mean on all accounts has actually been a stunly
good coalition partner, but there is more history with Winston
like Winston you did have the big divorce with the
(09:35):
national government there, come.
Speaker 2 (09:36):
On fun to have dinner with because he hits the
whiskey exactly.
Speaker 3 (09:42):
I was just going to say that it's about who's
more fun to have dinner with, although I'm sure David
is you know, God has got anecdotes and can sort
of amuse it dinner party. But yeah, I think it's
to do with a personal connection perhaps between Winston Peters
and Luxelon. And it was probably again a little bit
sort of politically naive to even have suggested that, you know,
(10:02):
Winson and I have dinners and we do double dating
and David and I have meetings. It's like, oh, I'm
not sure that's helping the polition.
Speaker 2 (10:10):
Now, Yeah, that's really going to make David be nice
to you in public. Guys, Thank you so much, appreciate it.
David Farrer and Josephgani our hut all this evening at
seven Away from.
Speaker 1 (10:19):
Six For more from Hither Duplessy Allen Drive. Listen live
to news talks it'd be from four pm weekdays, or
follow the podcast on iHeartRadio.
The huddle with New Zealand Southeby's international realty, local and
global exposure like no other.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
Just to reminder, Nikola Willis the Finance ministers with us.
After six o'clock we're going to ask her how much
money we're putting into as a rich country into the
poor countries to help them deal with the climate with us.
Right now on the huddle, we've got David Farreh of
Kiwi Blog and also Joseph BEGANI of child Fun. Now
you guys, hello, Josie, how do you feel about the hucker.
Speaker 3 (00:24):
Well, look, he says he did it for good intentions.
I'm sure he did. He's motivated by showing some unity
as a nation. But the problem is, I think that's
a bit naive. I mean, you imagine you're waiving the
mun and we're to hockey flag. You imagine if it
had been I don't know, the Palestinian flag or something,
and you're trying to say, oh, I'm just doing it
for healing and peace, and I just calling for peace,
(00:45):
it would be seen politically agree Yeah. Oh sorry, I
thought i'd just been cut off then, But yeah, so
I think it's naive. And secondly, I think that you know,
if you're going in principle, if you're going to say
you can use the hucker for you know, showing solidarity
for the hikoy, you actually have to follow the principle
through and agree that you have to be happy to
(01:07):
use the huker for something that you don't agree with.
So you imagine I don't know if Israel Falow or
something who had very controversial views around same sex relationships,
but he managed to get you know, his all Blacks
team on side and the all Blacks and so on.
If that had happened, we'd be outraged, right, I mean,
I think the principle you're going to use the huker politically,
(01:27):
you have to be prepared for it to be used
for something that you don't always agree with. And that's
where the problem is.
Speaker 2 (01:32):
Yeah, what do you reckon?
Speaker 4 (01:33):
David on a personal live Of course, any sportsperson can
make any political statement they want, right, there's there, right absolutely,
But it's really stupid because what it doesn't unify When
you decide to use your walking position to make political stance,
half the country probably doesn't agree with you.
Speaker 5 (01:54):
And you do it enough. And this has happened in
America with the NFL, etc.
Speaker 4 (02:00):
You all start switching off because it's hard to get
enthusiastic about your favorite players and teams if you think
they dramatically disagree with me and don't respect what I think.
And that's one of its best for them not to
do the polity every right to.
Speaker 5 (02:17):
But there are consequences.
Speaker 2 (02:18):
I agree with that, Jose.
Speaker 3 (02:20):
I do think. I do think though, that people who
are all sort of canceling their Sky subscriptions and so on,
that you know, we'll all smell the selling smelling salts
and we'll all get over it, because it's not actually
the biggest problem that faces the country right now. There's
a whole bunch of other problems, and I just think
we're pissed off about it, or people are pissed off
about it because you know, as you said, David, that
half the country don't agree with this, so they're going, oh,
(02:43):
you know, we don't like you making a political statement.
And again that's what I'm saying is that if you
if you agree with it for those who think it
was a brave thing for him to do and they
agree with his politics, you have to be prepared to
agree with someone who does it for something you don't
agree with you, And I don't think that's where the
problem is.
Speaker 2 (03:00):
David, I tell you what I was thinking. The thing
is you say like half the country disagrees, is actually
at the last polling that you did, was the last
polling that we've got, it's actually something more like two
thirds of people who actually had an opinion would have
been in support of the general idea of the Treaty
Principles referendum versus one third who wasn't. But why I'm
(03:21):
telling you this is because I want to know where's
the next lot of polling. Are you guys not polling
on this anymore?
Speaker 4 (03:27):
Well, look, we have a monthly poll that was We
did a poll last October on it. We did another
one in October. Once the government announce new principles, and
seeing they've now had slightly different principles in the bill
they introduce, it is our intention to have a poll
in a December on the boss and it'd be very
(03:49):
interesting to see what comes up because any changes may
reflect the slightly different wording, or it may reflect that
people agree with the opponents, or it might reflect that
the opponents have turned them off.
Speaker 5 (04:01):
So what's for mid December for the latest polling.
Speaker 3 (04:05):
We know what though, David, I reckon that people aren't
even reading the David Seymour Act, Treaty Principals Bill, et cetera,
et cetera, because the whole thing has just been pitched
now is that you're either for Mary or anti Marty.
And whether you've read the Principal Treaty Principal Bill or not,
or whatever you think about it, I don't think any
changing in the wording will change anything. It's now been
(04:27):
very successfully framed as pro or anti Mary.
Speaker 5 (04:31):
They're very right, Josie.
Speaker 4 (04:33):
But when we pull on it we actually read the
proposed principles out and you're right too that if you
guys't asked about the bill generally you can get a
different response to these are the proposed principles.
Speaker 5 (04:46):
Do you agree or disagree on them?
Speaker 4 (04:47):
And give me a wee bit away here in the
December poll we're actually going to ask break them down
to the three separate proposed principles to see if we
can find where is there more aggres emant and disagreement
I so speak. We're going to find that very few
people disagree with the first and third Principles, which is
about the government can government quality, and it will be
(05:09):
the second one. Hopefully that will help the public discussion
because if we can actually say we don't all disagree
on everything, it's actually just the wording of one of
the principles, that could be a good thing. But who
knows what the results are, right.
Speaker 2 (05:21):
I'm going to be absolutely fascinated, Thank you, David. But
now I've got something to look forward to, apart from
obviously Christmas. Like everybody else, the.
Speaker 1 (05:29):
Huddle with New Zealand Southby's International Realty elevate the marketing
of your home Right.
Speaker 2 (05:34):
Back with the heart of David Phara Joe Spaghani, David,
what do you reckon? How's the government going?
Speaker 3 (05:38):
One year in?
Speaker 5 (05:40):
Pretty good?
Speaker 4 (05:40):
Actually, I locked around the world and you've had all
these governments like you. Look in the UK came in
with a massive lead and twelve months on they're vacually
like you. Keir Starmer is underwater in his ratings and
I think what you see here is it's just been solid.
They're not more popular, not particularly less popular when they
(06:01):
came and LUXNS kept around in a bridge of a
plus three percent approval rating, etcetera.
Speaker 5 (06:07):
And sure you can look at.
Speaker 4 (06:08):
The John Kia and say, oh, he doesn't compare that,
but you look at Australia, Canada, UK, America, et cetera,
and things are pretty good. I think the biggest achievement,
and this will send a bit funny, is making Erica
stand for the education Minister. I think what she is
doing the so quickly and with such determination is so important.
Speaker 5 (06:31):
And is by far got the most positive payoff for
as well.
Speaker 4 (06:41):
Aren't we all looks like battle melting her house? Who
you wouldn't be surprised they whispered there under their breath,
but I was honestly surprised it was Erica.
Speaker 5 (06:53):
It does shows you human like all.
Speaker 2 (06:55):
Do you know what after she called after she called
Jen a stupid b ward? When I started hearing about
all the other stuff that Erica says and all the
pot he is not even that bad out of Erica's mouth,
and it totally surprised me. Did you know that she's
swore like this, Jose?
Speaker 3 (07:09):
No, I didn't, And and I kind of like that
in a person. I mean, obviously not on air news
tok z B drivetime, but yes, it makes a human.
But look when I look at the government. Now you know, yes,
they're not in trouble like Kirstarmer's government in terms of popularity.
I think they do have a vision. I think the
biggest failure, which is going to get bigger and bigger
(07:30):
for them is their inability to explain it. And if
you take it to me, then well yeah, so it's
not my job to explain it. But what I think
it is, Heather is is basically we were elected, as
as Jacinda Ardun was elected on a kind of wish
for a government to do something about child poverty, about inequality.
(07:50):
There was a real sense of transformation was needed. They
were elected on a promise of change the economy, get
the economy working again, and so on and competent man.
And I think this what the problem is. They haven't
really been able to explain an exciting vision. It gets
people going, Okay, I get it. So if you take
the he Corey as an example, that was a moment
(08:12):
where any leader needs to step up and stand up
in front of people and go The reason I have
let this treaty principal bill through is because I believe
in a democratic debate. I don't agree with the bill.
So he kind of said it, but he said it.
He says it in a sort of managerial way. And
I think that's the problem for them, is that they're
doing incremental change. And you mentioned Erica Stanford. You're right, David,
(08:36):
She's come in with a good plan for getting you know,
an hour of maths, you know, compulsory maths and so on,
but it's not going to be enough to do something
where I think it's like with health, you need massive transformation.
You cannot solve that long tail and education with just
one hour of maths a week or whatever. So that
I think they're failing to really communicate an exciting vision
(08:58):
and get people feeling really bad passionate about it.
Speaker 2 (09:01):
I felt on David a little bit sorry for David
seymore to hear that Luxeon and Amanda and Winnipe and
jan are going on double dates together over dinner and
David's been left out.
Speaker 4 (09:12):
Maybe it's actually I think he does have a partner,
does yeah, yeah, but sometimes you need to spend more
time on what can be the more challenging relationship. I
don't mean on all accounts has actually been a stunly
good coalition partner, but there is more history with Winston
like Winston you did have the big divorce with the
(09:35):
national government there, come.
Speaker 2 (09:36):
On fun to have dinner with because he hits the
whiskey exactly.
Speaker 3 (09:42):
I was just going to say that it's about who's
more fun to have dinner with, although I'm sure David
is you know, God has got anecdotes and can sort
of amuse it dinner party. But yeah, I think it's
to do with a personal connection perhaps between Winston Peters
and Luxelon. And it was probably again a little bit
sort of politically naive to even have suggested that, you know,
(10:02):
Winson and I have dinners and we do double dating
and David and I have meetings. It's like, oh, I'm
not sure that's helping the polition.
Speaker 2 (10:10):
Now, Yeah, that's really going to make David be nice
to you in public. Guys, Thank you so much, appreciate it.
David Farrer and Josephgani our hut all this evening at
seven Away from.
Speaker 1 (10:19):
Six For more from Hither Duplessy Allen Drive. Listen live
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