Greyhound racing banned in NZ (10 December 2024)

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Speaker 1 (00:07):
You're listening to the Marcus Lush Night's podcast from News Talks.

Speaker 2 (00:11):
A'd be.

Speaker 3 (00:13):
Greetings, Welcome, It's Tuesday, and my name is Marcus hettil
Midnight Tonight. Just as far as the predictions go, two
people predicted the end of greyhound racing. One person thought
it would end this year. The other person predicted that
farmers would use greyhounds to control wallabies. Whether that comes

(00:33):
true or not, I don't know. I've thought about this
a lot. I know that Darcy's talked about this, however,
I've thought a lot about this today. The banning of
greyhound racing not unexpected at all, but the finality of

(00:53):
it seems slightly hasteful, I guess. And I don't know
your own personal views, however, it seems to me that

(01:13):
greyhound dog racing is very much has quite humble beginnings.
I think we know that from Coronation Street when stan
oldet Eddie eight had a greyhound dog that was called
I can't remember it was called. It'll come to me.
It's the working classes of a racing, isn't it. And

(01:38):
I guess that there's certain people in the dog racing
industry that will be upset that they haven't got friends
in high places because the other forms of all the
other forms of racing are going to continue. Now they've
said that one of the reasons they've banned it was
on the basis of cruelty. Once you get into that,
discussion becomes quite conmicate, doesn't it, Because when is one

(02:00):
thing more cruel than another? And I'm not the judge
on that, but I think you can make some fairly
strong cases of all sorts of other endeavors involving animals
are as cruel as this, and then you get to
the stage of live catalytic sports, which would seem unnecessary

(02:25):
to me. So yeah, I think probably the people involved
in the dog racing industry have got every reason to
feel quite aggrieved by this. They have had a length
of time to get their sport together. But you know,
it's a disparate group. It's hard for a group to
speak as one, and there's betting involved, and when there's

(02:47):
betting involved, you know there will be cagy practices. And
I would imagine that all sports involved with betting would
involve unsavory practices. And we can see that we just
follow the court cases. So yeah, I don't know what
your thoughts are about this, but where they're in fat

(03:10):
horse racing follows. I don't know, but seems to me
that all the arguments you could make to ban greyhounds,
you could make to ban horse racing. Also there be
a number of tracks will close. There's just two tracks
specifically for the dogs. That's Monaco and and I feel

(03:31):
sorry for them because actually change their course. They've got
a straight course without the bends. But alas that hasn't helped,
and there'll be no greyhound racing by twinter within eighteen
months or something. It probably will happen quicker than that.
By the way, there's only a handful of countries that

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race dogs Ireland, England, Australia and New Zealand. There is
two courses left in the United States. There used to
be I think hundreds of courses. Now it's down to two.
But it seemed to me if you into racing and
the joys of racing, it was it was an easy
entry level sport. You have to have the deep pockets

(04:12):
of the horse owners. So yeah, there's a sense of
there's a sense of sadness from around this because I
think it was probably a more achievable form of racing
for most people that wouldn't have the chance to buy
a thoroughbred or the land to train it. So yeah,
I would think if you're a dog owner, you would
think today that you've been put upon by the racing
industry that's got probably friends and high places, because there's

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no talk about banning the other sorts of horse racing,
is there, or the other forms of racing. So I'm
curious to know what you want to say about that
eight hundred and eighty ten eighty nine nine two detect.
When it comes to the supermarkets and the banning or
the charging of them for dodgy practices, man, I'm excited
about that. The thing that I'm also upset about when
it comes to supermarkets is a number of times I

(05:00):
have complained to the Commerce Commission and received no replies
at all, which strikes me is shocking. Yeah, so that's
a situation there. Supermarkets will face criminal charges overpricing and

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happens all the time. I'm surprised Countdown is one of
those ones. It's name because the Countdown I've gone to
have always been very very good. Now I can tell
you so we've got breaking news. Please are at the
scene of a fatal crash where a person has died
after being struck by a car in messy a lan
him laying around six point fifty. The man has sadly

(05:44):
died at the scene. This is from the police announcement.
The serious cress is an attendance and police are making inquiries.
People are asked to avoid the area. So yes, get
in touch if you want to talk about the supermarkets,
all the greyhounds, because yeah, I do feel that if
I was someone that was involved in dog racing, I'd

(06:08):
feel that I have been unfairly put upon. I know
the SPCA cocker hope, but I wonder how many concerns
there are about horse racing, and obviously of course about
rodeo's because you can see the continuum. You know, beer
dancing's gone, cock fighting's gone, circuses have gone, animals now

(06:31):
the dogs have gone. The road day probably be next,
and I would imagine that horse racing ten years, twenty years,
thirty years gone.

Speaker 4 (06:37):
Burger.

Speaker 3 (06:40):
They can say we've got to keep it going because
it's very important for jobs and for exports, but you
know they've seen that this is cruel, so they get
rid of the dogs. So you've got to be you know,
you can't be a hypocrite. You've got to apply the
same thing. You know, you can't just say oh well,
we're going to actually say, oh well, there's there's work involved,

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or let that ride, Marcus. As anyone know if there
is a spark broadband outage, I don't know if anyone
can tell me anything about that. If you've got breaking news,
let us know. Someone said, remember this racing. This is
as cross parties that bought not just this government decision,
thank you, far more horses break down and euthanized an eventing.

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But nobody puts the boot into Mark Todd Blithetate or
Janelle Price. That's from Wayne. I've got a situation here
about the news last night. Also last night there was
the plane that came back. There's been some news through
today that that was struck by lightning. So I presume

(07:45):
that the person said that the flight to la had
got struck by lightning. I guess there was confusion then
it was the one to Tahiti, So we're following that
last night need news. In flight to Tahiti was forced
to turn back to walk and Epu on Monday night
after being struck by lightning bound for Papiititi struck about
twenty minutes after departure, so I think it's protocol to
come back. It was half there, would still come back,

(08:07):
I think, because Tahiti haven't got the heavy biscuits that
can fix the planes the top technician, so that would
be par for the course. Anyway, horse racing and supermarkets
to begin with eight hundred and eighty ten eighty nine
to nine two to text. You might be a dog owner,
but yeah, when it comes down to cruelty, yeah, the

(08:32):
decisions be made to protect the welfare of the racing dogs,
bearing in mind too, so we've spoken about this at
great length. There is no problem with X race dogs
because they are incredibly sought after in America because people
love these dogs in America can't get them because the
sport is so through the floor there that people are

(08:52):
desperate for dogs. So I think Greyhound New Zealand sends
all the dogs to America where they are as love pets,
so that's a good thing. The dogs won't be killed
though probably jetted overseas, I would think probably scial planes.
Marcus Sparkan doing some maintenance and whip Pa this evening
and there may be an outage for an hour or so.

(09:13):
Other maintenances without the country this week, mostly overnight. I
don't know where whyper is as such. I just have
a quick look at that to see if that's where
you are. Person that texted, I know that whole why
Para is like tiawa muti ta around that area south
of Hamilton. Oh it's the river, isn't it anyway, So
that's a situation that's you. Yes, it has been out.

(09:35):
It will be a spark outage or as spoutage as
we call it. Marcus, don't forget to mention pigeon racing
an extremely good point. Now, how do I feel? And
by the way, my passion for all these things is

(09:55):
from a point of view as nostalgia. I see, that's
why I go to the course racing quite often, I said,
as a form of entertainment, a form of gambling, a
form of a pastime that's not going to be with
us forever. And you see that you're go to the racecourse.
There is no one there. They can bring some of
the astronauts from NASA to go there to train in
areas lacking atmosphere. That's how bad it is. Anyway, Marcus

(10:22):
raised many greyhounds tail wagging the dog bad pun. Marcus
want to say woman, farmers do not kill calves, and
the thorough industry work very hard to rehome race horses.
Lots end up as show hecks or show jumpers and
are treasured by the new owners.

Speaker 5 (10:36):
Debs.

Speaker 3 (10:36):
Well, I think farmers do kill calves. I think probably
Bobby calves are problematic. You see them in They're crates.
Off they go. Marcus, Nick, here, great hearing you. I've
had a series of strokes and am not yet fifty
blessed to be listening tonight. Thanks for the company and support.
Nice to hear from you, Nick. Are you in hospital?

(11:00):
They eat horse in Japan quite a delicacy.

Speaker 6 (11:04):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (11:04):
I wonder how much about this is also to do
with dog that they are pets. Therefore people have more
or different relationships to their thoughts around dogs. Cause you know,
I don't think it's a bad thing, the banning of
dog racing. I think it was inevitable. But where does
that leave horse racing? And all of that is the
steadiness of gambling, which you know of causes crime and

(11:27):
addiction will do if it course is addiction. We know
what I'm saying, get in touch. By name is Marcus
Hittel twelve eight hundred and eighty ten eighty nine to
text Marcus Lady speaking earlier, set of dogs were not racing.
They were euthanized a significant number well as I think

(11:49):
speaking on the show about that, they did significant work
with greyhounds to get them rehomed and there was a
huge demand for them in the States. So but you know,
when there's money involved, just like in horse racing, practices
aren't always well. They've got to police them because they're

(12:09):
always above board, are they. Roberts Marcus, welcome, good evening.

Speaker 7 (12:15):
He again, Marcus, good, Thank you, rob Yeah, you've got
a great show mate. I listen to you every night.

Speaker 3 (12:20):
Thank you.

Speaker 7 (12:22):
Look, I yeah, I've got no real interest in the
greyhounds or anything like that, but I feel for all
those people in their industry. You know, eighteen months or
whatever time they've given them to wine their operations down,
it's just it's not enough time.

Speaker 3 (12:41):
And I know, I think probably more so than horse racing,
I think dog racing is very much about passion because
people get themselves a dog, and you know, it's a
more low key hobby. Type thing. So it's like the
industry of horse racing where there's big money behind it.
It is these people's passion and their hobby and something
they spend a lot of time involved with, so they'll

(13:03):
be devastated.

Speaker 7 (13:05):
Yeah, and you know, I mean there's bad eggs in
all industry, business or whatever, you know. I mean, look,
I'm sure ninety five percent of the people are good
and they're right, they love their dogs. And another thing was, well,
what I find conflicting about this decision? So I suppose

(13:25):
it's like, you know, the coalition that up come up
with us. I've had pressure from animal welfare groups. It's
been in the news for years. I guess, yes, they
so they're benning greyhounds, yet they're going to resume live exports. Yes,
isn't that conflicting?

Speaker 3 (13:43):
Yeah, that's the point I didn't make. By the way,
I think that was the last government. I think it
was the last Grant roberts Grant Robertson said that they
were going to have a review that eighteen months to
get their act together. So it was both governments that
were in favor of stopping and bearing in mind also
greyhound racing has not been around that long. I think
you only bet on it since the since the nineteen eighties,

(14:06):
so it's a fairly Yeah, it's a fairly recent sport
as well, so I reckon they managed to get rid
of that to make horse racing look better. But I
don't know.

Speaker 7 (14:15):
Well, well, horse racing. Look, look, horse racing is a
billion dollar industry in this in this country. Yeah, I
think that was only there's ten thousand people associated with
the racing and breeding industry, and we're recognized all over
the world. As you know, breeders our horse dock go
to well, I think they mainly go to Hong Kong

(14:37):
and used to be Singapore. They've closed close the right
race track down completely for housing.

Speaker 3 (14:45):
I still think horse racing itself is a sport that's
dying as sports bedding takes over the world. You know,
you see less and less people of the track. So
I mean people will in the government subsidize it in
this country, but people will say they you know, horse
racings in a great state. But I wouldn't be surprised
if in fifty years people aren't racing horses still.

Speaker 7 (15:07):
Yeah, yeah, well, well I'd probably agree with it because
I mean, you know, the breeders are today that that well,
I've used to hear in today that they're slowly leaving
the industry. I mean, you know.

Speaker 3 (15:20):
Everyone the racecourse is all there is always about eighty
every old people there come on that apart from apart
from the Christmas leer up with drunken falls over.

Speaker 8 (15:35):
Yeah.

Speaker 7 (15:36):
Well, well, interestingly in New South Wales, I've got a
they've got a guy there, Peter Baland's Who's Who's Who's
He's you know, really jeering up the New South Wales
Sydney racing scene with with with and they're attracting a
younger crowd. They see what's going on, I suppose, and

(15:58):
and they're trying to rescue it.

Speaker 3 (16:00):
Yeah, and I think the way they're rescuing it it's
by making gambling seem more appealing to young people, which
I thinks problematic as well, because they're bidding on the NRL.
I mean we see that with the All Blacks. He's
always is he dag popping up and saying this is
how much you can lose off love anyway, Nice to
hear from you, Rob, Thank you. Twenty five to nine.
General discussion, Really where you are with this one? We

(16:24):
can all be futurists. Thanks Shay Dave Marcus.

Speaker 9 (16:39):
Welcome Marcus.

Speaker 5 (16:42):
I'm general I'm genuinely surprised that Winston Peters has come
out and banned it and not giving them time. I
guess instead of going to the Esburton Dogs, we can
sit around the circle and Sincrome by our sandal.

Speaker 3 (16:57):
Have you been to the Esburton Dogs.

Speaker 5 (17:00):
You're fantastic? Yeah, And look, I I just just like
this cans all and control culture. We seem to we
we we come out and knee reaction, which I believe
it is a well hang on them, and I think
it's I think people have dogs and cruel people. They're

(17:26):
there for the for the enjoyment and they it's their sport.
So so why do we have to come out and
judge others for what they do. I don't think people
who've got dogs they're cruel people at all. Now I'm
against this control culture, of this control freaks. No, I

(17:46):
think it's pretty short sighted myself. If people do what
they do, well, who might have judged there.

Speaker 3 (17:53):
Is a gambling experience. The fields always quite small, aren't they.
That's what surprises well.

Speaker 5 (17:59):
I think the maximum about seven dogs or eight dogs
in a race, and I mean they do what they do.
The dogs love it, they seem to. Is it seems
the race horses race, horses race, that's what they do.
Clydes Dale.

Speaker 3 (18:16):
I've never seen horses. I've never seen horses or dogs
in the peddic organizing their own races.

Speaker 10 (18:21):
Oh they love it.

Speaker 5 (18:22):
Yeah, they get around all right. Don't worry that they
run around the paddocks all day. They love it and train,
train hard in the gym and swim is there.

Speaker 3 (18:34):
Yeah, I'm just trying. People say there's not. Oh they
race some of their spurting track, do they?

Speaker 11 (18:40):
Yeah?

Speaker 12 (18:40):
Yeah, they used to race of Ky too.

Speaker 5 (18:42):
I remember the year eight round us around the Yeah,
I can restore some now. Yeah years ago and going
back bloody forty years. It used to run around Kiwy
to the dogs. Yeah, and that little fairy bunny that
you used to chase. Yet, going back forty years.

Speaker 3 (19:02):
Because poor Fong. And they've got a straight dog track
they've just built there.

Speaker 5 (19:07):
Well here's the dog. You know that's a straight sprint,
isn't it.

Speaker 3 (19:11):
I think they haven't done that with the horses.

Speaker 5 (19:14):
Oh, the dogs love it, sprints eating, they go around
I think it's cornering. I go around the circles that
they have the problem.

Speaker 3 (19:22):
Have you ever seen have you ever seen greyhound hurdles?

Speaker 5 (19:27):
No?

Speaker 8 (19:27):
I have not.

Speaker 5 (19:28):
I've seen horses hurdle.

Speaker 3 (19:30):
I think there is. I think there is. There was
greyhound hurdle racing.

Speaker 5 (19:37):
Perhaps maybe they'd love it too.

Speaker 3 (19:41):
That's all you're going to say, is they love it,
But we can't really tell, can we?

Speaker 5 (19:46):
Well, we can't tell. But they always seem to smile
and come off the track sort are happier. I've done
what they they enjoyed doing. And the slip of dogs
who do it. Some dogs are bred for that sore.
Some some change rabbits, whippets and ones have you. They
love chasing the rabbit.

Speaker 3 (20:02):
You know, Okay, good on you PC gone man. There's
two thousand and nine hundre greyhounds that will be available.
I presume, as I say, a lot of those will
go to the United States of America because they're desperate
for greyhounds over there, because the greyhound industry has collapsed
very very quickly because of the animal cruelty viewpoint. There
was a dog. There was a book written about a dog,
a kid's book, and that kind of galvanized everyone and

(20:25):
the tide went out quite quickly. But what about that
British Olympian that was caught whipping her horse, Remember that
they didn't let her go to compete at France. Well
she's been banned, but she was all a very jolly
jumper until they had the secret camera whoop nineteen to nine.
Reinterested to hear about the history of greyhounds, and I

(20:45):
don't think many people ever turned.

Speaker 13 (20:46):
Up for it.

Speaker 3 (20:47):
I don't think it was like there was crowds in Australia.
They had greyhound hurdles, but they see that it was
very easy for one horse, one dog to dominate, which
made it quite one sided. Go figure. Frankett's Marcus good evening.

Speaker 12 (21:05):
Yeah sure, remark mate, thank you. Yeah, I was seeing
that whips that was at horse school. It's just flicking
around the whipping it.

Speaker 5 (21:17):
Yeah.

Speaker 12 (21:20):
Humans and dogs and horses and stuff and the little creatures.
Ah yeah, you could steep and chase the the dogs,
you know, be beautiful to watch them jumping over hills
and stuff and they.

Speaker 3 (21:33):
With the dogs, but they didn't have frank.

Speaker 12 (21:37):
Yeah you're saying, yeah, I just singing. There was steeple
chase kind of a thing. But yeah, what's the difference
between dogs and humans? Look racing around? You know, like
the humans race around, they run around the track and
they had a set sort of.

Speaker 3 (21:50):
A frank, what do you think the differences between greyhounds
racing and humans racing?

Speaker 12 (21:58):
Well, rat greyhounds are done it and people are doing it.
But I guess it's choice ground. I don't know if
Grayham seemed to enjoy it, some actual thing to do.
But then we've got a problem. Then we get a
whole industry getting closed down and apparently it's crop. You know,
I've seen a lot of people falling beyond the steps
and stuff and back of the legs steps and yeah,

(22:22):
but you've got the problem. Was it three thousand, three
thousand rehuming three thousand dogs? Isn't it? If that, you know,
sending them over to America is sending one to the
carry on of punishment?

Speaker 14 (22:33):
Isn't it?

Speaker 12 (22:34):
You know?

Speaker 11 (22:36):
On it?

Speaker 3 (22:36):
You know, you know, what do you say about what
does you have to send them to America?

Speaker 15 (22:41):
Is it?

Speaker 3 (22:41):
You abou mumbley?

Speaker 12 (22:42):
Well, you're saying that, you know, they're probably going to
sell them over to America so they can carry on
with your abuse.

Speaker 3 (22:50):
Frank, they'd go to America as pits because they're desperate
for them as pets. Seriously, you can put us a text. Seriously.
You can put a hook through a Marlin's mouth in
this country in Winterton for hours and then celebrate with
a beer with your mates. You can sit on a
pony and run it and make it jump a fence
at pony club. You can send your dog to round
up a bore and get ripped apart by it, then

(23:13):
shoot it because it's going to die. You can row
a oh, you can put a jockey with a whip
and race it. You can go to the vet with
your pet and just put it down because it costs
too much to fix it. But we ban the most
regular industry in using and Winston sold out to protect
US horses. But it will backfire. Yep, that's a text, Marcus.

(23:34):
Most people watch everything on TV or online, no need
to go there, like Rugby and every other sports mate, Marcus,
you think they're going to the pub, now to the movies.
Dogs eat, sleep and run. Now they'll just be locked
up all day whilst their owners are at work. Well,
I guess then you've got to look at the cruelty

(23:54):
of having dogs. Of course, plenty are left at home
all day, aren't they? See if we're looking at continuum
fifteen away from nine, Jamie, it's Marcus.

Speaker 9 (24:05):
Good evening, all right, Marcus, how are you good?

Speaker 3 (24:08):
Thank you? Jamie.

Speaker 8 (24:10):
That's good.

Speaker 9 (24:10):
Hey, Look it's just my opinion, Okay. On my way
home today, I heard the news on the radio that
that was going to be banned. I went to the
bottle store. I got with your four pack of toy
and I'm celebrating meat. You go on, I'm celebrating the
fact that there's going to be no more greyhound.

Speaker 3 (24:32):
Reason, okay. And you expected it to happen.

Speaker 9 (24:37):
I'm glad it happened. I'm absolutely glad it happened. I
hope it happens the horse racing, because especially for horse racing.
Have you got a horse race, don't whip the horse.
Ride the horse like you like you're the winner. Don't
whip it, you know what I mean?

Speaker 3 (24:53):
And I think most people probably are in favor of
it being ended, But it does appear to be hypocritical
to me that you know, they're betting one thing. And
I mean there's all sorts of beir and all sorts
of things.

Speaker 9 (25:09):
I heard your opinion about about humans and animals, or
humans get acc animals don't get a sec They get
to be broken leagues. You know what I mean?

Speaker 10 (25:23):
Humans get fixed up.

Speaker 16 (25:27):
I can't.

Speaker 3 (25:29):
And I was going to say it's all it's all
been done for our entertainment, but it's actually not. It's
all been done to sustain the gambling industry, which is
a fairly dark and kind of unsavory industry. Anyway. They
always trumpet on the glamour side of it, fashion, the
fields and women are nice frocks. But beneath it all
this people's livelihood has been ruined because they're hooked on gambling.

Speaker 9 (25:52):
Hang on, my livelihood was ruined by and by losing
my job with Hayden. You find another job.

Speaker 3 (25:58):
So with gambling, with gambling.

Speaker 9 (26:01):
Life mate, normal, You lose your job, you find another job.
You know what I mean.

Speaker 3 (26:04):
Did you get fired for gambling?

Speaker 11 (26:07):
No?

Speaker 10 (26:07):
I got fired.

Speaker 9 (26:08):
I didn't get fired, lad because it was no work.

Speaker 3 (26:10):
Okay, copy that supermarkets and the dogs, and I guess
most people are pleased the dogs have stopped the dog racing.
It just seems a bit brutal. And you know who
knows what discussions have really gone on, because I would

(26:33):
think with the growth of sports betting, sports bidding was
banned in most states in America. There was only legal
in Vegas and legal in some places where they had
Indian American Indian reservations. But they've changed the whole laws
in most states. Now you can do sports betting. It's
become huge, like its growth every year year on year

(26:59):
is through the roof, and that's how most people gamble
now or online with games like poker. But thoughts bedding certainly,
and I would think probably that the horse racing industry
is very, very aware that the gambling dollar is getting
split in all sorts of ways. Why that would cause

(27:22):
them to ban dog racing. Maybe it's just about market
chair I don't know fully anyway. Oh so here's a
sad text that's through We're talking Hams. A couple of

(27:45):
weeks ago Mutton Hams and people were talking about Tinese
butchery and Milton and that came up in the discussion.
Someone's text me to say, sadly, Tiny passed away on
the fifth, so just last week, So thanks so much
letting us know about that, Marcus. What will these dogs

(28:05):
do now when they were born to running. If you
owned dogs, have owned owned dogs, or partaken dog racing,
let me know not so much what you think, well,
what you think about this also how good the industry
has been to You must be hell of a hard
industry to kind of get any publicity about I even

(28:27):
noticed that the local papers that there's not much horse
racing news anymore. I don't know if there was ever
much news for the dogs. Sound like you never really
had any kind of great supporters to raise the profile
of your industry. I think what happened in Australia New
South Wales they had live baiting, you know, animals have
been used to train them and stuff like that. There

(28:48):
was some undercover stuff that went on with sixty minutes
and it pretty much it was pretty ghastly, and I
think that caused people to look at the sport and
news and whether that went on here, I'm not too sure,
but yeah, and like everything and things, when people are
threat when they're sport is threatened, you you don't always

(29:13):
you don't always get honesty with people saying what the
industry is like. So if you do want to talk
about that, that's on about tonight and the supermarkets, but
horse racing, dog racing no more eighteen months or social
over over Marcus, I've got a bulldog. They were spread
especially for beer for bull baiting, that it all went

(29:40):
bust and they domesticated them. I don't know what happens
to greyhounds as a breed, if they just disappear. I
know people have Italian greyhounds. I don't know if you
race those. They say sort of a more delicate breed
of dog. Where they raced, I guess the fact they're
called Italian race Italian. I don't know much too much
about Italian greyhound. They seem to be all the They

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seem to be the trendy pet there for a while.
Can someone tell me about those? Do they raise those?
Because I don't think they have dog racing in Italy,
so they seem to be smaller. They've probably got a
Wikipedia page. Have they our bread to hunt here and rabbit?

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But it's kept mostly as a companion dog. I think
you see some of those in some of the Great
Renaissance paintings. You see those greyhounds, don't you. We've got
that one right, I think the Medici's had them. Anyway,
get in touch you on a talk on your Marcus
till twelve six from nine hit on Midnight eight hundred

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and eighty ten eighty and nine nine two de text.
We are talking greyhounds and not all the bad stuff. Also,
let's sort of acknowledge that perhaps for a while, probably
it was a good sport for some people. Probably endorwed
it people had dogs that they loved and that went
or right for them. But yeah, I think probably it's

(31:06):
a sport that's been closed down because it was easy
to do, didn't have the same advocates as probably the
horse racing has. Michael Good Evening, it's Marcus Welcome.

Speaker 17 (31:17):
Hey Marcus, Hi, Michael. Now this isn't about greyhounds, but
just about racing hounds in general. Yes, but there's a
few breeds of hounds that that people race, either casually
or just the phone. For example, you mentioned Italian greyhounds,
but there's also whipp it. I do know that there

(31:39):
is a well I'm a member of the New Zealand
Wip Club, but there are members of the whipp Club
that do with the coursing did the South Island Club.
Now that's not for gambling, that's just for love and
just to see you the the animals doing what they
do best, which is texting very things which aren't real verything.

Speaker 3 (32:04):
So, Michael, what happens with whipped coursing? The it host
something behind a motorbike or something or how does it work.

Speaker 9 (32:10):
They have a.

Speaker 17 (32:13):
They have a I don't know, like a high speed winch,
and so the lure is attached to a cable and
there's a course that they run. So it's just in
an open field and they just charge around and it
is actually judging involved and things like that as well,
you know, judging the form as they're running and all
sorts of things.

Speaker 9 (32:34):
Yeah.

Speaker 17 (32:34):
I haven't done it myself personally, but it's something that
I'm looking at getting into at some point.

Speaker 3 (32:39):
Okay, So it's the same kind of passion people breeding
dogs to be good at something, but obviously they're very
keen to keep gambling away from it, right.

Speaker 17 (32:49):
I imagine. So this is by both people who own
pure bread whippets and they just love it. Yeah, I
mean my whipit. She loves. She loves to run and
it's one of the best things in the world to
see a fast dog going for it.

Speaker 3 (33:06):
Yeah, And I've even been to ring or to watch
like Jack Russell racing and things like that, and the
dogs seem to love that and people are quite passionate
about that. I know they're not probably bred for racing
in the same ways, but that seems to be something
people do also.

Speaker 17 (33:24):
Yeah, so it's a round. And I just really hope
that whatever the government does, they don't say they shall
not pause or race dogs because there are people who you.

Speaker 3 (33:35):
Know, well, I wonder also what's I mean this is?
You know, this has raised as all sorts of questions.
I also wonder what's going to stop people casually or
unofficially continue. And I'm not saying this is what happens
with whippet coursing, but people I'm sure will still want

(33:58):
to go on and race greyhounds. I'm sure it probably
will just go underground.

Speaker 17 (34:05):
Okay, I mean I really really love it. They can
just do it for joy.

Speaker 3 (34:11):
Yeah, just break out. We just go to news, marcaret.
But thank you so much for calling. Greetings, good evening, Marcus,
till midnight tonight. I hope it's good. Well, you are
get in touch. We are talking a little bit about everything,
but mainly we are talking tonight about greyhounds. Enjoyed the discussion.
And yeah, and I think it's kind of a discussion
that we can have that kind of can be a
little bit reasoned, I guess, which I'm liking. But I

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do feel for the people involved in that industry, and
I guess they might have known this was coming up
for a while, but certainly it means that something that
they enjoy is no longer something they are able to do.
So when I get in touch, you want to talk
here till midnight tonight, John A's Marcus welcome.

Speaker 15 (34:58):
Yeah, okay, Marcus there are You're going good?

Speaker 3 (35:00):
John?

Speaker 11 (35:01):
Yeah.

Speaker 15 (35:02):
If I make and I make three quick comments, please
do your guys that rung up said that greyhound racing
was only a relatively new thing.

Speaker 11 (35:14):
Around there.

Speaker 3 (35:14):
I'm talking about when you gamble on it, in fact,
when it was the totalizers, when when we had with
it racing, when the Tap.

Speaker 15 (35:22):
Got with racing in the forties.

Speaker 3 (35:25):
Yeah, and I'm fully aware of the history of that.
It was me that said that from the from about
greyhound racing and how long it's been around in New
Zealand and the fight, the fight to get it established
and you know, and the challenges they've had with that.

Speaker 15 (35:40):
Also, Marcus I think you've only got to watch.

Speaker 5 (35:44):
Country Calendar at times.

Speaker 15 (35:46):
I think the greyhounds have a much better life than
a lot of those hunter ways and Border colleagues do
for a living.

Speaker 18 (35:57):
I don't have a pretty tough life.

Speaker 3 (35:59):
I don't disagree.

Speaker 15 (36:01):
They have a pretty tough life. And I mean once
they've finished, they've had it. I mean, no one already
deald into that too much. That that is woman. That
is one point I wanted to make the number two point.
I know you're talking about greyhounds, the dogs that most
people fear in New Zealand and certain sections of society

(36:27):
in South Aukland and here in Paruha. They have the
they have the pitball breeds, and I think they are.

Speaker 11 (36:37):
Much much more harmful to society.

Speaker 15 (36:40):
Than what greyhounds are. And what greyhounds you know, and
greyhounds have a pretty good life.

Speaker 3 (36:46):
Johnny, you involved in greyhound racing.

Speaker 15 (36:48):
No, but I'm I'm a dog lover and all the
rest of it. Okay, But I mean, look, look look
at the farm dogs. I mean, my my ancestors, they
all come from farming country down your way north Canterbury. Look,
they had a bloody hard life, particularly the harder ways,

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you know, we're working up and die happy, and those
earls around there very very dove life. I just thought
I come in from a different angle.

Speaker 3 (37:20):
Yeah, thank you for doing that. John, keep in touch too,
makes Marcus welcome.

Speaker 19 (37:25):
Yes, one night before the end of some I'd like
to ring you and talk about something other than racing,
because I have other interests and I have done that
before as well, but tonight I feel I've just got
to ring you about this because what has gone on
with the greyhounds is going to create waves, and those

(37:48):
waves are going to batter both of the other codes
because so many of the criticisms that could be made
of greyhound racing you could make to one degree or
another of the other racing codes. And I mean, I've
got no interest or no feeling really for greyhound racing

(38:10):
at all. But I do believe perhaps they don't deserve congratulation,
but I think they deserve something to be said in
their favor for the fact that they have brought their
fatality rate down so far from you know, from sixty

(38:30):
deaths per year four years ago to just just in
the double figures, which is still too much. Thoroughbred racing
has actually brought its its fatalities down with a you know,
an almost vertical fall in numbers. And this is something

(38:54):
I keep quite a close watch on.

Speaker 3 (38:57):
And how have they managed to do that in the
thoroughbred industry.

Speaker 19 (39:02):
I don't know whether it's just just good, good fourty
you or what, but there's been a very big drop
just this last year in the number of fatalities. It
was a very great number before. But I've been taken
by surprise by this and it's certainly pleasing. But the

(39:27):
other thing you're saying that you don't see many people
at the races nowadays, by and large, that is true.
But when you've got special days that are like you know,
community festivals on some of these lovely, picturesque little race tracks,
it's a once a year outing for the people and

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they'll turn out in numbers. And when you've got the
very best horses on tracks like Elleslie or ter Rapa,
and it's only for a fairly short window in time
between say the beginning of December and early March, where
you get New Zealand's best New Zealand trained, most of

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which are New Zealand bred, not all, but the best
of our New Zealand trained horses here on the race
tracks and racing, and that's when the public turns out.
And it's it's no coincidence because there are a lot
of people who are genuine racing fans and they will
turn out and they will turn out in numbers to

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see the best horses. Anybody who wants to bet can
do from their own do that from their own home.
But there are a lot of fans and they will
they will still turn out in big numbers when they
can see world class horses.

Speaker 3 (40:44):
Makes Have you seen the dogs race on the straight course?
If I know, have you seen that?

Speaker 19 (40:49):
Yes, I haven't seen it. I haven't seen it through
actually being on site, but I have I have seen
it on the on the television yet.

Speaker 3 (41:01):
Because I feel for them that they got that going,
they got that, you know, all sort of out, because
that must have cut us and have been cheap to
sort that course out. But you're quite right, they've sort
of they've made changes and they seem pre determined to
close it down.

Speaker 19 (41:14):
Yes, yeah, I as I say, I have no interest
in greyhound racing, but I'm a little I've just got
that little bit of a little bit of sympathy.

Speaker 3 (41:26):
Nice to hear from your Max. Thanks so much of that,
oh I eight hundred eighty eight twenty nine two nine
two to text. We're talking greyhounds, and it's the discussion
I expected. It's good, it's reasoned, and you know, things progress,
but there's a right way to do it. And you
can't say change your industry and you might survive and
then shut it down. But it seems as though all

(41:52):
parties seem to be in a great I don't know
what act would think. Oh yeah, Marcus is interesting. For
a lot of us. We cannot defend, justify something we
like other than my taking something else. If other conducts
are just as bad, then give us time. We will

(42:12):
get to them. Kate, it's all what about us them,
isn't it? That seems to be the the the way
internet discourses gone.

Speaker 12 (42:18):
Now?

Speaker 3 (42:18):
What about what about what about that? What about that?
What about that? And once you start arguing in that way,
which all seems arguement's going to be based on, now,
it's hard to get a more reasoned approach. It's pretty
uce that guy with whippet coursing. I'm watching some videos
of that. People do that. There's whippets all running around
these parks chasing things on strings, So that's a hobby.

(42:41):
Whipp it coursing, Dylan, it's Marcus, good evening evening.

Speaker 20 (42:48):
You took some words right out of my mouth with
the water bartism, But look, I mean part of your
pardon the expression, I don't really have a dog in
the race. But I do think that you know, if
you if you take a slightly longer term view at things,
you know, there was a time the fox, I think,
was considered a sport. I can remember that there.

Speaker 2 (43:10):
Was a time that steeplechase it was an acceptable support
until people decided that the injury course to the animals
was unacceptable. So I get that, you know, society evolves,
so do our entertainment. But I couldn't agree with you
more in terms of how it's handled. And I think
if someone took as sort of a like a middle
of the not middle of the road, but a common

(43:32):
sense applace the situation, I don't think even someone who's
a fan.

Speaker 10 (43:36):
Would argue that there was a time in the place, and.

Speaker 2 (43:38):
Maybe you could have a conversation that's no longer the
time in the place, but the way to suddenly get
the route gets pulled out underneath one that I do
just just go to a lack of planning, the foresight
or even consideration.

Speaker 3 (43:51):
Yeah, it seems rush dandyar It does seem because you've
also got all the dogs to work out a plan
for them. Yes, it could have probably hit whether a
generation or something. Yeah, I do think. Yeah, I don't know,
don't know. I'm not disagreeing with you. But if Steeplechase

(44:11):
has been banned that I wasn't aware of that.

Speaker 2 (44:14):
Well, it's not that it's been banned, but it's certainly
not a popular if you walk, if you put on
your LinkedIn profile that you're a huge fan of steeple
chas And I don't think any callbacks, yes, you know, and
you know in that sort of sense, I don't think
that necessarily I think you need to even be I mean,
nowadays you've got.

Speaker 20 (44:30):
To be sacer forward.

Speaker 2 (44:30):
You can get sort of shadow band without it actually.

Speaker 21 (44:32):
Be efficient as well.

Speaker 20 (44:35):
And I'm not a fan of that.

Speaker 2 (44:36):
I do think that just because something is not for you,
it doesn't mean you need to go and make it
an outright sort of you know a thing for everybody.
And so I'm I'm sort of into minds about the
whole conversation myself. But again I do think the way
it was handled leads me to think that it was
it was not the best way to do it.

Speaker 3 (44:55):
Really appreciate your called Tollan, thank you for that. Peter's Marcus.

Speaker 16 (44:58):
Good evening anyway, Marcus, you know, I'm a disappointed at
the greyhound racing being stopped today. There's a lot of things,
uh there this country is getting two pc.

Speaker 3 (45:08):
Pc gone mad.

Speaker 16 (45:11):
Yeah, I reckon it has. It's like a lot of
things I've been over running on the balls and papoline
and all that sort of stuff. There's no difference. They
still have fox racing in England, you know, the the
Royal family does that. Yeah, they hunt foxes and stuff,
you know. And horse racing there is no difference. The
jockeys are hitting their horses, they make them go faster.

Speaker 11 (45:31):
You know.

Speaker 16 (45:31):
If there's a lot of most of those people that
have those greyhounds, no look half of them. Can't tell
me that the guys that's reading the greyhounds not looking
out for their animals. That happens. That's just the way
it is. Another industry is part of that industry, and
I reckon when he needs I reckon when he's been
a cunning on this one. He's looking out for the
horse industry very well. He's going to stay overseas.

Speaker 3 (45:54):
Hey, the dogs break their legs on the bends. That
seems to be the concern. It seems it seems to
be dangerous for as seems to be dangerous for the dogs.

Speaker 16 (46:10):
Yeah, but it's a breed. It's like you say, I've
listened to a lot of this today, what's going on here,
and they love it. That's that's the breed. They love
chasing those whatever they put in the front of them,
when they put on those things that goes around that rail,
so they go for They love that. It's the breed
of that animal. You know, they enjoy it. They it's
like you and I will get out of bed to
do something. It's for them. So they're going to have

(46:31):
all these dogs that are going to be hopefully they're
going to get our home, so they'll be around home,
hoping around people going to work. So what's the difference, pouty,
cruelty terrify You look at that way as well.

Speaker 3 (46:43):
So you're saying, if you've got a greyhound that's a
live it's safer, it's more humane for it to race
than just sit around in someone's backyard or when they're
at work all day.

Speaker 16 (46:53):
I reckon, that's the breed of the animal, you know,
it's it's like pig dogs, and it's they go out there.
That's what they do. They chase pigs. You know, it's
it's in their blood. And you can't go around stopping
everything this country is getting. They're still doing in the
U they're still doing it. And oh you Zealand Pete, Pete
too as well.

Speaker 3 (47:11):
Pete, you're not quite right about this still doing in
the US the and you in the United States, the
number of greyhound racing tricks has gone from about one
hundred to two. The sport has died very very dramatically.

Speaker 16 (47:26):
Yeah, okay, that's all not doing. But still I listened
today that on the radio day they're still doing it
somewhere on the don't how many places.

Speaker 3 (47:33):
There's two places. There's one in Florida, and they're doing
it in Australia, Ireland and England.

Speaker 11 (47:40):
Yeah.

Speaker 16 (47:40):
Well look in England they do and they taste foxes,
said they take the foxes too, you know, they haven't
been and stuff. But the end of the day, that
you just think about the horse racing when he doesn't
mind that jockey's hitting the hitting the horses thing to
get taken, get a win.

Speaker 3 (47:53):
Have you ever been have you ever been.

Speaker 16 (47:57):
To the to the greyhound racing?

Speaker 11 (47:59):
Now?

Speaker 16 (47:59):
I have not known why I've seen it. I've seen
it on you know you tree and stuff like that.
I don't know what they do, but they not actually
been to a no groundhout. You said one here and
you and you blum a for years ago you said
one that goes down. They closed it down. Years ago
we did. We did actually have a greathound race track

(48:20):
here and you plumbre years.

Speaker 3 (48:21):
Ago inside the inside the race track up there by
the park.

Speaker 16 (48:28):
No, I don't think it was there enough there somewhere
else and I can't like if you look at it,
you probably find where it was. I'm not too sure.
But we did ever we did ever a tracky for them,
probably going back twenty thirty years ago now, but at
least thirty years ago we did have one track here,
but I reckon it just shut things down and shut
things down. Of course the greens that they clapping their hands,
they'll shut everything down. But they have asked to riding.

Speaker 3 (48:49):
Donkeys are there, do we But surely if they're shutting
down anything involving animals, they would never riding donkeys.

Speaker 16 (48:57):
I don't know. I just want the Greens do I
just ignore them because they want The Greens have got
a place in the world, but they just go over
the top.

Speaker 3 (49:04):
You should vote for them. You should vote for them.
Oh just what, you don't vote?

Speaker 16 (49:14):
I vote all the time, all the time.

Speaker 8 (49:16):
I vote, lose my vote?

Speaker 3 (49:18):
Now you shot? You should have se a guess that
I voted for because that would be the least surprising
thing in the world that you've voted for Wood. Where'd
you vote for him?

Speaker 16 (49:30):
He's had a big guy, but he can be a
bit one eyed. Listen, when are you can be a
bit one eyed?

Speaker 3 (49:38):
Thanks Pete. I am just counting on the Wikipedia pace.
It did seem to be about one hundred dog racing
places in America. There were a lot in Florida, but
they've all just gone and died very very quickly. So
this is the world is getting out of dog racing.
I think in Australia the only racing New South Wales,

(49:59):
and that's probably because I'm sure, I am sure that
the Thoroughbred people dog racing because I see there's been
beneath them and they call them the dish licause they
look down on them. AM absolutely positive about that, and
so it's no surprise that the Thoroughbreds are surviving. So

(50:29):
greyhound racing is legal in Australia apart from ACT. I
don't know how many tracks there are, well, there's quite
a few. There's twenty seven venues in New South Wales,
there's one in Northern Territories, about ten in Queensland. There's

(50:53):
even five in Tasmania. They're mad for it, good evening markets.
Marcus welcome is having trouble, yeah, Marcus.

Speaker 6 (51:04):
Welcome, Yes, hello, just talking dogs.

Speaker 3 (51:10):
Thank you for calling.

Speaker 6 (51:15):
I'm a recent dish dog owner. Although I've always loved dogs,
they seem to me that whatever they're bred for they
absolutely adored. It's all they love to do. And a
lot of our dogs here, of course, are well, mainly
from England. I guess my dogs have originated from there,

(51:37):
and they just they breed for certain things and whatever
they're bred for, they just love to do it. It's
all they want to do. You can't train them to
be you know.

Speaker 3 (51:47):
Mark, Mark, when you say you've got dogs. You've got greyhounds,
have you?

Speaker 11 (51:52):
No?

Speaker 6 (51:52):
I haven't. I don't know very much about greyhounds. I've
met a couple that have been the nicest dogs as
a pet. I believe they're a wonderful dog, Fairly easy
maintenance too. They need a bit of a sprint once
a day and mean that that's their fact.

Speaker 3 (52:09):
Well, I think probably as a breed, they're going to
hang around because people do seem to love them, and
they've sought after in America.

Speaker 6 (52:18):
I've never fancied one myself because they're kind of a
little fragileish. I think maybe, yeah, you know, not saying
any all dogs are great dogs. The ones i've met,
like being the greyhound with it or with it cross dogs,
really really nice dogs personality, and but they're made to

(52:41):
hunt things, you know. They chase after things and catch them.
That's why they're so good at racing them, I guess.
And I don't know anything about greyhound racing. I assume
that they would look after the dogs, but I reckon
the dogs would really like to chase their things, and
that's what they want to do. You've bought a collie

(53:05):
lives to herd sheep and they're not herding sheep, they
get into serious trouble and you know the rest of
the population that even when they're out, you know, in
city life, they're looking to heard everything.

Speaker 3 (53:21):
So I guess that the whole thing about we have
these dogs, we use them as pets with domesticated them,
then do you have to do things that are significant
to the nets. But I don't know the things that
they love doing.

Speaker 6 (53:32):
My dogs when't like that. I live in the city
and I've got them primarily as well. It's a long
story that I wound up with these two dogs. There's
pets my life life, and my life couldn't be without them,
you know. But they their breed is actually a pig
dog and neardale cross.

Speaker 18 (53:51):
You know with it.

Speaker 6 (53:53):
And even though they're civilized, we're going to do Aukland
things like go to cafes and restaurants that a dog friendly,
and they hang out with other dogs when they get
in the bush. Me they just with the girls. Fish man.
She just goes and goes. She'll catch big nasty pigs.

Speaker 3 (54:16):
Golive it there, Mart, Thanks so much for your call.
The number is eight hundred and eighty thirtyan nineteen nine
to text looking forward to what you've got to say.
Someone said the Taraniki you dog racing was an Egmont village,
but I can't find any sign of that. But you
might be right. Looking forward to hearing from your eight
hundred eighty thirty nineteen nine two de text Michael good Evening.

Speaker 21 (54:38):
Heka, Marcus, Hey, just a quick call. I'm not going
to judge or make anything like that, but we're bearing
the great hand racing. What about the bullfighting and Spain
and Columbia, that's just like an extreme and that's still
legal there, And I don't know what other people's comments

(55:00):
are on that. I've been to the old bullfight in
Columbia and it's pretty brutal. Any comment on.

Speaker 3 (55:08):
That, Well, obviously, we have no jurisdiction over what people
do in other countries, and I think no one would
want I think everyone would be approved, would approve of that,
wouldn't they. We've got our own sovereignty.

Speaker 8 (55:19):
You know.

Speaker 21 (55:19):
I understand that it's their own, their own country, their
own jurisdictions.

Speaker 8 (55:25):
Yeah.

Speaker 21 (55:25):
I just want to sort of put a few things
in perspective on how we how we look at at
the world and the way we treat each other and
animals and that we live with. So I just want
to put that out there.

Speaker 18 (55:38):
Really.

Speaker 3 (55:39):
Yeah, well, I mean I guess the only thing we
can do is if we're not into that does not
support it. I mean, there's bull fighting, there's all sorts
of stuff, isn't there?

Speaker 22 (55:46):
What was that?

Speaker 8 (55:47):
Sorry?

Speaker 3 (55:47):
I guess you know, other countries have a culture of
bullfighting and things. Oh, I think it's probably the support
is diminished.

Speaker 21 (55:55):
Yeah, I can't comment on that.

Speaker 9 (55:56):
Yeah did you we did?

Speaker 3 (55:59):
You got to bull fighting in Colombia? Did you?

Speaker 23 (56:02):
Yes?

Speaker 11 (56:02):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (56:04):
Yeah.

Speaker 21 (56:04):
It was a big arena. I was going to say
like the coliseum, but it wasn't. But it was a
like a stadium stadium with teared tared seats. It was
oval round and it was a whole nine yards, a
whole you compen ceremony, and the the horses come in
first with all their they're going. Then they had I
was going to say clowns, but not really clowns that

(56:26):
just sort of eed things on, and then the matador
comes out and the crowd cheers especially it would say
a well known meta door.

Speaker 2 (56:35):
Did you enjoyed it?

Speaker 3 (56:36):
What did you enjoy? It was a bit for long?

Speaker 21 (56:39):
Yeah, good comment. I didn't really know what to expect.
So I won't say I enjoyed it, but it was.
It wasn't an eye opener. Yeah, did I enjoy it, No,
it was. I was pretty numb about it actually, to
be honest. The crowd just like a big soccer crowd
in England or something like that. But yeah, it was.

Speaker 23 (57:04):
It was.

Speaker 21 (57:05):
I was gonna say entry, but I just wanted to
put that in to perspective why it's not going to
do anything or change any of our laws. And I
know we're talking about other countries.

Speaker 5 (57:15):
They have their own.

Speaker 21 (57:16):
Rules on laws on history. But yeah, just as I
said to you at the start, I just wanted.

Speaker 8 (57:22):
To put that out there.

Speaker 3 (57:24):
Appreciate that, Michael, thank you. The number is eight hundred
and eighty to eighty nine nine two to text. So
the dog racing, gee friends, that guy saying that he
went to bullfighting didn't really know what to expect. Here'sil Midnight.

(57:48):
My name is Mircus. Welcome, Oh eight hundred and eighty Todaddy,
hype it up.

Speaker 13 (57:52):
Yeah, MICUs, I'm talking about the dogs and Punda and
the owner of a couple of thorough breads and there's
a bit Joe had twenty two, twenty three emails and
different people since Winston. Maybe his announcement the firstnoon. I

(58:17):
don't think Winston's thoughtless true.

Speaker 3 (58:21):
Hang on, Peter, Peter, I'm just going to ask you
some questions, right, yeah, when you say you own a
couple of thorough breeds, are you talking about thoroughbred dogs?

Speaker 11 (58:30):
Now?

Speaker 13 (58:30):
Yella us?

Speaker 3 (58:31):
Okay, okay, okay? Have you owned dogs?

Speaker 24 (58:35):
Yeah?

Speaker 13 (58:35):
I owned a dog a couple of years ago.

Speaker 3 (58:40):
And he won four So when you were in the war,
got home, Peter, when you own a dog? Right?

Speaker 13 (58:50):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (58:51):
Is that dog your pit?

Speaker 12 (58:54):
No?

Speaker 13 (58:54):
Well no, he was trained by a person in the
White Kidow Okay, And I went and watched him rake,
I knew who he is, so I didn't.

Speaker 3 (59:04):
He didn't live with you. He lived at the guy's
at the White Cuddo.

Speaker 13 (59:07):
Is that right?

Speaker 12 (59:08):
Yep?

Speaker 25 (59:09):
Okay?

Speaker 26 (59:10):
And how.

Speaker 3 (59:12):
How many dog did the guy have?

Speaker 11 (59:15):
Uh?

Speaker 13 (59:17):
He had sixty?

Speaker 3 (59:19):
Okay, Well that sounds pretty full on.

Speaker 13 (59:22):
Yeah, he was a big trainer.

Speaker 3 (59:24):
How much How much a week would you pay for
him to train your dog? I guess might it would
be food, wouldn't it?

Speaker 11 (59:31):
Yeah?

Speaker 13 (59:31):
Then it was? And trust me, say, say three hundred
a week? Two hundred a week.

Speaker 3 (59:41):
It's pricey.

Speaker 13 (59:43):
Yeah, no, that's cheap.

Speaker 3 (59:45):
Okay, it's cheap.

Speaker 26 (59:47):
Compared to the galloping game that's only two days if
your lucky, and the galloping game.

Speaker 3 (59:56):
Okay.

Speaker 26 (59:58):
I don't think Winston thought this through. Every I've said,
scene is we know where our votes not going next election.

Speaker 3 (01:00:15):
So I thought I thought there'd be a disconnect. So
people that are into thoroughbreds, they also support dog racing,
Oh yeah, okay.

Speaker 13 (01:00:27):
They for the racing.

Speaker 26 (01:00:28):
Winston hasn't thought this scene, and none of the racing
people have put him in to where he is now.

Speaker 3 (01:00:37):
Again, I agree, I think it's compumicated.

Speaker 26 (01:00:44):
He's basically should on the racing scene. Every email I've
read from different people today.

Speaker 3 (01:00:55):
How many emails have you got?

Speaker 13 (01:00:57):
Twenty five? And one was from the stunt matter?

Speaker 3 (01:01:07):
Okay, and what happened? How long did your dog race for?

Speaker 8 (01:01:15):
Uh tournament?

Speaker 5 (01:01:17):
Yes?

Speaker 3 (01:01:21):
And how much? How much stakes did it collect?

Speaker 13 (01:01:26):
He won?

Speaker 26 (01:01:27):
Now that's not nine grand oh yeah yeah, but he
did attend in a lege and he came back and
we got that treated and he came back, but he
wasn't the same dog. So we decided to retire him
and he went to a lovely home. Okay, and he

(01:01:50):
still looked after the lady, the only lady that's got
it down.

Speaker 13 (01:01:54):
Just treasured them.

Speaker 26 (01:01:56):
Okay, she's to bring him to the races, to the
dogs races, you know.

Speaker 5 (01:02:02):
Wow.

Speaker 3 (01:02:04):
So because it made nine grand and it costs ten
grand a year to keep.

Speaker 24 (01:02:10):
Yeah, roughly.

Speaker 13 (01:02:13):
Even.

Speaker 26 (01:02:14):
Yeah, that's a way I didn't make any.

Speaker 2 (01:02:16):
Money out of.

Speaker 3 (01:02:17):
Yeah, Okay, appreciate that great pet. Thanks for answering the question, Peter.
I found it interesting. Do you think they'll come for
the racing pigeons. It's a fair question, isn't it. But yeah,

(01:02:38):
I kind of I guess in some ways, I kind
of thought that these people might own the dogs and
they train them at the beach during the week and
they'd race them. But when you have sixty at a
kind of a race dog farm, I think probably, and
I say this without embarrassment, I think a lot of

(01:03:01):
my knowledge of dog racing has probably come from reading
and cap cartoons as a child, A great cartoon series
of that guy in Northern England that owned dogs race dogs,
And I think that's kind of where dog racing came from,
is the north of England, and that sort of seemed
to be one of those working class sports that people

(01:03:22):
got involved with. But there we go. It's on its
way out. Even though they decided to get the industry
together and clean it up. They even built a straight
race course. I've watched the whippet coursing that guy told
me about. There's still running around corners there doing sharp turns.

(01:03:46):
I guess he's more room than on a racetrack. So
that's what we're on about tonight. There'll be some great texts.
There always is not as good as the emails. Winston
will be getting Marcus. Sorry if I'm off some object.
I'm listening an hour behind with on Demand. We know

(01:04:10):
who else is listing an hour behind, don't we. I
look forward to new animal friendly events in the future,
such as pantomime Horse of the Year. Can't wait, Corolla.
We watched the greyhound racing and foging to be back
in the August, fascinating. All the dogs look pretty happy,
Peter Marcus. I've followed dog racing since the sixties. Haven't

(01:04:32):
seen a broken leg on the bend yet, Marcus. Let's
get rid of a quest at the Olympics. Horses would
be very happy. Cheers John John John. Yeah, what's crazy
taking those horses and planes all that way?

Speaker 9 (01:04:49):
That will go?

Speaker 3 (01:04:50):
I would think over time, well, that's sad for us,
because I'm sure we're just worried about how many medals
we get. Though we haven't gone so well lately at
the Old Equestrian, have we. I'm not quite sure what
went on there. Maybe it's all about the horse. Gary,

(01:05:13):
Good evening, it's Marcus, welcome here.

Speaker 18 (01:05:16):
Yeah, mate, you're right we Gary. I knew this would
be a hot top of tonight, so I raised a
few greyhounds. I have a cut in christ Church with
with my trainer who's a good friend of mine, and
his partner. The big picture here is right, okay, So
say the grayhound racing industry ends in two years, al right,

(01:05:39):
where do these dogs go? Who's going to pay for them?
The trainers ain't going to be able to afford to
pay for them.

Speaker 11 (01:05:47):
Do you know?

Speaker 18 (01:05:48):
I want to give you some facts that cost the
greyhound rare homing industry en z GRA seven million dollars
last year for the rehoming programs. So what that means
is a dog finished its career, it will go into
a raham and kennel to a view of getting fostered
out to a member of the public or a friendly.

(01:06:11):
It will get trained to be kept friendly and other
pet friendly in the household. So, as I said, who's
going to pay when the industry finishes? There will be
is the government gonna is the government gonna stuck stump
up seven or eight million dollars for this of the
greyhounds life? So who's going to pay? Or the SBA,

(01:06:35):
sb c A going to have a massive color and
greyhounds and then the tree huggers as I put it,
or they just allow these dogs to be put down.

Speaker 13 (01:06:53):
There.

Speaker 3 (01:06:53):
Yeah, look up area. Did you expect this?

Speaker 18 (01:06:58):
I had, I had in England, but I didn't think.
I didn't think it'd be that stupid, because as I said,
there's a massive the greyhound industry is under a lot
of pressure. They've done your best, sure, these injuries, but
who you know seven million dollars last year for the

(01:07:19):
for the rehome I'm hearing you. You've got people working
in the industry, You've got people working as a day
to day job forty to fifty hours a week. So
not only are those people going to lose their jobs,
who's going to pay?

Speaker 24 (01:07:35):
Do you know.

Speaker 18 (01:07:37):
I'm going to be happy to pay.

Speaker 3 (01:07:38):
Do you know how many people are involved working in
the industry.

Speaker 18 (01:07:43):
There would probably be at least a couple of thousand
really well so, so those people lose their jobs market
as the government going to put.

Speaker 7 (01:07:54):
Him on the dolls?

Speaker 3 (01:07:55):
Hey, do you know also, right how much money went
across the tab for dog racing and whether that was
growing or it was I mean, was it was the
betting side of it growing or was it static or
was it decreasing.

Speaker 18 (01:08:12):
It's going back to probably five or six years ago
when the thoroughbred industry was in trouble. The greyhound industry
lent the thoroughbred money to keep a float. Is one
hundred million dollar payout coming in the next and the
next probably six weeks to two months with the new
gaming laws. And do you think do you think the

(01:08:34):
trots and the gallops want the greyhounds to survive because
they'll just do the biggest I.

Speaker 3 (01:08:39):
Don't think they do want them to survive. That would
be mine exactly.

Speaker 18 (01:08:42):
They don't want them to survive because the trots and
the gallups just want a bigger piece of the pie.
And unfortunately, there's a lot of people involved in this
game that are going to lose their livelihoods with this
decision today?

Speaker 3 (01:08:57):
Where is it mainly a South Island thing too? Is
it that I'm sensing there's some of that too, that
it's sort of would that be your take on it
that it's is it bigger than the South Island? That's
kind of where it's come from. A.

Speaker 18 (01:09:09):
Well, there's a lot more. There's a lot there's a
lot more dogs in the South Island and than there
is in the North.

Speaker 3 (01:09:15):
Okay, I appreciate that, Gary, Thank you. So many different
aspects to this. Will grehand rac and go underground because
people that love dogs and have ways of training, Oh
I'll race your dog, you know, I'll meet you here,
we'll go toe to toe, and then people start gambling
on it. I'm sure. I'm sure the sport won't go away,

(01:09:37):
and also to its South Island sport. As Gary said,
a lot of people involved with it. And you know
what these people are like that are involved in a passion.
They've spent their whole lives with it. So they're not
going to suddenly retrain, are they. So yeah, I think
it's a really it's quite a complex problem. A lot

(01:10:02):
of dogs to be rehomed. Funny enough, it's Winston's. That's
Winston that's announced it and people are blaming the Greens
three huggers. Marcus would straight line racing minimize the injury risk.

(01:10:25):
That was the idea of straight line racing. Just so
you know, need it's Marcus. Good evening, I need Mars
Yeah you need Yeah.

Speaker 27 (01:10:37):
Yeah, listen mt the go Ahead racing in the late
fifties were they out of a Whitworth park in Sydney
and my name and next door used to have racing
a couple of dogs, Tom was his name, and the
hurdlers were bigger than what the racing dogs were and
they were real sucks.

Speaker 3 (01:11:00):
So they quite often had hurdles that went with park
for the dogs.

Speaker 27 (01:11:02):
Did they Yeah, no, they yused have hurdles there and
the dogs were hurdled, were a bit bigger than what
the racing dogs were.

Speaker 3 (01:11:12):
And the rabbit would go over the hurdles too.

Speaker 4 (01:11:15):
No, they'd run down the side underneath it the hurdles around.
They still went around on the like on the track
and they'd go over the hurdles.

Speaker 3 (01:11:29):
Unbelievable.

Speaker 27 (01:11:30):
The dogs just go over the hurdles.

Speaker 3 (01:11:33):
So that's in the nineteen fifties.

Speaker 27 (01:11:36):
That's the late fifties, mate.

Speaker 3 (01:11:39):
And they had a tote there or that was just bookmakers.

Speaker 27 (01:11:42):
That was that was bookies, Yes of them in the
pub he had they had all over the place.

Speaker 3 (01:11:48):
Je did you did your neighbors dogs do any good?

Speaker 15 (01:11:53):
Oh?

Speaker 27 (01:11:54):
They come third a couple of times like a bit
of money.

Speaker 11 (01:11:59):
Got on.

Speaker 3 (01:11:59):
You need nice to hear from you. I think it
still goes with with Bagnets the Showcase. I know we're
mean with us just by Paramot you have been there, okay,
but yeah, the Ausies are made for the dogs. I
guess that shows kind of where they've come from. Sneak
glebe ben ats Marcus good evening.

Speaker 10 (01:12:25):
Yeah, you're all the script one a few years back
in so you.

Speaker 3 (01:12:34):
You phoned your kind of been you're all for I'm
all for.

Speaker 10 (01:12:38):
This greyhound being okay, Yeah, until a few years ago
passed away. Yeah, they don't last it long. I think
my one was nearly teen years over in the past.
They're not going to last for thing twenty years. But
they're great dogs. The only problem is like I'd begin

(01:13:00):
to take on another one or two, but the adoptions
is like I'm wondering if those adoption fees now there,
if they're trying to get rid of that many, because
there's I think for memory's around about four hundred bucks,
and then plus you've got the dog registration, and then
the pen insurance is about The pen insurance is actually
quite high. It's about bet one hundred bucks a month.

(01:13:23):
And then you know you've got about thirty or forty
bucks for food a week, So it's it's you know,
that's not cheap.

Speaker 3 (01:13:32):
Are they more prone to needing insurance? And other dogs?
All dogs have insurance?

Speaker 10 (01:13:38):
No, well, there's only sitting dogs you can get insurance
that you can't get insurance with balls, and that most
insurance companies won't insure them. But like greatunds, there's just
more prone to breaking the leagues and stuff like that.
And so yeah, the pet insurance is actually probably double
what it was for Memory. It's about what it was
if you had like foxterial.

Speaker 8 (01:13:59):
Or something like that.

Speaker 10 (01:14:00):
Okay, so and then by the time you include that
pending the thirty bucks registration and then I'm not these ones,
I'd say they probably would all be mocktorshipped and desexed
and vaccinated and that. But if not there's a big
experience there, so it's you know, like depending on how
they're going to do it, you might be looking at,

(01:14:22):
you know, up to a thousand bucks for your first
year plus just starting it being the.

Speaker 3 (01:14:28):
Way it used to be. How old are greyhounds normally
when they were tired? Are they four or five?

Speaker 12 (01:14:34):
Yeah?

Speaker 10 (01:14:34):
And they like majority of them well passed before they're
even twelve, you know, like they do have a hard life.
They like I said, one was about ten whenute passed.
I got on when it was about I think four
and a half. So it's not a huge amount of
time you're heading them. To be honest, I'd prefer a

(01:14:56):
fox terior or something you know that's killed off until
it's about fifteen or something.

Speaker 9 (01:15:01):
M Okay, that's the only issue.

Speaker 10 (01:15:04):
But if they're way you doc from peace and they're
all vaccinated DC extend might be tipped then year I'd
be keen on taking them. It's just a pet insurance,
you know, Like after my first dog, I definitely go
for pet insurance. It's just not worth not having it.

Speaker 3 (01:15:23):
Yeah, Okay, just Sidney. Comparison between that and horse racing.

Speaker 10 (01:15:30):
Well, they're the only comparison I can make.

Speaker 11 (01:15:32):
Is.

Speaker 10 (01:15:33):
I'm pretty sure Winston Peters has a you know, he's
part owner and a few horses, so maybe there's something
to do with But.

Speaker 3 (01:15:40):
Are you someone that would want horse racing? But I'm
just trying to work out what people that are excited
about this would also be wanting horse racing to end.

Speaker 10 (01:15:49):
No, I'm sort of you know, I'm all four horse racing.
You know, I'm all for even going and riding a
horse out on the farm and there.

Speaker 9 (01:15:56):
I don't no issue with that.

Speaker 10 (01:15:57):
But greatounds are different.

Speaker 3 (01:15:58):
Aime, tell me how it's different.

Speaker 8 (01:16:02):
Well, just the.

Speaker 10 (01:16:04):
I don't know if it's still happy to be a
lot of unreported gifts. You know, there's a lot of
dogs an counting for and knew that they were just
getting put down because they weren't up to stretch or
they weren't going to make.

Speaker 3 (01:16:19):
That's certainly true. There were reports of of dogs being yeah,
of pits of dead dogs and stuff like that. There
was there were grim stories there.

Speaker 10 (01:16:30):
Yeah, And I just think, you know, horses a bit
hard to dispose of a horse work any especially if
araby about any one knowing anything. So yeah, it's probably
the difference.

Speaker 3 (01:16:41):
Do you think in fifty years time there's to be
horse racing.

Speaker 10 (01:16:45):
I don't know. I seriously doubt that it would be
in a fifty years time.

Speaker 3 (01:16:52):
It seems like there's all sorts of other forms of
gambling that people can go with. I mean, once upon
a time there was just the rac and there were
no casinos, there was no lotto, there was no online gambling.
Now there's so many options for a day.

Speaker 12 (01:17:03):
Yeah.

Speaker 10 (01:17:04):
Well, the only thing problem we can say and offers
on these breed gray and racing, I'm tricks and that
they do a lot of fundraising as well, and it
gets local charity, isn't there so just worrys you know,
the local charities might mysse out on a bit of
dough due to it.

Speaker 3 (01:17:20):
Okay, appreciate you coming through, Ben, Thanks for that. We're
talking greyhounds. Also, the super marks are going to get
serious about the supermacs, I hope, so supermarkets with prices
on the shelf, not mentioning the prices that the tel
happens all the time. Marcus read the greyhound racing. Man,
is it going to be finished in twenty months? Question mark?
Our old dog's going to be rehomed as rescue dogs?
Question Mark, No more? Breeding question mark, and all business

(01:17:42):
owners to face todle lots of income and needed to
do to unemployment for their living question mark. If you
are involved, give me a call. If your dog going
to give me a call of just want a comment,
give me a call to Marcus Welcome.

Speaker 22 (01:17:53):
Are you there?

Speaker 3 (01:17:54):
Yeah, Hi, greetings, welcome.

Speaker 22 (01:17:57):
I'm just trying out about Winston Peters. I'm glad he's
that his retired. It's because I think he'll be out
of an extelection. A lot of oldly people support racing
and they're like a gamble and getting rid of greyhound racing.
I think he'll go the same way. He'll be getting
not their next election. So my votes supported the last

(01:18:20):
three elections. Wabey's apporting him next time, do you?

Speaker 8 (01:18:25):
I mean?

Speaker 3 (01:18:25):
Because Winston is very much pro horse racing. He's very
much involved with the horse racing lobby, so I think
most people would see him as being a great advocate
for horse racing, just not dog racing.

Speaker 11 (01:18:42):
Yeah.

Speaker 22 (01:18:42):
Well, I'm for all racing. I'm been a gamber since
I was four years old, and I've supported Winston the
last three elections, and I think he's gone down the
wrong tracking. I think that clown and the act party
is the same. They might both be gone. Luxon might
be on his own next selection, and I hope he
can improve things.

Speaker 3 (01:19:01):
Have you been an attended and been involved with the dogs.

Speaker 22 (01:19:04):
Well, I'm a bit old to go there now, but
I still have a bet on them. I bet on
a horse that's a dog, that's a real good dog,
and I can follow him and he has a good career.
That way you can make a little bit of money.
Otherwise a bit hard to follow sometimes. I used to
go to Manikow and even when the equalized day to

(01:19:26):
days when they didn't have betting, my father used to
go to the TUNEU meeting every week and I'd be
dragged along as well, but we were still interested in
the racing hang on and the breeding hang on.

Speaker 3 (01:19:41):
Can you explain to me, even in the equalizator days,
what does that mean?

Speaker 22 (01:19:46):
That means that you went along if you didn't have
a bet, you just got a number. You didn't have
to be able to put money on the race. We
were just racing by dogs themselves. Really, most of the
people didn't have a bet, and not many even bought
the tickets for the number. You just got a lot
of a number and wasn't really betting.

Speaker 3 (01:20:05):
And you randomly got a number and if that number came.

Speaker 22 (01:20:09):
In you got you were you've got to win a Yeah,
that went on for about twenty years. I know my
dad went up there and he used to be a
few greyhounds and Michael had had a greyhound.

Speaker 3 (01:20:23):
So say there were eight dogs in a race, right,
and you paid a dollar and then at a number
and then you'd get eight dollars if it one. Is
that rather take some commission to take some cut? Would they?

Speaker 22 (01:20:36):
I don't know what the cut was, but you got
something back if you've got the lucky number, but you
didn't pick the number, you got a lot of the number.

Speaker 3 (01:20:42):
Okay, sounds like that was there for twenty years.

Speaker 22 (01:20:46):
That was up We went there originally, Okay.

Speaker 28 (01:20:51):
I always want to.

Speaker 3 (01:20:52):
I always wonder what an equalizator was. So yeah, kumio right,
the race course there for at.

Speaker 22 (01:20:59):
Least twenty years. Were they came in with betting on
racing out Where was it.

Speaker 14 (01:21:06):
Our petunia?

Speaker 22 (01:21:07):
There was a trek up there we used to go to.
I don't know where I was called or not, but
I was only young at the time.

Speaker 3 (01:21:13):
But was it my it wasn't an existing racecourse like
they often have, was it.

Speaker 12 (01:21:19):
Oh?

Speaker 22 (01:21:19):
They had their own little race track, great greathound race track.
It was there for over twenty years and nineteen fifties.

Speaker 13 (01:21:26):
Do you know what?

Speaker 3 (01:21:26):
Do you know what road it was on?

Speaker 20 (01:21:29):
No?

Speaker 22 (01:21:29):
I don't know. I was only a kid and I
can't remember. I remember going up the time and time again.

Speaker 11 (01:21:34):
My dad was very.

Speaker 22 (01:21:35):
Interested in the greyhound racing. And although there was no
gambling on it, did.

Speaker 3 (01:21:39):
They get many turning out? Did they get many tuning
up for it?

Speaker 12 (01:21:43):
Oh?

Speaker 22 (01:21:43):
They get a few hundred or a thousand or so.
We you know, quite a good crowd actually. And another
thing I'd like to point out is over three hundred
horses a week killed in New Zealand. That's I record that.

Speaker 3 (01:21:59):
I tried to get some figures about that today, but
I couldn't see those.

Speaker 11 (01:22:02):
Yeah.

Speaker 22 (01:22:03):
So just over three hundred horses a week, mother than
going into pet food, some of them race horses. And
then they had the Brumberies down and out they killed
two thousand of them. I don't see anybody complaining about that.

Speaker 3 (01:22:16):
Hang on, hang on, tim. A lot of people are
extremely passionate about the chimnible horses and they are all
sorted out.

Speaker 22 (01:22:22):
Now, so I know one year they over two thousand.

Speaker 3 (01:22:27):
Yeah, but they've got that sort it out now, they've
got the numbers down there. They are beloved.

Speaker 22 (01:22:31):
Yeah, hang on, Like they say, cruelty to animals. I
worked in the meat industry all my life. And you
go there and see the fear of the animals, the screens,
screaming of the patents and the screeching, and the cattle
they know they're going to die. And all these greenee
should go there and visit a meat works and see
what cruelty really is. They must be all vegans.

Speaker 3 (01:22:53):
This is Winston. This is not the Greenies.

Speaker 22 (01:22:56):
Yeah, I know, but the Greenies the ones that are
supporting him and applauding his actions.

Speaker 3 (01:23:02):
Yeah, well, hey Tom yep, could you start racing dogs
with an equalizator once it's banned.

Speaker 22 (01:23:13):
I don't know, you have to look at the law.
I don't know what the government does. They do a
lot of sunny things. Another thing I'd like to point
out is the Kiwi Bank. They're trying to.

Speaker 3 (01:23:26):
Privatizing get by getting five or a million from the private. Well,
that's privatizing kee We Bank. But I'm going to put
that aside because there'll be a boring get What they should.

Speaker 22 (01:23:34):
Do is put a couple of billion into it and
put on equal standing with the Australian banks. I think
New Zealanders would support it and probably in a few
years it would have fifty percent of our trade sometimes
the money going to Australia.

Speaker 3 (01:23:47):
Sometimes when people spring up talk back and say I've
voted for Winston the last three times, I questioned them.

Speaker 22 (01:23:53):
Have you really yes, I have yep. They made a
lot of lies about him for the National Party, and
he went to court and won the court case, and
I voted to get him back into power because he
was He's done a lot of good, especially for older people.

Speaker 9 (01:24:07):
People like that.

Speaker 3 (01:24:08):
Okay, So you he had voted for him, yep, yep.

Speaker 22 (01:24:10):
And he brought up the wine box when he first
started and got all the criminals who were taking the
money out of.

Speaker 3 (01:24:18):
And I think, why do you vote for the last
three lections? Sound like you should have been voting for
the last thirty elections.

Speaker 22 (01:24:24):
Well, well, I voted Labor up till eighty four. When
the Labor Party went crooked with Douglas and Longie, they
went off the rails there and then I voted for
Jim Mannerton who was the only man of the poses
sale and then giving away of all our assets. And
then when he died, I voted for Winston Peters. And

(01:24:45):
I was in the Labor Party up to eighty four
and took an active part in it, supporting Norman Kirk
and our great minister work. So, Hugh what probably the
greatest minister works in my lifetime. And I think Norman
Kirk was our greatest prime minister in my lifetime too.
Outstanding men.

Speaker 3 (01:25:03):
Okay, I can't believe there was it racecourse at Cameo.

Speaker 22 (01:25:08):
Oh do you look up the records and you'll find
there was. And I was a regular visitor, unfortunately not
always wilfully, but my old man went up there.

Speaker 3 (01:25:18):
He wouldn't be crooked with gambling. It was just a
totaliz I just an equalizer.

Speaker 4 (01:25:21):
What do you.

Speaker 22 (01:25:24):
Yeah, he helped to bring a greyhound racing in. They
were trying to get into the gambling and I think
it took about twenty years to get it.

Speaker 3 (01:25:33):
Took a long time.

Speaker 12 (01:25:34):
Yeah.

Speaker 22 (01:25:35):
And my uncle read a few dogs and he had
a one called mister Fred that when he sold it,
one hold the big cups. He sold a bit early,
But I'm a great supporter racing. You got a horse racing.

Speaker 3 (01:25:50):
You got any comment on pigeons, bigger pattern pigeons.

Speaker 22 (01:25:57):
No, I don't get into pigeons, So.

Speaker 3 (01:26:00):
How come.

Speaker 22 (01:26:03):
I'm finally eating them, that's all.

Speaker 26 (01:26:05):
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (01:26:05):
If you can beat them pigeons, can you?

Speaker 8 (01:26:08):
No?

Speaker 22 (01:26:08):
I don't know. Sometimes they get lost, they always come home.

Speaker 3 (01:26:11):
Sometimes they end up walking home. That's heartbreaking. The guy
that had a pigeon and he couldn't find it about
a week later, it's walking up the street. Guy rug
This show talked about that. Found that heartbreaking. Find every
very interesting. Talking about the history of dog racing in
this country too, Yeah, yeah, equalize that. Yeah, of course
that's what they used to do, and they would have

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fought long and hard to get that into the whole thing,
so you might have some information out there. Also. I'd
like to know where the track was at Cumu and
what's there now? Yeah, I guess that's a good thing
about pigeon racing. You don't need a track. It was
on the main road coming into Cumu four eight nine

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main roaders left hand side of the Heart and Soul
Early Learning Center satellite image. You can almost see the track.
You're you're on the money. That's what I like to
see some and that's right on the money with that,
it says from Google Maps you can see it. I'm
all about that is Scotty Marcus welcome, Hi Scotty.

Speaker 11 (01:27:22):
Ok.

Speaker 23 (01:27:23):
The greyhound racing track if you google the Coumu Baptist.

Speaker 4 (01:27:27):
Church, oh next to the Bape's eh yep, and if
you can get an aerial shot of it.

Speaker 23 (01:27:33):
I'm looking at it now and you can actually see
the outline of the old greyhound racing track from an
aerial view.

Speaker 3 (01:27:38):
Flip. Isn't that amazing? The dogs the tracks will keep
kind of come your Baptist did? Were you involved with it?

Speaker 23 (01:27:45):
Or I remember vaguely going with my auntie and uncle
there about It would have been the nineteen seventies.

Speaker 3 (01:27:54):
Oh, you can see it quite clearly.

Speaker 23 (01:27:57):
Yeah, and you can still see it from the road
that state hiar sixteen.

Speaker 3 (01:28:01):
When you go past it will see the where's the
train carriage? That's what I'm alwaysing. No, that's long of it,
isn't it the train? Okay, it's very clear. In fact,
there's nothing that's done nothing with the track. It's just
in Farmland, isn't it.

Speaker 23 (01:28:12):
Yeah? Yeah, literally he has remained in Farmland. You can
see the outline of the track still from Statehowa sixteen.

Speaker 3 (01:28:19):
Yeah, because across the road there is a trotting track
that's I wondered about the Kumea District Trotting Club that's
just across the road.

Speaker 23 (01:28:28):
Yeah, no, it was definitely. It was on that right
beside the King of Baptist Church.

Speaker 3 (01:28:32):
I'll be going to the Coop. I'll be going to
the COMU show next year, so we're going to have
a looking at that. So you don't know when they're
their last race because it went to Monaco, didn't it.

Speaker 23 (01:28:42):
Oh yeah, I mean I remember vaguely, vaguely going here
as a young kid of my AUNTI and uncle. Would
have been the nineteen seventies.

Speaker 8 (01:28:51):
Many people early to mid I can't remember. I was just.

Speaker 3 (01:28:56):
And I appreciate you coming through to Scott. It's all
that I can hope for your love. A shot from
Google Earth when the race track is still there and
first day with the history of racing again ring in
this country, Marcus, can you please let Dave Campbell know
there is a vending machine on trade me. He's been
looking for one. I'd be listening to your show from Wade.

(01:29:20):
Now what sort of vending machine is it? Because I
think I might want one of those to sell drinks.
We're better than carry. Oh yeah, there was a vending machine.
There's more than one twelve grand or one for four grand, oh,

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twelve grand for three. There's quite a lot of vending
machines on there. I mean, what sort of vending machines
are looking for? We had one of those snack boxes
at our office, you know, just to tray with snacks.
Well you just buy my own and putting them in there,
and that became really sketchy really quickly. So yeah, I mean,

(01:30:11):
nothing's stopping. I was kind of farming out the real
estate just for the hell of it. Anyway, twenty six
to ten eleven, my name is Marcus, got evening where
I'm talking racing. I went to Mount Smart aftercom you,
of course it did really. Mount must have been at
Mount Smart because Mount Smart they were having football matches

(01:30:36):
in eighty two. They should bring that back, while I shouldn't.
They came because have been banned. They'd be good before.
The Warriors had a couple of dog races beforehand, so
who's got dogs? Who wants to race dogs? What about horses?
What about pigeons? Can you bet on pigeons? Will it
go underground because a lot of people, because a lot

(01:30:59):
of people have spent there. I would imagine a lot
of people have spent generations building up the right blood
lines and have a really valuable dog. I guess they
could sell them to Australia, could they? Or can you
quarantine forbids that? Do you want to talk about that?

Speaker 13 (01:31:16):
Also?

Speaker 3 (01:31:16):
I'm interested in all these things, but most what I'm
mainly interested is the equalizer, equalizator. What do you call equal? Totalizer? Total?
And yeah, totalizer and equal always been words that have
sort of challenged me. I've never heard them say say

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out loud anyway. Equalizator equalizator meaning meaning betting, means a
form of betting in which a number of persons been
on the outcome of a race, and which oh yeah,
very interesting, very interesting. Equalizator betting means a form of

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betting which a number of persons been on the outcome
of a race, and in which the sum of the
contribus bets except for the deductions are required.

Speaker 13 (01:32:08):
Might be made.

Speaker 3 (01:32:09):
Oh that's a bit different. Isn't it getting touch you
on talk one of thems Marcus HDD twelve twenty three
away from eleven Cumu had no idea there was dog
racing there, Marcus. I do hope there will be some there.
I do hope there will still be breeders of racing greyhounds.

(01:32:32):
As for people who want them for pets, it'd be
awful if they died out as a breed. Marcus. Yes, Marcus,
I've gone to the greyhound racing with my dad in
the seventies at the Kumu Track. I'm sure they used
a dead rabbit for the chase. Loved would have loved
to have gone, Marcus nineteen fifty to nineteen fifty three.

(01:32:53):
They've raisd an Olympic Park.

Speaker 13 (01:32:54):
U Lynn.

Speaker 3 (01:32:57):
Nineteen fifty four races is Tamicky Dairy property in O
Tara and Hue Pie raced at Kumu nineteen seventy six
to nineteen eighty two, none seventy six to ninety two
race amounts, Smart nineteen eighty two to ninety nine, race
at Claudland's Raceway in nineteen eighty nine to twenty twenty three,

(01:33:17):
raced at Monaco Stadium. So certainly moved around them, but
haven't they didn't know their Olympic Park, New Lynn, Marcus
in twenty is time. I reckon that comea trek would
be a great place for underground illegal races. I think
it'd be even more interested if it was illegal with
bookies and dark glasses everywhere with wards of cash. Well,
that's the right place for it, now what I'm saying
out west Auckland. Yep, it's the home of the wads

(01:33:43):
of cash in the top pocket. Marcus. Underground racing would
be a silly idea, would be expended all the tunnels
and keep it well. Thank you for that, good evening, Blair,
it's Marcus.

Speaker 5 (01:33:56):
Welcome, Welcome Marcus.

Speaker 24 (01:34:00):
I hear you have a little bit of a problem
between the difference of an equalizer betting system and a totalizer.

Speaker 3 (01:34:10):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I think you had to explain it
to me.

Speaker 24 (01:34:16):
Oh the best way I can. But back in the
would have been the early seventies, back in the days
of the beach races in Carterton. I don't know if
you know Carterton.

Speaker 8 (01:34:35):
Yes, yeah, yeah. Back then.

Speaker 24 (01:34:40):
You couldn't bet on the horses the one that you wanted,
so when you went up to the little booth. You'd
get a ticket and whether it was a machine or
it was just a handwritten thing, but you never actually
get to pick what your horse was until at the

(01:35:03):
end of the result. And if you had picked number
six and sixth had come in, you know, you couldn't
actually physically put all the money on.

Speaker 3 (01:35:15):
It was just it was just by chance, by chance.

Speaker 24 (01:35:20):
Yeah, I'm pretty sure that's the way it was. That
was back in carter then, As I said, early seventies.
I used to do the beach races there for many
years until the old stones came in and then that
kind of cut that away.

Speaker 3 (01:35:36):
Oh okay, And so what was that to keep it
more of a fun thing or to stop the professional
gambers for coming? And why did they do that?

Speaker 24 (01:35:45):
A family? This was a family days, okay, the old
beach races back then, that was a family day and
it was a bit of fun, you know. You know,
it's like taking a rapple, I suppose ye gissing how
many bollies are in the jar? You know, but everyone
was there for a good day. But saying that's a.

Speaker 9 (01:36:08):
Long time ago.

Speaker 23 (01:36:10):
H So.

Speaker 3 (01:36:13):
What beach was that?

Speaker 24 (01:36:14):
It Carterton, Carterton and the wif.

Speaker 8 (01:36:20):
Okay, pretty sure, car.

Speaker 3 (01:36:23):
Like Castle point Out that way or Carterton.

Speaker 24 (01:36:26):
Yeah, yeah, sorry, my bad Castle point Out. Carston was
one of the small towns.

Speaker 3 (01:36:36):
Do they still have the races there? Are the rocks
came and ruined it?

Speaker 24 (01:36:40):
Yeah, well I haven't heard for a while if they
still do it, but I heard that, Yeah, there was
a lot of stones and that would get up onto
the sand and basically, you know, because they like the
low tide, but if there were stones there, that would

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ruin the whole day and they couldn't race.

Speaker 3 (01:37:04):
Okay, appreciate it, Blie. Yeah, I haven't and fully about
the history of beach right. I know they're beach races
at on a Tongue at Wahiki, and I think they
have them at Glenorky, but there's not really a beach there,
is there. I think they've got races there. I've never
been to those. We'll talk more about that twelfth Well
Believing Jason. It's Marcus.

Speaker 8 (01:37:22):
Welcome living Marcus. How are you good?

Speaker 3 (01:37:25):
Thank you?

Speaker 8 (01:37:26):
I just want to talk about greyhound racing man. Yes,
I am a greyhound trainer. Yes, I've been training the
book of twenty seven years. I'm pretty devastated by the
news today. I listened to your show most nights. I
fall asleep to you. So I just want to I've

(01:37:47):
heard you talk about the industry before, and I just
want to said a few things, actual facts, instead of
innuendo or rumors that get out of control a little bit.
There were two hundred and six greyhounds re homed past year.

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Sixty three of them went to America. Now are the
SPC shelters and the La Marcus with all the unwanted
animals in New Zealand. I just don't know how they're
going to rehome three thousand dogs. If it cost US
seven million dollars to rehome two hundred and six dogs

(01:38:29):
in a year, what was that cost?

Speaker 3 (01:38:33):
From Jason?

Speaker 13 (01:38:33):
Was that?

Speaker 4 (01:38:34):
Tell me?

Speaker 3 (01:38:35):
Is that about transporting into the state? So where is
that a retraining cost? I didn't understand that cost.

Speaker 8 (01:38:44):
So the seven million dollars is for the rehabilitation for
the injuries on the track, sure and rehoming through our
industry here in New Zealand. And the extensive exercise to
get the dogs to America.

Speaker 26 (01:39:06):
Is expensive.

Speaker 3 (01:39:07):
They're sought after in America is expensive because you've got
to get special quarantine and flying them over and stuff.

Speaker 8 (01:39:13):
What I mentioned exactly. They are a very sought after pet,
all right, because they are very explosive animal. They do
things at one hundred miles an hour for ten or
twenty minutes a day, and they sleep for the rest
of the day. But they do need that stimulation, all right. So, Marcus,

(01:39:39):
the SPCA shoulders empty at the moment, guarantee.

Speaker 3 (01:39:44):
What you're saying is we've got too many dogs. They've
Auckland Councils euthanized four thousand a year, so there's not enough.
There's not enough people that want dogs. We've got too
many dogs. A lot of people that want dogs, right,
that's what you're saying.

Speaker 8 (01:39:56):
We've put seven million dollars into the industry extensively trying
to rehome these rehome the dogs, doing the very best
we can, and sp just going to come in and
re home three thousand when they've euphanized four thy in
twelve months. They're going to three Yeah, they're going to
rehome three thousand and eighteen months. Marcus, You're not a

(01:40:18):
stupid man, Jason. You don't need to be a rocket
science that's worked that out.

Speaker 3 (01:40:22):
Were you experience, were you expecting this, No, it was not.

Speaker 8 (01:40:28):
Okay, Well, the industry has moved heaven and earth to
try and get this under control as you as you
pointed out, they put a straight track in. There's just
another couple of things like in past segments that you've
had on the issue. Right, So let's just have a
look at the day to day racing of a greyhound.

Speaker 3 (01:40:49):
Just hang on there, just take this last commercial out
because I think you'll be able run to a lot
of our questions. It's get this break out of the way.
I've got a lot more questions to ask you. So
just old your horses because you will be our fond
of knowledge tonight. Sorrybright that now, we've got plenty of
time before the news. Jason, what were you going on
to say?

Speaker 11 (01:41:05):
So?

Speaker 8 (01:41:05):
I just wanted to, like, you know, people giving people
a bit of understanding about the day to day runnings
of a greyhound race, where you know, you hear all
sorts of rumors of what happens and what does not happen. Now,
the dog, when the dog is presented to I present
the dog to go to the races markers. It has
to be weighed and it has to weigh within four

(01:41:28):
percent of its last body weight of when it last raced.
To put that into perspective, if a dog has raised
weighs twenty seven kilos and I turn up with it
next time and it weighs twenty eight point one or
twenty five point nine, it's not allowed to race markers. Okay.

(01:41:49):
So that's how stringent your diet fitness regime has to be.
Within one kilo. Now you tell me someone that turns
up to work one kilo embody mass from its last
time it went to work, it just doesn't happen. They
go from the weighing scales to a veterinarian stands on

(01:42:12):
a table. The vetnarian goes over the dog. Okay. Then
it is kenneled and goes to race. The veterinarian then
is on track watching every dog walk off that track. Okay.
If the dog is jostled at all or putting it
in a difficult position during the running of that race,
it is ordered to be kenneled away for half an

(01:42:33):
hour to cool down, and then re examined by the
veterinarian after the race. Okay. So every time they turn
up to go the races, they're extensively looked at. By
a veterinarian and weighed within four percent of its last
body weight. We're not just turning up some hobby thing

(01:42:57):
that we turn up weekends on. Just take our dogs
for a run. It's got to be stringent. Their meals away, protein,
body fat, do a lot, Marcus. This is they're not mistreated.
How can they be mistreated in that aspect.

Speaker 29 (01:43:19):
Although there are a number of cases of trainers using
methampheta or amp stuff for performance and I mean you'd
have something, yes.

Speaker 8 (01:43:31):
I do, okay, and that is through contamination, they are
not specifically giving the dog mesenphetamine to performance enhance it.
That is through a family mendo using it even sometimes themselves.
A drug problem within society is a major problem, Marcus.

(01:43:52):
But hand on heart, you can hold me to this.
It is not specifically given to the greyhound to give
it a performance enhancement. It is not.

Speaker 3 (01:44:06):
But people have pleaded guilty to this. Greyhound trainers have
pleaded guilty too.

Speaker 8 (01:44:10):
Pleaded guilty to having the messmphetamine themselves, okay, and then
them sweating or touching the dog or anything like that,
and then they've been cross contaminated like that. It is
not They have not purposely given the greyhound methamphetamine and raised. Okay,

(01:44:32):
the levels of the methamphetamine are extremely low.

Speaker 3 (01:44:37):
So is that is that? Is that hell thing? Or
read hearing the methamphetamine?

Speaker 8 (01:44:41):
I promise that, Marcus, you can hold me to that.
It's a red hair.

Speaker 3 (01:44:44):
I've never heard. I've never heard anyone. I've never I
mean that seems convenient examination.

Speaker 8 (01:44:49):
Yes, right, So the steward turns up, they swab the person,
the trainer, Okay, and they have tested positive. I've got
nothing to hide here, mate, or everything's on the table, Okay,
they have. I can't coin for it. I've never had
a positive swab in my twenty seventy years of racing.

Speaker 3 (01:45:08):
Okay. All about the greyhound racing industry or greyhound racing,
and I imagine this whole story will have a bit
to go. I don't think it'll be straightforward to close
it down. I'm sure there'll be all sorts of challenges.
Whether the people got the epetite for that, I don't know.
It's a shame I didn't get long to talk that
guy before the news, because I'd be curious to know
how the industry was going. I only say that because

(01:45:30):
the number of times I've been and I was looking
at this my photos the other day, right last time
I went to greyhound racing, and I'll tell you about
this because found this quite interesting. The last time I
went to the greyhound racing and I looked at this

(01:45:52):
photos earlier before I come to work. Right, I'll just
bring up my photos at Escott Park. That's the great
thing about Google Photos. You can see where they've all
been taken Escott Park, and I found them here.

Speaker 8 (01:46:09):
Now.

Speaker 3 (01:46:09):
The last time I went to the greyhound racing in
the Cargol Dog Race three eleven fifty nine am in
the Cargo Maiden Dash and this was the field home
Bush Cheeky trainer J Mcininnie, home Bush, Sadie trainer j Mcininnie,

(01:46:32):
home Bush Opal trader j Mcininnie, home Bush, Sesse trainer
j Mcinhinnie, home Bush, Dove trainer j Mcininnie, home Bush
Lenin trainer j Mcaninnie, Homebush, Cricket trainer j Mcaninnie, home Bush,
Solo trainer j Mcaninnie, Light Me Up trainer MP Hamilton.
So there was a race there and there were nine

(01:46:53):
dogs in that race, and all of them are owned
by the same guy and to me, that shows that
are probably it did. I mean, that guy comes out
with a couple of buses of dogs to every race meat,
so it seems like the trainers were there anymore. So
that to me would indicate if you've got very few

(01:47:14):
people training and putting dogs into races, it'd be an
industry in trouble. That was always my take from that,
So in myself, something else to say about that. Eleven
past eleven, Paul, it's Marcus good evening.

Speaker 6 (01:47:26):
Hey, Mike is here?

Speaker 23 (01:47:27):
Good for.

Speaker 6 (01:47:29):
Look John mckenergie. He is and was, and I think
maybe still in the industry, a very big trainer of dogs,
but looks after his dogs very well. And he has
a high number of people working after his dogs. So
but he didn't own them, he trained them. Yeah, okay,

(01:47:52):
I've got no I've got no skin in the game.

Speaker 3 (01:47:55):
And he was also found guilt. He wasn't he after
for methamphetamine?

Speaker 6 (01:48:02):
Well, I can't, I don't know. I got no skin
in the game.

Speaker 3 (01:48:07):
It says South Island's top gradd trying to qualify for
twelve months over animal welfare concerns, and it was November
last year.

Speaker 8 (01:48:15):
Yeah, but his.

Speaker 6 (01:48:17):
His kindling was pretty big. I mean, it was a
big operation and he had a whole lot of people
working for him, so it's not like he's got them
all on his property.

Speaker 3 (01:48:29):
Okay, that's interesting.

Speaker 6 (01:48:33):
He must own a number of them because he was
all over the North Island as well. But a very
good dog trainer without question, but employed a lot of
people as well. As I said, I've got no skin
in the game, but I believe that Winston Peters is

(01:48:56):
the head of.

Speaker 3 (01:48:58):
Racing, is a racing minister.

Speaker 6 (01:49:00):
Yes, yes, he doesn't want to shut it down. I
can almost guarantee you that's the last thing he would
ever want to do. And I also believe that if
the industry, which of the sound of it from what
I heard this afternoon, just gathering information, if they got

(01:49:22):
good counsel, there's no way they could shut that down.
It is simply because of horse racing. They'd have to
shut that down as well.

Speaker 3 (01:49:36):
That's when it's my understanding. But a lot of the
criticism of dog racing you can apply to horse racing
as well. Is that what you're saying, Yes, and.

Speaker 6 (01:49:45):
You take the gambling aspect down because people gamble in
buildings with balls rolling around and cards flipping over. I mean,
it's got You need to get rid of that because
it's a part of an industry. And I think that
people in the dog industry, like Jason, who you had

(01:50:07):
on earlier, good people. The you can't have a dog
and just go. You need to care for that.

Speaker 12 (01:50:24):
Dog.

Speaker 6 (01:50:25):
And I've heard them at Mount Smart Stadium. I went
there once and you can hear them yelping, and it's
not a yelp of hurd, it's a yelp of let
me get that. Don't chase the coke can, as I understand,
not a rabbit. Don't chase anything because it's in their

(01:50:47):
blood and they're in the environment that they lodge.

Speaker 12 (01:50:52):
So I don't.

Speaker 8 (01:50:53):
I don't.

Speaker 3 (01:50:54):
Are you are you something that? Are you involved in
dog racing?

Speaker 23 (01:50:57):
You know?

Speaker 3 (01:50:57):
But about right?

Speaker 6 (01:50:59):
No, I went to one at Mount Smart Stadium and
you're going to go no, there was a track it mountain, yes,
And I remember being there, and I just think it
would be a real shame to knock something that's been

(01:51:22):
around for a long time and they want to race,
that's what they're bred for. I've got two in my area,
two people, and they walk these dogs and obviously they're retired,
but they're lovely dogs. I think we have a perception

(01:51:45):
about what they chase and they must be aggressive and
everything about the fact that they're going to get hurt,
dogs get run over. It doesn't make any sense to me.
The whole thing doesn't make any sense to me. And

(01:52:06):
I reckon if they get good counsel, there's no way
that industry is going anyway. Okay, they turned it over
a New South Wales.

Speaker 3 (01:52:17):
Yeah, they did to go and the story that sixty
minute underground reporting from the dogs in New South Wales
was pretty grim. There was live animals. It was a
pretty It was a horror story, wasn't it.

Speaker 6 (01:52:30):
Yes, because it was promoted as that.

Speaker 3 (01:52:35):
But well, there was secret cameras. But they did find
people doing illegal stuff, yep.

Speaker 6 (01:52:42):
And if you went into the horse industry you'd find
well that's the other thing too.

Speaker 3 (01:52:45):
But what about that guy. Most people seem to have
been incredulous that that guy thought all the evidence of
meth amphetamine was accidental contamination. That didn't seem to ring
true to anyone.

Speaker 6 (01:52:57):
It doesn't It doesn't help, No, it doesn't.

Speaker 3 (01:53:01):
Well, I mean, because the dog industry is not right.
If the dogs aren't right with it, the owners are
because it's like it's everywhere.

Speaker 6 (01:53:08):
Yeah, but milk shaking and trotting and harness racing was
rife as well, with some prominent trainers in this country.
I just look at everything and just go crikey. It's
an industry with a whole lot of people. If the
government not Winston because.

Speaker 8 (01:53:30):
He's a racing man.

Speaker 6 (01:53:32):
But and I'm not pro herme either, but if you
really take it back and look at it, you could.
You could dig into anything and find dirt.

Speaker 3 (01:53:42):
Thank you, Paul, dirt got a run. But thank you.
Appreciate your calling. Hold your horses. People will be with
you as soon as I can I can. Graham, good evening, Welcome,
it's Marcus.

Speaker 14 (01:53:53):
Some just to believe it. About the racing you're on
about tonight, we're going to stop. I mean you get
race horses and everything, and the vetera horse skits that
go over steeples and things. The better horse gets some
more weight that has to carry, Yeah, they will. Pigeons

(01:54:15):
racing pigeons are put in a cage and cart it
out in the country somewhere and then they have to
find their own way home. Anp shows. You've got show
jumping where they jump over five bar fences and into
water jumps and dress arts. They're meant to pumps up
and travel around and all this sort of thing, and
it's just exploiting animals. And yet the grazy und racing industry.

(01:54:37):
I've never seen a greyhound with someone riding it on
its back. If it doesn't want to race it, it
doesn't have to.

Speaker 3 (01:54:46):
This is a This is also from a government that
has brought back live export of cattle overseas, which everyone
has agreed is incredibly cruel, particularly after that ship went down.

Speaker 14 (01:54:57):
It was next on the list actually, But ye, I reckon,
they have a vet with them. How does the vit
QR seasick know some cattle?

Speaker 3 (01:55:04):
Yeah, but you know, just let's just look at animals
for ow entertainment. And we've had circus says, well they've gone,
haven't They're dancing bears, they've gone. Where those chimps at
the zoo that smokes cigarettes and had tea parties, will
they have gone? Zoos haven't yet gone. But but dog

(01:55:25):
racing and horses, I reckon, if you most of the
arguments that dog racing you can also put up against
horse racing. But it's a bigger industry, and they say
it's an export industry. But if it's cruel, you can't
just say it makes us money even though it's cruel.

Speaker 14 (01:55:39):
Well, it's the imp shows, you know, they've got the
show jumping and everything, and dog trials. Will they chose sheep,
you know, the quicker second round sheep up and put
them in a pen, the Vedda, All sorts of things
will exploit animals, and the grayhound seem to be very minor,
you know, as I say, if they're not being forced

(01:56:00):
to run, they just run because they want to.

Speaker 3 (01:56:02):
You can also say grammar's re contentious. You can also
talk about service dogs. People's service dogs, whether they have
that free will to be subservient to somebody else. I mean,
they're extraordinary what they do and the and the service
that they provide. But I reckon they become a time
when people will be opposed to that as well.

Speaker 14 (01:56:19):
That's what I haven't thought of you And you can.

Speaker 3 (01:56:22):
Make good arguments for that either way, but but it's
a remote. It's a re emotive issue that are you
a greyhound owner?

Speaker 13 (01:56:28):
Grail?

Speaker 11 (01:56:29):
No?

Speaker 12 (01:56:29):
No?

Speaker 23 (01:56:29):
No?

Speaker 14 (01:56:30):
Do you think A long time ago? I bet on
a couple of times at number seven was my favorite.

Speaker 3 (01:56:35):
Do you think it Do you think it's the right
Do you think it's the right thing, or do you
think it opens up the government hypocrisy? Or do you
think the fact that it's got cross party support that
it's the right thing to do.

Speaker 14 (01:56:43):
I think I should leave it alone, you know. And
you know you've got trotting and pacing and all that
sort of thing. They're trying to pull soggies around, and
you know, there's all sorts going on. Might pick on greyhound.

Speaker 3 (01:56:57):
I think it's because a lot of people have dogs
as pets and they've got a special relationship with dogs.
Is that what it's about.

Speaker 14 (01:57:05):
Yeah, I've got a lovely dog, you know, but I'm
have a walkome occasionally. You know, he's getting on a
bit like me, But well I feed him regular. At
that I was talking before the news about how they
weighed in an affair more than you know, four percent
one way or the other than not allowed to ration.
All the sort of thing was proving they meant to
be fed right and exercise right, you know, don't they.

Speaker 12 (01:57:29):
Anyway?

Speaker 3 (01:57:30):
I didn't think that was the big problem, was that
have been fed and exercise. I thought the problem was
the fact that they well, if they're no good, they
just got rid of them because it's easy to get
rid of a dog because they're small. That was, But
you know, there's been a lot of reporting, hidden camera
reporting and stuff like that, and some of this will
be directed by Safe Save Animals from experimentation. But this
is what they're about. They're about not exploiting animals, and

(01:57:51):
it's for our entertainment. And it's what's worse, it's for gambling,
which is pretty sketchy anyway, once you get gambling involved.
Marcus will in Tain who owned the tab, continue to
show and take betting on Australian hounds where the band
comes into New Zealand. Really good question, Thoma's Marcus greezings welcome,

(01:58:12):
good evening.

Speaker 11 (01:58:13):
Yes, sir Marcus, I'm ringing from Hamilton. When I was
a kid beck In about nineteen fifty five, they used
to have greyhound racing at Muell Park and Higgins Road
in Frankton.

Speaker 3 (01:58:24):
Oh it was that the inside of racecourse. No, that
was just a time park.

Speaker 11 (01:58:28):
It was just there was just a park. And to
be honest, I can't remember whether they had league there
at the same time or when the Greyhounds moved, they
turned it into a league park.

Speaker 3 (01:58:40):
I mean, I quite it seems to me from what
you're saying. For what everyone else is saying, it's been
a sport over the years that's been really driven by
owners and by passion from the good. It's very much
from the ground up, isn't it.

Speaker 11 (01:58:52):
Yeah. There would have been I when I was only
your kid then, but it would have been no betting
on it other than probably with a bookie.

Speaker 3 (01:58:59):
Yeah, and no televising either, So you had to be
there to Georgia. Yeah.

Speaker 11 (01:59:03):
Yeah. Now one other thing you said that some god
I had nine dogs in a in a race. That's
impossible because there's only eight traps, eight places where they
where they start from.

Speaker 3 (01:59:18):
I have a look at the I have look at
the image.

Speaker 11 (01:59:20):
Yeah they can. They can have up to ten dogs,
but only eight can races. Two emergencies, Oh that'll be it.

Speaker 5 (01:59:28):
Yeah.

Speaker 11 (01:59:29):
And you're also talking about equalizators. I would say the biggest.

Speaker 3 (01:59:34):
Thing the last one was was was scratched. Yeah, Homebush Silo.

Speaker 11 (01:59:40):
That's because there's only only eight boxes where they jumped from.
But I would say the biggest equalized of meetings they
would have ever had would have been at the Alexandra
Racing Club, which is also Parongia. They used to race
I'm pretty sure was on a boxing day and they
used to get up to eight, eight or nine thousand
people there, sep. It's about ten years since they stopped

(02:00:04):
racing there.

Speaker 3 (02:00:06):
How many people they get?

Speaker 11 (02:00:07):
Eight to ten thousand?

Speaker 12 (02:00:11):
Well?

Speaker 3 (02:00:13):
Really?

Speaker 11 (02:00:14):
Yeah? Yeah, and I only used to have like Eve,
even well known trains like Graham Rogerson would have horses
starting the.

Speaker 8 (02:00:25):
Dogs.

Speaker 11 (02:00:27):
No gallops.

Speaker 3 (02:00:28):
Oh I see what you're saying. Okay, okay, understand I okay,
but there were ten thousand turning up for greyhounds, so
would there no?

Speaker 11 (02:00:34):
No, no, no, I would say, and those who were
kids would go down and watch. It. Used to be
on a Sunday afternoon. Oh it's gout have been three
or four five hundred, I suppose.

Speaker 5 (02:00:44):
Yeah, what did I.

Speaker 3 (02:00:46):
Start racing other breeds of dogs? If you can't race greyhounds,
it's the other thing. There was Jack Russell Racing. I've
been to that in ringy Aura Inina. Ats Marcus, Welcome, good.

Speaker 28 (02:00:55):
Evening, first time caller, and I rang I haven't been
listening all night, so I hope you haven't heard before
but they had greyhound racing and they were heart in
the nineteen forties. And it was course not very long really,
and it was on the banks of the Hat River
and you could look over the Huron Bridge and it
was between Tarmers Street and the river. There was the

(02:01:20):
Damas Street, the houses and the stock bank, and then
there was and then there was the racing at the
side of the river.

Speaker 3 (02:01:31):
Never heard of a straight course in the old days?

Speaker 13 (02:01:34):
Did that? Was it there for lot?

Speaker 3 (02:01:36):
Was it there for long?

Speaker 13 (02:01:36):
Quite a while.

Speaker 28 (02:01:37):
I was born in nineteen thirty six and we lived
on the other side of the river till nineteen fifty,
so it was sometime between. It would have been in
the forties.

Speaker 25 (02:01:50):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (02:01:51):
Did it have a name the racecourse in it?

Speaker 28 (02:01:53):
No, not that I know of anyway, because my parents
went into that sort of thing. But we could stand
it on the bridge and watch the horses race up horses.

Speaker 3 (02:02:04):
Sorry a bit this, Yeah, I'm incording them. I've incolling
them horses all night for the dogs. So you say
dog racing and horse racing.

Speaker 25 (02:02:14):
But anyway, Yeah, but they called them whippets in those days, slips,
and then they stopped calling them whippets and they called
them gray hands.

Speaker 3 (02:02:26):
Okay, so it was there beside the river, yep, goodness.

Speaker 25 (02:02:33):
When it was once a week or it was, it
was quite off, you know, quite off.

Speaker 3 (02:02:38):
And really I'm gonna see if I can get some
more information about that Inna. Thank you very much for
coming through whipp it racing. I've seen some old photos
of whippe racing. Well, how aboult I turn out to
work around? They still discussing the dogs. I suspect they might.
It's like the common or horses. Everyone's got an opinion,
oh have they?

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