Full Show Podcast: 13 September 2025

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Speaker 1 (00:07):
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Yard to New Zealand. Good morning, Welcome to news doorks
EDB Jack Tame with you through the midday Today. Downtown
Abbey is finally reaching its conclusion. The finale, The Grand
Finale is coming out in cinemas. We're going to catch
up with our film reviewer before ten o'clock to get
her thoughts on that. And you know, the green bit
at the top of leaks, that bit that you can't

(01:05):
off and always throw away you shouldn't be. We're gonna
share with you some top tips from our cook before
ten on what to do with the green bit at
the top of the league. I'm not even sure I
knew you could eat that is that bad? And I've
eat your interview after ten o'clock this morning. Key We
author legendary key We author Elizabeth Knox, she of Vintner's Luck,
is going to be with us. She's got a brand
new book. This book, though, is written for young readers,

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you know, twelve thirteen year olds. It's kind of dark,
which is really interesting. But she's gonna be with us
after ten o'clock this morning with a few more details
on that. Right now, it's eight minutes past nine, Jack
d tell you what, when I saw the latest migration
statistics this week and the net forty seven thousand New
Zealand citizens who had decided to move overseas in the

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last year, I had an instantaneous reaction. You sure about that,
I wondered. I mean, hey, I know our economy isn't
exactly thriving right now, but just out of interest, merely
out of interest, have you you know any news headlines lately?
Israel had just bombed Katar, Russian drones were being shot

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down in Poland, the British government was in disarray, and
Charlie Kirk had just been assassinated. Put it this way,
a sustained economic malaise isn't half as bad as some
of the other problems facing the world right now. You
know how when there's a really big news event, how
it's kind of human nature, it's all anyone wants to

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talk about. As terrible a week as it has been
for the world, it has been even worse on social media.
A great week, Nay a vintage week for really really
bad takes. Tom Phillips is a prime example to think
even for a moment that a man who has been

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using his children in armed robberies, who has deprived them
of any outside connections or formal education, who's kept them
in horrible, cod dirty conditions, and then ultimately expose them
to a police shootout. To think for a moment that
that guy is misunderstood or is some kind of hero,

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shows our species perhaps isn't as advanced as we would
all like to think. And then the Charlie Kirk assassination,
my goodness, who would have thought it was possible? But
it may have been even worse. At least the takes
were His killing really affected me. I've been following Charlie
Kirk for years. In fact, I actually saw him speak

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in person in the US at what was kind of
a seminal event in his life. So it was back
at the Republican Convention in twenty sixteen, and he did
a big presentation on stage. His assassination has been one
of those moments in which it feels like we are
watching a global superpower decline in real time, you know

(04:01):
what I mean. And then there was the video everywhere,
multiple angles of a father being shot in the throat
in front of his family, reposted, retweeted, re upped, the
algorithm feeding a bloodlust, and then again, of course, the predictable,
profound division, incredible bad faith takes on both sides of

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a political chasm, people openly celebrating his murder, others conveniently
forgetting the ways in which they have excused or minimized
or ignored political violence in the recent past. I really
think social media is responsible for some of the worst
aspects of our fraying world. It just takes the worst

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parts of our nature as a species and then acts
as a force multiplier, don't you think. And yet, and
yet it still retains the capacity every now and then
to pull off something great. A terrible week for the
world ended with a little bit of goodness last night
on the Golden Bay Community notice Board facebook page. If

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you haven't joined the Golden Bay Community Notebook notice board
Facebook page, fair to say it has a diverse range
of posts. You get the full spectrum of things on
the Golden Bay Community notice Board facebook page. So back
in July, if it rainfall at the top of the
South Island dislodged a bench from its spot next to

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the Tarcica River. And for those of those of you
who know Golden Bay, it's kind of it's this area
near Paines Forward when you're just coming into Tarcica having
driven over the hill, an area where a lot of
the kids like to go and do manoo's into the
river and go swimming. And it was a memorial bench,
a bench made of heavy timber, beautifully crafted to remember

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a young man named Jack who passed back in twenty eighteen.
But yesterday my mum forded a post on Facebook through
to the Tame family chat. Jack's bench had been found
after being swept away in the flooding. It had traveled
the six or seven kilometers down the Tarkica River and
then into the ocean into Golden Bay proper, and then

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over the space of two months, the bench had somehow
navigated the roughly one hundred and sixty kilometers from the
river mouth across cooked straight, somehow got round Durville Island
to wash up, albeit with a few barnacles on why
can I beach on the carpety coast Kevin Milne Country?
But how how to get Jack's bench back home? After

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such an epic journey. I'll do it free of charge.
Just get in touch, said someone called Steve on Facebook.
A little faith in the world restored, jackdam ninety two
ninety two is our text number if you want to
send us a message this morning, Jacket Newsill, SAIDB dot
co dot zaid's the email address. I don't know. It

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just feels like a Saturday morning for a bit of escapism,
don't you think, just a little bit of escapism given
the last couple of days. So we're going to try
and work out how to how to navigate our viewing
habits this evening with the Warriors kicking off at six
the Orbacks just after seven. Our Sporto will be in
very shortly. Kevin Melon's going to kick us off for

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our Saturday morning together next though. Right now it's thirteen
past nine. It's Saturday morning. I'm Jack Tame. This is
news Talk, said.

Speaker 1 (07:34):
By No better way to kick off your weekend than
with Jack.

Speaker 2 (07:40):
Saturday Morning with Jack. Team news Talk, said B.

Speaker 3 (07:44):
Sixteen plast nine. On your Saturday morning, Jack, such a
relief to hear editorial full of human empathy and nuance
this morning. It feels increasingly rare Thank you ninety two
ninety two if you want to send us a message
this morning. Kevin Melnis kicking us off for our Saturday.
He to Kevin Cuder.

Speaker 4 (07:59):
Jack, I love that story about the wooden bench, and
you're right, I mean so so it ended up on
the beach just along from us. I suppose when I
say just so long, it's about a killometer away from
where we are.

Speaker 2 (08:15):
But what a.

Speaker 4 (08:16):
Wonderful thing that a woman who first saw it sort
of raised the alarm. Yeah, this is important because it
may have only been there for a beach before a
head off somewhere else.

Speaker 3 (08:27):
Yeah, of course, yeah, yeah, there was nothing to say
that the journey would have ended there if people hadn't
stepped in. Yeah, it is an amazing story. It's one
of those funny things. So you might remember when I
was at home my parents place in Golden Bay and
Collingwood a couple of Christmases ago, on a really really
clear day, we were sitting outside having lunch, and in

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the far off distance, my brother in law said, there's
Mount Tartanucky and we were like no, no, no, no,
and then we're like a hang on, that is there's
Mount Tartanucky. We got out of a little telescope and yep,
it was Mount Tartanucky. And it's very easy to forget
that the top of the South Island. You know, we
in our minds we kind of think of the North
Island being directly north of the South Island, but actually
the top of the South Island sits off due west

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of the lower part of the North Island. Right, So yes,
bench has Actually it's gone down the Tarcica River, it's
gone into Golden Bay, and then it's headed due west,
albeit slowly, right across Cook straight as opposed to going north.
So yeah, it's an amazing journey. It's such a good story.

Speaker 5 (09:28):
So, yes, a great story.

Speaker 4 (09:30):
And because we sit in our house here and walk
and look directly west to Australia if you like. Yeah,
but in the middle there there's the top end of
the Marlborough Sounds straight across Fromers.

Speaker 3 (09:41):
Yeah. Can you see Deval Island?

Speaker 5 (09:44):
Yes, very well.

Speaker 4 (09:45):
That last night was a cracker night for Derval Island
and then Stephens Island on top of that.

Speaker 3 (09:51):
Yeah, oh how good? Are you very lucky? Kevin? Yeah,
I thought it would be making making a bit of
a splash along the Carpitol coast. So I expected you
would have all the details for us, But you were
offering some travel advice this morning.

Speaker 2 (10:03):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (10:04):
You learn new things every time you travel, and what
I learned on our recent trip to London was the
better way to book your flights. As you know, you
book a flight within New Zealand. If you go to London,
you book a flight with the New Zealand sad of
Singapore maybe Hong Kong, and then their New Zealand's partner
airline will take over on their aircraft and fly from
Singapore onto London. We had a magnificent flight on the

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New Zealand Singapore leg and the Singapore New Zealand flight
on the way back because we were on board in
New Zealand's aircraft, the Dreamliner.

Speaker 2 (10:37):
This is a big new aircraft with all the latest tech.

Speaker 4 (10:42):
In New Zealand, with the best airline by miles, terrific
cabin crew, up to date screens and seats, great food.
But when we switched to Singapore Airlines to flight it
from Singapore to London, we were on one of their
old Triple sevens with scruffy furnishings, outdated screens, etc. And
the cabin crew seemed to know it. You felt their

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morale was low, sort of like working in an old
shop that hadn't that needed a bit of a liquor paint.
Same coming back from London to Hong Kong with Cathay Pacific,
A tired old Trouble seven. Again no excitement on board.
So what I learned was that when you're booking long
haul flights, find out what type of aircraft you'll be

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flying in. If I'd known that, I'd made sure we
were on Dreamliners all the way. Cathay PACIFICA I don't
think have Dreamliners yet, but Singapore Airlines does, and with
a bit of fiddling around, we could have flown on
new Dreamliners all the way. Anyway, that's my Trouble advice.
Find out what aircraft you're going to be flying on.

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And the final thing, Jack, I intentionally booked daytime flights
as much as possible. I liked flying with the sun
coming in. But as soon as everyone settled us down
after lunch down, come all the shutters out, go the
lights and everyone goes to sleep.

Speaker 5 (12:05):
What is that all.

Speaker 6 (12:06):
About, isn't it?

Speaker 3 (12:08):
Because don't they say the best the best thing to
do if you're traveling on a long haul is to
immediately start to try and adapt to the time where
you're arriving. And I think that's what they do with
the Dreamliner, right, so they say, for example, if you're
flying to the US into the West Coast, they'll say, okay,
what's the time there right now, we'll try and set

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the lighting so that it matches that. The problem is
when you then get in reverse. You know, if you're
going and people are pulling down the blinds when it's
the middle of the daytime in your destination, that's the problem.

Speaker 4 (12:41):
Yeah, yes, yes, And so you you get into the
awkward situation you want to read your book and everybody
else wants to sleep, and you're the only you feel
very self consciously the fact that you're the only one
of their light on. Yeah, and so you turn it
off and try to get to sleep yourself. So it's
kind of a weird thing that, but you've probably got

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the answer to it there and won.

Speaker 3 (13:03):
Yeah, are you hitt into the game tonight?

Speaker 2 (13:05):
Yeah? Yeah, I'll be there, don't you worry.

Speaker 3 (13:08):
Oh my gosh, it's going to be so exciting.

Speaker 7 (13:10):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (13:10):
So, well, what are you going to do for the Warriors.
In the meantime, you're just going to be getting up there. Yeah,
it is a tricky are they should put I'm probably
not allowed to do that. They should put it on
the big screen at the you know, at the stadium,
so you can watch the first half at the very least.
Wouldn't that be good.

Speaker 4 (13:26):
I'm not sure it's the game I really want to see,
to be honest, I love the Warriors so much. Yeah
that I bet I've got a feeling about about tonight.
Yeah that this might be the end of it for them.

Speaker 3 (13:37):
We'll see. Come on, come on, kid, what on earth
about the Warriors past history would would ever lead you
to have a take like that. I enjoy the game.
We'll be thinking of you tonight, looking for you in
the crowds, keeping Milm with us this morning. Thank you
for your messages.

Speaker 5 (13:52):
Jack.

Speaker 3 (13:52):
I'm a local white and I beat such a great
outcome with Jack's bench. It's amazing. Stories is Carol Jacks Peter.
I'm surprised at your comments regarding social media, as if
this was the first time you've seen this type of garbage,
bs and nastys from people. I could see it when
social media made its debut that it would be used
this way. Hence I've never used it, says Pete. No,

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it's not the first time I've seen it, Pete. I
think it's It's funny, though, isn't it. Like the great promise,
the great cell with social media was that it would
connect us, and actually it's just divided us. That's the
great irony of the social media rage. And this was
one of those weeks in which I think we saw
those divisions more pronounced than you know almost ever. So

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thank you for that. Ninety two ninety two if you
want to send us a message our sportos in next
twenty three past.

Speaker 8 (14:38):
Nine, Getting your weekends started. It's Saturday Morning with Jack
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Speaker 3 (14:48):
Jack, thank you for kicking off our day with such
a great perspective on what really matters all, what really
should this morning? I thank you very much. We appreciate
your positive and salutary and reminder of yeah, we don't
know how lucky we are. Yeah, I honestly, I that
is exactly how I feel this week. Just watching it

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just felt like the world was kind of crumbling before
our eyes. For a few moments, there were a very
exciting week to be in a newsroom in a sense,
you know, one of those weeks where it just feels
like so much is happening all at once. But yeah,
also one of those weeks and I was like, you
know what, maybe New Zealand is actually not such a
bad place to be right now ninety two If you
want to send us a message this morning, twenty seven

(15:30):
minutes past nine, which means it's time to catch up
with our sporto Andrew Saville counting down to the second
All Blacks Spring Box Test and when you come this
evening counter Sev coulder Jack.

Speaker 6 (15:41):
Yeah, we don't know how lucky you are for your
sports fan. Over the next twenty four hours, we've got Warriors,
then the All Blacks against South Africa in the Blackfounds
against South Africa in their quarter finals. So huge weekend
for sport, that's for sure. The Warriors, can they do it?
Great game last night Melbourne storm over the Bulldogs. Yeah
nice syllergy There William Warbrook, who used to play for

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the New Zealand sevens team and converted to League's for
the match clinching try with a couple of minutes to go,
and his former teammate in the seventh team. Leroy Carter
of course, makes his All Blacks debut in Wellington on
the wing tonight. But back to the Warriors an Auckland
six o'clock kickoff. They've got to start as chance. If

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they were at full strength, if they had metcalf for
Mitch Barnett, you'd give them more of a chance than that.
But this Penrith team has been they had done that
and it's very very good.

Speaker 3 (16:34):
Yeah, yeah, they're very good. It's going to be tricky.

Speaker 6 (16:39):
That Worries have to play the game of their lives
combined and hope that Penrith has a bit of an
off evening. But they got a chance.

Speaker 3 (16:47):
They do. They got a chance. So what do you
make of that call on the wing with Rika? You
won again? Dropped?

Speaker 6 (16:52):
Interesting? I think look through Rico Juan he's doing some
stats yesterday and from when he first played at the
end of twenty sixteen until now, he's very rarely been dropped.
I think in the twenty nineteen World Cup in Japan
and he was left out of a few games, but
pretty much before and after that he's played just about
every Test every year, so he's been a constant. I

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think hindsight it's a wonderful thing, but I think they
might have pulled the trigger to early in moving him
from center back to wing. I think he was starting
to show glimpses at Test level at center. He didn't
have a great season for the Blues. Yes, so I
can sort of understand why they looked at him more
as a winger in the All Blacks. I don't think
he enjoys playing wing anymore. He started at his Test

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career as a wing, but I think he enjoys playing center,
where he played more as a as a schoolboy. So yeah,
interesting to see Rico you on he dropped Leroy Carter
really impressed me this year with the Chiefs. Very strong
ball runner, not the biggest of wings, but very strong
ball runner, very agile, good in the year, good tackler
from his sevens days. I expect him to go well tonight.

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The South Africans will Pepperam. I'd say they'll challenge him.
Intriguing decision at nine. With Noah Hopam coming back from injury.
I thought they might have still started with fin Lake
Christie and played well on Eaton Park last week. Hope
them hasn't had any rugby for almost two months, so
that's a big cause. I'm a little bit nervous in
a couple of positions. However, the Springbok back line is

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pretty much a whole new back line. They haven't played
a heck of a lot of rugby together, so that
remains to be seen those selection decisions whether they'll work
or not. The number ten, the young kid, he will
use the ball more, and the all Blacks jack that
it's basically going to have to lift again, lift big time.

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The South Africans will respond and they don't have that
Eden Park factor, they don't have the Rdisava one hundred
game factor in the heads. They will have to mentally
lift again. They know it's going to be a really
tough physical test match again. They can do it again,
that's for sure.

Speaker 3 (19:00):
Okay, I've got one tactical question. I feel like there
are many hundreds of thousands of people who would have
watched last game, last week's game in particular and and
echo my thoughts box kicks. Why are we doing so
many box kicks? I know that doing so many box kicks,
but there are other options and I just like throwing

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away position time and try it just tries me nuts.
I'm like, guys, what are we doing. We've got the ball,
we're holding the ball, like, let's let's run it. Let's
try something else. Box kick, lose position? What is that
everything going to do? They're gonna do a box kick?
Here we go again. I just I was losing my

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mind last weekend. It's it's when it's not working, why
are we doing it again? It's the definition of insanity
is to yeah, is to just repeat an action and
expect a different outcome. When when we're not retaining position, it's.

Speaker 6 (19:57):
Like what, yeah, that I mentioned you before. The best
taker of a box kick in the country is probably
Mark Taliah. Yeah, they won't pick him because he's off
the The old adage and rugby always used to be
you kick first, you only kick as the first or
last option. However, these days were look it was it
was soggy at Eden. Parker can sort of understand a

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few kicks to test the South Africans, and in general,
I think the All Blacks were better under the ball
than an Argentina. They got the ball back more than
they lost, but it's still.

Speaker 3 (20:29):
Fifty to fifty fifty for a twenty game usually.

Speaker 6 (20:33):
Yeah, and if you camp down under pressure and you're
twenty two. Look, if you're under extreme pressure, yes, maybe
box kick, but generally you kick that out right. You
don't kick it to the to the to the opposition.
The other thing is jack that a year ago there
will rugby bosses changed the rules to enforce what they
call escorts, so they had to be really clear around

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the ball catcher. Teammates weren't allowed around them to sort
of fend off taking players. And yeah, so that rules changed,
you off side rule was tweaked a bits, So that's
why teams are now kicking a lot more. But yes,
I think it is a blight on the game.

Speaker 3 (21:11):
Yeah, very quickly. Can you what do we understand about
the situation with rolling Toto? I mean, other than to
say it seems like yet another fiasco for New Zealand netball.
There's been so little reporting that there's so little clarity
and detail it's very hard to actually kind of read
between the lines. It sort of seems like the players,

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some of the players are maybe a bit unhappy with
that stuff in Australia earlier this year and they were
been unhappy about the culture and the team or something
like that. And that made me complained and there's been
a bit of a faller. But honestly, it's even that
is kind of hard to deduce.

Speaker 6 (21:46):
I think until we hear from the Players Association number
one EN players, hopefully next week ahead of the South
African Internationals, you can't really make your mind up. Although
it sounds as though, as we've seen over the years,
Jack with cycling rowing football, the Black Ferns member. Before
the World Cup their coach was sacked or got rid of. Again,

(22:09):
I think it's one of these old school coach, although
you'd have to say Dame noleing Tower was quite innovative too,
different sort of coaching way, old school coaching ways.

Speaker 2 (22:20):
Versus the new generation.

Speaker 6 (22:21):
I think this is the issue again. Not all of
the players in the Black Fern in the Silver Ferns, rather,
not all of them are in support of the players
who are against Dame Noling. I can I can assure
you of that. It's a shame that this has happened.
It's been poorly handled. I think should have been sorted

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out a long time ago. So it's the.

Speaker 3 (22:45):
Last thing the sport needed and that newle needed right now.
I've got to say I thought Laura Langman's piece and
again not knowing what has actually happened. I thought Laura
Langman's piece was very well written.

Speaker 6 (22:56):
And very well it was outstanding and we spoke to
her as well on camera. Outstanding response as someone who
had been coached all through her career by Dame Noleane.

Speaker 3 (23:09):
And has arguably one of, if not the best ever
New Zealand network.

Speaker 6 (23:11):
Player, and she I think has a fair idea of
what's gone on or what's going on, but that I
think that that there sums up a previous generation of netballer.
Laura Langman was a hard art if I can use
that term, compared to the generation now.

Speaker 3 (23:25):
Yeah, all right, we'll watch the space. Thank you sir.
Enjoy the games this weekend. Andrewsavilaarsporto There twenty five to
ten on Newstalk's EDB News Talks V were Jack Tame

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through the midday. That's a new song from Yumi Zuma,
the songs called Drag. They've just announced the name of
their new album. It's going to be called No Love
Lost to Kindness twenty two to ten. Just so you know,
the huge march in Auckland has kicked off today. The
pro Palestine March. That was supposed to go over the
Auckland Harbor Bridge, but then they were concerned about high winds,
so they've moved it to healthier square. That's just kicked off.

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There are photos up at Insied Herald dot co dot
Inzied and we'll be following that progress over the next
couple of hours on news talks. He'd be time. Now
let's catch up with our film reviewer. Francisca Rudkin is
here this morning. Good morning, good morning. Okay, two films
to talk to you this morning. Both of them are
showing in cinemas. We'd better start off with the keenly
eagerly anticipated by millions of people worldwide, Downtown Abbey, the

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Grand Finale.

Speaker 9 (24:38):
It's hard to accept, so it's time to go. But
the future of Downtown Abbey is now in Mary's hands.

Speaker 3 (24:49):
He will be a sensation, a last hurrah from the
Downtown Abbey team. Tell us about the Grand Finale, Francisca,
so this is the third.

Speaker 10 (25:01):
And the final film, and look, to be honest with you,
I'm always very suspect when someone says this will be it,
this is the Grand Finale, because you know what the
entertainment world's like they're always at some point, but look,
to be honest with you, they very much treated this
as the grand finale. They wrapped up for all the storylines,
all the characters kind of had their moment, you know.

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They made sure that everybody kind of had a moment,
and all the different subplots and storylines kind of got
wrapped up nicely. It had a very sentimental feel. I
was actually quite surprised when I kind of left. I
felt quite emotional and sort of sad that it was
all over, which took me a little bit by surprise, because,
to be honest with you, I felt like after fifteen
years had dragged.

Speaker 11 (25:44):
On a bit.

Speaker 12 (25:45):
So I think they've done a really nice job here.

Speaker 10 (25:48):
I think if you have been a fan and watch
it over the years like I have, you'll be very
satisfied with this film.

Speaker 12 (25:53):
They've done everything which we know Downton to be.

Speaker 10 (25:56):
You know, it's always been a film where they've kind
of been your characters have always had their own personal dramas,
but it's always been a franchise that some characters will
always be looking to the past while we'll be looking
at the future, and that trying to work out how
we move forward and how generations pass on legacies to
other generations. So all those kind of things are all

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in here. It's stepped it up a notch. I think
it's even more lavish than we've seen before. The costumes
are amazing, the sweeping shots of downtown Abbey are many,
and you know, and so I think they've really gone.

Speaker 12 (26:31):
Actually, this is the finality. Let's go out on a bank.

Speaker 10 (26:33):
Let's give the fans what they want and what they
love about Downtown Abbey, and we'll wrap it up and
everyone will need happy. And look, it's got all the
width that you expect. But actually also it's quite moving
at times, and that's largely because, of course Dave Maggie
Smith isn't there to wrap up this franchise that she
was such a big part of, so it's also quite emotional.
They pay very much tribute to her.

Speaker 12 (26:55):
In this film.

Speaker 10 (26:56):
So look, if you've love down to Abbey, it's very satisfying, sentimental,
still sort of.

Speaker 12 (27:01):
Slightly sweet and of certain ridiculous.

Speaker 10 (27:03):
We don't This is not a gritty, realistic look at
class in society and things. It's set in the nineteen thirties.

Speaker 12 (27:10):
This one but it.

Speaker 10 (27:11):
Is wonderful, pleasant, lovely entertainment. It's a great film to
take your mom to. A friend of mine gone vied
too the screening and she said, I've never watched any
down there before.

Speaker 12 (27:21):
My mom loves it. Took her mum. Not only did
mum love it, but she fell in love with it
as well and was gone back to start watching from
the beginning.

Speaker 3 (27:27):
So there you go, Oh, there you go. Oh that
is great. Okay, So that's down to Navy the Grand
Finale next up, also showing in cinemas. This is sketch.

Speaker 13 (27:39):
It's always kind of been her thing, right, trying or kids.

Speaker 14 (27:43):
Like to draw, but has she always been sosis?

Speaker 3 (27:48):
She's working through some stuff. Okay, that's sketch. So it's
a family film, but it's a little bit of a
dark edge, doesn't it.

Speaker 10 (27:55):
Yeah, it's kind of a gentle kid's horror if you
can have that. I this came to my attention and
I quite liked it because it's just a little bit different.
It's not what we're used to. And I'm also a
huge fan of all the adventure sort of family films
that I grew up with, whether it was ET or
the gremlins and things like that. You know, a lot
of the family entertainment moved to animation, and they are

(28:17):
amazing and wonderful in their own right as well. But
I do love it when we have when you've got
a family film which is live action and things. But
the visual effects here are also really quite neat as well.
And I also like the fact this one doesn't shy
away from thinking that, you know, kids can deal with
quite hard, difficult stuff.

Speaker 12 (28:38):
I mean, this is a.

Speaker 10 (28:39):
Film about grief and pain and how we deal with
it and how it manifests.

Speaker 12 (28:43):
So we've got Amber and Jack, two siblings.

Speaker 10 (28:46):
Their mother has died their sort of elementary, sort of
primary school age, and their father played by Tony Hale,
is doing his best.

Speaker 12 (28:53):
He adds a nice comedic.

Speaker 10 (28:55):
Element to things, but Amber really takes out her anger
and her grief and things by drawing. And she draws
these very dark pictures monsters, and she disturbingly, she draws
these pictures of sort of quite violent scenes, often including
her classmates, which is a bit of a concern. Her
brother's really worried about her, and her brother finds in

(29:16):
the backyard they sort of live semi rurally.

Speaker 12 (29:18):
He Finds is an American film. He finds in.

Speaker 10 (29:21):
The backyard there's magic pond, and if he throws something
in it, like his phone, somehow it gets fixed. So
he thinks about throwing his mother's ashes in this pond
to maybe she will come back and it will heal
their family. But instead him and Amber have a bit
of a fight and Amber's drawing book goes in. So
all these monsters come to life, and these kids have
to find ways to kind of defeat these monsters and

(29:42):
overcome them and things.

Speaker 12 (29:43):
So look, watch the trailer.

Speaker 10 (29:46):
It will kind of depend on your kid and what
they're used to whether they will find some of this
a little bit scary or not. Watch the trailer work
it out. But I like the creativity and the original thought,
especially with these monsters coming to life as if they're
sketches sort of the visual effects and things, and I
just like the fact that, yeah, there's sort of trading
tool with a little bit of respect with the heaviness.

Speaker 12 (30:09):
Of the topics. So it may or may not.

Speaker 15 (30:11):
Be for you.

Speaker 10 (30:11):
It's a bit like Inside Out, I suppose, right where
it talks about real emotions and real things that can
potentially happen.

Speaker 12 (30:18):
But in a live action format.

Speaker 3 (30:20):
Nice, okay, cool, that sounds really interesting. So that sketch
that showing in cinemas at the moment so is down
to abby the grand finale in both of those films,
and all of their details will be up at the
news to zeb website. Actually, speaking of treating young viewers
or young readers with you know, the expectation that they
can take a little bit of darkness sometimes after ten o'clock,

(30:42):
our feature interviews is Elizabeth Knox and she Keey author
Elizabeth Knox. She's written this brand new book called King
of the World, and it does have a bit of
a dark undertone. So it's ostensibly for younger readers, like
maybe twelve or thirteen year olds, but it does have
a bit of darkness. I'm going to talk to her
about how she tries to balance the kind of darker
components of her storytelling with that younger audience, because I

(31:05):
think she is probably of similar mind that actually, you
know what, kids can take some of the stuff. So anyway,
she's going to be with us alfter ten o'clock this morning,
was has flicked me a note Jack your comments about
the All Blacks box kicking I totally agree. Absolute madness.
It's like they don't want to run the ball anymore,
spoils the game, says was I wonder is it the

(31:25):
because every breakdown is so keenly contested these days? Do
we think that's why they're less enthusiastic about about running
it and passing it? Because if you think about it,
when it comes to a box kick, say we've got
a fifty five to forty five chance of getting the ball,
which we probably don't. It's probably fifty to fifty, but
let's say that the chances slightly favors us. When we're
kicking it. You're only ever going to get twenty meters

(31:48):
of gain in terms of territory, So it's a twenty
meter gain for a very big risk that you're going
to lose the ball. I just don't understand how the
statistical probability backs up kicking the ball nearly as frequently
as we seem to. So thank you on I'm glad
that you and I are on the same page with that.
Don't forget. Of course, we're going to have live commentary

(32:09):
of the All Backs in South Africa with Elliot Smith
this evening, Ross Bond and Jason Pine joining him on
news talks. He'd be Gold Sport and iHeartRadio from seven o'clock.
So if you are watching the Warriors, maybe and it's
a close game, maybe that's an option you could keep
the Warriors on for the end of the second half,
have the news talks. He'd be commentary team bringing you
the All Blacks. That way you're across both games. There
you go, solving all the problems. This morning, fourteen to ten.

Speaker 1 (32:32):
Saturday morning with Jack Team keeping the conversation going through
the weekend US talks.

Speaker 5 (32:37):
He'd be ten cook.

Speaker 3 (32:39):
Micky Wix is here.

Speaker 11 (32:40):
Good morning, Good morning Jack.

Speaker 16 (32:42):
How are you.

Speaker 3 (32:43):
I'm very very well, thank you. You are dealing with
one of my favorite vegetables this morning, which is a
big cour Do you know what. Here's the thing. I
grew up and I was lucky to go up in
a household where both of my parents are excellent cooks, right,
and yet if there was one criticism that I would
make of their cooking, at least in the early years
of my life, it's that they had a tendency to

(33:05):
sort of boil vegetables and overcook them to the point
that they get so stringy that one couldn't really digest them,
you know, you'd end up sort of chewing like you'd
end up chewing the sort of this protin this matter
for you know what I mean, for like fifteen minutes
of feeling like actually your survival wasn't breaking it down
at all, And anyway, top of the list for that

(33:25):
was leaks. Then then when I started cooking for myself,
I realized that, oh my goodness, if you just dicese
up throwing a good knuckles worth of butter into a pan,
there are few things that are more delicious.

Speaker 17 (33:41):
I couldn't agree more because even though you do, you
either want to cook them fast and cristy, which I'm
going to give us the reci before, or slow, which
I'm also going to give us the rest before. You're
actually like, they need lots of fat around them, I
think so that they kind of melt was. I think
in our parents' day there was much more of a
tendency to shy away from some of those expensive engreens,
so we were steaming things or as you say, a

(34:02):
boiled leak is nobody's friend, let me tell you, you know. So, Yeah,
I love it, but a lot of people waste quite
a lot of the leak, so they'll they'll use the white,
but we all know we use the white. But they'll
use some of them when it starts to get a
little bit light green, and then the rest of the
exit of dark green goes at the compost. And I
used to do the same until a hippy friend of

(34:23):
mine was sort of looked at me with horror and said,
don't you use all of that? I said, not to
be discarded. Well, absolutely not, No you don't. So I've
got two lovely little ideas. One's a crispy leak topping.
So with that dark green, I mean, I'm going to
say that you'll be forgiven for say, throwing away the
last two sing to meters. Okay, but simly slice up

(34:43):
all of the tops of your green leaks, and so
this time you're sitting aside the good part, if you like,
or what we thought of the good part.

Speaker 11 (34:49):
Rinse them in a bowl of.

Speaker 17 (34:50):
Really cold water. And once they're chopped up, Once they're sliced,
because that keeps some of that dirt and sandiness out
of them, put them on your paper towel or in
my case of teatowel and just pat them dry. Then
heat a pan to medium, and I think here goes
that the kicker is one big t spoon of butter
and the same with oil. Shallow fry them jack until

(35:10):
they're brown, just starting to brown, and they'll go crispy.
Now the you could add some tarrigan. You could add
some thyme here, and then season them really well with
salt and pepper. Set them aside. This is a great
top off of fish, risotto, salads, or you could call
it completely and then stir it into some softened butter
and you've got what a chef's like to call a

(35:32):
compound butter. I eat something that's been flavored and then
you just smear it all over some crusty bread, maybe
a good thick piece of toast, and you are in
the heaven.

Speaker 11 (35:41):
I can tell you.

Speaker 3 (35:42):
Oh that does sound amazing.

Speaker 15 (35:43):
Yeah.

Speaker 17 (35:45):
The other way that I like to do them is
a softened leak compost. That's just a fancy name for
saying some slow cooks. So again I chop that green
part up, but this time I'll probably do it in
about one to two centimeters lents melt more butter. This
time we're using three tablespoons of butter plus run of
olive oil and a pan and then adde aleks and
cook them over a medium of heat. And I put them,

(36:07):
put the lid on and keep and cover them for
about twenty minutes.

Speaker 12 (36:11):
They take a while.

Speaker 17 (36:11):
Add in a crushed garlic clove, add and some zest
of a lemon, add in a splash of white wine,
bit of salt and pep up maybe even some cream
or some cream fresh and then cook them for another
fifteen to twenty minutes. But you're not doing you're doing
other things in that time. Yeah, probably the kids play
sport at that time. And then the leaks are soft
and melting and a beautiful and I like to do

(36:32):
this slot through pasta good bit of parmesan. Again, you
could serve it on toast with a good dollar of
sour cream, smear it over a pizza base, top it
with some bacon and cheese for a blank white pizza,
Loosen it up with some hot stock, and treat it
just as you water soup. So there's some really great ideas,
you know, put them in a put them in an omelet,

(36:53):
salt them with mushrooms, put them in a cheesy keiche,
that kind of thing. But we do not have to
be wasting I would say at least fifty percent of
our leaks. So there, you guys.

Speaker 3 (37:01):
You could even do that. You could use the crispy
topping like on a kisha or something, ah like, you
could combine that. You can have the white pardon, you know,
in a slow cookdish and then have a little crispy
something on top o a leak.

Speaker 17 (37:13):
Risotto, krispy leaks on top. Yeah, honestly, it's fantastic. And
so I you know, if you've been wasting all of
those leaks, this is that's the end of it. Honestly,
it's fantastic. I'm like you, I love a leak. I
think they're a very underrated vegetable superb.

Speaker 3 (37:27):
Thank you so much, Nicky. Well, we'll put those two
separate recipes up on the News talks 'b website. No
excuse for throwing away all that green goodness.

Speaker 17 (37:35):
Fantastic giving you the inside.

Speaker 1 (37:37):
Scoop on all you need to know Saturday morning with
Jack Team News Talks.

Speaker 3 (37:44):
Ah, David's got the right idea, Jack, I throw leak
tops and other things into a pressure cooker with the
right bones for great bone broth. Yeah, that's a very
good use. Thank you. David. Those two recipiece of Nikki's
are going up on the website. If you're looking for
anything from our show, the easiest thing to do is
to go to News Talks, eb dot co, dot zed Forward,
slash Jack. Now after ten o'clock, remember that amazing series

(38:06):
of Best Homes with Phil Spencer. He's back. He's got
a brand new series. We're going to tell you about
it in our screen time segment where we recommend three
shows for watching or streaming at home, as well as
that key we author Elizabeth Knox is going to be
with us. She's had a really amazing and kind of
varied career over the years. So she's written best sellers

(38:26):
like Vintner's Luck, but she has also spent a lot
of time thinking about younger readers and the kinds of
stories that captivate younger readers. So she's got a brand
new book called Kings of the World. It's been a
bit of a long time coming, by her own admissions,
I think ten or twelve years she's been working on
this book. So she's going to be with us right
after the ten o'clock News with all the details on that.

(38:48):
I hear you go all the Love's coming up. Jack,
totally agree with you. Are out about the ridiculous box
kicks this morning. Maybe we need to start a campaign
hopefully raise us tuning in It's almost ten o'clock. News
is next Saturday Morning. I'm Jack Tame. This is news
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Speaker 1 (39:08):
What cracking way to start your Saturday Saturday morning with
Jackdame News talks EDB.

Speaker 3 (39:39):
Good morning, You're with Jack Daime on News Talks EDB.
Elizabeth Knox is one of New Zealand's most celebrated authors.
She's known, of course for the likes of Vintner's Luck
and The Absolute Book, but she also writes essay collections
and young adult stories. But would you get this? It
has been twelve years since Elizabeth last wrote a book

(39:59):
for young people. That was, at least until this week,
when her brand new novel Kings of This World was released.
Kings of This World tells the story of a young
protagonist who's the sole survivor of a cult massacre, and
Elizabeth is with us this morning. Called a good morning, Tiaha.
It is great to be speaking with you. Congratulations on

(40:19):
Kings of This World. This is your first novel for
young adults, and I think like eleven or twelve years.
So what made you return to that audience.

Speaker 7 (40:28):
Well, I was returning, but over a very long horizon
because it took me a long time to write this book,
because I had the bad habit of writing several books
at the same time.

Speaker 3 (40:39):
Is that what I recommend to Elizabeth? Several books at
one at the same time.

Speaker 7 (40:45):
I developed the strategy when I had a lot of
distractions in my life and I decided to distract myself
so I had some power over that, and then I
came out of it and thought I'd solve the problem
and I could always keep doing that, but no bad habit.

Speaker 11 (40:59):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (41:00):
Yeah, So that means that it took a wee while
or slightly longer than it might have if you were
just focusing on Kings of the not slightly. Yes, well,
I'm sure that young readers will be absolutely delighted that
you've reached this point. Can you tell us a little
bit about Kings of This World?

Speaker 7 (41:17):
Kings of This World is the protagonist is Vex Magdalene,
and she, at eight years old, was a sole survivor
of a cult massacre, and she has been raised in
institutions by experts, and then by a very good foster family,

(41:38):
and it's only in her last year of high school
that she's let out. Now, the thing about the massacre
is that it's the only massacre of people who are
pushed to death. And in this country they have a
kind of an endemic thing going on where one percent
of the population is able to tell other people what

(41:58):
to do and they'll do it. But of course that's
a spectrum, so some people can when the is an
attentive to get a good table at a restaurant, and
other people are able to do crowd control. So Vex's
father was up at the crowd control end of the spectrum,

(42:20):
and he also survived the massacre and then disappeared. And
she gets to go to school in her last year,
and the school that she chooses to go to is
the preferred school of the percentage the people who have
p Yeah, right.

Speaker 3 (42:38):
So where does your interest in cults stem from?

Speaker 7 (42:41):
Oh, this is a hard one who's not interested in cults?
True watching things, Yeah, things evolve on television news.

Speaker 3 (42:53):
When I was a child and also.

Speaker 7 (42:57):
Kind of been being a child and teenager in the
sixties and seventies and sort of seeing the alternative lifestyle
thing and the evangelistic idea that you could take your
group of people off and make a better world in
a small place, which you know was often well intentioned.

(43:19):
And I always think of the very historic New Zealand
ones that were pacifists during World War Two. Those those
there weren't cults per save it and communities. Yeah, so yeah,
so just I was always interested.

Speaker 3 (43:37):
I suppose there are always that that there there are really
good sort of portal into different components in human psychology,
aren't they. You know, whether it's the kind of the
nature of the ways in which you know, groups interact
or members of a group interact with one another, ways
in which people can be led in certain directions, that
there are all sorts of interesting parts of the human

(43:58):
psyche that can be unpacked when you when you know,
look at it through the frame of a cult.

Speaker 7 (44:04):
Yes, in the sort of ideology. So I was inventing
an ideology that wasn't just in the end the backstory,
but still playing out in the world and then impacting
on Vex's continued life, in the life of her four
friends who end up kidnapped with her.

Speaker 3 (44:23):
So do you write with young adult readers in mind,
or does the book find its own audience as the
story forms.

Speaker 7 (44:31):
Both at the same time. Like, I have the idea,
and then I think that would work as a young
adult book, and I start to write it accordingly, and
I have a few I have one now, I have
one central principle for young adult as opposed to adult
fiction is and that is that you can't deprive the
readers of hope. So with that in mind, I was

(44:54):
able to write a you know.

Speaker 3 (44:56):
A pretty scary thriller.

Speaker 7 (44:57):
And I don't think that young readers need to be
defended from suspense and and you know, fear and things
like that obviously. So you know, my kidnapping plays out
like a kidnapping, except the clever young people managed to

(45:22):
get out, they managed to survive, and it's it was
interesting me to try to work it out in a
practical sense that the people who don't have pee, the
two people in the room who don't.

Speaker 3 (45:37):
Have any.

Speaker 7 (45:40):
Or you know, no one thinks they have any, well
they don't and they are just just either very strong
or very very self possessed and cunning. So yeah, the
kind of the weakest member of the team, the swatty
girl is the one that kind of pulls things off.

Speaker 3 (46:00):
And yeah, well, why is the hope component so important
to you for young readers?

Speaker 7 (46:07):
Well, I mean, I just think that that that that
kind of moment where you go from being a child
who feels no sense that they're ever going to be
made responsible for the way the world's organized, and then
through the years where you suddenly realize that you have
an inheritance and it isn't you know, isn't necessarily the

(46:28):
beautiful house, it's the falling down house. And I think
they've got a lot on their plates during those years,
and so if you're going to expose them to art, you,
I mean, it's just kind and encouraging to show them
that you know, you can have agency and yeah, to

(46:51):
take response, take responsibility and and make your own decisions
and not be punished for that.

Speaker 3 (46:57):
Yeah. So that's interesting, right, because you're hoping that readers
will get something out of it. I suppose you're hoping
that they'll get a message out of it as well
as simply being entertained or being consumed by a story.
You're really hoping that young readers, in particular, and in
a way that maybe you don't feel the same compulsion
with older readers. Is that fair?

Speaker 12 (47:18):
Well?

Speaker 7 (47:18):
I think that whatever the view of the world is
in a novel always rises out of the author's feelings
for living in the world, and so it's not so
much a message as just kind of changing the color
of people's thinking a little bit so that they're able

(47:41):
to kind of see things in or feel things a
bit differently. And with this one, I was interested in
the fact that the young people ended up not trusting
any of their elders around them or thinking they were
functionally useless one way or another, because they were so

(48:03):
sidelined after the kidnapping, after the investoration, and so they
make a series of decisions, good and bad, to try
and work out what's happened and do something about it.
And yeah, they and it's good for them that they
do that. They come out bigger and stronger and and

(48:24):
closer together to each other.

Speaker 3 (48:27):
Yeah right, I mean that, Actually that makes total sense, really,
And so you've just been on a writer's retreat, right, Elizabeth?
How was that?

Speaker 5 (48:35):
Oh?

Speaker 7 (48:35):
Yes, it's the best gig. So twice a year I
take workshops at a writer's retreat, and the workshop component
is kind of playing a murder mystery, and it's it's
always hilarious.

Speaker 11 (48:53):
You know.

Speaker 7 (48:54):
The people who come into it who haven't done it
before are slightly dubious, but I have a lot of
repeat people coming back, so that that's my kind of
like skeleton of people with faith in the pro So
that happens and then and then I also have kind
of time alone with each attendee to talk about the

(49:14):
project that they're working on. And I love that partly
because I come away feeling incredibly useful, and boy, I
think feeling useful is about the best you can feel.
And also because there's always these fantastic cooks cook every meal.

(49:34):
So yeah, there was one fabulous cook and now there's
another fabulous cook and it's vegan and gluten free, and
it's just this incredibly tasty and really good for you
food that turns up at breakfast, lunch, and dinner. And
when do you get that.

Speaker 3 (49:55):
Sort of been nourished in every sense, both literally and
a nutritional sense, but also in an intellectual sense as well.

Speaker 7 (50:02):
Yes, yes, completely nourishing experience. So yeah, that's yeah. And
that's that's run by Kerrie Sunderland and Nelson right around
New Zealand is her little business.

Speaker 3 (50:14):
Oh, how amazing. How does the murder mystery work?

Speaker 7 (50:17):
The murder mystery? Oh yeah, the murder mystery. I change
it up every year. So it used to be a
murder and a little New Zealand cold, suburban cul des
arc and then it became a murder in a eighteen
thirty's English country house. And I've just done a boys'
school in nineteen sixty three, and all sorts of things happen,

(50:40):
but there are patterns, and you know that's they're hilarious
and slightly disgraceful, and that year after year the murder
victim always turns out to have been sleeping with everyone. No,
the lot of hilarity. Yes, it does work.

Speaker 3 (50:59):
It does sound like fun. Yeah, it sounds amazing. Hey,
thank you so much. Congratulations and we are so pleased
that despite I don't say a bumpy rde but despite
a slightly elongated process, that things have ultimately worked out.
Congratulations on Kings of this World.

Speaker 12 (51:15):
Thank you.

Speaker 3 (51:16):
That is Elizabeth Knox. All the details for Kings of
this World are up on the news talks he Deep website.
It's eighteen past ten before eleven o'clock on news Talks.
He'd b Apple has had its big splash, grand new
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that in the past have had executives dancing on stage
and Steve Job saying this is going to change your life. Well,

(51:38):
the iPhone seventeen has been released. Is it really going
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(51:59):
past ten.

Speaker 1 (52:01):
Start your weekend off the right way. Saturday Morning with
jackdam Talk.

Speaker 3 (52:07):
Twenty two minutes past ten on Newstalks. He'd be Jack.
Absolutely love Elizabeth Knox and her writing. Vintas Luck is
one of my favorite reads. So really good to see
that she's got a new book out. Appreciate the text
this morning, Jack says Russell. It is not often that
I agree with you. I love texts that begin with that,
but says Russell. But this time, regarding the all Blacks

(52:29):
and Box kicks. I fully agree, says Russell. I'm please Russell.
We're on the same page with that one. Thank you
ninety two ninety two. If you want to see me
a message Jack at Newstalks, he'd be dot coda and inzad.
If you weren't listening before ten o'clock, we missed you.
I just went off on a bit of a rant.
I'm just sick of the all blacks box kicking quite
as often as they do when they only seem to
get the ball back fifty percent of the time. It's
a twenty meter advantage at best. So what's the point.

(52:50):
Why are we continuing to do this? Anyway? I'll get
to more of your feedback very shortly. Right now, though,
it is screen time time. Time to catch up with
Tara Wards. She's our screen time expert. It is her
role every week to recommend three shows for watching or
streaming at home. Hey, Tara, good morning will begin this
morning with a show that's streaming on Neon starring Mark Ruffalo.

(53:12):
Tell us about Task.

Speaker 15 (53:14):
Yeah.

Speaker 12 (53:15):
Task is HBO's latest crime thriller.

Speaker 14 (53:18):
And you might remember the show Mayor of Eastown that
came out a few years ago at starred Kate Winslet. Yep,
she played a detective in Pennsylvania and it was quite
a slow, gritty crime thriller. Well, this latest series, Task
is made by the same creator of Mayor of Eastown,
Brand Englesby, and it feels quite similar. It has that
same kind of slow pace, it's set in working class communities,

(53:38):
and it's got a similar kind of worn down mood
to it. But as you say, it stars Mark Ruffalo,
who is great in this. He plays an FBI agent
who is dealing with a family tragedy and he's also
been assigned to a case involving some violent home invasions
in Philadelphia and those robberies are linked to local drug
houses and so he needs to find the criminals before

(54:02):
it escalates into a drug war. And so he pulls
together a task of agents tasticles of agents to help
him investigate, and what he thinks is going to be
a simple case turns into this violent game of cat
and mouse. And like Mayor of Eastown, this is about
how crime has a ripple effect in communities, and how
the system is rigged against some people, and how personal

(54:24):
and professional lives just always get tangled up. It's a
great show. But I think you have to be in
the right mood for this. It's slow, quite herevy, very atmosphere,
but you know, it's HBO, so it's.

Speaker 12 (54:36):
A quality series.

Speaker 14 (54:37):
It's kind of beautifully bleak and if you like Mayor
of Eastown you will definitely like this as well.

Speaker 3 (54:41):
I love Mayor of Eastown, so that's a bit of
me by the sounds of things. So that's Task that
stars Mark Ruffalo. It's on Neon on Prime Video.

Speaker 12 (54:50):
The Girlfriend, Yes, something very different.

Speaker 14 (54:53):
This is a new psychological thriller starring Robin Wright and
Olivia Cook, and it's about how a mother's perfect life
starts to fall apart when her son brings his new
girlfriend home. The mother, Laura, lives in London. She's a
a wealthy gallery owner and she's very close with her
adult son Daniel, almost to the point of having an
unhealthy relationship. But everything changes when Daniel meets this new girlfriend.

(55:17):
Laura is immediately suspicious of her and starts to dig
into her past, uncovers several eyes and things begin to
unravel and it's a story of manipulation and jealousy and
the question is is Laura warranted and trying to protect
her son or is she just paranoid and obsessed with him?
And when I started watching this, you know, it throws

(55:37):
a few cliches that you straight away and I thought, oh,
I've seen this show lots of times before, but then
it pulled me in really quickly, and this is going
to be my weekend watch. I think most of that
is to do with Robin Wright, who is just fantastic
in this. She's directing this as well. But it's one
of those shows that you don't know who's telling the truth,
You don't know who to believe. Nothing is as it seems,

(55:59):
and it plays around with perspectives and storytelling, so you
see the same events.

Speaker 12 (56:03):
From different viewpoints and that keeps you guessing.

Speaker 14 (56:07):
You know, it's not perfect, but it's compelling and it's entertaining,
and it gets darker as it goes along.

Speaker 3 (56:11):
Yeah. Cool, Okay, that's the girlfriend. That's on Prime Video
and on TV and Z one and TV and Z
Plus from tomorrow night. New Zealand's Best Homes with Phil
Spencer as another series.

Speaker 14 (56:22):
New season of the very popular tv Z show that
takes us inside some of New Zealand's most impressive homes
and as the name sueduced. This is presented by Phil Spencer,
who of course most famous here for his British property
shows like Location, Location, Location, and Love It All Listed,
And he's flown back to New Zealand to visit eighteen

(56:43):
more spectacular luxury million dollar properties built in the mountains
and beside the beach in places like Wantaka and Corimandel
and Bay of Islands. And it's sort of a celebration
of the architecture and the artistry of these houses, and
he meets the owners and the architects and learns more
about what they were trying to do and how those
houses fit in with the environment around them, and it's

(57:06):
it's a beautiful show to watch. Many of us will
never step foot inside houses like these, so it's answering
that endless curiosity that we have with these property TV
shows about seeing how other people love It's. Yeah, pretty
spectacular houses and that's that's one of my fast.

Speaker 3 (57:22):
Okay cool, So that's back tomorrow night on TV and
Z one and streaming on TV and Z Plus thereafter.
Of course, thanks Tara, those shows once again New Zealand's
Best Homes with Phil Spencer. The Girlfriend is on Prime
Video and task is the one with Mark Ruffalo that
is streaming on neon.

Speaker 8 (57:43):
Getting your Weekends started. It's Saturday Morning with Jack Team
on News Talk.

Speaker 5 (57:48):
Zb been now ever here with him.

Speaker 3 (58:09):
That is Ed Shearon with Azizam. He's just released his
eighth album. The album's called Play. That song's a funny
one though. So Aziza is a Persian word, and it
is a Persian word that kind of means like my
my beloved, like sweetheart or something like that, and you
can use it for uh, you know, cute little kids

(58:30):
in the family or something. Is He's the reason I
not this is of course that I'm married to a
Persian or my amare's a Persian. And when Id Sheeran
came out with a song called as the Persian Family,
group chat went crazy. Everyone was like, what, hang on,
Id Shearon has a song called Aziza, Like we're talking

(58:51):
about the same Id Shearon here, the guy from Yorkshire, right,
Like yeah, we're talking about him having a song called
Asesa was very confusing anyway, catchy song. So the last
couple of Wed Shearon albums haven't gone that well in
terms of sales or at least by each sharing standards. Right,
So if you go back to twenty seventeen, his album
Divides sold like eight and a half million records in

(59:13):
the UK alone, but his last couple of albums have
only sold less than half a million copies world wide.
I think, to be honest, though, it doesn't really matter,
because he released those albums while traveling the world on
a one hundred and sixty nine stop stadium tour that
I think Ed probably did pretty well out of. On
that tour, he had more than a million people seeing

(59:33):
and perform live in London alone, and his new album
Play has gone straight to number one our music review
at Stelle. Clifford's going to run us through her favorite
tracks before midday. Funny too, because each Heeron's been talking
about maybe making a bit of a switch into country
music at the moment, So looking forward to having a
bit of a listen to that before eleven o'clock on
news talks, he'd be rude clime past our man, and

(59:54):
the garden is going to be in the garden with
all the things you need to do in your garden
to get organized for spring. Rud centers a warning saying
now is the time to get organized. If you've been
sitting on your hands a little bit over the wet
last couple of months. Now is the time to change
all of that. So he'll be with us very shortly.
Next up, though, our texpert is in twenty seven to
eleven on Newstalks ZEDB putting.

Speaker 1 (01:00:16):
The tough questions to the newspeakers The mic Asking Breakfast the.

Speaker 16 (01:00:20):
National Curriculum Refresh. Education Minister Ericus Stanford is with us.
Why these specific subjects and how do you choose them?

Speaker 18 (01:00:26):
Well, the Ministry of Education have given me quite a
lot of advice, but there's also some of things that
we've been talking about for a very long time, like Civix,
but we've never done and there's been many groups have
called for a Civics to be taught in our schools
and so that was a no brainer.

Speaker 16 (01:00:38):
Growing pushback that appears to be building around general changes
too in CEA. Is this a fight building?

Speaker 2 (01:00:44):
No, I don't think so.

Speaker 15 (01:00:45):
I think actually things that shifting.

Speaker 18 (01:00:47):
I was talking to our principle yesterday who said many
of the principals who signed that original letter now have
changed their minds, which is encouraging.

Speaker 16 (01:00:54):
Back Monday from six am The mic Asking Breakfast with
Bailey's Real Estate News Talk ZEDB twenty.

Speaker 3 (01:01:00):
Five to eleven, non newstalk EDB. Apple had its big
splash event this week, the one they do in septem
every year with our announced new iPhones. But like I've
lamented on the show before, it sort of feels like
we're at a stage when it comes to smartphones, like
the iterations don't really change that much. They're just kind
of tweaking the cameras a little bit, tweaking the storage,
making it all go a little bit fast, or our textbit.

(01:01:22):
Paul Stenhouse was no doubt watching alongside all the Apple
geeks of the world. What did you make it a Paul?

Speaker 19 (01:01:29):
Yeah, that we are geeks, aren't we. It's pretty sad.
I've been looking at the line up and thinking.

Speaker 2 (01:01:33):
Do I don't I do I?

Speaker 19 (01:01:36):
But here's the thing, Jack, they're making it more complicated
for the Apple fans and the Apple geeks because they've
added a new phone to the mix. So it used
to be that you were just saying where you're going
to get basically the iPhone or the iPhone Pro, and
now they've gone and added this iPhone Air, which looks
really cool. And what they've done is they've managed to
kind of squeeze the entire phone components into an area

(01:02:00):
at the top of the phone, and then the rest
of the phone is just very very thin. It's basically
all battery. Yeah, And so they say that it's the
thinnest iPhone ever, and I will say that there are
forums on the internet that claim that it is not.
The body might be, but the camera area obviously is
quite thick, because it's kind of you know, so, is
it really the thinnest iPhone? Put that one through legal?

Speaker 3 (01:02:24):
Yeah, yeah, it's I mean, are people really like is
this is where the iteration has got to It is
are people really that exercised by something that's marginally slimmer
than other versions of smartphones? Or might perform later and later?

Speaker 19 (01:02:40):
Yeah, I personally wish, like I buy the phone largely
for the camera. Obviously I use it to you know,
I even talk to you on this on my iPhone,
But like, the draw for me is the camera. But
if you could put that same camera in a significantly
smaller phone, and I mean with and height kind of smaller,

(01:03:01):
not thinner, don't care, I would be very happy. That
would be a dream. I don't want the big who
wants that big max one. That's crazy, do you But
do you know one of the reasons they made the
iPhone ear possible was one as they have been building
their own chips for mobile for quite some time, so
the actual processor it runs on is made by Apple

(01:03:22):
that silicon, but they also now are doing their own modems,
and so that innovation, plus the fact that they got
rid of the SIM card slot, which takes up a
fair amount of space in the side, has meant that
that whole body in the middle is now just all battery.
And the thing that caught my eye about them going
getting rid of the SIM card and going all in

(01:03:44):
on eSIM is great because I don't know if you've
ever tried to change phone providers, but it's a bit
of a nightmare. eSIM makes it so much easier.

Speaker 2 (01:03:53):
You still have to do.

Speaker 19 (01:03:54):
The number porting thing and blah blah blah, but it
just the fact you don't have to go into a
store and buy that silly little chip and all that stuff.
But also, if you're going overseas, you don't need to
pay your current carrier the roaming charges. You just go
overseas and you can buy eSIMs just directly on your
phone to get roaming data, you pay significantly less than

(01:04:18):
what you would if you were doing the kind of
you know sometimes like five dollars a day and stuff
like that, right, or ten dollars a gig and crazy numbers.

Speaker 3 (01:04:25):
And so I do that when I when I go
overseas often I'll buy a physical sim card, like if
I'm somewhere. Yeah, right, So you could go to say
Jack and Paul were going on holiday together to Columbia.
Lucky Jackeman. I know it would be nice, wouldn't it.
So we go to Columbia, we arrive in Columbia, and
upon arrival we can just use the Wi Fi at

(01:04:46):
the hotel to buy an ESOM, which we then installs
kind of automatically on our phone and then means that
you're paying local rates as opposed to paying international roaming.
But if someone were to text Jack or Paul from
back in your subbit or in the US to our
normal number, it still comes through to us, it does.

Speaker 19 (01:05:06):
Yeah, And if you're using I message it still will
as well because you've got that data. So because you
can run you can run now multiple numbers on your
on your device. You could even have two lines. Yeah,
people over here have, you know, like a work number
and a personal number both on the on their iPhone
and you can be on different carriers too.

Speaker 20 (01:05:22):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:05:22):
This is one of the thing for anyone who has
a work phone in a personal phone. You can actually
have them both on the same phone.

Speaker 12 (01:05:28):
You can.

Speaker 5 (01:05:28):
Yeah, that's cool.

Speaker 3 (01:05:29):
Yeah.

Speaker 19 (01:05:30):
So look, I think that one was kind of like, Okay,
that's good, that's kind of exciting. It's good because I
think as well it will it will also just kind
of force the providers into thinking eSIM first, which I
think will then kind of make it easier and drive
adoption and all of that good stuff.

Speaker 5 (01:05:44):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:05:44):
Okay, Spotify, and it's making some big changes that have
long been signaled. Finally, it's music quality is stepping up.

Speaker 5 (01:05:53):
Yeah.

Speaker 19 (01:05:54):
And here's here's something you don't hear every day. They
won't be charging you extra for that improvement too, which
is quite nice, isn't it. So they are rolling out
their kind of high fi lossless audio offering, which some
of the other services have had now for quite some time.
I mean, they first talked about this is coming later
this year in twenty twenty one. It's twenty twenty five,
so you know, good news. So they're going to be

(01:06:16):
rolling it out to fifty markets around the world. Good
news New Zealand is on that list. You'll get a
push alert if you're a if you're a Spotify subscriber
to say that you can now turn it on. And
that's the key part. You actually have to manually turn
it on you go into your setting, So look up
for that, but it should be coming in the next
couple of months.

Speaker 3 (01:06:34):
Oh nice. And Microsoft co Pilot, which is the big
program being used increasingly by businesses. You know, for anyone
who's used the kind of outlook and Microsoft word the
suite of products that now has specialist AI agents. So
for any it doesn't understand what an AI agent is,
do you just want to start there.

Speaker 19 (01:06:52):
Yeah, So it's a specialist kind of chatbot that can
do very particular things. So what Microsoft has kind of
made a little bit confusing. They've had the Copilot thing,
which is kind of for everyone, and then they had
these other agents you could buy that you actually have
to pay additional subscriptions to. So now you can get
them effectively for free because they're all included in copilots.

(01:07:13):
You're going to save a little bit of money. But
as an example, the finance agent for example. You think
of your agent like a person, a virtual assistant. So
it can now integrate into your enterprise resource planning system,
your ERP, something like SAP. How many acronyms can I
throwout you so you can effectively connect your accounting system.

(01:07:35):
Let's let's put it that way into that and then
you can ask your questions directly in Copilot or Excel
or Outlook. So imagine you needed to send an email
to a client requesting payment, for example, you could say,
draft me the email, It'll go away, grab the data
from SAP, put it into your email, and then could
even mark offer to do checklist in an Excel spreadsheet.

(01:07:57):
That's the type of stuff.

Speaker 3 (01:07:58):
Yeah, cool, so pretty neat.

Speaker 19 (01:07:59):
So they've got them for sales, they've got them for
service to customer, service and finance, so certainly help people.

Speaker 3 (01:08:07):
Hey what phone are you rocking at the moment, Paul.

Speaker 6 (01:08:11):
I think I'm on it.

Speaker 3 (01:08:12):
See that's telling, isn't it? Or a sixteen that's telling
the fact that you say you being the biggest tech
geek I know, say, I think that shows you how
much smartphones haven't really changed over the last few years.

Speaker 19 (01:08:24):
I hold onto mind so much longer, I really do.
You know, the only reason I upgrade is because I
give my old one to my parents. And you know,
if I'm on a two year cycle, that means one
of the parents is on a four six year cycle.

Speaker 3 (01:08:36):
Right, So you know I'm on an iPhone eleven. So yeah, yeah, yeah,
so I've got to after as soon as I get
off the line to you here, I'm going to fire
up the coal powered furnace and I'm gonna I'm gonna.

Speaker 12 (01:08:48):
Reach You're going to a year.

Speaker 19 (01:08:50):
It's really hard to know that orange color is pretty
cool on the prouce.

Speaker 3 (01:08:53):
I mean, my problem is that the older they get,
with the more computing power they supposedly need, I'm convinced
that these companies stop giving them the you know, they
stop giving them the security upgrades and things they need.
So my one can still receive all the security upgrades,
but not for much longer. So maybe I'll have to
update it sometime soon.

Speaker 19 (01:09:10):
Hey, treat yourself, Jack, treat.

Speaker 3 (01:09:12):
I don't know in this economy, Paul, Hey, thank You've
spoken like a man who doesn't have a six month
old who's eating his way through half the house already.
Paustine House is our text butert of course, right now
at sixteen to eleven our Master Somelier with his wine
pick of the week.

Speaker 2 (01:09:26):
Next, no better way to kick off your weekend.

Speaker 1 (01:09:30):
Then with Jack Saturday Morning with Jack, Team News Talk said,
there you go, Amanda's on twitch.

Speaker 3 (01:09:37):
Jack, we activate our e sims just as we're boarding
a plane. How about that? Used it in the States
in May, using it in Portugal next week? Gee, tough
life for you, Amanda states in Portugal than one year.
My goodness, it does sound does sound really useful though,
kind of amazing that it's taken this long for them
to get that technology for cell phones really right, that

(01:09:57):
we're still kind of using the physical sim cards for phones.
I appreciate that. Ninety two ninety two is our text
number if you want to get in touch with us.
This morning. Cameron Douglas is Master somlie and this week
for his wine pick, he's chosen a Tiki single Vineyard
pen and whil Rose. The vintage is twenty twenty four
from North Canterbury and retail for about twenty six dollars.

(01:10:18):
Celda Cameron CURLTA good morning, So talk to us a
little bit. First of all about this rose's color. How
do you think about the right color for rose wines?

Speaker 21 (01:10:28):
Well, the truth is there's only one document that I've
seen online that displays the different range of colors for rose.
So what that means in an instant is that all
colors of rose are valid. But the trend, of course
at the moment is people who target wines that have

(01:10:49):
that pale, anemic looking salmon color. And it's a valid color,
but it's not the only color. I've tasted fabulous New
Zealand and international examples that are quite raspberry red through
to a deeper red color, through to almost pale, pale
salmon pink. You know, it's that there is a range

(01:11:12):
and all colors are acceptable. But I also have to
accept that most of the samples that cross my desk
these days are quite sort of that salmon apricot color,
and the wines can taste fabulous.

Speaker 3 (01:11:24):
Yes, So tell us about the Tiki single vineyard pin
and Wi rose.

Speaker 21 (01:11:28):
Well, it's coming, you know, we're in spring. Touchwood and
smers just around the corner, and roses are wines that
are very very popular. Tiki as a single vineyard pen
and rose struck me as one of a bouquet of
ripeness and freshness, and it was a rose of complexity

(01:11:52):
as style, and very few roses can have the sense
of sight around them, so that minerality or earthiness that
we tend to find as an echo through wine is
quite strong with the teki rose. Lots of flavors of tea,
raspberry and roses and even some tropical fruits, so it
ticks all the boxes in terms of aromatics and flavors.

(01:12:14):
But of course taste and mouthfeel are important as well,
and I find this one had a nice little satin
touch with a backbone of acidity, so very very nice wine.

Speaker 3 (01:12:23):
Yeah nice. It was twenty twenty four a good season.

Speaker 21 (01:12:27):
Overall, it was very good. I think the South Island
fed a little better than the North Island. There was
a bit of frost around, but overall I think North
Canterbury and Central Otago combined got the love the most,
and there was a little bit of hail and whatnot,

(01:12:47):
but it tended to achieve above average yields and wine
makers spoke about really how happy they were. Overall.

Speaker 3 (01:12:55):
Very good. What would you match this weather? Do you think?

Speaker 5 (01:12:59):
Well?

Speaker 21 (01:12:59):
Rosees a wine that sort of weaves in and out
a lot of different foods, so you can match it
with almost anything except probably big red steaks, but even
then it can work quite well. I think rose is
well suited to dishes that relatively complex or have quite

(01:13:20):
a strong flavor underpin of gentle spices, even a little
bit of sugar. But cheeseboards absolutely yes, minnestrone soup, absolutely yes.
If you have a cheeseboard with figs and apricots and
strawberries and things like that on this summer, you'll be
talking magic with a rose match.

Speaker 3 (01:13:41):
And if you like.

Speaker 21 (01:13:41):
Fish, flaky whitefish, little caper butter sauce and champagne ham
on Christmas Day, you can't go wrong.

Speaker 3 (01:13:48):
That's fantastic, all right. So Cameron's wine for us this
week is a Tiki single vineyard Pino noir rose. The
vintage is twenty twenty four retails from about twenty six dollars.
We'll make sure the details of that are up on
the news talks he'd be website, and he says make
sure that if you are enjoying a rose, you should
serve it between ten and twelve degrees. Don't over chill it.
Too Many of us freeze our roses and you lose

(01:14:10):
some of the complexity, So don't over chill your rose.
Nine to eleven, we're in the garden, next.

Speaker 5 (01:14:15):
Gardling with still shops battery system kits.

Speaker 2 (01:14:18):
Get a second battery half price.

Speaker 3 (01:14:19):
Road climb passes our man in the garden. Good morning,
A good morning Jack.

Speaker 20 (01:14:25):
You're right gardening time, Thank.

Speaker 3 (01:14:28):
You, isn't it. Yeah, it's time to time to create
the work a little bit. That's why we got you
in this morning saying that.

Speaker 20 (01:14:33):
Yeah, yeah, so that's it, so okay. So I mean, honestly,
I'm one of the slowest persons. I'm slower than continental
drifts sometimes when it comes to making decisions. But here
are a couple of freely important ones. My table house
always gets dirty at the top, and it's grime and
elgae and rubbish, and to be quite honest, that stops
the light coming in and making photosynthesis opening because it's

(01:14:57):
slightly darker than normal, or quite a bit darker than normal.
Very simple with me. I'm from the old wedding forget stable.
So I put the rebit on and literally get rid
of the stuff on top of my plastic cover. And
that's It's just an important thing. You need to do
every year. So that's number one. Number two seeds, cuttings, bulbs,

(01:15:20):
all that sort of stuff is too. Is something you
need to get now because from now on the best
growth of new cuttings will be between now and Christmas.
I know it's in some areas it's a bit slower,
but you know what I mean as an awkward you know,
especially in Awkland, you can have a go right now.
Everything will develop to a great young plant. And if
you do it now, you'll be fine. You'll have to

(01:15:43):
start doing that right now. That's a very important point.
Do you know have you do you ever use seed
raising mix?

Speaker 3 (01:15:51):
I don't, no.

Speaker 20 (01:15:53):
See this is funny because I never used either, because
I used popping mix and things. But I had come
to the conclusion that seed raising mix is actually very good.
Especially is what we just talked about seeds and bulbs
and cuttings. Because seed raising the seed raising mixes got
the right NPK and as long as you don't over
water it, make sure don't go over the top, don't

(01:16:16):
overwater it. But seed raising mix is the one that
the quickest way to get your young plants to grow
and when they're a bit bigger, you can start putting
phosphors on and potation nitrogen if you need to, depending
on watches. But now, is seed raising mix always good?

Speaker 2 (01:16:32):
Yeah?

Speaker 20 (01:16:32):
I recommend that.

Speaker 3 (01:16:33):
Okay, Yeah, that's the one.

Speaker 20 (01:16:34):
Number Number three lazy me hedges. The problem with hedges
is no, it's not a problem. The problem with me.
It's that if you don't do your hedges on a
regular basis, they become quite open, if you like. If
you prune them regularly, the hedges will become a lot denser.

(01:16:55):
They get far more site shuts down below, and that
means your head becomes really nice and dense. So I
think it's really important to realize, even though it might
be still cool and it doesn't grow over, you will
start ruining it right now late August great from now on,
and then October and again in December if you like,

(01:17:15):
and you trim.

Speaker 2 (01:17:15):
Them the whole time through.

Speaker 20 (01:17:17):
Yeah, right, And number four is very Number five is
very simple. I've got some trees that are still without leaves,
and that's okay because if you now climb on your ladder,
you can actually see where the branches are very easily,
and you can then.

Speaker 12 (01:17:33):
Prune them and shape them exactly how you want.

Speaker 20 (01:17:36):
Them, and that is really important because then you can
make them as beautiful as you want.

Speaker 3 (01:17:42):
Nice how you repleased tonight that the eight year old
and may go out every morning and we've been mapping
over the last couple of weeks, every morning, going out
and watching the magnolia bushes now front yard and saying
is today, yesterday? The day is today? The day Tuesday
was the day the first blow metag And of course
you know, once onegos, they all go, so you know,
it becomes a it's like a contagion and the best

(01:18:04):
possible way. So yes, as you say, bring us upon us,
now is the time to act. Beg you sir, route
compass in the garden for us after eleven o'clock on
News Talks HEDB. Exercise that matches your personality type and
might help you to stick with it a bit longer.
Plus that new album from Ed Sheeran. News is next
though it's almost eleven. This is News Talks ed.

Speaker 2 (01:18:25):
B Saturday morning with Jack dam keeping.

Speaker 1 (01:18:28):
The conversation going through the weekend News Talks EDB.

Speaker 3 (01:18:55):
Chod and you say, look, good morning, welcome to News
Talk's ed B. If you're just turning us on this morning.
We've missed you, but no dramas. Great to have you
with us. I'm here through to midday today. The protests
or march in downtown Auckland for Palestine is continuing this morning.
I've been looking at the pictures that are coming through
from the scene. I mean, there are clearly thousands of

(01:19:16):
people who have turned out. There are some counter protests
from Destiny's Church. Apparently the people on the Palestinian side
of the march have been told not to interact too
much with the Destiny's Church people. At the moment, at
the very least, it all seems to be relatively civil,
so no big confrontations between the groups. Of course. The
march had been originally planned to go over the Auckland
Harbor Bridge. There have been a couple of techs that

(01:19:38):
have come through this morning from people who said that
they've been planning to march and going over the bridge,
but once the organizers had to change their plans because
of the weather forecast and the strong winds that have
been forecast for today, they said they decided not to
turn out. So interesting to kind of compare the numbers
have turned out today relative to what might have been
if they had been marching over the bridge anyway, I

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will make sure to keep you up to speed over
the next hour or so as that event continues this morning,
don't forget before midday. We've got new music from Edge
here and to play you. He's just released his latest album.
The album's called Play. It's shot to the top of
the charts. So I'm going to pick out a couple
of bangers, and our music reviewer will be here with
her thoughts on that very shortly. Right now, though it's

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eight past eleven, Google Sutherland from Umbrella Wellbeing is with
us this morning, and although he usually focuses on what's
going on in our heads, this morning he's focusing on
the ways in which what's going on in our heads
is influenced by the rest of our body. Good morning, Google,
Cura Jack.

Speaker 15 (01:20:38):
Yes, and hopefully I might be able to take some
tips for myself out of today's session. It's always good
to what is the same physician heal thyself. I'm always
trying to get better at my physical well being. As
I get a little bit older in years, it's become
more to the four for me.

Speaker 3 (01:20:55):
I think, yeah, I'm the same. I mean, I've always
been a big kind of routine guy. And I know
that's not the sexiest thing to say, but I find
that if I don't get good exercise, even after a
couple of days, I start to get a bit ratty.
And so I try and get you know, half an
hour's exercise five or six times a week if possible,
you know, in a dream, in a dream scenario. But

(01:21:15):
it's not so much what it does for my body.
It's honestly what it does my head. Exercise is so
important for my head.

Speaker 15 (01:21:23):
Yeah, absolutely, I'm the same. I usually start the day
with a sort of a forty five minute walk about
six o'clock, and that's I find that's just a really
great time mentally for me, and I'd probably go so
far as to say spiritually for me, it's just a
really nice time of connecting and sort of noticing your

(01:21:44):
place in the world, connecting with something bigger than yourself.
And I know, you know, like you, If I haven't
done it for a day or two, I start to
feel out of sorts and usually takes me a while
to figure out while why I might feel out of sorts,
but it's like, oh, yeah, I actually haven't been out
for that morning walk for the last two days because
of weather or travel or whatever. It is.

Speaker 3 (01:22:03):
Yeah, interesting though how some people are able to stay
with exercise habits more than others. And a new study
from the UK has looked at how personality traits might
impact that.

Speaker 15 (01:22:15):
Yeah, that's right, it's and and when when When you
read it, it does kind of make some pretty good sense.
But but I thought quick sidebar useful to explain the
personality traits that we're talking about, because you know, every
every sort of seemingly every few months, there's new kind
of you know, you'll see something new, particularly on social

(01:22:35):
media feeds around this. You know, have you discovered your
personality type? You know, we're all apples and those people
are oranges, and it's like, I think that's a personality type.
So it is an area that's a bit prone to
sort of pop psychology, you know, trend. So, but there
are five.

Speaker 20 (01:22:55):
Five what we'd call.

Speaker 15 (01:22:56):
Personality traits that are pretty accepted and have been accepted
for a long time. They're called the Big five and
then known by the acronym ocean and so that's that's
there's five of those. So that the first the O
is openness. So how willing am I to try new things?
And remembering that these are all kind of continuum, so

(01:23:16):
you could be high in this or low in this.
So how how how open am I willing to try
new things? Conscientiousness? And I wonder whether you and I
are quite high in this? So this is organized, dependable, reliable,
were like routines and structures and the same thing roughly
at the same time every day, which which I definitely
kind of class myself as the extraversion. And I think

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people are pretty familiar with the extrovert introvert continuum. So
extraversion extraversion is how outgoing, how sociable we are? Where
do we get our energy from? Is it from interacting
with other people? Or is it from sort of downtime,
which is downtime by ourselves, which is much more introverted.
The fourth one is agreeableness, So that's how kind and

(01:24:02):
pathic cooperative I am? How how you know agreeable in
a sense am I with other people? How can I
see their point of view or you know, get alongside them?
And then lastly, neuroticism or that's a little bit of
an old fashioned tern You could easily replace that with
just how nervous are you? How much do you tend

(01:24:23):
to worry or experience negative emotion?

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Speaker 3 (01:24:30):
Now A technology love a better technology when it goes well.
So Google was talking us through the different personality types
that can apparently dictate the ways in which different exercise
routines do or don't work for you. So to remind
you once again, openness, which is your willingness to try
new things, conscientiousness, organized, dependable, reliable, extraversion, agreeableness, and neuroticism,

(01:24:55):
which Google reckons was not really a term that we
use that much, but basically, how anxious do you get?
He is back with us Now we've got everything back
up and running. We think, good morning, Yes, here back again.
I could hear you, but.

Speaker 15 (01:25:07):
You couldn't hear me.

Speaker 3 (01:25:09):
It's very strange. So the so the old acronym ocean
describes the different personality traits, But how do you then
apply those to different exercises?

Speaker 15 (01:25:18):
Yeah, and look, I think people will have you know,
when you think about those sort of those big five,
I think most people kind of have a will have
sort of summnate sense of where they are on that.
So look, three things. Three takeaway points. Those people who
are highly conscientious look that. So remember those are the
sort of the organized, dependable relival. They're more likely to

(01:25:40):
be a bit fitter to start with, probably because people
like us are you know, we get into our rougine
and we keep that rougine even when we might not
want to, and more likely to log more exercise hours
per week. So and that makes some sense. So if
you are higher and that sort of you're sorry in
that conscientious conscientiousness scale, you tend to be able to

(01:26:03):
stick get to a plan and stick to it. So
that's you know, that's an advantage. If you know that
that's sort of the personality style you are, then the
best thing you can probably do is get into a
good habit, make some habits around your fitness, and you'll
probably stick to them quite easily. So that's one takeaway, right,
people who at the second takeaway, people who are more

(01:26:25):
extroverted tend to enjoy kind of more high intensity workouts,
you know, the spin.

Speaker 3 (01:26:30):
Classes and the command everybody, let's go.

Speaker 15 (01:26:34):
And again that makes some sort of sense. So if
you feel like you're high in that, then maybe that's
the type of workout that you should be looking for.
With there's lots of energy, lots of pumping up, lots
of enthusiasm. You might not quite get the same. You
might not find it so easy to stick to something
if it's sort of solitary or walking around, you know,
the streets of Wellington by yourself at six o'clock in

(01:26:56):
the morning, that might not be your thing so much.
So again thinking about can I find something that really
fits the sense of extraversion for me?

Speaker 4 (01:27:04):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:27:04):
Right?

Speaker 15 (01:27:05):
And then the last one neuroticism. So that's the or
the nervousness, you know, tendency to worry. Interesting finding that
that those people that are a bit neurotic tended to
report lower enjoyment of things that took a lot of effort.
They did them, but they didn't really like doing them,
but they did them anyway, and I'll moan about it
and I'll complain about it while I'm doing it. But interestingly,

(01:27:28):
they were the group that reported the highest level of
reduction in mental stress when they were exercising, and so
maybe they were higher in mental and that sort of
stress to start with. But you know, again, if you
tend to worry, you tend to be a bit of
a warrior, a bit of a bit of an overthinker
about things. Maybe you know, just stick with it and actually,

(01:27:51):
you know, get into that pattern and you'll probably find
that physically as well as mentally, you really benefit from it.
So I think great. The overall tip would be to
think about how that ocean though big five apply to
you and see if you can sort of match that
to the type of workout that you're going to try
and do well, the type of activity that you're going
to try.

Speaker 3 (01:28:10):
And yeah, right, okay, that makes a lot of sense actually,
And it's funny because they almost feel intuitive. Those outcomes
almost feel intuitive. Is it a great surprise that the
people who are the most extroverted love the will you know,
rah rah big workouts and they come come on dig deeper.
It's not at all. It's not relotely surprising.

Speaker 15 (01:28:32):
No. Yeah, yeah, so it's good to think, you know,
as you started off at the top saying, you know
that our minds and our bodies we're all surprisingly enough
wrapped up into the we're a single entity. So so
you know, think about all parts of you, your brain
and your body when you're trying to figure out what
sort of the best activity or exercise for you to
get into and stick to.

Speaker 3 (01:28:53):
Yeah, no, that's great. Tips. Hey, thank you so much,
really appreciate it. Doogle appreciate you sticking with us too.
Once the technology drops out there for a moment. Google
Sutherland is of course a clinical psychologist with Umbrella Well Being,
will make sure that's Suddy and Google's outcomes are up
on the news talks. He'd be web type right now.
It's twenty past eleven, Jack teams. We're talking travel. Our

(01:29:14):
travel correspondent is Mike Yardley. He killed a Mike. Oh
hang one going to killed to Mike Yo. Jack trended
down there eventually. Hey, how are you feeling? I know
you're a you are a massive sports fan. Tonight is
going to be a big one. So you've got you
think you've got, uh, well, you got the Black Ferns,

(01:29:34):
who I think kick offs at midnight tonight. Actually you've
got Australia Argentina, which I think is at like four
o'clock this afternoon, isn't it. So yeah, and so then
you've got the Warriors at Sex. You've got the All
Blacks just after seven o'clock. And then you've got the
Black Ferns in their quarter final against South Africa. So
how are you going to be staggering the evening?

Speaker 11 (01:29:53):
Oh well, I'm en route to Nepal as a spinner
in the work Nepal, w Nepal.

Speaker 3 (01:30:00):
Oh my god, in time to go I'm gonna say, yeah,
you're a brave man. Are you there for? Like yeah,
proof best or something? Is that going.

Speaker 11 (01:30:08):
To be the primary purposes for you know, travel? But
who knows, Jack, I might be your war correspondent.

Speaker 3 (01:30:15):
I've been looking at quite a few quinde of quite
a bit of the reporting out of a port because
it's sort of been under reporter over the last couple
of days. I mean, it's always amazing to be in
a place at a kind of turning point in history.
So as so long as you stay safe, Mike, that
will be. Yeah, that'll be extraordinary. But I suppose when
it comes to viewing habits this evening that might mean
that the Abs, the Warriors, the Black Femans have to
take a back seat. So anyway, look look forward to you.

Speaker 11 (01:30:38):
I do have one prediction. I actually think the warriors
will spink Penrith do you being pressed out next week?

Speaker 3 (01:30:46):
That would be there would be vintage warriors from that
would be the way that would the way they usually
do things. Anyway, we're talking about Prague this morning, and
Prague is one of the world's great cities, one of
Europe's great cities, and Old Town Square would have to
be one of Europe's great squares, wouldn't it.

Speaker 11 (01:31:03):
Oh yes, Jack in the city of one hundred spy,
spiky and showy Old Town Square. I reckon it's the
sort of centerpiece every city in the world would cover it,
you know, just that's so good. Obviously, it's played host
to some remarkable moments in history, like Hattler's arrival address,
the announcement of the Communist takeover. It is grand, it's graceful,

(01:31:26):
and then it's sort of tessellated with curiosities like that
ridiculously good six hundred year old astronomical clock that still
blows my mind. I still tanking my head around it
every time. I said, but it's so busy, there's so
much happening. You've got that profession of the Grim Reaper
and the twelve Apostles and the Golden Rooster, and then
it tells the time. It tells the date in various calendars,

(01:31:47):
including the Babylonian calendar. If you're still following that, and
then you've got all the relative positions of the zodiac
consolations wrapped around the clock. It really is a medieval
turds of force.

Speaker 3 (01:31:59):
And when is the best time to savor Charles Bridge.

Speaker 11 (01:32:04):
Well, it's a very good question because obviously Prague does
not get more picture postcard than Charles Bridge. But it
just gets engulfed. You know, it's just heaven with humanity.
I sometimes look at Charles Bridge, think the fingers groaning
under the weight of the world. So if you want
to capture the bridge and it's unruffled, unpeopled glory with

(01:32:26):
all those faintly sculptures, you've got to get there before
seven a m. Set your unpopularly rocked down there, and
you might just score the added bonus at daybreak of
some of those ethereal fingers of morning River missed rising
up to add to the fairy cart moss. I just
love that bridge.

Speaker 3 (01:32:46):
Oh great, So what should you look for in Neurodova Street.

Speaker 11 (01:32:51):
Yeah, a lot of people will cross the bridge on
their way to the behemoth of Prague Castle, and the
street is one that you may be taking up to
the castle. Of course, the castle is where a good
King wintis list of Christmas Carol famous beer, but on
the way up or down from the castle. Yeah, newrodov
is a classic because prior to seventeen seventy, the houses

(01:33:14):
in Prague did not have street numbers. They were distinguished
by signs. And what I love about Neurodova is the
houses there have preserved all of those old symbols and
emblems and they generally indicated what was the profession of
the occupants. Back in seventeen seventy it was very much
the swinky part of town, obviously huddling below the castle

(01:33:36):
to live. So yeah, there'll be goldsmiths and all sorts
of fancy occupants. By the way, there's another really cool
little streets in the castle district which I only discovered
if the first time recently, called Golden Lane. So this
is like a really slinky, cobblestoned alley and it's lined
with these small, colorful houses that look like something out

(01:33:57):
of a Brother's grim Tail. They were built in the
fifteen hundreds of these wee houses. Super cute street to
check out.

Speaker 3 (01:34:04):
Yeah, okay, cool, that sounds really interesting. What about the
John Lennon Wall? How did that come about in Prague.

Speaker 11 (01:34:10):
Yeah, to something completely different. I reckon this wall is
so cold, because obviously Lenin's make Club not War slogan
was a very powerful mobilizer back in the seventies, you know,
amongst the Communist opposition, And after Lenin's death there was
this Czech artist who created this graffiti war in honor
of him, and then many locals would just spontaneously scrawl

(01:34:33):
their own favorite quotes from Lenin's songs onto the wall,
much to the ire of the authorities. But the war
has endured, and it's not only not only played a
pitotal role in the political uprising against the regime in
the eighties, but then it's just continued to remain a
very cherished freedom of speech monument today.

Speaker 3 (01:34:56):
I've only been lucky enough to have a couple of
days in Prague. I mean, it's an amazing city, but
I remember it has museums for all interests, right, Oh.

Speaker 11 (01:35:05):
My goodness, no matter how quirky or niche, Prague seems
to have a museum to scratch every etch, from steampunk
to alchemy and then jack there is the Sex Machines Museum,
the only such museum in the world, apparently but being
an ad and beads old boy curious George was aroused.

(01:35:25):
So this museum is chock full of devices and contraptions
from over the ages. We're talking centuries for mechanically enhanced pleasure,
and I have to know the museum was very thoughtful,
very kind enough to wet a flexible dummy around each
gadget to further demonstrate its intended duke.

Speaker 3 (01:35:46):
Well, your sense of imagination wasn't enough.

Speaker 11 (01:35:48):
Apparently I got a full education.

Speaker 3 (01:35:52):
Yes, yes, brag is a famous sweet tooth. Right, what
are the signature treats?

Speaker 11 (01:35:58):
That's our sort of town jack.

Speaker 15 (01:36:00):
Yes.

Speaker 11 (01:36:00):
After a lot of taste testing in Prague's best partisseries,
these have been my top three tips. Rest of Medovnik.
It's a check honey cake with thin layers of honey
and fused dough which are separated by either creamy caramel
or condensed milk filling. Really good. I'd give it the
contensed milk. Actually. Then there's the tree Nek, which is

(01:36:22):
a super sized cream puff overloaded with custard cream and
tops with the glossy caramel glaze. And then you need
to follow that with a slice of Bobblina. I love
that name that it's kind of like a trifle ish
sponge cake crammed with cherries. I'm sure there's some serious
alcohol in there as well, but veria resistant.

Speaker 3 (01:36:42):
Oh yeah, that sounds great. What about chimney cake.

Speaker 11 (01:36:46):
Oh my goodness, drag has elevated the tadoumic or chimney
cake onto the highest better storm. So I was just
so intrigued watching these being cocked in shops. So it's
like on a spit, these cylinder shaped wraps of dough,
and then they're cocked on a spurt until the exterior
is crispy Bennett stoust and sugar and cinnamon and nuts,

(01:37:09):
and the cylindrical pastry also serves as a very handy cone.
So of course you can mian top it with a
skipper two of ice creend coated with more nuts. Unbelievably
good to don it is with the triple loan to
prage Jack.

Speaker 3 (01:37:23):
That's so good. Ah, you got my stomach rumbling. Hey,
thank you, and travel safely. We're looking forward to hearing
about your trip, but obviously prioritize your well being ahead
of everything. As much as we're going to want to
hear about it, you know, make sure that safety comes first.
I know you will. Thank you, Mike. All of Mike's
tips will be up for enjoying the pleasures of Prague,
the multiple the myriad pleasures of Prague will be up

(01:37:46):
on the news talks. He'd be website of course, everything
from our show goes up there news talks. He'db dot
co dot nz Forward slash Jack now before midday, as
well as that new music from Ed Sheeran. We've got
our book recommendations for the weekend, including a new book
from Gilbert Inoka. He is that amazing guy who had
a really interesting career, but he was brought and to

(01:38:06):
help the All Blacks is their mental skills coach, and
it proved to give the team a real itch. He
went on to help teams all around the world in
all sorts of different sports. So anyways, just published a
book that we're going to tell you about very shortly,
just coming up to eleven thirty.

Speaker 2 (01:38:19):
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Speaker 3 (01:38:59):
You're a Jack tame. Thank you for your feedback and
we've had so many texts and emails this morning, all
them coming through the doo at my place are absolutely
smashing through the magnolia buds at the moment, absolutely smashing
through them, big fat birds gobbling away. Yeah, the magnolias
are absolutely crushing it at my house this morning. So
you're not the only ones there. It is amazing, just

(01:39:23):
how like it kind of lifts your you know, it
lifts your mood immediately when you see flowers blooming. So
before the day, we're gonna play that new music from
Edge here and we're going to catch up though with
our book reviewer Catherine Rains for her book picks of
this weekend now though, so she's got a couple of
different reads. We'll track her down and see if she's here, right,

(01:39:45):
Catherine Childer, Good morning, Good morning Jack. Your first pick
for us this weekend is The Vanishing Place by Zoe Rankin.

Speaker 13 (01:39:53):
So this takes place in the New Zealand bush and
this very brutal accident happens and the swiman is having
to confront the place she'd sworn it should never go
back to. And as a child who and her siblings
have believed that their parents had had an um in
the bush for very altruistic reasons, only realizing in hindsight
later in life that the truth was really a much

(01:40:14):
darker reality for them all. And in twenty years later,
ef He is living in Scotland and the Isle of
Sky when she learns that an almost incident that she
learns when she was young, when this bloodstained young girl
stumbles out of the bush into this remote town of Cohora,
and she doesn't speak, but her physical appearance mirror is
that of Fie, with her red hair and her green eyes,
and her story is almost the same. And so consequently

(01:40:37):
if he is drawn back into the school that she
wanted to forget, and the chap resultsnate between Ephie's past
and the current point of view, and it just adds
to the secret see and mysteries of the past, and
lots of questions are left unanswered to almost the very end.
And the author, Zoey Rankin, takes you on this journey
of a dark family history and a really intense story
that keeps you completely captivated and hooked.

Speaker 3 (01:40:58):
Fantastic. So is zoe a key We author.

Speaker 13 (01:41:01):
I present she is a Keywi author and this is
her debut novel, and I can't to read what she
writes next.

Speaker 3 (01:41:08):
Yeah, oh, so per that sounds great. Okay, so that's
the Vanishing Place by Zoe Rankin. You've also read another
book by another key We author, This has Become Unstoppable
by Gilbert Sinoca.

Speaker 13 (01:41:19):
So Gilbert I know it is very well known for
his success as an All Black's mental skills and leadership coach,
and his skills have been sought after by the English
cricket team, New South Wales state of origin and Premier
League club Chelsea, and the Crusaders and Black Pats, Crucies
and all sorts of people. And he shares the philosophies

(01:41:40):
that he's used for supporting success, and All Blacks coach
Steve Hansen credits him as the really secret ingredient that
helped them deliver to Rugby World Cup titles and trainations
and major sporting victories. But what Gilbertah knows of all
about is this connection and this belonging and a lot
of these qualities shaped him from his very early years

(01:42:02):
in a Martin's Children home and that experience, and that
experience really shaped what his future mental skills and leadership
approach would look like. And at twelve he ends up
back in Punston. All was his mum and life with
an alcoholic stepfather and challenging, and that's where he finds
vollerballers the kind of outlet and passion and it's really
in volleyball and that representative where he kind of they

(01:42:25):
adopted these concepts like leadership and journaling and feedback sessions
and ownership, things that didn't really exist in the late
seventies and early eighties. And I also taught at Hill
whist And High School. And that's actually where he meets
Wayne Smith, who was in All Blacks at the time,
and they start looking at this fresh and different mindsets

(01:42:45):
and Smith, once he's started coaching, and Anoka for those
kind of things, and you know, an Oka for his part,
is very proud and changing that all Blacks culture, you know,
and really instrumental and changing that. But the book has
all these really practical suggestions as well for all of
us about the techniques they used with the All Blacks

(01:43:06):
and whites, and speaks about his lessons and that real
edge that comes from connection and values and being valued
and that teen culture, and that's where the really interesting
lessons come for all of us in our every day lards.

Speaker 3 (01:43:17):
No, I can't wait to read that. He's just an
absolute legend day so that sounds superb. Bit of me.
That's Become Unstoppable by Gilbert Inoka, and Catherine's first book
the novel is The Vanishing Place by Zoe Rank, and
details of both of those books are going to be
up on the News Talks there'd be website. Have a
good week, Catherine.

Speaker 1 (01:43:34):
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Speaker 22 (01:43:52):
Won't surprise it, won't surprise it continues, it does and
it's landed today Shed twenty two on Wellington's waterfront, which
already I can tell you are started to fill up
with I have to say, mainly South African fans and
this was someone's last week actually at the Kingslander. You
know that the South African fans I think are out
nice and early. The all Blacks fans are taking their time,

(01:44:14):
but I'm sure they will arrive a bit later on,
but yeah, looking forward to soaking up the atmosphere of
Test match Saturday in the Capitol, big weekend, last weekend
obviously up in Auckland. I just wonder, I'm not sure
what you think about this, whether there's a lot less
pressure on Scott robertson now. I think if they'd lost
last week, I think tonight would be not necessarily career defining,
but it would have been a much bigger deal for

(01:44:36):
the All Blacks, I think than if they you know,
than from having won last week.

Speaker 3 (01:44:40):
If again, certainly yeah, yeah, I mean I think with
the recording park and Artie's one hundredth Test, yes, that
result was absolutely essential from Scott Robinson's perspective. Now, things
that it's very hard to pick how things are going
to change tonight. At the end of the game last week,
I was like, this is such a physical game. I
will be stunned if half of these players are here

(01:45:01):
at this time next week. And some big changes like
that South African back line, I mean, this is losing.
It's a bit of people like that, some big calls
from Razzie.

Speaker 22 (01:45:10):
Absolutely right. But the thing that's interesting is he stuck
with the five to three on the bench because the
six to two and even on occasion the seven to
one has worked really well for him. Last year in
South Africa, both test matches at joe Berg and Cape Town,
he went with the six to two split and those
forwards came on and kind of ran over the top
of the All Blacks on both occasions. I'm interested that
he hasn't done that this time, you know. I just

(01:45:32):
hope it's the weather's okay here Jack. By the way,
it's a bit breezy, but other than that it's okay.
I just would like to see a bit more expensive
rugby tonight, but I just don't think we are going
to see that. I think these two are so closely
matched and so physically adept that they're just going to
bash each other and it's.

Speaker 3 (01:45:49):
Going to be tight.

Speaker 22 (01:45:49):
And I get the feeling it'll be a.

Speaker 3 (01:45:51):
One score game. Again. Yeah, I tend to agree. I
think it'll be very tight, to say the least. How
do you feel about the Warriors. I feel good about
the Warriors, yes, I do. I really think they can
win the game, and it's probably self evident because it's
a knockout match and there are two teams and one
team will win in one, won't. I feel like the

(01:46:13):
Warriors on their day and you and I have spoken
about this, jack on their day, they can beat anybody
which is that day today, is that day today, and
look it. It'll feed them into the next round of
the finals if they do. And it's a long way
to get to the Grand Final from where they are.

Speaker 22 (01:46:26):
But all they can do is play what's in front
of them. Penrith are not the the you know, all
powerful force they have been the last four years. Still
a very good team obviously, and they know how to
get the job done at finals time. But I just
get the feeling home crowds, a couple of key players
coming back in Wade Egan and Jackson Ford, the fact
that it's a knockout game. I just think tonight may

(01:46:46):
well be that night where the Warriors do front up
and beat the Panthers and march on and earn themselves
another week.

Speaker 3 (01:46:53):
Yeah yeah, I really hope that's the case. Black Ferns Tonight,
of course, midnight.

Speaker 22 (01:46:57):
Can't wait, can't wait? Yeah, just I mean, what a
what a what a night of sport ahead? We've got
the Warriors and the and the All Blacks. Of course,
and then you know, we can watch a bit of
the World Track and Field Champs Chris Wood and Nottingham
Forest up against Arsenal from eleven thirty tonight and then
the Black Fern's at at midnight. So yeah, look, I
think sleep is overrated at times like this, jack rated.

Speaker 3 (01:47:19):
Yeah yeah, so yeah, we're ready.

Speaker 22 (01:47:21):
We're ready to push on from midday and push on
through to about two o'clock tomorrow morning.

Speaker 3 (01:47:25):
Very good. You enjoy this afternoon and this evening. Jason
Pie will have Weekend Sport right after the midday news
and he'll be part of the team calling the All
Blacks from the sideline. Later, Elliott Smith and Ross Bond
will be with them on Newstalk's EDB from seven o'clock
this evening. So I reckon, if you've got the Warriors
on the box, wait and see how they're going. Then
transfer across to the news Talk's EDB commentary team for

(01:47:46):
the big game this evening, and once the Warriors are done,
then maybe you can watch that as well. Thank you
pining right now sixteen to twelve, that new album from
each year and next on Newstalk's EDB.

Speaker 1 (01:47:56):
Giving you the inside scoop on the all you need
to know this Saturday Morning with Jack Team News Talks IV, Yes, Sir, no.

Speaker 5 (01:48:08):
Hat, just a little.

Speaker 6 (01:48:13):
I've done better, man, I ask you.

Speaker 5 (01:48:22):
Babe. His streaks, I can't call you, grease your body.
I used to live Just a little more.

Speaker 3 (01:48:36):
That is Ed Shearon the songs called a little More.
His brand new album is play that Clifford's been listening
Good morning, Oh Koder And.

Speaker 23 (01:48:47):
Isn't it just a little kind of exciting that Ed
Shearon is throwing shade?

Speaker 5 (01:48:52):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:48:53):
Yeah, it's not really his style, is it. He's usually
the Yeah.

Speaker 23 (01:48:56):
We don't hear him say I hate you. Yeah, I
just so for me, it's a little bit of a
standout track because you don't kind of expect those lyrics
from him. You don't and him to completely throw some
shade and say things like I wish you could look
in the mirror, because if you did, you'd see the
problem as you Yeah, but then as you can hear
through this one, just that super catchy upbeat gem. It's

(01:49:21):
got some cool high hat things. There's a full brass section,
pretty little blings, and then really great harmonies in the background,
and it kind of makes me think of like Amy Winehouse.
You know how she was really good at bringing that soulful,
cool kind of track, but actually it was pretty dark
and sound sort of shady, so that that's kind of
a yeah for me. That is a standout on this

(01:49:43):
play album. Don't worry, though, there's plenty of tracks on
here for people to still get married to. I mean,
if Ed Sharon didn't give us some new first dance tracks,
there would be something wrong. There's literally a song called
the vell Oh wow, okay, yeah, I mean he's just
making it real obvious that it's okay.

Speaker 3 (01:50:05):
You can still Yeah, yeah, it does. It works for Ed,
you know, it works for only three billion couples around
the world. That's fine.

Speaker 23 (01:50:12):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, totally a What I also love about
Ed like, never mind a five year plan in your
life of what you're gonna do, because he's already got
all the album names in this series lined up. But
he's also got like a sixty year hopefully sixty year
plan depending on when it is he pops his clogs.
But he's got an album that he wants to release
once he passes away, and it's in his will and
it's called Eject, So.

Speaker 3 (01:50:32):
Hang on, He's recorded an album.

Speaker 23 (01:50:35):
Yes, well, actually there's a whole lot of songs that
if his wife outlives him, she can approve the tracks
that go on the album called Eject, which makes me
think we're catapulting his ashes into the stratosphere. I don't know,
but I just I feel like he seen it in
an interview as a joke, but that's kind of become
where he's like, no, no, true, I do have a

(01:50:55):
posthumous album. But whenever it happens, ah.

Speaker 3 (01:51:00):
Interesting, it is interesting. I mean what because yeah, maybe
I mean maybe if he's you know, throwing a little
bit of shade in, maybe that's going to be like
each here and does death metal or each Hear and
does like, you know, really aggressively.

Speaker 23 (01:51:15):
Where everyone's like, way, I thought this.

Speaker 3 (01:51:17):
Guy was a nice guy. We got married to this
yeah exactly, Yeah, what has happened?

Speaker 23 (01:51:22):
I just think that's I think that's kind of it's
kind of quirky and funny, and may we be around
long enough to find out if it's actually going to
be well yeah, yeah, he's done another great co lab
as well with Fred again, so he's done a couple
with him before the songs called Don't Look Down It's
got some really interesting vocal work from it on it
that I quite like. He sort of pushes some real
boundaries with what he's doing. You'll have already heard that

(01:51:44):
he's doing, you know, some influence from Persian culture and
then Indian culture with some of the musical kind of
tracks and vocals that have been used, but in true
Fred Again style. On that song, there's like, you know,
burg loud synths and pounding kind of house beat to
make it head more of that dance floor kind of track.
It's an interesting album and that it does go through

(01:52:05):
some real real way and for me it's kind of
I don't like. I don't like the flow of some
of it, right, but you kind of go from like
this love track to then the dis and then house.
So I don't know. Maybe it's kind of good because
you have their standout singles and you don't have to
listen to the whole album.

Speaker 3 (01:52:22):
Okay, Yeah, there's lots of.

Speaker 23 (01:52:23):
People want to do their day. He's also spoken out
about how because they're moving to the States because he's
doing an extensive tour over there, so wants to take
the far no, which I fully respect because it is
not easy to be on the road minus your people,
so they're moving into the States. And then he has
talked about his love affair with Nashville and possibly touching
on some country music. Okay, yeah, I'm just going to

(01:52:44):
say out right, no, no, thank you. I don't want
you sharing to do a country.

Speaker 3 (01:52:48):
I feel like it's a I feel like you're doing
a country album, and I feel like it's a better
I mean, if Beyonce is doing country.

Speaker 23 (01:52:57):
Well okay, but here's the thing. He says, once you've
done country, you can't go back. And I'm like, has
anyone discussed it with Beyonce because I don't know if
it rings true for her, maybe it would ring for
someone like Ed Sharon. I'm like, I don't need everyone
to do a country album. I'm quite happy for him
to stay a pop star. So that's just my version. Look,
other people might want to take that somewhere else. But

(01:53:18):
there's a pop up pub if you happen to be
in Auckland's at the moment in the city in Commercial Bay.
It's called the Old Phone and they're like focusing on
real UK good pints for the guinness and and a
pie to celebrate that album. So you know, that real
typical thing where he just takes over the billboards. Will
all be the glittery, jelly pink imagery thing that he's

(01:53:41):
got going on with this album.

Speaker 3 (01:53:43):
Everything will be Ed Sharon.

Speaker 23 (01:53:46):
Yeah, absolutely, And of course that huge tour that he
will he's coming here to Enz. He's added an extra
show in Auckland, Wellington and christ Search as well, so
he's making the most of what he's got going on.
I really like that. There's some beautiful influences. I really
like that in the end, percussion, looped kind of stuff
he's got going on through it, think touching on some

(01:54:07):
different things that really meld quite well with his pop influence.

Speaker 3 (01:54:11):
Yeah right, it's.

Speaker 23 (01:54:11):
Quite It's quite fun some of that. And stupidly catchy
melody is like he's always that's his thing, I think,
isn't it. That's what makes it sound like Ed Sharon. Yeah,
like a catchy melody.

Speaker 3 (01:54:20):
And he has Yeah, he has had a little bit
of success over the years running a catch from time
to time. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 23 (01:54:27):
And he's still got that like disheveled, approachable kind of
guy thing about him, yes, you know, and now he's
influencing other artists and you kind of go, oh, that's right.
He's been around for, like I guess commercially about fourteen
fifteen years, so that you know that says a lot
for what he's doing.

Speaker 3 (01:54:43):
He's a big dog. Yeah, So what did you give it?

Speaker 23 (01:54:46):
Okay? An eight out of ten, eight out of.

Speaker 3 (01:54:47):
Teen for play. I'm looking forward to having a bit
of a listener. Okay, well, well we'll pick out one
of those tracks and play in a few minutes. Thank
you so much. Estelle eight out of ten for play
by Ed sheeron his latest album, Not to be confused
with this posthumous one that I thought was a joke.
Apparently not, Like I say, we'll play you a bit
more in a couple of minutes. It's seven to twelve.

Speaker 1 (01:55:06):
It's cracking way to start your Saturday Saturday morning with
Jack Team news talks have been right.

Speaker 3 (01:55:13):
Oh we gotta go because Jason Pine and the Weekend
Sport team are standing by counting down to kickoff in
the Capitol this evening in the all black spring box.
Of course news Talks. He'd be will have live coverage
with Jason Elliott Smith and the team from seven o'clock
this evening. The Warriors are on at six Go the
Wars the Black Phones are on at midnight. My gosh,
it is gonna be a big week big weekend at Sport.

(01:55:36):
Everything from our show is up at News Talks, headb Dot,
co dot Indeed Ford Slash Jack thanks to my producer Libby.
This is Ed Sheer and his new album as Play.
The song is Sapphire. See you next weekend, Come and.

Speaker 20 (01:55:52):
Look at You, Hunger Out to Buckets and then the
Computer the

Speaker 1 (01:56:12):
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